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For around a decade, I’ve been chipping away at the conventional wisdom that PISA international school test scores show education in America is bad by pointing out that America’s various racial groups tend to score fairly well on the PISA test. Finally, Bloomberg creates their own version of my graph, although their spin appears to be about how we’re failing blacks again. Or something.

‘E Pluribus Unum’ Is a Cruel Mirage
A comparison with global development indicators suggests that Americans of different races inhabit all but separate countries.

By Ben Schott
July 13, 2020, 4:00 AM PDT
Same country, same pledge, different destinies.

Anyone who navigates America’s socioeconomic data is accustomed to charts that break out the country’s general population into its component racial and ethnic groups.

More often than not, the disparities illustrated are startling. …

Reading Literacy
The United States ranked 13th out of 76 international education systems in reading literacy, according to the latest (2018) triennial survey of 15-year-olds’ educational abilities by the OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment.

PISA defines reading literacy as “students’ capacity to understand, use, evaluate, reflect on, and engage with texts in order to achieve one’s goals; develop one’s knowledge and potential; and participate in society” — all of which are clearly prerequisites for advancement in a highly technical world.

However, as the chart below demonstrates, ­­­international comparisons with the U.S. cohort are striking. U.S. Asian students topped the global ranking — outperforming even Singapore and China (as represented by the provinces Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang). In contrast, U.S. Black students, ranking between Chile and Serbia, were 39 points below the OECD average, and 108 points below U.S. Asian students. These figures are even more remarkable if you consider that just 215 points differentiate the highest-scoring country, China (555), and the lowest, the Philippines (340).

In reality, Americans tend to do about as well as or outscore their racial ancestors in their homelands. However, very few black countries have ever bothered to take PISA, but we know from a variety of tests in black countries that American blacks score pretty well.

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    Speaking of PISA scores and IQ…..

    This is what Ron Unz would look like if he really did have an IQ of 214:


    See here for my investigative analysis of the subject :

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-109/#comment-4026618

    Make sure your ‘LOL’ quota is not depleted before proceeding.

  2. ‘E Pluribus Unum’ Is a Cruel Mirage

    Agree

    • Agree: ic1000
  3. Can Switzerland’s score for reading really be that low?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Clifford Brown
    , @res
    , @Lot
  4. Kronos says:
    @Thomm

    Aaannnddd my comment lolz are already depleted.

    Maybe Mr. Unz’s brain ultilizes denser neural networks? That way, you don’t need so much storage space.

  5. A comparison with global development indicators suggests that Americans of different races inhabit all but separate countries.

    You know they’re just trolling us with a remark like that.

    In a related story, Serbians have been rioting nightly, and it has nothing to do with The Madness of St George:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/serbia-police-detain-71-after-4th-night-of-virus-protests/ar-BB16Cein

    https://www.ibtimes.com/serbians-protest-third-day-over-virus-handling-3008326

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  6. Kronos says:

    Oh your such a monster Mr. Sailer! The New Yorker was right about you! You’ve demonstrated your knack for corrupting the youth, those poor underpaid interns at Bloomberg questioning the inequality of the racial equality promise land.

  7. Kaz says:

    haha US Asians do better than Asians elsewhere in nearly everything.. but obesity..

    Boy we really got something toxic about food culture in America huh..

    • Replies: @Anon
  8. Bloomberg Does My PISA Graph

    BTW, if Bloomberg learns that they’ve copied you, this story will get deep-sixed even faster than the study that Heather Mac Donald used in her WSJ essay.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/scientific-study-of-police-shootings-is-retracted-because-bad-people-like-heather-mac-donald-cite-it/#comment-4022373

    We need someone to do a vid clip of Glenda the Good Witch of the North enquiring “Are you a good witch or a bad witch” but replacing ‘witch’ with ‘science’..

  9. Kronos says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Can Serbia’s score be so high?

  10. A comparison with global development indicators suggests that Americans of different races inhabit all but separate countries.

    Or perhaps create all but separate countries.

    • Replies: @roo_ster
  11. Colonia on the Rio Grande has the whitest counties in America? ¡Ay, caramba!

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @botazefa
  12. We need a new school lunch and phys-ed curriculum to finally close those gaps: cook and serve food for white and Asian kids with lead pots and plates, and implement head butting and soccer header practice for them at PE. Also, encourage their vibrant peers to make head shots instead of body blows during grievance expression time before and after school.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  13. Cido says:
    @Kronos

    I also perceived the low score of Swizerland. It’s curious when we know the academic powerhouse that Swizerland is in the world.

  14. OT:

    Bari Weiss’ letter of resignation to A.G. Sulzberger, the publisher of the New York Times.

    https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

    I was hired with the goal of bringing in voices that would not otherwise appear in your pages: first-time writers, centrists, conservatives and others who would not naturally think of The Times as their home. The reason for this effort was clear: The paper’s failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn’t have a firm grasp of the country it covers. Dean Baquet and others have admitted as much on various occasions. The priority in Opinion was to help redress that critical shortcoming.

    But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society—have not been learned. Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.

    Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. … Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.

    My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views.

    • Disagree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  15. There are now attacks on ‘Asian privilege’ coming in:

    https://www.thejuggernaut.com/test-scores

    Mettu, for example, is well aware of her advantages as the daughter of educated, middle-class Indian immigrants who could invest in her college preparation. She recognizes that few students enjoy such privilege. That is why Mettu sympathizes with efforts at higher education institutions across the country to downplay — or altogether eliminate — test scores as a criterion in admissions. “In terms of equal opportunity,” she said, “it is a good shift.”

    Most Asians still support affirmative action – because they benefit from it in the workforce, even if they are net losers in the university admission process. But the question is how long even that escape hatch will be around.

  16. @Kronos

    Serbia’s score seems more believable to me than Switzerland’s.

    • Replies: @gate666
  17. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

    Fertility rate: ‘Jaw-dropping’ global crash in children being born

    Are there any solutions?

    … “We will go from the period where it’s a choice to open borders, or not, to frank competition for migrants, as there won’t be enough,” argues Prof Murray. …

    What about Africa?

    The population of sub-Saharan Africa is expected to treble in size to more than three billion people by 2100.

    … Prof Murray says: “We will have many more people of African descent in many more countries as we go through this.

    “Global recognition of the challenges around racism are going to be all the more critical if there are large numbers of people of African descent in many countries.” …

    What do the experts say?

    Prof Ibrahim Abubakar, University College London (UCL), said: “If these predictions are even half accurate, migration will become a necessity for all nations and not an option.

    “To be successful we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.

    “The distribution of working-age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  18. @Pincher Martin

    I often think Americans are morons, but then I visit Western Europe and engage in a mildly provocative political discussion and I realize Western Europeans are much more limited in their range of discourse than Americans. I can’t help to think this correlates to some degree with intelligence.

    As Western Europeans go, I have found Italians to be by far the most interesting in terms of non-traditional politics. I have hope for Italy despite its utter incompetence on so many levels. Spaniards are slightly better than average. Germans are brain dead politically. It is tragic, the most politically minded people in human history have literally turned their brains off.

    A few years back, I ate at a trendy hipster breakfast diner in Vancouver where I had to sit at the counter because seats were in such demand. I casually started a conversation with two attractive liberal Australian women who said that American politics were so crazy. When after a few minutes of banter where I agreed with them and had them laughing heartily, I mentioned that I voted for Trump. After that, they could barely even speak and were on the verge of tears. They could not even finish their meals. I told them that America is not real country and they should do the best to try to save Australia from the same fate. They said nothing further and looked in total despair at the cook frying up hash browns. They completely shut down emotionally and intellectually even though I honestly meant them no harm.

    The current Cultural Revolution may kill off broader American political discourse, but despite how depressing it sounds, on average I find that Americans have a broader range of political discourse than Western Europeans or for that matter East Asians.

  19. syonredux says:
    @Thomm

    I’m curious if Ron actually reads the articles that he cites. Or perhaps he has read them and assumes that we are simply going to accept his account of an article and not read it for ourselves. For example, here’s Ron describing a piece by Jay Mathews:

    Yet back in the 1990s, the former Beijing bureau chief of the Washington Post, who had personally covered the events, published a long article in the prestigious Columbia Journalism Review entitled The Myth of Tiananmen, in which he publicly admitted that the supposed “massacre” was merely a fraudulent concoction of careless journalists and dishonest propagandists.

    And here are some noteworthy sections from Mr Mathews’ article:

    The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.

    A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.

    The problem is not so much putting the murders in the wrong place, but suggesting that most of the victims were students. Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students. This was the larger story that most of us overlooked or underplayed.

    It is hard to find a journalist who has not contributed to the misimpression. Rereading my own stories published after Tiananmen, I found several references to the “Tiananmen massacre.” At the time, I considered this space-saving shorthand. I assumed the reader would know that I meant the massacre that occurred in Beijing after the Tiananmen demonstrations. But my fuzziness helped keep the falsehood alive.

    Not only has the error made the American press’s frequent pleas for the truth about Tiananmen seem shallow, but it has allowed the bloody-minded regime responsible for the June 4 murders to divert attention from what happened. There was a massacre that morning. Journalists have to be precise about where it happened and who were its victims, or readers and viewers will never be able to understand what it meant.

    https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    Mathews’ complaint is that a a massacre did occur, but that it did not happen in Tiananmen Square, and the victims were workers, not students. However, someone who merely read Ron’s account would come away with the impression that no massacre occurred…..

    • Thanks: Lockean Proviso, Gabe Ruth
  20. In reading literacy, how does PISA even compare Japan against the United States?

    In Japan, they read Japanese, don’t they?

    (Please do not reply in Japanese. If you do, my PISA reading literacy score will drop to zero.)

    • Replies: @vhrm
  21. @PiltdownMan

    Weiss has been a strong proponent of ‘cancel culture’. She started with Palestinian professors at Columbia and hasn’t slowed down since. Most of the people bitching about ‘cancel culture’ don’t give a rat’s ass about free speech. What they are seeing is their cozy neoliberal position being undermined by people they tried to doxx/cancel for years. Now the shoe’s on the other foot so the crocodile tears start flowing.

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  22. MEH 0910 says:

    Thank you Steve Sailer:

  23. res says:
    @Pincher Martin

    What makes it even more interesting is Switzerland scores well on math with 515 (US scores 478).

    This page is good for full lists of country scores.
    https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-mathematics-science-reading/

    If anyone really wants to dig into the results, this PDF has a great deal of data.
    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf

    They give per country standard deviations on pp. 6-8.

    Figure 4 on page 9 is an interesting look at how each country performs in reading for students at the 1/2/5/9/10 deciles of international socio-economic status.

    In the US, the top two deciles perform in the 550-560 range with the middle decile (remember these are international deciles, not sure how that relates to decile in the US) is down around 490.

    • Thanks: Pincher Martin
  24. The motto of the black community should be: “Thank God for Serbia.”

  25. One problem with comparing US races with whole countries is that many European countries aren’t as homogenous anymore. Comparisons with East Asia works better on this regard.

    If you look at native European students, which OECD has a very liberal definition of (father born in country), the score for math looks like this:

    You probably have to click on the image to see the full size. Native white Americans score ~503 and since most of them are from a Western European background, they score lower than most North-Western European countries.

    So, the US isn’t that exceptional when properly measuring apples-to-apples. This is even more profound when pricing in the fact that the US spends massive amounts on education per pupil, even when adjusting for PPP.

    • Agree: GoRedWings!
    • Replies: @res
  26. Lot says:
    @Pincher Martin

    Americans score well partly because we take so many standardized tests.

    We all have the most AJ ancestry in our white population. (Also on the high end: Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, and England).

    Most importantly, European migration to the USA was eugenic. You had to be smart and talented enough to save up for the expensive Atlantic passage when most of the population was broke, or else be sponsored by a family capable of paying for the passage.

    Within Europe, the highest mean IQs are found within the blue banana, as well as a few other wealthy parts of Western Europe.

  27. Black Entertainer Nick Cannon dressed in “White face” back in 2014.

    Recently, Nick Cannon insulted White people in very strong terms.

    He also made some much milder comments about powerful Jewish families (like the Rothschilds) having a lot of power.

    https://pagesix.com/2020/07/14/nick-cannon-responds-to-backlash-following-anti-semitic-comments/

    Despite referencing fringe conspiracy theories about Jewish people, including “the Rothschilds, centralized banking, the 13 families, the bloodlines that control everything even outside of America,” Cannon repeatedly asserts that their conversation is not about hate. Griffin agrees, claiming that black people cannot be anti-Semitic, since, purportedly, the Semitic people and language are unrelated to Caucasians.

    He has now been fired for being “anti-semitic.”

    TLDR:

    -Famous black entertainer Nick Cannon dressed in “White face.” He continued to thrive in his career.
    -Recently, Nick Cannon savagely insulted Whites. He also made some much milder comments about Jewish banking families being powerful.
    -Nick Cannon has now been fired for critiquing Jews.

  28. Andy says:

    Is the average Latino in the US smarter than the average Russian and only slightly less smart than the average Swiss? I don’t know

    • Replies: @Some Guy
  29. El Dato says:

    ViacomCBS drops Nick Cannon over ‘anti-Semitic conspiracies’ after he calls whites ‘savages’ & black people ‘the true Hebrews’

    In the video, Cannon argues that the ‘real’ Semitic people are black, and therefore cannot be accused of anti-Semitism, arguing that black people “are the same people who they [Jews] want to be.”

    Blacks had kind of a tribe in Middle East, wrote the ancient Testament and all the zany Voice From Above stuff? That’s new data. But maybe ancient Jews behaving like permanently angry Zulus with city-building tradition is evidence.

    “That’s our birthright… we are the true Hebrews,” Cannon went on. While the discussion initially appeared to be more about anthropology than anything else, Cannon then rehashed a popular conspiracy theory that rich Jews have the world firmly under their thumb, saying that theory goes “as deep as the Rothschilds, centralized banking, the 13 families, the bloodlines that control everything even outside of America.”

    Not everything and not firmly, no.

    While ViacomCBS cited Cannon’s unconventional take on Jews and anti-Semitism as the pretext to fire him, the company has been called out for failing to address another segment of Cannon’s podcast that has gained traction on Twitter, and has drawn accusations that the entertainer is a “black supremacist.”

    Black supremacism is hard work.

    In the segment, Cannon argues that white people, who have less melanin than black people, are less compassionate and more sinister, explaining that their ancestors had to brave harsh weather to survive.

    The “Sun People” approach of the 80s, generally used when northern ladies want to make exciting encounters.

    “When you have a person that has the lack of pigment, the lack of melanin, they know that they will be annihilated, so therefore, however they got the power, they have the lack of compassion,” he said.

    That’s why Europe is kept open to all comers. They must be made compassionate and annihiliated,

    Since white people lack the “power of sun,” he argued, they were forced into the life of “savages,” who endure in their “fear” of black people centuries later.

    “They’re the ones that are actually closer to animals, they’re the ones that are actually the true savages,” he said of white people.

    “Whites” use technology for extreme savagery, leading to civilizational crash.

    The fact that ViacomCBS seemingly did not take as much of an issue with Cannon’s controversial comments about race in their criticism has provoked accusations of hypocrisy.

    Once can only handle so much at a time. And what about Asians, who are contenders?

  30. Anonymous[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Fertility rate: ‘Jaw-dropping’ global crash in children being born…

    What about Africa?

    The population of sub-Saharan Africa is expected to treble in size to more than three billion people by 2100.

    … Prof Murray says: “We will have many more people of African descent in many more countries as we go through this.

    “Global recognition of the challenges around racism are going to be all the more critical if there are large numbers of people of African descent in many countries.” …

    So to be clear, this article is saying that there’s a global fertility crash among non-Africans, while the African population is expected to increase significantly.

    Meanwhile, there is a burgeoning black/African supremacist ideology being adopted in the cultural hegemon of the world, the US, and being spread and promoted worldwide. The dominance and spread of such an ideology would impede the non-African world’s ability to deter African migration.

    It’s very unlikely that there will be any great reversal in fertility rates forthcoming. Moreover, within the US, it seems unlikely that black privilege and black supremacy will be curbed and lose influence. Thus only a significant decline in the power and prestige of the US, and with it the attendant black supremacist ideology, will prevent African migration from inundating the world over the next century.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  31. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    These bastards will never, ever, let up.

  32. Rahan says:

    I was already in awe of the flourish with which GloboHomo explains away black urban crime committed with illegal pistols by blaming white rifle owners in the countryside for it. To the extent that millions of people not only inside the US but across the world are programmed to instantly say that firearm crime in the US is the fault of white small-town legal rifle owners. In spite of most of it being committed by blacks in cities by use of illegal pistols.

    Now I see white kids are forced to study twice as hard than 20 years ago, just to compensate for the illiterate kids of the urban crime dindus, while everybody has to pretend that ‘America has an education problem’ and that’s why white kids need to have no childhood.

    *White adult workers have to be taxed in order to pay for dindu welfare;
    *White kids need to study twice as hard to compensate for dindu illiteracy;
    *White small-town rifle owners constantly take the blame for urban dindu shooting spikes;
    *White parents need to pretend dindus are not dangerous, and thus allow their daughters and sons to be raped and killed, because mentioning or even thinking about the real risks is a crime.
    *And every living white is responsible for imaginary sins of his ancestors. Even if he’s a damn Slovak who entered the country half an hour ago. At the airport he’s issues a complimentary “inherited” guilt burden.

    And that’s just the dindus. When we throw in the latinos, the trannies, the Jews, the dangerhair landwhales and so on, it becomes even more fun.

    When we remember the demographic context–that white newborns have been a minority since the early 2010s, and that white schoolkids are already a national minority due to immigration, and that the current 69% white majority only depends on ageing whites who will not be replaced with new whites, but rather every next generation whites will shrink by 20% or more, and hence today this “slim majority” is a very temporary illusion, then life really starts looking interesting.

    Maybe “Atlas” should “shrug” and emigrate en masse to Eastern Europe. From Latvia to Romania to Macedonia they could all do with a serious influx of white US republicans. This demographic revolution would inject new life into the whole continent instantly, and restart world history as if from before its subversion.

    And 50 years later, when Europe has become a “real USA”, while the US has become northern South Africa/Mexico, then maybe taking parts of it back and this time with iron safeguards built in will be a breeze.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  33. their spin appears to be about how we’re failing blacks again.

    Ah, well then the chart shows us the solution: we have to force blacks to be more like Asians.

  34. their spin appears to be about how we’re failing blacks again.

    Ah, well then the chart shows us the solution: we have to force blacks to be more like Asians.

  35. their spin appears to be about how we’re failing blacks again.

    Ah, well then the chart shows us the solution: we just have to force blacks to be more like Asians.

  36. @Mr McKenna

    Serbia’s troubles have nothing to do with IQ, PISA or anything similar. Essentially this is an internal struggle between strongman Vučić (who got over 60% of votes) & who is trying to invent a perpetuum mobile (taking loads of money from the EU & simultaneously entertaining nebulous ideas of economic-political alliance with Russia & China) and opposition, which is a motley crowd of EU friends, enemies & whatnot.

    It is about policy toward Kosovo & Montenegro, seen as the collapse of strategic Serbian policy in past 150-200 years.

  37. @Clifford Brown

    A few years back, I ate at a trendy hipster breakfast diner in Vancouver where I had to sit at the counter because seats were in such demand. I casually started a conversation with two attractive liberal Australian women who said that American politics were so crazy. When after a few minutes of banter where I agreed with them and had them laughing heartily, I mentioned that I voted for Trump. After that, they could barely even speak and were on the verge of tears. They could not even finish their meals.

  38. @Clifford Brown

    I enjoyed reading your post, Cliff, and I agree with much in it, but I don’t think reading scores in Switzerland are correlated with intelligence.

    As the commentator Res points out in response to my post, Switzerland does quite well, better than the U.S. in fact, on the math portion of the PISA test.

    I wonder if the more likely explanation for Switzerland’s scores is that they have a high number of immigrant students in their schools who depress the reading scores (but not the math scores) because they are reading in what is for them not their first language or the language they use at home.

    Switzerland gets better quality immigrants than does the U.S. – most come from other parts of Europe – so I wouldn’t expect math scores to be much affected. But reading scores could be impacted.

    And Switzerland has an enormous immigrant population.

  39. Unfortunately, the insanity isn’t going to stop until the public accepts the “racist” reality. The best the US could probably hope for would be a world in which a small minority understood why blacks fail, kept it to themselves, and promoted black eugenics. However, they keep demanding and demanding something that can never happen, with the result that black heritable low performance will have to be accepted in the general culture, with all the concomitant misunderstandings and incorrect conclusions that will entail.

    Sorry, black folks.

  40. @Lot

    I dunno.

    I like a lot about the PISA tests, but I’m not sure that they can successfully translate and validate tests across languages and cultures enough to make arguing over differences of a few dozen points worthwhile.

  41. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    With some light editing, a modern Marx Bros.-level comedy of manners could be made out of Jordan Peele’s silly/incoherent gonzo-shlock about white libs scheming to convert Yonder POCemons into fellow white libs while preserving their cosmetic appearance taxidermically. Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make woke.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  42. We’re not failing blacks again: We’re perpetually oppressing them. It seems to be our blood sport.

  43. @Lot

    Americans score well partly because we take so many standardized tests.

    Is that true, though? Have you read it somewhere?

    Having lived in East Asia, I know the kids over there are always taking tests. Always. But I don’t know what the situation is like in Europe.

    We all have the most AJ ancestry in our white population. (Also on the high end: Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, and England).

    How much effect can this have on average or median scores when Ashkenazi Jews are maybe two percent of the U.S. student population?

    I can see it having some effect on the high end, of course, but not much if any for the average score.

    Most importantly, European migration to the USA was eugenic. You had to be smart and talented enough to save up for the expensive Atlantic passage when most of the population was broke, or else be sponsored by a family capable of paying for the passage.

    The Scots-Irish don’t seem particularly smart. Nor do the plain old Irish- and Italian-Americans. Many of the first populations to settle in the northeast do seem to have been better than average, though.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  44. @Pincher Martin

    I’m mostly Kraut, but the “Scots-Irish” genetics I have are definitely holding me back.

    • LOL: Lot, Pincher Martin
  45. Some Guy says:
    @Andy

    Well first of all this graph is of reading only, their mean PISA scores are lower than Russia’s: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    Then there’s the fact that Russia and Switzerland have low-scoring minorities dragging them down too.

    • Replies: @gate666
  46. @Kronos

    Are the scores possibly related? Switzerland took in quite a few refugees from the Yugoslavian civil war…

  47. 128 says:

    How do you measure smart, being able to dominate the bootleg alcohol market, and the political machinery actually takes a lot of smarts, thought maybe not the egghead smarts you think of? And sucessful organized crime does need a decent degree of intelligence to pull of.

  48. 128 says:

    Garbage like this keeps getting posted here, PISA tests do not test the ability to do anything except take tests well, with heavy coaching and some cheating, in fact it measures conscientiousness more than it measures raw intelligence. And a lot off claims based on IQ seem to be post-hoc rationalizations. IQ alone does not even measure intelligence, just particular aspects, of it, it does not measure lateral thinking, or is very poor a measuring it, it measures logical thinking, and logical thinking does not necessarily measure lateral thinking, more like vertical thinking. And if you ask the Chinese what are factors for their success they are more likely to attribute it to traits like conscientiousness and the ability to simply tough things out, rather than pure intelligence. And about Whites being dumber than East Asians, there are a lot of White expats working in business in East Asian, and the Chinese and Japs certainly do not think those people stupid, they fault them for things like lack of filial piety and a sense of loyalty, but certainly not stupidity.

    Maybe this is a function of someone living much of his life on the West Coast, where you face Asians everyday, and they are over represented in places like universities, so you think they are all ten feet tall and can basically do no wrong? I mean just like if who have spent your entire military career fighting Soviets in the Eastern Front, you would think all Russians are ten feet tall, but from a more distant and detached perspective they are not really all that? German cars are actually more technologically sophisticated than Japanese or Korean cars, which indicates a higher degree of inteligence.

    And this PISA test is stupid and flawed, maybe Serbs just do not take these type of tests seriously? The way they were able to perform very well in the Kosovo War considering their limitations, and they performed relatively well in guerilla warfare against Germans in WW2.

  49. 128 says:

    And the Japanese and Koreans may have been able to take over the small and midsize car market, but that is because the Big 3 are quite poor in making cars (as opposed to SUVs), not that White people are stupider than East Asians. The Asian car brands have not made any gains worth speaking off in the Western European car market, where they are supposed to have a competitive edge, because it is dominated by compact and subcompact cars using small engines not bigger than 1.6 litres. And considering Trumps is a Zionist puppet used car salesman, maybe those people in Australia are justified in their reactions? Trump is nothing but a useless piece of trash. The only people he has helped in his entire term are is millionaire friends with his tax cuts and his Israeli friends.

  50. Well, the Serbs have Zoltan Dani, who was able to shoot down an F117A Stealth Fighter.

    I read that one element was that he drilled his guys in his anti-aircraft battery to be constantly on the move — think of the Clark Gable character in Run Silent, Run Deep driving his crew nuts with his incessant crash-dive drills. Another is that he took to heart everything he was told by his Russian military advisors, especially how long he could “stay on the air” before he and his crew got “blowed up, real good!” by US Wild Weasel aircraft. The extent of tactical smarts of most Russian allies seems to be limited to knowing to press the big red “launch” button.

    It also didn’t hurt that NATO operations were predictable, with sorties conducted with the unwavering regularity of a German train schedule, which seemed to be a feature of US Air Force operations contributing to the downing of B-52s. These planes were otherwise protected by heavy electronic jamming making them “invisible to radar” in a rather crude way during the 1972 Christmas campaign in 1972.

    It further didn’t hurt that Italian Communists were passing flight departure information to the Serbs, something that at least one American general fumed about as being somehow “unfair.” I mean, Italian Communists were going to act like Commies everywhere , and you would think a US Air Force general would somehow take this into tactical planning as a “fact on the ground” in planning operations? You would think said general would order patrols with dogs to sweep the perimeter of Aviano air base for Communists lurking in the tall grass?

    Finally, Dani’s crew got lucky, according to reports, of “catching the stealth plane with its radar-signature pants down” during a weapons release or some such thing? Contrary to the snark of the Serbian T-shirts characteristic of say, one other blogger hosted on unz.com who knows who he is, loss of the odd F117A is to be expected against a capable adversary in relation to the record against the mouth-agape Iraqi missile crews?

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  51. 128 says:

    I mean IQ is an important ingredient to success, but it does not lead to success.

  52. Kaz says:
    @128

    where they are supposed to have a competitive edge, because it is dominated by compact and subcompact cars using small engines not bigger than 1.6 litres

    Nah probably because there is a lot of government favoritism in play. European cars straight suck, even in Europe. They also like to cheat and lie around emission standards and push disgusting garbage like diesel. Widespread use of diesel in consumer vehicles is why cities in Europe have such heavy pollution problems. It’s not better aside from outputting less EVIL CO2 per mile, but it does have a ton of other disgusting particulate.

    Japanese and Korean cars have plenty of physically smaller cars for their own markets. America certainly doesn’t need them. And I’m assuming Europe rather prioritize their own local well established car companies and unions. Is it worth it? I don’t know.

  53. @128

    Your an idiot the japanese dont sell in europe because whites like white americans are racists and nationalistic who won’t be caught dead in a japanese car ,they would rather buy or lease inferior trucks and german cars that break in five years, europe and US is a captive market for the germans and british,in US the japanese do well in family cars because of minorities not white people, Lexus is better than mercedez , even the Genesis g 90 is better than the S class more powerful, better interior just as quiet , better build quality the seats in a brand new S class squeaks seen it myself.

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    , @Malla
  54. gate666 says:
    @Some Guy

    the minorities in russia are also white.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
  55. @128

    “German cars are actually more technologically sophisticated than Japanese or Korean cars”.
    Can the germans make a car like the prius chock full of technology that can go 300k miles, can they make a GTR that is fully of driving aids that makes a regular driver into a race car driver,the germans cant even make cars equivalent to the japanese greats of the nineties and eighties, cars like the NSX,The GTR, EVO,S2K, Toyota 86,RX7,STI203,300zx,silvia,KEI cars like the capacinno ,LX 400,Legend, Q45, the list goes on and on, shows how much you know about cars.The porshe spyder that cost 2 million bucks can barely beat a $200k Nismo GTR from 0- 60 and can definetly not out corner it around a race track for sure, the Nismo is also better built with hand built engine by japanese master craftsmen to boot, the GTR kicked the porsche into hyper car territory because they can’t compete against the the GTR and even then the spyder can barely beat the GTR in straight line speed, cannot for sure out corner it around a race track at millions of dollars more.

  56. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaz

    Not really. The chart you are reading is only for literacy.

    From an overall perspective East Asian kids still do better.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

    • Replies: @Kaz
  57. @Thulean Friend

    That’s one way to think about it. Another is that we need as many people as we can get on our side for this fight.

    Maybe, just maybe, being cancelled has has awoken her to the toxicity that she has participated in.

    But who know.

  58. botazefa says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    There’s a tiny little ‘includes hispanics’ legend at the bottom left

  59. botazefa says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Germans are brain dead politically. It is tragic, the most politically minded people in human history have literally turned their brains off.

    Not literally. Figuratively. I only bring this up because my teenagers are constantly using ‘literally’ wrong. I think it may be a Gen Z verbal tic or fad or maybe youtube habit.

  60. @Rahan

    I like the way you think. Maybe add Russia to the mix. If they’d have us among their immigrants, that is. I think that they would only want to see White Americans immigrating who have been seriously redpilled, rather like the Boer farmers who have been emigrating to Russia so that their agricultural expertise would not only be enabled to continue to be used, but would actually be appreciated for what it is by the Russians, a real people with serious rootedness in their nation.

    They offloaded their jewish malcontents onto us back a few decades ago (Castro must have been watching, vide the Mariel boatlift); it would be glorious if they got solid, gentile European-Americans in return in our time of need.

  61. @Anonymous

    I am stealing your last sentence. Thanks.

  62. vhrm says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The tests are in the local (national) language.
    If you go to the PISA site you can read at length about their methods.

    I remember reading somewhere complaints that one way countries try to game the system is to make their tests easier, but don’t remember the response.

    As an aside, i think the Chinese (and to a lesser extent the Japanese) ARE handicapped somewhat by the difficulty of learning to read and write their language, especially when you’re talking about relatively young people.

    Is it the best use of their time and neural connections to learn so many characters?

  63. res says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Do you know where the data came from separated by race and nativity for different countries?

    Worth being explicit about your underperformance being for math as opposed to Steve’s reading comparison. The US is bad at math in general. Our reading score (everyone) is 505 (13th) while our math score is 478 (37th). Is this a cultural or educational thing?

    In the PDF I linked above Figure 13 on page 28 has relative immigrant performance within each country both before and after adjustment for socio-economic status.

  64. Public (government funded) education *is* bad, at home and abroad.

    The PISA test is just another one of those elitist, narcissistic, internationalist, bureaucratic imperatives. Its scores are used for political purposes. To:

    • show that their local (nation’s!) school system doesn’t suck as much as the ones elsewhere.

    • argue for ever-higher tax funding for schools; where these left-wing elitists are concerned, probably to demand that rich nations (taxpayers) fund schools in poor ones.

    The national (average) test scores of the reading comprehension of 15 year olds is a statistic. Attempts at drawing serious inferences therefrom will be culturally biased: Who’s to say that reading comprehension is a higher value than spear chucking?

  65. vhrm says:
    @128

    if you ask the Chinese what are factors for their success they are more likely to attribute it to traits like conscientiousness and the ability to simply tough things out, rather than pure intelligence

    Generally if you ask any successful person why they’re successful they’ll say it’s because of their hard work, but it doesn’t mean they’re correct in that assessment.

    I’m sure people in the NBA think they’re there because of their hard work too, and while it’s true that many of them worked hard, that only makes a difference if you have adequate “athleticism” and height.

    Maybe this is a function of someone living much of his life on the West Coast, where you face Asians everyday, and they are over represented in places like universities, so you think they are all ten feet tall and can basically do no wrong?

    Quite the contrary: if you live here you see asians driving buses, delivering mail, working at mcdonalds or in construction, and (rarely) sleeping on the streets. So it makes them quite normal.

  66. Kaz says:
    @Anon

    I would not consider Singapore or the cherry picked parts of China as ‘East Asian kids still do better’

  67. roo_ster says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    the gary memorial hall architecture is beautiful. all those responsible for its current state deserve a nice impaling.

  68. @gate666

    Because Serbia is a backwards part of Europe with a lower GDP per capita than Mexico or Chile, and Switzerland is one of the ten wealthiest countries in the world (per capita) and is near the top of every survey of economic competitiveness and human development.

    So I’m not too surprised to see Serbia testing in the range of Latin American countries (even if I suspect their natural IQ is higher), but I am surprised to see Switzerland testing below the OECD average.

  69. Boredom Alert: Copy-&-Paste.

    From wiki:

    .. governments often only use superficial features of PISA surveys such as country rankings .. policymakers selectively refer to data in order to legitimise policies introduced for other reasons.

    Our kids are scoring more poorly than the Finns. We need to raise taxes!

    Slightly O/T:

    In around half of all state legislative bi/annual sessions, some union-controlled DEM will announce that their state education system is “underfunded”, as evidenced by the amount that state currently spends (deliberately undercounted and automatically increasing) is less than the “national average”.

    Any value left of the mean is below average.

    Why is it that in complementary states, we never hear DEMs complain that their state is spending *more* than the average, thereby making it OVERFUNDED?

  70. @Thomm

    Is Ron’s 214IQ claim based on some test he took as a child? I can’t count the number of little brown girls who’ve had articles written about their IQ scores north of Einstein but I never hear from them again

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  71. @australianbrainsize1325cchehe

    white americans are racists and nationalistic who won’t be caught dead in a japanese car

    Toyota sells about 2.5mm cars in the US each year; Honda 1.6mm; Nissan over 1.5mm; while Subara, Mitsubishi, and Mazda sell about another 1mm combined.

    Also, punctuation is your friend.

  72. Guest007 says:

    Steve,

    Since you are writing about education again, you may want to look at the data reported out of Cleveland.

    https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/07/15/alarming-white-opt-out-rates-have-left-eastside-suburban-schools-segregated-at-levels-not-seen-since-the-1960s

    What is never mentioned is that the Department of Education will never fund any anthropological/sociological studies on what it is like being a white kid in a major black school.

  73. Guest007 says:
    @Lockean Proviso

    The Daniel Patrick Moynihan solution to the achievement gap. Remember, the question when it comes to the achievement gap is how do accelerate the improvement of black students faster than the acceleration of white/Asian students.

  74. Thomm says:
    @Pop Warner

    Is Ron’s 214IQ claim based on some test he took as a child?

    I don’t know of any such test he has mentioned, but he believes it enough that he wrote it into his own Wikipedia article. That is not consistent with entering Harvard at the normal age of 18 and dropping out of a PhD program at Stanford at 23. People with a high IQ usually finish their PhDs at far younger ages than that.

    For full details, see my investigative report on the subject :

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-109/#comment-4026618

    It is possible that he as an ability like the Incredible Hulk, where, when angered, RUnzie Baby can expand his cranial chassis and call upon temporarily high IQ on demand :

  75. @Inquiring Mind

    You would think said general would order patrols with dogs to sweep the perimeter of Aviano air base for Communists lurking in the tall grass?

    Pretty sure the Serbs also had sympathizers watching B2 Spirits taking off from their base in Missouri.

  76. @Guest007

    Your linked-to article discusses “open enrollment”, i.e. “You can send your kid to any school, so long as it sucks.”

    OE is a policy favored by the most crappy schools, in that in-zone parents desperately try to send their own kids elsewhere.

    But just because a not-totally-crappy district allows OE doesn’t mean that out-of-zone parents (i.e. those red-lined by the government) can take advantage of it. OE comes with strings.

    • The parent/student must apply for admission to the “open” district.

    • The home district must approve the departure (yep). The application must contain a certification, from the home superintendent (warden), that the district does not offer a particular program that the applicant is seeking transfer to.

    Now get this: Even if the open district were willing to accept an outsider, talented QB, and the home district willing to release him, entitled football-moms, at the open district, who resent the competition to their future Buckeye backfield starter, will threaten to SUE and, depending on their political connections, even jeopardize the superintendent’s contract.

    Application denied.

  77. @Guest007

    I read the whole thing, and they never asked parents why they choose to find other schools. Are they just not curious? If I were to write such an article, I’d find as many parents as I could and ask them directly. Maybe I’d even promise them anonymity… not that they’d believe me.

  78. Some Guy says:
    @gate666

    There’s also central Asians, native Siberians etc.

  79. Malla says:
    @australianbrainsize1325cchehe

    in US the japanese do well in family cars because of minorities not white people

    This is B.S.

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