Thank you for answering my question!

such as black cops screwing up more.

I’ve never seen a white (or nonblack) LEO soccer-kicking a suspect in the head (esp. one being held by several other officers), have you?

Odd the city left out in these studies – New Orleans, LA. Best of both hells, black brutality and corruption.

Remember McNamara’s Morons?

As far affirmative action, do you really need advanced math to understand that selecting dumber people than you usually would for a given job leads to problems?

In Chicago due to politics most of the upper ranks of police are black. The rank and file know they do not deserve their rank and hold them in contempt.

The chief before this one was found passed out drunk in official car. He had just went out on a date with an underling.

In all seriousness, can anyone think of a group of people more likely to ” malfunction” in the heat of the moment? Very, very, few people are psychologically suited to police work, I would think among Blacks even fewer, and a group of Black Officers – that should never happen.

I’d agree, but I think black cops simply know who they’re dealing with, so ….

The 93% of murder suspects being black in Memphis might indicate that blacks are a tad more violent than others. This might explain why black cops are disciplined more often, they come from a cohort that tends to be more violent.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

Obviously, what we need is more black pilots and air traffic controllers!

I liked that Denzel movie, but that doesn’t mean I want that guy flying my plane.

Breaking news! Black cops screw up more! Story at ten… What are the odds that at some point in the distant misty future, this reality, along with all the other typical black dysfunctions and pathologies will be publicly acknowledged throughout society and they’ll treated and dealt with accordingly – preferably by full, permanent separation? Unfortunately, probably zero, barring some sort of catastrophic, black swan event. Hmm, on second thought, maybe a White swan event would be better…

“Similar to the issues facing the criminal justice and education systems, where racial disparities in punishment are well-documented, organizations face a difficult challenge in detecting and enforcing misconduct,” researchers wrote. “Even when organizations adopt seemingly objective policies for addressing misconduct, it is still possible for certain groups to be disproportionately accused of misconduct and/or disciplined.”

The obvious cause for these “disparities” cannot be mentioned, so the head-scratching and search for a way to blame Whites will continue unabated (i.e. Van Jones’ latest screed at CNN).

I was saying to a friend last night that it would not be long for the death of Tyre Nichols to be the fault of, wait for it, white people.

And right on cue, this morning we have Van Jones:

At the end of the day, it is the race of the victim who is brutalized — not the race of the violent cop — that is most relevant in determining whether racial bias is a factor in police violence. It’s hard to imagine five cops of any color beating a White person to death under similar circumstances. And it is almost impossible to imagine five Black cops giving a White arrestee the kind of beat-down that Nichols allegedly received.

It’s that simple. For race-baiters like Jones, if the victim is Black, he (or she) is always a victim of racial hatred. It’s a self-fulfilling statement. A statement that cannot be defeated, even when the criminals are Black. If a Black man is the victim, race is always the reason.

Jones and race-baiters like him are stoking flames that will envelop the nation. Antifa–the thugs and goons who burned America three years ago–have taken to the street again, and will, again, burn, loot, and destroy property. I saw plenty of signs on the streets of Memphis that called for “justice” for Nichols, but Antifa thugs burning cities isn’t about Tyre Nichols. It’s never about the victims of police violence.

Except Denzel would say, “I’m an actor”, whereas a fair number of blacks would think they could fly the plane.

Maybe AnotherDad has a point about separation?

Related: The Hey Jackass website is celebrating 10 years of collecting homicide data for Chicago. So they have added total shootings and homicides within that 10 year period plus a summary. It’s pretty sobering:

http://heyjackass.com/

2013 – 2023 Totals
Shot & Killed: 5,750
Shot & Wounded: 27,802
Total Shot: 33,552
Total Homicides: 6,468

Their substack page goes into further detail, but you need to subscribe (I think; below bold is mine):

In the past ten years we’ve tallied:

5,749 shot & killed
340 stabbed
180 beaten
198 killed via other means
259 shot by police, 91 fatally
Averaged 9 people shot per day
Jan 1, 2014 – Today: 22 days without a shooting and/or homicide
Worst Day: May 31, 2020 with 18 homicides and 33 wounded
349 mass shootings (4 or more victims) w/ 230 killed from 2014 onward
5,735 (87%) males killed vs 732 females
5,115 (79%) Blacks, 1,042 Hispanics, 309 other (For Ron’s age adjusting hobby)
123 children 12 and younger murdered
Homicide age range: 0-96
Average age of a homicide victim is 30
Team Austin tallied 3,107 shot, 556 fatally
Forest Glen only community area to not record a homicide
11th District tallied 648 homicides from 2014 onward
At least 1,687 #ShotInTheAss

HJ also provides some interesting facts about how Chicago PD records shootings:

For example, the CPD does not count officer-involved shootings (fatal or non-fatal), self-defense, accidental or negligent discharges (selfies), or anything on the expressways towards their shooting and murder counts. Shootings were/are incidents with no count of how many people were shot. Therefore a mass shooting of a dozen people is just a shooting vs 12 people shot. Over time, that can become quite the gap between counting methodologies.

https://heyjackass.substack.com/p/ten-years-of-chicago-values

It is impossible to know whether these differences are due to racial bias versus some other unmeasured factors.

They have to acknowledge the “other unmeasured factors” but they can’t name them.

However, it is noteworthy that the pattern of results is in line with what theories of racial bias would predict

It’s also noteworthy that the pattern of results is in line with the “other unmeasured factors” that they are afraid to name.

Black female police chiefs were supposed to revolutionize policing and be a big improvement over those old (racist) white males who used to be police chiefs in all large American cities. Black female chiefs were supposed to usher in kinder, gentler policing and foster trust with the negro community which would lower crime.

Memphis has a black female police chief named Cerelyn Davis and yet the city is an out of control mess and her black officers even allegedly brutalize black suspects. Maybe cities should now move on from black women chiefs to Asian police chiefs or black transsexual chiefs.

Affirmative action having penetrated to every nook and crannie of the economy, it’s a safe bet that every single black person employed in a half-desireable job (outside sports) is less competent than his white colleagues. The only question is, by how much.

Guess you’re not old enough to remember the Rodney King beatdown, caught on tape at a time that personal tape recorders were expensive and rare, much less having one ready to go at a perfect vantage point . . . but I digress. I don’t think the cops involved in the Rodney King beating soccer kicked him in the head, but watch the video. Justified or not he was certainly held down while at least one other officer was whacking him pretty good with the billy club.

That actually led to an off color joke “What’s the difference between NYPD and LAPD? NYPD goes barhopping, LAPD goes clubbing”.

Certainly the black kid did not deserve to die, BUT…

The video did not show the initial reason to stop him. Reportedly he was weaving in traffic including going in the opposite travel lane.

Once again, the police are repeatedly ignored when they demand that he get flat on the ground and give them his hands. As Steve has often wondered, why do black perps feel that detention or arrest by police is optional?

I would not live in Memphis for all the gold in Fort Knox.
Interesting that all media stresses repeatedly that all five of the cops were black. I’m sure this whole thing is still Whitey’s fault, somehow.

Now do Gypsy police officers!

But what about that Biden Regime AA official that said that Blacks are physically, mentally, and spiritually superior to Whites? Let’s take a look at her data backing up her statement. Oh, no data. I guess we are expected to believe her because… to do otherwise would be racist, or something.

“It is impossible to know whether these differences are due to racial bias versus some other unmeasured, because we refuse to even think about them and you had better not either if you know what’s good for you pal, factors.”

Of course beating Tyre (why would you name your kid after a rubber donut?) to death was not right but, like almost every other black death at the hands of the police, he contributed to his own death and this has not been mentioned in the media accounts

At some point in the encounter he attempts to run off and that’s when shit get really real. I realize that by that point he is not thinking clearly anymore. But somehow blacks have to get it into their heads that attempting to run away is not going to result in an improvement in an already bad situation. Whites in a similar situation understand that they are going to have an unpleasant evening and maybe have to spend the night in jail or face charges or whatever, but they recognize that they have no choice but to accept their fate in the short run.

Blacks seem to exhibit some sort of magical thinking where somehow the police are going to respect their desire to leave a bad situation as long as they want it badly enough. And if the cops don’t, that they somehow have the right to take matters into their own hands and run off or fight with the cops (note that regardless of whether you hypothetically have such a legal right in the face of what you perceive to be an unlawful arrest, as a practical matter you don’t). This sort of magical thinking (that you are bulletproof or invisible or whatever) is not unknown in history but is usually in the context of a mass movement. Blacks do this as individuals but as a widespread pattern.

Trying to run off or resist is only going to piss the cops off even more. The Talk needs to include the message that running from the police is not a good idea ( at least not if you don’t have a clear chance of getting away). This may be some sort of animalistic fight or flight response and not the result of rational thought but blacks are human and can be taught to overcome their animal instincts or magical thinking. But they need to have this mindset in place long before the encounter begins.

In the interests of equity, social justice, etc., I’m willing to concede that Tyre, like so many of these alleged victims of police brutality, could have had it coming.

But somehow blacks have to get it into their heads that attempting to run away is not going to result in an improvement in an already bad situation.

Good luck with that. Groups that have high time preference and poor ability to connect actions with consequences are not going to be able to come to that conclusion in a stressful situation.

It’s either fight or flight; there’s no third way out for them.

I believe that black areas should be policed by blacks. Let them see what police brutality REALLY looks like!

Agree, and it’s become an ingrained social convention, like driving on the right; depositing trash in a container; yielding to the right.

Common topic of casual conversation is the flubbing of the AA hire.

“it’s a safe bet that every single black person employed in a half-desireable job (outside sports) is less competent than his white colleagues.”

I’ll take that bet. How many sheckels are the line? Because you make a gross exaggeration. Even Mr. Sailer would call into question your conclusion based on his past posts.

Of course the murder of Jews, like almost every other Jewish death at the hands of Nazi Germany and the Palestinians, contributed to their own demise and is rarely, if ever, admitted by Jews themselves. After all, they are the Chosen Ones.

See how that self serving bias of yours works?

Tyre (why would you name your kid after a rubber donut?)

……maybe he was named after the ancient city of Tyre…….this is Memphis after all …an eastern Mediterranean theme perhaps.

See how that self serving bias of yours works?

…….No ,but we do see how your mental illness works .

That is certainly true on average but not in the case of any particular individual. Let’s say that the average skill level for some particular trade or occupation is 5 on a scale of 10 with a standard deviation of 2 and the black average is 4. On certain days of the week, a couple of carpenters or painters or whatever are going to show up on your job and the white guy is going to be a 3 and the black guy is going to be a 6. On average, they won’t but on any given day the statistically average person is not showing up, two particular individuals are showing up who may be above or below average for their race.

As an example, of all of my kids’ elementary school teachers, the best by far was an older light skinned black woman. As far as I could tell, she was a talented tenth black woman from an old Philadelphia black family (not a trace of Ebonics her speech) who grew up at a time when school teacher was still a desirable career for a young college educated woman. She compared very favorably to the young white idiots who were her fellow teachers.

Always this classic:

God didn’t make us equal but our governments try to do a good job.

Two gun Pete was good for Chicago back in the old days. In today’s climate he would never be even hired.

“The legend of “Two-Gun Pete,” the cold-blooded cop who shot at least nine men dead on the South Side, began with a gun battle eight decades ago.

Just six months into his rookie year in April 1934, he caught 27-year-old Ben Harold red-handed during an armed robbery near 51st and State streets. What followed was a shootout that brought several bullets dangerously close to the young stockyard-worker-turned-policeman.

When the smoke cleared, four of the cop’s five shots had hit their mark, tearing through Harold’s torso. He staggered several steps before falling dead in a doorway”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2013-07-21-ct-met-two-gun-pete-20130721-story.html

Where is Two Gun Pete now when the black neighborhoods need him even more.

She compared very favorably to the young white idiots who were her fellow teachers.

How did she compare to the white teachers of similar age and family background?

We all have “magic negro” stories: https://www.unz.com/isteve/when-they-talk-about-structural-racism-what-they-mean-is-they-want-your-housing-structure/#comment-5772537

You’re an idiot (but we all know that). There’s nothing that the Jews could have done that would have changed their fate but (regardless of how wrong it is to be beaten to death by the police) blacks have it in their hands to save their own lives in many situations by not running from or resisting the police. In many high profile cases the outcome would have been different if the black victim just surrendered to the police without resisting. I can’t think of any instance where running from or resisting the police is actually a good idea, especially not when it is 5 on 1. Why would you ignore such a life saving possibility because you don’t want to “blame the victim”?

In fact, Jews do often condemn what they perceive to be the wrong acts of their fellow Jews. Just today, I have heard chatter to the effect that the Jews who were shot in E. Jerusalem yesterday were “settlers” in an Arab neighborhood (never mind that they were living in their own country in the most ancient Jewish city of Jerusalem) who had no business being where they were and thus contributed to their own fate, so your initial premise is wrong to begin with. But in all of the discussions of black victimization by the police, I have never heard any mention that blacks should alter their behavior in any way.

Blacks seem to exhibit some sort of magical thinking where somehow the police are going to respect their desire to leave a bad situation as long as they want it badly enough.

I agree but I’m going to take it one step further. I’ve seen many interactions between police and citizens. In my experience, Negros almost invariably exhibit a lack of respect for legitimate police authority far more often and to a much greater degree than other races. Police seem accustomed to giving Negros more slack in this regard than they would other races. It’s as if police experience or folklore has inured them to this reality.

The Tyre Nichols video is a glimpse into the future of America. 6 black cops beating a black man to death, and the news blaming it on systemic White racism…

Memphis is a crime ridden s-hole, primarily because of blacks. I can only imagine the day-to-day encounters police officers in that city have with the average citizenry; it’s probably worse than patrolling Baghdad. Cities like Memphis have a problem with hiring and retaining officers, because of the aforementioned problems above, therefore they literally hire anyone who passes the test. In a black city like Memphis, coupled with the affirmative action guidelines of the department, you’re going to have a large black presence on the police force.

I’m really interested to see if any of these officers get the Chauvin treatment, or if their color and bias of city prosecutors gets them a lighter sentence. If you watch the video, Nichols feigns the innocent black man routine while physically resisting arrest and running away… it was the role of a lifetime I suppose, as if he simply listened to them and complied he’d be alive today.

These black cops aren’t the only one who screwed up. A black guy named Juston Walker who works for Pfizer screwed his life big time thanks to Project Veritas. Youtube removed the video with little knowledge of the Streisand effect and got mirrrored elsewhere like Bitchute, Rumble, Odysee.

Video Link

This story is a win win at every level:

Lower crime rate

Alert bormies their cops are diversirards

I can’t say because my kids didn’t have any white teachers of similar age and background. I would guess that by the time this woman was coming up, white women of similar age and background were mostly choosing more ambitious careers than elementary school teacher but for a black woman this was considered a good gig, especially working in a Superzip school district where the pay is high and the kids are relatively easy to work with. As an aside, unless it was just extraordinary luck of the draw, the students in this particular class were especially bright even for a Superzip and in retrospect it was our guess that the principal, wanting to hang on to this particular teacher, allowed her to hand pick who would be in her class.

I agree with you that one Magic Negro does not a race make and that all too often our encounters with blacks are unpleasant but this does not make IJ’s comment correct. In fact when you told your story about your 10/10 Uber driver and what came to mind was my most recent ride from the airport with a black lady Uber driver. This woman missed some turns (that are hard to miss) and ended up going back the slow way on surface streets but this was the real killer (thankfully not literally or I wouldn’t be here): the woman had a 2nd phone that she propped up on the steering wheel and a pair of headphones and while she was driving (admittedly not fast because we were on city streets) she was watching YouTube videos on how to do your hair and makeup. I kid you not.

Lauren Witzke has a post on Gab that 3 of the 5 cops in Memphis are members of the Vice Lords gang and were acting under their direction. I would wait for further confirmation, but that is plausible.

The population of Memphis is 65% black while the police force is 58% black and the surrounding hinterlands are somewhat whiter. This high percentage of black cops suggests a fairly strong degree of affirmative action in Memphis Police Department hiring,

That datum suggests no such thing. If the percentage of blacks on the police force is smaller than the percentage of blacks in the overall population, there can be no way that that fact by itself, in the absence of further contextualizing information, can possibly suggest affirmative action in police department hiring. It actually suggests just the opposite.

If you have further information, then it needs to be made explicit. It does not do to just elide over the only premise that makes the argument work, and it invites the iSteve audience to fill in the gap with their preconceived notion that blacks are too stupid and undisciplined to function as real police officers without help from affirmative action. But since the general population outnumbers the police force by about 1000 to 1, one would have to make the case that blacks are exceptionally poor performers if they still need help from affirmative action to fill the ranks of the police at a ratio 5/6ths of what their raw numbers would suggest. As it so happens, I’m guessing it would not be hard to find one black person in a thousand who could actually function as a police officer without help.

My first guess to explain the data as it appears here would be to assume that white people are more conditioned to view law enforcement as an acceptable career choice and tend to pursue more often than blacks. In spite of everything, whites haven’t really gotten the message that state is not really their friend.

I’ve always felt that affirmative action could be more reasonably be justified in police hiring than in just about any other field. As etymology would suggest, the police are inherently political

So the more political something is, the more it’s OK to ill it full of incompetent dipshits?

“There’s nothing that the Jews could have done that would have changed their fate”

Right. Completely exonerate yourself. How about, for starters, not openly champion communism, the removal of Palestinians from the Holy Land, multiculturalism, Cultural Marxism, and the overall destruction of Anglo-Saxon societies? At least that’s what I’ve been told by the unz commentariat.

“I can’t think of any instance where running from or resisting the police is actually a good idea”

I completely agree. But that doesn’t mean the cops have the license to shitbeat to death someone who does run away or resist.

“In fact, Jews do often condemn what they perceive to be the wrong acts of their fellow Jews”

Yep, just continue to provide cover. We simply can’t trust you given the history of your people. You’re just like blacks that way, or at least that’s been the general message by the Alt Right.

Black Cops Screw Up More

Yeah, they sure do.

Boy, is this surprising.

This is the kind of Earthshaking stuff that I — as an addict — still can’t help but come here for.

Maybe I should follow up with either some lengthy, intellectual essay about why Steve is right, or perhaps just another one of my cheap, humorous (sometimes) photo jokes… Or maybe a music video that is remotely relevant…

because we refuse to even think about them and you had better not either if you know what’s good for you pal, factors

We [whites] refuse to think about them because WE AREN’T RACIST.

I worked with many blacks in my 37 years in corporate America. Some were sharp. Some were marginal (one sincere older employee confessed that he couldn’t read. I kept his secret). We evaluated people on several levels, none of which had a damn thing to do with race. I.e., we looked at productivity, reliability, etc. Whether attendance problems were due to race didn’t matter; attendance problems is what mattered.

So, Alfa, I reject your implication of racism. We didn’t think about it because we didn’t care.

The population of Memphis is 65% black while the police force is 58% black

Black separatism achieved. Failed utopia. Are they now going to demand more white cops? No cops? Federal police?

I would guess that by the time this woman was coming up, white women of similar age and background were mostly choosing more ambitious careers than elementary school teacher but for a black woman this was considered a good gig, especially working in a Superzip school district where the pay is high and the kids are relatively easy to work with.

Teaching is not a bad career choice by any means. It pays more and has better benefits than many other college-graduate jobs, it has more time off, and usually better job security.
As far as I know, other things being equal the pay does not vary whether a teacher is in an elementary, junior high, or high school.

of all of my kids’ elementary school teachers, the best by far was an older light skinned black woman.

Two of my best elementary school teachers were black women. OTOH, the worst one was too.

I later found out that one of the two good teachers (the lighter skinned one) was peripherally involved with the Black Panthers or some similar black supremacist group, lol.

Part of the reason that Nice Black Lady teacher was successful was that she was not afraid to impose discipline on her mostly black pupils. Even in those days I think the white teachers had some trepidation about exerting magisterial authority over The Negro.

At some point in the encounter he attempts to run off and that’s when shit get really real. I realize that by that point he is not thinking clearly anymore. But somehow blacks have to get it into their heads that attempting to run away is not going to result in an improvement in an already bad situation.

From what I read, Nichols ran after one of the cops tried – unsuccessfully it seems – to Tase him. I think that makes his action more understandable. I thought Tasers were supposed to be used as a last resort – three or four cops should be able to restrain one unarmed man.

“… There’s nothing that the Jews could have done that would have changed their fate ..”

Some individuals come have fled if they had seen what was coming. But of course it is hard to abandon your home.

“I’ll take that bet. ..”

Depends on exactly what the bet is. If you have 1000 case are more than half less competent? Seems like a reasonable bet. Is every single one less competent? Doesn’t seem so reasonable.

The Talk needs to include the message that running from the police is not a good idea ( at least not if you don’t have a clear chance of getting away). This may be some sort of animalistic fight or flight response and not the result of rational thought but blacks are human and can be taught to overcome their animal instincts or magical thinking.

Should a nationwide campaign be launched to impress upon blacks that they should cooperate with the police and should not resist arrest? All of the incidents that have received huge media attention in the last ten years seem to have involved a black resisting arrest in some way. If they hadn’t of resisted, they probably would have been unharmed.

What is the likelihood it is an “animalistic flight or fight response” versus just a desire to avoid arrest or to not be one-upped by someone? Do other races resist arrest at similar rates?

How many sheckels are the line? Because you make a gross exaggeration.

A “gross exaggeration,” eh? By how much is his statement off?

Might this not be an example of the system actually working well – for a black city.

Maybe cultures around the world tolerate fierce police forces prone to hair-trigger violence as the price of controlling ne’er do well’s.

The failure of the black community to erupt might suggest exactly this to be the case here, no?

Whenever one of these municipalities goes on a hiring binge to staff a police department with minorities so that it “looks more like the community it serves”, it ends up with a situation where gangstas are policing gangstas.

Police work requires a long fuse. Blacks are notoriously short-fused. The cops in the Memphis video went ballistic pretty quickly. That said, we need a trial to figure out what happened because videos can be misleading (e.g., Rodney King and George Floyd).

I understand that the ideological act you are putting on requires you to say stupid stuff and act obtuse towards the point being made, but this one is in rarefied air, it’s bad.

Just more straw man caricatures and putting words into people’s mouths. We have enough right wing idiots around here and don’t need you to LARP as one.

the Holy Land,

……So, tell us why it’s holy…..

that’s what I’ve been told by the unz commentariat.

…….Learning something are we? ,to quote the icons of the civil-rights movement,……. you have a long way to go…….like maybe intellectual honesty.

yes. And I myself, while trying to cross the Brooklyn Bridge footpath on my bike,

was dragged off it and mildly beaten up by a white female cop.

Well, there’s also “negative action,” which is the fact that black men have about a one third chance of having had a felony conviction which is generally deemed disqualifying for work in law enforcement.* You imagine there also might be a disproportionate number of disqualifying misdemeanors like low level check fraud, retail theft, passing counterfeit currency (Hello Mr. Floyd) or other crimen falsi which would render an officer practically unable to testify in Court proceedings (people forget that about half of the job is being a professional witness). So even before you apply affirmative action you’re looking at a pool of only 2/3 of all breathing black men as potentially eligible for law enforcement service, and then you need to cut that figure down due to age if you assume that forty year old rookies are not ideal for either the department or the officer.

* I’d imagine that this will be a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation in the minds of our left critics of everything – they generally would state that felonies should not be disqualifying for just about any career (ban the box and so forth) because of disparate impact, but if they found out that one of the Memphis Police Officers in this incident had a felony battery in the distant past that was waived – well, that would of course be dispositive proof that the whole force is set up to “break black bodies” with the participation of “black bodies” in furtherance of white supremacy.

Using archival data, they found that Black officers in Chicago were disciplined at a 105 percent higher rate than white officers. In Philadelphia, Black officers were 48 percent more likely than white officers to have been disciplined. Allegations of misconduct include lack of service and verbal or physical assault.

After controlling for the number of allegations of misconduct, they found that Black officers were disciplined at an even higher rate – 132 percent more often than white officers.

This relative-to-complaints issues is at least an interesting question.

In my experience, cops on average skew more to a personality profile of guys who like some action and like asserting authority. In my town if there’s anything going on–beyond the typical speeding, drunk driving and the odd fender bender–every cop in town heads toward it at high speed.

I assume black cops skew this way too, but a lot more of them are there for the public sector paycheck/security/pension. I can definitely see more black cops slow rolling it to a call, with the a “what’s the hurry” attitude and hope the “trouble” will have vanished when they get there.

My guess is in these big city police departments where most of the crime/criminals are black, white cops are more often accused of “racist” aggressive policing where the bodycam video more or less exonerates them. While trouble making blacks are less likely to try and hang that charge on black cops, so when they do the body cam is more likely to indicate some actually overly-aggressive behavior. And that the black cops are more likely to be tagged with the “lack of service”–not showing up–misconduct.

But that’s just my guess. Data for the specific misconduct categories would be interesting.

Was it just me or did the media (including Fox) last night (Friday 1/27/23) seem to be promoting riots in Memphis and elsewhere over this police video release?

It seems like Riots-R-Us was being egged on as various law enforcement outfits were preparing for the riots, whether anyone else was or not.

So hard core Antifa loonies were getting suited up, but who else? That’s not exactly fun on a cold Friday night (date night?) in January.

As I scan news the following day I don’t see much reporting, if any, about hyped up “riots.”

A small number of (paid) troublemakers can be shipped in quickly but real people aren’t too interested in getting gassed or beat up in some pointless riot.

Of course, per the FBI, “antifa” just like the “mafia” doesn’t actually exist. Neither did the “mobs” of rioters.

‘I’ll take that bet. How many sheckels are the line? Because you make a gross exaggeration. Even Mr. Sailer would call into question your conclusion based on his past posts.’

Granted — but thanks to affirmative action, it’s always a bad bet to accept the black.

I have seen incompetent black doctors, incompetent black nurses, and incompetent black bank tellers. The doctor couldn’t give me a coherent explanation of why I had suddenly passed out when I got up in the middle of the night, the nurse was insisting on giving me an intravenous pain killer when I wasn’t in pain (different case than the first), and the bank teller was putting money into one account without taking it out of another — I could not get her to understand she couldn’t do that and eventually gave up and let her have her way. In a few weeks, the computer caught it anyway.

The thing is, absent affirmative action, that doctor might have made a decent vocational nurse, the incompetent nurse might have been able to handle being a bank teller, and the bank teller could have mopped floors properly. But thanks to affirmative action, they were all in positions they couldn’t fill.

We learn. Thanks to the miracle of affirmative action, we start to discriminate even against groups we feel no bias against. I’ve got nothing against Hispanics beyond the fact that so many keep coming here — but I don’t want a Hispanic doctor either. He too might be incompetent — but passed along so as to fulfill the quota.

Of course, per the FBI, “antifa” just like the “mafia” doesn’t actually exist.

The reason is the same.

Gay Edgar Hoover was owned by the mob (where they paid for trysts to provide photos for their files).

Today’s FBI is owned by the same Deep State actors that fund Antifa and BLM–and those Deep State actors probably have the blackmail files to keep the FBI “management” in line.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Of course, per the FBI, “antifa” just like the “mafia” doesn’t actually exist. Neither did the “mobs” of rioters.

You figure that Antifa has pictures of Christopher Wray in a dress, like The Mob reportedly had of Hoover?

Nah, who am I kidding – if Wray wore a dress, he’d be Attorney General by now.

It’s getting hard to remember that there once was a time when there were comedians like Chris Rock, who were funny.

I can’t think of any instance where running from or resisting the police is actually a good idea, especially not when it is 5 on 1. Why would you ignore such a life saving possibility because you don’t want to “blame the victim”?

I think a dirty little secret is that resisting and running from cops is common in urban black America, and it is a good idea a good deal of times because it works. You can catch a cop on a bad day, or close to retirement, or entirely out of shape, etc. and resisting and running actually works in that you get out of the jam with no negative legal action against you. The problem with this is that the near ubiquitous and rather sudden employment of body cameras means that cops have to at least make a reasonable effort at an arrest when they don’t feel like it now, so rather suddenly you’re likely to get more universal, active effort at an arrest.

But also along these lines I think one of the problems with assessing this situation and others which are similar is that in modern America the proportion of the public which has actual first hand experience with physical violence has dwindled, and especially among the ruling classes who populate the Press, the Law, Academia, etc. So they don’t really have much of a frame of reference for what it looks like to make a grown man do something he really doesn’t want to do. It’s really never going to look pretty, or like the gritty crime drama heroine Mariska Hargitay giving a 200 lb man a quick chop to the gut and quickly winding his arm behind his back for the collar while he scowls for getting beaten by a girl. It’s always going to look excessive and brutal. It’s not supposed to look like a fair fight, because it’s not supposed to be a fair fight. These people really have no suggestion for how to deal with the resisting perpetrator – it’s always unanswered as to what the police should have done with George Floyd. The implication is that if a black man doesn’t feel like getting arrested today, you have to let him be and check back at a later time when his mood may have changed.

Three jokes/commentaries by people well-regarded by liberal elite that will be memory-holed:

1. That Chris Rock bit.
2. Richard Pryor’s “Thank God we got penitentiaries” joke.
3. Howard Stern’s comment re Rodney King: “They didn’t beat that idiot enough.”

My liberal co-workers were virtue signaling that there were going to be big riots against the evil cops, and I said I didn’t think it would happen this time……then I shut my mouth about why.

If there are no white people to persecute it’s simply not as much fun for them.

Because you make a gross exaggeration.

So you agree with the premise; you just want to quibble over the amount.

After the arrest, you see one officer somewhat doubled over and limping. My guess is that what triggered the fatal beating was Tyre Nichol kicking one of the officers in the nuts. Then the other officers assumed the collective posture of a black mob, basically attacking the head of the prone victim.

Nevada has proposed a bill for foreign police officers.
Colorado and other CPUSA vassal states will follow suit.
The goal is a United States Police Force made up of NKVD true believers.

Thanks/Agree.

An examination of racial differences in the disciplining of police officers in three of the largest U.S. cities consistently found that Black officers were more frequently disciplined for misconduct than white officers, despite an essentially equal number of allegations being leveled.

The way this is phrased leaves wide open the possibility that they are comparing rates with absolute numbers. In fact, that’s how it’s stated.

The second study quoted does the same thing.

After controlling for the number of allegations of misconduct

In both cases, using absolute numbers could be meaningful only if the black and white proportions were exactly equal.

Time was, we could assume that professional researchers would account for various factors responsibly. But that time is long gone.

In fact, Jews do often condemn what they perceive to be the wrong acts of their fellow Jews. Just today, I have heard chatter…

LOL. Yep, I too have seen several examples over the past few decades, so this is definitely a thing.

I’m kidding. I’ve never seen it once, except in the rare occasion where the distinction was political, and the tribal aspect fairly irrelevant. Never once with Jews qua Jews.

Not even blacks circle the wagons as consistently or aggressively as jews do, though i suppose you could argue that this is because the jews are more skilful at it.

Your scale-of-1-to-10 logic would hold in a world where whites and blacks were assigned to jobs randomly. But that’s not how hiring works. Instead, an employer has some minimum standard, so the people you actually see have met that standard. That’s true with or without affirmative action.

But now bring affirmative action into the picture. The standard for whites is now one thing, and for blacks it’s another. Immediately, you know the worst workers will all be black. But it doesn’t end there because the blacks who can meet the white standard aren’t going to work at that job, they’ll go somewhere better (because they can). And so everywhere in the affirmative action economy (and, yes, Uber drivers aren’t part of that economy) you have the entire black workforce shifted up into jobs above their qualifications.

Hence black Stanford professors with publication records of white ones at San Jose State, a wise Latina Supreme Court justice who doesn’t know de facto from de jure, and General Colin Powell whose great military insight was that the key to victory is having more firepower.

Tyre (why would you name your kid after a rubber donut?)

Despite the spelling, his family seems to have pronounced his name “Ty-Ree”. Tyree was originally a Scottish surname, but was sometimes used as a given name for boys (for example, Confederate General Tyree Bell). Like the names Tyrone and Tyrell, the name was originally European in origin, although today it is frequently used as a first name by black Americans.

See my answer above to JackD.

In the UK we tend to find that minority officers get fast-tracked, especially when they accuse their colleagues of racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Dizaei

Jamshid Ali Dizaei (born 1962) is a former Commander in London’s Metropolitan Police Service, Iranian-born with dual nationality, and formerly one of Britain’s more senior Muslim police officers. Dizaei came to prominence as a result of his outspoken views on racial discrimination in the London Metropolitan Police and various allegations of malpractice on his part. He had received advancement after his criticism of the force following his claims of racism. He was a frequent media commentator on a variety of issues, mainly concerned with ethnicity and religion. In April 2008, he was promoted to Commander, responsible for West London.

In August 2008, he was presented with the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal by the Commissioner, Sir Ian Blair.

Dizaei became the President of the National Black Police Association in 2008.

On 8 February 2010, he was convicted in the Crown Court before Mr Justice Simon on charges of perverting the course of justice and of misconduct in a public office, and was jailed for four years. He had been suspended on full pay since September 2008, and on 31 March 2010 was formally dismissed from the Metropolitan Police.

On 16 May 2011, Dizaei’s appeal against this conviction was successful and the conviction was quashed, but after a retrial in 2012, he was again found guilty of perverting the course of justice and of misconduct in a public office. He was sentenced to three years’ imprisonment. On 15 May 2012, he was dismissed from the Metropolitan Police. Dizaei appealed again, but on 14 February 2013 his appeal was dismissed.

We seem to have at least two Coronaviruses, or the original has developed a split personality.

It’s the Peter Principle with a boost. Everyone tends to rise to their “highest level of mediocrity.” With affirmative action they go a bit further — to their highest level of outright incompetence.

Although the black lady teacher Jack D knew could be a bit of an exception because you can’t really keep rising in that position. Public school teacher is kind of a dead end.

“This may be some sort of animalistic fight or flight response [running from the police] and not the result of rational thought but blacks are human and can be taught to overcome their animal instincts or magical thinking.”

Yes, of course, blacks are human. But the rest of that sentence makes little, if any, sense to anyone who’s observed black behavior. It presupposes ability and motivation, neither of which blacks give much evidence of having.

With all due respect, I’m guessing I’ve spent a lot more time around blacks in a variety of situations than you have. It’d be nice if you were right and I was wrong, though.

I’ll take that bet. How many sheckels are the line? Because you make a gross exaggeration.

Let’s say you are taken hostage and a cop is going to headshot the assailant.

You can choose between a White cop or coin toss for Black/White.

What is your pick? Anything outside of a coin toss would be a gross exaggeration from a dirty racist.

Was it just me or did the media (including Fox) last night (Friday 1/27/23) seem to be promoting riots in Memphis and elsewhere over this police video release?

It seems like Riots-R-Us was being egged on as various law enforcement outfits were preparing for the riots, whether anyone else was or not.

Well, there’s a difference between “egging on” and anticipating, and much of the signs of a coming riot were there. Notably, the authorities in Memphis released the film on a Friday evening which would be conducive to rioting.

So hard core Antifa loonies were getting suited up, but who else? That’s not exactly fun on a cold Friday night (date night?) in January.

Yeah, this one wasn’t in prime riot season but it does seem like they’re “getting the band back together” in preparation for some kind of pressure push in the future.

A small number of (paid) troublemakers can be shipped in quickly but real people aren’t too interested in getting gassed or beat up in some pointless riot.

You may not have noticed but one of the takeaways from the summer of 202o is that you can’t use riot control tactics on “pro-justice” (read: left) riots. You can shoot pro-insurrectionist (read: right) rioters on sight, however.

Of course, per the FBI, “antifa” just like the “mafia” doesn’t actually exist. Neither did the “mobs” of rioters.

You have this half right. The members of the mafia would deny the existence of the mafia when under questioning and its existence was asserted by law enforcement.

Members of antifa claim the existence of the organization linked to violence and destruction, while law enforcement deny its existence.

The reason your FBI and DOJ claim Antifa is an “idea” and isn’t an organization is because they want to avoid having to use the full weight of the Federal government’s racketeering law against Antifa. The only reason you’d want to avoid doing so is because 1) you don’t have a problem with their beliefs or their tactics; and 2) the ne’er-do-well children of important left leaning people are associated with Antifa (the low effort tranny kid of some Congresswoman in leadership was arrested recently, and Tim Kaine’s son was arrested for street violence before). RICO requires an organization with structure for its application, and if the DOJ admitted that there was an organization with structure then predicate acts like arson would justify prosecution of the whole thing.

Based Corvinus?

There’s nothing that the Jews could have done that would have changed their fate

In other words, “we dindu nuffin”

Twinkle-Toes, your long and illustrious posting history has indicated that you have yet to meet Mr. Reality; I’ve been trying to get the two of you together for years, allow me facilitate this introduction:

PS; Mr R., told me he has been trying to meet you for over 50 years, but you are always elsewhere when he comes by.

Well, at least the victim’s family members are managing their way through this with grace and dignity, which helps to contradict the popular assertion that violence and homicide, guided by an emotionally immature drive for revenge, is hard-wired into Negro Collective Nature (NCN)…

https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/brother-of-tyre-nichols-says-he-hopes-all-five-cops-die/

No. It’s the same liberal geezer who thinks he’s being artful. Jack D’s disdain of the Negro has got under his skin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11685421/Antifa-tells-protesters-BURN-braces-riots.html

*Antifa has issued a terrifying call to arms as America braces for a night of violence
*A shocking poster obtained by DailyMail.com shows the group calling upon demonstrators to gather across New York City and ‘Burn It All Down’
*Riots are expected to ignite across the nation following the release of bodycam footage from the killing of Tyre Nichols, 29, by five Memphis police officers

Just going to observe that a mere idea is setting out to peacefully burn, loot, and murder major American cities. But the national security state declares that antigovernment extremists on the right are on the verge of armed rebellion and mass murder.

“His own FBI director said the threat comes from white supremacists — antifa is an idea, not an organization,” Biden said, with Trump retorting, “Oh, you’ve gotta be kidding me.” Biden then repeated that “that’s what his FBI director said.”

“Well, then you know what? He’s wrong,” Trump said. “When a bat hits you over the head, that’s not an idea. Antifa is bad.”

Biden replied, “Everybody who gives you advice in your administration that tells you the truth has a bad idea.” Trump quipped, “Antifa is a dangerous, radical group. And you ought to be careful with them — they’ll overthrow you in a few seconds.”

I was going to lay out evidence comparing government posture towards supposed white supremacy antigovernment extremism (smaller magnitude of violence) vs. Antifa/BLM (much larger magnitude of violence), but it’s too tiresome. I did get as far as this, from SPLC
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/02/designating-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization-dangerous-threatens-civil-liberties

Designating Antifa as Domestic Terrorist Organization Is Dangerous, Threatens Civil Liberties

I reject illegal violence, flirting with same, or hinting at same, by everyone, no matter where they are in the political spectrum. All those who support the liberal pact of reciprocal toleration, however, should be left in peace, not persecuted as extremists, left or right or wacko.

The FBI and SPLC and the establishment consider antigovernment extremists to be the greatest threat to America. But who is more antigovernment than professed violent anarchists such as Antifa? And otherwise, isn’t suspicion of government, limitation of government, a pretty good instinct given the sweep of human history?

OT: GWAS on “same sex sexual activity” shows “gay genes” are associated with mental illness and substance abuse, but also higher IQ and edu attainment. Remarkably, gay genes are not associated negatively with number of children!

Given that we know that actual gays have far fewer children (recently saw estimates of 70% less for males and 50% for females), this result suggests that “gay genes” that increase chance of homosexuality increase fitness or fertility in *non-homosexuals* who have them. Probably by making them some combination of more social, risk taking, intelligent, and impulsive.

I think this is plausible based on my own experience. Alcohol makes me much more social and impulsive with women even while making me more “crazy” which is what you’d call someone who behaves like he’s always buzzed. Especially in my 20s I could not hit on women without at least 1 drink in me.

Or to phrase this differently, the optimal number of gay genes isn’t zero, but something low enough you won’t actually be gay but high enough you aren’t too “male-brained” you’re bad at interacting with women.

Genes associated with sexuality & reproduction also impact a range of other traits. These outcomes are particularly interesting for genetics because they show a snapshot of natural selection 🧬

Figure from https://t.co/37RHhqcOQZ
More on natural selection https://t.co/nN4yG1V1Tc pic.twitter.com/WS3p5NzvhE

— Abdel Abdellaoui (@dr_appie) January 26, 2023

Need.More.Gun.Stores.

Absolutely spot on! There’s so much talk about police reform, but there’s never any mention whatsoever of cultural reform for young black men. These dummies seem to think it’s perfectly acceptable to fight and/or run away from the police. It NEVER works out well for them, but the families they leave behind are quite handsomely paid. If the guy in Memphis, had just taken Chris Rock’s advice, he’d be alive right now.

I have no idea what Tyre Nichols did to provoke that beating – but a group of black guys all ganging up on one person is very on-brand.

Based on IRL experience and the cornucopia of videos of black-administered beatings, there are very few one-on-one black assaults other than those are just cold cocking someone. It’s always a pack that decide to mete out punishment to a single target. Not much honor in that, but something everyone ought to be aware of when out and about.

It’s not just cops. They exhibit this kind of thoughtless, defiant behavior in numerous settings. They probably can be trained out of it, over the next three to five generations, but we’d need to repeal Title VII and all affirmative action schemes starting tomorrow. Then they could learn what ornery whites learn or become dead or imprisoned for the lack of: if you want a steady job, a bank loan, a nice place to live, a patronage network, good service at restaurants, etc., then you need to be polite, deferential to authority figures, and control your impulses. We’ve removed all the disincentives to bad behavior by blacks, so there’s no feedback mechanism for them.

Of course, we’re removing disincentives to bad behavior for everyone because, again, structural racism. And whites, while not at levels of social dysfunction that blacks have arrived at are rounding second and sprinting hard.

Slavery will destroy America, like it was always going to.

If you guys would stop fighting the expropriation of the country by a hostile foreign elite, our new brown overlords would have things under control post-haste.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/indian-vs-black-vigilante-killings-upend-a-sa-town/articleshow/85938247.cms

“The blows thundered down — bats, a hammer, a field hockey stick — as Njabulo Dlamini lay curled on the pavement, trying to summon the strength to move.
He and five friends, all of them Black, had been driving in a minibus taxi through the streets of Phoenix, a predominantly Indian suburb created from the forced racial segregation of apartheid South Africa.”

In Chicago due to politics most of the upper ranks of police are black

How many cities is this not the case? It seems like every major American city has a black police chief, male or female. Cities are still going along with the idea that black chiefs mean racism is cured, but like with most things run by blacks it means things get much worse.

Was she Jewish?

Where does she fall in the HA (((female))) categorization system?

Was it a random attack or did she think you were trying to sell the bridge without a permit?

Charles Murray’s 2021 book Two Truths features many examples of how black affirmative action hires tend to get in serious trouble for screwing up, just as The Bell Curve would predict.

Indeed.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/memphis-police-chief-cerelyn-davis-fired-from-a-previous-job/

They probably can be trained out of it

There is no need to speculate.

Africa is the laboratory.

We know from that “experiment” that a criminal elite will rule in luxury and the rest of the society will live in poverty and shacks. The boredom will be occasionally broken by tribal massacres or revolutions as new criminals seek their turn at the loot.

With no Whitopias to flee to all remaining hope will end.

Black female police chiefs were supposed to revolutionize policing

Hurr durr. Santa Claus was supposed to come down my chimney. I found out that wasn’t so. If you believed the above, that’s on you. The Santa thing was more plausible.

“Bu-bu-t the government said so!”

Yeah, they never lie, or are wrong, or have an agenda….

I remember when having the first nigro mayor of a big American city was going to do it. The youf’ would be inspired and the ghetto would clean itself up. Those first two cities with a nigro in charge were Gary, Indiana and Cleveland, Ohio. Guess how they turned out? LOL.

Then it was having a nigro mayor of Washington DC. Then having a nigro Mayor of NYC…. Along the way, the party was going to start with a nigro governor, nigro senators, nigro Oscar winners. Then Obama got elected President thanks to massive White stupidity.

Election Day night in 2008, when he was confirmed as the winner, some White cuck was literally crying on air. He was with a dry-eyed scowling Al Sharpton, who tells him “This means nothing.”

Well it meant White surrender and the accelerated destruction of our country, which was already swirling around the bowl before Obama, but other than that, Sharpton was right.

Slightly OT – From the AP: Three people were killed and four others wounded in a shooting at a multimillion dollar short-term rental home in an upscale Los Angeles neighborhood early Saturday, police said.

See how well you can fill in the details before they emerge.

https://apnews.com/article/crime-california-los-angeles-9aae014fbb6f2edcc54abccfb48a3f66

Was driving home this evening with my wife, the local radio station takes syndicated ‘news’ from Sky News.

There was your Memphis story of a BLACK motorist beaten to death by five police officers, no mention at all of their race from Sky News who were clearly attempting to incite racial hatred against White people by their misdirection.

Lying turds.

OT

The race-hustling Obama family has received some good news. Malia, the “writer,” has been hired by the overrated Donald Glover of Atlanta fame to write about an untalented, borderline obese black woman based on Beyonce. It’s perfect for Malia because Glover can’t stand whites, and his narcissism is so hilarious that he thot his previous series was as good as The Sopranos. I can’t wait for this piece of crud to debut.

https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/malia-obamas-screenwriting-donald-glover-atlanta

Black Cops Screw Up More

Duh. That’s because bLACKS screw up more.

They suck as drivers, as citizens, as cops, as fast food workers, as parents, as mayors, as President—as every fking thing that doesn’t involve chasing a ball. Dogs are good at doing that, too–and a hell of a lot better than blacks in every other respect.

LOL.

The writer is likely assuming the group of qualified black applicants is limited, due to non-controversial factors widely reviewed at the Unz Review. A significant fraction of the pool of potential black cops are hopefully disqualified due to serious prior criminal convictions. Combining that fact with average IQ~ 85, the number of potential candidates who can pass a non-AA police test is low.

You’re an asshole Sailer. Seriously.

Are some of you feeling extra threatened by the crime wave? And yet conflicted? You love to goon to BBC (Big Black Champions – guys like Wilt Chamberlin or OJ Simpson) but since many of you are feeble shut-ins, you feel extra threatened by “urban” crime.

I guess most of you can retreat to a world of anagrams and meaningless data patterns, going through life like a pothead – numbed out. And since you don’t care about your children and grandchildren, that makes it easier to give up and surrender.

So Mission Accomplished!

Maybe by pointing out that the officers are black, they can blunt outrage. The media are less eager for riots now that a Democrat is in office.

As far as I know, other things being equal the pay does not vary whether a teacher is in an elementary, junior high, or high school.

Pay is set by the union contract. You probably get more through seniority and graduate degrees (Masters and PhDs). Pensions tend to be good and indexed to the CPI. It’s not a bad job if you like kids and can put up with the admin BS.

DC police hired felons in the early 90s, and it worked out just like you would expect.

Your point about a small and shrinking pool is a good one.

The Left pushed hard for cops to wear body cameras sure that they would show cops beating up innocent blacks. I am sure the knowledge that the camera is on has made cops more careful, but the unintended consequence of their use is to show everybody the kind of assholes cops deal with every day.

All the Memphis 5 had been hired since 2020.

Remember McNamara’s Morons?

Jocko Willink had a podcast on this. It was really sad. There are a lot of little things a soldier in combat can do to increase his chances. A significant percentage of men killed in Vietnam were in their first few weeks of deployment. Your chances of survival would increase steeply with time in country.

Some of these low IQ troops could barely tie their boots, they’d never learn from mistakes, some of them didn’t even fully comprehend what was happening. Their KIA rate was significantly higher than other troops. It seemed really cruel.

https://jockopodcast.com/2022/01/05/315-draft-dodgers-and-low-iq-men-being-used-as-cannon-fodder-mcnamaras-folly/

The cops were systemically white, and intersectionally, as well.

But now bring affirmative action into the picture. The standard for whites is now one thing, and for blacks it’s another. Immediately, you know the worst workers will all be black. But it doesn’t end there because the blacks who can meet the white standard aren’t going to work at that job

The dopey libs that came up with affirmative action don’t understand how hiring works.

They imagine Whitey B Uptight hiring some other White men cause race. So the government comes in and forces them to hire a few Blacks. What’s the big deal? Especially when in theory the business has two applicants of equal qualification and so the employer picks the minority.

Well these liberals don’t understand that for skilled positions it can actually take a while to find someone. Sure there may be a lot of applicants but it takes time to find the best ones and they hire from the top of the stack.

Affirmative action royally fucks this all up by saying: you must hire from this other stack. Well Blacks are a minority and for some positions there are few if any applicants. So a company will hire a Black that may even be qualified but he is now working with Whites that were hired from the top. It can mess up an entire department and previously neutral Whites start resenting AA and assume other minorities were hired for the same reason. It ends up denigrating minorities that don’t need AA.

I have seen this in the real world and the results can be disastrous.

It’s really just a terrible idea and it is unreal that Nixon not only supported it but expanded AA beyond what the Democrats were asking.

But even Republicans now support AA as seen by Herschel Walker so I don’t see it changing any time soon. Corporations have their own policies and don’t even think about it. As I said in another post there are mediocre White managers that exploit it for their own gain. Basically cushion themselves with AA hires and if something goes wrong they can play dumb and act like they were supporting diversity. It lets them keep away those pesky White male thinkers that ask to many questions like why is so much time spent on TPS reports.

Indian reservations have their own tribal police. The precedent has been set.

Does he have a sister named Nineveh?

Guess you’re not old enough to remember the Rodney King beatdown

I am in my 50’s, so I do remember it as well as its aftermath.

If memory serves, what King was hit with were mostly early-era Tasers and PR-24 batons. He might have been punched or kicked in the body a couple of times, but I don’t ever recall a full-on soccer kick to the head like the one that the black cop doled out in the recent Memphis case. There is a pretty large lethality difference between strikes delivered to the body (except straight to the chest) and a full-on soccer kick delivered to the head, especially with boots. The latter is all but guaranteed to inflict a serious injury or even death (soccer-kicking with barefoot is not nearly as dangerous, because the human foot is actually quite brittle*, which is why Thai kickboxers condition their shins and kick with them, not their feet).

*The heel, though, is the probably the second hardest part of a human body after the cranium. Foot stomps with the heel on a head is a “kill shot” in fights.

“Just more straw man caricatures and putting words into people’s mouths. “

Projection. Ain’t it grand?

“We have enough right wing idiots around here and don’t need you to LARP as one

Just pointing out a version of truth.

Okay, point taken and I stand corrected, there are such cases.

Some of the examples you linked are particularly egregious, because the suspects were already under restraint by other officers. I’d be very surprised if the officers involved were not sanctioned. Soccer-kicking and stomping on heads of suspects already under restraint are completely contrary to police procedures and allowed tactics.

That said, I don’t think those were all white officers.

I have no idea what Tyre Nichols did to provoke that beating – but a group of black guys all ganging up on one person is very on-brand.

Yes, but LEOs swarming a lone suspect is also “on brand” for police work. Swarming, when properly done, is supposed to reduce the chance of using lethal force on a suspect.

I found out from the radio that his name is pronounced Tie Ray, not Tire.

I have heard chatter to the effect that the Jews who were shot in E. Jerusalem yesterday were “settlers” in an Arab neighborhood (never mind that they were living in their own country in the most ancient Jewish city of Jerusalem)

Jerusalem is not in their country.

I’ve spent a lot more time around blacks in a variety of situations than you have.

My sincerest condolences. ☮

if you want a steady job, a bank loan, a nice place to live, a patronage network, good service at restaurants, etc., then you need to be polite, deferential to authority figures, and control your impulses.

What is a “patronage network”?

At some point in the encounter he attempts to run off…

C’mon Jack, Tyre (apparently for good reason) feared for his life.

blacks are human and can be taught to overcome their animal instincts…

I find this exceedingly difficult to believe. ☮

No. It’s the same liberal geezer who thinks he’s being artful. Jack D’s disdain of the Negro has got under his skin.

While I often don’t agree with him, Jack D. has a pretty accurate view of blacks. I think I would say the same thing about John Johnson. Corvinus, on the other hand, has a blind spot when it comes to blacks. The one time I got into an extended argument with him it was about whether some African countries might have been better off back when they were under white rule. There were elderly blacks under Mugabe in Zimbabwe who would say just that, but Corvinus wouldn’t budge in his position that any country is always better off under someone who is a member of the majority racial or ethnic group in that country.

We will probably never completely solve the black problem, but we can mitigate the negative externalities they create by changing the crime, affirmative action and welfare policies that have exacerbated the problem. Those policies are supported by the white elites so if we want to successfully deal with the black problem, we need to dislodge our current white elites from their positions of power.

TV stations serving minority neighborhoods should play this Chris Rock video as a public service announcement at least once an evening in prime time.

Rodney King and the Memphis victim would not have experienced what they did had they just laid quietly on the ground and put their hands behind their back when they were first instructed to do so by the police.

The Memphis police committed murder — second degree maybe?. Chauvin used an approved, non-lethal restraint technique on a criminal who overdosed and died in his custody.

I look forward to comparing the treatment of the police in the two cases.

Maybe Tyre is an abbreviation for Tyrone.

The writer is likely assuming the group of qualified black applicants is limited, due to non-controversial factors widely reviewed at the Unz Review. A significant fraction of the pool of potential black cops are hopefully disqualified due to serious prior criminal convictions.

It’s currently hard for these cities to find applicants of any race.

They will happily take White applicants but of course they don’t advertise that reality. Fewer Whites are applying and it is making these departments nervous.

Of course that is no surprise. Who wants to be the next cop to be vilified on CNN? Especially when these departments make it clear that they will assume their own employees are guilty if it is a White/Black case. Seattle actually let criminals take over an entire section and declare their own country.

Who would want to go and work for such spineless administrators?

Police have to be on the frontlines of Clown Town. They have to swallow the biggest lies and smile for the camera when they know the system is corrupt as hell. They don’t get to live off in the burbs and enjoy a life of delusion.

To quote the late, great Meyer Lansky regarding J. Edgar Hoover, “We fixed that cocksucker.”

They[blacks] suck as drivers, as citizens, as cops, as fast food workers, as parents, as mayors, as President—as every fking thing that doesn’t involve chasing a ball.

Let’s get serious–there are many 1st-rate black citizens BUT we all know what the issues are with the rest.

Occupations at which blacks excel (on average): dancer/choreographer; singer (opera, blues, country, soul, jazz); politician (they excel at getting elected thx to oratorical skills; horrible at actually performing job); preacher; salesman; actor; sports announcer; news announcer; propaganda writer; lower-level teacher.

I’m sure that’s it. His father probably dabbles in ancient civilizations as a hobby

In the past ten years we’ve tallied:

5,749 shot & killed
340 stabbed
180 beaten
198 killed via other means
259 shot by police, 91 fatally
Averaged 9 people shot per day

In the Vietnam War:

Of all enlisted men who died in V’nam, blacks made up 14.1% of the total. This came at a time when they made up 11.0% of the young male population nationwide. If we add officer casualties to enlisted then the black percentage is reduced to 12.5% of all casualties.

Of the 7262 blacks who died, 6, 955 or 96% were Army and Marine enlisted men. The combination of our selective service policies, our AFQT testing of both drafted and volunteers, the need for skilled enlisted men in many areas of the armed forces, all conspired to assign blacks in greater numbers to the combat units of the Army and Marine Corps. Early in the war, when blacks made up about 11.0% of our V’nam force, black casualties soared to over 20% of the total (1965, 1966). Black leaders protested and Pres Johnson ordered that black participation should be cut back in the combat units. As a result, the black casualty rate was cut to 11.5% by 1969.

https://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwc10.htm

Practically a small war in ChiTown!

The vast majority of police brutality cases are unadulterated humbug, serving to deflect the public’s attention from the fact that blacks are disproportionately prone to violent crime and just general social mischief.

The Black soldier, Lewis B. Larry, had a daughter in an elementary school in Chicago when this was aired December 1, 1967. Memorial service at end for fallen comrade.

Now that’s big of you.

Kudos.

Your daughter had a child with a Ninja?

“A black guy named Juston Walker who works for Pfizer screwed his life big time thanks to Project Veritas.”

No, this is a limited hangout to make anti-vaxxers squeal “See, I told you Pfizer is evil cuz now they’re tryna mutate the virus!!” when in reality there is no virus. Please never fall for these transparent rope a dopes.

And parachutes.

We will probably never completely solve the black problem, but we can mitigate the negative externalities they create by changing the crime, affirmative action and welfare policies that have exacerbated the problem. Those policies are supported by the white elites so if we want to successfully deal with the black problem, we need to dislodge our current white elites from their positions of power.

Here is my take on it.

If race became accepted within the culture and the public wasn’t told fibs about it being “skin color ‘n sports” then those White elites would turn towards reality-based solutions out of necessity. I have been around enough egalitarians to know that they would continue to propose various solutions to at least mitigate racial inequality.

Maybe some of those solutions would work, maybe some of them wouldn’t but they would at least be forced to work with the reality in front of them.

I really don’t care if liberals and leftists want to propose taxes on the wealthy to pay for Black schools or job training programs. Not at all. The problem I have is that the left has adopted the overarching view that White men are to blame. They chase the tails of their own narratives and then blame and denigrate White men out of frustration when their plans don’t work.

The American right isn’t much better. Sure they reject left-wing solutions but they don’t have any real alternatives which just lets the narrative lurch left. On some level they reject left-wing solutions for the wrong reasons. A lot of those left-wing solutions “just happen” to work better in other countries. Our conservatives are also unwilling to face a certain reality.

There is also an underestimation of how much private effort is directed at “fixing” the race problem under the assumption that Blacks just need to be unleashed from White oppression. A lot of that effort could be redirected towards positive efforts. We are talking billions upon billions from non-profits and corporations that are all directed at race denial based solutions. Imagine if that was directed towards something like practical job training programs.

I am all for trying to dislodge White elites but smashing their great lie would be just as effective.

I can’t imagine what a city cop thinks if he reads the police blotter from a 97% white & Asian suburb, and reads what the police officers did that day. (I have, although I am not a policeman.) And maybe the city cop also happens to watch an old movie, and sees the scene where the city cop on the beat, maybe Lloyd Nolan, says “Run along now boys, or I’ll have to tell your mothers.” And then the boys say, Sorry officer, it won’t happen again.

Why doesn’t the city cop then think, “I don’t have a time machine, so I can’t go back to the old days with Lloyd Nolan. But I sure can move to that 97% place, and so I’m out of here.”

One of the problems with you is that you misrepresent basic stuff like the reported prevalence of indoor plumbing in Russian rural areas and fail to clarify that you can’t read Russian. So that you go along with a Moscow Times English language article claiming that 1 in five Russians doesn’t have a Crapper. And you don’t look at the underlying report to even verify your assertions. 1 in five of the rural population don’t have connection to a mains sewerage system. Anyone living in a town has the normal facilities and most of the country folk use cesspools/septic tanks. The rest are probably derelicts of one sort or another or semi nomadic steppe pony breeders or hermits in the tundra.

On these black cops and other stories…The problem isn’t that white people get blamed for stuff, it’s that white people put up with monkeyshines in the first place instead of crushing the scum who dare to raise their hand against White people. No one is frightened of whitey anymore.

I’m not offering a solution here of course. Point taken on that.

Car culture, she’s touring the US in a 150k Land Rover. She’s cute though.

I covered this myth about blacks bearing the brunt of deaths in Vietnam already: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/exacting-personal-costs-for-nonconformity/#comment-4291135

1. Throughout the Vietnam War period, the percentage of blacks among the draft-age males in the United States was 13.5%.

2. Among those sent to Vietnam, the percentage of blacks was 10.6%.

3. Among those who died in Vietnam, the percentage of blacks was 12.5%.

4. Among those who were killed by hostile action in Vietnam, the percentage of blacks was 12.1% (I was incorrect earlier when I wrote 11%).

One could argue from points 2. and 3. that blacks died proportionately among those sent to Vietnam (although only moderately so). Of course, that begs the question, then, why blacks were a smaller contingent of the force in Vietnam than warranted by their share of the draft-age male population at the time (10.6% vs. 13.5%), which hardly fits the “disproportionate bearing of the burden” narrative.

The leftist-dominated mainstream media long have claimed and propagated the idea that young black American males disproportionately bore the burden of deaths in Vietnam, but as you can see they were only 12.1% of those killed by the enemy in the Vietnam War when they comprised 13.5% of the draft-age males in the U.S.

Again, that myth is a product of the 1964-66 period, when the black death rate in Vietnam WAS disproportionately high at roughly 20% of the deaths. But this was PRIOR to the major buildup for the war – the peak deaths in Vietnam were not until 1968-1969, by which time blacks accounted for 13% of the war dead and falling (by 1970, it was under 10%).

The Wikipedia article on the death mentions that the dead guy is black but has not a word on the race of the cops.

In the “Talk” section, there’s a long debate about this. Those expressing an opinion are basically limited to the following:

“Mentioning the cops’ race would be racist!”

or

“It’s OK to mention the cops were black, because it’s still ‘systemic racism’!”

Dear God.

Let’s get serious–there are many 1st-rate black citizens

LOL. Keep dreaming, pal. Unlike you, I AM serious.

Thanks, quality post. Many here would prefer to think that all police brutality is as rare as (unjustified) killings are. The problem with that is beating a guy up is a lot easier to get away with than murder, especially if it’s not on camera, and cops know this.

With so much body cam now, it should be possible to get some solid stats for sublethal brutality rates across different departments. This could be a nice future Takimag article for Steve “Knowledge Is Good” Sailer.

Corvinus thinks I’m David French and has e-mailed me very graphic and disturbing fantasies about being my wife. Very troubled individual.

Blacks beating up blacks. So……what is new here?

Sorry pal.

Separation, physical and financial, is the only solution. Let the blacks solve their own problems. THAT should be the endgame. All the rest is pure BS.

The view we need to push is pretty simple.
Blacks underperform due to genetics. Training, affirmative action, group hugs make no difference in their performance.
Stop blaming whites. Stop affirmative action because it is unjust, it is rooted in a false understanding of the cause of the problem, and it promotes and spreads incompetency.
Put criminals (of any color) in jail to protect society. If blacks fill up our prisons (and they will), it’s not a problem, it’s a solution to a problem.
Treat every individual the same. A black who works hard and plays by the rules gets to play under the same rules as everyone else.
After that, forget about race and focus our politics on prosperity, opportunity, and freedom, which is what we would be talking about in the first place if we had no blacks.
Add in sterilization of welfare recipients (of any color) and the black problem is solved. With fewer, better blacks America can still move forward. Prison and sterilization are the tools to get us there.

They rise to principal, and then to superintendant of the school district.

Can I answer for Corvinus?

Slavery will destroy America, like it was always going to.

So I keep hearing. But why didn’t it destroy nearly every other country on Earth?

China, Brazil, India, Arabia… Start wherever you like.

The odd bit is that our grandparents knew all about Schwartzes and their dysfunction. I recall my savta’s sage admonishments to us grandkids to “Stay away from Schwartzes.”

It’s not like this wasn’t known.

There is a reason a lot of people don’t trust cops:

Unarmed ‘disabled’ man wrongly suspected of holding hostage is shot by cops

https://nypost.com/2023/01/23/unarmed-disabled-man-jason-kloepfer-shot-by-cops-video/

After the arrest, you see one officer somewhat doubled over and limping.

There was another cop leaning over the car like he was exhausted. Whatever else, 6’3″, 145 lb Tyre did a little damage.

Tyre……..sadly the ancient Celts never made it that far ……just imagine the music.

Can I answer for Corvinus?

…….for the love of all that’s holy ,don’t go down that road.

I have no idea what Tyre Nichols did to provoke that beating – but a group of black guys all ganging up on one person is very on-brand.

Exactly. People are acting shocked by this. Why? You see it three times a week in airport videos.

True, the videos only start after Nichols’ car was stopped, but we are repeatedly assured that there was NO JUSTIFICATION for the stop.

One quibble: the cops didn’t repeatedly tell Nichols to “get flat on the ground”. They shouted repeatedly for him to “get on the ground” after he was already on the ground, completely confusing him. The level of incompetence, stupidity, aggression, and corruption was truly African in proportions.

Tiny Burlington, Vermont (pop. 45k, >90% White) has been searching for a new Schwartze police chief for years.

The mayor and city council will not hire the logical choice, a local White, Harvard-educated beat cop (you read that right) who has been on the force for ages. They put him in as “Acting Chief” years ago while they keep looking for their magic Schwartze.

The problem for them is any Schwartze (man or woman) with any degree of ability will be scooped up by a large city like Chicago or even Buffalo NY which has higher prestige and can pay more than podunk 90% White Burlington.

I don’t know how the “Acting Chief” can stand the humiliation. Why he’s still there who knows.

They just saw, and they blamed Whitey. Oh well, it’s good for a laugh

The Left pushed hard for cops to wear body cameras sure that they would show cops beating up innocent blacks.

Except the body cams haven’t really shown much besides confirmed Black criminal stereotypes, have they?

The problem with body cams is the footage release policies. Leftist authorities still have power to release the vid when they like the narrative, not release the vid when they don’t like the narrative.

Yeah, white cops do this kind of thing, too. As a general rule, cops are assholes:

But still once James O’Keefe showed, Justin Walker panicked a lot and became a funny internet meme. 😉


Video Link
Edit: Paul Craig Roberts also posted an article about this. https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-collapse-of-the-covid-narrative/

There is a reason a lot of people don’t trust cops:

There are a lot of reasons why people-including cops-don’t trust negroes.

Can I answer for Corvinus?

No need.

The answer is the same for 100% of the population if it can be selected anonymously.

LOL, you guys are hilarious.

There was another cop leaning over the car like he was exhausted. Whatever else, 6’3″, 145 lb Tyre did a little damage.

Maybe, but I suspect the cops hurt themselves administering the beating.

In the “Talk” section, there’s a long debate about [whether to mention the race of the cops]. Those expressing an opinion are basically limited to the following:

“Mentioning the cops’ race would be racist!”

or

“It’s OK to mention the cops were black, because it’s still ‘systemic racism’!”

Your latter observation is by definition because ignoring whomever was editing out this fact, only two out of sixteen people argued for suppressing this salient fact. As I type this it’s mentioned twice in the article.

For major things, as in lots of people will be looking at an article, Wikipedia tends to get the most basic of facts correct. Here I doubt they had any choice when the alphabetical by family name list of officers starts “Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley….” plus there’s a Desmond.

I am all for trying to dislodge White elites but smashing their great lie would be just as effective.

What exactly is the “great lie”?

The problem is this – maybe 25% of the population strongly (though some secretly) agree with you. Maybe another 25% somewhat agree. 25% of the population agrees with “abolish the police” and another 25% partially buys into the “systemic racism” narrative. So you have a divided society and the kind of reforms that you are advocating can never be put in place, at least not for very long before the next election goes 51/49 the other way. Trump’s platform was (and is) not much like what you are saying and Biden’s was and is the polar opposite. So that which needs to be done is never going to get done and a lot of bad stuff is going to happen instead.

In Memphis, the politicians held out for the “Scorpion Unit”, a special unit that was assigned to reduce crime in the ghetto (most of Memphis is a ghetto) for about 24 hrs. before they gave in and disbanded it. During those 24 hrs they truthfully said that getting rid of the unit would result in more crime in Memphis but the public response was “we don’t care”. Blacks will tolerate almost unlimited crime as long as it is not committed by police or white people. In 2021 in Memphis there was literally a murder every day, most of them involving one black person shooting another black person and not one of them attracted 1/100th the attention of Tyre’s death.

So I really don’t have any hope that things are really going to change for the better. Probably for the worse.

Good! Of course, pages are always changing.

I don’t have his email address. But in his now defunct blog he let it skip regarding his family situation. His daughter has a mixed race child. Nothing wrong with that on the least.

Hey, if you don’t mind me asking, did you ever comment long ago on Patrick McIheran’s column for the MJS?

I decided to confirm this recollection with my sources and I have to issue a correction. The Panther-involved teacher wasn’t the black teacher of otherwise sainted memory but a different (and white) elementary school teacher and her husband who were also card-carrying Communists and backers of various other far left causes.

A thousand pardons for the misattribution Mrs. [REDACTED]! May knowledge of your many good works live on in the Halls of the Infinite!

Leftist authorities still have power to release the vid when they like the narrative, not release the vid when they don’t like the narrative.

Perhaps, but lefty San Francisco certainly didn’t like the Pelosi tape and it got released anyway.

I am all for trying to dislodge White elites but smashing their great lie would be just as effective.

What exactly is the “great lie”?

The great lie is that race is only skin color and racial inequality outside of sports is caused by White racism either past or present.

This is sometimes called “paint theory” which is an esoteric reference to a conservative writer who talked about how liberals want to believe that race is merely spray paint. Obviously not a mainstream conservative writer as such views are not tolerated by the mainstream right as they also maintain their own lie (race doesn’t exist and inequality is caused by Democrats/big government).

No.

I’m not aware of name and don’t recognize the acronym.

As a general rule, cops are assholes

So are almost all of the people that they deal with to any extent beyond giving simple warnings or writing tickets. And a significant number of those assholes are dangerous assholes, who have no rules or protocols to follow whatsoever.

Walk it like you talk it, Chesty. Move to a negro neighborhood, and drop by the local precinct. Tell the cops they’re assholes and that you won’t be needing their services. That’ll show ’em.

You’re certainly right that realism about race is dead on arrival in American politics today. I like to think though there is still value in stating the truth clearly, bluntly if needed. The Left never hesitates to promote extreme positions and they manage to move the Overton window their way.

“Guess you’re not old enough to remember the Rodney King beatdown, caught on tape at a time that personal tape recorders were expensive and rare, much less having one ready to go at a perfect vantage point . . . but I digress. I don’t think the cops involved in the Rodney King beating soccer kicked him in the head, but watch the video. Justified or not he was certainly held down while at least one other officer was whacking him pretty good with the billy club.

“That actually led to an off color joke ‘What’s the difference between NYPD and LAPD? NYPD goes barhopping, LAPD goes clubbing.’”

Nice joke, but you don’t remember the Rodney King beatdown, either.

Like over 100 million other Americans and residents, I saw that blurry video by George Holliday hundreds of times. Every evening news director led with it on every channel, every night, for over a year. You either didn’t know or failed to mention that the video had been doctored by an as-yet-unnamed ktla staffer.

The staffer deleted the opening sequence, in which Rodney King charged Officer Laurence Powell.

Oh, but let’s go back to the beginning, before the video. The cops told everyone to stay in the car. King’s two black passengers complied. King refused. After driving up to 115 mph, he got out of the car. When ordered to get on the ground, spread-eagled, he turned around and shook his butt at the officers and mocked them.

A chp police person (who was serving with her husband) fantasized that she would arrest King (6’2,’ a buff, 220 lbs. of prison muscles, and apparently on pcp) while holding her gun in one hand, and her cuffs in the other. Sgt. Stacy Koon, the supervising LAPD officer at the scene, saw that and recalled a scene he had experienced of four dead cops in the morgue, after another cop had tried that stunt, and the perp seized his gun and killed them all. Koon took over.

Koon and the four lapd officers with him tried the “swarm” technique, whereby each officer grabs a limb. King tossed all four men off like rag dolls.

Sgt. Koon tased King. No effect. He tased him again. Again, no effect.

King charged Officer Powell. All four cops began beating King with their batons, and continued until he submitted. Everything they did was both lawful and moral. Nobody ever held him down, while someone else beat him.

The reason the four White cops were acquitted at trial in Simi Valley was that the jury saw the complete Holliday tape, and also learned what had happened prior to the tape.

https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-to-extinguish-riot.html

Perhaps, but lefty San Francisco certainly didn’t like the Pelosi tape and it got released anyway.

I don’t understand that. The tape shows Paul Pelosi in a good light. They should have released it immediately.

P.S.: I forgot to mention that, when President George H.W. Bush saw the South-Central L.A. riot in late April, 1992 live on TV, with blacks committing arson, looting, and murder at will, he called up the DOJ, and ordered his AG, William Barr, to railroad the four White LAPD cops on fake federal charges.

Barr immediately complied.

So much for the independence of the DOJ.

There’s one other factor in the Rodney King incident, don’t know if it came up in the Simi Valley state trial but Massad Ayoob brought it to our attention. The LAPD skimped on training, here not teaching all of the standard baton techniques that included ones that can be used to capture a perp like King in this sort of situation. Thus the police had exactly three options: beat him down, shoot him, or let him go.

This is akin to the George Floyd incident; we’ll never know the truth now, but there’s a theory of “excited delirium” which has a bad survival prognosis which is made worse if the person experiencing it is allowed to move around creating even more internal heat. We’re told the prescriptions for that are what the cops who restrained Floyd were following; we might add they called for an ambulance because of it.

Oh, but let’s go back to the beginning, before the video. The cops told everyone to stay in the car. King’s two black passengers complied. King refused. After driving up to 115 mph, he got out of

The fact that he supposedly got a Yugo with 3; 250lb. guys in it to go 115 mph made the official story sound ridiculous. As Paul Rodriguez famously said at the time; “you couldn’t get a Yugo to go 115mph if you rolled that sucker off a cliff…”

King wasn’t on PCP.

He should have gave himself immediately.

But here’s what happened that you neglected to mention.

—Koon acknowledged ordering the continued use of batons, directing Powell and Wind to strike King with “power strokes”. According to Koon, Powell and Wind used “bursts of power strokes, then backed off”. The officers beat King. In the videotape, King continues to try to stand again. Koon orders the officers to “hit his joints, hit the wrists, hit his elbows, hit his knees, hit his ankles”. Officers Wind, Briseno, and Powell attempted numerous baton strikes on King, resulting in some misses but with 33 blows hitting King, plus seven kicks. The officers again “swarmed” King, but this time a total of eight officers are involved in the swarm. King is placed in handcuffs and cord cuffs, restraining his arms and legs. King is dragged on his abdomen to the side of the road to await the arrival of emergency medical rescue.—

Did the officers have a duty to subdue King?

Sterilization will never be accepted because of bad optics. Prison in a Federal pen is over 100,000 per year. How about a system where prisons have no TV, No sexual assault of inmates tolerated, and regular bible sessions with lots of enforced hard labor. Then offer inmates a chance to move to the Congo, with a small stipend of say 1,000 a month (enough to afford a shack and one or two pygmy wives, on the condition they never return. Hell, add in wifi and I would do it in a heartbeat. maybe also discourage illegal returns with exploding brain implants. Should I run for President on this? I promise my grift from the Chinese would only be half of Biden’s.

King wasn’t on PCP.

I agree with the general thrust of Nicholas Stix’s characterization of the King incident, but I think you are correct about PCP. As I recall, the officers thought he was on PCP, because he shook off the Taser and was wildly difficult to subdue. He was apparently just intoxicated (was drunk-driving).

The fact that he supposedly got a Yugo with 3; 250lb. guys in it to go 115 mph made the official story sound ridiculous.

It might not accelerate quickly, but it’ll go 115 mph, with or without three men.

King himself admitted he fled at a high speed, because he wanted to avoid a drunk driving charge.

“Did the officers have a duty to subdue King?”

Of course they did. But in the manner that they did? Did he deserve it?

On a radio transmission, from the LAPD dispatcher to the fire department for an ambulance, a police dispatcher said, “….he pissed us off, so I guess he needs an ambulance now….should know better than run, they are going to pay a price when they do that….It’s a…it’s a ….battery, he got beat up.” One of the officers on the scene stated on the car radio, “Oops,” and “I haven’t beaten anyone this bad in a long time.

33 blows hitting King, plus seven kicks. Does not meet the criteria for excessive force in your estimation?

33 blows hitting King, plus seven kicks. Does not meet the criteria for excessive force in your estimation?

That’s akin to asking 33 pistol rounds and 7 rounds from a rifle, was that not excessive?

That depends. Was the suspect still fighting back after the 33 handgun rounds and 6 rounds from a rifle? If yes, the answer is, no, they were not excessive.

Police officers are taught to be guided by what is known as force continuum. In the case of King incident, the level of force required rose continually, because the suspect resisted furiously and refused to be restrained. King was lucky that he was merely beaten. If there weren’t so many officers to subdue him, he likely would have been shot and killed.

This is very different from what appears to be the case in Memphis, where the suspect was handcuffed and restrained already by some of the officers when other officers variously soccer-kicked or repeatedly punched the suspect in the head.

Look up “Constitution”, Old Sport, the look up “The Bill of Rights,” the maybe for giggles “Constitutional Amendments.”

They used to teach these things in elementary school; you fellers in the younger generation don’t seem to have heard of them.

I will say, you did do an excellent job of selecting a moniker.

With a fuel consumption of 7.5 litres/100km – 38 mpg UK – 31 mpg US (Average), 0 to 100 km/h (62mph) in 16.8 seconds, a maximum top speed of 90 mph (145 km/h), a curb weight of 1742 lbs (790 kgs), the Yugo 55A has a naturally-aspirated Inline 4 cylinder engine, Petrol motor, with the engine code 128 A0 64.

https://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-specs/Yugo/5466/Yugo-Yugo-55A.html

YugoCars had intended to fit their Yugo 45 with the 903-cc, 45-horsepower four-cylinder engine with a three-way catalytic converter and oxygen sensor for emissions control. Predicted gas mileage was 42 to 45 mpg at 70 mph. In late 1983, Zastava added a version called the Yugo 55, powered by a bigger engine used in the Fiat 101/128. IAI’s Tony Ciminera preferred using this larger, 1,100 cc engine making 55 horsepower, though it would drop fuel economy to the 30 MPG range, for it was faster and more able to keep up on North American freeways. Even so, with an 86 mph (138 km/h) top speed, it was the slowest car sold in the United States.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugo

So basically, you are telling me that an automobile with an engine smaller than many motorcycles, and a top speed of 86-90 mph (according to its own factory specs) could go 115mph with a payload approaching half the curb weight of the car? if nothing was in the trunk?

Twinx, I have to hand it to you, generally, you’ve found a way to throw off the shackles of your PegLeg education and have done pretty well for yourself. You and Roatan Bill, both.

Thanks for the feedback – any thoughts on how the “random bystander” just happened to partially video the incident in an era when personal camcorders weren’t too common or handy? I don’t know if that was ever brought up. After all, no video, then it is one scumbag’s word against four cops and this never becomes a post-trial riot.

“That’s akin to asking 33 pistol rounds and 7 rounds from a rifle, was that not excessive?”

No, my example deals with the use of a baton. You are focusing on the use of a gun. Not an apples to apples comparison.

“That depends. Was the suspect still fighting back after the 33 handgun rounds and 6 rounds from a rifle? If yes, the answer is, no, they were not excessive”

This isn’t Scarface. Can you point to a suspect who was remotely near that bullet count? So let’s be reasonable here. If a person was hit four to six times with bullets, and still came after the officers, I could see the cops having no recourse but to put 6 to 10 more rounds (total) into him. But each one emptying their clip? Adrenalin assuredly plays a role, but once a perp is clearly down, then I the order to cease fire is clearly made.

“the suspect resisted furiously and refused to be restrained.”

The video clearly showed King was in a position to he restrained after repeatedly waving his hands in the air.

It wasn’t a Yugo. It was a Hyundai.

As another commenter pointed out, it was not a Yugo. King drove a 1987 Hyundai Excel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

Early in the morning of Sunday, March 3, 1991, King, with his friends Bryant Allen and Freddie Helms, was driving a 1987 Hyundai Excel west on the Foothill Freeway (Interstate 210) in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. The three had spent the night watching basketball and drinking at a friend’s house in Los Angeles.[11] At 12:30 a.m., officers Tim and Melanie Singer, husband and wife members of the California Highway Patrol, noticed King’s car speeding on the freeway. They pursued King with lights and sirens, and the pursuit reached 117 mph (188 km/h), while King refused to pull over.[12][13] King later said he tried to outrun the police because a charge of driving under the influence would violate his parole for his previous robbery conviction.[14]

King left the freeway near the Hansen Dam Recreation Area and the pursuit continued through residential streets at speeds ranging from 55 to 80 miles per hour (90 to 130 km/h), and through at least one red light.[15][16][17] By this point, several police cars and a police helicopter had joined in the pursuit. After approximately 8 miles (13 km), officers cornered King in his car. The first five Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officers to arrive were Stacey Koon, Laurence Powell, Timothy Wind, Theodore Briseno and Rolando Solano.[18]

1987 Hyundai Excel had a 71 hp motor and a top speed of around 100mph on level ground. At least this was the factory configuration. It’s not impossible that King’s Excel had aftermarket performance parts such as a less restrictive exhaust that increased it a bit above the factory HP. It’s also not inconceivable that it could have done 117 mph on a downhill or maybe the cops were lying and he was “only” going 100 or 110 mph.

Quibbling over little details like this does not change the basic outline of the facts, which is that there was a high speed chase and after the cops caught up with him they proceeded to beat him up.

BTW, King is proof of the fact that while you can take the black out of the ghetto, you can’t take the ghetto out of the black.

King was awarded $3.8 million by a jury (he later married one of the jurors) and made even more from book and TV rights, but his subsequent life was filled with numerous further drunk driving incidents, domestic abuse and other scrapes with the law and with drug rehab. Finally he drowned in his own swimming pool at age 47 – all sorts of drugs and alcohol were found in his system.

Quibbling over little details like this does not change the basic outline of the facts

This. I got sucked into Truth’s trolling.

No, my example deals with the use of a baton. You are focusing on the use of a gun. Not an apples to apples comparison.

It’s called an analogy. We can talk batons. The number of baton strikes and kicks is not what’s salient. Two things are salient. Was the suspect under control and restrained and how was the use of force delivered to achieve the said control. As I recall, the police officers in that incident were mainly striking King in the legs, in order to get him to the ground. That’s why the biggest injury King suffered was a broken knee.

This isn’t Scarface. Can you point to a suspect who was remotely near that bullet count?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/why-police-shoot-so-many-rounds-trnd/index.html

once a perp is clearly down, then I the order to cease fire is clearly made.

Define “clearly down.” That’s not the standard. The standard for ceasing the use of lethal force is that the suspect no longer poses any threat.

The video clearly showed King was in a position to he restrained after repeatedly waving his hands in the air.

Waving his hands means nothing. He was ordered to the ground and continually refused to do so and continued to try to rise.

Again, the two situations – the King incident and the Memphis incident – are very different.

You’re right! 1987 Hyundai Excel, not 1987 Yugo. Thirty years goes fast. Hey, that little monster was BUILT for speed.

The second year Korea sold cars in America. Tat baby had a muscular 1.5 litre engine, and a top speed of 90! (empty of course).

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15140735/hyundai-excel-gl-archived-road-test/

The Official top speeds of these cars sound an awful lot like they’re tied to cheap tires put on them which I remember used to be a thing. There’s specific ratings just about the stated maximums; I wouldn’t expect the tires having been upgraded, but they won’t necessarily give out if pushed, perhaps briefly, above their maximums.

You’d get more traction, so to speak, by looking at the real maximums of their transmissions at max real engine outputs.

So let me see if I understand this; the manufacturer of a car, sets its engine performance lower than it really is?

A 1987 Hyundai GL has a 1.5L engine which is the same engine as a 1500cc Harley Davidson motorcycle.

Now the latter weighs about 650 lbs., the former roughly 2,100, additionally, there were 3 250lb. men in the car, which was poorly made, probably not well-maintained, and 4 years old.

How fast would you expect a car with an announced top speed of 90mph (probably during ideal conditions on a Korean or Japanese race course) to go?

I’m failing to get my points across. I’m primarily guessing the listed top speeds were based on putting cheap tires on these budget vehicles, something one or more American car makers did a while ago and got into trouble for. This is of course in the era of 55 mph max speed limits, no doubt that was an excuse.

Look at for example this speed code table, N’s is 87 mph, one more than the claimed 86 for a Yugo, and P at 94 mpg, allowing a nice even number four less providing more margin than the claimed Hyundai top of 90. Both providing a greater than one third margin over the legal top speed, and enough for passing someone going at 55 mph.

Since we’re not talking about acceleration, doesn’t the engine’s output only matter in terms of resistance to moving faster like from air drag (and that’s not counting going down hit)? And as I mentioned wherever the transmission coupled to it tops out? Per the first link Bing provided farm tractors top out at 850 horsepower which would make any muscle car proud, but stock ones are obviously not geared for per another search greater than 43.5 mph (the others, all but one of these made by the same company, at 37 mph).

Sir, I am not a mechanic or an engineer. My brother is a car junkie and an E.E. so he could probably have a more in-depth answer for you.

What I am (amongst other things) is a Public Relations expert, and from my years of experience, I cannot think of two many manufacturers that undersell their products.

Engineering is full of tradeoffs, a whole bunch of which include costs. From the marketing and sales viewpoint, a new 2nd World entrant like Yugo and or 3rd/developing world one like Hyundai have a very limited number of positive things they can sell in a mature market like the US. Also remember the Joe Isuzu meme, all these companies have … finite credibility, and new ones have to build that up.

So for an import brand like these two, or I’ve read the Japanese starting off, reliability was important because they didn’t have a big dealer network, fuel economy has also been on and off a big thing starting in the 1970s, and price is important if not paramount. Pretty sure the only thing going for the Yugo besides some novelty, but I haven’t followed Korean car makers at all. If you’re competing on price, a lot of other things are going to have to give, and top speed when it’s over one third the max legal is a very obvious one. Thus I’m postulating skimping on max tire speeds.

Never thought of that, and neither did anyone else, to my knowledge, before you.

They drove a pre-production version and the actual ’87 yielded 71 hp and a top speed of around 100 mph but that’s quibbling.

Let’s just say that King was driving fast. And drunk. Even after he became a rich man as a result of the beating he received, he STILL drove fast and drunk a lot and got into a lot of accidents and more trouble as a result. Maybe he was hoping that they would catch him and beat him up again ’cause he was gettin’ low on cash? Or maybe he was just an alcoholic with a taste for speed?

The Excel was a pretty good car for a first effort. A hell of a lot better than a Yugo. The basic design was sound. The engine was a license built Mitsubishi design similar to what Chrysler then sold as the Dodge Colt. It was a generation behind what the Japanese were selling – by 1987 a Honda Civic was a nicer, more modern car in comparison. But Honda wouldn’t sell you a Civic in 1987 for $4,995 MSRP but Hyundai would sell you an Excel. For $5k (just about the cheapest new car available) it was decent basic transportation.

Hyundai did experience some initial quality problems and was at risk of developing a reputation as an unreliable joke the way that Yugo had become. Hyundai had great long term ambitions for their brand (which have been more than realized) and did not want to see it go down in flames. Mr. Hyundai (actually his name was Mr. Chung – “Hyundai” means Modernity or Modern Times) announced that he was going to increase the warranty on Hyundai cars to 10 years/100,000 miles as a sign of confidence in his brand. At the time, other car brands carried warranties as short as 1 year. When he announced this, his heads of engineering and finance told him that based upon their current defect rate, a 10 year warranty would bankrupt the company. He told them that that was correct, so they had better fix it or else they would be out of a job. And they did.