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Graph above: Millions of individuals in extreme poverty in India (green), Congo (red), and Nigeria (blue), time period from 2016-2022 (note: these events mostly have not gone through the formality of taking place yet).

From the Brookings Institution:

The start of a new poverty narrative

Homi Kharas, Kristofer Hamel, and Martin HoferTuesday, June 19, 2018

FIRST: EXTREME POVERTY IN TODAY’S WORLD IS LARGELY ABOUT AFRICA

According to our projections, Nigeria has already overtaken India as the country with the largest number of extreme poor in early 2018, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo could soon take over the number 2 spot (Figure 1 below). At the end of May 2018, our trajectories suggest that Nigeria had about 87 million people in extreme poverty, compared with India’s 73 million. What is more, extreme poverty in Nigeria is growing by six people every minute, while poverty in India continues to fall. In fact, by the end of 2018 in Africa as a whole, there will probably be about 3.2 million more people living in extreme poverty than there are today.

Already, Africans account for about two-thirds of the world’s extreme poor. If current trends persist, they will account for nine-tenths by 2030. Fourteen out of 18 countries in the world—where the number of extreme poor is rising—are in Africa.

So there is good news and bad news when it comes to the prevalence of extreme Mother Theresa-level poverty. It’s disappearing in much of the world, fortunately, but not in Africa. It’s not so much that Sub-Saharan Africa is getting poorer as its getting bigger.

 
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  1. Anonymous [AKA "Tiny Ducj"] says:

    Africans need to be let into the west so that’s the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    And bring much needed diversity to stale pale Europe.

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    The weak huwhite beta male needs to be whipped back into patriarchal shape by a strong African wymyn. Look at the great example of the Reddit founder and Serena Williams.

    Traditional African corporal discipline will restore the dignity of the family and a stable patriarchal order.

    The future is thicc, no longer will the wymyn of Africa be segregated with the AIDS-ridden men of their own culture.

    Replies: @Logan

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Ughhh... Is this Tinyduck character meant to be a parody of my prior incarnation? For it fails miserably...

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Tiny Ducj
     
    Tiny really needs to oil his typewriter now-- The errors are showing up in blue.

    How about "Tiny Duce"?

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    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1TWXKIFXXXXXEXXXXq6xXFXXXH/Resin-Model-Mussolini.jpg

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    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    , @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    >Africans
    >husbands

    Pick one.

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @Anonymous

    Wow Ducky! How do you get so drunk that the system misspells your own name? We care about you (not much, but we do care). So cut back on the Olde English forties. At least until you finish your essays.

  2. Anonymous [AKA "Stuey"] says:

    And they’re start8ng yo pile up in Tijuana.

    Better get that wall built, and engineer it a little more than seems necessary.

    Ethnic bum rush for our border is coming.

  3. Anonymous [AKA "Vibrancy Now"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    And bring much needed diversity to stale pale Europe.

  4. OT:
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/06/27/taiwan-president-asks-world-constrain-china/

    Ma Xiao Guang, a spokesman for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office, independently called Tsai’s comments “misleading and totally baseless,” accusing her of “plotting to contain the great rejuvenation of the Chinese race.

    Imagine if an official spokesman of any European majority country was authorized to say an equivalent thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonym

    Ma Xiao Guang's words were minzu which is non-racial but has no exact equivalence in English. It basically means "the people of China" including any traditional minorities within who have considered to be an indelible part of Chinese culture.


    The theory behind the ideology of Zhonghua minzu is that it includes not only the Han but also other minority ethnic groups within China, such as the Mongols, Manchus, Hmong, Tibetans, Tuvans, etc. An ethnic Korean from China living and working in Korea or an ethnic Mongol from China living and working in the Mongolia would both be considered members of the Zhonghua Minzu, which can give rise to potential issues (including contemporary loyalty to contemporary states, the proper boundary lines between states/subnational entities, and the modern categorization of historical states) of identity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhonghua_minzu

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    Replies: @Anonym

  5. What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer?
     
    Send in the NGOs and educate the women. Birthrate drops below replacement in 40 years max.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.
     
    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW - we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kylie, @AnotherDad

    , @Das
    @Polynikes

    I don't think family planning programs have really been tried in Africa in recent decades due to anti-racist and religious backlash and the incompetence of the local governments. Birth control and abortion are not easily accessible in Africa.

    Unfortunately, one of the first things Trump did as president was cut off family planning funds to the Third World.

    My guess is that if the West introduced a multi-billion dollar program similar to Bush's AIDS drug plan that would provide free birth control in Africa, there would be plenty of takers and the birth rates would decline at least somewhat.

    Since Trump barred US funds for that purpose, maybe Europe can pay for it? Dunno.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Polynikes

    first of all: openly speak about it. Africans should explicitly be told to have fewer children. International organizations should have explicit missions which aim at lower fertility in Subsaharan Africa. Non-Subsaharan African should speak about it when meeting with African leaders. The goal needs to be clear: lower TFR in Subsaharan Africa.. Than let the ideas compete. Maybe let the countries compete.

    , @It's All Ball Bearings
    @Polynikes

    Ask Bono what he thinks.

  6. Time to withhold vaccinations?

    • Replies: @Dillinger
    @Redneck farmer

    Make food aid contingent on the women getting hysterectomies?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  7. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    The weak huwhite beta male needs to be whipped back into patriarchal shape by a strong African wymyn. Look at the great example of the Reddit founder and Serena Williams.

    Traditional African corporal discipline will restore the dignity of the family and a stable patriarchal order.

    The future is thicc, no longer will the wymyn of Africa be segregated with the AIDS-ridden men of their own culture.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Logan
    @Anon

    Uhh. Isn't strong women forcing men to be patriarchal a tad oxymoronic?

    Replies: @Anon

  8. Anonymous [AKA "scipio_lemurius"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    Ughhh… Is this Tinyduck character meant to be a parody of my prior incarnation? For it fails miserably…

  9. The graph shows the result of billions of dollars poured into India from Bill Gates Foundation.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @DB Cooper

    Think again. If Bill Gates poured a billion dollars into India, he'd make each Indian all of $0.70 richer.

  10. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    OT:
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/06/27/taiwan-president-asks-world-constrain-china/

    Ma Xiao Guang, a spokesman for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office, independently called Tsai’s comments “misleading and totally baseless,” accusing her of “plotting to contain the great rejuvenation of the Chinese race.
     
    Imagine if an official spokesman of any European majority country was authorized to say an equivalent thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Ma Xiao Guang’s words were minzu which is non-racial but has no exact equivalence in English. It basically means “the people of China” including any traditional minorities within who have considered to be an indelible part of Chinese culture.

    The theory behind the ideology of Zhonghua minzu is that it includes not only the Han but also other minority ethnic groups within China, such as the Mongols, Manchus, Hmong, Tibetans, Tuvans, etc. An ethnic Korean from China living and working in Korea or an ethnic Mongol from China living and working in the Mongolia would both be considered members of the Zhonghua Minzu, which can give rise to potential issues (including contemporary loyalty to contemporary states, the proper boundary lines between states/subnational entities, and the modern categorization of historical states) of identity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhonghua_minzu

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    And this welcomeness is shown by the millions of Europeans who have been granted citizenship in China every year. Oh wait...

    Replies: @DuanDiRen, @Anon, @Anon

  11. I hope the politicians in Europe who are facing mass migration from sub-Saharan Africa take notice of the Brookings projections.

  12. @Redneck farmer
    Time to withhold vaccinations?

    Replies: @Dillinger

    Make food aid contingent on the women getting hysterectomies?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Dillinger

    Plugs in the fallopian tubes are a lot cheaper, and endometrial ablation accomplishes the same end a lot less invasively.

    This is what we should be offering bonuses to our underclass females to have done.  Make the bonus on a sliding scale based on points for things like criminal and drug offenses, academic failure, lack of employment history, etc.  The most dysfunctional should get the biggest bonuses.  We can afford to pay e.g. 5 years of what such women would cost the public based on the averages for their statistical cohort vs. what their childless equivalents cost.  Most have such short time horizons that they'd very happily take the money.

    Of course, first we have to stop them from becoming parents before they turn 18 and can legally agree to be fixed.  It would probably not work without mandatory implanted/injected contraception for children on welfare.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  13. @Anonymous
    @Anonym

    Ma Xiao Guang's words were minzu which is non-racial but has no exact equivalence in English. It basically means "the people of China" including any traditional minorities within who have considered to be an indelible part of Chinese culture.


    The theory behind the ideology of Zhonghua minzu is that it includes not only the Han but also other minority ethnic groups within China, such as the Mongols, Manchus, Hmong, Tibetans, Tuvans, etc. An ethnic Korean from China living and working in Korea or an ethnic Mongol from China living and working in the Mongolia would both be considered members of the Zhonghua Minzu, which can give rise to potential issues (including contemporary loyalty to contemporary states, the proper boundary lines between states/subnational entities, and the modern categorization of historical states) of identity.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhonghua_minzu

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    Replies: @Anonym

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    And this welcomeness is shown by the millions of Europeans who have been granted citizenship in China every year. Oh wait…

    • Replies: @DuanDiRen
    @Anonym

    Chinese ideas about racial minorities are very interesting. One thing that Western people tend to miss is that Chinese tolerance for racial minorities in China is perfectly inversely correlated to the size of the minority - always. If you are a member of a tiny tribe of 60,000 from somewhere in Yunnan, you will be perfectly welcome to take part in civic life. As the size of the minority grows, Han acceptance drops. Virtually all ethnic conflict in China is between the two largest minorities (Hui and Uighurs) and the Han.

    An observer might think that the Han want to preserve their country for themselves and their posterity...

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Anon
    @Anonym

    I don't think that it's that much harder for a European to naturalize to Chinese cititizenship than it is anywhere else. There is not much demand for it. You can't keep your original citizenship, so, for instance, the Canadian or Mexican or Israeli passport has got to go. This is the same in Japan, although not really enforced.

    Which reminds me: outlawing dual citizenship would be a good thing for the U.S., I think. You could become a U.S. citizen if (1) your native country offers a procedure for definitively renouncing your citizenship (not all do, e.g. Iran), and (2) you go through this procedure and supply proof of it.

    We could have an exception for Iran type countries that involves recording a YouTube video where you call the head of state of your birth country various bad names.

    , @Anon
    @Anonym

    Most people aren't really that willing to lose their identity in total, but there are entire programs that welcome/aim to recruit skilled workers(especially Europeans). The green card program itself was loosened up this year, and its never been very hard to get a long-term visa to work.

    Certainly there are plenty of Europeans in Hong Kong with Chinese citizenships, and they are even allow dual citizenship for those so they don't have to lose their British citizenship.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  14. Mother Theresa-level poverty

    The suffering of Humanity is a joy unto God.

    Yes, she said it. She meant it. Her first-aid hospitals and hospices prove it.

    Her order’s first priority was to stop contraception thus ensuring a supply of Joy to God.

  15. I think it’s time for airlife or ship large numbers of African megafauna to the New World and get an alternative population going. Those critters are not long for this world if they all stay in Africa.

    • Agree: International Jew
  16. That’s why blacks are objects of pity and sympathy.

    But being more muscular and more aggressive, they soon prey on other races when they are let in.

  17. @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    And this welcomeness is shown by the millions of Europeans who have been granted citizenship in China every year. Oh wait...

    Replies: @DuanDiRen, @Anon, @Anon

    Chinese ideas about racial minorities are very interesting. One thing that Western people tend to miss is that Chinese tolerance for racial minorities in China is perfectly inversely correlated to the size of the minority – always. If you are a member of a tiny tribe of 60,000 from somewhere in Yunnan, you will be perfectly welcome to take part in civic life. As the size of the minority grows, Han acceptance drops. Virtually all ethnic conflict in China is between the two largest minorities (Hui and Uighurs) and the Han.

    An observer might think that the Han want to preserve their country for themselves and their posterity…

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @DuanDiRen

    I once worked for a Chinese group leader under a Chinese manager.  Very different Chinese, though.  The manager was your typical Han, round-faced, something right out of a Mao-era poster.  The guy immediately above me was from Sichuan province and had much sharper features and slightly darker skin.  He mentioned that the reason he had moved to the United States is because the Han didn't like people from his ethny.  He and his wife were definitely neither Hui nor Uighur.

    So yes, China does have racial discrimination even between non-muslim Chinese.

    (The group leader shortly switched jobs to be out from under the Han manager.  That's how bad it apparently is.)

  18. @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    Tiny Ducj

    Tiny really needs to oil his typewriter now– The errors are showing up in blue.

    How about “Tiny Duce”?

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @Reg Cæsar

    How about "Tiny Deuce"?

  19. @Polynikes
    What's the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese - style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stan d Mute, @Das, @Erik Sieven, @It's All Ball Bearings

    What’s the answer?

    Send in the NGOs and educate the women. Birthrate drops below replacement in 40 years max.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Aren't we talking average IQ in the 80's? Impossible. Africa will either be walled off to let nature take its course, or the Great Powers will re-colonize Africa.

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course, or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Rational, @TheJester

  20. being more muscular and more aggressive…

    Wrong on both counts. The characteristics you’re looking for are “less empathetic” and “less intelligent.”

  21. res says:

    If that projection for India comes to pass it will be impressive. It looks feasible based on this (I am not sure how the thresholds relate to your graph) from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    @res

    Not going to happen. Callousness is a hallmark of Indian culture. If India has money to spare it will just buy more fancy weapons to satisfy its superpower fetish. And it has been like this since day one August 15 1947.

    Replies: @Kaz, @julius caesar, @res

    , @athEIst
    @res

    So, extrapolate your graph for me. What year will shitting in the street become(to be kind) less than commonplace?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  22. This is the perfect time for my Rescue in Place plan for refugees and economic immigrants which entails buying or leasing or being given land to start a colony. At first the economy will be started from scratch but thereafter should be self-sustaining. The idea being for the colonists to be employed providing goods and services to their fellow colonists; thereby eliminating the need for refugee populations to disrupt societies already underway.

    Also, slightly OT. It was so hot outside today I was certain I’d incurred some brain poaching. Looking at several garbled posts of comments from earlier I realize, however, that my gray matter survived well enough but something’s definitely wrong with a few of the regulars here on isteve.

    Life is so strange.

  23. Anon[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    And this welcomeness is shown by the millions of Europeans who have been granted citizenship in China every year. Oh wait...

    Replies: @DuanDiRen, @Anon, @Anon

    I don’t think that it’s that much harder for a European to naturalize to Chinese cititizenship than it is anywhere else. There is not much demand for it. You can’t keep your original citizenship, so, for instance, the Canadian or Mexican or Israeli passport has got to go. This is the same in Japan, although not really enforced.

    Which reminds me: outlawing dual citizenship would be a good thing for the U.S., I think. You could become a U.S. citizen if (1) your native country offers a procedure for definitively renouncing your citizenship (not all do, e.g. Iran), and (2) you go through this procedure and supply proof of it.

    We could have an exception for Iran type countries that involves recording a YouTube video where you call the head of state of your birth country various bad names.

  24. @res
    If that projection for India comes to pass it will be impressive. It looks feasible based on this (I am not sure how the thresholds relate to your graph) from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/India_Poverty_Chart.png

    Replies: @DB Cooper, @athEIst

    Not going to happen. Callousness is a hallmark of Indian culture. If India has money to spare it will just buy more fancy weapons to satisfy its superpower fetish. And it has been like this since day one August 15 1947.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    @DB Cooper

    India shares a border with China and Pakistan. I can't blame them for investing in their military.

    Replies: @DB Cooper, @Daniel Chieh

    , @julius caesar
    @DB Cooper

    It's kind of strange how taboos prevent people from doing the very thing needed for civilizational survival. If the world will end up turning into a giant version of Africa, the blame must go to White Guilt.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @res
    @DB Cooper

    I'm inclined to be skeptical as well, but that 2009-2011 decrease in poverty is impressive.

  25. Kinda depends on ones definition of “extreme poverty” no?

    With 594 million people defecating in the open and 44 per cent mothers disposing their children’s faeces in the open, there is a very high risk of microbial contamination (bacteria, viruses, amoeba) of water which causes diarrhoea in children.

    Only a quarter the total population in India has drinking water on their premise.

    Source: http://unicef.in/Story/1125/Water–Environment-and-Sanitation

    Call me old-fashioned, but if you’re shitting in the street and drinking feces & urine contaminated water, you’re about as “poor” as one can be. India remains today the worlds shittiest shithole country although Nigeria is certainly trying to catch up. My money though is on Congo/DRC in the long run.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Stan d Mute

    " India remains today the worlds shittiest shithole country although Nigeria is certainly trying to catch up. My money though is on Congo/DRC in the long run."

    Congo is way, way worse than India - with the added bonus of armed thugs of many different sorts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2008/jan/09/travelbooks.democraticrepublicofcongo

  26. @Polynikes
    What's the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese - style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stan d Mute, @Das, @Erik Sieven, @It's All Ball Bearings

    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW – we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    • Agree: Mishra
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stan d Mute

    As dumb as the vast majority of Indians are, and they really are especially dumb, it seems to me that they could be trained to dig holes and cover their shit up. Human shit when properly buried is excellent fertilizer: the dangerous microbes die out and worms eat it and it enhances the soil.

    Orientals have been eating produce grown in their own shit for centuries without ill effect: indeed, Air Force old timers can tell you that when Kadena opened, the local produce was considered esculent by the airmen and their wives until it was "discovered" the locals were growing it in their own shit, and no one got sick eating it. Then American produce was imported specially, the contracts for which made the vendors rich, much like importing Milwaukee pisswater to Germany.

    http://humanurehandbook.com/Slider_Photos/Phoebe_banner.jpg

    https://www.amazon.com/Humanure-Handbook-Guide-Composting-Manure/dp/0964425831/

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Stan d Mute

    To be fair, Hindus have divine protection from getting sick. Westerners don't believe and thats why they succumb when travelling there.



    Shitala
    ...A demon named Jwarasur, the demon of fever, started spreading incurable diseases to Katyayani's childhood friends, such as cholera, dysentery, measles, smallpox etc. Katyayani cured the diseases of some of her friends. To relieve the world from all fevers and diseases, Katyayani assumed the form of Shitala Devi. Each of her four hands held a short broom, winnowing fan, jar of cooling water and a drinking cup. With her power, she cured all the children's diseases.

     

    , @Kylie
    @Stan d Mute

    Exactly. African problems require African solutions implemented and contained on the African continent.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Stan d Mute


    There is no answer except containment.
     
    We have a winner!

    The word "containment" needs to be continually used with regard to handling Africa as it was with communism. People should hear "Africa" and think "containment".
  27. @DB Cooper
    @res

    Not going to happen. Callousness is a hallmark of Indian culture. If India has money to spare it will just buy more fancy weapons to satisfy its superpower fetish. And it has been like this since day one August 15 1947.

    Replies: @Kaz, @julius caesar, @res

    India shares a border with China and Pakistan. I can’t blame them for investing in their military.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    @Kaz

    And buying an aircraft carrier to defend against China and Pakistan in 1957? Really?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Kaz

    It'll be more effective and less expensive for them to invest in EW & AS/AD rather than boondoggles such as aircraft carriers(especially as they don't really have carrier-deployed aircraft); basically what Russia and China does, both countries with significant and serious military concerns. Indian military procurement is a weird mess.

  28. EXTREME POVERTY IN TODAY’S WORLD IS LARGELY ABOUT AFRICA

    I know what let’s do! Let’s let them multiply as fast as humanly possible, and spread them all over this god-forsaken globe! Billions of them! Then we’ll be sittin’ pretty!

  29. Anonymous[506] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.
     
    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW - we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kylie, @AnotherDad

    As dumb as the vast majority of Indians are, and they really are especially dumb, it seems to me that they could be trained to dig holes and cover their shit up. Human shit when properly buried is excellent fertilizer: the dangerous microbes die out and worms eat it and it enhances the soil.

    Orientals have been eating produce grown in their own shit for centuries without ill effect: indeed, Air Force old timers can tell you that when Kadena opened, the local produce was considered esculent by the airmen and their wives until it was “discovered” the locals were growing it in their own shit, and no one got sick eating it. Then American produce was imported specially, the contracts for which made the vendors rich, much like importing Milwaukee pisswater to Germany.

  30. @Kaz
    @DB Cooper

    India shares a border with China and Pakistan. I can't blame them for investing in their military.

    Replies: @DB Cooper, @Daniel Chieh

    And buying an aircraft carrier to defend against China and Pakistan in 1957? Really?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @DB Cooper


    And buying an aircraft carrier to defend against China and Pakistan in 1957? Really?
     
    From Wikipedia:

    India purchased the incomplete carrier in 1957, and construction was completed in 1961. Vikrant was commissioned as the first aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy and played a key role in enforcing the naval blockade of East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.
     
    Sounds like it came in handy...
  31. @DB Cooper
    The graph shows the result of billions of dollars poured into India from Bill Gates Foundation.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Think again. If Bill Gates poured a billion dollars into India, he’d make each Indian all of $0.70 richer.

  32. Das says:
    @Polynikes
    What's the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese - style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stan d Mute, @Das, @Erik Sieven, @It's All Ball Bearings

    I don’t think family planning programs have really been tried in Africa in recent decades due to anti-racist and religious backlash and the incompetence of the local governments. Birth control and abortion are not easily accessible in Africa.

    Unfortunately, one of the first things Trump did as president was cut off family planning funds to the Third World.

    My guess is that if the West introduced a multi-billion dollar program similar to Bush’s AIDS drug plan that would provide free birth control in Africa, there would be plenty of takers and the birth rates would decline at least somewhat.

    Since Trump barred US funds for that purpose, maybe Europe can pay for it? Dunno.

  33. and thats why this whole “good news” and “world is getting bigger” narrative by Pinker and Rosberg is wrong. Globals statistics on poverty etc. are still getting better, because the positive effect in Non-Subsaharan African countries is statistically still stronger than the effect of the population growth in Subsaharan Africa. But soon the effect of population in Africa will be stronger, thats when the Subsaharan Africa share of world population reaches a critical point. Then – given constant poverty in Africa and continued economic growth outside of Subsaharan Africa – global poverty statistics will be merely a function of the African share of the world population. And thats why in 2100 the world as a whole will be much farer away from the “Millennium Goals” than it is right now.

  34. Maybe the number of impoverished in Africa wouldn’t be going up so much if the population in Africa wasn’t exploding.

    But that’s obviously racist, so what I mean to say is that we should solve this problem by sending them lots more resources so that they’re no longer poor, just like how we fixed poverty here in America.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Michael S

    That's right, the African economy has actually grown at a respectable rate over the last half-century. The problem is that population has grown much faster.

  35. @Stan d Mute
    Kinda depends on ones definition of “extreme poverty” no?

    With 594 million people defecating in the open and 44 per cent mothers disposing their children’s faeces in the open, there is a very high risk of microbial contamination (bacteria, viruses, amoeba) of water which causes diarrhoea in children.
     

    Only a quarter the total population in India has drinking water on their premise.
     
    Source: http://unicef.in/Story/1125/Water--Environment-and-Sanitation

    Call me old-fashioned, but if you’re shitting in the street and drinking feces & urine contaminated water, you’re about as “poor” as one can be. India remains today the worlds shittiest shithole country although Nigeria is certainly trying to catch up. My money though is on Congo/DRC in the long run.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” India remains today the worlds shittiest shithole country although Nigeria is certainly trying to catch up. My money though is on Congo/DRC in the long run.”

    Congo is way, way worse than India – with the added bonus of armed thugs of many different sorts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2008/jan/09/travelbooks.democraticrepublicofcongo

  36. @Polynikes
    What's the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese - style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stan d Mute, @Das, @Erik Sieven, @It's All Ball Bearings

    first of all: openly speak about it. Africans should explicitly be told to have fewer children. International organizations should have explicit missions which aim at lower fertility in Subsaharan Africa. Non-Subsaharan African should speak about it when meeting with African leaders. The goal needs to be clear: lower TFR in Subsaharan Africa.. Than let the ideas compete. Maybe let the countries compete.

  37. To tackle Africa on the offensive,

    Stop draining and scraping African mining resources and hauling them to the US, China, EU. Then let get Africa high on it’s own supply.

    Won’t do? Probably not, it would drop relative wealth for the out of Africa critters, including white identity expatriates. Would that matter much? No.

    What matters is that the supra national elites need Africa to stay drugged on it’s mining resources. So poverty is a good thing indeed. A good measure, steal and rape ten-thousand times to providing aid, after all it is public policy to keep the general deplorable asleep. Flaunt the help, call the stealing trade.

  38. @DB Cooper
    @res

    Not going to happen. Callousness is a hallmark of Indian culture. If India has money to spare it will just buy more fancy weapons to satisfy its superpower fetish. And it has been like this since day one August 15 1947.

    Replies: @Kaz, @julius caesar, @res

    It’s kind of strange how taboos prevent people from doing the very thing needed for civilizational survival. If the world will end up turning into a giant version of Africa, the blame must go to White Guilt.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @julius caesar


    If the world will end up turning into a giant version of Africa, the blame must go to White Guilt.
     
    Never going to happen.

    The West may destroy itself--though i'm hopefully some nations in the West will "pull up" and not fly into the ground.

    But the Chinese are not going to let Africans flood in. Neither are the Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Russians, Latin Americans, Indonesians, Persians, Arabs.

    No one else is remotely this "stupid" or more on point "silly"--addled by minoritarian propaganda from Hollyweird, absorbed into elite ideology.
  39. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I can’t understand how extreme poverty is plummeting so fast in India after 2014. Modi was elected in May 2014. He has slashed the welfare state since taking office. It just doesn’t make sense for poverty to drop so fast when the spending is withdrawn.

    Some might say it’s because the economy has grown robustly under Modi. However, there are a lot of doubts about the quality of economic data since 2014. Generally it is believed India is growing at around 5-6% rather than the official figures of 7%+. For a country with a labor pool expanding at almost 2% per year 5-6% growth is OK performance and doesn’t explain the rapid decline in poverty.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Anonymous

    I am also uncertain, but if true, this can be a hopeful sign. Remittances?

    , @rec1man
    @Anonymous

    Modi has tightened up leakages in the public welfare system

    Now the poor actually receive the benefits ( mostly )

    Previously under Congress regime, 85% of welfare spending was stolen

    Modi has also cut down sharply on black money,

    Most of the welfare benefits are being computerised and even the poor have bank accounts, and money is directly deposited in

  40. @Polynikes
    What's the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese - style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stan d Mute, @Das, @Erik Sieven, @It's All Ball Bearings

    Ask Bono what he thinks.

  41. @DB Cooper
    @Kaz

    And buying an aircraft carrier to defend against China and Pakistan in 1957? Really?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    And buying an aircraft carrier to defend against China and Pakistan in 1957? Really?

    From Wikipedia:

    India purchased the incomplete carrier in 1957, and construction was completed in 1961. Vikrant was commissioned as the first aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy and played a key role in enforcing the naval blockade of East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

    Sounds like it came in handy…

  42. @Stan d Mute
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.
     
    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW - we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kylie, @AnotherDad

    To be fair, Hindus have divine protection from getting sick. Westerners don’t believe and thats why they succumb when travelling there.

    Shitala
    …A demon named Jwarasur, the demon of fever, started spreading incurable diseases to Katyayani’s childhood friends, such as cholera, dysentery, measles, smallpox etc. Katyayani cured the diseases of some of her friends. To relieve the world from all fevers and diseases, Katyayani assumed the form of Shitala Devi. Each of her four hands held a short broom, winnowing fan, jar of cooling water and a drinking cup. With her power, she cured all the children’s diseases.

  43. @Anonym
    @Anonymous

    An American equivalent would include blacks, for example, and probably anyone at least pre-WW2. China basically practices very hardcore civic nationalism; any ethnicity of merit is welcome, but you must lose your identity

    And this welcomeness is shown by the millions of Europeans who have been granted citizenship in China every year. Oh wait...

    Replies: @DuanDiRen, @Anon, @Anon

    Most people aren’t really that willing to lose their identity in total, but there are entire programs that welcome/aim to recruit skilled workers(especially Europeans). The green card program itself was loosened up this year, and its never been very hard to get a long-term visa to work.

    Certainly there are plenty of Europeans in Hong Kong with Chinese citizenships, and they are even allow dual citizenship for those so they don’t have to lose their British citizenship.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    Certainly there are plenty of Europeans in Hong Kong with Chinese citizenships, and they are even allow dual citizenship for those so they don’t have to lose their British citizenship.

     

    No, not really. I've lived in HK for almost 30 years, and I have what's called 'right of abode' here. I can live and work -- or not work -- as I wish. I qualify for pretty much all government-provided services and benefits. I can even vote.

    But I am not a citizen. My ID card has a different designation from HK's ethically Chinese citizens. I can lose my status if I leave HK for more than three years. Brits and other Europeans here are in the same situation.

    There is a very small number of westerners here who have become full citizens of China. But they've had to renounce any other citizenship they previously held.
  44. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer?
     
    Send in the NGOs and educate the women. Birthrate drops below replacement in 40 years max.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Aren’t we talking average IQ in the 80’s? Impossible. Africa will either be walled off to let nature take its course, or the Great Powers will re-colonize Africa.

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course, or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The Chinese can take over. They need/want land.

    , @Mr. Rational
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    China is already colonizing Africa.  They are not susceptible to emotional blackmail (weaponized empathy) so name-calling won't shame them into going back home.

    , @TheJester
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.
     
    That may be the outcome ... unless the "right" quickly assumes the ascendency in the EU. Have you noticed? Wherever the EU goes, the social rot follows.

    Can you imagine spendthrift Greece with a population of 11 million people with a $30 billion debt to German and French banks?

    Can you imagine Italy with a Total Fertility Rate of 1.39, the lowest in the EU?

    Can you imagine Spain approving abortion and euthanasia?

    Can you imagine Ireland approving abortion and electing a gay Prime Minister?

    Can you imagine EU countries opening their borders to massive immigration from sub-Saharan Africa, including sending naval units to intercept the immigrants and escort them to European shores?

    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight! We recently took a vacation to Ireland. In conversations, the Irish appear to be ecstatic about the infrastructure and other economic improvements that the EU has funded. Ireland finally has a way out of its historic poverty ... "free, heaven-sent" Euros flooding the country. Will it ever end?

    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements. The EU bureaucracy not only specifies the size and shape of carrots, it also specifies how the citizens of the EU will relate to one another in the new gender-free, nationality-free, racially-free, culturally-free, religion-free, globalist utopia ... which, by the way, closely resembles the Cultural Marxist agenda of old for a gender-free, nationality-free, racially free, religion-free, culturally-free, communist utopia.

    The EU will have to either quickly dissolve into constituent countries to save itself ... or suffer the permanent demographic, cultural, and social consequences of trying to survive in the Cultural Marxist utopia being dictated to its populations by faceless EU bureaucrats.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Peter Akuleyev

  45. African population growth is an area where American Republican policies have been disastrous, and Trump is no exception.

    https://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/usaid-cuts-family-planning-services-in-africa-amid-trump-abortion-rule-15104109

    The US should be offering free abortions in Africa. American evangelicals are going to be the death of us all.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Let's just kill 'em all! why only the unborn babies? Let's go for the toddlers too and especially the ones who don't look smart or healthy. Cull the herd I say.

    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don't want to know what the question is.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Peter Akuleyev

  46. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Tiny Ducj
     
    Tiny really needs to oil his typewriter now-- The errors are showing up in blue.

    How about "Tiny Duce"?

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5d/eb/b1/5debb190a69f9671084c46d82b8c464b--italian-army-king-and-country.jpg

    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1TWXKIFXXXXXEXXXXq6xXFXXXH/Resin-Model-Mussolini.jpg

    https://img.etsystatic.com/il/660ffa/718539591/il_570xN.718539591_2yos.jpg?version=0

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    How about “Tiny Deuce”?

  47. BobX [AKA "Bob who questions Brookings India graph"] says:

    “India has made some progress against stunting from 48% of children a decade ago to about 38.6% today”

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/06/india-and-worlds-economic-problem-of-people-with-iq-below-83.html

    • Replies: @Craken
    @BobX

    This number means far more than the economists' "extreme poverty" number. One can accurately measure the number of stunted children quite easily. The number for extreme poverty is arbitrary and based on unreliable statistics.
    The percentage of stunted children is a good proxy for extreme poverty--awfully high still at 38.6%. By extrapolation, the number goes to zero in 40 years. The graph from the Brookings hacks takes extreme poverty to zero in 6-8 years. They're wrong.

  48. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Aren't we talking average IQ in the 80's? Impossible. Africa will either be walled off to let nature take its course, or the Great Powers will re-colonize Africa.

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course, or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Rational, @TheJester

    The Chinese can take over. They need/want land.

  49. When they were slaves, the are considered human capital. The “reason” for Africas backwardness is that the slave trade exported “human capital” and impoverished Africa. Now that “capital” has turned into unwanted economic migrants. Plus imperialism, naturally.

    Give Africa its human capital back.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  50. @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    >Africans
    >husbands

    Pick one.

  51. @Anonymous
    Africans need to be let into the west so that's the poverty of Africa can be alleviated

    This will also help western women find suitable strong husbands

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin, @Steve in Greensboro

    Wow Ducky! How do you get so drunk that the system misspells your own name? We care about you (not much, but we do care). So cut back on the Olde English forties. At least until you finish your essays.

  52. @Dillinger
    @Redneck farmer

    Make food aid contingent on the women getting hysterectomies?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Plugs in the fallopian tubes are a lot cheaper, and endometrial ablation accomplishes the same end a lot less invasively.

    This is what we should be offering bonuses to our underclass females to have done.  Make the bonus on a sliding scale based on points for things like criminal and drug offenses, academic failure, lack of employment history, etc.  The most dysfunctional should get the biggest bonuses.  We can afford to pay e.g. 5 years of what such women would cost the public based on the averages for their statistical cohort vs. what their childless equivalents cost.  Most have such short time horizons that they’d very happily take the money.

    Of course, first we have to stop them from becoming parents before they turn 18 and can legally agree to be fixed.  It would probably not work without mandatory implanted/injected contraception for children on welfare.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  53. @DuanDiRen
    @Anonym

    Chinese ideas about racial minorities are very interesting. One thing that Western people tend to miss is that Chinese tolerance for racial minorities in China is perfectly inversely correlated to the size of the minority - always. If you are a member of a tiny tribe of 60,000 from somewhere in Yunnan, you will be perfectly welcome to take part in civic life. As the size of the minority grows, Han acceptance drops. Virtually all ethnic conflict in China is between the two largest minorities (Hui and Uighurs) and the Han.

    An observer might think that the Han want to preserve their country for themselves and their posterity...

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I once worked for a Chinese group leader under a Chinese manager.  Very different Chinese, though.  The manager was your typical Han, round-faced, something right out of a Mao-era poster.  The guy immediately above me was from Sichuan province and had much sharper features and slightly darker skin.  He mentioned that the reason he had moved to the United States is because the Han didn’t like people from his ethny.  He and his wife were definitely neither Hui nor Uighur.

    So yes, China does have racial discrimination even between non-muslim Chinese.

    (The group leader shortly switched jobs to be out from under the Han manager.  That’s how bad it apparently is.)

  54. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Aren't we talking average IQ in the 80's? Impossible. Africa will either be walled off to let nature take its course, or the Great Powers will re-colonize Africa.

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course, or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Rational, @TheJester

    China is already colonizing Africa.  They are not susceptible to emotional blackmail (weaponized empathy) so name-calling won’t shame them into going back home.

  55. @DB Cooper
    @res

    Not going to happen. Callousness is a hallmark of Indian culture. If India has money to spare it will just buy more fancy weapons to satisfy its superpower fetish. And it has been like this since day one August 15 1947.

    Replies: @Kaz, @julius caesar, @res

    I’m inclined to be skeptical as well, but that 2009-2011 decrease in poverty is impressive.

  56. While it wouldn’t surprise me if this graph was true in general, I have to agree with the commenters at the Brookings link that the data behind this graph seems a little shallow.

  57. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Aren't we talking average IQ in the 80's? Impossible. Africa will either be walled off to let nature take its course, or the Great Powers will re-colonize Africa.

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course, or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Rational, @TheJester

    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.

    That may be the outcome … unless the “right” quickly assumes the ascendency in the EU. Have you noticed? Wherever the EU goes, the social rot follows.

    Can you imagine spendthrift Greece with a population of 11 million people with a $30 billion debt to German and French banks?

    Can you imagine Italy with a Total Fertility Rate of 1.39, the lowest in the EU?

    Can you imagine Spain approving abortion and euthanasia?

    Can you imagine Ireland approving abortion and electing a gay Prime Minister?

    Can you imagine EU countries opening their borders to massive immigration from sub-Saharan Africa, including sending naval units to intercept the immigrants and escort them to European shores?

    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight! We recently took a vacation to Ireland. In conversations, the Irish appear to be ecstatic about the infrastructure and other economic improvements that the EU has funded. Ireland finally has a way out of its historic poverty … “free, heaven-sent” Euros flooding the country. Will it ever end?

    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements. The EU bureaucracy not only specifies the size and shape of carrots, it also specifies how the citizens of the EU will relate to one another in the new gender-free, nationality-free, racially-free, culturally-free, religion-free, globalist utopia … which, by the way, closely resembles the Cultural Marxist agenda of old for a gender-free, nationality-free, racially free, religion-free, culturally-free, communist utopia.

    The EU will have to either quickly dissolve into constituent countries to save itself … or suffer the permanent demographic, cultural, and social consequences of trying to survive in the Cultural Marxist utopia being dictated to its populations by faceless EU bureaucrats.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @TheJester


    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements.
     
    Arguably the US tries to do this too, so the EU is just executing the effort to spread "European values" much more effectively.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @TheJester


    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight!
     
    You are completely confusing cause and effect. There are no EU cultural values. I live in an EU country, the EU takes our tax money and redistributes it. Mostly to line politicians pockets and build infrastructure in Poland and Bulgaria. EU influence on values is close to nil. FIFA, with their constant "don't be racist!" campaigns has probably done more harm than the EU. Western societies in every European, and European descended, country have been moving inexorably leftwards for centuries now. There hasn't even been one successful example of turning back the clock. The best you can say is that Franco managed to perform a holding action but when the damn burst Spain almost immediately became the most homosexual friendly country in Europe. Even Russia is far more of a SWPL country today than it was under actual Communism! The roots of leftist social values lie mostly in affluence and the lack of apparent consequences for violating social norms. Is there any wealthy society on the planet, or in history, that hasn't eventually turned decadent and soft?

    Replies: @TheJester

  58. @Anonymous
    I can't understand how extreme poverty is plummeting so fast in India after 2014. Modi was elected in May 2014. He has slashed the welfare state since taking office. It just doesn't make sense for poverty to drop so fast when the spending is withdrawn.

    Some might say it's because the economy has grown robustly under Modi. However, there are a lot of doubts about the quality of economic data since 2014. Generally it is believed India is growing at around 5-6% rather than the official figures of 7%+. For a country with a labor pool expanding at almost 2% per year 5-6% growth is OK performance and doesn't explain the rapid decline in poverty.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rec1man

    I am also uncertain, but if true, this can be a hopeful sign. Remittances?

  59. @TheJester
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.
     
    That may be the outcome ... unless the "right" quickly assumes the ascendency in the EU. Have you noticed? Wherever the EU goes, the social rot follows.

    Can you imagine spendthrift Greece with a population of 11 million people with a $30 billion debt to German and French banks?

    Can you imagine Italy with a Total Fertility Rate of 1.39, the lowest in the EU?

    Can you imagine Spain approving abortion and euthanasia?

    Can you imagine Ireland approving abortion and electing a gay Prime Minister?

    Can you imagine EU countries opening their borders to massive immigration from sub-Saharan Africa, including sending naval units to intercept the immigrants and escort them to European shores?

    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight! We recently took a vacation to Ireland. In conversations, the Irish appear to be ecstatic about the infrastructure and other economic improvements that the EU has funded. Ireland finally has a way out of its historic poverty ... "free, heaven-sent" Euros flooding the country. Will it ever end?

    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements. The EU bureaucracy not only specifies the size and shape of carrots, it also specifies how the citizens of the EU will relate to one another in the new gender-free, nationality-free, racially-free, culturally-free, religion-free, globalist utopia ... which, by the way, closely resembles the Cultural Marxist agenda of old for a gender-free, nationality-free, racially free, religion-free, culturally-free, communist utopia.

    The EU will have to either quickly dissolve into constituent countries to save itself ... or suffer the permanent demographic, cultural, and social consequences of trying to survive in the Cultural Marxist utopia being dictated to its populations by faceless EU bureaucrats.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Peter Akuleyev

    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements.

    Arguably the US tries to do this too, so the EU is just executing the effort to spread “European values” much more effectively.

  60. @Peter Akuleyev
    African population growth is an area where American Republican policies have been disastrous, and Trump is no exception.

    https://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/usaid-cuts-family-planning-services-in-africa-amid-trump-abortion-rule-15104109


    The US should be offering free abortions in Africa. American evangelicals are going to be the death of us all.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Let’s just kill ’em all! why only the unborn babies? Let’s go for the toddlers too and especially the ones who don’t look smart or healthy. Cull the herd I say.

    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don’t want to know what the question is.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @stillCARealist

    Agree.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @stillCARealist


    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don’t want to know what the question is.
     
    The question is simple - do you want to live in a world where Sub-Saharan Africans constitute most of the human race? Do you have an answer? But you do have a point - promoting birth control would be preferable to abortions, but the current White House/GOP is against that as well.
  61. @Kaz
    @DB Cooper

    India shares a border with China and Pakistan. I can't blame them for investing in their military.

    Replies: @DB Cooper, @Daniel Chieh

    It’ll be more effective and less expensive for them to invest in EW & AS/AD rather than boondoggles such as aircraft carriers(especially as they don’t really have carrier-deployed aircraft); basically what Russia and China does, both countries with significant and serious military concerns. Indian military procurement is a weird mess.

  62. @Stan d Mute
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.
     
    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW - we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kylie, @AnotherDad

    Exactly. African problems require African solutions implemented and contained on the African continent.

  63. @Stan d Mute
    @Polynikes


    What’s the answer? Less aid to Africa? Chinese – style one kid policy? Obviously, abstinence education and condom education has failed.
     
    There is no answer except containment.

    Look at India, after hundreds of years of British rule and guidance, after developing nuclear weapons and a space program, they still have SIX HUNDRED MILLION people shitting in the streets. Twice the population of America daily dropping their loads into their water supplies. And Africans are even lower IQ?

    BTW - we really need more H1b visa Indians..

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Kylie, @AnotherDad

    There is no answer except containment.

    We have a winner!

    The word “containment” needs to be continually used with regard to handling Africa as it was with communism. People should hear “Africa” and think “containment”.

  64. @julius caesar
    @DB Cooper

    It's kind of strange how taboos prevent people from doing the very thing needed for civilizational survival. If the world will end up turning into a giant version of Africa, the blame must go to White Guilt.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    If the world will end up turning into a giant version of Africa, the blame must go to White Guilt.

    Never going to happen.

    The West may destroy itself–though i’m hopefully some nations in the West will “pull up” and not fly into the ground.

    But the Chinese are not going to let Africans flood in. Neither are the Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Russians, Latin Americans, Indonesians, Persians, Arabs.

    No one else is remotely this “stupid” or more on point “silly”–addled by minoritarian propaganda from Hollyweird, absorbed into elite ideology.

  65. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    The best thing we can hope for is for the Chinese to take over Africa and clean it up. It is already happening.

  66. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    The weak huwhite beta male needs to be whipped back into patriarchal shape by a strong African wymyn. Look at the great example of the Reddit founder and Serena Williams.

    Traditional African corporal discipline will restore the dignity of the family and a stable patriarchal order.

    The future is thicc, no longer will the wymyn of Africa be segregated with the AIDS-ridden men of their own culture.

    Replies: @Logan

    Uhh. Isn’t strong women forcing men to be patriarchal a tad oxymoronic?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Logan

    Wymyn crave dominance, strong black independent wymyn even more so...

    Huwhite beta males are inbred and cucked by their own wymyn. African wymyn will show them non-toxic masculinity, not the lies of the huwhite supremists.

  67. @TheJester
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    A third alternative is let Africans into nearby Europe, and in two generations a future iSteve can host a blog where the commenters debate whether to wall off Europe to let nature take its course or to let the Great Powers colonize Europe.
     
    That may be the outcome ... unless the "right" quickly assumes the ascendency in the EU. Have you noticed? Wherever the EU goes, the social rot follows.

    Can you imagine spendthrift Greece with a population of 11 million people with a $30 billion debt to German and French banks?

    Can you imagine Italy with a Total Fertility Rate of 1.39, the lowest in the EU?

    Can you imagine Spain approving abortion and euthanasia?

    Can you imagine Ireland approving abortion and electing a gay Prime Minister?

    Can you imagine EU countries opening their borders to massive immigration from sub-Saharan Africa, including sending naval units to intercept the immigrants and escort them to European shores?

    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight! We recently took a vacation to Ireland. In conversations, the Irish appear to be ecstatic about the infrastructure and other economic improvements that the EU has funded. Ireland finally has a way out of its historic poverty ... "free, heaven-sent" Euros flooding the country. Will it ever end?

    The catch is that the Irish also have to accept the EU social agenda. With infrastructure improvements come social improvements. The EU bureaucracy not only specifies the size and shape of carrots, it also specifies how the citizens of the EU will relate to one another in the new gender-free, nationality-free, racially-free, culturally-free, religion-free, globalist utopia ... which, by the way, closely resembles the Cultural Marxist agenda of old for a gender-free, nationality-free, racially free, religion-free, culturally-free, communist utopia.

    The EU will have to either quickly dissolve into constituent countries to save itself ... or suffer the permanent demographic, cultural, and social consequences of trying to survive in the Cultural Marxist utopia being dictated to its populations by faceless EU bureaucrats.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Peter Akuleyev

    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight!

    You are completely confusing cause and effect. There are no EU cultural values. I live in an EU country, the EU takes our tax money and redistributes it. Mostly to line politicians pockets and build infrastructure in Poland and Bulgaria. EU influence on values is close to nil. FIFA, with their constant “don’t be racist!” campaigns has probably done more harm than the EU. Western societies in every European, and European descended, country have been moving inexorably leftwards for centuries now. There hasn’t even been one successful example of turning back the clock. The best you can say is that Franco managed to perform a holding action but when the damn burst Spain almost immediately became the most homosexual friendly country in Europe. Even Russia is far more of a SWPL country today than it was under actual Communism! The roots of leftist social values lie mostly in affluence and the lack of apparent consequences for violating social norms. Is there any wealthy society on the planet, or in history, that hasn’t eventually turned decadent and soft?

    • Replies: @TheJester
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Gabrielle Kuby has an excellent book, "The Global Sexual Revolution: Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom," that documents the EU's role in the march of anti-Christian, anti-family, and anti-democratic Cultural Marxist values throughout the EU once the bureaucrats get their clutches on subject populations in member countries. It is available on Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=node%3D154606011&field-keywords=GABRIELE+KUBY++&rh=n%3A154606011%2Ck%3AGABRIELE+KUBY++

    To join the EU is to sell one's collective freedom, heritage, culture, and future to the devil. The Greeks, especially, might have something useful to say in this regard. The British might also if they were still a country, which is precisely the point. The EU's hostile reaction to the recent election of Euro-skeptics to govern Italy is another case in point.

    The thinly-veiled threats of Gunther Oettinger, EU Budget Commissioner, directed at Italy after the election says it all: "My Concerns and expectations are that the coming weeks will show that markets, government bonds, and Italy’s economy could be so drastically impacted that they serve as a signal to voters not to vote for populist on the right and left.”

    The four EU member states composing the Visegrad Group (Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland) seem to recognize the threat represented by the EU and are reacting with foresight to protect their freedom, heritages, cultures, and futures from marauding EU bureaucrats.

    As for the Irish, it seems that they have made their pact with the devil and are comfortable with it. They will willingly become a post-Christian Cultural Marxist society as long as the "mana from heaven" (EU subsidies) keep coming their way. The next EU "bone" being thrown to Ireland to keep them in line is energy independence. How sad! This begs the question: How many Euros did Judas need to buy his soul?

    https://themarketmogul.com/eu-subsidise-irish-energy-independence/

  68. China and Africa are reciprocals. China doesn’t have enough land to develop, and Africa has too much undeveloped land. The answer?

    THE TIENANMEN SQUARE PLAN.

    Using Chinese Tanks to plow over unnecessary flora and bipeds, the problems of Asia and Africa can come at only the cost of things we do not actually care about.

    Even now Tibet hosts Chinese development. If only this kind of development could be redirected at some place with useless overflows of outdated bipeds better left behind in the Fossil Record.

    FOSSIL FUELS DO NOT JUST HAPPEN. NEW OUTDATED LIFE FORMS NEED TO BE CULLED.

    THE TIENANMEN SQUARE PLAN.

    Deep down, you know I am Right.

  69. @Anonymous
    I can't understand how extreme poverty is plummeting so fast in India after 2014. Modi was elected in May 2014. He has slashed the welfare state since taking office. It just doesn't make sense for poverty to drop so fast when the spending is withdrawn.

    Some might say it's because the economy has grown robustly under Modi. However, there are a lot of doubts about the quality of economic data since 2014. Generally it is believed India is growing at around 5-6% rather than the official figures of 7%+. For a country with a labor pool expanding at almost 2% per year 5-6% growth is OK performance and doesn't explain the rapid decline in poverty.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @rec1man

    Modi has tightened up leakages in the public welfare system

    Now the poor actually receive the benefits ( mostly )

    Previously under Congress regime, 85% of welfare spending was stolen

    Modi has also cut down sharply on black money,

    Most of the welfare benefits are being computerised and even the poor have bank accounts, and money is directly deposited in

  70. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael S
    Maybe the number of impoverished in Africa wouldn't be going up so much if the population in Africa wasn't exploding.

    But that's obviously racist, so what I mean to say is that we should solve this problem by sending them lots more resources so that they're no longer poor, just like how we fixed poverty here in America.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That’s right, the African economy has actually grown at a respectable rate over the last half-century. The problem is that population has grown much faster.

  71. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:

    The recent rapid reduction in extreme poverty in India is for real. IQ absolutists here will have to swallow it. The rate of reduction has been greater than what China managed, although 1-2 decades ago

    It is happening due to the following reasons.

    1. Sustained 7.0+% economic growth, now in an upward trend
    2. Indian total fertility rate, TFR is dropping sharply to almost replacement level in 2018 (2.2, all states except 3 large northern states are below replacement)
    3. In the last 4 years India has built 75,000,000 toilets and now almost 90% of population has access to a toilet. It hopes to achieve 100% coverage by 2019.
    4. India finally finished electrifying all its villages in 2018, it plans to electrify all households (30 million left) in the next couple of years
    5. 250 million previously un banked poor have been given new back accounts
    6. Indian cell phone subscriber base is over a billion now (well over 50% smart phones)
    7. India is building 25 km/day or highways and 150 kms/day rural roads for last mile connectivity to all its villages (100,000 odd of 700,000 remaining)
    8. India is giving clean cooking gas (Liquefied Petroleum Gas LPG) supply to all its households. After poor sanitation indoor pollution is the biggest health issue for poor masses. It added 73 million new mostly rural customers in the last 2 years, hopes to connect all households in the next few years
    9. There is a massive affordable home building program going on nationwide. 5-10 million homes a year
    10. Primary school enrollment is already at 100% and secondary school enrollment is also expected to get to 100% in the near future.
    11. The Indian government is using computerized direct cash payment for welfare benefits to the poor (into their new accounts)

    • Replies: @Craken
    @Anon


    After poor sanitation indoor pollution is the biggest health issue for poor masses.
     
    I would have thought that the high rate of child malnutrition was the main problem of India's poor. When over 40% of the nation's children are so frankly malnourished as to be physically stunted, and therefore mentally stunted as well, that bodes ill for the nation's future. Low IQ nations do not succeed in any domain.

    Replies: @Anon

  72. @Peter Akuleyev
    @TheJester


    Joining the EU can apparently transform a society almost overnight!
     
    You are completely confusing cause and effect. There are no EU cultural values. I live in an EU country, the EU takes our tax money and redistributes it. Mostly to line politicians pockets and build infrastructure in Poland and Bulgaria. EU influence on values is close to nil. FIFA, with their constant "don't be racist!" campaigns has probably done more harm than the EU. Western societies in every European, and European descended, country have been moving inexorably leftwards for centuries now. There hasn't even been one successful example of turning back the clock. The best you can say is that Franco managed to perform a holding action but when the damn burst Spain almost immediately became the most homosexual friendly country in Europe. Even Russia is far more of a SWPL country today than it was under actual Communism! The roots of leftist social values lie mostly in affluence and the lack of apparent consequences for violating social norms. Is there any wealthy society on the planet, or in history, that hasn't eventually turned decadent and soft?

    Replies: @TheJester

    Gabrielle Kuby has an excellent book, “The Global Sexual Revolution: Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom,” that documents the EU’s role in the march of anti-Christian, anti-family, and anti-democratic Cultural Marxist values throughout the EU once the bureaucrats get their clutches on subject populations in member countries. It is available on Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=node%3D154606011&field-keywords=GABRIELE+KUBY++&rh=n%3A154606011%2Ck%3AGABRIELE+KUBY++

    To join the EU is to sell one’s collective freedom, heritage, culture, and future to the devil. The Greeks, especially, might have something useful to say in this regard. The British might also if they were still a country, which is precisely the point. The EU’s hostile reaction to the recent election of Euro-skeptics to govern Italy is another case in point.

    The thinly-veiled threats of Gunther Oettinger, EU Budget Commissioner, directed at Italy after the election says it all: “My Concerns and expectations are that the coming weeks will show that markets, government bonds, and Italy’s economy could be so drastically impacted that they serve as a signal to voters not to vote for populist on the right and left.”

    The four EU member states composing the Visegrad Group (Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Poland) seem to recognize the threat represented by the EU and are reacting with foresight to protect their freedom, heritages, cultures, and futures from marauding EU bureaucrats.

    As for the Irish, it seems that they have made their pact with the devil and are comfortable with it. They will willingly become a post-Christian Cultural Marxist society as long as the “mana from heaven” (EU subsidies) keep coming their way. The next EU “bone” being thrown to Ireland to keep them in line is energy independence. How sad! This begs the question: How many Euros did Judas need to buy his soul?

    https://themarketmogul.com/eu-subsidise-irish-energy-independence/

  73. @Anon
    @Anonym

    Most people aren't really that willing to lose their identity in total, but there are entire programs that welcome/aim to recruit skilled workers(especially Europeans). The green card program itself was loosened up this year, and its never been very hard to get a long-term visa to work.

    Certainly there are plenty of Europeans in Hong Kong with Chinese citizenships, and they are even allow dual citizenship for those so they don't have to lose their British citizenship.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Certainly there are plenty of Europeans in Hong Kong with Chinese citizenships, and they are even allow dual citizenship for those so they don’t have to lose their British citizenship.

    No, not really. I’ve lived in HK for almost 30 years, and I have what’s called ‘right of abode’ here. I can live and work — or not work — as I wish. I qualify for pretty much all government-provided services and benefits. I can even vote.

    But I am not a citizen. My ID card has a different designation from HK’s ethically Chinese citizens. I can lose my status if I leave HK for more than three years. Brits and other Europeans here are in the same situation.

    There is a very small number of westerners here who have become full citizens of China. But they’ve had to renounce any other citizenship they previously held.

  74. @Logan
    @Anon

    Uhh. Isn't strong women forcing men to be patriarchal a tad oxymoronic?

    Replies: @Anon

    Wymyn crave dominance, strong black independent wymyn even more so…

    Huwhite beta males are inbred and cucked by their own wymyn. African wymyn will show them non-toxic masculinity, not the lies of the huwhite supremists.

  75. @res
    If that projection for India comes to pass it will be impressive. It looks feasible based on this (I am not sure how the thresholds relate to your graph) from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/India_Poverty_Chart.png

    Replies: @DB Cooper, @athEIst

    So, extrapolate your graph for me. What year will shitting in the street become(to be kind) less than commonplace?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @athEIst


    So, extrapolate your graph for me. What year will shitting in the street become(to be kind) less than commonplace?
     
    Perhaps when the price of night soil collapses. But ONSEC will see that it doesn't.

    I'd say, it's complicated, but it's more like it's composted.
  76. Nigeria and the DRC are not Africa.

    Further, the DRC being a basket case aside. Christian Nigeria isn’t Muslim Nigeria. It’s too complicated to be memed down.

  77. @BobX
    "India has made some progress against stunting from 48% of children a decade ago to about 38.6% today"

    https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/06/india-and-worlds-economic-problem-of-people-with-iq-below-83.html

    Replies: @Craken

    This number means far more than the economists’ “extreme poverty” number. One can accurately measure the number of stunted children quite easily. The number for extreme poverty is arbitrary and based on unreliable statistics.
    The percentage of stunted children is a good proxy for extreme poverty–awfully high still at 38.6%. By extrapolation, the number goes to zero in 40 years. The graph from the Brookings hacks takes extreme poverty to zero in 6-8 years. They’re wrong.

  78. @Anon
    The recent rapid reduction in extreme poverty in India is for real. IQ absolutists here will have to swallow it. The rate of reduction has been greater than what China managed, although 1-2 decades ago

    It is happening due to the following reasons.

    1. Sustained 7.0+% economic growth, now in an upward trend
    2. Indian total fertility rate, TFR is dropping sharply to almost replacement level in 2018 (2.2, all states except 3 large northern states are below replacement)
    3. In the last 4 years India has built 75,000,000 toilets and now almost 90% of population has access to a toilet. It hopes to achieve 100% coverage by 2019.
    4. India finally finished electrifying all its villages in 2018, it plans to electrify all households (30 million left) in the next couple of years
    5. 250 million previously un banked poor have been given new back accounts
    6. Indian cell phone subscriber base is over a billion now (well over 50% smart phones)
    7. India is building 25 km/day or highways and 150 kms/day rural roads for last mile connectivity to all its villages (100,000 odd of 700,000 remaining)
    8. India is giving clean cooking gas (Liquefied Petroleum Gas LPG) supply to all its households. After poor sanitation indoor pollution is the biggest health issue for poor masses. It added 73 million new mostly rural customers in the last 2 years, hopes to connect all households in the next few years
    9. There is a massive affordable home building program going on nationwide. 5-10 million homes a year
    10. Primary school enrollment is already at 100% and secondary school enrollment is also expected to get to 100% in the near future.
    11. The Indian government is using computerized direct cash payment for welfare benefits to the poor (into their new accounts)

    Replies: @Craken

    After poor sanitation indoor pollution is the biggest health issue for poor masses.

    I would have thought that the high rate of child malnutrition was the main problem of India’s poor. When over 40% of the nation’s children are so frankly malnourished as to be physically stunted, and therefore mentally stunted as well, that bodes ill for the nation’s future. Low IQ nations do not succeed in any domain.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Craken

    Malnutrition is nutrition issue but it is also to a large extent due to poor sanitation and not availability of food. It has more to do with disease burden than starvation. India’s agri productivity has been improving at least twice the rate as its population and may increase faster in the future.
    National IQ sure is an important determinant of national success. But the evidence here indicates, Indian national IQ is sufficient for eliminating poverty. Perhaps this may be true for Africa as well,

  79. @stillCARealist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Let's just kill 'em all! why only the unborn babies? Let's go for the toddlers too and especially the ones who don't look smart or healthy. Cull the herd I say.

    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don't want to know what the question is.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Peter Akuleyev

    Agree.

  80. @Mr. Rational
    @Dillinger

    Plugs in the fallopian tubes are a lot cheaper, and endometrial ablation accomplishes the same end a lot less invasively.

    This is what we should be offering bonuses to our underclass females to have done.  Make the bonus on a sliding scale based on points for things like criminal and drug offenses, academic failure, lack of employment history, etc.  The most dysfunctional should get the biggest bonuses.  We can afford to pay e.g. 5 years of what such women would cost the public based on the averages for their statistical cohort vs. what their childless equivalents cost.  Most have such short time horizons that they'd very happily take the money.

    Of course, first we have to stop them from becoming parents before they turn 18 and can legally agree to be fixed.  It would probably not work without mandatory implanted/injected contraception for children on welfare.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.
     
    Why not?  What was false about the premises?  Nothing; we're re-proving that what was conventional wisdom at the time was true (like Morton's measurements of skull volumes), our "enlightened" (PC-brainwashed) state today notwithstanding.  What was erroneous about the reasoning?  Nothing.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.
     
    Each Black in the USA costs $10,000/year on average in services used in excess of taxes paid.  Each "Hispanic" costs about $7300 per year.  The average cost of a Medicaid birth is about $6500.  By contrast, female sterilization costs about $5600; vasectomy is closer to $1000.  To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth; preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also.  Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I'll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world.

    Not that I wouldn't mind sharing the wealth.  I'd let people help finance the work in return for a 10% share of their payoff, and re-invest their payoffs if they care to.  I'm sure I could have tens of $millions in investment in very short order.

    The results would really be something.  We could disband Head Start within a few years, as there would be no more clients.  Urban public schools would be usable by White people again!  Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950's.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  81. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.

    Why not?  What was false about the premises?  Nothing; we’re re-proving that what was conventional wisdom at the time was true (like Morton’s measurements of skull volumes), our “enlightened” (PC-brainwashed) state today notwithstanding.  What was erroneous about the reasoning?  Nothing.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.

    Each Black in the USA costs $10,000/year on average in services used in excess of taxes paid.  Each “Hispanic” costs about $7300 per year.  The average cost of a Medicaid birth is about $6500.  By contrast, female sterilization costs about $5600; vasectomy is closer to $1000.  To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth; preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also.  Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I’ll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world.

    Not that I wouldn’t mind sharing the wealth.  I’d let people help finance the work in return for a 10% share of their payoff, and re-invest their payoffs if they care to.  I’m sure I could have tens of $millions in investment in very short order.

    The results would really be something.  We could disband Head Start within a few years, as there would be no more clients.  Urban public schools would be usable by White people again!  Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950’s.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    "Why not? What was false about the premises? Nothing..."

    Eugenics was a fad best for a different time period. Too bad you weren't born in the late 1800's.
    Of course, when one reasonably looks at one of the classic cases of the eugenics movement, one easily concludes it was riddled with major flaws.

    http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/themes/39.html

    www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations

    And linking to an autistic race realist who tries to pass off “equal military” and “static military” as legitimate economic indicators, as well as making up an “equal government” designation and assigning the cost of it on a population basis, seriously, get back to us when you take off the red nose and clown shoes.

    "To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth..."

    What statistical methods are you employing here? What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?

    "preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also."

    Except you are playing God here. And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?

    "Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I’ll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world."

    "Give me", you say. Sounds like you are greedy, just like the immigrants whom you say you have total disregard for.

    "Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950′s."

    The 1950's were not that idyllic. You watched way too many Andy Griffith reruns.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  82. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craken
    @Anon


    After poor sanitation indoor pollution is the biggest health issue for poor masses.
     
    I would have thought that the high rate of child malnutrition was the main problem of India's poor. When over 40% of the nation's children are so frankly malnourished as to be physically stunted, and therefore mentally stunted as well, that bodes ill for the nation's future. Low IQ nations do not succeed in any domain.

    Replies: @Anon

    Malnutrition is nutrition issue but it is also to a large extent due to poor sanitation and not availability of food. It has more to do with disease burden than starvation. India’s agri productivity has been improving at least twice the rate as its population and may increase faster in the future.
    National IQ sure is an important determinant of national success. But the evidence here indicates, Indian national IQ is sufficient for eliminating poverty. Perhaps this may be true for Africa as well,

  83. @stillCARealist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Let's just kill 'em all! why only the unborn babies? Let's go for the toddlers too and especially the ones who don't look smart or healthy. Cull the herd I say.

    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don't want to know what the question is.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Peter Akuleyev

    Honestly Mr. A, if abortion is the answer then I don’t want to know what the question is.

    The question is simple – do you want to live in a world where Sub-Saharan Africans constitute most of the human race? Do you have an answer? But you do have a point – promoting birth control would be preferable to abortions, but the current White House/GOP is against that as well.

  84. @athEIst
    @res

    So, extrapolate your graph for me. What year will shitting in the street become(to be kind) less than commonplace?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So, extrapolate your graph for me. What year will shitting in the street become(to be kind) less than commonplace?

    Perhaps when the price of night soil collapses. But ONSEC will see that it doesn’t.

    I’d say, it’s complicated, but it’s more like it’s composted.

  85. @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    Your proposal was popular 100 years ago. Not anymore, nor should it be.
     
    Why not?  What was false about the premises?  Nothing; we're re-proving that what was conventional wisdom at the time was true (like Morton's measurements of skull volumes), our "enlightened" (PC-brainwashed) state today notwithstanding.  What was erroneous about the reasoning?  Nothing.

    Not unless you are willing to foot the bill, Daddy Warbucks.
     
    Each Black in the USA costs $10,000/year on average in services used in excess of taxes paid.  Each "Hispanic" costs about $7300 per year.  The average cost of a Medicaid birth is about $6500.  By contrast, female sterilization costs about $5600; vasectomy is closer to $1000.  To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth; preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also.  Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I'll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world.

    Not that I wouldn't mind sharing the wealth.  I'd let people help finance the work in return for a 10% share of their payoff, and re-invest their payoffs if they care to.  I'm sure I could have tens of $millions in investment in very short order.

    The results would really be something.  We could disband Head Start within a few years, as there would be no more clients.  Urban public schools would be usable by White people again!  Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950's.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Why not? What was false about the premises? Nothing…”

    Eugenics was a fad best for a different time period. Too bad you weren’t born in the late 1800’s.
    Of course, when one reasonably looks at one of the classic cases of the eugenics movement, one easily concludes it was riddled with major flaws.

    http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/themes/39.html

    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations

    And linking to an autistic race realist who tries to pass off “equal military” and “static military” as legitimate economic indicators, as well as making up an “equal government” designation and assigning the cost of it on a population basis, seriously, get back to us when you take off the red nose and clown shoes.

    “To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth…”

    What statistical methods are you employing here? What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?

    “preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also.”

    Except you are playing God here. And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?

    “Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I’ll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world.”

    “Give me”, you say. Sounds like you are greedy, just like the immigrants whom you say you have total disregard for.

    “Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950′s.”

    The 1950’s were not that idyllic. You watched way too many Andy Griffith reruns.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    What statistical methods are you employing here?
     
    Direct comparison of costs.  I gave you links to my sources.  Apparently that was too difficult for you to process.

    What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?
     
    Every time you spouted off something like this, I wondered if you are actually stupid.  Well, here's my answer:  yes you are, and even more so than I had heretofore believed.  And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong.  That is deeply dishonest.

    Except you are playing God here.
     
    I'd do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes (which was the effect of hundreds of years of capital punishment.)  You're projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of "hatchet, axe and saw."

    “Give me”, you say. Sounds like you are greedy
     
    If I'm saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut.  I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros.

    The 1950′s were not that idyllic.
     
    The 1950's were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked.  Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?
     
    Snarky choice of words:  free.

    Watching Corvinus get the vapors:  priceless.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  86. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    "Why not? What was false about the premises? Nothing..."

    Eugenics was a fad best for a different time period. Too bad you weren't born in the late 1800's.
    Of course, when one reasonably looks at one of the classic cases of the eugenics movement, one easily concludes it was riddled with major flaws.

    http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/themes/39.html

    www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations

    And linking to an autistic race realist who tries to pass off “equal military” and “static military” as legitimate economic indicators, as well as making up an “equal government” designation and assigning the cost of it on a population basis, seriously, get back to us when you take off the red nose and clown shoes.

    "To put it bluntly, each female sterilization in our racial underclass populations would pay for itself 200% in the FIRST year of the FIRST prevented birth..."

    What statistical methods are you employing here? What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?

    "preventing the birth of thuglet offspring to coal-burners by sterilizing the thugs would have a substantial payoff also."

    Except you are playing God here. And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?

    "Give me 50% of the savings over 20 years (including the high-crime years of the never-born population) and I’ll both save taxpayers enormous amounts of cash and be the richest man in the world."

    "Give me", you say. Sounds like you are greedy, just like the immigrants whom you say you have total disregard for.

    "Eliminating the low-IQ, high-time preference, violent population by either paying them to get fixed or requiring it as a condition of parole would bring back the idyllic 1950′s."

    The 1950's were not that idyllic. You watched way too many Andy Griffith reruns.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    What statistical methods are you employing here?

    Direct comparison of costs.  I gave you links to my sources.  Apparently that was too difficult for you to process.

    What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?

    Every time you spouted off something like this, I wondered if you are actually stupid.  Well, here’s my answer:  yes you are, and even more so than I had heretofore believed.  And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong.  That is deeply dishonest.

    Except you are playing God here.

    I’d do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes (which was the effect of hundreds of years of capital punishment.)  You’re projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of “hatchet, axe and saw.”

    “Give me”, you say. Sounds like you are greedy

    If I’m saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut.  I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros.

    The 1950′s were not that idyllic.

    The 1950’s were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked.  Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?

    Snarky choice of words:  free.

    Watching Corvinus get the vapors:  priceless.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    "Direct comparison of costs."

    With made up categories and faulty analysis, all designed toward a predetermined conclusion.

    "And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong."

    You really need to take a hard look at yourself when you link to a source that clearly is not an economist and who does not take into account a wide range of variables that would skew his results.

    "I’d do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes..."

    As I correctly stated earlier, you are playing God here.

    "You’re projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of “hatchet, axe and saw.”"

    Wow, so you included a reference to a Rush song. Regardless, all men and women are equal in God’s eyes in that both men and women are created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27). Men and women are also equally sinners in need of grace and salvation. Redeemed men and women are equally forgiven, equally invited before the throne of grace, and equally heirs of God (Galatians 3:28).

    "If I’m saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut."

    Right, some obscure blogger you refer to has the answer to America's financial problems. Listen, hotshot, run it past our nation's economic wizards and get back to us.

    "I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros."

    All your lies are belong to us.

    "The 1950′s were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked. Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    No, that is your imagination running wild again. The 1950's were not as ideal and pristine as you think. Nostalgia has a funny way of playing tricks on people.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  87. @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    What statistical methods are you employing here?
     
    Direct comparison of costs.  I gave you links to my sources.  Apparently that was too difficult for you to process.

    What extraneous and/or confounding variables must you take into account here?
     
    Every time you spouted off something like this, I wondered if you are actually stupid.  Well, here's my answer:  yes you are, and even more so than I had heretofore believed.  And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong.  That is deeply dishonest.

    Except you are playing God here.
     
    I'd do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes (which was the effect of hundreds of years of capital punishment.)  You're projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of "hatchet, axe and saw."

    “Give me”, you say. Sounds like you are greedy
     
    If I'm saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut.  I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros.

    The 1950′s were not that idyllic.
     
    The 1950's were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked.  Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    And coal-burners? What, are you 12 years old?
     
    Snarky choice of words:  free.

    Watching Corvinus get the vapors:  priceless.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Direct comparison of costs.”

    With made up categories and faulty analysis, all designed toward a predetermined conclusion.

    “And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong.”

    You really need to take a hard look at yourself when you link to a source that clearly is not an economist and who does not take into account a wide range of variables that would skew his results.

    “I’d do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes…”

    As I correctly stated earlier, you are playing God here.

    “You’re projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of “hatchet, axe and saw.””

    Wow, so you included a reference to a Rush song. Regardless, all men and women are equal in God’s eyes in that both men and women are created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27). Men and women are also equally sinners in need of grace and salvation. Redeemed men and women are equally forgiven, equally invited before the throne of grace, and equally heirs of God (Galatians 3:28).

    “If I’m saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut.”

    Right, some obscure blogger you refer to has the answer to America’s financial problems. Listen, hotshot, run it past our nation’s economic wizards and get back to us.

    “I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros.”

    All your lies are belong to us.

    “The 1950′s were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked. Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    No, that is your imagination running wild again. The 1950’s were not as ideal and pristine as you think. Nostalgia has a funny way of playing tricks on people.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    “Direct comparison of costs.”

    With made up categories and faulty analysis, all designed toward a predetermined conclusion.

     
    Nobody pre-determined his conclusion.  The truth determined it.

    You really need to take a hard look at yourself when you link to a source that clearly is not an economist
     
    No economist would even be able to APPROACH that issue without being Watsoned, and they all know it.  Honest analysis of the issue is restricted to people other than professional or academic economists.  When the pros can't be honest, honesty is left to the amateurs.

    and who does not take into account a wide range of variables that would skew his results.
     
    In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze.  If the government gives a flying fuck about confounding variables, let it release the specific data for analysis.  As long as dishonesty reigns, his conclusion stands unrefuted by open and truthful analysis.

    you are playing God here.
     
    If I'm playing God as much as historical Europe and the various flavors of Christians in Europe over the past 1500 years, I must be okay.

    Regardless, all men and women are equal in God’s eyes in that both men and women are created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27).
     
    Women are supposed to remain silent in church (1 Cor. 14:34).  NOT equal according to the Bible you use as a weapon against Whites and Western culture.

    No, that is your imagination running wild again. The 1950′s were not as ideal and pristine as you think.
     
    I lived the years just after.  I was a child then.  It was safe to walk to school and doors were mostly unlocked.  Things were rapidly getting worse, but they were FAR better than today.

    Nostalgia has a funny way of playing tricks on people.
     
    Whereas people sleeping on fire escapes in New York "back in the day", whereas it's far too dangerous to sleep next to windows today because of gunfire, is an effect of "nostalgia"?  You are fucked in the head.
  88. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Rational

    "Direct comparison of costs."

    With made up categories and faulty analysis, all designed toward a predetermined conclusion.

    "And you will do literally anything to avoid admitting that you are wrong."

    You really need to take a hard look at yourself when you link to a source that clearly is not an economist and who does not take into account a wide range of variables that would skew his results.

    "I’d do no more than all European societies did to make themselves peaceful, by removing the thugs and their genes..."

    As I correctly stated earlier, you are playing God here.

    "You’re projecting your own urges to play God and render all humanity equal, by the equivalent of “hatchet, axe and saw.”"

    Wow, so you included a reference to a Rush song. Regardless, all men and women are equal in God’s eyes in that both men and women are created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27). Men and women are also equally sinners in need of grace and salvation. Redeemed men and women are equally forgiven, equally invited before the throne of grace, and equally heirs of God (Galatians 3:28).

    "If I’m saving my country $trillions and improving safety and everything all around, I deserve a cut."

    Right, some obscure blogger you refer to has the answer to America's financial problems. Listen, hotshot, run it past our nation's economic wizards and get back to us.

    "I certainly deserve to be wealthier and more powerful than scum like Gates, Zuckerberg and Soros."

    All your lies are belong to us.

    "The 1950′s were a time when it was safe for children to walk to school and for people to leave their doors unlocked. Compared to today, it was an idyll.

    No, that is your imagination running wild again. The 1950's were not as ideal and pristine as you think. Nostalgia has a funny way of playing tricks on people.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    “Direct comparison of costs.”

    With made up categories and faulty analysis, all designed toward a predetermined conclusion.

    Nobody pre-determined his conclusion.  The truth determined it.

    You really need to take a hard look at yourself when you link to a source that clearly is not an economist

    No economist would even be able to APPROACH that issue without being Watsoned, and they all know it.  Honest analysis of the issue is restricted to people other than professional or academic economists.  When the pros can’t be honest, honesty is left to the amateurs.

    and who does not take into account a wide range of variables that would skew his results.

    In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze.  If the government gives a flying fuck about confounding variables, let it release the specific data for analysis.  As long as dishonesty reigns, his conclusion stands unrefuted by open and truthful analysis.

    you are playing God here.

    If I’m playing God as much as historical Europe and the various flavors of Christians in Europe over the past 1500 years, I must be okay.

    Regardless, all men and women are equal in God’s eyes in that both men and women are created in His image and likeness (Genesis 1:27).

    Women are supposed to remain silent in church (1 Cor. 14:34).  NOT equal according to the Bible you use as a weapon against Whites and Western culture.

    No, that is your imagination running wild again. The 1950′s were not as ideal and pristine as you think.

    I lived the years just after.  I was a child then.  It was safe to walk to school and doors were mostly unlocked.  Things were rapidly getting worse, but they were FAR better than today.

    Nostalgia has a funny way of playing tricks on people.

    Whereas people sleeping on fire escapes in New York “back in the day”, whereas it’s far too dangerous to sleep next to windows today because of gunfire, is an effect of “nostalgia”?  You are fucked in the head.

  89. “Nobody pre-determined his conclusion. The truth determined it.”

    A truth that was conveniently manufactured. You are only fooling yourself.

    “No economist would even be able to APPROACH that issue without being Watsoned, and they all know it.”

    Exactly what I thought. If the ideas was that sound, that much of a financial windfall, what do you have to lose by offering up this analysis to the boys and girls who work in Trump’s Treasury cabinet?

    “Honest analysis of the issue is restricted to people other than professional or academic economists. When the pros can’t be honest, honesty is left to the amateurs.”

    You have a weird way of determining what is honest and dishonest. And I wouldn’t characterize that “analysis” as being on the “up and up”.

    “In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze.”

    “In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze.”

    You mean massage data and come up with conclusions predicated on confirmation bias. Again, if you are so convinced of his evidence, then you have a DUTY to inform our government. Hop to it!

    “Women are supposed to remain silent in church (1 Cor. 14:34)”

    Once again, you need context.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/women-silent-church.html

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    A truth that was conveniently manufactured.
     
    Manufactured by the US government?  Every shred of data used came from federal statistics.  Of course, they were all coached as "poor downtrodden non-asian minorities"... but the trouble with facts is that they're stubborn things and can support conclusions that ideologues don't like.

    You are only fooling yourself.
     
    I had nothing to do with it.  You are a fool.

    If the ideas was that sound, that much of a financial windfall, what do you have to lose by offering up this analysis
     
    You are so pig-ignorant, you have no idea what "Watsoned" means.  James Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, was head of the Cold Spring Harbor laboratory... until he let loose with a politically-incorrect opinion about the future prospects of Africa based on actual inequality of populations.  He was immediately denounced, fired from his job leading the laboratory he had built from the ground up, and thrown into such poverty he sold his Nobel prize medal to raise cash.

    The answer to "what do you have to lose" is EVERYTHING, because there are people who literally want those who dare to discuss the facts behind outcomes in any other terms than "consequences of oppression" to be DEAD.

    You have a weird way of determining what is honest and dishonest.
     
    Nothing and no one associated with today's PC orthodoxy is honest.

    You mean massage data and come up with conclusions predicated on confirmation bias.
     
    I mean looking at data about "poor downtrodden NAMs" and "how much help they need", and using it to calculate what they cost.  There's no "confirmation bias" involved, the government's own data supports the conclusion even if the people who released it would rather that nobody Noticed and are horrified that anyone did.

    Again, if you are so convinced of his evidence, then you have a DUTY to inform our government.
     
    Anyone who wants to keep office can neither say such things, nor be associated with anyone who does.  Until this changes, we will continue to live under totalitarian PC speech controls.  Only a few anti-fragile people, like Sailer himself, can get away with speaking those truths plainly.  I'm not anti-fragile.
  90. @Corvinus
    "Nobody pre-determined his conclusion. The truth determined it."

    A truth that was conveniently manufactured. You are only fooling yourself.

    "No economist would even be able to APPROACH that issue without being Watsoned, and they all know it."

    Exactly what I thought. If the ideas was that sound, that much of a financial windfall, what do you have to lose by offering up this analysis to the boys and girls who work in Trump's Treasury cabinet?

    "Honest analysis of the issue is restricted to people other than professional or academic economists. When the pros can’t be honest, honesty is left to the amateurs."

    You have a weird way of determining what is honest and dishonest. And I wouldn't characterize that "analysis" as being on the "up and up".

    "In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze."

    "In case you failed to notice, he had to reconstruct data from disparate sources in order to make up for deliberate governmental denial of the very issue he was trying to analyze."

    You mean massage data and come up with conclusions predicated on confirmation bias. Again, if you are so convinced of his evidence, then you have a DUTY to inform our government. Hop to it!

    "Women are supposed to remain silent in church (1 Cor. 14:34)"

    Once again, you need context.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/women-silent-church.html

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    A truth that was conveniently manufactured.

    Manufactured by the US government?  Every shred of data used came from federal statistics.  Of course, they were all coached as “poor downtrodden non-asian minorities”… but the trouble with facts is that they’re stubborn things and can support conclusions that ideologues don’t like.

    You are only fooling yourself.

    I had nothing to do with it.  You are a fool.

    If the ideas was that sound, that much of a financial windfall, what do you have to lose by offering up this analysis

    You are so pig-ignorant, you have no idea what “Watsoned” means.  James Watson, co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, was head of the Cold Spring Harbor laboratory… until he let loose with a politically-incorrect opinion about the future prospects of Africa based on actual inequality of populations.  He was immediately denounced, fired from his job leading the laboratory he had built from the ground up, and thrown into such poverty he sold his Nobel prize medal to raise cash.

    The answer to “what do you have to lose” is EVERYTHING, because there are people who literally want those who dare to discuss the facts behind outcomes in any other terms than “consequences of oppression” to be DEAD.

    You have a weird way of determining what is honest and dishonest.

    Nothing and no one associated with today’s PC orthodoxy is honest.

    You mean massage data and come up with conclusions predicated on confirmation bias.

    I mean looking at data about “poor downtrodden NAMs” and “how much help they need”, and using it to calculate what they cost.  There’s no “confirmation bias” involved, the government’s own data supports the conclusion even if the people who released it would rather that nobody Noticed and are horrified that anyone did.

    Again, if you are so convinced of his evidence, then you have a DUTY to inform our government.

    Anyone who wants to keep office can neither say such things, nor be associated with anyone who does.  Until this changes, we will continue to live under totalitarian PC speech controls.  Only a few anti-fragile people, like Sailer himself, can get away with speaking those truths plainly.  I’m not anti-fragile.

  91. “Manufactured by the US government?”

    The person you linked to manufactured his argument by making up his own statistical categories using data from sources, and you buy it hook, line, and sinker. Typical of your low IQ.

    “The answer to “what do you have to lose” is EVERYTHING, because there are people who literally want those who dare to discuss the facts behind outcomes in any other terms than “consequences of oppression” to be DEAD.”

    Not if you are so convinced that your proposal will save taxpayers trillions of dollars. Besides, do you not owe it to yourself to help out your fellow whites in the long-term? It’s not about you now, it’s about the future. Why are you being so selfish?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    The person you linked to manufactured his argument
     
    He didn't manufacture it.  The truth was already there.  All he did was find the official figures to reveal it.

    by making up his own statistical categories using data from sources
     
    Really?  Government data on taxes paid by income bracket, and income bracket by race, are making things up?  You. Are. Insane.  You are also WAY too short for this ride.

    and you buy it hook, line, and sinker.
     
    Wrong-o.  I can follow his methodology (which is quite simple and un-deceptive) with ease and give him cred for uncovering what leftards like you want to keep covered.

    Typical of your low IQ.
     
    My IQ is all but certainly at least 1 SD higher than yours.


    The answer to “what do you have to lose” is EVERYTHING
     
    Not if you are so convinced that your proposal will save taxpayers trillions of dollars.
     
    Tell me, O person-who-insists-his-IQ-is-higher-than-mine, HOW does saving White taxpayers $trillions IF my proposals are adopted save me from the SJW mobs who will be after the blood of me and everyone who supports such measures the instant they are proposed?

    You're missing a logical nexus there.  Typical of your low IQ.
  92. @Corvinus
    "Manufactured by the US government?"

    The person you linked to manufactured his argument by making up his own statistical categories using data from sources, and you buy it hook, line, and sinker. Typical of your low IQ.

    "The answer to “what do you have to lose” is EVERYTHING, because there are people who literally want those who dare to discuss the facts behind outcomes in any other terms than “consequences of oppression” to be DEAD."

    Not if you are so convinced that your proposal will save taxpayers trillions of dollars. Besides, do you not owe it to yourself to help out your fellow whites in the long-term? It's not about you now, it's about the future. Why are you being so selfish?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    The person you linked to manufactured his argument

    He didn’t manufacture it.  The truth was already there.  All he did was find the official figures to reveal it.

    by making up his own statistical categories using data from sources

    Really?  Government data on taxes paid by income bracket, and income bracket by race, are making things up?  You. Are. Insane.  You are also WAY too short for this ride.

    and you buy it hook, line, and sinker.

    Wrong-o.  I can follow his methodology (which is quite simple and un-deceptive) with ease and give him cred for uncovering what leftards like you want to keep covered.

    Typical of your low IQ.

    My IQ is all but certainly at least 1 SD higher than yours.

    The answer to “what do you have to lose” is EVERYTHING

    Not if you are so convinced that your proposal will save taxpayers trillions of dollars.

    Tell me, O person-who-insists-his-IQ-is-higher-than-mine, HOW does saving White taxpayers $trillions IF my proposals are adopted save me from the SJW mobs who will be after the blood of me and everyone who supports such measures the instant they are proposed?

    You’re missing a logical nexus there.  Typical of your low IQ.

  93. “He didn’t manufacture it. The truth was already there. All he did was find the official figures to reveal it.”

    HIS truth, not the ACTUAL truth. Big difference there.

    “Wrong-o. I can follow his methodology…”

    Because it is manufactured toward an outcome that you desire, but is other than grounded in reality.

    “Tell me, O person-who-insists-his-IQ-is-higher-than-mine, HOW does saving White taxpayers $trillions IF my proposals are adopted save me from the SJW mobs who will be after the blood of me and everyone who supports such measures the instant they are proposed?”

    I already gave you the answer…it’s not about you, it’s about the future of the white race. Clearly, you are not willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, even if you believe (wrongly) that this proposal will generate an unbelievable (yes it is) financial windfall for “your people”. And it’s not IF, it’s WHEN, as you have stated so confidently that “his methodology [can be followed] with ease”. There’s a Nobel Peace Prize in it for you for this unique idea, one that can be of tremendous benefit to “your people”, and you are worried about “SJW mobs”?

    Tells me everything I need to know about this “proposal”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Corvinus


    HIS truth, not the ACTUAL truth. Big difference there.
     
    There is NO difference.  The facts are the facts, the conclusions they support are as true as the facts behind them and are true regardless of how anyone feels about them.  That you can mealy-mouth such an illogical mush proves that you have no respect for reasoning or truth itself.  This is about what I expect from a post-modernist leftist.

    Because it is manufactured toward an outcome that you desire, but is other than grounded in reality.
     
    You are the one not grounded in reality.  I'd rather that his conclusions were NOT true because they mean that getting this country out of the hole it's in requires some very harsh measures, but reality doesn't respect how I FEEL.  About ANYTHING.  Nor does it give a damn about your feels either.

    I already gave you the answer…it’s not about you, it’s about the future of the white race.
     
    Which I'm spreading the word about.

    Clearly, you are not willing to make the ultimate sacrifice
     
    There's only one answer to your nonsense.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8
    That's what you're asking for.  The Overton window has to move far enough to the right to disarm the SJW mobs before it's possible to talk about such things openly.

    And it’s not IF, it’s WHEN, as you have stated so confidently that “his methodology [can be followed] with ease”.
     
    Thank you for the display of low IQ.  It's his analytical methodology that's very easy to follow.  He pins down the "is".  He has exactly nothing to say about the "ought", or how to get there.

    There’s a Nobel Peace Prize in it for you for this unique idea
     
    It's not my idea.  The analysis belongs to Ryan Faulk.  There will be no Nobel Peace Prizes coming out of this, as the data show that there are just too many things we CANNOT do and the ones we can range from suicide to starving/sterilizing/deporting off our underclasses to Attila the Hun with nothing "peaceful" in between.

    you are worried about “SJW mobs”?
     
    They force people into hiding and try to kill the people they find.  Seen very much of Derren Wilson lately?  Seen what happened at the warmup to the Congressional baseball game?  I don't care to be the next Steve Scalise TYVM.  That would definitely interfere with getting the word out about the cause of our national collapse.  Only the collapse itself will break through people's wall of denial, and only then will they even entertain the idea that they have to fix the causes before we can rebuild.  Right now, getting the word out is the important thing.
  94. @Corvinus
    "He didn’t manufacture it. The truth was already there. All he did was find the official figures to reveal it."

    HIS truth, not the ACTUAL truth. Big difference there.

    "Wrong-o. I can follow his methodology..."

    Because it is manufactured toward an outcome that you desire, but is other than grounded in reality.

    "Tell me, O person-who-insists-his-IQ-is-higher-than-mine, HOW does saving White taxpayers $trillions IF my proposals are adopted save me from the SJW mobs who will be after the blood of me and everyone who supports such measures the instant they are proposed?"

    I already gave you the answer...it's not about you, it's about the future of the white race. Clearly, you are not willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, even if you believe (wrongly) that this proposal will generate an unbelievable (yes it is) financial windfall for "your people". And it's not IF, it's WHEN, as you have stated so confidently that "his methodology [can be followed] with ease". There's a Nobel Peace Prize in it for you for this unique idea, one that can be of tremendous benefit to "your people", and you are worried about "SJW mobs"?

    Tells me everything I need to know about this "proposal".

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    HIS truth, not the ACTUAL truth. Big difference there.

    There is NO difference.  The facts are the facts, the conclusions they support are as true as the facts behind them and are true regardless of how anyone feels about them.  That you can mealy-mouth such an illogical mush proves that you have no respect for reasoning or truth itself.  This is about what I expect from a post-modernist leftist.

    Because it is manufactured toward an outcome that you desire, but is other than grounded in reality.

    You are the one not grounded in reality.  I’d rather that his conclusions were NOT true because they mean that getting this country out of the hole it’s in requires some very harsh measures, but reality doesn’t respect how I FEEL.  About ANYTHING.  Nor does it give a damn about your feels either.

    I already gave you the answer…it’s not about you, it’s about the future of the white race.

    Which I’m spreading the word about.

    Clearly, you are not willing to make the ultimate sacrifice

    There’s only one answer to your nonsense.

    That’s what you’re asking for.  The Overton window has to move far enough to the right to disarm the SJW mobs before it’s possible to talk about such things openly.

    And it’s not IF, it’s WHEN, as you have stated so confidently that “his methodology [can be followed] with ease”.

    Thank you for the display of low IQ.  It’s his analytical methodology that’s very easy to follow.  He pins down the “is”.  He has exactly nothing to say about the “ought”, or how to get there.

    There’s a Nobel Peace Prize in it for you for this unique idea

    It’s not my idea.  The analysis belongs to Ryan Faulk.  There will be no Nobel Peace Prizes coming out of this, as the data show that there are just too many things we CANNOT do and the ones we can range from suicide to starving/sterilizing/deporting off our underclasses to Attila the Hun with nothing “peaceful” in between.

    you are worried about “SJW mobs”?

    They force people into hiding and try to kill the people they find.  Seen very much of Derren Wilson lately?  Seen what happened at the warmup to the Congressional baseball game?  I don’t care to be the next Steve Scalise TYVM.  That would definitely interfere with getting the word out about the cause of our national collapse.  Only the collapse itself will break through people’s wall of denial, and only then will they even entertain the idea that they have to fix the causes before we can rebuild.  Right now, getting the word out is the important thing.

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