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“As a Billionaire of Color, I will PROVE that I am not ‘white-adjacent’ by using my ownership of the Los Angeles Times to run even more stories about how awful white people are.” @DrPatSoonShiong, tomorrow.

“For an example of the quality of articles I intend to run in ever greater abundance, see below.”

 
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  1. guest007 says:

    I always thought that one of the issues with the financial survival of the LA Times is that latinos and Asians just do not read newspapers or really pay attention to local news very much. They all have electronic devices to keep in tough with what most of them refer to as “My Country” so why would then want to pay attention to local politics events, or culture?

  2. bgates says:

    As Brother Kendi instructs us, it is not enough to be non-white – one must be anti-white.

    • Agree: polistra, 36 ulster
    • LOL: Muggles, bomag
    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  3. usNthem says:

    South African – well now that’s interesting.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  4. 216 says:

    California is a one-party dictatorship where the Right is denied any and all forms of self-determination.

    • Replies: @guest007
  5. Does this mean there will be even more black people in the Calendar section?

  6. Anonymous[877] • Disclaimer says:

    White-adjacent Donald Trump went crazy on Fri with his $500B PLATINUM PLAN for Black America.

    A yuge avalanche of gimmedats from The Great White Father directly to the most important people in America.

    Plan includes making Juneteenth a national holiday, bigots.

    The Kushnerists are leading us to the promised land. Get on the Trump Train, racists. Or get left behind.

    (Don’t worry if you’re a hardcore nationalist you ARE welcome in the movement: Mr T has promised lots more giant gifts for Israel coming soon!)

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @El Dato
  7. He could become a revolutionary by mentioning race, ethnicity and immigration status in his articles as well as pictures.

    The stuff we can NEVER locate in the standard metropolitan rag. Maybe even get an independent radio & TV outlet and do the same thing. Yeah, the Cosmopolitans would condemn him for the universal insult of not being in compliance with the Soros-New-World-Order, but who cares?

  8. @DrPatSoonShiong

    DrPatSoonShiong = Rods his poontang.

    He’s from South Africa, his parents refugees from China. That would afford him a unique point of view.

    Then there’s this:

    In early January 2017, as announced by Sean Spicer, then President-elect Donald Trump met with Soon-Shiong at his Bedminster, NJ, estate to discuss national medical priorities. In May 2017, Dr. Soon-Shiong was appointed by House Speaker Paul Ryan to the Health Information Technology Advisory Committee, a committee established by the 21st Century Cures Act.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong#Career

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  9. Zoodles says:

    Intersectionality allows billionaire Han, Brahmins, Conquistadors and Jews to morally gerrymander themselves into the black underclass.

  10. syonredux says:

    BIPOC unity against YT, eh? Along those lines, this scene from the extremely trashy The Boys AMAZON series is of interest:

    Note how the show features crypto-Nazi Stormfront butchering both Blacks and East Asians.

    Stormfront’s Nazi credentials are underlined in a later ep where we learn that she was born in Berlin in 1919 and was the end-product of a Nazi Übermensch project:

    It’s all very much on the nose. Really, the only quasi-subtle point involves Stormfront’s appearance, as, instead of the Nordic Becky stereotype

    she looks like this:

  11. @Anonymous

    Plan includes making Juneteenth a national holiday, bigots.

    Who’s the racist now, libtards? This sounds like a tried and tested method of owning the libs, also known as Dems R Real Racists or DR3 for short. This is why the Right is winning, conservatism is the new counter-culture!

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  12. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s like being the Empire and you have a never-ending supply of Death Stars, so you can give some away to Palpatine’s tribe, one for the Jar Jars, one for the angry Sand Hutts, one for the C3P0R2D2BB8 lobby etc…

    Anyway,

    Review of Candace Owens’s book at RT by Guy Birchall:

    Candace Owens’ first book takes a sledgehammer to Democrats, BLM, abortionists & George Floyd – but will it achieve its goal?

    • Replies: @SFG
  13. guest007 says:
    @216

    California is a one party state due to demographic changes along with the stupidity of the Republicans. A Tea Party or Trumpist message just will not play. The other problem is that the top two primary massively favors incumbents.

  14. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    I occasionally glance at the LAT website. There are now usually a few stories near the top of the page, any time I look, about Black-this-or-that, they’ve really gone hook line and sinker for the wokity stuff. Are there really enough SJWs in Southern California to keep this, essentially a woke newsletter, financially viable?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alfa158
  15. Dr. Sat Poon Shlong:

    I met Michele when we were both teenagers in the Eastern Cape of South Africa, where my father had fled from China during World War II.

    Michele and I came to the United States in 1980 for the opportunities it promised and have made Los Angeles our home.

    we feel deeply rooted in this wonderful city

    Of course, he’s the actual definition of rootless.

    He should circumnavigate back to China before donnyblook kick off.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • LOL: polistra
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  16. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    Yes, I want to be dominated by that.

    was born in Berlin in 1919 and was the end-product of a Nazi Übermensch

    Something is slightly wrong. Did they fix her AFTER birth? Aren’t Nazis supposed to be misogynistic (now a hate crime in the UK btw)? Is she the fabled V3?

    From a first link from DuckDuckGo (TheWrap, whatever that is):

    In a departure from the comic book version, a man, Cash’s Stormfront is a woman born in Berlin in 1919 who was later injected with Compound V by her Nazi scientist husband Fredrick Vought, the founder of Vought. She has outlived both him and their daughter and continued to spread hate for years while disguising herself as just superheroes, first as Liberty and now as Stormfront, the newest member of The Supes of the Seven.

    “Sehr gut! Das Eiserne Kreuz ist Ihnen sicher.”

    “And that falls into line with really the point we’re making with her, which is she’s a very old evil wrapped up in really modern clothing,” Kripke [not ot be confused with the logician Saul Kripke] says. And I’m sad to report that’s happening quite a lot these days. I think it’s f—ing insane that I have to remind the audience, and make the slightly controversial point [HUH?] that Nazis are bad. [WUH?] But here we are in 2020 and I’m doing it! [WOW!] It was set up, there are clues throughout. Stan Edgar’s first speech to set up who Fredrick Vought was and where he came from, that was all part of laying the groundwork for this reveal in Episode 6.” [RAD]

    I hope Mengele makes a guest appearance and cackles evilly. Well it’s all very tasteless.

    From Tintin: An accident with Nazi “Doctor” Krollspell reveals the True Pompeo as Trump is tied to a chair nearby.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Dumbo
    , @SFG
  17. Did he come here for the hatred, the bigotry or the systemic racism?

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • LOL: black sea
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  18. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a fishing pond chock-full of South and East Asian billionaires looking to get into the Gilded-Age-chic, newspaper-baron game… It’s a very elite type of FOMO, like missing the chance to own a sports team during 1946-2019

  19. JerryC says:

    Billionaires of pallor aren’t really white-adjacent either.

  20. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Of course, he’s the actual definition of rootless.

    Wiki says his parents are ethnically Hakka (so he is as well). The Hakka (“Guest Families”) are often called the Gypsies of China, and were subject to discriminations and pogroms by other ethnic groups in China. They are migratory people and are prominent in the Chinese diaspora worldwide. So he actually comes from people who are rootless.

    Still, he is an impressive individual:

    Patrick Soon-Shiong (born July 29, 1952) is a South African-American transplant surgeon, billionaire businessman, bioscientist, and media proprietor. He is the inventor of the drug Abraxane, which became known for its efficacy against lung, breast, and pancreatic cancer.[1] Soon-Shiong is the founder of NantWorks, a network of healthcare, biotech, and artificial intelligence startups;[2] an adjunct professor of surgery and executive director of the Wireless Health Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles; and a visiting professor at Imperial College London and Dartmouth College.[3][4][5] Soon-Shiong has published more than 100 scientific papers and has more than 230 issued patents worldwide on advancements spanning numerous fields in technology and medicine.[5]

    I can’t say he is any worse than the likes of Jeff Bezos. He has contributed more to saving lives than billionaires such as Bezos ever has or will.

  21. syonredux says:
    @El Dato

    Aren’t Nazis supposed to be misogynistic (now a hate crime in the UK btw)?

    Anti-Nazi stereotypes change with the times. For example, people used to joke about Nazis being closet homos:

    But LGBTQs are now sacred, which means that Gay Nazis are actually good people. For example, Captain K in JoJo Rabbit:

    Nazis used to be bashed for being anti-women, but the Woke have now decided that White women are super-evil Beckys, which means that Nazi women are monsters….

    Incidentally, if hatred of Black women is “misogynoir,” what is hatred of White women? Misogyblanche?

  22. @syonredux

    the extremely trashy The Boys AMAZON series is of interest

    Yeah, I attempted to read the comic series.

    I don’t recommend it, it’s not good for anyone’s sanity.

    The comic version is basically a non-controlled, extended version of Garth Ennis’ run on The Punisher.

    Billy Butcher is the Punisher in cockney drag, and, “the Legend,” is obviously Stan Lee.

    The main Wee Hughie character, beyond being the author/audience stand-in, is the biggest beta simp on Earth.

  23. syonredux says:
    @Twinkie

    I can’t say he is any worse than the likes of Jeff Bezos.

    But he’s more annoying. Lots of Woke Folks dislike Bezos because he is a wealthy White man .Patrick Soon-Shiong, in contrast, revels in his BIPOC power (“As the LATIMES first nonwhite owners in its nearly 139-year history, “).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  24. polistra says:
    @guest007

    Vietnamese kid I knew in Michigan said “Why should I have to study American history in school? It’s not my history.”

    • Replies: @bomag
  25. @Twinkie

    Still, he is an impressive individual

    He has contributed more to saving lives than billionaires such as Bezos ever has or will.

    Soon-Shiong’s business and life-saving accomplishments are indeed quite impressive. But all that is for naught if the culture and politics he’s promoting leads to war.

    He lacks gratitude and street smarts.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Truth
  26. polistra says:
    @syonredux

    You say that the “woke” are doing these things, but it’s the people directing the woke who are aslo directing their entertainments. Not to mention producing.

  27. @guest007

    In Japan, surprising number of people still read paper newspapers…

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  28. @syonredux

    A major problem with antifa-themed propaganda is that it is very hard to parody Nazis without secretly making them look cool. By the 1930s, the Germans were so practiced in uniform design that the Wehrmacht and SS had just about the best-looking uniforms that will ever be made. If your taste runs more pre-modern, you could argue that earlier styles like Hussar uniforms are better-looking, but Hussars look totality out of place now, while the Wehrmacht would look very believable transported into a 2010s context.

    The imagery is so strong that even movies like Star Wars probably pre-dispose people to think more of Nazis than they deserve. In Star Wars, the opposing aesthetic, which is a kind of hippie naturist-Japanese mash-up, is affecting, but mostly because it was initially framed by Alec Guiness, who could have just as easily been one of the Imperial generals instead of a Jedi Knight. Imagine if the first Jedi you ever saw was played by Ben Stiller or Chris Farley–never would have become popular.

    I guess we are supposed to laugh at Captain K, but as a former child who attended Boy Scout camps, including National Jamborees, I find Captain K rather charismatic, and the presentation of Hitler Youth Camp rather nostalgic.

  29. anonymous[951] • Disclaimer says:

    He grew up in South Africa in the 50s through 70s so he counts as black adjacent.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Amerimutt Golems
  30. Mike1 says:

    On the day two sheriffs were shot in the head in LA County they ran about twenty stories above the shooting. There were roughly a dozen climate change stories ahead of cops taking bullets to the head.

    Lets not pretend there is anything impressive about this guy. He is a Chinese disinformation agent.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Truth
  31. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Soon-Shiong’s business and life-saving accomplishments are indeed quite impressive. But all that is for naught if the culture and politics he’s promoting leads to war.

    I agree.

    He lacks gratitude and street smarts.

    What he lacks is the courage to stand up to the Establishment.

    Then again, if he were to do so, how long would it take before he loses all his affiliations and titles and is forced to relinquish his businesses? The fact is, our enemies are very good at inflicting enormous pain on those who cross them, but we are absolutely awful at doing the same at those who treat us with contempt (many banks now treat gun-related businesses like pariahs, but where is the public outrage, boycotting, and divestment?). Is it any wonder that even “traditional” immigrants and newcomers side, even if nominally, with the Woke than with us?

  32. Twinkie says:
    @syonredux

    But he’s more annoying.

    Is he? I don’t know more than what I read on Wiki. Nonetheless, I have a feeling I won’t find him that annoying when I have cancer and end up using the drug he invented. Meanwhile, I get annoyed on a daily basis by the Washington Post that Bezos owns or when I have to call Amazon for customer service and have to listen to his call center Indians bullshit me for 20 minutes with zero resolution at the end (“Sir, I am sorry that the birthday gift you ordered for your sick mother did not arrive for 14 days. Would a $5 credit make you more satisfied with our services?”).

  33. Twinkie says:
    @anonymous

    He grew up in South Africa in the 50s through 70s so he counts as black adjacent.

    This is somewhat hilarious in retrospect, but the Japanese, the South Koreans, and the Taiwanese were declared officially “honorary whites” in RSA starting the 1960s, but the same privilege did not extend to the Chinese until the 1980s (and even then only with some complications).

    So indeed he – being Chinese – was not white-adjacent in RSA during the time he grew up there.

  34. Whiskey says: • Website

    As Angelo Codevilla states in his latest article the morality of the elite is this: every bad thing is the fault of Whites. Whites are inescapably evil and racist.

    Once you accept that logic/feelz, more feelz than logic, White genocide is the only solution. Right now it is the kindler, gentler Chinese versus German version. But genocide it is.

    We need to be realistic about our situation. Survival trumps everything. We have a duty to survive. To our ancestors. To our descendants.

  35. @Chrisnonymous

    … it is very hard to parody Nazis without secretly making them look cool. By the 1930s, the Germans were so practiced in uniform design that the Wehrmacht and SS had just about the best-looking uniforms that will ever be made.

    You are one with Tom of Finland:

    “In my drawings I have no political statements to make, no ideology. I am thinking only about the picture itself. The whole Nazi philosophy, the racism and all that, is hateful to me, but of course I drew them anyway—they had the sexiest uniforms!”

    https://jonasforth.com/2014/11/26/10-fabulously-curious-things-tom-finland-creator/

  36. @Louis Renault

    Agree. Immigrants whining about white people**–go home.

    America was built by white people. It’s founding and it’s freedom and prosperity are due to the genes and culture of white gentiles–specifically Anglo-Protestants. The very reason you showed up here is because my ancestors did a better job of building a nation than yours. Deal with it.

    If immigrants think white people or their culture suck … the door is over there.

    ~~

    ** Exception: immigrants wondering “What the hell is wrong with white people? Why do you put up with this nonsense?”–and i’m friends with a few in this camp–damn good question!

  37. @Twinkie

    “when I have cancer and end up using the drug he invented”

    The drug he “invented” was based 100 per cent on White Western science: given the pathways of Western medical knowledge, somebody was bound to invent it sooner or later. If it exists early enough to save your own life (although here’s hoping you never get cancer) then that’s a fine thing, but it doesn’t change the point.

    The man by his own statements is an ungrateful hostile tapeworm who has no business living among us.

    He says by his own admission that his father fled China during WWII. IOW, his father did not stand and fight for his homeland in its time of greatest peril. He fled to somebody else’s Homeland, and taught his son to profit from it, but also to secretly despise it, like an opportunistic vermin.

    What other destructive tapeworms does that remind you of?

  38. syonredux says:
    @Twinkie

    Is he?

    Yeah. YT-hating BIPOC elites are some of the most annoying people on Earth. Think of it, Patrick Soon-Shiong is a man of tremendous wealth and power, but he gets to pretend that he’s being oppressed by cis-het YT Christians working for minimum wage in Ohio…..

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  39. @guest007

    Are there Spanish-language newspapers published in California?

    • Replies: @guest007
  40. syonredux says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    I guess we are supposed to laugh at Captain K, but as a former child who attended Boy Scout camps, including National Jamborees, I find Captain K rather charismatic,

    As I noted upthread, Captain K is Gay, and Gayness=Goodness. Therefore, Captain K is the film’s sympathetic Nazi:

    A major problem with antifa-themed propaganda is that it is very hard to parody Nazis without secretly making them look cool.

    It’s too bad that antifa types can’t use the Mel Brooks gay Nazi bit anymore. That one was pretty effective.

  41. @Twinkie

    What he lacks is the courage to stand up to the Establishment.

    LOL. He is L.A. (and arguably national) Establishment, in terms of personal power. If a billionaire who owns a major metropolitan newspaper isn’t “establishment” I don’t know what is. Maybe he can’t get into LACC? Boo hoo.

    Then again, if he were to do so, how long would it take before he loses all his affiliations and titles and is forced to relinquish his businesses?

    If he puts personal glory over country, who cares? He best move to somewhere else on the planet. If he is now actually “rooted” as he claims, he would at least fight for “propositional” America. But to people like him, “rooted” seems to be more like (choking) tendrils of an invasive species. I give him credit for the good he’s done, but he’s undoing it through an unforced error of hostility towards Whites.

    Your painting of him, and by extension other immigrants, as poor dupes or hostages of the Establishment and/or the Woke is way off, and possibly self-serving—one of the main attractions for (non-White) immigration to the US (and other Western countries) is the known opportunity to take advantage of a historic (i.e. White) populace on its back foot because of a (temporary?) allergy to overt (and covert) racism.

    The above immigrants don’t care about Whites, or “America”, they care about their own enrichment, and when here, assuaging their wounded racial pride: They know they had to flee to White lands to improve their lives, and they resent the Whites who’ve outclassed them as a race. Despite your misplaced sympathy for the beleaguered billionaire, no one’s forcing Soon-Shiong to become a race warrior with a megaphone (unless you’re alleging he’s a victim of Eyes Wide Shut extortion). It’s his own choice, and he chose rather poorly.

    Back to street smarts: One thing about visible minorities (from the doctor billionaire down to the man on the street) talking racial smack while still being a numerical minority—we can see you. Anyone who looks ‘foreign’ who is a personal known unknown in a racially-tinged civil war will likely be in significant extra danger than a White who is on one side or another—“anti-racist” Whites can conceivably be turned back to race loyalty, but visible minorities, unless vouched for by their IRL community (as you are), can’t be trusted the same way by pro-Whites.

    Think of Jews in Germany before WWII—many were under the impression (or so accounts have said) that they were as German as actual Germans (because of cultural affinity, or centuries of life in German states, or delusional chutzpah). Some even thought it would be clever to agitate as communists and usurpers. They soon found out what actual Germans thought.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  42. @Chrisnonymous

    In Japan, surprising number of people still read paper newspapers…

    The nigh 7 million German-speaking Swiss still buy ca. one million printed papers every workday. Add to that the weeklies aand the sunday-papers – and the electronic copies of all of them.

  43. Anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I occasionally glance at the LAT website.

    The death of Jonathan Gold was the end of the LAT for me. His lowbrow ethnic “cuisine” eatery reviews were entertaining enough to justify futzing with the paywall. But as an old “white,” i.e. Jewish, writer he was probably getting close to a #metoo or colonizer/cultural appropriater cancellation anyway. He died just in time.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  44. Pericles says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Hugo Boss AG apparently produced the uniforms.

  45. @Reg Cæsar

    You are one with Tom of Finland

    Jeez Reg, how many “Tom of Finland” browser bookmarks ya got? Going by the (sometimes graphic) 22+ posts you’ve dropped, it seems he’s your favorite ‘artist’. Poor Reg: hates Nazism, but loves Tom of Finland—how to coyly signal both to a potentially mocking commentariat without getting busted?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @iDeplorable
  46. Dumbo says:
    @El Dato

    Tintin is the best, and that is one of the best books.

    I think that Rastapopoulos was given an obvious Greek name because his huge nose could be linked to some other famous ethnicity (young Hergé was accused of anti-semitism, and he might have been – The Mysterious Star has an American businessman (Jew?) as the main rival).

    He became a bit more politically correct and “multicultural” later, but not too much, and not interfering with the quality of the stories.

  47. @Chrisnonymous

    A major problem with antifa-themed propaganda is that it is very hard to parody Nazis without secretly making them look cool.

    The Stones for example saw that very early on. Including the professionality of Leni Riefenstahl.

    https://hipquotient.com/2013/08/18/heil-heil-rock-n-roll-whats-with-brit-rockers-and-the-reich/

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  48. The LA Times is a ghost of its former self.

  49. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He is L.A. (and arguably national) Establishment, in terms of personal power. If a billionaire who owns a major metropolitan newspaper isn’t “establishment” I don’t know what is.

    He is now, but he wasn’t always what he is now. I was thinking more in terms of how he came to be.

    Your painting of him, and by extension other immigrants, as poor dupes or hostages of the Establishment and/or the Woke is way off, and possibly self-serving

    Stop projecting and using straw men. And stop personalizing discussions (esp. of other people). You are making me remember why I stopped responding to you.

    I wasn’t suggesting that he or any immigrant was a dupe. What I have long maintained is that immigrants generally have a deep craving for acceptance by their host society. They (or their children) often want to be told and reassured “Hey, you are one of us now.” And who gets to tell them that these days (or really for the past several decades)? The elites who control the major institutions of the country, that’s who. So for most immigrants, it’s not even a choice. Do they try to assimilate into the ideological paradigm that those who dominate the society (and who can make or break them easily) built or do they join some quixotic alternative, dissident political blob (because it’s not even a coherent movement) composed of those who might not even want them here in the first place?

    One of the reasons I have become an immigration restrictionist is precisely because of this dynamic – immigrants are assimilating all right, but they are doing so into the construct built by my political and cultural opponents in this country. So in my view, any further immigration is simply enlarging the ranks of the other side.

    Despite your misplaced sympathy for the beleaguered billionaire

    I don’t know the man, let alone have any sympathies. Again, stop projecting your racialism. I was merely speculating on how a capable new arrival who builds a life here would weigh his interests and choices.

    no one’s forcing Soon-Shiong to become a race warrior with a megaphone

    Is that what he is? Or is he simply going along with the dominant elite ideology of the country?

    he chose rather poorly.

    It’s certainly not the choice I made or would make. But it’s rather amusing to read that a random nobody white supremacist on a fringe site thinks that a billionaire scientist-transplant doctor who invented a cancer drug made poor choices in life.

    One thing about visible minorities (from the doctor billionaire down to the man on the street) talking racial smack while still being a numerical minority—we can see you. Anyone who looks ‘foreign’ who is a personal known unknown in a racially-tinged civil war will likely be in significant extra danger than a White who is on one side or another—“anti-racist” Whites can conceivably be turned back to race loyalty, but visible minorities, unless vouched for by their IRL community (as you are), can’t be trusted the same way by pro-Whites.

    Now you are just fantasizing.

    And who’s this “we” here? You in your mom’s basement and few other guys on Unz? Are you imagining yourself as some Black Hand-type assassins who are going to wreak vengeance upon uppity nonwhites and make leftist whites grovel for your mercy in some sort of a race war? “Race loyalty”? My gosh, you sound like a cartoon Neo-Nazi like Richard Spencer.

    Think of Jews in Germany before WWII

    Yeah, you’d like that, wouldn’t you? While you masturbate to neo-Holocaust fantasies, I think I’ll go back to conversing with serious people. Bye.

  50. Doctor Patrick Soon-Shiong = Ah, so! Doctor not riking cops!

  51. Voltarde says:
    @syonredux

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm

    Ernst Julius Günther Röhm (German: [ˈɛɐ̯nst ˈʁøːm]; 28 November 1887 – 1 July 1934) was a German military officer and an early member of the Nazi Party. As one of the members of its predecessor, the German Workers’ Party, he was a close friend and early ally of Adolf Hitler and a co-founder of the Sturmabteilung (SA, “Storm Battalion”), the Nazi Party’s militia, and later was its commander. By 1934, the German Army feared the SA’s influence and Hitler had come to see Röhm as a potential rival, so he was executed during the Night of the Long Knives.

    Under Röhm, the SA often took the side of workers in strikes and other labor disputes, attacking strikebreakers and supporting picket lines. SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of rival parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines. In June 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, began attacking Röhm and the SA regarding homosexuality in its ranks and then in March 1932, the paper obtained and published some private letters of his that left no doubt about his homosexuality; these letters were confiscated by the Berlin police back in 1931 and subsequently passed along to the journalist Helmuth Klotz.

    Hitler was aware of Röhm’s homosexuality. Their friendship shows in that Röhm remained one of the few intimates allowed to use the familiar German du (the German familiar form of “you”) when conversing with Hitler. In turn, Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name “Adolf” or his nickname “Adi” rather than “mein Führer”. Their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  52. Mike Tre says:

    That photo makes it look like he’s a homosexual.

    • Replies: @black sea
  53. @Reg Cæsar

    As far as that commercial style goes, I prefer Frank Frazetta and Boris Vallejo

  54. @syonredux

    I saw the movie 1900 when I was quite young. I don’t remember it well except for a scene where the blackshirt Donald Sutherland grotesquely kills a child. That was much more effective anti-fascist propaganda. However, I have always wondered how true to life it was. That kind of incident seems much more likely to be found on Unz’s SBPDL blog than in a history book about fascists.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @syonredux
  55. @syonredux

    Also, Captain K doesn’t activate my gaydar despite being a supposedly gay character. I suspect it is hard for straight actors to play gays effectively. Anyway, Captain K seems more cartoonish than gay to me.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @syonredux
  56. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Few artists speak to our time like Tom did. It’s not my fault that so many comments bring him to mind, particularly those about the NSDAP, whose soul Tom caught perfectly on paper. They were essentially a homoerotic biker gang. Triumph of the Will was as camp as camp gets.

    Why are you keeping track?

  57. SFG says:
    @syonredux

    The actress, amusingly, is Jewish. I kept waiting for her to be revealed as a turncoat Stephen Miller type, but that’s too subtle for these people. Nah, she was the product of Nazi medical experimentation. She really doesn’t look Aryan enough for *that*.

    The show is pretty woke, and enlightening if viewed with a critical eye. Apart from the Hughie character (a self-insertion/fantasy character presumably showing white males should be snivelling cowards willing to be bailed out by their girlfriend and they will be rewarded with an attractive woman way above their league…forget how much cuter she is, she’s a literal superhero), a lot of the show is about Starlight’s (the cute white woman protagonist) journey to self-empowerment, and she #metoos a guy who tries to get her to…pleasure him to be let on the superhero team. Also reassures white women…see, you CAN be a good ally!

    From the redpill point of view, the whole bit where Stormfront falls for Homelander rang true…if you’re a superpowered woman, who’s strong enough for you? Right, a superpowered man.

  58. SFG says:
    @Twinkie

    One of the reasons I have become an immigration restrictionist is precisely because of this dynamic – immigrants are assimilating all right, but they are doing so into the construct built by my political and cultural opponents in this country. So in my view, any further immigration is simply enlarging the ranks of the other side.

    There was a great article on American Mind (which I can’t find now) that argues exactly this, and I thought it was a good point. Immigrants are assimilating–into the SJW culture. Works pretty well–you can get people from around the world to hate white men, except Europeans, and they’re not coming here anyway.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Nico
  59. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    Isn’t that what real-world empires do to keep their subject peoples happy?

    Sure there’s the legions if they get out of hand, but all stick and no carrot means you’re constantly quelling revolts.

  60. Tetra says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    This is the closest Farley ever got to doing Star Wars

  61. @Reg Cæsar

    It so happens that I know a number of visual-arts geniuses — I am talking about people whose work is so well-known (though their names are not) that they live rent-free in the minds of almost everyone here; and they all admire the work of Tom of Finland. Only one of them is gay, and none of them are fetishists or Nazi larpers, far from it. They all express an admiration for the clarity, honesty, and expressiveness of Tom of Finland. None of them are erotically turned on by it, they just recognize a master craftsman when they see one. I have some funny stories about other friends who are NOT visual artists, coming into the home of a happily married family man who has got Tom of Finland collections on his bookshelves, for professional reasons. Zaniness ensues.

  62. William Randolph Hearst: “You furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the war.”

    Pat Soon-Shiong: “You furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the racism.”

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  63. guest007 says:
    @Henry's Cat

    I believe the LA Times has tried various versions of a Spanish language newspaper/website. The problem is that the literacy of many of the Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in LA is not very good and they have little interest in politics, culture, or events.

  64. @Twinkie

    You began what had the makings of an interesting discussion about some rather important issues which need to be discussed from numerous angles. Then you unfortunately devolved it into rather banal personal attacks.

    But I do think your line of reasoning is noteworthy, and has the makings of a genuinely serious discussion of an issue which personally I wish did not exist, but nevertheless does. Do you think you could start again with a slightly different opening gambit, and get this ball rolling again?

    There’s a lot of bitterness on various sides, but it’s important that there be a conversation about it that is not adversarial.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  65. Truth says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But all that is for naught if the culture and politics he’s promoting leads to war.

    He lacks gratitude and street smarts.

    No, I would argue that that means that he has street smarts, and expressed plenty of gratitude to the right people.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  66. Truth says:
    @Mike1

    On the day two sheriffs were shot in the head in LA County they ran about twenty stories above the shooting. There were roughly a dozen climate change stories ahead of cops taking bullets to the head.

    Both are/were hoaxes; but which would ultimately claim more deaths?

  67. Alfa158 says:
    @Anon

    Newspapers are subsidized as political tools by billionaire leftists. No one expects them to make money. The LAT has offered $1 a week subscriptions to keep as many eyeballs as possible reading the propaganda.

    • Agree: Muggles
  68. black sea says:
    @Mike Tre

    “Monty, you terrible c**t!”

  69. @anonymous

    He grew up in South Africa in the 50s through 70s so he counts as black adjacent.

    South Africans, like Brits, didn’t do the one drop rule. They classified people as white, Indian, colored (mestizo types) and African.

    As an East Asian he was ‘white’ and ranked above Indians and the rest.

    I don’t think this guy is really woke. Chinese do all sorts of things to advance business interests. Search for Jean Ping, a ‘Gabonese’ politician. His father was a laborer who married the daughter of a local African chief.

  70. AndrewR says:
    @Voltarde

    If you addressed him as “du” why wouldn’t you you address him by his first name?

  71. syonredux says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    There’s a scene in JoJo Rabbit where the evil Hitler Youth kids try to make JoJo kill an adorable rabbit with his bare hands.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  72. @syonredux

    Watched this movie and enjoyed it. Even normally annoying Scarlett Johansson did a good job. The sympathetic Nazi did not seem gay whatsoever. I took the flamboyant uniform he was wearing at the end to be a throwback to what the German army wore in WWI, the “better times” for his character.

  73. AndrewR says:
    @syonredux

    The Nazis were strongly opposed to animal cruelty. Why is Jewish propaganda so absurd?

  74. syonredux says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Also, Captain K doesn’t activate my gaydar despite being a supposedly gay character.

    You need to work on your gaydar. Captain K and Finkel (K’s subordinate….heh) are clearly lovers. At one point in the film they almost kiss in public. And then there’s the Liberace-esque uniform that Captain K designs for himself, which actually incorporates pink triangles:

    Back in the ’60s, K’s Gayness would have made him the film’s main villain, but, since Gays have been sacralized, K’s Gayness means that he is the film’s sympathetic Nazi. Besides saving JoJo from the Soviets, he also saves the Jewish girl that JoJo is hiding.

  75. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m with Bernie on this, no society should have billionaires. No one can get that rich without exploiting the system, either via crony capitalism/fraud on Wall Street or monopoly power which they bribed Congress critters to keep. The billionaires in this country have done more to destroy it than help it thrive.

    Back in the 1950’s, the highest income tax rate was 90%. It’s time go back to that: Impose a 90% tax on all fortunes above $1B, and a 50% tax on all fortunes between $100m and $1B, with their wealth assessed annually.

    Eat the rich!

    • Replies: @Anon
  76. syonredux says:
    @SFG

    The actress, amusingly, is Jewish. I kept waiting for her to be revealed as a turncoat Stephen Miller type, but that’s too subtle for these people..

    Agreed. That would have been really interesting, but being interesting is problematic. Can you imagine Amazon greenlighting a series that features a White supremacist Jewish character who slaughters Blacks?

    Nah, she was the product of Nazi medical experimentation. She really doesn’t look Aryan enough for *that*.

    As I noted upthread, that’s one of the few things that I liked about the character. Instead of a Nordic Uberwoman:

    Stormfront looks like this:

  77. OFWHAP says:
    @SFG

    Apart from the Hughie character (a self-insertion/fantasy character presumably showing white males should be snivelling cowards willing to be bailed out by their girlfriend and they will be rewarded with an attractive woman way above their league…forget how much cuter she is, she’s a literal superhero),

    The actor who portrays Hughie is Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan’s son!

    From the redpill point of view, the whole bit where Stormfront falls for Homelander rang true…if you’re a superpowered woman, who’s strong enough for you? Right, a superpowered

    I feel as if Stormfront has an ulterior motive with respect to her romance with Homelander. She could tell that he was getting jealous of her quick rise to stardom and had to placate him.

  78. JimDandy says:
    @syonredux

    Aya Cash is a connected California Jew, so she got the job over thousands of much more qualified blonde haired blue eyed Teutonic-looking actresses. What else is new? In Hollywood, a shiksa can’t even get cast as a Crypto-Nazi anymore.

    • Replies: @SFG
  79. @SFG

    “The actress, amusingly, is Jewish.”

    Obviously Jewish is more like it. She even has a slight New York Jew accent. That was bold casting.

  80. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, from the other day on an L.A. freeway, this plays a little scene from a Terminator movie.

    Conclusion: Fentanyl is a hell of a drug. Don’t make the white dudes angry.

  81. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I’m with Bernie on this, no society should have billionaires.

    This is not something you want to go out on a limb on. There are going to be billionaires, and it’s best that most of them are in the U.S., rather than scattered around the world in countries not under our control. A lot of billionaires have gotten there by exhibiting real talent. I mean Bezos started an online bookstore. And then all of a sudden he’s supplying the back-end infrastructure for most of the internet. You blink with this guy and yikes. I think the determination and skill to wrangle a workforce to accomplish stuff like that, and by the way to keep the SJWs in check, is very far, far right tail And as a hobby he has a rocket company.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  82. syonredux says:
    @S. Anonyia

    The sympathetic Nazi did not seem gay whatsoever.

    Were you in the bathroom during the scene where Captain K and Finkel stare lovingly into each other’s eyes and almost kiss?

  83. Tipsy says:

    I loosely translated the Indian Caste System to reflect the classes in America:

    1 Brahmin: Intellectual and Cultural Elites
    2 Kshatriya: Bureaucrats and State Supported Functionaries
    3 Vaishya: Private Sector Businessmen and Skilled Tradesmen
    4 Shudra: Unskilled and Semi-skilled Workers
    5 Dalit: Welfare and Criminal Classes

    Much of our current political rhetoric seems to be explained by class 1 trying to convince:

    * class 2 that they are an important and integral part of class 1,
    * class 5 that they are really, truly fighting on their side,
    * class 4 not to join political forces with class 3, and
    * class 3 to just shut up and obey their intellectual and moral superiors.

    The biggest problem for the intellectual and cultural elites arises when everyone they’re trying to convince realize they’ve been deceived.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    , @SFG
  84. Dutch Boy says:

    He also owns the San Diego Union-Tribune which is now a PC rag. Curiously, the management of the UT is not all that diverse (yet).
    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/union-tribune-leadership-2020

  85. Nico says:
    @SFG

    Immigrants are assimilating–into the SJW culture.

    The good news is that if immigration itself can be halted the newly-SJW blacks, browns and yellows will turn on patriarchal culture and contraceive themselves out of existence. See Israel for a template: for a long time the Arabs were outbreeding the Jews, but by last year the yuppie socialist Reform/Conservative/secular Jews had so thinned out their ranks that the remaining more traditional if not Orthodox Jews actually had a higher TFR than the Arabs’.

  86. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jeez Reg, how many “Tom of Finland” browser bookmarks ya got? Going by the (sometimes graphic) 22+ posts you’ve dropped,

    Cut him a break. How is Reg supposed to get to over 5,000 posts so far in 2020 (almost 20/day) without repeating himself? It’s not like the codger has anything to add, so coming with 19+ off-topic, worthless posts sometimes is going to involve going back to the same well.

  87. @Zoodles

    Yes–what most people seem to miss from the new wokeness is that there are an awful lot of privileged people getting even more privileged by their ability to play race and gender gymnastics.

    And at the same time, the whites at the top of the pyramid are not in the least bit threatened. I’ll start buying that BLM is a true agent for change when they successfully begin to harass Jack Dorsey or Jeff Bezos at their mansions.

  88. @Anonymous

    The death of Jonathan Gold was the end of the LAT for me.

    I love to see the subscription numbers in the months after he died, just to see the effect.

  89. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I recognize his skill but can’t appreciate it. Men make me vomit.

    • Replies: @Truth
  90. vinteuil says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It figures that you just so happen to…

    …know a number of visual-arts geniuses…

    …who…

    …all express an admiration for the clarity, honesty, and expressiveness of Tom of Finland.

    Dude: get a grip.

  91. @S. Anonyia

    “Watched this movie [JoJo Rabbit] and enjoyed it.”

    You have no taste – this movie sucked on every level. Even the (((Academy))) bestowed it no awards and it was by far the jewiest movie of 2019. Even (((they))) know it is trash.

  92. vinteuil says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I mean, c’mon, my surprising friend:

    Clarity? OK, I’ll grant you that. The ridiculously huge male members are very clear indeed.

    Honesty? Like the average male member is about a foot long?

    Expressiveness? Wha-huh?

    Dude. Tom of Finland was, like Andy Warhol, a wholly commercial nonentity.

  93. bomag says:
    @polistra

    I hope he said it in Vietnamese and had it repeated by a taxpayer funded translator.

    It’s who we are.

  94. @Twinkie

    He is [establishment] now, but he wasn’t always what he is now.

    Right, but we’re talking about his actions in the here and now.

    I don’t know the man, let alone have any sympathies. Again, stop projecting your racialism.

    Twinkie, all your histrionic wailing doesn’t hide your transparent sympathy for this foreign opportunist—the Asian billionaire is a racialist, but to you the guy gets a mulligan because of your personal (rah rah Yankee Doodle) assertion that he has a “deep craving for acceptance by [his] host society”. For someone who taught military history, and has been around the world, you sound naive as fuck. Or, really trying to put over some rhetorical bullshit.

    I wrote:

    no one’s forcing Soon-Shiong to become a race warrior with a megaphone

    You asked:

    Is that what he is? …

    Yes, of course. Steve helpfully provided a link to Soon-Shiong’s own words.

    … Or is he simply going along with the dominant elite ideology of the country?

    Hand-waving false dichotomy. He’s doing both.

    What do your lying eyes tell you? Your alleged submissive, butt-sniffing, approval-craving, hive-minded Asian billionaire (with no personal agency at all, apparently) literally calls for a “reckoning on race” in the major newspaper he owns and you’re hopping mad that I’m a “racialist” ? Hahahahaha. Bruh, you are being ridiculous.

    I take Soon-Shiong at his word, why don’t you? I’m simply pointing out that if he calls for a racial reckoning, he may get one.

    • Disagree: Twinkie
    • LOL: AndrewR
  95. @Truth

    No, I would argue that that means that he has street smarts

    Time will tell. The trend over recent decades indicates wandering Soon-Shiongs might be cursed to move along. Dr. Pat— Park Too Soon? Bang Ding Ow.

  96. @Reg Cæsar

    Why are you keeping track?

    Reg, it’s hard for a regular iSteve reader to avoid seeing you make yet another monthly Tom of Finland reference.

    Few artists speak to our time like Tom did.

    Sure, sure. What’s on your hard drive? TMI, that’s what.

    so many comments bring him to mind …

    Yes, particularly to one enthusiast named Reg Cæsar.

    … particularly those about the NSDAP

    Chrisnonymous specifically referenced the uniforms of “the Wehrmacht and SS” while you and ToF fantasize(d) about “homoerotic biker gangs”. But film of the Wehrmacht in action on the Eastern Front, or SS troops in formation at Nuremberg is erotic to you? oooookay …

    Triumph of the Will was as camp as camp gets.

    You’re confusing Triumph with Olympia. Next you’ll try to convince us the movie Gladiator was camp. Or the movie Heat (wink wink). Major URST between DeNiro and Pacino, amirite?

    Almost every man and woman, gay or straight, Jew or Gentile, agrees that Nazi/Wehrmacht uniforms were easily the best martial uniforms of the WWII era, and as Chrisnonymous suggests, on into the present… of course, we’re not talking just uniforms here, but overall Nazi aesthetics—that’s what’s bothering you, because it can’t be dismissed as “camp”, unless you’re making a silly pun about the Shoah.

    This subject has come up before. Me, in 2018:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/bernardo-bertolucci-rip/#comment-2642654

    I used the word aesthetics, not style.

    Aesthetics has broader implications, as per my answer to Jack’s comment.

    Nazi “style” borrowed partially from the Roman Empire, as did that of Italian Fascism (especially for grand theatrical backdrops), but as to the Nazi look lacking in style—and I don’t mean just superficial style, but as a galvanizing visual ideation of a martial volk—Shirley you can’t be serious…

    I then linked, by example, to a rousing (not arousing, sorry) video compilation of WWII-era parade and battle footage (now nixed by YouTube, whaddya whaddya).

    Even Jack D and Twinkie agree with me on this. From past threads:

    Jack D:

    Hitler (and most of the top Nazis) personally was not a very stylish figure but he (and Speer and Riefenstahl) knew how to put on a spectacle. And Hugo Boss’s black SS uniforms were top notch – they are still terrifying 80 years later.

    Twinkie:

    For me Wes Anderson + Ralph Fiennes* was a win.

    *Is it wrong that when I saw him as Amon Goeth in “Schindler’s List,” I said out loudly, “Enough about the huckster do-gooder who saves Jews. Can we see more about that other guy?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrYDoc0glXU

    Note: Twinkie supplied the ‘romantic’ video tribute to Amon Goeth, not me. I’m not sure if Twinkie is stanning Goeth’s look(s), or actions, or both. Holy fuck Reg, maybe you have a point …

    But either way, Reg, we get it:

    You are an incorrigible, philistine lover of gay “biker” erotica. NTTAWWT. 🙂

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Reg Cæsar
  97. @guest007

    People’s Daily has a print circulation of 2.5 million and 80 million online subscriptions, but OK.

    If it’s Asians and Mexicans not reading the Soros-owned Boomer Broadsheets, then all the better. Less Zion propaganda shoved down their funnel.

    Anecdotally, I know of one Spanish-language newspaper in Florida that vigorously covers Qanon-adjacent pedophilia/anti-vax material and stays relatively clear of the hasbara. I will not put it here because the JIDF has rather vigorously descended on UR over the past year to do tactical recon.

    • Troll: guest007
  98. Twinkie says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I agree wholeheartedly that the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS uniforms were easily the best-looking ones of World War 2. However, for sheer functionality (and decent appearance), Vietnam War-era tiger stripes are the best.

    As for all this “homoerotic” stuff, that’s usually in the minds of those who have such thoughts. I just thought that Ralph Fiennes was far more intense and fascinating actor than Liam Neeson in Schindler’s List so much so that I found the character portrayed by the former more fascinating than that by the latter. In any case, I find the whole “out-Jewing the Jew“ narrative less than heroic.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  99. @Chrisnonymous

    …because it was initially framed by Alec Guiness, who could have just as easily been one of the Imperial generals instead of a Jedi Knight. Imagine if the first Jedi you ever saw was played by Ben Stiller or Chris Farley–never would have become popular.

    Supposedly, Guiness hated the role of Obi-Wan and thought it was one of his worst, if not the worst of his performances.

    I figure the guy was such a great actor he was able to use his personal disinterest to fuel Guiness’ too cool for school portrayal of Obi-Wan versus Hamil’s portrayal of Luke’s growth from boy to man and the laconic cynicism Ford lent to Han Solo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. Truth says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Men make me vomit.

    I beg to differ, Old Sport.

  101. @vinteuil

    Shorter vinteuil:

    Hello, I am not a practitioner of serious art, and know nothing about its processes or what its requirements are.

    But I have lots of opinions!

    Famous bit of sarcastic graffiti in the men’s room in the basement of the Loeb Drama Center at Harvard…

    “I don’t really know what I like. But I know a lot about Art.”

    Another bit in the toilet stalls…

    “It’s just like Sister Ray said.”

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  102. @Anon

    I mean Bezos started an online bookstore. And then all of a sudden he’s supplying the back-end infrastructure for most of the internet. You blink with this guy and yikes.

    Someone was going to have the intelligence, guts, vision/imagination, and drive to pull this off.

    In my own life, a guy I started with at my current firm had a lot more guts and imagination than I did.

    Thus, he just sold the company he created in 2008-09 for $225 million while I am merely comfortable in life.

  103. @vinteuil

    “Honesty? Like the average male member is about a foot long?”

    No, chuckles, honesty as in that is what some people fantasize about, and many of them can’t or won’t say it for themselves. It’s not my job to direct traffic in these particularities. In my preferred world, “Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail” would not be translated as “The Abduction from the Seraglio”, it would be translated as “The Rescue from the Muslim Sex-Slavery Rape Camp.” Maybe Dyanne Thorne could have a role somewhere.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  104. SFG says:
    @JimDandy

    Oh, connections had something to do with it, but I also suspect they wanted someone who wouldn’t become a heroine to real alt-righters.

    Or maybe the potential *actress* didn’t want to deal with having Nazi fans. Weird fans are a well-known problem in scifi, and the far right is full of angry dispossessed young men. One might very well get the wrong idea.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @syonredux
  105. SFG says:
    @Tipsy

    I think Moldbug said something similar a while ago, though he mixed Roman classes in there too. Say what you will about the guy he respects the Western tradition…

  106. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Reg, it’s hard for a regular iSteve reader to avoid seeing you make yet another monthly Tom of Finland reference.

    22 in seven years is “seasonal”, not “monthly”. Tom was emblematic of Anthony Kennedy’s America. A country that long before had gone the way of New York Jews with Epperson and Griswold, as if the states of Arkansas and Connecticut had done something wrong.

    And does anyone other than David Irving think Hitler was straight? Goebbels was, but profligate. He murdered his six kids before taking his own life. Eugenics at work!

  107. @Reg Cæsar

    I feel I’m in a Greyhound station in Spokane, pushed out to the cold garage to wait. “The bus to Coeur d’Alene, Kellogg, Wallace, and Missoula will be boarding in just a few minutes….

  108. @Twinkie

    Is it any wonder that even “traditional” immigrants and newcomers side, even if nominally, with the Woke than with us?

    If they were gun culture, they would side with us. Few of them are.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Twinkie
  109. @Harry Baldwin

    Joe Biden: “You furnish the interview, I’ll furnish the….move it up here.”

  110. Tusk says:
    @syonredux

    They could have kept Stormfront as what he was in the comics: a white male.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  111. ATBOTL says:
    @reiner Tor

    We on the dissident right need to do more to highlight the insanity of “Democrats are the real racists” type rhetoric. That kind of thinking makes it impossible for white conservatives to embrace even implicitly pro-white policies. I wish Steve would spend more time analyzing conservative DR3 rhetoric and less time going over the same old left wing stuff again and again.

    The dissident right made its greatest gains when we attacked mainstream conservatives. After Trump was elected, we stopped and progress has completely stalled.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @SFG
  112. SFG says:
    @ATBOTL

    Thing is, the country is socially conservative (sick of woke meddling in their lives and not anti-white, even most Hispanics) and economically liberal (wants government programs to protect manufacturing and give healthcare). Remember when Bernie Sanders got everyone clapping for Medicare–on Fox?

    You can gain points attacking the elite GOP that sells out manufacturing to Chinese business interests and starts neocon wars people don’t want (a much bigger problem for most people than the existence of Israel), but given the lack of populist-righties with any intellectual chops to run the Associate Undersecretary of Internal Affairs jobs that actually do most of the bureaucratic work, you can’t get anything actually done. Trump was also a lot less interested in immigration restriction than enriching himself but hey, maybe Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley will do a better job.

    The elites want economic conservatism so they can keep their hoards and social liberalism so they can mess around. The people want the opposite. Guess who gets what they want?

  113. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    Yes, I want to be dominated by that.

    I prefer to do the dominating, but with a literal superheroine that would be kind of hard.

  114. JimDandy says:
    @SFG

    So, a Taylor Swift type was offered the role, but she rejected it because she didn’t want to have to deal with the massive army of angry, dispossessed young far right white weirdo men which only exists in an alternate universe called the NPR-Poverty-Law-Anti-Defamation-Sphere? So they gave the role to Eugene Chirsch’s kid instead? Oy! What a tangled web!

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @SFG
  115. syonredux says:
    @Tusk

    They could have kept Stormfront as what he was in the comics: a white male.

    Hating racist White men is old and tired; hating racist White women is the new hotness.

  116. syonredux says:
    @SFG

    I think that there was also a desire to avoid the hoary blonde Nordic Nazi babe cliche:

  117. vinteuil says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Shorter vinteuil

    No doubt, someday, you will figure out the difference between “shorter” and “longer.”

  118. vinteuil says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Wow, GTD you get me so hot when you call me chuckles.

    honesty as in that is what some people fantasize about, and many of them can’t or won’t say it for themselves.

    So honesty is what some people fantasize about? but can’t or won’t say for themselves?

  119. @syonredux

    JoJo Rabbit is a funny movie worth watching.

  120. @Chrisnonymous

    The helmets worn by US troops bear a remarkable resemblance to the helmets worn by the Wehrmacht.

  121. anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neil Templeton

    If they were gun culture, they would side with us. Few of them are.

    A friend of mine who escaped from Kali-for-nya over 10 years ago had a pretty good story from the late 80’s – early 90’s about meeting a fellow deer hunter a couple of miles out from a trailhead in the Sierras. An area where he hunted because he rarely met anyone. The fellow hunter had a beat up old Nagant rifle with a fabric sling – not Russian or Soviet but a Chinese copy.

    Said fellow hunter was an older Hmong man. Rare avis.

  122. Twinkie says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    There’s a lot of bitterness on various sides, but it’s important that there be a conversation about it that is not adversarial.

    Look, I can have a civil discussion with those who advocate for pro-white policies. Heck, I advocate for pro-white policies in many ways (particularly because I think downscale whites get screwed often these days and almost no one is sympathetic to their plight).

    But it’s exceedingly difficult not to be “adversarial” against someone who harbors neo-Holocaust fantasies against “visible minorities.” I am not going to be warm and fuzzy toward someone who dreams of the Day of the Rope (what I should do, however, is to ignore such clowns – lesson learned).

    But I do think your line of reasoning is noteworthy, and has the makings of a genuinely serious discussion of an issue which personally I wish did not exist

    1. You and me both on “an issue which personally I wish did not exist” – I really wish that the older, conservative assimilative dynamic was at work with immigrants, which of course is generally incompatible with mass immigration.

    2. If you do indeed think that my line of reasoning is noteworthy, I’d appreciate you elaborating on those and carrying forth the conversation forward and ignoring adversarial banter, which is not directed to you.

  123. Twinkie says:
    @Neil Templeton

    If they were gun culture, they would side with us. Few of them are.

    I know what you meant (I think), but we really don’t need more Pashtuns, Chechens, and Montagnards.

    In fact, we don’t need any immigrants for a long while, period. Even white immigrants (including those from South Africa!) tend to support the Democrats. Nobody wants to come to a new country and instantly become “racists” and class enemies of the Woketariat.

    Long term, the only viable solution I see is to halt mass immigration and for American rightists to become much more fertile and inculcate their children properly. Otherwise, we are going to have to separate, either peacefully or destructively.

  124. SFG says:
    @JimDandy

    You have a good point–never underestimate the role of nepotism. Particularly in Hollywood. (The parentheses are kind of redundant there.)

    Still, they could have easily gotten someone who actually looked like someone the Nazis would have wanted to give superpowers to. (ScarJo’s getting on in years, but that general idea.)

    And 4chan is real, if not as powerful as the MSM likes to believe. I could definitely see actresses being wary.

  125. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Guinness was fine with the role of Obi Wan. At least at first. He wouldn’t have taken it otherwise. His antagonism to it came later.

    The problem is that he (like everybody else) thought this was just going to be a small forgettable movie that nobody would pay much attention to. It would run for a couple of years then disappear.

    When it turned into this huge, huge blockbuster he realized – to his alarm – that although he had been making movies all his life, this was the role history would remember him for. He was right too. Nobody remembers his other stuff anymore, just Star Wars.

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