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Workhorse iSteve content generator Karen Attiah, Global Opinions Editor of the Washington Post, has a Post column brim-full of the wry, humble self-awareness without the slightest hint of megalomania that we’ve all come to associate with black women’s opinionizing:

America hates to let Black women speak

Opinion by Karen Attiah
Global Opinions editor
Oct. 8, 2020 at 8:56 a.m. PDT

The plexiglass was also an onstage reminder of the barriers that non-White women face when vying for political power in this country.

Isn’t everything a reminder of how non-white women never get to talk?

… Black women especially have to be seen to be tough, but we aren’t allowed to be angry, even if our anger is justified in a country that too often silences us.

… Will Harris’s audition for the role of vice president capture significant donor dollars in a society that loves to tell Black women that we are worth less than others?

… For Black women, this was, in prime time, like watching Whiteness and the patriarchy at work. Pence’s interruptions of Page and the way he plowed through her attempts to silence him showed his disrespect for her. But the way Page more aggressively tried to limit Harris’s time was all too familiar in how White women can also be complicit in silencing Black women. Americans love to make empowering memes and sound bites showing powerful Black women fighting to reclaim their time, and yet time and space are sometimes the last thing America wants to wants us to have, even when we play by the rules.

… But I wish Black women didn’t have to work so hard. I yearn for an America where non-White women don’t have to battle for the bare minimum: to be allowed to speak.

— From the Washington Post

 
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  1. She’s good with the nitty-gritty facts, too.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Arthur Biggs
    @Anonymous

    The simple answer would be because of the Democrat governors that forced nursing homes to admit coronavirus patients. The high death toll is a direct result of those early mistakes in a handful of states.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    She's right about this. I have looked at the actuarial tables and 100% of all Americans die eventually. You can't get any worse than that.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Getaclue
    @Anonymous

    Obesity of some "folk"?

  2. On Kamala Harris, Reggie observed, “Dat B—h ain’t no Dindu, she a Hindu!”

  3. Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I’m going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I’m wagering about 98% of those men would be…puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Art Deco

    A wise man once observed: the "silenced" voices seem to be the only ones we're allowed to hear these days. Near as I can tell, it's been this way for at least fifty years now.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pericles, @Muggles

    , @Ano
    @Art Deco

    Yes, who knows how many of her WaPo office colleagues there are who wish Attiah the Hun would give her mouth a rest- whether for the peace and quiet, or just to get a word in edgewise.

    , @Clyde
    @Art Deco

    Your attempt at racial poetry gets X Rating. Must be your transracial yelp for help/ yeah she sucks.

    , @mmack
    @Art Deco

    With women in general, and Diverse women specifically, silence is golden because like gold, silence is rare, hard to find, and incredibly valuable when you do get it.

    (And so then she said ..... 💁🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♂️)

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Art Deco

    Black women are just so soft-spoken and demure, we may never get to hear what they really think.

  4. Oprah should interview this woman in a special multi-hour video on the topic of “America hates to let black women speak”. Michelle Obama could join in via Zoom.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @anon

    > Oprah should interview this woman in a special multi-hour video on the topic of “America hates to let black women speak”. Michelle Obama could join in via Zoom.

    Oprah often discusses current events with multiple guests. She should also invite Nikole Hannah Jones (only one Pulitzer) and Althea Bernstein (Hawaiian shirt assault ignored). As a counterpoint, add one or two of the black lady jurors from the OJ case, whose voices were heard (Nicole Simpson is unavailable).

  5. Apparently, the moderator shouldn’t have tried to limit Harris’ speaking time, and Pence shouldn’t have attempted to rebut her statements.

    She does realize that this was a debate of sorts, right?

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @black sea

    Went looking for the infamous black debate champs.

    Apparently it's been taken down now.


    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74f_1401411806

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9R2uTwCiNv4

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Dube
    @black sea

    I remember that clip with the debaters taking deep glugs of air to blow densities of information as rapidly as possible. The debaters happened to be black, and here that was taken as, well, ya see? But from what I've heard, in recent years that's what has happened in organized school debating generally, not just with that team. Scores have become weighted by the load of facts, so the faster you talk, the more the credit. That realization seems to have become acknowledged even among the sponsors and judges, as I heard a few years ago, with machine-gunning syllables sounding outside in the halls during tournaments, and apparently no corrective trend has developed.

    But this from me is hearsay. I stepped out of my high school debate team practice and let my colleagues with their collected facts and quotations on 3" x 5" file cards go on to become state champs. And I remain proud of them. Some here will recall that the topic in those days was: Resolved: the Electoral College should be abolished.

    After that topic having been batted back and forth for many years by many people, no one may grumble about democracy subverted by that there Electrical College. Who started that thing? Ben Franklin with his kite? (Nick me a point: can't find my correct
    3 x 5.)

  6. Black women must be allowed to speak. If we continue to prevent them from speaking out about issues, they are going to relocate to other countries.

    If the United States loses its Black women, we are done as a nation. We would be forced to quickly import African women and develop a program to rapidly make them insanely angry. That’s a possible job for Kamala Harris post election.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Just another serf

    I'm sure Steve has mentioned this, but this girl is not only the personification of the Karen meme [I am sure she never hesitates to ask to speak to the manager] but she's also an imported African. Both her parents are immigrants. The same is true of Kamala Harris, of course. Rootless "fellow black people" cashing in on American blacks' black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Replies: @ic1000, @ben tillman, @restless94110

    , @Justvisiting
    @Just another serf

    I haven't heard a black woman speak since I retired.

    I so miss hearing the screeching and whining and endless drama... :-)

  7. Black women need to get on unz.com; use the MORE button; and blab to their heart’s content.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @bomag

    If you’ve ever seen someone around here say “dude, use the MORE button” you would realize it’s an attempt at silencing. Telling a bLACK woman to use the ‘more’ function would be a hate crime, plus your post would have made electrons cross state lines and thus be subject to federal enhancement.

    , @iDeplorable
    @bomag


    Black women need to get on unz.com; use the MORE button; and blab to their heart’s content.
     
    It all makes sense now. Reg Caesar is a black woman
  8. Mrs. George Lucas.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @MEH 0910

    Johnson County, Iowa, in which is located the lunatic asylum known as the University of Iowa, is having its history rewritten. Instead of being named for the vice president in the Martin Van Buren administration, it is now named for some obscure Negress who got a PhD in 1941 whose thesis was on slavery (oh the originality!!).

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    , @Pericles
    @MEH 0910

    And here I was hoping it would become the Gucci Mane Building. Dang.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @TomSchmidt
    @MEH 0910

    Any updates on whether Princeton will pay back the $75 million because they're "racist?"

    , @Anon7
    @MEH 0910

    Hobson's choice.

  9. @Art Deco
    Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I'm going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I'm wagering about 98% of those men would be...puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Ano, @Clyde, @mmack, @Hypnotoad666

    A wise man once observed: the “silenced” voices seem to be the only ones we’re allowed to hear these days. Near as I can tell, it’s been this way for at least fifty years now.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    That same wise man may be the one who also observed, “Homosexuality used to be the love that dare not speak its name and now it’s the love that won’t shut the fuck up.”

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    , @Pericles
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Perhaps it is so we shall not forget why they were silenced in the first place.

    , @Muggles
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    The term "ratchet" per Wikipedia (and common black/hip-hop knowledge) is a loud obnoxious black woman who won't shut up.

    You see these frequently in cell phone videos of black women fighting or arguing with each other or anyone else. A black (Black!) Karen thing.

    The 6th definition in the Urban Dictionary (the prior ones are all nonsensical or normal) is this:


    A ghetto girl who is loud and obnoxious and constantly causing drama and usually trashy.
    A ratchet girl would wear a sweat suit and talk like this: " o hell naw i know that bitch was not talking to my man I finna beat her ass, ooo she is so fake."
    by real things April 09, 2012
     

    Wikipedia barely acknowledges this as it has been Woke sanitized. They do acknowledge that it was coined by rappers circa 2010. The term has southern dialect roots and rappers coining it were mainly from the south.

    These women can be found in a lot of contexts. The more they "argue" or threaten, and escalate, the louder they become. Then pushing and finally (sometimes) hair pulling. That's all out war.

    There are white women like this. Fat, tatted up, sloppy, entitled, sometimes even sober.

    Even if by some chance you don't want to hear what black women are speaking, often you have little choice. Other than to remove yourself.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  10. OT, @Steve:

    »Wendy Carlos (born Walter Carlos; November 14, 1939) is an American musician and composer best known for her electronic music and film scores. Born and raised in Rhode Island, Carlos studied physics and music at Brown University before moving to New York City in 1962 to study music composition at Columbia University. … She composed the score to two Stanley Kubrick films – A Clockwork Orange (1971) and The Shining (1980)…

    In 1979, Carlos was one of the first public figures to disclose her sex reassignment surgery, having undergone it seven years earlier.«

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(soundtrack)

    • Replies: @Ano
    @theo the kraut

    Unless your reference point is just Americans....

    1972: Wally Stott - Angela Morley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Morley#Personal_life

    1974: John - Jan Morris

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris#Personal_life

    Even earlier examples? Anybody?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rohirrimborn

    , @MEH 0910
    @theo the kraut

    https://twitter.com/Mixmag/status/1312324077928034311

  11. @black sea
    Apparently, the moderator shouldn't have tried to limit Harris' speaking time, and Pence shouldn't have attempted to rebut her statements.

    She does realize that this was a debate of sorts, right?

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Dube

    Went looking for the infamous black debate champs.

    Apparently it’s been taken down now.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74f_1401411806

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

    Replies: @Possumman

  12. @theo the kraut
    OT, @Steve:

    »Wendy Carlos (born Walter Carlos; November 14, 1939) is an American musician and composer best known for her electronic music and film scores. Born and raised in Rhode Island, Carlos studied physics and music at Brown University before moving to New York City in 1962 to study music composition at Columbia University. ... She composed the score to two Stanley Kubrick films – A Clockwork Orange (1971) and The Shining (1980)...

    In 1979, Carlos was one of the first public figures to disclose her sex reassignment surgery, having undergone it seven years earlier.«

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(soundtrack)

    Replies: @Ano, @MEH 0910

    Unless your reference point is just Americans….

    1972: Wally Stott – Angela Morley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Morley#Personal_life

    1974: John – Jan Morris

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris#Personal_life

    Even earlier examples? Anybody?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Ano

    Christine Jorgensen was much in the news in the early 1950s. Later, she was a media figure in the counterculture of the '60s and early '70s and a much-in-demand lecturer on the college campus circuit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen

    https://youtu.be/T6PwpfdAXMM

    Replies: @Lace

    , @Rohirrimborn
    @Ano

    Not earlier but I lost my eye doctor Richard Raskind in the mid-70s when he ran off to become Renee Richards.

  13. @Art Deco
    Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I'm going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I'm wagering about 98% of those men would be...puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Ano, @Clyde, @mmack, @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, who knows how many of her WaPo office colleagues there are who wish Attiah the Hun would give her mouth a rest- whether for the peace and quiet, or just to get a word in edgewise.

  14. …Americans love to make empowering memes and sound bites showing powerful Black women fighting…

    Yes! Hold my baby someone. I just love those many (many) videos of Black Women fighting! In the street. In fast food joints. In shops and stores. In front of the kindergarten. In the kindergarten. Anywhere really….

    Keep up your love for Black Women, Americans!

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ano

    "Keep up your love for Black Women, Americans!"

    Do we have a choice?

  15. Wow! Karen Attiah must really feel like her Gravy Train is coming to an end. Especially with a first name like Karen. These days. My main goal in life was to be famous enough to have K**** critique the outfit that I wore to Trump’s 2nd Inauguration.

  16. Amazing. What’s black for “chutzpah”? Would Barbara Billingsley know?

    Seriously, Harris’s aborted presidential campaign (she suspended it just after Thanksgiving 2019) raised about $39 million, spent about $40 million, and — according to a Bloomberg News online piece dated 8/12/20, “Kamala Harris’s Presidential Campaign Owes $1.1 Million to Vendors” — had only $116,380 in the bank at the end of June 2020. By any reasonable standard, her campaign was grossly mismanaged by her half-sister Maya and Juan Rodriguez, the latter of whom was fine for running a California Democratic primary campaign (where his firm’s ties to California’s teachers’ unions had been invaluable in previous races).

    If Harris were not a Woman of Color, she’d be busy dialing for dollars in a desperate attempt to raise enough money to discourage any primary challenge for her Senate seat in 2022. Instead, she stands a good chance of being President within two years.

    Between (i) Biden’s initial pledge to name a woman as his running mate (incomprehensible, save as a way of distracting attention from the Tara Reade story, which was about to break at the time) and (ii) the subsequent Summer of George Follies, virtually forcing him at gunpoint to make it a black woman or else, Harris was the obvious choice, as the only WOC who had won a statewide race.

    Since she was named Biden’s Veep-in-waiting, no one has dared to ask her about her relationship with Willie Brown, without which she would never have gotten her start in California politics or an introduction to important and influential donors on whom she’s relied ever since. Instead, she’s been allowed to make some of the most inflammatory statements any major party nominee for president or vice-president has ever uttered.

    If this is what it’s like when Senator Harris is “silenced,” G-d help us all if she ever speaks her mind: Harris, Unbound.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Gary in Gramercy

    A Democrat that wins a statewide election in California is like a Republican who wins one in Texas; there's a good chance they won't do well nationally.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Gary, is this just another of those "Exhaustion" articles that black women get published weekly? Some one put up Madeline Kahn video from "Blazin Saddles" please.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  17. @Ano
    @theo the kraut

    Unless your reference point is just Americans....

    1972: Wally Stott - Angela Morley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Morley#Personal_life

    1974: John - Jan Morris

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris#Personal_life

    Even earlier examples? Anybody?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rohirrimborn

    Christine Jorgensen was much in the news in the early 1950s. Later, she was a media figure in the counterculture of the ’60s and early ’70s and a much-in-demand lecturer on the college campus circuit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen

    • Replies: @Lace
    @PiltdownMan

    I remember her well, she was talked about a lot in the 60s. Thanks for putting this up--it was startling: She actually made it seem to work--at least externally. There is not one 'transwoman' I've ever seen who had gotten a style that simple and elegant like that. Certainly better than Jenner too. Paul Theroux in one of his travel books writes about meeting her and 'getting a queer thrill' when he shook her hand.

    I don't actually have any interest in the transpeople, but I found it noteworthy how much more vulgar they are and very pushy about it--and I see a lot in NYC--than Miss Jorgensen. What I mean is that in her one case, I wouldn't have known she was a man. I think I had just seen stills till this bit of film.

  18. I don’t know a single black woman who will shut the f—— up.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  19. OT!!!: Johnny Rotten is MAGA and voting for Trump!

    I once had a PIL cassette or two. I’ll have to find it on YouTube.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @wren

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275077/Sex-Pistol-Johnny-Rotten-sports-Make-America-Great-t-shirt-puffs-cigarette.html

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/14/20/5041012-0-image-a-40_1539544845636.jpg

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @MEH 0910

  20. The woman’s confused not being allowed to be speak, with not wanting to listen.

    Racism….tick….patriarachy…tick….there, I stopped reading…

  21. In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    “…”Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    …Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    … The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal …”

    et cetera, et cetera.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @PiltdownMan

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn't much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @bomag, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    , @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    , @El Dato
    @PiltdownMan


    Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head.

     

    Standard behaviour by primates is now high art? Which comes naturally? I'm dubious about this. It's same thing as with the hair.

    (Is there some academic study on whether blacks parse facial expressions somehow differently than whites? I am convinced the wiring is just different.)


    But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal …
     
    Jeannette Epps giving you The Look:

    https://i.postimg.cc/BvcgRLpb/Jeannette-Epps-Black-Astronaut.png

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @William Badwhite
    @PiltdownMan


    a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”
     
    followed by


    The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive
     
    Logic isn't their strong suit. The demeanor is, by her own description, threatening (You've got 10 seconds...). Yet if we view them as threatening, we're bad. Makes sense.

    Would be funny if someone corrected her grammar: You meant "you HAVE exactly 10 seconds", not you've GOT'

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Pilt, I would think that the term "molasses slow" in reference to black women would get you a slap up along side yer head. The nyt and wapo need to publish guides for us white folk.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @PiltdownMan

    The thing I find most unattractive about Harris is her voice. She has that nasal honk that is characteristic of a braying donkey. What is even worse is when she tries to sweeten it. It is just plain unattractive.

    Like most women, she is good at dissimulating. When she is angry, she smiles, and the angrier she becomes the more she bars her teeth like a dog. She pulls her gums back. One the surface, she is a good actress, but if you know what to look for she is very easy to read. She is ugly to the bone.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  22. @bomag
    Black women need to get on unz.com; use the MORE button; and blab to their heart's content.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @iDeplorable

    If you’ve ever seen someone around here say “dude, use the MORE button” you would realize it’s an attempt at silencing. Telling a bLACK woman to use the ‘more’ function would be a hate crime, plus your post would have made electrons cross state lines and thus be subject to federal enhancement.

  23. @black sea
    Apparently, the moderator shouldn't have tried to limit Harris' speaking time, and Pence shouldn't have attempted to rebut her statements.

    She does realize that this was a debate of sorts, right?

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Dube

    I remember that clip with the debaters taking deep glugs of air to blow densities of information as rapidly as possible. The debaters happened to be black, and here that was taken as, well, ya see? But from what I’ve heard, in recent years that’s what has happened in organized school debating generally, not just with that team. Scores have become weighted by the load of facts, so the faster you talk, the more the credit. That realization seems to have become acknowledged even among the sponsors and judges, as I heard a few years ago, with machine-gunning syllables sounding outside in the halls during tournaments, and apparently no corrective trend has developed.

    But this from me is hearsay. I stepped out of my high school debate team practice and let my colleagues with their collected facts and quotations on 3″ x 5″ file cards go on to become state champs. And I remain proud of them. Some here will recall that the topic in those days was: Resolved: the Electoral College should be abolished.

    After that topic having been batted back and forth for many years by many people, no one may grumble about democracy subverted by that there Electrical College. Who started that thing? Ben Franklin with his kite? (Nick me a point: can’t find my correct
    3 x 5.)

  24. @theo the kraut
    OT, @Steve:

    »Wendy Carlos (born Walter Carlos; November 14, 1939) is an American musician and composer best known for her electronic music and film scores. Born and raised in Rhode Island, Carlos studied physics and music at Brown University before moving to New York City in 1962 to study music composition at Columbia University. ... She composed the score to two Stanley Kubrick films – A Clockwork Orange (1971) and The Shining (1980)...

    In 1979, Carlos was one of the first public figures to disclose her sex reassignment surgery, having undergone it seven years earlier.«

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(soundtrack)

    Replies: @Ano, @MEH 0910

    • Thanks: wren
  25. How lucky I am the Washington Post exists to let me know that America is suffering for want of hearing from Black Women. I honestly would have never imagined that to be the case.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
    @Thomas

    Shoveling stuff into their maws --- large amounts of food and beverage - is the single best way to stop noise coming out of the mouths of black women.

    (Maybe black women are smarter than we give them credit for, having learned that if they yammer, we'll shovel in food and drink?)

    , @Voltarde
    @Thomas

    Let's hope she never visits Guam.

    Rep. Hank Johnson, Guam will Tip over and capsize:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG958lZ1KI

    , @Known Fact
    @Thomas

    Oh my God. The white folks' thought bubbles would be "Don't laugh .... mustn't laugh ... think of baseball stats, dismemberment, anything ... "

  26. @PiltdownMan
    @Ano

    Christine Jorgensen was much in the news in the early 1950s. Later, she was a media figure in the counterculture of the '60s and early '70s and a much-in-demand lecturer on the college campus circuit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen

    https://youtu.be/T6PwpfdAXMM

    Replies: @Lace

    I remember her well, she was talked about a lot in the 60s. Thanks for putting this up–it was startling: She actually made it seem to work–at least externally. There is not one ‘transwoman’ I’ve ever seen who had gotten a style that simple and elegant like that. Certainly better than Jenner too. Paul Theroux in one of his travel books writes about meeting her and ‘getting a queer thrill’ when he shook her hand.

    I don’t actually have any interest in the transpeople, but I found it noteworthy how much more vulgar they are and very pushy about it–and I see a lot in NYC–than Miss Jorgensen. What I mean is that in her one case, I wouldn’t have known she was a man. I think I had just seen stills till this bit of film.

  27. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn’t much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @black sea

    "If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn’t much point in listening."

    What the French novelist Honore de Balsac wrote about one of his characters applies to most black women: "he never said anything when he spoke, argued or replied, for it was his habit to repeat in other words what others said, but he did contribute to the conversation, he was alive and sentient..."

    "Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them."

    Alas, they take "polite" as a signal of surrender.

    , @bomag
    @black sea

    Black Women should build their own websites; write their own books; start their own media companies; etc. -- and soar high, high! into the sky with their wonderful chatter.

    But to suggest such would be a most major macro-aggression.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Jack D
    @black sea

    Don't even try. Mansplaining is even more proof that you are racist and sexist. You have lost even before you open your mouth. The best strategy is just to nod politely and pretend you are listening. They are not going to stop before they have said their (lengthy) piece and trying to stop them is only going to make things worse.

    , @James O'Meara
    @black sea

    “If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn’t much point in listening.”

    You're wrong, you're focusing on content, not numerical parity. They must be allowed to speak, because they are black (or whatever), not because they have anything worth saying. Diversity of opinion is good, as such. "Studies" show that diverse groups make better decisions, but really that's just icing on the cake.

    It's just like equality of opportunity/content of character have been replaced with equality of outcome /color of their skin.

    Forty years ago Saul Bellow could get away with saying "I welcome multiculturalism. Is there an African Proust? If so, I WANT to read him" [paraphrased]. The implicit idea, that of course these things must be judged, and if judged The African Proust, that book would be welcomed, but not otherwise, is now rejected. The African Proust is equal to Proust, BECAUSE he is African.

  28. OT but is there any way to present a table of numbers here in the comments, and have the columns show up nice and straight? When I include html tags (like table, tr and td) the unz software just strips them out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @International Jew

    This is kind of giving up but what if you made an image of it and then linked or third-party-posted the image? Short of that, given the different formats, browsers, and devices, I don't see a way of guaranteeing a consistent result.

    , @Stan Adams
    @International Jew

    Make the table in another program (Word, etc.) and take a screenshot of it. Then post the screenshot as an image.

    , @David
    @International Jew

    I've been thinking that would be a nice thing to ask Mr Unz for.

  29. @wren
    OT!!!: Johnny Rotten is MAGA and voting for Trump!

    https://www.twitter.com/lydonofficial/status/1314205173716140035

    I once had a PIL cassette or two. I'll have to find it on YouTube.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    • Thanks: wren, Harry Baldwin, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @MEH 0910

    He could form a duet with Morrissey.

    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/lydonofficial/status/1315723924114677763

    HT: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/johnny-no-longer-rotten/

  30. Kick me like you kicked before,
    I can’t even feel the pain no more.
    — Jagger/Richards

  31. Trump should offer to debate Kamala, seeing as she is really the candidate.

    • Agree: wren, Gordo
  32. Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Father O'Hara

    Well....

    https://media.self.com/photos/59d65d8274a834772329aa34/4:3/w_676,h_507,c_limit/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-05%20at%2012.27.05%20PM.png

    https://kidfocused.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/black-woman-attitude3.jpg

    https://as2.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/47/32/23/500_F_247322377_gJXEN1yS4Ww4XxoGdHe8OpBPLvrQea0B.jpg

    Replies: @Hunsdon

    , @Neuday
    @Father O'Hara


    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.
     
    If violent, it's a righteous result of oppression.
    They're not poor mothers and she'll beat your ass if you talk back like that..
    They're actually the most beautiful; you're just a racist.
    Not at all obese, as real men like curves and a big, brightly colored backside.
    If angry, etc., it's because you aren't fucking listening!
    If you're asking, you're part of the problem, muddahfuggah.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @James O'Meara
    @Father O'Hara

    Questions are hate.

  33. @International Jew
    OT but is there any way to present a table of numbers here in the comments, and have the columns show up nice and straight? When I include html tags (like table, tr and td) the unz software just strips them out.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @David

    This is kind of giving up but what if you made an image of it and then linked or third-party-posted the image? Short of that, given the different formats, browsers, and devices, I don’t see a way of guaranteeing a consistent result.

  34. OT (since PCR won’t allow comments). When did he wise up on the scamdemic? Looks like he’s done a 180.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @gsjackson

    Good to hear that, Mr. Jackson, but Paul C. Roberts has turned into a Socialist over the years. That, and the fact that he is too triggered by comments, oh, and that he's into that Global Climate Disruption(TM) crap, are the reasons I never read his stuff anymore.

  35. @Thomas
    How lucky I am the Washington Post exists to let me know that America is suffering for want of hearing from Black Women. I honestly would have never imagined that to be the case.

    https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1302397544761262081?s=20

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Voltarde, @Known Fact

    Shoveling stuff into their maws — large amounts of food and beverage – is the single best way to stop noise coming out of the mouths of black women.

    (Maybe black women are smarter than we give them credit for, having learned that if they yammer, we’ll shovel in food and drink?)

  36. @Art Deco
    Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I'm going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I'm wagering about 98% of those men would be...puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Ano, @Clyde, @mmack, @Hypnotoad666

    Your attempt at racial poetry gets X Rating. Must be your transracial yelp for help/ yeah she sucks.

  37. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @black sea

    Went looking for the infamous black debate champs.

    Apparently it's been taken down now.


    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=74f_1401411806

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9R2uTwCiNv4

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    • LOL: Mulegino1, AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Possumman
    @Stan Adams

    This "debate" deserves it's own Broadway play---what a hoot

  38. @International Jew
    OT but is there any way to present a table of numbers here in the comments, and have the columns show up nice and straight? When I include html tags (like table, tr and td) the unz software just strips them out.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @David

    Make the table in another program (Word, etc.) and take a screenshot of it. Then post the screenshot as an image.

  39. Do these people not understand that men interrupt and talk over each other all the time? I grew up in an almost entirely male family: dinner conversations were full of constant interruptions and explaining stuff. Tacitly competing with the other guy, interrupting, fact-recall, stat-checking, explaining stuff: it’s just What We Do, to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. There’s a reason that high-functioning autism is sometimes theorized to be an extreme variant of the male brain.

    When men do that to friends or colleagues or opponents who happen to be women, it is an implicit sign that they consider them friends or colleagues or opponents or whatever first, women second. If it were the other way around, the guy would not be treating the conversation like a competition. So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @nebulafox

    Yeah Kamala looked pathetic ny saying "Mr Vice President, I'm speaking."

    A man would have simply directly responded to Pence's claims instead of talking to him like a naughty kindergartener.

    , @fish
    @nebulafox


     So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

     Nobody that nasally should speak publicly! No wonder she pushed for all those plea bargains!

    , @James O'Meara
    @nebulafox

    " to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. "

    Spengler, among others, considered counterpoint (e.g. Bach) as the pinnacle of Western (Faustian) Man's art. A certain mentality rejects this.

    The Church opposed polyphony because it obscured the words, until Palestrina supposedly convinced the Pope it could be done (see Pfitzner's opera of that name).

    The same mentality promoted Hindu and other sorts of "world" music as ipso facto purer, etc. than stuffy old European music. Jazz was originally ensemble music, only later "evolving" the solo idea, and devotees of the old style were mocked as "moldy figs."

    Avant-garde composer Harry Partch disparaged harmony and promoted monochords, single string instruments, etc. in the name of "integrity" (integral = one). There is a yearly festival of Partch in Seattle, of course.

    You'll notice all these are movements of the Left. (Even the Church controversy: implicitly Protestant, hence Puritans, Social Gospel, etc.). It's part of their search for the "real", "natural," "authentic", etc.

    So, yeah, no elaborate give and take, overlacing, etc. is allowed. Each must be allowed to speak what they want, for as long as they want, and they you can have your turn. Or not.

  40. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What’s the deal?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @nebulafox

    Lack of general culture.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @nebulafox

    Good point.

    It may be because of the fragmentation of the syllabus for English literature in schools and colleges. People don't have a common set of books of fiction that they have read to draw upon for analogies. Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    Come to think of it, since people have stopped watching network TV in favor of online clips and streaming services in the last decade or two, they don't even have a standard set of TV show oriented pop culture references.


    They've all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Percy Gryce, @Dave from Oz

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    , @Anon
    @nebulafox

    Very good question.

    Answer # 1 is what other commenters said about storytelling of “common myths” we all know about through past entertainment.An easier sell for maximizing revenue.

    The other answer is that they’re normalizing ideas/habits/vision of humankind that are inimical to Western Civilization.

    Harry Potter. Witchcraft of course.Rumor has it the author’s spells are actual spells. Whether Rowling is Wicca or just did her research is not clear yet. Notice also there’s no good vs evil.. both sides are necromancers in a tribal war, but Potter is cute and relatable.

    X-men. My money is on seeding ideas about transhumanism: men who are not quite human but have superpowers. The Wolverine in particular was made, not born. Notice again the absence of the categories good/evil. Another tribal war for world domination. Absence of family.

    Elysium, Hunger games, Divergent.. distopias about transhumanist worlds where one side already won the tribal war, and the underdogs in the new hierarchy want to overthrow “the system”. This also helps the current undermining of Nation-States, but notice that there is never a Socratic process of defining what actual justice is, or what a just system would look like. The viewer is supposed to empathize with the main (oppressed) character. Compare with the older Gattaca, where the hero just wanted out, to game the system, so to speak, not to overthrow it.

    Perhaps it is cathartic to believe in superpowers.. most people by now intuit their elites are depraved and abusive, and there’s little the regular citizen can do about Gates and Soros et al.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @James O'Meara

    , @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    I agree that these are overdone and for the reasons that Piltdown and Howard give, but the allusion here to "what's your superpower?" has more to do with pop psychology than directly with "capeshit".

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @J.Ross
    @nebulafox

    There was actually a conscious programmatic decision to take over comics and make then full Maoist, just as there was with video games and operating systems and the NBA. Comics were pretty widely loved, and especially so by kids and techies, two big target groups. I was part of a lefty discussion forum when one day we essentially got orders to start looking into comics. I resisted because I thought comics were dumb. In fact, I was right: while there are a few really great things in comics (especially the golden age of illustration [which actually isn't comics], French bandes desinees [which are gorgeously designed], some of the stunning figure drawing in say Dan Dare [which looks almost photographic without breaking style], and Grant Morrison's Frankenstein [which is brilliant and hilarious -- the adversary is a very logical one but under-celebrated, a surprise for Americans, and there's a great physics joke, which is perhaps the best physics joke I have ever seen]), but comics largely are exactly what everybody thought, except that now they are openly Communist, and viciously insult their own base. Happily comics are now discovering Get Woke Go Broke. Notice the NBA's promises for next season.

  41. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1314286973192994816

    Mrs. George Lucas.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Pericles, @TomSchmidt, @Anon7

    Johnson County, Iowa, in which is located the lunatic asylum known as the University of Iowa, is having its history rewritten. Instead of being named for the vice president in the Martin Van Buren administration, it is now named for some obscure Negress who got a PhD in 1941 whose thesis was on slavery (oh the originality!!).

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Diversity Heretic

    That would be an interesting read. 80 years ago, slavery was still within living memory, so it would have been interesting to interview the older generations about it. Even if someone then was too young to recall slavery per se, most adults, in the former slave states at least, could relate the memories of older friends or relatives. Nowadays we are so far removed from slavery that most people will uncritically accept the most one-sided narratives about it, and this gullibility directly plays into black supremacy (which of course is subordinate to another type of ethnic supremacy, but I digress)

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @sayless

    , @Jack D
    @Diversity Heretic

    This is a great idea - you can rename everything without actually having to print new stationary or changing the signs. Washington, D.C. and the State of Washington can be renamed in honor of George Washington Carver. The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom ("Movin' On Up!). The Wilson School of Government can be renamed in honor of Flip. The possibilities are endless, especially since back in the day black people used to have white people names.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @James O'Meara
    @Diversity Heretic

    Perhaps one of these Johnsons would be better:

    https://youtu.be/3NaQxUEfxt0

  42. @Gary in Gramercy
    Amazing. What's black for "chutzpah"? Would Barbara Billingsley know?

    Seriously, Harris's aborted presidential campaign (she suspended it just after Thanksgiving 2019) raised about $39 million, spent about $40 million, and -- according to a Bloomberg News online piece dated 8/12/20, "Kamala Harris's Presidential Campaign Owes $1.1 Million to Vendors" -- had only $116,380 in the bank at the end of June 2020. By any reasonable standard, her campaign was grossly mismanaged by her half-sister Maya and Juan Rodriguez, the latter of whom was fine for running a California Democratic primary campaign (where his firm's ties to California's teachers' unions had been invaluable in previous races).

    If Harris were not a Woman of Color, she'd be busy dialing for dollars in a desperate attempt to raise enough money to discourage any primary challenge for her Senate seat in 2022. Instead, she stands a good chance of being President within two years.

    Between (i) Biden's initial pledge to name a woman as his running mate (incomprehensible, save as a way of distracting attention from the Tara Reade story, which was about to break at the time) and (ii) the subsequent Summer of George Follies, virtually forcing him at gunpoint to make it a black woman or else, Harris was the obvious choice, as the only WOC who had won a statewide race.

    Since she was named Biden's Veep-in-waiting, no one has dared to ask her about her relationship with Willie Brown, without which she would never have gotten her start in California politics or an introduction to important and influential donors on whom she's relied ever since. Instead, she's been allowed to make some of the most inflammatory statements any major party nominee for president or vice-president has ever uttered.

    If this is what it's like when Senator Harris is "silenced," G-d help us all if she ever speaks her mind: Harris, Unbound.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Buffalo Joe

    A Democrat that wins a statewide election in California is like a Republican who wins one in Texas; there’s a good chance they won’t do well nationally.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Redneck farmer

    Absurd. Have you heard of George W Bush? Also, Ted Cruz would very likely be president if Trump hadn't run.

  43. @Thomas
    How lucky I am the Washington Post exists to let me know that America is suffering for want of hearing from Black Women. I honestly would have never imagined that to be the case.

    https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1302397544761262081?s=20

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Voltarde, @Known Fact

    Let’s hope she never visits Guam.

    Rep. Hank Johnson, Guam will Tip over and capsize:

  44. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    Lack of general culture.

  45. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    Good point.

    It may be because of the fragmentation of the syllabus for English literature in schools and colleges. People don’t have a common set of books of fiction that they have read to draw upon for analogies. Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    Come to think of it, since people have stopped watching network TV in favor of online clips and streaming services in the last decade or two, they don’t even have a standard set of TV show oriented pop culture references.

    They’ve all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @John Regan
    @PiltdownMan


    They’ve all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.
     
    Of all the comments that could be passed on our times, this one might not quite be the saddest. But it's certainly a contender.
    , @Percy Gryce
    @PiltdownMan

    Well put.

    , @Dave from Oz
    @PiltdownMan


    Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.
     
    You are overlooking The Bible. Amercan rhetoric of 100 years ago was loaded with biblical references.
  46. America hates to “have to hear” – not to “let” – black women speak.

    FIFY

    Come to think about it the Romans must have had plenty experience, as they had a medial passive tense for it: “audior” = “I am made to hear” 😛

  47. America Hates to Let Black Women Speak

    This suggests we actually have a say in the matter.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  48. There are videos of Attiah on youtube. She is a megalomaniac when it comes to ego. You can tell that she thinks she is one of the planets’ very brightest. Lotsa testosterone.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Anon

    Gee, an aggressive Black female with massively overinflated self-esteem? How novel! I'm sure her insights are unique and enchantingly stated. Worth every penny of her salary.

  49. • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @Anonymous

    That looks like it was written by a gaggle of fourteen year olds. Add diplomacy and international relations to the long, long list of professions degraded by allowing women to participate.

    , @Getaclue
    @Anonymous

    I recently read some high up guy leaving the UN -- said he was leaving because there were no promotions anymore unless you were Homosexual -- they control it all now....

  50. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Art Deco

    A wise man once observed: the "silenced" voices seem to be the only ones we're allowed to hear these days. Near as I can tell, it's been this way for at least fifty years now.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pericles, @Muggles

    That same wise man may be the one who also observed, “Homosexuality used to be the love that dare not speak its name and now it’s the love that won’t shut the fuck up.”

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Harry Baldwin

    That bon mot was coined by Robertson Davies in 1969, although I've seen it attributed to Midge Decter and at least one other writer.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

  51. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1314286973192994816

    Mrs. George Lucas.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Pericles, @TomSchmidt, @Anon7

    And here I was hoping it would become the Gucci Mane Building. Dang.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Pericles

    Not to worry, the Nipsey Hussle particle accelerator should be powering up soon.

  52. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Art Deco

    A wise man once observed: the "silenced" voices seem to be the only ones we're allowed to hear these days. Near as I can tell, it's been this way for at least fifty years now.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pericles, @Muggles

    Perhaps it is so we shall not forget why they were silenced in the first place.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • LOL: ben tillman
  53. Anon[812] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The American white female anorexia poet who won the Literature Nobel is woke and apologizing for winning it over all those BIPoC poets.

    The peace Prize went to (booooring) an institution, not a wacky individual. It’s a send-nutraloaf-to-Africa charity, so at least some of the left-behind African women will have calories.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon

    White?

    Glück's mother was of Russian Jewish descent, while her paternal grandparents, Hungarian Jews, emigrated to the United States

    Whether she pretends to be white for the goyim is irrelevant. This is yet another case of Every Single Time.

  54. Michele Norris, another female person-of-color at the Washington Post, has an op-ed today about “mansplaining,” “bropropriation,” and other nonsense. For a very long time, a large percentage of the opinionators at the Post and the New York Times have been black people sounding off about white people. I think it is imperative for white people to ponder why these two prominent newspapers are so bent on criticizing and accusing us. I think the time for patient listening is expired.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Tono Bungay

    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends. Hell, Marx even wrote about the English elite exploiting tensions between Irish immigrants and native Anglos back in the 1840s. Now multiply this by the much greater genetic and cultural differences between blacks and whites than between Englishmen and Irishmen

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @iDeplorable

  55. @black sea
    @PiltdownMan

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn't much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @bomag, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    “If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn’t much point in listening.”

    What the French novelist Honore de Balsac wrote about one of his characters applies to most black women: “he never said anything when he spoke, argued or replied, for it was his habit to repeat in other words what others said, but he did contribute to the conversation, he was alive and sentient…”

    “Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.”

    Alas, they take “polite” as a signal of surrender.

  56. @Tono Bungay
    Michele Norris, another female person-of-color at the Washington Post, has an op-ed today about "mansplaining," "bropropriation," and other nonsense. For a very long time, a large percentage of the opinionators at the Post and the New York Times have been black people sounding off about white people. I think it is imperative for white people to ponder why these two prominent newspapers are so bent on criticizing and accusing us. I think the time for patient listening is expired.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends. Hell, Marx even wrote about the English elite exploiting tensions between Irish immigrants and native Anglos back in the 1840s. Now multiply this by the much greater genetic and cultural differences between blacks and whites than between Englishmen and Irishmen

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    @AndrewR

    What continues to astound me is that these papers see themselves as proponents of free speech etc., yet it is obvious that Jews and blacks are free to criticize whites but whites are not at all welcome to return the favor. What kind of mind is capable of such logical self-contradiction?

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    , @iDeplorable
    @AndrewR


    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends
     
    Exactly. The reaction to racial violence should be directed at those that encourage it more than at those that commit it. Blacks are excitable and easily led, they're just doing what comes naturally. The true enemy is those that make them excited and encourage them to act out.
  57. The US clearly needs a Manhattan Project scale program to provide safe spaces for Women of Color to speak.
    Perhaps these rooms could be soundproofed to prevent any extraneous interruptions.

    If America really cared, they’d be rubber-lined.

  58. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?

    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    That's a great word.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think capeshit is more like the modern version of medieval morality plays featuring the village’s favorite saints and virtues and vices.

    Simply because the pagan stories and sagas had some nuance and earthy humor. Capeshit lacks that.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    "capeshit"

    The superhero movies are expensive junk; about as appealing as a Bruce Willis shoot 'em up. The comic books themselves, specifically 60s and 70s Marvel Comics, have cultural value. Many of the heroes, villains, and gods that can be found in those pages are directly and indirectly based on the myths of Western civilization. Marvel's Thor was my gateway drug to Nordic Mythology.

    , @Jack D
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Too bad that capeshit is literally a comic book version of the founding Western myths, cynically dumbed down to a common denominator for maximum profit. Maybe in the future instead of being inspired by the great masters of painting and sculpture that (at least for now) fill our museums, we'll be inspired by bubble gum wrappers and troll dolls.

    , @Anonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    In 2000 years Superman, Batman, Spiderman and the others will be seen exactly as we today see Apollo, Achilles, Hercules, etc.

  59. I am exhausted too
    of hearing about
    exhausted women
    telling me
    how exhausted they feel
    and that no one listens to them
    even though
    they can’t stop talking

  60. Even though angry black women are very annoying, I think nothing is more annoying that a self-righteous SJW white woman trying to punish “racists” and “crimethinkers”. They are relentless.

    Case in point:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/07/petition-to-support-mark-crispin-miller-and-academic-freedom/

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dumbo

    I’m guessing you’re white. If white men despair of their women, there really is no hope for our civilization.

    Sócrates knew already that woman and children were more emotional and given to lamentations. He went about building the foundations of a world where men could be virtuous and stoic and knowledgeable. He was fair to those women of merit who could be educated and emphasized the importance of how to educate the next generation.

    Ancient Greece placed woman in an inadequate role, and limited love to erotic love, but we still have much to learn from its teaching about human nature and human society.

  61. @Diversity Heretic
    @MEH 0910

    Johnson County, Iowa, in which is located the lunatic asylum known as the University of Iowa, is having its history rewritten. Instead of being named for the vice president in the Martin Van Buren administration, it is now named for some obscure Negress who got a PhD in 1941 whose thesis was on slavery (oh the originality!!).

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    That would be an interesting read. 80 years ago, slavery was still within living memory, so it would have been interesting to interview the older generations about it. Even if someone then was too young to recall slavery per se, most adults, in the former slave states at least, could relate the memories of older friends or relatives. Nowadays we are so far removed from slavery that most people will uncritically accept the most one-sided narratives about it, and this gullibility directly plays into black supremacy (which of course is subordinate to another type of ethnic supremacy, but I digress)

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @AndrewR

    I don't know if her thesis was published and don't care enough to look it up. IIRC, one of the writers' programs in the New Deal was to interview freed slaves, of which there were still a fair number (although probably not in Iowa) about their slave experiences. Many of them expressed good memories of their masters and recalled that most punishments were for laziness.

    , @sayless
    @AndrewR

    In the 1930s my father used to make pastoral visits once a month to an old plantation. A granddaughter of the original family lived in the plantation house. A 105-year-old woman still lived in the slave quarters.

    The granddaughter came over to take care of her every day. She begged her to leave the slave quarters and come live in the plantation house. The answer was No.

    The 105-year-old absolutely hated the Yankees. "They killed all of our animals. They burned all of our crops."

  62. @Just another serf
    Black women must be allowed to speak. If we continue to prevent them from speaking out about issues, they are going to relocate to other countries.

    If the United States loses its Black women, we are done as a nation. We would be forced to quickly import African women and develop a program to rapidly make them insanely angry. That’s a possible job for Kamala Harris post election.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Justvisiting

    I’m sure Steve has mentioned this, but this girl is not only the personification of the Karen meme [I am sure she never hesitates to ask to speak to the manager] but she’s also an imported African. Both her parents are immigrants. The same is true of Kamala Harris, of course. Rootless “fellow black people” cashing in on American blacks’ black privilege and hatred of whitey

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @AndrewR

    > Rootless “fellow black people” cashing in on American blacks’ black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Karen Attiah, born to a Nigerian-Ghanaian mother and Ghanaian father.
    Kamala Harris, black by virtue of her part-black professor father from a middle-class Jamaican family.

    #ADOS argues that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups.

    Immigrants' children, doing the jobs Americans just won't do.

    , @ben tillman
    @AndrewR

    Good point.

    , @restless94110
    @AndrewR

    What is with all of these rootless "fellow women" in the Legislature. You have Crazie Hirono in Hawaii who I'm pretty sure is an immigrant or from immigrant parents and Cheater Omar who is also an immigrant. I'm sure there are several more.

    All crazy haters that, like Commala, add absolutely zero to the well being of the country and are hell bent on dividing it.

  63. I saw a funny decibel level chart: Rock concert < Jet engine < Black women talking during break

    • LOL: throtler
  64. The real question is how this relates to Black Woman’s hair.

  65. @black sea
    @PiltdownMan

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn't much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @bomag, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    Black Women should build their own websites; write their own books; start their own media companies; etc. — and soar high, high! into the sky with their wonderful chatter.

    But to suggest such would be a most major macro-aggression.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @bomag


    Black Women should build their own websites; write their own books;
     
    I read the plot summary for Octavia Butler's Kindred on Wikipedia.

    She didn't need to write a novel to tell black women to go get a gullible liberal white guy to fix their problems.
  66. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1314286973192994816

    Mrs. George Lucas.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Pericles, @TomSchmidt, @Anon7

    Any updates on whether Princeton will pay back the $75 million because they’re “racist?”

  67. @Gary in Gramercy
    Amazing. What's black for "chutzpah"? Would Barbara Billingsley know?

    Seriously, Harris's aborted presidential campaign (she suspended it just after Thanksgiving 2019) raised about $39 million, spent about $40 million, and -- according to a Bloomberg News online piece dated 8/12/20, "Kamala Harris's Presidential Campaign Owes $1.1 Million to Vendors" -- had only $116,380 in the bank at the end of June 2020. By any reasonable standard, her campaign was grossly mismanaged by her half-sister Maya and Juan Rodriguez, the latter of whom was fine for running a California Democratic primary campaign (where his firm's ties to California's teachers' unions had been invaluable in previous races).

    If Harris were not a Woman of Color, she'd be busy dialing for dollars in a desperate attempt to raise enough money to discourage any primary challenge for her Senate seat in 2022. Instead, she stands a good chance of being President within two years.

    Between (i) Biden's initial pledge to name a woman as his running mate (incomprehensible, save as a way of distracting attention from the Tara Reade story, which was about to break at the time) and (ii) the subsequent Summer of George Follies, virtually forcing him at gunpoint to make it a black woman or else, Harris was the obvious choice, as the only WOC who had won a statewide race.

    Since she was named Biden's Veep-in-waiting, no one has dared to ask her about her relationship with Willie Brown, without which she would never have gotten her start in California politics or an introduction to important and influential donors on whom she's relied ever since. Instead, she's been allowed to make some of the most inflammatory statements any major party nominee for president or vice-president has ever uttered.

    If this is what it's like when Senator Harris is "silenced," G-d help us all if she ever speaks her mind: Harris, Unbound.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Buffalo Joe

    Gary, is this just another of those “Exhaustion” articles that black women get published weekly? Some one put up Madeline Kahn video from “Blazin Saddles” please.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Buffalo Joe

    I would, but I'm pooped. ("It's twoo!")

  68. Much of our civil discontent seems to arise from having raised generations of empowered women who suffer no consequences to their increasingly provocative outbursts. Men get mercilessly crushed when they act impudently but women just ratch up the histrionics until men step in to settle the brouhaha. Our black community, being a toxic matriarchy, suffers the most from this gender imbalance. And let’s be honest, the seething outrage is really about sexual market value.

  69. @Redneck farmer
    @Gary in Gramercy

    A Democrat that wins a statewide election in California is like a Republican who wins one in Texas; there's a good chance they won't do well nationally.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Absurd. Have you heard of George W Bush? Also, Ted Cruz would very likely be president if Trump hadn’t run.

  70. She’s right and you know it! No stereotype is more true than the quiet, reserved black woman afraid to offer a piece of her tiny, uninformed mind!

  71. @Ano
    @theo the kraut

    Unless your reference point is just Americans....

    1972: Wally Stott - Angela Morley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Morley#Personal_life

    1974: John - Jan Morris

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris#Personal_life

    Even earlier examples? Anybody?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rohirrimborn

    Not earlier but I lost my eye doctor Richard Raskind in the mid-70s when he ran off to become Renee Richards.

  72. @Anon
    OT

    The American white female anorexia poet who won the Literature Nobel is woke and apologizing for winning it over all those BIPoC poets.

    The peace Prize went to (booooring) an institution, not a wacky individual. It's a send-nutraloaf-to-Africa charity, so at least some of the left-behind African women will have calories.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    White?

    Glück’s mother was of Russian Jewish descent, while her paternal grandparents, Hungarian Jews, emigrated to the United States

    Whether she pretends to be white for the goyim is irrelevant. This is yet another case of Every Single Time.

  73. @nebulafox
    Do these people not understand that men interrupt and talk over each other all the time? I grew up in an almost entirely male family: dinner conversations were full of constant interruptions and explaining stuff. Tacitly competing with the other guy, interrupting, fact-recall, stat-checking, explaining stuff: it's just What We Do, to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. There's a reason that high-functioning autism is sometimes theorized to be an extreme variant of the male brain.

    When men do that to friends or colleagues or opponents who happen to be women, it is an implicit sign that they consider them friends or colleagues or opponents or whatever first, women second. If it were the other way around, the guy would not be treating the conversation like a competition. So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fish, @James O'Meara

    Yeah Kamala looked pathetic ny saying “Mr Vice President, I’m speaking.”

    A man would have simply directly responded to Pence’s claims instead of talking to him like a naughty kindergartener.

  74. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1314286973192994816

    Mrs. George Lucas.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Pericles, @TomSchmidt, @Anon7

    Hobson’s choice.

  75. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    That’s a great word.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  76. If Jeff Bezos needs to cut costs he should fire Karen Attiah and give her columnist spot to Althea Bernstein. The quality of the content would be almost the same with the potential for being a lot more fun to read.

  77. @AndrewR
    @Tono Bungay

    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends. Hell, Marx even wrote about the English elite exploiting tensions between Irish immigrants and native Anglos back in the 1840s. Now multiply this by the much greater genetic and cultural differences between blacks and whites than between Englishmen and Irishmen

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @iDeplorable

    What continues to astound me is that these papers see themselves as proponents of free speech etc., yet it is obvious that Jews and blacks are free to criticize whites but whites are not at all welcome to return the favor. What kind of mind is capable of such logical self-contradiction?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Tono Bungay

    "What kind of mind is capable of such logical self-contradiction?"

    The one that invented the concept of "chutzpah."

  78. @PiltdownMan
    @nebulafox

    Good point.

    It may be because of the fragmentation of the syllabus for English literature in schools and colleges. People don't have a common set of books of fiction that they have read to draw upon for analogies. Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    Come to think of it, since people have stopped watching network TV in favor of online clips and streaming services in the last decade or two, they don't even have a standard set of TV show oriented pop culture references.


    They've all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Percy Gryce, @Dave from Oz

    They’ve all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    Of all the comments that could be passed on our times, this one might not quite be the saddest. But it’s certainly a contender.

  79. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Gary, is this just another of those "Exhaustion" articles that black women get published weekly? Some one put up Madeline Kahn video from "Blazin Saddles" please.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I would, but I’m pooped. (“It’s twoo!”)

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  80. Black women are so loud, I guess it is arguably true we wish they wouldn’t speak at all. However isn’t Kamala more Indian than black?

  81. @Father O'Hara
    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Neuday, @James O'Meara

    Well….

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The horror, the horror.

  82. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head.

    Standard behaviour by primates is now high art? Which comes naturally? I’m dubious about this. It’s same thing as with the hair.

    (Is there some academic study on whether blacks parse facial expressions somehow differently than whites? I am convinced the wiring is just different.)

    But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal …

    Jeannette Epps giving you The Look:

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Wow, I want that steampunk USSR phone for my mancave. That phone looks like it would withstand nuclear war. The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense. Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years - it's not like cell phones where you have to get a new one every 3 years (or less) or it's outdated. But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    Replies: @Muggles, @sayless, @Joe Stalin

  83. @nebulafox
    Do these people not understand that men interrupt and talk over each other all the time? I grew up in an almost entirely male family: dinner conversations were full of constant interruptions and explaining stuff. Tacitly competing with the other guy, interrupting, fact-recall, stat-checking, explaining stuff: it's just What We Do, to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. There's a reason that high-functioning autism is sometimes theorized to be an extreme variant of the male brain.

    When men do that to friends or colleagues or opponents who happen to be women, it is an implicit sign that they consider them friends or colleagues or opponents or whatever first, women second. If it were the other way around, the guy would not be treating the conversation like a competition. So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fish, @James O'Meara

    So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

    Nobody that nasally should speak publicly! No wonder she pushed for all those plea bargains!

  84. @Harry Baldwin
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    That same wise man may be the one who also observed, “Homosexuality used to be the love that dare not speak its name and now it’s the love that won’t shut the fuck up.”

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    That bon mot was coined by Robertson Davies in 1969, although I’ve seen it attributed to Midge Decter and at least one other writer.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Percy Gryce

    I've always seen it attributed to UNZ's own Joe Sobran.

  85. @anon
    Oprah should interview this woman in a special multi-hour video on the topic of "America hates to let black women speak". Michelle Obama could join in via Zoom.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Oprah should interview this woman in a special multi-hour video on the topic of “America hates to let black women speak”. Michelle Obama could join in via Zoom.

    Oprah often discusses current events with multiple guests. She should also invite Nikole Hannah Jones (only one Pulitzer) and Althea Bernstein (Hawaiian shirt assault ignored). As a counterpoint, add one or two of the black lady jurors from the OJ case, whose voices were heard (Nicole Simpson is unavailable).

  86. @PiltdownMan
    @nebulafox

    Good point.

    It may be because of the fragmentation of the syllabus for English literature in schools and colleges. People don't have a common set of books of fiction that they have read to draw upon for analogies. Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    Come to think of it, since people have stopped watching network TV in favor of online clips and streaming services in the last decade or two, they don't even have a standard set of TV show oriented pop culture references.


    They've all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Percy Gryce, @Dave from Oz

    Well put.

  87. @Art Deco
    Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I'm going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I'm wagering about 98% of those men would be...puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Ano, @Clyde, @mmack, @Hypnotoad666

    With women in general, and Diverse women specifically, silence is golden because like gold, silence is rare, hard to find, and incredibly valuable when you do get it.

    (And so then she said ….. 💁🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♂️)

  88. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    Very good question.

    Answer # 1 is what other commenters said about storytelling of “common myths” we all know about through past entertainment.An easier sell for maximizing revenue.

    The other answer is that they’re normalizing ideas/habits/vision of humankind that are inimical to Western Civilization.

    Harry Potter. Witchcraft of course.Rumor has it the author’s spells are actual spells. Whether Rowling is Wicca or just did her research is not clear yet. Notice also there’s no good vs evil.. both sides are necromancers in a tribal war, but Potter is cute and relatable.

    X-men. My money is on seeding ideas about transhumanism: men who are not quite human but have superpowers. The Wolverine in particular was made, not born. Notice again the absence of the categories good/evil. Another tribal war for world domination. Absence of family.

    Elysium, Hunger games, Divergent.. distopias about transhumanist worlds where one side already won the tribal war, and the underdogs in the new hierarchy want to overthrow “the system”. This also helps the current undermining of Nation-States, but notice that there is never a Socratic process of defining what actual justice is, or what a just system would look like. The viewer is supposed to empathize with the main (oppressed) character. Compare with the older Gattaca, where the hero just wanted out, to game the system, so to speak, not to overthrow it.

    Perhaps it is cathartic to believe in superpowers.. most people by now intuit their elites are depraved and abusive, and there’s little the regular citizen can do about Gates and Soros et al.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anon


    X-men.
     
    The X-men and similar properties have been interpreted as stand-ins for the blacks and gays at various points.
    , @James O'Meara
    @Anon

    Simpler explanation: because Jews.

    Jews run both industries and so, ethnic networking. Why pay royalties to the goyim?

    More broadly, Jews are hands down the best storytellers (call it "lying" if you prefer).

    Their scriptures - later including the sequel, "The New Testament" -- were eagerly read throughout the Hellenistic world. Goyim would even attend synagogues to hear the stories. Greek, Roman and then Germanic mythology was eventually entirely replaced by superior Jewish stories.

    They basically invented the historical novel ("Jesus must have been real, look, it mentions Pilate, a real Roman governor!").

    Then in the 30s they took over Nietzsche's Superman and invented the "super hero", who is basically the Jew. He looks like a nerd, uses a pseudonym, but has super powers that he uses to kindly help us pitiful Earthlings so as to prevent our being taken over by evil White Men (super- villains).

    It may be a contemptible genre (Hesse thought magazine articles and crossword puzzles were the worst thing the masses could take up) but they repay study because, as usual, the message is right there out in front of the clueless goyim.

    https://counter-currents.com/2011/10/from-krakow-to-krypton-jews-and-comic-books/

    https://counter-currents.com/2012/07/the-ponderous-weight-of-the-dark-knight/

  89. @AndrewR
    @Just another serf

    I'm sure Steve has mentioned this, but this girl is not only the personification of the Karen meme [I am sure she never hesitates to ask to speak to the manager] but she's also an imported African. Both her parents are immigrants. The same is true of Kamala Harris, of course. Rootless "fellow black people" cashing in on American blacks' black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Replies: @ic1000, @ben tillman, @restless94110

    > Rootless “fellow black people” cashing in on American blacks’ black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Karen Attiah, born to a Nigerian-Ghanaian mother and Ghanaian father.
    Kamala Harris, black by virtue of her part-black professor father from a middle-class Jamaican family.

    #ADOS argues that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups.

    Immigrants’ children, doing the jobs Americans just won’t do.

  90. @Anonymous
    She's good with the nitty-gritty facts, too.

    https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/1314010984957325313

    Replies: @Arthur Biggs, @Jack D, @Getaclue

    The simple answer would be because of the Democrat governors that forced nursing homes to admit coronavirus patients. The high death toll is a direct result of those early mistakes in a handful of states.

  91. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo
    Even though angry black women are very annoying, I think nothing is more annoying that a self-righteous SJW white woman trying to punish "racists" and "crimethinkers". They are relentless.

    Case in point:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/07/petition-to-support-mark-crispin-miller-and-academic-freedom/

    Replies: @Anon

    I’m guessing you’re white. If white men despair of their women, there really is no hope for our civilization.

    Sócrates knew already that woman and children were more emotional and given to lamentations. He went about building the foundations of a world where men could be virtuous and stoic and knowledgeable. He was fair to those women of merit who could be educated and emphasized the importance of how to educate the next generation.

    Ancient Greece placed woman in an inadequate role, and limited love to erotic love, but we still have much to learn from its teaching about human nature and human society.

  92. @Stan Adams
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

    Replies: @Possumman

    This “debate” deserves it’s own Broadway play—what a hoot

  93. @black sea
    @PiltdownMan

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn't much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @bomag, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    Don’t even try. Mansplaining is even more proof that you are racist and sexist. You have lost even before you open your mouth. The best strategy is just to nod politely and pretend you are listening. They are not going to stop before they have said their (lengthy) piece and trying to stop them is only going to make things worse.

  94. @MEH 0910
    @wren

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275077/Sex-Pistol-Johnny-Rotten-sports-Make-America-Great-t-shirt-puffs-cigarette.html

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/14/20/5041012-0-image-a-40_1539544845636.jpg

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @MEH 0910

    He could form a duet with Morrissey.

  95. @International Jew
    OT but is there any way to present a table of numbers here in the comments, and have the columns show up nice and straight? When I include html tags (like table, tr and td) the unz software just strips them out.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Stan Adams, @David

    I’ve been thinking that would be a nice thing to ask Mr Unz for.

  96. @Diversity Heretic
    @MEH 0910

    Johnson County, Iowa, in which is located the lunatic asylum known as the University of Iowa, is having its history rewritten. Instead of being named for the vice president in the Martin Van Buren administration, it is now named for some obscure Negress who got a PhD in 1941 whose thesis was on slavery (oh the originality!!).

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    This is a great idea – you can rename everything without actually having to print new stationary or changing the signs. Washington, D.C. and the State of Washington can be renamed in honor of George Washington Carver. The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom (“Movin’ On Up!). The Wilson School of Government can be renamed in honor of Flip. The possibilities are endless, especially since back in the day black people used to have white people names.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom (“Movin’ On Up!).

    The fictional George Jefferson had made himself affluent / petty rich by founding and building a very common-and-garden retail business. The writers and actor made him a vulgar popinjay who offended people routinely, failed consistently as a social climber, employed a domestic for no discernable reason (and put up with lip from her), derided the inter-racial couple who were his neighbors, and mistreated the one person outside his family who actually liked him. The son of the fictional George Jefferson was employed (IIRC) as an engineer. The point was comedy, not social didacticism. Same deal with Red Foxx, who was on television slightly earlier (and made his living from comedy records). They weren't pioneering, because the practice of portraying black men as amusing rogues supporting themselves through self-employment isn't done anymore.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Seattle, Washington is way ahead of you, Jack. The Seattle City Council changed their interpretation of the name for King County from being named after Vice President William R. King to being named after the Commie race-hustler Martin Luther King ... Reverend .... Junior .... Doctor a decade back or so. (I'm sure people outside of Seattle in that country wanted none of that.)

  97. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1314227817987690496

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Getaclue

    That looks like it was written by a gaggle of fourteen year olds. Add diplomacy and international relations to the long, long list of professions degraded by allowing women to participate.

    • Agree: El Dato
  98. @Anonymous
    She's good with the nitty-gritty facts, too.

    https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/1314010984957325313

    Replies: @Arthur Biggs, @Jack D, @Getaclue

    She’s right about this. I have looked at the actuarial tables and 100% of all Americans die eventually. You can’t get any worse than that.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Except John McCain's mother who will turn 109 in four months. She just might live forever.

  99. @bomag
    Black women need to get on unz.com; use the MORE button; and blab to their heart's content.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @iDeplorable

    Black women need to get on unz.com; use the MORE button; and blab to their heart’s content.

    It all makes sense now. Reg Caesar is a black woman

  100. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    followed by

    The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive

    Logic isn’t their strong suit. The demeanor is, by her own description, threatening (You’ve got 10 seconds…). Yet if we view them as threatening, we’re bad. Makes sense.

    Would be funny if someone corrected her grammar: You meant “you HAVE exactly 10 seconds”, not you’ve GOT’

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @William Badwhite

    That's the least of it, I thought this might have been a copy-paste error by Steve, but nope, it's in the original:


    time and space are sometimes the last thing America wants to wants us to have
     
    Let's unpack this, she meant to say "America wants us to have," right? Or maybe she thinks they want her to not want to have it herself, in which case it should be "the last thing America wants us to want to have?"

    Either way, it should be embarrassing for the "Global Opinions Editor of the Washington Post" (why settle for Global, why not Universal? Do they really think most Americans, let alone most foreigners, care about their opinions?) to put out copy like this, but of course, the newspapers are all beyond ridicule these days and even smaller tech publications are rife with copy errors.

    Getting to her actual point, perhaps she's unaware that every person on the planet is ignored or diminished by practically everyone else? And that women, and in particular black ones, have less worthwhile to say, so they get tuned out more?

    This is the last stage in the death of the newspapers, before they completely disappear.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    @William Badwhite

    Meh. I think in this case "you've got" qualifies as idiomatic usage.

  101. @AndrewR
    @Tono Bungay

    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends. Hell, Marx even wrote about the English elite exploiting tensions between Irish immigrants and native Anglos back in the 1840s. Now multiply this by the much greater genetic and cultural differences between blacks and whites than between Englishmen and Irishmen

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @iDeplorable

    The plutocrats who employ these people are exploiting and exacerbating natural racial tensions for their own ends

    Exactly. The reaction to racial violence should be directed at those that encourage it more than at those that commit it. Blacks are excitable and easily led, they’re just doing what comes naturally. The true enemy is those that make them excited and encourage them to act out.

  102. Karen Attiah, Washington Post = A Ghana tart (not pie) knows shit!

  103. @William Badwhite
    @PiltdownMan


    a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”
     
    followed by


    The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive
     
    Logic isn't their strong suit. The demeanor is, by her own description, threatening (You've got 10 seconds...). Yet if we view them as threatening, we're bad. Makes sense.

    Would be funny if someone corrected her grammar: You meant "you HAVE exactly 10 seconds", not you've GOT'

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @Chrisnonymous

    That’s the least of it, I thought this might have been a copy-paste error by Steve, but nope, it’s in the original:

    time and space are sometimes the last thing America wants to wants us to have

    Let’s unpack this, she meant to say “America wants us to have,” right? Or maybe she thinks they want her to not want to have it herself, in which case it should be “the last thing America wants us to want to have?”

    Either way, it should be embarrassing for the “Global Opinions Editor of the Washington Post” (why settle for Global, why not Universal? Do they really think most Americans, let alone most foreigners, care about their opinions?) to put out copy like this, but of course, the newspapers are all beyond ridicule these days and even smaller tech publications are rife with copy errors.

    Getting to her actual point, perhaps she’s unaware that every person on the planet is ignored or diminished by practically everyone else? And that women, and in particular black ones, have less worthwhile to say, so they get tuned out more?

    This is the last stage in the death of the newspapers, before they completely disappear.

  104. When I served on a civil jury it was 12 middle-class, middle-aged people — but six low-key white guys and six sassy black women. We agreed on the verdict but in the penalty phase the women ran roughshod, blabbering away and throwing around gazillions of extra dollars. (I was still in newspapers at the time, before the dawn of the grievance op-ed era, meaning I had never had to deal with the typical black American female).

    To be fair, when I later mystery-shopped for USPS some of the sweetest and finest clerks were black women. The Asian women were impersonal and impossible to understand, and the truly weird ones were mostly white guys.

  105. @Ano
    ...Americans love to make empowering memes and sound bites showing powerful Black women fighting...

    Yes! Hold my baby someone. I just love those many (many) videos of Black Women fighting! In the street. In fast food joints. In shops and stores. In front of the kindergarten. In the kindergarten. Anywhere really....

    Keep up your love for Black Women, Americans!

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Keep up your love for Black Women, Americans!”

    Do we have a choice?

  106. @Thomas
    How lucky I am the Washington Post exists to let me know that America is suffering for want of hearing from Black Women. I honestly would have never imagined that to be the case.

    https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1302397544761262081?s=20

    Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Voltarde, @Known Fact

    Oh my God. The white folks’ thought bubbles would be “Don’t laugh …. mustn’t laugh … think of baseball stats, dismemberment, anything … ”

  107. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    I think capeshit is more like the modern version of medieval morality plays featuring the village’s favorite saints and virtues and vices.

    Simply because the pagan stories and sagas had some nuance and earthy humor. Capeshit lacks that.

  108. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    She's right about this. I have looked at the actuarial tables and 100% of all Americans die eventually. You can't get any worse than that.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Except John McCain’s mother who will turn 109 in four months. She just might live forever.

  109. @Just another serf
    Black women must be allowed to speak. If we continue to prevent them from speaking out about issues, they are going to relocate to other countries.

    If the United States loses its Black women, we are done as a nation. We would be forced to quickly import African women and develop a program to rapidly make them insanely angry. That’s a possible job for Kamala Harris post election.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Justvisiting

    I haven’t heard a black woman speak since I retired.

    I so miss hearing the screeching and whining and endless drama… 🙂

  110. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    “capeshit”

    The superhero movies are expensive junk; about as appealing as a Bruce Willis shoot ’em up. The comic books themselves, specifically 60s and 70s Marvel Comics, have cultural value. Many of the heroes, villains, and gods that can be found in those pages are directly and indirectly based on the myths of Western civilization. Marvel’s Thor was my gateway drug to Nordic Mythology.

  111. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    I agree that these are overdone and for the reasons that Piltdown and Howard give, but the allusion here to “what’s your superpower?” has more to do with pop psychology than directly with “capeshit”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    There's actually a perfect image from the execreble and never-ending series 52 which I forced myself to plod through. Lex Luthor, (from behind his executive desk, which is a whole California Redwood tree section), has come up with a serum or machine or iPhone app or whatever. It gives everyone super-powers for $19.95. Of course the end-users are losers and kids with low self esteem. At one point all the end-users are suicidally high up in the air, flying together as a tiktok stunt, and Lex pushes a button ...
    And that's exactly what the social media plan is, that's Mark Zuckerberg except that Lex's got better hair.

  112. Anyone who thinks blacks of any gender can be silenced has obviously never been to a movie theater.

  113. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    Too bad that capeshit is literally a comic book version of the founding Western myths, cynically dumbed down to a common denominator for maximum profit. Maybe in the future instead of being inspired by the great masters of painting and sculpture that (at least for now) fill our museums, we’ll be inspired by bubble gum wrappers and troll dolls.

  114. @AndrewR
    @Just another serf

    I'm sure Steve has mentioned this, but this girl is not only the personification of the Karen meme [I am sure she never hesitates to ask to speak to the manager] but she's also an imported African. Both her parents are immigrants. The same is true of Kamala Harris, of course. Rootless "fellow black people" cashing in on American blacks' black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Replies: @ic1000, @ben tillman, @restless94110

    Good point.

  115. @nebulafox
    @PiltdownMan

    What's with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies? Wakanda, Harry Potter, X-Men. What's the deal?

    Replies: @El Dato, @PiltdownMan, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anon, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    There was actually a conscious programmatic decision to take over comics and make then full Maoist, just as there was with video games and operating systems and the NBA. Comics were pretty widely loved, and especially so by kids and techies, two big target groups. I was part of a lefty discussion forum when one day we essentially got orders to start looking into comics. I resisted because I thought comics were dumb. In fact, I was right: while there are a few really great things in comics (especially the golden age of illustration [which actually isn’t comics], French bandes desinees [which are gorgeously designed], some of the stunning figure drawing in say Dan Dare [which looks almost photographic without breaking style], and Grant Morrison’s Frankenstein [which is brilliant and hilarious — the adversary is a very logical one but under-celebrated, a surprise for Americans, and there’s a great physics joke, which is perhaps the best physics joke I have ever seen]), but comics largely are exactly what everybody thought, except that now they are openly Communist, and viciously insult their own base. Happily comics are now discovering Get Woke Go Broke. Notice the NBA’s promises for next season.

  116. @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    I agree that these are overdone and for the reasons that Piltdown and Howard give, but the allusion here to "what's your superpower?" has more to do with pop psychology than directly with "capeshit".

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There’s actually a perfect image from the execreble and never-ending series 52 which I forced myself to plod through. Lex Luthor, (from behind his executive desk, which is a whole California Redwood tree section), has come up with a serum or machine or iPhone app or whatever. It gives everyone super-powers for $19.95. Of course the end-users are losers and kids with low self esteem. At one point all the end-users are suicidally high up in the air, flying together as a tiktok stunt, and Lex pushes a button …
    And that’s exactly what the social media plan is, that’s Mark Zuckerberg except that Lex’s got better hair.

  117. @Father O'Hara
    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Neuday, @James O'Meara

    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.

    If violent, it’s a righteous result of oppression.
    They’re not poor mothers and she’ll beat your ass if you talk back like that..
    They’re actually the most beautiful; you’re just a racist.
    Not at all obese, as real men like curves and a big, brightly colored backside.
    If angry, etc., it’s because you aren’t fucking listening!
    If you’re asking, you’re part of the problem, muddahfuggah.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Neuday

    Neu, you get more than the LOL button. Too funny.

  118. America Hates to Let Black Women Speak

    I do, but that doesn’t seem to stop them from talking.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Cloudbuster

    Seems some of them never shut up from what I've seen -- like Stacey Abrams....

  119. @Anon
    There are videos of Attiah on youtube. She is a megalomaniac when it comes to ego. You can tell that she thinks she is one of the planets' very brightest. Lotsa testosterone.

    Replies: @Neuday

    Gee, an aggressive Black female with massively overinflated self-esteem? How novel! I’m sure her insights are unique and enchantingly stated. Worth every penny of her salary.

  120. @Jack D
    @Diversity Heretic

    This is a great idea - you can rename everything without actually having to print new stationary or changing the signs. Washington, D.C. and the State of Washington can be renamed in honor of George Washington Carver. The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom ("Movin' On Up!). The Wilson School of Government can be renamed in honor of Flip. The possibilities are endless, especially since back in the day black people used to have white people names.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman

    The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom (“Movin’ On Up!).

    The fictional George Jefferson had made himself affluent / petty rich by founding and building a very common-and-garden retail business. The writers and actor made him a vulgar popinjay who offended people routinely, failed consistently as a social climber, employed a domestic for no discernable reason (and put up with lip from her), derided the inter-racial couple who were his neighbors, and mistreated the one person outside his family who actually liked him. The son of the fictional George Jefferson was employed (IIRC) as an engineer. The point was comedy, not social didacticism. Same deal with Red Foxx, who was on television slightly earlier (and made his living from comedy records). They weren’t pioneering, because the practice of portraying black men as amusing rogues supporting themselves through self-employment isn’t done anymore.

  121. @Percy Gryce
    @Harry Baldwin

    That bon mot was coined by Robertson Davies in 1969, although I've seen it attributed to Midge Decter and at least one other writer.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    I’ve always seen it attributed to UNZ’s own Joe Sobran.

  122. @black sea
    @PiltdownMan

    If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn't much point in listening.

    Somebody needs to find a polite way of explaining this to them.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster, @bomag, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    “If Black women had more interesting things to say, we would be more inclined to listen. But, based on most of what they write, there isn’t much point in listening.”

    You’re wrong, you’re focusing on content, not numerical parity. They must be allowed to speak, because they are black (or whatever), not because they have anything worth saying. Diversity of opinion is good, as such. “Studies” show that diverse groups make better decisions, but really that’s just icing on the cake.

    It’s just like equality of opportunity/content of character have been replaced with equality of outcome /color of their skin.

    Forty years ago Saul Bellow could get away with saying “I welcome multiculturalism. Is there an African Proust? If so, I WANT to read him” [paraphrased]. The implicit idea, that of course these things must be judged, and if judged The African Proust, that book would be welcomed, but not otherwise, is now rejected. The African Proust is equal to Proust, BECAUSE he is African.

  123. @Father O'Hara
    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Neuday, @James O'Meara

    Questions are hate.

  124. @gsjackson
    OT (since PCR won't allow comments). When did he wise up on the scamdemic? Looks like he's done a 180.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Good to hear that, Mr. Jackson, but Paul C. Roberts has turned into a Socialist over the years. That, and the fact that he is too triggered by comments, oh, and that he’s into that Global Climate Disruption(TM) crap, are the reasons I never read his stuff anymore.

  125. A good chunk of the subscriptions, that the newspaper industry (as a whole, just a handful?) has been able to retain, must come from tax-funded, left-wing institutions like public (including school) libraries.

    Please keep that in mind when your down-ballot poses a question about upping the assessment to support local libraries.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Abolish_public_education

    A good chunk of the subscriptions, that the newspaper industry (as a whole, just a handful?) has been able to retain, must come from tax-funded, left-wing institutions like public (including school) libraries.

    Well libraries know who butters their bread. They know the left will never cut their funding.

    Just have a look at the selections they put front and center when you walk in. It's typically some urban newspapers along with their White guilt picks of the month. Libraries celebrate Black history month for about half a year.

    I don't have a problem with the smaller rural libraries. They at least perform a public service for families even if they are empty most of the time.

    I do have a problem with expensive urban libraries that provide free porn and napping rooms for the homeless.

  126. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    Pilt, I would think that the term “molasses slow” in reference to black women would get you a slap up along side yer head. The nyt and wapo need to publish guides for us white folk.

  127. @nebulafox
    Do these people not understand that men interrupt and talk over each other all the time? I grew up in an almost entirely male family: dinner conversations were full of constant interruptions and explaining stuff. Tacitly competing with the other guy, interrupting, fact-recall, stat-checking, explaining stuff: it's just What We Do, to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. There's a reason that high-functioning autism is sometimes theorized to be an extreme variant of the male brain.

    When men do that to friends or colleagues or opponents who happen to be women, it is an implicit sign that they consider them friends or colleagues or opponents or whatever first, women second. If it were the other way around, the guy would not be treating the conversation like a competition. So, really, far from dismissing her, this means that Pence considered Harris a real competitor and treated her as such.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @fish, @James O'Meara

    ” to the point that this dynamic can create surprisingly stable conversations between men of vastly different backgrounds. ”

    Spengler, among others, considered counterpoint (e.g. Bach) as the pinnacle of Western (Faustian) Man’s art. A certain mentality rejects this.

    The Church opposed polyphony because it obscured the words, until Palestrina supposedly convinced the Pope it could be done (see Pfitzner’s opera of that name).

    The same mentality promoted Hindu and other sorts of “world” music as ipso facto purer, etc. than stuffy old European music. Jazz was originally ensemble music, only later “evolving” the solo idea, and devotees of the old style were mocked as “moldy figs.”

    Avant-garde composer Harry Partch disparaged harmony and promoted monochords, single string instruments, etc. in the name of “integrity” (integral = one). There is a yearly festival of Partch in Seattle, of course.

    You’ll notice all these are movements of the Left. (Even the Church controversy: implicitly Protestant, hence Puritans, Social Gospel, etc.). It’s part of their search for the “real”, “natural,” “authentic”, etc.

    So, yeah, no elaborate give and take, overlacing, etc. is allowed. Each must be allowed to speak what they want, for as long as they want, and they you can have your turn. Or not.

  128. @Art Deco
    Lots of office supervisors with black women on their staff in this country. I'm going to wager that about 98% of them would be puzzled by the notion that the black women on their staff are shuffling about in a state of enforced silence. The black women on their staff generally have a men in their lives; I'm wagering about 98% of those men would be...puzzled by the notion that the women in their lives are shuffling around in a state of enforced silence.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Ano, @Clyde, @mmack, @Hypnotoad666

    Black women are just so soft-spoken and demure, we may never get to hear what they really think.

  129. @Diversity Heretic
    @MEH 0910

    Johnson County, Iowa, in which is located the lunatic asylum known as the University of Iowa, is having its history rewritten. Instead of being named for the vice president in the Martin Van Buren administration, it is now named for some obscure Negress who got a PhD in 1941 whose thesis was on slavery (oh the originality!!).

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jack D, @James O'Meara

    Perhaps one of these Johnsons would be better:

  130. @Pericles
    @MEH 0910

    And here I was hoping it would become the Gucci Mane Building. Dang.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Not to worry, the Nipsey Hussle particle accelerator should be powering up soon.

  131. @bomag
    @black sea

    Black Women should build their own websites; write their own books; start their own media companies; etc. -- and soar high, high! into the sky with their wonderful chatter.

    But to suggest such would be a most major macro-aggression.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Black Women should build their own websites; write their own books;

    I read the plot summary for Octavia Butler’s Kindred on Wikipedia.

    She didn’t need to write a novel to tell black women to go get a gullible liberal white guy to fix their problems.

  132. @Anon
    @nebulafox

    Very good question.

    Answer # 1 is what other commenters said about storytelling of “common myths” we all know about through past entertainment.An easier sell for maximizing revenue.

    The other answer is that they’re normalizing ideas/habits/vision of humankind that are inimical to Western Civilization.

    Harry Potter. Witchcraft of course.Rumor has it the author’s spells are actual spells. Whether Rowling is Wicca or just did her research is not clear yet. Notice also there’s no good vs evil.. both sides are necromancers in a tribal war, but Potter is cute and relatable.

    X-men. My money is on seeding ideas about transhumanism: men who are not quite human but have superpowers. The Wolverine in particular was made, not born. Notice again the absence of the categories good/evil. Another tribal war for world domination. Absence of family.

    Elysium, Hunger games, Divergent.. distopias about transhumanist worlds where one side already won the tribal war, and the underdogs in the new hierarchy want to overthrow “the system”. This also helps the current undermining of Nation-States, but notice that there is never a Socratic process of defining what actual justice is, or what a just system would look like. The viewer is supposed to empathize with the main (oppressed) character. Compare with the older Gattaca, where the hero just wanted out, to game the system, so to speak, not to overthrow it.

    Perhaps it is cathartic to believe in superpowers.. most people by now intuit their elites are depraved and abusive, and there’s little the regular citizen can do about Gates and Soros et al.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @James O'Meara

    X-men.

    The X-men and similar properties have been interpreted as stand-ins for the blacks and gays at various points.

  133. @El Dato
    @PiltdownMan


    Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head.

     

    Standard behaviour by primates is now high art? Which comes naturally? I'm dubious about this. It's same thing as with the hair.

    (Is there some academic study on whether blacks parse facial expressions somehow differently than whites? I am convinced the wiring is just different.)


    But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal …
     
    Jeannette Epps giving you The Look:

    https://i.postimg.cc/BvcgRLpb/Jeannette-Epps-Black-Astronaut.png

    Replies: @Jack D

    Wow, I want that steampunk USSR phone for my mancave. That phone looks like it would withstand nuclear war. The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense. Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years – it’s not like cell phones where you have to get a new one every 3 years (or less) or it’s outdated. But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jack D


    But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.
     
    I suspect that the phones on the ISS module are based on military grade handsets. These may be of Russian origin or design but I've seen some on US ships which look similar.

    Internal phones on ships are all hard wired. While I can't say for certain I doubt many seagoing vessels use WiFi for internal communications.

    Maritime hardware is usually very rugged, corrosion resistant and designed to operate in extreme conditions.

    Like most Russian hardware, this handset probably is very tough and will last forever. Of course with space hardware, probably costs X100 what it should.

    "Works in a vacuum, though the sound waves might not!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @sayless
    @Jack D

    Agree with you about that Sovietskaya phone, Jack D., I'd like one too. Am tired of having to say, You're breaking up, or, Alright, I'm going into the kitchen now, how's that, and so on. And people's voices are tinnier on those tiny portable machines, lack resonance, it's fatiguing to supply the known voice to that abbreviated voice-sample they transmit.

    That phone's a monster. I wonder how much depth the voices had on it, would bet it was good.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense.
     
    In the late 1960s, a bunch of us kids found a WE payphone that was abandoned in a Chicago alley. Like that Russkie phone, it was made of cast metal. We got it opened by taking it to a third-floor porch and tossing it onto the sidewalk below. It took several drops and we got less than $3 change out of it.

    Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years
     
    The DP technology still exists on your phone line; they simply added a DTMF receiver into the switching network. The telcos wanted the customer to pay for using Touch-Tone and I was always too cheap to pay it. The telcos gave up and now TT is free.

    Replies: @Jack D

  134. @AndrewR
    @Diversity Heretic

    That would be an interesting read. 80 years ago, slavery was still within living memory, so it would have been interesting to interview the older generations about it. Even if someone then was too young to recall slavery per se, most adults, in the former slave states at least, could relate the memories of older friends or relatives. Nowadays we are so far removed from slavery that most people will uncritically accept the most one-sided narratives about it, and this gullibility directly plays into black supremacy (which of course is subordinate to another type of ethnic supremacy, but I digress)

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @sayless

    I don’t know if her thesis was published and don’t care enough to look it up. IIRC, one of the writers’ programs in the New Deal was to interview freed slaves, of which there were still a fair number (although probably not in Iowa) about their slave experiences. Many of them expressed good memories of their masters and recalled that most punishments were for laziness.

  135. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @nebulafox


    What’s with the past few years and the increasing visibility of superhero or fantasy world analogies?
     
    Several commentators have tried to recast capeshit as the modern Western equivalent of Greek myths or the Icelandic sagas in terms of being founding myths and cultural touchstones.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @S. Anonyia, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    In 2000 years Superman, Batman, Spiderman and the others will be seen exactly as we today see Apollo, Achilles, Hercules, etc.

  136. @Tono Bungay
    @AndrewR

    What continues to astound me is that these papers see themselves as proponents of free speech etc., yet it is obvious that Jews and blacks are free to criticize whites but whites are not at all welcome to return the favor. What kind of mind is capable of such logical self-contradiction?

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    “What kind of mind is capable of such logical self-contradiction?”

    The one that invented the concept of “chutzpah.”

  137. I don’t think this article went over well at all. I was reading the comments in the WASHPO–usually very left wing–and even those people weren’t buying it.

  138. @Anon
    @nebulafox

    Very good question.

    Answer # 1 is what other commenters said about storytelling of “common myths” we all know about through past entertainment.An easier sell for maximizing revenue.

    The other answer is that they’re normalizing ideas/habits/vision of humankind that are inimical to Western Civilization.

    Harry Potter. Witchcraft of course.Rumor has it the author’s spells are actual spells. Whether Rowling is Wicca or just did her research is not clear yet. Notice also there’s no good vs evil.. both sides are necromancers in a tribal war, but Potter is cute and relatable.

    X-men. My money is on seeding ideas about transhumanism: men who are not quite human but have superpowers. The Wolverine in particular was made, not born. Notice again the absence of the categories good/evil. Another tribal war for world domination. Absence of family.

    Elysium, Hunger games, Divergent.. distopias about transhumanist worlds where one side already won the tribal war, and the underdogs in the new hierarchy want to overthrow “the system”. This also helps the current undermining of Nation-States, but notice that there is never a Socratic process of defining what actual justice is, or what a just system would look like. The viewer is supposed to empathize with the main (oppressed) character. Compare with the older Gattaca, where the hero just wanted out, to game the system, so to speak, not to overthrow it.

    Perhaps it is cathartic to believe in superpowers.. most people by now intuit their elites are depraved and abusive, and there’s little the regular citizen can do about Gates and Soros et al.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @James O'Meara

    Simpler explanation: because Jews.

    Jews run both industries and so, ethnic networking. Why pay royalties to the goyim?

    More broadly, Jews are hands down the best storytellers (call it “lying” if you prefer).

    Their scriptures – later including the sequel, “The New Testament” — were eagerly read throughout the Hellenistic world. Goyim would even attend synagogues to hear the stories. Greek, Roman and then Germanic mythology was eventually entirely replaced by superior Jewish stories.

    They basically invented the historical novel (“Jesus must have been real, look, it mentions Pilate, a real Roman governor!”).

    Then in the 30s they took over Nietzsche’s Superman and invented the “super hero”, who is basically the Jew. He looks like a nerd, uses a pseudonym, but has super powers that he uses to kindly help us pitiful Earthlings so as to prevent our being taken over by evil White Men (super- villains).

    It may be a contemptible genre (Hesse thought magazine articles and crossword puzzles were the worst thing the masses could take up) but they repay study because, as usual, the message is right there out in front of the clueless goyim.

    https://counter-currents.com/2011/10/from-krakow-to-krypton-jews-and-comic-books/

    https://counter-currents.com/2012/07/the-ponderous-weight-of-the-dark-knight/

  139. @Jack D
    @Diversity Heretic

    This is a great idea - you can rename everything without actually having to print new stationary or changing the signs. Washington, D.C. and the State of Washington can be renamed in honor of George Washington Carver. The Jefferson Memorial can be renamed in honor of the pioneering black sitcom ("Movin' On Up!). The Wilson School of Government can be renamed in honor of Flip. The possibilities are endless, especially since back in the day black people used to have white people names.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Achmed E. Newman

    Seattle, Washington is way ahead of you, Jack. The Seattle City Council changed their interpretation of the name for King County from being named after Vice President William R. King to being named after the Commie race-hustler Martin Luther King … Reverend …. Junior …. Doctor a decade back or so. (I’m sure people outside of Seattle in that country wanted none of that.)

  140. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Art Deco

    A wise man once observed: the "silenced" voices seem to be the only ones we're allowed to hear these days. Near as I can tell, it's been this way for at least fifty years now.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pericles, @Muggles

    The term “ratchet” per Wikipedia (and common black/hip-hop knowledge) is a loud obnoxious black woman who won’t shut up.

    You see these frequently in cell phone videos of black women fighting or arguing with each other or anyone else. A black (Black!) Karen thing.

    The 6th definition in the Urban Dictionary (the prior ones are all nonsensical or normal) is this:

    A ghetto girl who is loud and obnoxious and constantly causing drama and usually trashy.
    A ratchet girl would wear a sweat suit and talk like this: ” o hell naw i know that bitch was not talking to my man I finna beat her ass, ooo she is so fake.”
    by real things April 09, 2012

    Wikipedia barely acknowledges this as it has been Woke sanitized. They do acknowledge that it was coined by rappers circa 2010. The term has southern dialect roots and rappers coining it were mainly from the south.

    These women can be found in a lot of contexts. The more they “argue” or threaten, and escalate, the louder they become. Then pushing and finally (sometimes) hair pulling. That’s all out war.

    There are white women like this. Fat, tatted up, sloppy, entitled, sometimes even sober.

    Even if by some chance you don’t want to hear what black women are speaking, often you have little choice. Other than to remove yourself.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Muggles

    "The term “ratchet” per Wikipedia (and common black/hip-hop knowledge) is a loud obnoxious black woman who won’t shut up".

    So in other words, a black woman...

  141. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Wow, I want that steampunk USSR phone for my mancave. That phone looks like it would withstand nuclear war. The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense. Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years - it's not like cell phones where you have to get a new one every 3 years (or less) or it's outdated. But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    Replies: @Muggles, @sayless, @Joe Stalin

    But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    I suspect that the phones on the ISS module are based on military grade handsets. These may be of Russian origin or design but I’ve seen some on US ships which look similar.

    Internal phones on ships are all hard wired. While I can’t say for certain I doubt many seagoing vessels use WiFi for internal communications.

    Maritime hardware is usually very rugged, corrosion resistant and designed to operate in extreme conditions.

    Like most Russian hardware, this handset probably is very tough and will last forever. Of course with space hardware, probably costs X100 what it should.

    “Works in a vacuum, though the sound waves might not!”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Muggles

    I doubt that they use this phone on the ISS - it must weigh a ton and it costs a fortune to lift every lb. into orbit. This photo must have been taken at the Russian launch base (aka "Star City") at Baikonur, which has been the Russian "Cape Canaveral" since the 1950s. Baikonur is deep inside Kazakhstan which nowadays is an independent country but the entire area (2500 sq. miles) is leased by Russia until at least 2050.

    To give you an idea of Soviet paranoia, Baikonur is not the real name of this area - it is the name of a different city maybe 300 miles away. The real name of the place was Tyuratam. The Soviets called it Baikonur to throw the enemy (us) off the track as to where its location was.

  142. Karen Attiah is a Ghanaian-American writer and Global Opinions editor for The Washington Post.

    Oh right Ghana, the third world country with rape culture and some of the worst pollution.

    https://africasacountry.com/2019/08/afropop-feminism-fights-rape-culture/

    https://www.muntaka.com/air-pollution-in-ghana-iqair-report/

    Gotta love these immigrant women in media and US politics that seem obsessed with lecturing the US while ignoring the third world hell holes they came from.

    Cause White men or something.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @John Johnson

    I don't remember if this is one of Steve's Laws but it should be: white-targeted whattaboutism is what most nonwhites plan to do to solve their internal problems.

  143. @Abolish_public_education
    A good chunk of the subscriptions, that the newspaper industry (as a whole, just a handful?) has been able to retain, must come from tax-funded, left-wing institutions like public (including school) libraries.

    Please keep that in mind when your down-ballot poses a question about upping the assessment to support local libraries.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    A good chunk of the subscriptions, that the newspaper industry (as a whole, just a handful?) has been able to retain, must come from tax-funded, left-wing institutions like public (including school) libraries.

    Well libraries know who butters their bread. They know the left will never cut their funding.

    Just have a look at the selections they put front and center when you walk in. It’s typically some urban newspapers along with their White guilt picks of the month. Libraries celebrate Black history month for about half a year.

    I don’t have a problem with the smaller rural libraries. They at least perform a public service for families even if they are empty most of the time.

    I do have a problem with expensive urban libraries that provide free porn and napping rooms for the homeless.

  144. @William Badwhite
    @PiltdownMan


    a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”
     
    followed by


    The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive
     
    Logic isn't their strong suit. The demeanor is, by her own description, threatening (You've got 10 seconds...). Yet if we view them as threatening, we're bad. Makes sense.

    Would be funny if someone corrected her grammar: You meant "you HAVE exactly 10 seconds", not you've GOT'

    Replies: @Bumpkin, @Chrisnonymous

    Meh. I think in this case “you’ve got” qualifies as idiomatic usage.

  145. @steve & whomever else it may concern:

    i was perusing the latest FBI crime dataz here:

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

    and noticed that the black murder rate seems to really fall off with age. has anyone else noticed this, and/or do they have a theory as to why? my first guess would be related to the ‘fast life strategy’ hypothesis, with our black countrymen aging out of the effective murderer age cohort quicker than others. but my experience with old white men is that some of them truly harbor a well-seasoned, slow-broiled spirit of thanatos, e.g. the mass shooter in vegas. caucasians without families and/or God can be horribly vindictive

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @raven lunatic

    Some of that.

    Also, more black men are in prison more of their adult life, so they aren't available to murder anybody.

  146. @raven lunatic
    @steve & whomever else it may concern:

    i was perusing the latest FBI crime dataz here:

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

    and noticed that the black murder rate seems to really fall off with age. has anyone else noticed this, and/or do they have a theory as to why? my first guess would be related to the 'fast life strategy' hypothesis, with our black countrymen aging out of the effective murderer age cohort quicker than others. but my experience with old white men is that some of them truly harbor a well-seasoned, slow-broiled spirit of thanatos, e.g. the mass shooter in vegas. caucasians without families and/or God can be horribly vindictive

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Some of that.

    Also, more black men are in prison more of their adult life, so they aren’t available to murder anybody.

  147. @John Johnson
    Karen Attiah is a Ghanaian-American writer and Global Opinions editor for The Washington Post.

    Oh right Ghana, the third world country with rape culture and some of the worst pollution.

    https://africasacountry.com/2019/08/afropop-feminism-fights-rape-culture/

    https://www.muntaka.com/air-pollution-in-ghana-iqair-report/

    Gotta love these immigrant women in media and US politics that seem obsessed with lecturing the US while ignoring the third world hell holes they came from.

    Cause White men or something.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I don’t remember if this is one of Steve’s Laws but it should be: white-targeted whattaboutism is what most nonwhites plan to do to solve their internal problems.

  148. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Father O'Hara

    Well....

    https://media.self.com/photos/59d65d8274a834772329aa34/4:3/w_676,h_507,c_limit/Screen%20Shot%202017-10-05%20at%2012.27.05%20PM.png

    https://kidfocused.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/black-woman-attitude3.jpg

    https://as2.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/47/32/23/500_F_247322377_gJXEN1yS4Ww4XxoGdHe8OpBPLvrQea0B.jpg

    Replies: @Hunsdon

    The horror, the horror.

  149. @AndrewR
    @Diversity Heretic

    That would be an interesting read. 80 years ago, slavery was still within living memory, so it would have been interesting to interview the older generations about it. Even if someone then was too young to recall slavery per se, most adults, in the former slave states at least, could relate the memories of older friends or relatives. Nowadays we are so far removed from slavery that most people will uncritically accept the most one-sided narratives about it, and this gullibility directly plays into black supremacy (which of course is subordinate to another type of ethnic supremacy, but I digress)

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @sayless

    In the 1930s my father used to make pastoral visits once a month to an old plantation. A granddaughter of the original family lived in the plantation house. A 105-year-old woman still lived in the slave quarters.

    The granddaughter came over to take care of her every day. She begged her to leave the slave quarters and come live in the plantation house. The answer was No.

    The 105-year-old absolutely hated the Yankees. “They killed all of our animals. They burned all of our crops.”

  150. @Neuday
    @Father O'Hara


    Of all women:
    Who are the most violent?
    Who are the worst mothers?
    Who are the least attractive?
    Who are the most obese?
    Who are the most angry? Mean? Combative? Hateful?
    Just asking.
     
    If violent, it's a righteous result of oppression.
    They're not poor mothers and she'll beat your ass if you talk back like that..
    They're actually the most beautiful; you're just a racist.
    Not at all obese, as real men like curves and a big, brightly colored backside.
    If angry, etc., it's because you aren't fucking listening!
    If you're asking, you're part of the problem, muddahfuggah.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Neu, you get more than the LOL button. Too funny.

  151. @Anonymous
    She's good with the nitty-gritty facts, too.

    https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/1314010984957325313

    Replies: @Arthur Biggs, @Jack D, @Getaclue

    Obesity of some “folk”?

  152. @Cloudbuster
    America Hates to Let Black Women Speak

    I do, but that doesn't seem to stop them from talking.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    Seems some of them never shut up from what I’ve seen — like Stacey Abrams….

  153. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1314227817987690496

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Getaclue

    I recently read some high up guy leaving the UN — said he was leaving because there were no promotions anymore unless you were Homosexual — they control it all now….

  154. @Muggles
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    The term "ratchet" per Wikipedia (and common black/hip-hop knowledge) is a loud obnoxious black woman who won't shut up.

    You see these frequently in cell phone videos of black women fighting or arguing with each other or anyone else. A black (Black!) Karen thing.

    The 6th definition in the Urban Dictionary (the prior ones are all nonsensical or normal) is this:


    A ghetto girl who is loud and obnoxious and constantly causing drama and usually trashy.
    A ratchet girl would wear a sweat suit and talk like this: " o hell naw i know that bitch was not talking to my man I finna beat her ass, ooo she is so fake."
    by real things April 09, 2012
     

    Wikipedia barely acknowledges this as it has been Woke sanitized. They do acknowledge that it was coined by rappers circa 2010. The term has southern dialect roots and rappers coining it were mainly from the south.

    These women can be found in a lot of contexts. The more they "argue" or threaten, and escalate, the louder they become. Then pushing and finally (sometimes) hair pulling. That's all out war.

    There are white women like this. Fat, tatted up, sloppy, entitled, sometimes even sober.

    Even if by some chance you don't want to hear what black women are speaking, often you have little choice. Other than to remove yourself.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    “The term “ratchet” per Wikipedia (and common black/hip-hop knowledge) is a loud obnoxious black woman who won’t shut up”.

    So in other words, a black woman…

  155. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Wow, I want that steampunk USSR phone for my mancave. That phone looks like it would withstand nuclear war. The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense. Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years - it's not like cell phones where you have to get a new one every 3 years (or less) or it's outdated. But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    Replies: @Muggles, @sayless, @Joe Stalin

    Agree with you about that Sovietskaya phone, Jack D., I’d like one too. Am tired of having to say, You’re breaking up, or, Alright, I’m going into the kitchen now, how’s that, and so on. And people’s voices are tinnier on those tiny portable machines, lack resonance, it’s fatiguing to supply the known voice to that abbreviated voice-sample they transmit.

    That phone’s a monster. I wonder how much depth the voices had on it, would bet it was good.

  156. Karen, you’re a black body who writes and yet you didn’t use the word “exhausted” in your article. I’m disappointed.

  157. @AndrewR
    @Just another serf

    I'm sure Steve has mentioned this, but this girl is not only the personification of the Karen meme [I am sure she never hesitates to ask to speak to the manager] but she's also an imported African. Both her parents are immigrants. The same is true of Kamala Harris, of course. Rootless "fellow black people" cashing in on American blacks' black privilege and hatred of whitey

    Replies: @ic1000, @ben tillman, @restless94110

    What is with all of these rootless “fellow women” in the Legislature. You have Crazie Hirono in Hawaii who I’m pretty sure is an immigrant or from immigrant parents and Cheater Omar who is also an immigrant. I’m sure there are several more.

    All crazy haters that, like Commala, add absolutely zero to the well being of the country and are hell bent on dividing it.

  158. @Jack D
    @El Dato

    Wow, I want that steampunk USSR phone for my mancave. That phone looks like it would withstand nuclear war. The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense. Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years - it's not like cell phones where you have to get a new one every 3 years (or less) or it's outdated. But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.

    Replies: @Muggles, @sayless, @Joe Stalin

    The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense.

    In the late 1960s, a bunch of us kids found a WE payphone that was abandoned in a Chicago alley. Like that Russkie phone, it was made of cast metal. We got it opened by taking it to a third-floor porch and tossing it onto the sidewalk below. It took several drops and we got less than $3 change out of it.

    Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years

    The DP technology still exists on your phone line; they simply added a DTMF receiver into the switching network. The telcos wanted the customer to pay for using Touch-Tone and I was always too cheap to pay it. The telcos gave up and now TT is free.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Joe Stalin

    Actually a number of years ago they switched - the network runs on DTMF. In some areas they still support pulse dial (they convert the pulses to DTMF) but in most areas it is no longer supported at all. For that matter, they are trying to get rid of copper phone service completely.

    The ironic thing is that in some areas they were charging extra for Touch Tone service even after they had converted their network to DTMF - it actually cost them MORE money to provide you with pulse service, but the phone company bases pricing on whatever the market will bear, not on their costs.

  159. I am one American who couldn’t care less if black women get to talk, as long as I am not required to listen.

  160. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    But compared to that phone, Americanski phones look like plastic toys. That phone has outlasted the Soviet Union by 30 years and it looks like its good for another 90 at least.
     
    I suspect that the phones on the ISS module are based on military grade handsets. These may be of Russian origin or design but I've seen some on US ships which look similar.

    Internal phones on ships are all hard wired. While I can't say for certain I doubt many seagoing vessels use WiFi for internal communications.

    Maritime hardware is usually very rugged, corrosion resistant and designed to operate in extreme conditions.

    Like most Russian hardware, this handset probably is very tough and will last forever. Of course with space hardware, probably costs X100 what it should.

    "Works in a vacuum, though the sound waves might not!"

    Replies: @Jack D

    I doubt that they use this phone on the ISS – it must weigh a ton and it costs a fortune to lift every lb. into orbit. This photo must have been taken at the Russian launch base (aka “Star City”) at Baikonur, which has been the Russian “Cape Canaveral” since the 1950s. Baikonur is deep inside Kazakhstan which nowadays is an independent country but the entire area (2500 sq. miles) is leased by Russia until at least 2050.

    To give you an idea of Soviet paranoia, Baikonur is not the real name of this area – it is the name of a different city maybe 300 miles away. The real name of the place was Tyuratam. The Soviets called it Baikonur to throw the enemy (us) off the track as to where its location was.

  161. @PiltdownMan
    @nebulafox

    Good point.

    It may be because of the fragmentation of the syllabus for English literature in schools and colleges. People don't have a common set of books of fiction that they have read to draw upon for analogies. Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    Come to think of it, since people have stopped watching network TV in favor of online clips and streaming services in the last decade or two, they don't even have a standard set of TV show oriented pop culture references.


    They've all watched billion-dollar-grossing superhero franchise movies, though.

    Replies: @John Regan, @Percy Gryce, @Dave from Oz

    Sixty years ago, most adults would have read Hawthorne, Twain or Dickens at some point in their education. A hundred and fifty years ago, perhaps Homer and Virgil.

    You are overlooking The Bible. Amercan rhetoric of 100 years ago was loaded with biblical references.

  162. @Joe Stalin
    @Jack D


    The old Western Electric phones that the phone company provided were overbuilt by modern standards because if they broke, Bell Telephone would have to dispatch a technician to replace it at their expense.
     
    In the late 1960s, a bunch of us kids found a WE payphone that was abandoned in a Chicago alley. Like that Russkie phone, it was made of cast metal. We got it opened by taking it to a third-floor porch and tossing it onto the sidewalk below. It took several drops and we got less than $3 change out of it.

    Also dial telephone technology basically did not change on the customer equipment end for 40 years
     
    The DP technology still exists on your phone line; they simply added a DTMF receiver into the switching network. The telcos wanted the customer to pay for using Touch-Tone and I was always too cheap to pay it. The telcos gave up and now TT is free.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Actually a number of years ago they switched – the network runs on DTMF. In some areas they still support pulse dial (they convert the pulses to DTMF) but in most areas it is no longer supported at all. For that matter, they are trying to get rid of copper phone service completely.

    The ironic thing is that in some areas they were charging extra for Touch Tone service even after they had converted their network to DTMF – it actually cost them MORE money to provide you with pulse service, but the phone company bases pricing on whatever the market will bear, not on their costs.

  163. @PiltdownMan
    In a similar vein, also in the Washington Post today:

    Harris won’t stop her ‘smirk.’ Nor should she. It’s Black women’s superpower.

    Opinion by Michele L. Norris

    "..."Why would she relinquish one of her innate superpowers?

    ...Black women have elevated the “Mama don’t take no mess” expression to a form of high art — a narrowing of the eye, a lift of the eyebrow, a tilt of the head. Sometimes there is a sideways arch of the neck, a molasses-slow movement of the jaw that says, without speaking, “You’ve got exactly 10 seconds to pick up your feet and run for the hills.”

    ... The kind of thing that leads Black women to be called sassy, volatile, aggressive or angry. All of that is an effort to dismiss or demean. But that attempted erasure is the very reason Black women — indeed, most women — have some version of The Look in their arsenal ..."
     


     
    et cetera, et cetera.

    Replies: @black sea, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @William Badwhite, @Buffalo Joe, @Prof. Woland

    The thing I find most unattractive about Harris is her voice. She has that nasal honk that is characteristic of a braying donkey. What is even worse is when she tries to sweeten it. It is just plain unattractive.

    Like most women, she is good at dissimulating. When she is angry, she smiles, and the angrier she becomes the more she bars her teeth like a dog. She pulls her gums back. One the surface, she is a good actress, but if you know what to look for she is very easy to read. She is ugly to the bone.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Prof. Woland


    She is ugly to the bone.
     
    She is ugly both inside and out. If/when she becomes POTUS it'll be a real eye-opener to non-political whites.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

  164. @Prof. Woland
    @PiltdownMan

    The thing I find most unattractive about Harris is her voice. She has that nasal honk that is characteristic of a braying donkey. What is even worse is when she tries to sweeten it. It is just plain unattractive.

    Like most women, she is good at dissimulating. When she is angry, she smiles, and the angrier she becomes the more she bars her teeth like a dog. She pulls her gums back. One the surface, she is a good actress, but if you know what to look for she is very easy to read. She is ugly to the bone.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    She is ugly to the bone.

    She is ugly both inside and out. If/when she becomes POTUS it’ll be a real eye-opener to non-political whites.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @William Badwhite

    Everybody sees that, in both parties, which is why she dropped out so early in the primaries. Makes you wonder why the Biden staff chose her, if they felt they had to choose a black woman because of the BLM riots and she was the only one who'd served in a prominent elected position. With all the damage she's going to do to their chances, they get what they deserve.

  165. @William Badwhite
    @Prof. Woland


    She is ugly to the bone.
     
    She is ugly both inside and out. If/when she becomes POTUS it'll be a real eye-opener to non-political whites.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

    Everybody sees that, in both parties, which is why she dropped out so early in the primaries. Makes you wonder why the Biden staff chose her, if they felt they had to choose a black woman because of the BLM riots and she was the only one who’d served in a prominent elected position. With all the damage she’s going to do to their chances, they get what they deserve.

  166. @MEH 0910
    @wren

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6275077/Sex-Pistol-Johnny-Rotten-sports-Make-America-Great-t-shirt-puffs-cigarette.html

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/14/20/5041012-0-image-a-40_1539544845636.jpg

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @MEH 0910

    HT: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/johnny-no-longer-rotten/

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