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I haven’t been following as closely as I should the whole contretemps involving … ISIS? … ISIL? (ISIS, ISIL, USIS, USIL / Let’s call the whole thing off). But one interesting aspect is that a lot of the sharp edge of ISIS’s sword is comprised of its Chechens, rebel raiders exiled by Ramzan Kadyrov’s consolidation of power under Putin.

So even though Ramzan Kadyrov’s puppet regime in Chechnya looks like some kind of zany reality TV show, it’s also extremely serious stuff.

Chechens can be spectacular light cavalry fighters. Some have a huge amount of experience fighting the Russians, but they were already potent 20 years ago when they lured Yeltsin’s tanks into downtown Grozny, then routed them from high-rises, from above the angle the tanks could elevate their guns.

I’m extremely serious about never letting any more Chechens into this country. Man for man, they are the scariest combination of craziness and competence of the last generation.

The good news is that I get the vague impression that both the Bush and Obama Administrations have agreed with this appreciation, which is why the population of Chechens in the U.S. is barely over 100.

The bad news is that in our current culture, nobody is supposed to mention out loud that about half the great Russian writers in history (Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, and Solzhenitsyn) have gone out of their way to compose tributes / warnings about Chechens.

That’s profiling!

So it’s easy to imagine this apparent tacit understanding in the federal government being forgotten when some key official or two retires. If you can’t write things down, it’s much harder to remember them.

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    “I’m extremely serious about never letting any more Chechens into this country. Man for man, they are the scariest combination of craziness and competence of the last generation.”

    I’m all for more Chechens, especially in Boston, San Fran, NY, and etc.

    Given that yanomanos took over and blew up our immigration policy, how about NO MORE YANOMANO immigration?

    Chechens, dangerous as they are, will never amount to anything beyond petty terrorism. And in the US, they simply won’t have the numbers or conditions to do what they did in Grozny or Middle East.
    How many influential Chechens are there in Las Vegas, Wall Street, Hollywood, Washington, and etc to control our policies, including immigration policy.
    But there are lots of yanomanos in top positions and they’ve totally undermined America’s immigration policies that once used to be sane and secure.

    So, if we had to ban Chechens or Yanomanos, I would say say ban the latter. Indeed, if not for the immigration policy put in place by yanomanos, there wouldn’t be any Chechens in this country either.

    But as long as yanomanos piss on us from their blue citadels, it’d be a great idea to settle a whole bunch of Chechens in those places. Let the yanos have a taste of their own medicine.

  2. You forgot one smart thing that Chechens did.

    During the Cold War the Chechens, unlike the Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Cuban-Americans, never tried to ally themselves with the Paleos. I’m sure they could have.

    How did they know that the Paleos would stiff their friends at the first opportunity?

    • Replies: @Bill M
    @anony-mouse

    Paleos didn't and don't have political power domestically, let alone on the international stage where foreign alliances are made. It's meaningless to speak of them as having had alliances with the Ukes, Balts, Poles, et al.

  3. What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    • Replies: @Bill M
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    It's because Muhammad is believed to have had red hair. It's believed Muhammad was likely of Nordic stock:

    http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/nordicarabs.htm


    The Prophet Muhammad (AD 570-632), the founder of the Islamic religion, was apparently fair-skinned; a freedman, by the name of Umar, described the Prophet thus:

    "his face was not fat nor rounded; it was white tinged with red". [Guillaume (1987) 726.]

    Most authorities on the issue appear to agree that Muhammad was brunet, but Henric von Schwerin has stated that:

    "Red-hair is still honoured amongst Moslems as the Prophet Mohammed himself was reported to have red hair." [von Schwerin (1960) 27.]
     

    Replies: @anon

    , @Clyde
    @Laguna Beach Fogey


    What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?
     
    They are emulating Muhammad who is said to have dyed his beard with henna. But some European converts seem to have natural red or ginger beards
    , @Haploid
    @Laguna Beach Fogey


    What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?
     
    I assume it's some kind of Celto-Neanderthal fancy.
    , @OsRazor
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    "What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?"

    These two goons have red beards for the same reason a lot of Europeans have red beards--that's what they grow when they grow beards. Same reason a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews you see out there have red beards.

    It's pretty astonishing how White these buggers looks--someone said they look like Vikings, which is not far from the truth--much more so than the Boston retards. I've read somewhere that a lot of Chechens don't consider the Boston brothers to be true Chechens as their mother was Dagestani, much more Semitic/Asiatic looking.

    Also, a lot of the Muslim girls (we're talking a few hundred) from Europe who've gone to Syria to become brides for these ISIS creeps are said to have been attracted to the Chechen fighters. Also interesting is the theory posted here that Putin unleashed these Chechens in Syria to wipe out the anti-Assad forces favored by the West. Seems to be working. Should be interesting what happens now with Assad or whether the Chechens will be pushed further East in Iraq.

    Regardless, these Chechens seem to love to fight. True berzerkers for the 21st century. Keep them out, although it would be entertaining to see a mob of Blacks trying to take one of these guys on in the Streets of America.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Caleo
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    In the case of the Chechens, the red beards are natural color. There is a lot of red hair/green eyes among some caucasian tribes, particularly the Chechens and Dagestanis.

    , @rec1man
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    Red beard - the prophet Mohammed, used to dye his beard with henna, a reddish dye

    Good muslims are supposed to emulate the prophet ( the most perfect man ) in all things including dyeing their beards red

    Most islamic fundamentalists and terrorists therefore dye their beards red

    Obama's uncle is a islamic fundamentalist and dyes his beard red

    Hafeez Saeed, the head of Laskar-e-taiba, a pakistani terrorist group also dyes his beard red

    Replies: @Anonymous

  4. @anony-mouse
    You forgot one smart thing that Chechens did.

    During the Cold War the Chechens, unlike the Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Cuban-Americans, never tried to ally themselves with the Paleos. I'm sure they could have.

    How did they know that the Paleos would stiff their friends at the first opportunity?

    Replies: @Bill M

    Paleos didn’t and don’t have political power domestically, let alone on the international stage where foreign alliances are made. It’s meaningless to speak of them as having had alliances with the Ukes, Balts, Poles, et al.

  5. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’m skeptical that there are 200 or less Chechens in America, which has been the figure touted after the Bomb Brothers did their thing. How do they count that? Chechens are Russian citizens, many of whom permanently reside outside of Chechneya. (Didn’t Steve have a theory that Chechen mobsters in Moscow act as Putin’s Praetorian Guard, or far more precisely, his Varangian Guard?) Even Russian passports have not included ethnicity for over 15 years at this point.

  6. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    It’s because Muhammad is believed to have had red hair. It’s believed Muhammad was likely of Nordic stock:

    http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/nordicarabs.htm

    The Prophet Muhammad (AD 570-632), the founder of the Islamic religion, was apparently fair-skinned; a freedman, by the name of Umar, described the Prophet thus:

    “his face was not fat nor rounded; it was white tinged with red”. [Guillaume (1987) 726.]

    Most authorities on the issue appear to agree that Muhammad was brunet, but Henric von Schwerin has stated that:

    “Red-hair is still honoured amongst Moslems as the Prophet Mohammed himself was reported to have red hair.” [von Schwerin (1960) 27.]

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bill M

    Muhammad's appearance is quite well known (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilya). Muhammad's skin and hair color was ordinary. Red beards are Henna, it's an ancient tradition. Red tinctured skin is almost certainly just bad translation.

    Replies: @David

  7. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “…never tried to ally themselves with the Paleos. “

    The Paleos were not a force on the world stage then and they aren’t now. The neocons (i.e. Trotskyists) were the driving force behind the Cold War. The Trotsky/Stalin split (which was the same thing as the Jewish/Goyim split) was the key to it. Poles, Balts, etc. allied themselves with Trotskyists, i.e. neocons, i.e. the Jews, in the first Cold War. And they’re doing the same thing in the second one.

    Trotsky’s criticism of Stalin was that he wasn’t communist enough, that he didn’t collectivize enough, that he abandoned the cause of worldwide revolution, etc. The current color revolutions are worldwide revolution.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    John Batchelor has an article on this yesterday. Chechens lead way in ISIL war for dominance.

    I remember a Russian guy saying he always thought it was weird when as a kid he’d hear Chechen folk songs that would go like, “Bekbolat was a great man, he killed twenty men with his bare hands… Ahkmad was an even greater man, he killed 25 men with his bare hands.”

    I don’t think Chechens are any tougher than Russians (or other tough whites), they just have the psychotic mix of radical Islam/jihadism and a culture of war and death. And Chechens had seriously losing kill/killed ratio in both Chechen wars (especially part deux).

  9. OT: Another volley in WWT:

    mean girls at wellesley:

    “The 1968 Wellesley hoop-rolling contest. This year, the contest was won by a trans man.”

    “Last spring, as a sophomore, Timothy decided to run for a seat on the student-government cabinet, the highest position that an openly trans student had ever sought at Wellesley. The post he sought was multicultural affairs coordinator, or “MAC,” responsible for promoting “a culture of diversity” among students and staff and faculty members. Along with Timothy, three women of color indicated their intent to run for the seat. But when they dropped out for various unrelated reasons before the race really began, he was alone on the ballot. An anonymous lobbying effort began on Facebook, pushing students to vote “abstain.” Enough “abstains” would deny Timothy the minimum number of votes Wellesley required, forcing a new election for the seat and providing an opportunity for other candidates to come forward. The “Campaign to Abstain” argument was simple: Of all the people at a multiethnic women’s college who could hold the school’s “diversity” seat, the least fitting one was a white man.”

  10. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    They are emulating Muhammad who is said to have dyed his beard with henna. But some European converts seem to have natural red or ginger beards

  11. I have seen some people with Russian last names that are as swarthy as a Portuguese for example. I wonder if the darker Russians are really ethnically Russian or if most of them are ethnically Chechen, ethnically Jewish, or ethnically from the Caucasus region like Georgia for example.

    Notice that the Boston bombers of Chechen descent have darker hair and darker eyes than Vladimir Putin who has the more stereotypical Russian light features.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jefferson

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon, @Anonymous

    , @anon
    @Jefferson

    Most ethnicities are not very pure, contrary what some here may think. I'm "pure" Ashkenazi as far back as I can trace. One grandfather looks like Saddam, the other is blond and blue-eyed. Russian admixture is particularly noticeable because Russia was an empire that came in contact with a lot of people on the edges of Europe (and with the Mongols, before that), but Southern Italy has lots of Saracen admixture, as does Spain. The Balkans have Turkic admixture. Even France and Germany are not very homogenous. I imagine the Scandinavian countries are fairly "pure" but really, ethnic purity generally is not a real thing.

    If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @K.

  12. There’s a decent sized Chechen community in Jordan. They are allied with the Hashemites. The Russians organized special Chechen battalions for fighting in South Ossetia and Georgia. Surprisingly, there were linked to a number of kidnappings and disappearances. The Russians have also sent Chechen irregulars to help out in Syria so it would be interesting if they also ended up in ISIS.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Z Blog

    Chechens are also fighting on behalf of the Russians in Eastern Ukraine. They're essentially the new Cossacks--a warlike people subjugated by Muscovy who gain special privileges for it being Muscovy's enforcer and strike force.

  13. The Boston bombers look quite Woggish by Russian standards. They do not look very Slavic.

    And by Woggish I an using Australia’s definition which means Caucasoids who look Southern European/Middle Eastern.

    • Replies: @Ralph
    @Jefferson

    That's because they were Chechens. Chechens aren't Slavic.

  14. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    I assume it’s some kind of Celto-Neanderthal fancy.

  15. Yeah, I’d be very surprised if there were only a hundred “Chechens” residing in the USA. There’s a lot of fake documentation and self-identification by context; i.e., claiming one ethnic/national origin versus another depending on the circumstances.

    People gain super-hero abilities when it comes to self preservation. No one wants to suffer or croak, so persons at risk do whatever they can do survive or achieve their goals. Most middle class Americans don’t understand that, outside of our semi-permeable borders, there’s a lot of bad stuff going down.

    Until the perceived end of the Cold War there was a nagging, primitive urge for group — in this case national and cultural — self preservation. We lost, in a way, that will for self preservation and we’re now trying to make sense of things. To do the most effective thing — restrict immigration — is still considered “conservative.” But people dying and fears for the safety of family and loved ones tends to make even the most “progressive” hipster deadbolt the door.

  16. ISIS now has Vikings fighting for them?

  17. Priss Factor [AKA "pizza with hot pepper"] says:

    Chechens are cool. Duck Dynasty on steroids.

  18. I have seen some people with Russian last names who are as swarthy as a Portuguese for example.

    Among darker Russians, I wonder if the majority of them are really ethnically Russian or if the majority of them are ethnically from the Caucasus, ethnically Jewish, ethnically Tartar, or ethnically Chechen.

  19. Steve has talked about leapfrogging. That’s exactly what Poles, Balts and Western Ukrainians did when they allied with the neocons against the Russians in both Cold Wars.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anon

    That’s exactly what Poles, Balts and Western Ukrainians did when they allied with the neocons against the Russians in both Cold Wars.

    The Baltic States and the Ukraine were subjugated provinces of Soviet Russia. They were not 'allied' with anyone.

  20. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    - A lot of those swarthy types with Russian type names aren’t actually ethnically Russian but come from a wide range of eastern nationalities who are Russian citizens. Ossetians, Ingush, Abkhaz, Tatars, Kazakhs, Dagestanis, Uzbeks, etc etc. Some have a dark Caucasian appearance, others have Mongoloid features. The Russians themselves tend to vary quite a bit in appearance.

  21. @Jefferson
    I have seen some people with Russian last names that are as swarthy as a Portuguese for example. I wonder if the darker Russians are really ethnically Russian or if most of them are ethnically Chechen, ethnically Jewish, or ethnically from the Caucasus region like Georgia for example.

    Notice that the Boston bombers of Chechen descent have darker hair and darker eyes than Vladimir Putin who has the more stereotypical Russian light features.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @anon

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.
     
    Less than that:

    Abram Petrovich Gannibal
    Петровское. Бюст А.П. Ганнибала.jpg
    Abram Gannibal, bust in Petrovskoe
    Born 1696
    Died May 14, 1781 (aged 85)

    Major-General Abram Petrovich[1] Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal or Ibrahim Hannibal or Abram Petrov (Russian: Абра́м Петро́вич Ганниба́л; 1696 – 14 May[2] 1781), was an African kidnapped and brought to Russia as a gift for Peter the Great. He became a major-general, military engineer, governor of Reval and nobleman of the Russian Empire. He is perhaps best known today as the great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin,
     
    Great Grandfather: Full

    Grandfather: half

    Father: one quarter

    Pushkin: 12 and a half percent
    , @anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    General Gannibal was an Ethiopian. Ethiopians (especially elite ones) are very different from other black Africans.

    Replies: @K.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin's great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.

    Replies: @Bliss

  22. ISIS pays it’s fighters a reported 35E a day. Assuming a 7 day work week, that puts them broadly comparable to a USN e2. (It’s important to recall that some 8% of the USN are foreign born.) If the Navy staffs some 8% of effectively foreign mercenaries seeking E2 pay, it’s not surprising ISIS does the same.
    The USN “drafts” filipinos and mexicans, ISIS “drafts” chechens. There’s really nothing to see here save for who gets more fighting effectiveness for their 35E/45USD a day mercs.
    (p.s. don’t be so sure about ISIS getting the better deal. There isn’t a galley afloat that could tolerate it’s flips leaving)

  23. Allying with paleocons… It brings to mind all of those jokes about aspiring actresses so dumb that they slept with screenwriters. Contrary to all of the jokes that you’ve been told, Poles aren’t that dumb.

  24. @Anon
    Steve has talked about leapfrogging. That's exactly what Poles, Balts and Western Ukrainians did when they allied with the neocons against the Russians in both Cold Wars.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    That’s exactly what Poles, Balts and Western Ukrainians did when they allied with the neocons against the Russians in both Cold Wars.

    The Baltic States and the Ukraine were subjugated provinces of Soviet Russia. They were not ‘allied’ with anyone.

  25. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jefferson

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon, @Anonymous

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    Less than that:

    Abram Petrovich Gannibal
    Петровское. Бюст А.П. Ганнибала.jpg
    Abram Gannibal, bust in Petrovskoe
    Born 1696
    Died May 14, 1781 (aged 85)

    Major-General Abram Petrovich[1] Gannibal, also Hannibal or Ganibal or Ibrahim Hannibal or Abram Petrov (Russian: Абра́м Петро́вич Ганниба́л; 1696 – 14 May[2] 1781), was an African kidnapped and brought to Russia as a gift for Peter the Great. He became a major-general, military engineer, governor of Reval and nobleman of the Russian Empire. He is perhaps best known today as the great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin,

    Great Grandfather: Full

    Grandfather: half

    Father: one quarter

    Pushkin: 12 and a half percent

  26. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    I have seen some people with Russian last names that are as swarthy as a Portuguese for example. I wonder if the darker Russians are really ethnically Russian or if most of them are ethnically Chechen, ethnically Jewish, or ethnically from the Caucasus region like Georgia for example.

    Notice that the Boston bombers of Chechen descent have darker hair and darker eyes than Vladimir Putin who has the more stereotypical Russian light features.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @anon

    Most ethnicities are not very pure, contrary what some here may think. I’m “pure” Ashkenazi as far back as I can trace. One grandfather looks like Saddam, the other is blond and blue-eyed. Russian admixture is particularly noticeable because Russia was an empire that came in contact with a lot of people on the edges of Europe (and with the Mongols, before that), but Southern Italy has lots of Saracen admixture, as does Spain. The Balkans have Turkic admixture. Even France and Germany are not very homogenous. I imagine the Scandinavian countries are fairly “pure” but really, ethnic purity generally is not a real thing.

    If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Moscow is full of random Russians who look like more famous Russians, like Brezhnev and Putin, but who don't look much like each other. It's a big empire.

    , @K.
    @anon

    I recall a well-seasoned, well-informed traveler once telling me that southern Russians are basically slavified Turks.

  27. @anon
    @Jefferson

    Most ethnicities are not very pure, contrary what some here may think. I'm "pure" Ashkenazi as far back as I can trace. One grandfather looks like Saddam, the other is blond and blue-eyed. Russian admixture is particularly noticeable because Russia was an empire that came in contact with a lot of people on the edges of Europe (and with the Mongols, before that), but Southern Italy has lots of Saracen admixture, as does Spain. The Balkans have Turkic admixture. Even France and Germany are not very homogenous. I imagine the Scandinavian countries are fairly "pure" but really, ethnic purity generally is not a real thing.

    If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @K.

    Moscow is full of random Russians who look like more famous Russians, like Brezhnev and Putin, but who don’t look much like each other. It’s a big empire.

  28. A picture of one of Pushkin’s daughters, who was 1/16th black, can be found here:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пушкина,_Наталья_Александровна

    You can still see some sub-Saharan features.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Pushkin's death mask

    For 1/8, he still had clear negroid features. By far the greatest Russian writer or poet.

    , @mahaloeveryone
    @anon

    Wow, Puskin might not of been good looking, but his progeny sure are GORGEOUS!!!

    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    The artist could have been trying to emphasize the exotic qualities of her features. It's not a photograph that shows us what she really looked like. And this assumes that the portrait subject has been correctly identified.

  29. @The Z Blog
    There's a decent sized Chechen community in Jordan. They are allied with the Hashemites. The Russians organized special Chechen battalions for fighting in South Ossetia and Georgia. Surprisingly, there were linked to a number of kidnappings and disappearances. The Russians have also sent Chechen irregulars to help out in Syria so it would be interesting if they also ended up in ISIS.

    Replies: @anon

    Chechens are also fighting on behalf of the Russians in Eastern Ukraine. They’re essentially the new Cossacks–a warlike people subjugated by Muscovy who gain special privileges for it being Muscovy’s enforcer and strike force.

  30. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jefferson

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon, @Anonymous

    General Gannibal was an Ethiopian. Ethiopians (especially elite ones) are very different from other black Africans.

    • Replies: @K.
    @anon

    Once, I was being menaced by some Ghanans and an Ethiopian tried to intervene on my behalf.

    Ethiopian: "Let's talk this over, one black man to another."

    Ghanan: "You aren't black."

  31. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.”

    While this isn’t true, it does remind me of something. A very important advisor to Putin, a guy named Surkov, is half-Chechen and half-Russian. Very predictably he was raised by his Russian mother in a small Russian town after his Chechen father left her. Surkov is often called “the grey cardinal”. He represents liberal, anti-Russian-nationalist forces, forces of appeasement with the West, which is really appeasement with the neocons. A very popular Russian-nationalist view right now is that the czar has been badly served by treacherous advisors, chief of them Surkov.

    The man is extremenly smart, by the way. He has been managing the negotiations with Kiev and its owners over Novorossia, which many in Novorossia regard as surrender and treason.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    You are a loon. Describing Surkov as a liberal anti-nationalist is like calling John McCain a pacifist because he hasn't explicitly called for nuking Tehran.

  32. I thought that was Jase Robertson. Well, they both look like Orthodox priests.

    ***

    OT, classic Sailer-bait, chicks w/beards (and the Seven Sisters):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html?_r=0

    PS (I see someone else has noticed this)

  33. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “They’re essentially the new Cossacks”

    It should be said that the old Cossacks are overwhelmingly fighting on the Novorossian side. This is ironic because Ukrainian nationalists have done all they could to co-opt Cossack history as their own.

    Small numbers of Chechens have been noticed on both sides of the Donbass War.

    • Replies: @Sean c
    @anon

    "It should be said that the old Cossacks are overwhelmingly fighting on the Novorossian side. This is ironic because Ukrainian nationalists have done all they could to co-opt Cossack history as their own.

    Small numbers of Chechens have been noticed on both sides of the Donbass War."

    How many old cossacks could be left? A lot of left after the Revolution and those that stayed a lot of them were killed or scattered by Stalin. My grandfather was a Cossack and after fighting in WWI, Russian Revolution, and WWII he wasn't afraid to resort to violence to settle a dispute.

    Replies: @anon

  34. How many of these Chechens were exiled by Kadyrov/Putin vs Nicholas? The founder of ISIS, al-Zarqawi, is named for his home town Zarqa founded by Chechens in 1902. (cf Z’s comment)

  35. OT, classic Sailer-bait, chicks w/beards (and the Seven Sisters):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html?_r=0

    Wellesley College: 45% white; 24% Asian; 6% black; 6% Hispanic; 7% biracial (white/Asian?).

    Forget Google and Yahoo, I think the diversity police need to look into this ASAP!

  36. “I’m extremely serious about never letting any more Chechens into this country. Man for man, they are the scariest combination of craziness and competence of the last generation.”

    Pashtuns? Turks?

  37. Off Topic:

    Has anybody noticed all of these “innocent” people being released after many years in jail recently. The media claims it’s all because of “bad” testimony or coerced confessions. It’s almost like the media believe the police picked these suspects out of a phone book. A sign of late decadence methinks.

  38. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    “What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?”

    These two goons have red beards for the same reason a lot of Europeans have red beards–that’s what they grow when they grow beards. Same reason a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews you see out there have red beards.

    It’s pretty astonishing how White these buggers looks–someone said they look like Vikings, which is not far from the truth–much more so than the Boston retards. I’ve read somewhere that a lot of Chechens don’t consider the Boston brothers to be true Chechens as their mother was Dagestani, much more Semitic/Asiatic looking.

    Also, a lot of the Muslim girls (we’re talking a few hundred) from Europe who’ve gone to Syria to become brides for these ISIS creeps are said to have been attracted to the Chechen fighters. Also interesting is the theory posted here that Putin unleashed these Chechens in Syria to wipe out the anti-Assad forces favored by the West. Seems to be working. Should be interesting what happens now with Assad or whether the Chechens will be pushed further East in Iraq.

    Regardless, these Chechens seem to love to fight. True berzerkers for the 21st century. Keep them out, although it would be entertaining to see a mob of Blacks trying to take one of these guys on in the Streets of America.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @OsRazor


    True berzerkers for the 21st century. Keep them out, although it would be entertaining to see a mob of Blacks trying to take one of these guys on in the Streets of America.
     
    No need. We have Mexicans and Koreans for that.
  39. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kevinx

    Immigrants from third world start mom-and-pop bodegas in big cities. Not rerally post-worthy in my opinion. It was true whwen I was a kid before Kennedy tore down the walls. Back then these mom-and-pop entrepeneurs were mostly Jewish and Italian with a smattering of Greeks.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  40. “I’ve read somewhere that a lot of Chechens don’t consider the Boston brothers to be true Chechens as their mother was Dagestani..”

    Steve had a casual theory that this might have been one reason why the Boston brothers were so in to Checheny-ness.

  41. but if you want to have more gold medals in olympic wrestling you need more chechens

  42. Some have a huge amount of experience fighting the Russians, but they were already potent 20 years ago when they lured Yeltsin’s tanks into downtown Grozny, then routed them from high-rises, from above the angle the tanks could elevate their guns.

    This made me think of the good ol’ days of the Yeltsin era (i.e. the Rape of Russia) when any moment now Chechen mafia was expected to shoot up the Moscow restaurant where one dined.

    Chechens are a tough people to be sure, but they are hardly unique or superman-like. Historically, most mountain peoples who lived on border areas where life was harsh and conflict frequent have been tough, warlike, and criminally-prone, e.g. Scottish Highlanders, Pathans, Gurkhas, etc.

    Despite their warlike nature, they are usually too few and too backward to resist large modern armies for too long. They become much more formidable, however, when they become “light cavalry” (as Mr. Sailer put it), raiders, skirmishers, and foragers for organized armies. Then they benefit from both the organizing power of the modernity as well as their natural ferocity and brutality.

  43. @OsRazor
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    "What’s with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?"

    These two goons have red beards for the same reason a lot of Europeans have red beards--that's what they grow when they grow beards. Same reason a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews you see out there have red beards.

    It's pretty astonishing how White these buggers looks--someone said they look like Vikings, which is not far from the truth--much more so than the Boston retards. I've read somewhere that a lot of Chechens don't consider the Boston brothers to be true Chechens as their mother was Dagestani, much more Semitic/Asiatic looking.

    Also, a lot of the Muslim girls (we're talking a few hundred) from Europe who've gone to Syria to become brides for these ISIS creeps are said to have been attracted to the Chechen fighters. Also interesting is the theory posted here that Putin unleashed these Chechens in Syria to wipe out the anti-Assad forces favored by the West. Seems to be working. Should be interesting what happens now with Assad or whether the Chechens will be pushed further East in Iraq.

    Regardless, these Chechens seem to love to fight. True berzerkers for the 21st century. Keep them out, although it would be entertaining to see a mob of Blacks trying to take one of these guys on in the Streets of America.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    True berzerkers for the 21st century. Keep them out, although it would be entertaining to see a mob of Blacks trying to take one of these guys on in the Streets of America.

    No need. We have Mexicans and Koreans for that.

  44. If you walked into a group of 100 randomly selected Chechens, the vast majority—upward of 98—would never have had anything to do with violent crime.

  45. @anon
    "If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians."

    While this isn't true, it does remind me of something. A very important advisor to Putin, a guy named Surkov, is half-Chechen and half-Russian. Very predictably he was raised by his Russian mother in a small Russian town after his Chechen father left her. Surkov is often called "the grey cardinal". He represents liberal, anti-Russian-nationalist forces, forces of appeasement with the West, which is really appeasement with the neocons. A very popular Russian-nationalist view right now is that the czar has been badly served by treacherous advisors, chief of them Surkov.

    The man is extremenly smart, by the way. He has been managing the negotiations with Kiev and its owners over Novorossia, which many in Novorossia regard as surrender and treason.

    Replies: @anon

    You are a loon. Describing Surkov as a liberal anti-nationalist is like calling John McCain a pacifist because he hasn’t explicitly called for nuking Tehran.

  46. http://www.chechencenter.info/n/events/258-1.html

    In Brooklyn I have never seen an establishment claim to be Chechen, but the more generic KavKaz (Caucasian) is seen on restaurants and what appears to be social clubs.

    http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/

    • Replies: @anon
    @george

    To be fair, the Caucasuses are a pretty diverse (vibrant?) place, with Christian Armenians and Georgians, dark-featured mountain Jews, and obviously many different Moslem groups. All these people have somewhat similar food, somewhat similar fiery temperaments, somewhat similar view on women (I was once talking to a Dagestani girl in the middle of the day in a public place after she struck up a conversation when her brother walks up to me and threatens to kill me). So I imagine that a Azerbaijani immigrant in Brooklyn who has a hankering for some food from the old country could go to a Georgian restaurant to eat there.

  47. @Jefferson
    The Boston bombers look quite Woggish by Russian standards. They do not look very Slavic.

    And by Woggish I an using Australia's definition which means Caucasoids who look Southern European/Middle Eastern.

    Replies: @Ralph

    That’s because they were Chechens. Chechens aren’t Slavic.

  48. “I’m extremely serious about never letting any more Chechens into this country. Man for man, they are the scariest combination of craziness and competence of the last generation.

    The good news is that I get the vague impression that both the Bush and Obama Administrations have agreed with this appreciation, which is why the population of Chechens in the U.S. is barely over 100.”

    We’re off the Chechens now. Our new kick is Ebola victims. Those guys are really vibrant. It’s bound to work out great.

  49. “Jason says:

    Paleos didn’t and don’t have political power domestically, let alone on the international stage where foreign alliances are made. It’s meaningless to speak of them as having had alliances with the Ukes, Balts, Poles, et al.”

    You will find that nearly everything that anony-mouse says is wrong.

    Who was the last half-way serious paleo-con candidate for President? Taft? As you say, paleos haven’t had any real power for a long time, since at least Coolidge.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, I remember those days well. Dark days for Russia. After the crazy, demented incompetence of Gorbachev – he basically made a once proud nation publicly masturbate for coins in an Uncle Sam showman sideshow, Russia was cursed by an even madder, eviller incompetent wrecker. Boris Yeltsin, The Economist magazine’s wet dream come true. Reduced his nation to a load of grass eating prostitutes, with a lucrative line in exporting human cadavers and body parts for cash. Oh, and certain coterie of tribalists coddled up to the Yeltsin family basically snaffled the whole of Siberia’s natural resources, which as every school boy knows is by far the richest most bountiful treasury on the planet. All so that The Economist could describe him as ‘smart’. If I had to pick out what is the real mark of the Beast upon earth, it’s that last sentence. When you here that phrase uttered, it’s throat slitting time.
    Enough of all that. During that nasty little Chechen conflab, the west – because they have an instinctive racially based hatred of Russian, more or less rooted for the Chechens and backed them up to the hilt. The usual wanker moans about Russians ‘abusing human rights’. Western nations supplied arms, money band succor to the Chechens because they delighted and gloried in the fact that Russians were getting killed. The Economist showed its true colors by stopping its full some praise of Yeltsin for a moment to ritually denounce him for his incompetent efforts at stopping Chechen aggression.
    Now we learn that Chechens are the cutting edge of ISIS, the real nightmare of the west made flesh.
    As you sow, you shall reap.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Anonymous


    Now we learn that Chechens are the cutting edge of ISIS, the real nightmare of the west made flesh. As you sow, you shall reap.
     
    OK, but when does the reaping start? Looks to me like the neocons are getting what they wanted out of ISIS. They have cover to expand their operations in Syria, and the only cost is that they have to ineffectually drop a bomb every now and then in the general direction of their ISIS buddies. What's not to like?

    Maybe some day in the future ISIS will slip entirely out of their control and do something like effectually attacking Israel (or overthrowing the government of Jordan or Egypt or something), but no time soon. So far, they are mostly attacking people the neocons don't like. By coincidence, of course.
  51. “If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.”

    I was with a Russian friend recently when we ran into a friend of hers from Crimea. He looked dark skinned, so later I asked her whether or not he was a Tartar. She replied that he says he is Russian, and that she does not know whether he is a Tartar, but probably was. She added that I shouldn’t ask, because it is better not to speak about it.

    She elaborated that in Russia people still feel very sensitive about this, and that most members of ethnic minorities want to emphasize that they are as fully Russian as the next guy. Speaking about their ethnic origins can be viewed as questioning their Russian-ness, and can thus offend.

    It sounds sort of like how things were in America not too long ago, when people wanted to emphasize that they were simply Americans, rather than hyphenated Americans.

  52. This Russian actor is an example of a Wog looking Russian. He was in the Denzel Washington film “The Equalizer” where he played a Russian gangster. He looks similar to my uncle who is Sicilian.

  53. anon • Disclaimer says:

    youtube video

    A cool helmet cam video of soldiers in Afghanistan. A Taliban sniper shoots a US soldier in head, but kevlar helmet saves him. No injury save a likely concussion.

    Also a good demonstration of IQ in action. The stocky guy calls into the radio “My teammate just got shot in the helmet” and the guy with the helmet cam prompts him to convey that the guy is uninjured.

    Then they walk over to communicate with other soldiers–yelling across open ground. Once again, the stocky guy jumps forward to yell “DUDE, my teammate just got shot in the head”. Once again, the helmet cam guy preempts any confusion by adding without prompt “he’s good.”

    The stocky guy just doesn’t seem to comprehend the potential miscommunication he is conveying. Did it twice. The guy reminds me of the archetypal loud, drunk, male airhead/jock from college parties.

    Helmet cam guy takes it in stride– probably used to filling-in for that guy’s deficiencies.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @anon

    It's not a matter of IQ but having nerves of steel when shit like this happens. Some guys panic and others don't.

  54. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    The latest from “the bachelor”

    Australia’s the bachelor is still relevant even after its finished airing because the bachelor dumped the girl shortly after the show finished. Apparently this is sexist and #notallwomen and all that.

    The bachelor:

    The Girl, Sam:

    The daily Mail Reports:

    Moving on: While Sam has scored a modeling contract, Blake [The bachelor] is nowhere to be seen

    Just in case you forgot:
    http://isteve.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/nyt-nonwhite-hispanic-bachelors.html

  55. anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Handle, a new inductee to the hall of shame…

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/barry-spurr-emails-investigated-by-university-of-sydney-20141016-1179kj.html

    A respected Australian academic’s private emails were leaked to the public. His 2 minutes of hate begin:

    In a statement, the University of Sydney said it was investigating the “offensive emails” to see if “any breaches of the code of conduct” had occurred.

    “The university takes the allegations very seriously … Racist, sexist or offensive language is not tolerated at the University of Sydney.”

    That’s the same university that employed Enoch Powell as a Full Professor at 25…

  56. @Bill M
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    It's because Muhammad is believed to have had red hair. It's believed Muhammad was likely of Nordic stock:

    http://marchofthetitans.com/earlson/nordicarabs.htm


    The Prophet Muhammad (AD 570-632), the founder of the Islamic religion, was apparently fair-skinned; a freedman, by the name of Umar, described the Prophet thus:

    "his face was not fat nor rounded; it was white tinged with red". [Guillaume (1987) 726.]

    Most authorities on the issue appear to agree that Muhammad was brunet, but Henric von Schwerin has stated that:

    "Red-hair is still honoured amongst Moslems as the Prophet Mohammed himself was reported to have red hair." [von Schwerin (1960) 27.]
     

    Replies: @anon

    Muhammad’s appearance is quite well known (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilya). Muhammad’s skin and hair color was ordinary. Red beards are Henna, it’s an ancient tradition. Red tinctured skin is almost certainly just bad translation.

    • Replies: @David
    @anon

    That's interesting. The hair of many ancient Greek statues was painted red. In college I was told this was done to indicate the lightest possible skin, like Irish people, paleness being deemed generally more attractive and godly.

  57. @Kevinx
    Have you noticed this? Worthy of a post?

    http://www.vox.com/2014/10/15/6971839/immigrants-self-employed-entrepreneurs

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Immigrants from third world start mom-and-pop bodegas in big cities. Not rerally post-worthy in my opinion. It was true whwen I was a kid before Kennedy tore down the walls. Back then these mom-and-pop entrepeneurs were mostly Jewish and Italian with a smattering of Greeks.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I notice that the share of foreign entrepreneurs declines as the city gets whiter (Pittsburgh, Boston, Minneapolis) goes down. No ghettoes in which to open usurious bodegas.

  58. OT: Sarah Silverman runs afoul of WWT:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/sarah-silverman-equal-pay-video-backlash-transgender_n_5978038.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046

    Prediction: as a liberal Jewish female, she will be granted a temporary conditional pass, as this appears to be a first offense.

    • Replies: @HA
    @BenjaminL

    "as a liberal Jewish female, she will be granted a temporary conditional pass, as this appears to be a first offense."

    It is not.

  59. Here’s a conspiracy theory for you: the reason the gov’t claims it’s impossible to stop Ebola-infected West Africans from coming here is this: if they did stop them, it would demonstrate that they can in fact control the border if they want to.

  60. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    In the case of the Chechens, the red beards are natural color. There is a lot of red hair/green eyes among some caucasian tribes, particularly the Chechens and Dagestanis.

  61. anon: “I imagine the Scandinavian countries are fairly “pure” but really, ethnic purity generally is not a real thing.”

    Northern Europeans are a mixed race to begin with: the place used to be covered with ice and it was repopulated from multiple sources which are now getting identified in the genes. Scandinavian purity is an illusion coming from the fact that their recorded history is short so we don’t know what peoples went in that mix.

    Pigmentation variation extends much further east than most Westerners realize, even in physical anthropology. First there’s the problem that the whole “Nordic looks” thing was a big part of Germanic romanticism so Western authors consistently exaggerated the depigmentation of their own ethnic group but the Russians didn’t. Then there’s the problem that Western anthropologists were not really welcomed in Russia even during Tsarist times and after the revolution it got hard to even get inside Russia legally so Western anthropology was mostly working blind on Russia.

    And then there’s all the circular reasoning like “the blondes must be from the assimilated Viking colonies, so discard the photos of blonde Russians and count only the various exotic looking people as Russian types”. None of this was ever corrected because after the war anthropology in the West has been all about demonizing the whole idea that the physical features of mankind are a subject that should be studied. Ironically a lot of bad claims of Germanic romanticists survive because the anti-Nazi taboo makes the whole subject impossible to discuss.

  62. @anon
    A picture of one of Pushkin's daughters, who was 1/16th black, can be found here:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пушкина,_Наталья_Александровна

    You can still see some sub-Saharan features.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @mahaloeveryone, @Anonymous

    Pushkin’s death mask

    For 1/8, he still had clear negroid features. By far the greatest Russian writer or poet.

  63. “which is why the population of Chechens in the U.S. is barely over 100.”

    How exactly do you tell a Chechen from an Azerbaijani Dagestani Georgian ect? It’s sort of like saying you’re going to have unrestricted immigration from Italy, just no one from Palermo.

    Chechens show why forced assimilation is a bad idea. Centuries of forced assimilation has resulted in Chechens who speak Russian, look Russian, have Russian names, and are not distinguishable from Russians. Only Chechens know who is a Chechen. So think about that when you demand that various ethnic groups in the US assimilate into the White mainstream. Next time you take a flight think about the people sifting through the travelers, do they look like they can pick out the Chechens from the Azerbaijanis?

  64. ISIS: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
    ISIL: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

    ISIL is used exclusively by the Whitehouse. “Levant” implies a direct threat to Israel proper, while simply using “ISIS” seems to contain the threat to only Syria and Iraq.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Walter

    Most Americans probably don't know what "Levant" even means though.

    , @Art Deco
    @Walter

    Again, "Syria" was once a common generic which applied to the territories of the eastern Mediterranean. The Syrian Popular Party (later the Syrian Social Nationalist Party) was a promoter in Syria and Lebanon of the notion of a Greater Syria (initially including the territories now occupied by Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, and the West Bank and Gaza, later extended to include Iraq and Cyprus). Lebanese politics prior to 1975 was on one dimension between those promoting a Lebanese self-concept and those promoting an Arab one, with the purveyors of 'Greater Syria' a third current.

  65. The most deplorable one [AKA "The fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Northern Europeans are a mixed race to begin with: the place used to be covered with ice and it was repopulated from multiple sources which are now getting identified in the genes. Scandinavian purity is an illusion coming from the fact that their recorded history is short so we don’t know what peoples went in that mix.

    Well, pretty much every group is mixed in one way or another, but I can tell the difference between Europeans, East Asians, Sub-Saharan Africans, Polynesians … just by looking at them.

  66. @BenjaminL
    OT: Sarah Silverman runs afoul of WWT:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/sarah-silverman-equal-pay-video-backlash-transgender_n_5978038.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046

    Prediction: as a liberal Jewish female, she will be granted a temporary conditional pass, as this appears to be a first offense.

    Replies: @HA

    “as a liberal Jewish female, she will be granted a temporary conditional pass, as this appears to be a first offense.”

    It is not.

  67. As Sailer says, Russians look different from one another. I have a friend who moved here from Moscow in his teens who is blonde and blue eyed but seems to have epicanthic folds and other subtle “Mongol” facial features. Both his parents look like typical white people and could pass for Polish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Enderby

    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan's army raping his ancestresses.

    Replies: @Bliss

    , @Hacienda
    @Enderby

    The Polish phenotype seems to have a lot a Mongoloid around the edges.

    http://media.tumblr.com/e984f4d5f4751dcdbb822bbe5f06a47b/tumblr_inline_mxzinp0rg51rbsjtb.jpg

    http://visboo.com/img/first/polish_people_having_fun_640_04.jpg

  68. @anon
    A picture of one of Pushkin's daughters, who was 1/16th black, can be found here:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пушкина,_Наталья_Александровна

    You can still see some sub-Saharan features.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @mahaloeveryone, @Anonymous

    Wow, Puskin might not of been good looking, but his progeny sure are GORGEOUS!!!

  69. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Both times the stocky guy said his teammate got shot in the helmet, not the head. The camera guy was just quick to say he’s good, but the stocky guy also was relaying this info and the camera guy interrupted him and beat him to it. I don’t think this was miscommunication at all and conveyed that they have an active sniper because a round struck his teammate’s protective gear.

  70. I like to think of Chechens as hyper-violent Gypsies. Like Gypsies, they live by an opaque code that seems self-defeating to outsiders, but makes perfect sense to them. More important, the rules of the surrounding world have no meaning to the Chechen and that includes the moral underpinnings of those laws. They never ask why the door is locked. They just try to pick it.

    The right answer handed down through time is to do what you must to keep these people out of your lands. That means our rulers will be determined to invite them in as soon as possible.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @The Z Blog

    Gypsies are about 7x as numerous as Chechens and are scattered all over Europe. Their troublesome activity consists of con jobs, often very crude cons (and trashing public spaces). I'm not seeing the analogy to a comparatively small, obscure, and concentrated population of montagnards that hardly anyone outside Russia had ever heard of prior to 1992.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

  71. Slightly off topic, but we are talking about questionable ethnicity. I saw this yesterday and immediately thought of Steve’s “mulatto elite” idea. This is a Professor of History and Africana Studies at the University of Pennsylvania:

    https://www.sas.upenn.edu/news/eve-troutt-powell-serve-sas-associate-dean-graduate-studies

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Troutt_Powell

    Doesn’t look very African now does she? Is there a reason “black” professors at the most prestigious universities are almost always so light? I think we all know the answer to that question!

  72. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @george
    http://www.chechencenter.info/n/events/258-1.html

    In Brooklyn I have never seen an establishment claim to be Chechen, but the more generic KavKaz (Caucasian) is seen on restaurants and what appears to be social clubs.

    http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/

    Replies: @anon

    To be fair, the Caucasuses are a pretty diverse (vibrant?) place, with Christian Armenians and Georgians, dark-featured mountain Jews, and obviously many different Moslem groups. All these people have somewhat similar food, somewhat similar fiery temperaments, somewhat similar view on women (I was once talking to a Dagestani girl in the middle of the day in a public place after she struck up a conversation when her brother walks up to me and threatens to kill me). So I imagine that a Azerbaijani immigrant in Brooklyn who has a hankering for some food from the old country could go to a Georgian restaurant to eat there.

  73. Did some quick reading on Chechen history on Wikipedia, their capital was razed by a Mongolion named Batu Khan, conquered by Ivan the Terrible, suffered forced ethnic displacement under Stalin and most recently Grosny turned into rubble by Putin. This probably has probably made them a bit rough around the edges…

  74. >half the great Russian writers in history (Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, and Solzhenitsyn) have gone out of their way to compose tributes / warnings about Chechens

    And only one of the above, Count Leo Tolstoy, is Russian.

    Pushkin – black

    Lermontov – Michael Learmont the Scot

    Solzhenitsyn – Cossack.

    Not in above but out of the other half (Turgenev, Chekhov, Dostoevsky, Gorki and Pasternak) the last two are not Russian but Scot-Irish.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @colm

    Many of your information is inaccurate...

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites. Someone linked to a picture of one of his daughters, with the comment that she still has some sub-Saharan features... I couldn't see any of those features in the picture, to be honest.

    Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian, so yeah, one could call him a Cossack. But both Cossacks and Ukrainians are at least somewhat related to Russians, and he had a strong Russian identity. (Actually, he personally thought Ukrainians and Cossacks were just a special subset of Russians.)

    As to Gorky, I haven't found any evidence of his supposed Jewish (I guess that's what "Scot-Irish" meant in this context) ancestry. Pasternak really was Jewish, though.

    Replies: @anon, @Bliss, @Bliss

  75. @Anonymous
    Yes, I remember those days well. Dark days for Russia. After the crazy, demented incompetence of Gorbachev - he basically made a once proud nation publicly masturbate for coins in an Uncle Sam showman sideshow, Russia was cursed by an even madder, eviller incompetent wrecker. Boris Yeltsin, The Economist magazine's wet dream come true. Reduced his nation to a load of grass eating prostitutes, with a lucrative line in exporting human cadavers and body parts for cash. Oh, and certain coterie of tribalists coddled up to the Yeltsin family basically snaffled the whole of Siberia's natural resources, which as every school boy knows is by far the richest most bountiful treasury on the planet. All so that The Economist could describe him as 'smart'. If I had to pick out what is the real mark of the Beast upon earth, it's that last sentence. When you here that phrase uttered, it's throat slitting time.
    Enough of all that. During that nasty little Chechen conflab, the west - because they have an instinctive racially based hatred of Russian, more or less rooted for the Chechens and backed them up to the hilt. The usual wanker moans about Russians 'abusing human rights'. Western nations supplied arms, money band succor to the Chechens because they delighted and gloried in the fact that Russians were getting killed. The Economist showed its true colors by stopping its full some praise of Yeltsin for a moment to ritually denounce him for his incompetent efforts at stopping Chechen aggression.
    Now we learn that Chechens are the cutting edge of ISIS, the real nightmare of the west made flesh.
    As you sow, you shall reap.

    Replies: @Bill

    Now we learn that Chechens are the cutting edge of ISIS, the real nightmare of the west made flesh. As you sow, you shall reap.

    OK, but when does the reaping start? Looks to me like the neocons are getting what they wanted out of ISIS. They have cover to expand their operations in Syria, and the only cost is that they have to ineffectually drop a bomb every now and then in the general direction of their ISIS buddies. What’s not to like?

    Maybe some day in the future ISIS will slip entirely out of their control and do something like effectually attacking Israel (or overthrowing the government of Jordan or Egypt or something), but no time soon. So far, they are mostly attacking people the neocons don’t like. By coincidence, of course.

  76. OT from this article: A set of mugshots that nicely prove Sailer’s theory about the decreasing IQ of common criminals. With cameras everywhere and information flowing everywhere, guys like these have to carry the heavy burden of thievery….

    https://www.facebook.com/SpokaneNews/photos/a.10151199981140706.438572.313410325705/10152329327580706/?type=1

  77. Those in Jail think they are kinder, more trustworthy and honest than the average member of the public

    http://digest.bps.org.uk/2014/02/jailed-criminals-think-they-are-kinder.html

    This must be some sort of paradox.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @Hard Line Realist

    No, it's gaming the psychologists who evaluate them. Long time convicts are very adept at reading the shrinks and telling the little egomaniacs exactly what they want to hear.

    Look at the fan base of a multiple murderer like "tookie" Williams. It shows a decent IQ isn't a shield against being suckered by common street thug.

  78. @anon
    youtube video

    A cool helmet cam video of soldiers in Afghanistan. A Taliban sniper shoots a US soldier in head, but kevlar helmet saves him. No injury save a likely concussion.

    Also a good demonstration of IQ in action. The stocky guy calls into the radio "My teammate just got shot in the helmet" and the guy with the helmet cam prompts him to convey that the guy is uninjured.

    Then they walk over to communicate with other soldiers--yelling across open ground. Once again, the stocky guy jumps forward to yell "DUDE, my teammate just got shot in the head". Once again, the helmet cam guy preempts any confusion by adding without prompt "he's good."

    The stocky guy just doesn't seem to comprehend the potential miscommunication he is conveying. Did it twice. The guy reminds me of the archetypal loud, drunk, male airhead/jock from college parties.

    Helmet cam guy takes it in stride-- probably used to filling-in for that guy's deficiencies.

    Replies: @rod1963

    It’s not a matter of IQ but having nerves of steel when shit like this happens. Some guys panic and others don’t.

  79. @Enderby
    As Sailer says, Russians look different from one another. I have a friend who moved here from Moscow in his teens who is blonde and blue eyed but seems to have epicanthic folds and other subtle "Mongol" facial features. Both his parents look like typical white people and could pass for Polish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hacienda

    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan’s army raping his ancestresses.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    @Steve Sailer


    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan’s army raping his ancestresses.
     
    Centuries under the Mongol Yoke had to have left its trace in the russian population. I have read that at least 20% of the russian nobility had mongol blood. That must include the greatest russian novelist Leo Tolstoy who was born into the aristocracy:

    http://www.albertsuckow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/leo-tolstoy.jpg

    Replies: @colm

  80. @Hard Line Realist
    Those in Jail think they are kinder, more trustworthy and honest than the average member of the public

    http://digest.bps.org.uk/2014/02/jailed-criminals-think-they-are-kinder.html

    This must be some sort of paradox.

    Replies: @rod1963

    No, it’s gaming the psychologists who evaluate them. Long time convicts are very adept at reading the shrinks and telling the little egomaniacs exactly what they want to hear.

    Look at the fan base of a multiple murderer like “tookie” Williams. It shows a decent IQ isn’t a shield against being suckered by common street thug.

  81. @Walter
    ISIS: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
    ISIL: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

    ISIL is used exclusively by the Whitehouse. "Levant" implies a direct threat to Israel proper, while simply using "ISIS" seems to contain the threat to only Syria and Iraq.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    Most Americans probably don’t know what “Levant” even means though.

  82. @Laguna Beach Fogey
    What's with all the red beards worn by Muslim fanatics, especially the converts?

    Replies: @Bill M, @Clyde, @Haploid, @OsRazor, @Caleo, @rec1man

    Red beard – the prophet Mohammed, used to dye his beard with henna, a reddish dye

    Good muslims are supposed to emulate the prophet ( the most perfect man ) in all things including dyeing their beards red

    Most islamic fundamentalists and terrorists therefore dye their beards red

    Obama’s uncle is a islamic fundamentalist and dyes his beard red

    Hafeez Saeed, the head of Laskar-e-taiba, a pakistani terrorist group also dyes his beard red

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @rec1man

    Barbarossa (lit. Red Beard) was a famous Muslim corsair, terror of the Med in his day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Mind, the Vikings called Thor "Old Red Beard".

  83. @Walter
    ISIS: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria
    ISIL: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

    ISIL is used exclusively by the Whitehouse. "Levant" implies a direct threat to Israel proper, while simply using "ISIS" seems to contain the threat to only Syria and Iraq.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    Again, “Syria” was once a common generic which applied to the territories of the eastern Mediterranean. The Syrian Popular Party (later the Syrian Social Nationalist Party) was a promoter in Syria and Lebanon of the notion of a Greater Syria (initially including the territories now occupied by Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, and the West Bank and Gaza, later extended to include Iraq and Cyprus). Lebanese politics prior to 1975 was on one dimension between those promoting a Lebanese self-concept and those promoting an Arab one, with the purveyors of ‘Greater Syria’ a third current.

  84. @The Z Blog
    I like to think of Chechens as hyper-violent Gypsies. Like Gypsies, they live by an opaque code that seems self-defeating to outsiders, but makes perfect sense to them. More important, the rules of the surrounding world have no meaning to the Chechen and that includes the moral underpinnings of those laws. They never ask why the door is locked. They just try to pick it.

    The right answer handed down through time is to do what you must to keep these people out of your lands. That means our rulers will be determined to invite them in as soon as possible.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Gypsies are about 7x as numerous as Chechens and are scattered all over Europe. Their troublesome activity consists of con jobs, often very crude cons (and trashing public spaces). I’m not seeing the analogy to a comparatively small, obscure, and concentrated population of montagnards that hardly anyone outside Russia had ever heard of prior to 1992.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @Art Deco

    Gypsies and Chechens are unique groups of humans outside the rest of humanity. Scoop up a bunch of Lebanese and drop them in Watertown Mass and they will blend into the Yankee culture, for the most part. Scoop up a bunch of Chechens or Gypsies and drop them in Watertown Mass and they make war on their new neighbors in the way they know best.

    What puts both into a separate silo from the rest of us is what appears to be a biological inability to get along with humans outside their group. Gypsies don't run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That's what pulls the wagon. Similarly, Chechens love violence and mayhem. There's profit in it, but Chechen males will fight in Central Asia because that's what they have always done. It is who they are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

  85. “The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan’s army raping his ancestresses.”

    Even some Russian Jews look vaguely Mongolian like Roseanne Barr and Joseph Gordon Levitt for example. It does not seem to be limited to just Russian Gentiles.

  86. Russians look like they occupy a middle ground between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans in terms of phenotype. You see more darker types among Russians than you do among Northern Europeans, but you also see more blond types among Russians than you do among Southern Europeans.

    • Replies: @Chubby Ape
    @Jefferson

    "Russians look like they occupy a middle ground between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans in terms of phenotype."

    True. You post reminded me of a recent video posted at YouTube by the rebel side in eastern Ukraine showing the commander of the "Somalia Battalion", who calls himself "Givi". You can see in this video he looks roughly Spanish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLY96rNvqGJm9ykZ9AZ0kGAqq2VY2ijsLB&v=K9k05CbXmqE

    The other battalion commander involved in that siege of the airport at Donetsk looks stereotypically Russian. He calls himself "Motorola" if you want to find him on YouTube. Both Givi and Motorola have their fans though; there's video of Motorola on his ATV signing autographs for kids in downtown Donetsk and Givi has lady interviewers on YouTube asking him if he's married.

  87. @Enderby
    As Sailer says, Russians look different from one another. I have a friend who moved here from Moscow in his teens who is blonde and blue eyed but seems to have epicanthic folds and other subtle "Mongol" facial features. Both his parents look like typical white people and could pass for Polish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hacienda

    The Polish phenotype seems to have a lot a Mongoloid around the edges.

  88. “Red beard – the prophet Mohammed, used to dye his beard with henna, a reddish dye

    Good muslims are supposed to emulate the prophet ( the most perfect man ) in all things including dyeing their beards red

    Most islamic fundamentalists and terrorists therefore dye their beards red

    Obama’s uncle is a islamic fundamentalist and dyes his beard red

    Hafeez Saeed, the head of Laskar-e-taiba, a pakistani terrorist group also dyes his beard red”

    Red beards look weird in men who are not as pasty pale as a Scotsman. Can you imagine the Brown complexion Osama Bin Laden dying his beard red.

  89. @anon
    "They’re essentially the new Cossacks"

    It should be said that the old Cossacks are overwhelmingly fighting on the Novorossian side. This is ironic because Ukrainian nationalists have done all they could to co-opt Cossack history as their own.

    Small numbers of Chechens have been noticed on both sides of the Donbass War.

    Replies: @Sean c

    “It should be said that the old Cossacks are overwhelmingly fighting on the Novorossian side. This is ironic because Ukrainian nationalists have done all they could to co-opt Cossack history as their own.

    Small numbers of Chechens have been noticed on both sides of the Donbass War.”

    How many old cossacks could be left? A lot of left after the Revolution and those that stayed a lot of them were killed or scattered by Stalin. My grandfather was a Cossack and after fighting in WWI, Russian Revolution, and WWII he wasn’t afraid to resort to violence to settle a dispute.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Sean c

    Russian census puts the number of Cossacks in 2010 at 67k

  90. @colm
    >half the great Russian writers in history (Pushkin, Lermontov, Tolstoy, and Solzhenitsyn) have gone out of their way to compose tributes / warnings about Chechens

    And only one of the above, Count Leo Tolstoy, is Russian.

    Pushkin - black

    Lermontov - Michael Learmont the Scot

    Solzhenitsyn - Cossack.

    Not in above but out of the other half (Turgenev, Chekhov, Dostoevsky, Gorki and Pasternak) the last two are not Russian but Scot-Irish.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Many of your information is inaccurate…

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites. Someone linked to a picture of one of his daughters, with the comment that she still has some sub-Saharan features… I couldn’t see any of those features in the picture, to be honest.

    Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian, so yeah, one could call him a Cossack. But both Cossacks and Ukrainians are at least somewhat related to Russians, and he had a strong Russian identity. (Actually, he personally thought Ukrainians and Cossacks were just a special subset of Russians.)

    As to Gorky, I haven’t found any evidence of his supposed Jewish (I guess that’s what “Scot-Irish” meant in this context) ancestry. Pasternak really was Jewish, though.

    • Replies: @anon
    @reiner Tor

    "Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets."

    The Russian elite, probably like most European elites, was particularly mixed with other European ethnicities. Russia, as a big empire, ruled over Germans in the Baltics, Georgians in the Caucauses, Poles in Poland. The non-Russian aristocrats there became Russian aristocrats (the former kings of Georgia became Princes Bagrationi, one of the most famous Russian noble houses), coming to court, serving as military commanders and government officials, and intermarrying with the ethnic Russian aristocracy. Before the French Revolution and all that followed, patriotism wasn't all that powerful a force in Europe. It was entirely normal for a German aristocrat from the Saxon electorate to go to Russia and serve in its military. After Peter the Great, Russia did much to attract top talent from Europe to help bring it up to speed with the rest of the continent. The great Napoleonic-era Russia Field Marshal Barclay de Tolly was a Baltic aristocrat descended from lowland Scots who had adopted German Lutheran culture. The defeated commander at Freidland was the German Count Bennigsen. The great White commander of the civil war was another Baltic German, Baron Wrangel.

    , @Bliss
    @reiner Tor


    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites.
     
    Wrong. Thanks to inbreeding among russian aristocratic lineages Pushkin was a quadroon, and he looked it. He was very proud of his african ancestry.

    Btw, Czar Peter the Great under whom Pushkins african ancestor served as General and Royal Engineer himself looked unlike the typical russian. He looked more like a part-gypsy or middle-easterner than a slav or viking. Take a look:

    http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Peter-the-Great-DEATH.jpg

    Replies: @colm

    , @Bliss
    @reiner Tor


    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian
     
    Solzhenitsyn looked part-mongoloid, like so many prominent russians:

    http://www.acton.org/sites/v4.acton.org/files/international/images/Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.jpg

    https://media.zenfs.com/en_US/Entertainment/Variety/alexander-solzhenitsyn.jpg
  91. @Sean c
    @anon

    "It should be said that the old Cossacks are overwhelmingly fighting on the Novorossian side. This is ironic because Ukrainian nationalists have done all they could to co-opt Cossack history as their own.

    Small numbers of Chechens have been noticed on both sides of the Donbass War."

    How many old cossacks could be left? A lot of left after the Revolution and those that stayed a lot of them were killed or scattered by Stalin. My grandfather was a Cossack and after fighting in WWI, Russian Revolution, and WWII he wasn't afraid to resort to violence to settle a dispute.

    Replies: @anon

    Russian census puts the number of Cossacks in 2010 at 67k

  92. @Art Deco
    @The Z Blog

    Gypsies are about 7x as numerous as Chechens and are scattered all over Europe. Their troublesome activity consists of con jobs, often very crude cons (and trashing public spaces). I'm not seeing the analogy to a comparatively small, obscure, and concentrated population of montagnards that hardly anyone outside Russia had ever heard of prior to 1992.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    Gypsies and Chechens are unique groups of humans outside the rest of humanity. Scoop up a bunch of Lebanese and drop them in Watertown Mass and they will blend into the Yankee culture, for the most part. Scoop up a bunch of Chechens or Gypsies and drop them in Watertown Mass and they make war on their new neighbors in the way they know best.

    What puts both into a separate silo from the rest of us is what appears to be a biological inability to get along with humans outside their group. Gypsies don’t run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That’s what pulls the wagon. Similarly, Chechens love violence and mayhem. There’s profit in it, but Chechen males will fight in Central Asia because that’s what they have always done. It is who they are.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    I don't think the Chechen niche is all that unique, but they've been pretty outstanding examples of it for a couple of hundred years at least, which is a long time. The Swiss used to be fairly similar raiders-from-the-mountains maybe 700 years ago, but their more numerous lowland neighbors finally made them stop. Then they became mercenaries for lowlanders (e.g., the Pope's Swiss Guard), then defensive warfare experts. The Chechens might be 500 years behind the Swiss in this evolution.

    Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @The Z Blog

    "Gypsies don’t run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That’s what pulls the wagon."

    I think you underestimate the economic boost you get from ignoring the law, a well-earned reputation for violence, literal clannishness (offend one is to offend all), no written records, all transactions in cash. Add to that a political culture that defines you as an poor oppressed victim (planning objections to a gypsy site because of crime fears will be ignored at best and get a police visit at worst) and it makes for big money.

    Same applies to the organised Hells Angels with their drug trades, but they don't get the political protection.

    Quite a few UK travellers are wealthy and some are multi-millionaires. When they buy agricultural land they pay cash. There's one family I know nearby. Own two farms, worth about £3 million each, one bought very recently.

  93. I understand that during the infamous deportation of Chechens in 1944 by Soviets and their subsequent dumping off on wastelands of Kazakhstan a large percentage of them died off. Those who survived and their ancestors are a tough breed indeed.

  94. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor
    @colm

    Many of your information is inaccurate...

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites. Someone linked to a picture of one of his daughters, with the comment that she still has some sub-Saharan features... I couldn't see any of those features in the picture, to be honest.

    Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian, so yeah, one could call him a Cossack. But both Cossacks and Ukrainians are at least somewhat related to Russians, and he had a strong Russian identity. (Actually, he personally thought Ukrainians and Cossacks were just a special subset of Russians.)

    As to Gorky, I haven't found any evidence of his supposed Jewish (I guess that's what "Scot-Irish" meant in this context) ancestry. Pasternak really was Jewish, though.

    Replies: @anon, @Bliss, @Bliss

    “Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.”

    The Russian elite, probably like most European elites, was particularly mixed with other European ethnicities. Russia, as a big empire, ruled over Germans in the Baltics, Georgians in the Caucauses, Poles in Poland. The non-Russian aristocrats there became Russian aristocrats (the former kings of Georgia became Princes Bagrationi, one of the most famous Russian noble houses), coming to court, serving as military commanders and government officials, and intermarrying with the ethnic Russian aristocracy. Before the French Revolution and all that followed, patriotism wasn’t all that powerful a force in Europe. It was entirely normal for a German aristocrat from the Saxon electorate to go to Russia and serve in its military. After Peter the Great, Russia did much to attract top talent from Europe to help bring it up to speed with the rest of the continent. The great Napoleonic-era Russia Field Marshal Barclay de Tolly was a Baltic aristocrat descended from lowland Scots who had adopted German Lutheran culture. The defeated commander at Freidland was the German Count Bennigsen. The great White commander of the civil war was another Baltic German, Baron Wrangel.

  95. @The Z Blog
    @Art Deco

    Gypsies and Chechens are unique groups of humans outside the rest of humanity. Scoop up a bunch of Lebanese and drop them in Watertown Mass and they will blend into the Yankee culture, for the most part. Scoop up a bunch of Chechens or Gypsies and drop them in Watertown Mass and they make war on their new neighbors in the way they know best.

    What puts both into a separate silo from the rest of us is what appears to be a biological inability to get along with humans outside their group. Gypsies don't run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That's what pulls the wagon. Similarly, Chechens love violence and mayhem. There's profit in it, but Chechen males will fight in Central Asia because that's what they have always done. It is who they are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    I don’t think the Chechen niche is all that unique, but they’ve been pretty outstanding examples of it for a couple of hundred years at least, which is a long time. The Swiss used to be fairly similar raiders-from-the-mountains maybe 700 years ago, but their more numerous lowland neighbors finally made them stop. Then they became mercenaries for lowlanders (e.g., the Pope’s Swiss Guard), then defensive warfare experts. The Chechens might be 500 years behind the Swiss in this evolution.

    Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @Steve Sailer

    I've hunted and fished West Virginia and Tennessee enough to think that maybe living in mountains makes for chaotically violent males. Make a wrong step and you fall a long way, even when you're careful. Being careful maybe has no advantage. It probably filters out high IQ thus moving the mean to the left.

    The thing with many of the hillbillies you run into in that part of the country is that they just like trouble. It's not violence that gets them going. It's mayhem. It's probably why the Oxycontin Express runs along Appalachia. There's an unlimited supply of hillbillies willing to take a long bus ride to Florida and buy drugs from a stranger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar."

    Irish travellers are a lot rougher/more violent. Some have been convicted in slavery cases - find an alcoholic or mentally fragile street person, offer a home, beat them, house them in a ratty shed and make them work on farms or laying drives.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29543668

    http://cheltenham.thebreeze.com/news/cheltenham-news/connors-order-to-pay-5-million-for-using-slaves/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172143/Slavery-trial-Travellers-guilty-keeping-men-concentration-camp-conditions-filthy-caravan-site.html

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  96. “The good news is that I get the vague impression that both the Bush and Obama Administrations have agreed with this appreciation, which is why the population of Chechens in the U.S. is barely over 100.”

    Nah, the FedGov is not paying any more attention to Chechens as any other group. The population of Chechnya according to Wikipedia is 1.26 million. According to WP there are 250-1000 Chechen Americans. So if I go with 1000 that would mean 1 of ever 1260 Chechens was already in the US. Now if you figure that Chechens might also immigrate to other countries, and then there is the hords of them warring all over the world, it would seem the US has as many Chechens as would be willing and able to get to the US. But even if you go with 100 Chechens in the US, that would be 1 of ever 12600 Chechens in the US which percentage wise seems like it is the same as any other group of immigrants. So I see no evidence of the FedGov restricting Chechen immigration. It is not clear how ICE would figure out which Russian or Soviet nationals are Chechens.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_American

  97. @anon
    @Bill M

    Muhammad's appearance is quite well known (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilya). Muhammad's skin and hair color was ordinary. Red beards are Henna, it's an ancient tradition. Red tinctured skin is almost certainly just bad translation.

    Replies: @David

    That’s interesting. The hair of many ancient Greek statues was painted red. In college I was told this was done to indicate the lightest possible skin, like Irish people, paleness being deemed generally more attractive and godly.

  98. @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    I don't think the Chechen niche is all that unique, but they've been pretty outstanding examples of it for a couple of hundred years at least, which is a long time. The Swiss used to be fairly similar raiders-from-the-mountains maybe 700 years ago, but their more numerous lowland neighbors finally made them stop. Then they became mercenaries for lowlanders (e.g., the Pope's Swiss Guard), then defensive warfare experts. The Chechens might be 500 years behind the Swiss in this evolution.

    Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Anonymous

    I’ve hunted and fished West Virginia and Tennessee enough to think that maybe living in mountains makes for chaotically violent males. Make a wrong step and you fall a long way, even when you’re careful. Being careful maybe has no advantage. It probably filters out high IQ thus moving the mean to the left.

    The thing with many of the hillbillies you run into in that part of the country is that they just like trouble. It’s not violence that gets them going. It’s mayhem. It’s probably why the Oxycontin Express runs along Appalachia. There’s an unlimited supply of hillbillies willing to take a long bus ride to Florida and buy drugs from a stranger.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Z Blog

    "Make a wrong step and you fall a long way, even when you’re careful."

    Churchill on the Pathans - "... a most elaborate code of honour has been established and is on the whole faithfully observed. A man who knew it and observed it faultlessly might pass unarmed from one end of the frontier to another. The slightest technical slip would, however, be fatal."

  99. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “After Peter the Great, Russia did much to attract top talent from Europe to help bring it up to speed with the rest of the continent”.

    The native Russian aristocracy resented this bitterly during Peter’s lifetime and afterwards. They rallied around Peter’s son Alexey, who secretly promised to go back to the old ways once he got to power. He clashed with his father, fled abroad, was lured back and arrested, and then died in prison.

    Tolstoy depicted the anti-German attitude of the old Russian aristocracy in War and Peace. He really, really hated Germans.

    Barclay de Tolly, whom you mentioned, oversaw Russian defense during the opening stage of the Napoleonic invasion. The French were winning and there was a lot of public pressure on the czar to replace Barclay with an ethnically Russian officer. Which he did. Kutuzov ended up commanding Russian forces at Borodino and afterwards.

    European states were less nationalistic before the French Revolution than afterwards. Ordinary people were always nationalistic though. They always resented foreigners in power. As is natural.

    • Replies: @colm
    @anon

    >Tolstoy depicted the anti-German attitude of the old Russian aristocracy in War and Peace. He really, really hated Germans.

    Not when he married Sophia Behrs, who is clearly of German descent. I think his falling out with her made him hate Germans.

  100. @anon
    @Jefferson

    Most ethnicities are not very pure, contrary what some here may think. I'm "pure" Ashkenazi as far back as I can trace. One grandfather looks like Saddam, the other is blond and blue-eyed. Russian admixture is particularly noticeable because Russia was an empire that came in contact with a lot of people on the edges of Europe (and with the Mongols, before that), but Southern Italy has lots of Saracen admixture, as does Spain. The Balkans have Turkic admixture. Even France and Germany are not very homogenous. I imagine the Scandinavian countries are fairly "pure" but really, ethnic purity generally is not a real thing.

    If the Bomb Father named his sons Ivan and Mikhail Tsarni and raised them in some random Russian town like Rostov as Russians, nobody in Russia would think twice about seeing them as Russians.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @K.

    I recall a well-seasoned, well-informed traveler once telling me that southern Russians are basically slavified Turks.

  101. @anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    General Gannibal was an Ethiopian. Ethiopians (especially elite ones) are very different from other black Africans.

    Replies: @K.

    Once, I was being menaced by some Ghanans and an Ethiopian tried to intervene on my behalf.

    Ethiopian: “Let’s talk this over, one black man to another.”

    Ghanan: “You aren’t black.”

  102. “Scoop up a bunch of Lebanese and drop them in Watertown Mass and they will blend into the Yankee culture, for the most part.”

    Muslim Lebanese will not blend right into the Yankee culture.

  103. @reiner Tor
    @colm

    Many of your information is inaccurate...

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites. Someone linked to a picture of one of his daughters, with the comment that she still has some sub-Saharan features... I couldn't see any of those features in the picture, to be honest.

    Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian, so yeah, one could call him a Cossack. But both Cossacks and Ukrainians are at least somewhat related to Russians, and he had a strong Russian identity. (Actually, he personally thought Ukrainians and Cossacks were just a special subset of Russians.)

    As to Gorky, I haven't found any evidence of his supposed Jewish (I guess that's what "Scot-Irish" meant in this context) ancestry. Pasternak really was Jewish, though.

    Replies: @anon, @Bliss, @Bliss

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites.

    Wrong. Thanks to inbreeding among russian aristocratic lineages Pushkin was a quadroon, and he looked it. He was very proud of his african ancestry.

    Btw, Czar Peter the Great under whom Pushkins african ancestor served as General and Royal Engineer himself looked unlike the typical russian. He looked more like a part-gypsy or middle-easterner than a slav or viking. Take a look:

    • Replies: @colm
    @Bliss

    >Pushkins african ancestor served as General and Royal Engineer

    Apparently Peter was not aware of HBD - he put a black man as his chief engineer!

  104. Chetchens versus Africans in France’s champagne region. Here’s my quick translation of the “best of” parts of the story:

    “… a settling of scores between two ethnic communities of different origins” . The prosecutor of Reims left political correctness in the cloakroom…”

    “four Chetchens are accused of participating in the savage beating of a 19 yr old from Benin as part of a literal hunt for humans in the Croix-Rouge district of Reims…”

    “The victim has a broken hand and lost an eye in the assault”

    “Croix-Rouge is the district where all the Chetchen refugee families welcomed by Reims live. Honour is a sacred value for them…”

    “It began as a banal argument between two high school students”

    “Around 9 PM 3 Chetchens approached the door of the rec centre … they whistled, shouted in their language and suddenly around twenty Chetchens appeared from every direction ..”

    “… they were armed with branches, baseball bats and, apparently, a knife of some kind – with which they destroyed an eye of the victim”

    http://www.lunion.presse.fr/region/ils-se-sont-livres-a-une-chasse-a-l-homme-dans-les-ia3b24n424751

  105. @Steve Sailer
    @Enderby

    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan's army raping his ancestresses.

    Replies: @Bliss

    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan’s army raping his ancestresses.

    Centuries under the Mongol Yoke had to have left its trace in the russian population. I have read that at least 20% of the russian nobility had mongol blood. That must include the greatest russian novelist Leo Tolstoy who was born into the aristocracy:

    • Replies: @colm
    @Bliss

    Count Leo probably didn't have Mongol blood, although his hero in War and Peace, Kutuzov, was descended from a Tartar chieftain named Kutuz.

  106. @rec1man
    @Laguna Beach Fogey

    Red beard - the prophet Mohammed, used to dye his beard with henna, a reddish dye

    Good muslims are supposed to emulate the prophet ( the most perfect man ) in all things including dyeing their beards red

    Most islamic fundamentalists and terrorists therefore dye their beards red

    Obama's uncle is a islamic fundamentalist and dyes his beard red

    Hafeez Saeed, the head of Laskar-e-taiba, a pakistani terrorist group also dyes his beard red

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Barbarossa (lit. Red Beard) was a famous Muslim corsair, terror of the Med in his day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa

    Mind, the Vikings called Thor “Old Red Beard”.

  107. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog
    @Steve Sailer

    I've hunted and fished West Virginia and Tennessee enough to think that maybe living in mountains makes for chaotically violent males. Make a wrong step and you fall a long way, even when you're careful. Being careful maybe has no advantage. It probably filters out high IQ thus moving the mean to the left.

    The thing with many of the hillbillies you run into in that part of the country is that they just like trouble. It's not violence that gets them going. It's mayhem. It's probably why the Oxycontin Express runs along Appalachia. There's an unlimited supply of hillbillies willing to take a long bus ride to Florida and buy drugs from a stranger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Make a wrong step and you fall a long way, even when you’re careful.”

    Churchill on the Pathans – “… a most elaborate code of honour has been established and is on the whole faithfully observed. A man who knew it and observed it faultlessly might pass unarmed from one end of the frontier to another. The slightest technical slip would, however, be fatal.”

  108. Jordanians do not much care for the people of Zarqa. They talk about them the way other peoples talk about a gypsy village on the outskirts of their capital.

    Knowing this, I did the only sensible thing and took my girlfriend to Zarqa for a relaxing afternoon of exploration.

    And, well, either reputations outlast their accuracy or an afternoon isn’t enough time to uncover the reputed unique evilness of Zarqonians (as opposed to the plebiscite of similarly sized Jordanian cities in the heartland).

    http://www.exoticjewishhistory.com

  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    I don't think the Chechen niche is all that unique, but they've been pretty outstanding examples of it for a couple of hundred years at least, which is a long time. The Swiss used to be fairly similar raiders-from-the-mountains maybe 700 years ago, but their more numerous lowland neighbors finally made them stop. Then they became mercenaries for lowlanders (e.g., the Pope's Swiss Guard), then defensive warfare experts. The Chechens might be 500 years behind the Swiss in this evolution.

    Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar.

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Anonymous

    “Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar.”

    Irish travellers are a lot rougher/more violent. Some have been convicted in slavery cases – find an alcoholic or mentally fragile street person, offer a home, beat them, house them in a ratty shed and make them work on farms or laying drives.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29543668

    http://cheltenham.thebreeze.com/news/cheltenham-news/connors-order-to-pay-5-million-for-using-slaves/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172143/Slavery-trial-Travellers-guilty-keeping-men-concentration-camp-conditions-filthy-caravan-site.html

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Anonymous

    I don't know where you guys get the idea that Gypsies are nonviolent. There are cases of Gypsy slavery in Hungary (again, usually older and/or weaker people with no relatives are targeted). They are only nonviolent when they feel outnumbered. If you are weaker than a Gypsy, he might get violent even if he's alone, but they usually rely on numbers, so that there's always more of them. They also often rely on knives (in a country where nobody has firearms, and people generally don't carry knives either, that's quite efficient), are cowardly (if you beat up one of them in a fair fight, he might come back later and knife you in the back), and they're never alone. (There's usually at least a couple of brothers or a few cousins around.) They also don't care if they go to prison.

    Gypsies are less violent than blacks, but definitely more violent than whites.

  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog
    @Art Deco

    Gypsies and Chechens are unique groups of humans outside the rest of humanity. Scoop up a bunch of Lebanese and drop them in Watertown Mass and they will blend into the Yankee culture, for the most part. Scoop up a bunch of Chechens or Gypsies and drop them in Watertown Mass and they make war on their new neighbors in the way they know best.

    What puts both into a separate silo from the rest of us is what appears to be a biological inability to get along with humans outside their group. Gypsies don't run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That's what pulls the wagon. Similarly, Chechens love violence and mayhem. There's profit in it, but Chechen males will fight in Central Asia because that's what they have always done. It is who they are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    “Gypsies don’t run scams for economic reasons. They run scams because they like running scams. That’s what pulls the wagon.”

    I think you underestimate the economic boost you get from ignoring the law, a well-earned reputation for violence, literal clannishness (offend one is to offend all), no written records, all transactions in cash. Add to that a political culture that defines you as an poor oppressed victim (planning objections to a gypsy site because of crime fears will be ignored at best and get a police visit at worst) and it makes for big money.

    Same applies to the organised Hells Angels with their drug trades, but they don’t get the political protection.

    Quite a few UK travellers are wealthy and some are multi-millionaires. When they buy agricultural land they pay cash. There’s one family I know nearby. Own two farms, worth about £3 million each, one bought very recently.

  111. @Jefferson
    Russians look like they occupy a middle ground between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans in terms of phenotype. You see more darker types among Russians than you do among Northern Europeans, but you also see more blond types among Russians than you do among Southern Europeans.

    Replies: @Chubby Ape

    “Russians look like they occupy a middle ground between Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans in terms of phenotype.”

    True. You post reminded me of a recent video posted at YouTube by the rebel side in eastern Ukraine showing the commander of the “Somalia Battalion”, who calls himself “Givi”. You can see in this video he looks roughly Spanish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLY96rNvqGJm9ykZ9AZ0kGAqq2VY2ijsLB&v=K9k05CbXmqE

    The other battalion commander involved in that siege of the airport at Donetsk looks stereotypically Russian. He calls himself “Motorola” if you want to find him on YouTube. Both Givi and Motorola have their fans though; there’s video of Motorola on his ATV signing autographs for kids in downtown Donetsk and Givi has lady interviewers on YouTube asking him if he’s married.

  112. @Bliss
    @Steve Sailer


    The best football player at my high school was this huge guy of Russian ancestry who looked vaguely Mongolian, which he attributed to Genghis Khan’s army raping his ancestresses.
     
    Centuries under the Mongol Yoke had to have left its trace in the russian population. I have read that at least 20% of the russian nobility had mongol blood. That must include the greatest russian novelist Leo Tolstoy who was born into the aristocracy:

    http://www.albertsuckow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/leo-tolstoy.jpg

    Replies: @colm

    Count Leo probably didn’t have Mongol blood, although his hero in War and Peace, Kutuzov, was descended from a Tartar chieftain named Kutuz.

  113. @anon
    "After Peter the Great, Russia did much to attract top talent from Europe to help bring it up to speed with the rest of the continent".

    The native Russian aristocracy resented this bitterly during Peter's lifetime and afterwards. They rallied around Peter's son Alexey, who secretly promised to go back to the old ways once he got to power. He clashed with his father, fled abroad, was lured back and arrested, and then died in prison.

    Tolstoy depicted the anti-German attitude of the old Russian aristocracy in War and Peace. He really, really hated Germans.

    Barclay de Tolly, whom you mentioned, oversaw Russian defense during the opening stage of the Napoleonic invasion. The French were winning and there was a lot of public pressure on the czar to replace Barclay with an ethnically Russian officer. Which he did. Kutuzov ended up commanding Russian forces at Borodino and afterwards.

    European states were less nationalistic before the French Revolution than afterwards. Ordinary people were always nationalistic though. They always resented foreigners in power. As is natural.

    Replies: @colm

    >Tolstoy depicted the anti-German attitude of the old Russian aristocracy in War and Peace. He really, really hated Germans.

    Not when he married Sophia Behrs, who is clearly of German descent. I think his falling out with her made him hate Germans.

  114. @Bliss
    @reiner Tor


    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites.
     
    Wrong. Thanks to inbreeding among russian aristocratic lineages Pushkin was a quadroon, and he looked it. He was very proud of his african ancestry.

    Btw, Czar Peter the Great under whom Pushkins african ancestor served as General and Royal Engineer himself looked unlike the typical russian. He looked more like a part-gypsy or middle-easterner than a slav or viking. Take a look:

    http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Peter-the-Great-DEATH.jpg

    Replies: @colm

    >Pushkins african ancestor served as General and Royal Engineer

    Apparently Peter was not aware of HBD – he put a black man as his chief engineer!

  115. Chubby ape, Givi is an ethnic Georgian name.

    • Replies: @Chubby Ape
    @Anon

    Yes I've read that about the name "Givi" in the YouTube comments but he is apparently from that part of eastern Ukraine going back several generations and considers himself Russian. The point being that born & bred ethnic Russians can look different from one another. "Givi" is likely a nom de guerre in any case. His battalion is called the "Somalia Battalion" and I doubt they have many actual Somalis there.

  116. The Arab jihad leaders understand that Europeans are better soldiers and put them in charge of the most important operations.

    Modern warfare requires high spatial reasoning ability, even for infantry. Watch videos of the fighting and see how the Chechen fighters do everything differently than the Arabs. They use terrain better, take cover more effectively and don’t give away their positions. Chechen fighters spread out, each fighter behind cover, and stay calm and business like. Arabs bunch up in big groups to feel more secure and shout slogans constantly. They are very emotional and seem oblivious to the physics of combat.

    The Chechens really stand out along side Syrians for their luminous white skin and broader faces.

  117. @Anon
    Chubby ape, Givi is an ethnic Georgian name.

    Replies: @Chubby Ape

    Yes I’ve read that about the name “Givi” in the YouTube comments but he is apparently from that part of eastern Ukraine going back several generations and considers himself Russian. The point being that born & bred ethnic Russians can look different from one another. “Givi” is likely a nom de guerre in any case. His battalion is called the “Somalia Battalion” and I doubt they have many actual Somalis there.

  118. Have a look at the 3 leaders most responsible for making Russia a powerful nation, in chronological order:

    Czar Ivan the Terrible:

    Czar Peter the Great:

    Comrade Stalin the Dictator:

  119. I am not sure I would describe the Chechens as “competent”, not at least as far as the big picture goes. They gave Stalin trouble, or he thought they were going to give him trouble, and he literally killed half of them. They gave Russia trouble in the 90s, achieved independence to some degree but they could not leave well enough alone, and Russia, after a bit of a slow start, obliterated them, flattened their capital, killing tens of thousands of them. Once the Russians got going, after their initial mistakes, the Chechens were not much of an impediment to them. The war is over, the Islamist Chechens had to leave to go fight Arabs. There were even reports of mass Chechen conversion to Orthodoxy after the war.

  120. “The Chechens really stand out along side Syrians for their luminous white skin and broader faces.”

    The Chechens are quite fair skin compared to the vast majority of Muslim terrorists. The 9/11 terrorists for example were all either Brown or swarthy. None of the 9/11 terrorists looked White by American standards.

  121. – I’d agree that the Arab look isn’t European to American eyes, and I would say that Chechens are more likely to pass as “less foreign” (more native). Chechens also have a different culture, and are more adapted to colder climates. Concerning the 9/11 terrorist attack on U.S. soil around 2000, most 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, which despite being Middle Eastern, has lower levels of maternal black DNA from Ethiopia due to the ancient Arab slave trade. Their phenotype is just a bit different, but nothing too drastic.

    You won’t see a lot of mulattos, quadroons or octoroons inside Saudi Arabian borders for sure. But you might see them among “Horners of East Africa”. Mulattos/quadroons tend to be more common in Ethiopia, whereas quadroons/octoroons tend to be more normal in Eritrea.

    Ethiopia is a mulatto (almost quadroonish) nation in East Africa, they’re called the Horners of Africa, and have curly/wavy hair, which is IMO a huge sign of miscegenation with the black race, since black women tend to have a nappier, short hair texture (black women are renowed for buying straight hair weaves/wigs). Google Ethiopian female models such as “Liya Kebede”, “Sara Nuru” or “Helen Getachew”, they all look like multigenerational inbreed half black-half Arab hybrids (mulatto-mulatto inbred offspring).

    Or just google “Ethiopian women”. It’s politically incorrect to point this out but Ethiopian don’t look “black”, and their hair texture is quite different from say Oluchi Onweagba (Nigerian) or Naomi Campbell (Black Carribean). Lupita Nyongo (Kenyan) for example is more accurate of a typical East African woman as opposed to say Helen Getachew (Ethiopian, Horner of East Africa, mixed).

    Chechens on the other hand are in Central Asia, and are more likely to resemble fair complexioned Syrians or Turks in appearance. While they’re Muslim, they’re a different bred of Muslim. They don’t care smaller levels of black ancestry from long ago, and their culture is less impulsive. They’re a better bred of terrorist and tend to be more level headed.

    Chechens tend to be better organized terrorists and don’t mishandle valuable operations, but if one wants to avoid U.S. intervention in politics and media, for some reason Saudis are better at managing it since their way of thinking is more alien to U.S. politicians. I also notice that Saudi Arabians sometimes tend to have an obsession with the managing the female hijab (hair covering).

  122. Two more russian leaders, who belong in the pantheon of its greatest heroes:

    Both look part mongoloid. Lenin is known to have Kalmyk ancestry. And while not much is known about Putin’s ancestors, it is certain he too must have north asians in the family tree. His doppelganger was found in central China:

    So most all of the greatest leaders of Russia look mixed race, as do most of it’s greatest literary figures starting with Puskin the very Father of modern russian literature. Interesting isn’t it HBDers?

    This is just another reality check for racial purists, in particular the megalomaniacal nordicist neo-nazi nutjobs…

  123. @reiner Tor
    @colm

    Many of your information is inaccurate...

    Pushkin was an octoroon, not black, just barely distinguishable from full whites. Someone linked to a picture of one of his daughters, with the comment that she still has some sub-Saharan features... I couldn't see any of those features in the picture, to be honest.

    Lermontov had a Scottish ancestor two centuries before him. All other ancestors of his were Russian nobles and aristocrats, who could have had non-Russian ancestors but I would think Lermontov was basically as Russian as it gets.

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian, so yeah, one could call him a Cossack. But both Cossacks and Ukrainians are at least somewhat related to Russians, and he had a strong Russian identity. (Actually, he personally thought Ukrainians and Cossacks were just a special subset of Russians.)

    As to Gorky, I haven't found any evidence of his supposed Jewish (I guess that's what "Scot-Irish" meant in this context) ancestry. Pasternak really was Jewish, though.

    Replies: @anon, @Bliss, @Bliss

    Solzhenitsyn was half Cossack and half Ukrainian

    Solzhenitsyn looked part-mongoloid, like so many prominent russians:

  124. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    "Gypsies, however, are pretty odd, although Irish Travellers are similar."

    Irish travellers are a lot rougher/more violent. Some have been convicted in slavery cases - find an alcoholic or mentally fragile street person, offer a home, beat them, house them in a ratty shed and make them work on farms or laying drives.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-29543668

    http://cheltenham.thebreeze.com/news/cheltenham-news/connors-order-to-pay-5-million-for-using-slaves/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172143/Slavery-trial-Travellers-guilty-keeping-men-concentration-camp-conditions-filthy-caravan-site.html

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I don’t know where you guys get the idea that Gypsies are nonviolent. There are cases of Gypsy slavery in Hungary (again, usually older and/or weaker people with no relatives are targeted). They are only nonviolent when they feel outnumbered. If you are weaker than a Gypsy, he might get violent even if he’s alone, but they usually rely on numbers, so that there’s always more of them. They also often rely on knives (in a country where nobody has firearms, and people generally don’t carry knives either, that’s quite efficient), are cowardly (if you beat up one of them in a fair fight, he might come back later and knife you in the back), and they’re never alone. (There’s usually at least a couple of brothers or a few cousins around.) They also don’t care if they go to prison.

    Gypsies are less violent than blacks, but definitely more violent than whites.

  125. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jefferson

    Pushkin was 1/4 sub-Saharan African.

    Replies: @syonredux, @anon, @Anonymous

    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin’s great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    @Anonymous


    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin’s great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.
     
    Wrong. Here's why:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/pushkingenealogy.html

    Considering that the defining line in a family's history was its patrilineal descent as it was just about anywhere else in the western world, Pushkin's preoccupation with his African ancestry is all the more telling since Ibrahim Gannibal was his maternal great-grandfather. Furthermore, Nadja, his mother, was through her own mother, a descendant of the same Pushkin forbear from whom her husband Serge descended. This is genetically interesting since it explains why the poet, who is generally but mistakenly accepted as an octoroon, looks perceptibly blacker.



    Other interesting tidbits from that link:

    Considering the fact that Pushkin was well aware of the kind of impact his literary success could have on the institution of slavery in the new world, I think we can be fairly certain that, for the same racial reasoning, he would have been quite pleased to know that a branch of the British Royal Family would today be numbered among his descendants.

    Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

    An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  126. @anon
    A picture of one of Pushkin's daughters, who was 1/16th black, can be found here:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пушкина,_Наталья_Александровна

    You can still see some sub-Saharan features.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @mahaloeveryone, @Anonymous

    The artist could have been trying to emphasize the exotic qualities of her features. It’s not a photograph that shows us what she really looked like. And this assumes that the portrait subject has been correctly identified.

  127. @Anonymous
    @Kevinx

    Immigrants from third world start mom-and-pop bodegas in big cities. Not rerally post-worthy in my opinion. It was true whwen I was a kid before Kennedy tore down the walls. Back then these mom-and-pop entrepeneurs were mostly Jewish and Italian with a smattering of Greeks.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Yeah, I notice that the share of foreign entrepreneurs declines as the city gets whiter (Pittsburgh, Boston, Minneapolis) goes down. No ghettoes in which to open usurious bodegas.

  128. @Anonymous
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin's great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.

    Replies: @Bliss

    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin’s great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.

    Wrong. Here’s why:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/pushkingenealogy.html

    Considering that the defining line in a family’s history was its patrilineal descent as it was just about anywhere else in the western world, Pushkin’s preoccupation with his African ancestry is all the more telling since Ibrahim Gannibal was his maternal great-grandfather. Furthermore, Nadja, his mother, was through her own mother, a descendant of the same Pushkin forbear from whom her husband Serge descended. This is genetically interesting since it explains why the poet, who is generally but mistakenly accepted as an octoroon, looks perceptibly blacker.

    Other interesting tidbits from that link:

    Considering the fact that Pushkin was well aware of the kind of impact his literary success could have on the institution of slavery in the new world, I think we can be fairly certain that, for the same racial reasoning, he would have been quite pleased to know that a branch of the British Royal Family would today be numbered among his descendants.

    Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, “abach” means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

    An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bliss

    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin's genealogy. It was indeed the case that Alexander Pushkin's mother, Nadezhda Gannibal, was a paternal line granddaughter of Ibrahim Gannibal. Nadezhda's mother was a member of the Pushkin family, but Alexander Pushkin's father Sergei was a collateral relative of Nadezhda's who was not descended from Ibrahim Gannibal.

    Replies: @Bliss

  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss
    @Anonymous


    Ibrahim Petrovich Gannibal was Pushkin’s great-grandfather, making him one eighth sub-Saharan African rather than one fourth.
     
    Wrong. Here's why:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/famous/pushkingenealogy.html

    Considering that the defining line in a family's history was its patrilineal descent as it was just about anywhere else in the western world, Pushkin's preoccupation with his African ancestry is all the more telling since Ibrahim Gannibal was his maternal great-grandfather. Furthermore, Nadja, his mother, was through her own mother, a descendant of the same Pushkin forbear from whom her husband Serge descended. This is genetically interesting since it explains why the poet, who is generally but mistakenly accepted as an octoroon, looks perceptibly blacker.



    Other interesting tidbits from that link:

    Considering the fact that Pushkin was well aware of the kind of impact his literary success could have on the institution of slavery in the new world, I think we can be fairly certain that, for the same racial reasoning, he would have been quite pleased to know that a branch of the British Royal Family would today be numbered among his descendants.

    Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

    An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin’s genealogy. It was indeed the case that Alexander Pushkin’s mother, Nadezhda Gannibal, was a paternal line granddaughter of Ibrahim Gannibal. Nadezhda’s mother was a member of the Pushkin family, but Alexander Pushkin’s father Sergei was a collateral relative of Nadezhda’s who was not descended from Ibrahim Gannibal.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    @Anonymous


    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin’s genealogy.
     
    So says an anonymous dude on the internet. Why should anyone take your word over that of a respected organization known for the intelligence and research behind it's reporting?

    It is interesting how the greatest writers in so many languages were black or part black:

    The greatest poet in Arabic (also a renowned warrior known as the Father of Chivalry) was Antarah bin Shaddad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarah_ibn_Shaddad

    The greatest writer in Sanskrit (also known as the greatest guru) was black-skinned Vyasa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa

    The greatest poet in Russian (also known as the Father of russian literature), Pushkin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin

    The greatest writer in the Portuguese language Machado de Assis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    The most popular writer in the French language (of haitian descent) Alexander Dumas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas


    Makes me wonder whether the greatest writer in the English language Shakespeare was part african as well. After all, he did write emphatically about the black General Othello...

    Replies: @Bliss, @reiner Tor

  130. @Anonymous
    @Bliss

    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin's genealogy. It was indeed the case that Alexander Pushkin's mother, Nadezhda Gannibal, was a paternal line granddaughter of Ibrahim Gannibal. Nadezhda's mother was a member of the Pushkin family, but Alexander Pushkin's father Sergei was a collateral relative of Nadezhda's who was not descended from Ibrahim Gannibal.

    Replies: @Bliss

    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin’s genealogy.

    So says an anonymous dude on the internet. Why should anyone take your word over that of a respected organization known for the intelligence and research behind it’s reporting?

    It is interesting how the greatest writers in so many languages were black or part black:

    The greatest poet in Arabic (also a renowned warrior known as the Father of Chivalry) was Antarah bin Shaddad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarah_ibn_Shaddad

    The greatest writer in Sanskrit (also known as the greatest guru) was black-skinned Vyasa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa

    The greatest poet in Russian (also known as the Father of russian literature), Pushkin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin

    The greatest writer in the Portuguese language Machado de Assis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    The most popular writer in the French language (of haitian descent) Alexander Dumas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas

    Makes me wonder whether the greatest writer in the English language Shakespeare was part african as well. After all, he did write emphatically about the black General Othello…

    • Replies: @Bliss
    @Bliss


    he did write emphatically about the black General Othello…
     
    Emphatically was the wrong word. I meant that Shakespeare wrote with empathy about his tragic hero Othello, the black commander of the Venetian army.

    Then there is the controversy about his true identity...
    , @reiner Tor
    @Bliss

    I tried to research it, but I could only find the fact that Gannibal was the grandfather of Pushkin's mother. Pushkin's mother was also descended from the Pushkin family on the maternal side. So I don't quite understand how or why that would explain his looking blacker than an octoroon. I mean, he was still only 1/8 black, no matter where the rest 7/8 came from.

  131. @Bliss
    @Anonymous


    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin’s genealogy.
     
    So says an anonymous dude on the internet. Why should anyone take your word over that of a respected organization known for the intelligence and research behind it's reporting?

    It is interesting how the greatest writers in so many languages were black or part black:

    The greatest poet in Arabic (also a renowned warrior known as the Father of Chivalry) was Antarah bin Shaddad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarah_ibn_Shaddad

    The greatest writer in Sanskrit (also known as the greatest guru) was black-skinned Vyasa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa

    The greatest poet in Russian (also known as the Father of russian literature), Pushkin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin

    The greatest writer in the Portuguese language Machado de Assis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    The most popular writer in the French language (of haitian descent) Alexander Dumas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas


    Makes me wonder whether the greatest writer in the English language Shakespeare was part african as well. After all, he did write emphatically about the black General Othello...

    Replies: @Bliss, @reiner Tor

    he did write emphatically about the black General Othello…

    Emphatically was the wrong word. I meant that Shakespeare wrote with empathy about his tragic hero Othello, the black commander of the Venetian army.

    Then there is the controversy about his true identity…

  132. @Bliss
    @Anonymous


    That PBS Frontline link is confused about Alexander Pushkin’s genealogy.
     
    So says an anonymous dude on the internet. Why should anyone take your word over that of a respected organization known for the intelligence and research behind it's reporting?

    It is interesting how the greatest writers in so many languages were black or part black:

    The greatest poet in Arabic (also a renowned warrior known as the Father of Chivalry) was Antarah bin Shaddad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarah_ibn_Shaddad

    The greatest writer in Sanskrit (also known as the greatest guru) was black-skinned Vyasa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasa

    The greatest poet in Russian (also known as the Father of russian literature), Pushkin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin

    The greatest writer in the Portuguese language Machado de Assis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis

    The most popular writer in the French language (of haitian descent) Alexander Dumas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas


    Makes me wonder whether the greatest writer in the English language Shakespeare was part african as well. After all, he did write emphatically about the black General Othello...

    Replies: @Bliss, @reiner Tor

    I tried to research it, but I could only find the fact that Gannibal was the grandfather of Pushkin’s mother. Pushkin’s mother was also descended from the Pushkin family on the maternal side. So I don’t quite understand how or why that would explain his looking blacker than an octoroon. I mean, he was still only 1/8 black, no matter where the rest 7/8 came from.

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