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From the New York Times news section, an update:

Capitol Police Officer Dies From Injuries in Pro-Trump Rampage

The death of the officer, Brian D. Sicknick, appeared likely to lead to calls for profound changes to the Capitol Police, a centuries-old force.

By Marc Santora, Megan Specia and Mike Baker
Published Jan. 8, 2021

Updated Feb. 12, 2021
UPDATE: New information has emerged regarding the death of the Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by officials close to the Capitol Police.

A United States Capitol Police officer died on Thursday night from injuries sustained “while physically engaging” with pro-Trump rioters who descended on the U.S. Capitol the day before, the fifth fatality linked to the chaos that engulfed the nation’s capital on Wednesday, according to the authorities.

At this point, we simply don’t know why the poor man died some number of hours after his stressful encounter with the mob.

CNN deserves credit for airing this problem with The Narrative back on February 2.

The New York Times, not so much.

 
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  1. Wilkey says:

    We also still don’t know who murdered Ashli Babbitt.

    Any other place, any other police department, any different race of victim, and we would have know the officer’s name long ago.

    Our assholes in Congress look after their own.

  2. JimDandy says:

    I knew it was bullshit narrative-building from the very start. That is to say, I strongly suspected it, but craved confirmation. They cremated the body, and we’ll probably never know the true story, but I believe we can safely state as fact that this man’s head was not bashed in with a fire extinguisher.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  3. The NYT is becoming increasingly bipartisan.
    More and more evil, more and more stupid.

    https://vdare.com/posts/bipartisanship-and-sam-francis

    “IN AMERICA, WE have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer is supposed to have told a visiting group of Russian legislators some years ago.
    “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party.”

    He added: “Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called – “bipartisanship.”

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Prester John
  4. Steve, you’ve double-posted this.

  5. I wonder how many of the deaths and injuries had to do with being crushed by crowds. I don’t think most people have any idea how dangerous crowds of people pushing each other towards an obstacle or restriction can be, even if no one falls and gets trampled. Human organs simply can’t function at pressures beyond a certain threshold. It’s so counterintuitive that often the people pushing at the back of a crowd have no idea people are dying at the front.

    I wonder if organ damage from a crush can kill someone hours after the fact…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_stampedes_and_crushes

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  6. Dr. X says:

    we simply don’t know why the poor man died

    “Poor man?” I don’t think so. Armed mercenaries for our corrupt overlords are very, very well paid. I won’t be exactly sobbing my eyes out over the fact that one of them has passed.

  7. Kyle says:

    Brain aneurism due to covid? He seemed like a relatively healthy young man. All the commotion seems to have caused a few other “medical emergencies.” It may have been the most strenuous physical exertion some of these people have performed in decades. I don’t condone mob violence. But the key question here is, was this mob armed, and what were they going to do to Nancy Pelosi & AOC if they found them. We’re they going to kill them? The alternative is that this was a mob of crazy people in a desperate last ditch attempt to filibuster & delay the certification. Simply by causing a ruckus. It’s self evidently the latter. Is it unprecedented that mobs of insane protestors disrupt congress? Maybe. Maybe we really do need a reality czar. Reality isn’t reality anymore, reality is whatever fits the dominant narrative. The reality is these people weren’t going to kill AOC, and the vast majority of people on the right don’t support extremists disrupting the election certification.

  8. His death was useful for a higher Narrative.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  9. Alden says:

    David Bailey an affirmative action black Brazilian immigrant murdered Ashli Babbitt.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Neuday
  10. Art Deco says:

    We don’t know, but we can guess. (1) They’re sitting on the autopsy report, which was one might wager completed four weeks ago. (2) Compiling a log of his movements from security camera video (working back from the time he collapsed in the division office) is one might imagine a tedious task, but still something they’ve had ample time to do. There have been no postings of images of ‘attackers’ for people to grass up to the authorities. (3) Someone in the force appears to be leaking to state media for whatever reason. CNN was out of character in broadcasting it. It all suggests that the raw material they have is inconvenient to the U.S. Attorney. A speculation: they’re trying to extort from the coroner a ruling that his death is a ‘homicide’ and he persists in marking it ‘undetermined’ or perhaps ‘natural causes’. (4) Atrial fibrilation is rare in men of 42, but not unknown. That can generate a blood clot which travels, and the modal destination is to the brain. His family was told he had a blood clot in his brain.

  11. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    NY Post: When they smear Trump voters, they dishonor Officer Sicknick’s memory.

    “Just so I have this straight. If a person with terrible views kills another person with terrible views, those terrible views must now be deemed acceptable? Like if I was in an evil murder cult and killed another person in said evil murder cult, it would be rude to disparage the views of the evil murder cult because the person I murdered was also in the evil murder cult? That doesn’t seem right. I don’t think anything works like that. Maybe the mob? Like how people always say “Eh, they only kill their own, it’s not like they’re bothering people who aren’t involved. People know what they’re getting into” about the mob? But I don’t think that is what is going on here either.” (Robyn Pennacchia, Wonkette

    https://www.wonkette.com/ny-post-cop-killed-by-trump-supporters-was-a-trump-supporter-so-something

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  12. @Wilkey

    Indeed.

    Attack a police Precinct: Who cares? They’re just hick police.

    Attack a courthouse: Who cares? Racist justices deserve it.

    Attack small businesses: Who cares? They are small businessmen so don’t matter

    Romp around the US Congress for an hour or so injuring or attacking exactly zero congress vermin: OH MY GAWD…the great unwashed actually in the same building as us.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  13. JohnnyD says:

    Prediction: Sicknick’s death will now be memory holed, now that they can’t blame it on Trump supporters.

  14. Much more interested in the Black Man that killed Ashli Babbit; it’s been over a month, where is the NYT and Bezo’s Post in demanding the name?

  15. Mike Tre says:

    “At this point, we simply don’t know why the poor man died some number of hours after his stressful encounter with the mob.”

    At this point I’m wondering if it’s a case of friendly fire. Not necessarily shot by another Capitol PO, but maybe struck with a baton or something of that nature. Given the clear bad shooting of Babbitt, in which it appears the officer will not face chargers, the CPO might be trying to avoid anymore evidence of their extreme incompetence.

  16. Anonymous[822] • Disclaimer says:

    To clarify, he died over 24 hours after the Capitol was occupied on the night of January 7th.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  17. unit472 says:

    Apparently the officer who shot Ashli Babbitt must actually own the US Capitol or use it as his residence. The use of lethal force is reserved almost exclusively to a homeowner defending his home against an intruder. An incident involving Washington Post columnist Carl T. Rowan is illustrative. Rowan, a negro, shot a white teenager, who was swimming in his pool. He was not charged either.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  18. You accidentally double posted this.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  19. Ragno says:

    You should’ve immediately sensed something was wrong when you noticed they were exhibiting sympathy for a dead policeman. It’s like when the guy on the hostage tape smiles and says they’re being treated well and meanwhile he’s morsecoding HELP ME in desperate eye-blinks.

  20. I remember in case a long time ago when I was working in one of the islands, when a patient died who had been in hospital for more than 20 years with brain damage sustained in a traffic accident.

    Within hours of his death a police officer was present in the hospital taking statements regarding the manner of his death which was ruled to be a homicide even though he died more than 20 years after the accident.

    If the cop at the capital had a heart attack that was brought upon by struggling with demonstrators, from a legal point of view that could still be a ruled a homicide.

    It is ridiculous to continue to maintain that the invasion of the capitol was just a kind of harmless student prank. It wasn’t, and now that Trump has been acquitted in the impeachment trial by a rigged jury, his followers will only be encouraged by this kind of nonsensical thinking.

    Stop it, Steve. You are too intelligent for this! Stop while you are ahead. Write about golf course design, or false allegations of rape.

    What is needed now is for all the domestic Airlines to boycott those senators who voted in favor of acquittal, and for an international ban on travel to countries that elect governments for those senators.

    The United States has a history of banning travel to the United States by politicians of other countries, so such a step is entirely American in origin and has been considered acceptable by the US administration.

    Actually the state department could also just cancel their passports. That should take nothing more than an executive order.

    It would also be a good idea for businesses that are publicly owned companies to boycott these senators, for example stopping them from using email or Twitter, or from buying a hamburger at McDonald’s (not that they would want to, if they had any sense–but then they don’t!).

    They could also be barred from buying advertising time on TV or radio, and from using escort agencies in the Washington DC area.

  21. As I commented on January 16,

    “No. Nothing convincing. There is no connection between the man hit with the fire extinguisher and a man who may or may not have later died.

    Obvious from the video that the fire extinguisher was casually tossed and glanced off the helmet of an officer. The officer’s head was not displaced sideways because the blow was glancing. No one was hurt. The officer shrugged it off.

    A few days after the protests, Democrats realized that shooting a vet in cold blood made them look bad so they decided to come up with an equalizer. They looked through all the video and came upon the harmless fire extinguisher incident. Ahha!!!!

    By the time America’s glorious new service was finished, the incident morphed into a loyal public servant being “beaten to death with a fire extinguisher”.

  22. @Art Deco

    A rush of adrenaline caused by a highly emotional and terrifying situation could easily cause a cardiac arrest, and was probably the most likely cause on this occasion.

    Coroners are not stupid.

  23. There’s no term to describe the very-common phenomena: Those superficially “bad” things that nonetheless are beneficial to those aligned with the victims. The Reichstag Fire, The Capitol “attack”, the Reagon near-assassination, Emmitt Till/George Floyd/etc getting snuffed, a celebrity saying “retard” or “tranny” or “jiggaboo”, a pandemic (for bored CDC scientists), or (for the neocons) September 11. In each case, people pretend to be upset, but of course the opposite is true–they are delighted!

    The Democrats were probably damn-near peeing their pants with happiness when the “insurrection” occurred and the death count went (barely) above zero. We need a snappy term to describe such useful events.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  24. JimDandy says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The media was reporting, as fact, that the cop died as the result of being bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher. That was fake news. That deliberately shoddy journalism is the focus of this particular post. You have gone off on a tangent wherein you make wild leaps like “It is ridiculous to continue to maintain that the invasion of the capitol was just a kind of harmless student prank.” You are creating misleading narratives, just like the partisan media. Stop it, Jonathan. You are too intelligent for this! Etc. Etc.

  25. @Jonathan Mason

    So what? A rush of adrenaline caused by getting chased two blocks by a group of 5 black thugs can also cause cardiac arrest. Does that make for a murder charge? I’ve never heard of that.

    Ecuador could really use a guy like you, Joel Jonathan. Plus, Twitter and hot and cold running water, or so “they” say.

    • Agree: JimDandy, Polistra
  26. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It is ridiculous to continue to maintain that the invasion of the capitol was just a kind of harmless student prank. It wasn’t, and now that Trump has been acquitted in the impeachment trial by a rigged jury, his followers will only be encouraged by this kind of nonsensical thinking.

    It was a riot. They happen. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not that big a deal.

    Stop it, Steve. You are too intelligent for this!

    Certainly nobody has ever said this to you.

    What is needed now is for all the domestic Airlines to boycott those senators who voted in favor of acquittal, and for an international ban on travel to countries that elect governments for those senators.

    They voted to aquit in a politically motivated case in which the “court” had no standing and the “judge” was a member of the jury. The trial became constitutionally unsound the moment Trump ceased to be President on January 20th.

    Get stuffed, you ridiculous clown.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  27. Regarding the fire extinguisher and that cop, on the video I saw the cop had it thrown at him. This was no “battering”, unless there were two firex incidents, and I missed the other. Throwing stuff around is part of any riot, and those cops had their helmets, shields, the whole get-up. Shit is going to get thrown around in a riot purely by definition.

    If this is the most egregious thing the Lyin’ Press has on the patriotic Capitol Gang, they’ve got nothing at all. They could have already seen what a real riot looks like, as they’ve had all last summer and fall (some is still on-going).

    There’s still no word, more than 5 weeks later, on who the black cop who MURDERED Ashley Babbit was. Anarcho-Tyranny of the press. It’s what they do now. I don’t think even USSR’s Pravda would lie so blatantly, but then, I never subscribed.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @danand
    , @JimDandy
  28. Mr. Anon says:

    Sicknick told his brother he had been exposed to pepper-spray. He might have had an allergic reaction to it, and such reactions can cause cardiac problems. Who sprayed him was not clear. Certainly the police were using pepper-spray. Some of the rioters may have been too. If that is what led to his death, and the authorities claim it to be so, it kind of puts them in a bind in saying that pepper-spray is harmless.

    Or he may have just had un undiagnosed cardiac or circulatory problem and it killed him.

    Two other Capitol Police officers committed suicide in the weeks following the riot. They’ve tried to hang those on the rioters and Trump too.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  29. Oh, and on this part:

    .. the fifth fatality linked to the chaos that engulfed the nation’s capital on Wednesday,

    Linked?! I can link a lot of deaths to the bowel movements of Kevin Bacon. Give me 6 degrees. What a load of crap. Then, the Capitol (not the whole capital, I don’t think??) was engulfed? Really? Man, it takes a real insurrection to engulf a big building like that. Yet, I could somehow still see the place on video the whole time …

  30. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    A rush of adrenaline caused by a highly emotional and terrifying situation could easily cause a cardiac arrest, and was probably the most likely cause on this occasion.

    A riot cop who is terrified of riots shouldn’t be a riot cop.

  31. @Achmed E. Newman

    So what? A rush of adrenaline caused by getting chased two blocks by a group of 5 black thugs can also cause cardiac arrest. Does that make for a murder charge? I’ve never heard of that.

    So what? What does five black thugs have to do with this mob? What, exactly, is the relevance and/or the equivalence?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  32. wren says:

    AFAIK, the only thing that mattered to the media was using his dead body as a prop at the show trial so that chuck and nancy could cry about it.

    Now that it is over they can let the truth leak out.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  33. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yeah, that’ll happen. Reality much?

  34. Polistra says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Well you accidentally pointed it out! Now who da bitch?

  35. @Jonathan Mason

    It is ridiculous to continue to maintain that the invasion of the capitol was just a kind of harmless student prank.

    Like, say, the burning of the Third Precinct house in a peaceful protest?

    Their violence is speech, our speech is violence.

    Your assignment this President’s Day Washington’s Birthday is to read the chapter on Edmund G Ross in Profiles in Courage. Or watch the NBC episode based thereon.

    https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/profile-in-courage-award/about-the-book

    “Nonetheless, Ross voted against convicting Johnson, reasoning that if a president could be forced out of office by insufficient evidence that was based on partisan disagreement, the presidency would then be under the control of whatever congressional faction held sway.”

    Profiles in Courage (1964–1965)
    Edmund G. Ross

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Thanks: Paul Jolliffe
  36. @Achmed E. Newman

    Ecuador could really use a guy like you, Joel Jonathan. Plus, Twitter and hot and cold running water, or so “they” say.

    Do you think our Mr Mason sports an Abdalá Bucaram moustache?

    El (ex) Presidente’s birthday is coming up this Saturday, and a visit is in order. Bring Cadbury’s. No ✂️ or 🔪.

    If invited to an Ecuadorian home, bring flowers, good quality spirits, pastries, imported sweets for the hosts.
    A bouquet of roses is always well received.
    Do not give lilies or marigolds as they are used at funerals.
    Do not give scissors or knives as they indicate you want to sever the relationship.

    https://www.commisceo-global.com/resources/country-guides/ecuador-guide

  37. Anonymous[822] • Disclaimer says:

    If Officer Sicknick had died 36 hours after his Pfizer or Moderna mRNA Vaccine, the CDC would say it was likely a coincidence.

  38. @Jonathan Mason

    “What is needed now is for all the domestic Airlines to boycott those senators who voted in favor of acquittal, and for an international ban on travel to countries that elect governments for those senators.” Don’t you mean all Senators that voted guilty? A simple reading of multiple clauses in the Constitution lets you know it was a sham. It’s a shame AOC isn’t a member of the Senate. She could have talked about how Trump raped her while Cruz kept her down at gunpoint. Did you see Pelosi’s reaction? These people have an emptiness in their souls that they try to fill with appearances on “news” shows. Hopefully they’ll give those up for Lent.

  39. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was Seth Riched. There was a lot of time to slip him some poison. He did not go straight to the hospital. He went back to his office first. He was a known Trump supporter. Hey, why not kill 2 birds with one stone and demonize Trump in the process?

    An autopsy was done but it hasn’t been made public. If I were that coroner I’d keep my head on a swivel.

  40. It’s pretty creepy that the body of Brian Sicknick was kept on ice for nearly a month until it could be brought out as an emotional prop for the Democrats’ idiotic impeachment ritual. Is there anything normal about this? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have him lie in state a few days after his death? I guess that just wasn’t as useful for the circus.

    The Democrats are shameless and revolting, but half the country thinks they’re just peachy.

    • Replies: @wren
  41. danand says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Regarding the fire extinguisher and that cop…”

    Newman, Steve’s linked CNN article indicates you are correct:

    “According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.”

    Officer Sicknick, appeared to be an decent man, though with an aversion, like a lot people, to tying the knot. From his obituary:

    “…His duties included patrolling the grounds and protecting those he was sworn to serve, as well as the public at large that visited the Capitol on a daily basis.

    Officer Sicknick enjoyed relaxing at home with his longtime girlfriend, loved watching M*A*S*H, Band of Brothers, South Park, and Reno 911, as well as a variety of action movies. Additionally, he was a big fan of comedians Jimmy Norton and Anthony Cumia. Despite his private persona, Officer Sicknick’s excitement and love for the NJ Devils could never be denied.

    Officer Brian Sicknick leaves behind his longtime girlfriend of 11 years Sandra Garza, and his two dachshunds Sparky and Pebbles.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Anon87
  42. ‘…The Democrats are shameless and revolting, but half the country thinks they’re just peachy.’

    Supposedly. How many Biden bumper stickers did you see?

  43. BenKenobi says:

    The Democrats are shameless and revolting, but half the country thinks they’re just peachy.

    Or half the country is shameless and revolting.

  44. @Mr. Anon

    I honestly think he’s just taking the piss now. He’s Tiny Duck with somewhat better grammar. His dumpster posts are too OTT to be serious.

    “Banned from using escort agencies”

    That was the tip-off.

  45. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The guy’s job was to deal with adrenaline-raising situations. If the stress of dealing with an angry crowd of protestors contributed to his death later on because of some condition, it is a ridiculous stretch to say that he was murdered.

  46. @Jonathan Mason

    Actually the state department could also just cancel their passports. That should take nothing more than an executive order.

    It would also be a good idea for businesses that are publicly owned companies to boycott these senators, for example stopping them from using email or Twitter, or from buying a hamburger at McDonald’s (not that they would want to, if they had any sense–but then they don’t!).

    Better yet, let’s write bills of attainder for each of these vile miscreants and send their immediate families to die in the concentration camps we need to establish for doubleplusungood crimethinkers. /sarc/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  47. @Guy De Champlagne

    Eleven fans (no doubt, mostly young) were crushed to death at a Who concert in Cincinnati in 1979.

  48. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:

    A Guns, Germs & Steel sighting in the recent firing of NYT reporter after Peru HS trip.

    “She was 17 at the time, and had just finished her senior year at Phillips Academy Andover, a boarding school sometimes rated America’s best. She’s the kind of teenager who is excited to talk to a New York Times correspondent about public health, and perhaps to put the adventure on a résumé. She had even done the optional reading Mr. McNeil suggested, Jared Diamond’s 1997 book, “Guns, Germs, and Steel,” a Pulitzer-winning history that argues that environmental and geographic factors produced the global domination of European civilization. The book has drawn criticism for a deterministic view that seems to absolve colonial powers of responsibility for their choices.

    Ms. Shepherd said she noticed that Mr. McNeil was walking alone as they left their hostel on the first morning of the trip, so she caught up with him. She asked him, she recalled, about the criticism of the book.

    “He got very defensive very quickly about it,” she recalled. “It’s just a book, it’s just making this point, it’s very simple, it’s not racist.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/14/business/media/new-york-times-donald-mcneil.html

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/1361149624803713028

  49. @Jonathan Mason

    Coroners are not stupid

    Ergo, Jonathan Mason is not a coroner.

  50. JimDandy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you sure you saw the fire extinguisher thrown at him?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  51. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Also, convict them of corruption of blood.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  52. wren says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Is there anything normal about this?

    Not just the impeachment sham.

    I am still not clear why DC is occupied by thousands of national guard troops and razor wire.

    For a president that allegedly got ten million votes more than obama and is the most popular in history, he sure seems scared to address the public in public.

    • Replies: @Peterike
  53. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    Brian Sicknick, of course, is the Capitol Police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher by one of the people storming the Capitol.

    At some point, one of the participants took a fire extinguisher and bashed him in the head with it, leading to brain injuries that later killed him. I don’t know that this makes him a martyr so much as a shining example of exactly how dangerous the people who invaded the Capitol were. You know, because they killed a guy by bashing him over the head with a fire extinguisher,

    or we should decide that because his personal views were more in line with that of the person who bashed him over the head with a fire extinguisher, that those views are fine now.

    Robyn, you are fake news. Sad!

  54. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    A rush of adrenaline caused by a highly emotional and terrifying situation could easily cause a cardiac arrest, and was probably the most likely cause on this occasion.

    He did not suffer a cardiac arrest. Nor did he collapse engaging with anyone. It was all over, he’d gone back to his office, and he’d texted his family that he’d been pepper sprayed a couple of times but suffered no injuries. It was at that point he collapsed. Again, his family was told at the hospital that he had a blood clot in his brain.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Anon87
  55. Art Deco says:
    @danand

    It’s a pity he didn’t have any children.

    If the biography of the men in his social circle resembles that of the young men in our families, he’s seen multiple incidents over the last dozen years of young husbands who were cuckolded and abandoned.

  56. @Colin Wright

    “Supposedly. How many Biden bumper stickers did you see?”
    Those exist?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Colin Wright
  57. @JimDandy

    A cop’s job is to deal with black thugs. Your point is?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  58. JMcG says:
    @Ron Mexico

    The only ones I’ve seen are the ones that say ByeDon. It’s almost like it was scripted.

  59. @Steve Sailer

    9 of the 11 were between 15 and 21, while the outliers were 22 and 27. The cause of death was festival seating, which caused the Hillsborough disaster less than 10 years later. Soon thereafter the Premier League switched to assigned seating.

    Some American teams are starting to sell SRO tickets again but they seem to be limited in number. Hopefully they remember the past.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  60. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    My point is clearly stated in the comment you just replied to.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  61. Richard B says:
    @JimDandy

    I believe we can safely state as fact that this man’s head was not bashed in with a fire extinguisher.

    At least not by the mob.

  62. @onetwothree

    The Democrats were probably damn-near peeing their pants with happiness when the “insurrection” occurred

    You begin to suspect so when you contemplate the fact that the building had so little security. The Democrats impeached Trump because they claim he should have known he was inciting violence; well, if he should have known, shouldn’t Nancy Pelosi have known as well? It was her responsibility to make sure the building was secure, and there were National Guard troops available for that purpose. She chose not to deploy them. Knowing how cunning and ruthless Nancy is, it may be that things went exactly as she had hoped.

    After all, Terry McAuliffe, an equally cunning and ruthless politician, stage-managed the Charlottesville protest for maximum political advantage, having the police not keep the statue-supporting protestors separate from the Antifa mob.

  63. @Colin Wright

    Supposedly.

    I guess you don’t see Tweets and Facebook posts from progressives.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  64. @Guy De Champlagne

    ‘I wonder how many of the deaths and injuries had to do with being crushed by crowds. I don’t think most people have any idea how dangerous crowds of people pushing each other towards an obstacle or restriction can be, even if no one falls and gets trampled. Human organs simply can’t function at pressures beyond a certain threshold. It’s so counterintuitive that often the people pushing at the back of a crowd have no idea people are dying at the front…’

    I was thinking — other than the black cop murdering Ashli Babbitt — it all resembled one of those Third-World soccer stadium disasters. Poor organization, way too many people, and voila…

  65. @Harry Baldwin

    ‘I guess you don’t see Tweets and Facebook posts from progressives.’

    No, I don’t.

  66. @Ron Mexico

    ‘“Supposedly. How many Biden bumper stickers did you see?”
    Those exist?’

    They definitely do. I saw a third one just the other day.

  67. Cortes says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Hillsborough was caused by incompetence (at best) by Police match commanders and involved standing areas of terracing “pens”.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  68. Sailer:

    CNN deserves credit for airing this problem with The Narrative back on February 2.

    The New York Times, not so much.

    Not so much The Atlantic, either, which in an article dated February 14th falsely claims Sicknick was “beaten to death” and links to the corrected (on February 12th) NYT article that initially claimed Sicknick was killed by being struck with a fire extinguisher:

    Eric Metaxas Believes America Is Creeping Toward Nazi Germany

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/02/eric-metaxas-2020-election-trump/617999/

    Metaxas: The media landscape was not what you just described. It was an absolute pile-on. You’d think somebody had clubbed a senator to death or something. I was just scratching my head, trying to make sense of whatever happened, if we even know what happened. There are enough questions that it’s so confusing. They were acting like people were shot.

    Green: I want to stop you there, because a Capitol Police officer was beaten to death by protesters. [emphasis added] He died of his injuries.

  69. The important thing is that the MSM can chant that a cop died on 6 January 2021, a day that will live in infamy.

    Trump lied, people died.

  70. We should be open to the possibility that Sicknick is not a real name.

    Also open to the possibility that no cops actually died. If just one single riot by middle class whites causes one or two riot cops do die from bumps and bruises or die from heart attack afterwards then the summer of BLM should have caused massive attrition of cops.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Art Deco
  71. @Hippopotamusdrome

    As Joseph Wambaugh noted, cops killing themselves is not unknown. This source says 228 in 2019. If BLM stresses raised that by 10%, that would be two dozen per year.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  72. @Mr. Anon

    Two other Capitol Police officers committed suicide in the weeks following the riot. They’ve tried to hang those on the rioters and Trump too.

    I read about those suicides. Are the duties of Capitol officers mainly the same as other cops, or are they largely focused on ceremonial peace-keeping?

  73. fnn says:

  74. @Colin Wright

    Sadly, a Third-World environment is not a precondition. Or, alternatively, a somewhat extended concept of ‘Third-World’ is necessary.

  75. Art Deco says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    We should be open to the possibility that Sicknick is not a real name.

    It’s a rare but real name. As far as I can discern, all the Sicknicks in America are descendants of one Danish family who settled in Middlesex County, NJ in the early 20th century. As late as 1940, they were all living in that county.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  76. Old Prude says:

    Who killed Ashli Babbitt? The question must be asked forever.

  77. @Art Deco

    Atrial fibrillation–cardiac arrest–same thing for all practical purposes, which can cause formation of blood clots in the brain due to stagnation of blood flow.

    Do you really truly honestly think that this guy would have died at his place of work on that very day if there have been no political demonstration or invasion of the capitol? This is just wishful thinking on your part.

  78. @Jonathan Mason

    Actually the state department could also just cancel their passports. That should take nothing more than an executive order.

    I do hope you are joking, it’s a little hard to tell from the flat affect of text.
    The optics of such actions would make it easy to paint the executive as a anti-democratic tyrant, and not without some justification. Once people are convinced they have no stake in the democratic process, there will be no process and all hell breaks loose.

    The Antifa rioters tried all summer to provoke an over reaction because that is the weapon of the weak. It was hard to stomach, but not giving in to the natural response impulse was the smarter play.

  79. @Colin Wright

    Yes, and that is exactly why uncontrolled political demonstrations and building invasions of this kind can turn deadly.

    And that is why Donald Trump is totally guilty of inciting this ride and causing this problem guilty of inciting this riot, a political demonstration that was not properly policed, and he should now be put on trial for his life on charges of causing death by inciting a riot.

    As Mitch McConnell said, the Republicans who voted to acquit on an impeachment did so on a pure technicality that Trump was out of office so impeachment was an inappropriate charge, but they would apparently have no objection to him being tried on capital charges for causing death by inciting a riot.

  80. tanabear says:

    Revolver.News had a good write up on this. I believe this is what forced the NYT to retract their fake news story.

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/maga-blood-libel-why-are-they-hiding-the-medical-report/

    The stakes are high: Officer Sicknick’s death is the only purported death by a largely tourist crowd that was let into the building by police, stayed inside the velvet ropes, seemed at least partly there out of confusion, for social media clout, or just for the memes, and that even the New York Times conceded caused limited property damage.

    That’s a far cry from murder. Yet MAGA is being blood libeled with a felony murder charge in the court of public opinion and at Donald Trump’s impeachment, while potentially exculpatory evidence is silenced or sealed. As the Washington Uniparty mulls domestic terror laws over a MAGA Bloodbath, it increasingly looks like MAGA may have been Bloodbathed. ”

    p.s. Did we ever find out what happened to officer Terrance Yeakey?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_Yeakey

    • Agree: Guest29048
  81. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    This is neither here nor there – it is entirely possible to succumb days or even years after an injury and legally whoever inflicted the injury remains liable for the murder.

    However, in Sicknick’s case, it now appears that there may have been no physical injury to him that was inflicted by the protestors (in particular, he was never hit by a fire extinguisher or any blunt object. Due to the fog of war, initial reports are often just plain wrong, ESPECIALLY when the reporters and authorities are politically biased and tend to see what they want to see). There is still some question of whether he was sprayed with bear spray (it’s not clear by whom) and whether he had some kind of undiagnosed medical condition that made him sensitive to being sprayed but even if they could find the person who did this, it’s not likely that they could sustain a charge of murder since bear spray is not intended to (nor does it usually) cause death or serious injury.

    OTOH, in an alternate Leftist universe, FORMER President Donald Trump will stand trial for Sicknick’s murder and will be convicted and executed as he well deserves. There is no death penalty in DC but just for Trump they will bring back public execution. The Left’s long held dream (see Kathy Griffin) will become a reality.

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-riot-2650526351/

  82. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Causation is a tricky thing legally. Let’s concede that he would not have died that day, but that evening he went home and watched a Washington Capitals game on TV and that the excitement of seeing Ochevkin score a hat trick triggered an aneurysm (apparently Sicknick had some underlying medical condition that had him poised on the brink and he only need one little (metaphorical, not literal) shove). Should we put Ochevkin on trial for Sicknick’s murder?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  83. FPD72 says:
    @unit472

    An incident involving Washington Post columnist Carl T. Rowan is illustrative. Rowan, a negro, shot a white teenager, who was swimming in his pool. He was not charged either.

    Actually, Rowan was charged. His trial ended with a hung jury; the judge declared a mistrial and Rowan was never tried again. He was an advocate for draconian gun control laws and a first class hypocrite.

  84. rashomoan says:

    Sounds like a case of friendly fire (extinguisher) to me…

  85. @JimDandy

    Great. We agree that facing danger is a cop’s job. That said, an urban cop expects to face thugs. A capitol cop doesn’t expect to face a mob of thousands. Glad to see you have so much sympathy for Trump supporter Brian Sicknick.

    And while I’m on the subject: Ashli Babbit was a chump, and anyone who supports her stunt is worse than a chump.

    • Troll: Muggles
  86. @wren

    If true – shocking that someone who saw a political nihilist open fire at a group of elected senators might have thought the political nihilist Babbitt smashing her way into a locked office might have intended to do elected legislators harm.

    who among these outraged patriots were outraged when the Feds incinerated men, women and children on live TV to great acclaim? Its not surprising they are keeping the federal agent who killed her, after fighting to keep the murderers of Weaver family members and the Branch dividing secret as well .

    I’m not surprised at all to see this. Also, you all are oblivious to similar criticisms to feds and other LEOS who dispensed well deserved, rough street justice to the racist fanatics burning down downtowns all summer.

    The capitol rioters for the most part deserve pardons, but I’m no so sure any of us wouldn’t have blasted the first person through the breach at the capitol that day, were we the ones inside defending it.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  87. Jack D says:
    @Colin Wright

    Bumper stickers are kind of declasse but there were TONS of Biden yard signs in my upscale suburban area and hardly any Trump signs. Along with a good smattering of “Black Lives Matters” signs which is sort of hilarious because the whole point of living in my upscale suburban area is to get away from the actual blacks in Philadelphia. OTOH, an hour west of here in Lancaster County I saw mostly Trump signs. There is a big rural/ urban-suburban divide in America now so if you live in one or the other you might get the wrong idea.

    Your remark reminds me of the late New Yorker movie critic Pauline Kael who once remarked (in all seriousness) that she couldn’t understand how it was possible that Nixon had been elected President since no one that she knew supported him.

  88. Neuday says:
    @Alden

    David Bailey an affirmative action black Brazilian immigrant murdered Ashli Babbitt.

    You’re confused; the guy who murdered the nice White woman was an affirmative action black Somali immigrant. What was Ashli doing in her pajamas at the Capitol Mall?

  89. ic1000 says:
    @Jack D

    > there were TONS of Biden yard signs in my upscale suburban area and hardly any Trump signs. Along with a good smattering of “Black Lives Matters” signs which is sort of hilarious

    Yep. Same here, in close-in suburb of Rust Belt City. Except TONS of the dopey “Water Is Love” etc. BLM signs, sorta hilarious as you describe. The scenery is very different within a couple dozen miles.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  90. @Calvin Hobbes

    “The NYT is becoming increasingly bipartisan.
    More and more evil, more and more stupid”

    Not to mention increasingly marginalized in the scheme of things. Does anyone really give a rat’s patootee what the Gray Hag has to say about anything anymore? One can read the same drivel on Vox or Slate. The days of Scottie Reston, Tom Wicker, Tad Szluc etal are long gone. The Hag was always on the left but only on the editorial side and then it was primarily of the New Deal variety. Notwithstanding the likes of Walter Duranty, the reportage was always first-rate. Now it’s run by representatives of what iSteve would call The Coalition of The Fringes and is in essence nothing more than a mouthpiece for one party.

  91. anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    And while I’m on the subject: Ashli Babbit was a chump, and anyone who supports her stunt is worse than a chump.

    She’s still dead and we still don’t know who killed her or why.

  92. @Jonathan Mason

    A-fib is not remotely like cardiac arrest, but if he had A-fib, he likely would have known about it and been treated for it (gov’t health insurance!). However, it’s possible he didn’t know, and so he could have thrown a clot any time. There are other conditions that predispose clotting too. It is very possible that his death is a coincidence. However, it’s possible a clot was caused by something related to the protest too.

    However, I’m not even sure he had a clot. Let’s wait for the ME’s report!!

  93. @Jack D

    Was Ochevkin doing something illegal at Sicknick’s place of work?

  94. @Jonathan Mason

    You’re completely wrong.

    1- It was a lawful and properly policed demonstration. There are (or used to be) many demonstrations in DC, and they don’t just turn into chaos. The riot this became was not because there was a crowd but because there was a decision (possibly pre-planned) by some small cadres to start violence.

    2- Trump’s moral responsibility is really not known and basically unknowable. You are suffering TDS if you say otherwise.

    3- Trump’s comments don’t even come close to meeting legal standards of criminal incitement.

    4- McConnell, like the Democrats, is playing a political game. The impeachment was not a real effort but political theater to drum up support for the measures to isolate and marginalize populists and conservatives. That’s what McConnell wants to. The technicality of impeaching post-office is BS because of the legal tradition supporting it. The GOPe is afraid of the base.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  95. @BlackishRedpill

    If deadly force was called for in that situation, then why weren’t the 4 or 5 riot police standing directly behind her doing anything?

  96. @JimDandy

    No, not at all, Jim. I should have said “at the cops”. I could not tell who was who of course, as they had their helmets, their vests, and their shields. I was assuming this is the incident that the Lyin’ Press refers to, unless there was some other incident with a fire extinguisher. (As we can see, the Capitol Gang didn’t come armed, as a fat firex like that one is not a weapon of choice.)

    Stuff’s going to get thrown around in a riot, by definition, as I wrote. The cops were well prepared. Nobody was BATTERED by a fire extinguisher. That is just a lie.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @JimDandy
  97. @Steve Sailer

    Just in total, that’s a couple of dozen a month. Of all the city police, sheriffs and deputies, and State law enforcement agencies around, 2 Capitol police suicides is a hell of a coincidence. I suspect there were suicides in the Clintonian sense of the word.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  98. @Cortes

    What you said doesn’t contradict what I said. If everyone had an assigned seat no one would have died that day.

  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    Battery is legal term.

    if somebody was battered it does not mean that they were dipped in a solution of milk, egg and flour, and then immersed in boiling oil.

    It means that they were struck. If they were struck by a fire extinguisher that was thrown by somebody else, that would be battery.

    Too many of you guys are under the impression that the invasion of the capital was just a kind of student prank done by jolly Trump supporters on a day trip to Washington.

    It wasn’t. It was an attempted coup d’etat orchestrated by a man whose job description includes an duty to defend the Constitution of the United States.

    The Constitution of the United States includes a tripartite system of government in which laws are made by the executive branch, the Congress, and the Supreme Court, which are regarded as separate and equal branches of government.

    So, for example, the Congress does not have the right to send a mob to invade the offices of the executive branch, or the Supreme Court, even if it would like to.

    Obama may not have been a very good president, but he had taught constitutional law, and he knew that he could not send a mob to invade and intimidate Congress when Congress did not support him.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  100. @Art Deco

    all the Sicknicks in America are descendants of one Danish family who settled in Middlesex County, NJ in the early 20th century. As late as 1940, they were all living in that county.

    As was this Sicknick, who grew up in South River, the same Middlesex County town that produced Joe Theismann. While Theismann was the football star at the local high school, Brian Sicknick went to the county vo-tech school, i.e. he was a loser. He then graduated from the University of Phoenix, i.e. still a loser. He also worked as a school custodian because he couldn’t get a job as a cop, i.e. loser again.

  101. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Atrial fibrillation–cardiac arrest–same thing for all practical purposes, which can cause formation of blood clots in the brain due to stagnation of blood flow.

    No they are not. Atrial fibriliation is a heart defect which emerges with age. It can cause problems such as traveling blood clots. That’s not cardiac arrest. My brother has it and has had procedures. He’s not had a heart attack of any kind.

    Do you really truly honestly think that this guy would have died at his place of work on that very day if there have been no political demonstration or invasion of the capitol? This is just wishful thinking on your part.

    Let’s see the autopsy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  102. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    And that is why Donald Trump is totally guilty of inciting this ride and causing this problem guilty of inciting this riot, a political demonstration that was not properly policed, and he should now be put on trial for his life on charges of causing death by inciting a riot.

    You need to repair to Ann Althouse’s analysis of the speech.

  103. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Her stunt was standing there in front of a broken window when a Capitol police officer decided to fire into the crowd.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  104. ic1000 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Too many of you guys are under the impression that the invasion of the capital was just a kind of student prank done by jolly Trump supporters on a day trip to Washington.

    Too many of us are under the impression that the vandalism and damage caused by the chaotic invasion of the capital by unarmed, unmasked activists was no more serious than were the wide swathes of injury, death, and property destruction that were cut into dozens of American cities — as planned and organized by BLM and black-clad umbrella-shielded Antifa activists. Establishment-sponsored catch-and-release for the one and throw-away-the-key for the other impresses too many of us as Anarcho-Tyranny.

    It wasn’t. It was an attempted coup d’etat orchestrated by a man whose job description includes an duty to defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Who were the plotters in the Capitol that day? The only activist I can name is the late Ashli Babbitt, which makes her the kingpin, I guess. Anyway, how was this golpe supposed to work, exactly? Force a crayon into the hands of Pence and McConnell and Pelosi and AOC, make them each write, “I RESINE”? Name the institutions that would have gone along with the God-Emperor’s coup. His cabinet? The House, Supreme Court? The FBI, the Army? The Chamber of Commerce, Fortune 1000 executives, TV networks, newspapers, union leaders, university faculty?

    You can’t name even one.

    Some coup.

    [Edit: I would have voted to censure Trump for dereliction of duty, assuming Rep. Herrera Beutler’s account is correct. But the extent of my Trump-idolatry is irrelevant to your points.]

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  105. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It was an attempted coup d’etat

    If this was an attempt coup (it wasn’t) it wasn’t a very good attempt. Donald Trump has a lot of shortcomings as a leader (and in other respects according to Stormy Daniels) but in the past he has overseen large scale projects such as the building of skyscrapers and casinos. In more recent time he (or his underlings) have organized political rallies attended by multitudes.

    I would like to think that if Donald Trump had intended to orchestrate a coup he would have organized it a little bit better than the clown show that we saw (which achieved what little success it had only as a result of the even bigger clown show known as the Capitol Police). If this was really the best coup attempt that Donald Trump was capable of organizing he deserved to be impeached, but for incompetence. But I don’t think it was an attempted coup at all.

    As Trump’s defense pointed out, Democrats say things like “get out there and fight” a million times a day and no one thinks that means that they are advocating the overthrow of the USG. The media has no problem understanding nuance and metaphor coming from Democrats but suddenly when Trump says something his words have to be taken completely literally. When he joked that the Russians should hack Hillary’s computer so we could find out what was in her emails, he was clearly doing just that – joking (and making a point that Hillary had not been forthcoming on her own). But the media insisted that he was literally inviting the Russians to hack Hillary’s server.

    • Agree: ic1000, Old Prude
  106. @Wilkey

    Ashli’s murderer is an Afro-Brazilian affirmative action BLM sympathizer on the Capitol PoPo Forca.

    He will never be held accountable by the feds.

  107. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    A Capitol cop doesn’t expect to see large protest crowds? He was on vacation during the Kavanaugh saga and somehow missed the BLM assault on the White House? I wouldn’t be surprised if “Managing large, sometimes angry crowds” is written right into the job description. You act like being a Capitol cop is akin to being one of those senior citizens they hire as ushers at baseball games. Their job is to help protect America’s leaders–sometimes even from black thugs.

    As for my level of sympathy for Sicknick, I’m sorry that he died. I’m sorry every time I hear about a still relatively young person dying of a stroke or a heart attack, or anything for that matter. But the fact that there was a protest before he died does not prove–or even indicate–that a protester murdered him. That appears to be a false narrative, and the shadiness surrounding his death should be condemned. Glad to see you are respecting Sicknick’s family’s wishes that his death not be politicized.

    As for Babbit being a chump, I can see how you feel that way. I’m not sure being a chump and an unarmed trespasser was enough to justify her summary execution at the hands of the black Brazilian Trump-hater who saw fit to shoot her through the throat at point blank range. Maybe the killing was justified, I don’t know, but the investigation of her death should have been done with more transparency.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  108. OT But while Washington is putzing around, Texas may become Biden’s first Katrina — millions without power as temps plummet, kilowatt costs soar, “rolling blackouts” get longer. Doesn’t exactly fit the Green Agenda. Anyone down there?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  109. JimDandy says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, the tossed fire extinguisher was getting a lot of attention in the media when Sicknick’s death was reported, so, “What the hell, let’s just mold those two things into a cause-and-effect narrative. If anyone questions it, we’ll call ’em Q-worshipping conspiracy theorists.”

    And from there it took on a life of it’s own. “Those Trump insurrectionists bashed an officer’s head in with a fire extinguisher? Like, omigawd. MURDERERS!!!”

    I’m reminded of when some black charlatan journalist revealed what Dylan Roof’s motive was: he lost his girlfriend to a black guy, and was hellbent on revenge against all blacks. Makes sense, right? It was a totally made up story, but only a heartless racist would question it. This story was, eventually, exposed as fraud, and the disgraced black “journalist” went on to impact the world in other ways, such as making anonymous threats to American synagogues. It was part of some cockamamie plot to get revenge on a white ex-girlfriend who rejected him. (I don’t know if he was particularly enraged that she left him for a white guy, but let’s just go ahead and say he was.) The funny thing is, when angry journalists demanded to know what Trump was going to do about a sharp rise in threats against synagogues, Trump said that a lot of those kinds of things turn out to be false flags. He was skewered by the MSM as a raging anti-semite holocaust denier for that one, but it later turned out he was right–and a lot of those “threats” were actually coming from a Jew in Israel who was intent on creating the illusion that anti-semitism in America was skyrocketing.

  110. @Jonathan Mason

    “student prank done by jolly Trump supporters on a day trip to Washington.” Bluto Blutarski and Delta House would have done a better job of couping after a heavy night of drinking than what was accomplished on Jan 6. Coup d’etat, I dunno. Is that what happened in Burma?

  111. @Jonathan Mason

    And that is why Donald Trump is totally guilty of inciting this ride and causing this problem guilty of inciting this riot, a political demonstration that was not properly policed, and he should now be put on trial for his life on charges of causing death by inciting a riot.

    And on cue … more Mason porridge pablum.

    Next up: Mason explains to us dumb American hicks how Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  112. Sicknik and Babbbat are agent provocateurs. They never died, they were actors is a staged play at the Capitol.
    Years ago, I would have never believed in conspiracies like this. Now it looks so obvious, that you complain about the low quality of the acting and stage setting.
    If you do not believe in conspiracies, remember Alex Baldwin played an hispanic woman for nine year before she was discovered. That would have been harder to stage than a fake riot in the Capitol.
    PS. They have to get better names.

  113. @Art Deco

    Let’s see the autopsy.

    Who would do the autopsy for a death at the Capitol? The District’s coroner, or does Congress have its own?

  114. Anon87 says:
    @danand

    Cumia continues to be swirling at the center of modern politics. From the dominos that fell due to the Anthony Weiner dick pics, to the origins of the Proud Boys, now connected to a false NYT Jan 6 story. He has to feel bemused by it all.

  115. Anon87 says:
    @Art Deco

    What’s odd to me is the family initially came out and shared he was a Trump supporter, and to please leave them alone and not politicize his death. Next thing you know he is lying in state and our elected ghouls are shedding crocodile tears over him. Did the family object to such a disgusting display??

  116. @JimDandy

    it is a ridiculous stretch to say that he was murdered

    I wouldn’t sweat it – the fact-checkers will be all over it, so that history conforms to the Narrative.

    The final True Official History (No-Returns Infinity) will show that the guy was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher by a guy wearing a MAGA hat, and anyone who questions that will be unpersoned. As Eli Weisel famously wrote

    Some events do take place but are not true; others are—although they never occurred.

    Folks keep trying to frame responses to the Narrative as if it is amenable to epistemic analysis/argument/rebuttal, but it’s not: like all bullshit, its truth content is entirely irrelevant to its actual objective.

    It’s true that pointing out the epistemic holes can be an aid to others of like mind – but those are rare, and might convert people at the margin. However it’s not going to change the zeitgeist: most people are breathtakingly stupid, and I no longer give a shit if they get ass-raped by ‘the System’ so long as I can keep myself out of the blast radius.

    Die gedanken sind Frei – at least, until the point at which the medical fraternity mandates that the urban drinking water supply be further contaminated for our own good. (I’m on rainwater, so I’ll be OK).

    There has been a movement advocating for putting lithium in the water supply for decades: it has recently reared ts head again, after their marketing boffins hit upon suicide prevention as the rationale for ensuring that everyone gets a dose of tranq (the same way they used ‘cavity prevention in children‘ as their fake justification for fluoride – an endocrine disruptor).

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  117. @Art Deco

    Obviously you and I saw two different videos. She was in the midst of entering the hallway through the broken window in the door, broken by her fellow rioters. Ashli was a screwed up gal whose life came to a bad end because she believed in a load of manure. She wasn’t a poor sick kid like the Hmong girl or shoved onto a subway track. She chose her fate.

    You’ll probably reject this because it’s from WaPo but they aren’t always useless.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/

    Babbitt and others were attempting to breach a barricaded door inside the Capitol building on Wednesday afternoon, angrily demanding that three U.S. Capitol Police officers who were guarding the door step aside, one of the clips shows. The officers moved away as colleagues in tactical gear arrived behind the rioters, according to the clip and other video posted online.

    Roughly 35 seconds after the officers moved away, as she climbed up toward a broken section of the unguarded door, Babbitt was shot by an officer on the other side.

    It’s disappointing to see you in the company of the fruitcakes here. I thought you had better judgement.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  118. Peterike says:
    @wren

    “ I am still not clear why DC is occupied by thousands of national guard troops and razor wire.”

    To show you who’s in charge and who matters. In both cases, it’s “not you.”

  119. Hibernian says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Too many of you guys are under the impression that the invasion of the capital was just a kind of student prank done by jolly Trump supporters on a day trip to Washington.

    It wasn’t. It was an attempted coup d’etat orchestrated by a man whose job description includes an duty to defend the Constitution of the United States.

    It was neither of these two things. It was a riot.

  120. @Redneck farmer

    “… death … useful …”

    Life is a ritual wrapped in an enigma and baked into a pretzel. Some goon told me 9/11 allowed the grand enchantment to enter the world after the twin towers, Boaz and Jachin, were knocked down. I punched him in the face. An hour later I came back, helped him to his feet, said sorry dude and bought him a pretzel.

  121. @Jack D

    “New Yorker movie critic Pauline Kael”

    Pauline Kael used the word “swill” twice in 1974 to describe two of the most entertaining movies in Hollywood history: Earthquake and Airport 75. In both films Chuck Heston and George Kennedy team up to save the people from their folly. That’s what I call white. Pauline Kael was a deeply unhappy woman. Probably could’ve used a bowl of bran flakes.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  122. @JimDandy

    I doubt the Capitol cops were in charge of defending the White House when it was attacked. The Capitol cops strike me as being a half-step up from Paul Blart, Mall Cop. Without doubt the White House was defended by better than that during the BLM riots.

    But I’m glad you brought it up, because it gives me an opportunity to point out that you have me mistaken for someone else, as well as having a great talent for mixing metaphors and circumstances.

    I think that whoever assaulted the White House deserved summary execution, screw the optics. The 82nd Airborne should have been operationalized pursuant to the President invoking the Insurrection Act. (per Detroit 1968, look it up.)

    Perhaps he should have done the same with Ashli’s mob.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @anon
  123. @AnotherDad

    Never forget that Jonathan Mason is a half-Muslim who cut his teeth at iSteve by defending the Paki groomers in Rotherham on the grounds that, heck, young English girls are like that…

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @JMcG
  124. JMcG says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I suspect an Englishman of his generation hasn’t many teeth to cut.

  125. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Weak sauce, bro. You’re all over the place now. I guess you’re embarrassed, so you talk a lot of smack in an attempt to distract from how thoroughly you’re getting beat down in this debate. But you’re not fooling anyone. Focus: The media had no business stating as fact that Sicknick was murdered by a Trump supporter who bashed his head in with a fire extinguisher. Period.

    And I don’t have circumstances mixed up–there were attacks on the Capitol and The White House in 2020, so it was certainly not unthinkable that another crowd of angry protesters would should up at the Capitol on Jan. 6–considering, you know, that was the date that a group of angry protesters had promised to show up at the Capitol. Sicknick’s job was to defend a building where America’s top leaders meet. If he died the next day because he was a sick man and all the excitement was too much for his body to handle, that’s tragic, but it’s not murder. And I’m absolutely certain of the fact that, for some unfathomable reason, as you say, “the White House was defended by better than that during the BLM riots” but that’s not germane to this particular conversation.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  126. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    duplicate post

    Somebody already said that.

  127. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I doubt the Capitol cops were in charge of defending the White House when it was attacked.

    Duh, what is the Secret Service, how long has it been around? Are you sure you want to smear the totally peaceful protestors of Antifa with the word “attack”?

    The Capitol cops strike me as being a half-step up from Paul Blart, Mall Cop.

    I know a guy who was on the Capitol police force. He was totally bored and moved to a different agency as a result. Draw conclusions as you wish.

    Without doubt the White House was defended by better than that during the BLM riots.

    Without a doubt the totally peaceful protestors who set fire to a church in pursuit of the Bad Orange Man were a lot more serious about their totally peacefulness.

    I think that whoever assaulted the White House deserved summary execution, screw the optics.

    Ok, Boomer!

    Now justify the murder of Ashli again. Be sure to include references to the Capitol Police lethal force policy, m’kay?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  128. @Known Fact

    OT But while Washington is putzing around, Texas may become Biden’s first Katrina — millions without power as temps plummet, kilowatt costs soar, “rolling blackouts” get longer. Doesn’t exactly fit the Green Agenda. Anyone down there?

    Texas has her own separate power grid. Hard to blame Biden for any failures there.

    1,000 miles to the NNE, we were awoken early Sunday morning by a power surge through our village, which set off our building’s alarms, and had to evacuate into a breezy -15°F for half an hour. It didn’t occur to me to blame Sleepy Joe.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  129. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Obviously you and I saw two different videos. She was in the midst of entering the hallway

    She wasn’t.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  130. @Reg Cæsar

    Their own grid but with increasing reliance on green energy sources that don’t work in a polar vortex — and since No-Coal Joe is going green big-time I’m OK with blaming him in advance! But seriously, cold is a killer and this Texas disaster has not gotten the drumbeat of advance publicity your typical hurricane can expect

  131. @SunBakedSuburb

    In both films Chuck Heston and George Kennedy team up to save the people from their folly.

    I find it interesting that Heston and Ronald Reagan were both president of SAG and ended up conservative icons.

    Also, Kennedy was so protective of his role in the four Airport movies that he refused to appear in Airplane! Realizing his career as a serious actor was over anyway, he didn’t make the same mistake twice, appearing in The Naked Gun eight years later.

  132. @Intensifier

    Romp around the US Congress for an hour or so injuring or attacking exactly zero congress vermin: OH MY GAWD…the great unwashed actually in the same building as us.

    I still find this hard to believe, but in the days after January 6 I saw several of my FB friends who are teachers circulating links to articles aimed at training ‘educators’ to help their students ‘process’ this ‘violent insurrection and assault on democracy’. The main recommendation was to compare this event to — I kid you not — 9/11.

  133. The main recommendation was to compare this event to — I kid you not — 9/11.

    He’s literally Osama bin Laden!

  134. @Steve Sailer

    Back in the early 1990s, not long after I arrived here, over 20 people were crushed to death in a stampede in Lan Kwai Fong, Hong Kong’s bars-n-partying district.

    It was on New Year’s Eve, just as the new year rang in. There were too many people crammed into a couple of narrow, steep streets. Somebody started pushing and shoving, and it spread fast.

    Big crowds scare me, even though I’m very tall and can see over them. Or maybe that’s why they scare me.

  135. @JimDandy

    When the White House was attacked in 2020, were the Capitol police defending it?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  136. @anon

    Duh, what is the Secret Service, how long has it been around? Are you sure you want to smear the totally peaceful protestors of Antifa with the word “attack”?

    When the WH was attacked in 2020, were the Secret Service defending it?

    Do you think that the Secret Service is on the same level as the Capitol Police?

    Ok, Boomer!

    How original.

    • Replies: @anon
  137. @Art Deco

    Explain. She was in the midst of going through that window, helped by her friends. Where else would she have landed? This is a serious question – I’m willing to be dissuaded. I’m asking because you appear to be marginally more lucid than Jim Dandy or “anon.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art Deco
  138. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    @anon

    Duh, what is the Secret Service, how long has it been around? Are you sure you want to smear the totally peaceful protestors of Antifa with the word “attack”?

    When the WH was attacked in 2020, were the Secret Service defending it?

    Yes. Obviously.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/60-secret-service-officers-injured-while-protecting-white-house/

    Do you think that the Secret Service is on the same level as the Capitol Police?

    No. Obviously.

    Ok, Boomer!

    How original.

    That shoe may pinch you, but it fits, obviously.

    Just for a change, you produce some facts. Start with a little discourse on lethal force.
    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbitt..

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  139. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘…a political demonstration that was not properly policed…’

    Observe what you have been reduced to calling for.

    Only political demonstrations that are properly policed.

    I believe all states have encouraged those.

  140. @ic1000

    ‘…Yep. Same here, in close-in suburb of Rust Belt City. Except TONS of the dopey “Water Is Love” etc. BLM signs, sorta hilarious as you describe. The scenery is very different within a couple dozen miles.’

    What’s exasperating about it is that it’s all not in aid of some coherent, intelligently adopted set of politics. If it was, I might disagree, but it’d be intellectually and morally respectable.

    Instead, it’s all just hypocritical virtue-signalling, conformism, and assertions of moral superiority over the deplorables. As an ideology, it’s utterly wretched.

  141. @Jack D

    Not that I’m doubting you, but there wasn’t much of that out here — even in such blue redoubts as Eugene. In fact, although we must have gone up to Eugene a dozen times for one reason or another in the second half of 2020, I saw only one ‘Biden’ yard sign and no Biden bumper stickers at all in that town.

  142. JimDandy says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The point, PB, is that after the attacks on the White House and the Capitol in 2020–and the highly publicized plans of the “Stop the Steal” protesters to demonstrate on Jan. 6–it should not have been any great shock to Capitol police that an angry crowd showed up there. Dealing with such situations is literally in their job description:

    USCP Officers perform a full range of rewarding police duties and responsibilities that include:

    Policing the U.S. Capitol Complex to protect Members of Congress, visitors, and staff from crime and threats of disruption and terrorism; preserving law and order; serving as a deterrent to violations of laws, rules, and regulations;
    Enforcing federal and District of Columbia laws and regulations;
    Performing protective services, securing federally-owned buildings and property, and protecting government equipment and materials;

    https://www.uscp.gov/becoming-uscp-police-officer#:~:text=Performing%20protective%20services%2C%20securing%20federally,reports%20and%20testifying%20in%20court.

    The MSM and the Dems are taking the stance that if a Capitol cop died the day after the conflict, the specific details of that person’s death don’t matter–it was murder, and anyone who questioned the results of the election has that person’s blood on their hands.

  143. @anon

    When the WH was attacked in 2020, were the Secret Service defending it?

    So sorry, I should have known that a stupid Millennial can’t supply the context – do you think that only the Secret Service were defending it? No. It was defended by professional forces, not mall cops, which accounted for their discipline.

    Just for a change, you produce some facts. Start with a little discourse on lethal force.
    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbitt..

    I’ve already done it with Art Deco and it won’t make a difference but here goes, I guess I like hopeless causes. She was trespassing, with a mob, on government property. She was being hoisted through a window, in the company of the mob, which was hell-bent on destruction. The cop shot her. She died. He didn’t murder her any more than Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd, or Sheskey meant to paralyze Jacob Blake. Shit happens when you do illegal stuff.

    Now go back to fapping.

    • Replies: @anon
  144. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Explain. She was in the midst of going through that window, helped by her friends.

    Explain. How were her actions any kind of threat, justifying lethal force?

    (We’ll leave aside for now the fact that one of the men present is a known BLM / Antifa activist, but it is relevant.)

    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbit, if you can do so.

    If you can’t, then you should just stop displaying your ignorance.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  145. anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    So sorry, I should have known that a stupid Millennial can’t supply the context – do you think that only the Secret Service were defending it?

    Lol, moving your goalposts so soon? You’re the one who was confused, not me. Have you figured out the difference between the Capitol police, the DC police and the Secret Service yet? I’ll help you. The Capitol police are in charge of the Capitol, where the Congress meets. That’s a different building from the White House, so the Capitol police have a different job than the Secret Service.

    The primary job of the Secret Service is protection of the President; the President’s residence is the White House; when the White House was attacked by Antifa their job was…what? Did you bother to read the article from Law Enforcement Today that mentions 60 Secret Service officers were injured?

    No. It was defended by professional forces, not mall cops, which accounted for their discipline.

    Name the professional forces. List them off. Produce a verifiable fact for once.

    I asked:
    Just for a change, you produce some facts. Start with a little discourse on lethal force.
    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbitt..

    I’ve already done it with Art Deco and it won’t make a difference but here goes, I guess I like hopeless causes. She was trespassing, with a mob, on government property.

    Fail. Your handwaving is weak sauce.

    Dude, that was part of the Capitol complex, not a Peacekeeper missile silo. Either provide a source for your imaginary shoot-to-kill order, or admit you don’t know what you are on about.

    She was being hoisted through a window, in the company of the mob, which was hell-bent on destruction.

    Not a threat of grave bodily harm or death, therefore no justification of lethal force per se. Go review the video and notice the SWAT guys in the background – they didn’t open fire, only the one probable Capitol cop did so. What did the SWAT guys know that the shooter didn’t know?

    The cop shot her. She died.

    An unjustified shooting, possibly a homicide, that should be properly investigated via the legal system, not covered up.

    He didn’t murder her any more than Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd, Sheskey meant to paralyze Jacob Blake. Shit happens when you do illegal stuff.

    One of these things is not like the other. Just for a start, George Floyd was not shot. Babbit was. Unlike Blake, there were no warrants out on Babbit. She was unarmed – unlike Blake – plus she was no threat to any person – unlike Blake. You really don’ t know anything about the legal aspects of lethal force, and logically you should just stop now.

    The Capitol shooting is being covered up, rather than investigated properly. In any event, trespass is not in and of itself justifiable cause for lethal force.

    You are deeply ignorant and apparently very proud of your ignorance. The best course for you is to just stop commenting on things you know utterly nothing about.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  146. MarkinLA says:
    @Art Deco

    Even if he knew he had A-fib at age 42 they may not have done anything to treat him and the clot was an aberration compared to the normal case. Cardiologists use a point scale to determine whether to apply anti-coagulation therapy. You get one point for being 65 years of age or older. Other issues are things like high blood pressure and whether you are symptomatic (short of breath…) or not. At 42 years of age and no obvious other co-morbidities he may not have been on blood thinners or just taking a baby aspirin for minimal anti-coagulation benefit.

    He was just one of the unlucky few who was outside the normal standards.

  147. @anon

    The cop didn’t shoot to kill Ashli. He shot at a target – a woman coming through a broken window. She died. Like George Floyd died. Chauvin didn’t mean to kill him.

    Your pathetic insults don’t bother me and they don’t hurt me, although you mean for them to. You continually repeat the same thing and hurl invectives. You are obviously very young & not terribly smart. When I scan your comment I see two things: troll, or maniac. I really seem to take up a lot of real estate in your fevered little mind.

    Looking forward to your response, “anon.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art Deco
  148. @anon

    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbit, if you can do so.

    I enjoy that you use words above your pay grade, plagiarized from another alt-right website.

    She was trespassing on government property, in the company of a mob intent on disrupting the certification of a presidential election. She had no more right to be there than Jacob Blake had to resist arrest.

    Ashli Babbitt’s entire life was chasing after one rainbow after another. It’s weird to see someone on an alt-right site defending a polyamorous chick who loved Obama because he “fucked shit up.”

    Kids these days.

    • Replies: @anon
  149. @Paperback Writer

    Ashli Babbit was a chump, and anyone who supports her stunt is worse than a chump.

    Name-calling is not a form of argument. Work on improving your commenting skills. Currently you’re about a C Minus.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  150. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    She was in the midst of going through that window,

    She was standing in front of the broken window. No clue which talking point mill you’ve been consulting.

  151. Art Deco says:
    @anon

    He didn’t murder her any more than Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd, S

    The level of fentanyl in George Floyd’s femoral blood was 11 nanograms per cc. His neck muscles and trachea were uninjured. All of that’s in the autopsy report. The femoral blood level is a middling value for an overdose death. He was having trouble breathing in the squad car and lying on the ground, because his lungs were filling up with fluid, which is what happens in opioid overdoses. The police had called an ambulance and were waiting for it to arrive when he expired. Derek Chauvin is a political prisoner.

  152. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The cop didn’t shoot to kill Ashli.

    You do not know what the cop intended, partly because there is no credible investigation.
    Discharging a firearm in that manner is lethal force. Once again you display ignorance of the most basic US law regarding the use of lethal force.

    He shot at a target – a woman coming through a broken window.

    You do not know what he did, because there is no credible investigation.

    She died. Like George Floyd died. Chauvin didn’t mean to kill him.

    George Floyd was not shot. Your feeble attempts to change the subject are weak sauce.

    Your inability to articulate a justification for the use of lethal force against Ashli Babbit merely further illuminates your ignorance of the topic. You should just declare victory and slink away.

  153. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The question for Paperback writer:
    Articulate the legal justification for the killing of Ashli Babbit, if you can do so.

    I enjoy that you use words above your pay grade, plagiarized from another alt-right website.

    Lol @ your weak sauce. If you do not recognize the terminology commonly used by certain professionals, that once again demonstrates your ignorance.

    She was trespassing on government property, in the company of a mob intent on disrupting the certification of a presidential election.

    Fail. Your opinion is not an articulation of a legal justification for lethal force. As previously noted, the Capitol complex is not a shoot-to-kill zone unlike some ICBM missile silo during the Cold War.

    She had no more right to be there than Jacob Blake had to resist arrest.

    Non sequitur. Fail.

    Ashli Babbitt’s entire life was chasing after one rainbow after another. It’s weird to see someone on an alt-right site defending a polyamorous chick who loved Obama because he “fucked shit up.”

    Non sequitur. Fail.

    Once again you fail to articulate a legal justification for the use of lethal force against Ashli Babbit. Once again you display your utter ignorance of even the most elementary facts.

    The shooting of Ashli Babbit is being covered up in part due to ignorant people like you.

  154. Art Deco says:
    @Paperback Writer

    The cop didn’t shoot to kill Ashli. He shot at a target

    No, he shot into a scrum of people.

  155. You have zero evidence for this claim.

    That’s not what I’ve gathered from either the (admittedly chaotic & difficult to understand) videos, or the news accounts. Ashli was being hoisted through the window. The window was broken by the mob. There would be no reason (not that mobs are characterized by reason) to break the window unless one had intended to gain access.

    Ashli died of her own thrill-seeking behavior, which characterized her life in general. My sympathies here are entirely with the cop, as they are with Jacob Blake and George Floyd. I don’t always back the blue, but in these cases, I do.

    • Replies: @anon
  156. @William Badwhite

    I wasn’t calling anyone here a name — I got called plenty, but I refrained (mostly) from responding in kind until the millennial punk asked for it because he brought up my age as if it were incriminating and proved anything about my character.

    I called Ashli Babbitt a chump, and I’ll call her that again. And I’ll call anyone who supports or excuses her POS behavior a troll, a plant, or an enabler. Or a chump himself.

    The extent to which some people here will go to defending the Capitol mob, Babbitt’s unbelievable stupidity, and the 180 they turned when it came to use of police force is fucking breathtaking. You and the rest have completely destroyed any grounds to criticize BLM thuggery. You’re part of the same crowd. You’re a thug.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  157. @Paperback Writer

    I wasn’t calling anyone here a name

    You added a qualifier (“anyone here”) that I didn’t.

    the millennial punk

    More name calling. Weak.

    You and the rest have completely destroyed any grounds to criticize BLM thuggery. You’re part of the same crowd.

    I didn’t write anything about the riot or the participants. I was commenting on your poor argumentation skills. Calm down and stay focused.

    You’re a thug.

    More name-calling. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy, and according to the rules of logic, a logical fallacy can be countered with another. So allow me to assert that you are an angry, bitter, decrepit boomer twit. With a stupid handle.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  158. anon[618] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paperback Writer

    Ashli was being hoisted through the window. The window was broken by the mob. There would be no reason (not that mobs are characterized by reason) to break the window unless one had intended to gain access.

    So? None of that arises to the level of justification for lethal force.

    You have not articulated any justification for the killing of Ashli Babbit, because you are ignorant, or perhaps shilling for some reason. You don’t appear to be capable of learning, but others may benefit from some simple information about the use of force continuum.

    The use of force continuum is standard within all US police forces. Including the Capitol police. It was not used in this case, and if there were a real investigation the man who shot would be put under oath before a grand jury then questioned in detail. Specifically he would be required to articulate exactly what he did and his reasoning for skipping the entire force continuum ladder.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Use_of_force_continuum

    The person who shot Ashli Babbit had no justification for use of lethal force. The killing is being covered up, helped by ignorant, foolish people like you.

  159. @William Badwhite

    Not only is Ashli a chump, she’s a dead chump.

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