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  1. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    One positive in all this is that the restaurant has not fired and denounced the hostess, as would certainly have happened in SF, Seattle or Portland.

    I assume East Coast liberals are wiser regarding blacks and their antics than West Coast liberals.

    • Replies: @niteranger
    , @JimDandy
  2. white women who complain over stupid shit are Karen’s, Black woman who get into fights over stupid shit are victims.

  3. Kronos says:

    Oh boy…

    This might get even crazier than animal rights activists battling a native tribe’s right to whale hunt.

  4. Blackety-blackety-black. It’s just that. If these people would one time mention that the vaccine passport business is plain sick and wrong I’d be pleased they turned out on the streets though. If their black privilege could get the city of New York to back off just as not to cause more of this, they’d have done us a solid, even if only as a side effect.

    However, as I wrote under one of the previous posts, it probably won’t go like that. New York City will want to keep showing its vaccine wokeness. We live under Anarcho-Tyranny. They won’t make it official, but eating establishments will just not bother black people about these “passports” going forward, unless they seem very willing. In the meantime, White people will be kicked out of the restaurant without one. They will not complain about the blatant racial discrimination, because that’d be racist.

    • Agree: northeast, TWS, Catdog
  5. Clyde says:

    These buffoons will not be putting Carmines out of business anytime soon. They will not be getting any reparations/ shakedown money either. My prediction is they will Mau-Mau Carmines one more time, then they (BLM etc.) will move onto greener pastures. Where the shakedowns actually pay off.

    And a big lol provided by Country singer Morgan Wallen, who was bullied into pledging half a million to various BLM type orgs. Seems he used the n-word in a bar or something like this. Complaints are rolling in from the reparations mob, they have gotten only one third this amount from him.

    Morgan Wallen, 28, pledged half-a-million dollars to various groups in July, but he appears to have donated just \$165,000 to one organization The singer went on an apology tour after the incident, posting a five-minute video on Instagram, above, and appearing on Good Morning America, where he pledged the \$500K
    Singer Morgan Wallen has yet to pay most of the \$500k he pledge…

    No wonder Minister Farrakhan (pbuh) says, “Never trust the White devil”

  6. Guys….what if we began saying that opposing our positions are racist against blacks?

    Vaccine passports are good.
    Unless blacks don’t like them

    Gun control is good
    But it targets blacks

    Lowering my taxes is ANTI RACIST BABY!

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  7. That strident, aggressive New Yorker didn’t need a bullhorn, but she does need to learn how to say ‘please’.

  8. You might be a masochist if…

    you pushed the ‘play’ button on that video at the head of this article.

    • Agree: Red Pill Angel
    • LOL: Old and Grumpy
  9. A restaurant for wealthy White libs gets protested by BLM?

    Look at their menu:

    A green salad for \$28.95??

    Wealthy White libs and BLM deserve each other.

    It’s a f-king salad.

  10. Simon says:

    What’s loony is that Carmine’s customer base — at least from my observation — is more than half black: large parties of loud, raucous, generally well-dressed blacks out for a family-style Italian meal. With outdoor dining now in place, the crowd makes the sidewalk in front of the restaurant almost impassible.

    I saw today’s BLM demonstration, a bunch of blacks (and one out-of-place blonde girl) marching down Broadway. They, too, were loud, and looked angry, but the group was not a large one.

  11. @John Johnson

    It’s a tourist restaurant, isn’t it?

  12. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    BLM’ers should be on the borders helping to stop the Haitians who will be competing with them for BLM jobs in the future. But… they’re just too stupid.

    An even more urgent matter BLM folk are too stupid to understand is Biden bringing in a ton of traumatized, war-hardened Afghans, most of whom are disgusted by black people, and don’t recognize shaming.

    When it comes to taking “racial superiority” for granted, Afghans are the real deal, and they have NO apologies, as BLM’ers are going to find out…

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • LOL: fnn
    • Replies: @El Dato
  13. Thoughts says:

    Good, finally BLM is doing good work

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @El Dato
  14. @Anonymous

    Just think about it for awhile. By using vaccine papers the rich liberal elite don’t have to put up with the poorly dressed, loud mouth, poor tipping ( and often refusing to pay for meals) blacks who they wouldn’t be associated with any way. Now they have an excuse to be safe but not “racist.” You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Thanks: JR Ewing
  15. Off-topic.

    I’m visiting old friends and circumstances forced me to watch the PBS News Hour/DNC Ministry of Truth, which I last watched 30 years ago. Remarkably, host Judy W has had exactly the same fashionable opinions for 40 years now (I’ve had three revolutions in worldview over that period). Guested by mulatta in quirky glasses, conquistadora-Americana, New York Jewess Biden bureaucrat, business-attired butch-dyke; each childish, emotional, and weakly informed. Hectoring fist in velvet elite glove. Multiple phrases designed to discourage rational thinking: “immigration system,” needing “immigration reform,” say ”human rights activists.” Black, brown, and indigenous. Misleading factoids on flashcards.

    Global warming, migration, pandemic, human rights activists. Global warming, migration, pandemic, human rights activists.

    Black, brown, and indigenous. Global warming, migration, pandemic, human rights activists.

    More of what’s new in tomorrows news!

  16. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    A green salad for \$28.95??

    It’s one of those Italian family-style restaurants where everything is “for the table” in huge bowls. You order one salad, a couple of pastas, and pizza, and everyone helps himself. People go to these places for events and special occasions.

    Carmine’s is a small New York chain, but a nationwide chain comparison would be Buca de Beppo, whose Mixed Green Salad is \$25.50 (“Feeds 5”), veggies only, extra for prosciutto and gorgonzola. Personally, the Chopped Antipasti sounds better, at \$31.00. (These prices are for the Albany location; presumably a location in NYC would be more expensive.)

    This “serve the table” thing has been a big trend, with innumerable Italian restaurants doing it, and some restaurants with other cuisines also.

    I thought these would have pivoted to individual servings in the Covid era. What wants to serve yourself a salad out of a bowl where a several others have already touched the bowl and tongs (even though they are presumably friends or family)?

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  17. Pericles says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, obviously they are not fighting against vaxx passports or whatever social (= whitey) issue of the day but for their strategic black privilege.

  18. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s a tourist restaurant, isn’t it?

    That would account for the three Texans eating there.

  19. El Dato says:

    They, too, were loud, and looked angry, but the group was not a large one.

    “After some time, the group protesting Alien Abductions and demanding reimbursement for anal probing seemed to run out of steam.”

  20. JimDandy says:

    More and more it’s becoming a poem for all occasions:

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  21. @Kronos

    Now if that isn’t white supremacism, nothing is. It’s to NOAAvail.

    • LOL: Kronos
  22. @John Johnson

    A green salad for \$28.95??

    Black olives matter.

    • Replies: @JimB
  23. El Dato says:

    An even more urgent matter BLM folk are too stupid to understand is Biden bringing in a ton of traumatized, war-hardened Afghans, most of whom are disgusted by black people, and don’t recognize shaming.

    Switch accelerationism to ludicrous speed!

    I’m looking forward to Antifa-Afghan clashes and drug deals gone wrong being on the other foot.

    Hereŝ an idea for Tarantino: make a movie about Afghan refugees making it big on the west coast.

  24. It looks like they’re inside the restaurant, ie private property.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    , @Tex
  25. cityview says:

    I’m not as convinced as most of you are (from the other thread) that this incident wasn’t staged. I think the behavior of the group from Texas was awful, never mind the vaccine issue. Am I the only person who thinks the man with the falling-down sweatpants really shouldn’t be in any restaurant (although I think he did restrain one of the women) dressed like that?

    Like quite a few of you, I spent some time in New York City about forty years ago. The Carmine’s story does show in several different ways how much has changed since then. If this restaurant is around 91st and Broadway, there were no touristy chains or family-style restaurants in that area that I recall. Other than the McDonald’s at 96th and Broadway, I remember diner-type coffee shops and modest Chinese-Cuban places. Then too, the photos of Carmine’s show much demographic change.

  26. @John Johnson

    Carmine’s is family style – the portions are huge and designed to be shared. That’s a salad for like 5.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  27. JimB says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A green salad for \$28.95??

    For that much money you could make enough salad for an entire PTA meeting

    • Replies: @RAZ
  28. Charon says:

    I’m not as convinced as most of you are (from the other thread) that this incident wasn’t staged.

    Well, in one sense it was definitely staged. That sense being negro antics in public meets ubiquitous cell phone recording meets possibility of ghetto lottery ka-ching.

    It’s not like every participant here (and everywhere) isn’t fully aware of the possibility of sudden fame and/or fortune in Current Year America.

    That knowledge provides extra impetus for letting one’s basest instincts loose, though one is compelled to add that generally speaking these people need no such assist.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Clyde
  29. @Anon

    Carmine’s is a small New York chain, but a nationwide chain comparison would be Buca de Beppo…

    Founded by a Lutheran, as Famous Dave’s was by a (feather) Indian a year later. Both were from Illinois. We had among the earliest “locations” of both in our old neighborhood within walking distance.

    Mrs C applied for a position at the Better Business Bureau state HQ, which was next door to Buca. They touted it as an amenity. Everyone ate there.

    The Bizarre History of Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain

  30. @cityview

    “The Carmine’s story does show in several different ways how much has changed since then. If this restaurant is around 91st and Broadway, there were no touristy chains or family-style restaurants in that area that I recall. Other than the McDonald’s at 96th and Broadway, I remember diner-type coffee shops and modest Chinese-Cuban places.”

    Have a read some time of Lanford Wilson’s great play “Balm in Gilead.” Or if you’re lucky, go see a good production of it. Eye-opening.

  31. anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:

    Trinidad-born mega-star Nicki Minaj – with1-billion-plus views on some of her music videos – is having major anti-vaccine impact, making the establishment quite nervous

    From family in Trinidad, Minaj heard the story of a man with physical and sexual difficulties after vaccination, and she urged enquiry into what is going on with these vaxes …Minaj has been under fire ever since, her relatives harassed and menaced by media figures

    Nicki Minaj, known for sexy glamour as a performer, has defended herself with impressive intelligence and bravery against an ugly swarm of attacks and smears

    Tho the establishment poses as ‘anti-racist’, the worst racism you see, is when the establishment starts hating a ‘person of colour’ who opposes establishment agendas

  32. @BB753

    My cousin’s best friend was one of the Von Trapp children in the movie.

  33. @Kronos

    Cool video of the Makah tribe’s Indigenous traditional whale hunters in their traditional Indigenous metal-and-fiberglass motorized whale-hunting boats.

    If they want to hunt whales according to their Indigenous traditions, why aren’t they hunting them in Indigenous traditional wooden sailboats?

    Indigenous. Indigenous.

    • Agree: fnn
  34. @Simon

    They were protesting the obvious White Supremacist racist racism of the 24-year-old Asian hostess who dared to ask for their vaccination certificates rather than have the restaurant pay a \$1,000 fine to NYC.

  35. @New Dealer

    I’m sorry you had to go through that, New Dealer. I experience that only once in a long while, having to put up with the idiot plate when visiting. Most friends and family are luckily not of that bent.

    In waiting rooms of various sorts and in gyms, I usually turn the thing off. Sometimes I’ve got to pull one of the plugs (power or signal, either end). Other times I’m not in a good mood, and if I’ve used the remote to turn it off, I’ll just stick that thing in a really weird, hard to find place. (Wouldn’t want the idiot plate coming back on in the middle of a workout, now would we?)

    • Replies: @3g4me
  36. Looks familiar.

    Time to show this again:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  37. Altai says:

    Look on the bright side , this makes a very good case to only employ North American/Western European employees in the service industry as Asians have demonstrated their risk of destroying the business by not dealing with black customers with the required cultural sensitivity.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  38. Arclight says:

    Everyone acts as though everyone will put up with black tantrums forever…although this kind of thing won’t end in the next 2-3 years, I do think we are closer to a time when it only happens in guilt-ridden areas of Portland and Seattle and most of the rest of the country is completely over it and stop taking it lying down.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  39. Clyde says:

    Well, in one sense it was definitely staged. That sense being negro antics in public meets ubiquitous cell phone recording meets possibility of ghetto lottery ka-ching.

    It’s not like every participant here (and everywhere) isn’t fully aware of the possibility of sudden fame and/or fortune in Current Year America.

    It never occurred to me that this was staged. But at this point every black person in America knows the potential cash outs that you mention. The antics you mention are always waiting in the wings along with their phones. The dumbest people are now walking around with their \$1000 latest iPhones.

    Blacks were never good with computers. But once Apple/iPhone and Android came along, they started to go to town. Reason being that their GUIs are vastly dumbed down from Windows. These GUIs are called Fisher-Price GUIs. GUIs that kinder gardeners can figure out.

    • Replies: @Spud Boy
  40. Clyde says:

    white women who complain over stupid shit are Karen’s, Black woman who get into fights over stupid shit are victims.

    Agree! For blacks it is all about gettin’ paid their reparations. And done minus any laws being passed…Yet!
    Restaurant Reparations Now! Now please just pass the ranch dressing to pour all over my food!

  41. JR Ewing says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You will often see “gotcha” responses to vax passport stories about how “Ha ha! Blacks are the least vaccinated group therefore this is actual institutional racism!”

    All this means is that they’ll not bother blacks like they’ll bother whites and the people in charge will feel virtuous about doing so.

    Equality before the law? Pfft. Who cares?

  42. Ian Smith says:
    @Def not Mitt Romney

    Yes, the ‘liberals are the real racists’ strategy has won the Right victory after victory. 🤓

  43. @Altai

    East Asians are Über Whites. Embrace them. Y0u can bring them over to our side.

    Have you ever paid attention to the way many East Asian young people speak in America? Some of them have a very American accent, as if they were either valley girls or Connecticut prep school girls with sweaters over their shoulders. They are White in many senses, perhaps most particularly intelligence and articulation.

    This comment exists only to posit that maybe there is a chance to co-opt Japanese, Korean, and maybe Chinese young people into our camp. Especially the females. They are great, and they love, love, love you guys. (You are, uh, bigger and rougher, and what woman does not like that?)

  44. RAZ says:

    Not sure if more than half black but I had been to that location several times over the years and had remarked to my wife in the past about the surprising number of large black groups having dinner there. So I wasn’t the only one who noticed. It’s not fine dining, but was a fun place for a large group, and black groups apparently felt as welcome as white ones.

    And wonder if those black groups are now convinced it is racist, or they get the inevitability of racism to be invoked everywhere?

  45. RAZ says:

    The cost of the dishes are not due to the exquisite food and fine dining experience, but due to their size. It’s not an order one entree per person type of place. If you do then you’re bringing lots home. The portions are immense and that \$28.95 salad might feed the PTA meeting.

  46. Kronos says:
    @Herp McDerp

    You could say it’s the fault of the white man. His evil boat technology is necessary due to his introduction of other evils such as sugary high carbohydrate processed food.

  47. Thoughts says:
    @Buzz Mohawk


    East Asians are only friends with whites when they Want Something.

    Mainly, white men…but social credit/jobs is another

    White women learn this…when white women are single and in the dating market…Asian women are their best friends. But once the white woman is ‘off the market’ (kids, married to a white man herself)…the single Asian women disappear….because the white woman loses her Worth To Them.

    White Asian relationships are purely utilitarian and anyone who thinks otherwise, even white men married to them, are fools

  48. @Buzz Mohawk

    I can’t figure out why alt right men are so enamored with Asian women. They vote Democrat. They prefer city life. They do work. Hmm….

  49. slumber_j says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Carmine’s is in large part a tourist restaurant, although the couple of times I’ve been there it was with (Irish) NYPD cops and/or ex-cops and that ilk.

    I think it’s maybe also a good place for middle/working-class New Yorkers to take their large families when they’re in Manhattan: those prices are for portions the size of a house that feed a whole table, not for single servings. So I suspect that the people I’ve ended up with there like it for nostalgic reasons and because it’s actually pretty reasonably priced for NYC and not bad.

    Anyway, Carmine’s is certainly not a snooty place for the elite or whatever–pretty much the opposite of that.

    • Agree: ATBOTL
  50. Charles says:

    I know this train left the station long ago – but – the actual “tweet” reads: “BLM activists confront the Carmines restaurant continuing to accuse them of being racist after an altercation…”

    In other words, if you read it as written, it is the restaurant which is accusing the protesters of being “racist”. The protesters confront what or whom? They confront the restaurant. That is their action, their “verb” if you will. The phrase “continuing to accuse them of being racist” belongs to “the Carmines restaurant”, because the verb “confront” belongs to the “activists”.

    What the hell difference does all this make? No difference whatsoever is made.

  51. @slumber_j

    I keep wanting to try Peter Lugar’s or some of the other ones in the city, but I don’t know. Do you? Is it like what you described, or is it something more? I ask as a long-time steak griller from out west.

    Maybe I can learn from them, but maybe not. I know how to select and cook a steak, and I wonder if I even should bother with what New York City boys do. Anyway, if you have anything to say about this, it will be appreciated. Thank you.

  52. Barnard says:

    What is it about Carmine’s that appeals to large groups of blacks? The comment that has a link to the menu says it has large portions that 2-3 people can share. Is the appeal that you can divide entrees and save money over the typical Manhattan restaurant?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  53. @Thought Himinal

    Carmine’s is family style – the portions are huge and designed to be shared. That’s a salad for like 5.

    Family style? How many kids are normally there?

    It’s just another restaurant where wealthy White libs overspend on food to feel important.

    Snap a pic of the dinner crowd and tell me I’m wrong.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @Thought Himinal
  54. Neuday says:
    @International Jew

    That “private property” gambit doesn’t work in this situation.

    We’ve gone from “bake the cake, bigot” to “feed the groids, bigot”.

  55. Dan Hayes says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Check out the recent Peter Lugar’s reviews. They are atrocious!

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  56. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Corona deniers here be like “these n*ggers are acting in an irrational and anti-social manner, we should be able to act like that too!” Gives a whole new meaning to the word “wigger.” We need to hack their Minecraft servers and steal their diamond swords.

  57. Here is a better video of what happened:

    BLM is terrible at picking battles.

    “Let’s believe the Black woman, you know why? Because I’m a Black woman and that happens,” said Caroline Gonve, founder of the Black Women’s March.

    Yea we’re all convinced.

    Black people do this whenever they are caught on video acting like idiots. YEA WELL SHE CALLED ME A NAGGER.

    No one buys it anymore. Anyone that has been around Blacks never bought it in the first place.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  58. @Buzz Mohawk

    I ate at Peter Luger’s a number of times, back in the day when I was working in the city. I don’t know anyone who has been to Peter Luger’s lately, and the word of mouth I heard a few years ago was that the service and ambience were abysmal-though it was always a no nonsense kind of place that just happened to have extraordinarily good steaks.

    Peter Luger’s received, notoriously, a zero-star review from the New York Times just a couple of years ago, confirming my impression.

    New York City has no shortage of decent steak restaurants for the business crowd, but then, so do many American cities, especially in the Mid/Southwest and West. Smith and Wollensky, Spark’s, The Palm Too, the Old Homestead, you can’t go wrong with any of those.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  59. guest007 says:

    One again, the short hand message of the protest is that blacks believe that rules are for others. Much like Steve’s thesis that blacks do not feel the need to pull over for law enforcement or comply with orders from law enforcements, blacks do not feel the need to comply with health regulations, housing regulations, noise regulations, or the requirements that college place on students.

  60. Tex says:
    @International Jew

    It looks like they’re inside the restaurant, ie private property.

    When has BLM ever been called to account for trespassing on private property?

  61. @PiltdownMan

    You know, it is sad, but I am beginning to see New York City as nothing better than an office center, a place where people go to work in skyscrapers and then go home as fast as they can.

    European cities, like my wife’s where we own an apartment, are so very different. They are places for living. Not New York. Not at all. It is a place to commute into and to get out of at the end of the day.

    This matters to me, because I live in the exurban outskirts of New York City. I have had to go and work in the city in the past. I know the Metro North train very well. New York City is the Jupiter around which we revolve. (Indeed, it is the gravitational center of the human world, for better or worse.)

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Jack D
  62. Mr. Anon says:

    This matters to me, because I live in the exurban outskirts of New York City. It is the Jupiter around which we revolve. (Indeed, it is the gravitational center of the human world, for better or worse.)

    For worse.

  63. Mr. Anon says:

    Let it burn. Let it all burn.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  64. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    From family in Trinidad, Minaj heard the story of a man with physical and sexual difficulties after vaccination

    Did she ask any skeptical questions like “why did large-scale comparison studies of the vaccine versus placebo fail to find this effect” or “did this man’s wife gain a lot of weight in the weeks leading up to the sexual difficulties?” Or is it just based on emoting rather than reasoning?

    • Replies: @Anon
  65. @Kronos

    If the whales are really starving that animal rights babe should let them eat off of her plate.
    Be good for her, too.

  66. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    What happens to the classic New York Steakhouse when the woke mayor of NYC (either this one, or the next, or the one after Xer) bans beef? What happens when New York starts to feel liike a vast, vegan commie labor camp? It may not be so appealing to the MOTU set when they can no longer get a steak and a martini after a long hard day of robbing the rest of the World. Perhaps they’ll decamp for Hong Kong or Shanghai.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  67. Jiminy says:

    Where’s that Korean bottle shop owner and his mate when they need him.

  68. @Achmed E. Newman

    There was a story a few weeks ago about the very same double standard policy you’re talking about. A hospital chain was talking about not admitting un-vaxxed patients EXCEPT if they were a person of color. The reasoning went that those people had a right to question medical authority because of past medical discrimination or something. So at first I imagine it will be an unwritten law that you just don’t question black folks about the vaccine, and once they get the legalese around it, it will become actual law. Anyways, have a wonderful day in Clown World.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    , @anonymous
  69. @Buzz Mohawk

    I think it has become that, over the last thirty years or so, especially once the murder and general crime rate dropped massively, starting with when Bill Bratton became police commissioner. New York was, until then, something of a mean and edgy place, but also had a rich local civic culture of its own, with a very strong creative and invidiualistic scene, and a strongly dedicated citizenry, from rich to poor, who, in many cases had lived there for more than one generation and partook of it, and felt a sense of egalitarianism that sprang simply from being in it together.

    But once it became calm and safe, it also became commodified, and the wealthy hordes moved in from the surrounding tri-state area, or their moneyed kids did, after college. In some way, it became less a place of its own, and more integrated into a sort of generic, safe, suburban American sensibility. That’s not a bad thing in itself, but, in retrospect, I think New York City needed the mean streets to keep its vital creative juices going, and a sense of egalitarianism alive.

    All that’s gone now, and much of the arts and creative scene is just post-modern, post-college posturing by the diverse. About the only thing that remains the same about New York City is the money business.

    If I may be so forward, there was no shortage of Buzz Mohawks in the City when I first got there in the 1970s. But there are almost none now, because they dislike it for the same reasons you do.

  70. @Buzz Mohawk

    As a born and bred NYCer, I can tell you that the very best steak I ever had was during a casual lunch at a strip club in Texas. The second best steak I ever had was ordering steak and eggs for breakfast in a hotel in…. Texas. The third best steak I ever had was at another strip club in….. Texas. The fourth best steak I ever had was at a posh business place in downtown Los Angeles where they got their dry-aged meat from… Nebraska and……. Texas.

    By now you’re sensing a pattern here. It’s a bit like sushi: all the best fish gets sent to Japan, no question; the second best fish goes to London, New York, LA, places like that. If you’re eating sushi in say Miami or Fort Worth, guess what you’re eating.

    NYC steak houses can have good steak and they sometimes do, but what they’re really selling is the “NYC steak house experience,” not actually good steak.

    The Peter Luger “steak house experience” is really just selling the “insider, Brooklyn dude” steak house experience. I threw my brother’s bachelor party starting with a 25-man dinner at Luger’s and it was totally fine, no one complained… but we all knew that we were there to have a bachelor party dinner, not to have amazing steak. They hooked us up, they kept the drinks coming, they were cool, and the steak was pretty good, but no one thought they were having some Ethereal Steak Experience. It just worked as an atmosphere which didnt disappoint. And that was enough.

    As these things go, I favor Smith and Wollensky, because it’s very proper and liturgical, it’s like going to the Church of Steak. But the meat is good and not exceptional. They just do it in a sort of performatively satisfying way.

    If you want great painting, I can tell you the right galleries, and they aren’t in the places you’d expect.

    If you want great steak, go somewhere anonymous in Texas.

    “If you want inside the well, boy you better make a raspberry swirl”
    –Tori Amos

    • Thanks: JMcG
  71. JR Ewing says:
    @Dan Hayes

    15-20 years ago when I was in a much more prominent job, I got to go to New York rather often and be entertained by vendors and brokers who wanted my business… but I never got to go to Peter Lugar’s. I heard how great it was and I always wanted to go but never did.

    And now my understanding is that it’s gone to shite. Yet another regret of lost youth.

    Life goes on.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  72. TWS says:
    @Herp McDerp

    They also had the traditional .50BMG to finish the whale.

    Just as the second amendment is not limited to muskets and the first to hand printed broadsheet, the makah can harvest as they choose.

    My kids said it was delicious.

  73. @John Johnson

    “A green salad for \$28.95??”

    That’s the price sans dressing. Hey salad lovers: you’re not fooling anyone. You’re in it for the dressing. You crave the smelly white goop. You will pay whatever it costs to guzzle the goop.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  74. @Buzz Mohawk

    “They are White in many senses, perhaps most particularly intelligence and articulation.”

    It is the advanced degreed, professional and expert class, and high-status cultural whites who are stitching together the bio-security technocratic state that Steve’s friend, Michel Foucault, envisioned. The intelligence of whites and the intermittently white Jews is vastly overrated. Most of these whites enjoy dressing on their salads.

  75. zundel says:

    isteve readers flying their rubeflags proudly, apparently unable to viddy the concept of a “family-style” throwback redsauce restaurant that serves gigantic portions to their elephantine tourist clientele

    no actual NYCer eats here or, indeed, at any place you would, on your twice-a-decade “business trip”

    enjoy your gourmet lunch of sonic cheezeburger slavered in chipotle-ranch mayo

  76. zundel says:

    how many chauvins are there anyway????

  77. @New Dealer

    Global warming, migration, pandemic, human rights activists.

    A friend who overhears NPR as his wife listens to it says that every story ends by tying the event to racism or global warming.

    I can’t speak from personal experience. I tuned out NPR at least 10 years ago, though I had once been a regular, if disgruntled, listener. I’ve boycotted all broadcast news since the 2016 presidential campaign. I found it was disturbing my sense of wellbeing.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Ragno
  78. jill says:

    The people arrested for “assaulting” the employee should have stated that they just broke through the southern border and Biden said that don’t need to be vaccinated because they don’t intend to stay

  79. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    I would stick to Manhattan steak houses, Homestead, Del Frisco’s or Keens. I haven’t been to PLs recently but word of mouth in the greater NYC area is that it’s gone downhill.

    Lesser known places worth a try include Tuscany (near central park) and Prime BLT (near Hunter College).

    Enjoy the smell of pot smoke and piss- ubiquitous since I started trekking back into Manhattan since April.

  80. Jack D says:
    @Herp McDerp

    Indigenous traditional wooden sailboats

    No such thing ever existed. The Makah made canoes by hollowing out logs – for a big seagoing canoe for whale hunting, you needed a really big log but they lived in a rain forest with gigantic cedar trees so these were at hand. The canoes were paddled.

    They never got as far as sailing technology. You can’t just put a mast up on a canoe and turn it into a sailboat. Canoes are very lightly built and lack the structural strength needed. The sail also exerts a tipping over force and a canoe would just tip right over as soon as the wind caught it. The Polynesians figured out that you could add an outrigger to prevent the canoe from tipping over but the Makah never got that far.

    This is a war canoe which is even bigger than a whaling canoe.

    • Replies: @Anon
  81. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Indeed, it is the gravitational center of the human world, for better or worse.

    You know, when I lived in NY I used to think that, but it’s not true any more if it ever was. NY has museums with masterpieces – other cities have museums with masterpieces. NY has restaurants with great food – other cities have restaurants with great food. NY has an arts scene – other cities have arts scenes. NY has cool old buildings, other cities have cool old buildings. NY has a subway and a grand train station, other cities have subways and grand train stations.

    Yes, everything in NY is on a larger scale, but do you really need TEN Burmese restaurants? One or two will get the job done and with a lot less hassle and attitude and usually with a smaller price tag than the same experience in NY. NYers take perverse pride in what a big hassle EVERYTHING is in NY. Can you imagine that apartments in Philly often have washer and dryers right in the apartment so you don’t have to take the elevator to the basement and put several \$ in the filthy coin operated machine. Can you imagine that a studio apartment in a good location doesn’t cost \$3,000/month? Can you imagine that when you go to Chinatown in Philly you can drive there with your car and just park it on the street (sometimes if you are lucky you get a spot right in front of the restaurant) or maybe pay \$8 for a garage. And the dim sum is just as dim summy as the dim sum in NY, even if the dim sum palace seats only 300 and not 800 (anyway, Jin Fong is out of business due to Covid). And so on.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @RAZ
  82. slumber_j says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I don’t think you’re really gonna learn anything from Peter Luger, except maybe that you should have brought *plenty* of cash (they only take their own credit card), and that if you own a high-end steakhouse with huge turnover in NYC you’ll have access to very good meat–as they unquestionably do. I could get into my actual problems with that restaurant, but they were adequately (if a bit too cruelly) covered in a brutal NYT review a couple of years ago, which you can Google.

    There’s a pretty high floor on the quality of meat at the better NYC steakhouses, and it doesn’t take a genius to cook this stuff correctly, so I’m generally there for the atmosphere. For that I’d recommend the extremely old-school Keens; I also like Gallagher’s and the Strip House. (Unlike Peter Luger, those are all in Manhattan and take credit cards and are otherwise not annoying.) I always split the absurdly large portions, and if you do that you end up with a high-end meal that’s not just insanely expensive.

    Bonus Keens tip: their mutton chop is justly famous, and perfect for splitting between two people with normal appetites.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  83. Jack D says:

    Yes, I know that it is judgmental and racist, but our war canoes were better than their war canoes.

  84. Old Prude says:
    @Herp McDerp

    ” traditional Indigenous metal-and-fiberglass motorized whale-hunting boats.” If I recall correctly they were blasting the whales with a .50 caliber rifle, just like in the olden days.

  85. @Jack D

    … what a big hassle EVERYTHING is in NY.

    Yes! I know well, as you obviously do.

    Everything you described is true, so we are left to ourselves to explain why NYC is still so “important.”

    From my exurban perspective, I want NYC to continue to be the world’s number one city. However, I can no longer honestly see it as such. It may be so in a business sense, but culturally it is now what I would modestly call a shit hole.

    I have been to Philly, and it is truly much nicer, just from a daily, enjoyment standpoint. My old employer had me lodged in the city. I took my wife, and we enjoyed your town very much. There was a very nice city market there, right in the middle. I’m sure you know the one…

    • Replies: @LP5
    , @Jack D
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
  86. El Dato says:

    It’s quite a bit like the mask pretend safety circus.

  87. Seriously, when did black folks going to Italian restaurants become a thing?

  88. @Simon

    If you’re going to Carmine’s for Italian in NYC, you’re doing it wrong. Like 99 cent pizza slices, only tourists and blegs eat that crap.

  89. LP5 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Philly is just a short train ride, two with the Dinky, from where I was staying in Princeton. I spent a delightful day being a tourist, with lunch at the City Tavern followed by touristy activities like Independence Hall followed by a visit to Wanamaker’s to buy lingerie for my then-girlfriend. Not enough time to squeeze in the Rocky statue. I’d visit again once pandemia recedes.

  90. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That would be the Reading Terminal Market. It has an interesting and long history. There was a farmer’s market there BEFORE the Reading Railroad purchased the block to build a train terminal in 1893. The market merchants refused to move out so the railroad made a deal with them that they would build their train station one level up and that the ground level would remain a farmer’s market. The market has now outlasted the railroad (the train shed on top is now part of the Convention Center).

    Given the downtown location, it could have easily been turned into a tourist trap like Faneuil Hall in Boston, selling overpriced sandwiches and tacky souvenirs to office workers and tourists. But the market management has really made an effort to make it a place where real food is still sold, with butchers and fish markets and produce stalls and so on. Many of the merchants are Amish who come in from the Pennsylvania Dutch country. Amish girls still consider baking pretzels to be a more suitable career than working for an NGO on whale liberation. This is a case where socialism (the market is owned by the Convention Authority ) actually works – a private landlord could charge more rent for a Subway or a McDonalds than they can ever get from a vegetable stall.

  91. I’ve been to this restaurant, its quite good and definitely a pre-theater idea. It’s on the Upper West Side, although the edge portion before you get into more Columbia area. Too bad they vote democrat, but they’re getting what they deserve.

    A nouveau-Giuliani could run next time merely showing shots this type of nonsense juxtaposed with shots of homeless drug dealers, flooding subways, CCTV footage of crimes, and graffiti. Without saying a word.

    (Just make sure you get the orthos and hasids in Brooklyn and Queens on your side.)

  92. bruce county says:

    All restaurants should move towards the prepaid meal like fast food does. This would definitely thin the herd of non paying, loud, violent malefactors.

  93. El Dato says:

    You know you are reaching maximum CLOWN COVID when reporters are hanging around boiling lava while dutifully wearing medical masks!

  94. El Dato says:

    …for all the wrong reasons.

  95. @Buzz Mohawk

    Go to Donahues on 64th & Lexington. It’s a tiny steak house that has never been updated since the 50s. A very simple menu, and a great bar. The bartender is about 75, yet there’s a picture of him tending the bar there when he was about 20.
    Keens on 36th & 6 Ave is worth it as well, but a bit pricier.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @slumber_j
  96. @niteranger

    Larry Elder setting the record straight on Black customers:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  97. @Buzz Mohawk

    I am sorry to read comments like this. My ambition ever since I learned about the place was to go to Balthazar’s and spend about four hours eating and socializing and getting tanked on expensive wine. Maybe one day.

  98. @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, I love it. All the anti-vaxx people on here are anti-black.

    But many blacks are anti-vaxx.

    But when blacks are anti-vaxx, then the anti-vaxxers on here are pro-vaxx!

    Real consistent.

    Don’t give me none of your dumb rationalizations. What I said’s the absolute truth.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  99. FPD72 says:
    @John Johnson

    A green salad for \$28.95??

    Wealthy White libs and BLM deserve each other.

    It’s a f-king salad.

    Yes, it’s a tourist place but the portions are huge. Mrs. FPD and I ate at the theater district location a few years ago after seeing Miss Saigon. We ordered one lasagna, which today is about \$35. We ate half of it and took the other half back to our timeshare, where we had it for lunch the next day. And we are not light eaters. Every item on the menu should be considered an order for four.

    It’s midtown Manhattan. Restaurants are expensive but the quality is usually good. Even chains, such as the Times Square Olive Garden, are expensive. If you want to eat cheap, there are a few nicer options, such as the misnamed Dallas Barbecue on 42nd Street.

  100. El Dato says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Somewhat similar to a Didgeridoo, the Naggerfone has been the traditional implement of Black People to state their opinion or place an order for foodstuff for thousands of years of recorded African history. It is customarily flared at one end and painted in high-visibility tribal colors. Here we see it in action in a contemporary setting, specifically at Starbucks.”

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  101. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, Italian food for White people. Those who grew eating Chef Boyardee. Chef Boyardee with Velveta cheese on top = “pasta parm”. Sauce like your mother used to buy. In my house salad was served after the meal, lettuce with EVOO, wine vinegar and sliced oranges, then dessert. When was the last time Whites picketted a soul food restaurant…never.

    • Replies: @RAZ
  102. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s a bit like the Nazis versus the Soviets: couldn’t we fix it so they BOTH lose?

    I give BLM credit here. I want DeBlasio to have to defend a policy that keeps black men from sitting down at a lunch counter. We need to find an actual lunch counter that will turn away black men.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  103. blm shows up to protest a alleged slight but dozens of little black kids gunned down in US cities not a word. These people are scum.

  104. prosa123 says:
    @Herp McDerp

    I have no issues with allowing the Makah and some other tribes to catch the occasional whale. While we think of whales as critically endangered many species aren’t endangered at all.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  105. prosa123 says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Keen’s is a gem. Expensive of course, but worth it for a (very) occasional splurge. Another excellent and also expensive spot is the Greek seafood restaurant Avra, on 60th Street just east of Fifth. It’s a huge restaurant that was once housed the famous Copacabana nightclub.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @Anonymous
  106. JMR says:

    Busy making themselves welcome, I see.

  107. slumber_j says:
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Donohue’s is fantastic, and I’m a huge fan, but I would never recommend going there for the food unless you really want to teleport back to the 1970s and before. I mean, that’s kind of great too in its way, and God knows I’ve eaten there plenty of times but… I guess I think of Donohue’s as The Last Bar and Grill.

    And Keens as I’ve indicated elsewhere is pretty much my ideal NYC steakhouse.

  108. slumber_j says:

    My wife had lunch at Avra yesterday for the first time in a long while and reports that it’s held up well–and that lunch is actually a really good value given where and what it is.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  109. Right up Steve’s alley (or whatever they have out there in Studio City): Joy Reid digs up the late Gwen Ifill’s “Missing White Girl Syndrome”, i.e. media cover the Gabby Petitos but not abductees of color.

    Well, no. Not since they were humiliated by Wayne Williams forty years ago. The unusually sane columnist William Raspberry was among the few who correctly predicted the killer’s profile.

  110. @SunBakedSuburb

    “A green salad for \$28.95??”

    That’s the price sans dressing. Hey salad lovers: you’re not fooling anyone. You’re in it for the dressing. You crave the smelly white goop. You will pay whatever it costs to guzzle the goop.

    I actually am a salad lover and I don’t like that much dressing. Just a little oil and vinegar is fine. However I rarely buy salad or soup at a restaurant unless it is a side. I normally get a steak with a baked potato.

    Restaurant salad is not only overpriced but the most likely way to get food poisoning. The house salad on the side is usually safe since they just spoon it out of a bin.

    I’ve had food poisoning and it was awful. I’ve ate at some sketchy looking places and of course I got ecoli at an upscale restaurant.

    It is scary as to how fast it hits you. If you feel sick about 30 minutes after eating then you need to throw up the food right away. The longer you wait the sicker you will be. I was on a street and made myself puke in some bushes. I could tell something was very wrong. An hour later I was on the floor in sheer pain.

    Bon appetit!

  111. slumber_j says:
    @Harry Baldwin


    After an entrepreneurial triumph and some other stuff my previous father-in-law decided to become a writer in the late 1980s, and he had some significant success in that field too. With the immense advance on his first (and to date still only) novel, he bought a decaying hulk of a Queen Anne house overlooking the Hudson in Riverdale, in the Bronx.

    There he and his second wife raised their two sons while he wrote and she psychoanalyzed. At the end of a short day’s tussle with the prose in his second-floor study, he’d lie down on the sofa there, turn on NPR, close his eyes and hate-listen to All Things Considered–all three hours of it or whatever.

    If you were anywhere near his lair in that vast house you’d hear the muffled cries from his closed study door. Sometimes it was “NEEEcarAAAH-wah!” or “MahREEEah EEENoHOOOsah!” But more often it was just “AAAAAGHHHH!!!!!”

    He kept his eyes closed the whole time for better concentration. I really admired him for that.

    • LOL: Calvin Hobbes
  112. @TomSchmidt

    Do they have lunch counters anymore? They were inside drug stores. Now there’s a complicated touch-screen-run blood pressure machine, a little vaxing area, and a few surly workers. Maybe in an all-you-can-eat buffet when a 500 lb. black woman who has eaten every tray of shrimp gets told “you must go now.”

    How about this? DeBlasio does a re-do of the city bus thing. You just have to find some white people who will not only RIDE the bus, but aren’t afraid to move from the back and even talk to any black people out of fear of nothing but trouble. Maybe a bus full of white actors and black ringers, such as Rosa Parks was.

    I agree with y our point though, Tom. I don’t live there, so I can follow this stuff with a little glee.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  113. @Anonymous Jew

    I really don’t like Larry Elder.

    He has been around and understands Blacks which means he knows that some youtube video of him asking nicely won’t change a damn thing.

    So he is really just trying to win over Whites for his libertarian radio show.

    Too many Blacks can ruin a restaurant. Same for pizza delivery.

    It’s not all bad news though. Blacks have helped a lot of White college students waiting tables to question what they are told. Everyone can buy into egalitarian theory until it hits them in the wallet.

  114. JimB says:
    @New Dealer

    I’m visiting old friends and circumstances forced me to watch the PBS News Hour/DNC Ministry of Truth, which I last watched 30 years ago. Remarkably, host Judy W has had exactly the same fashionable opinions for 40 years now (I’ve had three revolutions in worldview over that period). Guested by mulatta in quirky glasses, conquistadora-Americana, New York Jewess Biden bureaucrat, business-attired butch-dyke; each childish, emotional, and weakly informed. Hectoring fist in velvet elite glove.

    The velvet glovers are the elite institutions of credentialing, formerly the elite institutions of learning. I have a theory, that the elite colleges no longer select the best and brightest because their two most influential selection criteria are the SAT and personal essays. SAT tests can now be studied for (correlation coefficient with IQ now 0.48 vs 0.85 in the ’70s) and unproctored essays can be farmed out to unscrupulous English PhDs with heavy education debt via the internet. In my opinion, the 50’s through 80’s were the decades of peak merit. Expect a progressive decline in the brainpower of the ruling class who must pass through America’s elite colleges.

  115. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:

    Keens accommodates non vaxxed with sturdily constructed, HVAC-equipped sliding door booths. You can people watch in your own little fish bowl sucking down prime rib!

  116. @Rooster111

    “The reasoning went that those people had a right to question medical authority because of past medical discrimination or something.”

    But the “historical” rationalization is always based on a pile of lies, like the Tuskegee blood libel. Lies, on top of lies, on top of lies. That’s “black history.”

  117. RAZ says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I’ve had amazing Italian food – in Italy (never had as good in the US as the best I’ve had in Italy). That is not the kind of restaurant Carmines is aspiring to be. It’s a fun, red sauce family style restaurant best for large groups so you can share multiple dishes. Have always enjoyed it when I’ve been there. But I wouldn’t want to go more than about once every other year.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Buffalo Joe
  118. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    We already saw this last year with the refusal to hold BLM rallies to social distancing rules. Complaints were waved away with the claim that “racism is a public health crisis”.

  119. JimDandy says:

    Well, she’s Asian, so… But, yeah, occasionally there is good news:

    Parents, teachers, and students were furious when a beloved high school principal in Texas was suspended from his post at Colleyville High School last month. Dr. James Whitfield, the school’s first Black principal, was put on administrative leave after being accused of pushing critical race theory in the school’s curriculum. Now, it seems as if their attempts to save him were all in vain. On Monday night, the Grapevine Colleyville Independent School District voted unanimously not to renew Whitfield’s contract.

    • Replies: @Bartleby the Scrivner
  120. @El Dato

    I’m stealing “Naggerfone.” Excellent.

  121. @John Johnson

    The problem is that in New York City, for generations, there have been people in powerful institutions who support racist black women. Not that they believe them—severely retarded people (as other retarded folks call them, “low grades”) know better than that. But they are loyal to them. They call themselves “allies.”

    Some of them are ADAs in the Manhattan DA’s office. Heck, the Manhattan DA, Cy Vance Jr., is an ally, as was his predecessor, Robert Morgenthau, who was DA going back to King George III.

    I came here from West Germany, back in August, 1985. The next spring I was riding the subway to Brooklyn. The attractive, petite, honey blonde in her late 20s (my age) sitting next to me and I seemed to have rapport, so I remarked, “New York is a mean town.”

    My meaning was clear.

    She responded, “I think you’re the mean one.”

    She had mentioned that her husband was a New York City police detective. Did he just never talk about what he saw on “the job”—White cops traditionally have not brought their work home—or was he just another lying liberal, like her?

    And things have gotten much worse since then.

    BTW, I never experienced that crime drop. I was living in black Far Rockaway from June 1994 (Rudy Giuliani’s first year as mayor)-September, 1997. I had White cops who, instead of arresting people for jumping me in a Korean deli, insulted me.

    A few months ago, Steve talked about the psychological deprivations of crime victims. Imagine you’re a victim of racially motivated, violent crime, and not only do racist blacks support your attacker, but so do your fellow Whites? Even to the point of making false police reports on your attacker’s behalf, or joining in the attack? The Whites who fled at the first chance were the smart ones.

    Years ago, Jared Taylor observed to me, “Whites always run.”

    But he never lived in a “diverse” city.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  122. prosa123 says:

    Quite true. \$31.50 for the lunch special at Avra is one of the best deals around. For two people, with a drink each and a decent tip, figure about \$120.
    By way of comparison, a few weeks ago we went to an Outback here in the suburbs. Granted, we ordered two of the more expensive items, porterhouse and filet mignon, as well as two unremarkable fried appetizers and a total of three drinks, and left a decent tip, but I’m sorry, \$175 for two people at a themed chain restaurant was absurd.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  123. @RAZ

    Italian food in the U.S. has improved tremendously since I was a kid, but for a big group with divergent tastes, a Red Sauce Italian restaurant that tries to reproduce the basic postwar Italian restaurant experience can be a good common denominator choice. There are good reasons Italian restaurants were wildly popular in the U.S. in 1955:

  124. @RAZ

    Raz, there is a well known Italian restaurant in Buffalo where Italians don’t eat. It is Italian food for White people. Just like PF Changs is Chinese food for White people. I shake my head when they call tomato sauce red gravy. Whatever.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  125. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    This is a war canoe which is even bigger than a whaling canoe.

    Well, this is an actual whaling canoe. Note the sail:


    Furled and the boat drawn up:

    Probably this was derived from contact with Europeans, but it’s not as though Europeans never adopted anything from anyone else either.

  126. @Achmed E. Newman

    I have eaten within the past two years at a lunch counter in NYC. We definitely need to have a black person turned away from one for lack of vaccination, AEN.

    Interesting that you mention buses and segregation. A few years back there was a controversy on a public bus that was meant to transport Hasidic Jews from one part of Brooklyn to the other. In an example of how concentrated voting blocs equal power, they had actually gotten the city to agree that the bus would have segregated seating, with men in one section and women in the other.

    For all the people on Unz who complain about “the Jews,” you have to admire how they got the nation’s largest city, run by liberals for years, to agree to institute segregation when it suited them. You just wish your own group had that kind of power.

  127. nglaer says:

    There was a Mideastern restaurant called CLEOPATRA at 93rd. When it was sold, the new owner kept the letters and rearranged to AT OUR PLACE. (I guess he got a U from somewhere).

    • Replies: @cityview
  128. danand says:

    “Am I the only person who thinks the man with the falling-down sweatpants really shouldn’t be in any restaurant…”

    Cityview, no, you’re not.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @J.Ross
  129. Spud Boy says:

    Yeah, what we need are cell phones that have command line interfaces, or better yet, enter your commands in machine code in hexadecimal.

  130. @prosa123

    Tbere’s been a lot of inflation in restaurant prices over the last few years, Prosa. Sit down chain ones are the ones for which I’ve seen the highest increases. If you have gone to a few of those NYC places multiple times spread out over the years, maybe you can tell me if you’ve seen big increases.

  131. JMcG says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The south Philly Italians all call it gravy too. It’s a badge of honor for them. My brother married a girl of Italian descent. We could never understand why she refused to eat good old Ragú Marinara sauce until she offered to make us a nice bowl of instant mashed potatoes. Take care, Joe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  132. Anon[134] • Disclaimer says:

  133. anonymous[992] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyways, have a wonderful day in Clown World.

    It’s perfectly logical and you best get used to it. The Strong do as they will, the whites suffer as they must. Thus it is today and thus it will be ever more so in the future. Rather than moan about the “double standard” I would suggest you instead enjoy these last few waning years where you whites are being spanked ever so gently ostensibly for being too powerful and privileged.

    I guarantee you that the spanking will greatly intensify when the demographics mean that such pretenses are no longer necessary and the only justification given will be “there ain’t nothin’ you can do about it, so bend over and touch your toes.” Your present troubles are but a honeymoon compared to what’s coming down the pipe, my sweet summer child.

  134. @Barnard

    What is it about Carmine’s that appeals to large groups of blacks? The comment that has a link to the menu says it has large portions that 2-3 people can share.

    A lot of the black people I see look as if they regularly consume portions intended for 2-3 people. So perhaps Carmine’s appeal is that it serves portions they regard as normal.

  135. Redman says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Not that location. That one is in Times Square. This is the original Carmines which dates back to about 1988. One of the first upscale family-style Italian restaurants in the city. Was huge with the Columbia University crowd when I was an undergraduate. Also one of the longest lasting restaurants on the Upper Westside, if not the longest lasting one.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  136. @Buzz Mohawk

    This explains the black violence against random Asians. Blacks resent the Asian-Americans jumping ahead of them on the status hierarchy. Blacks, being unsophisticated, see Asian-Americans as sort of foreign, thus undeserving of being ranked above them.

  137. El Dato says:

    What I said’s the absolute truth.

    Don’t let anything stop you.

  138. @danand

    What is striking is the body language of the Black guys.

    The Black men present act as if they’ve often seen this kind of behavior coming from Black women before, and they move in, almost as a matter of routine and without much fuss, to act to separate the Black women physically from the victim.

  139. cityview says:

    I actually remember that, now that you mention it! I recall reading about the repurposed letters. There were a few other places of that era that did the same, I think. O’Neal’s Baloon was another one; I think it had been Saloon.

  140. @interesting

    The name for them is Kadeesha. They don’t just demand to speak to the manager like a Karen would. They demand that the employee and the manager be fired, and gather OBLM terrorists to prevent other customers from visiting the establishment.

    Are there no police dogs or fire hoses in NYC?

  141. @JimDandy

    Apparently he’s not that “beloved”.

    Jogger be gone!

  142. Forbes says:
    @John Johnson

    The wealthy don’t eat at Carmine’s. It’s for large group parties–the only time I’ve eaten there–serving tables of 6-16. Many so-called Italian restaurants in Manhattan are “family style.”

  143. ATBOTL says:
    @John Johnson

    Typical small brained boomer comment. These “muh red state” type boomers will think of any excuse not to defend a white American under attack.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  144. Old Prude says:

    “Catch” the whale? Like with a harpoon? Ha! Blast it with a high-powered rifle is more like it. Leave the poor whales alone.

    These whale killers are almost as bad as bird hunters. Blowing quail out of the sky with an automatic shotgun. What’s the fun in that? At least the whale has enough meat to make a meal.

  145. Muggles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    When I read that this Carmines Restaurant had been chosen by BLM to be the poster child for their latest Fake Outrage, I also read that they were urging blacks (Blacks!) to boycott it.

    So question of the day is whether or not you think that a public “black boycott” of some Italian restaurant there will hurt or help their business?

    Sure a few white commies will avoid it, but what about everyone else? Blacks? Anyone?

    It is also possible that a Whites Only restaurant there could prove very popular. Now that’s the “love that dare not speak it’s name” for you…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  146. J.Ross says:

    My first impression of a reasonably authentic (not S’barro’s) Italian restaurant from childhood: the food is delicious but the other customers (solidly white*) are unbearably loud. The main problem with blacks in a restaurant (unless you expect a tip) is their natural conversational speaking voice, through no fault of their own, is irritatingly loud for indoor use. There are certain whites, known to frequent New York, with the exact same characteristic.
    *(“white.” But definitely neither Tunisian, nor Dutch.)

  147. J.Ross says:

    Apparently sweatpants are now only problematic in the event of plaxication, so, if they constantly fall down, it’s like a safety feature?

  148. J.Ross says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    But if constant insult and easily prevented danger causes you to give up on your life and just try to muddle through with your humiliated head permanently down, our leaders and their policies will be criticized less. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

  149. Ragno says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I had once been a regular, if disgruntled, listener. I’ve boycotted all broadcast news since the 2016 presidential campaign. I found it was disturbing my sense of wellbeing.

    I am learning that lesson the hard way these past 12 months. Nothing disturbs the ol’ sense of wellbeing like the feeling of being trapped in the back seat of a car rolling inexorably over the edge of a cliff, except maybe the slow-motion realization that the cavalry is not coming over that hill – or, worst of all, that the cavalry is coming over the hill: Joe Biden’s US cavalry, with orders to shoot anything that moans or twitches after the car slams down to earth.

    I was never a NPR habitué, due to its making my skin crawl… cold turkey is a more comprehensive abstention from all “news” and commentary sites – though there are a few, like this place, where I’ll break my fast every few days to binge-read a few articles. But it’s a bad business all around, and I can’t help but wonder if the Left isn’t prompting this kind of aversion therapy by design: maybe their top shysters have determined that a target population that avoids every kind of news venue will be slack-jawed putty in the hands of the Kosher Nostra. Though I secretly suspect a “media vaccine” is the only breadcrumb trail we’ve got that doesn’t lead to air-strikes against white Americans, who knows? Maybe the only thing worse than civil war is civil war prevented through relentless political repression.

    In any event – thank God for Project Gutenberg & the Internet Archive.

  150. @ATBOTL

    Which white American was under attack? I thought she was a gook.

  151. @anonymous

    Nicki Minaj, known for sexy glamour as a performer…

    …and, like Camille Cosby and Hillary Clinton, married to a rapist:

    At least a principled stand on viral vaccine mandates helps distinguish her from Rihanna and Beyoncə, who are hard to tell apart.

  152. @slumber_j

    Carmine is the sort of name you’d expect for an east coast Italian wannabe gangster.

  153. RAZ says:
    @Jack D

    I’m near NY but agree with you and think NY is way beyond the ideal size for a city and you can have the culture and restaurants, etc. in a much more pleasant and liveably sized city. Maybe not Broadway for theater but how often do I go to Broadway anyway?

    Always thought Boston and SF were better sized alternatives with plenty of what you really want in a city. Course I’m thinking of what SF was and not what it has become.

  154. Jack D says:

    It’s not just Philly. There are pocket of northern NJ and other areas (Boston, Chicago) where it’s also called “gravy” .

    BTW, it should be just “gravy” – if you call it “red gravy” or “Sunday gravy” that’s fake – of course it’s red and you usually cook it on Sunday, but that goes without saying, calling it “red gravy” is like calling something “feet shoes” – it’s redundant.

    Gravy is the translation of ragù . Not the crap in a jar, but what Southern Italians call ragù. Ragù alla napoletana is a dish that is made by simmering large cuts of meat and/or sausage (preferably both) in a tomato base for a long time. The meats are then removed from the liquid and served as a second course and the meat flavored liquid that remains behind is served over pasta as the first course. This liquid is the stuff that became known as “gravy” in certain Italian-American communities. One theory is that this was to distinguish it from salsa (di pomodoro), which translates as tomato sauce, but which is a completely different thing – just a quick sauce of crushed tomatoes without any meat. Gravy is a liquid made of meat drippings so it was plausible to translate ragù as gravy and salsa as sauce – it didn’t make any sense (to some people) to call them both “sauce” when a salsa and a ragù are two completely different things.

    In any case it was a point of pride for Italian Americans to serve a big pot of this stuff made with lots of assorted meats on Sunday. Back home in Italy only a rich man could have afforded such a pot full of meat. A peasant would have had to satisfy himself with a bit of hog jowl except maybe on some very special occasion (a wedding) but in America even an ordinary working man could afford to have his wife treat his extended family to whole cuts of meat on a weekly basis.

    • Agree: slumber_j
  155. I saw something funny in NYC a week back.

    I was at a show last Sunday in NYC and a trans person tried to get in without a vaccine passport. The doorman told the transgirl:: “Sorry, bro. No one without a vaccine passport or proof gets in.” The transgirl replied: “You just misgendered me, you fucking nigger!” The headlining band was about to boot party the TG, but the show organizer stopped them because they didn’t want to get the show shut down.

  156. Ed Case says:

    Just Googled Keens,, anyway, is this Hogget [aged 1-2 years], or is it Mutton [aged over 2 years]?

  157. Ed Case says:

    That’s a Great White, not a whale.

  158. @John Johnson

    I’ve eaten there on trips to New York. It’s mostly large parties. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and that’s especially dumb because you could just check Yelp. Everyone says it’s family style, the portions are huge, “We were a party of seven last Monday” and so on.

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