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From Buzzfeed News:

Fox News Hosts Were Against A Ground War With Iran. Trump Listened.
Trump, a source said, has been watching the network’s analysis with interest.

Rosie Gray
BuzzFeed News Reporter
Last updated on January 8, 2020, at 10:03 p.m. ET

Perhaps a camera crew should accompany Carlson everywhere in case he is, say, fly-fishing in the middle of a river in Maine when the next foreign policy crisis breaks out.

 
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  1. Altai says:

    When did Tucker Carlson and Fox News do a better job stopping massive wars in the Middle East than the prestige cosmopolitan media?

    I’m not sure, but this seems to be a key line of evidence.

    Not sure what it means but my instinct tells me not to take anyone with ‘Washington Post’ in their CV seriously.

  2. You can always contact the guy with the nuclear football standing next to him, so nothing to worry about.

    • LOL: Cortes
  3. There are some people who want Tucker to be president. I wouldn’t be opposed but honestly, I think he has more power on his show than he ever would as a politician. Tucker himself has said Trump’s role isn’t so much as an effective politician but as someone who is willing to point out and question things that have been ignored by the elites. Tucker does this without even being in office. It’s become apparent to me that changing things through the political system is currently futile. The public just needs to be made fully aware of what our current system is and things will move on from there.

  4. JohnnyD says:

    When Tucker’s not flying-fishing or saving the world from WW III, he’s reviewing pizzas :

    He’s the hero we don’t deserve.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Kibernetika
  5. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Or what if Tucker is canceled, by, say, Rosie Gray?

    • Replies: @bomag
  6. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m against a ground war too, but was hoping for some more, like Tehran getting rocked or something. Shock and Awe was pretty cool. We watched it live in class during high school. Cameras are much better today, and everybody has smartphones now, so there’d be a lot more and better footage if Iran got rocked.

  7. nebulafox says:

    Host, as in plural. I’m convinced that Sean Hannity would love a war with Iran.

    Since it is well know that Trump gets his news from “the shows”, in his own words, he who controls The Donald’s TV controls the actions of a nuclear superpower.

    Let’s just hope the repairman likes Carlson more than FOX and Friends.

  8. nebulafox says:

    Host, as in plural. Sean Hannity would love a war with Iran.

    Since it is well know that Trump gets his news from “the shows”, in his own words, he who controls The Donald’s TV controls the actions of a nuclear superpower.

    Let’s just hope the repairman likes Carlson more than FOX and Friends.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @Corvinus
  9. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosiegray/it-costs-400-to-get-callista-gingrichs-hair-but

    That’s it, honey, tell us about the hair. And never let anyone tell you you’re not a real reporter.

  10. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump is what Trump is. And what Trump is …is a world class promotion man.

    Promotion guys, sales guys …they are what they are. When they’re not working they’re either eating/drinking/smoking (junk food/hard liquor), or they’re watching TV, playing golf, whoring.

    What they don’t do is anything remotely scholarly or intellectual. Studying is for dweebs unless you mean studying sales techniques, golf techniques or whoring techniques.

    Trump’s dream career was running his casino in Atlantic City. Think about it.

    Not saying he’s a bad guy. Just saying it is what it is.

  11. Thomm says:

    Meh…he will still be on Twitter.

  12. Powerful testament to the impact of one lone voice with moral courage (who’s done his homework).

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  13. If you believed everything anonymous sources close to POTUS reportedly report, you’d believe a great many contradictory things. As the MSM does.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  14. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Perhaps a camera crew should accompany Carlson everywhere

    Could get some top notch vid of Antifa that way.

  15. Lot says:

    Best article on the plane that went down. Multiple experts expect it wasn’t “mechanical failure.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukrainian-passenger-plane-with-180-crashes-in-iran/2020/01/07/7e214eb4-31cc-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html

    Just a few hours after Iran fired its missiles and was on high air defense alert. From Reuters:

    “The plane that crashed was a three-year-old Boeing 737-800NG. Its last scheduled maintenance was on Jan. 6, Ukraine International Airlines said.”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    , @Mr McKenna
  16. neutral says:

    Tucker should be president instead of Trump.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, 22pp22, JimDandy
    • Disagree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @James Braxton
  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Senator Brundlefly

    Tucker has power because Trump is President. If Hillary were President, she wouldn’t be watching Tucker or caring what he thinks.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Ano
  18. wren says:

    Hope he keeps watching.

  19. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Paradoxically, Trump’s restraint this time gives him more leeway to shock & awe Iran if there’s a next time. And I wouldn’t rule out there being a next time. I mean, it wouldn’t make much sense from Iran’s perspective, but maybe it will make sense from some particular Iranians’ perspectives.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
  20. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Lot

    Even if you’re unable to identify the aircraft for some reason, why would you shoot at an aircraft taking off from your country?

  21. Fredrik says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    There’s been friendly fire accidents before and will happen again.

    Possibly the Iranians were nervous about USraeli attacks.

    I do know some people have pointed out that if it indeed was the Iranians then they would have expected the Iranian censors to stop certain pictures from being published. On the other hand any explanation that involves foreign nations seem far fetched.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Gyre07
  22. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    You’d think so.

    Beings up another possibility: deranged Iranian nut put a bomb on the plane, or it was anti-regime terrorism funded by the Saudis.

    The regime has murdered and tortured a lot of people, creating a lot of vendettas.

    Amnesty International documented 209 protesters killed by the regime late last year, other estimates go to 1,500.

    Another possibility is the goal was to just kill one particular person on the plane.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  23. Ano says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    If Hillary were President she would CENSORED Tucker Carlson CENSORED joining Vince CENSORED, CENSORED, CENSORED……………….CENSORED, and, last but not least, Seth CENSORED.

  24. @RichardTaylor

    Tucker’s hardly put a foot wrong in the past few years, which is as long as I’ve been paying attention to him. He’s become indispensable.

    Perhaps a camera crew should accompany Carlson everywhere in case he is, say, fly-fishing in the middle of a river in Maine when the next foreign policy crisis breaks out.

    Fortunately with ‘devices’ now we no longer need a camera crew. But we need Trump to pay attention to the right people which is difficult because 1) his attention wanders and 2) there aren’t very many ‘right people’ anymore. They keep getting ‘canceled’..

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Hail
  25. @Lot

    Why were there 63+ Canadians on a Ukrainian plane departing Teheran? Canada doesn’t even maintain diplomatic relations with Iran, which I suppose goes to show they’re not quite mavericks they like to think they are.

    Or is it that they weren’t Canadians, but “Canadians”??

    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/08/794634893/canada-shocked-and-saddened-after-jet-crash-kills-63-canadians

  26. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Some Israeli*

    • Agree: HammerJack
  27. @Mr McKenna

    Tucker’s hardly put a foot wrong in the past few years, which is as long as I’ve been paying attention to him. He’s become indispensable.

    He’s been great for years. Back a long time ago when he wore a bowtie, he was more mainstream GOP. He’s had a lot of advantages in life, yet shows authentic concern for actual working Americans, which I appreciate.

    Fortunately with ‘devices’ now we no longer need a camera crew.

    Indeed. I see lone YouTubers with production values that rival network news.

  28. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    I think the Iranians made clear their progress in missile technology ensured that all the US bases in the region would also receive shock and awe. Looks like there is negotiations behind the scene and all this nonsense since the withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal will be sorted.

  29. @Mr McKenna

    They were probably “Canadian” but a different group of “Canadian” than the ones who drive trucks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  30. Trump isn’t the first president to include television in his decision making. Lyndon Johnson famously is quoted as saying to his staff, “If we’ve lost Cronkite we’ve lost middle America.”

    Walter Cronkite had just given an editorial on CBS News after the Tet Offensive in Vietnam. The broadcast was a major negative blow to American confidence in the war’s outcome and the president’s ability to fight it. Johnson soon decided he’d lost the country and did not run for another term.

    • Agree: bomag
  31. Altai says:
    @Altai

    Oh, even better.

    This is posted by Katy Tur whose bio states:
    MSNBC anchor @2pm, NBC News correspondent, author of NYT best seller Unbelievable, currently treading in the primal soup of US politics.

    Why do they all act like teenage girls on their professional twitter and expect to be treated with respect?

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Altai
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
  32. Perhaps a camera crew should accompany Carlson everywhere in case he is, say, fly-fishing in the middle of a river in Maine when the next foreign policy crisis breaks out.

  33. bomag says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Or is it that they weren’t Canadians, but “Canadians”??

    Bingo. Looks like they were all a sort recognized by Canada as dual citizens.

    From what I know, the Iranian diaspora maintains strong ties with the home country, and frequently visits.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Altai
    , @TDEB
  34. FvS says:

    Well done Tucker. It’s just too bad he’s a cringe civnat, but I suppose that’s the role he has to play to stay on the air. Also, I want to point out that the two writers of the Buzzfeed article are Jews because it’s funny to me.

  35. Altai says:
    @Altai

    I was wrong, these are the best ones. And I thought Twitter was the worst enemy of the journalist’s authority, TikTok takes it to new levels.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  36. SFG says:
    @Altai

    Because young women are in charge now, with effects deleteriously documented here and elsewhere?

    I’d argue it’s part of a larger trend toward informality and being ‘antiestablishment’ since the 1960s.

    • Replies: @Altai
  37. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Rosie Gray, BuzzFeed News Reporter

    Yeah, sure, she is a real gumshoe meeting sources in clandestine parking garages.

  38. Altai says:
    @SFG

    They’re not anti-establishment though, they cling to it. They adore ‘experts’, credentials, titles. They’ve never had a controversial opinion in their life, that’s why they’re there. They see the establishment as their protector. These are just status-seeking ladder climbers. They would never have been hippies, they’re hyper-conscientious.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  39. Altai says:
    @bomag

    What I found more interesting is how there was no reaction in Canada. Nobody there cared because they knew they were paper Canadians. But I would have thought the media would have gone crazy about it out of ideological obligation.

    • Replies: @TDEB
    , @Anonymous
  40. @nebulafox

    I heard Hannity interviewing Lindsay Graham yesterday. Hannity lectured Graham in no uncertain terms that people are sick of our troops being mired in the middle east. He definitely does not advocate for an invasion.

    Hannity has mostly shed his Bush era hawkishness.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @bjondo
  41. It is extraordinary how often people comment on the political influence of monkeys like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, while ignoring the underlying influence of the organ grinder Rupert Murdoch, who has undermined several governments, for example Tony Blair’s UK government, where Murdoch’s glove puppet Blair eventually fell out of favor in the UK due to his Murdochian support for Bush’s Iraq war and the weapons of mass deception.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/chilcot-inquiry-report-iraq-war-rupert-murdoch-connection-a7125786.html

    Probably, if you get to the bottom of it, you will find that a ground war Punch-and-Judy show with Iran does not suit Murdoch’s purposes and that is the reason why the Trump puppet was instructed by the voices in the supervision telling box to chill.

    Hopefully, Trump can be diverted by someone now whispering in his ear that innocent Americans have been killed in Mexico, and even in the Dominican Republic. On second thoughts, maybe not, as a second Mexican-American war, or an invasion of the DR might not play well with Gallup.

  42. @neutral

    Don’t forget, Tucker championed the invasion of Iraq for no good reason.

    His instincts are not always sound.

  43. @Anonymous

    Anonymous[419] wrote:

    I’m against a ground war too, but was hoping for some more, like Tehran getting rocked or something.

    I assume/hope you are making a joke, especially with the video.

    Anonymous[419] also wrote:

    Shock and Awe was pretty cool. We watched it live in class during high school.

    The scary thing is it’s true, isn’t it, even for those of us mature enough to know what war actually means?

    I just finished doing the dishes — marginally less boring than watching paint dry.

    Now, if there had been bombs blowing up all over the boob tube, yeah, that would have been exciting.

    Thoreau said, “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.” I wonder if that simple fact accounts for most of the evil in the world — Satan seems more exciting than God. (The latter intended as a metaphor, not a theological statement: but, perhaps religious believers around here might interpret that attitude on the part of so many human beings as the greatest heresy of all.)

    • Agree: Lot
  44. Jake says:

    If Tucker Carlson were the President’s secret advisor and untouchable by Neocons and Jewish money, the country would be 10 or 12 times better off.

    But a most central part of history that is not taught is that Jewish money has been central to all WASP political activity, and anti-Christendom cultural activity, since Oliver Cromwell, Mr. Archetypal WASP himseld.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. @Mr McKenna

    A lot of Ukrainian-origin Canadians, actually (about 1M).
    why Iran I dunno.

    • Replies: @Hail
  46. Barnard says:

    Bill O’Reilly used to call into his show if a major political event happened while he was on vacation. Tucker can do the same thing or they can setup a small studio for him in Bar Harbor in case of emergency.

  47. Altai says:
    @Altai

    Holy moly. Katy Tur’s father.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur

    Born to a Jewish family.

    In 1991, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) revoked Tur’s pilot’s license for “reckless flying”.

    In August 2006, Tur was cited by Israeli medics for saving the life of an IDF soldier during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.

    In June 2013, Tur publicly came out as transgender, and in 2014 revealed that she was undergoing hormone replacement therapy. In August 2014, following gender reassignment surgery, she applied to a court to change her name and gender marker from male to female. Reflecting on her transition in a 2017 interview, Tur stated, “What I have is not political. It’s a medical condition that was treated. I’m cured. I’m done. It’s not a mental illness. There are differences in the brain.”

    In a Facebook post written in 2017, Tur revealed that her transition had caused a rift with her daughter Katy, who was “terrified” to meet her post-transition and who Zoey Tur believes does not support the LGBT community. (About the rift in their relationship, Katy has commented, “We were not on speaking terms for a little while, but that’s not because of the transition.”)

    Bro even threw his SJW daughter under the bus publicly. Turns out he was the one who grabbed Ben Shapiro behind the neck and threatened to beat him during a debate.

    Katy Tur is even funnier, daughter of two journalists, when she was 23 she entered a 3 year long relationship with a then 47 year old Keith Olbermann. She seems to have stopped dating him in 2009 when she got a good position at NBC…

  48. Anon7 says:

    There’s no reason to believe that President Trump ever had any interest whatsoever in pursuing a ground war, or in pursuing regime change in Iran. Everything Mr. Trump has done so far in office suggests that he was sincere when he criticized the Republican leadership right to their faces that the Bush wars were a bad mistake.

    As long as we’re all guessing based on insufficient evidence, I’m guessing that there is a substantial segment of Iran’s society that is frustrated and unhappy about life under endless international sanctions.

    I’m guessing that these people were very unhappy with this general, who had lots of contacts and lots of experience in conducting an endless useless terrorist war using proxies against the US and Israel. I’m guessing that these people thought that Iran’s internal political situation would be improved without this guy, but there was no way to get rid of him, owing to his popularity and longevity.

    But there was a way to get rid of him. I’m guessing they made contact with the US or with Israel, and gave out enough information to get him killed.

    I’m guessing that the not really serious missile response, the Iranian equivalent of throwing shoes, satisfied honor without antagonizing the US.

    Now, negotiations can actually proceed, to get Iran back on track as a 21st century country.

    Or so I’m guessing.

  49. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The scary thing is it’s true, isn’t it, even for those of us mature enough to know what war actually means?

    I have a book to recommend. The Kindle edition is free on Amazon.

    The Story of a Common Soldier of Army Life in the Civil War, 1861-1865 by Leander Stillwell.

    Amazing and engrossing book.

    • Thanks: Coemgen, res, JMcG
  50. bomag says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Thanks for the link.

    And she’s quite proud of her cancelling efforts. In Rosie Gray’s world, journalism exists to do hit pieces on your political opponents.

    I like the little riff at the end, where she indicates that anyone not on board with leftist politics needs to be reprogrammed. Nice.

    I get a vibe from the piece that Rosie Gray lives in fear of a day when charges of “sexism”, “racism”, “intolerance”, etc. lose their sting, and she will have to get a real job.

  51. Realist says:
    @Senator Brundlefly

    It’s become apparent to me that changing things through the political system is currently futile.

    Correct. America’s problems will not be solved through the electoral process…not matter who is President.

    • Agree: Thea
  52. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    What I would give to have a voice like Colonel Douglas Macgregor!

    I’d even settle for a voice like John Facenda, “The Voice of God”:

    https://youtu.be/yyI8eixUvXg

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  53. Nodwink says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    this is a possible explanation

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Jack D
  54. Realist says:
    @Altai

    She seems to have stopped dating him in 2009 when she got a good position at NBC…

    Love the double entendre…intended or no.

  55. GodHelpUs says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Lucifer literally means “the bearer of light.” Man’s embrace of evil comes from the apotheosis of the intellect. Sacrificing the future for the present, choosing fun now over satisfaction later, is not evil. It is how all animals behave.

    Evil is a human phenomenon that rests on the supposition that we can do better if we reject God and worship instead the part of the Divine that is inside of us, ie, the intellect. The archetype of the evil genius is a reflection of this attitude.

    To be more specific, enjoying the thrill of watching cruise missiles explode is not evil, but rather an expression of our animal instincts. But to devise and then set in motion a plan to remake the geopolitical boundaries of the Middle East using lies and subterfuge, this is true evil.

  56. @Altai

    Fun fact about Katy Tur: her trans father was on Anthony Cumia’s network a couple of years ago, can’t recall if it was with Gavin McInnes or Cumia, but he said that his daughter Katy has not spoken to him since he had his sex reassignment surgery, clearly implying that she did not approve. Disappointing for such an otherwise woke and privileged jewish girl from LA.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  57. TDEB says:
    @bomag

    Try the front page of the National Post newspaper, print edition,Jan 09, 2020.

    • Replies: @bomag
  58. TDEB says:
    @Altai

    Front page,National Post, Jan. 09. 2020.

  59. @Anonymous

    I think he’s a good executive, if more egotistical and boorish than most. Successful executives aren’t grinds. If they were good grinds, they wouldn’t be successful executives.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Polynikes
  60. Coemgen says:
    @Anonymous

    Run-of-the-mill self promoters don’t spend Nearly $100,000 On An Ad Criticizing U.S. Foreign Policy In 1987.

    I clearly remembered being “floored” when I saw this ad back in ’87 (probably in the Boston Globe). I thought, at the time, he must have spent all his earnings from “The Art of the Deal” on the ad.

    Anyhow, the ad is strong evidence that DT has been “thinking big” for over thirty years.

    • Agree: Lot
  61. @Anonymous

    Like watching Luke and The Rebellion blow away the Death Star, right?

  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Tucker’s hardly put a foot wrong in the past few years, which is as long as I’ve been paying attention to him. He’s become indispensable.

    He could be a better interviewer. Often times I’ve seen him whiff obvious follow-up questions, especially with the (essentially) hostile interviewees. It’s not particularly his failing alone. No American journalist seems capable of asking follow-up questions. That said, I agree, he’s far better than anyone else on TV. Certainly far better than that yammering nincompoop, Hannity.

    Hannity is such an obvious huckster, opening every show with his “FOX News Alert” which turns out to be the same cud the media has been chewing for the last two days. When Carlson signs off to hand the air over to Hannity he usually closes with his promise that his show will be “The sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink”, and when Hannity appears I think: “And now, ……………..lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink.”

    • Agree: Charon
  63. conatus says:

    Tucker is interesting to watch, he keeps it fast paced, gets Congressman and Senators on the program. They get their three  minutes and POOF! they are gone. On to another topic.
    Tucker will go off the Gopper reservation(unlike Hannity) and actually question America’s Great and good Capitalist Economic system and ask questions  whether ‘trickle down’ is myth Reagan thought up doodling on a napkin?
    Should our Middle Class exist to benefit the American financialized Economic system or should the Economic system exist to benefit the Middle Class?
    Is Immigration good for the American Middle class or does it lower wages(law of supply and demand) to the point where the Middle Class is 400 bucks away from bankruptcy which it is not allowed to declare due to certain constrictions put in by the Bankruptcy Abuse prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005(BAPCPA)…..”
    “and Consumer Protection” means The Congress really, really, really cares!!!

  64. @Buzz Mohawk

    Notice that Johnson used the word “America” rather than that cringe-inducing phrase “ordinary Americans”, a phrase which I think was first used by Dick Nixon though I could be wrong. In any event, it would be a short ride from “ordinary Americans” to “deplorables.”

  65. I am not a fan of FOX. But, it appears Tucker Carlson is at least sane.

    In the old days, the GOP would pay attention to the New York Times. They would especially pay attention to Judith Miller.

    Here are some of the NYT’s greatest hits:

    The NYT encouraged the GOP to go after Clinton for Whitewater and various other conspiracy theories, which climaxed in the impeachment and acquittal for oral sex in the White House, which damaged the GOP.

    Judith Miller spread all sorts of lies for the neo-cons about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. She was a major force in getting the US into the Iraq war.

    Judith Miller helped spread the name of CIA operatives, especially Valarie Plame. She spent time in jail for her role.

    While there are plenty of FOX “journalists” who I would be happy if no politician ever listened to, I must admit that Tucker Carlson is vastly superior to Judith Miller. Oh, and Judith Miller was hired by FOX for a while.

    https://observer.com/2015/04/judith-miller-carried-water-for-the-usas-worst-debacle-since-vietnam/

  66. c matt says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Satan seems more exciting than God.

    Yes, but the key is “seems”. There is also what is called the banality of evil.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  67. guest says:

    Always with the “ground war” ploy. How about no war of any kind ?

    Wait, is it legally possible for the U.S. not to be at war everywhere at all times?

  68. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Paradoxically, Trump’s restraint this time gives him more leeway to shock & awe Iran if there’s a next time.

    ‘Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.’ – Sun Tzu

  69. MikeCLT says:

    Trump does not want war with Iran. He knows he would lose the election and that these wars are bad for the US. He will never invade Iran. However, he just upped the deterrence factor by 100.

    Consider his dealings with Iran. He did not retaliate when Iran shot down our drone, attacked ships in Hormuz or struck the Saudi oil fields. It was only after Iranian proxies killed an American and attacked our embassy that he struck back. And he struck back hard putting Iran’s leaders on notice that he will hold them responsible for any Americans killed on their orders.

    Iran knows that if they retaliate Trump will have the US bomb the sh** out of them. We will destroy their refineries and oil assets and try to kill their leaders. There will be no ground troops. He will likely seek to avoid and minimize civilian casualties. That is why their response was more a symbolic attack than an attempt to hurt the US. There is a chance for peace now that Soleimani is dead. Trump offered negotiations.

    Taking out Soleimani was a justified killing under the laws of war. Soleimani was a general, engaged in terrorism against US personnel and assets, and he was in Iraq, a place of ongoing US military operations, at the time of the fortunate events in question. He was a legitimate military target.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  70. @James Braxton

    In his book, TC says he regrets his support of the Iraq war. Me too.

  71. istevefan says:

    A couple observations. First, I know the media types would like to get Tucker off the air. In fact the boycott they led caused me to dump Ameritrade last December as my online broker because they joined in that boycott of Tucker. So might the media be trying to get Trump to turn on Tucker by making it look like Tucker is really the guy calling the shots?

    They appear to do this to guys they want out because they think Trump has a thin skin and will get upset if someone else tries to take the limelight. So they resort to names like “President Bannon” or “President Rush”, etc. I am not saying it will work, but I think they might be trying to drive a wedge between Tucker and Trump especially given that the source is buzzfeed.

    Second, I am hearing more hawks saying that we don’t need to invade Iran. We can accomplish our goals without sending in the ground troops. If so, then wouldn’t this then be an admission that the nearly two decades long invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq were a colossal mistake? If it is not necessary to invade, occupy, regime-change and nation-build Iran, then why was it so for Afghanistan and Iraq?

  72. @Buzz Mohawk

    Trump isn’t the first president to include television in his decision making. Lyndon Johnson famously is quoted as saying to his staff, “If we’ve lost Cronkite we’ve lost middle America.”

    The story is in all likelihood untrue though.
    https://www.ucpress.edu/blog/4249/w-joseph-campbell-recalling-the-mythical-cronkite-moment/

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  73. @nebulafox

    The transition from Tucker to Mad Bomber Hannity at 9pm could not be more stark. When Russiagate and Impeachment-gate were the dominant subjects Hannity would often tell Tucker “good show, as always.” Shawn does not appear to be on such friendly terms now. I love Michael Savages’ most fitting name for him – “Wallbanger.”

    BTW, Tucker had Tulsi Gabbard on again last night. If only Tucker’s listeners were allowed to vote, Tulsi would be our next president.

  74. istevefan says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Seeing those 3 TVs and realizing that TV news was monopolized by three networks back then, I wonder how much fake news was being pumped down American’s throats. With what we found out after Dan Rather’s forged memos, the UVa rape case, etc., etc, how much of what was being reported back then was deliberately misleading? There was no internet at that time to keep tabs on the media.

    • Agree: Liza, Dtbb
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Charon
    , @Harry Baldwin
  75. Hail says: • Website

    Trump, a source said, has been watching the network’s analysis with interest

    I expected he would be, especially after doing something so reckless as the mafia hit on the Iranian general.

    As Trump’s chances of watching at least Tucker and Hannity were up near 100% in this case, I made sure to watch both on the night of Iran’s (symbolic) missile strike. I noted immediate thoughts in a comment at the time:

    Tucker Carlson ran a packed show which was dominated totally by the Iran problem, prompted by the insane order to assassinate a foreign leader in peace time.

    I estimate the overall Tucker Carlson show for Jan. 7 was 50-60% anti-intervention, 30% neutral, <10% pro-intervention, <10% unrelated content, with a noticeable lack of commercials. (It’s as if they were desperate to get a message to Trump to stop the madness and so called off commercials today to maximize both the anti-war voices they could get on and total airtime.)

    [MORE]

    The odds of Trump watching some/all of either/both Tucker and Hannity seems pretty high, so I figure it is worth paying attention.

    Tucker himself was clearly leaning towards anti-intervention, but he skillfully did it without saying a word against Trump and the blundering stupidity of ordering a foreign-leader assassinated in peacetime. Tucker also repeatedly said it is not a D vs. R thing (in the next hour, Hannity came nowhere near such nuance).

    As for the cavalcade of Tucker’s guests, one and only one mentioned the word ‘Israel;’ he did so repeatedly, but only in saying “Israel and Saudi Arabia should take care of this; we shouldn’t be involved.”

    Tucker ran a pre-taped segment on the homeless/crazy problem in San Francisco, but I think thet cut it short to get in yet one more anti-interventionist guest before the hand-off to Hannity. The custom is for the hosts to greet each other and banter, even if just a few seconds. Hannity, this time, noticeably did not. He said not a word to Tucker, did not acknowledge him; he dove in with clenched teeth, immediately pounding the war drums.

    I’d estimate Hannity’s show ran about 0% anti-intervention, 20% neutral (Ted Cruz seemed to lean this way), 80% pro-intervention.

    A follow-up was that by the next morning (Jan. 8), Fox News had reposted a dozen or so new clips of its programming to Youtube, but none of Tucker Carlson Tonight‘s anti-war, anti-intervention, anti-escalation segments (some of which were very powerful).

    This even though Fox News’s Youtube usually does particularly well with Tucker segments in terms of racking up high view-counts; the only Tucker segment they reposted was part of what I categorized his ‘neutral’ content and got few views.

    According to a commenter in Philip Giraldi’s column active on that day, Fox also did NOT re-broadcast Tucker’s show at 9pm Pacific time as they otherwise always do.

  76. bomag says:
    @Fredrik

    Agree here.

    F’ups involving guns and ammo are deep and wide; especially in places where political position matters more than technical expertise.

  77. BB753 says:
    @PhysicistDave

    On the contrary, formerly (before the disastrous Council Vatican II), the Catholic Church upheld the concept of “just wars” (jus bellum justum) as part of Natural Law. So was the death penalty.
    The peace-loving, new-agey everything – goes modern Catholic Church is a recent departure from doctrine.

  78. @Anonymous

    When Bomb Iran Bolton was finally fired, Macgregor was rumored to be a finalist for the job. If only Tucker had the clout to have made that happen.

  79. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    He’s become indispensable.

    I agree that Tucker is great. As such, I hate to say this, but it deserves a mention:

    In the entire, all-hands-on-deck, stop-the-madness, emergency-bat-signal-to-Tweetman Jan. 7 show, which ran almost sans commercial-breaks (leading me to believe Tucker lobbied to go no-commercial), the word ‘Israel’ almost did not come up. Certainly not in the low-hanging fruit criticism that obviously presents itself.

    If it were any other country…

    I believe only one (anti-interventionist) guest made a point to mention Israel, always pairing it with Saudi Arabia, as the two who (he said) could “take care of Iran” alone; no need for direct, US-led Endless War.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  80. @Altai

    Absolutely pitiful vertical on the jumps in the first clip.

    Folks like that aren’t going to do well during the spicy times to come.

  81. Hail says: • Website
    @Discordiax

    why Iran I dunno

    What kind of flight routing is Canada–>Tehran–>Kiev? Seems strange.

    If they release the passenger list sorted by citizenship, I wonder how many of the Canadians will have Ukrainian names.

  82. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    When I was religious, I would have interpreted that as a confirmation more than heresy.

  83. @Altai

    Katy Tur is even funnier, daughter of two journalists, when she was 23 she entered a 3 year long relationship with a then 47 year old Keith Olbermann. She seems to have stopped dating him in 2009 when she got a good position at NBC…

    B-b-b-b-b-but the media told me that stronk, independent, womyn would NEVER want or need to trade favors…for…favors…

  84. J.Ross says:
    @Altai

    Do you have an example of the prestige media stopping a war?

  85. J.Ross says:
    @istevefan

    There used to be pre-internet media-watching, but it was sort of analogous to conspiracy theory, and the workload capped its popularity. There’s an old textbook, Unreliable Sources, which is not as relevant as it was but which probably still makes a good starting point, which mentions an old journalist who was serious about truthful reporting. He retained shoeboxes and filing cabinets full of physical paper clippings. Thank god for the internet. There was also a black lady in Philadelphia in the 80s who taped local news and programming continuously for years, and whose collection is being uploaded to the Internet Archive.

  86. Tucker isn’t a vet. Poso, Cerno, and Jesse Kelly are. They all told him immediately in blunt terms he was toast if there was war.

    They each have more followers than CNN has viewers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. @PhysicistDave

    That isn’t heresy, it’s Milton.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  88. @Ano

    I’m afraid that the next Democrat president and congress will usher in hate speech laws that will take sites like this off the internet. Also, everyone on the internet will have to use their actual name.

  89. Hail says: • Website
    @James Braxton

    Tucker championed the invasion of Iraq

    Two relatively prominent 2000s-era figures who dramatically shifted roughly in the same direction, by the mid-late 2010s, are Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter; both are today heroic, inside-the-system dissident nationalists (their insider status and pre-existing fame and ties to power mean they cannot so easily be ‘Richwined,’ or disappear into oblivion as happened with a smallish-fry like Rick Sanchez back in the early 2010s).

    As I wrote elsewhere yestefday, to someone who had written “Hannity is a warmonger and a rabid zionist,”

    I haven’t followed his career closely, but I think 2000s-era Tucker was also classifiable as a passive Zionist (i.e., the default position for a Washington insider, which Carlson has been his whole life). By the mid or late 2010s, he was clearly (IMO) an anti-Zionist, even if hamstrung on what he can say on (or off) the air.

    I think Tucker had a political epiphany at some point between the late-2000s and mid-2010s, but I don’t know enough to pin it down any further.

    When was Tucker’s epiphany? What caused it? I would love to know.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Barnard
    , @Lot
    , @anonguy
  90. @Anonymous

    “Shock and Awe was pretty cool.”

    Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are kool katz.

  91. Dan Hayes says:
    @Hail

    Just wondering if Tucker’s political epiphany had anything due to his disillusionment with the official Episcopal Church of which he is a still reluctant practicing member.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  92. @nebulafox

    Attention is focused on the growing authoritarian element within the Democratic Party; not good news for my ancient liberal friends. Meanwhile, Tucker and some Republican members of the House are attempting to take the GOP into a more populist direction. The conservatives will acquire vitality and the no longer liberal left will continue its plunge into darkness. Conservative populists should try to wean themselves off of Fox News. It’s still a Murdoch Joint. Sean Hannity is the bartender who won’t shut his pie-hole.

  93. Lurker says:
    @Mr McKenna

    There were also three *ahem* British victims. Mohammed Reza Kadkhoda Zadeh, Sam Zokaei and Saeed Tahmasebi.

    At least the BBC has the decency to refer to them as British ‘nationals’.

  94. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    He’s a vet of the meme wars …

    Not sure who any of those other goons are.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  95. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Ive never been to Canadia ?

  96. @Hail

    “I wonder how many of the Canadians will have Ukrainian names.”

    I wonder how many of these Ukrainians had connections to the McCain Institute, the Clinton Foundation, or the Open Society network.

    • Replies: @Charon
  97. Gyre07 says:
    @Fredrik

    That’s not the obvious, or most direct conclusion to reach. But opinionated Americans proposing logic knots to justify the actions of ‘their team’ seems to have become a major side-line in a country where partisan supposition and speculation have become indistinguishable from probable or actual proven facts.

  98. @Dan Hayes

    Just wondering if Tucker’s political epiphany had anything due to his disillusionment with the official Episcopal Church of which he is a still reluctant practicing member.

    Absolutely. Iraq decimated the leadership class of mainline Protestant churches. We either left, went (further) Left, or grudgingly stayed but lost crucial respect for our erstwhile pastors who went full-on progtard or stayed silent. Many lifelong R lay leaders went D over “that damn Cheney’s war”.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  99. Check date and time:

    See also:

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  100. J.Ross says:

    What if Qasem Soleimani is visiting Baghdad and you, the owner of hypersonic missiles, know the address?
    What if a NYT journalist attempted to warn a terrorist of an imminent assassination?
    What if, following the assassination of Soleimani, the Revolutionary Guard purged leaders loyal to him?
    What if this was something else?
    https://postimg.cc/TLXb7Mvp
    https://postimg.cc/Vr1S9qXt

  101. Tucker and his guests were the only Fox talking heads who were not foaming at the mouth to give Iran everything we’ve got and then some. How Tucker stays on the air is enigmatic.

    As for his epiphany, a lot of people were pro-Iraq war in 2003 … then we learned just how much we have been lied to. I guess each generation has to learn that for themselves; life was better in the days when our wars were short, once-a-generation affairs.

  102. Liza says:
    @Hail

    What kind of flight routing is Canada–>Tehran–>Kiev? Seems strange.

    Just about everyone on the doomed aircraft, as far as I can tell from their names, is ethnic Iranian. Including those headed for Toronto. The crew was Ukr. – from their names it would seem so.

    https://heavy.com/news/2020/01/ukrainian-plane-crash-tehran-iran/

    According to Kyiv Post, most of the plane’s passengers were ultimately destined for Toronto.

    • Replies: @Hail
  103. Hail says: • Website

    Steve Sailer wrote:

    What if Tucker Is on Vacation During the Next Crisis?

    I almost forgot, but there is precedent for this:

    Feb. 2019; the now-forgotten immigration bill disaster; White House staff arranged for this worse-than-Jeb-or-Hillary bill (an anti-MAGA immigration bill) was released and quickly rammed through while Tucker and Laura Ingraham were on scheduled vacations for the Valentine’s Day – President’s Day long weekend.

    When the crisis hit — and it was similar in magnitude for the domestic side of MAGA as the murder of the Iranian general was to the foreign side — Tucker’s show that night ran a series of anodyne, pre-taped segments weirdly detached from anything to do with the immigration bill disaster then-ongoing. Tucker was fishing with his cell phone turned off, I presume. (If one didn’t know Tucker was on vacation, and I don’t think it was even announced, one might think he had been taken hostage and was broadcasting content against his will at gunpoint.)

    Laura Ingraham had somehow gotten word of the disaster (the terrible bill was released about midday that day) and frantically called into her own show, via an embarrassingly bad, shaky cell phone connection from deep inside the Rocky Mountains, where she was en route to skiing with her family. She urged the intimidated, third-string guest host to rally round the flag of immigration-patriotism, but her bad connection and AM-radio-like call-in stunt failed to pack a punch, if Trump watched it at all.

    Mickey Kaus immediately dubbed the immigration-bill disaster Trump’s “Valentine’s Day Massacre.”

    iSteve commenters were documenting this at the time; see, e.g., this Aug. 2019 comment which summarizes some the Trump Valentine’s Day Massacre of 2019 affair and the neutralization of the Fox hosts via comments people left here at the time.

  104. @kaganovitch

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the story is more myth than fact, but that’s not the point. What is undeniable is that Johnson watched TV like a hawk and cared just as much about it as Trump does now. Those three TVs in the oval office were famous around Washington.

    • Agree: Charon
  105. Charon says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Oh, that could be fun. Get Hunter Biden involved too. We could end up with a Grand Unified Theory tying up all the loose ends 🙂

  106. anon[131] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, everyone is talking as if the ‘Westerners’ on the downed Ukrainian airliner were anything but Iranians back for the holidays, with takes ranging from the stupid – ‘they were Western like any others’ – to the stupider – ‘they were refugees from the terrorist regime’ (who just happened to be back home over Christmas).

    The passenger manifest makes it clear these were not first-to-mind Canadians, Brits, Swedes and Germans: https://www.unian.info/society/10822121-uia-publishes-full-passenger-list-for-flight-ps752-crashed-in-iran.html

    Might be worth a column of the ‘War on Noticing’ sort, especially as it involves the worst offenders in the war, us Leafs.

    – Praying for Day of the Rake

    • Replies: @Hail
  107. Charon says:
    @istevefan

    Yep. Of course from the president’s perspective, three networks was a whole lot easier to keep up with than what we have now.

    From the people’s perspective, what we have now is a bit better. For the time being.

  108. Hail says: • Website
    @Liza

    Iranian-origin Canadian citizens. I’m surprised that didn’t occur to me; makes sense.

    It still seems odd about transferring in Kiev if bound for Canada, but maybe it’s not.

    ___________

    82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three British nationals

    That covers what color passports they carry.

    From the link you provide, besides the 11 Ukrainian crew, it looks like there was only one European-Christian on that plane, a Swedish man (Mikael Lindberg, b.1979). Lindberg’s Iranian-origin wife, and their two sons, together being four of the 10 Swedish citizens lost on that plane. (The loss of these 176 souls I would blame on Trump’s assassination order and thus on his Neocons, including the alleged plot ringleader Richard Goldberg.)

    From list of dead on Ukraine Airlines Flight 752:

    Lindberg Emil, born 2012
    Lindberg Erik, born 2010
    Lindberg Raheleh, born 1982
    Lindberg Mikael, born 1979

    The UK Mirror published this family’s picture:

    R.I.P.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  109. Barnard says:
    @Hail

    Here is a quote from Tucker on Iraq from 2004:

    “I think it’s a total nightmare and disaster, and I’m ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it. It’s something I’ll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who’s smarter than I am, and I shouldn’t have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I’m enraged by it, actually.

    On the spectrum of “Iraq War Champions” I don’t think he comes anywhere near approaching Bill Kristol and friends. He claims he didn’t vote in 2004 because he was disgusted with Bush partly over Iraq and his big government policies. He made intros at campaign rallies for Ron Paul in 2008. I don’t think he had an epiphany so much as that he returned to his instincts.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  110. Corvinus says:
    @nebulafox

    “Host, as in plural. Sean Hannity would love a war with Iran.”

    Exactly. So why is Mr. Sailer not NOTICING this fact?

    “Since it is well know that Trump gets his news from “the shows”, in his own words, he who controls The Donald’s TV controls the actions of a nuclear superpower.”

    Is that someone the American public desires? In other words, a president that directly and repeatedly takes foreign affairs from a news agency?

    It’s also iromic to note that Trump relied on intelligence to liquidate a Iranian leader in Iraq….even though he doesn’t trust the “Deep State”.

  111. Jack D says:
    @Hail

    It still seems odd about transferring in Kiev if bound for Canada, but maybe it’s not.

    It’s not. There are no direct flights from Tehran to Canada due to sanctions, etc. and the Ukrainian airline had carved out a small but profitable niche serving the Canadian-Iranian expat market via Kiev. The modern world has lots of strange niches that you never hear about unless you have some reason. Last week the NY Times had an article about people who make a living going back and forth from the US to Africa carrying merchandise that Africans order from them in their plane luggage -they check the maximum # and weight of bags.

    The loss of these 176 souls I would blame on Trump’s assassination order and thus on his Neocons, including the alleged plot ringleader Richard Goldberg

    Right, the Iranians shot a missile at a civilian airliner but it’s really the Joos fault anyway. If you dig hard enough there’s always a Jew at the root of the conspiracy. If you haven’t found the Jew you just haven’t looked hard enough.

    • Replies: @Liza
  112. J1234 says:
    @Senator Brundlefly

    I think he has more power on his show than he ever would as a politician

    This is correct. The mainstream media needs Tucker Carlson (and his type) more than politics does.

    Keep in mind that in their highest forms, politics and representative democracy aren’t only about elected officials doing the bidding of the 50% (sometimes less) of the population who got them into office. For the system to work optimally, elected officials can’t treat the voters who didn’t vote for them as a defeated people. (We see how well that approach “works” with the current radicals in the House right now.) Politicians should represent other reasonable viewpoints, as well, to one degree or another…it’s kind of their job and is necessary to maintain a stable society.

    Because of the extreme nature of our current situation, however, a strong stand against the radically oppressive and influential elements of the left must be made. Someone with Tucker’s abilities shouldn’t have their world views constrained and contained by the necessities of politics. He’s where he needs to be.

  113. @Anonymous

    Isn’t Trump a teetotaler?

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  114. @nebulafox

    He’s started to watch OANN.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Lot
  115. Hail says: • Website
    @James Braxton

    Hannity’s overall show on Jan. 7 was much more hawkish than Tucker Carlson’s, but I was surprised to see you are right, he did indeed indirectly rebuke Graham and call for an end to Invade The World-ism at one point.

    I assume this is the one you mean (transcripted to text for easier future reference):

    Graham: Iran’s missile strike is ‘an act of war’
    1,555,925 views | Jan 7, 2020

    [2:50]

    Hannity: You’re right about something: The Iranians want regime change. That will have to come from the people of Iran.

    Graham: Exactly.

    Hannity: We can’t be about that business. Protracted wars, conflicts, boots on the ground, Americans knocking on doors and getting blown up. That’s got to end.

    Graham: [Silent, nods head]

    Hannity: Because Washington politicizes these wars.

    I agree with you — This isn’t about regime change, this is about a change in their behavior. The president, in my view, frankly showed more restraint than I would have when they shot down our drone, when they took those tankers hostage, when they attacked the Saudis. They’ve been the number-one state sponsor of terror. How many Americans, do we now know, that Soleimani killed in Iraq? This behavior WILL get a reaction!

    Graham: Right.

    Hannity: That is just the way the world works. If we don’t react, we’re only incentivizing more of it.

    Video, hosted by Fox News Youtube channel:

    [MORE]

  116. Lot says:
    @Hail

    So much wrong in your comment.

    1. Ann has never had a “dramatic shift” and has always been a solid nationalist.

    2. There’s no evidence Tucker is a secret “anti-Zionist.”

    Your frame seems to be Israel supports all middle east wars and anyone opposed must be anti-Israel.

    However, distant and weak Afghanistan was never a problem for Israel and we were there forever. Iraq was a secondary enemy, but completely hobbled before the Iraq War by the oil embargo, no fly zones, periodic punitive bombings, and the semi-independence of the Kurds and Shiites. There was no benefit to it from an invasion.

    In 2003, maybe Israel wasn’t fully aware the invasion would result in a pro-Iran puppet state. But as the occupation progressed, that soon became very obvious. And we kept making it more likely by arming and funding the Shiite factions and bombing and killing the Sunni Arab faction. Yet we kept this up the whole occupation. Indeed, our one major anti-Shiite operation was against the least Iranian-aligned Shiite group, the Sadrists.

    It was the military industrial complex and Bush and Cheney that wanted the Iraq War. Israel and its strongest supporters are allied with this complex, owe it a great deal, so loyally helped stoke up the 2002-2003 war fever. But that’s just very far from saying the Iraq and Afghanistan operations were because Israel wanted them. Israel’s major enemies have always been Iran and its proxies in Syria and Lebanon.

  117. bomag says:
    @TDEB

    Wow.

    [From the online edition]:Even the Iranians on board were largely young students coming or returning to Canada to study, according to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. He said nearly everyone on board was bound for Toronto, transiting through Kyiv on a popular route. Trudeau said a plane arrived in Toronto from Kyiv on Wednesday with 138 empty seats, on which the victims were due to have travelled.

  118. @Anonymous

    They’re United States veterans with 600k followers each under their own name, a track record of accurate reporting, and the ear of the President.

    You don’t even have the balls to choose a pseudonym.

  119. Lot says:
    @Desiderius

    OANN is a local success story here, I’ve met some of its staff, very solid people.

    If Steve decides he wants to do some cable news talking head stuff, it would be a good place to start before the big league of Fox News. Fox Business is another place to start.

  120. anonguy says:
    @Hail

    When was Tucker’s epiphany? What caused it?

    The 2008 campaign cycle. He got interested in the Ron Paul/Liberty Campaign rhetoric about the welfare/warfare state.

    He was the only mainstream journalist wondering why all these people were saying these things rather than immediately dismissing it all as lunatic fringe.

    That, and Gravel on the left, were the first rumblings of the the anti-establishment tussle going on now.

    Anyhow, that is where Tucker first started questioning, at least to himself, GOPe stuff.

    I would love to know.

    You’re welcome.

  121. @James Braxton

    He regrets that now and admits he was under the influence of Bill Kristol, for whom he was working at the time and to whose supposed superior expertise he bowed. Still, he should have known better. I knew better.

    • Agree: KenH
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @James Braxton
  122. Polynikes says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes….as opposed to all those other career politicians who just hate self promotion…

    I for one am happy that Trump looks for opinions outside the small band of beltway elites. They’re the same people trying to take him down. Tucker Carleson probably has more sane ideas than the entirety of the joint chiefs of staff.

    Whereas the self anointed genius Obama just whined “you’re not giving me good options” and did whatever the military bureaucracy told him to do, the dummy Trump is able to sidestep their nonsense sometimes. Not a bad deal for the American people, when all’s said and done.

  123. @Altai

    Katy Tur is even funnier, daughter of two journalists, when she was 23 she entered a 3 year long relationship with a then 47 year old Keith Olbermann.

    And too think some people refer to journalists as presstitutes. I knew a young lady, fresh out of Smith, who went to work for ABC News and promptly had an affair with Jeff Greenfield. A terrible price to pay in hopes of career advancement.

  124. @Anon7

    This is Scott Adams’ take on it as well, and was from the first moment.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  125. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Senator Brundlefly

    Trump should dump the neo-con friendly, fundgelical Pence for Tucker, that would give Tucker the ability to (hopefully) steer him in the right direction whenever he starts drifting. Plus that’d make Tucker the heir-apparent in four years.

    • Agree: Elsewhere
  126. nebulafox says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I didn’t know better: I was in elementary school at the time. As I grew older, I learned, accepted I was wrong, and changed my opinions. That’s what normal adults do. They change their minds as the years pass by. If you turned out to be wrong, you take a lesson from that, ruminate a little if you are so inclined, and apply it to future experiences. It’s a sign of maturity. You yourself are the easiest person to fool, and the first step away from that is a willingness to accept that you and your ideological persuasion are not indelible.

    The really distressing thing is that Washington DC seems to be full of people who seem to think that changing your mind over the decades as events play out is immoral. The result was an increasing Brezhnevite atmosphere in both major political parties as the 21st Century went on, with people trying to show how loyal they could be to party orthodoxy, no matter how failed it was. That’s why Trump and Sanders were so successful in 2016.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  127. nebulafox says:
    @Lot

    >In 2003, maybe Israel wasn’t fully aware the invasion would result in a pro-Iran puppet state.

    On the contrary, there were a lot of Israeli intelligence officials who predicted that this would happen. This was not limited to them: Hosni Mubarak, who was hardly a fan of Saddam Hussein (his psychopath son butchered a butler in front of his wife at a party in her honor), repeatedly tried to warn the Bush White House about what the consequences of kicking the Ba’athists out of Baghdad would be, and after the deed was done, tried to lobby hard for installing a friendly military dictator while it was still possible. That Iraq would fall into the Iranian sphere of influence once the US got tired and left-as would inevitably happen-was hardly a difficult conclusion to draw given Iraq’s demographics and shaky post-Gulf War political apparatus.

    My understanding was that the Israelis wanted us to go after the Iranians, not the Iraqis, which is far more logical considering their own interests. But they probably quickly realized the futility of trying to get anywhere against the hothouse atmosphere that was Washington in 2002, so they changed tacks.

  128. @nebulafox

    That’s well said. If you read the obits for Kristol’s mom, you can see why people would give him the benefit of the doubt. Regression to the mean is a bitch.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  129. @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah, pretty much unanimous among true Trump supporters. Two possible outcomes were what we got or Iranians taking out a couple bases with cruise missiles and losing Khamenei and the nuke program, with whatever other chaos that would ensue from that (even there highly unlikely WWIII or anything like it). The former being highly preferable.

    Boots on the ground were never on the table, let alone regime change/nation-building/hearts-and-minds.

  130. @nebulafox

  131. J.Ross says:

    Tucker will not be absent because the next crisis, and really the biggrst crisis until we deal with it, is still the Merkelboner.
    Vladimir Putin wants you to defend yourself from violent attackers! Don’t be a Russian bot! Just let it happen!

    Somali migrant in Germany called the police after he attacked a man and his victim defended himself with unexpected enthusiasm.

    The initial aggression took place at the Geradstetten railway station in the municipality of Remshalden, 11 miles outside of Stuttgart, and saw the 25-year-old Somali randomly attack another man at around 2 pm in the afternoon, newspaper Stuttgarter Nachrichten reports.

    According to investigators, the victim not only defended himself but viciously fought back against the Somali man, possibly using a glass bottle, which led to the migrant receiving several lacerations to the face, one tooth knocked out, and injuries to his tongue.

    Following the altercation, the migrant called the police and was taken to a local hospital to treat his injuries. While police say they have opened a case against the Somali for the initial attack, they also claimed to have started investigations into the victim for his actions, as well, to determine if the man overstepped acceptable self-defence laws.

    https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.schlaegerei-am-bahnhof-geradstetten-heftige-gegenwehr-angreifer-waehlt-selbst-den-notruf.aef37461-d73a-4950-a158-588a31652480._amp.html

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  132. Currahee says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    You are forgetting that “way back when” the technologically sophisticated US Navy shot down an Iranian passenger plane.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  133. @Desiderius

    Yea bill and Jonah Goldberg’s moms were both infinitely better than their issue. Not to mention that for all the cursing of Irving that goes on on this site his world view was pretty darn close to Steve’s on a lot of things.

    • Replies: @SFG
  134. J.Ross says:
    @Anon7

    I earlier rejected the idea that Iran is secretly cool with getting rid of QS, especially in a way that leaves their hands clean, but there is now some evidence: anonymous sources (I know, but it’s freaking Iran, you get kremlinology or nothing) say that after the death of QS several Revolutionary Guard commanders tied to him were removed, and the same people claim that moves are slowly being made to pivot toward being able to work with Trump, ditching the more religious (QS himself was extremely devout) for the more practical people. Of course, there’s no way to know if this is true, and Iran’s totalitarian security state purges people all the time for any reason it likes.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  135. Liza says:
    @Jack D

    Right, the Iranians shot a missile at a civilian airliner

    OK. Bear with me, I am not the sharpest knife etc.

    Wouldn’t the Iranians check to see if there’s any civilian traffic in the area around Tehran before they start shooting, for god’s sake?

    Wouldn’t Washington be the one to shoot down what they thought was an Iranian aircraft in continuation of the miniwar started by Trump’s order to kill the General, followed by Iran’s missile attack on US airbase in Iraq, with the next step being USA shooting mindlessly at what they thought was an Iran war plane of some type. Is this outside the realm of possibility? Can’t missiles travel long distances?

    Serious questions, I really any trying to figure this out.

  136. GW says:
    @Anon7

    This is pretty much it.

  137. Hail says: • Website
    @anon

    Good point. For some reason this strikes me as the is kind of thing I’d expect to see John Derbyshire highlighting and/or provide some kind of biting commentary on.

    I may have missed one, but in my review of the names I counted exactly one full White-Christian among the passengers, a Swede, traveling with his Persian wife and two half-Persian children; see above at:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/but-what-if-tucker-is-on-vacation-during-the-next-crisis/#comment-3653026

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  138. @Lot

    “The regime has murdered and tortured a lot of people, creating a lot of vendettas.

    Amnesty International documented 209 protesters killed by the regime late last year, other estimates go to 1,500.”

    How many have died in Iraq/Libya/Syria since 2003? (And how many protesters have been killed in Gaza/West Bank?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Gaza_border_protests

    Compared with US/UK/EU, the Iranians are pikers, rank amateurs.

  139. @MikeCLT

    If Soleimani was a legitimate military target, aren’t all the US generals and special forces also legitimate military targets?

    Hasn’t the US (and UK, and EU) sponsored plenty of terrorism, going back to the days when Stinger missiles went to the Taliban’s predecessors, and continuing til the present day with training, arming and funding headchoppers in Syria?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23012637

    “Foreign ministers of the Friends of Syria group, who are meeting in Qatar, have agreed to provide urgent support to rebels who are fighting President Bashar al-Assad.

    Qatar’s PM Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani said “providing arms may be the only means of achieving peace”.

    The group also condemned the Syrian government for its use of Iranian and Hezbollah fighters.

    More than 90,000 people have died in more than two years of conflict.

    The Syrian government says it is fighting foreign-backed “terrorists”.

    The Friends of Syria group includes the US, Britain, France and Germany as well as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and Jordan.

    Its joint statement said the members had agreed to “provide urgently all necessary materiel and equipment to the opposition on the ground, each country in its own way in order to enable them to counter brutal attacks by the regime and its allies”.”

    “Friends Of Syria”. LOL.

  140. • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  141. JMcG says:
    @Nodwink

    The airport from which it took off is at approximately 3000ft above mean sea level. The radar track shows that as a rapid climb from o ft to airport altitude. The normal climb profile then begins. It’s an artifact of the system. Commercial airliners usually climb as fast as possible, altitude being life in an airplane. No unusual climb, just trigger happy air defense operators.

  142. JMcG says:
    @Hail

    It’s the cheapest way to get from Teheran to Toronto.

  143. SafeNow says:

    To clean-up the telltale signs that a missile strike downed a civilian airliner, the U.S. clean-up crew wrote the book on this after the Flight 800 missile strike. The Iranians might be studying-up on this right now, and implementing the same procedures.

  144. @istevefan

    In the pre-internet days of the 1980s, Reed Irvine used to run an organization called Accuracy in Media. I was a member, and every month I’d get its newsletter in which the left-wing bias of recent news stories was described at length. The MSM could easily afford to laugh off Irvine’s efforts.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  145. Lot says:
    @nebulafox

    I agree. However, I don’t remember “Iraq will end up an Iranian proxy” being much of an antiwar talking point in 2002-3, even if a few wiser people were saying that.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @J.Ross
  146. Frank G says:

    C’mon Sailer I thought you were canny enough to see that this is another “troll the media” “””leak””” from the White House.

  147. @Anonymous

    In your context, he’s just the latest in a long line of promoters. The teleprompter Prez, the upside down children’s book reading wars for Israel Prez, and the pay for play Foundation Prez are only different in presentation.

  148. @Desiderius

    I am reminded of Smedley Butler’s solution for people like Gaetz – those promoting military action in foreign countries should be the first to be sent, along with their families.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @istevefan
  149. @nebulafox

    Saddam Hussein (his psychopath son butchered a butler in front of his wife at a party in her honor)

    I find it interesting how much the American media vilifies foreign leaders – Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gadaffi, Bashar Assad, etc.

    Bill Clinton (and a lot of other American elites) raped underaged sex slaves in Jeffrey Epstein’s occult temple on a private island. Laura Bush (George W. Bush’s wife) ran over an ex-boyfriend with a car. Ted Kennedy left a woman to drown in Chappaquidick. It seems like super-elite Americans often evade responsibility for their actions too.

    By the way, given how much disinformation has been spread about Saddam Hussein over the years, do we really know if his son “butchered” anybody? Unlike all these allegations about the Hussein family, the above incidents (like Laura Bush killing an ex-boyfriend) actually did happen.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  150. Unlike all these allegations about the Hussein family, the above incidents (like Laura Bush killing an ex-boyfriend) actually did happen.

    Yes, but it was a car collision, not running over a pedestrian. It’s a little nutty to think that she decided to do away with an ex by colliding head on with his car, while she also had a close friend in her own vehicle. Saddam on the other hand filmed many of his crimes.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Jack D
  151. @Lot

    You remember wrong. Lots of anti-war individuals mentioned that Iraq’s predominately Shiite population could easily become radicalized and enter into an alliance with Iran’s Shiite fundamentalist regime. They were right.

    Here’s what anti-war individuals predicted back in 2002 and 2003.

    -Iraq would experience a Sunni-Shiite civil war.
    -Iraq would splinter into different countries.
    -The Middle East would become destabilized.
    -Terrorism would flourish in the power vacuum.
    -Iran would assert influence over Shiite-controlled southern Iraq and Baghdad.
    -Iraq would be “another Vietnam.”
    -Enormous numbers of Iraqi civilians would die or get injured.
    -Many American troops would die or get injured.
    -The cost of the war would be really high.

    Here’s what the Bush administration, Republicans, and Neocons predicted back then.

    -Iraqis would greet us as “liberators.”
    -Iraq would become a functioning democracy.
    -Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds would get along as well as the various Euro ethnicities of Switzerland.
    -Terrorism would fall dramatically.
    -This would be easy victory, with minimal deaths and injuries
    -The Iraq War would definitely NOT be “another Vietnam.”
    -Iran would somehow be weakened.
    -The war would “only” cost $50 billion (the actual present cost is over 100x as much – $5 trillion).
    -The costs of war would be financed by the Iraqi oil industry, NOT American taxpayers (haha!).

    • Replies: @Lot
  152. @kaganovitch

    It’s a little nutty to think that she decided to do away with an ex by colliding head on with his car, while she also had a close friend in her own vehicle.

    Why? People do occasionally kill their exes, often out of jealousy. She was a young girl at the time. Lots of teens do crazy stuff over “love.” So it’s not implausible that she got jealous of a new girl in her ex-boyfriend’s life, so she decided to take revenge.

    It’s a pretty bizarre “coincidence” that she happen to hit her ex-boyfriend. Given that she killed him in the collision between the cars (after running a stop sign), she must’ve been driving REALLY fast. You would think that the “liberal media” would be more interested in that….

    Saddam on the other hand filmed many of his crimes.

    Where is the supposed film of all these incidents? If the Bush administration had found such film, they’d be dying to release it. Since all their claims about WMDs turned out to be lies, at least graphic footage could be used as pro-war propaganda. So if you have a link, I’d love to see it.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  153. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    This is what I mean about selective skepticism. You see this on the fringes of the Left and the Right. When it comes to American leaders, people are willing to believe the worst – Bill Clinton raped underage sex slaves in an occult temple, despite the fact that there is zero proof that he ever did any such thing. But when it comes to Saddam, whose crimes are amply documented by numerous historical sources, suddenly no amount of proof is adequate. He was just a wonderful guy.

  154. nebulafox says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Um, yes? It happened at a dinner party of the Mubaraks with much of the high and mighty in the Middle East attending. Uday bludgeoned Kamal Gegeo with an electric carving knife in front of the horrified guests. This was not exactly an undocumented event. Saddam was so furious and appalled afterwards that he nearly executed Uday, and even when he didn’t, Uday lost any chance of succeeding his father after that incident.

    And this was in 1988, aka, back when Iraq was the “good guy” for the Beltway crowd…

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  155. Jack D says:
    @Nodwink

    Civilian aircraft carry transponders so that their identifying information comes up on radar. You don’t just see a radar reflection , you see type of aircraft and flight #. You also see the radar track, which would have lead right back to Iman Khomeini (Tehran) Airport. You see all of these things unless you are an ill trained, nervous trigger happy idiot. But Iranian radar operators are apparently nervous, trigger happy idiots.

    The Iranian government is apparently denying that they shot down the plane even though there is now plenty of evidence – they are saying this is psychological warfare by America. They are also working on sanitizing the crash site before they let the Ukrainians or anyone else onto it and will tamper with the flight data recorders too. Iranian culture is an honor-shame culture, so not losing face is more important than the truth. It’s very sad but they mainly hurt their own people.

    But they’ve got plenty more – the Iranian population went from 20 million in 1960 to 80 million today (and much of that was growth in the rural population that overwhelmed the urbanized sophisticates of Tehran who wore miniskirts in the ’60s). The US population would now be 800 million if it had the same rate of growth. And Iran has had emigration and not immigration – those #’s are all home grown – if everyone had stayed (and not died in the Iran-Iraq war) they’d have even more. WNs should (apparently d0) love Iranians (Aryans) . They’re religious, keep women in their place, hate Jews – what’s not to like?

  156. JimB says:
    @JohnnyD

    Tucker gives Nino’s 46 a score of 4.6. Coincidence?

  157. Jack D says:
    @Buroaker

    Filled with lies. Russian missiles did not shoot down 14 of 16 Israeli laser guided bombs. The Israelis fly with impunity over Russian air defenses in Syria – very bad for sales of Russian missile systems.

    Israelis fly in the shadow of civilian aircraft – better shoot down everything that moves! That’s a traditional Russian technique that the Iranians apparently learned. Maybe the Americans were hiding behind the Ukrainian jet too?

  158. @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s a pretty bizarre “coincidence” that she happen to hit her ex-boyfriend. Given that she killed him in the collision between the cars (after running a stop sign), she must’ve been driving REALLY fast. You would think that the “liberal media” would be more interested in that….

    It isn’t clear that she was his girlfriend. She denies it, she says they were just friends . Secondly, she ran a stop sign, how would she know who is coming the other way? Thirdly, this is rural Texas we’re talking about. Every second road is 55 mph. Back in 1963 it was 70.

  159. @Lot

    https://www.salon.com/2003/04/09/neocons_4/

    How neoconservatives conquered Washington — and launched a war

    The neocon defense intellectuals, as well as being in or around the actual Pentagon, are at the center of a metaphorical “pentagon” of the Israel lobby and the religious right, plus conservative think tanks, foundations and media empires. Think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) provide homes for neocon “in-and-outers” when they are out of government (Perle is a fellow at AEI). The money comes not so much from corporations as from decades-old conservative foundations, such as the Bradley and Olin foundations, which spend down the estates of long-dead tycoons. Neoconservative foreign policy does not reflect business interests in any direct way. The neocons are ideologues, not opportunists.

    Neocons.

  160. @nebulafox

    Given this incident happened back in 1988 (back when the Reagan-Bush administration was sending officials to hang out with Saddam Hussein), it’s certainly possible that this happened.

    My point was that back before the 2003 Iraq war occurred, the media collobarated in massive disinformation campaign against Iraq. Every single day, we were told that Iraq had WMDs and was responsible for 9/11. We were also told stories of the Hussein family’s violence and depravity, including stories of his son brutalizing his enemies and raping women.

    Back before the first Gulf War, we were told Saddam Hussien was killing Kuwaiti babies in their incubators. There’s actually an interesting documentary about this.

    So I think it’s prudent to be skeptical about anything we hear about the Hussein regime. I certainly think it’s possible Uday Hussein was a violent thug, but skepticism is justified.

    Even if his son is really as violent as claimed, so what? Didn’t Bush’s Iraq War kill over 1 million Iraqi civilians? Didn’t Obama drone strike thousands of innocent Yemenis? Didn’t Trump just have General Soleimani assassinated?

    I remember back in 2006, a news story was released about how the prestigious Lancet medical journal estimated that the Iraq War had killed around 600,000 civilians (the number has since risen to over 1 million). The Bush administration promptly denied the credibility of the estimate, then the news story disappeared. Since then, the topic of civilian casualties in Iraq has gone untouched by the media and politicians. It’s interesting how little attention is given to these type of things by the American media.

  161. Lot says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Here’s Pat’s complete column archive. I checked a few of his columns from right before the war, and nothing like you say is there.

    https://buchanan.org/blog/columns

    So I think my memory is correct. The antiwar side was focused on initial casualties, how it was an evil war for oil or Israel, etc. Pat also mentioned Syria and Iran being invaded next.

    Again, I am not saying nobody said Iraq would end up an Iranian proxy, but that it wasn’t part of either the major left or right-wing cases against the war.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  162. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    Putting up with a lot of mere finger-exercising from Jack D tonight because of reply limitations but this is ridiculous, yes there were plenty of warnings, they were memory holed but they were around alternative media. The Iraq war was a rarely perfect example of disaster foreseen in detail and embraced anyway. Some of those warners were idiots, or were idiotic about other things, but with minds like Kristol & company, it’s easy to be right.
    Iraq is kind of unique in having a third of its population connected to its neighbor to a degree that can threaten security. There’s other examples, but usually the “neighbor” isn’t a threat, like Somalis in Kenya because Somalia collapsed. Russians in Baltic states might be comparable, but they are aliens, not Balts; Iraqi lovers of Iran are completely Iraqi. Shi’ism’s pilgrimage-receiving and seminary-housing holy sites, after Mecca and Medina, are in South-Eastern Iraq, and Iran’s much bigger anyway. Also, this was frequently brought up as an explanation for why Iran was okay with the war, besides the weakening of one of their enemies and the removal of another.

  163. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    Israel definitely wanted the removal of Saddam Hussein (who was at that time aggressively sponsoring Palestinian terrorism as a face-saving attempt since he could do very little else) and said so through several mouth pieces, including that one dude with the deep voice. He actually came to Congress to make clear that removing Saddam would have positive results in the region, think he was foreign minister at the time; wonder what happened to him.

  164. @Liza

    If the Iranians were half as smart and competent as their supporters claim, they would have suspended all civilian flights originating from their airports during their barrage against the U.S., and kept flights grounded until they were sure there wouldn’t be a reprisal raid.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  165. Lurker says:
    @Anon7

    Now, negotiations can actually proceed, to get Iran back on track as a 21st century country.

    So Iran can look forward to this sort of thing?

    • Replies: @Kronos
  166. @Currahee

    I’m not forgetting it and it’s not relevant to my point, because that flight didn’t originate from U.S. territory.

  167. istevefan says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    So when do you think the first serious opposition to the MSM narrative came about? Was it with the rise of talk radio like Rush?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @JMcG
  168. J.Ross says:

    Pretty brazen case of journolying from the Bezos Blog:
    –Hillary did bad things and appears to have done more
    –Democrats/media insist she did nothing wrong
    –Huber is appointed to investigate and gives all signs of being as Her Turn as Strzok or Comey
    –Barr becomes AG, looks into Huber
    –Huber is removed before concluding “his” investigation, which is turned over to Durham
    –Durham is still investigating Hillary today
    –Bezos Blog today: “Huber investigation concludes having found nothing”
    –Actual text in article artfully avoids specifying the investigation or saying that it properly ended: standard TDS purple language dodging specifics
    –“effectively ended”
    –current and former officials saying what they think
    Anyone reading the headline, and even if they get through the article but do not pick up on the language, would conclude that this is a legal exoneration. This is real Orwellian up-is-down stuff.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/justice-dept-winds-down-clinton-related-inquiry-once-championed-by-trump-it-found-nothing-of-consequence/2020/01/09/ca83932e-32f9-11ea-a053-dc6d944ba776_story.html

  169. istevefan says:
    @Jack D

    WNs should (apparently d0) love Iranians (Aryans)

    If they loved them wouldn’t they want them to immigrate here? It seems a strange way to show love to some group by insisting they stay out of your country.

    As for who loves Iranians, you might want to look at those who believe in the Zeroth Amendment.

    …hate Jews …

    That doesn’t seem to bother those who believe in the Zeroth Amendment.

    • Replies: @Anon
  170. @Redneck farmer

    They were probably “Canadian” but a different group of “Canadian” than the ones who drive trucks.

    Oh, that group:

    PUNJABIS CONTROL 40% OF TRUCKING IN CALIFORNIA AND 60% IN CANADA

    Punjabi-Canadians roll into trucking, rerouting a traditional industry

    • Replies: @istevefan
  171. istevefan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but I had no idea that industry’s workers were being replaced too. I figured the “jobs they don’t want to do argument” might fly with picking melons or slaughtering chickens. But driving big rigs?

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  172. @Curmudgeon

    Jesus boomer pay attention he’s against foreign wars.

  173. @Hail

    …I wonder how many of the Canadians will have Ukrainian names.

    Don’t half the Canadians between Thunder Bay and Prince George already have Ukrainian names?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  174. @Dave Pinsen

    It is pretty funny that the it’s the IQ stupid crowd has talked themselves into thinking Iran and Russia are going to take down the US Empire. But it’s like Steve often says right wingers aren’t very sophisticated (and who would know it better than the guy that moderates this comment section).

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  175. I like how everybody not only accepts as true but also amplifies the enemy media portrayals of Trump as stupid and easily distracted.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  176. SFG says:
    @Sam Haysom

    Norman Podhoretz, John’s dad, finally said he was OK with Trump. Of course, he’s in his eighties. Even Steve described himself as an Old Neocon once. I think the new generation kept looking for another Soviet Union to slay and persuaded themselves Iran was the next one. After all, they were enemies of Israel…

  177. @Jack D

    the urbanized sophisticates of Tehran who wore miniskirts in the ’60s

    Cis-women … wore skirts? That’s gender discrimination.

    Schoolboys in the UK can now wear skirts to school — and it’s about time! [nypost]

  178. Kronos says:
    @istevefan

    Fox News maybe?

    It likely marked a shift from the ideologically inbred Washington Post/NYT/New Republic/ABC/CBS/CNN.

  179. That Trumps would be making foreign (and domestic) policy mistakes was predictable. As I’ve been saying since 2015, Trump needs a great strategic thinker to assist with his foreign and domestic policy decisions. The Bobby Fischer of strategic thinkers is Gregory R. Copley. I posted Copley’s bio in comment #212 below a November 9, 2016 Steve Sailer post titled “Who Should Be in the Trump Administration?”
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-should-be-in-the-trump-administration/#comment-1643846

    If Copley had been advising Romney in 2012 and Trump in 2016, Obama and Hillary would probably have been asked during the presidential debates: “Why did you support Al Qaeda and their sympathizers in Syria? Why would you arm the same people who brought down the Twin Towers and killed 3000 Americans on 9/11?” “Why did you support Abdelhakim Belhaj in Libya? Didn’t you know that Al Qaeda’s #2 guy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, called Belhaj the ‘emir of the mujahideen’ back in 2007, when he (Zawahiri) was announcing the merger of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb with Belhaj’s Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)?”

    Copley would have Trump attacking the Democrats on environmental issues. Trump would learn that 80% of China’s groundwater is polluted. Do we want that to happen here? The high plains aquifer that supplies much of the water used by eight states from South Dakota to northern Texas was 3% depleted in 1960 and ~35% depleted today. More immigrants = less and more polluted water.

    More immigrants = more plastic/phthalate pollution = decreased penis and testicle size and lower sperm counts.

    Singapore spends 5% of GDP on medical care, the U.S. ~17%. Medical savings accounts used in Singapore save money. Why not try them here?

    Global warming: Poor people from 3rd World have much higher CO2 footprints when they come to US. Religious people find it difficult psychologically to turn these people away. Tell them this: “We can help more of these people for less money if they stay in their native country where costs are lower.” According to former liberal icon Paul Ehrlich, poor people in the 3rd World do 15-150 times more damage to the environment when they come to US.

    North Korea and Iran: Copley would make the case for changing the nature of these 2 enemies by integrating them into our economies and into Western civilization.

    Copley did a lot of the research that allowed the great strategic philosopher Stefan Possony to state in 1973 that the Soviet Union would fall apart in the early 1990s due to “demographic, economic and strategic trends.”

    Copley and Steve Sailer’s friend Jerry Pournelle (deceased) were mentored by super genius Possony. Copley learned much about Asia from the Asian strategic genius Tony Ko.

    The people who are invading our country are decreasing the average IQ of Americans and thus lowering our per capita productivity relative to what it could be. Trump should make the case that this means less money will be available to help poor Americans on a per capita basis.

  180. J.Ross says:
    @Not My Economy

    I have avoided posting this because I thought people got it already. There’s three lies:
    1 – Trump is a retard who gets his instructions from Putin via this television channel (this is especially perverse if you remember the previous president’s relationship with the newsmedia, which was a real journalistic disaster in itself). If there were any truth to this then surely Trump could not be so unpredictable.
    2 – Tucker is the entirety of this channel. Of course he’s actually a far outlier.
    3 – The particular sentiment can only have come from this one channel. The particular sentiment in question (reluctance to redestroy our economy and society in another unwinnable sandbox war) is actually the objective and overwhelming sentiment of the American people as well as the Israeli government, and was voiced all over social and alternative media, and largely not on that channel.

  181. Kronos says:
    @Lurker

    Sometimes you make good friends in the most unexpected places and situations.

  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    1. Ann has never had a “dramatic shift” and has always been a solid nationalist.

    Her opinions have changed quite a lot over the years. She used to be a rather doctrinaire Republican. She isn’t anymore.

    2. There’s no evidence Tucker is a secret “anti-Zionist.”

    There wouldn’t be, not if he is still on the air. By the way, I don’t think he is.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  183. Mr. Anon says:
    @Hail

    I noticed that too. The fact that the guest even mentioned Israel was surprising.

  184. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think R Emmet Tyrell (what happened to him?) said all Ted Kennedy ever wanted to do was run a bar in Boston.

  185. istevefan says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I think you misinterpreted what Gaetz said.

  186. Russ says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m against a ground war too, but was hoping for some more, like Tehran getting rocked or something.

    Iran gets rocked multiple times a day.

    irsc.ut.ac.ir

  187. @JohnnyD

    Gotta say, that’s one of the fruitiest pizza eating clips ever filmed. Tucker’s holding the slice like it’s a Claymore (Front towards enemy). Jeez. Fancy lads afraid of a little olive and cheese oil 😉

  188. J.Ross says:

    Heal Hortler! Nazi vandals scrawl something like a swastika on nursing home bound victim’s bald scalp. The fact that it looks like it would look if a guy tried to do that to himself without a mirror is purely a coincidence. A fellow nursing home inmate has been blamed — no word yet which side he was on during the war …

    https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/01/09/swastika-drawn-on-head-of-elderly-man-with-alzheimers-in-care-home/

  189. MBlanc46 says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Perhaps it’s different when it’s your father.

  190. istevefan says:
    @Lot

    It was the military industrial complex and Bush and Cheney that wanted the Iraq War. Israel and its strongest supporters are allied with this complex, owe it a great deal, so loyally helped stoke up the 2002-2003 war fever.

    People conflate Israel with those in the USA who presume to act for the benefit of Israel.

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.

    Whether or not Israeli leadership supports what these idiots promote, I don’t know. But it would probably benefit Israel to publicly distance themselves from them so as to avoid the perception that they do want us involved in the various ME wars.

    Here also is an interesting open letter to then-President Bush, less than 10 days after the 9-11 attacks. As you can see they already had their sights set on Saddam and devoted more print to him than Osama Bin Laden. Some of these guys had close ties to the Bush admin and also are among those who presume to have Israel’s best interest at heart.

    Like I wrote, it would be beneficial for Israel to publicly distance themselves from these zealots.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  191. Mr. Anon says:
    @nebulafox

    If you want to make war on Iran, it might help to occupy countries that border it – like Iraq and Afghanistan, for example.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  192. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    “ It seems a strange way to show love to some group by insisting they stay out of your country.”

    You really don’t “get” nationalism, do you?

  193. @J.Ross

    Finally! Endlich. God bless that German man, and may there by many more like him.

    The Somali should be executed and any of his relatives in Germany should be deported and barred from reentry. This is nothing less than life or death for the whole nation and civilization.

    And any “German” who prosecutes this man, convicts him, or jails him, should be dealt with forcibly as well. They have homes and families too and this treacherous invasion should be brought right to them where they feel safe.

    The prosecutors and police and jailers have become active enemies of the German people, and they should be made very afraid of the common people, not the other way around.

  194. JMcG says:
    @istevefan

    I don’t think I’ve ever listened to his show, but I think you are correct. I remember the papers chortling over his drug problem years ago and thinking, “Who?”

  195. @Hail

    White yes. White Christian probably not. Swedes are not meaningfully Christians in any great number, either in terms of formal church attendance and observance or belief.

  196. JMcG says:
    @istevefan

    You give the same advice as Hillaire Belloc Gave 85 years ago.

  197. Cato says:

    Iran apparently revealed its incompetence by shooting down the Ukranian Air passenger plane, but some are already whispering that the air2ground missile battery was hacked by our people to wake up Iran to its complete helplessness. Whether hacked or not, Iran is toast unless it begins to show some awareness of who is strong and who is weak.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  198. @Jack D

    Good observation about the honor/shame culture and the Iranians’ likely tampering with the foolishly downed airplane’s black box.

    As to your concluding lines, which seemed sarcastic (?), I’d quibble that civic nationalists and many white nationalists in the USA are not religious. And those of us who are religious certainly don’t think that all religions — or all political or racialist ideologies masquerading as religions (Islam and Judaism, respectively) — are equal. So “being religious” isn’t necessarily an admirable or useful trait in our minds.

    If their religion teaches them not to yield to sexual deviancy and mental illness (homosexuality snd “transgenderism”), though, that’s a salutary effect and an admirable sensible, natural outlook.

    I don’t love Iranians or trust them or their government, just don’t want to incite a war against them unnecessarily, as Israel and Saudi Arabia and the arms manufacturers alike all would like us to do. It wouldn’t be a legitimate defensive, preemptive, or retaliatory war on “our” government’s part.

  199. @Harry Baldwin

    Unless you are talking about Saint Paul, I generally don’t trust people who have epiphanies.

    They are usually very intollerant of the people who believe exactly what they used to believe. And in my experience they are highly likely to change directions again at some point.

    But maybe Tucker just changed his viewpoint due to careful study and meditation. I hope so.

  200. Jack D says:
    @Cato

    Ground2air.

    If we had hacked it, we would have blow up the warhead on the ground in order to take out the crew and the mobile launcher. Imagine the blowback if it came out that we had intentionally launched their missiles at a civilian aircraft. And with the way Washington leaks, it would only be a matter of time before we were reading the secret orders on Wikileaks.

    As I said before, the Iranians are a shame culture and are going to be looking to blame anyone and anything but their own stupidity so they are going to launch (you should pardon the expression) a lot of FUD to obfuscate their fuck-up.

  201. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    But a most central part of history that is not taught is that Jewish money has been central to all WASP political activity, and anti-Christendom cultural activity, since Oliver Cromwell, Mr. Archetypal WASP himseld.

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  202. @Lot

    Here are 4 articles in which Pat Buchanan warned of Iranian influence in Iraq. All written BEFORE the removal of Saddam Hussein from power.

    https://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-why-does-iraq-top-the-enemies-list-524

    Iran is far more likely to end up as hegemon of the Gulf

    Of the three, Iraq appears the least menacing. With its economy stifled by a decade of sanctions, its military crippled by Desert Storm and systematic destruction of its arsenal under years of U.N. inspections, Iraq is in no condition to launch an invasion of the Gulf region.
    Iran would appear the greater potential threat.

    http://www.theamericancause.org/pathavewejusthitthetarbaby.htm

    Moreover, there are regimes that may have welcomed the overthrow of Saddam but who will not welcome any permanent U.S. domination of Iraq. First among them is Iran.
    After supporting the United States in its war to oust the Taliban, Iran moved to create a sphere of influence in western Afghanistan, beyond the control of the pro-American government in Kabul. Will Teheran not attempt to do the same in the Shia region of southern Iraq, after we served her purposes by ridding Iraq of Iran’s enemy, Saddam Hussein?

    http://www.theamericancause.org/patbushsheadache.htm

    A similar problem exists in the south. In 1991, the Shiites rose in rebellion at the urging of Bush I and were butchered by Saddam’s troops. As the largest ethnic group in Iraq, will they accept continued rule by the Sunnis who persecuted them for three decades? What do we do if the Shiites and Kurds both declare independence? Iran, a Shiite nation, will be fishing in these waters.

    http://www.theamericancause.org/patcongressvacation.htm

    How long do we intend to occupy Baghdad? What do we do if the Kurds exploit the chaos to declare independence? Help crush the Kurds? What do we do if Iran encourages the Iraqi Shi’ites to rise up, and they declare independence? What do we do if occupied Iraq turns into another Beirut, with U.S. troops daily subjected to sniper fire and suicide attacks?

    Pat Buchanan (and many other anti-war individuals) mentioned growing Iranian hegemony as a downside to the Iraq War. They didn’t want Iraq becoming dominated by Iran. Therefore, your original claim is inaccurate.

    There were plenty of people who opposed the Iraq War for all sorts of reasons (Iraqi civilian casualties, American military casualties, economic costs, regional destabilization, Iranian influence in Iraq). All of these reasons turned out to be quite prescient.

    All of these people were dismissed and marginalized.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Lot
  203. @Jack D

    My point was that much of the case against Saddam Hussein was based on fradulent evidence.

    George HW Bush justified the first Iraq War by claiming Saddam Hussein was killing incubator babies. George W. Bush justified the second Iraq War by claiming that Saddam Hussein had “weapons of mass destruction” and was responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

    Given how eager politicians and media personalities were to demonize Saddam Hussein, I’m not sure how much I believe any particular claim against him. More importantly, even if Saddam Hussein was a “bad person,” that didn’t stop the Reagan-Bush administration from maintaining positive ties with him in the 80s (Donald Rumsfeld even visited him in Iraq).

    Here’s an interesting article from the year 1990.

    https://apnews.com/c456d72625fba6c742d17f1699b18a16

    Bush Says Saddam Even Worse Than Hitler

    Here’s a picture of Donald Rumsfeld with Saddam Hussein back in 1983. When he was the Middle East envoy of the Reagan-Bush administration.

    Interesting article about Saddam Hussein’s usage of WMDs in the 80s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics

    The Reagan administration and its special Middle East envoy, Donald Rumsfeld, did little to stop Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction in the 1980s, even though they knew Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons “almost daily” against Iran, it was reported yesterday.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  204. @J.Ross

    According to Doran/Pompeo/Mossad (and several other varied sources with diverse axes to grind), the IRGC et al is the Alien totalitarian security state apparatus sucking the life out of the Persian (white) rational actor competent legitimate state underneath.

    Taking out QS was playing Ripley.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  205. @JohnnyWalker123

    Trump didn’t take out Rouhani. He’s explicitly ruled out regime change.

    You’re living in a fantasy world.

  206. @JohnnyWalker123

    Dismissed and marginalized by the same people* who’ve been trying to take out Trump since before he was elected. Trump blasted Pelosi for not impeaching Bush over Iraq.

    JW is a D shill. Your party has abandoned you in the years since all this happened.

    * – people like CIA agent WB jr.

  207. @Jack D

    Pictures of Bill Clinton with Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell (who was dating Epstein) was a “Madam” who helped Epstein run the prostitution ring. Maxwell was actually the woman who entrapped these underaged girls into prostitution. Maxwell taught these girls how to perform various sex acts (like oral sex). She personally had orgies with Epstein, during which these underaged sex slaves were forced to participate and forced to sexually “service” both Maxwell and Epstein. Maxwell is daughter of media baron and Mossad agent Robert Maxwell.

    Here’s a picture of Epstein’s occult temple.

    Bill Clinton traveled on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet on six occasions. On two occasions, he recklessly ditched Secret Service. Why would Bill Clinton do that? Perhaps he was trying to hide something. Given Bill Clinton’s extensive history of womanizing (extramarital affairs, rapes, prostitutes), why is it difficult to believe that he was raping underaged sex slaves on Epstein’s properties?

    See below news story.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/flight-manifests-reveal-bill-clinton-traveled-with-epstein-six-times-not-the-four-times-he-admitted

    Former President Bill Clinton claimed that he took four trips, accompanied by the Secret Service, on billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express” private airplane, but flight manifests reveal at least six separate journeys, two of which were without Secret Service agents.

    Why would Clinton lie about the number of trips? Interesting “coincidence” that discrepancy (between the 6 total trips and 4 admitted trips) equals the number of trips WITHOUT Secret Service.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Jack D
    , @J.Ross
  208. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    I’m eagerly awaiting America³, with all the good people dead from the get-go, being stranded in what is basically a diverse penal colony with occasional rape, and an Alien in the oven. The only hope is being saved by a slimy MIC mega-corporation, and we know how that ends.

    Meanwhile, does anybody know what triplicate-brainfugged azhole came up with the idea of hitting Suleimani, prepared the toilet-level paperwork for “the prez” and helpfully gave him the radio-control button to act on this?

    I know it’s “Aaron and Chosewitz” in the National Intelligence Community, but who exactly has to visit Club Fed for about 2000 years for this? Because it’s not like this was in any way or shape legal.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  209. El Dato says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The revelation in a letter filed by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Maurene Comey and Jason Swergold is the latest disclosure from the feds about the footage from the Metropolitan Correctional Center on July 22 and 23. Epstein attempted to hang himself that night while sharing a cell with accused quadruple murderer Nick Tartaglione, officials have said.

    It’s like that surveillance footage of the OKC bombing … “oh well”.

  210. duncsbaby says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I guess he’s a well-disciplined Sales-Promotion Man.

  211. duncsbaby says:
    @istevefan

    Driving big rigs takes someone smart enough to be able to handle a big rig and keep up w/any repairs and safety that goes along with that and just dumb enough to think it’s a good way to make a living. Of course for Punjabis driving in North America as opposed to South Asia is a WIN-WIN.

  212. duncsbaby says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, but their first names are Gord and Owen.

  213. @Desiderius

    I like Gaetz generally but he still doesn’t have the balls to point out the role israel plays in our foreign policy, let alone the role American jews and jewish organizations play in our domestic immigration disaster. Instead he calls out Saudi Arabia.

  214. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    By 1968 Vietnam had become the longest war in U.S. history, and Tet showed that victory was no closer than it had been in 1961.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  215. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    I’m sure the media didn’t want to stir up the old controversy over ‘Canadians of convenience’

    There was much indignation during the 2006 Lebanon War with ‘Canadians’ who lived overseas, didn’t pay Canadian taxes, and only went ‘home’ in an emergency.

  216. Lot says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    None of those articles predict Iran’s central government would be dominated by Iranian proxies. Saying Iran will be “fishing” in Southern Iraq and “encouraging” Shiite unrest is not the same thing.

    Look, I think Pat was right overall. But my point still stands: Iraq having a PM who spent much of his adult life in Iran and was a fairly high level member of its system is not the type of prediction even the better antiwar voices like Pat were making in 2002-3.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  217. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The “occult temple” looks like a pool cabana done in the style of a mosque. LOL.

    Your claim was that Bill Clinton raped underage sex slaves in an occult temple. You’ve put him on the island but maybe he was there to go swimming, not to commit rapes. Any one of these girls could make a fortune from the tabloids by selling her story : ” I was raped by Bill Clinton at age 16!” but none has come forward. Personally I get the feeling that Bill Clinton’s raping days are over.

  218. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That temple might have been a garden shed or an eccentric lawn decoration, but there was a mysterious fire there at the same time as the Epstein “suicide,” so, to remind of Jack D’s Universal serial villain turn of phrase, you’ll never know, now, will you?

  219. J.Ross says:

    The “occult temple” looks like a pool cabana done in the style of a mosque. LOL.

    And the houses Dutroux kept girls in looked like houses.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  220. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    But if you had called those houses “occult temples” they would have sounded much more exotic and ominous.

  221. @Anonymous

    Result

    South Vietnamese-American tactical victory;[1] North Vietnamese propaganda, political and strategic victory[2]

    Heavy casualties on both sides[3][4]
    North Vietnamese invasion repulsed[1]
    Depletion of Viet Cong leading to the use of greater North Vietnamese manpower

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive

  222. @Anonymous

    Yes, you are absolutely right, but America is not run by Americans, so it never learns its lessons.

    “We” have outdone ourselves since Viet Nam. I can’t even remember now many years it has been since “my” country invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and the whole damn world — but I know “we” have been inviting it to come here most of my life, since a certain legislative change that was made when I was a little kid.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  223. nebulafox says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think there are a couple of fundamental differences between Vietnam and Afghanistan/Iraq, though, that speak volumes about how the mindset of our elites have changed.

    1) We did not seek to fundamentally change Vietnam’s culture or political system.
    There was none of the triumphal notions of spreading Jeffersonian democracy at work in Vietnam: the conflict was a Vietnamese civil war which we happened to involve ourselves in on the behalf of one of the warring parties, who we wanted to prop up. Vietnam was Vietnam. Nobody was under any illusions that it could be made to be something else. The whole premise of the interventions of the 21st Century, by contrast, revolved around the idea of “regime change”.

    2) Vietnam had a long history of being a coherent nation-state before the West arrived. Today, they are running a belated Asian Tiger economy, complete with PISA scores that should be within the top 10 pretty soon. Both warring governments in Vietnam had the same goal: a modernized, unified, nationalistic Vietnam, where they differed was on the model to be used to achieve that, Soviet vs. Western. They were just behind the curve a bit because they had a really hard 20th Century, even on regional standards. I think it is safe to say that East Asia (Southeast, though Vietnam’s culture is a lot more on the “East” side of the ledger-but even with SEA, this is true) and the Middle East are different places, but This Is BadThink, so I’d better stop…

    Iraq, by contrast, was akin to Yugoslavia: a cobbled together construct containing multiple ethnic groups that didn’t historically like each other that much. You had those who wanted religious government, or decentralized government, or ethnic separation, or Ba’athism, or whatever. The idea essentially was that upon removing Saddam, we could recreate a unified, centralized government in Baghdad, where everybody loved each other… just without all the nasty dictatorship stuff. Which, yeah, that smacks of the most naive blank-slate theory, don’t you think? As for Afghanistan, it is Afghanistan. What more need be said?

    I think comparing our intervention in Iraq to Yugoslavia is more apropos: just on a much bigger scale, with a much bigger subsequent level of disaster. In neither country did the locals have any illusions about the notion of “diversity is our strength”: they knew the opposite was the truth. Yet somehow, the Best and Brightest in DC seemed to be oblivious to what was obvious, and insisted on viewing the region as they did in their think tanks rather than as it was to the people who lived there. Utterly confident in their own judgement, they transformed practical politics into the abstract realm of the metaphysical. Not too different from the Wilsonians with WWI and the Russian Civil War. Some things never change, and the pretensions of coastal progressive (whether hawkish or dovish) intellectuals are among them.

  224. User1234 says:
    @Mr McKenna

    So many Ukrainian Iranian Canadians dying.

    Terrible.

  225. @Jack D

    The “occult temple” looks like a pool cabana done in the style of a mosque. LOL.

    Have you ever seen anybody build a structure like that on their property? Why would someone build a “pool” in the style of a Muslim Mosque? Why is there a huge animal statue on top of that thing?

    Why are there demonic statues and gremlins around the property?

    Epstein placed his initialis (J + E) on a model plane in his bedroom. The initials were shown as a red Pitchfork. A Red Pitchfork.

    There was a demonic red hallway in Epstein’s house.

    Epstein had a strange horned mask in his home.

    Epstein kept “Chess figures” of various women.

    The picture below is pretty interesting. In the 1999 film “Eyes Wide Shut,” “Ziegler” is a super wealthy man who hosts parties for elite members of NYC society at his huge mansion. His parties feature Occult rituals and debauchery involving sex slaves. “Ziegler” belongs to a group that entraps very young females into sexual abuse. “Ziegler” also has Satanic and Occult symbols around his house.

  226. @Lot

    None of those articles predict Iran’s central government would be dominated by Iranian proxies. Saying Iran will be “fishing” in Southern Iraq and “encouraging” Shiite unrest is not the same thing.

    Let me requote the most important parts of those passages that I posted above.

    Iran is far more likely to end up as hegemon of the Gulf

    Iran moved to create a sphere of influence in western Afghanistan, beyond the control of the pro-American government in Kabul. Will Teheran not attempt to do the same in the Shia region of southern Iraq, after we served her purposes by ridding Iraq of Iran’s enemy, Saddam Hussein?

    “Hegemon.” “Sphere of influence.”

    By the way, “fishing” (in the context used by Pat Buchanan) means stirring up unrest. It means asserting influence.

    Why are you even arguing this? I have strong memories of many anti-war commentators warning that Iran would dominate post-Saddam Iraq.

    Everything the anti-war commentators predicted has come to pass.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  227. @Jack D

    Your claim was that Bill Clinton raped underage sex slaves in an occult temple. You’ve put him on the island but maybe he was there to go swimming, not to commit rapes.

    Yeah, I’m sure a millionaire former President couldn’t find anywhere to go swimming. Epstein’s island was his only real option.

    His six trips on Epstein’s plane were purely to go swimming. Nothing else.

    Any one of these girls could make a fortune from the tabloids by selling her story : ” I was raped by Bill Clinton at age 16!” but none has come forward.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Epstein’s girls are dead, from suicide, drug overdoses, accidents, or murders. Studies show that prostitutes have very short life expectancy and high mortality.

    Other girls may be imprisoned, most likely in Israel (where Ghislaine Maxwell is hiding). They could be valuable blackmail material against a former President.

    Other girls may not remember who they serviced. A lot of the sexual activity took place in dark rooms, so these women may not have been aware who they were servicing. Especially if these women were drugged (which Epstein often did), most of their encounters might be a haze. Lots of these girls were super young and may not even recognize Clinton (who stopped being president after the 2000 election), it’s not like American youth are super politically engaged.

    Other girls may have threatened to go forward and been assasinated. One of Epstein’s former victims claimed an Epstein-hired enforcer tried to run her car off the road.

    Other girls may been bribed to shut up.

    Remember, these girls were kept as “sex slaves.” It’s not like they are especially savy or empowered.

    By the way, in a leaked confidential video (from James O’Keefe), Amy Robach (ABC anchor) claimed that she had done a lot of research on Epstein. She was ready to run a story 3 years ago. She also claimed that she had incriminating details linking Clinton to the Epstein prostitution ring. Her story was killed by ABC. The informant who leaked the video (who was by then working at CBS) was fired by CBS after getting tipped off by ABC. See below video.

    Obviously the media did their best to cover up the Epstein story and NOT incriminate Bill Clinton. The media cover up here is what you’d expect in the Soviet Union (with state-owned media), not a “free country.”

    I’d say the media has a “liberal bias.” Except that the same media eagerly broadcast pro-Iraq War propaganda (“weapons of mass destruction”) when Bush was president, while later hushing up the fact that WMDs were never actually found in Iraq.

    American media is basically state-controlled like Soviet-era Pravda. They kill stories all the time. I’m sure there are Clinton accusers who the media refuse to report on.

  228. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    None of this stuff looks “demonic” to me. Not my taste in decorating but have you seen what modern art looks like?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  229. @El Dato

    Legality is straightforward via 2002 AUMF and IRGC terrorist org designation. That’s why Gaetz and Lee were wanting to leverage Orange Man Bad to revive Congressional War Powers authority dormant since Gulf of Tonkin if not longer. Once things die down we may get that done.

    Trying to take down Trump by pretending this was in any way illegal is fucked up about twelve directions. Go on ahead and die on that hill. You’ll go not only unmourned but go unnoticed.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  230. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    None of this stuff looks “demonic” to me. Not my taste in decorating but have you seen what modern art looks like?

    Not personally. A picture is worth 1,000 words, though.

  231. @JohnnyWalker123

    Strong memories but not actual evidence. It takes a pretty low level of sophistication to understand that a sphere of influence inside a country by definition precludes you actually dominating that country.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  232. @Anon7

    “Now, negotiations can actually proceed, to get Iran back on track as a 21st century country.”

    Thanks for the laugh.

    US Iranian policy is specifically to prevent Iran becoming a 21st century country.

    Because that is not what Israel wants.

  233. @nebulafox

    Yours is a good post.

    Yet somehow, the Best and Brightest in DC seemed to be oblivious to what was obvious, and insisted on viewing the region as they did in their think tanks rather than as it was to the people who lived there. Utterly confident in their own judgement, they transformed practical politics into the abstract realm of the metaphysical.

    I know an Army officer who played a round of golf with Paul Bremer and came away disliking him. He described him as a know-it-all with personality traits matching your description. (This anecdote doesn’t matter, but I like telling it anyway.)

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  234. @nebulafox

    Well perceived. Soviet is Western too (with some Eastern characteristics). That’s how it won. In both Vietnam and to some (still TBD) extent here. Also why “our” intervention in Iraq took on a great deal of the energy of the Comintern interventions in Korea and Nam. The neocons weren’t all that neo FP-wise.

  235. @Buzz Mohawk

    Once I got about a month of Bremer’s schtick I knew I’d made a massive mistake backing the invasion. Deep State is very Bremer-flavored to this day.

  236. @nebulafox

    Yet somehow, the Best and Brightest in DC seemed to be oblivious to what was obvious, and insisted on viewing the region as they did in their think tanks rather than as it was to the people who lived there.

    Have you ever seen State Department functionaries in the wild?

    What a bunch of utterly banal, over-credentialed, generally worthless people with no foreign language skills to speak of that drive around foreign countries in their blacked out Chevy Suburbans and yuk it up in the best restaurants in town to discuss banalities such as their Herndon, VA lawn, purse dog, or who dropped junior on his head in Dulles, VA last weekend.

    And these same people wonder why we are held in such low esteem in so many parts of the world.

  237. @JohnnyWalker123

    So, this is all you need to do to land scores of not quite legal/barely legal young women?

  238. @Altai

    Washington Post, the house organ of the CIA.

  239. @nebulafox

    “on the behalf of one of the warring parties, who we wanted to prop up. ” We chose the corrupt leaders of the South, and a prolonged war that broke the Gold backed USD, while shoveling America’s wealth into private pockets.

    “the idea of “regime change”. ” We thought that we could put in place leaders that would serve the Empire, instead of themselves, or their country. All politics are local?

    Notice that the governors used the phrase “exporting democracy” and “regime change” interchangeably? That’s what they think of the voters. We vote for a regime to rule us, not for our representatives.

    Trump is just following the script handed to him by the Producers. The same script that Bush (both 41 & 43) and Obama followed, and that Hillary Clinton would have followed as POTUS. The same script that had Bill Clinton invading the former Yugoslavia illegally.

    We keep voting and nothing ever changes. Stupidity?

  240. @Sam Haysom

    If you decide to access a Thesaraus, you’ll see that “influence” and “dominate” are synonyms.

  241. @Jack D

    Let us resummarize the evidence.

    -Epstein has a strange temple on his island. The temple is surrounded by animal and gremlin figurines. He used to take sex slaves to the island.
    -Epstein placed his initials (J +E) on a model plane, in the shape of a red pitchfork.
    -In Epstein’s home, there’s a hallway that’s lit up with eerie red light.
    -Epstein kept a horned mask on a wall.
    -Epstein kept large-sized Chess figures of his female employees.
    -Epstein decorated his floor in a style seen in the 1999 film “Eyes Wide Shut.” The film is about an elite prostitution ring that enslaves young girls, performs Occult rituals, and hosts orgies.

    Coincidentally, Bill Clinton was friends with Epstein (and his Madam Ghislaine Maxwell). Clinton went on Epstein’s jet (in which sexual abuse of young girls often took place), six times. Clinton ditched the secret service twice to hang out with Epstein. He invited Ghislaine Maxwell to his daughter’s wedding.

    Despite Epstein being an unemployed dropout with no life accomplishments, Bill Clinton was pals with him. So were many other powerful men.

    Bill Clinton has a long history of extramarital affairs, usage of prostitutes, relations with very young women, and even rape.

    ABC news killed a story (back in 2016) that linked Clinton to Epstein’s prostitution ring.

    Ghislaine Maxwell’s father (media baron Robert Maxwell) was a Mossad agent. Reports indicate she’s hiding in Israel.

    A former Israeli Mossad agent told the media that Epstein and Maxwell were Mossad agents. The Epstein-Maxwell prostitution ring was being run to gather sexual blackmail tapes on powerful men, on behalf of Israel.

    Therefore, it’s probable that the following things are true.

    1. Epstein and Maxwell were Israeli Mossad agents. They were running a large-scale prosititution ring that targeted powerful men. The prostitutes were very young girls, with some of them being enslaved. The purpose of this prostitution ring was to gather blackmail for the Israeli govt.
    2. Bill Clinton raped sex slaves on Epstein’s properties (mansions, jet, island). Tapes of these rapes are in Israel.
    3. Epstein was a practitioner of Occult/Satanic rituals. This Occult activity was somehow connected in with debauched sexual activities.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  242. Jack D says:

    Tapes of these rapes are in Israel.

    Have you seen them? Is there ANY evidence that these actually exist other than your imagination?

  243. @Liza

    Wouldn’t the Iranians check to see if there’s any civilian traffic in the area around Tehran before they start shooting …

    Maybe not.

  244. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Not my taste in decorating but have you seen what modern art looks like?

    Well…this one was in Epstein’s townhouse.

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/epstein-had-bizarre-painting-of-bill-clinton-in-dress-heels-in-townhouse/

    Wonder where it will wind up?

  245. Jack D says:
    @Liza

    No, they were stupid questions. It was obvious the minute the plane went down that the Iranians had shot it down. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

  246. MEH 0910 says:

    Race realism and immigration control are GOOD impulses. Invite the World is the other side of the same BAD coin as Invade the World.

  247. @Dave Pinsen

    First of all, Iran is pretty mountainous. It’s possible for a low-flying plane to avoid detection in the border regions and only get detected some time later, deep inside the country. American stealth technology might make it even likelier – for example the plane might suddenly appear on the radar screen due to its weapons bays being opened. Or so an air defense operator might think.

    The radar didn’t follow it from the ground, all it could see was an object appearing on the screen (it could have come from behind some mountain, or from the neighboring air defense sector, where the operators were sleeping or incompetent, or whatever), moving relatively slowly, ascending. (Speed measurements might not always be very reliable, and ascending vs. descending was misread by the USS Vincennes operators as well.)

    Now, had it been an American plane or drone, it would have immediately noticed the AA radar, and unlike the AA operators, it wouldn’t have had to think about what it was. It would immediately take steps to destroy the AA radar station. They couldn’t wait for a minute to think about what it is – had it been an American plane, it’d have destroyed them if they had waited too long. So AA operators have maybe 10 seconds to decide.

    People tend to make the wrong decision when tired (the crisis had lasted for several days, and they had been waiting for the American response for several hours), when the stakes are high (a life and death decision – they could be killed themselves within a minute), when under time pressure – all these together combined can shave off maybe 30 IQ points.

    Working at a trading desk I’ve experienced myself (and of course other people) forgetting to check two points of a three-point checklist, and similar silly errors. (“How could I have been so stupid?”) The stakes are even higher at an air defense unit – it’s not merely about losing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, but also about killing innocents or getting killed yourself. Making mistakes is to be expected.

    Another issue is that the SA-15 is a short range road mobile unit, and might only have been temporarily sent to Tehran, so perhaps didn’t really know the area that well. It also probably wasn’t well integrated into the general air defense and civilian air traffic control systems. (It seems that their line to the civilians went down, and so they received no response to their question whether it was a civilian plane or not, which is why they decided to shoot it down.) But such mistakes can happen, especially on a first day of a war (well, there was no war, but had there been, this would’ve been the first day), I think it’s all very understandable, even if tragic and of course avoidable.

    However, these factors should’ve been known to the higher Iranian leadership. As you wrote elsewhere, the correct response to avoid such tragedies would’ve been to just shut down civilian air traffic altogether. So, the moment they launch their missiles, no more air traffic, until after it became clear that war would be averted.

    So while we can quibble about whether the air defense operators could’ve done better or not, or how their connection to the civilian air defense was set up, the truly big mistake was not shutting down civilian air traffic right after their missile strike at the American bases.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  248. @JohnnyWalker123

    Epstein was a practitioner of Occult/Satanic rituals. This Occult activity was somehow connected in with debauched sexual activities.

    No, he was just a parvenu rich guy who had shockingly bad taste. He was sexually inadeqate, never married, never had children.

    That building was not a mosque. The gold dome, which blew away in the big hurricane was a cover for the air-conditioner units. It was just a room with a view to observe the sunset and a patio outside. Not a mosque any more than this is a crusader castle.

  249. @reiner Tor

    the truly big mistake was not shutting down civilian air traffic right after their missile strike at the American bases.

    Absolutely, and probably cultural differences were a huge factor.

    In the US after 9/11 passenger flights were shut down for weeks, and college sports teams thousands of miles away on the west coast cancelled games against other teams on the west coast even a couple of weeks after the incident.

    I drove past an incident a couple of years ago where some cops in Florida had tried to arrest a vanful of illegal immigrants while it was still dark predawn on the busy 4-lane highway leading from I-95 to Fernandina Beach.

    One of the illegals, a Salvadorean, if I remember right, had ran away and a cop ran after him into the traffic and was hit and killed by a woman driving an SUV, while the illegal got clean away. (He was later arrested in Jacksonville).

    This happened while it was still dark, but at lunchtime, the police still had the road closed down with traffic tailed back for many miles and diverted through a KFC parking lot.

    That is how we do things in the USA. We put yellow tape everywhere, we close the roads and switch off the traffic lights and everyone is made to wash their hands and brush their hair if the President or Vice President will be driving through within the next hour.

    We declare general states of emergency and close all the schools when hurricanes are still days away and their course is uncertain.

    There is no way we allow civilian flights on the night of the missiles.

    In Iran that night there was obviously no risk manager on duty at the municipal airport to shut down passenger flights, because they probably have never heard of risk management, preferring to trust in the will and wit of Allah.

    One of the most useful teachings of Christianity is that human error is built in, so we are more used to the concept. Only popes and presidents are infallible enough to bend reality to their will.

  250. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    There is no way we allow civilian flights on the night of the missiles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

  251. @Sam Haysom

    I wouldn’t put Russia and Iran in the same category. Russia defeated Nazi Germany; Iran took 8 years to fight Iraq to a standstill.

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