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Since the indigenous peoples of the British Isles have never been very good at acting, the British Academy of Film and Television Arts is taking steps to insure more Plaques for Blacks:

BAFTA Takes Steps on Diversity, After All-White, All-Male Shortlists

Voters in Britain’s version of the Oscars will have to take unconscious bias training, and there will be a quota for women in the first round of voting for best director.

By Alex Marshall
Sept. 24, 2020

LONDON — The world’s major movie awards are trying to put a stop to the all-white, all-male shortlists their voting members frequently draw up….

Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.

… For best director, for example, half of the spots on the 20-person longlist will go to women. For the acting prizes, the longlist will be selected by a hybrid of member votes and jury selection, before the nominees and the winner are determined by the membership in the following rounds.

… Actors will also only be allowed to be longlisted once in each acting category to prevent a recurrence of this year’s events, when Margot Robbie was nominated twice for the best supporting actress award, and no people of color were.

You might almost believe that Margot Robbie represents an unusual combination of beauty and acting talent that makes her the most sought-after actress by the best directors at the current moment, but, of course, it’s really just her White Privilege.

… “This is a watershed moment,” Krishnendu Majumdar, BAFTA’s chair, said on Thursday, in a news release announcing the changes. “This creative renewal is not just about changes to the awards,” he added. “This is a reappraisal of our values.”

I.e., we now value race and sex over performance.

 
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  1. Speaking of black celebrities, among American black male celebrities alone, the birth rate is very high. Among black female celebrities, it appears to be only one-third as high or less. Black men know what is important.

    This is to be expected, but look at the huge numbers. The criteria of this list is that the man in question is a) American, and b) was famous at any point from 1950-2000.

    Elijah Muhammad : 23
    ‘Screamin’ Jay Hawkins : 33+ (perhaps over 60)
    Ray Charles : 12 (!!!)
    Sammy Davis Jr. : 4
    Harry Bellafonte : 4
    James Meredith : 4
    Richard Pryor : 7
    James Brown : 13
    BB King : 15
    Richard Roundtree : 5
    Sidney Poitier : 6
    Flash Tavares Sr. : 10
    Fats Domino : 8
    Miles Davis : 4
    Roscoe Orman : 4
    Otis Redding : 4
    Chuck Berry : 4
    Flip Wilson : 5
    Oscar Peterson : 6
    Sam Cooke : 6 (would have had more)
    Louis Farrakhan : 9
    Khalid Abdul Muhammad : 5
    Benjamin Chavis : 8
    Malcolm X : 6 (would have had more)
    MLK : 4 (would have had more)
    Ralph Abernathy : 5
    Jesse Jackson : 6
    Roy Innis : 10
    Gordon Parks : 4
    Kweisi Mfume : 5
    Andrew Young : 4
    Willie Brown : 4
    Joe Louis : 6
    Bobo Brazil : 6
    Muhammad Ali : 9
    George Foreman : 10
    Mike Tyson : 8
    Evander Holyfield : 11
    Floyd Mayweather Sr. : 5
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. : 5
    Kimbo Slice : 6
    Joe Jackson : 11
    Jackie Jackson : 4
    Jermaine Jackson : 7
    Stevie Wonder : 9 (!!!)
    Berry Gordy : 8
    Quincy Jones : 7
    James Ingram : 6
    Barry White : 9
    Ron Banks : 6
    Isaac Hayes : 14
    Bob Marley : 9 (not an American, technically, but still).
    Philip Bailey : 7
    Ramsey Lewis : 7
    Curtis Mayfield : 10
    Jackie Wilson : 9
    Al Green : 6
    Lou Rawls : 4
    Bill Cosby : 5
    Ahmad Rashad : 5
    Montel Williams : 4
    Demond Wilson : 6
    Ben Vereen : 5
    Robert Guillaume : 5
    Lawrence Fishburne : 4
    Larry Holmes : 5
    Ernie Hudson : 4
    Fred Williamson : 6
    Morgan Freeman : 4
    Yaphet Kotto : 6
    Eddie Murphy : 10
    Phillip Michael Thomas : 11
    Denzel Washington : 4
    Cuba Gooding Sr : 4
    Wesley Snipes : 5
    Doug Williams : 8
    OJ Simpson : 5
    Travis Henry : 11
    Calvin Murphy : 14
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar : 5
    Michael Jordan : 5
    Scottie Pippen : 5
    Karl Malone : 7
    Shaquille O’Neal : 5
    Jason Caffey : 10
    Willie Anderson : 9
    Dwight Howard : 5
    Royce White : 5
    Shawn Kemp : 7
    Emmitt Smith : 4
    William ‘Fridge’ Perry : 4
    Chad Johnson : 4
    Willis McGahee : 9
    Deion Sanders : 5
    MC Hammer : 5
    Bobby Brown : 7
    P Diddy : 6
    Master P : 7
    LL Cool J : 4
    Snoop Dogg : 4
    Pharrell Williams : 4
    MC Ren : 5
    Dr. Dre : 6
    Warren G : 4
    Coolio : 10
    Eazy-E : 11
    Kurupt : 6
    Kokane : 8
    DMX : 15
    Ginuwine : 7
    Flavor Flav : 7
    T.I. : 6
    Run DMC : 6
    Swizz Beatz : 5
    Rick Ross : 4
    Lil Wayne : 4
    Ol’ Dirty Bastard : 4 (would have had more)
    Ghostface Killah : 4
    John Singleton : 7
    Ice Cube : 4
    Steve Harvey : 4
    Eddie Griffin : 9
    Tracy Morgan : 4
    Kanye West : 4

    I suspect that some ghetto blacks living in dangerous and impoverished surroundings may actually have famous fathers or grandfathers, but on account of the large number of kids and the loss of money over generation, end up back in the projects.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Thomm


    Barry White : 9
     
    Barry White should get (some) credit for many, many more.
    , @polistra
    @Thomm

    That's just the ones they admit to

  2. Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.

    You see, with the proper training

    You will no longer prefer this

    Over this

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @syonredux

    I have checked before and can confirm that the person in the second photo was notborn a man. I actually think this is worse.

  3. … “This is a watershed moment,” Krishnendu Majumdar, BAFTA’s chair,

    What can possibly go wrong with this Indo derived joker with his very gayish face as seen on bing images.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • LOL: AndrewR
  4. There needs to be a rating system for values. For example, Diversity values promulgated by Negroes could abbreviated BS-85.

  5. Since it’s Britain, the tension here isn’t black-white, it’s white-South Asian. More medals for Patels.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Bragadocious

    Braga, they need a sequel to "Slumdog Millionaire" and the "Life of Pi."

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Bragadocious

    Currying favour [sic].

  6. Krishnendu Majumdar

    If you can’t pronounce your supposed compatriots names, they aren’t really your compatriots.

  7. Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.

    With the proper use of the Ludovico Technique

    You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this

    And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful

    • Replies: @usNthem
    @syonredux

    Holy S*** Batman. That’s not a woman, that’s a man, baby - or something. Thanks for sharing - it’ll take a while to clear that image from my memory.

    , @JimB
    @syonredux

    "You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this:"
    Big neurocranium, flaxen hair, classic nose, thin lips
    "And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful"
    Little neurocranium, wiry hair, flat nose, fat lips

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @syonredux

    Margot Robbie is more handsome than pretty which is a common trait among Anglo Saxon actresses.

  8. Will the utter absence of audience watching the new woke awards register with them at all? Will they notice that no one is listening to them bitch and scold systemic Whiteness?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @personfellowindividual

    Will the utter absence of audience watching the new woke awards register with them at all?

    Hah! All grist for their mill. More evidence of systemic racism. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  9. @syonredux

    Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.
     
    With the proper use of the Ludovico Technique


    http://www.cryptogon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ludoviko.jpg

    You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2015/02/margot_robbie_cu.jpg


    And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful


    https://bust.com/images/articles/37861/michaela-coel-2_54e2a.jpg

    Replies: @usNthem, @JimB, @SunBakedSuburb

    Holy S*** Batman. That’s not a woman, that’s a man, baby – or something. Thanks for sharing – it’ll take a while to clear that image from my memory.

  10. It’s operating as a Netflix production (Which also means you’re not allowed to not have no diversity in historical drama and means it’s an American production not British) but the new ‘Enola Holmes’ (About Holmes arrogant haughty little sister) contains Victorian finishing schools with Chinese and black girls and a significant character who is a black woman who runs a Dojo in London where she learns how to fight. (Because otherwise her prowess might be too unrealistic and bring you out of the story) As well as a half Pakistani half Kenyan man playing a gentlemen. (Played by Adeel Akhtar who may be one of the ugliest men to ever live. It’s the ptosis I think that really makes me look decrepit, he’s only 40, would have been 39 when filming and early to mid 30s in most pictures of him)

    It’s all the more stark because of the very lavish money spent on recreating the era.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Altai

    I wonder how long it will be before NETFLIX gets around to adapting Andy (The Martian )Weir's Cheshire Crossing:

    https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-400/1191-1/7BA/C4F/07/%7B7BAC4F07-0387-492D-B656-F040D4165ECC%7DImg400.jpg

    How can they resist a South Asian Dorothy and Hapa Alice? Granted, it is a tad un-WOKE that Wendy is still White.....

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Thatgirl
    @Altai

    Ron Perlman is far far uglier than that guy. Uncanny valley territory in that he looks like an ape that has been made human. Plus he has an abrasive and aggressive personality.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  11. @syonredux

    Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.
     
    With the proper use of the Ludovico Technique


    http://www.cryptogon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ludoviko.jpg

    You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2015/02/margot_robbie_cu.jpg


    And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful


    https://bust.com/images/articles/37861/michaela-coel-2_54e2a.jpg

    Replies: @usNthem, @JimB, @SunBakedSuburb

    “You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this:”
    Big neurocranium, flaxen hair, classic nose, thin lips
    “And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful”
    Little neurocranium, wiry hair, flat nose, fat lips

  12. Hear! Hear!

    This is a wonderful opportunity for the British film industry to throw off its crinoline and move into the twenty-first century!

    No more nicey-whitey Mr Darcys!

    Give me Yardies!

    Why make films about dead white people, when you can make films about dead white people?

    I do love a good flic about those loveable ‘yoofs’ (that’s UK English for US MSMspeak ‘teens’) with their adorable ‘zombie’ knives!

    I also look forward to location films from Rotherham (or just about any town with Muslims in it really) about Pakistani child rape gangs, or Jihadi bombers of teen girls at a pop concert, or…

    The source material is endless!

    See you at the cinema Mr Sailer!

  13. Additionally, there was this analysis earlier this year. (Though it already feels like half a decade since February)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gays-and-ethnic-minorities-over-represented-on-tv-n7xcqftgz

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/27/diversity-org-admits-gays-minorities-hugely-overrepresented-in-uk-television/

    As of yet there isn’t a consensus among ad agencies to push Sub Cons, Asians, Arabs or Eastern Europeans in peoples faces. In a sense, it’s an admission that ‘blackness’ seems to be a proxy of otherness in general, perhaps an admission that there is a bigger gap between Sub-Saharans and Eurasians.

  14. Meanwhile, in the sciences, capital “B” uplift is on the agenda …

    Diversity in science: next steps for research group leaders
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02681-y

    Woods agrees that shifting the focus from diversity to inclusion and equity is necessary if barriers in academia are to be broken down — and it all starts in the classroom, she says. “We wouldn’t be having these conversations of killing a Black man in the streets, because you would have learnt not to fear a Black man because he’s Black. We would have more Black people in the classroom, and more Black teachers, and more Black information because it’s out there; it’s just not included in the syllabus. When people realize that inclusion and equity really is a matter of life and death, that changes the narrative.

    • Replies: @polistra
    @Voltarde

    "Science" articles increasingly exhibit the tone and lingo of 30-something chicks on Reddit and Twitter, which is to say that they sound like they were written by 12-year-old girls.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Voltarde

    We would have more Black people in the classroom, and more Black teachers, and more Black information because it’s out there; it’s just not included in the syllabus. When people realize that inclusion and equity really is a matter of life and death, that changes the narrative.”

    The idea that Blacks would benefit from more exposure of "Black information" is deeply delusional.

  15. @Altai
    It's operating as a Netflix production (Which also means you're not allowed to not have no diversity in historical drama and means it's an American production not British) but the new 'Enola Holmes' (About Holmes arrogant haughty little sister) contains Victorian finishing schools with Chinese and black girls and a significant character who is a black woman who runs a Dojo in London where she learns how to fight. (Because otherwise her prowess might be too unrealistic and bring you out of the story) As well as a half Pakistani half Kenyan man playing a gentlemen. (Played by Adeel Akhtar who may be one of the ugliest men to ever live. It's the ptosis I think that really makes me look decrepit, he's only 40, would have been 39 when filming and early to mid 30s in most pictures of him)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0Zf9sXlHk

    It's all the more stark because of the very lavish money spent on recreating the era.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Thatgirl

    I wonder how long it will be before NETFLIX gets around to adapting Andy (The Martian )Weir’s Cheshire Crossing:

    How can they resist a South Asian Dorothy and Hapa Alice? Granted, it is a tad un-WOKE that Wendy is still White…..

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @syonredux

    Sarah Andersen is the chick who does the little caffeine addict comic. Is it better than that other graphic novel with the same cast? Was the one inspired by the other or do they just not talk about it?

  16. What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @anonymous1963

    They didn't win anything. Some Brit on another thread recently was chirping about how they were running the tables against the Germans in 1916 and 1917 and how (therefore) the arrival of the Yanks was totally inconsequential. He's a liar of course -- they were getting their asses kicked.

    Same thing in WW2. They didn't defeat the Germans in one single major land engagement in Europe. For them the war was a lot of Jubilees and Market Gardens and various acts of sabotage, some of which may have actually worked.

    , @Neuday
    @anonymous1963


    What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.
     
    The Bolsheviks won the wars*, the Bolsheviks won the peace. Stalin's purges simply meant they had to relocate, and relocate they did.

    *Although the communist revolution precipitated their withdrawal from WWI, their (((fellow travelers))) were able to not only stab Germany in the back but also push through the incredibly onerous penalties on Germany in the Treaty that all-but-guaranteed WWII.

    Mr. Balfour says "Halloo".

    Replies: @dfordoom

  17. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.

    I’m kind of thinking that there may be a precipitous drop in participation in the voting. I mean, it’s an anonymous, unpaid, voluntary thing, and people do it mostly for the momentary ego boost it gives them, knowing that they are one of the inner circle. It’s not going to take much to counterbalance that, and having to sit through a Zoom meeting with a hectoring lesbian black indoctrinix is enough to cause most people to say, chuck it!

    You can still make a list of what you would have voted for and pretend you did in any conversations.

    • Replies: @polistra
    @Anon


    all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training
     
    Does the phrase mean that they will be knocked out during the "training" ??

    At least that should make it easier for them to tolerate.

    And probably more effective as well...
  18. @Thomm
    Speaking of black celebrities, among American black male celebrities alone, the birth rate is very high. Among black female celebrities, it appears to be only one-third as high or less. Black men know what is important.

    This is to be expected, but look at the huge numbers. The criteria of this list is that the man in question is a) American, and b) was famous at any point from 1950-2000.


    Elijah Muhammad : 23
    ‘Screamin’ Jay Hawkins : 33+ (perhaps over 60)
    Ray Charles : 12 (!!!)
    Sammy Davis Jr. : 4
    Harry Bellafonte : 4
    James Meredith : 4
    Richard Pryor : 7
    James Brown : 13
    BB King : 15
    Richard Roundtree : 5
    Sidney Poitier : 6
    Flash Tavares Sr. : 10
    Fats Domino : 8
    Miles Davis : 4
    Roscoe Orman : 4
    Otis Redding : 4
    Chuck Berry : 4
    Flip Wilson : 5
    Oscar Peterson : 6
    Sam Cooke : 6 (would have had more)
    Louis Farrakhan : 9
    Khalid Abdul Muhammad : 5
    Benjamin Chavis : 8
    Malcolm X : 6 (would have had more)
    MLK : 4 (would have had more)
    Ralph Abernathy : 5
    Jesse Jackson : 6
    Roy Innis : 10
    Gordon Parks : 4
    Kweisi Mfume : 5
    Andrew Young : 4
    Willie Brown : 4
    Joe Louis : 6
    Bobo Brazil : 6
    Muhammad Ali : 9
    George Foreman : 10
    Mike Tyson : 8
    Evander Holyfield : 11
    Floyd Mayweather Sr. : 5
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. : 5
    Kimbo Slice : 6
    Joe Jackson : 11
    Jackie Jackson : 4
    Jermaine Jackson : 7
    Stevie Wonder : 9 (!!!)
    Berry Gordy : 8
    Quincy Jones : 7
    James Ingram : 6
    Barry White : 9
    Ron Banks : 6
    Isaac Hayes : 14
    Bob Marley : 9 (not an American, technically, but still).
    Philip Bailey : 7
    Ramsey Lewis : 7
    Curtis Mayfield : 10
    Jackie Wilson : 9
    Al Green : 6
    Lou Rawls : 4
    Bill Cosby : 5
    Ahmad Rashad : 5
    Montel Williams : 4
    Demond Wilson : 6
    Ben Vereen : 5
    Robert Guillaume : 5
    Lawrence Fishburne : 4
    Larry Holmes : 5
    Ernie Hudson : 4
    Fred Williamson : 6
    Morgan Freeman : 4
    Yaphet Kotto : 6
    Eddie Murphy : 10
    Phillip Michael Thomas : 11
    Denzel Washington : 4
    Cuba Gooding Sr : 4
    Wesley Snipes : 5
    Doug Williams : 8
    OJ Simpson : 5
    Travis Henry : 11
    Calvin Murphy : 14
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar : 5
    Michael Jordan : 5
    Scottie Pippen : 5
    Karl Malone : 7
    Shaquille O’Neal : 5
    Jason Caffey : 10
    Willie Anderson : 9
    Dwight Howard : 5
    Royce White : 5
    Shawn Kemp : 7
    Emmitt Smith : 4
    William ‘Fridge’ Perry : 4
    Chad Johnson : 4
    Willis McGahee : 9
    Deion Sanders : 5
    MC Hammer : 5
    Bobby Brown : 7
    P Diddy : 6
    Master P : 7
    LL Cool J : 4
    Snoop Dogg : 4
    Pharrell Williams : 4
    MC Ren : 5
    Dr. Dre : 6
    Warren G : 4
    Coolio : 10
    Eazy-E : 11
    Kurupt : 6
    Kokane : 8
    DMX : 15
    Ginuwine : 7
    Flavor Flav : 7
    T.I. : 6
    Run DMC : 6
    Swizz Beatz : 5
    Rick Ross : 4
    Lil Wayne : 4
    Ol’ Dirty Bastard : 4 (would have had more)
    Ghostface Killah : 4
    John Singleton : 7
    Ice Cube : 4
    Steve Harvey : 4
    Eddie Griffin : 9
    Tracy Morgan : 4
    Kanye West : 4

    I suspect that some ghetto blacks living in dangerous and impoverished surroundings may actually have famous fathers or grandfathers, but on account of the large number of kids and the loss of money over generation, end up back in the projects.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @polistra

    Barry White : 9

    Barry White should get (some) credit for many, many more.

    • LOL: Not Raul
  19. @Bragadocious
    Since it's Britain, the tension here isn't black-white, it's white-South Asian. More medals for Patels.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Ancient Briton

    Braga, they need a sequel to “Slumdog Millionaire” and the “Life of Pi.”

  20. @Altai
    It's operating as a Netflix production (Which also means you're not allowed to not have no diversity in historical drama and means it's an American production not British) but the new 'Enola Holmes' (About Holmes arrogant haughty little sister) contains Victorian finishing schools with Chinese and black girls and a significant character who is a black woman who runs a Dojo in London where she learns how to fight. (Because otherwise her prowess might be too unrealistic and bring you out of the story) As well as a half Pakistani half Kenyan man playing a gentlemen. (Played by Adeel Akhtar who may be one of the ugliest men to ever live. It's the ptosis I think that really makes me look decrepit, he's only 40, would have been 39 when filming and early to mid 30s in most pictures of him)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0Zf9sXlHk

    It's all the more stark because of the very lavish money spent on recreating the era.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Thatgirl

    Ron Perlman is far far uglier than that guy. Uncanny valley territory in that he looks like an ape that has been made human. Plus he has an abrasive and aggressive personality.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Thatgirl


    Ron Perlman is far far uglier than that guy. Uncanny valley territory in that he looks like an ape that has been made human. Plus he has an abrasive and aggressive personality.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTi7v77XZYs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hre7FpUusTI
  21. Since the indigenous peoples of the British Isles have never been very good at acting,….”

    With all due respect, I think that ‘never been very good at acting’ is a culturally insensitive observation.

    Maybe the Bell Beaker folks failed to appreciate the Celtic school of acting and the Celts may have thought the BBs were too flashy with all those swords and things.

  22. @syonredux
    @Altai

    I wonder how long it will be before NETFLIX gets around to adapting Andy (The Martian )Weir's Cheshire Crossing:

    https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-400/1191-1/7BA/C4F/07/%7B7BAC4F07-0387-492D-B656-F040D4165ECC%7DImg400.jpg

    How can they resist a South Asian Dorothy and Hapa Alice? Granted, it is a tad un-WOKE that Wendy is still White.....

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Sarah Andersen is the chick who does the little caffeine addict comic. Is it better than that other graphic novel with the same cast? Was the one inspired by the other or do they just not talk about it?

  23. @Bragadocious
    Since it's Britain, the tension here isn't black-white, it's white-South Asian. More medals for Patels.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Ancient Briton

    Currying favour [sic].

  24. @personfellowindividual
    Will the utter absence of audience watching the new woke awards register with them at all? Will they notice that no one is listening to them bitch and scold systemic Whiteness?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Will the utter absence of audience watching the new woke awards register with them at all?

    Hah! All grist for their mill. More evidence of systemic racism. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  25. “This is a watershed moment,” Krishnendu Majumdar, BAFTA’s chair, said…

    Can we trust that this person’s view of watersheds might not be, well, tainted?

    However, this is surprisingly good news:

    The Lockdown Cleaned the Ganga More Than ‘Namami Gange’ Ever Did

  26. … “This is a watershed moment,” Krishnendu Majumdar, BAFTA’s chair, said on Thursday, in a news release announcing the changes. “This creative renewal is not just about changes to the awards,” he added. “This is a reappraisal of our values.”

    Razib Khan’s latest article is relevant.

    How Brahmins lead the fight against white privilege

    Upper-class Indians are prominent in America’s radical racial politics despite centuries of privilege

    BY Razib Khan

    https://unherd.com/2020/09/how-brahmins-lead-the-fight-against-white-privilege/

    Not just in America’s politics, apparently.

    • Thanks: polistra
  27. @anonymous1963
    What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Neuday

    They didn’t win anything. Some Brit on another thread recently was chirping about how they were running the tables against the Germans in 1916 and 1917 and how (therefore) the arrival of the Yanks was totally inconsequential. He’s a liar of course — they were getting their asses kicked.

    Same thing in WW2. They didn’t defeat the Germans in one single major land engagement in Europe. For them the war was a lot of Jubilees and Market Gardens and various acts of sabotage, some of which may have actually worked.

  28. @Thomm
    Speaking of black celebrities, among American black male celebrities alone, the birth rate is very high. Among black female celebrities, it appears to be only one-third as high or less. Black men know what is important.

    This is to be expected, but look at the huge numbers. The criteria of this list is that the man in question is a) American, and b) was famous at any point from 1950-2000.


    Elijah Muhammad : 23
    ‘Screamin’ Jay Hawkins : 33+ (perhaps over 60)
    Ray Charles : 12 (!!!)
    Sammy Davis Jr. : 4
    Harry Bellafonte : 4
    James Meredith : 4
    Richard Pryor : 7
    James Brown : 13
    BB King : 15
    Richard Roundtree : 5
    Sidney Poitier : 6
    Flash Tavares Sr. : 10
    Fats Domino : 8
    Miles Davis : 4
    Roscoe Orman : 4
    Otis Redding : 4
    Chuck Berry : 4
    Flip Wilson : 5
    Oscar Peterson : 6
    Sam Cooke : 6 (would have had more)
    Louis Farrakhan : 9
    Khalid Abdul Muhammad : 5
    Benjamin Chavis : 8
    Malcolm X : 6 (would have had more)
    MLK : 4 (would have had more)
    Ralph Abernathy : 5
    Jesse Jackson : 6
    Roy Innis : 10
    Gordon Parks : 4
    Kweisi Mfume : 5
    Andrew Young : 4
    Willie Brown : 4
    Joe Louis : 6
    Bobo Brazil : 6
    Muhammad Ali : 9
    George Foreman : 10
    Mike Tyson : 8
    Evander Holyfield : 11
    Floyd Mayweather Sr. : 5
    Floyd Mayweather Jr. : 5
    Kimbo Slice : 6
    Joe Jackson : 11
    Jackie Jackson : 4
    Jermaine Jackson : 7
    Stevie Wonder : 9 (!!!)
    Berry Gordy : 8
    Quincy Jones : 7
    James Ingram : 6
    Barry White : 9
    Ron Banks : 6
    Isaac Hayes : 14
    Bob Marley : 9 (not an American, technically, but still).
    Philip Bailey : 7
    Ramsey Lewis : 7
    Curtis Mayfield : 10
    Jackie Wilson : 9
    Al Green : 6
    Lou Rawls : 4
    Bill Cosby : 5
    Ahmad Rashad : 5
    Montel Williams : 4
    Demond Wilson : 6
    Ben Vereen : 5
    Robert Guillaume : 5
    Lawrence Fishburne : 4
    Larry Holmes : 5
    Ernie Hudson : 4
    Fred Williamson : 6
    Morgan Freeman : 4
    Yaphet Kotto : 6
    Eddie Murphy : 10
    Phillip Michael Thomas : 11
    Denzel Washington : 4
    Cuba Gooding Sr : 4
    Wesley Snipes : 5
    Doug Williams : 8
    OJ Simpson : 5
    Travis Henry : 11
    Calvin Murphy : 14
    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar : 5
    Michael Jordan : 5
    Scottie Pippen : 5
    Karl Malone : 7
    Shaquille O’Neal : 5
    Jason Caffey : 10
    Willie Anderson : 9
    Dwight Howard : 5
    Royce White : 5
    Shawn Kemp : 7
    Emmitt Smith : 4
    William ‘Fridge’ Perry : 4
    Chad Johnson : 4
    Willis McGahee : 9
    Deion Sanders : 5
    MC Hammer : 5
    Bobby Brown : 7
    P Diddy : 6
    Master P : 7
    LL Cool J : 4
    Snoop Dogg : 4
    Pharrell Williams : 4
    MC Ren : 5
    Dr. Dre : 6
    Warren G : 4
    Coolio : 10
    Eazy-E : 11
    Kurupt : 6
    Kokane : 8
    DMX : 15
    Ginuwine : 7
    Flavor Flav : 7
    T.I. : 6
    Run DMC : 6
    Swizz Beatz : 5
    Rick Ross : 4
    Lil Wayne : 4
    Ol’ Dirty Bastard : 4 (would have had more)
    Ghostface Killah : 4
    John Singleton : 7
    Ice Cube : 4
    Steve Harvey : 4
    Eddie Griffin : 9
    Tracy Morgan : 4
    Kanye West : 4

    I suspect that some ghetto blacks living in dangerous and impoverished surroundings may actually have famous fathers or grandfathers, but on account of the large number of kids and the loss of money over generation, end up back in the projects.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @polistra

    That’s just the ones they admit to

  29. @Voltarde
    Meanwhile, in the sciences, capital "B" uplift is on the agenda ...

    https://media.springernature.com/w580h326/nature-cms/uploads/collections/Career_Guide_Hero_1200x675-a3f342d1e4aef074687053afaa9ebb66.jpg

    Diversity in science: next steps for research group leaders
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02681-y

    Woods agrees that shifting the focus from diversity to inclusion and equity is necessary if barriers in academia are to be broken down — and it all starts in the classroom, she says. “We wouldn’t be having these conversations of killing a Black man in the streets, because you would have learnt not to fear a Black man because he’s Black. We would have more Black people in the classroom, and more Black teachers, and more Black information because it’s out there; it’s just not included in the syllabus. When people realize that inclusion and equity really is a matter of life and death, that changes the narrative.
     

    Replies: @polistra, @kaganovitch

    “Science” articles increasingly exhibit the tone and lingo of 30-something chicks on Reddit and Twitter, which is to say that they sound like they were written by 12-year-old girls.

  30. @Anon

    all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.
     
    I'm kind of thinking that there may be a precipitous drop in participation in the voting. I mean, it's an anonymous, unpaid, voluntary thing, and people do it mostly for the momentary ego boost it gives them, knowing that they are one of the inner circle. It's not going to take much to counterbalance that, and having to sit through a Zoom meeting with a hectoring lesbian black indoctrinix is enough to cause most people to say, chuck it!

    You can still make a list of what you would have voted for and pretend you did in any conversations.

    Replies: @polistra

    all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training

    Does the phrase mean that they will be knocked out during the “training” ??

    At least that should make it easier for them to tolerate.

    And probably more effective as well…

  31. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    How completely humiliating for Blacks.

    They’ve just assured that no Blacks will gain real status from winning.

    Why not just have Black awards? This is the same exact thing under a different name.

    The status gained for Whites might now actually increase, given that the award will be rarer for them. As it was prior for Blacks, and therefore offered maximum status.

    That might be one of the fatal social mistakes for some groups. They believe that the shine, the badge, and the bumper sticker is worth more than the symbol. Which is why wealthy Blacks buy diamonds to wear in strange ways and truly high status Whites are more apt to buy modest AWD vehicles.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    In the US, the NAACP holds an annual Image Awards show for black entertainers. It's a nice thing and is usually on TV somewhere.

    The blacks who get all upset over blacks not winning enough Oscars are upscale blacks who don't really like Tyler Perry-type stuff for the black masses, they like white culture more, but they want blacks to win all the awards for white culture.

  32. @Thatgirl
    @Altai

    Ron Perlman is far far uglier than that guy. Uncanny valley territory in that he looks like an ape that has been made human. Plus he has an abrasive and aggressive personality.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Ron Perlman is far far uglier than that guy. Uncanny valley territory in that he looks like an ape that has been made human. Plus he has an abrasive and aggressive personality.

  33. @Anon
    How completely humiliating for Blacks.

    They've just assured that no Blacks will gain real status from winning.

    Why not just have Black awards? This is the same exact thing under a different name.

    The status gained for Whites might now actually increase, given that the award will be rarer for them. As it was prior for Blacks, and therefore offered maximum status.

    That might be one of the fatal social mistakes for some groups. They believe that the shine, the badge, and the bumper sticker is worth more than the symbol. Which is why wealthy Blacks buy diamonds to wear in strange ways and truly high status Whites are more apt to buy modest AWD vehicles.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In the US, the NAACP holds an annual Image Awards show for black entertainers. It’s a nice thing and is usually on TV somewhere.

    The blacks who get all upset over blacks not winning enough Oscars are upscale blacks who don’t really like Tyler Perry-type stuff for the black masses, they like white culture more, but they want blacks to win all the awards for white culture.

  34. Voters for the BAFTA will have to take bias training?

    Steven. You are making this up.

  35. Maybe instead of unconscious bias they should just pick them while unconscious.

  36. Blacks are about 2% of the population of Britain and are already overrepresented several thousand times over in ‘British’ film and television, especially compared to, say, the native working class living in places that no-one even pretends to care about like Bolton or Thanet.

  37. Since the indigenous peoples of the British Isles have never been very good at acting,….

    Have you really forgotten John Derbyshire’s seminal ‘yobbo in a stripey top falling over a sofa’?!

    I hear that he does all his own stunts.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Listen carefully and you might hear Cliff mutter “this one is for the Derb.”

    https://youtu.be/C2V8lFTOpbs?t=167

  38. @Voltarde
    Meanwhile, in the sciences, capital "B" uplift is on the agenda ...

    https://media.springernature.com/w580h326/nature-cms/uploads/collections/Career_Guide_Hero_1200x675-a3f342d1e4aef074687053afaa9ebb66.jpg

    Diversity in science: next steps for research group leaders
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02681-y

    Woods agrees that shifting the focus from diversity to inclusion and equity is necessary if barriers in academia are to be broken down — and it all starts in the classroom, she says. “We wouldn’t be having these conversations of killing a Black man in the streets, because you would have learnt not to fear a Black man because he’s Black. We would have more Black people in the classroom, and more Black teachers, and more Black information because it’s out there; it’s just not included in the syllabus. When people realize that inclusion and equity really is a matter of life and death, that changes the narrative.
     

    Replies: @polistra, @kaganovitch

    We would have more Black people in the classroom, and more Black teachers, and more Black information because it’s out there; it’s just not included in the syllabus. When people realize that inclusion and equity really is a matter of life and death, that changes the narrative.”

    The idea that Blacks would benefit from more exposure of “Black information” is deeply delusional.

  39. “British Oscars”

    Jesus you’re a dweeb

  40. They’re not plaques, they’re masks, and considering that BAMES are still less than 15% of the UK population, they seem to already get a fair share, though cutting out Yanks might help improve the ratio.

  41. @syonredux

    Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.
     
    You see, with the proper training


    http://www.cryptogon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ludoviko.jpg


    You will no longer prefer this


    http://www.beautifulpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Margot-Robbie-Hot-and-Sexy-28.jpg



    Over this


    https://bust.com/images/articles/37861/michaela-coel-2_54e2a.jpg

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    I have checked before and can confirm that the person in the second photo was notborn a man. I actually think this is worse.

  42. This should be a good time for talented individuals with money to start their own production companies making films that people actually want to see starring good actors with talent.

  43. but why are the British so much better at faking an American accent, than vice versa? actually i suspect why, but i’d like to hear the iSteve take on this.

    is the Brendan Gleeson Trump impression any good?

    what will Christopher Nolan do when Michael Caine dies?

  44. @anonymous1963
    What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Neuday

    What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.

    The Bolsheviks won the wars*, the Bolsheviks won the peace. Stalin’s purges simply meant they had to relocate, and relocate they did.

    *Although the communist revolution precipitated their withdrawal from WWI, their (((fellow travelers))) were able to not only stab Germany in the back but also push through the incredibly onerous penalties on Germany in the Treaty that all-but-guaranteed WWII.

    Mr. Balfour says “Halloo”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Neuday


    The Bolsheviks won the wars*, the Bolsheviks won the peace.
     
    Liberalism won the wars and won the peace. Liberalism is a whole lot worse than Bolshevism.
  45. @syonredux

    Starting with the awards in 2021, all 6,700 voting members of BAFTA will have to undergo unconscious bias training before casting any ballots.
     
    With the proper use of the Ludovico Technique


    http://www.cryptogon.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ludoviko.jpg

    You will no longer be biased in favor of women who look like this

    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/2015/02/margot_robbie_cu.jpg


    And will understand that women who look like this are truly beautiful


    https://bust.com/images/articles/37861/michaela-coel-2_54e2a.jpg

    Replies: @usNthem, @JimB, @SunBakedSuburb

    Margot Robbie is more handsome than pretty which is a common trait among Anglo Saxon actresses.

  46. Can we just get on with it have “White”–excuse me “white”–awards:

    white BAFTAs, white Oscars, white Grammys, white Tonys, Miss white America, … heck throw in a wFL, wBA as well.

    We’ve had black awards, black beauty pageants for years. Likewise we have had separate music genre awards–ex. Country.

    Whites are headed to minority status in our nations. We have separate tastes and interests. I know i’m less and less interested in even hearing about blacks–much less seeing or listening to their shuck and jive or tedious lectures. Granted i’m not the target audience for an award show. (I’ve never sat through one and I probably haven’t seen more than a minute or two of one since maybe an Oscar telecast in 1970-something.) But i think more and more white people would be perfectly happy to watch, or just hear about the genre they actually care about–white people’s stuff.

  47. @Anonymous

    Since the indigenous peoples of the British Isles have never been very good at acting,….
     
    Have you really forgotten John Derbyshire's seminal 'yobbo in a stripey top falling over a sofa'?!

    I hear that he does all his own stunts.

    https://youtu.be/7BdJ3YR6EvM

    Replies: @anon

    Listen carefully and you might hear Cliff mutter “this one is for the Derb.”

  48. @Neuday
    @anonymous1963


    What a joke Britain has become. They may have won two wars against the Germans, but they sure lost the peace.
     
    The Bolsheviks won the wars*, the Bolsheviks won the peace. Stalin's purges simply meant they had to relocate, and relocate they did.

    *Although the communist revolution precipitated their withdrawal from WWI, their (((fellow travelers))) were able to not only stab Germany in the back but also push through the incredibly onerous penalties on Germany in the Treaty that all-but-guaranteed WWII.

    Mr. Balfour says "Halloo".

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The Bolsheviks won the wars*, the Bolsheviks won the peace.

    Liberalism won the wars and won the peace. Liberalism is a whole lot worse than Bolshevism.

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