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The U.S. women upset the Jamaicans in the 4 x 100 meter sprint relay tonight.
One of the things you notice about African-American sprinters is that they tend to look like they are very African by ancestry, more so than the average African-American, even though track and field is traditionally something of a Talented Tenth pastime. Back in the Jim Crow era, Southern black colleges like Morehouse switched their main spring sport from baseball to track so they could compete in the newspaper reports of times for Olympic team attention.
Allyson Felix, winning her fifth gold medal in her fourth Olympics, has the traditional middle class African-American background: her father is a minister, her mother is a schoolteacher. Felix has what John Updike in The Coup called classic Negroid features, yet she’s the fairest of the four. Anchorwoman Tori Bowie from Mississippi is exceptionally dark for an African-American. She is darker that the Nigerian relay women.
These patterns within the African American population suggests that sprinting isn’t just socially associated with having at least one drop of African blood. Instead, in the 100 meters, the more drops the better.
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Lol. Brooks should have known better than to utter something so stupid.
Far less African looking than most US black females.
Although in her case maybe like another not so dark sprinter Marion Jones, Flo-Jo had a few drops of something else in her blood.
RIP - Flo Jo Workout
Earlier in the week I mentioned that the Brits I saw in gymnastics and men’s rugby were all mixed-race. I was a bit startled when I saw the British women’s 4×100 team come out.
The “black” woman running for Germany, Tatjana Pinto, has a Portuguese father and an Angolan mother.
People are confused Andre De Grasse’s ethnicity because he is lighter than most black sprinters. Both of Andre’s parents are black. His mother is from Trinidad and was a sprinter. His father is from Barbados.
Your broad theme here is that every race has its talents and areas to excel. Only problem is that in advanced nation’s economies brawn is getting devalued and outsourced every year while brainpower is getting better compensated. Professional sports with good-excellent TV packages being the exception.
Wake up. We are all becoming mixed brown worker bees in a global hive. Our athletes don't look like us, and our brains are commodities without national identities or powers thereof.
I’m always surprised how light skinned American Blacks are compared to other blacks. Compare these 4 women with the British ones. The British sprinters were all black as coal.
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks.
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks."
You think those 4 Black American women that Steve Sailer posted are "light skin"? As in they look like Mulattos to you? You have quite a broad definition of "light skin". When I think of light skin Blacks I think of Lolo Jones, Ice T, Stephen Curry, and Kamala Harris for example.
The two on the right look Black as coal and the two on the left look Brown. None of them look High Yella like Sade Adu or caramel like Beyoncé.Replies: @Unzerker, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
#OscarsSoWhite, but #TrackSoBlack.
Edwin Moses was a physics and engineering major at Morehouse. Morehouse had a track team but no track. Moses had to use the track at public high schools and pretty much coached himself. He ran the 120-yard and 440-yard hurdles, switching to just the 400m hurdles a few months before the 1976 Olympic trials. The Montreal Olympics was his first international event, where he won gold and set a world record.
After graduation he worked for General Dynamics. Soon after Moses was instrumental in changing eligibility rules, allowing athletes to receive funding.
Moses’ son (white mother) plays Division II college volleyball at Lewis University and is a physics major. Moses’ father played football at Kentucky State, taught math and science and was an elementary school principal. His mother was supervisor of instruction for the Dayton, OH public school system.
We were victims of the old bait and switch.
The UK 4 x 100 team who won bronze in 1964 were Janet Simpson, Mary Rand, Daphne Arden and Dorothy Hyman.
Their 2016 bronze counterparts are Asha Philip, Desiree Henry, Dina Asher-Smith and Daryll Neita.
Ms Kłobukowska gave birth to a son in 1968, so I'm not sure that sex test was kosher. Having kids is a pretty female thing.
"Medical publications revealed that Klobukowska is a genetic mosaic of XX/XXY."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewa_K%C5%82obukowska
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks.Replies: @jefferson, @syonredux
“I’m always surprised how light skinned American Blacks are compared to other blacks. Compare these 4 women with the British ones. The British sprinters were all black as coal.
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks.”
You think those 4 Black American women that Steve Sailer posted are “light skin”? As in they look like Mulattos to you? You have quite a broad definition of “light skin”. When I think of light skin Blacks I think of Lolo Jones, Ice T, Stephen Curry, and Kamala Harris for example.
The two on the right look Black as coal and the two on the left look Brown. None of them look High Yella like Sade Adu or caramel like Beyoncé.
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anon
#runbetter
After graduation he worked for General Dynamics. Soon after Moses was instrumental in changing eligibility rules, allowing athletes to receive funding.
Moses' son (white mother) plays Division II college volleyball at Lewis University and is a physics major. Moses' father played football at Kentucky State, taught math and science and was an elementary school principal. His mother was supervisor of instruction for the Dayton, OH public school system.Replies: @anon, @Anonymous
Edwin Moses was also touted as an example of the benefits of Alexander Technique training by teachers of the Alexander Technique.
After graduation he worked for General Dynamics. Soon after Moses was instrumental in changing eligibility rules, allowing athletes to receive funding.
Moses' son (white mother) plays Division II college volleyball at Lewis University and is a physics major. Moses' father played football at Kentucky State, taught math and science and was an elementary school principal. His mother was supervisor of instruction for the Dayton, OH public school system.Replies: @anon, @Anonymous
Edwin Moses was also an example of who or what we thought we were agreeing to when we decided to lower the barriers that kept the black race from advancing in our Great Society.
We were victims of the old bait and switch.
I wonder if Tori Bowie is any relation to the late David Bowie?
The "black" woman running for Germany, Tatjana Pinto, has a Portuguese father and an Angolan mother.
People are confused Andre De Grasse's ethnicity because he is lighter than most black sprinters. Both of Andre's parents are black. His mother is from Trinidad and was a sprinter. His father is from Barbados.Replies: @Lot
Angola and nearby Namibia had a moderate bit of Portuguese and German introgression into their elite and upper-middle local African gene pools. Angola’s peak white population was 3% of the total, and Namibia’s much smaller population is still about 5% white and 10% mixed white.
“Anchorwoman Tori Bowie from Mississippi is exceptionally dark for an African-American. She is darker that the Nigerian relay women.”
Mississippi Blacks on average look like Haitians. It doesn’t seem like there was too much racial miscegenation between Blacks and Whites in Mississippi. Mississippi doesn’t have as many Mulatto phenotypes as their next door neighbor Louisiana.
Haitians in the Dominican Republic are usually darker than Dominicans, however part of the reason for that is that Haitian men often work in outdoor jobs like agriculture and constructions where they are exposed to a lot of sun.
There is not necessarily a connection between darkness of skin and facial features. The darkest woman I have ever knows was a woman in Bermuda who had jet black skin, and yet she had totally Caucasian features, nose shape, thin lips, voice, etc.
Namibia’s Olympic delegation in the Parade of Nations was pretty white. I’m guessing 4 whites out of 9 athletes and most of the officials. (Obscure countries send a lot of officials to the Olympics.)
I think the Vice President of Zambia is white . Think the Botswana President has an Anglo mother ( shades of you know who )
Chris Froome the current Tour de France champion is a white Kenyan ( he originally represented Kenya internationally but having GB after your name pays better )
Maybe when the white community are a small numeric minority- as opposed to a very obvious one - it is actually better for whitesReplies: @SFG, @Lot
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks."
You think those 4 Black American women that Steve Sailer posted are "light skin"? As in they look like Mulattos to you? You have quite a broad definition of "light skin". When I think of light skin Blacks I think of Lolo Jones, Ice T, Stephen Curry, and Kamala Harris for example.
The two on the right look Black as coal and the two on the left look Brown. None of them look High Yella like Sade Adu or caramel like Beyoncé.Replies: @Unzerker, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
I said “light skinned compared to other blacks”.
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.
She would definitely pass for darker than Nigeria. Also, she made clear that she wasn't down with wearing any weaves for herself. That's probably dark brown to black. There are some lighter ones mixed in but for the most part, there are high concentrations of dark brown to black.http://www.amren.com/features/2016/08/the-truth-about-the-milwaukee-riots/Thank you, Mr Taylor, your herculean efforts are appreciated and at times quite helpful.So Americans if they bother to notice, will definitely see just how African-Americans really are.
It will not have escaped your eagle eye, Steve, that Allyson Felix is now the most decorated female American track and field athlete of all time, surpassing Jackie Joyner-Kersee.
She didn’t get first place in the individual 400m through just sheer bad luck – the Bahaman lady dived over the line and just edged Allyson into second.
Not bad for someone nicknamed “Chicken Legs” at school.
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anon
The Nigerian runners weren’t as dark as the American anchorwoman.
Is it Senegal where people are that almost blue-black color? That’s kind of odd because Senegal is pretty far north on the edge of the Sahara, where the inhabitants transition through a cline to olive-skinned Caucasians in Morocco. It’s kind of odd that people in Senegal on the northern edge of West Africa are blacker colored than in Nigeria in the heart of West Africa. I wonder why that is?
Wondering leads to noticing, noticing leads to wondering. It's a vicious circle.
It's worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who's now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the "local fare" he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé.
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it's extraordinarily nuanced; I've guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Black & White are such broad distinctions so as to be meaningful only in the broad continental sense; after a while one could pick out the various tribal phenotype in Uganda without much difficulty whatsoever.Replies: @Glossy, @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous
No comment about the men's gold medal 4x100 relay race? I was shocked to see teams from Japan and China. Of course, the anchor man for the silver medal-winning Japanese team is half-Jamaican. It's also interesting that the success of the Japanese team is attributed to the accuracy of their teamwork as opposed to raw athleticism.
Damon
http://indianexpress.com/sports/rio-2016-olympics/japan-unlikely-relay-silver-medallists-teamwork-trumps-speed-2987082/eir
And the winning Polish team in 1964 had their world record annulled in 1967, after Ewa Kłobukowska failed a sex test.
Ms Kłobukowska gave birth to a son in 1968, so I’m not sure that sex test was kosher. Having kids is a pretty female thing.
“Medical publications revealed that Klobukowska is a genetic mosaic of XX/XXY.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewa_K%C5%82obukowska
I’m curious if we will reach a plateau in track where records can no longer be broken, that a Usain Bolt,eg., will run as fast as a human can biologically run. Seems to have happened in horse racing where Secretariat’s times in the Kentucky, Belmont and Preakness races still stand 40 plus years later.
Training ( and doping) might allow humans to push the limits but at some point it just won’t be possible to run or leap faster or higher than some extraordinary specimen from times past. How much interest will there be in Olympic competition if Roger Bannister’s 4 minute mile were still the record 50 or 100 years from now.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the races were open. Maybe Akhal-Tekes or crossbreeds would start winning.
You don’t seem to hear anti white stories coming from Namibia ( or Botswana ) unlike South Africa and Zimbabwe
I think the Vice President of Zambia is white . Think the Botswana President has an Anglo mother ( shades of you know who )
Chris Froome the current Tour de France champion is a white Kenyan ( he originally represented Kenya internationally but having GB after your name pays better )
Maybe when the white community are a small numeric minority- as opposed to a very obvious one – it is actually better for whites
Namibia's coast is not too hospitable for West African Bantu migrants. It has mild winters and cool summers. In fact summers in Oslo are warmer than in Walvis Bay, where the summer highs are around 66F.
Allyson Felix is far more attractive than the rest of the female sprinters. She seems fairly well spoken and intelligent as well.
Overall, i'm not on board with Steve's contention. I'll admit Steve's point that Felix is more classically a negress than talented tenthers, but i think she's quite respectably "talented tenth" looking. And she carries it with classy, respectable, non-ghetto Christian behavior.
And crazy eyes English Gardner--also lighter than the African-American norm--does not have a classically black face at all. Her nose is narrow, her lips not AA full. If you lightened her up several f-stops she'd look un-remarkably caucasian, which is not true of 95+% of AA blacks. Beware those crazy eyes though ... she could be scary.
Tori Bowie is interesting. She is indeed very dark, but her "look" is not classically African American--it's just a bit weird (mostly around the eyes). My impression has been that there are parts of the deep south--particularly in Mississippi--where you find a much higher percentage of not very mixed blacks. (I've spent all of about two-days in Mississippi in my life, but that was my impression there.) Tori seems to be a real down-home, down to earth girl, not full of herself. Hard not to like her.
Leadoff gal, Tianna Bartoletta is the one that's most classically black, closest to the look of the typical African American--including color and features. Just cuter.
Overall, i don't see these women as skewing particularly African relative to the African American average--more like a distribution around it. What they are is considerably more African than the African Americans that the media trots out as actors\actresses, TV presenters, personalities, noisemakers, commercial actors, etc. But then that's no surprise. Those mulattoes are more talented than the other 9/10ths, and honestly white people would not enjoy the exposure to the typical black appearance\intelligence ... and it would screw up the narrative!
“Anchorwoman Tori Bowie from Mississippi is exceptionally dark for an African-American. She is darker that the Nigerian relay women.”
This reads just like a Jefferson comment. You can only approve so many of his comments before he gets into your head.
No doubt they will apply their fast-twitch muscles to the Nobel prizes next.
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anon
“I said “light skinned compared to other blacks”.
Compare them to the British team:”
None of those 4 Black American women would be described as light skin/high yellow/light bright and damn near White in the Black community. All of them are darker than Obama.
“I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans”
African Americans on average are less mixed race than Afro Latinos.
More likely Jim Bowie, famous Kentucky Border Reaver, Alamo hero and creater of the eponymous knife, from whom the singer took his name.
In that case we can nickname her the Thin Black Duchess.
I’ve read that South Sudan’s inhabitants have the darkest skin in Africa, though being a fairly new and small country they’re not much of a presence in sports. South Sudanese and the inhabitants of Bouganville Island in the Pacific are the darkest people in the world.
“Is it Senegal where people are that almost blue-black color? That’s kind of odd because Senegal is pretty far north on the edge of the Sahara, where the inhabitants transition through a cline to olive-skinned Caucasians in Morocco. It’s kind of odd that people in Senegal on the northern edge of West Africa are blacker colored than in Nigeria in the heart of West Africa. I wonder why that is?”
The Sudan shares a border with the Arab North African nation of Egypt and The Sudan has a large population of people who have even Blacker skin than Usain Bolt.
Training ( and doping) might allow humans to push the limits but at some point it just won't be possible to run or leap faster or higher than some extraordinary specimen from times past. How much interest will there be in Olympic competition if Roger Bannister's 4 minute mile were still the record 50 or 100 years from now.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @jimmyriddle, @Anon7, @Buffalo Joe
I already have zero interest in the Olympics because it is obviously just a highly politicized, poorly managed, overblown pep rally for borderless transnational socialism and other leftist projects. Also, the athletes are a bunch of mindless, mollycoddled, self-absorbed snowflakes. When you look at Michael Phelps’ collection of medals and then listen to one of his brain-dead interviews, it is clear that he has spent his entire life having to worry about nothing but swimming. He was groomed from an early age to be exactly what he is. It takes an excessive amount of parental and societal over-investment to maintain the petri dishes in which these hothouse flower athletes are grown. That is a far more significant sort of “doping,” in my mind, than the chemical variety that Steve usually obsesses about. Now I ask the question: What exactly does an athletic competition under such circumstances betoken? Nothing I am remotely interested in, that’s for sure.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The “Spirit of the Games,” as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.
The Greek Olympics were similar: athletes only wanted to win, losing was a shame, winners were given a handsome reward and a lifetime pension by their polis, but they reaped other benefits of their status as Olympic winners, both financial (it gabe them social capital) and other benefits (an endless supply of lovers, often homosexual), etc.
The amateur ethos was invented by Coubertin, and it would be totally alien to the ancients.
I value Greek civilization high enough to think the problem is not with the Olympics.
I completely agree.
The biggest factor hindering the running speed in women is the width of their child bearing hips. So the best female runners will come from the populations with the narrowest hipped women presumably from populations that give birth to the smallest headed babies.
#actbetter
“I wonder why that is?”
Wondering leads to noticing, noticing leads to wondering. It’s a vicious circle.
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks."
You think those 4 Black American women that Steve Sailer posted are "light skin"? As in they look like Mulattos to you? You have quite a broad definition of "light skin". When I think of light skin Blacks I think of Lolo Jones, Ice T, Stephen Curry, and Kamala Harris for example.
The two on the right look Black as coal and the two on the left look Brown. None of them look High Yella like Sade Adu or caramel like Beyoncé.Replies: @Unzerker, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
When she wears her East European weave, Beyonce can really rock that caramel look.
wow those girls in the photo are beautiful. black girls and mulattas are the most physically attractive .
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anon
“I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.”
Were you watching any of the happenings in Milwaukee? Did you catch Sharelle Smith, sister of Sybille Smith? She gave an impassioned speech about where to take the riots? That one.
She would definitely pass for darker than Nigeria. Also, she made clear that she wasn’t down with wearing any weaves for herself. That’s probably dark brown to black. There are some lighter ones mixed in but for the most part, there are high concentrations of dark brown to black.
http://www.amren.com/features/2016/08/the-truth-about-the-milwaukee-riots/
Thank you, Mr Taylor, your herculean efforts are appreciated and at times quite helpful.
So Americans if they bother to notice, will definitely see just how African-Americans really are.
I was thinking about the idea that perhaps blacks get more benefits from PEDs and what would happen in a national group (like the Russians) if you suddenly stopped PEDs. The athletes who benefited most would rise higher in the system and the naturals would be filtered out. Then when PEDs were stopped, you’d be missing many of your best athletes.
Training ( and doping) might allow humans to push the limits but at some point it just won't be possible to run or leap faster or higher than some extraordinary specimen from times past. How much interest will there be in Olympic competition if Roger Bannister's 4 minute mile were still the record 50 or 100 years from now.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @jimmyriddle, @Anon7, @Buffalo Joe
Those races are restricted to thoroughbreds. That’s a pretty small gene pool – all descended from 4 stallions.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the races were open. Maybe Akhal-Tekes or crossbreeds would start winning.
Training ( and doping) might allow humans to push the limits but at some point it just won't be possible to run or leap faster or higher than some extraordinary specimen from times past. How much interest will there be in Olympic competition if Roger Bannister's 4 minute mile were still the record 50 or 100 years from now.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @jimmyriddle, @Anon7, @Buffalo Joe
There’s always a benefit in measuring yourself against an ancient standard.
OT but is this seems ominous :
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-battle-over-obamas-internet-surrender-1465770111
Hurdles, at all distances, seem to attract the more feminine of the track-and-field women. Look at the African-American trio who swept the 100m hurdles. All quite attractive. I’d say they also look far less “pallored,” but Steve, you know that skin tone is not a perfect marker for African ancestry.
Is it Senegal where people are that almost blue-black color?
Is that an Americanism? I’ve no idea what a “blue-black” person looks like.
Blue-black is a typical White American description of others. The description is the result of noticing, appreciating differences.
An amateurish question here but is there any evidence that black athletes in sports like football or soccer have less endurance due to the above phenomenon? How many miles does the average soccer player run per game?
Watching the women’s field hockey final between Britain and the Netherlands last night, I realised that not a single player out of the 30 in the two teams appeared to be non-white, despite an abundance of non-whites in the population of both countries. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36691147 http://indianexpress.com/sports/rio-2016-olympics/netherlands-field-hockey-squad-seek-third-straight-gold-2949553/ On checking, it seems that one of the British players, Samantha Quek, is presumably part-Chinese, and some of the Dutch may have a soupcon of Indonesian ancestry, but where are all the blacks? Before assuming that either (a) blacks for some reason have no genetic aptitude for hockey, or (b) racism! , it is worth noting that women’s field hockey requires years of dedicated amateur play and training, with no significant professional level to aspire to (in Britain, anyway), and no prospect of fame or fortune, unless you count the very faint possibility of an Olympic medal. So unlike athletics, boxing, or football/soccer, maybe the sport simply doesn’t appeal to people looking primarily for personal advancement or, stereotypically, a ‘way out of the ghetto’.
Still, women’s hockey may score heavily in the ‘diversity’ stakes on other grounds. At least two of the British team are lesbians, and I’ll wager they are not the only ones.
Always a good test is to do a tattoo count of women's national teams in various team sports from a range of countries -you will find ( field) hockey and water polo at one end and soccer and basketball at the other
Interestingly rugby at least in Commonwealth countries outside New Zealand is a pretty middle class sport and not much female ink to be seen ( in NZ all classes play rugby )
Training ( and doping) might allow humans to push the limits but at some point it just won't be possible to run or leap faster or higher than some extraordinary specimen from times past. How much interest will there be in Olympic competition if Roger Bannister's 4 minute mile were still the record 50 or 100 years from now.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @jimmyriddle, @Anon7, @Buffalo Joe
unit472, I think that the Cold War added an element of interest to International competition that no longer exists. So, maybe there will be less government investment in sports programs and the athletes will have to find the next great PED on their own. You are probably right though on the limits to biological progress. Are Cheetahs faster today than before? Are monkeys more nimble? Humans today actually don’t need to be stronger or faster than our ancestors. All improvements in physical prowess can be explained by nutrition and better health care.
No cloud or forest cover. You see the same thing in China where the darker people tend to come from the North.
The Sahel region is where you have the darkest people in Africa, and it’s not just Senegal but basically all the way across the southern edge of the Sahara to South Sudan – Mali and Chad also have very very dark locals. Just look at the black players in the French national soccer team like Mamadou Sakho or Bacary Sagna, who are much much darker than the average African-American athlete. These guys are mostly coming from families who immigrated from countries on the southern side of the Sahara.
Are you absolutely sure you never took a course at Glendale College with Dan Harmon? This article was very Pierce Hawthorne-y…
You are no doubt familiar with the so-called “paper bag test” and have commented on the lighter-skinned upper classes from some places (especially the Anglophone ones) in the Caribbean. Being from California, you probably have never heard the expression “When Dunbar was Dunbar…” (Dunbar is a high school that during the segregation era was the elite Black HS in the District of Columbia). In general, the elite HBCUs were the same way, the sons of the doctors, lawyers, ministers, insurance men, etc … There MAY have been a time when they may or may not have let in “darker” Blacks to up their sports teams, but their sports priorities were pretty much the same as anyone else’s (with the possible exception that who has a better band at halftime is at least as important as who wins the football game, depending on the school). And indeed, some of the most important track teams (the Tigerbelles of Tenn. State, e.g.) were state schools…
For further discussion — Lolo Jones: The exception that proves the rule, or thesis-buster … ?
My bet is this guy was a repeat public nuisance and a repeat offender. That he was tossed in jail to try to teach him a lesson and to discourage him.
I guess American blacks have on average much more European genes than Caribbean blacks.Replies: @jefferson, @syonredux
If memory serves, the average Black American is about 20% European in terms of ancestry.
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I'm not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.Replies: @Whiskey, @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad, @Triumph104
The average "Black" Brazilian is genetically 50 percent European. Black Americans can't beat that.Replies: @syonredux
Is that an Americanism? I've no idea what a "blue-black" person looks like.Replies: @syonredux, @cipher, @DCBillS
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blue%E2%80%93black
Japanese 4×100 relay team 12.5% black Jamacian
Only Kenyan woman with Israeli nationality ends up on Israeli Olympic team. See, diversity leads to optimal economic outcomes.
Chemtai was born in Kenya, a member of the tribe of Kalenjin, and grew up in a village in West Pokot County in western Kenya.[6][7] She came to Israel in 2008, as a nanny(in Kenya nannies are selected for speed) for the children of Kenya’s Ambassador to Israel.[8][9][10]
Chemtai met Israeli running coach Dan Salpeter (a red?), and the two fell in love, and married in 2014.[11][12][13] The couple’s son, Roy, was born in December 2014.[14][15] The family lives in moshav(where reds live) Yanuv, in central Israel.[16] Chemtai was granted Israeli citizenship in March 2016, eight years after she began living in Israel, a few days before the cut-off to qualify for the 2016 Olympics.[17][18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonah_Chemtai
If you were wondering what a moshav is:
Moshav (Hebrew: מוֹשָׁב, plural מוֹשָׁבִים moshavim, lit. settlement, village) is a type of Israeli town or settlement, in particular a type of cooperative agricultural community of individual farms pioneered by the Labour Zionists during the second wave of aliyah. A resident or a member of a moshav can be called a “moshavnik” (מוֹשַׁבְנִיק).
Canada’s best sprinter, Andre De Grasse, is considered the guy who will take over since Bolt has retired. He has the traditional look Steve is talking about.
I haven’t been to West Africa but in Uganda the East (which is Nilotic) is substantially darker than the Bantu West (they are more admixed; brown-black).
It’s worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who’s now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the “local fare” he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé.
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it’s extraordinarily nuanced; I’ve guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Black & White are such broad distinctions so as to be meaningful only in the broad continental sense; after a while one could pick out the various tribal phenotype in Uganda without much difficulty whatsoever.
Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It's subconscious.Replies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein, @anonymous coward
Whether the American runners look darker than most black Americans has a lot to do with the fact that they’re running outdoors in the sun a lot for their practice sessions. Even if you’re already dark-skinned, you’ll darken even more from UV light. A lot of black Americans have a prejudice against being out in the sun for any length of time because of this. It’s a thing in the black culture, even though it’s lousy for their Vitamin D levels.
And considering that ancestry is pretty much patrilineal, “slaveowners”, that means that 40% of the male ancestors of the Afram community are slaveowners (it’s a pretty accurate statement when u come to think of it).
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I’m not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.
White men, David Bowie and Robert De Niro to the contrary, don't seem to find Black women even the Beyonce types that attractive. What seems to sell is the pretty, paler, more White or Asian women: hurdler Michelle Jeneke, the pole vaulters (all women's pole vault medalists were very pretty and very White), women's beach bikini volleyball.
Its interesting to see how that sorts out -- tall athletic (often lesbian) Black women go into Basketball, and those straight, relatively pretty, and tall and athletic go into beach bikini volleyball; where careers seem longer and money/endorsements more lucrative.
For some bizarre reason sponsors when they come down to it, are not all that eager to to associate female-oriented consumer products with taciturn Black lesbians. Can't figure why!Replies: @S. anonyia
The one drop rule is--in part--why our whites are basically completely white and in part why America has been so much more successful than say Brazil.
After years of watching Dr. Henry Louis Gates’ genealogy programs I coined the term “white daddy effect”. Light-skinned blacks don’t perform better academically and economically than darker skin blacks due to genetics but because the light-skinned blacks had a white ancestor who made sure his mixed-race children either learned a trade, were formally educated, or inherited land.Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US (1983-2005) is the son of an Ethiopian slave.Replies: @SFG, @Zachary Latif, @dcite
Not surprising, from the start of the Obama administration they haven’t tried much to even pretend that they aren’t the Department of Just Us.
OT:
From a Breitbart article today:
“George Soros’ Open Society Foundation admits influence and incredibly close links with UN migration representative and former Goldman Sachs executive Peter Sutherland in leaked document.
The paper, which told of how the migrant crisis presented an “opportunity” for the foundation to extend its global influence and attract more money, mentions Sutherland’s pro-migrant work.”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/20/soros-leaks-un-chief-behind-scenes-advocate/
I didn’t even read this one or the 59 comments before mine, but I’m gonna go out on a limb here and nominate Steve Sailer for “Head Colorist In Charge” at United Colors of Benetton.
http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/
Still, women's hockey may score heavily in the 'diversity' stakes on other grounds. At least two of the British team are lesbians, and I'll wager they are not the only ones.Replies: @Anonymous, @sb
I never understood why field hockey wasn’t more popular. Fit girls wearing short skirts hitting each other with sticks; what’s not to like?
Steve
No comment about the men’s gold medal 4×100 relay race? I was shocked to see teams from Japan and China. Of course, the anchor man for the silver medal-winning Japanese team is half-Jamaican. It’s also interesting that the success of the Japanese team is attributed to the accuracy of their teamwork as opposed to raw athleticism.
Damon
http://indianexpress.com/sports/rio-2016-olympics/japan-unlikely-relay-silver-medallists-teamwork-trumps-speed-2987082/eir
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I'm not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.Replies: @Whiskey, @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad, @Triumph104
New Orleans had a considerable Mulatto/Creole presence, but it seems it was the result of Black men and lower class White women mating; not White men and Black women. The Melungeons of whom John Murell (the bandit whose treasure Injun Joe starves to death guarding) was the most notable example, are now believed to be the result of White women and Black men having children in the late 1600s and early 1700s in North Carolina.
White men, David Bowie and Robert De Niro to the contrary, don’t seem to find Black women even the Beyonce types that attractive. What seems to sell is the pretty, paler, more White or Asian women: hurdler Michelle Jeneke, the pole vaulters (all women’s pole vault medalists were very pretty and very White), women’s beach bikini volleyball.
Its interesting to see how that sorts out — tall athletic (often lesbian) Black women go into Basketball, and those straight, relatively pretty, and tall and athletic go into beach bikini volleyball; where careers seem longer and money/endorsements more lucrative.
For some bizarre reason sponsors when they come down to it, are not all that eager to to associate female-oriented consumer products with taciturn Black lesbians. Can’t figure why!
I suppose you think mestizos are the result of Spanish peasant women settlers shacking up with Mayans? Lol.
Allyson Felix is a very likeable person. I was gutted for her when she lost the 400 meters. I wish her all the best in her next career.
This should be accompanied by a background story on the former sports announcer, ‘Jimmy the Greek’ and how he lost said job talking about how black athletes became such great football players.
It was all in the genes.
I think the Vice President of Zambia is white . Think the Botswana President has an Anglo mother ( shades of you know who )
Chris Froome the current Tour de France champion is a white Kenyan ( he originally represented Kenya internationally but having GB after your name pays better )
Maybe when the white community are a small numeric minority- as opposed to a very obvious one - it is actually better for whitesReplies: @SFG, @Lot
Naah, that makes sense. There was a story about an Italian village a few hundred years ago who wound up with one Muslim who had somehow washed up there. They were all quite fond of him, and when he passed away even buried him facing Mecca or some such thing. One guy’s a curiosity, not a demographic threat.
See, diversity leads to optimal economic outcomes.
I know you’re kidding, but the odd immigrant isn’t a huge problem. It’s when you have a huge number who don’t assimilate you run into trouble.
The exception are Muslims who are so toxic that they still commit terrorist attacks even when they make up less than 1 percent of the host nation that they have immigrated to like The U.S.
With all of the Jihad that they have commited on our soil, you would think Muslims made up way more than 0.9 percent of The U.S population.
For such a small demographic, Muslims with U.S citizenship punch way above their weight when it comes to homegrown terrorism.
Homegrown terrorism is to Muslims in The U.S like what law enforcement is to Irish & Italian Americans and Silicon Valley is to Chinese, Indian, and Jewish Americans.
The darkest are in the west. The Sahel barely touches South Sudan, which is the darkest country not in west Africa, and also the most polygynous country not in west Africa. Polygyny is correlated with dark skin.
Polygyny is blamed on the trans Atlantic slave trade of course, so I suppose we must blame dark skin on white people.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
I kind of agree–a Nobel’s worth much more to a country than an Olympic gold–but it’s also one of the few socially acceptable expressions of masculinity left, and is pretty much the second most masculine thing there is.
The first, war, tends to be bad if overindulged in. It can get you territory, but the USA has more than enough now.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
That’s a lot of verbiage for “I already have zero interest in the Olympics”
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
Most aggressively contrarian and unjustified by context comment of the day right here. A sideways reference to the Jews really would have put it in hall of fame territory.
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I'm not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.Replies: @Whiskey, @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad, @Triumph104
The one drop rule was intended to discourage racial mixing. Since the children would not be considered white, most whites would not want to bequeath second class status to their children. Comparing the US to other parts of the New W0rld, it probably explains why whites in the USA have much higher European ancestry.
The distinction you are looking for is the one between immigration and mass immigration. The former is quite tolerable because it doesn’t alter the nation’s culture or demographics. The latter is the polar opposite .
I think the Vice President of Zambia is white . Think the Botswana President has an Anglo mother ( shades of you know who )
Chris Froome the current Tour de France champion is a white Kenyan ( he originally represented Kenya internationally but having GB after your name pays better )
Maybe when the white community are a small numeric minority- as opposed to a very obvious one - it is actually better for whitesReplies: @SFG, @Lot
Namibia has the world’s 2nd lowest population density for an independent nation, behind Mongolia. Wide spaces make for easy relations. Botswana likewise has very low population density. Organized left-wing anti-white pogroms seem to require large urban centers, a government worth taking over, or at least the sort of dense rural populations in the hotter and wetter parts of Africa.
Namibia’s coast is not too hospitable for West African Bantu migrants. It has mild winters and cool summers. In fact summers in Oslo are warmer than in Walvis Bay, where the summer highs are around 66F.
Unless you are the most spectacular female 100-200 meter sprinter EVER – Florence Griffith Joyner!
Far less African looking than most US black females.
Although in her case maybe like another not so dark sprinter Marion Jones, Flo-Jo had a few drops of something else in her blood.
RIP – Flo Jo Workout
Given the stock of intelligent and attractive Israeli women available, there is something very wrong with this Dan Salpeter dude–very wrong.
https://goo.gl/KWqEau Running with her husband.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
I tend to disagree.
The Greek Olympics were similar: athletes only wanted to win, losing was a shame, winners were given a handsome reward and a lifetime pension by their polis, but they reaped other benefits of their status as Olympic winners, both financial (it gabe them social capital) and other benefits (an endless supply of lovers, often homosexual), etc.
The amateur ethos was invented by Coubertin, and it would be totally alien to the ancients.
I value Greek civilization high enough to think the problem is not with the Olympics.
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I'm not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.Replies: @Whiskey, @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad, @Triumph104
More utter idiocy–and that’s not getting into your “greatest curse” silliness, the “greatest curse” would be importing slaves in the first place.
The one drop rule is–in part–why our whites are basically completely white and in part why America has been so much more successful than say Brazil.
“If memory serves, the average Black American is about 20% European in terms of ancestry.”
The average “Black” Brazilian is genetically 50 percent European. Black Americans can’t beat that.
“I know you’re kidding, but the odd immigrant isn’t a huge problem. It’s when you have a huge number who don’t assimilate you run into trouble.”
The exception are Muslims who are so toxic that they still commit terrorist attacks even when they make up less than 1 percent of the host nation that they have immigrated to like The U.S.
With all of the Jihad that they have commited on our soil, you would think Muslims made up way more than 0.9 percent of The U.S population.
For such a small demographic, Muslims with U.S citizenship punch way above their weight when it comes to homegrown terrorism.
Homegrown terrorism is to Muslims in The U.S like what law enforcement is to Irish & Italian Americans and Silicon Valley is to Chinese, Indian, and Jewish Americans.
It's worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who's now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the "local fare" he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé.
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it's extraordinarily nuanced; I've guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Black & White are such broad distinctions so as to be meaningful only in the broad continental sense; after a while one could pick out the various tribal phenotype in Uganda without much difficulty whatsoever.Replies: @Glossy, @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it’s extraordinarily nuanced; I’ve guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It’s subconscious.
Japanese face: Fleshier, cuter, somewhat suggestive of fatigue. There is a melancholic inwardness within the gaze of the moist eye.
Chinese face: Fiercer, angular, more simian. The broad lips and flared nostrils suggest a whetted appetite. A purposeful, practical, hungry face.Replies: @Jefferson, @Glossy
That was the joke.
Is black-blue analogous to the east Texas blue-gum?
Did you even see photos of her? Downright scary.
https://goo.gl/KWqEau Running with her husband.
It's worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who's now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the "local fare" he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé.
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it's extraordinarily nuanced; I've guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Black & White are such broad distinctions so as to be meaningful only in the broad continental sense; after a while one could pick out the various tribal phenotype in Uganda without much difficulty whatsoever.Replies: @Glossy, @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous
“It’s worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who’s now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the “local fare” he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé”
The vast majority of Black women that I find attractive would not be considered Black in Uganda, they would be considered Coloured which is an African term for Mixed Race or even White.
OT… article in the NYT…. why life is just so very hard for wealthy, upwardly mobile blacks. They are still victims!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/milwaukee-segregation-wealthy-black-families.html?emc=edit_ta_20160820&nlid=69443108&ref=cta
The St. Louis Federal Reserve released a report showing that black and Hispanic college graduates have a high debt to income ratio, and have seen a negative change in net worth and income over a 20 year period. Home ownership has never been a source of wealth for blacks on average.
However, I was pleased to see that the Muslim family sends their children to Catholic school to avoid the horrible neighborhood schools, although they are probably still paying their daughter's medical bills.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/in-the-balance/issue12-2015/why-didnt-higher-education-protect-hispanic-and-black-wealthReplies: @Hidden Cat
It's worth bear repeating about my super-Wasp friend (who's now dating a German girl) who used to go on and on about how attractive he found black women. When he visited me in Uganda and I asked him how found the "local fare" he confessed to me that when he meant black, he meant Beyoncé.
One thing about the Oriental eye is that it's extraordinarily nuanced; I've guessed when a Chinese person had Korean ancestry (he was from the Korean province in China) and when another had Manchu ancestry (a 1/4).
Black & White are such broad distinctions so as to be meaningful only in the broad continental sense; after a while one could pick out the various tribal phenotype in Uganda without much difficulty whatsoever.Replies: @Glossy, @Jefferson, @Chrisnonymous
What’s your overall record? Have you ever been wrong about guessing Asian ancestry?
Okay, I’m a Steve Sailer fan and a big believer in differences between the races physically, intellectually and emotionally, but believing that one can determine or define relatively nuanced differences in running abilities within the sub-Saharan black race by differences in skin tone or regional ancestry within central Africa is a bit of a stretch.
No, it isn’t evil to notice such things, it’s good to notice things and debunk the doxa of political correctness, but remember that describing and analyzing populations is very different from describing and analyzing individuals (like Olympic athletes.) Beware of turning general observations and truths about populations into formulas applied to individuals.
As a general principle, it’s insane. Bail is specifically provided for in the Constitution. Unreasonable bail is another matter that sometimes comes up, but isn’t a Constitutional matter….
It just shows how barbaric one drop rule actually was; a slave-owner had no qualms about their biological child being born into slavery. I'm not certain but I think in the Islamic world, the child of a slave-owner would be manumitted.
One drop rule has been the greatest curse on the American polity because it defies the law of nature; your child is your child regarded of the co-parent.Replies: @Whiskey, @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad, @Triumph104
Some of the slave-owners were being protective of their children. A slave was safer than a free black. If anyone messed with a slave there were legal repercussions with the white slave master. Upon the slave master’s death when he could no longer protect them, the children would receive their freedom. (Not all slave masters, just some.)
After years of watching Dr. Henry Louis Gates’ genealogy programs I coined the term “white daddy effect”. Light-skinned blacks don’t perform better academically and economically than darker skin blacks due to genetics but because the light-skinned blacks had a white ancestor who made sure his mixed-race children either learned a trade, were formally educated, or inherited land.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US (1983-2005) is the son of an Ethiopian slave.
Slightly O/T: I just got back from Jesus Christ Superstar. Judas Iscariot (played by a black actor) was simply a standout performer whereas the actor playing Christ (who looked very much like the traditional depiction of JC) couldn't project (to be fair it was raining in an Open Air Theatre).
Even in multi-culti London I think the idea of a Black Christ is still a step too far even though they should have swapped the roles (to be fair JCS is very Judas-centric, I saw the musical a few years ago and all I could remember to the modern-day is a pained Judas).Replies: @James Kabala
After the Civil War, the mulatto as a separate class disappeared as a legal term, though it still existed as a social one. However, mulatto musicians, many of whom had studied in Europe, could no longer have their own orchestras, and began to play in various low class music halls where the jazz genre evolved. I never understood why jazz was said to have classical roots until I learned that.Replies: @Clyde
You are no doubt familiar with the so-called "paper bag test" and have commented on the lighter-skinned upper classes from some places (especially the Anglophone ones) in the Caribbean. Being from California, you probably have never heard the expression "When Dunbar was Dunbar..." (Dunbar is a high school that during the segregation era was the elite Black HS in the District of Columbia). In general, the elite HBCUs were the same way, the sons of the doctors, lawyers, ministers, insurance men, etc ... There MAY have been a time when they may or may not have let in "darker" Blacks to up their sports teams, but their sports priorities were pretty much the same as anyone else's (with the possible exception that who has a better band at halftime is at least as important as who wins the football game, depending on the school). And indeed, some of the most important track teams (the Tigerbelles of Tenn. State, e.g.) were state schools...
For further discussion -- Lolo Jones: The exception that proves the rule, or thesis-buster ... ?Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Triumph104
Bathe her — and bring her to me.
After years of watching Dr. Henry Louis Gates’ genealogy programs I coined the term “white daddy effect”. Light-skinned blacks don’t perform better academically and economically than darker skin blacks due to genetics but because the light-skinned blacks had a white ancestor who made sure his mixed-race children either learned a trade, were formally educated, or inherited land.Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US (1983-2005) is the son of an Ethiopian slave.Replies: @SFG, @Zachary Latif, @dcite
Probably nurture and nature: they had the ancestor *and* the ancestor was willing to help them out. That then got passed down the generations until you had our current situation with ‘colorism’, paper bag tests, etc.
Any idea what the skin cancer risk in Africa? In Australia we are told we have the world’s highest skin cancer risk, yet Australian aborigines aren’t particularly dark by dark African standards. Admittedly sunshine hours aren’t especially high in South East Australia, and the skin cancer risk in much lower in winter, but the sun certainly burns light-skinned people very quickly during the summer months.
Nearby New Zealand is also quite unique in that it has a temperate, Southern European climate yet the summer sun burns a white person more quickly than it does in many equatorial regions.
The most interesting thing about Bolt, isn’t that he’s of West African descent, but that he’s 6/5. That’s pretty damn tall for a sprinter.
Is he just an outlier, or are there PED’s involved? Inquiring minds want to know.
And good lord, is there anything more pathetic then some white guy bragging about some other white guy came in 3rd or 4th in the 200 meters? Or trying to come up with excuses as to why the best sprinters or middle distance runners or long distance runners are black?
As I’ve written before, the ability to run fast or jump high is a skill that meant zero in real life until white people invented ‘games’. Try to think of a war or a hunt before say, 1900 where Jumping high meant anything. And the same is true of running fast for 100 meters. Yet, large amounts of White dudes really, really,care about who ran the 100 meters the fastest.
White dudes need to stop caring about who can run fast or jump high, and start caring about who controls the media and the borders.
GOOOOAAAAALLLL! GOOOOAAAAALLLL! GOOOOAAAAALLLL!
Black racists are all in on Ryan Lochte. It’s there if you want to see it.
Running fast is useful when engaging in violence.
Violence has Darwinian implications.
I don't think the Mongols, Romans, or Ancient Greeks were great sprinters. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great could dunk a basketball, run a 9.9 1oo meters, or run a 4/4/40.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad
Would you say winters in Australia are similar to winters in San Francisco? Meaning it gets chilly but never snows.
I’m curious Sailer , how long will it be until you convert to that dogshit superstition and betray all all your followers ?
Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It's subconscious.Replies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein, @anonymous coward
“Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It’s subconscious.”
Are you White? If you are than you are among a minority of Whites who can actually tell apart the different Northeast Asian groups just based on phenotype alone.
On the ABC television show Fresh Off The Boat for example, they cast a Korean actor to play a Chinaman because they know the vast majority of White people who tune into watch the show won’t even notice the actor is not really Chinese.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5bb320a61114eb9928583e493e7a1db6-c?convert_to_webp=true
To me the Japanese one is obvious. The question of which of the other two is Chinese and which is Korean is harder, but I still guessed right. Composites of this sort exaggerate the differences, so NE Asians are harder to tell apart in real life.
You can search for that pic in Google Images to check if you guessed right.
White men, David Bowie and Robert De Niro to the contrary, don't seem to find Black women even the Beyonce types that attractive. What seems to sell is the pretty, paler, more White or Asian women: hurdler Michelle Jeneke, the pole vaulters (all women's pole vault medalists were very pretty and very White), women's beach bikini volleyball.
Its interesting to see how that sorts out -- tall athletic (often lesbian) Black women go into Basketball, and those straight, relatively pretty, and tall and athletic go into beach bikini volleyball; where careers seem longer and money/endorsements more lucrative.
For some bizarre reason sponsors when they come down to it, are not all that eager to to associate female-oriented consumer products with taciturn Black lesbians. Can't figure why!Replies: @S. anonyia
This is just flat out not true. New Orleans Creoles are the result of French/Spanish colonial men taking on slave mistresses, sometimes freeing the children, sometimes not. Mulatto classes then developed among both the free and slave populations. Sometimes these French guys basically has two families, the colored family and the white one. It was pretty out in the open.
I suppose you think mestizos are the result of Spanish peasant women settlers shacking up with Mayans? Lol.
Well, There’s been some discussion about Bolt’s prematurely aged appearance (he’s only 29). Prolonged steroid use is hard on the skin…
I took a test once of looking at 18 pictures and having to guess Korean, Chinese, or Japanese. Random guessing would be 6 right, perfect knowledge would be 18 right. I got 9 right. So I was only 25% of the way from ignorance to knowledge.
How well or bad do you think you would do if a Southeast Asian version of the test existed to try to guess who is Filipino, Cambodian, Viet, Thai, Laotian, Indonesian, and Malaysian?Replies: @Steve Sailer
The average "Black" Brazilian is genetically 50 percent European. Black Americans can't beat that.Replies: @syonredux
Via Razib:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/02/brazilians-more-european-than-not/#.V7j7t_krLIU
Well Steve, I’m always willing to learn. I’m not the brightest knife in the drawer. But as far as I can tell, the only thing running fast was good for in Medieval or Ancient warfare was running away – or stealing cows, on foot.
I don’t think the Mongols, Romans, or Ancient Greeks were great sprinters. But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great could dunk a basketball, run a 9.9 1oo meters, or run a 4/4/40.
Furthermore, sprinting might be useful, if you've chatted up some old African big man's younger 5th wife or gotten her into the bushes, but then have been seen\discovered. Being able to get in there to try to sneak in your seed and get out in a hurry if need be--useful!
I don't think the Mongols, Romans, or Ancient Greeks were great sprinters. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great could dunk a basketball, run a 9.9 1oo meters, or run a 4/4/40.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad
“the only thing running fast was good for in Medieval or Ancient warfare was running away”
An important element in living to fight another day.
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
“Also, the athletes are a bunch of mindless, mollycoddled, self-absorbed snowflakes. When you look at Michael Phelps’ collection of medals and then listen to one of his brain-dead interviews, it is clear that he has spent his entire life having to worry about nothing but swimming. He was groomed from an early age to be exactly what he is. It takes an excessive amount of parental and societal over-investment to maintain the petri dishes in which these hothouse flower athletes are grown. That is a far more significant sort of “doping,” in my mind, than the chemical variety that Steve usually obsesses about.”
I completely agree.
“I took a test once of looking at 18 pictures and having to guess Korean, Chinese, or Japanese. Random guessing would be 6 right, perfect knowledge would be 18 right. I got 9 right. So I was only 25% of the way from ignorance to knowledge.”
How well or bad do you think you would do if a Southeast Asian version of the test existed to try to guess who is Filipino, Cambodian, Viet, Thai, Laotian, Indonesian, and Malaysian?
How well or bad do you think you would do if a Southeast Asian version of the test existed to try to guess who is Filipino, Cambodian, Viet, Thai, Laotian, Indonesian, and Malaysian?Replies: @Steve Sailer
I would have done better on the Japanese-Korean-Chinese test if the Chinese were restricted to Cantonese from the south.
I think I could do pretty well on a test of Northeast Asia vs. Southeast Asia, but within each sphere is tough. But I’ve never been there.
In what may be a cultural difference, it’s worth noting that all four of the British relay runners are wearing bikini bottoms as opposed to just one of the Americans, three of whom are in less-revealing shorts.
Probably has something to do with the influence of Miss Felix.
You are no doubt familiar with the so-called "paper bag test" and have commented on the lighter-skinned upper classes from some places (especially the Anglophone ones) in the Caribbean. Being from California, you probably have never heard the expression "When Dunbar was Dunbar..." (Dunbar is a high school that during the segregation era was the elite Black HS in the District of Columbia). In general, the elite HBCUs were the same way, the sons of the doctors, lawyers, ministers, insurance men, etc ... There MAY have been a time when they may or may not have let in "darker" Blacks to up their sports teams, but their sports priorities were pretty much the same as anyone else's (with the possible exception that who has a better band at halftime is at least as important as who wins the football game, depending on the school). And indeed, some of the most important track teams (the Tigerbelles of Tenn. State, e.g.) were state schools...
For further discussion -- Lolo Jones: The exception that proves the rule, or thesis-buster ... ?Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Triumph104
I don’t know if it matters but Lolo Jones didn’t grow up middle-class. Her father was in and out of the family’s life (read: in and out of jail). They were homeless at one point. Lolo attended eight schools in eight years. She managed to attend the same high school all four years by staying with three or four different families when her mother left town her junior year.
Okay. I take the bait. Those 3 or 4 families weren't Black despite Mom's predilection to....you get the picture.Replies: @Hibernian
One of the US women, Tianna Bartoletta, is married to a 50-something white investment manager.
Lolo Jones has had a horrible time finding a mate. Last year she tweeted that she uses Christian Mingle. Her mother is now trying to fix her up with Usain Bolt.
Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It's subconscious.Replies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein, @anonymous coward
Korean face: Flatter, rounder, more porcelain, with a narrower mouth. There is a self-composed delicacy about it. It reminds you of an owl or a dove.
Japanese face: Fleshier, cuter, somewhat suggestive of fatigue. There is a melancholic inwardness within the gaze of the moist eye.
Chinese face: Fiercer, angular, more simian. The broad lips and flared nostrils suggest a whetted appetite. A purposeful, practical, hungry face.
The thing about them is that even the most pasty pale Jap can get a brown tan. Japs who are obsessed with tanning end up as Brown as Filipina Michelle Malkin.
MrMonkey, Unless of course, they are Zika babies, with small heads.
That is very unusual. Black female track athletes are very popular with black men and often marry during their track career, hence all of the hyphenated names. Tianna Bartoletta has said that her parents abused her as a child and she no longer uses her maiden name so maybe that has something to do with her marriage choice.
Lolo Jones has had a horrible time finding a mate. Last year she tweeted that she uses Christian Mingle. Her mother is now trying to fix her up with Usain Bolt.
After years of watching Dr. Henry Louis Gates’ genealogy programs I coined the term “white daddy effect”. Light-skinned blacks don’t perform better academically and economically than darker skin blacks due to genetics but because the light-skinned blacks had a white ancestor who made sure his mixed-race children either learned a trade, were formally educated, or inherited land.Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US (1983-2005) is the son of an Ethiopian slave.Replies: @SFG, @Zachary Latif, @dcite
Just watched the show (episode 1); very powerful, I particularly enjoyed the Chris Tucker narrative toward the end. A funny moment is when at 47:30, Henry Gates Louis Jr. & Chris Tucker are trying to estimate the value of $600 in 1921 in present day monies; a bit of specificity and research would have helped there!
Slightly O/T: I just got back from Jesus Christ Superstar. Judas Iscariot (played by a black actor) was simply a standout performer whereas the actor playing Christ (who looked very much like the traditional depiction of JC) couldn’t project (to be fair it was raining in an Open Air Theatre).
Even in multi-culti London I think the idea of a Black Christ is still a step too far even though they should have swapped the roles (to be fair JCS is very Judas-centric, I saw the musical a few years ago and all I could remember to the modern-day is a pained Judas).
The Ryan Lochte-inspired vandalism and lying to the authorities escapade which we just witnessed ought to put an end to any lingering beliefs that Olympic athletes are fine, upstanding human beings who are competing their guts out to represent their country on the world stage. The "Spirit of the Games," as it were, is gone. The whole thing is an empty, staged-managed paean to money and vanity. Let it rot in hell.Replies: @SFG, @donut, @Anonitron2, @reiner Tor, @Anonymous, @James Kabala
The female athletes generally seem quite pleasant (with some exceptions such as Hope Solo) and often profess apparently sincere Christian faith. Usain Bolt seems friendly and also is a Christian. (Is he secretly doping despite the Catholic medal he wears? I don’t know.) Even Phelps seems to at least want to mean well (although his two DWIs certainly belie that). In any group of thousands of people there are going to be some very good people, some very bad people, and mostly mediocre.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/milwaukee-segregation-wealthy-black-families.html?emc=edit_ta_20160820&nlid=69443108&ref=ctaReplies: @Triumph104, @anon
The terms “wealthy” and “affluent” are intentionally misleading so the writer can tell us about the screwed up finances of black professionals without worrying about a backlash. Nearly all of the families have housing issues with at least one having had a foreclosure.
The St. Louis Federal Reserve released a report showing that black and Hispanic college graduates have a high debt to income ratio, and have seen a negative change in net worth and income over a 20 year period. Home ownership has never been a source of wealth for blacks on average.
However, I was pleased to see that the Muslim family sends their children to Catholic school to avoid the horrible neighborhood schools, although they are probably still paying their daughter’s medical bills.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/in-the-balance/issue12-2015/why-didnt-higher-education-protect-hispanic-and-black-wealth
The mention of car break-ins made me laugh. I live in a comfortable part of a major West Coast city and car break-ins in this neighborhood (and all over the city) are off the wall. Also too many street robberies with a gun in use, and too many home break-ins, "hot prowls" and too great an incidence of home invasion.
Olympic athletes tend to be way above average in self-discipline.
My impression is that their traditional weakness was car accidents. A whole bunch of famous people in Olympic history have eventually died or been crippled in car accidents. Need for Speed and all that.
Cars are safer now. Bolt rolled his BMW over a few years ago but walked away. I heard somebody mention when he interviewed Bolt recently, that Bolt drove him to the track, and Usain emphasized he was driving under the speed limit.
Slightly O/T: I just got back from Jesus Christ Superstar. Judas Iscariot (played by a black actor) was simply a standout performer whereas the actor playing Christ (who looked very much like the traditional depiction of JC) couldn't project (to be fair it was raining in an Open Air Theatre).
Even in multi-culti London I think the idea of a Black Christ is still a step too far even though they should have swapped the roles (to be fair JCS is very Judas-centric, I saw the musical a few years ago and all I could remember to the modern-day is a pained Judas).Replies: @James Kabala
Judas was black on Broadway (Ben Vereen) and the movie (Carl Anderson) as well.
Famous people never die in car accidents anymore, or plane crashes either. Just off the top of my head I could name a dozen or more famous singers in several different genres who died in plane crashes – but almost none recently.
Compare them to the British team:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-great-britain-take-first-womens-4x100m-relay-bronze-in-30-years-a7200821.html
I think most Americans forget how black Africans really are since they mostly see mixed race African Americans.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @anon
That “British” team was indistinguishable from any African one. I chuckled at the smug sanctimonious comments about it being “racist” if you question the color of an athlete who represents a country. Black countries for black people. Brown countries for brown people. Yellow countries for yellow people. White countries for everybody….
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/milwaukee-segregation-wealthy-black-families.html?emc=edit_ta_20160820&nlid=69443108&ref=ctaReplies: @Triumph104, @anon
That article was very biased, unbalanced and quite puerile. The NYT seems to be really poor journalism.
The St. Louis Federal Reserve released a report showing that black and Hispanic college graduates have a high debt to income ratio, and have seen a negative change in net worth and income over a 20 year period. Home ownership has never been a source of wealth for blacks on average.
However, I was pleased to see that the Muslim family sends their children to Catholic school to avoid the horrible neighborhood schools, although they are probably still paying their daughter's medical bills.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/in-the-balance/issue12-2015/why-didnt-higher-education-protect-hispanic-and-black-wealthReplies: @Hidden Cat
I agree, it was a mess of a report. Much fluff and stuff pulled together that did not satisfy the supposed premise of the article. If the families profiled merited being part of some news report it would be a look at various housing issues in Milwaukee, in which race played perhaps some part.
The mention of car break-ins made me laugh. I live in a comfortable part of a major West Coast city and car break-ins in this neighborhood (and all over the city) are off the wall. Also too many street robberies with a gun in use, and too many home break-ins, “hot prowls” and too great an incidence of home invasion.
“Famous people never die in car accidents anymore,”
In very recent modern times there is a deceased actor named Paul Walker who will disagree with you. Are you one of those people with an extremely short attention span? 2013 was not some extremely distant memory like the great depression and prohibition.
Japanese face: Fleshier, cuter, somewhat suggestive of fatigue. There is a melancholic inwardness within the gaze of the moist eye.
Chinese face: Fiercer, angular, more simian. The broad lips and flared nostrils suggest a whetted appetite. A purposeful, practical, hungry face.Replies: @Jefferson, @Glossy
“Japanese face: Fleshier, cuter, somewhat suggestive of fatigue. There is a melancholic inwardness within the gaze of the moist eye.”
The thing about them is that even the most pasty pale Jap can get a brown tan. Japs who are obsessed with tanning end up as Brown as Filipina Michelle Malkin.
Is that an Americanism? I've no idea what a "blue-black" person looks like.Replies: @syonredux, @cipher, @DCBillS
Matra,
Blue-black is a typical White American description of others. The description is the result of noticing, appreciating differences.
“She managed to attend the same high school all four years by staying with three or four different families when her mother left town her junior year.”
Okay. I take the bait. Those 3 or 4 families weren’t Black despite Mom’s predilection to….you get the picture.
Japanese face: Fleshier, cuter, somewhat suggestive of fatigue. There is a melancholic inwardness within the gaze of the moist eye.
Chinese face: Fiercer, angular, more simian. The broad lips and flared nostrils suggest a whetted appetite. A purposeful, practical, hungry face.Replies: @Jefferson, @Glossy
I think I’ve noticed what you call the melancholic inwardness of Japanese faces, but I have a feeling that young female Chinese faces are cuter and fresher than Japanese ones. Japanese culture is obsessed with cuteness, but I don’t think their women’s faces are all that cute. You may well be right about Korean faces being flatter and rounder than the others. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that Japanese noses stand out a little more from the rest of the face, and are a little narrower, a little more Caucasoid-like than the others.
I’m White. Look at this image of composite female faces of the 3 NE Asian ethnicities:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5bb320a61114eb9928583e493e7a1db6-c?convert_to_webp=true
To me the Japanese one is obvious. The question of which of the other two is Chinese and which is Korean is harder, but I still guessed right. Composites of this sort exaggerate the differences, so NE Asians are harder to tell apart in real life.
You can search for that pic in Google Images to check if you guessed right.
I don't think the Mongols, Romans, or Ancient Greeks were great sprinters. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar or Alexander the Great could dunk a basketball, run a 9.9 1oo meters, or run a 4/4/40.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad
Violence in Africa is not\was not as well organized as Roman legion sort of violence.
Furthermore, sprinting might be useful, if you’ve chatted up some old African big man’s younger 5th wife or gotten her into the bushes, but then have been seen\discovered. Being able to get in there to try to sneak in your seed and get out in a hurry if need be–useful!
Famous people still die in car and plane crashes, it’s just you’re the final arbiter of who is famous and what constitutes as recent. Aaliyah? Jenni Rivera?
Steve doesn’t want us to talk about him but what about Paul Walker?
My thought as well. She’s hitting “the wall” now, but i’ve always thought Allyson’s pretty cute for a black girl. Which is probably why she’s worth several million–she’s a plausible and attractive endorsee, pitchwomen.
Overall, i’m not on board with Steve’s contention. I’ll admit Steve’s point that Felix is more classically a negress than talented tenthers, but i think she’s quite respectably “talented tenth” looking. And she carries it with classy, respectable, non-ghetto Christian behavior.
And crazy eyes English Gardner–also lighter than the African-American norm–does not have a classically black face at all. Her nose is narrow, her lips not AA full. If you lightened her up several f-stops she’d look un-remarkably caucasian, which is not true of 95+% of AA blacks. Beware those crazy eyes though … she could be scary.
Tori Bowie is interesting. She is indeed very dark, but her “look” is not classically African American–it’s just a bit weird (mostly around the eyes). My impression has been that there are parts of the deep south–particularly in Mississippi–where you find a much higher percentage of not very mixed blacks. (I’ve spent all of about two-days in Mississippi in my life, but that was my impression there.) Tori seems to be a real down-home, down to earth girl, not full of herself. Hard not to like her.
Leadoff gal, Tianna Bartoletta is the one that’s most classically black, closest to the look of the typical African American–including color and features. Just cuter.
Overall, i don’t see these women as skewing particularly African relative to the African American average–more like a distribution around it. What they are is considerably more African than the African Americans that the media trots out as actors\actresses, TV presenters, personalities, noisemakers, commercial actors, etc. But then that’s no surprise. Those mulattoes are more talented than the other 9/10ths, and honestly white people would not enjoy the exposure to the typical black appearance\intelligence … and it would screw up the narrative!
Just watched Caster Semenya win gold in the 800.Very masculine in terms of affect : double-biceps flex after winning, shook hands with “her” competitors, etc
In southern Australia night time temperatures in winter can get pretty cold, with light frosts in inland areas, although it usually gets up to about 16-18 degrees Celsius on a sunny winter’s day. Snow rarely falls below about 1000 metres.
Can you try to verbalize the differences between Chinese, Korean and Japanese faces? What do you look for? I remember looking at composite images of people of different ethnicities, and correctly guessing which one was Chinese, which one was Korean and Japanese, but it would be very difficult for me to explain how I did that. It's subconscious.Replies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein, @anonymous coward
Bullshit, there are more racial differences between South Chinese and North Chinese than there are between North Chinese and Korean. Racial differences there don’t correspond to political boundaries.
Still, women's hockey may score heavily in the 'diversity' stakes on other grounds. At least two of the British team are lesbians, and I'll wager they are not the only ones.Replies: @Anonymous, @sb
Field hockey ( outside North America it’s just called hockey ) is a pretty middle class sport everywhere .
Always a good test is to do a tattoo count of women’s national teams in various team sports from a range of countries -you will find ( field) hockey and water polo at one end and soccer and basketball at the other
Interestingly rugby at least in Commonwealth countries outside New Zealand is a pretty middle class sport and not much female ink to be seen ( in NZ all classes play rugby )
His life choices were, coach youth sports in a communist collective, or coach the fastest woman in Israel. He went for the gold.
Is that an Americanism? I've no idea what a "blue-black" person looks like.Replies: @syonredux, @cipher, @DCBillS
You need to get out more (or maybe not). I know exactly what a blue-black person looks like having seen a number of them. They are sort of a sub-group of bamas.
After years of watching Dr. Henry Louis Gates’ genealogy programs I coined the term “white daddy effect”. Light-skinned blacks don’t perform better academically and economically than darker skin blacks due to genetics but because the light-skinned blacks had a white ancestor who made sure his mixed-race children either learned a trade, were formally educated, or inherited land.Prince Bandar bin Sultan, former Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US (1983-2005) is the son of an Ethiopian slave.Replies: @SFG, @Zachary Latif, @dcite
White fathers did free their children and the childrens’ mothers quite often. There are documents from the Gulf area to that effect, often in parish records rather than civil ones–which was good since so many southern civil halls were burned during the Civil War. One well known land owner had a long term “mistress” (ironic term) with whom he had many offspring, all of whom were manumitted, and when he died, his common-law wife (who lived into her 90s) inherited the slaves. She herself was a “griffe” (not sure what that means, but it’s more black than white.) Mulattos formed a separate class in the Gulf area. They even had their own fire department, and in the 1850s ordered a very elaborate sort of fire bell from the North, to enter in the Mardi Gras parade in Mobile. One of the rules of this mulatto fire department was that they should not hire blacks. I don’t actually think it was because they hated blacks — how could they? But were protecting their own identity. If the blacks — and there were free blacks — wanted a fire dept., they could start their own. There was no law against it. Some mulattos’ fathers sent them to France or other European countries for education. An opening chapter of Vanity Fair features a mulatto girl as a minor character, and Dumas pere and fils had mulatto ancestry.
After the Civil War, the mulatto as a separate class disappeared as a legal term, though it still existed as a social one. However, mulatto musicians, many of whom had studied in Europe, could no longer have their own orchestras, and began to play in various low class music halls where the jazz genre evolved. I never understood why jazz was said to have classical roots until I learned that.
“Always a good test is to do a tattoo count of women’s national teams in various team sports from a range of countries ”
I was watching women’s volleyball one day and saw one or two women on the Serbian team had pretty big tattoos. Sad that that sickness has spread to the ex-Commie Bloc.
Steve doesn't want us to talk about him but what about Paul Walker?Replies: @Clyde, @James Kabala
You must be joking around about this incendiary white man. Michael Jackson had his trial by Pepsi fire and survived and so did Richard Prior.
Im from Pennsylvania, where field hockey is a really popular girls’ sport. I always enjoyed gameday, when they all wore their skirts to school.
Mississippi Blacks on average look like Haitians. It doesn't seem like there was too much racial miscegenation between Blacks and Whites in Mississippi. Mississippi doesn't have as many Mulatto phenotypes as their next door neighbor Louisiana.Replies: @Jonathan Mason
There is plenty of admixture in Haiti. My wife is a brown skinned Haitian who has slightly slanty eyes, though she does not know of any Asian ancestors. Our daughter is very light beige and could just about pass for white, and looks like a little Angelina Jolie, but when she is out in the sun in the summer her skin gets browner. My step daughter is very, very dark skinned and is jealous of her younger sister, although she is herself a very attractive child with beautiful almond-shaped eyes, long hair, and a very scientific mind for a seven year old. Only yesterday she was saying that she did not understand how the earth went round the sun and the moon round the earth and how the shape of the moon changed all the time. Only a few hundred years ago the greatest minds of the human race were expressing similar puzzlement.
Haitians in the Dominican Republic are usually darker than Dominicans, however part of the reason for that is that Haitian men often work in outdoor jobs like agriculture and constructions where they are exposed to a lot of sun.
There is not necessarily a connection between darkness of skin and facial features. The darkest woman I have ever knows was a woman in Bermuda who had jet black skin, and yet she had totally Caucasian features, nose shape, thin lips, voice, etc.
Steve doesn't want us to talk about him but what about Paul Walker?Replies: @Clyde, @James Kabala
Aaliyah (and Left Eye Lopes) probably no longer count as recent.
“Never” was hyperbolic, but there has been a definite decrease compared to the sixties and seventies. Maybe that era was the sweet spot (or rather sour spot) in which air travel was popular but not yet fully safe?
After the Civil War, the mulatto as a separate class disappeared as a legal term, though it still existed as a social one. However, mulatto musicians, many of whom had studied in Europe, could no longer have their own orchestras, and began to play in various low class music halls where the jazz genre evolved. I never understood why jazz was said to have classical roots until I learned that.Replies: @Clyde
A superior post and thanks!
Okay. I take the bait. Those 3 or 4 families weren't Black despite Mom's predilection to....you get the picture.Replies: @Hibernian
Blacks who take in a black child, relatively numerous, are usually the child’s grandparents or sometimes an aunt. This was not likely the case for a biracial child whose black father abandoned her very early, in Iowa.
As anyone in the graphics industry will tell you, there are a lot of shades of black. Humans often do come in the “cool” black shade.
http://www.andrewkelsall.com/the-professional-designers-guide-to-using-black/
Considering that David Bowie’s last name was Jones, I would venture no.
Increasingly, not even brainpower is better compensated anymore. It is outsourced whenever possible, and insourced via H-1B visas and the like.
Wake up. We are all becoming mixed brown worker bees in a global hive. Our athletes don’t look like us, and our brains are commodities without national identities or powers thereof.
I suspect it’s the other way around; large numbers of white women in the colonies made a one-drop rule possible.
On the other hand, Britney Griner is light skinned. But she may have other genetic advantages.
The terms “Black” and “Racist” are NOT synonymous…not in America!