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From Reuters:

Britain may offer ‘path to citizenship’ for nearly 3 million in Hong Kong
MAY 29, 2020 / 1:04 PM / UPDATED 13 HOURS AGO

LONDON (Reuters) – Britain is prepared to offer extended visa rights and a pathway to citizenship for almost 3 million Hong Kong residents in response to China’s push to impose national security legislation in the former British colony.

Foreign minister Dominic Raab said on Thursday that if Beijing went ahead, Britain would extend the rights of 350,000 ‘British National Overseas’ passport holders.

On Friday the interior ministry said that this policy would apply to all BNOs currently in Hong Kong – a much larger group of around 2.9 million people according to British government figures.

Sure, the quality would be higher than Frau Merkel’s Million Marching Muslim Men Mob in 2015, but 2.9 million?

Meanwhile, the Wall Street “There shall be open borders” Journal is trying to horn in on the action by demanding that Trump admit Hong Kongers (during a colossal depression with 10s of millions of Americans suddenly unemployed).

 
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  1. Goodbye conservative party. Hello Chinese labor party. Democracy was a mistake.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
    @anon

    The problem with Democracy as practiced in the West these days is that Democracy has been domesticated by Plutocracy, the government by the people who control large amounts of mobile capital. As far as they are concerned acquisition of productive labour is a benefit, and complaints about the labourers ethnicity symptom of an outdated mind. Real Democracy would require restore the Supremacy of the polítical power over the economic power and only then could we have governments concerned with the interests of its citizens rather than pick fights with China to make the World safe Plutocracy.

    , @Hereward the Woke
    @anon

    Dunno, racial politics operate somewhat differently in the UK. It’s not implausible Hong Kongers would vote Tory like Jews do.

  2. The chickens coming home to roost?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, General Tso's chickens.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  3. Anon[580] • Disclaimer says:

    Canada did a mini version of this, and Vancouver is pretty changed. I think they reached the perfect cusp where both sides kind of assimilate to the other and meet in the middle, which is in a way worse than just having a big population of foreigners who never assimilate.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Toronto seems to be the place that lets anybody and everybody in. Or it's the place everybody ends up. At least that's what it seems like, because every palooka from any country on Earth that I have ever met who emigrated to Canada lives in Toronto.

    If you're a Canadian, please tell us, what gives? What is it about Toronto?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon7

    , @TGGP
    @Anon

    How was it worse?

    I had previously heard that Canadian multiculturalism was better than their older bi-culturalism where Anglo vs French Canadians basically hated each other.

    If the problem with Boris' action was the quantity rather than the quality, then Trump taking in some would seem to be helpful.

    Replies: @Saxon

    , @Ian Smith
    @Anon

    The constant apologizing must be really hard on the Chinese in Canada.

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    Vancouver's Asian vibe was strongly Japanese pre-1997 and quite pleasant. Then the HKers began to arrive in droves around 1997 and ruined it. They were followed by the mainlanders who completely destroyed the place. We hardly even visit anymore even though it's only a 3 hour drive. It's like visiting China. Totally unpleasant with loud and rude Chinese speaking people everywhere.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  4. Yes they all see here a way of planting millions more non-Whites in White countries, UK in the lead with Australia and the US coming up fast from behind.

    White countries are to be genocided, the plan is well underway.

    No-one of the usual suspects suggesting that since these Chinamen are so bloody marvellous that Rwanda or Tanzania would benefit even more from their entry?

    Bloody Johnson’s Indian Home Secretary Priti Patel isn’t suggesting that they go to India or her other love Israel.

    Only White countries must be destroyed.

    • Replies: @alt right moderate
    @Gordo

    Perhaps if people like you spent more time helping their own race, rather than obsessing over other races in hyperbolic language, you might actually win some support and have some influence over the situation.

    Replies: @Exile

  5. @Anon
    Canada did a mini version of this, and Vancouver is pretty changed. I think they reached the perfect cusp where both sides kind of assimilate to the other and meet in the middle, which is in a way worse than just having a big population of foreigners who never assimilate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TGGP, @Ian Smith, @Anon

    Toronto seems to be the place that lets anybody and everybody in. Or it’s the place everybody ends up. At least that’s what it seems like, because every palooka from any country on Earth that I have ever met who emigrated to Canada lives in Toronto.

    If you’re a Canadian, please tell us, what gives? What is it about Toronto?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Biggest city, most gibs.

    I have several SWPL friends that live there and every time I visit the place is even worse than before. There isn't a single White person working at Pearson International. It's Babel.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I used to be a frequent border crosser to Toronto. They had the third largest theatre district in the English speaking world behind NYC and London. Prices were reasonable because the US Dollar was strong against their Monopoly money. But, every time we went up to Toronto, the city seemed less Anglo-Canadian and more minority. They actually referred to them as "visible minority" meaning non-white. Ontario has a corridor of business and industry, that extends from Fort Erie (Peace Bridge) up through Hamilton, St. Catherine, Missasaqua and into Toronto. Above Toronto is "cottage" country and then into the Taiga and remote lakes and logging and mining and no big cities until you get to North Bay. Toronto accomodates the immigrants by building high rises like no other major city I have ever visited. Don't know how they keep up with public education and services, but their cops all make around $100K. They also seem to have a festival for every ethnic group imaginable.

    Replies: @PSR

    , @Anon7
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Fortunately, Michiganders have Detroit guarding the border. Anyone who looks across and sees a majority black city, especially one that periodically gets set on fire, will think twice before crossing.

    Unfortunately, many illegals (probably 50,000 Somalis) have now crossing into Minnesota instead, with the results you're seeing now on your TVs. Toronto has the international airports they fly into.

  6. This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game where the Hong Kongers’ visas came at the expense of other prospective immigrants, with the same annual cap. A decade of immigration from Hong Kong only.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @IHTG


    This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game
     
    No, we want our country back.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems

    , @ATBOTL
    @IHTG

    What an utterly ridiculous comment. We don't want to be replaced by anyone.

    Replies: @IHTG

  7. @Buzz Mohawk
    The chickens coming home to roost?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Yes, General Tso’s chickens.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Intelligent Dasein

    My favorite! Yum!

  8. I always knew the Brexit Tories were much the same as the rest of the corrupt politicians. They complained about the EU usurping Britain’s sovereignty, but when they were in power they didn’t even avail themselves of the limited scope of action they were allowed to restrict immigration. Johnson pretends to be a different breed by cultivating a slightly eccentric persona and occasionally making un-PC comments, but he’s just another politician who’d never do anything George Soros would disapprove of.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Rob McX

    Yes,
    and Brexit never had anything to do with immigration. If anything it was to reduce white immigration and increase brown immigration. It's sold to the brexiteers as Commmonwealth because obviously brexiteers are unable to grasp that New Zealand and Australia is a tiny part of the Commonwealth.

    , @Anonymous
    @Rob McX

    The Rothschilds, a.k.a. founding family of Israel, who own the Financial Times and The Economist are the real rulers of the UK, Boris is just a puppet, like their other puppet in France, Macron. Their (((representatives))) on Wall Street and Vegas run the US. If you've read TE, you'd know they are the world's biggest proponent of complete open borders, they should rename themselves The Globalist. I strongly believe Merkel was egged into taking in the 1m Muslims after the cover on TE: Let Them In, Let Them Work, with fairy tales describing these unskilled, rapist thugs as hardworking doctors, lawyers, journalists.

  9. This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    @utu

    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form 'part of the West'.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @utu

    I just checked the map, and Hong Kong looks a lot closer to China than 'the West' to me.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @utu

    Give'em MANPADs, ATGMs and HMGs if we really support them.

    , @RichardTaylor
    @utu

    But doesn't giving them an escape make it more likely they will give up the struggle and just move?

    I will say, the best thing for Hong Kong would have been to keep British rule.

    , @West Reanimator
    @utu

    Fleeing their homes forever to move to the other side of the world is literally giving up.

    , @Wilkey
    @utu


    This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up...
     
    Oh bullshit. This is a message saying, loud and clear, to the people of Hong Kong: "GIVE UP AND YOU CAN MOVE TO BRITAIN."

    Certainly there are lots of Hong King zillionaires who have business ties there and want to stay there to preserve their wealth. But the vast majority of Hong Kong's middle and lower classes will take it as an invitation to stop fighting and leave.

    It's also a message, loud and clear, to China: "Keep oppressing Hong Kong and we'll let you conquer Great Britain, too."

    How f-cking stupid can our leaders be? Part of the reason Boris won the Brexit referendum was pointing out that a million or more Turks would move to Britain if ever Turkey became a member of the EU. Now he's offering residence to *3 million Chinese*.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

  10. The British Government is insane. The only thing they have going for them is you can guarantee a Labour Government would be even more insane.

    We already have between 250,000 to 400,000 people of Chinese ethnicity in the UK. But they tend to be spread out. It seems every village has a Chinese Take-Away (Take-out?).

    If they come, no doubt they will mostly end up in England which is the most densely populated place in Europe – excepting mini states like Monaco. We already have problems accommodating the millions of EU and third world migrants that have turned up over the last 20 years.

    I’d be interested to hear from Anglo’s (in the American sense of the word) of what to expect when they form large ghettos. I understand Vancouver has a huge ethnic Chinese population and there are lots of them in Australia as well.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Ghastly Oik


    ...what to expect when they form large ghettos
     
    Lots of sharp business practices; avoidance of regulations and taxes. One guy who did background checks for awhile said that every Chinese he investigated had at least three identities.
  11. @IHTG
    This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game where the Hong Kongers' visas came at the expense of other prospective immigrants, with the same annual cap. A decade of immigration from Hong Kong only.

    Replies: @Gordo, @ATBOTL

    This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game

    No, we want our country back.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Charon
    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    @Gordo

    No, we want our country back.

    That proposition is beyond political solutions.

  12. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form ‘part of the West’.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Change that Matters


    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form ‘part of the West’.
     
    They have been steeped in freedom and individualism for a century and a half. So they differ from the anthills that are the rest of Asia. In many ways, Hong Kong is more like 1900 America than 2020 America is.

    Talk to modern Brits, and you'd think the national treasures were not the Magna Charta or the Petition of Right, but the NHS and the 1997 pistol ban.

    I'm not saying bring the Hong Kongers to London, just bring back those old British virtues.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  13. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    I just checked the map, and Hong Kong looks a lot closer to China than ‘the West’ to me.

    • Agree: Gordo
  14. The worst is the gay libertarians fantasising about how much of the countryside they can destroy to build Chinese hive-cities

    The arrival of a couple of million enterprising Hong Kongers would be a huge economic boost as we emerge from the Covid recession, and show what Global Britain really means. Should we build a new charter city, a Hong Kong of our own, so to speak? If so, where? 🇬🇧🇭🇰— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) May 30, 2020

    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Albans or Brighton, be made the charter city and Hong Kong-style densities be allowed.— Brighton Yimby (@BrightonYimby) May 28, 2020

    The only reason the UK wouldn't set up a charter city for ALL Hong Kongers, on some empty piece of land on the coast somewhere, is that it seems weird and unprecedented. There is no good argument against it. If it took off it would turn the UK into a powerhouse 👍🇬🇧— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) May 28, 2020

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Kent Nationalist

    Weird reasoning by twitter thinkers. Just dump them in London as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AKAHorace
    @Kent Nationalist


    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Alba
     
    Translation"Fuck you home counties of middle England"
    , @Veracitor
    @Kent Nationalist

    Hong Kongers would provide ‘huge economic boost’, ‘turn UK into a powerhouse’, they say.

    Libertardians seem to think that movie “Crazy Rich Asians” was about average folks in HK instead of plutocrats in Singapore.

    What a bunch of maroons. Nearly everyone in Hong Kong is very poor. The 2018 Hong Kong median household income was USD $3,500 (HKD 27,000). About ninety percent of Hong Kongers would go on the dole the instant they got to England and never get off it.

    (For comparison: Greek median household income about USD $58,000, over sixteen times as much as HK!)

    HK is many, many urban peasants, a few oligarchs, and some foreigners working for the oligarchs. The foreigners can always go back to their own countries if they lose their jobs in HK banks and so-on. The oligarchs can bribe their way into other countries (most already have; they purchased foreign passports and retirement villas long ago). Only the urban peasants would have trouble leaving HK because no other country would actually want them— or at least, no actual citizens of other countries would want them, just evil politicians inflicting “divide and conquer” on their own peoples.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @Veracitor

  15. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Do Hong Kongers tend to have relatives in mainland China? If so giving British citizenship to 3 million Hong Kongers could potentially lead to many more than that coming to Britain through family reunification type policies.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  16. Raab, Patel and Johnson don’t exactly have the same concerns as native Brits. Neocons doing their invade the world, invite the world thing.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    @LondonBob



    Raab, Patel and Johnson don’t exactly have the same concerns as native Brits. Neocons doing their invade the world, invite the world thing.

     

    Is it even rocket science?

    The first is a rootless Jew. The second is an Indian and the third is an opportunistic mongrel Turk but with malevolent kosher DNA.

    Btw the Turk's younger brother is married to The Guardian journalist Amelia Gentleman who has been been campaigning for deported blacks who are responsible for most violent crime in London like peers in America.

    Meanwhile another tribalist 'Sir' Alf Dubs in the opposition Labour Party wants to import 'child refugees' with beards to partake in the rapefest of local girls. His party is led by a man married to a Jewess.

    After all these self-inflicted woes, Brits then go on 4chan, UR, TOO etc to have a pity party so as to solicit sympathy. Pathetic.
  17. I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:

    The country with the best record is Hong Kong. Despite having an average of 773 doctors working in the UK since 2008, none have been struck off or disciplined by the GMC.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9771022/Revealed-3-in-4-of-Britains-danger-doctors-are-trained-abroad.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn


    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:
     
    You’d happily give your country’s best jobs to foreigners? You are pathetic.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Dumbo, @thud

    , @Kronos
    @TelfoedJohn

    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise.

    “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”

    Replies: @Wilkey

  18. There was talk of this when Hong Kong was returned to China, but like then this won’t be allowed because the liberal establishment know that the Hong Kongers will out compete their children for university places and jobs in tech. The liberal establishment are happy for low class Muslims and blacks to come over to terrorise white communities but they know the Chinks won’t do that but will compete with them instead.

  19. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    Give’em MANPADs, ATGMs and HMGs if we really support them.

  20. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    But doesn’t giving them an escape make it more likely they will give up the struggle and just move?

    I will say, the best thing for Hong Kong would have been to keep British rule.

    • Agree: Charon
  21. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @TelfoedJohn
    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:

    The country with the best record is Hong Kong. Despite having an average of 773 doctors working in the UK since 2008, none have been struck off or disciplined by the GMC.
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9771022/Revealed-3-in-4-of-Britains-danger-doctors-are-trained-abroad.html

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:

    You’d happily give your country’s best jobs to foreigners? You are pathetic.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @TGGP
    @Anonymous

    I'd happily give the "best jobs" to people who do the best job. I wouldn't want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be "pathetic".

    Replies: @peterike, @Anonymous, @ATBOTL

    , @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    He's likely an "HBD believer". He thinks all that matters is "high IQ". Giving away the country to Africans, no, but to Asians, OK.

    However, perhaps giving visas only to nubile Asian women could be a good way to finally turn white women against immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG

    , @thud
    @Anonymous

    Why not? you did.

  22. Uk says:

    Ain’t gonna happen.

    Bojo is just doing diplomacy.

    Meanwhile, competent, smart, amiable Hong Kongers don’t pull on the heart strings of the open boarders supporting Labour party membership like “retired” Syrian ISIS fighters do.

    And the potential immigrants themselves don’t particularly want it. They have Hong Kong.

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that. They saw the Hong Kong protesters holding up all sorts of pro-Western stuff and they thought “cucks”.

    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Uk


    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.
     
    How is that a threat to the CCP’s legitimacy? Mainlanders want Hong Kong but don’t want Hong Kongers. If the CCP can take over the territory and property and give the boot to the Hong Kong people without firing a shot, it would be perceived as a huge victory in mainland China. Mainland Chinese resent Hong Kongers for being arrogant and self-superior. Chinese folks are frank and realistic about the un-Reconstructable nature of human nature, which is why they invented the brutal “9 generations familial extermination” punishment. They know Hong Kongers at heart can’t be reconciled to the CCP. The mainlanders would delight in the opportunity to expel and expropriate them.

    Replies: @SOL

    , @Bill B.
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I've worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a 'cosmopolitan city' it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a "moral duty" to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I'd rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own 'exotic' cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    Replies: @UK, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Anonymous
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.
    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     
    I wonder who's the dim one here. When Jimmy Carter asked Deng Xiao Peng to allow Chinese citizens to emigrate to the US, Deng laughed and said, "how many Chinese do you want?" Tens of millions of Chinese emigrants since, China is invading the West without firing a single bullet. The Chinese do not stop being loyal to the motherland and their own tribe no matter where they immigrated, it's why we're now having all these problems with industrial espionage and stolen research data from our universities.

    Trust me the CCP are in tears laughing over the stupidity of Boris and the WSJ -- take them, take all 5 or 7m of them, we've got 1.4 billion more at home.

  23. @Kent Nationalist
    The worst is the gay libertarians fantasising about how much of the countryside they can destroy to build Chinese hive-cities

    The arrival of a couple of million enterprising Hong Kongers would be a huge economic boost as we emerge from the Covid recession, and show what Global Britain really means. Should we build a new charter city, a Hong Kong of our own, so to speak? If so, where? 🇬🇧🇭🇰— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) May 30, 2020
     

    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Albans or Brighton, be made the charter city and Hong Kong-style densities be allowed.— Brighton Yimby (@BrightonYimby) May 28, 2020
     

    The only reason the UK wouldn't set up a charter city for ALL Hong Kongers, on some empty piece of land on the coast somewhere, is that it seems weird and unprecedented. There is no good argument against it. If it took off it would turn the UK into a powerhouse 👍🇬🇧— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) May 28, 2020
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @AKAHorace, @Veracitor

    Weird reasoning by twitter thinkers. Just dump them in London as usual.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pericles

    Actually, a lot of Chinese settle in Cambridgeshire. They really like living near the university.

    Replies: @Charon

  24. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    Fleeing their homes forever to move to the other side of the world is literally giving up.

  25. @Ghastly Oik
    The British Government is insane. The only thing they have going for them is you can guarantee a Labour Government would be even more insane.

    We already have between 250,000 to 400,000 people of Chinese ethnicity in the UK. But they tend to be spread out. It seems every village has a Chinese Take-Away (Take-out?).

    If they come, no doubt they will mostly end up in England which is the most densely populated place in Europe - excepting mini states like Monaco. We already have problems accommodating the millions of EU and third world migrants that have turned up over the last 20 years.

    I'd be interested to hear from Anglo's (in the American sense of the word) of what to expect when they form large ghettos. I understand Vancouver has a huge ethnic Chinese population and there are lots of them in Australia as well.

    Replies: @bomag

    …what to expect when they form large ghettos

    Lots of sharp business practices; avoidance of regulations and taxes. One guy who did background checks for awhile said that every Chinese he investigated had at least three identities.

  26. I can’t begin to even guess the eventual number of unemployed in Britain due to the Covid-1984 plandemic scare, but these extra mouths will not be welcome.

  27. Supposedly intelligent people like Raab and Johnson don’t seem to know that the UK imports half of its food, and that those food imports will likely become problematic in the future, because of fossil fuel depletion, which will make food production and transportation much more expensive than they presently are.

    In other words, the UK already has about thirty million people too many to feed itself correctly beyond 2030 or so. And this time, there’s nowhere to go for white people.

    • Agree: notsaying
  28. Sean says:

    Boris’s delusions of grandeur were shown by his Brexit plan of turning the UK into a low-tax, lightly regulated “Singapore-on-Thames. He is– as he has always been–focused on the interest of globalizing City banks, which would be fine if he was still London Mayor or a London Member Of Parliament representing the particular interests of his constituency, but now he is a Prime Minister he has not broadened his perspective and thinks the whole of Britain can keep running on the capital’s financial swashbucklers. Actually, the area that a real comparative advantage exists in for London is not venture capitalism at all, but ‘family offices’ (each a billionaire’s secret wealth management operation).

    In total the UK is a medium sized country with control highly centralised in a city where American tech zillionaires pursue staid investment strategies with their family fortunes, while the kids of Russian oligarchs and corrupt Chicom officials are educated and have fun for a few years. The Chinese tried in the noughties and got burned, as when PetroChina took a stake in the British oil refiner Ineos and suffered a series of strikes. No one in China sees the UK as somewhere to make money or do business. Johnson thought London finance’s access to EU countries would still be the, but the EU made clear City banks would not continue to enjoy the same access to the EU while free from EU regulation that Cameron had got in the negotiations before the Brexit referendum. So Johnson had all his eggs in the shakey China basket. At the end of January he gave China’s Huawei the 5g contract for Britain. Until February China had insisted with obscure menaces that no country suspend flights to or from China.

    Only Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, and India, who have primordial distrust of China escaped the straight-out-of-Wunan pandemic. The WHO between 12-22 January passed on a message to the whole wide world from China that the Wuhan disease had shown no signs of sustained transmissibility, China had certainly found out that was not true by the 23rd of January when they instituted an absolute air and land condoning of off and internal closedown of Wuhan. However China did bit pass on this tidbit, they just left everyone else to find out for themselves that the Wuhan disease would cause a global wildfire pandemic.

    A traditional Chinese method paying off the barbarians through their families. It was through an Email list mistake by Johnson’s father Stanley that a journalist found out Stanley had met with the Chinese ambassador about ‘environmental issues’ (folding green more like) and received a complaint from Xi, which was why on like a good little boy, on 18 Feb 2020 ‘I love China,’ Boris Johnson told Xi Jinping in a call about coronavirus.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sean


    Only Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, and India, who have primordial distrust of China escaped the straight-out-of-Wunan pandemic. The WHO between 12-22 January passed on a message to the whole wide world from China that the Wuhan disease had shown no signs of sustained transmissibility, China had certainly found out that was not true by the 23rd of January when they instituted an absolute air and land condoning of off and internal closedown of Wuhan. However China did bit pass on this tidbit, they just left everyone else to find out for themselves that the Wuhan disease would cause a global wildfire pandemic.
     
    China confirmed on January 20th that there was human to human transmission, and then locked down Wuhan 2 days later on January 22nd.

    https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1259300068227760128

    Air Seoul suspended China flights starting on January 28th. British Airways suspended them a day later on January 29th. Another Korean airline, JejuAir, didn't suspend China routes until March 1st. The main and largest Korean airline, Korean Air, maintained some Chinese routes until February 22nd. By contrast, Delta and some other US airlines suspended China routes earlier starting February 2nd.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-airlines-factbox/factbox-airlines-suspend-flights-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN20P2YY
  29. @Anon
    Canada did a mini version of this, and Vancouver is pretty changed. I think they reached the perfect cusp where both sides kind of assimilate to the other and meet in the middle, which is in a way worse than just having a big population of foreigners who never assimilate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TGGP, @Ian Smith, @Anon

    How was it worse?

    I had previously heard that Canadian multiculturalism was better than their older bi-culturalism where Anglo vs French Canadians basically hated each other.

    If the problem with Boris’ action was the quantity rather than the quality, then Trump taking in some would seem to be helpful.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    @TGGP

    Having 50 groups who all hate each other having to live cheek by jowl in an oligarchy posing as a democracy isn't better than what it used to be. Also, every single anti-white policy that exists in America exists in Canada. Even though they don't make sense. Affirmative action? It's there. Chiding about slavery that never existed in the country? Also there! If you're white, you're always the wrong party in any altercation. "Minorities" (soon to be the majority) can violently assault you with a deadly weapon like a machete all based on your race and scream about how much they hate whitey while doing it but suddenly the courts have trouble determining it to be a hate crime, because that's for you only when you transgress against these other people you've been saddled with by saying something that offends them.

  30. @LondonBob
    Raab, Patel and Johnson don't exactly have the same concerns as native Brits. Neocons doing their invade the world, invite the world thing.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems

    Raab, Patel and Johnson don’t exactly have the same concerns as native Brits. Neocons doing their invade the world, invite the world thing.

    Is it even rocket science?

    The first is a rootless Jew. The second is an Indian and the third is an opportunistic mongrel Turk but with malevolent kosher DNA.

    Btw the Turk’s younger brother is married to The Guardian journalist Amelia Gentleman who has been been campaigning for deported blacks who are responsible for most violent crime in London like peers in America.

    Meanwhile another tribalist ‘Sir’ Alf Dubs in the opposition Labour Party wants to import ‘child refugees’ with beards to partake in the rapefest of local girls. His party is led by a man married to a Jewess.

    After all these self-inflicted woes, Brits then go on 4chan, UR, TOO etc to have a pity party so as to solicit sympathy. Pathetic.

  31. @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn


    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:
     
    You’d happily give your country’s best jobs to foreigners? You are pathetic.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Dumbo, @thud

    I’d happily give the “best jobs” to people who do the best job. I wouldn’t want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be “pathetic”.

    • Replies: @peterike
    @TGGP


    I’d happily give the “best jobs” to people who do the best job.
     
    And that's exactly why we can't have nice things. Idiots like you.
    , @Anonymous
    @TGGP


    I’d happily give the “best jobs” to people who do the best job. I wouldn’t want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be “pathetic”.
     
    You’d sell out your people for a mess of pottage.

    There is plenty of medical talent to be found in the populations of the United States and Britain. And non-Western countries badly need the far scarcer talent that they have.

    Pathetic. You are cowardly trash.

    , @ATBOTL
    @TGGP

    People are like you are what is killing the West.

  32. @Gordo
    @IHTG


    This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game
     
    No, we want our country back.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems

    No, we want our country back.

    That proposition is beyond political solutions.

  33. As Saint John of Kronstadt used to say: “heaven is a monarchy: hell is a democracy”
    Now you might say that the UK is a parliamentary monarchy, where the Royal family is more like a criminal cartel than a real monarchy.

    https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/heaven-there-kingdom-hell-there-democracy

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Toronto seems to be the place that lets anybody and everybody in. Or it's the place everybody ends up. At least that's what it seems like, because every palooka from any country on Earth that I have ever met who emigrated to Canada lives in Toronto.

    If you're a Canadian, please tell us, what gives? What is it about Toronto?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon7

    Biggest city, most gibs.

    I have several SWPL friends that live there and every time I visit the place is even worse than before. There isn’t a single White person working at Pearson International. It’s Babel.

  35. A large proportion of Chinese immigrants to British Columbia are Hong Kongers, I believe. Of all Chinese sub-groups, if you have to have Chinese immigrants to Britain, I rather they be Hong Kongers, who lived for a century under British rule, rather than anyone else. It would be great to get LastRealCalvinist’s take on this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan


    Of all Chinese sub-groups, if you have to have Chinese immigrants to Britain, I rather they be Hong Kongers, who lived for a century under British rule, rather than anyone else. It would be great to get LastRealCalvinist’s take on this.
     
    You do that, you will eventually be replaced.
  36. @TGGP
    @Anonymous

    I'd happily give the "best jobs" to people who do the best job. I wouldn't want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be "pathetic".

    Replies: @peterike, @Anonymous, @ATBOTL

    I’d happily give the “best jobs” to people who do the best job.

    And that’s exactly why we can’t have nice things. Idiots like you.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
  37. Taiwan’s Tsai Ing Wen is offering to resettle those who wish to leave. The UK and other Western nations should provide aid in support of this. I have no idea how many Hong Kong residents will leave but everyone who does makes Taiwan stronger which is why China has denounced the plan and will probably physically invade Hong Kong to stop any large scale migration.

    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal
    cities.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Unit472


    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal cities.
     
    I wonder how effective generating an EMP over Formosa might be, in terms of aiding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan?

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Fidelios Automata
    @Unit472

    We should give Taiwan nukes. Maybe Bibi can transfer a few to them.

  38. if you have to have Chinese immigrants to Britain

    But we don’t have to, any more than we ‘had’ to let in those Indians from Uganda under Ted Heath.

    It’s just that the British Establishment hate the British people and feel no kindred spirit with us.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  39. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @TGGP
    @Anonymous

    I'd happily give the "best jobs" to people who do the best job. I wouldn't want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be "pathetic".

    Replies: @peterike, @Anonymous, @ATBOTL

    I’d happily give the “best jobs” to people who do the best job. I wouldn’t want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be “pathetic”.

    You’d sell out your people for a mess of pottage.

    There is plenty of medical talent to be found in the populations of the United States and Britain. And non-Western countries badly need the far scarcer talent that they have.

    Pathetic. You are cowardly trash.

  40. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    A large proportion of Chinese immigrants to British Columbia are Hong Kongers, I believe. Of all Chinese sub-groups, if you have to have Chinese immigrants to Britain, I rather they be Hong Kongers, who lived for a century under British rule, rather than anyone else. It would be great to get LastRealCalvinist's take on this.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Of all Chinese sub-groups, if you have to have Chinese immigrants to Britain, I rather they be Hong Kongers, who lived for a century under British rule, rather than anyone else. It would be great to get LastRealCalvinist’s take on this.

    You do that, you will eventually be replaced.

  41. Afghanistan will be ruled by the Taliban again in 2021. Consider this – If none of the people who have worked with the Americans since 2001 were allowed to leave their country, would the Taliban still be successful in this predicted takeover? I do not think so. These people would fight for their lives and their tribe/country.

    Allowing the democratically inclined to leave China deprives those who are opposed to CCP of the numbers and leadership needed to at least keep the government in check.

  42. @TelfoedJohn
    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:

    The country with the best record is Hong Kong. Despite having an average of 773 doctors working in the UK since 2008, none have been struck off or disciplined by the GMC.
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9771022/Revealed-3-in-4-of-Britains-danger-doctors-are-trained-abroad.html

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise.

    “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Kronos


    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise. “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”
     
    I don't think the UK has any actual ceiling on immigration. So what you'll end up with his both, along with millions of more votes for politicians that support open borders. Conservatives - or maybe "conservatives" - have barely been winning elections as it is. Let's tip the scales permanently in the Left's favor, shall we?

    No matter how conservative Asians may personally be, in Western countries they vote for liberals. Because conservatism is about conserving the dominant culture, not their own.

    Replies: @IHTG

  43. this is a good idea send these funny sounding cantonese cukss to the the most anti chinese race the (BRITISH /AUS) i am hoping they suffer forever in their beautiful grey britain.

  44. anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    For once these immigrants might actually be natural conservatives.

    For that reason the Labour party and LibDems will oppose. Brilliant move by BoJo.

  45. @Kent Nationalist
    The worst is the gay libertarians fantasising about how much of the countryside they can destroy to build Chinese hive-cities

    The arrival of a couple of million enterprising Hong Kongers would be a huge economic boost as we emerge from the Covid recession, and show what Global Britain really means. Should we build a new charter city, a Hong Kong of our own, so to speak? If so, where? 🇬🇧🇭🇰— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) May 30, 2020
     

    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Albans or Brighton, be made the charter city and Hong Kong-style densities be allowed.— Brighton Yimby (@BrightonYimby) May 28, 2020
     

    The only reason the UK wouldn't set up a charter city for ALL Hong Kongers, on some empty piece of land on the coast somewhere, is that it seems weird and unprecedented. There is no good argument against it. If it took off it would turn the UK into a powerhouse 👍🇬🇧— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) May 28, 2020
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @AKAHorace, @Veracitor

    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Alba

    Translation”Fuck you home counties of middle England”

  46. In the comments section of the WSJ piece, the readers seem to be uniformly enthusiastic about the editorial board’s idea. The delusional thinking never ends.

    • Agree: notsaying
  47. @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn


    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:
     
    You’d happily give your country’s best jobs to foreigners? You are pathetic.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Dumbo, @thud

    He’s likely an “HBD believer”. He thinks all that matters is “high IQ”. Giving away the country to Africans, no, but to Asians, OK.

    However, perhaps giving visas only to nubile Asian women could be a good way to finally turn white women against immigration.

    • Agree: TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Dumbo

    In the 21st century, people with high IQs tend to also have lower birthrates, so even if you don't value their IQs as such, they're preferable for that reason.

  48. Excellent move from Johnson and his Cabinet. Johnson himself has a Muslim grandparent, and is of mixed heritage. Rishi Sunak, the extremely intelligent Chancellor (currently the most popular politician in Britain) is of Indian heritage. The Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, is of Jewish heritage. The Home Secretary, Priti Patel, is of Indian heritage. The Attorney General is of Indian heritage, as is the Business Secretary.

    Dominic Cummings himself is a globalist, and cares more about AI than about English natives.

    The Ugandan and Kenyan Indians assimilated very well, and are extremely successful: the Hong Kong refugees will be too. I like this globalist Conservative Party a lot, apart from the Brexit stuff.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Edward

    What do you need several millions more people in the UK to do? Like the US you have had decades of mass migration. Like the rest of the world the UK will experience the massive permanent destruction of jobs due to technology that presidential candidate Andrew Yung warned about.

    Most of these people will be average folks, not geniuses or rich. So why are you so eager to have them all like it's nothing?

    , @bomag
    @Edward


    The _______ assimilated very well, and are extremely successful
     
    Why be so anxious to assimilate the Other? Why not raise up more of your own, who will be part of society from the beginning?
  49. Coag says:
    @Uk
    Ain't gonna happen.

    Bojo is just doing diplomacy.

    Meanwhile, competent, smart, amiable Hong Kongers don't pull on the heart strings of the open boarders supporting Labour party membership like "retired" Syrian ISIS fighters do.

    And the potential immigrants themselves don't particularly want it. They have Hong Kong.

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most "face" obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that. They saw the Hong Kong protesters holding up all sorts of pro-Western stuff and they thought "cucks".

    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.

    Replies: @Coag, @Bill B., @Anonymous

    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.

    How is that a threat to the CCP’s legitimacy? Mainlanders want Hong Kong but don’t want Hong Kongers. If the CCP can take over the territory and property and give the boot to the Hong Kong people without firing a shot, it would be perceived as a huge victory in mainland China. Mainland Chinese resent Hong Kongers for being arrogant and self-superior. Chinese folks are frank and realistic about the un-Reconstructable nature of human nature, which is why they invented the brutal “9 generations familial extermination” punishment. They know Hong Kongers at heart can’t be reconciled to the CCP. The mainlanders would delight in the opportunity to expel and expropriate them.

    • Replies: @SOL
    @Coag

    You don't understand Chinese. No one who is ethnically Chinese should escape their control. That's why the CCP can't let Taiwan go either.

    If the CCP were to allow HKers to seek refuge elsewhere without difficulty, one should suspect those refugees of being CCP sympathizers and spies.

  50. Merkle owed nothing to the, “syrians” or the North Africans. Britain on the other hand did have a relationship with Hong Kong. Settle them in Vancouver. BC is already lost know or replace those lovely followers of the prophet.

  51. Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel’s Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade – we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    • Replies: @Coag
    @Jack D

    Why let any HKers in at all? What has happened in Vancouver is that working class whites and First Nations are meth-addled apparitions wandering around Gastown, having been priced out of any respectable standard of living by the relentless waves of Chinese immigration.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe the US could do a trade – we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.
     
    I've got a better idea. How about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews, neocons, shitlibs, LGBTQ, antifa, BLM, illegal immigrants, in exchange for bringing back all our factories? We can even throw in the entire Ivy League to sweeten the deal since the Chinese so love them.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Lot
    @Jack D

    “ Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.”

    Think of the poor natives, who either make twice what their parents did or else had to sell their $120,000 house for $1.5 million! And Canada is so small and crowded, no place else to go. And Vancouver’s white population has centuries long roots, and very little of the “wandering” genes that led to the conquest and settlement of the US West. They’re more like Sardinians and Basques.

    Seems like the problem in BC is more the prole Indian immigrants, often “Jats,” than NE Asians. They are an “other backward caste” in Northern India and Pakistan.

    , @Kronos
    @Jack D

    Strangely enough, the ruling classes will likely be the most affronted by such a surge in high-ability human capital.

    I don’t think their kids have nightmares of inner city blacks taking away their chance of being Valedictorian.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/season-14-the-simpsons-14x7-3orif1VeFyDEt9fS4U

    , @Sean
    @Jack D


    China coronavirus: Vancouver announces first case, a man ...www.scmp.com › News › China. 29 Jan 2020 - Patient in his 40s 'regularly travels to China for his work and was in Wuhan city on his most recent trip', health official says
     
    Smoke weed in China and you will be jailed, but Fentanyl is perfectly legal to manufacture, To be specific the Fentanyl manufacturing capital of the world is Wuhan and Vancouver is where they launder the profits. Hence:-
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU_6OAHX0AAGzEx?format=png

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/chinese-triads-launder-billions-through-vancouver-buying-luxury-real-estate-cars/ The conspiracy, news of which has scandalized the province’s largest city, starts in China, where precursor drugs used to manufacture the deadly opioid fentanyl are shipped to the Port of Vancouver ...dealers drop the money off with Chinese gamblers who launder it by purchasing betting chips at high-roller tables in the city’s casinos and cashing them out. They then deposit the “washed” money into underground banks that wire the funds back to China.

    Thereafter, the funds are transferred to shell companies – protected by Canadian privacy laws – and used to buy luxury homes and expensive cars in Vancouver. In 2018 $4 billion in real estate alone, which has increased the cost of homes in Vancouver by five percent. The bubble in prices is so large that the city’s residents complain they no longer can afford to buy a home.
     

    The quality of HK immigrants may be almost as high as the mass murdering Chines drug wholesalers in Ontario, but there is already not shortage of people wanting to migrate to Britain from all over the world and in fact all you need is a bit of money (recently reduced) to get the granted the right of entry and domicile. The society is going to be top heavy with elites if all those people are admitted and according to Turchin that is a recipe for chaos. But Boris is a classicist so he must know the lessons of history. On the other hand he seems to have already forgot where the disease that almost killed him last month came from.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    The quality of the human capital is vastly higher.
     
    Not compared to white natives: On visual phenotypical considerations alone, (East) Asians in aggregate fail. Add their bugman hive-like social structures, and it’s a big HBD loss for Vancouver.

    Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.
     
    Well, not literally destroyed; the buildings still stand. Demographically, though…
  52. @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why let any HKers in at all? What has happened in Vancouver is that working class whites and First Nations are meth-addled apparitions wandering around Gastown, having been priced out of any respectable standard of living by the relentless waves of Chinese immigration.

  53. Yes, but think of all the great Chinese restaurants the UK will be getting … Wait! What? Chinese Restaurants and Social Distancing are mutually exclusive?

  54. Anonymous[847] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, a possible difference is that the Hong Kongers are likely tax contributors rather than than the Merkel ‘migrant’ tax eaters – notwithstanding all the early propaganda that they were, to a man, rocket scientists, engineers, surgeons, dentists etc etc.

  55. Only on these conditions:

    1. The Hong Kongers admitted to the UK must be admitted instead of those from third world outhouse nations like Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. So the net impact to immigration must equal zero or less.

    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.

    3. I bet some African nations would be happy to welcome highly trained Hong Kong businessmen, financial wizards, etc. Maybe Lagos could become the Hong Kong of Africa. Or something. And how about Latin America? They could create jobs in places like Honduras to keep the locals home and off that dangerous path through Mexico.

    Win, win.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hannah Katz


    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.
     
    The UK doesn't have sovereignty anywhere besides the UK itself. It's not in a position to make demands of other countries.

    Furthermore, despite what you might read in the mainstream media, except for perhaps the current president and administration of Taiwan, SE Asian countries generally have good relations with the PRC and are working on a free trade deal currently with the PRC.
    , @Wilkey
    @Hannah Katz

    If relocating people from Hong Kong is to actually happen, then your plan makes by far the most sense. Which is why it probably won't actually happen.

    China might not mind millions of people moving from Hong Kong to the UK, because that would eventually lead to huge Chinese influence over that country. But Singapore and Taiwan are already controlled by the Chinese, so they would take the economic hit and gain nothing.

    As it is, Raab's plan is basically a big giant middle finger to ethnically British people in the UK, who can barely afford to live in their native land.

    , @anon
    @Hannah Katz

    I have read that plenty of places in Italy offer residence to people who want to come and settle in their rural villages.

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/italy-cammarata-free-houses/index.html

    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants (and capital to boot too). For the Bell Curve enthusiasts, most HKers are at least one SD to the right side of most Europeans.

    Replies: @bomag

  56. In some alternate universe, this was a bellicose threat by Boris.

  57. You seem to be under the impression that Boris would have any interest in preserve the ethnic character of Britain. I think it’s time for you to accept that the Western ruling class rules for the benefit of the Market and not of their particular ethnic groups, for such people concerns about the ethnicity of high achieving immigrants will sound as nonsense. The only way out of this it’s to overthrow the present ruling class but of course there is no support for that and even many people who complain about the dispossession of Western peoples are suckers who seem to think that the likes of Boris and Trump are on their side, so the transformation of the Western World in a giant bazar is pretty much inevitable.

  58. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Toronto seems to be the place that lets anybody and everybody in. Or it's the place everybody ends up. At least that's what it seems like, because every palooka from any country on Earth that I have ever met who emigrated to Canada lives in Toronto.

    If you're a Canadian, please tell us, what gives? What is it about Toronto?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon7

    Buzz, I used to be a frequent border crosser to Toronto. They had the third largest theatre district in the English speaking world behind NYC and London. Prices were reasonable because the US Dollar was strong against their Monopoly money. But, every time we went up to Toronto, the city seemed less Anglo-Canadian and more minority. They actually referred to them as “visible minority” meaning non-white. Ontario has a corridor of business and industry, that extends from Fort Erie (Peace Bridge) up through Hamilton, St. Catherine, Missasaqua and into Toronto. Above Toronto is “cottage” country and then into the Taiga and remote lakes and logging and mining and no big cities until you get to North Bay. Toronto accomodates the immigrants by building high rises like no other major city I have ever visited. Don’t know how they keep up with public education and services, but their cops all make around $100K. They also seem to have a festival for every ethnic group imaginable.

    • Replies: @PSR
    @Buffalo Joe

    Same here. I started visiting Toronto in the 80s, initally to see theater and opera, saw Phantom of the Opera at the Pantages in late 80s. Struck me as a very friendly, safe and clean city, overwhemingly white. It felt like a large midwestern U.S. city. I went back maybe six times during the 80s and 90s and every time it got dirtier and felt less safe and the population was less and less white. I haven't been in Toronto now for almost twenty years and have no desire to return, but I miss the city I first visited so long ago.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  59. Canada went the humanitarian route and took in thousands of Tamil refugees fleeing their revolutionary loss in Sri Lanka. They arrived by the boat load, settled and demanded their own space within Canada. Blocked roads, blocked trains. A million or more HKers could demand much more than a few hundred thousand Tamils.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Buffalo Joe

    Fellow Buffalonian here brother... How's it going?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  60. Liberals realize that China demonstrates the weakness of liberalism and so their solution is to just move every victim away; problem solved. It’s a deus ex machina to save liberalism.

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Billy Shears


    Liberals realize that China demonstrates the weakness of liberalism and so their solution is to just move every victim away; problem solved. It’s a deus ex machina to save liberalism.
     
    Exactly which of the many "liberalisms" are you referring to? Progressivism, the Bill of Rights (1689 or 1789), or something in the vast gap between?
  61. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:

    That WSJ article is maddening. Even with record unemployment caused by coronavirus, and with violent riots breaking out all over the country, they are still stupidly suggesting inciting more violence in other countries, and more immigration from countries that we helped make unlivable.

    HK is not a US territory, since when are we responsible for what goes on there? Victims my eye. I’ve been to Hong Kong and it is one of the most unpleasant places to visit — crazy overcrowded, filthy, and some of the loudest, rudest people on the planet. What’s more the first SARS was started in Guangdong province in China, the same Cantonese speaking tribe as the HKers across the bay. The Cantonese have the most disgusting eating habits of all Chinese. Why do we need or even want a single one of them here?

    The CCP are probably laughing themselves silly at the idiocy of the UK and US. Go ahead and take all the miscreants who’ve been inciting violence! Even if all 5m inhabitants of HK emigrated, China could easily repopulate and replace all those people with its 1.4 billion on the mainland without missing a beat. What’s more it’ll give them a chance to finally tear down all those ugly run down slums in Kowloon and rebuild HK’s infrastructure to be up to standard with the mainland.

    I’m so sick of the stupidity of the invade the world, invite the world effing neocons like Pompeo and the WSJ. Here’s hoping the Dems succeed in uncovering Pompeo’s abuse of taxpayer funds and firing of the IG who was investigating him, and force a resignation from this POS treasonous rat.

  62. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    This is the essential problem with conservative critiques of immigration. Many conservatives are so because they’re conscientious but have low empathy and despise their native working class. They like inequality. So ‘hardworking’ immigrants who work for substandard pay are commendable. In conservative discourse since the 1970s nations are economies with people. In America they don’t even understand why foreign white immigrants are a problem.

    Sure the Kongers might be very successful people but why do you want a vast reservoir of people with immigrant identities making up large parts of your nation’s elites? Say what you will about Roma people, they don’t ever have much influence on issues of national identity or immigration policy. And are they people with high trust? They’re still outsiders, they’re still foreigners, they still displace economically, physically and they still have a separate identity and penchant for ethnic nepotism. And every time you have to integrate another ethnicity, you have to stretch the definition of your own identity.

    Hostile alien elites are the bane of native peoples since the Bronze age.

  63. This would make about as much sense as if the mayor of Detroit offered “citizenship” to the inhabitants of Honolulu. Don’t get you panties in the bunch, nobody in his right mind would want to immigrate to UK from first-world countries.

  64. @Anon
    Canada did a mini version of this, and Vancouver is pretty changed. I think they reached the perfect cusp where both sides kind of assimilate to the other and meet in the middle, which is in a way worse than just having a big population of foreigners who never assimilate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TGGP, @Ian Smith, @Anon

    The constant apologizing must be really hard on the Chinese in Canada.

  65. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Canada did a mini version of this, and Vancouver is pretty changed. I think they reached the perfect cusp where both sides kind of assimilate to the other and meet in the middle, which is in a way worse than just having a big population of foreigners who never assimilate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TGGP, @Ian Smith, @Anon

    Vancouver’s Asian vibe was strongly Japanese pre-1997 and quite pleasant. Then the HKers began to arrive in droves around 1997 and ruined it. They were followed by the mainlanders who completely destroyed the place. We hardly even visit anymore even though it’s only a 3 hour drive. It’s like visiting China. Totally unpleasant with loud and rude Chinese speaking people everywhere.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Anon

    I live in downtown Vancouver, and often times even the White people I pass on the streets are babbling away in some eastern-Euro language.

    It's like "does ANYONE speak English here!?"

  66. @Uk
    Ain't gonna happen.

    Bojo is just doing diplomacy.

    Meanwhile, competent, smart, amiable Hong Kongers don't pull on the heart strings of the open boarders supporting Labour party membership like "retired" Syrian ISIS fighters do.

    And the potential immigrants themselves don't particularly want it. They have Hong Kong.

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most "face" obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that. They saw the Hong Kong protesters holding up all sorts of pro-Western stuff and they thought "cucks".

    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.

    Replies: @Coag, @Bill B., @Anonymous

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I’ve worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a ‘cosmopolitan city’ it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a “moral duty” to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I’d rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own ‘exotic’ cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    • Replies: @UK
    @Bill B.

    British taking in the HKers would probably leave the Chinese regime unfussed, but HKers saying that they think the CCP is so dumb that they'd rather leave their homes and be exiled to Britain humiliates the CCP.

    The thing is that the HKers don't want to come to the UK. They just want the crude and unsubtle CCP to lay off them, and the HKers main weapon is humiliation.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill B.

    Bill, very nice comment. I have visited HK and other than the fact that it is easy to get around because most speak English and signage is in English, it feels totally Chinese.

    , @Anonymous
    @Bill B.

    Cantonese speaking Chinese (all HKers) are the most Chinesey of all Chinese, it's impossible to make these people into anything but Chinese, no matter where they live. Cantonese is the coarsest sounding, most hideous language on earth and anyone used to speaking that bedeviled tongue will never be able to speak any other language without a hideous accent. Almost all Chinatowns all over the world are started by the Cantonese, esp. in the West, it's why they always stay 100% Chinese in character, complete with the filth and grime and disgusting wet markets, and majority of people who live in Chinatowns can't speak a word of English, even after living there for a lifetime. High IQ my eye. Cantonese are some of the nastiest, rudest people around, every bit as pushy, unscrupulous and corruptible as the Jews.

    The British forced their way into China to make China open up for trade, forcefully taking HK as a trading outpost while waging their opium war against China. If they want to further destroy their country by taking in all 7m of these uncouth unpleasant louts, then perhaps it's their just deserts. Brits are the original globohomos, it's only fitting that they are now being reverse colonized.

    In retrospect, Brexit was probably the best thing to happen to the EU.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Bill B.

    Bill is right. Hong Kong is a Chinese city in terms of culture.

    There seem to be some common misapprehensions about HK's past floating around these days.

    HK has never been independent. It was a British colony until 1997, and then was turned directly over to PRC control. There has never been a point when HK people were in control of their own destiny, or experienced the political 'freedom' the US media suggests is being eliminated.

    What HK does have is the rule of law, and economic freedom. These factors -- along with its superb harbor -- have been the key to its economic success. It's been a place in which, for many decades, business can be conducted relatively stress-free, and at low cost.

    But there has never been a 'democratic' election that actually mattered here. Yes, we have elections for local officials, but the choice of HK's leader, the seat of real power, has never been up for grabs. Before 1997, HK's governors were simply appointed by the UK.

    HK people do make good immigrants on the whole. They don't expect to go on the dole, and they are not going to be lawbreakers or agitators. Their kids will study hard and try to fit in. But they're human, and of course therefore not perfect.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  67. Chinese gangs abducting young, nubile, Brit girls for the sex slave market to compete with the Muslim gangs… should drive prostitution prices down. Simply smart economic policy!

  68. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Maybe the US could do a trade – we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    I’ve got a better idea. How about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews, neocons, shitlibs, LGBTQ, antifa, BLM, illegal immigrants, in exchange for bringing back all our factories? We can even throw in the entire Ivy League to sweeten the deal since the Chinese so love them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous



    how about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews

     

    They all have to go back. I suggest that we set the date at 1619. Anyone with an ancestor arriving after that date is no damn good. The bar for achieving purity can never be set too high.

    Replies: @Anon

  69. @Buffalo Joe
    Canada went the humanitarian route and took in thousands of Tamil refugees fleeing their revolutionary loss in Sri Lanka. They arrived by the boat load, settled and demanded their own space within Canada. Blocked roads, blocked trains. A million or more HKers could demand much more than a few hundred thousand Tamils.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Fellow Buffalonian here brother… How’s it going?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @VinnyVette

    Vinny, just came back from Cleveland where you can get a hair cut and eat at a restaurant. Gas $1.77 per gallon and the toll boths on the Thruway are not manned, just drive through. Buffalo born and raised, suburbs now. Stay safe.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

  70. @Anon
    @Anon

    Vancouver's Asian vibe was strongly Japanese pre-1997 and quite pleasant. Then the HKers began to arrive in droves around 1997 and ruined it. They were followed by the mainlanders who completely destroyed the place. We hardly even visit anymore even though it's only a 3 hour drive. It's like visiting China. Totally unpleasant with loud and rude Chinese speaking people everywhere.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    I live in downtown Vancouver, and often times even the White people I pass on the streets are babbling away in some eastern-Euro language.

    It’s like “does ANYONE speak English here!?”

  71. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uk
    Ain't gonna happen.

    Bojo is just doing diplomacy.

    Meanwhile, competent, smart, amiable Hong Kongers don't pull on the heart strings of the open boarders supporting Labour party membership like "retired" Syrian ISIS fighters do.

    And the potential immigrants themselves don't particularly want it. They have Hong Kong.

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most "face" obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that. They saw the Hong Kong protesters holding up all sorts of pro-Western stuff and they thought "cucks".

    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.

    Replies: @Coag, @Bill B., @Anonymous

    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.
    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.

    I wonder who’s the dim one here. When Jimmy Carter asked Deng Xiao Peng to allow Chinese citizens to emigrate to the US, Deng laughed and said, “how many Chinese do you want?” Tens of millions of Chinese emigrants since, China is invading the West without firing a single bullet. The Chinese do not stop being loyal to the motherland and their own tribe no matter where they immigrated, it’s why we’re now having all these problems with industrial espionage and stolen research data from our universities.

    Trust me the CCP are in tears laughing over the stupidity of Boris and the WSJ — take them, take all 5 or 7m of them, we’ve got 1.4 billion more at home.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  72. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “ Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.”

    Think of the poor natives, who either make twice what their parents did or else had to sell their $120,000 house for $1.5 million! And Canada is so small and crowded, no place else to go. And Vancouver’s white population has centuries long roots, and very little of the “wandering” genes that led to the conquest and settlement of the US West. They’re more like Sardinians and Basques.

    Seems like the problem in BC is more the prole Indian immigrants, often “Jats,” than NE Asians. They are an “other backward caste” in Northern India and Pakistan.

  73. PSR says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, I used to be a frequent border crosser to Toronto. They had the third largest theatre district in the English speaking world behind NYC and London. Prices were reasonable because the US Dollar was strong against their Monopoly money. But, every time we went up to Toronto, the city seemed less Anglo-Canadian and more minority. They actually referred to them as "visible minority" meaning non-white. Ontario has a corridor of business and industry, that extends from Fort Erie (Peace Bridge) up through Hamilton, St. Catherine, Missasaqua and into Toronto. Above Toronto is "cottage" country and then into the Taiga and remote lakes and logging and mining and no big cities until you get to North Bay. Toronto accomodates the immigrants by building high rises like no other major city I have ever visited. Don't know how they keep up with public education and services, but their cops all make around $100K. They also seem to have a festival for every ethnic group imaginable.

    Replies: @PSR

    Same here. I started visiting Toronto in the 80s, initally to see theater and opera, saw Phantom of the Opera at the Pantages in late 80s. Struck me as a very friendly, safe and clean city, overwhemingly white. It felt like a large midwestern U.S. city. I went back maybe six times during the 80s and 90s and every time it got dirtier and felt less safe and the population was less and less white. I haven’t been in Toronto now for almost twenty years and have no desire to return, but I miss the city I first visited so long ago.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @PSR

    PSR, all the big stage productions in smaller theatres at great prices, what's not to like? I am 74 years old. In my youth my dad and I, with my uncle and my cousin used to drive up through Toronto, pre super highway days, to North Bay. Nothing around. Buffalo was gritty, but booming. Toronto looked like maybe a medium sized city in Kansas, certainly not like Buffalo, Rochester or Syracuse. Mining money and the financial capital of Canada changed all that.

  74. I would take Hong Kong over 21st century England in a heartbeat. Most will not move, though many might apply for a passport just in case.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Morris Applebaum IV


    I would take Hong Kong over 21st century England in a heartbeat. Most will not move, though many might apply for a passport just in case.

     

    This is quite plausible. In the runup to the 1997 handover, thousands of HK people 'emigrated' to western countries -- and then many of them came rushing back in the following years as the HK economy boomed.
  75. UK says:
    @Bill B.
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I've worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a 'cosmopolitan city' it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a "moral duty" to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I'd rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own 'exotic' cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    Replies: @UK, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist

    British taking in the HKers would probably leave the Chinese regime unfussed, but HKers saying that they think the CCP is so dumb that they’d rather leave their homes and be exiled to Britain humiliates the CCP.

    The thing is that the HKers don’t want to come to the UK. They just want the crude and unsubtle CCP to lay off them, and the HKers main weapon is humiliation.

  76. Anonymous[268] • Disclaimer says:

    ” UK officials discussed resettling 5.5m Hong Kong Chinese in Northern Ireland ”

    “Archives reveal debate in 1983 over bizarre idea of moving millions of Chinese to Northern Ireland at height of Troubles ahead of colony’s handover to Beijing”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/03/uk-officials-discussed-resettling-55m-hong-kong-chinese-in-northern-ireland

  77. @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Strangely enough, the ruling classes will likely be the most affronted by such a surge in high-ability human capital.

    I don’t think their kids have nightmares of inner city blacks taking away their chance of being Valedictorian.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/season-14-the-simpsons-14×7-3orif1VeFyDEt9fS4U

    • Agree: Sean
  78. Anon[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hannah Katz
    Only on these conditions:

    1. The Hong Kongers admitted to the UK must be admitted instead of those from third world outhouse nations like Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. So the net impact to immigration must equal zero or less.

    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.

    3. I bet some African nations would be happy to welcome highly trained Hong Kong businessmen, financial wizards, etc. Maybe Lagos could become the Hong Kong of Africa. Or something. And how about Latin America? They could create jobs in places like Honduras to keep the locals home and off that dangerous path through Mexico.

    Win, win.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wilkey, @anon

    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.

    The UK doesn’t have sovereignty anywhere besides the UK itself. It’s not in a position to make demands of other countries.

    Furthermore, despite what you might read in the mainstream media, except for perhaps the current president and administration of Taiwan, SE Asian countries generally have good relations with the PRC and are working on a free trade deal currently with the PRC.

  79. Sean says:
    @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    China coronavirus: Vancouver announces first case, a man …www.scmp.com › News › China. 29 Jan 2020 – Patient in his 40s ‘regularly travels to China for his work and was in Wuhan city on his most recent trip’, health official says

    Smoke weed in China and you will be jailed, but Fentanyl is perfectly legal to manufacture, To be specific the Fentanyl manufacturing capital of the world is Wuhan and Vancouver is where they launder the profits. Hence:-
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EU_6OAHX0AAGzEx?format=png

    https://themobmuseum.org/blog/chinese-triads-launder-billions-through-vancouver-buying-luxury-real-estate-cars/ The conspiracy, news of which has scandalized the province’s largest city, starts in China, where precursor drugs used to manufacture the deadly opioid fentanyl are shipped to the Port of Vancouver …dealers drop the money off with Chinese gamblers who launder it by purchasing betting chips at high-roller tables in the city’s casinos and cashing them out. They then deposit the “washed” money into underground banks that wire the funds back to China.

    Thereafter, the funds are transferred to shell companies – protected by Canadian privacy laws – and used to buy luxury homes and expensive cars in Vancouver. In 2018 $4 billion in real estate alone, which has increased the cost of homes in Vancouver by five percent. The bubble in prices is so large that the city’s residents complain they no longer can afford to buy a home.

    The quality of HK immigrants may be almost as high as the mass murdering Chines drug wholesalers in Ontario, but there is already not shortage of people wanting to migrate to Britain from all over the world and in fact all you need is a bit of money (recently reduced) to get the granted the right of entry and domicile. The society is going to be top heavy with elites if all those people are admitted and according to Turchin that is a recipe for chaos. But Boris is a classicist so he must know the lessons of history. On the other hand he seems to have already forgot where the disease that almost killed him last month came from.

  80. @anon
    Goodbye conservative party. Hello Chinese labor party. Democracy was a mistake.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva, @Hereward the Woke

    The problem with Democracy as practiced in the West these days is that Democracy has been domesticated by Plutocracy, the government by the people who control large amounts of mobile capital. As far as they are concerned acquisition of productive labour is a benefit, and complaints about the labourers ethnicity symptom of an outdated mind. Real Democracy would require restore the Supremacy of the polítical power over the economic power and only then could we have governments concerned with the interests of its citizens rather than pick fights with China to make the World safe Plutocracy.

  81. @Rob McX
    I always knew the Brexit Tories were much the same as the rest of the corrupt politicians. They complained about the EU usurping Britain's sovereignty, but when they were in power they didn't even avail themselves of the limited scope of action they were allowed to restrict immigration. Johnson pretends to be a different breed by cultivating a slightly eccentric persona and occasionally making un-PC comments, but he's just another politician who'd never do anything George Soros would disapprove of.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @Anonymous

    Yes,
    and Brexit never had anything to do with immigration. If anything it was to reduce white immigration and increase brown immigration. It’s sold to the brexiteers as Commmonwealth because obviously brexiteers are unable to grasp that New Zealand and Australia is a tiny part of the Commonwealth.

    • Disagree: LondonBob, YetAnotherAnon
  82. @VinnyVette
    @Buffalo Joe

    Fellow Buffalonian here brother... How's it going?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Vinny, just came back from Cleveland where you can get a hair cut and eat at a restaurant. Gas $1.77 per gallon and the toll boths on the Thruway are not manned, just drive through. Buffalo born and raised, suburbs now. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Buffalo Joe

    Nice! Same here born, suburbs... Thanks you too!

  83. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Maybe the US could do a trade – we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.
     
    I've got a better idea. How about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews, neocons, shitlibs, LGBTQ, antifa, BLM, illegal immigrants, in exchange for bringing back all our factories? We can even throw in the entire Ivy League to sweeten the deal since the Chinese so love them.

    Replies: @Jack D

    how about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews

    They all have to go back. I suggest that we set the date at 1619. Anyone with an ancestor arriving after that date is no damn good. The bar for achieving purity can never be set too high.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Nope. Immigrants are only trash after the Jews, Irish, Italians, Slavs, Chinese started arriving in large numbers in the mid 1800's. That's why the Immigration Act of 1924 needs to be reinstated.

    The only good immigrants are those from Protestant Europe. All others are varying heaps of garbage and should be sent packing.

  84. @PSR
    @Buffalo Joe

    Same here. I started visiting Toronto in the 80s, initally to see theater and opera, saw Phantom of the Opera at the Pantages in late 80s. Struck me as a very friendly, safe and clean city, overwhemingly white. It felt like a large midwestern U.S. city. I went back maybe six times during the 80s and 90s and every time it got dirtier and felt less safe and the population was less and less white. I haven't been in Toronto now for almost twenty years and have no desire to return, but I miss the city I first visited so long ago.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    PSR, all the big stage productions in smaller theatres at great prices, what’s not to like? I am 74 years old. In my youth my dad and I, with my uncle and my cousin used to drive up through Toronto, pre super highway days, to North Bay. Nothing around. Buffalo was gritty, but booming. Toronto looked like maybe a medium sized city in Kansas, certainly not like Buffalo, Rochester or Syracuse. Mining money and the financial capital of Canada changed all that.

  85. @Bill B.
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I've worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a 'cosmopolitan city' it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a "moral duty" to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I'd rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own 'exotic' cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    Replies: @UK, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Bill, very nice comment. I have visited HK and other than the fact that it is easy to get around because most speak English and signage is in English, it feels totally Chinese.

  86. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    I always knew the Brexit Tories were much the same as the rest of the corrupt politicians. They complained about the EU usurping Britain's sovereignty, but when they were in power they didn't even avail themselves of the limited scope of action they were allowed to restrict immigration. Johnson pretends to be a different breed by cultivating a slightly eccentric persona and occasionally making un-PC comments, but he's just another politician who'd never do anything George Soros would disapprove of.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @Anonymous

    The Rothschilds, a.k.a. founding family of Israel, who own the Financial Times and The Economist are the real rulers of the UK, Boris is just a puppet, like their other puppet in France, Macron. Their (((representatives))) on Wall Street and Vegas run the US. If you’ve read TE, you’d know they are the world’s biggest proponent of complete open borders, they should rename themselves The Globalist. I strongly believe Merkel was egged into taking in the 1m Muslims after the cover on TE: Let Them In, Let Them Work, with fairy tales describing these unskilled, rapist thugs as hardworking doctors, lawyers, journalists.

  87. @Jack D
    @Anonymous



    how about if we send China all of our non-white immigrants since 1965, many of whom are/were their own citizens, all our Jews

     

    They all have to go back. I suggest that we set the date at 1619. Anyone with an ancestor arriving after that date is no damn good. The bar for achieving purity can never be set too high.

    Replies: @Anon

    Nope. Immigrants are only trash after the Jews, Irish, Italians, Slavs, Chinese started arriving in large numbers in the mid 1800’s. That’s why the Immigration Act of 1924 needs to be reinstated.

    The only good immigrants are those from Protestant Europe. All others are varying heaps of garbage and should be sent packing.

  88. @IHTG
    This could be a good idea if it was a zero sum game where the Hong Kongers' visas came at the expense of other prospective immigrants, with the same annual cap. A decade of immigration from Hong Kong only.

    Replies: @Gordo, @ATBOTL

    What an utterly ridiculous comment. We don’t want to be replaced by anyone.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @ATBOTL

    You already are. So if you have the opportunity to choose who replaces you, you might as well take it.

  89. @Buffalo Joe
    @VinnyVette

    Vinny, just came back from Cleveland where you can get a hair cut and eat at a restaurant. Gas $1.77 per gallon and the toll boths on the Thruway are not manned, just drive through. Buffalo born and raised, suburbs now. Stay safe.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Nice! Same here born, suburbs… Thanks you too!

  90. @Change that Matters
    @utu

    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form 'part of the West'.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form ‘part of the West’.

    They have been steeped in freedom and individualism for a century and a half. So they differ from the anthills that are the rest of Asia. In many ways, Hong Kong is more like 1900 America than 2020 America is.

    Talk to modern Brits, and you’d think the national treasures were not the Magna Charta or the Petition of Right, but the NHS and the 1997 pistol ban.

    I’m not saying bring the Hong Kongers to London, just bring back those old British virtues.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    Talk to modern Brits, and you’d think the national treasures were not the Magna Charta or the Petition of Right, but the NHS and the 1997 pistol ban.
     
    William Beveridge, whose Beveridge Report was the blueprint for the welfare state and the NHS, was a eugenicist. In the Report he wrote:

    With its present rate of reproduction, the British race cannot continue; means of reversing the recent course of the birth rate must be found.
     
    From Wikipedia:

    Dennis Sewell states that "On the day the House of Commons met to debate the Beveridge Report in 1943, its author slipped out of the gallery early in the evening to address a meeting of the Eugenics Society at the Mansion House. ... His report, he was keen to reassure them, was eugenic in intent and would prove so in effect..."
     
  91. Boris to Go Full Merkel?

    Remember that time when Theresa May went full Merkel jacket?

  92. @TGGP
    @Anonymous

    I'd happily give the "best jobs" to people who do the best job. I wouldn't want to die on an operating table out of your desire not to be "pathetic".

    Replies: @peterike, @Anonymous, @ATBOTL

    People are like you are what is killing the West.

  93. @Billy Shears
    Liberals realize that China demonstrates the weakness of liberalism and so their solution is to just move every victim away; problem solved. It's a deus ex machina to save liberalism.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Liberals realize that China demonstrates the weakness of liberalism and so their solution is to just move every victim away; problem solved. It’s a deus ex machina to save liberalism.

    Exactly which of the many “liberalisms” are you referring to? Progressivism, the Bill of Rights (1689 or 1789), or something in the vast gap between?

  94. @utu
    This is not about immigration. This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up, that the United Kingdom and the West are with them in their struggle to preserve sovereignty, that Hongkongese are part of the West not part of China.

    Replies: @Change that Matters, @Kent Nationalist, @Redneck farmer, @RichardTaylor, @West Reanimator, @Wilkey

    This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up…

    Oh bullshit. This is a message saying, loud and clear, to the people of Hong Kong: “GIVE UP AND YOU CAN MOVE TO BRITAIN.”

    Certainly there are lots of Hong King zillionaires who have business ties there and want to stay there to preserve their wealth. But the vast majority of Hong Kong’s middle and lower classes will take it as an invitation to stop fighting and leave.

    It’s also a message, loud and clear, to China: “Keep oppressing Hong Kong and we’ll let you conquer Great Britain, too.”

    How f-cking stupid can our leaders be? Part of the reason Boris won the Brexit referendum was pointing out that a million or more Turks would move to Britain if ever Turkey became a member of the EU. Now he’s offering residence to *3 million Chinese*.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Wilkey

    It's useful to have some figures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult


    Median wealth
    #1 Switzerland 227,891
    #2 Australia 181,361
    #3 Iceland 165,961
    #4 Hong Kong 146,887

    #12 United Kingdom 97,452
    #22 United States 65,904

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

  95. @Kronos
    @TelfoedJohn

    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise.

    “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise. “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”

    I don’t think the UK has any actual ceiling on immigration. So what you’ll end up with his both, along with millions of more votes for politicians that support open borders. Conservatives – or maybe “conservatives” – have barely been winning elections as it is. Let’s tip the scales permanently in the Left’s favor, shall we?

    No matter how conservative Asians may personally be, in Western countries they vote for liberals. Because conservatism is about conserving the dominant culture, not their own.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Wilkey


    Conservatives – or maybe “conservatives” – have barely been winning elections as it is.
     
    I think you might need to educate yourself on UK politics.
  96. @Hannah Katz
    Only on these conditions:

    1. The Hong Kongers admitted to the UK must be admitted instead of those from third world outhouse nations like Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. So the net impact to immigration must equal zero or less.

    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.

    3. I bet some African nations would be happy to welcome highly trained Hong Kong businessmen, financial wizards, etc. Maybe Lagos could become the Hong Kong of Africa. Or something. And how about Latin America? They could create jobs in places like Honduras to keep the locals home and off that dangerous path through Mexico.

    Win, win.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wilkey, @anon

    If relocating people from Hong Kong is to actually happen, then your plan makes by far the most sense. Which is why it probably won’t actually happen.

    China might not mind millions of people moving from Hong Kong to the UK, because that would eventually lead to huge Chinese influence over that country. But Singapore and Taiwan are already controlled by the Chinese, so they would take the economic hit and gain nothing.

    As it is, Raab’s plan is basically a big giant middle finger to ethnically British people in the UK, who can barely afford to live in their native land.

  97. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson = A barf expelled ’is fond, free johnson.

  98. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    Merkelism was about “Come, we will feed you.”

    Borisism is about “Come and feed us.”

    Boris figures Hong Kongers will come with lots of cash to infuse into UK economy.

    Anyway, there are two kinds of conservatives. Blood and Soil types and Cash and Privilege types.

    Former is about culture and identity, the latter is about hierarchy and privilege. Though globalism is branded as ‘liberal’, it is neo-aristocratic in favoring elites around the world. Boris, a globalist-elitist, favors the rich in Hong Kong over the white poor in UK.

    He is scum.

  99. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, General Tso's chickens.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    My favorite! Yum!

  100. @Jack D
    Letting in any immigrants anywhere in any Western country is not going to be popular among the unz crowd but HKers are in no way, shape or form similar to Merkel's Millions. The quality of the human capital is vastly higher. Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Maybe the US could do a trade - we would send all of our blacks to China in exchange for HKers. I would take that deal in a NY minute.

    Replies: @Coag, @Anonymous, @Lot, @Kronos, @Sean, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The quality of the human capital is vastly higher.

    Not compared to white natives: On visual phenotypical considerations alone, (East) Asians in aggregate fail. Add their bugman hive-like social structures, and it’s a big HBD loss for Vancouver.

    Vancouver has been transformed by Chinese immigration but in no way destroyed.

    Well, not literally destroyed; the buildings still stand. Demographically, though…

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  101. world champions of mask-wearing immigration to most mask-hating western country? Sounds like a cultural shock incoming

  102. I have just two words for Boris, “Mariel Boatlift”.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    ..."Mariel Boatlift"
     
    From not only Hong Kong, but everywhere else.
  103. @Kent Nationalist
    The worst is the gay libertarians fantasising about how much of the countryside they can destroy to build Chinese hive-cities

    The arrival of a couple of million enterprising Hong Kongers would be a huge economic boost as we emerge from the Covid recession, and show what Global Britain really means. Should we build a new charter city, a Hong Kong of our own, so to speak? If so, where? 🇬🇧🇭🇰— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) May 30, 2020
     

    My personal preference is that some very NIMBY, but unexceptional, outer London commuter town, such as Guildford, St Albans or Brighton, be made the charter city and Hong Kong-style densities be allowed.— Brighton Yimby (@BrightonYimby) May 28, 2020
     

    The only reason the UK wouldn't set up a charter city for ALL Hong Kongers, on some empty piece of land on the coast somewhere, is that it seems weird and unprecedented. There is no good argument against it. If it took off it would turn the UK into a powerhouse 👍🇬🇧— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) May 28, 2020
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @AKAHorace, @Veracitor

    Hong Kongers would provide ‘huge economic boost’, ‘turn UK into a powerhouse’, they say.

    Libertardians seem to think that movie “Crazy Rich Asians” was about average folks in HK instead of plutocrats in Singapore.

    What a bunch of maroons. Nearly everyone in Hong Kong is very poor. The 2018 Hong Kong median household income was USD $3,500 (HKD 27,000). About ninety percent of Hong Kongers would go on the dole the instant they got to England and never get off it.

    (For comparison: Greek median household income about USD $58,000, over sixteen times as much as HK!)

    HK is many, many urban peasants, a few oligarchs, and some foreigners working for the oligarchs. The foreigners can always go back to their own countries if they lose their jobs in HK banks and so-on. The oligarchs can bribe their way into other countries (most already have; they purchased foreign passports and retirement villas long ago). Only the urban peasants would have trouble leaving HK because no other country would actually want them— or at least, no actual citizens of other countries would want them, just evil politicians inflicting “divide and conquer” on their own peoples.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @FactChecker2020
    @Veracitor

    Garbage stats. People, just google it.
    The average per capita income of HK is 49K USD, higher than that of U.K., and over 60% HIGHER than that of Greece.
    The median income you list is ... MONTHLY.

    , @Veracitor
    @Veracitor

    I messed up! I confused a monthly household median income in Hong Kong for an annual one.

    The HK 2018 annual household median income is USD $42,000. That is still quite a bit less than Greece. Greek households get 1.4 times as much as HK households— but not 16 times as much.

    I apologize for the error.

    I still maintain that most Hong Kongers are poor urban peasants who would not be a valuable addition to any Western country. Certainly they would not create an “economic powerhouse” anywhere just by their mere presence.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @The Last Real Calvinist

  104. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hannah Katz
    Only on these conditions:

    1. The Hong Kongers admitted to the UK must be admitted instead of those from third world outhouse nations like Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. So the net impact to immigration must equal zero or less.

    2. Some of the emigrants from Hong Kong must be diverted to places with established Chinese majorities, like Taiwan and Singapore. Also those with large Chinese communities already established, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. This will hold the numbers headed to England down and avoid swamping the British housing market.

    3. I bet some African nations would be happy to welcome highly trained Hong Kong businessmen, financial wizards, etc. Maybe Lagos could become the Hong Kong of Africa. Or something. And how about Latin America? They could create jobs in places like Honduras to keep the locals home and off that dangerous path through Mexico.

    Win, win.

    Replies: @Anon, @Wilkey, @anon

    I have read that plenty of places in Italy offer residence to people who want to come and settle in their rural villages.

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/italy-cammarata-free-houses/index.html

    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants (and capital to boot too). For the Bell Curve enthusiasts, most HKers are at least one SD to the right side of most Europeans.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @anon


    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants...
     
    LOL!

    Time to look up the definition of "benefit".

    Why this pretension to improve the world through immigration?

    Replies: @anon

  105. @Edward
    Excellent move from Johnson and his Cabinet. Johnson himself has a Muslim grandparent, and is of mixed heritage. Rishi Sunak, the extremely intelligent Chancellor (currently the most popular politician in Britain) is of Indian heritage. The Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, is of Jewish heritage. The Home Secretary, Priti Patel, is of Indian heritage. The Attorney General is of Indian heritage, as is the Business Secretary.

    Dominic Cummings himself is a globalist, and cares more about AI than about English natives.

    The Ugandan and Kenyan Indians assimilated very well, and are extremely successful: the Hong Kong refugees will be too. I like this globalist Conservative Party a lot, apart from the Brexit stuff.

    Replies: @notsaying, @bomag

    What do you need several millions more people in the UK to do? Like the US you have had decades of mass migration. Like the rest of the world the UK will experience the massive permanent destruction of jobs due to technology that presidential candidate Andrew Yung warned about.

    Most of these people will be average folks, not geniuses or rich. So why are you so eager to have them all like it’s nothing?

  106. This idea was conceived by Dominic Raab who’s Foreign Secretary. Guess which ethnic group he belongs to, yawn same every time.

  107. @anon
    Goodbye conservative party. Hello Chinese labor party. Democracy was a mistake.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva, @Hereward the Woke

    Dunno, racial politics operate somewhat differently in the UK. It’s not implausible Hong Kongers would vote Tory like Jews do.

  108. @Gordo
    Yes they all see here a way of planting millions more non-Whites in White countries, UK in the lead with Australia and the US coming up fast from behind.

    White countries are to be genocided, the plan is well underway.

    No-one of the usual suspects suggesting that since these Chinamen are so bloody marvellous that Rwanda or Tanzania would benefit even more from their entry?

    Bloody Johnson's Indian Home Secretary Priti Patel isn't suggesting that they go to India or her other love Israel.

    Only White countries must be destroyed.

    Replies: @alt right moderate

    Perhaps if people like you spent more time helping their own race, rather than obsessing over other races in hyperbolic language, you might actually win some support and have some influence over the situation.

    • Replies: @Exile
    @alt right moderate

    If you counter-signal raycisms hard enough, Orange Man will win, lock her up, drain the swamp & build the wall, amirite?

    "Alt-anything-moderate" is an oxymoron - a tepid, weak-sauce pose straight out of the focus groups of the consultant class and controlled opposition.

    Positive identity, optics, appeal to normies - the whole thing is a grift to get Trump's abandoned race-aware White coalition of the non-partisan to vote Orange Man one more time for Israel and to support Europe's co-opted fake national populist leaders like Salvini & Mx. LePen.

  109. @anon
    @Hannah Katz

    I have read that plenty of places in Italy offer residence to people who want to come and settle in their rural villages.

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/italy-cammarata-free-houses/index.html

    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants (and capital to boot too). For the Bell Curve enthusiasts, most HKers are at least one SD to the right side of most Europeans.

    Replies: @bomag

    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants…

    LOL!

    Time to look up the definition of “benefit”.

    Why this pretension to improve the world through immigration?

    • Replies: @anon
    @bomag

    Lot's of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don't get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs - as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag

  110. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I have just two words for Boris, "Mariel Boatlift".

    Replies: @bomag

    …”Mariel Boatlift”

    From not only Hong Kong, but everywhere else.

  111. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon

    Toronto seems to be the place that lets anybody and everybody in. Or it's the place everybody ends up. At least that's what it seems like, because every palooka from any country on Earth that I have ever met who emigrated to Canada lives in Toronto.

    If you're a Canadian, please tell us, what gives? What is it about Toronto?

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Buffalo Joe, @Anon7

    Fortunately, Michiganders have Detroit guarding the border. Anyone who looks across and sees a majority black city, especially one that periodically gets set on fire, will think twice before crossing.

    Unfortunately, many illegals (probably 50,000 Somalis) have now crossing into Minnesota instead, with the results you’re seeing now on your TVs. Toronto has the international airports they fly into.

  112. @Edward
    Excellent move from Johnson and his Cabinet. Johnson himself has a Muslim grandparent, and is of mixed heritage. Rishi Sunak, the extremely intelligent Chancellor (currently the most popular politician in Britain) is of Indian heritage. The Foreign Secretary, Dominic Raab, is of Jewish heritage. The Home Secretary, Priti Patel, is of Indian heritage. The Attorney General is of Indian heritage, as is the Business Secretary.

    Dominic Cummings himself is a globalist, and cares more about AI than about English natives.

    The Ugandan and Kenyan Indians assimilated very well, and are extremely successful: the Hong Kong refugees will be too. I like this globalist Conservative Party a lot, apart from the Brexit stuff.

    Replies: @notsaying, @bomag

    The _______ assimilated very well, and are extremely successful

    Why be so anxious to assimilate the Other? Why not raise up more of your own, who will be part of society from the beginning?

  113. I don’t live there so my opinion is merely a victimless crime, if even that.

    But say, a million Hong Kongers might be what the UK needs. Most will be very anti communist/socialist and perhaps just what the English Soft Police State needs now.

    They may out hustle and out compete both the natives and immigrants there. And they aren’t subject to the diversity brain disease of lazy white natives there.

    I dunno. Everything I read about the UK says it is already corrupt and infected with utopian statism of the worst kind. No rights any more, no free speech, even the supposed conservatives barely stand up for individual rights. A million pissed off Chinese can’t hurt. They will displace the neo-Marxist intelligentsia there within a decade and a new, tough minded leadership might emerge.

    “Get off the dole, you lazy sots! If you don’t like it here, go back to where you came from.”

  114. @alt right moderate
    @Gordo

    Perhaps if people like you spent more time helping their own race, rather than obsessing over other races in hyperbolic language, you might actually win some support and have some influence over the situation.

    Replies: @Exile

    If you counter-signal raycisms hard enough, Orange Man will win, lock her up, drain the swamp & build the wall, amirite?

    “Alt-anything-moderate” is an oxymoron – a tepid, weak-sauce pose straight out of the focus groups of the consultant class and controlled opposition.

    Positive identity, optics, appeal to normies – the whole thing is a grift to get Trump’s abandoned race-aware White coalition of the non-partisan to vote Orange Man one more time for Israel and to support Europe’s co-opted fake national populist leaders like Salvini & Mx. LePen.

    • LOL: IHTG
  115. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I've worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a 'cosmopolitan city' it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a "moral duty" to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I'd rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own 'exotic' cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    Replies: @UK, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Cantonese speaking Chinese (all HKers) are the most Chinesey of all Chinese, it’s impossible to make these people into anything but Chinese, no matter where they live. Cantonese is the coarsest sounding, most hideous language on earth and anyone used to speaking that bedeviled tongue will never be able to speak any other language without a hideous accent. Almost all Chinatowns all over the world are started by the Cantonese, esp. in the West, it’s why they always stay 100% Chinese in character, complete with the filth and grime and disgusting wet markets, and majority of people who live in Chinatowns can’t speak a word of English, even after living there for a lifetime. High IQ my eye. Cantonese are some of the nastiest, rudest people around, every bit as pushy, unscrupulous and corruptible as the Jews.

    The British forced their way into China to make China open up for trade, forcefully taking HK as a trading outpost while waging their opium war against China. If they want to further destroy their country by taking in all 7m of these uncouth unpleasant louts, then perhaps it’s their just deserts. Brits are the original globohomos, it’s only fitting that they are now being reverse colonized.

    In retrospect, Brexit was probably the best thing to happen to the EU.

  116. @Unit472
    Taiwan’s Tsai Ing Wen is offering to resettle those who wish to leave. The UK and other Western nations should provide aid in support of this. I have no idea how many Hong Kong residents will leave but everyone who does makes Taiwan stronger which is why China has denounced the plan and will probably physically invade Hong Kong to stop any large scale migration.

    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal
    cities.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @Fidelios Automata

    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal cities.

    I wonder how effective generating an EMP over Formosa might be, in terms of aiding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    "I wonder how effective generating an EMP over Formosa might be, in terms of aiding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan?"

    Probably just a little?


    Horton and his colleagues at EPRI spent the last three years simulating what happens when E1 waves ripple through the equipment used in power stations. This included actually zapping transformers and transmissions lines with high-frequency pulses and building substation housing out of different materials and putting them to the test to see how the electronics inside held up.

    The results showed that although some parts of power lines and transformer equipment were damaged by the pulses, they weren’t as drastically affected as some predictions presumed. And with the control houses, some structures held up better than others — namely the ones made with mostly metal, not concrete. The conductive qualities of metal make the control house act like a Faraday Cage, absorbing and dissipating the incoming energy so none reaches the electronics inside. While the modern-day metal control house designs weren’t totally EMP-proof, they did have better shielding qualities than their concrete counterparts.

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/scientists-are-zapping-fake-electrical-grids-to-help-us-survive-an-emp
     
  117. @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn


    I’d happily let millions of HK Chinese in if it meant no other immigration.

    Look at the standard of doctors for instance:
     
    You’d happily give your country’s best jobs to foreigners? You are pathetic.

    Replies: @TGGP, @Dumbo, @thud

    Why not? you did.

  118. @Veracitor
    @Kent Nationalist

    Hong Kongers would provide ‘huge economic boost’, ‘turn UK into a powerhouse’, they say.

    Libertardians seem to think that movie “Crazy Rich Asians” was about average folks in HK instead of plutocrats in Singapore.

    What a bunch of maroons. Nearly everyone in Hong Kong is very poor. The 2018 Hong Kong median household income was USD $3,500 (HKD 27,000). About ninety percent of Hong Kongers would go on the dole the instant they got to England and never get off it.

    (For comparison: Greek median household income about USD $58,000, over sixteen times as much as HK!)

    HK is many, many urban peasants, a few oligarchs, and some foreigners working for the oligarchs. The foreigners can always go back to their own countries if they lose their jobs in HK banks and so-on. The oligarchs can bribe their way into other countries (most already have; they purchased foreign passports and retirement villas long ago). Only the urban peasants would have trouble leaving HK because no other country would actually want them— or at least, no actual citizens of other countries would want them, just evil politicians inflicting “divide and conquer” on their own peoples.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @Veracitor

    Garbage stats. People, just google it.
    The average per capita income of HK is 49K USD, higher than that of U.K., and over 60% HIGHER than that of Greece.
    The median income you list is … MONTHLY.

  119. @Bill B.
    @Uk


    The talk will infuriate the CCP though, who are the most “face” obsessed organisation in the world.

    Dim commenters on Unz have always missed that.
     

    Eh? Boris removing troublesome Hongkongers suits the CCP just fine.

    And Boris is empty-headed enough to do this. The great mistake of self-styled China watchers is attempting to read the CCP as if it were the Delphic Oracle. It is rather a crude and unsubtle regime.

    After World War Two there were about half a million people in Hong Kong which had been a smallish trading entrepôt. Its population boomed because waves of Chinese moved across the border for decades; typically evading the British forces to do so. Later, as China grew up, Hong Kong evolved into a financial and legal center that expanded as China did.

    I've worked in Hong Kong and liked it. But the people consider themselves, ferociously so, Chinese not Western. It is not a 'cosmopolitan city' it is a Chinese one. The local business culture has a tendency to hard corruption kept in check only by a fierce anti-corruption agency.

    The Hong Kong people are quite smart, fairly hard-working, but not innovative. It was once suggested back before the 1997 hand-over of sovereignty that all the people of Hong Kong should be moved to a Scottish island to turn create an economic powerhouse.

    This asinine suggestion echoes many of the current calls for a great slice of the people of Hong Kong to be brought to the UK. It is not clear at all that the British have a "moral duty" to offer help to people who never identified or empathized with the British even if they appreciated the administration of a quite competent government under impartial law.

    A few years ago the head of the London Triad Unit (as it was then) told me that every Chinese restaurant in greater London pays off the Triads because of an atavistic fear. I'd rather have Hong Kong people than Somalis but they do not come without their own 'exotic' cultural baggage.

    N.B. I am shocked, shocked that pundits in the MSM and the blogosphere should imply that some races might have a usefully higher IQ than others.

    Replies: @UK, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Bill is right. Hong Kong is a Chinese city in terms of culture.

    There seem to be some common misapprehensions about HK’s past floating around these days.

    HK has never been independent. It was a British colony until 1997, and then was turned directly over to PRC control. There has never been a point when HK people were in control of their own destiny, or experienced the political ‘freedom’ the US media suggests is being eliminated.

    What HK does have is the rule of law, and economic freedom. These factors — along with its superb harbor — have been the key to its economic success. It’s been a place in which, for many decades, business can be conducted relatively stress-free, and at low cost.

    But there has never been a ‘democratic’ election that actually mattered here. Yes, we have elections for local officials, but the choice of HK’s leader, the seat of real power, has never been up for grabs. Before 1997, HK’s governors were simply appointed by the UK.

    HK people do make good immigrants on the whole. They don’t expect to go on the dole, and they are not going to be lawbreakers or agitators. Their kids will study hard and try to fit in. But they’re human, and of course therefore not perfect.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But there has never been a ‘democratic’ election that actually mattered here. Yes, we have elections for local officials, but the choice of HK’s leader, the seat of real power, has never been up for grabs. Before 1997, HK’s governors were simply appointed by the UK.
     
    Hong Kong did not have a local legislature, long after other Crown colonies did, because this was a Communist red line. Set one up, and the PLA would, shortly after, overrun the place.
  120. @Veracitor
    @Kent Nationalist

    Hong Kongers would provide ‘huge economic boost’, ‘turn UK into a powerhouse’, they say.

    Libertardians seem to think that movie “Crazy Rich Asians” was about average folks in HK instead of plutocrats in Singapore.

    What a bunch of maroons. Nearly everyone in Hong Kong is very poor. The 2018 Hong Kong median household income was USD $3,500 (HKD 27,000). About ninety percent of Hong Kongers would go on the dole the instant they got to England and never get off it.

    (For comparison: Greek median household income about USD $58,000, over sixteen times as much as HK!)

    HK is many, many urban peasants, a few oligarchs, and some foreigners working for the oligarchs. The foreigners can always go back to their own countries if they lose their jobs in HK banks and so-on. The oligarchs can bribe their way into other countries (most already have; they purchased foreign passports and retirement villas long ago). Only the urban peasants would have trouble leaving HK because no other country would actually want them— or at least, no actual citizens of other countries would want them, just evil politicians inflicting “divide and conquer” on their own peoples.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @Veracitor

    I messed up! I confused a monthly household median income in Hong Kong for an annual one.

    The HK 2018 annual household median income is USD $42,000. That is still quite a bit less than Greece. Greek households get 1.4 times as much as HK households— but not 16 times as much.

    I apologize for the error.

    I still maintain that most Hong Kongers are poor urban peasants who would not be a valuable addition to any Western country. Certainly they would not create an “economic powerhouse” anywhere just by their mere presence.

    • Replies: @FactChecker2020
    @Veracitor

    More garbage data. Or deliberately misleading?
    Why don’t you compare per capita median income?
    Household sizes aren’t accounted for, fool!

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Veracitor

    Hong Kong is a rich, post-industrial city. Its citizens are, in my experience, far more sophisticated than average Americans when it comes to economics. When they emigrate to western countries, they tend to end up middle to (very often) upper-middle class.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  121. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I would take Hong Kong over 21st century England in a heartbeat. Most will not move, though many might apply for a passport just in case.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I would take Hong Kong over 21st century England in a heartbeat. Most will not move, though many might apply for a passport just in case.

    This is quite plausible. In the runup to the 1997 handover, thousands of HK people ’emigrated’ to western countries — and then many of them came rushing back in the following years as the HK economy boomed.

  122. @Veracitor
    @Veracitor

    I messed up! I confused a monthly household median income in Hong Kong for an annual one.

    The HK 2018 annual household median income is USD $42,000. That is still quite a bit less than Greece. Greek households get 1.4 times as much as HK households— but not 16 times as much.

    I apologize for the error.

    I still maintain that most Hong Kongers are poor urban peasants who would not be a valuable addition to any Western country. Certainly they would not create an “economic powerhouse” anywhere just by their mere presence.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @The Last Real Calvinist

    More garbage data. Or deliberately misleading?
    Why don’t you compare per capita median income?
    Household sizes aren’t accounted for, fool!

  123. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag
    @anon


    Plenty of places with below replacement population grown can benefit from influx of high quality immigrants...
     
    LOL!

    Time to look up the definition of "benefit".

    Why this pretension to improve the world through immigration?

    Replies: @anon

    Lot’s of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don’t get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs – as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon


    Lot’s of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don’t get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs – as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.
     
    They can just not allow immigrants in to dilute or displace them. The natives’ populations 20 years ago were far smaller than now, and they weren’t collapsing then.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman

    , @bomag
    @anon


    ...they will be filled with Africans and Arabs
     
    Separate problems:

    ) You better control the influx of Africans and Arabs; "high quality" immigrants from Asia will be of no help, and will probably exacerbate the influx.

    ) I'm not sure depopulation in today's environment is a problem. Looks more like a rational course of action to improve the quality of life via allowing more resources per person.

    ) "Better living by importing high quality immigrants" strikes me as utterly fallacious; one of those things pushed by those with an agenda.

  124. @Veracitor
    @Veracitor

    I messed up! I confused a monthly household median income in Hong Kong for an annual one.

    The HK 2018 annual household median income is USD $42,000. That is still quite a bit less than Greece. Greek households get 1.4 times as much as HK households— but not 16 times as much.

    I apologize for the error.

    I still maintain that most Hong Kongers are poor urban peasants who would not be a valuable addition to any Western country. Certainly they would not create an “economic powerhouse” anywhere just by their mere presence.

    Replies: @FactChecker2020, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Hong Kong is a rich, post-industrial city. Its citizens are, in my experience, far more sophisticated than average Americans when it comes to economics. When they emigrate to western countries, they tend to end up middle to (very often) upper-middle class.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Hong Kong is a rich, post-industrial city. Its citizens are, in my experience, far more sophisticated than average Americans when it comes to economics. When they emigrate to western countries, they tend to end up middle to (very often) upper-middle class.
     
    Thereby pushing the natives further down the ladder.
  125. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    Boris's delusions of grandeur were shown by his Brexit plan of turning the UK into a low-tax, lightly regulated "Singapore-on-Thames. He is-- as he has always been--focused on the interest of globalizing City banks, which would be fine if he was still London Mayor or a London Member Of Parliament representing the particular interests of his constituency, but now he is a Prime Minister he has not broadened his perspective and thinks the whole of Britain can keep running on the capital's financial swashbucklers. Actually, the area that a real comparative advantage exists in for London is not venture capitalism at all, but 'family offices' (each a billionaire's secret wealth management operation).

    In total the UK is a medium sized country with control highly centralised in a city where American tech zillionaires pursue staid investment strategies with their family fortunes, while the kids of Russian oligarchs and corrupt Chicom officials are educated and have fun for a few years. The Chinese tried in the noughties and got burned, as when PetroChina took a stake in the British oil refiner Ineos and suffered a series of strikes. No one in China sees the UK as somewhere to make money or do business. Johnson thought London finance's access to EU countries would still be the, but the EU made clear City banks would not continue to enjoy the same access to the EU while free from EU regulation that Cameron had got in the negotiations before the Brexit referendum. So Johnson had all his eggs in the shakey China basket. At the end of January he gave China's Huawei the 5g contract for Britain. Until February China had insisted with obscure menaces that no country suspend flights to or from China.

    Only Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, and India, who have primordial distrust of China escaped the straight-out-of-Wunan pandemic. The WHO between 12-22 January passed on a message to the whole wide world from China that the Wuhan disease had shown no signs of sustained transmissibility, China had certainly found out that was not true by the 23rd of January when they instituted an absolute air and land condoning of off and internal closedown of Wuhan. However China did bit pass on this tidbit, they just left everyone else to find out for themselves that the Wuhan disease would cause a global wildfire pandemic.

    A traditional Chinese method paying off the barbarians through their families. It was through an Email list mistake by Johnson's father Stanley that a journalist found out Stanley had met with the Chinese ambassador about 'environmental issues' (folding green more like) and received a complaint from Xi, which was why on like a good little boy, on 18 Feb 2020 ‘I love China,’ Boris Johnson told Xi Jinping in a call about coronavirus.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Only Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, and India, who have primordial distrust of China escaped the straight-out-of-Wunan pandemic. The WHO between 12-22 January passed on a message to the whole wide world from China that the Wuhan disease had shown no signs of sustained transmissibility, China had certainly found out that was not true by the 23rd of January when they instituted an absolute air and land condoning of off and internal closedown of Wuhan. However China did bit pass on this tidbit, they just left everyone else to find out for themselves that the Wuhan disease would cause a global wildfire pandemic.

    China confirmed on January 20th that there was human to human transmission, and then locked down Wuhan 2 days later on January 22nd.

    Air Seoul suspended China flights starting on January 28th. British Airways suspended them a day later on January 29th. Another Korean airline, JejuAir, didn’t suspend China routes until March 1st. The main and largest Korean airline, Korean Air, maintained some Chinese routes until February 22nd. By contrast, Delta and some other US airlines suspended China routes earlier starting February 2nd.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-airlines-factbox/factbox-airlines-suspend-flights-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN20P2YY

  126. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Bill B.

    Bill is right. Hong Kong is a Chinese city in terms of culture.

    There seem to be some common misapprehensions about HK's past floating around these days.

    HK has never been independent. It was a British colony until 1997, and then was turned directly over to PRC control. There has never been a point when HK people were in control of their own destiny, or experienced the political 'freedom' the US media suggests is being eliminated.

    What HK does have is the rule of law, and economic freedom. These factors -- along with its superb harbor -- have been the key to its economic success. It's been a place in which, for many decades, business can be conducted relatively stress-free, and at low cost.

    But there has never been a 'democratic' election that actually mattered here. Yes, we have elections for local officials, but the choice of HK's leader, the seat of real power, has never been up for grabs. Before 1997, HK's governors were simply appointed by the UK.

    HK people do make good immigrants on the whole. They don't expect to go on the dole, and they are not going to be lawbreakers or agitators. Their kids will study hard and try to fit in. But they're human, and of course therefore not perfect.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    But there has never been a ‘democratic’ election that actually mattered here. Yes, we have elections for local officials, but the choice of HK’s leader, the seat of real power, has never been up for grabs. Before 1997, HK’s governors were simply appointed by the UK.

    Hong Kong did not have a local legislature, long after other Crown colonies did, because this was a Communist red line. Set one up, and the PLA would, shortly after, overrun the place.

  127. @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Unit472


    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal cities.
     
    I wonder how effective generating an EMP over Formosa might be, in terms of aiding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan?

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    “I wonder how effective generating an EMP over Formosa might be, in terms of aiding a Chinese invasion of Taiwan?”

    Probably just a little?

    Horton and his colleagues at EPRI spent the last three years simulating what happens when E1 waves ripple through the equipment used in power stations. This included actually zapping transformers and transmissions lines with high-frequency pulses and building substation housing out of different materials and putting them to the test to see how the electronics inside held up.

    The results showed that although some parts of power lines and transformer equipment were damaged by the pulses, they weren’t as drastically affected as some predictions presumed. And with the control houses, some structures held up better than others — namely the ones made with mostly metal, not concrete. The conductive qualities of metal make the control house act like a Faraday Cage, absorbing and dissipating the incoming energy so none reaches the electronics inside. While the modern-day metal control house designs weren’t totally EMP-proof, they did have better shielding qualities than their concrete counterparts.

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/scientists-are-zapping-fake-electrical-grids-to-help-us-survive-an-emp

  128. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles
    @Kent Nationalist

    Weird reasoning by twitter thinkers. Just dump them in London as usual.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Actually, a lot of Chinese settle in Cambridgeshire. They really like living near the university.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Anonymous

    They really like living everywhere, which is why there are millions of them wherever you go. And now it's Africans too.

  129. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @bomag

    Lot's of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don't get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs - as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag

    Lot’s of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don’t get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs – as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.

    They can just not allow immigrants in to dilute or displace them. The natives’ populations 20 years ago were far smaller than now, and they weren’t collapsing then.

    • Replies: @but an humble craftsman
    @Anonymous

    This cannot be stressed enough: the decline in population is by itself not seriously problematic, as Europe is very densely populated anyway.

    Combined with the ongoing import of a replacement population this may very well be catastrophic for indigenous populations.

    Needlessly so.

  130. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Veracitor

    Hong Kong is a rich, post-industrial city. Its citizens are, in my experience, far more sophisticated than average Americans when it comes to economics. When they emigrate to western countries, they tend to end up middle to (very often) upper-middle class.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Hong Kong is a rich, post-industrial city. Its citizens are, in my experience, far more sophisticated than average Americans when it comes to economics. When they emigrate to western countries, they tend to end up middle to (very often) upper-middle class.

    Thereby pushing the natives further down the ladder.

    • Agree: bomag
  131. Ideologies come and go. Genes trump everything. A hundred years from now, communism will probably be a distant memory and capitalism will have changed too. But the Chinese will be Chinese and the HKC will have more in common with their co-ethnics than with anyone else.

  132. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    We’ve been here before. Back in 2010, a lot of people were suspicious of the BNP/UKIP because of all the shady/fringe characters involved with them. So when Cameron promised to slash immigration everybody rushed in relief to vote for the Tories. Of course, immigration only increased. The final straw was the refugee crisis, when Cameron did a mini-Merkel and brought tens of thousands of Syrians into the country. There was huge anger over this betrayal. (Probably not unrelated: the ‘piggate’ story broke shortly afterwards.) That was probably also the moment Brexit became inevitable.

  133. @Reg Cæsar
    @Change that Matters


    Hong Kong is in no way, shape or form ‘part of the West’.
     
    They have been steeped in freedom and individualism for a century and a half. So they differ from the anthills that are the rest of Asia. In many ways, Hong Kong is more like 1900 America than 2020 America is.

    Talk to modern Brits, and you'd think the national treasures were not the Magna Charta or the Petition of Right, but the NHS and the 1997 pistol ban.

    I'm not saying bring the Hong Kongers to London, just bring back those old British virtues.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Talk to modern Brits, and you’d think the national treasures were not the Magna Charta or the Petition of Right, but the NHS and the 1997 pistol ban.

    William Beveridge, whose Beveridge Report was the blueprint for the welfare state and the NHS, was a eugenicist. In the Report he wrote:

    With its present rate of reproduction, the British race cannot continue; means of reversing the recent course of the birth rate must be found.

    From Wikipedia:

    Dennis Sewell states that “On the day the House of Commons met to debate the Beveridge Report in 1943, its author slipped out of the gallery early in the evening to address a meeting of the Eugenics Society at the Mansion House. … His report, he was keen to reassure them, was eugenic in intent and would prove so in effect…”

  134. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:

    The Guardian actually opposed creation of the NHS on eugenic grounds. This has been airbrushed out of history.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anonymous

    It also supported the South in the American Civil War.

  135. @Anonymous
    The Guardian actually opposed creation of the NHS on eugenic grounds. This has been airbrushed out of history.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It also supported the South in the American Civil War.

  136. @Wilkey
    @utu


    This is a message of support to Hongkongese to not give up...
     
    Oh bullshit. This is a message saying, loud and clear, to the people of Hong Kong: "GIVE UP AND YOU CAN MOVE TO BRITAIN."

    Certainly there are lots of Hong King zillionaires who have business ties there and want to stay there to preserve their wealth. But the vast majority of Hong Kong's middle and lower classes will take it as an invitation to stop fighting and leave.

    It's also a message, loud and clear, to China: "Keep oppressing Hong Kong and we'll let you conquer Great Britain, too."

    How f-cking stupid can our leaders be? Part of the reason Boris won the Brexit referendum was pointing out that a million or more Turks would move to Britain if ever Turkey became a member of the EU. Now he's offering residence to *3 million Chinese*.

    Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV

    It’s useful to have some figures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult

    Median wealth
    #1 Switzerland 227,891
    #2 Australia 181,361
    #3 Iceland 165,961
    #4 Hong Kong 146,887

    #12 United Kingdom 97,452
    #22 United States 65,904

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Is Iceland really back to #3 after 2008?

    Good for them.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Beware. The wealth of the average Brit (who at present still owns his house - this is changing fast) is disproportionately dependent on inflated house prices. For most people a house is somewhere to live, not an investment.

    If house prices halved tomorrow the Brits would be no worse off, but they'd fall down the "wealth" table.

  137. @TGGP
    @Anon

    How was it worse?

    I had previously heard that Canadian multiculturalism was better than their older bi-culturalism where Anglo vs French Canadians basically hated each other.

    If the problem with Boris' action was the quantity rather than the quality, then Trump taking in some would seem to be helpful.

    Replies: @Saxon

    Having 50 groups who all hate each other having to live cheek by jowl in an oligarchy posing as a democracy isn’t better than what it used to be. Also, every single anti-white policy that exists in America exists in Canada. Even though they don’t make sense. Affirmative action? It’s there. Chiding about slavery that never existed in the country? Also there! If you’re white, you’re always the wrong party in any altercation. “Minorities” (soon to be the majority) can violently assault you with a deadly weapon like a machete all based on your race and scream about how much they hate whitey while doing it but suddenly the courts have trouble determining it to be a hate crime, because that’s for you only when you transgress against these other people you’ve been saddled with by saying something that offends them.

  138. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Wilkey

    It's useful to have some figures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult


    Median wealth
    #1 Switzerland 227,891
    #2 Australia 181,361
    #3 Iceland 165,961
    #4 Hong Kong 146,887

    #12 United Kingdom 97,452
    #22 United States 65,904

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

    Is Iceland really back to #3 after 2008?

    Good for them.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Steve Sailer

    Iceland seems like the optimal size for a country, everyone is seperated by two to three degrees, the banksters even got punished because everyone knew who and where they were. The free energy from geothermal they get and isolated location also helps. Weather is a bit of a downer but keeps others out without being inhospitable for Europeans.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

  139. @Steve Sailer
    @Morris Applebaum IV

    Is Iceland really back to #3 after 2008?

    Good for them.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Iceland seems like the optimal size for a country, everyone is seperated by two to three degrees, the banksters even got punished because everyone knew who and where they were. The free energy from geothermal they get and isolated location also helps. Weather is a bit of a downer but keeps others out without being inhospitable for Europeans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @LondonBob

    Indeed.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob

    The main thing is it's still a very white place, and even its benefits can't (for some) compensate for the climate and winter darkness. Lower Scandi latitudes like Oslo and Helsinki are where the headscarves go, not so many in Helsinki yet but noticeable in the suburbs.

    The country is opening up again, but I'm not sure if the bars are open yet. Worth a summer visit before the glaciers retreat more - and I think the dollar is OK against the krone at present.

  140. @LondonBob
    @Steve Sailer

    Iceland seems like the optimal size for a country, everyone is seperated by two to three degrees, the banksters even got punished because everyone knew who and where they were. The free energy from geothermal they get and isolated location also helps. Weather is a bit of a downer but keeps others out without being inhospitable for Europeans.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

    Indeed.

  141. @ATBOTL
    @IHTG

    What an utterly ridiculous comment. We don't want to be replaced by anyone.

    Replies: @IHTG

    You already are. So if you have the opportunity to choose who replaces you, you might as well take it.

  142. @Wilkey
    @Kronos


    Kind of sounds like Boris Johnson is making a compromise. “We won’t shut down immigration, but we’ll dramatically cut down on low-IQ Black Muslims.”
     
    I don't think the UK has any actual ceiling on immigration. So what you'll end up with his both, along with millions of more votes for politicians that support open borders. Conservatives - or maybe "conservatives" - have barely been winning elections as it is. Let's tip the scales permanently in the Left's favor, shall we?

    No matter how conservative Asians may personally be, in Western countries they vote for liberals. Because conservatism is about conserving the dominant culture, not their own.

    Replies: @IHTG

    Conservatives – or maybe “conservatives” – have barely been winning elections as it is.

    I think you might need to educate yourself on UK politics.

  143. @Dumbo
    @Anonymous

    He's likely an "HBD believer". He thinks all that matters is "high IQ". Giving away the country to Africans, no, but to Asians, OK.

    However, perhaps giving visas only to nubile Asian women could be a good way to finally turn white women against immigration.

    Replies: @IHTG

    In the 21st century, people with high IQs tend to also have lower birthrates, so even if you don’t value their IQs as such, they’re preferable for that reason.

  144. @anon
    @bomag

    Lot's of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don't get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs - as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag

    …they will be filled with Africans and Arabs

    Separate problems:

    ) You better control the influx of Africans and Arabs; “high quality” immigrants from Asia will be of no help, and will probably exacerbate the influx.

    ) I’m not sure depopulation in today’s environment is a problem. Looks more like a rational course of action to improve the quality of life via allowing more resources per person.

    ) “Better living by importing high quality immigrants” strikes me as utterly fallacious; one of those things pushed by those with an agenda.

  145. @Anonymous
    @anon


    Lot’s of places, especially in Europe are collapsing due to depopulation. If they don’t get high quality immigrants they will be filled with Africans and Arabs – as it is going on now. Nature abhors vacuum. Unless they discover some hormone they can put in municipal water supply and make women pregnant.
     
    They can just not allow immigrants in to dilute or displace them. The natives’ populations 20 years ago were far smaller than now, and they weren’t collapsing then.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman

    This cannot be stressed enough: the decline in population is by itself not seriously problematic, as Europe is very densely populated anyway.

    Combined with the ongoing import of a replacement population this may very well be catastrophic for indigenous populations.

    Needlessly so.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Bill B.
  146. @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Wilkey

    It's useful to have some figures:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult


    Median wealth
    #1 Switzerland 227,891
    #2 Australia 181,361
    #3 Iceland 165,961
    #4 Hong Kong 146,887

    #12 United Kingdom 97,452
    #22 United States 65,904

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

    Beware. The wealth of the average Brit (who at present still owns his house – this is changing fast) is disproportionately dependent on inflated house prices. For most people a house is somewhere to live, not an investment.

    If house prices halved tomorrow the Brits would be no worse off, but they’d fall down the “wealth” table.

  147. @LondonBob
    @Steve Sailer

    Iceland seems like the optimal size for a country, everyone is seperated by two to three degrees, the banksters even got punished because everyone knew who and where they were. The free energy from geothermal they get and isolated location also helps. Weather is a bit of a downer but keeps others out without being inhospitable for Europeans.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @YetAnotherAnon

    The main thing is it’s still a very white place, and even its benefits can’t (for some) compensate for the climate and winter darkness. Lower Scandi latitudes like Oslo and Helsinki are where the headscarves go, not so many in Helsinki yet but noticeable in the suburbs.

    The country is opening up again, but I’m not sure if the bars are open yet. Worth a summer visit before the glaciers retreat more – and I think the dollar is OK against the krone at present.

  148. @Anonymous
    @Pericles

    Actually, a lot of Chinese settle in Cambridgeshire. They really like living near the university.

    Replies: @Charon

    They really like living everywhere, which is why there are millions of them wherever you go. And now it’s Africans too.

  149. @Unit472
    Taiwan’s Tsai Ing Wen is offering to resettle those who wish to leave. The UK and other Western nations should provide aid in support of this. I have no idea how many Hong Kong residents will leave but everyone who does makes Taiwan stronger which is why China has denounced the plan and will probably physically invade Hong Kong to stop any large scale migration.

    Taiwan is a pretty tough nut for the Chinese military to crack. Think Okinawa on steroids and China doesn’t have the naval capacity to land enough troops across 100 plus miles of open ocean to physically take the island. They can only wreck it with missile and air strikes but Taiwan can shoot back at China’s big coastal
    cities.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @Fidelios Automata

    We should give Taiwan nukes. Maybe Bibi can transfer a few to them.

  150. @Coag
    @Uk


    But Hong Kongers, who are much more familiar with the CCP than strange Euro pseudo-Sinophiles, are instead sending the message of maximum disrespect. It is a message which humiliates the CCP in front of mainland Chinese and is designed to harm its legitimacy as much as possible. It is a very effective weapon against some types of people.
     
    How is that a threat to the CCP’s legitimacy? Mainlanders want Hong Kong but don’t want Hong Kongers. If the CCP can take over the territory and property and give the boot to the Hong Kong people without firing a shot, it would be perceived as a huge victory in mainland China. Mainland Chinese resent Hong Kongers for being arrogant and self-superior. Chinese folks are frank and realistic about the un-Reconstructable nature of human nature, which is why they invented the brutal “9 generations familial extermination” punishment. They know Hong Kongers at heart can’t be reconciled to the CCP. The mainlanders would delight in the opportunity to expel and expropriate them.

    Replies: @SOL

    You don’t understand Chinese. No one who is ethnically Chinese should escape their control. That’s why the CCP can’t let Taiwan go either.

    If the CCP were to allow HKers to seek refuge elsewhere without difficulty, one should suspect those refugees of being CCP sympathizers and spies.

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