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From the Gates Foundation:

Bill Gates
Council of the Great City Schools
Cleveland, Ohio
October 19, 2017

… Today, I’d like to share what we have learned over the last 17 years and how those insights will change what we focus on over the next five years.

But first, I’d like to say a few words about the state of public education in the U.S. By and large, schools are still falling short on the key metrics of a quality education – math scores, English scores, international comparisons, and college completion.

While much has rightly been made of the OECD data that shows lagging performance of American students overall, the national averages mask a bigger story.

When disaggregated by race, we see two Americas.

Well, that’s what I’ve been saying about PISA and TIMSS scores for many years. Except …

One where white students perform along the lines of the best in the world—with achievement comparable to countries like Finland and Korea. And another America, where Black and Latino students perform comparably to the students in the lowest performing OECD countries, such as Chile and Greece.

Are there any other races of students in America than whites, Black, and Latino students? It seems like there is this race whose test scores are pretty interesting and their name begins with an A …

Australian Aboriginal-Americans? Andaman-Americans?

No, that’s not it …

Oh, yeah, Asian-Americans!

But, obviously, who would expect Bill Gates to have ever thought once in his life about Asian test scores? Asians and test scores are just not a topic that ever comes up in Seattle’s tech industry. So, it’s completely pedantic and off-topic of you to bring up the question of Asian test scores. Obviously, poor black test scores are the result of FDR’s redlining in 1937 and your bringing up Asian test scores is just an attempt to interject Fake News into the science of redlining.

And for all students in U.S. public schools, the percentage of high school graduates who enroll in postsecondary institutions has remained essentially flat.

Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility and fewer opportunities throughout their lives. This threatens not only their economic future but the economic future and competitiveness of the United States.

There are some signs of progress. Over the past decade, in cities like Charlotte, Austin, and Fresno, high school graduation rates have gone up rapidly.

High school graduation rates go up when the construction industry crashes. In 2007, lots of Latino youths were dropping out of high school to get construction jobs. Then Latino-heavy areas found they had built more houses than Latinos could pay for, so Latinos decided to hang around school longer.

Much of the rest of Gates’ is speech is about how he and Melinda will donate a fortune to make schools more data-driven.

But noticing Asian data is something you just can’t do, even if you are Bill Gates.

 
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  1. Are there any other races of students in America than whites, Black, and Latino students?

    If you’re beyond a certain age, probably not. Life was good to Bill Gates – he doesn’t need to notice the people who help run Microsoft.

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  2. Bill Gates is worth 90 billion dollars.

    Jeff Bezos is worth 93 billion dollars.

    Mark Zuckerberg is worth 74 billion dollars.

    Bill Gates has too much political power in the United States.

    Bill Gates says this or that about education and the corporate media broadcasts it everywhere. Why the hell should the people in the United States care about WASP turd Bill Gates?

    The Alt-Right Republican Party should explicitly go after the billionaire dirtbags who are harming education by pushing mass immigration. I don’t care if Gates avoids mentioning high-achieving Asians in regards to school test scores. Gates does that to keep his bullshit more simple for the White boobs.

    Alt-Right Republicans should make the case that Gates, Bezos and Zuckerberg are harming the outcomes for American students by swamping their schools with a flood of foreigners. Gates is harming American students by overwhelming the schools in certain parts of the United States.

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  3. “Black and Latino students perform comparably to the students in the lowest performing OECD countries, such as Chile and Greece.”

    Both of those are white countries. Greeks are considered white, right? I think Chile is officially 60% white, and the other 40% mixed. But if Blacks and Latinos are at the Greece Chile level then mission accomplished I say. Greece produces a fair amount of top-tier math science academic talent which I don’t see from African Americans. Chile is often considered a model for development.

    “Without success in college”

    He dropped out of college.

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  4. Steve, any thoughts on Kevin Spacey?

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  5. Some years ago it was reported that Gates was on the hunt for an ‘African Einstein’. Whatever happened with that?

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    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2017/01/27/turok-of-the-north/
    , @bomag
    I believe the African genius was found playing scrabble.
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  6. Utterly disgraceful.

    So much for ‘white privilege’. I just wrapped up a few rounds of on-campus interviews at three of the top 20 schools in Computer Science globally.

    I counted 3 white kids in my stay at the first. Cohort of 500, apparently, and three whites. I expected rafts of Chinese/Koreans/etc, and I was not disappointed. However, what shocked me were the high numbers of hijab sporting Muslimas. The idea that they are competing well against white males in computer science is rather suspicious.

    Looks like whites are being discriminated against. Even the Jews were massively under-represented.

    Asians don’t exist, even when they make up 95% of students in computer science programs.

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    • Replies: @Anon2000
    I'll bet most of them are foreign too. Computer Science is their ticket to an H1b visa and ultimately, green card. White kids don't major in CS anymore, just like they longer work in the farm...don't want to be surrounded by non-English speakers and feel like a foreigner in your own country.

    Either that or they're too busy protesting as SJWs. Maybe that's where all the Jews are.

    , @StillCARealist
    When my white son competed in Stanford's ProCo (programming) competition he said of all the couple hundred kids in the place he could only identify 3 whites.

    Sounds like we've hit the white quota: 3 is the max.

    Oh, and he decided against CS as a major.

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  7. I didn’t think Bill Gates was this much of a phony. Then again, he knows what audience he is catering to, and how dumb they are.

    Not only have Asians been Microsoft employees since the beginning, but one is even their current CEO.

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  8. Amiri Baraka-Americans?

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  9. This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as ‘white’, so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!

    If you think this will not become the status quo, remember that this has already been done twice. In 1900, Irish were not considered ‘white’ in America. After that, the definition was expanded. In the 50s, Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered white. Then, the definition was expanded. WNs went along with it both times, and pretended that the new status quo was always there.

    Whenever the population of ‘whites’ in the US drops below 70%, they expand the definition to bring it back up to 80% or so. This has already been done twice before.

    Under the 1890 definition of ‘white’, only 20% of Americans today are white. But when Asians (both East and South) are reclassified as ‘white’ (which is already underway, as per this latest observation with Gates), America will be 75-80% white yet again.

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,

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    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,
     
    Works for me. It ain't Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.
    , @MBlanc46
    You’ve been reading too much academic nonsense.
    , @Anon2000

    This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as ‘white’, so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!
     
    Dream on. No white nationalist worth his salt will ever classify Asians as "white". Bill Gates is the opposite of WN, he's a libtard.
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  10. Gates: “Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . .”

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who “works hard and plays by the rules” has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

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    That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend.
     
    College is always the answer. You just have to ask the right question:


    Taxpayer $----->Student----->Associate Dean of Diversity & Inclusion----->Democratic Party
    , @Faraday's Bobcat

    That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend.
     
    College is always the answer; you just have to ask the right question.

    Tax $ ----> Student ----->Associate Dean of Diversity & Inclusion -----> Democratic Party
    , @Barnard
    It amazes me these people can be so ignorant. If a child has no interest in education and that child's parents have no interest in making sure he gets an education, no amount of money spent is going to make a difference. It shouldn't take data to understand that, just like it shouldn't take data to understand that half of students are going to be below average and won't benefit from college.
    , @MBlanc46
    Agreed, but that sort of economy doesn’t allow for super-billionaires suck as Gates.
    , @Anon2000

    What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who “works hard and plays by the rules” has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.
     
    And who gave away their decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life but the same libtards like Gates who want unlimited immigration? The devils are now trying to play God.
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  11. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Seriously… when are we going to make a distinction between Conquistador Hispanics and Non-Hispanic Mesos and Negroes who only speak Spanish?

    Calling natives of Americas and blacks from Latin America ‘Hispanics’ because they speak Spanish is as ludicrous as referring to black Americans and American Indians as ‘Anglos’ because they speak English.

    This bad habit must stop.

    Also, it allows White Hispanics to masquerade as People of Color. They play a dirty game, like the fruitcake homo Hispanic who plays on KKK tropes.

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    Had a Venezuelan Uber driver who was mostly Euro... we spoke in Spanish for the ride, she said my Spanish was good...
    Two days later had a black Cuban Uber driver... spoke no English, I could not understand a thing he said except that he had been a fisherman... and had been in the US for 10 months
    Why is he here?
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  12. In the real world it’s quite impressive if US education really gets African-Americans to perform at the level of white Greeks.

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  13. The chart with the PISA mean score, is it for Math, Language or Science?

    Instead of pissing away his fortune trying to change something he can’t change like IQ, Bill Gates should just use his fortune to create jobs for all the extra tens of millions of African babies he saved who are now unemployed adults invading Europe. Pay them for digging up dirt all day, moving it from one side to the other, and the next day, moving it back, like the great rural employment program of India. It’s all they’ll know how to do. Not much better than the welfare class in the US.

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  14. And for all students in U.S. public schools, the percentage of high school graduates who enroll in postsecondary institutions has remained essentially flat.

    Well, as these shores get filled up with students that are effectively 3rd world IQ immigrants, is it any wonder that the percentage has remained flat?

    You’d think Bill would be good at math…

    What is the basis for the idea that more and more students should go to college? Other than the fact that it increasingly looks like 13 years of state-funded education fails to educate the students.

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  16. @jbwilson24
    Utterly disgraceful.

    So much for 'white privilege'. I just wrapped up a few rounds of on-campus interviews at three of the top 20 schools in Computer Science globally.

    I counted 3 white kids in my stay at the first. Cohort of 500, apparently, and three whites. I expected rafts of Chinese/Koreans/etc, and I was not disappointed. However, what shocked me were the high numbers of hijab sporting Muslimas. The idea that they are competing well against white males in computer science is rather suspicious.

    Looks like whites are being discriminated against. Even the Jews were massively under-represented.

    Asians don't exist, even when they make up 95% of students in computer science programs.

    I’ll bet most of them are foreign too. Computer Science is their ticket to an H1b visa and ultimately, green card. White kids don’t major in CS anymore, just like they longer work in the farm…don’t want to be surrounded by non-English speakers and feel like a foreigner in your own country.

    Either that or they’re too busy protesting as SJWs. Maybe that’s where all the Jews are.

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    Plenty of white kids in computer science. One problem is clannishness by South Asians, reported to me by workers still in the field. To wit:once management goes South Asian, everyone afterward who is hired is South Asian.
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  17. I’d like to say a few words about the state of public education in the U.S. By and large, schools are still falling short on the key metrics of a quality education – math scores, English scores….

    But English scores can only get better now that Yale has decolonized it’s English program. Public schools will surely follow suit.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/408017-yale-english-lit-diversity/

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  18. Steve, I took this pic last week in San Marino and thought you’d find it funny.

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    Word is that the 1,800 or so whites to leave San Marino between 2000-2010 smuggled out thousands of tons of magic dirt, which they sold on the "white market" to Harlem gentrifiers at an obscene profit.
    Keep an eye on Frederick Douglass Prep XC.
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  19. Also, the chart shows Asians in the US perform worse than Asians in most Asian majority countries.

    Is that a condemnation of our educational system or the mix of people who are Asian in the US? or both?

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    In the past, Asian-Americans have scored the same or higher than the Japanese. (See 2012 Scores.)

    Two things may explain the relatively low scores for Asian-Americans in 2015. One, the 2015 exam was computerized and some countries performed better or worse than normal in the testing phase, so maybe Asian-Americans were affected too. Two, and the more likely, there was a sampling bias. Only a small number of kids actually take the PISA exam. If a higher than normal percentage of Asian-Americans tested were Hmong or some other low scoring group, then that would explain the poorer performance.
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  20. We might be able to predict that as the Asian Advantage gets more unavoidably obvious, it’ll become even more taboo, especially if we continue to count South Asians as “Asian.” Our new overlords aren’t going to like it being noticed that they’re increasingly dominating the 1%.

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  21. Gates’ estate Xanadu 2.0 is located in Medina, Washington, a small (suburb of Seattle) town of 3000 persons.

    From Wiki,

    “In 2009, Medina installed cameras at intersections along roads entering the city; the cameras are used to capture the license plate number of every car, and a security system automatically notifies local police if the captured number is recorded in a database.[13] Travellers are notified of the presence of the system with signs that read “You Are Entering a 24 Hour Video Surveillance Area”; according to Medina’s police chief, all captured information is stored for 60 days even if nothing negative is found in the database, allowing police to mine data if a crime occurs later.”

    ” The racial makeup of the city was 83.5% White, 0.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 11.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 3.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population.”

    11.7% Asian? One would think that he’d have stumbled over one of them somewhere in a town of 3000.

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    I think that Gates' Xanadu could house maybe three or four dozen 'undocumented immigrants' or maybe more! Vibrancy for Medina!
    , @Olorin
    Jeff Bezos also lives in Medina.

    https://seattle.curbed.com/maps/washington-state-billionaire-homes-bill-gates-jeff-bezos

    They're thrilled to have giant houses and businesses in a no-income-tax state...while lobbying to make the middle class pay income tax.

    , @MBlanc46
    You don’t just stumble across many people in the back of a limo with tinted windows.
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  22. @Luke Lea
    Gates: "Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . ."

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who "works hard and plays by the rules" has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend.

    College is always the answer. You just have to ask the right question:

    Taxpayer $—–>Student—–>Associate Dean of Diversity & Inclusion—–>Democratic Party

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  23. @Luke Lea
    Gates: "Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . ."

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who "works hard and plays by the rules" has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend.

    College is always the answer; you just have to ask the right question.

    Tax $ —-> Student —–>Associate Dean of Diversity & Inclusion —–> Democratic Party

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  24. One would think Bill Gates would understand not every high school kid is college material but the cost of tuition is pretty much the same for a degree in computer science or one in journalism or sociology. Since it is Gates own company that is developing the technology that has eliminated many jobs that were once filled with liberal arts grads or even high school dropouts surely he owes us more than cliches about ‘more education’ as a panacea for the dearth of living wage jobs ( that he fills with immigrants on temporary work visas!)

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  25. @jackson
    Steve, I took this pic last week in San Marino and thought you'd find it funny.

    https://i.imgur.com/JTsJ0pQ.jpg

    Word is that the 1,800 or so whites to leave San Marino between 2000-2010 smuggled out thousands of tons of magic dirt, which they sold on the “white market” to Harlem gentrifiers at an obscene profit.
    Keep an eye on Frederick Douglass Prep XC.

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  26. @jbwilson24
    Utterly disgraceful.

    So much for 'white privilege'. I just wrapped up a few rounds of on-campus interviews at three of the top 20 schools in Computer Science globally.

    I counted 3 white kids in my stay at the first. Cohort of 500, apparently, and three whites. I expected rafts of Chinese/Koreans/etc, and I was not disappointed. However, what shocked me were the high numbers of hijab sporting Muslimas. The idea that they are competing well against white males in computer science is rather suspicious.

    Looks like whites are being discriminated against. Even the Jews were massively under-represented.

    Asians don't exist, even when they make up 95% of students in computer science programs.

    When my white son competed in Stanford’s ProCo (programming) competition he said of all the couple hundred kids in the place he could only identify 3 whites.

    Sounds like we’ve hit the white quota: 3 is the max.

    Oh, and he decided against CS as a major.

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  27. Asians are just seen as brain-servant of the Jewish and white elites.

    Asians got brains for tech-work but no will, no agency, no identity.

    So, best to keep them humming along as Asiandroids.

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  28. @anonymous
    Some years ago it was reported that Gates was on the hunt for an 'African Einstein'. Whatever happened with that?
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  29. Gates is a cunning psychopath. Concerned strictly with his own wealth creation.

    His Common Core was a wonderful hoax: he got already standardized paper-and-pencil tests to online interactive computerized testing, lining the pockets of tech companies like himself. LA schools spent a billion upgrading technology just to be able to take the tests.

    His $1.7 in planned spending over the next five years is merely a lobbying campaign for technology and software, using kids as cattle eating Microsoft straw.

    The hypocrisy is historic, with a college drop-out proving himself the utter uselessness of a college degree to a free market entrepreneur. There is only one thing more useless than Bill Gates with a degree in women’s studies instead of in his garage testing operating systems: a retard with a college degree.

    He knows showering money on retards will have no effect but enriching Bill Gates and all the other profiteers off useless, wasted resources on retards.

    A retard can lay bricks, finish concrete, put in septic systems, etc. But Bill Gates wants society paying taxes to put him in front of a computer, make him a data point to study – when he should have left at elementary school and made journeyman’s wages by age 16.

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  30. @Luke Lea
    Gates: "Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . ."

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who "works hard and plays by the rules" has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    It amazes me these people can be so ignorant. If a child has no interest in education and that child’s parents have no interest in making sure he gets an education, no amount of money spent is going to make a difference. It shouldn’t take data to understand that, just like it shouldn’t take data to understand that half of students are going to be below average and won’t benefit from college.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.
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  31. @Anon
    Seriously... when are we going to make a distinction between Conquistador Hispanics and Non-Hispanic Mesos and Negroes who only speak Spanish?

    Calling natives of Americas and blacks from Latin America 'Hispanics' because they speak Spanish is as ludicrous as referring to black Americans and American Indians as 'Anglos' because they speak English.

    This bad habit must stop.

    Also, it allows White Hispanics to masquerade as People of Color. They play a dirty game, like the fruitcake homo Hispanic who plays on KKK tropes.

    Had a Venezuelan Uber driver who was mostly Euro… we spoke in Spanish for the ride, she said my Spanish was good…
    Two days later had a black Cuban Uber driver… spoke no English, I could not understand a thing he said except that he had been a fisherman… and had been in the US for 10 months
    Why is he here?

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    • Replies: @1661er
    https://www.uber.com/drive/requirements/

    Have at least one year of driving experience in the U.S. (3 years if you are under 23 years old)
     
    Uber would had void its commercial auto insurance by allow people who are not "insurable/bondable" on its platform. Uber had been caught not performing background checks it claimed to required. But while they cheat on their customers and governments, you would think they would be more careful about its insurance carriers.
    , @Father O'Hara
    I'd suggest carrying a copy of "Old Man And The Sea" in case you run into him again.
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  32. @Thomm
    This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as 'white', so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!

    If you think this will not become the status quo, remember that this has already been done twice. In 1900, Irish were not considered 'white' in America. After that, the definition was expanded. In the 50s, Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered white. Then, the definition was expanded. WNs went along with it both times, and pretended that the new status quo was always there.

    Whenever the population of 'whites' in the US drops below 70%, they expand the definition to bring it back up to 80% or so. This has already been done twice before.

    Under the 1890 definition of 'white', only 20% of Americans today are white. But when Asians (both East and South) are reclassified as 'white' (which is already underway, as per this latest observation with Gates), America will be 75-80% white yet again.

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,

    Works for me. It ain’t Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.

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    Works for me. It ain’t Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.
     
    I only recently learned that in Texas, this definition has been in effect for almost 200 years. They have the right idea.
    , @MBlanc46
    Indeed. They just take our jobs.
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  33. I wonder how Bill Gates would score on the SAT, today. He talks like his M+V would be at least a standard deviation lower than it was in 1977. I doubt he could even get to the end of a Gates Foundation charitable giving report in a single sitting.

    It’s a sad fact that the human brain dehydrates with age.

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    It's not so much his age, as it is his Diet Coke habit, that is the problem, in my opinion. Warren Buffett drinks mostly non-Diet Cherry Coke, I believe, which is, relatively speaking, ``healthier'' for the human brain:

    Warren Buffett is the face of Cherry Coke in China

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/04/news/companies/warren-buffett-cherry-coke-china/index.html

    Science Explains Why Bill Gates Guzzles Diet Coke Constantly


    American billionaire and Microsoft founder Bill Gates spends much of his time considering how innovations can eradicate poverty and better global health. He also really, really likes Diet Coke — a habit that might curb his enjoyment of other sweet treats.

    In a recent Telegraph profile of Gates, Joe Cerrell of the Gates Foundation, divulges that Gates’s traveling habits include “hotel rooms full of Diet Coke,” as well as “cheeseburgers for lunch, no matter who you are.” While Gates can easily be teased about his 16-year-old gamer diet, it isn’t necessarily something that he’s been trying to hide. See exhibit A: Gates drinking three Diet Cokes, while in conversation with Bono. Or exhibit B: his blog post where Gates admits readily that he might have three or four Diet Cokes a day.
     

    - https://www.inverse.com/article/22652-bill-gates-diet-coke-sugar

    Diet Sodas Raise Risk Of Dementia And Stroke, Study Finds | NBC Nightly News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYL6gvPRGo

    , @anonguy
    Bill Gates, unless he has some super-duper secret life, is the most pathetic billionaire ever, the past 15 years or so.

    Getting lead around by the nose by Melinda in her global virtue signaling.

    He doesn't look miserable, though, just sort of dully insensate, almost imbecilic. Maybe he does have some early onset dementia.
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  34. @scrivener3
    Also, the chart shows Asians in the US perform worse than Asians in most Asian majority countries.

    Is that a condemnation of our educational system or the mix of people who are Asian in the US? or both?

    In the past, Asian-Americans have scored the same or higher than the Japanese. (See 2012 Scores.)

    Two things may explain the relatively low scores for Asian-Americans in 2015. One, the 2015 exam was computerized and some countries performed better or worse than normal in the testing phase, so maybe Asian-Americans were affected too. Two, and the more likely, there was a sampling bias. Only a small number of kids actually take the PISA exam. If a higher than normal percentage of Asian-Americans tested were Hmong or some other low scoring group, then that would explain the poorer performance.

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  35. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Had a Venezuelan Uber driver who was mostly Euro... we spoke in Spanish for the ride, she said my Spanish was good...
    Two days later had a black Cuban Uber driver... spoke no English, I could not understand a thing he said except that he had been a fisherman... and had been in the US for 10 months
    Why is he here?

    https://www.uber.com/drive/requirements/

    Have at least one year of driving experience in the U.S. (3 years if you are under 23 years old)

    Uber would had void its commercial auto insurance by allow people who are not “insurable/bondable” on its platform. Uber had been caught not performing background checks it claimed to required. But while they cheat on their customers and governments, you would think they would be more careful about its insurance carriers.

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    Interesting, thanks...
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  36. @Johann Ricke

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,
     
    Works for me. It ain't Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.

    Works for me. It ain’t Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.

    I only recently learned that in Texas, this definition has been in effect for almost 200 years. They have the right idea.

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  37. Well,seems Selena and Weeknd have parted ways.

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  38. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Didn’t a gibbon write DECLINE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE?

    Then, it’s most unjust that the Planet of Apes movies never included gibbons.

    But maybe someone could make one. It would be based on a book called THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE GREAT APE EMPIRE written by another gibbon.

    This is what happened. After humanity fell to Ape Power, the chimps-gorillas-and-orangutans got arrogant and apathetic(or apeathetic). (And Bonobos got too decadent with homo stuff.) The long-neglected gibbons asked to be included in the New Ape Order, but the Great Apes laughed at the gibbons who were regarded as sub-apes. So, the Great Apes exploited the gibbons or used them as pets and in other degrading ways.

    But eventually, the gibbons organize and wait their turn as the Great Apes become corrupt and stupid and make a mess of things. This opens the path to the gibbonic takeover.

    And then, after centuries pass, a gibbon writes the book THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE GREAT APE EMPIRE that explains it all.

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  39. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Had a Venezuelan Uber driver who was mostly Euro... we spoke in Spanish for the ride, she said my Spanish was good...
    Two days later had a black Cuban Uber driver... spoke no English, I could not understand a thing he said except that he had been a fisherman... and had been in the US for 10 months
    Why is he here?

    I’d suggest carrying a copy of “Old Man And The Sea” in case you run into him again.

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  40. @ThreeCranes
    Gates' estate Xanadu 2.0 is located in Medina, Washington, a small (suburb of Seattle) town of 3000 persons.

    http://priceypads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/article-2197892-14D1FEF7000005DC-533_634x442.jpeg

    From Wiki,

    "In 2009, Medina installed cameras at intersections along roads entering the city; the cameras are used to capture the license plate number of every car, and a security system automatically notifies local police if the captured number is recorded in a database.[13] Travellers are notified of the presence of the system with signs that read "You Are Entering a 24 Hour Video Surveillance Area"; according to Medina's police chief, all captured information is stored for 60 days even if nothing negative is found in the database, allowing police to mine data if a crime occurs later."

    " The racial makeup of the city was 83.5% White, 0.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 11.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 3.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population."

    11.7% Asian? One would think that he'd have stumbled over one of them somewhere in a town of 3000.

    I think that Gates’ Xanadu could house maybe three or four dozen ‘undocumented immigrants’ or maybe more! Vibrancy for Medina!

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  41. @1661er
    https://www.uber.com/drive/requirements/

    Have at least one year of driving experience in the U.S. (3 years if you are under 23 years old)
     
    Uber would had void its commercial auto insurance by allow people who are not "insurable/bondable" on its platform. Uber had been caught not performing background checks it claimed to required. But while they cheat on their customers and governments, you would think they would be more careful about its insurance carriers.

    Interesting, thanks…

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  42. So is Bill Gates going to blow his whole fortune on virtue signaling?

    Both Bates and Buffett give me the creeps with their total indifference to the fate of White America.

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    Indifference, hell. He wants non elite whites extirpated, through hybridization or lack of opportunity to form families. So do all the other elite billionaire types and their sycophants.

    They know that non-elite whites have an upper layer that are the only people on Earth with a serious chance of challenging them. Orientals have the IQ, but not the creativity. Indians have at their top castes the IQ, but they are a tiny fraction of India, and do not have the drive or inclination for the most part to upend the existing order, though they can certainly prove useful at sustaining the existing one. Current Microsoft CEO Nadella is proof. He's a good sustaining CEO. But in no way an entrepreneur.

    Mestizos? Arabs? Negroes? No more need be said.

    So there is a certain cold blooded logic here.

    Badwhites look at the existing order and when it no longer serves a purpose, feel a compulsion to upend it, not in a nihilistic and destructive way, but in a way to have something better.

    John Moses Browning looked at the muzzleloader and saw that it was good in its day, but he could see something better, and built it.

    Henry Ford looked at the crude and expensive horseless carriages of the 1890s and saw that he could build something better.

    Nonwhite people like that are almost nonexistent. The Japanese can take an existing idea and make it better, combine parts of different machines in new better ways, reduce all the variables that cause trouble, and take considerable pride in workmanship. But they never have and never will create something from scratch. Japanese themselves told me this. They won't even go from the muzzleloader to the bolt action or from the highwheeled horseless carriage to the modern automobile on their own. Japanese cars and cameras were copies of German and American ones-the first Nissans had a copy of a Mercedes engine and the Toyota Land Cruiser a copy of the Chevy six. The Nikon camera empire started by putting the Leica cloth focal plane shutter in the Contax body and lens mount.

    "I don't have to outrun the bear", said the faster runner to his nearest rival. "I just have to outrun you."
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  43. Thanks! – Very interesting realm opened up here – it seems a bit hard to make a difference between the one Bill Gates making a tactical use of language and the other one, who is stuck in neurotic defense mechanisms (neglect, rationalization…).

    ((The thought, that the two might be entangled doesn’t make this affair easier, unfortunately. – What it basically shows is, what Erich Fromm once put this way: It’s difficult to be rational in an unsane society)).

    (((Ah – excuse me – the Stones came to my mind, while I corrected my little post – “Excuse me, dear doctor, I’m damaged, there’s a pain, where there once was a heart// – Even better might be “(…) There’s aa pain, where there one/ was a brain…”))).

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  44. @JimB
    I wonder how Bill Gates would score on the SAT, today. He talks like his M+V would be at least a standard deviation lower than it was in 1977. I doubt he could even get to the end of a Gates Foundation charitable giving report in a single sitting.

    It's a sad fact that the human brain dehydrates with age.

    It’s not so much his age, as it is his Diet Coke habit, that is the problem, in my opinion. Warren Buffett drinks mostly non-Diet Cherry Coke, I believe, which is, relatively speaking, “healthier” for the human brain:

    Warren Buffett is the face of Cherry Coke in China

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/04/news/companies/warren-buffett-cherry-coke-china/index.html

    Science Explains Why Bill Gates Guzzles Diet Coke Constantly

    American billionaire and Microsoft founder Bill Gates spends much of his time considering how innovations can eradicate poverty and better global health. He also really, really likes Diet Coke — a habit that might curb his enjoyment of other sweet treats.

    In a recent Telegraph profile of Gates, Joe Cerrell of the Gates Foundation, divulges that Gates’s traveling habits include “hotel rooms full of Diet Coke,” as well as “cheeseburgers for lunch, no matter who you are.” While Gates can easily be teased about his 16-year-old gamer diet, it isn’t necessarily something that he’s been trying to hide. See exhibit A: Gates drinking three Diet Cokes, while in conversation with Bono. Or exhibit B: his blog post where Gates admits readily that he might have three or four Diet Cokes a day.

    https://www.inverse.com/article/22652-bill-gates-diet-coke-sugar

    Diet Sodas Raise Risk Of Dementia And Stroke, Study Finds | NBC Nightly News

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  45. @ThreeCranes
    Gates' estate Xanadu 2.0 is located in Medina, Washington, a small (suburb of Seattle) town of 3000 persons.

    http://priceypads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/article-2197892-14D1FEF7000005DC-533_634x442.jpeg

    From Wiki,

    "In 2009, Medina installed cameras at intersections along roads entering the city; the cameras are used to capture the license plate number of every car, and a security system automatically notifies local police if the captured number is recorded in a database.[13] Travellers are notified of the presence of the system with signs that read "You Are Entering a 24 Hour Video Surveillance Area"; according to Medina's police chief, all captured information is stored for 60 days even if nothing negative is found in the database, allowing police to mine data if a crime occurs later."

    " The racial makeup of the city was 83.5% White, 0.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 11.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 3.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population."

    11.7% Asian? One would think that he'd have stumbled over one of them somewhere in a town of 3000.

    Jeff Bezos also lives in Medina.

    https://seattle.curbed.com/maps/washington-state-billionaire-homes-bill-gates-jeff-bezos

    They’re thrilled to have giant houses and businesses in a no-income-tax state…while lobbying to make the middle class pay income tax.

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  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    It amazes me these people can be so ignorant. If a child has no interest in education and that child's parents have no interest in making sure he gets an education, no amount of money spent is going to make a difference. It shouldn't take data to understand that, just like it shouldn't take data to understand that half of students are going to be below average and won't benefit from college.

    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don’t really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don’t get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of “college graduates” with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor’s in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don’t vote and don’t breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don’t have a very nice fix.

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    The "college degree" became the "gatekeeper" when skills-based aptitude tests were outlawed because of "civil-rights" concerns. See "Griggs v. Duke Power" for the "supreme court OPINION that outlawed the use of these valuable assessment tools. As employers wanted a way to assess competency, the "college degree" became the "bar"...
    The 1957 and 1964 "civil-rights (for some) acts" and their accompanying "baggage" should be repealed "lock stock and barrel"...
    , @anarchyst
    I attended a proprietary "electronics school" in the 1960s, (RETS). This Detroit-based school was not a degree-granting institution, but was able to turn out fully competent electrical engineers in TWO YEARS. There were no college "fluff courses" or extras--only 6 hours per day of electrical engineering principles. This school was so respected that ads seeking engineers in the local newspapers would specify college degree or RETS (the name of the school) as a requirement. Engineers who graduated from this school easily procured employment as they could "hit the ground running" and needed very little coaching, unlike many of the internships of today.
    It turns out that this school (now defunct) was actually ahead of its time...
    , @27 year old

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don’t vote and don’t breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don’t have a very nice fix.
     
    Damn, easy tiger, the sheeple can't handle that raw truth...

    Your IQ is what? 120,130 tops?

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don't complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

    Don't tell me you're smarter than that. That's not the point, the principle is the same just slide the scale upwards. Whatever your IQ, there will always be people with higher. Especially out a few decades when the überwealthy are able to do gene editing and biotronic augmentations. Even an ultra high natural IQ will be no match. What are you going to say then?

    If you accept the capitalist framework were people are only valuable to the extent they produce/consume, as you seem to be doing, how can you then object when somebody higher up the chart deems you and yours to be "a liability" based on your IQ?

    People of our race are an asset, because they are ours. The first world needs ditch diggers too.

    More of our problems today are coming from the right side of the White/(((white))) bell curve than the left. For 300 plus years 90 IQ Whites bred prodigiously in this country and they voted too, and we still put a man on the moon.
    , @Eagle Eye

    HS teachers should have to have a bachelor’s in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.
     
    Exactly. Get rid of all the quasi-degrees, masters and PhDs from ed schools now restyled "universities." Insist on real degrees in real subjects.

    Educationalizationators are useless mouths feeding at the public trough and inevitably become part of the Edu-Borg, infecting young minds with the poison of leftist Borg-think.

    We need teachers who are fully qualified in their subjects who will be better at recognizing and respecting/disrespecting qualification (or the lack of it) in others.

    , @MBlanc46
    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.
    , @Anon2000
    Agree with every word.

    Even a Computer Science degree is overkill for most jobs in tech today. Many tech companies are founded by people who dropped out of college - Microsoft, Apple, Dell, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, all were founded by college dropouts. Most college computer science curriculum are far too theoretical to be useful in business. Lower level tech jobs like Software Testing and Tech Support do not need a CS degree at all, that's why Indian outsourcing firms are bringing in millions of underqualified grads of Indian diploma mills to do these jobs. We need to make them train our HS grads who don't want to go to college to do these jobs, instead of allowing them to keep importing these South Asian scam artists, who continue to bill themselves as "highly skilled", while our tech illiterate immigration loving media and politicians gleefully repeat the lie.

    Also agree about School of Education. Most of the elementary school teachers and a lot of middle school teachers now are Education majors. Most are people who flunk Algebra II in high school, dumb as door knobs. I lost count how many of my kids' elementary teachers start the class each year by telling the class math is their least favorite subject. Why do they need to tell the kids that? By 1st grade my kid was already doing higher level math than his teacher, who couldn't muster a long division or even remembered her multiplication table. And then we wonder why our kids can't do math?

    Middle school and high school teachers need to major in the subject they teach, not Education. My kids have had art majors teaching them English who allow them to submit drawings in place of writing assignments, to showcase their "creativity"; Education majors and PE majors teaching them Middle School history which is basically all about slavery and native American "genocide". Some of their HS math and science teachers could barely speak English. Then we wonder why our HS grads are so dumb. And we live in a majority white/asian suburb with supposedly good schools.

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  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    So is Bill Gates going to blow his whole fortune on virtue signaling?

    Both Bates and Buffett give me the creeps with their total indifference to the fate of White America.

    Indifference, hell. He wants non elite whites extirpated, through hybridization or lack of opportunity to form families. So do all the other elite billionaire types and their sycophants.

    They know that non-elite whites have an upper layer that are the only people on Earth with a serious chance of challenging them. Orientals have the IQ, but not the creativity. Indians have at their top castes the IQ, but they are a tiny fraction of India, and do not have the drive or inclination for the most part to upend the existing order, though they can certainly prove useful at sustaining the existing one. Current Microsoft CEO Nadella is proof. He’s a good sustaining CEO. But in no way an entrepreneur.

    Mestizos? Arabs? Negroes? No more need be said.

    So there is a certain cold blooded logic here.

    Badwhites look at the existing order and when it no longer serves a purpose, feel a compulsion to upend it, not in a nihilistic and destructive way, but in a way to have something better.

    John Moses Browning looked at the muzzleloader and saw that it was good in its day, but he could see something better, and built it.

    Henry Ford looked at the crude and expensive horseless carriages of the 1890s and saw that he could build something better.

    Nonwhite people like that are almost nonexistent. The Japanese can take an existing idea and make it better, combine parts of different machines in new better ways, reduce all the variables that cause trouble, and take considerable pride in workmanship. But they never have and never will create something from scratch. Japanese themselves told me this. They won’t even go from the muzzleloader to the bolt action or from the highwheeled horseless carriage to the modern automobile on their own. Japanese cars and cameras were copies of German and American ones-the first Nissans had a copy of a Mercedes engine and the Toyota Land Cruiser a copy of the Chevy six. The Nikon camera empire started by putting the Leica cloth focal plane shutter in the Contax body and lens mount.

    “I don’t have to outrun the bear”, said the faster runner to his nearest rival. “I just have to outrun you.”

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  48. @anonymous
    Some years ago it was reported that Gates was on the hunt for an 'African Einstein'. Whatever happened with that?

    I believe the African genius was found playing scrabble.

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  49. while the number of Americans attending college has remained relatively flat , the percentage of female undergrads has continue to increase as schools have reduced male athletic scholarships while making colleges a hostile environment for males. 62% of undergraduates are now female…in 1980 it was 50%.

    25% of millennial men had a college degree by age 30 , while 35% of female millennials had a college degree by age 30. If Bill Gates is concerned with college enrollment he must focus on getting more men to enroll in college.

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    Bill Gates is concerned with preserving his loot pile of about 90 billion dollars. White Males Without A College Degree are a direct threat to Bill Gates's loot pile. Gates is an evil baby boomer who knowingly attacks his fellow Americans in order to preserve a system that benefits him and harms others.

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are enemies of White Core America. Gates, Bezos and Zuckerberg push mass immigration and globalization. Mass immigration swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases housing costs and lowers wages. Mass immigration hinders Affordable Family Formation.

    Bill Gates is openly attacking Whites Without College Degrees and the larger White Core America cohort. Gates is doing this to weaken them so he will continue to not only preserve his 90 billion dollars, but also to massively increase it.

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are evil billionaire treasonites. If a GOP congressional primary candidate is not openly attacking the plutocrats that are attacking White Core America then that is a clear sign that that candidate is a bought and paid for politician whore.
    , @Thomm
    This is true, but remember that the proliferation of women into college has really just diluted the value of many college degrees.

    Remember that whenever women flood into something, it loses status in the eyes of both men and women.
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    while the number of Americans attending college has remained relatively flat , the percentage of female undergrads has continue to increase as schools have reduced male athletic scholarships while making colleges a hostile environment for males. 62% of undergraduates are now female...in 1980 it was 50%.

    25% of millennial men had a college degree by age 30 , while 35% of female millennials had a college degree by age 30. If Bill Gates is concerned with college enrollment he must focus on getting more men to enroll in college.

    Bill Gates is concerned with preserving his loot pile of about 90 billion dollars. White Males Without A College Degree are a direct threat to Bill Gates’s loot pile. Gates is an evil baby boomer who knowingly attacks his fellow Americans in order to preserve a system that benefits him and harms others.

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are enemies of White Core America. Gates, Bezos and Zuckerberg push mass immigration and globalization. Mass immigration swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, increases housing costs and lowers wages. Mass immigration hinders Affordable Family Formation.

    Bill Gates is openly attacking Whites Without College Degrees and the larger White Core America cohort. Gates is doing this to weaken them so he will continue to not only preserve his 90 billion dollars, but also to massively increase it.

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg are evil billionaire treasonites. If a GOP congressional primary candidate is not openly attacking the plutocrats that are attacking White Core America then that is a clear sign that that candidate is a bought and paid for politician whore.

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  51. @Anon2000
    I'll bet most of them are foreign too. Computer Science is their ticket to an H1b visa and ultimately, green card. White kids don't major in CS anymore, just like they longer work in the farm...don't want to be surrounded by non-English speakers and feel like a foreigner in your own country.

    Either that or they're too busy protesting as SJWs. Maybe that's where all the Jews are.

    Plenty of white kids in computer science. One problem is clannishness by South Asians, reported to me by workers still in the field. To wit:once management goes South Asian, everyone afterward who is hired is South Asian.

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    Yep. It's how they roll, the tribe likes to stick together, like that other tribe we know who call themselves God's chosen people. No wonder they form such a mutual admiration society in SV. Indians are drinking the liberal kool-aid by the bucket. In our local elections Indian female candidates are a dime a dozen and every single last one of them is running as a Democrat, taking after their Jewish masters.
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  53. Bill Gates: “… schools are still falling short…”

    Schools don’t “fall short.” Students do.

    Bill Gates: “… high school graduation rates have gone up…”

    Graduation rates tend to measure how easily teachers grade and how eager their administrator-bosses are to pass kids, move them along, and keep their schools “graduation rates” high.

    Gates is an idiot-programmer who made it big because his mother had connections at IBM. He doesn’t know anything about education.

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    Gates is an idiot-programmer who made it big because his mother had connections at IBM. He doesn’t know anything about education.
     
    And this is, IME, more the rule than the exception in the Ed Biz policy arena.

    What promotes an idea/program/reform is not its quality of thought/reasoning, or data that it actually achieves what it promises or is claimed to do.

    What promotes it is a concatenation of money/grants, influence, PR/marketing, and how many Ed Biz careers are created by those who push it from the top. Those at the top travel in their own echo chambers. The more lowly careerists will always move to protect their jobs, with the promise of more jobs for graduates of their own ilk who will become their inferiors in the workplace.

    Those who may be hired or promoted to assess educational success learn, often the hard way, that we are expected to bend research to the conclusion of success, or only find failures of the sort that require more programs/money/careers, that pander to the assumptions of those at the top, and that evade or defer actual assessment of outcomes.

    Those who actually, factually, "know anything about education" are generally pushed to one side because real education is harsh and selective. Like, oh, say, evolution.

    That's the job of a good teacher: to let you know where you stand in relation to other humans and Zen-slap you into taking responsibility for what you're going to do about your limits and how you're going to use your strengths.

    By contrast the Ed Biz is hard-wired to produce careers among the otherwise unemployable, self-esteem among those who already possess a surfeit of it, and political power for society's self-appointed Mommy Class. Above all the Ed Biz must avoid being harsh and selective. Because equality.

    And so people come out of this shirt grinder** even more stupid than when they went in, unable to articulate how and why, in debt and feeling deeply betrayed or seething with entitlement. The best one can hope for is they awaken at some point and realize they were cogs in a vast influence and job creation scheme that benefits everyone but them.

    Then they can go about educating themselves...but find out that the people they were hoping to leapfrog over, such as the non-degreed who have been out working and learning all those years, have a distinct advantage in the real world.

    Venting over. For now.

    **Just because.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KakspbgQc
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  54. Gates knows, so he is either a phoney or a political schizophrenic. Not only is he a college drop out, but when he was CEO he said that he wished he could give prospective employees IQ tests. And they did their darnedest to ask g-loaded puzzle questions in interviews.

    Gates was privileged. He will admit it. He had access to the internet and computers when relatively few did. So I guess all he has to do is buy a few old PDP-10s and dial up modems for some schools in Detroit and then they will all become tech entrepreneurs, like he and Allen and Jobs and Wozniak did. Wozniak is probably a loon but at least he did buy internet for school kids.

    If Gates really believed in what he is saying he could create a charter school with the spare change in his couch. Put it in the most deprived neighborhood and let the program begin in preschool and simply try to recreate the schools he attended. Buy the the same books. Recreate the floorplans. If he believes family environment matters, he could adopt, but then again, why is he talking about education?

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    Instead of creating a charter school in a black neighborhood , he could import 100 blacks from the ghetto to attend the best public schools in his town and see if the magic dirt helps the blacks get onto college.

    It would be quite easy to cause the best Schools in America to become below average if they sent some blacks from Newark , NJ to attend...how many blacks from the inner city would it take to destroy a school ? 12% of the students or would it require 18% ?
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  55. @Travis
    while the number of Americans attending college has remained relatively flat , the percentage of female undergrads has continue to increase as schools have reduced male athletic scholarships while making colleges a hostile environment for males. 62% of undergraduates are now female...in 1980 it was 50%.

    25% of millennial men had a college degree by age 30 , while 35% of female millennials had a college degree by age 30. If Bill Gates is concerned with college enrollment he must focus on getting more men to enroll in college.

    This is true, but remember that the proliferation of women into college has really just diluted the value of many college degrees.

    Remember that whenever women flood into something, it loses status in the eyes of both men and women.

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  56. Bill Gates is NOT the innovator and all-knowing “smartest guy in the room” by any means.

    Bill Gates’ success can be attributed to his purchase of an “operating system” from a REAL software developer.

    Most people are unaware that Bill Gates’ “daddy” is part of one of Seattle, Washington’s most prestigious law firms.

    Most people are unaware that most of Bill Gates’ success came from the tight restrictive “licensing agreements” that were formulated by his daddy’s prestigious Seattle Washington law firm. For the longest time, it was almost impossible to purchase a copy of DOS or Windows without also purchasing hardware. This was good marketing and helped to spread the use of his operating system among the masses.

    You see, Bill Gates WAS born with a “silver spoon” in his mouth and as such, he has NO IDEA of the preciousness of human life. To Gates and those of his type, human life is merely a “commodity” to be created and destroyed according to the will of “elites” such as himself and his ilk.

    Bill Gates (and others of his type) are dangerous to humanity as they think that “they have all the answers” and the financial capital to back it up.

    There are still many more of us than of people like him . . . there is still time to “nip this thing in the bud”…

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    My impression of those early 1970s computer enthusiasts is that everyone was 'borrowing' everybody else's ideas, and nobody much saw anything wrong with it - at least not until serious money started being made. Didn't Kildall himself base CP/M off some piece of DEC software?

    Has anyone read Kildall's unpublished memoirs by the way? We will probably have to wait until Bill Gates dies before they're finally made public.
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  57. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    The “college degree” became the “gatekeeper” when skills-based aptitude tests were outlawed because of “civil-rights” concerns. See “Griggs v. Duke Power” for the “supreme court OPINION that outlawed the use of these valuable assessment tools. As employers wanted a way to assess competency, the “college degree” became the “bar”…
    The 1957 and 1964 “civil-rights (for some) acts” and their accompanying “baggage” should be repealed “lock stock and barrel”…

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  58. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    I attended a proprietary “electronics school” in the 1960s, (RETS). This Detroit-based school was not a degree-granting institution, but was able to turn out fully competent electrical engineers in TWO YEARS. There were no college “fluff courses” or extras–only 6 hours per day of electrical engineering principles. This school was so respected that ads seeking engineers in the local newspapers would specify college degree or RETS (the name of the school) as a requirement. Engineers who graduated from this school easily procured employment as they could “hit the ground running” and needed very little coaching, unlike many of the internships of today.
    It turns out that this school (now defunct) was actually ahead of its time…

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    University engineering departments usually have to provide a wider base of knowledge for their graduates than just taking classes in one field. When I was at UCLA a typical undergraduate engineering student had 2 years of basic classes in calculus, chemistry, computer science (really basic programming), and physics. This was a full load. The 3rd year consisted of the basics for every engineer such as thermodynamics (I wasn't an engineering school student so didn't take them). Your 4th year included the specialization such as computer engineering, electrical engineering, civil engineering, ...
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  59. The constant propagation of reports that blacks have less education, less money, less opportunity does have an inverse.

    Makes your average white person feel very blessed.

    If you can just convince your average white man there is somebody lower on the totem pole, it makes it much easier to pick his pockets.

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    The constant propagation of reports that blacks have less education, less money, less opportunity does have an inverse.

    American racial dynamics are really screwy.

    Ideologically, we are told we are all part of the 'human race' and the blah-blah about Equality = Diversity(which is more off the mark than 2 + 2 = 5).

    But in terms of iconic power, not many Americans have it... which is why Hollywood features mostly whites and blacks(and homos and witty Jews). Other groups get some sidekick roles... like Guilermo on Jimmy Kimmel.

    Whites have the beauty thing. Even with all this anti-white ideology, whiteness as icon has lots of currency. Look at whom Hugo Chavez and Pee Wee Bush married. Blondes. And even though white males have been wussified by pop culture and PC, most romance novels still feature some white pirate type.

    Blacks have the prowess and power thing. They are seen as loudest, fastest, and fiercest mofos(or the most colorful clowns) on the planet. As US and globo culture revolves around sports, blacks get lots of iconic mileage.When I was young, two athletes I heard of most was Ali and Pele. And Rap music and styles has permeated into every nation. BBC news & entertainment feature black male and white female as the ideal in iconic terms. Black males are seen as toughest males, and white females are seen as best-looking females.

    Long ago, whites feared and suppressed black power, but they've come to surrender to it. Civil rights filled whites with 'guilt' and awe at MLK's oratory as black god. And black music and sports filled white guys with worship for blacks -- even conservative white guys in college worshiped Walter Payton and Mike Singletary -- and white girls with Jungle Fever. One of the most conservative guys I ever met had as his two biggest heroes, Miles Davis and Bob Marley.

    So, white people want blacks to succeed and gain power and become leaders and dominate American society. Ideologically, whites will claim to value everyone equally, but in iconic terms they are smitten with blackness. Subconsciously, they do see blacks as the superior race. It's like how Romero depicts the Negro in DAWN OF THE DEAD. He has it all together while the white guys eventually lose it one way or another.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e35FeiQkn4

    Problem is most blacks tend to be childish, stupid, idiotic, petty, and/or obnoxious. They fail to live up to the iconography of the Magic or Masterful Negro. They may be tough but only on the level of trashy thugs. And many fail in school. This is why whites have to look to Africa to get the cream of the crop. African culture is more conservative and its elites(cream of the crop) are bound to have higher IQs and education. Anyway, whites want blacks to lead and dominate, but blacks fail at this spectacularly because so many of them care more about Air Jordans and 'twerking'.

    With Asians, it's the opposite. Yellows and Hindus have no iconic value. To be sure, yellow women have some iconic value as Suzie Wong or 'me so horny', but it's iconography of submission, i.e. yellows are the feminine race that should put out to the superior manlier races. So, American view of yellows is as a people who should follow and serve whites.
    As for Hindus, the guys have some iconic value as 'Babu', but this is just clown show. Hindu males are seen as cartoonish merchants or chatty nerds. Amusing but not to be taken seriously. So, whites don't see Asians as leadership material or forces of domination. At best, the view is that Asians should be 'model minority' drones who should just serve Americans. The idea of Asian dorks, nerds, or drones(blander than even white bread) taking leading or elite roles in America seem... just wrong, against natural way of the world.

    But, Asians tend to be more committed to education and pose a real threat to white enrollment, esp at elite colleges. So, the people that whites regard as inferior or worthless(in iconic terms) seem to be gaining too much, far beyond what they should.
    When China was communist China was closed off, yellow entry into US was limited to SK and Taiwan mostly. Also, as Japan became successful and population leveled off, Japanese mostly stayed home. But the Vietnam refugee crisis and opening up of China led to huge movement of peoples.
    As for India, its 'socialist' economy didn't have much to offer to the US until the 90s. But neo-liberalization led to tech boom, and US companies welcomed tons of Hindus to work in Silicon Valley and other tech-financial areas. And this put tremendous pressure on white middle class.

    In a nutshell, whites want to serve blacks, but blacks fall behind; whites want Asians to serve them, but Asians pull ahead. But white males can still get some kind of revenge by taking Asian wombs as Asian-America is smitten with all things white(despite anti-white ideology adopted by many Asians; power of icon is that strong; it's like even fervent Zionist men marry some blonde 'shikse' because they have a Portnoic obsession with its iconic value). But race-mixing will dilute what is unique about the white race, and in the end, all will lose... except blacks.
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  60. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don’t vote and don’t breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don’t have a very nice fix.

    Damn, easy tiger, the sheeple can’t handle that raw truth…

    Your IQ is what? 120,130 tops?

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don’t complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

    Don’t tell me you’re smarter than that. That’s not the point, the principle is the same just slide the scale upwards. Whatever your IQ, there will always be people with higher. Especially out a few decades when the überwealthy are able to do gene editing and biotronic augmentations. Even an ultra high natural IQ will be no match. What are you going to say then?

    If you accept the capitalist framework were people are only valuable to the extent they produce/consume, as you seem to be doing, how can you then object when somebody higher up the chart deems you and yours to be “a liability” based on your IQ?

    People of our race are an asset, because they are ours. The first world needs ditch diggers too.

    More of our problems today are coming from the right side of the White/(((white))) bell curve than the left. For 300 plus years 90 IQ Whites bred prodigiously in this country and they voted too, and we still put a man on the moon.

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    Mr. 27 says:

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don’t complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

     

    I say:

    The Germans harnessed the brains of rocket boys at Peenemunde and they kept them bastards at work by interesting means. Read Thomas Pynchon for more details. There are many more 130 IQ people than 180 IQ people, and it is always the 130 IQ crowd who rules over the low IQ morons and the high IQ geniuses.
    , @MBlanc46
    Well put.
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  61. @songbird
    Gates knows, so he is either a phoney or a political schizophrenic. Not only is he a college drop out, but when he was CEO he said that he wished he could give prospective employees IQ tests. And they did their darnedest to ask g-loaded puzzle questions in interviews.

    Gates was privileged. He will admit it. He had access to the internet and computers when relatively few did. So I guess all he has to do is buy a few old PDP-10s and dial up modems for some schools in Detroit and then they will all become tech entrepreneurs, like he and Allen and Jobs and Wozniak did. Wozniak is probably a loon but at least he did buy internet for school kids.

    If Gates really believed in what he is saying he could create a charter school with the spare change in his couch. Put it in the most deprived neighborhood and let the program begin in preschool and simply try to recreate the schools he attended. Buy the the same books. Recreate the floorplans. If he believes family environment matters, he could adopt, but then again, why is he talking about education?

    Instead of creating a charter school in a black neighborhood , he could import 100 blacks from the ghetto to attend the best public schools in his town and see if the magic dirt helps the blacks get onto college.

    It would be quite easy to cause the best Schools in America to become below average if they sent some blacks from Newark , NJ to attend…how many blacks from the inner city would it take to destroy a school ? 12% of the students or would it require 18% ?

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  62. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @charlie
    The constant propagation of reports that blacks have less education, less money, less opportunity does have an inverse.

    Makes your average white person feel very blessed.

    If you can just convince your average white man there is somebody lower on the totem pole, it makes it much easier to pick his pockets.

    The constant propagation of reports that blacks have less education, less money, less opportunity does have an inverse.

    American racial dynamics are really screwy.

    Ideologically, we are told we are all part of the ‘human race’ and the blah-blah about Equality = Diversity(which is more off the mark than 2 + 2 = 5).

    But in terms of iconic power, not many Americans have it… which is why Hollywood features mostly whites and blacks(and homos and witty Jews). Other groups get some sidekick roles… like Guilermo on Jimmy Kimmel.

    Whites have the beauty thing. Even with all this anti-white ideology, whiteness as icon has lots of currency. Look at whom Hugo Chavez and Pee Wee Bush married. Blondes. And even though white males have been wussified by pop culture and PC, most romance novels still feature some white pirate type.

    Blacks have the prowess and power thing. They are seen as loudest, fastest, and fiercest mofos(or the most colorful clowns) on the planet. As US and globo culture revolves around sports, blacks get lots of iconic mileage.When I was young, two athletes I heard of most was Ali and Pele. And Rap music and styles has permeated into every nation. BBC news & entertainment feature black male and white female as the ideal in iconic terms. Black males are seen as toughest males, and white females are seen as best-looking females.

    Long ago, whites feared and suppressed black power, but they’ve come to surrender to it. Civil rights filled whites with ‘guilt’ and awe at MLK’s oratory as black god. And black music and sports filled white guys with worship for blacks — even conservative white guys in college worshiped Walter Payton and Mike Singletary — and white girls with Jungle Fever. One of the most conservative guys I ever met had as his two biggest heroes, Miles Davis and Bob Marley.

    So, white people want blacks to succeed and gain power and become leaders and dominate American society. Ideologically, whites will claim to value everyone equally, but in iconic terms they are smitten with blackness. Subconsciously, they do see blacks as the superior race. It’s like how Romero depicts the Negro in DAWN OF THE DEAD. He has it all together while the white guys eventually lose it one way or another.

    Problem is most blacks tend to be childish, stupid, idiotic, petty, and/or obnoxious. They fail to live up to the iconography of the Magic or Masterful Negro. They may be tough but only on the level of trashy thugs. And many fail in school. This is why whites have to look to Africa to get the cream of the crop. African culture is more conservative and its elites(cream of the crop) are bound to have higher IQs and education. Anyway, whites want blacks to lead and dominate, but blacks fail at this spectacularly because so many of them care more about Air Jordans and ‘twerking’.

    With Asians, it’s the opposite. Yellows and Hindus have no iconic value. To be sure, yellow women have some iconic value as Suzie Wong or ‘me so horny’, but it’s iconography of submission, i.e. yellows are the feminine race that should put out to the superior manlier races. So, American view of yellows is as a people who should follow and serve whites.
    As for Hindus, the guys have some iconic value as ‘Babu’, but this is just clown show. Hindu males are seen as cartoonish merchants or chatty nerds. Amusing but not to be taken seriously. So, whites don’t see Asians as leadership material or forces of domination. At best, the view is that Asians should be ‘model minority’ drones who should just serve Americans. The idea of Asian dorks, nerds, or drones(blander than even white bread) taking leading or elite roles in America seem… just wrong, against natural way of the world.

    But, Asians tend to be more committed to education and pose a real threat to white enrollment, esp at elite colleges. So, the people that whites regard as inferior or worthless(in iconic terms) seem to be gaining too much, far beyond what they should.
    When China was communist China was closed off, yellow entry into US was limited to SK and Taiwan mostly. Also, as Japan became successful and population leveled off, Japanese mostly stayed home. But the Vietnam refugee crisis and opening up of China led to huge movement of peoples.
    As for India, its ‘socialist’ economy didn’t have much to offer to the US until the 90s. But neo-liberalization led to tech boom, and US companies welcomed tons of Hindus to work in Silicon Valley and other tech-financial areas. And this put tremendous pressure on white middle class.

    In a nutshell, whites want to serve blacks, but blacks fall behind; whites want Asians to serve them, but Asians pull ahead. But white males can still get some kind of revenge by taking Asian wombs as Asian-America is smitten with all things white(despite anti-white ideology adopted by many Asians; power of icon is that strong; it’s like even fervent Zionist men marry some blonde ‘shikse’ because they have a Portnoic obsession with its iconic value). But race-mixing will dilute what is unique about the white race, and in the end, all will lose… except blacks.

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  63. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    HS teachers should have to have a bachelor’s in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    Exactly. Get rid of all the quasi-degrees, masters and PhDs from ed schools now restyled “universities.” Insist on real degrees in real subjects.

    Educationalizationators are useless mouths feeding at the public trough and inevitably become part of the Edu-Borg, infecting young minds with the poison of leftist Borg-think.

    We need teachers who are fully qualified in their subjects who will be better at recognizing and respecting/disrespecting qualification (or the lack of it) in others.

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  64. @anarchyst
    I attended a proprietary "electronics school" in the 1960s, (RETS). This Detroit-based school was not a degree-granting institution, but was able to turn out fully competent electrical engineers in TWO YEARS. There were no college "fluff courses" or extras--only 6 hours per day of electrical engineering principles. This school was so respected that ads seeking engineers in the local newspapers would specify college degree or RETS (the name of the school) as a requirement. Engineers who graduated from this school easily procured employment as they could "hit the ground running" and needed very little coaching, unlike many of the internships of today.
    It turns out that this school (now defunct) was actually ahead of its time...

    University engineering departments usually have to provide a wider base of knowledge for their graduates than just taking classes in one field. When I was at UCLA a typical undergraduate engineering student had 2 years of basic classes in calculus, chemistry, computer science (really basic programming), and physics. This was a full load. The 3rd year consisted of the basics for every engineer such as thermodynamics (I wasn’t an engineering school student so didn’t take them). Your 4th year included the specialization such as computer engineering, electrical engineering, civil engineering, …

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    You are correct about today's colleges having to provide remedial math skills to their prospective engineering students. In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level, so that a two-year engineering curriculum was not only possible, but was the norm.
    Regards,
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  65. @27 year old

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don’t vote and don’t breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don’t have a very nice fix.
     
    Damn, easy tiger, the sheeple can't handle that raw truth...

    Your IQ is what? 120,130 tops?

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don't complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

    Don't tell me you're smarter than that. That's not the point, the principle is the same just slide the scale upwards. Whatever your IQ, there will always be people with higher. Especially out a few decades when the überwealthy are able to do gene editing and biotronic augmentations. Even an ultra high natural IQ will be no match. What are you going to say then?

    If you accept the capitalist framework were people are only valuable to the extent they produce/consume, as you seem to be doing, how can you then object when somebody higher up the chart deems you and yours to be "a liability" based on your IQ?

    People of our race are an asset, because they are ours. The first world needs ditch diggers too.

    More of our problems today are coming from the right side of the White/(((white))) bell curve than the left. For 300 plus years 90 IQ Whites bred prodigiously in this country and they voted too, and we still put a man on the moon.

    Mr. 27 says:

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don’t complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

    I say:

    The Germans harnessed the brains of rocket boys at Peenemunde and they kept them bastards at work by interesting means. Read Thomas Pynchon for more details. There are many more 130 IQ people than 180 IQ people, and it is always the 130 IQ crowd who rules over the low IQ morons and the high IQ geniuses.

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  66. @Thomm
    This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as 'white', so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!

    If you think this will not become the status quo, remember that this has already been done twice. In 1900, Irish were not considered 'white' in America. After that, the definition was expanded. In the 50s, Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered white. Then, the definition was expanded. WNs went along with it both times, and pretended that the new status quo was always there.

    Whenever the population of 'whites' in the US drops below 70%, they expand the definition to bring it back up to 80% or so. This has already been done twice before.

    Under the 1890 definition of 'white', only 20% of Americans today are white. But when Asians (both East and South) are reclassified as 'white' (which is already underway, as per this latest observation with Gates), America will be 75-80% white yet again.

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,

    You’ve been reading too much academic nonsense.

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  67. @Luke Lea
    Gates: "Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . ."

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who "works hard and plays by the rules" has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    Agreed, but that sort of economy doesn’t allow for super-billionaires suck as Gates.

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    These are historical facts.
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  68. @Buzz Mohawk

    Bill Gates: "... schools are still falling short..."
     
    Schools don't "fall short." Students do.

    Bill Gates: "... high school graduation rates have gone up..."
     
    Graduation rates tend to measure how easily teachers grade and how eager their administrator-bosses are to pass kids, move them along, and keep their schools "graduation rates" high.

    Gates is an idiot-programmer who made it big because his mother had connections at IBM. He doesn't know anything about education.

    Gates is an idiot-programmer who made it big because his mother had connections at IBM. He doesn’t know anything about education.

    And this is, IME, more the rule than the exception in the Ed Biz policy arena.

    What promotes an idea/program/reform is not its quality of thought/reasoning, or data that it actually achieves what it promises or is claimed to do.

    What promotes it is a concatenation of money/grants, influence, PR/marketing, and how many Ed Biz careers are created by those who push it from the top. Those at the top travel in their own echo chambers. The more lowly careerists will always move to protect their jobs, with the promise of more jobs for graduates of their own ilk who will become their inferiors in the workplace.

    Those who may be hired or promoted to assess educational success learn, often the hard way, that we are expected to bend research to the conclusion of success, or only find failures of the sort that require more programs/money/careers, that pander to the assumptions of those at the top, and that evade or defer actual assessment of outcomes.

    Those who actually, factually, “know anything about education” are generally pushed to one side because real education is harsh and selective. Like, oh, say, evolution.

    That’s the job of a good teacher: to let you know where you stand in relation to other humans and Zen-slap you into taking responsibility for what you’re going to do about your limits and how you’re going to use your strengths.

    By contrast the Ed Biz is hard-wired to produce careers among the otherwise unemployable, self-esteem among those who already possess a surfeit of it, and political power for society’s self-appointed Mommy Class. Above all the Ed Biz must avoid being harsh and selective. Because equality.

    And so people come out of this shirt grinder** even more stupid than when they went in, unable to articulate how and why, in debt and feeling deeply betrayed or seething with entitlement. The best one can hope for is they awaken at some point and realize they were cogs in a vast influence and job creation scheme that benefits everyone but them.

    Then they can go about educating themselves…but find out that the people they were hoping to leapfrog over, such as the non-degreed who have been out working and learning all those years, have a distinct advantage in the real world.

    Venting over. For now.

    **Just because.

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  69. @ThreeCranes
    Gates' estate Xanadu 2.0 is located in Medina, Washington, a small (suburb of Seattle) town of 3000 persons.

    http://priceypads.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/article-2197892-14D1FEF7000005DC-533_634x442.jpeg

    From Wiki,

    "In 2009, Medina installed cameras at intersections along roads entering the city; the cameras are used to capture the license plate number of every car, and a security system automatically notifies local police if the captured number is recorded in a database.[13] Travellers are notified of the presence of the system with signs that read "You Are Entering a 24 Hour Video Surveillance Area"; according to Medina's police chief, all captured information is stored for 60 days even if nothing negative is found in the database, allowing police to mine data if a crime occurs later."

    " The racial makeup of the city was 83.5% White, 0.3% African American, 0.2% Native American, 11.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 0.5% from other races, and 3.8% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.6% of the population."

    11.7% Asian? One would think that he'd have stumbled over one of them somewhere in a town of 3000.

    You don’t just stumble across many people in the back of a limo with tinted windows.

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  70. @Johann Ricke

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,
     
    Works for me. It ain't Hispanics who canonize thugs shot by cops or white guys in self-defense.

    Indeed. They just take our jobs.

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  71. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.

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    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.
     
    Japan is very good at this sort of thing.
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  72. @27 year old

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don’t vote and don’t breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don’t have a very nice fix.
     
    Damn, easy tiger, the sheeple can't handle that raw truth...

    Your IQ is what? 120,130 tops?

    If you want to run with this kind of online hardass ideology, go right ahead, but don't complain when the 150-180ers decide that you are too stupid to breed or vote.

    Don't tell me you're smarter than that. That's not the point, the principle is the same just slide the scale upwards. Whatever your IQ, there will always be people with higher. Especially out a few decades when the überwealthy are able to do gene editing and biotronic augmentations. Even an ultra high natural IQ will be no match. What are you going to say then?

    If you accept the capitalist framework were people are only valuable to the extent they produce/consume, as you seem to be doing, how can you then object when somebody higher up the chart deems you and yours to be "a liability" based on your IQ?

    People of our race are an asset, because they are ours. The first world needs ditch diggers too.

    More of our problems today are coming from the right side of the White/(((white))) bell curve than the left. For 300 plus years 90 IQ Whites bred prodigiously in this country and they voted too, and we still put a man on the moon.

    Well put.

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  73. @MBlanc46
    Agreed, but that sort of economy doesn’t allow for super-billionaires suck as Gates.

    These are historical facts.

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    What facts are you talking about?
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  74. @Thomm
    This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as 'white', so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!

    If you think this will not become the status quo, remember that this has already been done twice. In 1900, Irish were not considered 'white' in America. After that, the definition was expanded. In the 50s, Italians, Jews, and Poles were not considered white. Then, the definition was expanded. WNs went along with it both times, and pretended that the new status quo was always there.

    Whenever the population of 'whites' in the US drops below 70%, they expand the definition to bring it back up to 80% or so. This has already been done twice before.

    Under the 1890 definition of 'white', only 20% of Americans today are white. But when Asians (both East and South) are reclassified as 'white' (which is already underway, as per this latest observation with Gates), America will be 75-80% white yet again.

    Remember, the Texas definition of white is that anyone who is not black, is white,

    This is good news for White Nationalists. Asians are being reclassified as ‘white’, so the percentage of whites in America will suddenly rise. 24 million new white people will be added instantly!

    Dream on. No white nationalist worth his salt will ever classify Asians as “white”. Bill Gates is the opposite of WN, he’s a libtard.

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  75. @MarkinLA
    University engineering departments usually have to provide a wider base of knowledge for their graduates than just taking classes in one field. When I was at UCLA a typical undergraduate engineering student had 2 years of basic classes in calculus, chemistry, computer science (really basic programming), and physics. This was a full load. The 3rd year consisted of the basics for every engineer such as thermodynamics (I wasn't an engineering school student so didn't take them). Your 4th year included the specialization such as computer engineering, electrical engineering, civil engineering, ...

    You are correct about today’s colleges having to provide remedial math skills to their prospective engineering students. In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level, so that a two-year engineering curriculum was not only possible, but was the norm.
    Regards,

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    In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level,

    I am calling BS. Nobody can believe that schools deteriorated so much from the mid 60s to the mid 70s when I was at UCLA that high schools used to teach university level calculus and then stopped. The UCLA engineers took the same calculus series that math and physics majors took, what high schools did teach was usually referred to as precalculus. The second year of calculus for science and engineering majors was multivariable calculus and solving differential equations - definitely NOT something taught in high school.

    You can pretend what you were taught was university level calculus - UCLA even had a single 4 unit (one quarter) course titled Calculus for Life Science Majors - but calculus like the 2 years required of engineering, physics, and math majors it was not.
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  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    Bill Gates is NOT the innovator and all-knowing "smartest guy in the room" by any means.

    Bill Gates' success can be attributed to his purchase of an "operating system" from a REAL software developer.

    Most people are unaware that Bill Gates' "daddy" is part of one of Seattle, Washington's most prestigious law firms.

    Most people are unaware that most of Bill Gates' success came from the tight restrictive "licensing agreements" that were formulated by his daddy's prestigious Seattle Washington law firm. For the longest time, it was almost impossible to purchase a copy of DOS or Windows without also purchasing hardware. This was good marketing and helped to spread the use of his operating system among the masses.

    You see, Bill Gates WAS born with a "silver spoon" in his mouth and as such, he has NO IDEA of the preciousness of human life. To Gates and those of his type, human life is merely a "commodity" to be created and destroyed according to the will of "elites" such as himself and his ilk.

    Bill Gates (and others of his type) are dangerous to humanity as they think that "they have all the answers" and the financial capital to back it up.

    There are still many more of us than of people like him . . . there is still time to "nip this thing in the bud"...

    My impression of those early 1970s computer enthusiasts is that everyone was ‘borrowing’ everybody else’s ideas, and nobody much saw anything wrong with it – at least not until serious money started being made. Didn’t Kildall himself base CP/M off some piece of DEC software?

    Has anyone read Kildall’s unpublished memoirs by the way? We will probably have to wait until Bill Gates dies before they’re finally made public.

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    The basic command set of Unix, CP/M and MS-DOS (PC-DOS) were taken, more or less, from DEC operating systems for the PDP-8. Literally everyone who was anyone was trained on the DEC PDP systems. Alternate sets of commands like those on HP3000 or Control Data/GE/Honeywell machines have died out utterly.

    For years, people like Don Lancaster and Wayne Green have promoted this idea that the microcomputer was this revolutionary device posited by " the electronics hobbyists" in complete opposition to the bad old "computer establishment". From a marketing standpoint there is something to this but from a technical one it is unmitigated horseshit.

    The hobbyists never got as far as replicating the PDP-8 or DG Nova out of the ocean of cheap surplus LSI logic parts before the microprocessor. It was only after people saw "real computer guys" with Datapoint terminals and Intel Intelec development systems anyone decided that they could build something with the 8008 or 8080.

    The Apple 1 and more to the point the Apple II were real achievements, but Steve Wozniak was more than a hobbyist. The IBM PC was a direct response to the Apple II, only with a different processor family and some layout improvements. (They put the keyboard off the chassis and the drives in it, great improvements).
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  77. @Luke Lea
    Gates: "Without success in college or career preparation programs, students will have limited economic mobility . . ."

    This mindset is part of the problem. A society must work with the human material it has. That includes half the population who are below average in their cognitive ability, for whom going to college is not the answer no matter how hard they try or how good the schools they attend. What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who "works hard and plays by the rules" has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    In my opinion a lot of the racial tension in our society would evaporate if that were the case.

    Here is one way that might be achieved, at least for those who are so inclined (which, if you look at the Gallup poll results, includes a disproportionate percentage of the African-American population): https://goo.gl/q4kodC

    What is wanted is a society in which anyone, including those on the left-hand side of the Bell Curve, who “works hard and plays by the rules” has a decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life.

    And who gave away their decent chance to lead a rich and fulfilling life but the same libtards like Gates who want unlimited immigration? The devils are now trying to play God.

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  78. @TomSchmidt
    Plenty of white kids in computer science. One problem is clannishness by South Asians, reported to me by workers still in the field. To wit:once management goes South Asian, everyone afterward who is hired is South Asian.

    Yep. It’s how they roll, the tribe likes to stick together, like that other tribe we know who call themselves God’s chosen people. No wonder they form such a mutual admiration society in SV. Indians are drinking the liberal kool-aid by the bucket. In our local elections Indian female candidates are a dime a dozen and every single last one of them is running as a Democrat, taking after their Jewish masters.

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  79. @Anonymous
    True college education is for the top 20 percent or so of society. The rest are better served by vo-tech education, apprenticeships, or informal on the job training.

    You don't really _need_ a four year college education for many jobs that the law today requires it for or, more commonly, you just don't get considered for without it, except that there is an oversupply of "college graduates" with 95-105 IQs , and the teacher unions and other public service unions have power.

    Besides, many professions would be better served by recruiting from pools of people who have succeeded at paraprofessional or skilled labor ranks. Requiring electrical engineers to be electricians (industrial or commercial/HV, not residential) or electronic techs first, aeronautical engineers to be aircraft mechanics or pilots, and doctors to be paramedics or EMTs or PAs would be good ideas.

    Schools of education, of course, are the 500 pound gorilla with advanced metastatic cancer behind it all. Get rid of these cancers, root and branch. Grade school teachers need to behighschool grads with a year of normal school and an apprenticeship. HS teachers should have to have a bachelor's in something with a little rigor, particularly for science and math. Then, give them a boot camp course in the business of teaching and an internship.

    At the very bottom, we need to face the fact that in a first world society, below 90 IQ people of any race are a liability. Do whatever it takes to see they don't vote and don't breed. Or send them to a third world country where they would be an upgrade to the locals. Harsh? Well, it is. I don't have a very nice fix.

    Agree with every word.

    Even a Computer Science degree is overkill for most jobs in tech today. Many tech companies are founded by people who dropped out of college – Microsoft, Apple, Dell, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, all were founded by college dropouts. Most college computer science curriculum are far too theoretical to be useful in business. Lower level tech jobs like Software Testing and Tech Support do not need a CS degree at all, that’s why Indian outsourcing firms are bringing in millions of underqualified grads of Indian diploma mills to do these jobs. We need to make them train our HS grads who don’t want to go to college to do these jobs, instead of allowing them to keep importing these South Asian scam artists, who continue to bill themselves as “highly skilled”, while our tech illiterate immigration loving media and politicians gleefully repeat the lie.

    Also agree about School of Education. Most of the elementary school teachers and a lot of middle school teachers now are Education majors. Most are people who flunk Algebra II in high school, dumb as door knobs. I lost count how many of my kids’ elementary teachers start the class each year by telling the class math is their least favorite subject. Why do they need to tell the kids that? By 1st grade my kid was already doing higher level math than his teacher, who couldn’t muster a long division or even remembered her multiplication table. And then we wonder why our kids can’t do math?

    Middle school and high school teachers need to major in the subject they teach, not Education. My kids have had art majors teaching them English who allow them to submit drawings in place of writing assignments, to showcase their “creativity”; Education majors and PE majors teaching them Middle School history which is basically all about slavery and native American “genocide”. Some of their HS math and science teachers could barely speak English. Then we wonder why our HS grads are so dumb. And we live in a majority white/asian suburb with supposedly good schools.

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    Most college computer science curriculum are far too theoretical to be useful in business.

    Because most of the crap programming is just apps of some crappy device. There used to be a time when you did need to worry about efficiency in an algorithm, the amount of memory you used, and how your algorithms and data structures were related. You spent hours and hours going over these issues to make sure that given the limited resources, your program would fit in the device and complete it's run in the allotted time.

    When I went to UCLA in 75 most of my second class in computer science was spent learning about memory swapping algorithms for disk drives in large mainframes - this was a big deal. Companies like Timeshare which sold computer time to small companies on their mainframes needed to reduce the CPU idle time to make more money. Timeshare is long gone.
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  80. @JimB
    I wonder how Bill Gates would score on the SAT, today. He talks like his M+V would be at least a standard deviation lower than it was in 1977. I doubt he could even get to the end of a Gates Foundation charitable giving report in a single sitting.

    It's a sad fact that the human brain dehydrates with age.

    Bill Gates, unless he has some super-duper secret life, is the most pathetic billionaire ever, the past 15 years or so.

    Getting lead around by the nose by Melinda in her global virtue signaling.

    He doesn’t look miserable, though, just sort of dully insensate, almost imbecilic. Maybe he does have some early onset dementia.

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    Bill Gates is comfortably numb.
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  81. Bill Gates looks pretty rough for 62. Diet Cokes and Big Macs really might not be that advisable as a daily regimen.

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  82. @MBlanc46
    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.

    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.

    Japan is very good at this sort of thing.

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    There’s a lot that we could learn from Japan.
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  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    My impression of those early 1970s computer enthusiasts is that everyone was 'borrowing' everybody else's ideas, and nobody much saw anything wrong with it - at least not until serious money started being made. Didn't Kildall himself base CP/M off some piece of DEC software?

    Has anyone read Kildall's unpublished memoirs by the way? We will probably have to wait until Bill Gates dies before they're finally made public.

    The basic command set of Unix, CP/M and MS-DOS (PC-DOS) were taken, more or less, from DEC operating systems for the PDP-8. Literally everyone who was anyone was trained on the DEC PDP systems. Alternate sets of commands like those on HP3000 or Control Data/GE/Honeywell machines have died out utterly.

    For years, people like Don Lancaster and Wayne Green have promoted this idea that the microcomputer was this revolutionary device posited by ” the electronics hobbyists” in complete opposition to the bad old “computer establishment”. From a marketing standpoint there is something to this but from a technical one it is unmitigated horseshit.

    The hobbyists never got as far as replicating the PDP-8 or DG Nova out of the ocean of cheap surplus LSI logic parts before the microprocessor. It was only after people saw “real computer guys” with Datapoint terminals and Intel Intelec development systems anyone decided that they could build something with the 8008 or 8080.

    The Apple 1 and more to the point the Apple II were real achievements, but Steve Wozniak was more than a hobbyist. The IBM PC was a direct response to the Apple II, only with a different processor family and some layout improvements. (They put the keyboard off the chassis and the drives in it, great improvements).

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  84. @anarchyst
    You are correct about today's colleges having to provide remedial math skills to their prospective engineering students. In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level, so that a two-year engineering curriculum was not only possible, but was the norm.
    Regards,

    In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level,

    I am calling BS. Nobody can believe that schools deteriorated so much from the mid 60s to the mid 70s when I was at UCLA that high schools used to teach university level calculus and then stopped. The UCLA engineers took the same calculus series that math and physics majors took, what high schools did teach was usually referred to as precalculus. The second year of calculus for science and engineering majors was multivariable calculus and solving differential equations – definitely NOT something taught in high school.

    You can pretend what you were taught was university level calculus – UCLA even had a single 4 unit (one quarter) course titled Calculus for Life Science Majors – but calculus like the 2 years required of engineering, physics, and math majors it was not.

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    You may not believe me,but it is FACT.
    Of course, public schools were well-behind parochial schools in academics, even in the 1960s. I can attest to college-level calculus being taught in Catholic schools of the day, as I am a product of early 1960s Catholic education...
    The first two years of today's college "education" was taught in the two final years of Catholic high schools.
    Yes, today's public high school "education" would be equal to a 1960s 7th or 8th grade Catholic education.
    , @MBlanc46
    At my high school in the Chicago suburbs, they started offering geometry to freshmen (and algebra in eighth grade) and a semester of calculus to seniors in about 1960.
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  85. @Anon2000
    Agree with every word.

    Even a Computer Science degree is overkill for most jobs in tech today. Many tech companies are founded by people who dropped out of college - Microsoft, Apple, Dell, Oracle, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, all were founded by college dropouts. Most college computer science curriculum are far too theoretical to be useful in business. Lower level tech jobs like Software Testing and Tech Support do not need a CS degree at all, that's why Indian outsourcing firms are bringing in millions of underqualified grads of Indian diploma mills to do these jobs. We need to make them train our HS grads who don't want to go to college to do these jobs, instead of allowing them to keep importing these South Asian scam artists, who continue to bill themselves as "highly skilled", while our tech illiterate immigration loving media and politicians gleefully repeat the lie.

    Also agree about School of Education. Most of the elementary school teachers and a lot of middle school teachers now are Education majors. Most are people who flunk Algebra II in high school, dumb as door knobs. I lost count how many of my kids' elementary teachers start the class each year by telling the class math is their least favorite subject. Why do they need to tell the kids that? By 1st grade my kid was already doing higher level math than his teacher, who couldn't muster a long division or even remembered her multiplication table. And then we wonder why our kids can't do math?

    Middle school and high school teachers need to major in the subject they teach, not Education. My kids have had art majors teaching them English who allow them to submit drawings in place of writing assignments, to showcase their "creativity"; Education majors and PE majors teaching them Middle School history which is basically all about slavery and native American "genocide". Some of their HS math and science teachers could barely speak English. Then we wonder why our HS grads are so dumb. And we live in a majority white/asian suburb with supposedly good schools.

    Most college computer science curriculum are far too theoretical to be useful in business.

    Because most of the crap programming is just apps of some crappy device. There used to be a time when you did need to worry about efficiency in an algorithm, the amount of memory you used, and how your algorithms and data structures were related. You spent hours and hours going over these issues to make sure that given the limited resources, your program would fit in the device and complete it’s run in the allotted time.

    When I went to UCLA in 75 most of my second class in computer science was spent learning about memory swapping algorithms for disk drives in large mainframes – this was a big deal. Companies like Timeshare which sold computer time to small companies on their mainframes needed to reduce the CPU idle time to make more money. Timeshare is long gone.

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  86. @MarkinLA
    In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level,

    I am calling BS. Nobody can believe that schools deteriorated so much from the mid 60s to the mid 70s when I was at UCLA that high schools used to teach university level calculus and then stopped. The UCLA engineers took the same calculus series that math and physics majors took, what high schools did teach was usually referred to as precalculus. The second year of calculus for science and engineering majors was multivariable calculus and solving differential equations - definitely NOT something taught in high school.

    You can pretend what you were taught was university level calculus - UCLA even had a single 4 unit (one quarter) course titled Calculus for Life Science Majors - but calculus like the 2 years required of engineering, physics, and math majors it was not.

    You may not believe me,but it is FACT.
    Of course, public schools were well-behind parochial schools in academics, even in the 1960s. I can attest to college-level calculus being taught in Catholic schools of the day, as I am a product of early 1960s Catholic education…
    The first two years of today’s college “education” was taught in the two final years of Catholic high schools.
    Yes, today’s public high school “education” would be equal to a 1960s 7th or 8th grade Catholic education.

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  87. @anonguy

    Or, bring back elevator operators and other sorts of low-skill jobs that have been mechanized or automated out of existence.
     
    Japan is very good at this sort of thing.

    There’s a lot that we could learn from Japan.

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  88. @MarkinLA
    In my day, much college-level math was taught at the high school level,

    I am calling BS. Nobody can believe that schools deteriorated so much from the mid 60s to the mid 70s when I was at UCLA that high schools used to teach university level calculus and then stopped. The UCLA engineers took the same calculus series that math and physics majors took, what high schools did teach was usually referred to as precalculus. The second year of calculus for science and engineering majors was multivariable calculus and solving differential equations - definitely NOT something taught in high school.

    You can pretend what you were taught was university level calculus - UCLA even had a single 4 unit (one quarter) course titled Calculus for Life Science Majors - but calculus like the 2 years required of engineering, physics, and math majors it was not.

    At my high school in the Chicago suburbs, they started offering geometry to freshmen (and algebra in eighth grade) and a semester of calculus to seniors in about 1960.

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    There is calculus and there is real calculus. Just like I posted, UCLA also had a class in calculus for life science majors but it was nothing like the mathematical rigor in the series math, physics, and engineering majors took. They show you what a derivative and an intregral is an give you some simple examples. That is the extent of it but it doesn't go very deep.

    The difference is like a taking classes in statistics and classes in probability theory.
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  89. @Thomm
    These are historical facts.

    What facts are you talking about?

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  90. @MBlanc46
    At my high school in the Chicago suburbs, they started offering geometry to freshmen (and algebra in eighth grade) and a semester of calculus to seniors in about 1960.

    There is calculus and there is real calculus. Just like I posted, UCLA also had a class in calculus for life science majors but it was nothing like the mathematical rigor in the series math, physics, and engineering majors took. They show you what a derivative and an intregral is an give you some simple examples. That is the extent of it but it doesn’t go very deep.

    The difference is like a taking classes in statistics and classes in probability theory.

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    It’s been a long time, and it was only one semester, but my recollection is that we learned to differentiate and to integrate. I do not know whether calculus was ever adopted for the top seniors.
    , @MarkinLA
    The point I am trying to make is that you can take a class that gives you definitions and some practical use of the information and you can take classes that go from the basics to proofs that form the basis of the practical level.

    Simple calculus classes are not the same as the rigor of the mathematics major calculus series that physics and engineering majors take. The math series lays the necessary foundation through the concepts of infinity, limits, and all the proofs needed to get to the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus and beyond such as multivariable calculus.

    Now an engineer may never, in his entire career, need to understand the mathematics at that level but people saying they took math at that level in high school just do not really understand the difference in what was being taught.
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  91. @MarkinLA
    There is calculus and there is real calculus. Just like I posted, UCLA also had a class in calculus for life science majors but it was nothing like the mathematical rigor in the series math, physics, and engineering majors took. They show you what a derivative and an intregral is an give you some simple examples. That is the extent of it but it doesn't go very deep.

    The difference is like a taking classes in statistics and classes in probability theory.

    It’s been a long time, and it was only one semester, but my recollection is that we learned to differentiate and to integrate. I do not know whether calculus was ever adopted for the top seniors.

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    In a high school where average means “White average,” the four year math sequence is algebra, geometry, pre-calc. (formerly known as analytic geometry), followed by calculus during senior year.
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  92. @MarkinLA
    There is calculus and there is real calculus. Just like I posted, UCLA also had a class in calculus for life science majors but it was nothing like the mathematical rigor in the series math, physics, and engineering majors took. They show you what a derivative and an intregral is an give you some simple examples. That is the extent of it but it doesn't go very deep.

    The difference is like a taking classes in statistics and classes in probability theory.

    The point I am trying to make is that you can take a class that gives you definitions and some practical use of the information and you can take classes that go from the basics to proofs that form the basis of the practical level.

    Simple calculus classes are not the same as the rigor of the mathematics major calculus series that physics and engineering majors take. The math series lays the necessary foundation through the concepts of infinity, limits, and all the proofs needed to get to the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus and beyond such as multivariable calculus.

    Now an engineer may never, in his entire career, need to understand the mathematics at that level but people saying they took math at that level in high school just do not really understand the difference in what was being taught.

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  93. @anonguy
    Bill Gates, unless he has some super-duper secret life, is the most pathetic billionaire ever, the past 15 years or so.

    Getting lead around by the nose by Melinda in her global virtue signaling.

    He doesn't look miserable, though, just sort of dully insensate, almost imbecilic. Maybe he does have some early onset dementia.

    Bill Gates is comfortably numb.

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  94. @MBlanc46
    It’s been a long time, and it was only one semester, but my recollection is that we learned to differentiate and to integrate. I do not know whether calculus was ever adopted for the top seniors.

    In a high school where average means “White average,” the four year math sequence is algebra, geometry, pre-calc. (formerly known as analytic geometry), followed by calculus during senior year.

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