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The return of Black Lives Matter on May 25, 2020 coincided with a historic surge in black homicide fatalities and traffic fatalities.

Black homicide victimization data is from the CDC and traffic fatality data from the NHTSA.

Here is my graph of the CDC’s count of homicide victims by race by month since 1999:

Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?

 
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  1. I’m suddenly a fan of BLM.

    Joking.

    Not really.

    • Agree: magilla
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Matthew Kelly

    The only upside i can see is political as people react to the Democrat generated crime spree.

    But the direct impact--the culling itself--is too trivial to improve things.

    There really is no way around the fact that modern life is simply quite a bit safer and cushier than in the past, in that the result of that tends to be dysgenic. Eugenic policies--low and high: booting out criminals, and requiring zero-fertility in return for welfare and encouragement and incentives for healthy and productive young couple to have children--is necessary to avoid dystopia.

    Serious nations that figure that out will win the future.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly

    , @jizmo
    @Matthew Kelly

    Shouldn't that be homey-cide?

    , @magilla
    @Matthew Kelly

    I am, too. Got an address for donations?

    , @Jim Christian
    @Matthew Kelly

    Don't feel bad, MK, I'm of the same notion about Roe v. Wade. More abortions in, fewer man-hating feminist spawn out, and we're 80-100million abortions in. Imagine the depth of this and the effect of millions upon 10s of millions fewer feminists to deal with and support for their entire lives, not to mention their hatreds and whining? As for BLM, if those folks will do that to each other on such a grand scale, imagine what those who kill and those killed want to do to us?

    Never interrupt your enemies as they destroy themselves.

  2. Have the number Brianna Kupfer murders increased while blacks are killing each other?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Goatweed

    She said on the the phone to a friend just before she died that she was getting weird vibes from a someone that had cape into the luxury furniture store. He was relalising no one else was there. She knew he was not a paying customer. Although she was working alone she was scared to act like a Karen and died as a result. Why would she even agree to working there when anyone could walk in and they'd be the only people there. Not like the place was busy she was found by the next customer 20 minutes later .

    Replies: @bomag

    , @George
    @Goatweed

    "Brianna Kupfer murders"

    In a just world white women would be murdered by homeless white men.

    Man charged with murder after allegedly beating woman to death with pipes in Old City office: Police

    Police say the woman was struck at least five times in the head while sitting with her back turned in a reception area.

    https://6abc.com/old-city-murder-philadelphia-beating-jeffery-stepien-samantha-maag/11491657/

    , @BB753
    @Goatweed

    Newspapers say it was a random attack. Random as in " stabbed to death for...reasons..".

    , @Brit
    @Goatweed

    The graph seems to suggest a spike of 50-100 since 2020, perhaps by Racial Reckoning. (Much less than the blacks though only pointing that out cos we can’t convince them to save whites without saving blacks)

  3. Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Goatweed

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    https://i.imgflip.com/4c2gbs.jpg

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Sean, @Clyde, @jsm

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Goatweed

    "Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?"

    Didn't Steve report that white homicide victims were up 21%, and Asian victims up 1%?

    Don't know about the perps, but I could make an educated guess.


    (BTW this is when I really miss on Unz a sane or at least alternative view of what's going on re Ukraine. Pity Mr Karlin's no longer here)

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @bomag
    @Goatweed

    I'm sure if it had gone down, we'd hear all about it.

  4. So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier. The Ferguson effect did that, I guess. But what if there is more at work than the Ferguson effect? In other words, when you tell black people that they really really matter, they are so great, they go out and do other things differently. All sorts of things. I guess this is like giving a participation trophy to all of the child athletes, in other words, telling the last-place runners how great they are. How does this affect them?

    • Replies: @Element59
    @SafeNow

    "So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier."

    This harkens to my personal hypothesis, that in an advanced industrialized society with a sub-population of such a highly r-Selected group (Sub-Saharan Africans), once the external (environmental) pressures on public conduct are weakened (ending formal segregation, relaxing enforcement of white social norms of behavior), the innate impulses and drives of the sub-population become more unconstrained. Therefore, the worst innate attributes of the group rapidly manifest and begins a runaway feedback loop of dysfunctional group behavior.

    What's happened in America since Feguson and Floyd has resulted in rapidly accelerating this process of runaway sub-group dysfunction - and we see it in the data here. It can only be reigned-in by reverting back to enforcing firm standards of public behavior and of re-setting scholastic academic standards that apply equally to all - regardless of any disparate impact. This is just the starting points to work from. Eliminating any and all racial preferences, quotas, diversity promotion programs etc., would be the next step. But I dream on...

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @SafeNow

    "The Ferguson effect did that, I guess."

    More like the MLK Effect, or the naacp effect. In the run-up to the supremes’ 1954 Brown decision, the naacp insisted that black “students” could and would follow White academic and behavioral norms. Once they were brought into previously all-White schools, their work was lousy, they cursed their heads off, sexually molested White girls (grabbing their breasts and butts), and on the rare occasion they were disciplined, they vandalized the school buildings. The naacp’s response to criticism? To scream, “Racism!”

    “King Holyday Rooted in Lies about What He Believed—and What Jefferson and America’s Founders Believed”

    https://www.unz.com/article/king-holyday-rooted-in-lies-about-what-he-believed-and-what-jefferson-and-americas-founders-believed/

    , @jsm
    @SafeNow


    How does this affect them?
     
    Surely, they know they're being lied to. They know they're not great; they know we're just patronizing them. And us saying it just ticks 'em off, which is why they up their efforts at anti-socialism.
  5. At the other extreme, is there anything whiter than the Rutherford family of Belgium? (Haven’t determined if her dad is Belgian or British, but Rutherford is a Borders surname. I’m reading Chief Justice Rehnquist’s book about the 1876 election, so I have Rutherfords on the brain at the moment.)

    Zara Rutherford became the youngest woman (yawn) and first Belgian (mildly interesting) to fly solo around the world in whatever contraption she did it in. She’s pushing a women-in-STEM narrative, but she’s so charming it’s easy to forgive this. (Does the EU suffer an equivalent of our H-1b visa, making the field even less attractive than it already is?)

    Meet the teenage pilot who battled thunderstorms in her around-the-world solo flight

    Two years ago, her pilot father nearly lost his life in Labrador. His passenger did. Didn’t stop him… or her.

    Coming back to Labrador is like ‘a pilgrimage’ for pilot who crashed there last month

    • Thanks: James of Africa
  6. Exactly what happened in the 1960’s
    After Blacks finally gained “Civil Rights” and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass! While the leftists suffered no consequences from checking out of society and returning to it whenever they felt like it, the Black man is still unable to recover from the damage caused, and still being caused, by dissatisfied white people who use Blacks as the vanguard of their discontent.

    • Agree: Kronos, Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Michelle

    In many ways black crime helped form Neoconservatism. Neocons like Irving Kristol had their childhood neighborhoods tactically nuked by black crime. Which pushed them away from standard liberalism. The neighborhood may still might be “radioactive” to this day. I think it was Kristol who commented that he’d never return to his old high school unless he had a police escort of 11 or 12 police cruisers. (The school at the time was entirely black by the 1980s and wanted him to visit to show the kids an example of a successful graduate.)

    Replies: @Arclight, @Marquis, @John Milton’s Ghost

    , @AceDeuce
    @Michelle


    After Blacks finally gained “Civil Rights” and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass!
     
    Sorry, no. It's not the White liberals' fault. This is how negroes act. Why is there a compulsion to make excuses for groids?

    Replies: @Michelle

  7. I read in one place that in New York in the 1990s, 2000 people a year died, and now its 400.

    Then elsewhere I read that Philadelphia just passed its all time murder record.

    I think maybe everybody lies all the time.

    Except me. I’m just being lied to.

    • Replies: @Marquis
    @obwandiyag

    NYC was bad in the 80s and 90s. They haven’t got back there yet. Other cities that weren’t quite that bad back then are approaching record crime. I believe Indianapolis set a murder record recently too.

    , @lavoisier
    @obwandiyag

    Whatever the number is, you can be sure that blacks are way over represented in the crime statistics--whether in 1950 or today.

    Black criminality is a disgrace and all the excuses in the world cannot change that fact.

    , @Jack D
    @obwandiyag

    Everything you just said is true. There is a lot of fuzz in crime statistics in general but murders are fairly well recorded, such that you can rely on them as a proxy for overall crime. If the DA wants to start counting armed robbery as a misdemeanor so that the # of armed robberies doesn't go up, he can do that but it's hard to reinterpret a dead body with a bullet hole in it as something other than a homicide.

    The only real fuzz is that hospitals have gotten really good at treating gunshot wounds so that many shots that would have been fatal is the past are now survivable.

    , @Boo Alcindor
    @obwandiyag

    Doesn't matter if it is the '90s or now, joggers commit the vast majority of these murders.

  8. This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.
     
    1619.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41x3Av96bXL._SX295_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Redneck farmer, @billypadre

  9. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.

    1619.

    • Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar

    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic. By the way, Whites also brought horses with them to North America along with pigs. We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Something alpha male ancestor, something it was different, anyway, it wasn't the same sort of people who are currently screwing up who brought in slaves.

    , @billypadre
    @Reg Cæsar

    There were Africans--both free & slave--already living in the Spanish colony in St. Augustine (present day Florida) in 1565 & another colony further north (Georgia?) at about the same time. "The 1619 Project" narrative is false & historically inaccurate.

  10. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.
     
    1619.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41x3Av96bXL._SX295_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Redneck farmer, @billypadre

    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic. By the way, Whites also brought horses with them to North America along with pigs. We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic.
     

    No, it isn't. Slavery was the original forced integration. They'd never have gotten here on their own.

    If God had wanted us together, he'd have put us all on the same continent.


    We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.
     
    Just represented in Congress. Was that worth keeping them housed and fed?

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Horses contributed as much to building this country as blacks. Probably more.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

  11. Black Lives Matter’s Bloody Toll on Black People

    What has been the toll on White people?

  12. Mr. Sailer, when is this podcast with Murray coming out and where can we find it?

  13. @obwandiyag
    I read in one place that in New York in the 1990s, 2000 people a year died, and now its 400.

    Then elsewhere I read that Philadelphia just passed its all time murder record.

    I think maybe everybody lies all the time.

    Except me. I'm just being lied to.

    Replies: @Marquis, @lavoisier, @Jack D, @Boo Alcindor

    NYC was bad in the 80s and 90s. They haven’t got back there yet. Other cities that weren’t quite that bad back then are approaching record crime. I believe Indianapolis set a murder record recently too.

  14. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.
     
    1619.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41x3Av96bXL._SX295_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Redneck farmer, @billypadre

    Something alpha male ancestor, something it was different, anyway, it wasn’t the same sort of people who are currently screwing up who brought in slaves.

  15. @Goatweed
    Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Kronos, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    • LOL: bomag, BB753
    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    @Kronos

    My God. Please spoiler that kind of shit.

    , @Sean
    @Kronos

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the "Crazy Sal"

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/8ae764ff836a1f46815be26059c7270f/tumblr_nj6ejrpegO1s78t68o1_500.jpg

    Works for Jonah Hill

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Harry Baldwin, @Kratoklastes

    , @Clyde
    @Kronos

    Is that a dead city hipster or a live one?

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @jsm
    @Kronos

    This is a FtM trans, for sure. Truly tragic that in America of 2020 the "solution" offered to pathetically ugly girls is to turn them into even more pathetic-looking and ugly fake-men.

  16. @Michelle
    Exactly what happened in the 1960's
    After Blacks finally gained "Civil Rights" and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass! While the leftists suffered no consequences from checking out of society and returning to it whenever they felt like it, the Black man is still unable to recover from the damage caused, and still being caused, by dissatisfied white people who use Blacks as the vanguard of their discontent.

    Replies: @Kronos, @AceDeuce

    In many ways black crime helped form Neoconservatism. Neocons like Irving Kristol had their childhood neighborhoods tactically nuked by black crime. Which pushed them away from standard liberalism. The neighborhood may still might be “radioactive” to this day. I think it was Kristol who commented that he’d never return to his old high school unless he had a police escort of 11 or 12 police cruisers. (The school at the time was entirely black by the 1980s and wanted him to visit to show the kids an example of a successful graduate.)

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    , @Marquis
    @Kronos

    You’ll see a similar dynamic with liberals who hate the covid authoritarianism. They’re saying they’ll support republicans next election. But they still carry all their old beliefs that lead them to elect the lefty authoritarians they now hate. It’ll carry over to primaries as they’d never vote for a staunch pro life, or the like, candidate.

    It’ll be the new class of neocons.

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Kronos

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    America needed Neoconservatives to be “mugged by reality” to create a political coalition that would stop rotten leftism, but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Wilkey, @Kronos

  17. That’s gotta be FtM trans…

  18. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar

    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic. By the way, Whites also brought horses with them to North America along with pigs. We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic.

    No, it isn’t. Slavery was the original forced integration. They’d never have gotten here on their own.

    If God had wanted us together, he’d have put us all on the same continent.

    We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.

    Just represented in Congress. Was that worth keeping them housed and fed?

    • Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar


    No, it isn’t. Slavery was the original forced integration. They’d never have gotten here on their own.
     
    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago. Indians had practiced it for millennia.

    If God had wanted us together, he’d have put us all on the same continent.
     
    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it's all over the Bible!

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brit

    , @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Slavery was the original forced integration."

    This is the combination of applying modern day societal standards with 20/20 hindsight.

    We can condemn the Europeans of the 17th century for bringing negroes to the US, but they too can condemn us equally for our country-wrecking belief that negroes can function by Western Civilization's standards.

    At least those guys knew they were dealing with a different species. We think we're so much smarter these days but we're not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Slavery was the original forced integration
     
    Well no, that’s not really true. Slavery existed all over the world without there being much genetic integration back-and-forth.

    The Spartans kept themselves separate from those that they ruled over.

    Anyway, it’s a pointless topic with regard to what white people are facing today because we can’t hop ina time machine and do anything about what happened 500 or 5000 years ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  19. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic.
     

    No, it isn't. Slavery was the original forced integration. They'd never have gotten here on their own.

    If God had wanted us together, he'd have put us all on the same continent.


    We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.
     
    Just represented in Congress. Was that worth keeping them housed and fed?

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    No, it isn’t. Slavery was the original forced integration. They’d never have gotten here on their own.

    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago. Indians had practiced it for millennia.

    If God had wanted us together, he’d have put us all on the same continent.

    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it’s all over the Bible!

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago.
     
    Then their descendants belong in North America today. The descendants of the slaves of West Africa do not.

    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it’s all over the Bible!

     

    The importation of alien races is very much not.

    Besides, slavery takes many forms. Almost all found in thAmerica's. Near East allowed for the eventual freedom and assimilation of the slave. So Biblical slavery is irrelevant to the Americas.

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.
     
    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the "forced" part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called "freedom of association".

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    , @Brit
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Yeah and Christianity allowed and then abolished slavery. Bible Bashing Christians interpreted OT and Paul’s words in NT to endorse slavery (on top of seeing it normalised in Africa). I just wish they had more sense and either treated them better or enforced a successful segregation back then (maybe couldn’t have cos of the culture), because that’s why we’re all in this mess today. (Speaking as a Brit who now has to tread carefully because of the same behaviours over here).

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

  20. Black Lives Matter is the black 9/11.

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic.
     

    No, it isn't. Slavery was the original forced integration. They'd never have gotten here on their own.

    If God had wanted us together, he'd have put us all on the same continent.


    We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.
     
    Just represented in Congress. Was that worth keeping them housed and fed?

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    “Slavery was the original forced integration.”

    This is the combination of applying modern day societal standards with 20/20 hindsight.

    We can condemn the Europeans of the 17th century for bringing negroes to the US, but they too can condemn us equally for our country-wrecking belief that negroes can function by Western Civilization’s standards.

    At least those guys knew they were dealing with a different species. We think we’re so much smarter these days but we’re not.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mike Tre


    This is the combination of applying modern day societal standards with 20/20 hindsight.
     
    Funny, the imperial powers had the foresight not to unload those ships in their home countries. What did they know, and when? Australia finally got it right. If you're going to stock the land with criminals, make sure they're of your own race.

    At least the customer in this deal chose blond:


    Texas Woman Arrested After Allegedly Trying to Buy Walmart Shopper’s Son for $500,000 ‘Because She Wanted Him and She Was Going to Take Him’: Reports
  22. @obwandiyag
    I read in one place that in New York in the 1990s, 2000 people a year died, and now its 400.

    Then elsewhere I read that Philadelphia just passed its all time murder record.

    I think maybe everybody lies all the time.

    Except me. I'm just being lied to.

    Replies: @Marquis, @lavoisier, @Jack D, @Boo Alcindor

    Whatever the number is, you can be sure that blacks are way over represented in the crime statistics–whether in 1950 or today.

    Black criminality is a disgrace and all the excuses in the world cannot change that fact.

  23. @Goatweed
    Have the number Brianna Kupfer murders increased while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Sean, @George, @BB753, @Brit

    She said on the the phone to a friend just before she died that she was getting weird vibes from a someone that had cape into the luxury furniture store. He was relalising no one else was there. She knew he was not a paying customer. Although she was working alone she was scared to act like a Karen and died as a result. Why would she even agree to working there when anyone could walk in and they’d be the only people there. Not like the place was busy she was found by the next customer 20 minutes later .

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Sean

    When the local city was experiencing vibrancy back in the day, there were a rash of attacks on lone female employees. Became standard practice to have at least two in a store; another one of those diversity strengths we get to enjoy.

  24. I just had a substantive post eaten and I’m not going to try to completely recreate it, but:
    Estimates of total “classic” lynching (which normally come from black advocacy groups [like the Tuskegee Institite, the Equal Justice Initiative, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, etc] and are probably weighted to favor counting lynchings which look like their reason for being) hover between 3,750 and 4,804, with several of the more established and respectable ones at 4,700ish. Let’s call that 5,000.
    Chicago in 2021 had 836 murders (CPD via City Journal).
    Going to the chart at top and excluding traffic deaths, we get to 4,747 by the end of August, 2019.
    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
    ———–
    Also there was a sociologist named Raper (kek) who selected a set of 100 lynchings with good information and concluded that the “victim” was normally guilty (kek).

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @J.Ross

    I remember reading, courtesy of the Tuskeegee Institute, that (from memory) something like 8 blacks were lynched during the entire decade of the 1950's. That's a slow weekend in Baltimore or Chicago today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Ron Mexico
    @J.Ross

    Lynchings "hover between 3,750 and 4,804"

    1/3 of that total were browns, mostly Mexican and some Indian. Whites, too, were lynched out West.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
     
    Isn’t that total homicides, not the BLM-excess ones?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  25. @Goatweed
    Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Kronos, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    “Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?”

    Didn’t Steve report that white homicide victims were up 21%, and Asian victims up 1%?

    Don’t know about the perps, but I could make an educated guess.

    (BTW this is when I really miss on Unz a sane or at least alternative view of what’s going on re Ukraine. Pity Mr Karlin’s no longer here)

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not all of us miss him

  26. This chart and BLM make more sense when you realize BLM’s purpose has nothing to do with helping Blacks, and everything to do with denigrating Whites, White culture and White hostory. And Power for an elite few.

  27. OT
    the comfiest happening ever
    Braindead US President, Mujihadeen in Afghanistan, American failure in the desert, ugly clothing, urban crime, expensive gas and groceries, Russia emboldened, China releasing diseases, commie olympics, and the music sucks. If we have to be in the mid to late seventies, let’s have a nice cruise ship disaster movie.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2022/01/22/crystal-cruises-arrest-warrant-unpaid-bills/6621793001/
    https://archive.is/wip/zH2ru
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    ausanon:
    >can’t pay fuel bills
    >can’t go home
    >well, might as well
    >sail around the world for years living off of other cruise ships and raiding ports
    >the world fears the crystal symphony

  28. I really don’t like how coarsened I’ve become, but I just can’t bring myself to care any longer.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @JMcG


    I really don’t like how coarsened I’ve become, but I just can’t bring myself to care any longer.
     
    That's an easy conclusion to reach, but it's based on a false premise - namely, that becoming inured to an ever-growing amount of information about people you will never meet, is the same as being 'coarsened'.

    I might be wrong, but my guess would be that you haven't lost a single iota of care for people in the closest of a set of widening 'circles of giving a fuck' as outlined by Hierocles (at least as recounted by Stobaeus in Florilegium) - as reproduced on Reddit.

    https://i.redd.it/z5zl3bpkni501.jpg

    My second guess would be that most sensible people would consider your set of circles appropriate in both size and scope.

    We would all collapse in a gibbering heap if we tried to care the same amount about an arbitrary person who was on the receiving end of a random act of violence - say, Brianna Kupfer - as we cared if the same thing had happened to someone at 1°KB (one degree of Kevin Bacon - i.e., a friend of a friend), let alone at 0°KB (someone you know personally).

    I take things further - inside 0°KB there's a 'core' - genetically-related plus The Lovely (together, 'family'); then close friends; then direct acquaintances and work colleagues.

    My rough rule of thumb is that for each °KB outside 0°KB it takes an order of magnitude for a death to elicit the same approximate emotional response - and past 3°KB it's just noise at an individual level.

    So it would take ~10⁵ Brianna Kupfers to make me as sad as it would if I knew Brianna Kupfer personally.

    If Brianna Kupfer was my mother, sister, daughter or partner, entirely different.

    It would take about 100 deaths of people I know at one remove, to elicit the same response as the death of my parents, or siblings, or The Lovely.

    "Should we shoot your parents, or 200 your friends' friends" is not a hard question - 200 people are gonna die and I'm going to feel less bad than I would otherwise.

    "If you don't kill your cat, a black man will stab a white girl somewhere in the US in five minutes." - sorry, unknown girl, you're fucked.

    Makes me sound like a sociopath, but imagine how dysfunctional people would be if they treated every earthquake, hurricane, tsunami, or murder victim, as if it was their kin. We would get nothing done because we would be in tears most days.

    We live in a time of emotional amplification: we get to see horrible shit (and heart-warming shit too) from all corners of the Earth in pretty-much real time. That hasn't been the case for most of human history: we might hear about some atrocity (or some natural disaster) six months after it happened, if at all.

    If we don't compartmentalise that shit, we wind up unable to cope.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  29. I live and work in a majority black city. Due to my job I listen to many blacks, male and female. Bottom line, crime is NOT an issue. Way down from sports, capeshit movies, and family drama.

  30. Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?

    It looks that way. But what’s missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren’t going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn’t seem terribly plausible that you wouldn’t get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don’t show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    • Replies: @Unit472
    @Hypnotoad666

    Police stopped their patrolling of negro areas due to political orders from city councils and mayors, budget cuts and manpower shortages. Marshal Dillon wasn't at the Long Branch saloon keeping an eye on things.

    , @Paco Wové
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Even in the age of Floyd it doesn’t seem terribly plausible that you wouldn’t get prosecuted for murdering another black."

    Maybe, maybe not:
    U.S. Murder Clearance Rates Among Lowest in the World

    , @MM
    @Hypnotoad666

    "But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don’t show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks."

    Well, in Britain the police have just not been recording a lot of crimes to ensure they meet targets.

    That's for old fashioned things like theft, assault, etc. Those have given way to statistics recorded on things like "online hate crimes" (mean tweets between bored unemployed teens).

    , @bomag
    @Hypnotoad666

    I suspect other crime has gone up. Famously, the riot crimes of 2020 were largely left out of property crime stats.

    As for the increase in murders, I'm thinking of it as the Topkapi effect: the media wails and gnashes that a ruling royalty has passed away, so the Sultan's family ramps up the internecine death struggle to be the one left standing who gets the throne.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Hypnotoad666

    "... You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don’t show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks."

    Sometimes the percentage increase will be larger for the rarer cases. Suppose for example you raised everybody's IQ by 1 point. Then the percentage increase in the number of people with IQ over 140 would be more than the percentage increase in the number of people with IQ over 130.

    "Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?"

    The message is the police and by extension the laws they are enforcing are illegitimate and don't have to be obeyed. So if you want to kill somebody the fact that it is illegal is less of a restraining factor. Also a lot of these killings are probably revenge or retaliation. Which increase when the state is seen as weak and ineffective.

  31. @Michelle
    Exactly what happened in the 1960's
    After Blacks finally gained "Civil Rights" and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass! While the leftists suffered no consequences from checking out of society and returning to it whenever they felt like it, the Black man is still unable to recover from the damage caused, and still being caused, by dissatisfied white people who use Blacks as the vanguard of their discontent.

    Replies: @Kronos, @AceDeuce

    After Blacks finally gained “Civil Rights” and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass!

    Sorry, no. It’s not the White liberals’ fault. This is how negroes act. Why is there a compulsion to make excuses for groids?

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

  32. @Hypnotoad666

    Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?
     
    It looks that way. But what's missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren't going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn't seem terribly plausible that you wouldn't get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don't show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    Replies: @Unit472, @Paco Wové, @MM, @bomag, @James B. Shearer

    Police stopped their patrolling of negro areas due to political orders from city councils and mayors, budget cuts and manpower shortages. Marshal Dillon wasn’t at the Long Branch saloon keeping an eye on things.

  33. Thanks, Steve. No hidden figures here.

    These stats are fundamental to BLM. Every Tra’Shavious who feels dissed by any da’SHawnian must settle the matter of his (Tra’Shavious’s) Black life’s mattering by hosing down da’SHawnian and his crew. For the same reason, there will be return fire. 168 brass casings, 23 people shot, 3 killed, perps all flee, nobody saw nuthin’.
    Not seeing anything is also central to Black Lives Mattering.

  34. @Kronos
    @Goatweed

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    https://i.imgflip.com/4c2gbs.jpg

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Sean, @Clyde, @jsm

    My God. Please spoiler that kind of shit.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  35. @Goatweed
    Have the number Brianna Kupfer murders increased while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Sean, @George, @BB753, @Brit

    “Brianna Kupfer murders”

    In a just world white women would be murdered by homeless white men.

    Man charged with murder after allegedly beating woman to death with pipes in Old City office: Police

    Police say the woman was struck at least five times in the head while sitting with her back turned in a reception area.

    https://6abc.com/old-city-murder-philadelphia-beating-jeffery-stepien-samantha-maag/11491657/

  36. @Hypnotoad666

    Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?
     
    It looks that way. But what's missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren't going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn't seem terribly plausible that you wouldn't get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don't show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    Replies: @Unit472, @Paco Wové, @MM, @bomag, @James B. Shearer

    “Even in the age of Floyd it doesn’t seem terribly plausible that you wouldn’t get prosecuted for murdering another black.”

    Maybe, maybe not:
    U.S. Murder Clearance Rates Among Lowest in the World

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  37. It’s a small price to pay … for three multi-million dollar houses.

  38. @Hypnotoad666

    Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?
     
    It looks that way. But what's missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren't going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn't seem terribly plausible that you wouldn't get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don't show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    Replies: @Unit472, @Paco Wové, @MM, @bomag, @James B. Shearer

    “But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don’t show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.”

    Well, in Britain the police have just not been recording a lot of crimes to ensure they meet targets.

    That’s for old fashioned things like theft, assault, etc. Those have given way to statistics recorded on things like “online hate crimes” (mean tweets between bored unemployed teens).

  39. Something that has struck me as odd is the way that almost as soon as the pandemic started, every single state health department put up a very slick, user friendly website documenting the covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, breaking them down by age, race, etc. and updating the totals daily.

    As far as I can tell, no government agencies do this for any other thing, such as crime, drug overdoses, traffic deaths, etc.

    Government numbers are usually posted after a long lag (if at all) and are typically not in an easy to digest format.

    I have two questions, (1) what was the mechanism that was put in place to allow all the state health departments to put up the covid tracker sites so quickly and in such a uniform fashion, and (2) now that we know it can be done, why couldn’t there be something similar for all government statistics?

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Cortes
    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @James Braxton

    That sort of thing happens all the time. You realize they're perfectly capable of sudden bouts of competence - when it's in their favour.

    E.g. you could do it yourself. Scrape the stats off the government website, reformat it to be readable, and slap some ads around it to pay yourself for the time and effort.

    Guess how long until the IRS audits you all of a sudden. Probably measured in seconds. Which is why it hasn't already been done; I'm not the only one to know what would happen.

    When it comes time to get paid, all of a sudden, for both drug-addled street bums and the government, there's no bumbling. The focus is razor lasers. Or laser razors, not 100% clear on that one.

  40. No one cares, least of all blacks.

  41. @Kronos
    @Michelle

    In many ways black crime helped form Neoconservatism. Neocons like Irving Kristol had their childhood neighborhoods tactically nuked by black crime. Which pushed them away from standard liberalism. The neighborhood may still might be “radioactive” to this day. I think it was Kristol who commented that he’d never return to his old high school unless he had a police escort of 11 or 12 police cruisers. (The school at the time was entirely black by the 1980s and wanted him to visit to show the kids an example of a successful graduate.)

    Replies: @Arclight, @Marquis, @John Milton’s Ghost

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren’t coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it’s clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’ and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don’t let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city’s efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    @Arclight


    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it’s clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’
     
    If anyone 'deserves' to be murdered it's the Whites and (((fellow whites ))) who enabled and encouraged feral orcs.
    , @Kronos
    @Arclight

    One of my favorite aspects of the first “Death Wish” film is the dialog amongst Charles Bronson‘s business colleagues. Some possess reactionary pushback sympathies while others are your bleeding heart liberal BLMers.

    https://youtu.be/AhYlu6MCAPY

    Imagine saying what this woman did at a fancy business party in 2022 New York. “Yeah more blacks are getting shot because more muggers are black.”

    https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Everyone-Looking-At-You.jpg

    , @bomag
    @Arclight


    We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics.
     
    I'd like to agree, but we've had plenty of evidence for quite a while, and the Left continues with their holiness spiral.

    Their medicine hasn't worked; it has made things worse; their response is to prescribe an even larger dose.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @PaceLaw
    @Arclight

    “ . . . it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’ and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve.”

    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.

    https://www.lawofficer.com/baltimore-violence-interrupter-killed-in-quadruple-shooting/

    Replies: @Arclight, @Johann Ricke

    , @guest007
    @Arclight

    Retail in the U.S. is massively overbuilt and the U.S. is tearing down malls, big box centers, and strip centers. The pandemic has taught the U.S. that there is a massive oversupply of office space. There are no central files, photocopier, or office equipment that requires one's physical presence at an office. Unless one is going to be in long meetings, what is the point of going to the office?

    , @Flip
    @Arclight

    Even white New Yorkers were eventually willing to vote for Giuliani.

  42. @Kronos
    @Goatweed

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    https://i.imgflip.com/4c2gbs.jpg

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Sean, @Clyde, @jsm

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the “Crazy Sal”

    Works for Jonah Hill

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Sean


    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.
     
    It may be fast, but it's almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast "doofus", "no sense", "low impulse control". "Low impulse control" is a warning, but not the same as "tough".

    "Low impulse control" stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey, @Danindc

    , @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Sean

    The guy behind him,isn't that the guy who played Mel Cooley?

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Sean

    Tattoos on nerds, women, skinny hipsters, fatsos, etc, are far too prevalent to mark anyone as "a man to be feared."

    Back before Gavin McInnes had been cancelled, he did an interview show and had Ann Coulter as one of his guests. When he told her his torso and arms were heavily tattooed, she responded, "Oh, did you not always have a high IQ?"

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Sean

    It used to be the case - back when tattooing was quite painful.

    Modern tattoo needles are much finer and so the 'ordeal' aspect is much much reduced.

    Today, having a tattoo only says "I once had at least $40 in available credit."

  43. @Goatweed
    Have the number Brianna Kupfer murders increased while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Sean, @George, @BB753, @Brit

    Newspapers say it was a random attack. Random as in ” stabbed to death for…reasons..”.

  44. 1,000% off topic, but does anyone know the easiest/best way to navigate Twitter on a PC? I don’t have an account with them.

    For example, I want to see all tweets where “steve_sailer” occurs, which should be his tweets, replies, and anyone copying him in (IMHO twitter doesn’t return everything, but that’s another issue, part of their soft muting of people they don’t like).

    So I can go to twitter, enter “steve_sailer” in the search box and hit enter, I get the results with the following in the URL.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live”

    So far so good. But if I want to click on one of the tweets – like the critical one from an Indian guy* “Indian academia & how we can outcompete the West” who is a fecal transplant guru, an area where India certainly has huge natural resources, I get this:

    And when I click on the “x” to get rid of it I’m back with the original steve_sailer results. The only way I can see Mr Aggarwala’s post is to ignore the “Don’t miss what’s happening” box, hit enter again, THEN click the “x” on the new “Don’t miss what’s happening” box.

    But it’s damn annoying – any way round this, or is it my browser (Brave?).

    *Aggarwala is a Hindu Baniya caste—communities traditionally involved in trade and commerce, and known for their business acumen. It’s the most common surname on Indian corporate boards.

    https://qz.com/india/669503/whats-an-indian-boardroom-without-an-agarwal-or-a-gupta/

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The Twitter sign-up blocking (that sends you back where you were) just started in the last few months. I guess their new account numbers had declined.

    , @Brutusale
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That started after the desi took over. I have an account and I never use it, but I do like to occasionally read tweets from people like Steve. It was never a problem until Jack Dorkey stepped down as CEO. Now they want you to log on. Fat chance.

    , @Prabhakaran
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You could perhaps search that specific user and see, otherwise perhaps look for an extension.

    The caste thing seems overanalysed in American right wing circles. Much like modern Western nations try and encourage diversity and affirmative action for minorities, India and presumably surrounding nations already have programs for the lower castes.

    On top of that if u believe in IQ hierarchy the behaviours and intelligence of the upper castes could exceed those of lower though I doubt it.

    I presume most second generation Indians don’t give caste a second look or even country and just stick to the brown identity.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Try Microsoft Edge. Brave does that to me, too. I just tried it on Edge & I could click on a tweet and not have that shit happen to me. That means that you'll have to cooperate with another techlord but you can't always get what you want.

    I don't know why Edge is less invasive in this regard but it seems to be so.

    You could sign up under a fake gmail account and not tweet.

  45. I don’t understand this. All the blacks I see in TV ads are nice suburbanites, driving their Volvos, Audis or Subarus as they head out to go camping, fly fishing and kayaking with their two children and a labradoodle. Hell, they are even featured in the Orvis and LL Bean catalogs that are mailed to my house. America has a perception problem. One that we are force fed and the other where reality exists. Stay safe.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, bomag, Arclight
    • Replies: @indocon
    @Buffalo Joe

    What was amazing is that even NASCAR season intro promo on Fox featured Bubba Wallace!

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Buffalo Joe


    I don’t understand this. All the blacks I see in TV ads are nice suburbanites, driving their Volvos, Audis or Subarus as they head out to go camping, fly fishing and kayaking with their two children and a labradoodle. Hell, they are even featured in the Orvis and LL Bean catalogs that are mailed to my house. America has a perception problem. One that we are force fed and the other where reality exists. Stay safe.
     
    I blame fake news. Why are TV ads and online catalogs telling us the truth, whereas journalists are feeding us fanciful tales of carnage?
  46. “Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?”

    No, the fact that a bunch of dishonest bureaucrats, politicians, and corporate executives have been able to use fear and threats to convince 300 million people that they must now all cover their faces indefinitely for their own good is the most obvious and revealing and universal phenomenon in the history of US social sciences.

    The Floyd Revolution is significant, but as far as social behavior goes, is mostly limited to the negroes.

  47. So again, let me see if I understand what I am reading: White and Hispanic homicide victims have been up over the last two years, just has black homicide victims have?

    Cities like Salt lake City, Mesa, Arizona, Albuquerque, Nm., El Paso, Tx, Spokane, Wa. Sacramento, Ca, etc., and as you yourself wrote, Sioux City, Sd. have all had all-time highs in murder, and most murder is still intra-racial, right?

    So when do you plan upon addressing this?

  48. Black Leaders Matter is off to a rip-roaring body-count start in NYC

  49. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it’s clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’

    If anyone ‘deserves’ to be murdered it’s the Whites and (((fellow whites ))) who enabled and encouraged feral orcs.

  50. Uh you guys do know that all official resources and government sources state that white supremacy and far right extremists cause the most violence don’t you?

  51. @Sean
    @Goatweed

    She said on the the phone to a friend just before she died that she was getting weird vibes from a someone that had cape into the luxury furniture store. He was relalising no one else was there. She knew he was not a paying customer. Although she was working alone she was scared to act like a Karen and died as a result. Why would she even agree to working there when anyone could walk in and they'd be the only people there. Not like the place was busy she was found by the next customer 20 minutes later .

    Replies: @bomag

    When the local city was experiencing vibrancy back in the day, there were a rash of attacks on lone female employees. Became standard practice to have at least two in a store; another one of those diversity strengths we get to enjoy.

  52. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    One of my favorite aspects of the first “Death Wish” film is the dialog amongst Charles Bronson‘s business colleagues. Some possess reactionary pushback sympathies while others are your bleeding heart liberal BLMers.

    Imagine saying what this woman did at a fancy business party in 2022 New York. “Yeah more blacks are getting shot because more muggers are black.”

  53. @Goatweed
    Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Kronos, @YetAnotherAnon, @bomag

    I’m sure if it had gone down, we’d hear all about it.

  54. George Floyd faked his death. April 13 the MPD issued a mandatory mask policy. Only one cop is wearing a mask. None of the bystanders were wearing masks. DC is supposed to be 5’9″, the DC in the video is at least 6’6″. DC’s next door neighbors didn’t know he is a cop and thought he was in real estate. GF’s lawyer said he died 3 years ago. GF is supposed to be 6′”6 but his casket was well under 6 feet long and it’s obvious it’s empty from the way they were dancing with it. There is a second video from across the street that doesn’t show the bystanders. The white traffic line is next to GF’s head in one video. In another it’s 2 feet from his head. In another video there are no traffic lines at all. When GF was put in the vehicle he had hair and didn’t when he got out. The body on the stretcher and in the casket had no legs because it was a C.P.R. Dummy manufactured by Sigma 7 company which just happened to burn to the ground due to ‘riots’. The cop on the video is definitely not the same person who is on trial.
    Try 153 News

  55. @Buffalo Joe
    I don't understand this. All the blacks I see in TV ads are nice suburbanites, driving their Volvos, Audis or Subarus as they head out to go camping, fly fishing and kayaking with their two children and a labradoodle. Hell, they are even featured in the Orvis and LL Bean catalogs that are mailed to my house. America has a perception problem. One that we are force fed and the other where reality exists. Stay safe.

    Replies: @indocon, @Johann Ricke

    What was amazing is that even NASCAR season intro promo on Fox featured Bubba Wallace!

  56. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm suddenly a fan of BLM.

    Joking.

    Not really.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jizmo, @magilla, @Jim Christian

    The only upside i can see is political as people react to the Democrat generated crime spree.

    But the direct impact–the culling itself–is too trivial to improve things.

    There really is no way around the fact that modern life is simply quite a bit safer and cushier than in the past, in that the result of that tends to be dysgenic. Eugenic policies–low and high: booting out criminals, and requiring zero-fertility in return for welfare and encouragement and incentives for healthy and productive young couple to have children–is necessary to avoid dystopia.

    Serious nations that figure that out will win the future.

    • Agree: Kronos, Matthew Kelly
    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @AnotherDad


    Serious nations that figure that out will win the future.
     
    I think nations have figured this out in the past, but they were bombed into submission. I think the larger problem is figuring out how to implement pro-eugenic policies without attracting the Eye of Sauron.
  57. @Hypnotoad666

    Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?
     
    It looks that way. But what's missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren't going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn't seem terribly plausible that you wouldn't get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don't show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    Replies: @Unit472, @Paco Wové, @MM, @bomag, @James B. Shearer

    I suspect other crime has gone up. Famously, the riot crimes of 2020 were largely left out of property crime stats.

    As for the increase in murders, I’m thinking of it as the Topkapi effect: the media wails and gnashes that a ruling royalty has passed away, so the Sultan’s family ramps up the internecine death struggle to be the one left standing who gets the throne.

  58. @obwandiyag
    I read in one place that in New York in the 1990s, 2000 people a year died, and now its 400.

    Then elsewhere I read that Philadelphia just passed its all time murder record.

    I think maybe everybody lies all the time.

    Except me. I'm just being lied to.

    Replies: @Marquis, @lavoisier, @Jack D, @Boo Alcindor

    Everything you just said is true. There is a lot of fuzz in crime statistics in general but murders are fairly well recorded, such that you can rely on them as a proxy for overall crime. If the DA wants to start counting armed robbery as a misdemeanor so that the # of armed robberies doesn’t go up, he can do that but it’s hard to reinterpret a dead body with a bullet hole in it as something other than a homicide.

    The only real fuzz is that hospitals have gotten really good at treating gunshot wounds so that many shots that would have been fatal is the past are now survivable.

    • Agree: Cato
  59. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics.

    I’d like to agree, but we’ve had plenty of evidence for quite a while, and the Left continues with their holiness spiral.

    Their medicine hasn’t worked; it has made things worse; their response is to prescribe an even larger dose.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @bomag

    The worm will turn, just like it did in the early 90s - it got so bad that black Members of Congress were proposing tougher law enforcement because their own constituents were howling for it. The current insanity is a product of white progressives and black activists that are far downstream from the primary effects of this lunacy. However, it will eventually sink in to them too as they find themselves avoiding larger and larger parts of the places they inhabit as the disorder spreads.

    But between now and then are years and thousands of bodies, and rest assured the perpetrators of this madness will never be held to account.

    Replies: @Alden

  60. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    “ . . . it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’ and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve.”

    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.

    https://www.lawofficer.com/baltimore-violence-interrupter-killed-in-quadruple-shooting/

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @PaceLaw

    I read about that. My city shattered its previous homicide total and our mayor and council decided to blow the bulk of its federal money from 2021 on violence interrupters and grants to non-profits with a track record of doing nothing rather than on actual cops and policing.

    As you noted, the entire point is to provide make-work employment opportunities administered by non-profits that would immediately go under if not for grants of public money. The entire BLM effect of the last 2 years is that small NFPs that no one paid attention to are suddenly flush with money and invited to participate in various political dog and pony shows.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @PaceLaw


    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.
     
    Many of these people are "former" gang members. Since there's no real way of verifying this "former" status, short of Cheka-like tactics involving wiretaps and round-the-clock surveillance, my guess is many of them are current drug dealers moonlighting as federal contractors. It would not be surprising if the dead "violence interrupter" died during a drug deal interrupted by the usual double-dealing.
  61. O/T. The carrier Truman and its strike group (5 missile destroyers, 1 missile cruiser) have deployed to the Mediterranean. Supposedly an exercise was pre-planned. But when Kirby was asked if the pre-planned exercise was modified due to recent events, he said he did not have access to that “detail.” According to Navy Times, Norway is sending a frigate; when Norway gets involved, as Steve would say, uh oh. I am only a nobody but I worry we are wagging the dog a bit too hard just to increase presidential poll numbers; rallying around the president at times of international confrontation, or worse.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @SafeNow


    According to Navy Times, Norway is sending a frigate; when Norway gets involved, as Steve would say, uh oh.
     
    Uh-oh is right. Don't get in the lady's way (Hi, Dave Pinsen)!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-01-21/too-many-women-wrong-places
  62. OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

    The bizarro retconning of Hitler’s–and the Japanese military’s–imperialist war into “nationalism bad” has been a disaster for better, clearer thinking about stability, a disaster for peace. A system of nationalism where we all respect other peoples’ nationalism is the one system that can peacefully scale.

    Propounding that sane ideology instead of forcing globohomo rainbow faggism down everyone’s throat and we might actually see progress toward a more stable and peaceful world.

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don’t want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea–the German admiral is of course correct–but that’s fine.

    Such a policy–vote and move–could have spared a lot of nonsense in Northern Ireland.

    I’m personally ready to get on with the vote here. I think the vote right here in my little patch of Florida will mean i can stay and keep the house. (I should be permanently “retired” before the rising sea level reclaims the pool, then living room.)

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Redman
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

     

    AD: it's common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message - why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it's an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @JMcG, @William Badwhite

    , @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don’t want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea–the German admiral is of course correct–but that’s fine.

    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they've already seized. Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin's comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They're not interested in your deal.


    The Russian government's latest lout move is summarized here:

    https://gazette.com/news/nato-shoots-down-russian-ultimatum-as-dispute-flares-after-blinken-lavrov-meeting/article_4dfedc3d-6ee7-567d-836f-45b60b5369a1.html

    The result of which is that Sweden and Finland are now considering NATO membership.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer

  63. @Sean
    @Kronos

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the "Crazy Sal"

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/8ae764ff836a1f46815be26059c7270f/tumblr_nj6ejrpegO1s78t68o1_500.jpg

    Works for Jonah Hill

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Harry Baldwin, @Kratoklastes

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.

    It may be fast, but it’s almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast “doofus”, “no sense”, “low impulse control”. “Low impulse control” is a warning, but not the same as “tough”.

    “Low impulse control” stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @AnotherDad


    looking tough
     
    I vote for a loping gait.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Tattoos now just broadcast “doofus”, “no sense”, “low impulse control”.
     
    I just watched a very good short documentary on the Coast Guard's search-and-rescue methods. While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    But for "doofus", you can't beat these two jackeens in County Carlow who tried to pull a Weekend at Bernie's in real life:

    Foul play ruled out in death of pensioner taken to Carlow post office— Gardaí trying to establish if Peader Doyle was dead before being brought to collect pension

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bubba

    , @Wilkey
    @AnotherDad

    One reason (some) men with tattoos are feared is not because tattoos make them look strong, but because tats make them look irrational. An irrational person might just do any insane old thing, and usually has a lot less to lose.

    Women with tats are feared mostly because they’re more likely to have STDs.

    , @Danindc
    @AnotherDad

    Low class without a doubt.

  64. @Kronos
    @Michelle

    In many ways black crime helped form Neoconservatism. Neocons like Irving Kristol had their childhood neighborhoods tactically nuked by black crime. Which pushed them away from standard liberalism. The neighborhood may still might be “radioactive” to this day. I think it was Kristol who commented that he’d never return to his old high school unless he had a police escort of 11 or 12 police cruisers. (The school at the time was entirely black by the 1980s and wanted him to visit to show the kids an example of a successful graduate.)

    Replies: @Arclight, @Marquis, @John Milton’s Ghost

    You’ll see a similar dynamic with liberals who hate the covid authoritarianism. They’re saying they’ll support republicans next election. But they still carry all their old beliefs that lead them to elect the lefty authoritarians they now hate. It’ll carry over to primaries as they’d never vote for a staunch pro life, or the like, candidate.

    It’ll be the new class of neocons.

  65. @Hypnotoad666

    Is the Floyd Effect the most obvious phenomenon in the history of American social sciences?
     
    It looks that way. But what's missing is the mechanism of the effect.

    Was it the perception that the police weren't going to enforce laws anymore against blacks? Even in the age of Floyd it doesn't seem terribly plausible that you wouldn't get prosecuted for murdering another black. You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don't show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.

    Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?

    Replies: @Unit472, @Paco Wové, @MM, @bomag, @James B. Shearer

    “… You would think lower level crimes would have gone up far more than murder. But crime statistics (if they are to be believed), don’t show anything like the same surge in other crimes by blacks.”

    Sometimes the percentage increase will be larger for the rarer cases. Suppose for example you raised everybody’s IQ by 1 point. Then the percentage increase in the number of people with IQ over 140 would be more than the percentage increase in the number of people with IQ over 130.

    “Was the murder surge caused by some psychological effect from the media telling blacks non-stop how great they are and how oppressive white people are? Why would that message cause them to go out and murder another black guy?”

    The message is the police and by extension the laws they are enforcing are illegitimate and don’t have to be obeyed. So if you want to kill somebody the fact that it is illegal is less of a restraining factor. Also a lot of these killings are probably revenge or retaliation. Which increase when the state is seen as weak and ineffective.

  66. @Kronos
    @Michelle

    In many ways black crime helped form Neoconservatism. Neocons like Irving Kristol had their childhood neighborhoods tactically nuked by black crime. Which pushed them away from standard liberalism. The neighborhood may still might be “radioactive” to this day. I think it was Kristol who commented that he’d never return to his old high school unless he had a police escort of 11 or 12 police cruisers. (The school at the time was entirely black by the 1980s and wanted him to visit to show the kids an example of a successful graduate.)

    Replies: @Arclight, @Marquis, @John Milton’s Ghost

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    America needed Neoconservatives to be “mugged by reality” to create a political coalition that would stop rotten leftism, but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    They did not take over the right and the Rockford Institute was the nerve center of a sect which could claim no more than seven members of Congress and a subscriber list with 20,000 names on it before Thos. Fleming turned their magazine into a cheerleading section for bloody-minded Serb nationalists. There were never any 'effective palaeocons'. You had Pat Buchanan, who was as a political candidate as evanescent as Rick Santorum.

    Replies: @Tony W, @HammerJack

    , @Wilkey
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.
     
    We also let them turn the church building into a synagogue.

    (Sorry, just too good a comment to pass up.)
    , @Kronos
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    I forgot about the “mugged by reality” quote! 😂

  67. @AnotherDad
    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

    The bizarro retconning of Hitler's--and the Japanese military's--imperialist war into "nationalism bad" has been a disaster for better, clearer thinking about stability, a disaster for peace. A system of nationalism where we all respect other peoples' nationalism is the one system that can peacefully scale.

    Propounding that sane ideology instead of forcing globohomo rainbow faggism down everyone's throat and we might actually see progress toward a more stable and peaceful world.

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don't want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea--the German admiral is of course correct--but that's fine.

    Such a policy--vote and move--could have spared a lot of nonsense in Northern Ireland.

    I'm personally ready to get on with the vote here. I think the vote right here in my little patch of Florida will mean i can stay and keep the house. (I should be permanently "retired" before the rising sea level reclaims the pool, then living room.)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

    AD: it’s common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    I agree that if it is some obscure story in an obscure journal, it's nice to include a link but this has been all over the news.

    Type "German navy chief resigns" and you'll get millions of links.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    AD: it’s common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.
     
    You're right PW. I'm sometimes thinking "where's the link" when someone posts something that might be interesting.

    I hadn't just because i just had whatever blabbing Microsoft was feeding me and figured everyone else had their own news feeds with similar stories. (I live with whatever Microsoft tosses over the fence and go to Steve to get the real news from him and his commenters.)

    I think the original story they gave me was from Newsweek
    -- then this from The Week
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-who-said-nato-should-give-putin-the-respect-he-demands-resigns/ar-AAT3UQw?ocid=msedgntp
    -- now they're giving me this from Deutsche Welle
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-under-fire-for-putin-crimea-comments/ar-AAT2B4T?ocid=msedgntp

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  68. @AnotherDad
    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

    The bizarro retconning of Hitler's--and the Japanese military's--imperialist war into "nationalism bad" has been a disaster for better, clearer thinking about stability, a disaster for peace. A system of nationalism where we all respect other peoples' nationalism is the one system that can peacefully scale.

    Propounding that sane ideology instead of forcing globohomo rainbow faggism down everyone's throat and we might actually see progress toward a more stable and peaceful world.

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don't want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea--the German admiral is of course correct--but that's fine.

    Such a policy--vote and move--could have spared a lot of nonsense in Northern Ireland.

    I'm personally ready to get on with the vote here. I think the vote right here in my little patch of Florida will mean i can stay and keep the house. (I should be permanently "retired" before the rising sea level reclaims the pool, then living room.)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message – why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it’s an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not).

    I think that's more Zhirinovsky's shtick than Putin's, but the most recent set of diplomatic demands is suggestive.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Comparing Crimea to the East Block is ridiculous. Crimea isn't Estonia or Poland, it's a little spit of land that's been part of Russia on and off for centuries. It's populated mostly by Russians. Russia has as much right to "invade" it as Israel has the West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

    Fresh off its humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, the US is picking a fight with a nuclear-armed power over a useless borderland (that's what "the Ukraine" means) which was once a part of historic Russia. NATO should never have been expanded period - to include Ukraine is doubly insane.

    We're wrong. The Russians are right. It's that simple.

    https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

    Replies: @Jack D, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    What exactly did we do in the former Yugoslavia except allow European borders to be drawn by force? NATO force, to be exact.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Putin Clinton violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force.
     
    You were of course referring to Kosovo. FIFY.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again?
     
    Why not Poland, why not Canada, then Australia! So far Russian "aggression" has been within the borders of the former USSR (the existence of which was in itself a monstrous crime) and in areas dominated by ethnic Russians. Wake me up when Putin goes beyond that.

    We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs
     
    Do let us know which armed service you join.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  69. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

     

    AD: it's common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    I agree that if it is some obscure story in an obscure journal, it’s nice to include a link but this has been all over the news.

    Type “German navy chief resigns” and you’ll get millions of links.

  70. Increase in May 2019, then again in May 2020, as summer approaches, people hang out outdoors.

    Drop in the winter months as people stay indoors more.

    Here’s a situation where specific neighborhood lockdowns would be effective in reducing mortality.

  71. Looking forward to “Black Lives Matter’s Bloody Toll on White People”.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Dennis Dale

    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs. Perhaps WFH will change some of that, but the results so far aren’t all that promising.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @Reg Cæsar

  72. @AnotherDad
    @Sean


    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.
     
    It may be fast, but it's almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast "doofus", "no sense", "low impulse control". "Low impulse control" is a warning, but not the same as "tough".

    "Low impulse control" stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey, @Danindc

    looking tough

    I vote for a loping gait.

  73. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Kronos

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    America needed Neoconservatives to be “mugged by reality” to create a political coalition that would stop rotten leftism, but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Wilkey, @Kronos

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    They did not take over the right and the Rockford Institute was the nerve center of a sect which could claim no more than seven members of Congress and a subscriber list with 20,000 names on it before Thos. Fleming turned their magazine into a cheerleading section for bloody-minded Serb nationalists. There were never any ‘effective palaeocons’. You had Pat Buchanan, who was as a political candidate as evanescent as Rick Santorum.

    • Replies: @Tony W
    @Art Deco

    And I believe you are an advocate for drug-running, sex-trafficking Muslim Albanians. US foreign policy in the Balkans was driven by the requirements of the Israel-first US foreign policy. We warred on Iraq, Syria and Libya. We strangle Iran and the Palestinians with economic sanctions, but see, we are not anti-Muslim- because we side with them against Christian Serbs! Orthodox Churches are burned to the ground, Christians are murdered, raped and robbed, and the American interest is not advanced in the least. But hey, it's good for Israel, and therefore, good enough for American politicians.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @HammerJack
    @Art Deco

    As you should know, Patrick Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  74. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad


    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

     

    AD: it's common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    AD: it’s common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.

    You’re right PW. I’m sometimes thinking “where’s the link” when someone posts something that might be interesting.

    I hadn’t just because i just had whatever blabbing Microsoft was feeding me and figured everyone else had their own news feeds with similar stories. (I live with whatever Microsoft tosses over the fence and go to Steve to get the real news from him and his commenters.)

    I think the original story they gave me was from Newsweek
    — then this from The Week
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-who-said-nato-should-give-putin-the-respect-he-demands-resigns/ar-AAT3UQw?ocid=msedgntp
    — now they’re giving me this from Deutsche Welle
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-under-fire-for-putin-crimea-comments/ar-AAT2B4T?ocid=msedgntp

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for not taking offense. None meant - believe it or not, I had not heard of this German admiral or his quotation. And yes, I did look it up myself. But thanks for the links.

    So let's talk about this admiral. He said the quiet part out loud and got canned. Are there more like him? I think so.

    Darren Beattie is all over the Nordstream2 thing. He says it will go ahead. And here's a link!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/nord-stream-2-is-a-major-item-of-leverage-against-russia-ex-german-ambassador.html

    What say you? I say it will.

    [BTW did you know there's an easy way to google anything if you have a mouse? Just highlight the text and right click. There will be an option for: "Search for Google, etc." Not sure if this works for non-Google engines. It's been a lifesaver for me.]

    Replies: @Jack D

  75. @AnotherDad
    OT: German admiral says obvious true things about Putin and Crimea and is forced to resign.

    The bizarro retconning of Hitler's--and the Japanese military's--imperialist war into "nationalism bad" has been a disaster for better, clearer thinking about stability, a disaster for peace. A system of nationalism where we all respect other peoples' nationalism is the one system that can peacefully scale.

    Propounding that sane ideology instead of forcing globohomo rainbow faggism down everyone's throat and we might actually see progress toward a more stable and peaceful world.

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don't want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea--the German admiral is of course correct--but that's fine.

    Such a policy--vote and move--could have spared a lot of nonsense in Northern Ireland.

    I'm personally ready to get on with the vote here. I think the vote right here in my little patch of Florida will mean i can stay and keep the house. (I should be permanently "retired" before the rising sea level reclaims the pool, then living room.)

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don’t want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea–the German admiral is of course correct–but that’s fine.

    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they’ve already seized. Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin’s comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They’re not interested in your deal.

    The Russian government’s latest lout move is summarized here:

    https://gazette.com/news/nato-shoots-down-russian-ultimatum-as-dispute-flares-after-blinken-lavrov-meeting/article_4dfedc3d-6ee7-567d-836f-45b60b5369a1.html

    The result of which is that Sweden and Finland are now considering NATO membership.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they’ve already seized.
     
    Agree.

    ... Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin’s comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They’re not interested in your deal.
     
    Agree. They are "assholes".

    People who insist that other people--who are not interested--must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.

    If people don't want to be part of your deal ... take it as a hint.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Brutusale

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    You do realize that you're on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

  76. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message - why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it's an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @JMcG, @William Badwhite

    Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not).

    I think that’s more Zhirinovsky’s shtick than Putin’s, but the most recent set of diplomatic demands is suggestive.

  77. @SafeNow
    So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier. The Ferguson effect did that, I guess. But what if there is more at work than the Ferguson effect? In other words, when you tell black people that they really really matter, they are so great, they go out and do other things differently. All sorts of things. I guess this is like giving a participation trophy to all of the child athletes, in other words, telling the last-place runners how great they are. How does this affect them?

    Replies: @Element59, @Nicholas Stix, @jsm

    “So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier.”

    This harkens to my personal hypothesis, that in an advanced industrialized society with a sub-population of such a highly r-Selected group (Sub-Saharan Africans), once the external (environmental) pressures on public conduct are weakened (ending formal segregation, relaxing enforcement of white social norms of behavior), the innate impulses and drives of the sub-population become more unconstrained. Therefore, the worst innate attributes of the group rapidly manifest and begins a runaway feedback loop of dysfunctional group behavior.

    What’s happened in America since Feguson and Floyd has resulted in rapidly accelerating this process of runaway sub-group dysfunction – and we see it in the data here. It can only be reigned-in by reverting back to enforcing firm standards of public behavior and of re-setting scholastic academic standards that apply equally to all – regardless of any disparate impact. This is just the starting points to work from. Eliminating any and all racial preferences, quotas, diversity promotion programs etc., would be the next step. But I dream on…

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Element59

    I'd wager that a majority of the electorate would spring for a tough-daddy leader who declares: "Enough of these clown-car antics." One who speaks persuasively and forcefully about tradional American values and why they're actually good for everyone. Discipline, integrity, and hard work, for example.

    But—as you imply—not only is there no one like that on the national political scene, our current system appears to have been reconfigured to prevent anyone like that from attaining high office. Perhaps forever.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  78. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    Retail in the U.S. is massively overbuilt and the U.S. is tearing down malls, big box centers, and strip centers. The pandemic has taught the U.S. that there is a massive oversupply of office space. There are no central files, photocopier, or office equipment that requires one’s physical presence at an office. Unless one is going to be in long meetings, what is the point of going to the office?

  79. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm suddenly a fan of BLM.

    Joking.

    Not really.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jizmo, @magilla, @Jim Christian

    Shouldn’t that be homey-cide?

    • LOL: Matthew Kelly
  80. @Kronos
    @Goatweed

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    https://i.imgflip.com/4c2gbs.jpg

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Sean, @Clyde, @jsm

    Is that a dead city hipster or a live one?

    • LOL: Matthew Kelly
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Clyde

    Like gender, it’s a spectrum with these people. A lot of these kids grew up emasculated because they were put on vegan/soy diets since they were born. Mom and dad were so focused on helping Bono feed Africa they forgot to feed their damn kids.

  81. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    AD: it’s common courtesy to add links to things like this on comment threads.
     
    You're right PW. I'm sometimes thinking "where's the link" when someone posts something that might be interesting.

    I hadn't just because i just had whatever blabbing Microsoft was feeding me and figured everyone else had their own news feeds with similar stories. (I live with whatever Microsoft tosses over the fence and go to Steve to get the real news from him and his commenters.)

    I think the original story they gave me was from Newsweek
    -- then this from The Week
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-who-said-nato-should-give-putin-the-respect-he-demands-resigns/ar-AAT3UQw?ocid=msedgntp
    -- now they're giving me this from Deutsche Welle
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/german-navy-chief-under-fire-for-putin-crimea-comments/ar-AAT2B4T?ocid=msedgntp

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Thanks for not taking offense. None meant – believe it or not, I had not heard of this German admiral or his quotation. And yes, I did look it up myself. But thanks for the links.

    So let’s talk about this admiral. He said the quiet part out loud and got canned. Are there more like him? I think so.

    Darren Beattie is all over the Nordstream2 thing. He says it will go ahead. And here’s a link!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/nord-stream-2-is-a-major-item-of-leverage-against-russia-ex-german-ambassador.html

    What say you? I say it will.

    [BTW did you know there’s an easy way to google anything if you have a mouse? Just highlight the text and right click. There will be an option for: “Search for Google, etc.” Not sure if this works for non-Google engines. It’s been a lifesaver for me.]

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Nordstream is kind of like the old joke (adjusted for inflation) that if you owe the bank a million $ then then bank owns you but if you owe the bank $100 million then you own the bank. It's like a game of chicken - do the Russian need the European $ more that the Europeans need Russian gas?

    The Germans are obviously quite reluctant to get dragged into this but if the Russians go too far then they are not really going to have a choice. If (and this is what Joe was getting at the other day) Putin just bites off a few little chunks then they might be able to get away with not shutting down Nordstream. They will put ineffective sanctions on Putin's chauffeur or someone like that and call it a day.

  82. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message - why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it's an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @JMcG, @William Badwhite

    Comparing Crimea to the East Block is ridiculous. Crimea isn’t Estonia or Poland, it’s a little spit of land that’s been part of Russia on and off for centuries. It’s populated mostly by Russians. Russia has as much right to “invade” it as Israel has the West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

    Fresh off its humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, the US is picking a fight with a nuclear-armed power over a useless borderland (that’s what “the Ukraine” means) which was once a part of historic Russia. NATO should never have been expanded period – to include Ukraine is doubly insane.

    We’re wrong. The Russians are right. It’s that simple.

    https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    NATO should never have been expanded period – to include Ukraine is doubly insane.
     
    Ukraine is not in NATO and is not really up for inclusion in NATO at this time (and is admittedly a sort of borderline case, although the Western part was once part of Austria-Hungary and historically belongs in the West.

    As for the other NATO countries, the Baltics and Poland always, always, always hated being under the Russian thumb and some very large % of the population was and is in favor of allying themselves with the West precisely so that their Russian "friends" won't pay them a visit again. I really don't see what is wrong with offering these people the protection from Russian invasion that they very much desire. NATO is basically an alliance of countries that don't want to be invaded by the Russians. Given the way that the Russians are behaving (and have behaved in the past), you can see why a country might want that.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Paperback Writer

    It's a lot crazier than what you wrote. The actual Ukrainians who are eager to fight are authentic Nazis. And the Ukrainian PM's (he was previously a professional comedian) top oligarch backer is a James Bond villain who keeps a shark tank in his office.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  83. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar


    No, it isn’t. Slavery was the original forced integration. They’d never have gotten here on their own.
     
    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago. Indians had practiced it for millennia.

    If God had wanted us together, he’d have put us all on the same continent.
     
    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it's all over the Bible!

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brit

    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago.

    Then their descendants belong in North America today. The descendants of the slaves of West Africa do not.

    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it’s all over the Bible!

    The importation of alien races is very much not.

    Besides, slavery takes many forms. Almost all found in thAmerica’s. Near East allowed for the eventual freedom and assimilation of the slave. So Biblical slavery is irrelevant to the Americas.

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.

    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the “forced” part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called “freedom of association”.

    • Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar


    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the “forced” part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called “freedom of association”.
     
    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That's why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.

    That's why such things are barred by UN conventions.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  84. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Comparing Crimea to the East Block is ridiculous. Crimea isn't Estonia or Poland, it's a little spit of land that's been part of Russia on and off for centuries. It's populated mostly by Russians. Russia has as much right to "invade" it as Israel has the West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

    Fresh off its humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, the US is picking a fight with a nuclear-armed power over a useless borderland (that's what "the Ukraine" means) which was once a part of historic Russia. NATO should never have been expanded period - to include Ukraine is doubly insane.

    We're wrong. The Russians are right. It's that simple.

    https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

    Replies: @Jack D, @Emil Nikola Richard

    NATO should never have been expanded period – to include Ukraine is doubly insane.

    Ukraine is not in NATO and is not really up for inclusion in NATO at this time (and is admittedly a sort of borderline case, although the Western part was once part of Austria-Hungary and historically belongs in the West.

    As for the other NATO countries, the Baltics and Poland always, always, always hated being under the Russian thumb and some very large % of the population was and is in favor of allying themselves with the West precisely so that their Russian “friends” won’t pay them a visit again. I really don’t see what is wrong with offering these people the protection from Russian invasion that they very much desire. NATO is basically an alliance of countries that don’t want to be invaded by the Russians. Given the way that the Russians are behaving (and have behaved in the past), you can see why a country might want that.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    They weren't under Russian control since the USSR broke up. Maybe you don't see what's so bad about their joining NATO but the Russians did, understandably. They have a legit sphere of influence, so do we.


    Ukraine is not in NATO and is not really up for inclusion in NATO at this time

     

    Are you actually stupid or do you just play a dummy on the internet? You have an annoying way of stating things so that the other person must correct you, and then you have a set response to that, so that you entangle the other person in an endless thicket of weeds. Some sort of slimeball low-grade law school trick. No one is fooled.

    Ukraine has been playing footsie with NATO since 1992 and it was only under Yankukovich that the issue was shelved. One of the reasons he had to be shitcanned.

    Look Jack D, argue in good faith or fuck off. You really are a pain in the ass.

  85. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks for not taking offense. None meant - believe it or not, I had not heard of this German admiral or his quotation. And yes, I did look it up myself. But thanks for the links.

    So let's talk about this admiral. He said the quiet part out loud and got canned. Are there more like him? I think so.

    Darren Beattie is all over the Nordstream2 thing. He says it will go ahead. And here's a link!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/nord-stream-2-is-a-major-item-of-leverage-against-russia-ex-german-ambassador.html

    What say you? I say it will.

    [BTW did you know there's an easy way to google anything if you have a mouse? Just highlight the text and right click. There will be an option for: "Search for Google, etc." Not sure if this works for non-Google engines. It's been a lifesaver for me.]

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nordstream is kind of like the old joke (adjusted for inflation) that if you owe the bank a million \$ then then bank owns you but if you owe the bank \$100 million then you own the bank. It’s like a game of chicken – do the Russian need the European \$ more that the Europeans need Russian gas?

    The Germans are obviously quite reluctant to get dragged into this but if the Russians go too far then they are not really going to have a choice. If (and this is what Joe was getting at the other day) Putin just bites off a few little chunks then they might be able to get away with not shutting down Nordstream. They will put ineffective sanctions on Putin’s chauffeur or someone like that and call it a day.

  86. The irresponsible driving is something I notice daily, if not hourly now and is getting out of hand. Freeway drivers with heads down in phones, double yellow passing, speeding around kids, it’s tiresome and ignorant. Also, ‘d guess 10 to 20 percent of folks are recent immigrants with no local knowledge of driving conventions or snow. It’s all not so great.
    OT but, very Isteve friendly NFL weekend so far. Burrow looks like lab made QB, all around decent human Stafford benefitting from Suh’s exuberance now that he is out of Detroit.

  87. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    NATO should never have been expanded period – to include Ukraine is doubly insane.
     
    Ukraine is not in NATO and is not really up for inclusion in NATO at this time (and is admittedly a sort of borderline case, although the Western part was once part of Austria-Hungary and historically belongs in the West.

    As for the other NATO countries, the Baltics and Poland always, always, always hated being under the Russian thumb and some very large % of the population was and is in favor of allying themselves with the West precisely so that their Russian "friends" won't pay them a visit again. I really don't see what is wrong with offering these people the protection from Russian invasion that they very much desire. NATO is basically an alliance of countries that don't want to be invaded by the Russians. Given the way that the Russians are behaving (and have behaved in the past), you can see why a country might want that.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    They weren’t under Russian control since the USSR broke up. Maybe you don’t see what’s so bad about their joining NATO but the Russians did, understandably. They have a legit sphere of influence, so do we.

    Ukraine is not in NATO and is not really up for inclusion in NATO at this time

    Are you actually stupid or do you just play a dummy on the internet? You have an annoying way of stating things so that the other person must correct you, and then you have a set response to that, so that you entangle the other person in an endless thicket of weeds. Some sort of slimeball low-grade law school trick. No one is fooled.

    Ukraine has been playing footsie with NATO since 1992 and it was only under Yankukovich that the issue was shelved. One of the reasons he had to be shitcanned.

    Look Jack D, argue in good faith or fuck off. You really are a pain in the ass.

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Sean


    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.
     
    It may be fast, but it's almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast "doofus", "no sense", "low impulse control". "Low impulse control" is a warning, but not the same as "tough".

    "Low impulse control" stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey, @Danindc

    Tattoos now just broadcast “doofus”, “no sense”, “low impulse control”.

    I just watched a very good short documentary on the Coast Guard’s search-and-rescue methods. While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    But for “doofus”, you can’t beat these two jackeens in County Carlow who tried to pull a Weekend at Bernie’s in real life:

    Foul play ruled out in death of pensioner taken to Carlow post office— Gardaí trying to establish if Peader Doyle was dead before being brought to collect pension

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.
     
    We should get back to that.

    I got a speeding ticket in Clayton New Mexico the other day. (Slowed down coming into town quite adequately for safety--i always respect peoples' small town life and do not try and roar on through--but not apparently as fast as the signage.) Trooper was pleasant enough, but had visible forearm tattoo.

    That's disqualifying to me. America isn't supposed to be something out of Road Warrior. Police should be polite and look, behave and be groomed like normal Americans. (And also be fit.)

    Unfortunately the standards of looks, grooming and behavior of "normal" Americans has been in decline.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Bubba
    @Reg Cæsar


    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.
     
    Thanks Reg, your memory is still spot-on correct and I remember those days.

    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious - thanks!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  89. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message - why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it's an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @JMcG, @William Badwhite

    What exactly did we do in the former Yugoslavia except allow European borders to be drawn by force? NATO force, to be exact.

    • Thanks: sayless, Inquiring Mind
  90. @AnotherDad
    @Matthew Kelly

    The only upside i can see is political as people react to the Democrat generated crime spree.

    But the direct impact--the culling itself--is too trivial to improve things.

    There really is no way around the fact that modern life is simply quite a bit safer and cushier than in the past, in that the result of that tends to be dysgenic. Eugenic policies--low and high: booting out criminals, and requiring zero-fertility in return for welfare and encouragement and incentives for healthy and productive young couple to have children--is necessary to avoid dystopia.

    Serious nations that figure that out will win the future.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly

    Serious nations that figure that out will win the future.

    I think nations have figured this out in the past, but they were bombed into submission. I think the larger problem is figuring out how to implement pro-eugenic policies without attracting the Eye of Sauron.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Sean


    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.
     
    It may be fast, but it's almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast "doofus", "no sense", "low impulse control". "Low impulse control" is a warning, but not the same as "tough".

    "Low impulse control" stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey, @Danindc

    One reason (some) men with tattoos are feared is not because tattoos make them look strong, but because tats make them look irrational. An irrational person might just do any insane old thing, and usually has a lot less to lose.

    Women with tats are feared mostly because they’re more likely to have STDs.

  92. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don’t want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea–the German admiral is of course correct–but that’s fine.

    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they've already seized. Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin's comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They're not interested in your deal.


    The Russian government's latest lout move is summarized here:

    https://gazette.com/news/nato-shoots-down-russian-ultimatum-as-dispute-flares-after-blinken-lavrov-meeting/article_4dfedc3d-6ee7-567d-836f-45b60b5369a1.html

    The result of which is that Sweden and Finland are now considering NATO membership.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer

    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they’ve already seized.

    Agree.

    … Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin’s comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They’re not interested in your deal.

    Agree. They are “assholes”.

    People who insist that other people–who are not interested–must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.

    If people don’t want to be part of your deal … take it as a hint.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    AD - this is all bullshit. The Russians aren't interested in invading Ukraine.

    But if you were Russian, wouldn't you consider this provocative? Is Ukraine part of NATO?

    https://www.voanews.com/a/blinken-authorizes-baltic-countries-to-send-us-weapons-to-ukraine/6408170.html

    , @Brutusale
    @AnotherDad


    People who insist that other people–who are not interested–must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.
     
    Seems the iSteve warmongers consist of Jack and Art. The "you and him fight" thing that seems to be genetic now.

    But we're all tools of Putin!

    Replies: @Rob

  93. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Kronos

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    America needed Neoconservatives to be “mugged by reality” to create a political coalition that would stop rotten leftism, but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Wilkey, @Kronos

    but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    We also let them turn the church building into a synagogue.

    (Sorry, just too good a comment to pass up.)

  94. @Dennis Dale
    Looking forward to "Black Lives Matter's Bloody Toll on White People".

    Replies: @Wilkey

    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs. Perhaps WFH will change some of that, but the results so far aren’t all that promising.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Wilkey

    That's the cost of Black! people overall. I'm thinking of the cost of BLM, which is just another stream in that torrent.

    But we don't have time. Too bad cornerback rankings and covid case numbers are so very compelling.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs.
     
    So in Estonia, it's the Russians playing the role of the blacks?


    https://estonianworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/graafik.jpg


    At least it's starting to pick up in recent years-- have the Russkies left?:


    Estonians are finding ways to halt their long fertility decline.
  95. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Tattoos now just broadcast “doofus”, “no sense”, “low impulse control”.
     
    I just watched a very good short documentary on the Coast Guard's search-and-rescue methods. While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    But for "doofus", you can't beat these two jackeens in County Carlow who tried to pull a Weekend at Bernie's in real life:

    Foul play ruled out in death of pensioner taken to Carlow post office— Gardaí trying to establish if Peader Doyle was dead before being brought to collect pension

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bubba

    While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    We should get back to that.

    I got a speeding ticket in Clayton New Mexico the other day. (Slowed down coming into town quite adequately for safety–i always respect peoples’ small town life and do not try and roar on through–but not apparently as fast as the signage.) Trooper was pleasant enough, but had visible forearm tattoo.

    That’s disqualifying to me. America isn’t supposed to be something out of Road Warrior. Police should be polite and look, behave and be groomed like normal Americans. (And also be fit.)

    Unfortunately the standards of looks, grooming and behavior of “normal” Americans has been in decline.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @AnotherDad


    America isn’t supposed to be something out of Road Warrior.
     
    Oh, just you wait
  96. Perhaps BLM is the abortion of the 2020s – a leftist way to cull black population growth.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Thomm

    That is a YUGE part of it.

  97. Black Lives Matter’s Bloody Toll on Black People

    NBC News reports that only 5% of Americans believe Biden’s first year has been “better than expected”. Well, put me in that group!

    Biden ends first year as president with ‘bleak, discouraging’ marks from the public

    There is indeed a lot of ruin in a nation. I was sure that Kam the Ham would be in the throne by now.

    The White House crew is looking like those manky dossers in Carlow who took a propped-up corpse to the Post Office to collect his pension. (See comment above.)

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Reg Cæsar

    I take it you mean better-than-expected from your perspective is that Mr. Biden is able to still say, "I feel . . . happy! I feel . . . happy!"

  98. @Art Deco
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    They did not take over the right and the Rockford Institute was the nerve center of a sect which could claim no more than seven members of Congress and a subscriber list with 20,000 names on it before Thos. Fleming turned their magazine into a cheerleading section for bloody-minded Serb nationalists. There were never any 'effective palaeocons'. You had Pat Buchanan, who was as a political candidate as evanescent as Rick Santorum.

    Replies: @Tony W, @HammerJack

    And I believe you are an advocate for drug-running, sex-trafficking Muslim Albanians. US foreign policy in the Balkans was driven by the requirements of the Israel-first US foreign policy. We warred on Iraq, Syria and Libya. We strangle Iran and the Palestinians with economic sanctions, but see, we are not anti-Muslim- because we side with them against Christian Serbs! Orthodox Churches are burned to the ground, Christians are murdered, raped and robbed, and the American interest is not advanced in the least. But hey, it’s good for Israel, and therefore, good enough for American politicians.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Tony W

    And I believe you are an advocate for drug-running, sex-trafficking Muslim Albanians.

    There are 4.6 million people living in Kosovo and Albania. The criminal class in any population is a single-digit minority and people actively engaged in the drug trade or sex trafficking a minority of that. No clue why you fancy I'm 'advocating' for that.



    US foreign policy in the Balkans was driven by the requirements of the Israel-first US foreign policy.

    Non sequitur.


    We warred on Iraq, Syria and Libya.

    Israel recommended we put Iraq on the back burner and concentrate on Iran. We never warred on Syria or Libya, just political factions therein, and not very vigorously in Syria.


    We strangle Iran and the Palestinians with economic sanctions,

    The Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza and in the UNRWA camps are not strangled and have been indulged for decades with subsidies from various parties, including the U.S. Government. Iran isn't strangled and if it wishes to be treated congenially, it can formulate a conventional foreign policy and quit being a malicious nuisance to everyone else in the world.



    but see, we are not anti-Muslim- because we side with them against Christian Serbs! Orthodox Churches are burned to the ground, Christians are murdered, raped and robbed, and the American interest is not advanced in the least. But hey, it’s good for Israel, and therefore, good enough for American politicians.

    The antagonism of various outside parties to the Serbian government was a consequence of their willingness to pursue their political goals by the use of massive violence against civilians. (As well as thinking they had some sort of God-given right to subjugate the Albanian population in Kosovo).

  99. @Wilkey
    @Dennis Dale

    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs. Perhaps WFH will change some of that, but the results so far aren’t all that promising.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @Reg Cæsar

    That’s the cost of Black! people overall. I’m thinking of the cost of BLM, which is just another stream in that torrent.

    But we don’t have time. Too bad cornerback rankings and covid case numbers are so very compelling.

  100. @SafeNow
    So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier. The Ferguson effect did that, I guess. But what if there is more at work than the Ferguson effect? In other words, when you tell black people that they really really matter, they are so great, they go out and do other things differently. All sorts of things. I guess this is like giving a participation trophy to all of the child athletes, in other words, telling the last-place runners how great they are. How does this affect them?

    Replies: @Element59, @Nicholas Stix, @jsm

    “The Ferguson effect did that, I guess.”

    More like the MLK Effect, or the naacp effect. In the run-up to the supremes’ 1954 Brown decision, the naacp insisted that black “students” could and would follow White academic and behavioral norms. Once they were brought into previously all-White schools, their work was lousy, they cursed their heads off, sexually molested White girls (grabbing their breasts and butts), and on the rare occasion they were disciplined, they vandalized the school buildings. The naacp’s response to criticism? To scream, “Racism!”

    “King Holyday Rooted in Lies about What He Believed—and What Jefferson and America’s Founders Believed”

    https://www.unz.com/article/king-holyday-rooted-in-lies-about-what-he-believed-and-what-jefferson-and-americas-founders-believed/

  101. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm suddenly a fan of BLM.

    Joking.

    Not really.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jizmo, @magilla, @Jim Christian

    I am, too. Got an address for donations?

    • LOL: Matthew Kelly
  102. @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Slavery was the original forced integration."

    This is the combination of applying modern day societal standards with 20/20 hindsight.

    We can condemn the Europeans of the 17th century for bringing negroes to the US, but they too can condemn us equally for our country-wrecking belief that negroes can function by Western Civilization's standards.

    At least those guys knew they were dealing with a different species. We think we're so much smarter these days but we're not.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This is the combination of applying modern day societal standards with 20/20 hindsight.

    Funny, the imperial powers had the foresight not to unload those ships in their home countries. What did they know, and when? Australia finally got it right. If you’re going to stock the land with criminals, make sure they’re of your own race.

    At least the customer in this deal chose blond:

    Texas Woman Arrested After Allegedly Trying to Buy Walmart Shopper’s Son for \$500,000 ‘Because She Wanted Him and She Was Going to Take Him’: Reports

  103. @J.Ross
    I just had a substantive post eaten and I'm not going to try to completely recreate it, but:
    Estimates of total "classic" lynching (which normally come from black advocacy groups [like the Tuskegee Institite, the Equal Justice Initiative, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, etc] and are probably weighted to favor counting lynchings which look like their reason for being) hover between 3,750 and 4,804, with several of the more established and respectable ones at 4,700ish. Let's call that 5,000.
    Chicago in 2021 had 836 murders (CPD via City Journal).
    Going to the chart at top and excluding traffic deaths, we get to 4,747 by the end of August, 2019.
    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
    -----------
    Also there was a sociologist named Raper (kek) who selected a set of 100 lynchings with good information and concluded that the "victim" was normally guilty (kek).

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous

    I remember reading, courtesy of the Tuskeegee Institute, that (from memory) something like 8 blacks were lynched during the entire decade of the 1950’s. That’s a slow weekend in Baltimore or Chicago today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Right, and (also from memory) the entire death toll from lynching of blacks from 1865 onward worked out to something like 50 or 60 per year or 2 or 3 weeks worth in Chicago.

    As I mention in the other thread, this is how tribal societies operate. When members of the tribe kill each other, it's a family matter and of no concern to other tribes. But if a member of your tribe is killed by a neighboring tribe, this is an insult to your whole tribe and cannot be ignored.

    There is a logic to this in that if the other tribe has impunity to kill even one member of your tribe, then they might take that impunity further and kill all of you. So you cannot allow that camel's nose into your tent - even the slightest insult against the tribe must not be allowed.

  104. @Wilkey
    @Dennis Dale

    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs. Perhaps WFH will change some of that, but the results so far aren’t all that promising.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @Reg Cæsar

    The bloody toll of BLM/forced integration is the reduced family size that results from both parents in a white couple having to work and to live miles away from their jobs.

    So in Estonia, it’s the Russians playing the role of the blacks?

    At least it’s starting to pick up in recent years– have the Russkies left?:

    Estonians are finding ways to halt their long fertility decline.

  105. @YetAnotherAnon
    1,000% off topic, but does anyone know the easiest/best way to navigate Twitter on a PC? I don't have an account with them.

    For example, I want to see all tweets where "steve_sailer" occurs, which should be his tweets, replies, and anyone copying him in (IMHO twitter doesn't return everything, but that's another issue, part of their soft muting of people they don't like).

    So I can go to twitter, enter "steve_sailer" in the search box and hit enter, I get the results with the following in the URL.

    "https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live"

    So far so good. But if I want to click on one of the tweets - like the critical one from an Indian guy* "Indian academia & how we can outcompete the West" who is a fecal transplant guru, an area where India certainly has huge natural resources, I get this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/NM3gFtcK/aggarwala.jpg

    And when I click on the "x" to get rid of it I'm back with the original steve_sailer results. The only way I can see Mr Aggarwala's post is to ignore the "Don't miss what's happening" box, hit enter again, THEN click the "x" on the new "Don't miss what's happening" box.

    But it's damn annoying - any way round this, or is it my browser (Brave?).


    *Aggarwala is a Hindu Baniya caste—communities traditionally involved in trade and commerce, and known for their business acumen. It's the most common surname on Indian corporate boards.

    https://qz.com/india/669503/whats-an-indian-boardroom-without-an-agarwal-or-a-gupta/

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Brutusale, @Prabhakaran, @Paperback Writer

    The Twitter sign-up blocking (that sends you back where you were) just started in the last few months. I guess their new account numbers had declined.

  106. @Arclight
    @Kronos

    This is exactly what is going on now. We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics. New retail and office investment is virtually non-existent (not just because of violence) and new urban residential is slowing down. Toss in higher material prices and a few interest rate hikes, and we are going to see Democratic strongholds like Minneapolis realize the neighborhoods they have surrendered effective control of aren't coming back anytime soon. Cities that have seen strong core population growth over the last 20 years will see that stall out or even start to reverse.

    I share an office with a bunch of standard white liberals and it's clear from conversation that although they are not yet to the point where they are going to openly propose cracking down on crime, it's definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that 'violence interrupters' and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve. I don't let on the full extent of my politics but when I make comments about crime and the uselessness of our city's efforts they agree.

    Even more important is the effect black dysfunction has on Latinos, since they tend to live much closer to and share schools with them than lefty whites. Their rising electoral importance and unwillingness to roll over for blacks on a whole slate of issues is going to be a big problem for the left in the years to come.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Kronos, @bomag, @PaceLaw, @guest007, @Flip

    Even white New Yorkers were eventually willing to vote for Giuliani.

  107. The higher the bars go the better. Now if only the rag-heads, chinks, and indians etc would just join the club.

  108. OT, but not really:

    Analysis of several million books published from 1850 to 2020 shows that a cultural shift happened in the early 1980s. Emphasis on reason & rationality gave way to emotions and intuitions.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Recently Based

    RB, to the Wokesters emotion is reason. So, when one points out that all lives matter you are branded a racist or supremacist. No discourse allowed. No facts allowed. Nice post. Stay Safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  109. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.
     
    We should get back to that.

    I got a speeding ticket in Clayton New Mexico the other day. (Slowed down coming into town quite adequately for safety--i always respect peoples' small town life and do not try and roar on through--but not apparently as fast as the signage.) Trooper was pleasant enough, but had visible forearm tattoo.

    That's disqualifying to me. America isn't supposed to be something out of Road Warrior. Police should be polite and look, behave and be groomed like normal Americans. (And also be fit.)

    Unfortunately the standards of looks, grooming and behavior of "normal" Americans has been in decline.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    America isn’t supposed to be something out of Road Warrior.

    Oh, just you wait

  110. @Art Deco
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    They did not take over the right and the Rockford Institute was the nerve center of a sect which could claim no more than seven members of Congress and a subscriber list with 20,000 names on it before Thos. Fleming turned their magazine into a cheerleading section for bloody-minded Serb nationalists. There were never any 'effective palaeocons'. You had Pat Buchanan, who was as a political candidate as evanescent as Rick Santorum.

    Replies: @Tony W, @HammerJack

    As you should know, Patrick Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    Rick Santorum placed first in popular balloting in 11 primaries and caucuses in 2012. He disappeared without a trace four years later.

  111. @Element59
    @SafeNow

    "So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier."

    This harkens to my personal hypothesis, that in an advanced industrialized society with a sub-population of such a highly r-Selected group (Sub-Saharan Africans), once the external (environmental) pressures on public conduct are weakened (ending formal segregation, relaxing enforcement of white social norms of behavior), the innate impulses and drives of the sub-population become more unconstrained. Therefore, the worst innate attributes of the group rapidly manifest and begins a runaway feedback loop of dysfunctional group behavior.

    What's happened in America since Feguson and Floyd has resulted in rapidly accelerating this process of runaway sub-group dysfunction - and we see it in the data here. It can only be reigned-in by reverting back to enforcing firm standards of public behavior and of re-setting scholastic academic standards that apply equally to all - regardless of any disparate impact. This is just the starting points to work from. Eliminating any and all racial preferences, quotas, diversity promotion programs etc., would be the next step. But I dream on...

    Replies: @HammerJack

    I’d wager that a majority of the electorate would spring for a tough-daddy leader who declares: “Enough of these clown-car antics.” One who speaks persuasively and forcefully about tradional American values and why they’re actually good for everyone. Discipline, integrity, and hard work, for example.

    But—as you imply—not only is there no one like that on the national political scene, our current system appears to have been reconfigured to prevent anyone like that from attaining high office. Perhaps forever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HammerJack


    Discipline, integrity, and hard work, for example.
     
    Immigrants in general are very hard workers.
  112. @obwandiyag
    I read in one place that in New York in the 1990s, 2000 people a year died, and now its 400.

    Then elsewhere I read that Philadelphia just passed its all time murder record.

    I think maybe everybody lies all the time.

    Except me. I'm just being lied to.

    Replies: @Marquis, @lavoisier, @Jack D, @Boo Alcindor

    Doesn’t matter if it is the ’90s or now, joggers commit the vast majority of these murders.

  113. @Sean
    @Kronos

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the "Crazy Sal"

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/8ae764ff836a1f46815be26059c7270f/tumblr_nj6ejrpegO1s78t68o1_500.jpg

    Works for Jonah Hill

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Harry Baldwin, @Kratoklastes

    The guy behind him,isn’t that the guy who played Mel Cooley?

  114. @Tony W
    @Art Deco

    And I believe you are an advocate for drug-running, sex-trafficking Muslim Albanians. US foreign policy in the Balkans was driven by the requirements of the Israel-first US foreign policy. We warred on Iraq, Syria and Libya. We strangle Iran and the Palestinians with economic sanctions, but see, we are not anti-Muslim- because we side with them against Christian Serbs! Orthodox Churches are burned to the ground, Christians are murdered, raped and robbed, and the American interest is not advanced in the least. But hey, it's good for Israel, and therefore, good enough for American politicians.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    And I believe you are an advocate for drug-running, sex-trafficking Muslim Albanians.

    There are 4.6 million people living in Kosovo and Albania. The criminal class in any population is a single-digit minority and people actively engaged in the drug trade or sex trafficking a minority of that. No clue why you fancy I’m ‘advocating’ for that.

    US foreign policy in the Balkans was driven by the requirements of the Israel-first US foreign policy.

    Non sequitur.

    We warred on Iraq, Syria and Libya.

    Israel recommended we put Iraq on the back burner and concentrate on Iran. We never warred on Syria or Libya, just political factions therein, and not very vigorously in Syria.

    We strangle Iran and the Palestinians with economic sanctions,

    The Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza and in the UNRWA camps are not strangled and have been indulged for decades with subsidies from various parties, including the U.S. Government. Iran isn’t strangled and if it wishes to be treated congenially, it can formulate a conventional foreign policy and quit being a malicious nuisance to everyone else in the world.

    but see, we are not anti-Muslim- because we side with them against Christian Serbs! Orthodox Churches are burned to the ground, Christians are murdered, raped and robbed, and the American interest is not advanced in the least. But hey, it’s good for Israel, and therefore, good enough for American politicians.

    The antagonism of various outside parties to the Serbian government was a consequence of their willingness to pursue their political goals by the use of massive violence against civilians. (As well as thinking they had some sort of God-given right to subjugate the Albanian population in Kosovo).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  115. I was listening to WBEZ (91.5) this afternoon and they had on your Black! program Code Switch that had, among their stories, how Whitey’s support for BLM has plummeted like a rock since their halcyon days of George Floyd’s “murder.”

    Think it was the January 12, 2022 edition they ran today, after examining their webpage, in case you want a listen.

    https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510312/codeswitch

  116. Sorry, ZFG. Blacks should have their own land, and pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left is a mug’s game…

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Tattoos now just broadcast “doofus”, “no sense”, “low impulse control”.
     
    I just watched a very good short documentary on the Coast Guard's search-and-rescue methods. While otherwise professional and genial, some of the young Coasties sported tattoos on their forearms.

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    But for "doofus", you can't beat these two jackeens in County Carlow who tried to pull a Weekend at Bernie's in real life:

    Foul play ruled out in death of pensioner taken to Carlow post office— Gardaí trying to establish if Peader Doyle was dead before being brought to collect pension

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bubba

    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.

    Thanks Reg, your memory is still spot-on correct and I remember those days.

    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious – thanks!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bubba


    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious – thanks!
     
    So is this one... Until you stop and think about it:


    Too many women in the wrong places: Norwegian navy edition

    BTW, the name Kirkegaard means, indeed is clearly cognate to, "churchyard". But Danes also use it as a synonym for " cemetery".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bubba

  118. @Sean
    @Kronos

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the "Crazy Sal"

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/8ae764ff836a1f46815be26059c7270f/tumblr_nj6ejrpegO1s78t68o1_500.jpg

    Works for Jonah Hill

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Harry Baldwin, @Kratoklastes

    Tattoos on nerds, women, skinny hipsters, fatsos, etc, are far too prevalent to mark anyone as “a man to be feared.”

    Back before Gavin McInnes had been cancelled, he did an interview show and had Ann Coulter as one of his guests. When he told her his torso and arms were heavily tattooed, she responded, “Oh, did you not always have a high IQ?”

    • LOL: Kronos
  119. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic.
     

    No, it isn't. Slavery was the original forced integration. They'd never have gotten here on their own.

    If God had wanted us together, he'd have put us all on the same continent.


    We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.
     
    Just represented in Congress. Was that worth keeping them housed and fed?

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Mike Tre, @Anonymous

    Slavery was the original forced integration

    Well no, that’s not really true. Slavery existed all over the world without there being much genetic integration back-and-forth.

    The Spartans kept themselves separate from those that they ruled over.

    Anyway, it’s a pointless topic with regard to what white people are facing today because we can’t hop ina time machine and do anything about what happened 500 or 5000 years ago.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Well no, that’s not really true. Slavery existed all over the world without there being much genetic integration back-and-forth.
     
    "Genetic" isn't the only consideration with integration. There are cultural, moral, linguistic, and all kinds of other influences. In late Nationalist South Africa, one sharp observer noted that the races had all corrupted one another with their proximity. The same goes for the Americas. Has anything good ever come out of our black-majority states? Mardi Gras and Dégas were French imports.

    Jimmy Snow railed against the negrification of American music in the 1950s. (Already an old story by then.) It's no accident that he was the son of Canadians.



    https://youtu.be/BWqG_uu8CjU

    Anyway, it’s a pointless topic with regard to what white people are facing today...
     
    We haven't seen you offer any solutions.
  120. @JMcG
    I really don’t like how coarsened I’ve become, but I just can’t bring myself to care any longer.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    I really don’t like how coarsened I’ve become, but I just can’t bring myself to care any longer.

    That’s an easy conclusion to reach, but it’s based on a false premise – namely, that becoming inured to an ever-growing amount of information about people you will never meet, is the same as being ‘coarsened‘.

    I might be wrong, but my guess would be that you haven’t lost a single iota of care for people in the closest of a set of widening ‘circles of giving a fuck‘ as outlined by Hierocles (at least as recounted by Stobaeus in Florilegium) – as reproduced on Reddit.

    My second guess would be that most sensible people would consider your set of circles appropriate in both size and scope.

    We would all collapse in a gibbering heap if we tried to care the same amount about an arbitrary person who was on the receiving end of a random act of violence – say, Brianna Kupfer – as we cared if the same thing had happened to someone at 1°KB (one degree of Kevin Bacon – i.e., a friend of a friend), let alone at 0°KB (someone you know personally).

    I take things further – inside 0°KB there’s a ‘core’ – genetically-related plus The Lovely (together, ‘family‘); then close friends; then direct acquaintances and work colleagues.

    My rough rule of thumb is that for each °KB outside 0°KB it takes an order of magnitude for a death to elicit the same approximate emotional response – and past 3°KB it’s just noise at an individual level.

    So it would take ~10⁵ Brianna Kupfers to make me as sad as it would if I knew Brianna Kupfer personally.

    If Brianna Kupfer was my mother, sister, daughter or partner, entirely different.

    It would take about 100 deaths of people I know at one remove, to elicit the same response as the death of my parents, or siblings, or The Lovely.

    Should we shoot your parents, or 200 your friends’ friends” is not a hard question – 200 people are gonna die and I’m going to feel less bad than I would otherwise.

    If you don’t kill your cat, a black man will stab a white girl somewhere in the US in five minutes.” – sorry, unknown girl, you’re fucked.

    Makes me sound like a sociopath, but imagine how dysfunctional people would be if they treated every earthquake, hurricane, tsunami, or murder victim, as if it was their kin. We would get nothing done because we would be in tears most days.

    We live in a time of emotional amplification: we get to see horrible shit (and heart-warming shit too) from all corners of the Earth in pretty-much real time. That hasn’t been the case for most of human history: we might hear about some atrocity (or some natural disaster) six months after it happened, if at all.

    If we don’t compartmentalise that shit, we wind up unable to cope.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Kratoklastes


    Makes me sound like a sociopath
     
    Not sure whether I should say this, but here goes...

    You've got nothing on me, son. I care more about my pet parrot's toe than I care about the entire continent of Africa.
  121. @AceDeuce
    @Michelle


    After Blacks finally gained “Civil Rights” and were prepared to grab the gold ring, the white leftists convinced them that the ring was brass!
     
    Sorry, no. It's not the White liberals' fault. This is how negroes act. Why is there a compulsion to make excuses for groids?

    Replies: @Michelle

    Except that they didn’t. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”. It’s happening now more than ever.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”.
     
    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.



    https://www.neiu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/feature_image/public/hub.neiu.edu/news-images/2016/01/22/Jesse%20Jackson-Brown%20Background.jpg?itok=CNejqCw9

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Truth, @Michelle

    , @Mike Tre
    @Michelle

    " but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them "

    All one needs to do is observe negro behavior back in their own lands to know that's not true. In the US, pre-1960's negroes didn't engage in murder and criminality (at least to the current extent) because they were subject to intensive local authority. They also were not yet the beneficiaries of a cancerous welfare state that removed their needs to see to their own survival. Idle hands and all that.

    Has negro behavior been weaponized by TPTB? No doubt about it. But they are what they are regardless.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Michelle

    Wrong. They were criminals from the get go. Until the mid 20th Century, they were largely confined to the South, where Whites knew how they were and kept them in line as best they could.

    What happened is they were not kept in line.

    They didn't need the left to tell them that they had been slaves, or that segregation existed or to hate Whites. They already knew that. They already hated Whites.

    And here's something to chew on--if your fantasy is real, and White libs told them to get back at the Man, as you put it, niggros didn't have to listen to that.

    I'm part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I'd refuse. I've got a life.

    Replies: @Truth, @Brit

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Michelle

    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man.”

    Blacks have always been responsible for a disproportionately high rate of murder and other violent crimes. There are a numbers of studies from 1880 on that remark upon it. The following is excerpted from Racial Integrity and Other Features of the Negro Problem by Alexander Harvey Shannon, written in 1907, which discusses the situation in Denver, whose population was 4% black.


    While conditions in Denver bear a strong resemblance to those in some of the Southern cities, there is a marked difference in the grade of crimes committed. From the first of May to the first of September, 1906, there were ten killings in Denver. Five of these, including the murder in cold blood of two police officers killed in the discharge of their duty, were the work of negroes. One negro was killed by a white man—who was acquitted because he acted in self defense—so that we have four per cent of the population committing fifty per cent and involved in sixty per cent of all killings during this period. Ten negroes and eleven whites were involved.

    This record is not sustained through any long period, but the negro commits vastly more than four per cent of the murders done in Denver. Of other crimes, he is credited with vastly more than four per cent, but he seems to become relatively less conspicuous upon the police records as we pass from murder, burglary, assault, etc., to the milder crimes and misdemeanors. This preeminence in crime is being noted, and is producing an effect unfavorable to the race as a whole.
     
    , @Bubba
    @Michelle

    Not true. Some of the most ardent abolitionists often wrote and stated in speeches that the majority of negro men were quite violent (but were quite colorful in language and could be entertaining at times) and that particular race should be kept separate from others. It's always been known by every culture on earth for recorded history that blacks are far more violent, anti-social and not too bright - mankind doesn't change.

    Please read up on the American Colonization Society. It started out with some success, but failed when extremist abolitionists thought total integration in the United States would be a swell idea. What a great idea that we are still paying dearly for in trillions and innocent lives lost. And Liberia (its capitol named after President Monroe) ended up being a typical African basket case that eventually allowed slavery.

    Had blacks followed the advice of intelligent realists like Booker T. Washington & George Washington Carver (who have been cancelled and isolated as "Uncle Tom" by blacks for a couple of generations now) things certainly would have turned out better for them.

    Replies: @Michelle

  122. I wish my fellow Americans nothing but the best, but I am having a harder and harder time getting worked up about this. Blacks are doing this to their own people, and the killing won’t stop until they decide to stop killing each other over trivia.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jim Bob, bingo and I think it is Blacks Love Murder.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  123. @Sean
    @Kronos

    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared. I have heard of fathers objecting people in the store line with raunchy women tattoos om display, like that fellow has. He needs a different one to make him look tough. I recommend the "Crazy Sal"

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/8ae764ff836a1f46815be26059c7270f/tumblr_nj6ejrpegO1s78t68o1_500.jpg

    Works for Jonah Hill

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldlan, @Harry Baldwin, @Kratoklastes

    It used to be the case – back when tattooing was quite painful.

    Modern tattoo needles are much finer and so the ‘ordeal’ aspect is much much reduced.

    Today, having a tattoo only says “I once had at least \$40 in available credit.”

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  124. Our Police Chief is diverting 48 police officers to East Oakland in response to community members who don’t feel safe in their own homes. So much for “Defund the Police”!

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Police-Shifts-48-Officers-To-East-Oakland-16797790.php

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Michelle

    And the next time a Sacred Negro overdoses in custody (or attempted custody) we can repeat the entire charade all over again.

  125. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Comparing Crimea to the East Block is ridiculous. Crimea isn't Estonia or Poland, it's a little spit of land that's been part of Russia on and off for centuries. It's populated mostly by Russians. Russia has as much right to "invade" it as Israel has the West Bank (Judea and Samaria).

    Fresh off its humiliating defeat in Afghanistan, the US is picking a fight with a nuclear-armed power over a useless borderland (that's what "the Ukraine" means) which was once a part of historic Russia. NATO should never have been expanded period - to include Ukraine is doubly insane.

    We're wrong. The Russians are right. It's that simple.

    https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

    Replies: @Jack D, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s a lot crazier than what you wrote. The actual Ukrainians who are eager to fight are authentic Nazis. And the Ukrainian PM’s (he was previously a professional comedian) top oligarch backer is a James Bond villain who keeps a shark tank in his office.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Correct. The more I read the sicker it seems. Ukraine is a fake country - it's a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Ukrainians - orthodox Slavic-speaking peasants - were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    More about Crimea:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/03/george-f-kennans-prediction-on-nato-expansion-was-right.html

    Their annexation of Crima was a completely predictable response to our outrageous interference in Ukraine's internal affairs.

    Of all people (or perhaps not) George Kennan was against expanding NATO way back in the late 90s. He'd be aghast at this latest bullshit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

  126. Black Lives Matter’s Bloody Toll on Black People

    I don’t care

    • Agree: silviosilver
  127. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they’ve already seized.
     
    Agree.

    ... Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin’s comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They’re not interested in your deal.
     
    Agree. They are "assholes".

    People who insist that other people--who are not interested--must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.

    If people don't want to be part of your deal ... take it as a hint.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Brutusale

    AD – this is all bullshit. The Russians aren’t interested in invading Ukraine.

    But if you were Russian, wouldn’t you consider this provocative? Is Ukraine part of NATO?

    https://www.voanews.com/a/blinken-authorizes-baltic-countries-to-send-us-weapons-to-ukraine/6408170.html

    • Agree: Kylie
  128. @J.Ross
    I just had a substantive post eaten and I'm not going to try to completely recreate it, but:
    Estimates of total "classic" lynching (which normally come from black advocacy groups [like the Tuskegee Institite, the Equal Justice Initiative, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, etc] and are probably weighted to favor counting lynchings which look like their reason for being) hover between 3,750 and 4,804, with several of the more established and respectable ones at 4,700ish. Let's call that 5,000.
    Chicago in 2021 had 836 murders (CPD via City Journal).
    Going to the chart at top and excluding traffic deaths, we get to 4,747 by the end of August, 2019.
    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
    -----------
    Also there was a sociologist named Raper (kek) who selected a set of 100 lynchings with good information and concluded that the "victim" was normally guilty (kek).

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous

    Lynchings “hover between 3,750 and 4,804”

    1/3 of that total were browns, mostly Mexican and some Indian. Whites, too, were lynched out West.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ron Mexico

    Of course, but I deliberately wanted to use bad numbers in bad assumptions from bad organizations, because that only strengthens my point. Made-up numbers of white on innocent black lynchings by a random black surveyed on the street are probably less horrible than the Burn Loot Murder numbers.

  129. @J.Ross
    I just had a substantive post eaten and I'm not going to try to completely recreate it, but:
    Estimates of total "classic" lynching (which normally come from black advocacy groups [like the Tuskegee Institite, the Equal Justice Initiative, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, etc] and are probably weighted to favor counting lynchings which look like their reason for being) hover between 3,750 and 4,804, with several of the more established and respectable ones at 4,700ish. Let's call that 5,000.
    Chicago in 2021 had 836 murders (CPD via City Journal).
    Going to the chart at top and excluding traffic deaths, we get to 4,747 by the end of August, 2019.
    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
    -----------
    Also there was a sociologist named Raper (kek) who selected a set of 100 lynchings with good information and concluded that the "victim" was normally guilty (kek).

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax, @Ron Mexico, @Anonymous

    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.

    Isn’t that total homicides, not the BLM-excess ones?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    When you tell cops to stay fetal, just like when you open the borders (or when your vote verification process depends on censorship, kicking out court-appointed observers, and positive proof beyond doubtshadow of fraud, instead of assumption of fraud and positive proof of voter identity), you surrender all right to quibble, just like when you flood a city you cannot talk about one body of water as opposed to another within the flood. These are all matters of chaos. What we know is that professional adult work under accepted standards would completely prevent the problem.
    There would be a certain amount of murders, sure, we could look at previous years in the same cities (always much lower) keeping in mind that murder goes up and down anyway (last year isn't what this year was "supposed" to be), but now all murderers legally benefit from BLM, in addition to the bonus number. It's the vindicating reverse of broken windows. Law normally doesn't worry about guaranteeing a perfect situation, it's properly supposed to zero in on preventable upticks originating in human choice. Right now we are seeing a terrifying new kind of law, which consists of terrorizing white property owners, and gives up on everything else.

  130. @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Work a deal to have Ukrainians vote and those who do/don’t want to be Ukrainian/Russian can go their respective ways. There is basically zero doubt about how that goes in Crimea–the German admiral is of course correct–but that’s fine.

    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they've already seized. Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin's comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They're not interested in your deal.


    The Russian government's latest lout move is summarized here:

    https://gazette.com/news/nato-shoots-down-russian-ultimatum-as-dispute-flares-after-blinken-lavrov-meeting/article_4dfedc3d-6ee7-567d-836f-45b60b5369a1.html

    The result of which is that Sweden and Finland are now considering NATO membership.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer

    You do realize that you’re on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/article/5c0e447bdda4c8db458b4644.jpg

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Professional Slav, @Inquiring Mind, @sayless

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    You do realize that you’re on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?
     
    Чума на оба ваши дома! / Чума на обидва ваші будинки!


    --Вільям Шекспір "Ромео і Джульєтта".


    BTW, не вірте Вікіпедії:

    William Shakespeare was an English playwright, poet and actor, widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language and the world's greatest dramatist. He is often called England's national poet and the "Bard of Avon". Wikipedia


    Born: April 1564, Sydney, Australia
    Died: April 23, 1616, Stratford-upon-Avon, United Kingdom

  131. @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Kronos

    All so true. Unfortunately Kristol’s son shows the end game that happened with Neoconservatism: it took over the right, vetoed and subverted effective paleocons, turned anti communism into foreign adventurism, and encouraged capitalism to become international woke profiteering.

    America needed Neoconservatives to be “mugged by reality” to create a political coalition that would stop rotten leftism, but instead of letting the converted whores sing in the choir we turned over the pulpit, consistory, and entire church building to them.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Wilkey, @Kronos

    I forgot about the “mugged by reality” quote! 😂

  132. @Clyde
    @Kronos

    Is that a dead city hipster or a live one?

    Replies: @Kronos

    Like gender, it’s a spectrum with these people. A lot of these kids grew up emasculated because they were put on vegan/soy diets since they were born. Mom and dad were so focused on helping Bono feed Africa they forgot to feed their damn kids.

  133. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    You do realize that you're on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    I read people like Saker skeptically. I don't buy anyone's nationalism. But what I've been reading about Ukraine in a variety of sources fills me with dread.


    this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

     

    What?

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Professional Slav
    @Kronos

    This looks photoshopped.
    Ukranian Nazis are like American Nazis, there's a tiny minority of morons, but most people being labeled nazi are just ukranian nationalists wanting Ukraine to be autonomous and free of Russia's empire of looting and poverty.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Kronos

    I think iSteve is trolling us, and by extension himself, with that Rogues Gallery of the different Soviet nationalities.

    That said, those guys do look Ukrainian.

    Another way to look at the How to Tell Russians Apart from Ukrainians post is that people who live there can pretty much tell each other apart. That so many of the people in the Soviet Police Guide to Nationalities look alike could be the all-Chinese-look-the-same effect, but yes, many of them do because they are the same ethnicity?

    Police in Moscow, say, have probably seen people with all of those facial features and hence know what these necessarily abstract representations are making reference to, but the panel of sketches helps the police assign a label to a facial type. Instead of saying, "a tovarich looking like Lenin was observed fleeing the scene" they could say a "Uzbek male"?

    Or the manager of a T J Maxx in Madison, WI, instead of saying a "dopey looking East Asian" could say, "A Kazakh female left the store with $500 worth of merchandise."

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    , @sayless
    @Kronos

    'a good time to buy some canned goods'

    Am afraid you may be right, Kronos. A friend of mine got a call yesterday from his son who is career military and has been making trips to Europe recently on classified matters.

    Yesterday he called specifically to tell him to get enough food and potable water laid by to get him through a disruption in supply, just in case the situation in Ukraine turns into a hot war, Russia/US.

    But may the Almighty be praised, we aren't being subjected to mean tweets from Donald Trump anymore. That just put my nerves in shreds.

    Replies: @Kronos

  134. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/article/5c0e447bdda4c8db458b4644.jpg

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Professional Slav, @Inquiring Mind, @sayless

    I read people like Saker skeptically. I don’t buy anyone’s nationalism. But what I’ve been reading about Ukraine in a variety of sources fills me with dread.

    this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    What?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, both Taiwan and Ukraine seem to have a high potential of dragging us into WW3 akin to how how Belgium dragged the British Empire into WW1.

    https://travelpast50.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/remember-belgium.jpg

    I think the Saker, Pepe Escobar, and Micheal Hudson are right on the money with how things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are creating rival economic blocs/systems to the US dollar. If things go hot in Ukraine, that’ll make the supply chain issues we’ve had so far look like just a 5min wait. So maybe stock up on canned food and dehydrated food buckets. I’ve got mine.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/iran-russia-hit-maximum-strategy/

    https://www.deluxecctv.com/images/products/large_3075_ReadyWise_720_Serving_Emergency_Supply_Food_Vegetable_Buckets.png

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

  135. @AnotherDad
    @Sean


    Getting ink done is the fastest way to look like a man to be feared.
     
    It may be fast, but it's almost orthogonal to actually looking tough. (Which is a combo of a whole lot of genetics augmented by time in the gym.) Tattoos now just broadcast "doofus", "no sense", "low impulse control". "Low impulse control" is a warning, but not the same as "tough".

    "Low impulse control" stamped on women, of course suggests something else entirely.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Reg Cæsar, @Wilkey, @Danindc

    Low class without a doubt.

  136. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago.
     
    Then their descendants belong in North America today. The descendants of the slaves of West Africa do not.

    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it’s all over the Bible!

     

    The importation of alien races is very much not.

    Besides, slavery takes many forms. Almost all found in thAmerica's. Near East allowed for the eventual freedom and assimilation of the slave. So Biblical slavery is irrelevant to the Americas.

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.
     
    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the "forced" part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called "freedom of association".

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the “forced” part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called “freedom of association”.

    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That’s why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.

    That’s why such things are barred by UN conventions.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That’s why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.
     
    You are talking about the private sector now, aren't you? Public facilities are inherently forced, especially one with truancy laws backing them. How easy is it for your children to find a school where boys and girls aren't forced to study together, against nature? (Ask your fellow screen-phrase, Abolish Public Education.)

    A Somali co-worker had to send his kids on a ten-mile bus ride to attend one, and even there, the sexes were in the same classroom, just separated by an aisle. It's a charter school, and I don't think the state will pay for single-sex ones.

    Again, forced integration.

    That’s why such things are barred by UN conventions.
     
    Many, if not most, UN members run single-sex schools in their countries. As with "marriage equality", the white man is the odd one out.

    BTW, when did the UN suddenly become legitimate?

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  137. @Jim Don Bob
    I wish my fellow Americans nothing but the best, but I am having a harder and harder time getting worked up about this. Blacks are doing this to their own people, and the killing won't stop until they decide to stop killing each other over trivia.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jim Bob, bingo and I think it is Blacks Love Murder.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    I think it is Blacks Love Murder.
     
    "Bowels Like Movements"
  138. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    You do realize that you're on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

    You do realize that you’re on the side of outright Nazis in Ukraine, no?

    Чума на оба ваши дома! / Чума на обидва ваші будинки!

    –Вільям Шекспір “Ромео і Джульєтта”.

    BTW, не вірте Вікіпедії:

    [MORE]

    William Shakespeare was an English playwright, poet and actor, widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language and the world’s greatest dramatist. He is often called England’s national poet and the “Bard of Avon”. Wikipedia

    Born: April 1564, Sydney, Australia
    Died: April 23, 1616, Stratford-upon-Avon, United Kingdom

  139. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/article/5c0e447bdda4c8db458b4644.jpg

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Professional Slav, @Inquiring Mind, @sayless

    This looks photoshopped.
    Ukranian Nazis are like American Nazis, there’s a tiny minority of morons, but most people being labeled nazi are just ukranian nationalists wanting Ukraine to be autonomous and free of Russia’s empire of looting and poverty.

  140. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jim Bob, bingo and I think it is Blacks Love Murder.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think it is Blacks Love Murder.

    “Bowels Like Movements”

  141. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar


    How are you going to bar non-whites from entire cities and counties? What Americans object to, on principle, is the “forced” part. That goes for segregation as well as integration. A little matter called “freedom of association”.
     
    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That's why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.

    That's why such things are barred by UN conventions.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That’s why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.

    You are talking about the private sector now, aren’t you? Public facilities are inherently forced, especially one with truancy laws backing them. How easy is it for your children to find a school where boys and girls aren’t forced to study together, against nature? (Ask your fellow screen-phrase, Abolish Public Education.)

    A Somali co-worker had to send his kids on a ten-mile bus ride to attend one, and even there, the sexes were in the same classroom, just separated by an aisle. It’s a charter school, and I don’t think the state will pay for single-sex ones.

    Again, forced integration.

    That’s why such things are barred by UN conventions.

    Many, if not most, UN members run single-sex schools in their countries. As with “marriage equality”, the white man is the odd one out.

    BTW, when did the UN suddenly become legitimate?

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Reg Cæsar


    It’s a charter school, and I don’t think the state will pay for single-sex ones.
     
    Depends on which state. See Kiryas Joel Litigation for more.
  142. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    I read people like Saker skeptically. I don't buy anyone's nationalism. But what I've been reading about Ukraine in a variety of sources fills me with dread.


    this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

     

    What?

    Replies: @Kronos

    Yeah, both Taiwan and Ukraine seem to have a high potential of dragging us into WW3 akin to how how Belgium dragged the British Empire into WW1.

    I think the Saker, Pepe Escobar, and Micheal Hudson are right on the money with how things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are creating rival economic blocs/systems to the US dollar. If things go hot in Ukraine, that’ll make the supply chain issues we’ve had so far look like just a 5min wait. So maybe stock up on canned food and dehydrated food buckets. I’ve got mine.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/iran-russia-hit-maximum-strategy/

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Kronos

    Belgium did not drag the British empire into WW1. London used it as an excuse to enter the war of its own choice.


    Which was one of the stupidest decisions the British ever made in their history. Probably second only to the insane pledge to Poland in 1939.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    OK, now I get it. I don't understand why Ukraine affects the supply chain, but I get your point. I don't buy it though. If the Confederates could get around a naval blockade, we should be able to work out supply chain issues. We're just incompetent, dude. No war necessary.

    Cooler heads like Scott Ritter and Gilbert Doctorow don't think the Russians are going to invade - they're just doing the military exercise thing. They're neither crazy nor naive - unlike our leaders. They have a high tolerance for American bullshit. Higher than we have of Russian bullshit. If the Russians sponsored a pro-Russian coup in Mexico, we'd go apeshit. Come to think of it, we might even protect our southern border, but I digress.

    But these things have a habit of taking on a life of their own, so who knows?

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    Lots of good links here, right, left & center.

    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-russia-ukraine

    But Pat Lang is genuinely worried that a war is going to start. If nothing else he thinks the regime will use this to crack down on dissent and he's actually making preparations for being taken off the air.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  143. @Thomm
    Perhaps BLM is the abortion of the 2020s - a leftist way to cull black population growth.

    Replies: @Truth

    That is a YUGE part of it.

  144. @Michelle
    Our Police Chief is diverting 48 police officers to East Oakland in response to community members who don't feel safe in their own homes. So much for "Defund the Police"!

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/bayarea/article/Police-Shifts-48-Officers-To-East-Oakland-16797790.php

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    And the next time a Sacred Negro overdoses in custody (or attempted custody) we can repeat the entire charade all over again.

  145. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Yes, people very much object to forced integration, no doubt about it. That’s why the government uses heavy fines, federal lawsuits and eventually jail time for anyone who fails to comply.
     
    You are talking about the private sector now, aren't you? Public facilities are inherently forced, especially one with truancy laws backing them. How easy is it for your children to find a school where boys and girls aren't forced to study together, against nature? (Ask your fellow screen-phrase, Abolish Public Education.)

    A Somali co-worker had to send his kids on a ten-mile bus ride to attend one, and even there, the sexes were in the same classroom, just separated by an aisle. It's a charter school, and I don't think the state will pay for single-sex ones.

    Again, forced integration.

    That’s why such things are barred by UN conventions.
     
    Many, if not most, UN members run single-sex schools in their countries. As with "marriage equality", the white man is the odd one out.

    BTW, when did the UN suddenly become legitimate?

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    It’s a charter school, and I don’t think the state will pay for single-sex ones.

    Depends on which state. See Kiryas Joel Litigation for more.

  146. Steve, your link on “CDC’s count” doesn’t work. You need to use the save button on the CDC results page to get a permalink URL.

  147. @Bubba
    @Reg Cæsar


    In my day, IIRC, that was prohibited, and may even have prevented enlistment.
     
    Thanks Reg, your memory is still spot-on correct and I remember those days.

    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious - thanks!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious – thanks!

    So is this one… Until you stop and think about it:

    Too many women in the wrong places: Norwegian navy edition

    BTW, the name Kirkegaard means, indeed is clearly cognate to, “churchyard”. But Danes also use it as a synonym for ” cemetery”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    BTW², the ship in the article linked was named for Helge Ingstad, a Norwegian explorer who was born in the 19th century and died in the 21st. Mrs Ingstad was of great help to him, which cannot be said for Generasjon Æ (or Ø or Å, whatever) ladies who piloted this:


    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16408/production/_104244119_bilde_3.jpg

    https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1100,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe3a9474b-babe-48d0-9680-ee632f1a65ab_1007x763.png

    , @Bubba
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thank you for that - never visited that site and he has some very interesting posts.

    Following your comments alone is worth my monthly stipend to the UR.

  148. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bubba


    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious – thanks!
     
    So is this one... Until you stop and think about it:


    Too many women in the wrong places: Norwegian navy edition

    BTW, the name Kirkegaard means, indeed is clearly cognate to, "churchyard". But Danes also use it as a synonym for " cemetery".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bubba

    BTW², the ship in the article linked was named for Helge Ingstad, a Norwegian explorer who was born in the 19th century and died in the 21st. Mrs Ingstad was of great help to him, which cannot be said for Generasjon Æ (or Ø or Å, whatever) ladies who piloted this:

    • LOL: Kronos, Bubba
  149. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, both Taiwan and Ukraine seem to have a high potential of dragging us into WW3 akin to how how Belgium dragged the British Empire into WW1.

    https://travelpast50.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/remember-belgium.jpg

    I think the Saker, Pepe Escobar, and Micheal Hudson are right on the money with how things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are creating rival economic blocs/systems to the US dollar. If things go hot in Ukraine, that’ll make the supply chain issues we’ve had so far look like just a 5min wait. So maybe stock up on canned food and dehydrated food buckets. I’ve got mine.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/iran-russia-hit-maximum-strategy/

    https://www.deluxecctv.com/images/products/large_3075_ReadyWise_720_Serving_Emergency_Supply_Food_Vegetable_Buckets.png

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Belgium did not drag the British empire into WW1. London used it as an excuse to enter the war of its own choice.

    Which was one of the stupidest decisions the British ever made in their history. Probably second only to the insane pledge to Poland in 1939.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @anonymouseperson

    The vast majority of the populace had no idea about that secret treaty. Sure the higher ups new about it and used it as a pretense for war, but the general populace couldn’t protest what they thought didn’t exist. Had they only known…

    https://alphahistory.com/worldwar1/treaty-of-london-1839/

  150. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Slavery was the original forced integration
     
    Well no, that’s not really true. Slavery existed all over the world without there being much genetic integration back-and-forth.

    The Spartans kept themselves separate from those that they ruled over.

    Anyway, it’s a pointless topic with regard to what white people are facing today because we can’t hop ina time machine and do anything about what happened 500 or 5000 years ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well no, that’s not really true. Slavery existed all over the world without there being much genetic integration back-and-forth.

    “Genetic” isn’t the only consideration with integration. There are cultural, moral, linguistic, and all kinds of other influences. In late Nationalist South Africa, one sharp observer noted that the races had all corrupted one another with their proximity. The same goes for the Americas. Has anything good ever come out of our black-majority states? Mardi Gras and Dégas were French imports.

    Jimmy Snow railed against the negrification of American music in the 1950s. (Already an old story by then.) It’s no accident that he was the son of Canadians.

    Anyway, it’s a pointless topic with regard to what white people are facing today…

    We haven’t seen you offer any solutions.

  151. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross


    So BLM-enabled black homicide surpasses in less than a year all the claimed racist Klan lynchings in all of American history.
     
    Isn’t that total homicides, not the BLM-excess ones?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    When you tell cops to stay fetal, just like when you open the borders (or when your vote verification process depends on censorship, kicking out court-appointed observers, and positive proof beyond doubtshadow of fraud, instead of assumption of fraud and positive proof of voter identity), you surrender all right to quibble, just like when you flood a city you cannot talk about one body of water as opposed to another within the flood. These are all matters of chaos. What we know is that professional adult work under accepted standards would completely prevent the problem.
    There would be a certain amount of murders, sure, we could look at previous years in the same cities (always much lower) keeping in mind that murder goes up and down anyway (last year isn’t what this year was “supposed” to be), but now all murderers legally benefit from BLM, in addition to the bonus number. It’s the vindicating reverse of broken windows. Law normally doesn’t worry about guaranteeing a perfect situation, it’s properly supposed to zero in on preventable upticks originating in human choice. Right now we are seeing a terrifying new kind of law, which consists of terrorizing white property owners, and gives up on everything else.

  152. @Ron Mexico
    @J.Ross

    Lynchings "hover between 3,750 and 4,804"

    1/3 of that total were browns, mostly Mexican and some Indian. Whites, too, were lynched out West.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Of course, but I deliberately wanted to use bad numbers in bad assumptions from bad organizations, because that only strengthens my point. Made-up numbers of white on innocent black lynchings by a random black surveyed on the street are probably less horrible than the Burn Loot Murder numbers.

  153. @HammerJack
    @Element59

    I'd wager that a majority of the electorate would spring for a tough-daddy leader who declares: "Enough of these clown-car antics." One who speaks persuasively and forcefully about tradional American values and why they're actually good for everyone. Discipline, integrity, and hard work, for example.

    But—as you imply—not only is there no one like that on the national political scene, our current system appears to have been reconfigured to prevent anyone like that from attaining high office. Perhaps forever.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Discipline, integrity, and hard work, for example.

    Immigrants in general are very hard workers.

  154. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Goatweed

    "Have the number of whites murdered by blacks gone up while blacks are killing each other?"

    Didn't Steve report that white homicide victims were up 21%, and Asian victims up 1%?

    Don't know about the perps, but I could make an educated guess.


    (BTW this is when I really miss on Unz a sane or at least alternative view of what's going on re Ukraine. Pity Mr Karlin's no longer here)

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Not all of us miss him

  155. @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”.

    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.

    • Agree: West reanimator, Bubba
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar


    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.
     
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yQv6FX4ptmk
    , @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, stop whining, did they charge for the extra enzyme treatments?

    , @Michelle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Why wouldn't they spit in your food? Who could blame them?

  156. @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

    ” but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them ”

    All one needs to do is observe negro behavior back in their own lands to know that’s not true. In the US, pre-1960’s negroes didn’t engage in murder and criminality (at least to the current extent) because they were subject to intensive local authority. They also were not yet the beneficiaries of a cancerous welfare state that removed their needs to see to their own survival. Idle hands and all that.

    Has negro behavior been weaponized by TPTB? No doubt about it. But they are what they are regardless.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  157. @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

    Wrong. They were criminals from the get go. Until the mid 20th Century, they were largely confined to the South, where Whites knew how they were and kept them in line as best they could.

    What happened is they were not kept in line.

    They didn’t need the left to tell them that they had been slaves, or that segregation existed or to hate Whites. They already knew that. They already hated Whites.

    And here’s something to chew on–if your fantasy is real, and White libs told them to get back at the Man, as you put it, niggros didn’t have to listen to that.

    I’m part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I’d refuse. I’ve got a life.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @AceDeuce


    I’m part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I’d refuse. I’ve got a life.
     
    Yes, but let's be perfectly transparent, Old Sport; by nature, when it comes to cojones, you're not exactly Michael Collins.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Brit
    @AceDeuce

    But you’re over in the USA away from Britain, the IRA were based in Ireland, and Blacks are based in America so there is in some sense a national requirement. Your comment does shine a light on how the early Irish Italians and Jews were seen by New Yorkers and importantly how integration and good values destroyed those prevalent riots and criminal organisations like the various mafias.

  158. @Matthew Kelly
    I'm suddenly a fan of BLM.

    Joking.

    Not really.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @jizmo, @magilla, @Jim Christian

    Don’t feel bad, MK, I’m of the same notion about Roe v. Wade. More abortions in, fewer man-hating feminist spawn out, and we’re 80-100million abortions in. Imagine the depth of this and the effect of millions upon 10s of millions fewer feminists to deal with and support for their entire lives, not to mention their hatreds and whining? As for BLM, if those folks will do that to each other on such a grand scale, imagine what those who kill and those killed want to do to us?

    Never interrupt your enemies as they destroy themselves.

  159. @Reg Cæsar

    Black Lives Matter's Bloody Toll on Black People
     
    NBC News reports that only 5% of Americans believe Biden's first year has been "better than expected". Well, put me in that group!



    Biden ends first year as president with 'bleak, discouraging' marks from the public

    There is indeed a lot of ruin in a nation. I was sure that Kam the Ham would be in the throne by now.

    The White House crew is looking like those manky dossers in Carlow who took a propped-up corpse to the Post Office to collect his pension. (See comment above.)

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    I take it you mean better-than-expected from your perspective is that Mr. Biden is able to still say, “I feel . . . happy! I feel . . . happy!”

  160. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/article/5c0e447bdda4c8db458b4644.jpg

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Professional Slav, @Inquiring Mind, @sayless

    I think iSteve is trolling us, and by extension himself, with that Rogues Gallery of the different Soviet nationalities.

    That said, those guys do look Ukrainian.

    Another way to look at the How to Tell Russians Apart from Ukrainians post is that people who live there can pretty much tell each other apart. That so many of the people in the Soviet Police Guide to Nationalities look alike could be the all-Chinese-look-the-same effect, but yes, many of them do because they are the same ethnicity?

    Police in Moscow, say, have probably seen people with all of those facial features and hence know what these necessarily abstract representations are making reference to, but the panel of sketches helps the police assign a label to a facial type. Instead of saying, “a tovarich looking like Lenin was observed fleeing the scene” they could say a “Uzbek male”?

    Or the manager of a T J Maxx in Madison, WI, instead of saying a “dopey looking East Asian” could say, “A Kazakh female left the store with \$500 worth of merchandise.”

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @Inquiring Mind

    I worked in the Caribbean with many blacks from different islands, and they could all tell the difference if someone was from Jamacia, St Lucia, Dominica, Haiti, Trinidad, etc, by the way they looked, dressed, and carried themselves.

  161. @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”.
     
    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.



    https://www.neiu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/feature_image/public/hub.neiu.edu/news-images/2016/01/22/Jesse%20Jackson-Brown%20Background.jpg?itok=CNejqCw9

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Truth, @Michelle

    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.

  162. @PaceLaw
    @Arclight

    “ . . . it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’ and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve.”

    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.

    https://www.lawofficer.com/baltimore-violence-interrupter-killed-in-quadruple-shooting/

    Replies: @Arclight, @Johann Ricke

    I read about that. My city shattered its previous homicide total and our mayor and council decided to blow the bulk of its federal money from 2021 on violence interrupters and grants to non-profits with a track record of doing nothing rather than on actual cops and policing.

    As you noted, the entire point is to provide make-work employment opportunities administered by non-profits that would immediately go under if not for grants of public money. The entire BLM effect of the last 2 years is that small NFPs that no one paid attention to are suddenly flush with money and invited to participate in various political dog and pony shows.

    • Agree: PaceLaw, Alden
  163. @YetAnotherAnon
    1,000% off topic, but does anyone know the easiest/best way to navigate Twitter on a PC? I don't have an account with them.

    For example, I want to see all tweets where "steve_sailer" occurs, which should be his tweets, replies, and anyone copying him in (IMHO twitter doesn't return everything, but that's another issue, part of their soft muting of people they don't like).

    So I can go to twitter, enter "steve_sailer" in the search box and hit enter, I get the results with the following in the URL.

    "https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live"

    So far so good. But if I want to click on one of the tweets - like the critical one from an Indian guy* "Indian academia & how we can outcompete the West" who is a fecal transplant guru, an area where India certainly has huge natural resources, I get this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/NM3gFtcK/aggarwala.jpg

    And when I click on the "x" to get rid of it I'm back with the original steve_sailer results. The only way I can see Mr Aggarwala's post is to ignore the "Don't miss what's happening" box, hit enter again, THEN click the "x" on the new "Don't miss what's happening" box.

    But it's damn annoying - any way round this, or is it my browser (Brave?).


    *Aggarwala is a Hindu Baniya caste—communities traditionally involved in trade and commerce, and known for their business acumen. It's the most common surname on Indian corporate boards.

    https://qz.com/india/669503/whats-an-indian-boardroom-without-an-agarwal-or-a-gupta/

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Brutusale, @Prabhakaran, @Paperback Writer

    That started after the desi took over. I have an account and I never use it, but I do like to occasionally read tweets from people like Steve. It was never a problem until Jack Dorkey stepped down as CEO. Now they want you to log on. Fat chance.

  164. @bomag
    @Arclight


    We are on the leading edge of the effects of this having real world implications that a broad swathe of the population cannot ignore whatever their politics.
     
    I'd like to agree, but we've had plenty of evidence for quite a while, and the Left continues with their holiness spiral.

    Their medicine hasn't worked; it has made things worse; their response is to prescribe an even larger dose.

    Replies: @Arclight

    The worm will turn, just like it did in the early 90s – it got so bad that black Members of Congress were proposing tougher law enforcement because their own constituents were howling for it. The current insanity is a product of white progressives and black activists that are far downstream from the primary effects of this lunacy. However, it will eventually sink in to them too as they find themselves avoiding larger and larger parts of the places they inhabit as the disorder spreads.

    But between now and then are years and thousands of bodies, and rest assured the perpetrators of this madness will never be held to account.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Arclight

    It’s Lenin’s one step back two steps forward. It took about 25 years, 1965 to 1990 for normal people to begin to elect law and order candidates. Clinton Guiliani Harris to replace ultra liberal Hallinan as district attorney.

    And it took until about 1995 30 years to get the laws in place and shut up the blacks and liberals.

    So, about 15 years 1995 to 2010 of moderate crime and it appeared as if gentrification was working and America would get back to normal. But much of that was Hispanic Asian Mid East etc immigration and their kids civilizing the schools. Plus tough immigrants did more to gentrify the cities than all the middle class Whites afraid to defend themselves against vicious blacks

    Black crime and politicians and Jews cravenly submitting to it are as bad as it’s been since the 1960s when civil rights came in with a wave of riots and black crime.

    Industry left the cities long ago. Work from home means the FIRE sector can leave soon. Why pay monstrous rents when the workers can work from home and need much lesser wages because no more commuting expenses and cheaper rural housing?

    The elites have something planned. It will be as important as the move to the suburbs after WW2. Remember that move was greatly accelerated by the steady conquest of section after section of the cities by the Black Plague.

    Look at how fast gay marriage was legalized by judges not elected legislators. Every single anti gay marriage referendum was overturned by judges . Then on to trans bathrooms in just one year. Men in women’s sports is trivial. But schools brainwashing elementary school kids they are trans is an extreme extreme anti normal event in human history.

    I’ve seen liberal strategy for 50 years. Propose something so extreme it fails. Then propose the same thing but a little less extreme and it succeeds. Then on to the next extreme thing.

    Don’t forget non White immigrants which includes Hispanics Indians Arabs even Persian Armenians and Russians. They are solid democrat voters Beverly Hills Persians voted for Trump. 10th generation Texas New Mexico Hispanics vote Republican. BFD., Glendale Pasadena Ca used to be Republican 25 years ago. Because of the American Armenians. Then the towns were flooded with Hispanics and have been solidly democrat ever since. The new Armenians have been on soviet refugee welfare for 30 years. They have businesses too. But still get that soviet refugee welfare.

    Bay Area Asians vote solidly democrat no matter what outraged blacks and White liberals commit against them.

    Look at your own area. You’ll see the same patterns.

    So what if Beverly Hills Persians and Texas 10th generation Hispanics vote republican. They are a drop in the ocean of solid democrat voters.

    There are a lot more than 30 percent Asians in San Francisco. And look at who they elect.

    It’s the same everywhere. NYC is full of White and Asian immigrants look at who they elect. Solid pro black criminal democrats and district attorneys. De Blasio third generation communist and now Adams. Who is probably a long term black panther black Muslim mole.

    From Dinkins to Soros DA Blagg in 30 years.

  165. @SafeNow
    O/T. The carrier Truman and its strike group (5 missile destroyers, 1 missile cruiser) have deployed to the Mediterranean. Supposedly an exercise was pre-planned. But when Kirby was asked if the pre-planned exercise was modified due to recent events, he said he did not have access to that “detail.” According to Navy Times, Norway is sending a frigate; when Norway gets involved, as Steve would say, uh oh. I am only a nobody but I worry we are wagging the dog a bit too hard just to increase presidential poll numbers; rallying around the president at times of international confrontation, or worse.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    According to Navy Times, Norway is sending a frigate; when Norway gets involved, as Steve would say, uh oh.

    Uh-oh is right. Don’t get in the lady’s way (Hi, Dave Pinsen)!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-01-21/too-many-women-wrong-places

  166. @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco


    The only fragments of the Ukraine at all likely to take an interest in joining Russia are the fragments they’ve already seized.
     
    Agree.

    ... Have a gander at some of Anatoly Karlin’s comment threads. His (fluent-in-English) Russian nationalist acolytes fancy Russia should just seize the eastern Ukraine and tell anyone living there who objects to pound sand. They’re not interested in your deal.
     
    Agree. They are "assholes".

    People who insist that other people--who are not interested--must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.

    If people don't want to be part of your deal ... take it as a hint.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Brutusale

    People who insist that other people–who are not interested–must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.

    Seems the iSteve warmongers consist of Jack and Art. The “you and him fight” thing that seems to be genetic now.

    But we’re all tools of Putin!

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Brutusale

    Speaking of tools of Putin, the fact that Russia is doing this Ukraine thing now is pretty solid proof that Trump was not a Russian stooge. If he had been, then the Trump era would have been the right time.

    After all, Biden is a Strong President, unlike the former guy.

    How was that for succint, PBW?

  167. @Recently Based
    OT, but not really:

    Analysis of several million books published from 1850 to 2020 shows that a cultural shift happened in the early 1980s. Emphasis on reason & rationality gave way to emotions and intuitions.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    RB, to the Wokesters emotion is reason. So, when one points out that all lives matter you are branded a racist or supremacist. No discourse allowed. No facts allowed. Nice post. Stay Safe.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sense and Sensibility was ironically named. Sensibility novels was the term for a certain kind of sentimental novel, all the rage when Jane was a teen. She loathed that rot and wrote in a keen, analytical, brilliant style. It's hard for us moderns to understand what a refreshing shock her writing was.

  168. @SafeNow
    So, when you tell blacks that they really really matter, they go out and murder more and drive crazier. The Ferguson effect did that, I guess. But what if there is more at work than the Ferguson effect? In other words, when you tell black people that they really really matter, they are so great, they go out and do other things differently. All sorts of things. I guess this is like giving a participation trophy to all of the child athletes, in other words, telling the last-place runners how great they are. How does this affect them?

    Replies: @Element59, @Nicholas Stix, @jsm

    How does this affect them?

    Surely, they know they’re being lied to. They know they’re not great; they know we’re just patronizing them. And us saying it just ticks ’em off, which is why they up their efforts at anti-socialism.

  169. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, both Taiwan and Ukraine seem to have a high potential of dragging us into WW3 akin to how how Belgium dragged the British Empire into WW1.

    https://travelpast50.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/remember-belgium.jpg

    I think the Saker, Pepe Escobar, and Micheal Hudson are right on the money with how things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are creating rival economic blocs/systems to the US dollar. If things go hot in Ukraine, that’ll make the supply chain issues we’ve had so far look like just a 5min wait. So maybe stock up on canned food and dehydrated food buckets. I’ve got mine.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/iran-russia-hit-maximum-strategy/

    https://www.deluxecctv.com/images/products/large_3075_ReadyWise_720_Serving_Emergency_Supply_Food_Vegetable_Buckets.png

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    OK, now I get it. I don’t understand why Ukraine affects the supply chain, but I get your point. I don’t buy it though. If the Confederates could get around a naval blockade, we should be able to work out supply chain issues. We’re just incompetent, dude. No war necessary.

    Cooler heads like Scott Ritter and Gilbert Doctorow don’t think the Russians are going to invade – they’re just doing the military exercise thing. They’re neither crazy nor naive – unlike our leaders. They have a high tolerance for American bullshit. Higher than we have of Russian bullshit. If the Russians sponsored a pro-Russian coup in Mexico, we’d go apeshit. Come to think of it, we might even protect our southern border, but I digress.

    But these things have a habit of taking on a life of their own, so who knows?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s the Heartland theory coming to life. That Russia, China, and Iran are becoming increasingly economically integrated to avoid SWIFT sanctions. Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

    https://youtu.be/otQPFXW4rKk

    https://image1.slideserve.com/3112108/slide13-n.jpg

    https://doc-research.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/one-belt-one-road-1861x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

  170. @Kronos
    @Goatweed

    If there is an increase it’ll be interesting to see the breakdown between city hipsters and working class white people. The former has more money to loot, but are typically harder to sneak up on and mug.

    https://i.imgflip.com/4c2gbs.jpg

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @Sean, @Clyde, @jsm

    This is a FtM trans, for sure. Truly tragic that in America of 2020 the “solution” offered to pathetically ugly girls is to turn them into even more pathetic-looking and ugly fake-men.

  171. @Kratoklastes
    @JMcG


    I really don’t like how coarsened I’ve become, but I just can’t bring myself to care any longer.
     
    That's an easy conclusion to reach, but it's based on a false premise - namely, that becoming inured to an ever-growing amount of information about people you will never meet, is the same as being 'coarsened'.

    I might be wrong, but my guess would be that you haven't lost a single iota of care for people in the closest of a set of widening 'circles of giving a fuck' as outlined by Hierocles (at least as recounted by Stobaeus in Florilegium) - as reproduced on Reddit.

    https://i.redd.it/z5zl3bpkni501.jpg

    My second guess would be that most sensible people would consider your set of circles appropriate in both size and scope.

    We would all collapse in a gibbering heap if we tried to care the same amount about an arbitrary person who was on the receiving end of a random act of violence - say, Brianna Kupfer - as we cared if the same thing had happened to someone at 1°KB (one degree of Kevin Bacon - i.e., a friend of a friend), let alone at 0°KB (someone you know personally).

    I take things further - inside 0°KB there's a 'core' - genetically-related plus The Lovely (together, 'family'); then close friends; then direct acquaintances and work colleagues.

    My rough rule of thumb is that for each °KB outside 0°KB it takes an order of magnitude for a death to elicit the same approximate emotional response - and past 3°KB it's just noise at an individual level.

    So it would take ~10⁵ Brianna Kupfers to make me as sad as it would if I knew Brianna Kupfer personally.

    If Brianna Kupfer was my mother, sister, daughter or partner, entirely different.

    It would take about 100 deaths of people I know at one remove, to elicit the same response as the death of my parents, or siblings, or The Lovely.

    "Should we shoot your parents, or 200 your friends' friends" is not a hard question - 200 people are gonna die and I'm going to feel less bad than I would otherwise.

    "If you don't kill your cat, a black man will stab a white girl somewhere in the US in five minutes." - sorry, unknown girl, you're fucked.

    Makes me sound like a sociopath, but imagine how dysfunctional people would be if they treated every earthquake, hurricane, tsunami, or murder victim, as if it was their kin. We would get nothing done because we would be in tears most days.

    We live in a time of emotional amplification: we get to see horrible shit (and heart-warming shit too) from all corners of the Earth in pretty-much real time. That hasn't been the case for most of human history: we might hear about some atrocity (or some natural disaster) six months after it happened, if at all.

    If we don't compartmentalise that shit, we wind up unable to cope.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Makes me sound like a sociopath

    Not sure whether I should say this, but here goes…

    You’ve got nothing on me, son. I care more about my pet parrot’s toe than I care about the entire continent of Africa.

    • Agree: JMcG
  172. Where do targeted killings fall in Sailer’s taxonomy of murders?

    They’re not spree shootings, mass shootings, spur of the moment can’t control oneself murders, one-on-one brutality look someone in the face and slaughter them, but stone-cold stalking and shooting?
    (Inglewood’s black, right? I don’t know all my LA nabes.)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/4-dead-1-injured-after-multiple-gunmen-carry-out-targeted-ambush-on-home/ar-AAT4fjf?ocid=msedgntp

  173. @Buffalo Joe
    @Recently Based

    RB, to the Wokesters emotion is reason. So, when one points out that all lives matter you are branded a racist or supremacist. No discourse allowed. No facts allowed. Nice post. Stay Safe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Sense and Sensibility was ironically named. Sensibility novels was the term for a certain kind of sentimental novel, all the rage when Jane was a teen. She loathed that rot and wrote in a keen, analytical, brilliant style. It’s hard for us moderns to understand what a refreshing shock her writing was.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  174. And right on cue Adams blames out-of-town guns, begs for federal a\$\$i\$tance and throws in a plug for Build Back Better … as another hapless subway rider gets pushed onto the tracks.

  175. @James Braxton
    Something that has struck me as odd is the way that almost as soon as the pandemic started, every single state health department put up a very slick, user friendly website documenting the covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, breaking them down by age, race, etc. and updating the totals daily.

    As far as I can tell, no government agencies do this for any other thing, such as crime, drug overdoses, traffic deaths, etc.

    Government numbers are usually posted after a long lag (if at all) and are typically not in an easy to digest format.

    I have two questions, (1) what was the mechanism that was put in place to allow all the state health departments to put up the covid tracker sites so quickly and in such a uniform fashion, and (2) now that we know it can be done, why couldn't there be something similar for all government statistics?

    Replies: @Alrenous

    That sort of thing happens all the time. You realize they’re perfectly capable of sudden bouts of competence – when it’s in their favour.

    E.g. you could do it yourself. Scrape the stats off the government website, reformat it to be readable, and slap some ads around it to pay yourself for the time and effort.

    Guess how long until the IRS audits you all of a sudden. Probably measured in seconds. Which is why it hasn’t already been done; I’m not the only one to know what would happen.

    When it comes time to get paid, all of a sudden, for both drug-addled street bums and the government, there’s no bumbling. The focus is razor lasers. Or laser razors, not 100% clear on that one.

  176. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, both Taiwan and Ukraine seem to have a high potential of dragging us into WW3 akin to how how Belgium dragged the British Empire into WW1.

    https://travelpast50.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/remember-belgium.jpg

    I think the Saker, Pepe Escobar, and Micheal Hudson are right on the money with how things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are creating rival economic blocs/systems to the US dollar. If things go hot in Ukraine, that’ll make the supply chain issues we’ve had so far look like just a 5min wait. So maybe stock up on canned food and dehydrated food buckets. I’ve got mine.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/iran-russia-hit-maximum-strategy/

    https://www.deluxecctv.com/images/products/large_3075_ReadyWise_720_Serving_Emergency_Supply_Food_Vegetable_Buckets.png

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Lots of good links here, right, left & center.

    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-russia-ukraine

    But Pat Lang is genuinely worried that a war is going to start. If nothing else he thinks the regime will use this to crack down on dissent and he’s actually making preparations for being taken off the air.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    What would happen if war were declared and there happened to be mass government worker death event clearly not coming from the enemy?

  177. @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man.”

    Blacks have always been responsible for a disproportionately high rate of murder and other violent crimes. There are a numbers of studies from 1880 on that remark upon it. The following is excerpted from Racial Integrity and Other Features of the Negro Problem by Alexander Harvey Shannon, written in 1907, which discusses the situation in Denver, whose population was 4% black.

    While conditions in Denver bear a strong resemblance to those in some of the Southern cities, there is a marked difference in the grade of crimes committed. From the first of May to the first of September, 1906, there were ten killings in Denver. Five of these, including the murder in cold blood of two police officers killed in the discharge of their duty, were the work of negroes. One negro was killed by a white man—who was acquitted because he acted in self defense—so that we have four per cent of the population committing fifty per cent and involved in sixty per cent of all killings during this period. Ten negroes and eleven whites were involved.

    This record is not sustained through any long period, but the negro commits vastly more than four per cent of the murders done in Denver. Of other crimes, he is credited with vastly more than four per cent, but he seems to become relatively less conspicuous upon the police records as we pass from murder, burglary, assault, etc., to the milder crimes and misdemeanors. This preeminence in crime is being noted, and is producing an effect unfavorable to the race as a whole.

  178. @Malcolm X-Lax
    @J.Ross

    I remember reading, courtesy of the Tuskeegee Institute, that (from memory) something like 8 blacks were lynched during the entire decade of the 1950's. That's a slow weekend in Baltimore or Chicago today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Right, and (also from memory) the entire death toll from lynching of blacks from 1865 onward worked out to something like 50 or 60 per year or 2 or 3 weeks worth in Chicago.

    As I mention in the other thread, this is how tribal societies operate. When members of the tribe kill each other, it’s a family matter and of no concern to other tribes. But if a member of your tribe is killed by a neighboring tribe, this is an insult to your whole tribe and cannot be ignored.

    There is a logic to this in that if the other tribe has impunity to kill even one member of your tribe, then they might take that impunity further and kill all of you. So you cannot allow that camel’s nose into your tent – even the slightest insult against the tribe must not be allowed.

  179. The following article appeared in TIME magazine in 1958, well before the Great Society programs so often blamed for black dysfunction. It discusses the alarmingly high rate of “Negro crime,” then raises issues that are still relevant today, such as the inclination to suppress this information or to blame the problem on racism.

    National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION
    Monday, Apr. 21, 1958

    THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North’s big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

    In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

    New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

    Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

    Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder’s Court were Negroes. Of last year’s 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

    Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

    San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year’s 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

    Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit’s Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: “The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers.”

    [MORE]

    But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: “When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as ‘typically Negro.’ ” Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

    Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a “conspiracy of concealment.” In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

    Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal’s race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

    In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the “conspiracy of concealment” helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

    Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

    Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

    Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

    Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

    “Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262-1,00.html

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, thank you for posting this but Time Magazine says their archives were hacked and they never said ANY of this. Capise? Stay safe.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @rebel yell
    @Harry Baldwin


    As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict.
     
    So someone at Time in 1958 knew that magic dirt doesn't work. In 2022 researchers such as Raj Chetty haven't heard about this yet.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration,
     
    1958 or 2022, it is unthinkable to say genetics. As long as genetics cannot be discussed, white sin is the only other answer, and integration with and reduction of whites the only solution.
    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Harry Baldwin

    Change the date and substitute negro with African American/black, and this reads like any current NY Times/WaPo article today.

  180. @anonymouseperson
    @Kronos

    Belgium did not drag the British empire into WW1. London used it as an excuse to enter the war of its own choice.


    Which was one of the stupidest decisions the British ever made in their history. Probably second only to the insane pledge to Poland in 1939.

    Replies: @Kronos

    The vast majority of the populace had no idea about that secret treaty. Sure the higher ups new about it and used it as a pretense for war, but the general populace couldn’t protest what they thought didn’t exist. Had they only known…

    https://alphahistory.com/worldwar1/treaty-of-london-1839/

  181. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    He said that the Russians are never giving Crimea back and that we should accept this. Never say never. In 1970, did we think that the Russians were going to pull out of the East Bloc, let alone allow Ukraine to become an independent country?

    Putin violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force. As a practical matter, we let it go TEMPORARILY (even if temporarily might mean until after Putin is dead or 50 years) because no one was interested in starting a war over this. Once you recognize the principle that if you change borders by force the weaklings of NATO will accept the fait accompli, this encourages the aggressor to keep going. Putin has already gotten that message - why make it even more crystal clear to him? The German (surface) Navy sucked even under the Nazis and now it's an even bigger joke. What good is this clown if his only function is to surrender to the Russians? We already have the French for that.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again? Why not the eastern half of Germany? Putin makes no secret that his dream is putting back the status quo before 1989 (whether or not the other countries involved like it or not). We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Paperback Writer, @JMcG, @William Badwhite

    Putin Clinton violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force.

    You were of course referring to Kosovo. FIFY.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again?

    Why not Poland, why not Canada, then Australia! So far Russian “aggression” has been within the borders of the former USSR (the existence of which was in itself a monstrous crime) and in areas dominated by ethnic Russians. Wake me up when Putin goes beyond that.

    We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs

    Do let us know which armed service you join.

    • Thanks: sayless
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @William Badwhite

    He served in the jurist caste, which is orders of magnitude above the idiots dumb enough to sign up to serve their country.

  182. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    OK, now I get it. I don't understand why Ukraine affects the supply chain, but I get your point. I don't buy it though. If the Confederates could get around a naval blockade, we should be able to work out supply chain issues. We're just incompetent, dude. No war necessary.

    Cooler heads like Scott Ritter and Gilbert Doctorow don't think the Russians are going to invade - they're just doing the military exercise thing. They're neither crazy nor naive - unlike our leaders. They have a high tolerance for American bullshit. Higher than we have of Russian bullshit. If the Russians sponsored a pro-Russian coup in Mexico, we'd go apeshit. Come to think of it, we might even protect our southern border, but I digress.

    But these things have a habit of taking on a life of their own, so who knows?

    Replies: @Kronos

    It’s the Heartland theory coming to life. That Russia, China, and Iran are becoming increasingly economically integrated to avoid SWIFT sanctions. Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kronos

    Who drew the One Belt, One Road map?

    The Silk Road goes thru the middle of the Black Sea and the maritime road goes by land thru former Yugoslavia? Venice is located where Munich is? The Chinese are going to dig a canal connecting Eilat to Haifa? Whut?

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos


    Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

     

    Don't get cocky. It'll take a lot for that to happen.

    Anyway, I note that that map bypasses Haifa.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/us-presses-israel-on-haifa-port-amid-china-espionage-concerns-sources/

    Wikipedia:

    In the maritime silk road, which is already the route for more than half of all containers in the world, deepwater ports are being expanded, logistical hubs are being built and new traffic routes are being created in the hinterland. The maritime silk road runs with its connections from the Chinese coast to the south via Hanoi to Jakarta, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur through the Strait of Malacca via the Sri Lankan Colombo towards the southern tip of India via Malé, the capital of the Maldives, to the East African Mombasa, from there to Djibouti, then through the Red Sea via the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean, there via Haifa, Istanbul and Athens to the Upper Adriatic region to the northern Italian hub of Trieste with its international free port and its rail connections to Central Europe and the North Sea.
     

    Replies: @Kronos

  183. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Paperback Writer

    It's a lot crazier than what you wrote. The actual Ukrainians who are eager to fight are authentic Nazis. And the Ukrainian PM's (he was previously a professional comedian) top oligarch backer is a James Bond villain who keeps a shark tank in his office.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Correct. The more I read the sicker it seems. Ukraine is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Ukrainians – orthodox Slavic-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    More about Crimea:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/03/george-f-kennans-prediction-on-nato-expansion-was-right.html

    Their annexation of Crima was a completely predictable response to our outrageous interference in Ukraine’s internal affairs.

    Of all people (or perhaps not) George Kennan was against expanding NATO way back in the late 90s. He’d be aghast at this latest bullshit.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Paperback Writer

    Hollywood's take on Soviet Ukraine circa 1943. Enjoy the then national anthem of the USSR, "The Internationale" at around 42 min in; note the made in Chicago Hallicrafters radios doing duty as Russkie comms.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjVjcBetz9k

  184. @William Badwhite
    @Jack D


    Putin Clinton violated the post-WWII principle that European borders should not be determined by force.
     
    You were of course referring to Kosovo. FIFY.

    If the Russian sphere of influence/ Russian territory extends to wherever Russian tanks are capable of going, then why not Poland again?
     
    Why not Poland, why not Canada, then Australia! So far Russian "aggression" has been within the borders of the former USSR (the existence of which was in itself a monstrous crime) and in areas dominated by ethnic Russians. Wake me up when Putin goes beyond that.

    We need to make it clear to him that the USSR lost the Cold War and there are no do-overs
     
    Do let us know which armed service you join.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He served in the jurist caste, which is orders of magnitude above the idiots dumb enough to sign up to serve their country.

  185. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    Lots of good links here, right, left & center.

    https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/show-notes-russia-ukraine

    But Pat Lang is genuinely worried that a war is going to start. If nothing else he thinks the regime will use this to crack down on dissent and he's actually making preparations for being taken off the air.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    What would happen if war were declared and there happened to be mass government worker death event clearly not coming from the enemy?

  186. @Brutusale
    @AnotherDad


    People who insist that other people–who are not interested–must live with them, be part of their nation, be ruled by them or bake their wedding cakes, etc. etc. are assholes.
     
    Seems the iSteve warmongers consist of Jack and Art. The "you and him fight" thing that seems to be genetic now.

    But we're all tools of Putin!

    Replies: @Rob

    Speaking of tools of Putin, the fact that Russia is doing this Ukraine thing now is pretty solid proof that Trump was not a Russian stooge. If he had been, then the Trump era would have been the right time.

    After all, Biden is a Strong President, unlike the former guy.

    How was that for succint, PBW?

  187. @Paperback Writer
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Correct. The more I read the sicker it seems. Ukraine is a fake country - it's a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Ukrainians - orthodox Slavic-speaking peasants - were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    More about Crimea:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/03/george-f-kennans-prediction-on-nato-expansion-was-right.html

    Their annexation of Crima was a completely predictable response to our outrageous interference in Ukraine's internal affairs.

    Of all people (or perhaps not) George Kennan was against expanding NATO way back in the late 90s. He'd be aghast at this latest bullshit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don’t love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent – having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it’s as real a country as any other country. I’ve been there and I’ve seen it and it’s not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don’t want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can’t say that America is doing this “for Israel”, or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don’t make up dumb “those grapes were sour anyway” type excuses.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, you know Canadians were England's stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America's northern border. Most of Canada's industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    In a choice between Jack D and George Kennan, I go with Kennan any day.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    This is a nonsense statement. There's no such thing as a 'fake country'. That aside, 55% of the respondents to the 1921 census listed their nationality as 'English', 'Scotch', or 'Irish', and another 16% listed 'French'. About 20% offered no response. About 10% listed other European nationalities.

    In re Quebec, it's also a calumny. Quebec voted against conscription in a 1942 referendum. Conscription was also a contentious issue in Quebec during the 1st world war as well. It's not difficult to see the distinction between that stance and being 'pro-Nazi'. Note also that 16% of respondents in the 1921 census listed their nationality as 'French'. French Canadians accounted for about 14% of those who enlisted during the 2d world war. The political spectrum in Quebec at that time was quite ordinary and did not include any fascist parties of any consequence.

    file:///C:/Users/cindy/AppData/Local/Temp/admin,+15+CJS_V21+Granatstein.pdf

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    I'll say up front I don't want America involved in more foreign adventures, because:
    1. You and I don't really know what should happen in Ukraine. Is big bad Russia attacking little Ukraine, or is the US using Ukraine to start a war on Russia's border? Did the people of Crimea vote with honest hearts to join Russia or were they coerced? Are Russians right to resist NATO expansion to their borders like we resisted Russian missiles in Cuba, or are they looking for an excuse for conquest of their neighbors? You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true? That's a good reason to stay out. We can still have plenty of wars to fight close to home where we know what we are doing.
    2. It's just not in our national security interest. If Russia retakes not only Ukraine but all of eastern Europe, it doesn't threaten Topeka, Kansas. It's a great advantage to live in the Western Hemisphere and we should enjoy that advantage.
    3. I won't get any money out of it. If wars are fought for money, and they probably are, then only a few assholes on Wall Street and Washington will profit from this. Even if I accept as base an excuse for war as profit, these wars don't benefit me.
    4. I don't want a million Ukrainian refugees coming here. If we fight them over there, they will immigrate here. How can anyone not have figured this out yet?
    5. Not interested in arguments about "don't appease the evil dictator". I can ignore that evil dictator over there, if in fact that is what Putin is, and deal with him well enough if and when he gets closer to over here. That's a good way to stay out of many unnecessary wars and only fight the necessary ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Jack has a point: we all remember when the Japanese Empire encouraged democracy in Hawaii, and, as a result, cut off our Pacific Fleet. Sometimes you just have to accept losing a navy and letting a mortal enemy set up shop next door. It's like when your cheese gets moved, or like when we allowed al-Qaeda to take over the government of Canada. And all the more reason to stop defending borders.

  188. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s the Heartland theory coming to life. That Russia, China, and Iran are becoming increasingly economically integrated to avoid SWIFT sanctions. Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

    https://youtu.be/otQPFXW4rKk

    https://image1.slideserve.com/3112108/slide13-n.jpg

    https://doc-research.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/one-belt-one-road-1861x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Who drew the One Belt, One Road map?

    The Silk Road goes thru the middle of the Black Sea and the maritime road goes by land thru former Yugoslavia? Venice is located where Munich is? The Chinese are going to dig a canal connecting Eilat to Haifa? Whut?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Jack D

    I found it from here.

    https://doc-research.org/2019/06/italys-race-after-the-mou-on-the-silk-road/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  189. @Paperback Writer
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Correct. The more I read the sicker it seems. Ukraine is a fake country - it's a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Ukrainians - orthodox Slavic-speaking peasants - were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    More about Crimea:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/03/george-f-kennans-prediction-on-nato-expansion-was-right.html

    Their annexation of Crima was a completely predictable response to our outrageous interference in Ukraine's internal affairs.

    Of all people (or perhaps not) George Kennan was against expanding NATO way back in the late 90s. He'd be aghast at this latest bullshit.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Joe Stalin

    Hollywood’s take on Soviet Ukraine circa 1943. Enjoy the then national anthem of the USSR, “The Internationale” at around 42 min in; note the made in Chicago Hallicrafters radios doing duty as Russkie comms.

  190. @Jack D
    @Kronos

    Who drew the One Belt, One Road map?

    The Silk Road goes thru the middle of the Black Sea and the maritime road goes by land thru former Yugoslavia? Venice is located where Munich is? The Chinese are going to dig a canal connecting Eilat to Haifa? Whut?

    Replies: @Kronos

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    The Chinese have sunk lots of money into two Med ports that I know of: Piraeus and Haifa. You can google lots of links.

    The one in Haifa has raised the hackles of the US Dept of Defense. Guess who backed down.

    I discovered this not long after the Afghanistan debacle. It doesn't seem to have been mentioned or noticed by the Regime media, which means that it's a big deal, but the Regime doesn't want things to get out of hand. I can imagine the consternation in middle America when they find out that their greatest ally isn't.

    Replies: @Alden

  191. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar

    Anyway, forced integration/assimilation has taken a huge toll on Whites.

    The issue of slavery, conquest, etc. is another topic. By the way, Whites also brought horses with them to North America along with pigs. We just never wanted them to be part of the polity.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Horses contributed as much to building this country as blacks. Probably more.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost, well, horses were brought over by the Spanish starting with Columbus. But, in your defense, horses running free in Detroit, Baltimore,Compton, St. lousis, Kansas City et al, might be less of a problem than...well you know whom. Stay Safe.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paperback Writer

    , @Truth
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The average horse doesn't contribute as much to this country as you do...

    He doesn't spew as much SHIT!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG7gqet7nY

  192. @Harry Baldwin
    The following article appeared in TIME magazine in 1958, well before the Great Society programs so often blamed for black dysfunction. It discusses the alarmingly high rate of "Negro crime," then raises issues that are still relevant today, such as the inclination to suppress this information or to blame the problem on racism.

    National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION
    Monday, Apr. 21, 1958

    THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North's big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

    In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

    New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

    Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

    Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder's Court were Negroes. Of last year's 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

    Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

    San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year's 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

    Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit's Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: "The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers."


    But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: "When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as 'typically Negro.' " Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

    Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a "conspiracy of concealment." In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

    Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal's race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

    In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the "conspiracy of concealment" helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

    Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

    Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

    Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

    Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

    "Slam enough doors in a man's face, and he may break one of them down," said San Francisco's Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won't be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262-1,00.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @rebel yell, @Sick 'n Tired

    Harry, thank you for posting this but Time Magazine says their archives were hacked and they never said ANY of this. Capise? Stay safe.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yeah, that's not true. The article is up on Time's website.

    I'm guessing you were trying to be funny/sarcastic.

    A-ha-HAH. Boffo stuff.

  193. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    Jack, you know Canadians were England’s stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America’s northern border. Most of Canada’s industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, my Great Uncle was killed in front of Beaumont-Hamel on the Somme on July 1, 1916, probably about ten minutes after leaving his trench. 450 of his battalion mates died alongside him. An hour later, 750 men of Newfoundland died charging the same machine guns. Those poor guys never even made it as far as their own front line. Let the useless pricks in Washington and London and Paris do the fighting. To hell with all of them.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    I don't bother yammering with Jack D anymore, other than to point out his more egregious mistakes.

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not. But any rational person can see the point I was making. A settler society with mostly immigrant stock is as real and organic as any other society. But Ukraine (or THE Ukraine) is a borderland with a complex history and no fixed identity. I don't really care about it. The smart thing would be for the US to leave Ukraine as the buffer zone it is. But that would be too intelligent.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JMcG

    , @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    About 1.7% of the male population of Canada perished during the 1st world war. Regrettable, but not a loss which made mass immigration a necessity.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JMcG

    , @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Most of Canada’s industry was American owned

    Where did you come across that assertion?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  194. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Horses contributed as much to building this country as blacks. Probably more.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    Ghost, well, horses were brought over by the Spanish starting with Columbus. But, in your defense, horses running free in Detroit, Baltimore,Compton, St. lousis, Kansas City et al, might be less of a problem than…well you know whom. Stay Safe.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Buffalo Joe

    Of course, Joe, isn't that the analogy? I'll bet anything more horses helped build the subways and the Brooklyn Bridge:

    http://libapps.libraries.uc.edu/liblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/horses_at_site.jpg

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    You'll be heartbroken to learn that cop killer, career criminal, and true Scotsman LaShawn McNeil died of his wounds after a brave shootout with two policeman during a domestic violence call.

  195. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, you know Canadians were England's stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America's northern border. Most of Canada's industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Joe, my Great Uncle was killed in front of Beaumont-Hamel on the Somme on July 1, 1916, probably about ten minutes after leaving his trench. 450 of his battalion mates died alongside him. An hour later, 750 men of Newfoundland died charging the same machine guns. Those poor guys never even made it as far as their own front line. Let the useless pricks in Washington and London and Paris do the fighting. To hell with all of them.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  196. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    In a choice between Jack D and George Kennan, I go with Kennan any day.

    • Agree: Alden, J.Ross
  197. @HammerJack
    @Art Deco

    As you should know, Patrick Buchanan won the New Hampshire primary.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Rick Santorum placed first in popular balloting in 11 primaries and caucuses in 2012. He disappeared without a trace four years later.

  198. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, you know Canadians were England's stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America's northern border. Most of Canada's industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Joe,

    I don’t bother yammering with Jack D anymore, other than to point out his more egregious mistakes.

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not. But any rational person can see the point I was making. A settler society with mostly immigrant stock is as real and organic as any other society. But Ukraine (or THE Ukraine) is a borderland with a complex history and no fixed identity. I don’t really care about it. The smart thing would be for the US to leave Ukraine as the buffer zone it is. But that would be too intelligent.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not.

    This is also a stupid remark. The Ukraine is actually much more homogeneous in ethnic identification than Canada has ever been and the main languages there are both drawn from the Slavic taxon. It's no more religiously bifurcated than Canada - there are Orthodox under a multiplicity of hierarchies and there are Byzantine-rite Catholics. It's of ample area and population and has a half-dozen cities which would in population qualify as 2d tier in any occidental country. Again, local sentiment in favor of annexation by Russia is a single-digit minority viewpoint and it is a minority in every segment of the country. There used to be a considerable constituency in favor of a Russophile orientation in foreigh policy (at >40% of the population), but that segment's been reduced to about 16% of the total and is modal only in the Donetsk and Lukhansk regions. Russian diplomacy the last 10 years has been...deft.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @JMcG
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s a very simple thought experiment to imagine the effect of Canada being welcomed into the Warsaw Pact. Hell, the Zimmerman Telegram was a proximate cause of our getting roped into the Great War. I remember being outraged when first learning of it at age ten or so. Those duplicitous Germans!

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  199. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, you know Canadians were England's stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America's northern border. Most of Canada's industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    About 1.7% of the male population of Canada perished during the 1st world war. Regrettable, but not a loss which made mass immigration a necessity.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, thank you for your reply, not going to argue with you but that 1.7% was probably the best of the best. Young, eager and able. Stay safe.

    , @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Regrettable.

  200. It’s an interesting chart.

    Eyeballing it, murder declines from 2008 to 2011. This is odd; because unemployment was increasing for much of this period.

    Then flat from 2012-14.

    Then up from 2015 (Ferguson) to the present, with a huge increase in 2020.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @Not Raul

    They were riding the high of Obama being elected, thinking he was going to pay all their bills, but like everything, eventually the bloom wears off the rose and people fall back into their familiar habits.

  201. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    I found it from here.

    https://doc-research.org/2019/06/italys-race-after-the-mou-on-the-silk-road/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    The Chinese have sunk lots of money into two Med ports that I know of: Piraeus and Haifa. You can google lots of links.

    The one in Haifa has raised the hackles of the US Dept of Defense. Guess who backed down.

    I discovered this not long after the Afghanistan debacle. It doesn’t seem to have been mentioned or noticed by the Regime media, which means that it’s a big deal, but the Regime doesn’t want things to get out of hand. I can imagine the consternation in middle America when they find out that their greatest ally isn’t.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Paperback Writer

    The Israelis sold every bit of information Jonathan Pollard stole to China. Israel has lots of investments in sub Sahara Africa. So does China. Working together they can steal more than as rivals.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  202. @Arclight
    @bomag

    The worm will turn, just like it did in the early 90s - it got so bad that black Members of Congress were proposing tougher law enforcement because their own constituents were howling for it. The current insanity is a product of white progressives and black activists that are far downstream from the primary effects of this lunacy. However, it will eventually sink in to them too as they find themselves avoiding larger and larger parts of the places they inhabit as the disorder spreads.

    But between now and then are years and thousands of bodies, and rest assured the perpetrators of this madness will never be held to account.

    Replies: @Alden

    It’s Lenin’s one step back two steps forward. It took about 25 years, 1965 to 1990 for normal people to begin to elect law and order candidates. Clinton Guiliani Harris to replace ultra liberal Hallinan as district attorney.

    And it took until about 1995 30 years to get the laws in place and shut up the blacks and liberals.

    So, about 15 years 1995 to 2010 of moderate crime and it appeared as if gentrification was working and America would get back to normal. But much of that was Hispanic Asian Mid East etc immigration and their kids civilizing the schools. Plus tough immigrants did more to gentrify the cities than all the middle class Whites afraid to defend themselves against vicious blacks

    Black crime and politicians and Jews cravenly submitting to it are as bad as it’s been since the 1960s when civil rights came in with a wave of riots and black crime.

    Industry left the cities long ago. Work from home means the FIRE sector can leave soon. Why pay monstrous rents when the workers can work from home and need much lesser wages because no more commuting expenses and cheaper rural housing?

    The elites have something planned. It will be as important as the move to the suburbs after WW2. Remember that move was greatly accelerated by the steady conquest of section after section of the cities by the Black Plague.

    Look at how fast gay marriage was legalized by judges not elected legislators. Every single anti gay marriage referendum was overturned by judges . Then on to trans bathrooms in just one year. Men in women’s sports is trivial. But schools brainwashing elementary school kids they are trans is an extreme extreme anti normal event in human history.

    I’ve seen liberal strategy for 50 years. Propose something so extreme it fails. Then propose the same thing but a little less extreme and it succeeds. Then on to the next extreme thing.

    Don’t forget non White immigrants which includes Hispanics Indians Arabs even Persian Armenians and Russians. They are solid democrat voters Beverly Hills Persians voted for Trump. 10th generation Texas New Mexico Hispanics vote Republican. BFD., Glendale Pasadena Ca used to be Republican 25 years ago. Because of the American Armenians. Then the towns were flooded with Hispanics and have been solidly democrat ever since. The new Armenians have been on soviet refugee welfare for 30 years. They have businesses too. But still get that soviet refugee welfare.

    Bay Area Asians vote solidly democrat no matter what outraged blacks and White liberals commit against them.

    Look at your own area. You’ll see the same patterns.

    So what if Beverly Hills Persians and Texas 10th generation Hispanics vote republican. They are a drop in the ocean of solid democrat voters.

    There are a lot more than 30 percent Asians in San Francisco. And look at who they elect.

    It’s the same everywhere. NYC is full of White and Asian immigrants look at who they elect. Solid pro black criminal democrats and district attorneys. De Blasio third generation communist and now Adams. Who is probably a long term black panther black Muslim mole.

    From Dinkins to Soros DA Blagg in 30 years.

    • Agree: JMcG
  203. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    This is a nonsense statement. There’s no such thing as a ‘fake country’. That aside, 55% of the respondents to the 1921 census listed their nationality as ‘English’, ‘Scotch’, or ‘Irish’, and another 16% listed ‘French’. About 20% offered no response. About 10% listed other European nationalities.

    In re Quebec, it’s also a calumny. Quebec voted against conscription in a 1942 referendum. Conscription was also a contentious issue in Quebec during the 1st world war as well. It’s not difficult to see the distinction between that stance and being ‘pro-Nazi’. Note also that 16% of respondents in the 1921 census listed their nationality as ‘French’. French Canadians accounted for about 14% of those who enlisted during the 2d world war. The political spectrum in Quebec at that time was quite ordinary and did not include any fascist parties of any consequence.

    file:///C:/Users/cindy/AppData/Local/Temp/admin,+15+CJS_V21+Granatstein.pdf

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    AD - you are WAY too literal minded sometimes. Sometimes I wonder if you are an AI bot or whether your taking things too literally is some kind of shtick, like Tiny Duck.

    Of course it is a nonsense statement. I was just pointing out that NEITHER Canada nor Ukraine is a "fake country" by mirroring PW absurd formulation of what makes a country "fake".

    As you point out, in the realm of "fakeness" (whatever that is) , Ukraine is less "fake" than Canada. Culturally and linguistically, Vancouver is much more similar to Seattle than Kyiv is to Moscow. You could make a much better case (not that it would be a good one) for incorporating English speaking Canada into the US than you could for incorporating Ukraine into Russia.

    Putin's whole "we are all the same people" shtick would be a lot more convincing if people on both sides of the border believed it. The relationship between Russia and Ukraine is very much like that of a stalker and his ex-girlfriend.

    Putin now reminds me of the famous mural that was put up on the Berlin Wall.

    It was a picture (taken from an actual photograph) of Brezhnev passionately kissing Honecker on the lips and the caption was:

    Mein Gott, hilf mir, diese tödliche Liebe zu überleben!

    My God, help me to survive this deadly love!


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-F088809-0038%2C_Berlin%2C_East_Side_Gallery.jpg

    This is exactly what the people of Ukraine must be thinking right now.

  204. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    I don't bother yammering with Jack D anymore, other than to point out his more egregious mistakes.

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not. But any rational person can see the point I was making. A settler society with mostly immigrant stock is as real and organic as any other society. But Ukraine (or THE Ukraine) is a borderland with a complex history and no fixed identity. I don't really care about it. The smart thing would be for the US to leave Ukraine as the buffer zone it is. But that would be too intelligent.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JMcG

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not.

    This is also a stupid remark. The Ukraine is actually much more homogeneous in ethnic identification than Canada has ever been and the main languages there are both drawn from the Slavic taxon. It’s no more religiously bifurcated than Canada – there are Orthodox under a multiplicity of hierarchies and there are Byzantine-rite Catholics. It’s of ample area and population and has a half-dozen cities which would in population qualify as 2d tier in any occidental country. Again, local sentiment in favor of annexation by Russia is a single-digit minority viewpoint and it is a minority in every segment of the country. There used to be a considerable constituency in favor of a Russophile orientation in foreigh policy (at >40% of the population), but that segment’s been reduced to about 16% of the total and is modal only in the Donetsk and Lukhansk regions. Russian diplomacy the last 10 years has been…deft.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    I'm not the one who brought in the absolutely ridiculous comparison of THE Ukraine to Canada, bud. I was simply responding to one of Jack's idiocies - always a bad option, for obvious reasons. I said once that responding to Jack only got one lost in a thicket of weeds, and boy, was I right.

    Obviously, when I said that THE Ukraine is a fake country, I didn't mean that literally. I did mean that the definition of Ukraine (with or without the preceding definite article) has changed over the centuries. And in any case, it's of zero consequence to Americans what its borders are, or if it disappears from the face of the earth. Not so with Canada.

    Again, I refer all of you back to George Kennan himself, who opposed the expansion of NATO in 1997. Wise man.


    The view, bluntly stated, is that expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.

     

    https://archive.is/wZ2gG
  205. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    The Chinese have sunk lots of money into two Med ports that I know of: Piraeus and Haifa. You can google lots of links.

    The one in Haifa has raised the hackles of the US Dept of Defense. Guess who backed down.

    I discovered this not long after the Afghanistan debacle. It doesn't seem to have been mentioned or noticed by the Regime media, which means that it's a big deal, but the Regime doesn't want things to get out of hand. I can imagine the consternation in middle America when they find out that their greatest ally isn't.

    Replies: @Alden

    The Israelis sold every bit of information Jonathan Pollard stole to China. Israel has lots of investments in sub Sahara Africa. So does China. Working together they can steal more than as rivals.

    • Agree: JMcG, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Alden

    I don't know much about that. The internet has a bunch of junk links. If you have any good ones I'd appreciate it.

  206. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, you know Canadians were England's stooges in WWI and WWII. No way any country was invading America's northern border. Most of Canada's industry was American owned but yet they send their sons to be slaughtered in the trenches and later across Europe. And what did they get in return? A need to import immigrants to replenish their lost men.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Most of Canada’s industry was American owned

    Where did you come across that assertion?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, I was born and raised in Buffalo and still live in WNY. When I was a kid and actually into young adulthood, visiting Canada was like visiting another part of the US except you had to declare your citizenship and purpose of your trip before giving them a quarter and crossing a bridge (any of four) into Canada. A quick ride up the QEW took you past factories with American names, such as Ford and GM. Major employers. Ontario was and is resource rich and many of the developers were from Buffalo. Probably too broad a statement but research Canadian industry and well....

    Replies: @Art Deco

  207. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    About 1.7% of the male population of Canada perished during the 1st world war. Regrettable, but not a loss which made mass immigration a necessity.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JMcG

    Art, thank you for your reply, not going to argue with you but that 1.7% was probably the best of the best. Young, eager and able. Stay safe.

  208. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Most of Canada’s industry was American owned

    Where did you come across that assertion?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Art, I was born and raised in Buffalo and still live in WNY. When I was a kid and actually into young adulthood, visiting Canada was like visiting another part of the US except you had to declare your citizenship and purpose of your trip before giving them a quarter and crossing a bridge (any of four) into Canada. A quick ride up the QEW took you past factories with American names, such as Ford and GM. Major employers. Ontario was and is resource rich and many of the developers were from Buffalo. Probably too broad a statement but research Canadian industry and well….

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    I was 70 miles to the east, so it required putting some miles on the car. That's the way I remember it, however. Haven't been over the border since 1997, though, and that trip was to Quebec City. Canada had a great deal of prestige where I lived ca. 1973, considered clean and orderly in a way we weren't any more.

  209. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s the Heartland theory coming to life. That Russia, China, and Iran are becoming increasingly economically integrated to avoid SWIFT sanctions. Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

    https://youtu.be/otQPFXW4rKk

    https://image1.slideserve.com/3112108/slide13-n.jpg

    https://doc-research.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/one-belt-one-road-1861x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

    Don’t get cocky. It’ll take a lot for that to happen.

    Anyway, I note that that map bypasses Haifa.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/us-presses-israel-on-haifa-port-amid-china-espionage-concerns-sources/

    Wikipedia:

    In the maritime silk road, which is already the route for more than half of all containers in the world, deepwater ports are being expanded, logistical hubs are being built and new traffic routes are being created in the hinterland. The maritime silk road runs with its connections from the Chinese coast to the south via Hanoi to Jakarta, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur through the Strait of Malacca via the Sri Lankan Colombo towards the southern tip of India via Malé, the capital of the Maldives, to the East African Mombasa, from there to Djibouti, then through the Red Sea via the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean, there via Haifa, Istanbul and Athens to the Upper Adriatic region to the northern Italian hub of Trieste with its international free port and its rail connections to Central Europe and the North Sea.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer


    Don’t get cocky. It’ll take a lot for that to happen.
     
    I’m not being cocky, and for the most part not happy about it either. A lot of stuff is happening on the economic/financial front that frankly terrifies me. Soon China might get fed up with our worthless dollars and increasingly dysfunctional elite. What do Chinese intelligence officers make of the New York Times?


    https://www.flowbank.com/hubfs/us%20m1%20.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  210. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not.

    This is also a stupid remark. The Ukraine is actually much more homogeneous in ethnic identification than Canada has ever been and the main languages there are both drawn from the Slavic taxon. It's no more religiously bifurcated than Canada - there are Orthodox under a multiplicity of hierarchies and there are Byzantine-rite Catholics. It's of ample area and population and has a half-dozen cities which would in population qualify as 2d tier in any occidental country. Again, local sentiment in favor of annexation by Russia is a single-digit minority viewpoint and it is a minority in every segment of the country. There used to be a considerable constituency in favor of a Russophile orientation in foreigh policy (at >40% of the population), but that segment's been reduced to about 16% of the total and is modal only in the Donetsk and Lukhansk regions. Russian diplomacy the last 10 years has been...deft.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I’m not the one who brought in the absolutely ridiculous comparison of THE Ukraine to Canada, bud. I was simply responding to one of Jack’s idiocies – always a bad option, for obvious reasons. I said once that responding to Jack only got one lost in a thicket of weeds, and boy, was I right.

    Obviously, when I said that THE Ukraine is a fake country, I didn’t mean that literally. I did mean that the definition of Ukraine (with or without the preceding definite article) has changed over the centuries. And in any case, it’s of zero consequence to Americans what its borders are, or if it disappears from the face of the earth. Not so with Canada.

    Again, I refer all of you back to George Kennan himself, who opposed the expansion of NATO in 1997. Wise man.

    The view, bluntly stated, is that expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.

    https://archive.is/wZ2gG

    • Agree: mc23
  211. @Harry Baldwin
    The following article appeared in TIME magazine in 1958, well before the Great Society programs so often blamed for black dysfunction. It discusses the alarmingly high rate of "Negro crime," then raises issues that are still relevant today, such as the inclination to suppress this information or to blame the problem on racism.

    National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION
    Monday, Apr. 21, 1958

    THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North's big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

    In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

    New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

    Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

    Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder's Court were Negroes. Of last year's 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

    Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

    San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year's 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

    Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit's Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: "The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers."


    But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: "When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as 'typically Negro.' " Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

    Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a "conspiracy of concealment." In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

    Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal's race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

    In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the "conspiracy of concealment" helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

    Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

    Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

    Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

    Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

    "Slam enough doors in a man's face, and he may break one of them down," said San Francisco's Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won't be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262-1,00.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @rebel yell, @Sick 'n Tired

    As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict.

    So someone at Time in 1958 knew that magic dirt doesn’t work. In 2022 researchers such as Raj Chetty haven’t heard about this yet.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration,

    1958 or 2022, it is unthinkable to say genetics. As long as genetics cannot be discussed, white sin is the only other answer, and integration with and reduction of whites the only solution.

  212. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    I’ll say up front I don’t want America involved in more foreign adventures, because:
    1. You and I don’t really know what should happen in Ukraine. Is big bad Russia attacking little Ukraine, or is the US using Ukraine to start a war on Russia’s border? Did the people of Crimea vote with honest hearts to join Russia or were they coerced? Are Russians right to resist NATO expansion to their borders like we resisted Russian missiles in Cuba, or are they looking for an excuse for conquest of their neighbors? You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true? That’s a good reason to stay out. We can still have plenty of wars to fight close to home where we know what we are doing.
    2. It’s just not in our national security interest. If Russia retakes not only Ukraine but all of eastern Europe, it doesn’t threaten Topeka, Kansas. It’s a great advantage to live in the Western Hemisphere and we should enjoy that advantage.
    3. I won’t get any money out of it. If wars are fought for money, and they probably are, then only a few assholes on Wall Street and Washington will profit from this. Even if I accept as base an excuse for war as profit, these wars don’t benefit me.
    4. I don’t want a million Ukrainian refugees coming here. If we fight them over there, they will immigrate here. How can anyone not have figured this out yet?
    5. Not interested in arguments about “don’t appease the evil dictator”. I can ignore that evil dictator over there, if in fact that is what Putin is, and deal with him well enough if and when he gets closer to over here. That’s a good way to stay out of many unnecessary wars and only fight the necessary ones.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @rebel yell

    Two people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions, but I particularly disagree with this part of your statement:


    You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true?
     
    This gives Putin way too much power. All Russia needs to do is put out some lies and suddenly their disinformation is on the same level as truth - see, it's all a big muddle, who knows what is truth, anyway? Reuters and RT don't have the same level of credibility, the same ratio of truth to propaganda. The "little green men" were not local freedom fighters. They were Russian soldiers with their insignia removed. Anyone who is not a yokel understands this. As a Russian would say "don't hang noodles on my ears."


    Again, I understand (though I don't agree with) the isolationist impulse but it's a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa. People do the former all the time because they know that accepting a different version of the facts would require them to reconsider their beliefs and that's really hard. Much easier to say "I don't really know what is true so I can continue to follow the course of action that I prefer anyway."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @rebel yell

    , @Paperback Writer
    @rebel yell

    Here's the deal, RY.

    We can't win against the Russians here. I am against fighting them on principle. I'm honest and up front about that. They are right. We are wrong. They are the aggrieved party. Kennan wrote in 1997 that it was a mistake to expand NATO. He was right. We were wrong.

    But at the end of the day, we'd simply be MAD to go up against the Russians in their own back yard.

    Jack D and Art Deco can squawk about how awful you and I are all they want, it doesn't matter. The Russians would crush us - after a nasty, ugly fight that might incur thousands of civilian causalities on both sides.

    That neither of them can see this is a testament to their unsoundness of mind. Unfortunately there are many such people in this country. As the US sinks deeper into a cultural drift, regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Stay safe, as Buffalo Joe says.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jack D, @Art Deco

  213. @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, I was born and raised in Buffalo and still live in WNY. When I was a kid and actually into young adulthood, visiting Canada was like visiting another part of the US except you had to declare your citizenship and purpose of your trip before giving them a quarter and crossing a bridge (any of four) into Canada. A quick ride up the QEW took you past factories with American names, such as Ford and GM. Major employers. Ontario was and is resource rich and many of the developers were from Buffalo. Probably too broad a statement but research Canadian industry and well....

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I was 70 miles to the east, so it required putting some miles on the car. That’s the way I remember it, however. Haven’t been over the border since 1997, though, and that trip was to Quebec City. Canada had a great deal of prestige where I lived ca. 1973, considered clean and orderly in a way we weren’t any more.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  214. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    The Saker has written some amazing stuff on that subject.

    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.12/article/5c0e447bdda4c8db458b4644.jpg

    Also, this might be a good time to buy some canned goods to help hedge against a joint war against Russia and China.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Professional Slav, @Inquiring Mind, @sayless

    ‘a good time to buy some canned goods’

    Am afraid you may be right, Kronos. A friend of mine got a call yesterday from his son who is career military and has been making trips to Europe recently on classified matters.

    Yesterday he called specifically to tell him to get enough food and potable water laid by to get him through a disruption in supply, just in case the situation in Ukraine turns into a hot war, Russia/US.

    But may the Almighty be praised, we aren’t being subjected to mean tweets from Donald Trump anymore. That just put my nerves in shreds.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @sayless

    Go ahead and pick up the good canned food while it’s available.

  215. @Alden
    @Paperback Writer

    The Israelis sold every bit of information Jonathan Pollard stole to China. Israel has lots of investments in sub Sahara Africa. So does China. Working together they can steal more than as rivals.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I don’t know much about that. The internet has a bunch of junk links. If you have any good ones I’d appreciate it.

  216. @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,

    I don't bother yammering with Jack D anymore, other than to point out his more egregious mistakes.

    Canada is a genuine country in a way that THE Ukraine is not. But any rational person can see the point I was making. A settler society with mostly immigrant stock is as real and organic as any other society. But Ukraine (or THE Ukraine) is a borderland with a complex history and no fixed identity. I don't really care about it. The smart thing would be for the US to leave Ukraine as the buffer zone it is. But that would be too intelligent.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @JMcG

    It’s a very simple thought experiment to imagine the effect of Canada being welcomed into the Warsaw Pact. Hell, the Zimmerman Telegram was a proximate cause of our getting roped into the Great War. I remember being outraged when first learning of it at age ten or so. Those duplicitous Germans!

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JMcG

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada... which empowered neo-Nazis....

    Never mind.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

  217. @Art Deco
    @Buffalo Joe

    About 1.7% of the male population of Canada perished during the 1st world war. Regrettable, but not a loss which made mass immigration a necessity.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JMcG

    Regrettable.

  218. @JMcG
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s a very simple thought experiment to imagine the effect of Canada being welcomed into the Warsaw Pact. Hell, the Zimmerman Telegram was a proximate cause of our getting roped into the Great War. I remember being outraged when first learning of it at age ten or so. Those duplicitous Germans!

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada… which empowered neo-Nazis….

    Never mind.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, imagine if the Russians supported an anti-American coup in Cuba, 90 miles from US territory. Oh, wait, that actually happened.

    , @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada… which empowered neo-Nazis….

    None of that happened outside your imagination. Victor Yanukovich left the country when he realized that the security forces were not going to spill blood to protect him. He was succeeded by the constitutional designee and replaced in a competitive election. His political party and its derivatives have had ample opportunity to put forward candidates and alternatives. Problem, the conduct of Russia has tainted them and the Russophile constituency lost about 60% of its popular base. Note, Yanukovich's principal rival (liberated from prison in 2014) is a parliamentary back bencher. The current president was not a figure in national politics in 2014 and neither were two of the three prime ministers he's appointed. There aren't any 'empowered' neo-Nazis.

  219. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos


    Soon, China might not want to trade with the US.

     

    Don't get cocky. It'll take a lot for that to happen.

    Anyway, I note that that map bypasses Haifa.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/us-presses-israel-on-haifa-port-amid-china-espionage-concerns-sources/

    Wikipedia:

    In the maritime silk road, which is already the route for more than half of all containers in the world, deepwater ports are being expanded, logistical hubs are being built and new traffic routes are being created in the hinterland. The maritime silk road runs with its connections from the Chinese coast to the south via Hanoi to Jakarta, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur through the Strait of Malacca via the Sri Lankan Colombo towards the southern tip of India via Malé, the capital of the Maldives, to the East African Mombasa, from there to Djibouti, then through the Red Sea via the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean, there via Haifa, Istanbul and Athens to the Upper Adriatic region to the northern Italian hub of Trieste with its international free port and its rail connections to Central Europe and the North Sea.
     

    Replies: @Kronos

    Don’t get cocky. It’ll take a lot for that to happen.

    I’m not being cocky, and for the most part not happy about it either. A lot of stuff is happening on the economic/financial front that frankly terrifies me. Soon China might get fed up with our worthless dollars and increasingly dysfunctional elite. What do Chinese intelligence officers make of the New York Times?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    Link, please.

    Replies: @Kronos

  220. @sayless
    @Kronos

    'a good time to buy some canned goods'

    Am afraid you may be right, Kronos. A friend of mine got a call yesterday from his son who is career military and has been making trips to Europe recently on classified matters.

    Yesterday he called specifically to tell him to get enough food and potable water laid by to get him through a disruption in supply, just in case the situation in Ukraine turns into a hot war, Russia/US.

    But may the Almighty be praised, we aren't being subjected to mean tweets from Donald Trump anymore. That just put my nerves in shreds.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Go ahead and pick up the good canned food while it’s available.

  221. @Buffalo Joe
    @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, thank you for posting this but Time Magazine says their archives were hacked and they never said ANY of this. Capise? Stay safe.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Yeah, that’s not true. The article is up on Time’s website.

    I’m guessing you were trying to be funny/sarcastic.

    A-ha-HAH. Boffo stuff.

  222. @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”.
     
    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.



    https://www.neiu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/feature_image/public/hub.neiu.edu/news-images/2016/01/22/Jesse%20Jackson-Brown%20Background.jpg?itok=CNejqCw9

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Truth, @Michelle

    Oh, stop whining, did they charge for the extra enzyme treatments?

  223. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Horses contributed as much to building this country as blacks. Probably more.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Truth

    The average horse doesn’t contribute as much to this country as you do…

    He doesn’t spew as much SHIT!

    • Troll: Polistra
  224. @Buffalo Joe
    I don't understand this. All the blacks I see in TV ads are nice suburbanites, driving their Volvos, Audis or Subarus as they head out to go camping, fly fishing and kayaking with their two children and a labradoodle. Hell, they are even featured in the Orvis and LL Bean catalogs that are mailed to my house. America has a perception problem. One that we are force fed and the other where reality exists. Stay safe.

    Replies: @indocon, @Johann Ricke

    I don’t understand this. All the blacks I see in TV ads are nice suburbanites, driving their Volvos, Audis or Subarus as they head out to go camping, fly fishing and kayaking with their two children and a labradoodle. Hell, they are even featured in the Orvis and LL Bean catalogs that are mailed to my house. America has a perception problem. One that we are force fed and the other where reality exists. Stay safe.

    I blame fake news. Why are TV ads and online catalogs telling us the truth, whereas journalists are feeding us fanciful tales of carnage?

  225. @PaceLaw
    @Arclight

    “ . . . it’s definitely sunk in that we have a big problem that ‘violence interrupters’ and various non-profits are going to do nothing to solve.”

    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.

    https://www.lawofficer.com/baltimore-violence-interrupter-killed-in-quadruple-shooting/

    Replies: @Arclight, @Johann Ricke

    The concept of a “violence interrupter “as an effective tool in reducing violent crime has to be one of the dumbest ideas of the last few years. As if people in the hood, who are predisposed to acts of random violence for little to no reason, can be talked out of it through sheer logic and reason.Who came up with this stupid idea, white liberals or blacks from the hood? Something tells me it was blacks from the hood as it is a way to employ people (usually dudes with criminal records) who otherwise would be unemployable.

    Here in Baltimore, a violence interrupter’s life was recently interrupted by violence in the hood. A quadruple shooting no less. Figures.

    Many of these people are “former” gang members. Since there’s no real way of verifying this “former” status, short of Cheka-like tactics involving wiretaps and round-the-clock surveillance, my guess is many of them are current drug dealers moonlighting as federal contractors. It would not be surprising if the dead “violence interrupter” died during a drug deal interrupted by the usual double-dealing.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, PaceLaw
  226. @AceDeuce
    @Michelle

    Wrong. They were criminals from the get go. Until the mid 20th Century, they were largely confined to the South, where Whites knew how they were and kept them in line as best they could.

    What happened is they were not kept in line.

    They didn't need the left to tell them that they had been slaves, or that segregation existed or to hate Whites. They already knew that. They already hated Whites.

    And here's something to chew on--if your fantasy is real, and White libs told them to get back at the Man, as you put it, niggros didn't have to listen to that.

    I'm part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I'd refuse. I've got a life.

    Replies: @Truth, @Brit

    I’m part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I’d refuse. I’ve got a life.

    Yes, but let’s be perfectly transparent, Old Sport; by nature, when it comes to cojones, you’re not exactly Michael Collins.

    • Troll: Polistra
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Truth


    when it comes to cojones, you’re not exactly Michael Collins.
     
    His cojones taste better? Hey, you're the expert.

    Replies: @Truth

  227. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    Personally, I really don't love what the Ukrainians did during the war. You were right about the WW2 stuff. (Although I understand to some extent - having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi). But the current generation is mostly not Nazis and it's as real a country as any other country. I've been there and I've seen it and it's not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I understand that some people here don't want America to get involved in more foreign adventures. (At least they can't say that America is doing this "for Israel", or maybe they can?) But just be upfront and say that. Don't make up dumb "those grapes were sour anyway" type excuses.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco, @rebel yell, @J.Ross

    Jack has a point: we all remember when the Japanese Empire encouraged democracy in Hawaii, and, as a result, cut off our Pacific Fleet. Sometimes you just have to accept losing a navy and letting a mortal enemy set up shop next door. It’s like when your cheese gets moved, or like when we allowed al-Qaeda to take over the government of Canada. And all the more reason to stop defending borders.

  228. @Truth
    @AceDeuce


    I’m part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I’d refuse. I’ve got a life.
     
    Yes, but let's be perfectly transparent, Old Sport; by nature, when it comes to cojones, you're not exactly Michael Collins.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    when it comes to cojones, you’re not exactly Michael Collins.

    His cojones taste better? Hey, you’re the expert.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @AceDeuce

    Uh...

    He died in 1922.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  229. @Goatweed
    Have the number Brianna Kupfer murders increased while blacks are killing each other?

    Replies: @Sean, @George, @BB753, @Brit

    The graph seems to suggest a spike of 50-100 since 2020, perhaps by Racial Reckoning. (Much less than the blacks though only pointing that out cos we can’t convince them to save whites without saving blacks)

  230. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Reg Cæsar


    No, it isn’t. Slavery was the original forced integration. They’d never have gotten here on their own.
     
    Oh slaves were in North America 10,000 years ago. Indians had practiced it for millennia.

    If God had wanted us together, he’d have put us all on the same continent.
     
    Well by that logic, God wanted slavery cuz it's all over the Bible!

    Anyway, we can all agree forced integration/assimilation against Whites needs to end today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Brit

    Yeah and Christianity allowed and then abolished slavery. Bible Bashing Christians interpreted OT and Paul’s words in NT to endorse slavery (on top of seeing it normalised in Africa). I just wish they had more sense and either treated them better or enforced a successful segregation back then (maybe couldn’t have cos of the culture), because that’s why we’re all in this mess today. (Speaking as a Brit who now has to tread carefully because of the same behaviours over here).

    • Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Brit

    Every White country on the planet is under assault. Europe is being flooded. Nothing anyone did centuries ago would have stopped the anti-White agenda today.

    And let's be honest; it's hardly Blacks who are spearheading it.

  231. @AceDeuce
    @Michelle

    Wrong. They were criminals from the get go. Until the mid 20th Century, they were largely confined to the South, where Whites knew how they were and kept them in line as best they could.

    What happened is they were not kept in line.

    They didn't need the left to tell them that they had been slaves, or that segregation existed or to hate Whites. They already knew that. They already hated Whites.

    And here's something to chew on--if your fantasy is real, and White libs told them to get back at the Man, as you put it, niggros didn't have to listen to that.

    I'm part Irish. if some IRA guy comes to tell me to join them and get back at the Brits, I'd refuse. I've got a life.

    Replies: @Truth, @Brit

    But you’re over in the USA away from Britain, the IRA were based in Ireland, and Blacks are based in America so there is in some sense a national requirement. Your comment does shine a light on how the early Irish Italians and Jews were seen by New Yorkers and importantly how integration and good values destroyed those prevalent riots and criminal organisations like the various mafias.

  232. @YetAnotherAnon
    1,000% off topic, but does anyone know the easiest/best way to navigate Twitter on a PC? I don't have an account with them.

    For example, I want to see all tweets where "steve_sailer" occurs, which should be his tweets, replies, and anyone copying him in (IMHO twitter doesn't return everything, but that's another issue, part of their soft muting of people they don't like).

    So I can go to twitter, enter "steve_sailer" in the search box and hit enter, I get the results with the following in the URL.

    "https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live"

    So far so good. But if I want to click on one of the tweets - like the critical one from an Indian guy* "Indian academia & how we can outcompete the West" who is a fecal transplant guru, an area where India certainly has huge natural resources, I get this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/NM3gFtcK/aggarwala.jpg

    And when I click on the "x" to get rid of it I'm back with the original steve_sailer results. The only way I can see Mr Aggarwala's post is to ignore the "Don't miss what's happening" box, hit enter again, THEN click the "x" on the new "Don't miss what's happening" box.

    But it's damn annoying - any way round this, or is it my browser (Brave?).


    *Aggarwala is a Hindu Baniya caste—communities traditionally involved in trade and commerce, and known for their business acumen. It's the most common surname on Indian corporate boards.

    https://qz.com/india/669503/whats-an-indian-boardroom-without-an-agarwal-or-a-gupta/

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Brutusale, @Prabhakaran, @Paperback Writer

    You could perhaps search that specific user and see, otherwise perhaps look for an extension.

    The caste thing seems overanalysed in American right wing circles. Much like modern Western nations try and encourage diversity and affirmative action for minorities, India and presumably surrounding nations already have programs for the lower castes.

    On top of that if u believe in IQ hierarchy the behaviours and intelligence of the upper castes could exceed those of lower though I doubt it.

    I presume most second generation Indians don’t give caste a second look or even country and just stick to the brown identity.

  233. @Brit
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Yeah and Christianity allowed and then abolished slavery. Bible Bashing Christians interpreted OT and Paul’s words in NT to endorse slavery (on top of seeing it normalised in Africa). I just wish they had more sense and either treated them better or enforced a successful segregation back then (maybe couldn’t have cos of the culture), because that’s why we’re all in this mess today. (Speaking as a Brit who now has to tread carefully because of the same behaviours over here).

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Every White country on the planet is under assault. Europe is being flooded. Nothing anyone did centuries ago would have stopped the anti-White agenda today.

    And let’s be honest; it’s hardly Blacks who are spearheading it.

  234. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer


    Don’t get cocky. It’ll take a lot for that to happen.
     
    I’m not being cocky, and for the most part not happy about it either. A lot of stuff is happening on the economic/financial front that frankly terrifies me. Soon China might get fed up with our worthless dollars and increasingly dysfunctional elite. What do Chinese intelligence officers make of the New York Times?


    https://www.flowbank.com/hubfs/us%20m1%20.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Link, please.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s from the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  235. @Buffalo Joe
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost, well, horses were brought over by the Spanish starting with Columbus. But, in your defense, horses running free in Detroit, Baltimore,Compton, St. lousis, Kansas City et al, might be less of a problem than...well you know whom. Stay Safe.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paperback Writer

    Of course, Joe, isn’t that the analogy? I’ll bet anything more horses helped build the subways and the Brooklyn Bridge:

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  236. @YetAnotherAnon
    1,000% off topic, but does anyone know the easiest/best way to navigate Twitter on a PC? I don't have an account with them.

    For example, I want to see all tweets where "steve_sailer" occurs, which should be his tweets, replies, and anyone copying him in (IMHO twitter doesn't return everything, but that's another issue, part of their soft muting of people they don't like).

    So I can go to twitter, enter "steve_sailer" in the search box and hit enter, I get the results with the following in the URL.

    "https://twitter.com/search?q=steve_sailer&src=typed_query&f=live"

    So far so good. But if I want to click on one of the tweets - like the critical one from an Indian guy* "Indian academia & how we can outcompete the West" who is a fecal transplant guru, an area where India certainly has huge natural resources, I get this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/NM3gFtcK/aggarwala.jpg

    And when I click on the "x" to get rid of it I'm back with the original steve_sailer results. The only way I can see Mr Aggarwala's post is to ignore the "Don't miss what's happening" box, hit enter again, THEN click the "x" on the new "Don't miss what's happening" box.

    But it's damn annoying - any way round this, or is it my browser (Brave?).


    *Aggarwala is a Hindu Baniya caste—communities traditionally involved in trade and commerce, and known for their business acumen. It's the most common surname on Indian corporate boards.

    https://qz.com/india/669503/whats-an-indian-boardroom-without-an-agarwal-or-a-gupta/

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Brutusale, @Prabhakaran, @Paperback Writer

    Try Microsoft Edge. Brave does that to me, too. I just tried it on Edge & I could click on a tweet and not have that shit happen to me. That means that you’ll have to cooperate with another techlord but you can’t always get what you want.

    I don’t know why Edge is less invasive in this regard but it seems to be so.

    You could sign up under a fake gmail account and not tweet.

  237. @Buffalo Joe
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ghost, well, horses were brought over by the Spanish starting with Columbus. But, in your defense, horses running free in Detroit, Baltimore,Compton, St. lousis, Kansas City et al, might be less of a problem than...well you know whom. Stay Safe.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Paperback Writer

    Joe,

    You’ll be heartbroken to learn that cop killer, career criminal, and true Scotsman LaShawn McNeil died of his wounds after a brave shootout with two policeman during a domestic violence call.

  238. @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    Link, please.

    Replies: @Kronos

    It’s from the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Kronos

    OK, thanks. And sorry if I misread you - a lot of people here love the idea of America's downfall.

  239. @AceDeuce
    @Truth


    when it comes to cojones, you’re not exactly Michael Collins.
     
    His cojones taste better? Hey, you're the expert.

    Replies: @Truth

    Uh…

    He died in 1922.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Truth

    So you like your cojones dry aged?

  240. @Kronos
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s from the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    OK, thanks. And sorry if I misread you – a lot of people here love the idea of America’s downfall.

  241. @Reg Cæsar
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    This is nothing compared to the toll on White people since forced integration/assimilation by the government began.
     
    1619.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41x3Av96bXL._SX295_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship, @Redneck farmer, @billypadre

    There were Africans–both free & slave–already living in the Spanish colony in St. Augustine (present day Florida) in 1565 & another colony further north (Georgia?) at about the same time. “The 1619 Project” narrative is false & historically inaccurate.

  242. @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    I'll say up front I don't want America involved in more foreign adventures, because:
    1. You and I don't really know what should happen in Ukraine. Is big bad Russia attacking little Ukraine, or is the US using Ukraine to start a war on Russia's border? Did the people of Crimea vote with honest hearts to join Russia or were they coerced? Are Russians right to resist NATO expansion to their borders like we resisted Russian missiles in Cuba, or are they looking for an excuse for conquest of their neighbors? You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true? That's a good reason to stay out. We can still have plenty of wars to fight close to home where we know what we are doing.
    2. It's just not in our national security interest. If Russia retakes not only Ukraine but all of eastern Europe, it doesn't threaten Topeka, Kansas. It's a great advantage to live in the Western Hemisphere and we should enjoy that advantage.
    3. I won't get any money out of it. If wars are fought for money, and they probably are, then only a few assholes on Wall Street and Washington will profit from this. Even if I accept as base an excuse for war as profit, these wars don't benefit me.
    4. I don't want a million Ukrainian refugees coming here. If we fight them over there, they will immigrate here. How can anyone not have figured this out yet?
    5. Not interested in arguments about "don't appease the evil dictator". I can ignore that evil dictator over there, if in fact that is what Putin is, and deal with him well enough if and when he gets closer to over here. That's a good way to stay out of many unnecessary wars and only fight the necessary ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Two people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions, but I particularly disagree with this part of your statement:

    You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true?

    This gives Putin way too much power. All Russia needs to do is put out some lies and suddenly their disinformation is on the same level as truth – see, it’s all a big muddle, who knows what is truth, anyway? Reuters and RT don’t have the same level of credibility, the same ratio of truth to propaganda. The “little green men” were not local freedom fighters. They were Russian soldiers with their insignia removed. Anyone who is not a yokel understands this. As a Russian would say “don’t hang noodles on my ears.”

    Again, I understand (though I don’t agree with) the isolationist impulse but it’s a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa. People do the former all the time because they know that accepting a different version of the facts would require them to reconsider their beliefs and that’s really hard. Much easier to say “I don’t really know what is true so I can continue to follow the course of action that I prefer anyway.”

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Again, I understand (though I don’t agree with) the isolationist impulse but it’s a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa.

     

    Pretty rich coming from an Israel Uber Alles guy. You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port. You're a Jew who happens to be an American, not an American who happens to be a Jew.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    I agree that there is a real truth to get to, and that we have to think critically about the competing propaganda claims to find out what is truth, or at least find out which side's propaganda comes closer to the truth.

  243. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Canada is a fake country – it’s a borderland made up of many nationalities. The people who became Canadian – Catholic French-speaking peasants – were heavily pro-Nazi during WW2. Still are.

    This is a nonsense statement. There's no such thing as a 'fake country'. That aside, 55% of the respondents to the 1921 census listed their nationality as 'English', 'Scotch', or 'Irish', and another 16% listed 'French'. About 20% offered no response. About 10% listed other European nationalities.

    In re Quebec, it's also a calumny. Quebec voted against conscription in a 1942 referendum. Conscription was also a contentious issue in Quebec during the 1st world war as well. It's not difficult to see the distinction between that stance and being 'pro-Nazi'. Note also that 16% of respondents in the 1921 census listed their nationality as 'French'. French Canadians accounted for about 14% of those who enlisted during the 2d world war. The political spectrum in Quebec at that time was quite ordinary and did not include any fascist parties of any consequence.

    file:///C:/Users/cindy/AppData/Local/Temp/admin,+15+CJS_V21+Granatstein.pdf

    Replies: @Jack D

    AD – you are WAY too literal minded sometimes. Sometimes I wonder if you are an AI bot or whether your taking things too literally is some kind of shtick, like Tiny Duck.

    Of course it is a nonsense statement. I was just pointing out that NEITHER Canada nor Ukraine is a “fake country” by mirroring PW absurd formulation of what makes a country “fake”.

    As you point out, in the realm of “fakeness” (whatever that is) , Ukraine is less “fake” than Canada. Culturally and linguistically, Vancouver is much more similar to Seattle than Kyiv is to Moscow. You could make a much better case (not that it would be a good one) for incorporating English speaking Canada into the US than you could for incorporating Ukraine into Russia.

    Putin’s whole “we are all the same people” shtick would be a lot more convincing if people on both sides of the border believed it. The relationship between Russia and Ukraine is very much like that of a stalker and his ex-girlfriend.

    Putin now reminds me of the famous mural that was put up on the Berlin Wall.

    It was a picture (taken from an actual photograph) of Brezhnev passionately kissing Honecker on the lips and the caption was:

    Mein Gott, hilf mir, diese tödliche Liebe zu überleben!

    My God, help me to survive this deadly love!


    This is exactly what the people of Ukraine must be thinking right now.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  244. @Paperback Writer
    @JMcG

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada... which empowered neo-Nazis....

    Never mind.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Yeah, imagine if the Russians supported an anti-American coup in Cuba, 90 miles from US territory. Oh, wait, that actually happened.

  245. Cuba was a revolution about to happen, which THE SOVIETS took advantage of. They’re very good at that, taking advantage of our corruption and stupidity.

    (Although I understand to some extent – having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi).

    Can you sink any lower?

    ’ve been there and I’ve seen it and it’s not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.

    I’ve been to Russia. It’s not Communist anymore. It’s Russia. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Communism was (historically speaking) a relatively brief interlude in the history of Russia and while it was ostensibly a complete revolution, a lot of enduring Russian traits re-emerged, especially after the Revolution settled down. You might say it was "Communism with Russian Characteristics" .

    So while Putin is no Communist, he is most definitely a Russian, with all that entails (and ex-KGB to boot). The Russian people can be wonderful (and they can be horrid) but right now the only Russian that counts is Putin - he aspires to be, literally, the Czar of all the Russias.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

  246. @Jack D
    @rebel yell

    Two people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions, but I particularly disagree with this part of your statement:


    You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true?
     
    This gives Putin way too much power. All Russia needs to do is put out some lies and suddenly their disinformation is on the same level as truth - see, it's all a big muddle, who knows what is truth, anyway? Reuters and RT don't have the same level of credibility, the same ratio of truth to propaganda. The "little green men" were not local freedom fighters. They were Russian soldiers with their insignia removed. Anyone who is not a yokel understands this. As a Russian would say "don't hang noodles on my ears."


    Again, I understand (though I don't agree with) the isolationist impulse but it's a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa. People do the former all the time because they know that accepting a different version of the facts would require them to reconsider their beliefs and that's really hard. Much easier to say "I don't really know what is true so I can continue to follow the course of action that I prefer anyway."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @rebel yell

    Again, I understand (though I don’t agree with) the isolationist impulse but it’s a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa.

    Pretty rich coming from an Israel Uber Alles guy. You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port. You’re a Jew who happens to be an American, not an American who happens to be a Jew.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port.
     
    I don't recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port? Can the Israelis inspect Norfolk? People here got very angry (not without justification) when Pollard revealed American secrets to the Israelis so are the Israelis entitled to keep things from America? I think the general feeling here (correct me if I am wrong) is that the relationship between Israel and America should be more arms-length as befits two sovereign countries whose interests sometimes overlap and sometimes don't, and not less so.

    You yourself have indicated that you think that America is going down the drain. Do you expect that the Israelis are going to want to follow America there?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  247. @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    I'll say up front I don't want America involved in more foreign adventures, because:
    1. You and I don't really know what should happen in Ukraine. Is big bad Russia attacking little Ukraine, or is the US using Ukraine to start a war on Russia's border? Did the people of Crimea vote with honest hearts to join Russia or were they coerced? Are Russians right to resist NATO expansion to their borders like we resisted Russian missiles in Cuba, or are they looking for an excuse for conquest of their neighbors? You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true? That's a good reason to stay out. We can still have plenty of wars to fight close to home where we know what we are doing.
    2. It's just not in our national security interest. If Russia retakes not only Ukraine but all of eastern Europe, it doesn't threaten Topeka, Kansas. It's a great advantage to live in the Western Hemisphere and we should enjoy that advantage.
    3. I won't get any money out of it. If wars are fought for money, and they probably are, then only a few assholes on Wall Street and Washington will profit from this. Even if I accept as base an excuse for war as profit, these wars don't benefit me.
    4. I don't want a million Ukrainian refugees coming here. If we fight them over there, they will immigrate here. How can anyone not have figured this out yet?
    5. Not interested in arguments about "don't appease the evil dictator". I can ignore that evil dictator over there, if in fact that is what Putin is, and deal with him well enough if and when he gets closer to over here. That's a good way to stay out of many unnecessary wars and only fight the necessary ones.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Here’s the deal, RY.

    We can’t win against the Russians here. I am against fighting them on principle. I’m honest and up front about that. They are right. We are wrong. They are the aggrieved party. Kennan wrote in 1997 that it was a mistake to expand NATO. He was right. We were wrong.

    But at the end of the day, we’d simply be MAD to go up against the Russians in their own back yard.

    Jack D and Art Deco can squawk about how awful you and I are all they want, it doesn’t matter. The Russians would crush us – after a nasty, ugly fight that might incur thousands of civilian causalities on both sides.

    That neither of them can see this is a testament to their unsoundness of mind. Unfortunately there are many such people in this country. As the US sinks deeper into a cultural drift, regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Stay safe, as Buffalo Joe says.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Paperback Writer

    It’s pure fantasy to think that we could go to war with Russia on its border just months after having our ass handed to us in Afghanistan. The only possible upside is that the almost certain result would be the collapse of the US Government along with the final collapse in support for the US Military High Command by the majority of the American people.

    , @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.
     
    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?

    No one is proposing to send American troops directly up against the Russians. That's a recipe for nuclear war. The idea is to DETER the Putin - if you want peace, prepare for war. If Putin won't be deterred militarily, we will have to try to deter him economically and diplomatically. And in the meantime, he is going to have an insurgency in Ukraine that will make the Russian experience in Afghanistan look like a picnic.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Russia has no grievances of note, just ambitions.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  248. @Paperback Writer
    @rebel yell

    Here's the deal, RY.

    We can't win against the Russians here. I am against fighting them on principle. I'm honest and up front about that. They are right. We are wrong. They are the aggrieved party. Kennan wrote in 1997 that it was a mistake to expand NATO. He was right. We were wrong.

    But at the end of the day, we'd simply be MAD to go up against the Russians in their own back yard.

    Jack D and Art Deco can squawk about how awful you and I are all they want, it doesn't matter. The Russians would crush us - after a nasty, ugly fight that might incur thousands of civilian causalities on both sides.

    That neither of them can see this is a testament to their unsoundness of mind. Unfortunately there are many such people in this country. As the US sinks deeper into a cultural drift, regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Stay safe, as Buffalo Joe says.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    It’s pure fantasy to think that we could go to war with Russia on its border just months after having our ass handed to us in Afghanistan. The only possible upside is that the almost certain result would be the collapse of the US Government along with the final collapse in support for the US Military High Command by the majority of the American people.

  249. @Paperback Writer
    Cuba was a revolution about to happen, which THE SOVIETS took advantage of. They're very good at that, taking advantage of our corruption and stupidity.

    (Although I understand to some extent – having to live under the Bolsheviks would be enough to make Mother Teresa go Nazi).
     
    Can you sink any lower?

    ’ve been there and I’ve seen it and it’s not Russia any more than English speaking Canada is part of the USA or that Quebec is part of France.
     
    I've been to Russia. It's not Communist anymore. It's Russia. Deal with it.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Communism was (historically speaking) a relatively brief interlude in the history of Russia and while it was ostensibly a complete revolution, a lot of enduring Russian traits re-emerged, especially after the Revolution settled down. You might say it was “Communism with Russian Characteristics” .

    So while Putin is no Communist, he is most definitely a Russian, with all that entails (and ex-KGB to boot). The Russian people can be wonderful (and they can be horrid) but right now the only Russian that counts is Putin – he aspires to be, literally, the Czar of all the Russias.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    You might say it was “Communism with Russian Characteristics” .
     
    I'm inclined to say it was monarchist with populist characteristics.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    BTW the Russians weren't behind the Cuban revolution, in fact the Russians had no interest in Castro - they thought he was a middle-class punk and probably a CIA agent. It wasn't until 1961 that they saw an opportunity. We created the entire situation. Another CIA success story!

    Replies: @Art Deco

  250. @Paperback Writer
    @rebel yell

    Here's the deal, RY.

    We can't win against the Russians here. I am against fighting them on principle. I'm honest and up front about that. They are right. We are wrong. They are the aggrieved party. Kennan wrote in 1997 that it was a mistake to expand NATO. He was right. We were wrong.

    But at the end of the day, we'd simply be MAD to go up against the Russians in their own back yard.

    Jack D and Art Deco can squawk about how awful you and I are all they want, it doesn't matter. The Russians would crush us - after a nasty, ugly fight that might incur thousands of civilian causalities on both sides.

    That neither of them can see this is a testament to their unsoundness of mind. Unfortunately there are many such people in this country. As the US sinks deeper into a cultural drift, regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Stay safe, as Buffalo Joe says.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?

    No one is proposing to send American troops directly up against the Russians. That’s a recipe for nuclear war. The idea is to DETER the Putin – if you want peace, prepare for war. If Putin won’t be deterred militarily, we will have to try to deter him economically and diplomatically. And in the meantime, he is going to have an insurgency in Ukraine that will make the Russian experience in Afghanistan look like a picnic.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?
     
    100,000 troops in Russia. He's not allowed to have Russian troops in Russia?

    Replies: @Jack D

  251. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Again, I understand (though I don’t agree with) the isolationist impulse but it’s a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa.

     

    Pretty rich coming from an Israel Uber Alles guy. You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port. You're a Jew who happens to be an American, not an American who happens to be a Jew.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port.

    I don’t recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port? Can the Israelis inspect Norfolk? People here got very angry (not without justification) when Pollard revealed American secrets to the Israelis so are the Israelis entitled to keep things from America? I think the general feeling here (correct me if I am wrong) is that the relationship between Israel and America should be more arms-length as befits two sovereign countries whose interests sometimes overlap and sometimes don’t, and not less so.

    You yourself have indicated that you think that America is going down the drain. Do you expect that the Israelis are going to want to follow America there?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I don’t recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port?
     
    You did. You can look it up. I don't care enough to. Comparing the French/US relationship to the Israel/US relationship is another of your self-deluding whoppers. Israel wouldn't exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    They at least owe us some courtesy. What does the US get out of this relationship?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

  252. @Paperback Writer
    @rebel yell

    Here's the deal, RY.

    We can't win against the Russians here. I am against fighting them on principle. I'm honest and up front about that. They are right. We are wrong. They are the aggrieved party. Kennan wrote in 1997 that it was a mistake to expand NATO. He was right. We were wrong.

    But at the end of the day, we'd simply be MAD to go up against the Russians in their own back yard.

    Jack D and Art Deco can squawk about how awful you and I are all they want, it doesn't matter. The Russians would crush us - after a nasty, ugly fight that might incur thousands of civilian causalities on both sides.

    That neither of them can see this is a testament to their unsoundness of mind. Unfortunately there are many such people in this country. As the US sinks deeper into a cultural drift, regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.

    Stay safe, as Buffalo Joe says.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Russia has no grievances of note, just ambitions.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    Well, what are the Yanks (and Limeys) aggrieved about here?

    The Froggies and the Krauts are out. They saw next month's heating bill, so the Coalition of the Willing is much less willing this time.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-crisis-deescalating-nato-countries-break-bellicose-us-uk-stance

    Even the Ukrainians are telling people to slow their roll.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  253. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Communism was (historically speaking) a relatively brief interlude in the history of Russia and while it was ostensibly a complete revolution, a lot of enduring Russian traits re-emerged, especially after the Revolution settled down. You might say it was "Communism with Russian Characteristics" .

    So while Putin is no Communist, he is most definitely a Russian, with all that entails (and ex-KGB to boot). The Russian people can be wonderful (and they can be horrid) but right now the only Russian that counts is Putin - he aspires to be, literally, the Czar of all the Russias.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    You might say it was “Communism with Russian Characteristics” .

    I’m inclined to say it was monarchist with populist characteristics.

  254. @Paperback Writer
    @JMcG

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada... which empowered neo-Nazis....

    Never mind.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Art Deco

    Yeah. Imagine if Russia supported an anti-American coup in Canada… which empowered neo-Nazis….

    None of that happened outside your imagination. Victor Yanukovich left the country when he realized that the security forces were not going to spill blood to protect him. He was succeeded by the constitutional designee and replaced in a competitive election. His political party and its derivatives have had ample opportunity to put forward candidates and alternatives. Problem, the conduct of Russia has tainted them and the Russophile constituency lost about 60% of its popular base. Note, Yanukovich’s principal rival (liberated from prison in 2014) is a parliamentary back bencher. The current president was not a figure in national politics in 2014 and neither were two of the three prime ministers he’s appointed. There aren’t any ’empowered’ neo-Nazis.

  255. I am terrified that Biden, who is seventy-nine whether he specifically has dementia or not is reasoning thusly, “No one wants nuclear war. When we push back against Russia, they will back down.” without realizing that Russia also reasons like that. Then we’ll have a nuclear exchange.

    Who knows who good Russian military equipment is these days. If they were drastically losing a conventional war, would they reason “no one wants a nuclear war. When we use tactical nuclear weapons against purely military targets, then America will back down.”

    I have a horrible feeling, especially because our government is probably not thinking about Putin as a person, but rather as the boogeyman of international policy. We (meaning the progs) have been in the process of externalizing domestic conflicts. “No one could have supported Trump because of policy or agreeing about the direction of the country. People voted for Trump because Putin fooled them.” In reality, Putin was just throwing sand in gears of America. Destabilize the country and make the President weaker. But they are likely considering what Putin wants according to what they have made him in their heads. That could turn out badly when real Putin is the adversary.

    Do any of the “Trump was Putin’s puppet” folk have a rationalization for all this happening with Biden? Surely they’d have done this with their puppet in the White House?

    Let’s say the war goes swimmingly. We win handily. Given the previous behavior of the permanent government, what are the odds they will pursue “regime change” in the=Kremlin? Are they thinking, “we really need a successful nation-building occupation to make up for Afghanistan?”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Rob

    No one is planning to go to war with Putin over Ukraine. (If he crossed into Poland or the Balkans then we would be compelled by our NATO obligations to fight). Ukraine would be similar to the USSR- Afghan War. We would arm Ukrainian insurgents and make the Russian occupation as painful for Russia as possible. With a little bit of luck, this would make Putin unpopular in Russia and his regime would fall the way that the USSR did.

    Putin seems very strong right now but dictators can go from hero to zero overnight. In any case, Putin is not going to live forever and like most dictators he has no scheme of succession planned because any strong #2 would be a threat to Putin in the short run. He can only surround himself with mediocrities who pose no threat. Likewise, he can't allow any opposition other than controlled opposition - once one brick in the wall falls, the whole thing comes tumbling down. Putin saw this happen with his own eyes in Dresden. He's not going back to driving a cab if he can help it.

    Keep in mind that Russia (although it has some impressive weapons) is a 2nd rate country. It's GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world's lowest fertility rates. One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

  256. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Communism was (historically speaking) a relatively brief interlude in the history of Russia and while it was ostensibly a complete revolution, a lot of enduring Russian traits re-emerged, especially after the Revolution settled down. You might say it was "Communism with Russian Characteristics" .

    So while Putin is no Communist, he is most definitely a Russian, with all that entails (and ex-KGB to boot). The Russian people can be wonderful (and they can be horrid) but right now the only Russian that counts is Putin - he aspires to be, literally, the Czar of all the Russias.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    BTW the Russians weren’t behind the Cuban revolution, in fact the Russians had no interest in Castro – they thought he was a middle-class punk and probably a CIA agent. It wasn’t until 1961 that they saw an opportunity. We created the entire situation. Another CIA success story!

    • Disagree: Alden
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    We created the entire situation.

    We did nothing of the kind. The Castro brothers were communists who had every intention of doing what they did.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  257. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    regaining lost glory in war becomes a temptation.
     
    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?

    No one is proposing to send American troops directly up against the Russians. That's a recipe for nuclear war. The idea is to DETER the Putin - if you want peace, prepare for war. If Putin won't be deterred militarily, we will have to try to deter him economically and diplomatically. And in the meantime, he is going to have an insurgency in Ukraine that will make the Russian experience in Afghanistan look like a picnic.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?

    100,000 troops in Russia. He’s not allowed to have Russian troops in Russia?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    C'mon, don't piss on our shoes and tell us it's raining. Are you some kind of paid Russian plant? You don't mass troops on the border of a neighboring country unless you are either getting ready to invade or at least bluffing an invasion for fun and profit. These troops are not at their regular bases. They are purposely and visibly massed at the border in order to signal a threat.

    Putin is testing the West's mettle and specifically that of Biden. Were Biden to say the things that you are saying, the Russian troops would be in Kyiv tomorrow (and maybe in Vilnius next year and Warsaw the year after that - apparently whatever the Russians do is of no interest to you unless they are on the Rio Grande). The only reason they haven't crossed yet is that Putin hasn't made up his mind yet whether the benefits will be greater than the costs. The higher that we can raise the future costs the LESS likely it is that he will invade.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  258. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer


    You even defended Israel telling the US to shove it when we asked pretty please to inspect the Haifa port.
     
    I don't recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port? Can the Israelis inspect Norfolk? People here got very angry (not without justification) when Pollard revealed American secrets to the Israelis so are the Israelis entitled to keep things from America? I think the general feeling here (correct me if I am wrong) is that the relationship between Israel and America should be more arms-length as befits two sovereign countries whose interests sometimes overlap and sometimes don't, and not less so.

    You yourself have indicated that you think that America is going down the drain. Do you expect that the Israelis are going to want to follow America there?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I don’t recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port?

    You did. You can look it up. I don’t care enough to. Comparing the French/US relationship to the Israel/US relationship is another of your self-deluding whoppers. Israel wouldn’t exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    They at least owe us some courtesy. What does the US get out of this relationship?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Israel wouldn’t exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    Prior to 1948, Jewish settlers built their own agricultural colonies, their own towns, their own industries and service enterprises. They did not draw on American aid to do this. Neither did American troops participate in Israel's war for independence.

    Israel received minimal aid from the United States prior to 1973. Aid grew proportionately quite large during the period running from 1973 to 1984, in part proffered to grease the skids for peace deals. Its contextual significance has declined with scant interruption since 1984. The country currently receives about 1.2% of it's gross national income in the form of inter-governmental transfers (which are in the form of credits to buy military equipment). Were American aid abruptly withdrawn, the country would suffer an ordinary business recession for a year or two.

    Israel hasn't fought with any Arab government since 1973, bar some dogfights with the Syrian air force. All of it's armed conflicts have been with paramilitaries operating on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in Lebanon. For all their ambition, the Arab paramilitaries have succeeded only in manufacturing security problems for Israel, and they're less capable at it than they were 30 years ago. The Arab governments had a series of embarrassing failures in their attempts to conquer territory from Israel. The Hashemite Arab Legion in 1948-49 was the only force which had much success in this respect.

    Israel itself is a 2d tier affluent country like Spain, but with less labor market dysfunction than that in Spain. It has ample agricultural, industrial, and service employment. It's foreign and public debt are manageable. It's running a current account surplus. Life expectancy at birth is now over 80 years. It's quite self-contained, having within its borders a vigorous military, full-spectrum financial markets, and research universities on a par with those you find in other occidental countries.


    They're neither dead nor subjugated. Get over it.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    What does the US get out of this relationship?
     
    Fewer Jews in America.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  259. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    BTW the Russians weren't behind the Cuban revolution, in fact the Russians had no interest in Castro - they thought he was a middle-class punk and probably a CIA agent. It wasn't until 1961 that they saw an opportunity. We created the entire situation. Another CIA success story!

    Replies: @Art Deco

    We created the entire situation.

    We did nothing of the kind. The Castro brothers were communists who had every intention of doing what they did.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution. But Wikipedia gives a decent overview.


    Following the American embargo, the Soviet Union became Cuba's main ally.[15] It should be noted, however, that the Soviet Union did not initially want anything to do with Cuba or Latin America until the United States had taken an interest in dismantling Castro’s communist government.[33] At first, many people in the Soviet Union did not know anything about Cuba, and those that did saw Castro as a ‘troublemaker’ and the Cuba Revolution as ‘one big heresy.’[33] There were three big reasons why the Soviet Union changed their attitudes and finally took interest in the island country. First was the success of the Cuban Revolution, to which Moscow responded with great interest as they understood that if a communist revolution was successful for Cuba, it could be successful elsewhere in Latin America.
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

  260. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I don’t recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port?
     
    You did. You can look it up. I don't care enough to. Comparing the French/US relationship to the Israel/US relationship is another of your self-deluding whoppers. Israel wouldn't exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    They at least owe us some courtesy. What does the US get out of this relationship?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    Israel wouldn’t exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    Prior to 1948, Jewish settlers built their own agricultural colonies, their own towns, their own industries and service enterprises. They did not draw on American aid to do this. Neither did American troops participate in Israel’s war for independence.

    Israel received minimal aid from the United States prior to 1973. Aid grew proportionately quite large during the period running from 1973 to 1984, in part proffered to grease the skids for peace deals. Its contextual significance has declined with scant interruption since 1984. The country currently receives about 1.2% of it’s gross national income in the form of inter-governmental transfers (which are in the form of credits to buy military equipment). Were American aid abruptly withdrawn, the country would suffer an ordinary business recession for a year or two.

    Israel hasn’t fought with any Arab government since 1973, bar some dogfights with the Syrian air force. All of it’s armed conflicts have been with paramilitaries operating on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in Lebanon. For all their ambition, the Arab paramilitaries have succeeded only in manufacturing security problems for Israel, and they’re less capable at it than they were 30 years ago. The Arab governments had a series of embarrassing failures in their attempts to conquer territory from Israel. The Hashemite Arab Legion in 1948-49 was the only force which had much success in this respect.

    Israel itself is a 2d tier affluent country like Spain, but with less labor market dysfunction than that in Spain. It has ample agricultural, industrial, and service employment. It’s foreign and public debt are manageable. It’s running a current account surplus. Life expectancy at birth is now over 80 years. It’s quite self-contained, having within its borders a vigorous military, full-spectrum financial markets, and research universities on a par with those you find in other occidental countries.

    They’re neither dead nor subjugated. Get over it.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Too bad there are no emojis here.

    Thanks for the Zionism 101 rap. It's worthy of a mediocre rabbi lecturing a group of bored middle-schoolers.

    As for the last sentence, go fuck yourself, and when you're finished, do it again. I do not want to see bad things happen to Israel. But bad things will happen to Israel, because when Americans see that Israel is making deals with China, middle America won't like it.

    Don't blame the messenger. These are simply facts. Israel is a disloyal client state. They have a right to see after their own interests. Americans do as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  261. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Putin has 100,000 troops massed on the border with Ukraine but America is the one who wants to regain lost glory in war?
     
    100,000 troops in Russia. He's not allowed to have Russian troops in Russia?

    Replies: @Jack D

    C’mon, don’t piss on our shoes and tell us it’s raining. Are you some kind of paid Russian plant? You don’t mass troops on the border of a neighboring country unless you are either getting ready to invade or at least bluffing an invasion for fun and profit. These troops are not at their regular bases. They are purposely and visibly massed at the border in order to signal a threat.

    Putin is testing the West’s mettle and specifically that of Biden. Were Biden to say the things that you are saying, the Russian troops would be in Kyiv tomorrow (and maybe in Vilnius next year and Warsaw the year after that – apparently whatever the Russians do is of no interest to you unless they are on the Rio Grande). The only reason they haven’t crossed yet is that Putin hasn’t made up his mind yet whether the benefits will be greater than the costs. The higher that we can raise the future costs the LESS likely it is that he will invade.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Are you some kind of paid Russian plant?

     

    Yup. That's exactly what I am. As was George Kennan, that commie fag!
  262. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Israel wouldn’t exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    Prior to 1948, Jewish settlers built their own agricultural colonies, their own towns, their own industries and service enterprises. They did not draw on American aid to do this. Neither did American troops participate in Israel's war for independence.

    Israel received minimal aid from the United States prior to 1973. Aid grew proportionately quite large during the period running from 1973 to 1984, in part proffered to grease the skids for peace deals. Its contextual significance has declined with scant interruption since 1984. The country currently receives about 1.2% of it's gross national income in the form of inter-governmental transfers (which are in the form of credits to buy military equipment). Were American aid abruptly withdrawn, the country would suffer an ordinary business recession for a year or two.

    Israel hasn't fought with any Arab government since 1973, bar some dogfights with the Syrian air force. All of it's armed conflicts have been with paramilitaries operating on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in Lebanon. For all their ambition, the Arab paramilitaries have succeeded only in manufacturing security problems for Israel, and they're less capable at it than they were 30 years ago. The Arab governments had a series of embarrassing failures in their attempts to conquer territory from Israel. The Hashemite Arab Legion in 1948-49 was the only force which had much success in this respect.

    Israel itself is a 2d tier affluent country like Spain, but with less labor market dysfunction than that in Spain. It has ample agricultural, industrial, and service employment. It's foreign and public debt are manageable. It's running a current account surplus. Life expectancy at birth is now over 80 years. It's quite self-contained, having within its borders a vigorous military, full-spectrum financial markets, and research universities on a par with those you find in other occidental countries.


    They're neither dead nor subjugated. Get over it.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.


    Your argument is that nuclear weapons Israel supposedly constructed ca. 1977 made it possible for the Jewish population to build productive enterprises and functional institutions over four generations (1897- ), inflict repeated defeats on Arab armies over a period of 26 years (1947-73), and managed to geld and contain sets of Arab irregulars against whom nuclear weapons would be quite useless. And they accomplished all of this while never making any public reference to those magical nuclear weapons.



    made from material that they stole from the USA

    Did you cull this contention from the same website which told you that Israel's agricultural and industrial base as it was in 1970 (which made them a high middle-income country) is attributable to nuclear weapons they'd never owned up to that point?

    Replies: @JMcG

  263. @Rob
    I am terrified that Biden, who is seventy-nine whether he specifically has dementia or not is reasoning thusly, “No one wants nuclear war. When we push back against Russia, they will back down.” without realizing that Russia also reasons like that. Then we’ll have a nuclear exchange.

    Who knows who good Russian military equipment is these days. If they were drastically losing a conventional war, would they reason “no one wants a nuclear war. When we use tactical nuclear weapons against purely military targets, then America will back down.”

    I have a horrible feeling, especially because our government is probably not thinking about Putin as a person, but rather as the boogeyman of international policy. We (meaning the progs) have been in the process of externalizing domestic conflicts. “No one could have supported Trump because of policy or agreeing about the direction of the country. People voted for Trump because Putin fooled them.” In reality, Putin was just throwing sand in gears of America. Destabilize the country and make the President weaker. But they are likely considering what Putin wants according to what they have made him in their heads. That could turn out badly when real Putin is the adversary.

    Do any of the “Trump was Putin’s puppet” folk have a rationalization for all this happening with Biden? Surely they’d have done this with their puppet in the White House?

    Let’s say the war goes swimmingly. We win handily. Given the previous behavior of the permanent government, what are the odds they will pursue “regime change” in the=Kremlin? Are they thinking, “we really need a successful nation-building occupation to make up for Afghanistan?”

    Replies: @Jack D

    No one is planning to go to war with Putin over Ukraine. (If he crossed into Poland or the Balkans then we would be compelled by our NATO obligations to fight). Ukraine would be similar to the USSR- Afghan War. We would arm Ukrainian insurgents and make the Russian occupation as painful for Russia as possible. With a little bit of luck, this would make Putin unpopular in Russia and his regime would fall the way that the USSR did.

    Putin seems very strong right now but dictators can go from hero to zero overnight. In any case, Putin is not going to live forever and like most dictators he has no scheme of succession planned because any strong #2 would be a threat to Putin in the short run. He can only surround himself with mediocrities who pose no threat. Likewise, he can’t allow any opposition other than controlled opposition – once one brick in the wall falls, the whole thing comes tumbling down. Putin saw this happen with his own eyes in Dresden. He’s not going back to driving a cab if he can help it.

    Keep in mind that Russia (although it has some impressive weapons) is a 2nd rate country. It’s GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world’s lowest fertility rates. One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).
     
    I know you're convinced that ESG is the wave of the future, but German power rates were triple the US number even before the recent natural gas price spikes despite a pretty compact German power grid and a huge % of renewable vs non-renewable power. I think Putin is driven more by his own mortality than visions of fossil fuels going out of fashion. Alexander started his campaigns at the tender age of 20. Temujin (aka Genghis Khan, as he later styled himself) began his drive to conquer all in his early 20's. Putin turns 70 in October. If he is to acquire territory, pacify it and securely incorporate it into the empire within his lifetime, he needs to get going.
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It’s GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world’s lowest fertility rates.

    At purchasing power parity, Russia's GDP exceeds that of Canada by a factor of 2.25. Russia's total fertility rate is 1.82 right now. That for the US is 1.78. That for Poland is 1.46. That for Colombia is 1.75. That for France is 1.85. That for Egypt is 3.17. That for Israel is 3.01. That for India is 2.16. That for Japan is 1.37. That for China is 1.70.

  264. @Jack D
    @Rob

    No one is planning to go to war with Putin over Ukraine. (If he crossed into Poland or the Balkans then we would be compelled by our NATO obligations to fight). Ukraine would be similar to the USSR- Afghan War. We would arm Ukrainian insurgents and make the Russian occupation as painful for Russia as possible. With a little bit of luck, this would make Putin unpopular in Russia and his regime would fall the way that the USSR did.

    Putin seems very strong right now but dictators can go from hero to zero overnight. In any case, Putin is not going to live forever and like most dictators he has no scheme of succession planned because any strong #2 would be a threat to Putin in the short run. He can only surround himself with mediocrities who pose no threat. Likewise, he can't allow any opposition other than controlled opposition - once one brick in the wall falls, the whole thing comes tumbling down. Putin saw this happen with his own eyes in Dresden. He's not going back to driving a cab if he can help it.

    Keep in mind that Russia (although it has some impressive weapons) is a 2nd rate country. It's GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world's lowest fertility rates. One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).

    I know you’re convinced that ESG is the wave of the future, but German power rates were triple the US number even before the recent natural gas price spikes despite a pretty compact German power grid and a huge % of renewable vs non-renewable power. I think Putin is driven more by his own mortality than visions of fossil fuels going out of fashion. Alexander started his campaigns at the tender age of 20. Temujin (aka Genghis Khan, as he later styled himself) began his drive to conquer all in his early 20’s. Putin turns 70 in October. If he is to acquire territory, pacify it and securely incorporate it into the empire within his lifetime, he needs to get going.

  265. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    C'mon, don't piss on our shoes and tell us it's raining. Are you some kind of paid Russian plant? You don't mass troops on the border of a neighboring country unless you are either getting ready to invade or at least bluffing an invasion for fun and profit. These troops are not at their regular bases. They are purposely and visibly massed at the border in order to signal a threat.

    Putin is testing the West's mettle and specifically that of Biden. Were Biden to say the things that you are saying, the Russian troops would be in Kyiv tomorrow (and maybe in Vilnius next year and Warsaw the year after that - apparently whatever the Russians do is of no interest to you unless they are on the Rio Grande). The only reason they haven't crossed yet is that Putin hasn't made up his mind yet whether the benefits will be greater than the costs. The higher that we can raise the future costs the LESS likely it is that he will invade.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Are you some kind of paid Russian plant?

    Yup. That’s exactly what I am. As was George Kennan, that commie fag!

  266. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    We created the entire situation.

    We did nothing of the kind. The Castro brothers were communists who had every intention of doing what they did.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution. But Wikipedia gives a decent overview.

    Following the American embargo, the Soviet Union became Cuba’s main ally.[15] It should be noted, however, that the Soviet Union did not initially want anything to do with Cuba or Latin America until the United States had taken an interest in dismantling Castro’s communist government.[33] At first, many people in the Soviet Union did not know anything about Cuba, and those that did saw Castro as a ‘troublemaker’ and the Cuba Revolution as ‘one big heresy.’[33] There were three big reasons why the Soviet Union changed their attitudes and finally took interest in the island country. First was the success of the Cuban Revolution, to which Moscow responded with great interest as they understood that if a communist revolution was successful for Cuba, it could be successful elsewhere in Latin America.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution.

    You haven't read them. Castro had his own objects and was a willing addition to the East Bloc.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  267. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Israel wouldn’t exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    Prior to 1948, Jewish settlers built their own agricultural colonies, their own towns, their own industries and service enterprises. They did not draw on American aid to do this. Neither did American troops participate in Israel's war for independence.

    Israel received minimal aid from the United States prior to 1973. Aid grew proportionately quite large during the period running from 1973 to 1984, in part proffered to grease the skids for peace deals. Its contextual significance has declined with scant interruption since 1984. The country currently receives about 1.2% of it's gross national income in the form of inter-governmental transfers (which are in the form of credits to buy military equipment). Were American aid abruptly withdrawn, the country would suffer an ordinary business recession for a year or two.

    Israel hasn't fought with any Arab government since 1973, bar some dogfights with the Syrian air force. All of it's armed conflicts have been with paramilitaries operating on the West Bank, in Gaza, and in Lebanon. For all their ambition, the Arab paramilitaries have succeeded only in manufacturing security problems for Israel, and they're less capable at it than they were 30 years ago. The Arab governments had a series of embarrassing failures in their attempts to conquer territory from Israel. The Hashemite Arab Legion in 1948-49 was the only force which had much success in this respect.

    Israel itself is a 2d tier affluent country like Spain, but with less labor market dysfunction than that in Spain. It has ample agricultural, industrial, and service employment. It's foreign and public debt are manageable. It's running a current account surplus. Life expectancy at birth is now over 80 years. It's quite self-contained, having within its borders a vigorous military, full-spectrum financial markets, and research universities on a par with those you find in other occidental countries.


    They're neither dead nor subjugated. Get over it.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Paperback Writer

    Too bad there are no emojis here.

    Thanks for the Zionism 101 rap. It’s worthy of a mediocre rabbi lecturing a group of bored middle-schoolers.

    As for the last sentence, go fuck yourself, and when you’re finished, do it again. I do not want to see bad things happen to Israel. But bad things will happen to Israel, because when Americans see that Israel is making deals with China, middle America won’t like it.

    Don’t blame the messenger. These are simply facts. Israel is a disloyal client state. They have a right to see after their own interests. Americans do as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Thanks for the witless insults. When you have an actual counter-argument, let me know.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  268. @Jack D
    @rebel yell

    Two people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions, but I particularly disagree with this part of your statement:


    You and I read different propaganda with different answers to these questions, but do you know which propaganda is true?
     
    This gives Putin way too much power. All Russia needs to do is put out some lies and suddenly their disinformation is on the same level as truth - see, it's all a big muddle, who knows what is truth, anyway? Reuters and RT don't have the same level of credibility, the same ratio of truth to propaganda. The "little green men" were not local freedom fighters. They were Russian soldiers with their insignia removed. Anyone who is not a yokel understands this. As a Russian would say "don't hang noodles on my ears."


    Again, I understand (though I don't agree with) the isolationist impulse but it's a mistake to tailor your facts to your beliefs rather than vice versa. People do the former all the time because they know that accepting a different version of the facts would require them to reconsider their beliefs and that's really hard. Much easier to say "I don't really know what is true so I can continue to follow the course of action that I prefer anyway."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @rebel yell

    I agree that there is a real truth to get to, and that we have to think critically about the competing propaganda claims to find out what is truth, or at least find out which side’s propaganda comes closer to the truth.

  269. @Truth
    @AceDeuce

    Uh...

    He died in 1922.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    So you like your cojones dry aged?

  270. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Russia has no grievances of note, just ambitions.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Well, what are the Yanks (and Limeys) aggrieved about here?

    The Froggies and the Krauts are out. They saw next month’s heating bill, so the Coalition of the Willing is much less willing this time.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-crisis-deescalating-nato-countries-break-bellicose-us-uk-stance

    Even the Ukrainians are telling people to slow their roll.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Brutusale


    Even the Ukrainians are telling people to slow their roll.
     
    Do they know that Joe's poll numbers are in the sub-basement, and that the tried-and-true method of raising a president's poll numbers is a good old-fashioned W-A-R ??
  271. @Jack D
    @Rob

    No one is planning to go to war with Putin over Ukraine. (If he crossed into Poland or the Balkans then we would be compelled by our NATO obligations to fight). Ukraine would be similar to the USSR- Afghan War. We would arm Ukrainian insurgents and make the Russian occupation as painful for Russia as possible. With a little bit of luck, this would make Putin unpopular in Russia and his regime would fall the way that the USSR did.

    Putin seems very strong right now but dictators can go from hero to zero overnight. In any case, Putin is not going to live forever and like most dictators he has no scheme of succession planned because any strong #2 would be a threat to Putin in the short run. He can only surround himself with mediocrities who pose no threat. Likewise, he can't allow any opposition other than controlled opposition - once one brick in the wall falls, the whole thing comes tumbling down. Putin saw this happen with his own eyes in Dresden. He's not going back to driving a cab if he can help it.

    Keep in mind that Russia (although it has some impressive weapons) is a 2nd rate country. It's GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world's lowest fertility rates. One of the reasons why Putin is tempted to act now is because he knows that things only get worse for Russia from now on. Europe is trying to wean itself of dependence on fossil fuels and fossil fuels is the only productive sector of the Russian economy (aside from ransomware).

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Art Deco

    It’s GDP is similar to that of Canada. Like Canada, it appears vast on the map but much of it is a frozen wasteland. It has less than 1/2 the population of the US and its population is aging and declining, with one of the world’s lowest fertility rates.

    At purchasing power parity, Russia’s GDP exceeds that of Canada by a factor of 2.25. Russia’s total fertility rate is 1.82 right now. That for the US is 1.78. That for Poland is 1.46. That for Colombia is 1.75. That for France is 1.85. That for Egypt is 3.17. That for Israel is 3.01. That for India is 2.16. That for Japan is 1.37. That for China is 1.70.

  272. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution. But Wikipedia gives a decent overview.


    Following the American embargo, the Soviet Union became Cuba's main ally.[15] It should be noted, however, that the Soviet Union did not initially want anything to do with Cuba or Latin America until the United States had taken an interest in dismantling Castro’s communist government.[33] At first, many people in the Soviet Union did not know anything about Cuba, and those that did saw Castro as a ‘troublemaker’ and the Cuba Revolution as ‘one big heresy.’[33] There were three big reasons why the Soviet Union changed their attitudes and finally took interest in the island country. First was the success of the Cuban Revolution, to which Moscow responded with great interest as they understood that if a communist revolution was successful for Cuba, it could be successful elsewhere in Latin America.
     

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution.

    You haven’t read them. Castro had his own objects and was a willing addition to the East Bloc.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco


    You haven’t read them.

     

    Have you? I didn't think so. Was the Wikipedia entry wrong?

    Castro had his own objects and was a willing addition to the East Bloc.

     

    No doubt. But that doesn't disprove that the SU wasn't behind the revolution and was quite leery of him for at least a year. They misread the situation completely. It wasn't until the US created a hole the size of a Mack truck that they came barreling through.

    I think Castro was actually quite convenient to the hard-core anti-Communist right in the US. We could and did live with him. He was a rallying cry. And hey, he got rid of polio in Cuba and as Steve pointed out, handled AIDS quite sensibly.

    Look bud, I'm not pro-Russian. I'm against American stupidity. Our products are the best in the world, or used to be. American soft power is unequalled.

    Again (and again) George Kennan is smarter than you. Suck on that, AD.

    https://archive.is/wZ2gG

    And perhaps it is not too late to advance a view that, I believe, is not only mine alone but is shared by a number of others with extensive and in most instances more recent experience in Russian matters. The view, bluntly stated, is that expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.

     

  273. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Too bad there are no emojis here.

    Thanks for the Zionism 101 rap. It's worthy of a mediocre rabbi lecturing a group of bored middle-schoolers.

    As for the last sentence, go fuck yourself, and when you're finished, do it again. I do not want to see bad things happen to Israel. But bad things will happen to Israel, because when Americans see that Israel is making deals with China, middle America won't like it.

    Don't blame the messenger. These are simply facts. Israel is a disloyal client state. They have a right to see after their own interests. Americans do as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Thanks for the witless insults. When you have an actual counter-argument, let me know.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Did you offer an argument? Just a bunch of garbage Zionism that any Israeli 17 year old would laugh at.

    Anyone who thinks that Israel could have survived without American economic and diplomatic aid is simply perverse and not worth engaging with.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  274. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I don’t recall ever actually saying that, but now that you mention it, can the French inspect San Diego port?
     
    You did. You can look it up. I don't care enough to. Comparing the French/US relationship to the Israel/US relationship is another of your self-deluding whoppers. Israel wouldn't exist without American diplomatic and economic help.

    They at least owe us some courtesy. What does the US get out of this relationship?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    What does the US get out of this relationship?

    Fewer Jews in America.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hahaha. Good one. But don't speak too quickly: Israel is, as Philip Roth said, a big Jewish hospital. It has a high birthrate. The religious boil off to the less religious, and so on, until we reach the "hilonim" - i.e., seculars, who have a high birthrate for secular people. They emigrate a lot. And after emigration their descendants do what other irreligious Jews do: they assimilate.

    If Israel never existed, most of the hilonim would have assimilated to their host societies even quicker. In the wake of Sidney Poitier's death I read about his co-star in Lilies of the Field, Lilia Skala. I'd always wondered who she was.

    She was half-Jewish (father's side) but married a Jew. This experience didn't affirm their Jewish identity, because they had none. They raised their sons as Christians, the boys became completely assimilated and their grandkids are all Protestants of one form or another. Quite accomplished, Ivy League grads, the whole bit. If they'd moved to Israel they'd have been "yekkes."

    Unless you're born Orthodox, religious Judaism is quite centrifugal.

  275. Hey Steve
    Got any statistics regarding poor on poor homicides? I didn’t think so. Good evening Whitey.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Not a racist

    You could look at the murder rate in West Virginia, a pretty poor state.

    Replies: @Truth, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

  276. @Not a racist
    Hey Steve
    Got any statistics regarding poor on poor homicides? I didn't think so. Good evening Whitey.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You could look at the murder rate in West Virginia, a pretty poor state.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Steve Sailer

    How about Montana?

    https://newstalkkgvo.com/homicides-have-doubled-in-missoula-says-county-attorney-pabst/

    https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2021-06-24/homicides-violent-crimes-increased-in-montana-during-pandemic

    Or North Dakota?
    https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/06/09/murder-north-dakota-reaches-record-high/

    Or Rhode Island?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rhode-island-murders-spiked-in-2020/ar-AAOXKBn#:~:text=The%20upward%20trend%20is%20continuing%20into%202021%20in,T.%20Clements%20Jr.%2C%20chief%20of%20the%20Providence%20police.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    "A pretty poor state" means personal income per capita about 20% below national means. That's not poor on any international or historical scale.

    West Virginia's population is unusually dispersed. About 10% live in concentrated knots of 50,000 or more (v. about 60% of the national population). About 45% live outside any metropolitan commuter belt (v. 15% of the general population). Note, places outside metropolitan commuter belts tend to have per capita income flows about 23% below those inside metropolitan commuter belts. About 1/3 of the distinction in income between West Virginia and the average state is attributable to it being a swatch of countryside with some towns here and there.

    The rest of the distinction is attributable to the state having abnormally low levels of labor mobilization. Employment-to-population ratios nationally tend to bounce around 0.60. West Virginia's tend to be about 0.50.

    As far as I can tell, homicide rates in rural areas and small towns in West Virginia are about 3x those of comparable parts of New York State, about 1.5x those of comparable parts of Virginia.

    , @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "The return of Black Lives Matter on May 25, 2020 coincided with a historic surge in black homicide fatalities and traffic fatalities."

    Correlation does not equal causation. As I have stated before, your Racial Reckoning theory has holes in it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/

    Now, these conclusions doesn’t fit your tin cup narrative, of course. But you can put your alleged pattern recognition skills to the test to bolster your case. This is in your wheelhouse.

    https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

    Mine the data. Clearly define terms and criteria. Establish how many BLM protests were violent and murderous, along with how and why each protest led to subsequent murders.

    And here is something else for you to ponder.

    https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/43/2/225/5992372

  277. @Steve Sailer
    @Not a racist

    You could look at the murder rate in West Virginia, a pretty poor state.

    Replies: @Truth, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Truth

    Oh neat, tagteaming. Without looking I'm guessing that Montana's "spike" is less than a month of Chicago's murders from before the kneeling.

    Replies: @Truth

  278. @Truth
    @Steve Sailer

    How about Montana?

    https://newstalkkgvo.com/homicides-have-doubled-in-missoula-says-county-attorney-pabst/

    https://www.mtpr.org/montana-news/2021-06-24/homicides-violent-crimes-increased-in-montana-during-pandemic

    Or North Dakota?
    https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/06/09/murder-north-dakota-reaches-record-high/

    Or Rhode Island?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rhode-island-murders-spiked-in-2020/ar-AAOXKBn#:~:text=The%20upward%20trend%20is%20continuing%20into%202021%20in,T.%20Clements%20Jr.%2C%20chief%20of%20the%20Providence%20police.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Oh neat, tagteaming. Without looking I’m guessing that Montana’s “spike” is less than a month of Chicago’s murders from before the kneeling.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @J.Ross

    Now Son, I ain't attend onea'em fancy yoonee-verstees you did, but I do know what "all-time high" means...

  279. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    What does the US get out of this relationship?
     
    Fewer Jews in America.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Hahaha. Good one. But don’t speak too quickly: Israel is, as Philip Roth said, a big Jewish hospital. It has a high birthrate. The religious boil off to the less religious, and so on, until we reach the “hilonim” – i.e., seculars, who have a high birthrate for secular people. They emigrate a lot. And after emigration their descendants do what other irreligious Jews do: they assimilate.

    If Israel never existed, most of the hilonim would have assimilated to their host societies even quicker. In the wake of Sidney Poitier’s death I read about his co-star in Lilies of the Field, Lilia Skala. I’d always wondered who she was.

    She was half-Jewish (father’s side) but married a Jew. This experience didn’t affirm their Jewish identity, because they had none. They raised their sons as Christians, the boys became completely assimilated and their grandkids are all Protestants of one form or another. Quite accomplished, Ivy League grads, the whole bit. If they’d moved to Israel they’d have been “yekkes.”

    Unless you’re born Orthodox, religious Judaism is quite centrifugal.

  280. @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.

    Your argument is that nuclear weapons Israel supposedly constructed ca. 1977 made it possible for the Jewish population to build productive enterprises and functional institutions over four generations (1897- ), inflict repeated defeats on Arab armies over a period of 26 years (1947-73), and managed to geld and contain sets of Arab irregulars against whom nuclear weapons would be quite useless. And they accomplished all of this while never making any public reference to those magical nuclear weapons.

    made from material that they stole from the USA

    Did you cull this contention from the same website which told you that Israel’s agricultural and industrial base as it was in 1970 (which made them a high middle-income country) is attributable to nuclear weapons they’d never owned up to that point?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.
    Here’s a Wikipedia link to the Apollo Affair. Feel free to investigate further if you like. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
    Israel stole from the USA the fissionable material it used to construct its first nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco

  281. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Thanks for the witless insults. When you have an actual counter-argument, let me know.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Did you offer an argument? Just a bunch of garbage Zionism that any Israeli 17 year old would laugh at.

    Anyone who thinks that Israel could have survived without American economic and diplomatic aid is simply perverse and not worth engaging with.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Did you offer an argument? Just a bunch of garbage Zionism that any Israeli 17 year old would laugh at.

    I offered a discrete set of facts which have a fairly ready conclusion. My point is not obscure, just emotionally unacceptable to you.



    Anyone who thinks that Israel could have survived without American economic and diplomatic aid is simply perverse and not worth engaging with.

    Your contention has been addressed and refuted. You have your proverbial fingers in your ears.

  282. @Steve Sailer
    @Not a racist

    You could look at the murder rate in West Virginia, a pretty poor state.

    Replies: @Truth, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    “A pretty poor state” means personal income per capita about 20% below national means. That’s not poor on any international or historical scale.

    West Virginia’s population is unusually dispersed. About 10% live in concentrated knots of 50,000 or more (v. about 60% of the national population). About 45% live outside any metropolitan commuter belt (v. 15% of the general population). Note, places outside metropolitan commuter belts tend to have per capita income flows about 23% below those inside metropolitan commuter belts. About 1/3 of the distinction in income between West Virginia and the average state is attributable to it being a swatch of countryside with some towns here and there.

    The rest of the distinction is attributable to the state having abnormally low levels of labor mobilization. Employment-to-population ratios nationally tend to bounce around 0.60. West Virginia’s tend to be about 0.50.

    As far as I can tell, homicide rates in rural areas and small towns in West Virginia are about 3x those of comparable parts of New York State, about 1.5x those of comparable parts of Virginia.

  283. @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    Oh yes, we did. Read any standard book about the Cuban revolution.

    You haven't read them. Castro had his own objects and was a willing addition to the East Bloc.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    You haven’t read them.

    Have you? I didn’t think so. Was the Wikipedia entry wrong?

    Castro had his own objects and was a willing addition to the East Bloc.

    No doubt. But that doesn’t disprove that the SU wasn’t behind the revolution and was quite leery of him for at least a year. They misread the situation completely. It wasn’t until the US created a hole the size of a Mack truck that they came barreling through.

    I think Castro was actually quite convenient to the hard-core anti-Communist right in the US. We could and did live with him. He was a rallying cry. And hey, he got rid of polio in Cuba and as Steve pointed out, handled AIDS quite sensibly.

    Look bud, I’m not pro-Russian. I’m against American stupidity. Our products are the best in the world, or used to be. American soft power is unequalled.

    Again (and again) George Kennan is smarter than you. Suck on that, AD.

    https://archive.is/wZ2gG

    And perhaps it is not too late to advance a view that, I believe, is not only mine alone but is shared by a number of others with extensive and in most instances more recent experience in Russian matters. The view, bluntly stated, is that expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-cold-war era.

  284. @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Did you offer an argument? Just a bunch of garbage Zionism that any Israeli 17 year old would laugh at.

    Anyone who thinks that Israel could have survived without American economic and diplomatic aid is simply perverse and not worth engaging with.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Did you offer an argument? Just a bunch of garbage Zionism that any Israeli 17 year old would laugh at.

    I offered a discrete set of facts which have a fairly ready conclusion. My point is not obscure, just emotionally unacceptable to you.

    Anyone who thinks that Israel could have survived without American economic and diplomatic aid is simply perverse and not worth engaging with.

    Your contention has been addressed and refuted. You have your proverbial fingers in your ears.

  285. @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    You left out the part that makes all of that possible. Israel is sitting on a stack of nuclear weapons made from material that they stole from the USA. They’re also not part of the Non-proliferation treaty. They also freely attack any country who shows signs of developing its own nukes without fear of censure or sanction from the US or the UN.


    Your argument is that nuclear weapons Israel supposedly constructed ca. 1977 made it possible for the Jewish population to build productive enterprises and functional institutions over four generations (1897- ), inflict repeated defeats on Arab armies over a period of 26 years (1947-73), and managed to geld and contain sets of Arab irregulars against whom nuclear weapons would be quite useless. And they accomplished all of this while never making any public reference to those magical nuclear weapons.



    made from material that they stole from the USA

    Did you cull this contention from the same website which told you that Israel's agricultural and industrial base as it was in 1970 (which made them a high middle-income country) is attributable to nuclear weapons they'd never owned up to that point?

    Replies: @JMcG

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.
    Here’s a Wikipedia link to the Apollo Affair. Feel free to investigate further if you like. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
    Israel stole from the USA the fissionable material it used to construct its first nuclear weapons.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JMcG

    And what makes it possible for Israel to do this? The diplomatic cover that the US affords it.

    Art Deco's way of arguing is to snow you with a bunch of facts that are individually accurate but in the long run, a distortion. He denies that Israel would not exist in its current form without American aid AND diplomatic cover. I was careful to mention BOTH. Neither alone would have been sufficient.

    I cannot claim any originality in saying so. The fact is that I stole this from an number of hardcore good old-fashioned Zionists who I learned from during my years in Israel. Israelis themselves are refreshingly clear-eyed about the facts. It's only American Jews and their allies who deny them.

    There's an interesting book by one Hillel Halkin, Letters to an American Friend: A Zionist's Polemic, where he says exactly this. He's not ashamed of it. Nor is there anything to be ashamed of. It's just a fact. Unfortunately there's no "look inside" feature but trust me, he says this.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0827600933/

    I'm very grateful to the US for standing up for Israel during the 1973 war* and for preventing Israel's lynching at the UN in the years just following. The US took a risky and lonely stand. A good deal of the capitalist world would have happily sacrificed Israel for oil, and let's not forget that in 1973 the USSR was very much alive and a sponsor of Palestinian and other radical left terror groups. AD seems to have forgotten about that.

    What is shameful is that the US has habitually ignored and excused Israel's execrable human rights violations against helpless civilians, especially since the USSR died and Palestinian terror lost its main sponsor.

    It's gotten so bad that even some Jewish orgs have said, "Enough."

    https://israelpolicyforum.org/2022/01/25/major-jewish-organizations-condemn-jewish-extremist-violence/

    PS I was in Israel when Vanunu was nabbed. There wasn't much controversy about it. The little reaction I noted was quiet glee.

    *And more:

    https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2014/10/operation-nickel-grass-turning-point-yom-kippur-war/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.


    That's a stupid argument. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in a way that is dependent on them having a nuclear deterrent. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in any way that's peculiar at all given its somewhat odd circumstances. Its military expenditure is proportionately large (about 5.6% of GDP), but lower than the median maintained by the United States during the Cold War (about 6.7%) much less the median figure for Soviet Russia in that era (about 2x that of the US). It is lower than Saudi Arabia's (8.4%) as we speak. Again, Israel hasn't been at war with any Arab state in nearly 50 years, and it was so voluntarily only in 1956, as a junior partner of Britain and France. It conducts occasional assaults on paramilitary organizations which are its sworn enemy and stage attacks against it (Hezbollah and Hamas, primarily). It runs security patrols through much of the West Bank. You fancy they wouldn't do that if they did not have nuclear weapons?

    Replies: @JMcG, @HammerJack

  286. @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.
    Here’s a Wikipedia link to the Apollo Affair. Feel free to investigate further if you like. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
    Israel stole from the USA the fissionable material it used to construct its first nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco

    And what makes it possible for Israel to do this? The diplomatic cover that the US affords it.

    Art Deco’s way of arguing is to snow you with a bunch of facts that are individually accurate but in the long run, a distortion. He denies that Israel would not exist in its current form without American aid AND diplomatic cover. I was careful to mention BOTH. Neither alone would have been sufficient.

    I cannot claim any originality in saying so. The fact is that I stole this from an number of hardcore good old-fashioned Zionists who I learned from during my years in Israel. Israelis themselves are refreshingly clear-eyed about the facts. It’s only American Jews and their allies who deny them.

    There’s an interesting book by one Hillel Halkin, Letters to an American Friend: A Zionist’s Polemic, where he says exactly this. He’s not ashamed of it. Nor is there anything to be ashamed of. It’s just a fact. Unfortunately there’s no “look inside” feature but trust me, he says this.

    I’m very grateful to the US for standing up for Israel during the 1973 war* and for preventing Israel’s lynching at the UN in the years just following. The US took a risky and lonely stand. A good deal of the capitalist world would have happily sacrificed Israel for oil, and let’s not forget that in 1973 the USSR was very much alive and a sponsor of Palestinian and other radical left terror groups. AD seems to have forgotten about that.

    What is shameful is that the US has habitually ignored and excused Israel’s execrable human rights violations against helpless civilians, especially since the USSR died and Palestinian terror lost its main sponsor.

    It’s gotten so bad that even some Jewish orgs have said, “Enough.”

    https://israelpolicyforum.org/2022/01/25/major-jewish-organizations-condemn-jewish-extremist-violence/

    PS I was in Israel when Vanunu was nabbed. There wasn’t much controversy about it. The little reaction I noted was quiet glee.

    *And more:

    https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2014/10/operation-nickel-grass-turning-point-yom-kippur-war/

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Paperback Writer

    You have yet to pen a rebuttal, merely a collection of insults.

  287. @J.Ross
    @Truth

    Oh neat, tagteaming. Without looking I'm guessing that Montana's "spike" is less than a month of Chicago's murders from before the kneeling.

    Replies: @Truth

    Now Son, I ain’t attend onea’em fancy yoonee-verstees you did, but I do know what “all-time high” means…

  288. @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.
    Here’s a Wikipedia link to the Apollo Affair. Feel free to investigate further if you like. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
    Israel stole from the USA the fissionable material it used to construct its first nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Art Deco

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.

    That’s a stupid argument. Israel is not ‘conducting itself’ in a way that is dependent on them having a nuclear deterrent. Israel is not ‘conducting itself’ in any way that’s peculiar at all given its somewhat odd circumstances. Its military expenditure is proportionately large (about 5.6% of GDP), but lower than the median maintained by the United States during the Cold War (about 6.7%) much less the median figure for Soviet Russia in that era (about 2x that of the US). It is lower than Saudi Arabia’s (8.4%) as we speak. Again, Israel hasn’t been at war with any Arab state in nearly 50 years, and it was so voluntarily only in 1956, as a junior partner of Britain and France. It conducts occasional assaults on paramilitary organizations which are its sworn enemy and stage attacks against it (Hezbollah and Hamas, primarily). It runs security patrols through much of the West Bank. You fancy they wouldn’t do that if they did not have nuclear weapons?

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War. Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981. Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006. Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.
    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.
    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @HammerJack
    @Art Deco

    https://i.ibb.co/h7DQWNj/Screenshot-20220123-194923-Firefox.jpg

    Replies: @Art Deco

  289. @Paperback Writer
    @JMcG

    And what makes it possible for Israel to do this? The diplomatic cover that the US affords it.

    Art Deco's way of arguing is to snow you with a bunch of facts that are individually accurate but in the long run, a distortion. He denies that Israel would not exist in its current form without American aid AND diplomatic cover. I was careful to mention BOTH. Neither alone would have been sufficient.

    I cannot claim any originality in saying so. The fact is that I stole this from an number of hardcore good old-fashioned Zionists who I learned from during my years in Israel. Israelis themselves are refreshingly clear-eyed about the facts. It's only American Jews and their allies who deny them.

    There's an interesting book by one Hillel Halkin, Letters to an American Friend: A Zionist's Polemic, where he says exactly this. He's not ashamed of it. Nor is there anything to be ashamed of. It's just a fact. Unfortunately there's no "look inside" feature but trust me, he says this.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0827600933/

    I'm very grateful to the US for standing up for Israel during the 1973 war* and for preventing Israel's lynching at the UN in the years just following. The US took a risky and lonely stand. A good deal of the capitalist world would have happily sacrificed Israel for oil, and let's not forget that in 1973 the USSR was very much alive and a sponsor of Palestinian and other radical left terror groups. AD seems to have forgotten about that.

    What is shameful is that the US has habitually ignored and excused Israel's execrable human rights violations against helpless civilians, especially since the USSR died and Palestinian terror lost its main sponsor.

    It's gotten so bad that even some Jewish orgs have said, "Enough."

    https://israelpolicyforum.org/2022/01/25/major-jewish-organizations-condemn-jewish-extremist-violence/

    PS I was in Israel when Vanunu was nabbed. There wasn't much controversy about it. The little reaction I noted was quiet glee.

    *And more:

    https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2014/10/operation-nickel-grass-turning-point-yom-kippur-war/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You have yet to pen a rebuttal, merely a collection of insults.

  290. Would suggest you read Halkin’s book.

  291. @Brutusale
    @Art Deco

    Well, what are the Yanks (and Limeys) aggrieved about here?

    The Froggies and the Krauts are out. They saw next month's heating bill, so the Coalition of the Willing is much less willing this time.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-crisis-deescalating-nato-countries-break-bellicose-us-uk-stance

    Even the Ukrainians are telling people to slow their roll.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Even the Ukrainians are telling people to slow their roll.

    Do they know that Joe’s poll numbers are in the sub-basement, and that the tried-and-true method of raising a president’s poll numbers is a good old-fashioned W-A-R ??

  292. Buttigieg, back from paternity leave, vows help as U.S. car fatalities keep spiking higher
    https://ground.news/article/buttigieg-vows-help-as-us-car-fatalities-keep-spiking-higher_170cca

  293. @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.


    That's a stupid argument. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in a way that is dependent on them having a nuclear deterrent. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in any way that's peculiar at all given its somewhat odd circumstances. Its military expenditure is proportionately large (about 5.6% of GDP), but lower than the median maintained by the United States during the Cold War (about 6.7%) much less the median figure for Soviet Russia in that era (about 2x that of the US). It is lower than Saudi Arabia's (8.4%) as we speak. Again, Israel hasn't been at war with any Arab state in nearly 50 years, and it was so voluntarily only in 1956, as a junior partner of Britain and France. It conducts occasional assaults on paramilitary organizations which are its sworn enemy and stage attacks against it (Hezbollah and Hamas, primarily). It runs security patrols through much of the West Bank. You fancy they wouldn't do that if they did not have nuclear weapons?

    Replies: @JMcG, @HammerJack

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War. Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981. Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006. Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.
    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.
    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War.

    You know, when you order buffer troops out of the country (UNEF), close a consequential shipping lane (the Straits of Tiran), set up a makeshift alliance with two other countries, and make a lot of belligerent noises, it's a casus belli for your enemy.



    Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

    Why would a country with huge petroleum reserves be constructing a nuclear reactor? Aside from fanatics such as yourself, who actually mourns the Osirak reactor?



    Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006.

    Israel has been at war with (1) the PLO and its various winglets and (2) Hezbollah. Both were occupying Lebanese territory and both were using it to stage attacks on Israel. One problem Lebanon did not have after 1982 was the presence of Yasser Arafat's gangs. They had a dozen other problems, but they did not have that one. As for Hezbollah, you don't want Israel's military strafing you, stay home and do not cross the border or lob artillery over the border. Works for the Jordanians.


    Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.

    You think covert operations are something exclusive to Israel? Again, why do you want a hostile country like Iran to be manufacturing nuclear weapons unmolested? Which Arab governments do you fancy are pleased with that?



    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.

    What is the inventory of material that Pollard actually purloined, and which interest of ours was actually injured by that? The Pollard case was peculiar. The man pleads guilty to passing secrets to a friendly country and he gets 30 years anyway. For decades you had security state officials demanding he be kept locked up. I don't know about you, but after the last half-dozen years, my willingness to take at face value what's uttered by security state officials is just about nil.




    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    You fancy that countries without nuclear weapons (1) do not retaliate for armed attacks, (2) do not have clandestine services and (3) are untroubled by hostile governments who aspire to pose an existential threat.


    I should note here that it really irritates you that Israel's political leadership has a policy of actually defending their country and retaliating for attacks. Almost as if they think their common life and the lives of their citizens has value.

    Replies: @JMcG

  294. @Inquiring Mind
    @Kronos

    I think iSteve is trolling us, and by extension himself, with that Rogues Gallery of the different Soviet nationalities.

    That said, those guys do look Ukrainian.

    Another way to look at the How to Tell Russians Apart from Ukrainians post is that people who live there can pretty much tell each other apart. That so many of the people in the Soviet Police Guide to Nationalities look alike could be the all-Chinese-look-the-same effect, but yes, many of them do because they are the same ethnicity?

    Police in Moscow, say, have probably seen people with all of those facial features and hence know what these necessarily abstract representations are making reference to, but the panel of sketches helps the police assign a label to a facial type. Instead of saying, "a tovarich looking like Lenin was observed fleeing the scene" they could say a "Uzbek male"?

    Or the manager of a T J Maxx in Madison, WI, instead of saying a "dopey looking East Asian" could say, "A Kazakh female left the store with $500 worth of merchandise."

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    I worked in the Caribbean with many blacks from different islands, and they could all tell the difference if someone was from Jamacia, St Lucia, Dominica, Haiti, Trinidad, etc, by the way they looked, dressed, and carried themselves.

  295. @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that Israel is able to conduct itself the way it does because it lives under a nuclear umbrella constructed from material it stole from the USA and does so by refusing to subject itself to the terms of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. It is a rogue nation.
    Are you really pretending that Israel doesn’t have a nuclear arsenal? That’s unusual for someone as reliably clear-eyed as you.


    That's a stupid argument. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in a way that is dependent on them having a nuclear deterrent. Israel is not 'conducting itself' in any way that's peculiar at all given its somewhat odd circumstances. Its military expenditure is proportionately large (about 5.6% of GDP), but lower than the median maintained by the United States during the Cold War (about 6.7%) much less the median figure for Soviet Russia in that era (about 2x that of the US). It is lower than Saudi Arabia's (8.4%) as we speak. Again, Israel hasn't been at war with any Arab state in nearly 50 years, and it was so voluntarily only in 1956, as a junior partner of Britain and France. It conducts occasional assaults on paramilitary organizations which are its sworn enemy and stage attacks against it (Hezbollah and Hamas, primarily). It runs security patrols through much of the West Bank. You fancy they wouldn't do that if they did not have nuclear weapons?

    Replies: @JMcG, @HammerJack

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    There is no colonial oppression. The Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza want a better deal, they could have had one. Their political leadership rejected it. The Arabs in Israel are a minority in a national state. They're dissatisfied with their situation in various ways, but their is no feature of Arab life in Israel that qualifies as oppression. The notion that a 'race or religion based state' is impermissible exists in your interlocutor's imagination and no where else. You have national states all over the globe. If you'd care to look at the formal constitutions of Arab states, you'll see some variant of the locution 'Islam is the religion of the state' time and again. There is no prescribed racial segregation in Israel. There is ethnic clotting in Israel, but that's perfectly unremarkable in any culturally fissured population. And, yes, if you send masses of people to mob the border, they will be shot by the border sentries, whether they're carrying pistols or not. That's why you hire border sentries. That's why Hamas only attempts it intermittently. And you're upset there is 'conquered' territory in Isreal. There's conquered territory in Poland and White Russia, about which no one cares a fig.

    You really need to read people who are adept at something other than glib lies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  296. @Harry Baldwin
    The following article appeared in TIME magazine in 1958, well before the Great Society programs so often blamed for black dysfunction. It discusses the alarmingly high rate of "Negro crime," then raises issues that are still relevant today, such as the inclination to suppress this information or to blame the problem on racism.

    National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION
    Monday, Apr. 21, 1958

    THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North's big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

    In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

    New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

    Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

    Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder's Court were Negroes. Of last year's 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

    Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

    San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year's 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

    Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit's Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: "The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers."


    But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: "When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as 'typically Negro.' " Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

    Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a "conspiracy of concealment." In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

    Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal's race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

    In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the "conspiracy of concealment" helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

    Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

    Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

    Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

    But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

    Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

    "Slam enough doors in a man's face, and he may break one of them down," said San Francisco's Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won't be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262-1,00.html

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @rebel yell, @Sick 'n Tired

    Change the date and substitute negro with African American/black, and this reads like any current NY Times/WaPo article today.

  297. @Not Raul
    It’s an interesting chart.

    Eyeballing it, murder declines from 2008 to 2011. This is odd; because unemployment was increasing for much of this period.

    Then flat from 2012-14.

    Then up from 2015 (Ferguson) to the present, with a huge increase in 2020.

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    They were riding the high of Obama being elected, thinking he was going to pay all their bills, but like everything, eventually the bloom wears off the rose and people fall back into their familiar habits.

  298. @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War. Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981. Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006. Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.
    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.
    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War.

    You know, when you order buffer troops out of the country (UNEF), close a consequential shipping lane (the Straits of Tiran), set up a makeshift alliance with two other countries, and make a lot of belligerent noises, it’s a casus belli for your enemy.

    Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

    Why would a country with huge petroleum reserves be constructing a nuclear reactor? Aside from fanatics such as yourself, who actually mourns the Osirak reactor?

    Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006.

    Israel has been at war with (1) the PLO and its various winglets and (2) Hezbollah. Both were occupying Lebanese territory and both were using it to stage attacks on Israel. One problem Lebanon did not have after 1982 was the presence of Yasser Arafat’s gangs. They had a dozen other problems, but they did not have that one. As for Hezbollah, you don’t want Israel’s military strafing you, stay home and do not cross the border or lob artillery over the border. Works for the Jordanians.

    Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.

    You think covert operations are something exclusive to Israel? Again, why do you want a hostile country like Iran to be manufacturing nuclear weapons unmolested? Which Arab governments do you fancy are pleased with that?

    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.

    What is the inventory of material that Pollard actually purloined, and which interest of ours was actually injured by that? The Pollard case was peculiar. The man pleads guilty to passing secrets to a friendly country and he gets 30 years anyway. For decades you had security state officials demanding he be kept locked up. I don’t know about you, but after the last half-dozen years, my willingness to take at face value what’s uttered by security state officials is just about nil.

    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    You fancy that countries without nuclear weapons (1) do not retaliate for armed attacks, (2) do not have clandestine services and (3) are untroubled by hostile governments who aspire to pose an existential threat.

    I should note here that it really irritates you that Israel’s political leadership has a policy of actually defending their country and retaliating for attacks. Almost as if they think their common life and the lives of their citizens has value.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art, that’s a ridiculous response. I certainly don’t mourn the Osirak reactor. You asked for evidence that Israel behaves in the way it does because it is nuclear armed. That’s what I provided.
    To ask for an inventory of the information stolen and provided to a “friendly” government by the scum Jonathan Pollard is even more ridiculous. It is widely accepted that Israel forwarded the stolen information to at least the Soviets.
    You seem to have chosen not to address the fact that the Israeli nuclear arsenal was constructed with material stolen from the US. Again, some way for a “friendly” nation to behave.
    You really go off the rails when even mild criticism of Israel is made.

  299. @HammerJack
    @Art Deco

    https://i.ibb.co/h7DQWNj/Screenshot-20220123-194923-Firefox.jpg

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There is no colonial oppression. The Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza want a better deal, they could have had one. Their political leadership rejected it. The Arabs in Israel are a minority in a national state. They’re dissatisfied with their situation in various ways, but their is no feature of Arab life in Israel that qualifies as oppression. The notion that a ‘race or religion based state’ is impermissible exists in your interlocutor’s imagination and no where else. You have national states all over the globe. If you’d care to look at the formal constitutions of Arab states, you’ll see some variant of the locution ‘Islam is the religion of the state’ time and again. There is no prescribed racial segregation in Israel. There is ethnic clotting in Israel, but that’s perfectly unremarkable in any culturally fissured population. And, yes, if you send masses of people to mob the border, they will be shot by the border sentries, whether they’re carrying pistols or not. That’s why you hire border sentries. That’s why Hamas only attempts it intermittently. And you’re upset there is ‘conquered’ territory in Isreal. There’s conquered territory in Poland and White Russia, about which no one cares a fig.

    You really need to read people who are adept at something other than glib lies.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Art Deco

    "They’re dissatisfied with their situation in various ways, but their is no feature of Arab life in Israel that qualifies as oppression."

    Except when their homes get bulldozed.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931379662/israel-uses-cover-of-us-election-to-destroy-palestinian-homes-critics-say

    "There is no prescribed racial segregation in Israel".

    Just discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel in areas of planning, budget allocation, policing, and political participation.

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution#

    Are you really this out of touch with reality?

  300. @Steve Sailer
    @Not a racist

    You could look at the murder rate in West Virginia, a pretty poor state.

    Replies: @Truth, @Art Deco, @Corvinus

    “The return of Black Lives Matter on May 25, 2020 coincided with a historic surge in black homicide fatalities and traffic fatalities.”

    Correlation does not equal causation. As I have stated before, your Racial Reckoning theory has holes in it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/16/this-summers-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelming-peaceful-our-research-finds/

    Now, these conclusions doesn’t fit your tin cup narrative, of course. But you can put your alleged pattern recognition skills to the test to bolster your case. This is in your wheelhouse.

    https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

    Mine the data. Clearly define terms and criteria. Establish how many BLM protests were violent and murderous, along with how and why each protest led to subsequent murders.

    And here is something else for you to ponder.

    https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/article/43/2/225/5992372

  301. @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    There is no colonial oppression. The Arabs on the West Bank and Gaza want a better deal, they could have had one. Their political leadership rejected it. The Arabs in Israel are a minority in a national state. They're dissatisfied with their situation in various ways, but their is no feature of Arab life in Israel that qualifies as oppression. The notion that a 'race or religion based state' is impermissible exists in your interlocutor's imagination and no where else. You have national states all over the globe. If you'd care to look at the formal constitutions of Arab states, you'll see some variant of the locution 'Islam is the religion of the state' time and again. There is no prescribed racial segregation in Israel. There is ethnic clotting in Israel, but that's perfectly unremarkable in any culturally fissured population. And, yes, if you send masses of people to mob the border, they will be shot by the border sentries, whether they're carrying pistols or not. That's why you hire border sentries. That's why Hamas only attempts it intermittently. And you're upset there is 'conquered' territory in Isreal. There's conquered territory in Poland and White Russia, about which no one cares a fig.

    You really need to read people who are adept at something other than glib lies.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “They’re dissatisfied with their situation in various ways, but their is no feature of Arab life in Israel that qualifies as oppression.”

    Except when their homes get bulldozed.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931379662/israel-uses-cover-of-us-election-to-destroy-palestinian-homes-critics-say

    “There is no prescribed racial segregation in Israel”.

    Just discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel in areas of planning, budget allocation, policing, and political participation.

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution#

    Are you really this out of touch with reality?

  302. @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the “Man”.
     
    No, they just spit in your food and made you sick.



    https://www.neiu.edu/sites/default/files/styles/feature_image/public/hub.neiu.edu/news-images/2016/01/22/Jesse%20Jackson-Brown%20Background.jpg?itok=CNejqCw9

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Truth, @Michelle

    Why wouldn’t they spit in your food? Who could blame them?

  303. @Art Deco
    @JMcG

    Israel attacked Egypt to launch the Six Day War.

    You know, when you order buffer troops out of the country (UNEF), close a consequential shipping lane (the Straits of Tiran), set up a makeshift alliance with two other countries, and make a lot of belligerent noises, it's a casus belli for your enemy.



    Israel attacked an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

    Why would a country with huge petroleum reserves be constructing a nuclear reactor? Aside from fanatics such as yourself, who actually mourns the Osirak reactor?



    Israel invaded southern Lebanon many times between 1978 and 2006.

    Israel has been at war with (1) the PLO and its various winglets and (2) Hezbollah. Both were occupying Lebanese territory and both were using it to stage attacks on Israel. One problem Lebanon did not have after 1982 was the presence of Yasser Arafat's gangs. They had a dozen other problems, but they did not have that one. As for Hezbollah, you don't want Israel's military strafing you, stay home and do not cross the border or lob artillery over the border. Works for the Jordanians.


    Israel has engaged in many targeted assassinations of Iranian scientists and attacked Iranian nuclear facilities on many occasions.

    You think covert operations are something exclusive to Israel? Again, why do you want a hostile country like Iran to be manufacturing nuclear weapons unmolested? Which Arab governments do you fancy are pleased with that?



    Israel has done severe damage to US National security through the actions of its spies, most notably Jonathan Pollard.

    What is the inventory of material that Pollard actually purloined, and which interest of ours was actually injured by that? The Pollard case was peculiar. The man pleads guilty to passing secrets to a friendly country and he gets 30 years anyway. For decades you had security state officials demanding he be kept locked up. I don't know about you, but after the last half-dozen years, my willingness to take at face value what's uttered by security state officials is just about nil.




    Israel acts with impunity on the world stage for two reasons: the protection of the US and its nuclear arsenal.

    You fancy that countries without nuclear weapons (1) do not retaliate for armed attacks, (2) do not have clandestine services and (3) are untroubled by hostile governments who aspire to pose an existential threat.


    I should note here that it really irritates you that Israel's political leadership has a policy of actually defending their country and retaliating for attacks. Almost as if they think their common life and the lives of their citizens has value.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Art, that’s a ridiculous response. I certainly don’t mourn the Osirak reactor. You asked for evidence that Israel behaves in the way it does because it is nuclear armed. That’s what I provided.
    To ask for an inventory of the information stolen and provided to a “friendly” government by the scum Jonathan Pollard is even more ridiculous. It is widely accepted that Israel forwarded the stolen information to at least the Soviets.
    You seem to have chosen not to address the fact that the Israeli nuclear arsenal was constructed with material stolen from the US. Again, some way for a “friendly” nation to behave.
    You really go off the rails when even mild criticism of Israel is made.

  304. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bubba


    Today even the women of our USCG sport tattoos on their forearms.

    And the article is hilarious – thanks!
     
    So is this one... Until you stop and think about it:


    Too many women in the wrong places: Norwegian navy edition

    BTW, the name Kirkegaard means, indeed is clearly cognate to, "churchyard". But Danes also use it as a synonym for " cemetery".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bubba

    Thank you for that – never visited that site and he has some very interesting posts.

    Following your comments alone is worth my monthly stipend to the UR.

  305. @Michelle
    @AceDeuce

    Except that they didn't. The underclass of every race have always been with us, but Blacks, on average did not engage in wholesale murder and criminality until the left told them that they had the right to get back at the "Man". It's happening now more than ever.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mike Tre, @AceDeuce, @Harry Baldwin, @Bubba

    Not true. Some of the most ardent abolitionists often wrote and stated in speeches that the majority of negro men were quite violent (but were quite colorful in language and could be entertaining at times) and that particular race should be kept separate from others. It’s always been known by every culture on earth for recorded history that blacks are far more violent, anti-social and not too bright – mankind doesn’t change.

    Please read up on the American Colonization Society. It started out with some success, but failed when extremist abolitionists thought total integration in the United States would be a swell idea. What a great idea that we are still paying dearly for in trillions and innocent lives lost. And Liberia (its capitol named after President Monroe) ended up being a typical African basket case that eventually allowed slavery.

    Had blacks followed the advice of intelligent realists like Booker T. Washington & George Washington Carver (who have been cancelled and isolated as “Uncle Tom” by blacks for a couple of generations now) things certainly would have turned out better for them.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Bubba

    Sorry Bubba, I disagree with you. 5 days a week, I travel, on foot, through a high crime area. I have passed hundreds of down and out, mentally ill, Black men, without incident, or with minor annoyances. Black people are entirely capable of civilized behavior, should society hold them to it.

  306. @Bubba
    @Michelle

    Not true. Some of the most ardent abolitionists often wrote and stated in speeches that the majority of negro men were quite violent (but were quite colorful in language and could be entertaining at times) and that particular race should be kept separate from others. It's always been known by every culture on earth for recorded history that blacks are far more violent, anti-social and not too bright - mankind doesn't change.

    Please read up on the American Colonization Society. It started out with some success, but failed when extremist abolitionists thought total integration in the United States would be a swell idea. What a great idea that we are still paying dearly for in trillions and innocent lives lost. And Liberia (its capitol named after President Monroe) ended up being a typical African basket case that eventually allowed slavery.

    Had blacks followed the advice of intelligent realists like Booker T. Washington & George Washington Carver (who have been cancelled and isolated as "Uncle Tom" by blacks for a couple of generations now) things certainly would have turned out better for them.

    Replies: @Michelle

    Sorry Bubba, I disagree with you. 5 days a week, I travel, on foot, through a high crime area. I have passed hundreds of down and out, mentally ill, Black men, without incident, or with minor annoyances. Black people are entirely capable of civilized behavior, should society hold them to it.

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