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With Bill Gates in the news for announcing he and his wife Melinda, who got married on 1/1/1994 are getting divorced, I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

Back in 1988, my wife and I were staying with a couple in Seattle. The husband used to work for me, but he’d gotten a great job at Microsoft. My wife asked his wife, “What shall we do tomorrow?” The poor girl broke into tears: “We can’t do anything with you. We have to go skydiving with Bill Gates and we’re going to die!”

It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children. But she had refused unless he could find another woman who would jump out of plane with her. So Gates looked through the list of new hires to find an ambitious married man (thus launching my friend’s fabulous career at Microsoft).

I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.

 
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  1. That is the saddest thing I ever heard.

    In 1994 dollars it would be peanuts to get a parachute-packer to futz up the lines and we’d all be living in a different world now.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Franz

    In addition to the fact that it would be horribly wrong, anyone who did that would be caught in a New York minute.

    Replies: @Franz

    , @Liza
    @Franz

    Yes, I guess it is not impossible to find someone who will mis-pack a main parachute. However, military parachutists/sport parachutists/skydivers/tandem masters don't jump without a reserve and no skydiving joint would ever allow a beginner to jump without one. A reserve chute (packed with much TLC) must be packed by a certified rigger and a log is kept. Not easy to get away with mis-packing a reserve.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  2. Lmaooooo that’s hilarious. Who knew Sailer was so cutthroat?

    Imo it was a big red flag that Melinda demanded another female be present before she would skydive. A really good woman wouldn’t need the validation or comfort of other women to do something her man wanted.

    Tbh Bill was always in a very unfortunate position when it came to love and marriage. He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who’s not simply a gold digger? He was still anonymous enough then to get by pretending to not be loaded, but then what else did he have going for him? He is a funny looking nerd. His money is 99.9% of what would draw a woman to him..

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who’s not simply a gold digger?

    Family reunion. Set your cap on your 2d cousin.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @DextersLabRat
    @AndrewR

    She should've told him to fuck off. Who the hell forces someone to do such a risky and stressful thing to find out if they're "the one"? What kind of stupid logic is that? These tech guys may have high IQs but they're a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @black sea

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @AndrewR

    Whiskey made that very point here on I-Steve years ago.

    I haven’t seen his posts lately- is “Whiskey” still commenting here?

    Replies: @JMcG

  3. Do you remember where they went to jump? There is a really cool private (paved) strip south of Seattle called Kapowsin. It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier so had spectacular views for the jumpers. There was some affair going on with a jumper and some guy who lived there’s wife, so he made big noise complaints to someone and got the place shut down, and they had to move across the Sound to Shelton – a nice place to jump but 100 miles from Seattle.

    There was lots of skydiving at Harvey field to the north – Snohomish. It was a short strip though with not much landing area, so the non-experienced jumpers had to land a ways away and get a ride back. One time a plane wrecked into the house of the owners …

    Your story makes Bill Gates into something of a weirdo even back in the 1990s. Are you saying he roped the ambitious new hire guy into forcing his wife to go jump?

    The fact is, the jumping part is pretty safe, even though when that door opens your instincts will always tell you clearly that you are being very stupid. However, the airplanes are sometimes a different story. The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: “Man, I don’t think it’s a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!” “Don’t worry, guys, you’re not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.”

    Here’s another fun one: “What happens if the altimeter sticks?” “Just pull when the people look like ants. If the ants looks like people, you’re too low.”

    • LOL: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The final report just came out on the recent fatal accident of the plane used by the Irish Parachute Club. The pilot, along with the 7 year old son of one of the skydivers, died in the crash. It was a classic stall-spin on the turn from base to final. The jumpers aren’t always the craziest people at a skydiving center.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @mmack
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “ The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: “Man, I don’t think it’s a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!” “Don’t worry, guys, you’re not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.””

    Reminds me of a scene from the movie The Spirit of St. Louis. Jimmy Stewart as Charles Lindbergh is trying to convince a group of farmers and townspeople to pay him for airplane rides back in his barnstorming days. He says something like (doing this from memory) “Don’t worry folks, this airplane is completely safe.”
    Farmer in the crowd: “What if the engine fails?”
    Lindbergh: “Don’t worry, you get a parachute. You jump out of the plane, pull the chord, float back to Earth like a feather.”
    Farmer in the crowd: “Well what if the parachute fails?”
    Lindbergh: “Then you get double your money back.” 😄

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That reminds me of the Cheers skydiving episode. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the part where the pilot fakes a mayday to get Cliff and Norm to jump.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bh1EJx8lpIc

    I jumped at Shelton once when I was in my early 20s - coincidentally with coworkers. That is something I have no desire to do ever again. I almost had a heart attack in my 20s. Climb Rainier, yes. Jump from the same height? Not a chance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier.

    15 nano-meters is pretty close, do you always travel with your electron microscope?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones, @Graham

  4. CEO of Zoom Says He Has Zoom Fatigue

    Eric Yuan, the CEO of Zoom, told a virtual audience of The Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council Summit Tuesday that he had personally experienced Zoom fatigue. On one day last year, he said he had 19 Zoom meetings in a row.

    “I’m so tired of that,” Mr. Yuan said, adding that he no longer books back-to-back Zoom calls. “I do have meeting fatigue.”

    [MORE]

    Jamie Dimon, chairman and CEO of JPMorgan, said more of his employees will return to the office starting this month, though he acknowledged they aren’t all happy about it. Remote work doesn’t work well for generating new ideas, preserving corporate culture and competing for clients—or “for those who want to hustle,” Mr. Dimon said, adding he has been back in the office for months.

    “I’m about to cancel all my Zoom meetings,” he said. “I’m done with it.”

    JPMorgan is phasing workers back into offices this spring and summer. “Yes, people don’t like commuting, but so what?” he said.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-the-ceo-of-zoom-says-he-has-zoom-fatigue-11620151459

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Polistra

    He thinks he's got problems - he should talk to Jeffrey Toobin.

  5. I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It’s definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the “alt-right”: that measurement scale doesn’t replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton’s laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It’s worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin’s observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman’s obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper’s Red for the first time? It’s the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    • Replies: @Paulbe
    @Pat Hannagan

    Some of you Americans may remember this band as Angel City.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Pat Hannagan

    Pat Hannagan asked:


    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score?
     
    Someone who is mentally insane.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Pat Hannagan


    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score?
     
    An engineer.

    Replies: @RSDB

    , @Anonymous
    @Pat Hannagan

    Women the world over put men through "[email protected]#$ tests" to see that they are not simpering puppydogs.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Pat Hannagan

    Each test was probably pass/fail.

  6. Great anecdote, with extra resonance because around that time, Bill Gates was the butt of the “world’s smartest man” joke about parachuting from a doomed plane (an old joke: someone told me Henry Kissinger was the butt of it in the ‘70s.).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I seem to remember some joke about the whore that that British actor was with and the punchline being Micro soft. (And yeah, I've still heard the parachute joke with reference to Kissinger.)

    The other thing is I seem to remember some story about Gates traveling in coach class. When did that stop?

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Dave Pinsen

    I only heard the Kissinger version.
    It worked better with Kissinger, whose ego knew no limits.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  7. Would’ve saved Bill a lot of nagging, and now wealth, if he had picked another woman for wife material. “I’ll do it if another woman does it, too” should have sent off warning bells.

  8. Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest

    There’s no substitute for a long and happy marriage of people who genuinely enjoy each other’s company…no tests, no tricks needed to get there

    And it didn’t work, because rumor has it Bill had to buy one daughter into college…and his other daughter is marrying…a supremely nice but Egyptian guy…so..success in children is past any Test you can run on your spouse

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts wrote:


    Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest
     
    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    But I've never heard a STEM guy say "Bill Gates invented __________."

    Gates is a savvy negotiator, marketer, etc. No doubt has an IQ above average.

    But does anyone know anything Gates has contributed to technology?

    For comparison: I once had an office-mate who was the guy who invented TTL logic (Jim Buie). I also worked with the inventor of the Lange coupler (Julius Lange). Both very, very nice fellows and, of course, pretty bright. Bill Gates is not in their class.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon

  9. Also his ‘tests’ are inherently stupid because any Meghan Markle worthy gold-digger would pass

    Tests = Jumping Through Hoops

    Jumping Through Hoops = Doing what Your Told in order to achieve Success

    Doing what Your Told To Achieve Success = Not An Independent Thinker, No Moral Backbone (possibly, not always)

    And not an independent thinker, doing what your told, and no moral backbone leads to your youngest daughter effectively becoming engaged to a black dude

    OH I SAID IT!

  10. In the late 1830s (according to Adrian Desmond and James Moore’s biography) Darwin scribbled a cost-benefit of getting married (to a cousin, Emma Wedgwood). Parachuting prowess was not an item. But ‘For Marry’ factors were (more or less verbatim): children (“if it Please God” – it did, 9 times); constant companion; object to be beloved and played with (“better than a dog anyhow”); home and someone to take care of the house; charms of music and female chit-chat (“these things good for one’s health – but a terrible loss of time”).
    ‘Not marry’ considerations were: freedom to go where one liked; conversation of clever men at clubs; not forced to visit relatives “and to bend to every trifle”; expense and anxiety of children; loss of time; fatness and idleness; anxiety and responsibility; less money for books etc; perhaps my wife won’t like London (“then the sentence is banishment”)
    Darwin went for it/Emma (“an angel and had money”): “Marry-Marry-Marry QED” over becoming “a neuter bee”.

  11. anonymous[515] • Disclaimer says:

    Bill Gates’s girlfriend wouldn’t skydive with him unless another woman joined them on the jump. Your ambitious married man friend agreed to be the second woman.

    I’m confused.

    • LOL: Spect3r
  12. Young weirdoes on Twitter tell me that the Gates divorce, like the Bezos, is a ploy to skirt tax laws. I’ve been wondering what the mature and sensible Unz commentariat thinks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    I’ve been wondering what the mature and sensible Unz commentariat thinks.
     
    Cheat on your taxes as much as you can get away with. Our Founders thank you from their graves.

    Sensible enough for you? ;-}

    Disclaimer: I am not a tax attorney, though I've played one on TV the internet.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    My greatest loss-of-faith in the institution of marriage occurred when Toni Tennille served papers on Daryl Dragon.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=captain+%26+tennille+love+will+keep+us+together&docid=608022877917314023&mid=396B029F2621629434E2396B029F2621629434E2&view=detail&FORM=VRAASM&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dyoutube%2Blove%2Bwill%2Bkeep%2Bus%2Btogether%26qpvt%3Dyoutube%2Blove%2Bwill%2Bkeep%2Bus%2Btogether%26FORM%3DVDRE

  13. OT – Nicholas Wade says in precis “the Wuhan lab, trained and funded by the US, probably created (using techniques learned in the US) and (inadvertantly) released Covid19“.

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    Because President Trump said the virus had escaped from a Wuhan lab, editors gave the idea little credence. They joined the virologists in regarding lab escape as a dismissible conspiracy theory. During the Trump Administration, they had no trouble in rejecting the position of the intelligence services that lab escape could not be ruled out. But when Avril Haines, President Biden’s director of National Intelligence, said the same thing, she too was largely ignored. This is not to argue that editors should have endorsed the lab escape scenario, merely that they should have explored the possibility fully and fairly.

    Fauci gets quite a pasting but so do others. The people who funded this work with taxpayer dollars got a load more taxpayer cash in August 2020!

    This man, until recently the top adviser to the British Prime Minister, predicted it in 2019.

    https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That's a really great article.

  14. All said, Gates’ weird ideas about marriage material women don’t, I think, have much to do with his divorce.

    After 3-4-… decades of marriage, couples fall into three, sometimes intersecting categories:

    1. they still love each other (of course, the profile of love changes over time)

    2. they become indifferent, simply cease to care

    3. they begin to dislike each other, sometimes dislike growing into hatred

    True, frequently there is a 3rd person involved (lover, mistress, ….), sex, newly found “love”/infatuation- but not necessarily.

    But, in many cases, if a married couple can financially afford it, “gray divorce” just happens. One cannot choose if he will fall in love (including such crazy ideas as Gates’). Nor if he/she will fall out of love for no reason.

    It just happens, whether you are mentally stable & mature, or not.

  15. Surely the husband pressured his wife, without letting Gates know she was reluctant. Right?

  16. JMcG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Do you remember where they went to jump? There is a really cool private (paved) strip south of Seattle called Kapowsin. It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier so had spectacular views for the jumpers. There was some affair going on with a jumper and some guy who lived there's wife, so he made big noise complaints to someone and got the place shut down, and they had to move across the Sound to Shelton - a nice place to jump but 100 miles from Seattle.

    There was lots of skydiving at Harvey field to the north - Snohomish. It was a short strip though with not much landing area, so the non-experienced jumpers had to land a ways away and get a ride back. One time a plane wrecked into the house of the owners ...

    Your story makes Bill Gates into something of a weirdo even back in the 1990s. Are you saying he roped the ambitious new hire guy into forcing his wife to go jump?

    The fact is, the jumping part is pretty safe, even though when that door opens your instincts will always tell you clearly that you are being very stupid. However, the airplanes are sometimes a different story. The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: "Man, I don't think it's a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!" "Don't worry, guys, you're not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane."

    Here's another fun one: "What happens if the altimeter sticks?" "Just pull when the people look like ants. If the ants looks like people, you're too low."

    Replies: @JMcG, @mmack, @Anonymous Jew, @Bill Jones

    The final report just came out on the recent fatal accident of the plane used by the Irish Parachute Club. The pilot, along with the 7 year old son of one of the skydivers, died in the crash. It was a classic stall-spin on the turn from base to final. The jumpers aren’t always the craziest people at a skydiving center.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JMcG

    Oh, on the way down and with a kid. That's tragic. There was a King Air in Virginia a long time ago that did a hard pull-up on the initial climb-out as the jumpers want a fun ride. Accelerated stall... something like a dozen were killed.

  17. Anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    Nicholas Wade is back, with a new Medium blog, and a long post that seem to be an improved version of the big New York Magazine cover story about the Wuhan virus lab escape theory, but done in Wadesque clear, scientific style, rather than the novelistic style that the novelist writer did for New York.

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-

    Wade is my favorite science writer because he has resisted the Zimmeresque trend to make everything into a “narrative” describing people’s cinematic struggles. Wade just gives you the facts, in an easy to digest and understand way.

  18. That’s not a bad idea, really. I mean, I guess it isn’t uncommon for mates to test each other but that’s certainly an unconventional one. What were some of his other tests?

  19. More proof status and position gets the girls. The sperg known as Bill Gates should have felt lucky to land a female with a lazy eye and a limp.

    What are the chances Gates winds up with a middle aged, coal burning ex-wife of an NBA player?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mike Tre


    What are the chances Gates winds up with a middle aged, coal burning ex-wife of an NBA player?
     
    I'm thinking he would end up having a lot more fun then he has for the last 20 years.
  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    Do you remember where they went to jump? There is a really cool private (paved) strip south of Seattle called Kapowsin. It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier so had spectacular views for the jumpers. There was some affair going on with a jumper and some guy who lived there's wife, so he made big noise complaints to someone and got the place shut down, and they had to move across the Sound to Shelton - a nice place to jump but 100 miles from Seattle.

    There was lots of skydiving at Harvey field to the north - Snohomish. It was a short strip though with not much landing area, so the non-experienced jumpers had to land a ways away and get a ride back. One time a plane wrecked into the house of the owners ...

    Your story makes Bill Gates into something of a weirdo even back in the 1990s. Are you saying he roped the ambitious new hire guy into forcing his wife to go jump?

    The fact is, the jumping part is pretty safe, even though when that door opens your instincts will always tell you clearly that you are being very stupid. However, the airplanes are sometimes a different story. The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: "Man, I don't think it's a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!" "Don't worry, guys, you're not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane."

    Here's another fun one: "What happens if the altimeter sticks?" "Just pull when the people look like ants. If the ants looks like people, you're too low."

    Replies: @JMcG, @mmack, @Anonymous Jew, @Bill Jones

    “ The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: “Man, I don’t think it’s a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!” “Don’t worry, guys, you’re not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane.””

    Reminds me of a scene from the movie The Spirit of St. Louis. Jimmy Stewart as Charles Lindbergh is trying to convince a group of farmers and townspeople to pay him for airplane rides back in his barnstorming days. He says something like (doing this from memory) “Don’t worry folks, this airplane is completely safe.”
    Farmer in the crowd: “What if the engine fails?”
    Lindbergh: “Don’t worry, you get a parachute. You jump out of the plane, pull the chord, float back to Earth like a feather.”
    Farmer in the crowd: “Well what if the parachute fails?”
    Lindbergh: “Then you get double your money back.” 😄

  21. All that and no pre-nup…….not the world’s smartest man.

  22. But she had refused unless he could find another woman who would jump out of plane with her.

    See, even then the women were wearing the pants in his relationships.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @black sea

    Zing!

    ___________________________________________________________________________________


    So Gates looked through the list of new hires to find an ambitious married man...
     
    He should have looked through the wife resume list and found someone who had skydived already; or free soloed; or equestrian-ed, they tend to be ballsy (heh heh).
  23. @black sea

    But she had refused unless he could find another woman who would jump out of plane with her.
     
    See, even then the women were wearing the pants in his relationships.

    Replies: @bomag

    Zing!

    ___________________________________________________________________________________

    So Gates looked through the list of new hires to find an ambitious married man…

    He should have looked through the wife resume list and found someone who had skydived already; or free soloed; or equestrian-ed, they tend to be ballsy (heh heh).

  24. My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too…….

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @theMann

    "My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner...."

    I'm guessing, "Okay, honey, will do! Where's the nearest geek?" wouldn't have gotten me a ring.

    , @Truth
    @theMann


    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too…….
     
    Safeway hasn't moved into your county yet, Grizzly Adams?

    Replies: @theMann

    , @Bill P
    @theMann

    I saw an Eastern European reality TV show where the (good looking) ladies did just that, for a heavy, graying, middle aged Polish guy with a gold chain.

    To be fair it was more of a country show -- no city folk involved. There are probably still a few of those types of women left in flyover America, but you won't find them within 100 miles of a major city.

  25. What a romantic guy Bill Gates sounds like. Good grief. I’d say giving tests of manhood is something a woman should do towards a man, not the other way around.

    He could’ve weighted things like attraction, desire, and the way he feels around the woman a little more. Why, maybe even feminine qualities! This modern trend of looking for a woman who will be your “partner” needs a second look. You aren’t quite looking for a bro to roll with.

  26. If humanity only had known then what we know now, maybe someone woulda stuffed Bill’s chute for him, so he wouldn’t have been so busy stuffing humanity’s all this time.

    • LOL: Bill Jones
  27. I met Gates at a buffet hosted by multiple software companies in one of the less flashy hotels at Comdex. All the rising bigwigs were in circulation the early 80s, including Steve Jobs, Scott McNealy and many notable and outspoken software characters whose ships would run aground in later years.

    Two things about Bill stood out: his greasy hair and he wiped his mouth with his tie. A wife, still years down the road, had her work cut out for her just making him presentable. In spite of her best efforts, he still had a reputation for bad grooming through the 90s and it remains to be seen if he reverts back to his natural state.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Marat

    Your Gates' manner recollection seems incongruous coming as he does from a long-wealthy, several generations of it, family.
    His parents fucked up.

  28. This is weird, but now I have to trot out my own Bill Gates anecdote from 1988:

    Back then I was still wearing glasses, before the now stone-aged miracle of radial keratotomy made them unnecessary. I was picking up a new pair at an optical shop in Boulder when, out of the blue, the woman behind the counter asked me, “Do you know who Bill Gates is?”

    I explained that he owned a company that wrote programs that ran on small computers.

    She said, to paraphrase, “Oh. Well, yesterday there was a girl picking out new glasses here who was all giddy and happy. She said she was getting married to Bill Gates.”

    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve’s story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker. I’ve never figured it out.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I wonder if that was the girl in Steve’s story and that she failed the skydiving test.
     
    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Windows_Error_Msg.jpg
    , @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk


    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve’s story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker
     
    I'd say stalker.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, the girl bought the glasses, saw how nerdy Gates looked and opted out of the marriage.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  29. Bill Gates created a successful company had many children got his wife to agree to a one sided open relationship and is a progressive anti racist

    That tells you something right there

  30. Both had already passed the test of putting up with his hygiene. Mad Magazine once did a series of panels on him depicting him accompanied by flies. I think it was Roger Rosenblatt who wrote an essay for Time around about then recalling the occasion he’d met ‘the billionaire with the incredible BO problem’ and the minions following him about ‘all breathing through their mouths’. “People who’ve covered him will know who I mean”.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Marat
    @Art Deco

    That’s what I was referring to without saying it explicitly. Odd that he seemed unfazed by both subtle and obviously pointed cues.

    , @tr
    @Art Deco

    Strange. I've heard that Steve Jobs also had hygiene issues.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  31. This divorce is a tip off something is going down soon.

    They know something we don’t.

    The divorce gives them legal cover to move and shield assets.

  32. Earlier in my career I worked with some guys who attended business school with Melinda. Their descriptions of her ambition and gold-digging were not flattering. She apparently chased and subsequently caught the richest guy in the class who showered her with gifts, including a BMW.

    I say richest, because one of my colleagues was likely far wealthier than her beau.

  33. “It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.”

    And there I was thinking I was being daring and suave taking the cute 🥰 blonde I was dating for a buzz above the suburbs in a Cessna way back when. There’s always the one guy who has to one up everybody, isn’t there?

    I guess the question is was nerdy into skydiving before this story and this was a true test of compatibility, or was Billy Boy thinking “What’s the craziest thing I can ask her to do? I know: SKYDIVING!” as a loyalty test?

    In closing, just think Steve, had you and Mrs. Sailer joined them, you could be Director of Marketing and Market Research at Microsoft today. But then we’d never see your posts.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @mmack


    In closing, just think Steve, had you and Mrs. Sailer joined them, you could be Director of Marketing and Market Research at Microsoft today. But then we’d never see your posts.
     
    But think how different Windows would be if Steve was in charge of marketing. Everyone would be able to buy a customised version to match their IQ, height and taste in golf course architecture.
  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is weird, but now I have to trot out my own Bill Gates anecdote from 1988:

    Back then I was still wearing glasses, before the now stone-aged miracle of radial keratotomy made them unnecessary. I was picking up a new pair at an optical shop in Boulder when, out of the blue, the woman behind the counter asked me, "Do you know who Bill Gates is?"

    I explained that he owned a company that wrote programs that ran on small computers.

    She said, to paraphrase, "Oh. Well, yesterday there was a girl picking out new glasses here who was all giddy and happy. She said she was getting married to Bill Gates."

    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve's story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker. I've never figured it out.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rob McX, @Buffalo Joe

    I wonder if that was the girl in Steve’s story and that she failed the skydiving test.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • LOL: BenKenobi
  35. If the Numf**k Nerd didn’t have “Must look like real life Jessica Rabbit,” on his Caucasian Board who cares?

    Melindo has a nose like Jimmy Durante.

    Now that I think about it, why does gates still wear glasses? Can’t afford laser eye surgery?

  36. Mildly amusing how Bill Gates looks the same but older while his wife who used to look about a 7.5, now looks swollen faced and bizarre. For sure she has been running the Gates Foundation.

  37. Back when Bill Gates was still an unattached nebbish, the wickedly brilliant Berkeley Breathed inked a Bloom County entry of Gates approaching beautiful woman for date. Panel entries:

    Gates: “Will you go out with me?

    Woman: “No.”

    Gates: “How about if I throw in Norway?”

    Woman: “OK. But no kissing.”

  38. jon says:

    Since we are sharing Gates anecdotes, his dad was an attorney who basically rode his sons coattails to fame. It kind of a joke among attorneys in Seattle.

    He became a named partner in a small Seattle firm, Shidler, McBroom Gates and Lucas, based on having Microsoft as an account. A much older firm, Preston Thorgrimson Ellis & Holman, then merged with them to get the Microsoft account. When they merged, only Gates and the founding partner’s names from the smaller firm were added to the name of the merged firm, Preston Thorgrimson, Shidler, Gates & Ellis. As Microsoft grew, Gates name got bumped to more prominence, with the firm eventually becoming Preston, Gates & Ellis. PG&E then merged with another even bigger firm, and even though it was many years after Gates Sr.’s retirement, his was the only name that made it into the merged firm name, K&L Gates.

    I’m hoping my son also does something big, my career needs a boost right about now.

    • Replies: @RegretLeft
    @jon

    Very interesting - I had not heard that side of things. The other side has it that Gates Sr. was very wealthy (he was tight with the Rockefeller Foundation). His wife sat on some board with IBM CEO J Akers - and it was she who prodded Akers to send a planeload of IBM techs to assist Bill Jrs struggling software firm in AZ .. which subsequently was awarded the IBM contract to develop DOS - the first OS for the IBM PC - circa 1980. The rest is history.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  39. Liza says:

    I wonder if they talking about real parachuting, where you jump out by yourself, or those tandem jumps where you are tied to the tandem master, all hitched together in the same harness, where you are just a rider, i.e., a passenger. If you are frightened when they open the door of the aircraft – too bad, you go anyway. No guts required.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Liza, if it was the first time, it had to be a tandem or a static line jump. For the static line, you've still got to train for emergencies during the morning or so. You don't get any freefall time for the 1st 5 jumps or so and you just go up to 3 or 4 thousand feet off the ground.

    Tandem is the full experience, from 10 or 12 thousand ft, but you are right that it's not the same.

    Replies: @Liza

  40. Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that’s what he got.

    This used to be pretty sensible. (My mom was one and made my dad’s life a whole lot more rewarding.) Now it’s … uh … more dangerous.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @AnotherDad

    I made an observation a while ago: if a woman is educated and not especially religious, then the odds are very high that her values are basically what she perceives to be the mainstream culture's values, with all that entails. There are exceptions, of course, but this is usually the case. Where mainstream culture is less diseased, this can still work out OK. But where it's our Current Year mainstream culture (and what's more, Pacific Northwest mainstream culture): good luck.

    When I was on the fence about religion as a young man, making my own sort of Pascal's Wager, I observed that religious girls were, as a whole, a much better crop than the alternative (supposing at least that you include the stipulations "educated" and "middle class"). Which isn't to say they're all winners, just a better crop.

    What's more, my competition among religious men was, well, not much. And religious girls strongly prefer a man who also has religion. That certainly helped give me a kick in the right direction.

    , @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that’s what he got.
     Source? Very odd interjection there, seems like projecting to me. Melinda Gates looks barely white.

    , @Anon 2
    @AnotherDad

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian, @Wency

  41. I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.

    You should have in any case.

    The only viable OS coming out of Microsoft was actually built by Dan Cutler from Digital Equipment. They completely missed the Internet (in spite of Bill rectonning this failure hard) and they basically built the Love Canal of consumer and enterprise computing while wrecking competitors via dirty tricks.

    By all right, they shouldn’t exist.

    Isn’t brand name recognition wonderful.

    Still, I guess without them there wouldn’t have been a big enough base for something like the GNU/Linux ecosystem to grow on. And post-2005 or so they slowly got better.

  42. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Great anecdote, with extra resonance because around that time, Bill Gates was the butt of the “world’s smartest man” joke about parachuting from a doomed plane (an old joke: someone told me Henry Kissinger was the butt of it in the ‘70s.).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paleo Liberal

    I seem to remember some joke about the whore that that British actor was with and the punchline being Micro soft. (And yeah, I’ve still heard the parachute joke with reference to Kissinger.)

    The other thing is I seem to remember some story about Gates traveling in coach class. When did that stop?

  43. Trans (woman) power lifter officially in Olympics:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/06/sport/laurel-hubbard-weightlifter-olympics-spt-intl/index.html

    The camel’s neck is officially under the tent now. Look out lady’s soccer players.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  44. Wency says:

    It’s funny, I’m seeing echoes of an old friend who’s somewhat Gates-like, right down to being an irreligious and somewhat dorky computer programmer that started a software company (though he’s still small potatoes), and he similarly had a number of tests of his future wife’s resilience that I suppose were meant to evaluate that she’d be a fit wife for his kids if he were to die.

    They’re not divorced, but it might be the worst marriage that I know about.

  45. Don’t think “jump out of a plane with me” is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    However, both young men and young women should have a long list of qualifications for any potential spouse, which begins with “good character” and follows up quickly with “good genes” and “commitment to building a life together”.

    But while failure is sub-optimal and can be a life disaster for either spouse, the woman has the state backing her. For a man once he signs … nothing he has, nothing he will build, not even his children, nothing even his capability to build and his labor for the rest of his life will ever be his again.

    So yeah, the guy damn sure should have a long list and be really, really certain that the girl is of exceptional character and committed to the project. Because beyond self-interest, the girls’ character is all there is to insure her behavior. There is no social sanction. Heck, the culture–from other divorcees to feminists, to the Democrats, to Hollyweird–will be cheering her on–“you go girl!”–and the divorce industry will be offering cash and prizes.

    So yeah a guy really does need to think very carefully and make her jump through some hoops that make it clear she ‘gets it”. Though can’t say i see skydiving as particularly helpful. Maybe Bill had the criteria?

    • Replies: @fitzhamilton
    @AnotherDad

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she'd jump out of an airplane or not? He's an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you'll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God's holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ - a Christian - loves his enemies. Love isn't emotional satisfaction, it's spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We're a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That's why our culture is collapsing.

    We're mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob, @Jonathan Mason, @James N. Kennett

    , @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad


    Don’t think “jump out of a plane with me” is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.
     
    "Jumping out of a plane with me" is a metaphor for something, though I am not sure what. Perhaps it reflects on Gates' tendency to always be right, regardless. The need to jump out of a perfectly good aiurplane foreshadowed the Gates/Covid saga.

    Regardless, the lack of imagination explains a lot about Windows.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Seek
    @AnotherDad

    I wouldn't say that Hollywood cheers on the allegedly wronged woman. Did you see David Fincher's 2014 movie, "Gone Girl?" It was decidedly not friendly to women who leave their husbands, claiming abuse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  46. A small plane has three passengers: a priest, a rabbi and a Boy Scout . . .

    Oh, you’ve already heard this one?

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is weird, but now I have to trot out my own Bill Gates anecdote from 1988:

    Back then I was still wearing glasses, before the now stone-aged miracle of radial keratotomy made them unnecessary. I was picking up a new pair at an optical shop in Boulder when, out of the blue, the woman behind the counter asked me, "Do you know who Bill Gates is?"

    I explained that he owned a company that wrote programs that ran on small computers.

    She said, to paraphrase, "Oh. Well, yesterday there was a girl picking out new glasses here who was all giddy and happy. She said she was getting married to Bill Gates."

    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve's story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker. I've never figured it out.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rob McX, @Buffalo Joe

    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve’s story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker

    I’d say stalker.

  48. Bill Gates is long past his time …

    • LOL: AndrewR
  49. Interesting contrast:

    Billionaires have our nation turned upside down and at their feet. Neoliberalism, globalism, rainbow flags and race based, rather than economic, “left” politics and, of course, immigration driven cheap labor.

    Literally billionaires and their buddies are destroying nations on a planetary scale!

    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male–women, sex, children, descendants–these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids. And now Melinda walks off with billions for popping a whopping three kids.

    Genghis Khan sneers in his grave at these pathetic losers.

    • LOL: Old Prude, TWS
    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    You have strange, cucky tendencies in your posts that make me question your gender and racial identity.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad


    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male–women, sex, children, descendants–these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids.
     
    This is my usual criticism of the manosphere's lingo- it is imprecise. Who is alpha, beta, ...?

    They say alpha is a leader, dominant personality etc. OK, but what then with virtually sexless leaders like Lenin or Hitler (onkl Adi had his secrets, but mostly as a perv)? If the manosphere community had clear& loud said: We are talking only about erotic relationships, don't misapply Greek alphabet to other areas of human experience- I would have taken their ideas into consideration. But- they didn't.

    And regards progeny, it doesn't mean much for any level of dominance. George Floyd has 5 children.

    Replies: @Spect3r

  50. Wency says:
    @AnotherDad
    Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that's what he got.

    This used to be pretty sensible. (My mom was one and made my dad's life a whole lot more rewarding.) Now it's ... uh ... more dangerous.

    Replies: @Wency, @Anon, @Anon 2

    I made an observation a while ago: if a woman is educated and not especially religious, then the odds are very high that her values are basically what she perceives to be the mainstream culture’s values, with all that entails. There are exceptions, of course, but this is usually the case. Where mainstream culture is less diseased, this can still work out OK. But where it’s our Current Year mainstream culture (and what’s more, Pacific Northwest mainstream culture): good luck.

    When I was on the fence about religion as a young man, making my own sort of Pascal’s Wager, I observed that religious girls were, as a whole, a much better crop than the alternative (supposing at least that you include the stipulations “educated” and “middle class”). Which isn’t to say they’re all winners, just a better crop.

    What’s more, my competition among religious men was, well, not much. And religious girls strongly prefer a man who also has religion. That certainly helped give me a kick in the right direction.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  51. This divorce is all the fault of clippy. All of it. It is 100% clippy’s fault!

    https://theneedling.com/2021/05/04/bill-gates-confirms-the-divorce-is-100-clippys-fault/

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @anon

    Or maybe Bill got too insufferably liberal for even Melinda? I know they don't run their own twitter, but I am assuming they have some direction regarding their public image. Her twitter comes across as some quaint late 90s liberal. Pretty lame but benign and not oozing with hostility or academic jargon.

    Bill’s feed is 100 % wokety-woke, though. It's borderline a parody of itself.

    She had a post about Easter, Bill did not even acknowledge it.

    Replies: @anon

  52. Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    @David In TN

    There's a plausible theory about that.

    At the time, Gates had given NOTHING--zero campaign contributions--to both halves of the Uniparty.

    The anti-trust hokum was a way to get back at him for not playing ball.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @David In TN

    Yes, one of Rush's major blind spots was his worship of rich people. Also, his inability to see that every problem can't be solved with capitalism. He even thought capitalism was the answer to universal healthcare.

    Another thing he did that irked me was his insistence that his example showed that anyone could make it big if they tried hard like he did. The fact is that Rush's success, his nationwide syndication, took the jobs of probably hundreds of local radio talk show guys. Rush won big, but in "winner takes all" capitalism it came at a cost to others. I'm not blaming him for that--that's just the way it works. I do blame him for not acknowledging it, though.

    , @Hibernian
    @David In TN

    That was the Libertarian pre-Woke Bill Gates who said , at a deposition or hearing in the antitrust case, in answer to a question as to whether he might be more friendly to competitors, "Well, yea, if you want to be Communist about it."

    , @ScarletNumber
    @David In TN


    sometime in the late 1990s... Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended [Gates]
     
    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton's justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Wilkey
    @David In TN


    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money.
     
    Rush spent several days kissing David Letterman’s ass before going on Letterman’s show. Then he went on the show and Letterman was a complete asshole to him.
  53. @AnotherDad
    Interesting contrast:

    Billionaires have our nation turned upside down and at their feet. Neoliberalism, globalism, rainbow flags and race based, rather than economic, "left" politics and, of course, immigration driven cheap labor.

    Literally billionaires and their buddies are destroying nations on a planetary scale!


    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male--women, sex, children, descendants--these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids. And now Melinda walks off with billions for popping a whopping three kids.

    Genghis Khan sneers in his grave at these pathetic losers.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bardon Kaldian

    You have strange, cucky tendencies in your posts that make me question your gender and racial identity.

  54. @AnotherDad
    Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that's what he got.

    This used to be pretty sensible. (My mom was one and made my dad's life a whole lot more rewarding.) Now it's ... uh ... more dangerous.

    Replies: @Wency, @Anon, @Anon 2

    Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that’s what he got.

    Source? Very odd interjection there, seems like projecting to me. Melinda Gates looks barely white.

  55. Daily Mail is reporting today that a Chinese interpreter called Miss Wang is strongly denying that she had anything to do with the Gates divorce.

    Ms. Wang has worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9547471/Chinese-interpreter-36-denies-vicious-rumors-split-Bill-Melinda-Gates.html

    Well, thank goodness for that.

    Maybe something got lost in translation and it was all misinterpreted.

    Anyway my advice to Mr Gates is to seek technical advice from Rupert Murdoch and try unplugging and rebooting.

    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don't just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn't it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like "Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type."

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Bill P, @Anon, @Wency

    , @ChrisZ
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’m guessing that the only word here requiring more careful translation is “wang.”

  56. I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.

    If you had used your margin brokerage account at that time to go long Microsoft, then you would be comfortably off today.

    Microsoft stock has multiplied in value by a factor of 10 over the last 10 years, and by a much greater factor over the last 20 years.

  57. @David In TN
    Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Harry Baldwin, @Hibernian, @ScarletNumber, @Wilkey

    There’s a plausible theory about that.

    At the time, Gates had given NOTHING–zero campaign contributions–to both halves of the Uniparty.

    The anti-trust hokum was a way to get back at him for not playing ball.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  58. @AnotherDad
    Turns out Bill just wanted a conventional smart, white, college educated, middle class earnest good girl. And that's what he got.

    This used to be pretty sensible. (My mom was one and made my dad's life a whole lot more rewarding.) Now it's ... uh ... more dangerous.

    Replies: @Wency, @Anon, @Anon 2

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anon 2

    Whatever Catholic Europe is doing by way of reproduction, it isn't working. Hook-ups may be worth a try.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anon 2

    My youngest sister started dating her boyfriend when they were both 14. They are now both 60.

    My oldest sister met her husband at University and had never dated anybody before or after. They had a 40 years plus marriage before she passed away.

    My middle sister dated a few professional athletes before she married a farmer, and has been married for more than 40 years.

    Back in the days when we were young, people talked about "premarital sex" as the moral question of the day, rather than about fucking around.

    I think the culture of screwing around has made it much more difficult for people to form lasting relationships, because they will always be comparing the current partner to past partners and eyeing up potential future partners.

    I had always regarded Bill and Melinda Gates as kind of like the Royal family, like Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, where there was no possibility of divorce, regardless of infidelities, so it came as a shock to me to hear of the divorce.

    I guess I was just naive.

    Maybe in the near future marriages will just be like term life insurance. They will expire at 25 years unless both partners agreed to sign on and convert to a whole of life marriage.

    All marriages will have prenups. Mortgages for buying a family home will be customized so that they are paid off on the very day of the silver anniversary.

    Pensions for the first 25 years will be in joint accounts with the names of both partners.

    All married people will be required to have joint marital insurance policies that will kick in if either partner fails to fulfil the marriage contract, or dies.

    , @Hibernian
    @Anon 2


    In Europe, on the other hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.
     
    They're so much more civilized then we are. Just ask the people who've been killed by terrorists in France.
    , @Wency
    @Anon 2


    it now takes enormous effort to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life
     
    For at least the right half of the curve, I think it's still a lot easier to make a living here. And even some people in the middle: I know a French auto mechanic in his 30s who immigrated to the US in his late 20s and reports that it's much easier to make a living in the States. He bought himself a reasonable middle class suburban house in flyover country, found a wife, had two kids, tells me there's no way he could afford to live this way in France.

    And I'm not really that big an America-booster. I think European culture has its advantages, but America's strong suit has always been earning money, and this is still true for anyone with above-average IQ who applies himself.

    Replies: @Morton's toes

  59. Wow, so Bill Gates was failing shit tests even 20 years ago. Says a lot about the trajectory of that couple’s social life, and why such a successful CEO has spent most of his career prostrating himself at the altar of globohomo.

  60. @Jonathan Mason
    Daily Mail is reporting today that a Chinese interpreter called Miss Wang is strongly denying that she had anything to do with the Gates divorce.


    Ms. Wang has worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9547471/Chinese-interpreter-36-denies-vicious-rumors-split-Bill-Melinda-Gates.html

    Well, thank goodness for that.

    Maybe something got lost in translation and it was all misinterpreted.

    Anyway my advice to Mr Gates is to seek technical advice from Rupert Murdoch and try unplugging and rebooting.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @ChrisZ

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don’t just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn’t it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like “Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type.”

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Jonathan Mason

    It sounds more like Bill and Melinda had a contract marriage and once the eldest child hit 18, the contract was up

    Melinda may have hoped that the contract would continue as you suggest, but Bill had other ideas

    A contract marriage fits better with the 'Wife tests' and pros and cons whiteboard and bizarre weekend with the ex gf Dailymail has been harping about

    I highly doubt this was a 'love match' from the start

    And yes, a woman in a contract marriage, no matter how rich, upon realizing she will in fact spend her old age alone...would be rather bitter

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Looks like just another confirmation of what we already knew: Asian women are the champions of human evolution. Looking forward to Bill's announcement of his engagement to Miss Wang.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Wency
    @Jonathan Mason


    However one has to wonder why these two older people don’t just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.
     
    Indeed, I seldom hear people mention it, but Gates friend and key Foundation supporter Warren Buffett did this. He remained amicable and un-divorced from his wife for decades after their split, she in California and he in Nebraska. He only married his longtime girlfriend after his wife died.

    When resources are practically unlimited, dividing the pie becomes an intellectual exercise. Really, just an ego-driven exercise. Especially when they both claim to be giving to the same foundation. Though I have to think the Foundation as currently constituted is toast, despite all claims to the contrary. One of the two will end up controlling it (I'd bet on Bill, if only because Buffett is his friend) and the other will take her money and do her own thing.
  61. @Dave Pinsen
    Great anecdote, with extra resonance because around that time, Bill Gates was the butt of the “world’s smartest man” joke about parachuting from a doomed plane (an old joke: someone told me Henry Kissinger was the butt of it in the ‘70s.).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paleo Liberal

    I only heard the Kissinger version.
    It worked better with Kissinger, whose ego knew no limits.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Paleo Liberal

    Here is the version I heard, with Kissinger



    A hippy, a priest and Henry Kissinger are in a small private plane.

    At one point the pilot puts on a parachute, informs the passengers the plane is about the crash, but there are only 2 remaining parachutes for the other three passengers. Their problem, pilot jumps.

    Kissinger says to the hippy: “ I am dee most intelligent and important person in dee vorld. Give me dee parachute.” Kissinger jumps.

    Priest: “you are a young man with a full life ahead of you. I am a simple old priest. I have made my peace with God. You take the parachute “

    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Nicholas Stix

  62. @AnotherDad
    Don't think "jump out of a plane with me" is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    However, both young men and young women should have a long list of qualifications for any potential spouse, which begins with "good character" and follows up quickly with "good genes" and "commitment to building a life together".

    But while failure is sub-optimal and can be a life disaster for either spouse, the woman has the state backing her. For a man once he signs ... nothing he has, nothing he will build, not even his children, nothing even his capability to build and his labor for the rest of his life will ever be his again.

    So yeah, the guy damn sure should have a long list and be really, really certain that the girl is of exceptional character and committed to the project. Because beyond self-interest, the girls' character is all there is to insure her behavior. There is no social sanction. Heck, the culture--from other divorcees to feminists, to the Democrats, to Hollyweird--will be cheering her on--"you go girl!"--and the divorce industry will be offering cash and prizes.

    So yeah a guy really does need to think very carefully and make her jump through some hoops that make it clear she 'gets it". Though can't say i see skydiving as particularly helpful. Maybe Bill had the criteria?

    Replies: @fitzhamilton, @JohnnyWalker123, @James Speaks, @Seek

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she’d jump out of an airplane or not? He’s an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you’ll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God’s holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ – a Christian – loves his enemies. Love isn’t emotional satisfaction, it’s spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We’re a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That’s why our culture is collapsing.

    We’re mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @fitzhamilton

    "You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. "

    That's literally correct, and it's why (along of course with cash and prizes) most divorces are triggered by women.

    "Don't you remember your vows?"

    "I know, I know - I promised to love, honour and obey, and I honestly meant that - at the time that I said it"

    , @Anon
    @fitzhamilton

    Bravo.

    , @epebble
    @fitzhamilton

    You are being too harsh on the present. I have been reading some history of marriage. An amusing book I saw recently is this: (This is actually a dissertation)


    The Legitimacy of Bastards: The Place of Illegitimate Children in Later Medieval England

    For the nobility and gentry in later medieval England, land was a source of wealth and status. Their marriages were arranged with this in mind, and it is not surprising that so many of them had mistresses and illegitimate children. John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, married at the age of twenty to a ten-year-old granddaughter of Edward I, had at least eight bastards and a complicated love life.

    In theory, bastards were at a considerable disadvantage. Regarded as ‘filius nullius’ or the son of no one, they were unable to inherit real property and barred from the priesthood. In practice, illegitimacy could be less of a stigma in late medieval England than it became between the sixteenth and late twentieth centuries. There were ways of making provision for illegitimate offspring and some bastards did extremely well in the church, through marriage, as soldiers, and a few even succeeding to the family estates.

    The Legitimacy of Bastards is the first book to consider the individuals who had illegitimate children, the ways in which they provided for them and attitudes towards both the parents and the bastard children. It also highlights important differences between the views of illegitimacy taken by the Church and by the English law.

    https://www.amazon.com/Legitimacy-Bastards-Illegitimate-Children-Medieval/dp/1526716550

     

    , @ScarletNumber
    @fitzhamilton


    an air tight prenuptial contract
     
    Judges in the family court favor women (c.f. Philip Greenspun). Therefore, any air-tight prenup that is seen as unfair to the woman will be thrown out as unconscionable. Also, prenups don't cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    The only way out of this is to get rid of the concept of no-fault divorce. If a man does nothing wrong, his wife shouldn't be able to take him to the cleaners just because she is bored.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @plannumber9

  63. @Paleo Liberal
    @Dave Pinsen

    I only heard the Kissinger version.
    It worked better with Kissinger, whose ego knew no limits.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Here is the version I heard, with Kissinger

    [MORE]

    A hippy, a priest and Henry Kissinger are in a small private plane.

    At one point the pilot puts on a parachute, informs the passengers the plane is about the crash, but there are only 2 remaining parachutes for the other three passengers. Their problem, pilot jumps.

    Kissinger says to the hippy: “ I am dee most intelligent and important person in dee vorld. Give me dee parachute.” Kissinger jumps.

    Priest: “you are a young man with a full life ahead of you. I am a simple old priest. I have made my peace with God. You take the parachute “

    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Paleo Liberal


    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.
     
    The punchline I always heard was: "Don't worry. It's okay. The smartest man in the World just jumped out of the plane with my backpack."

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Paleo Liberal

    I heard a variation, via Mark Russell, from the '80s.

    Ronald Reagan finds himself on a desert island with the Ayatollah Khomeini, Yassir Arafat, and Newt Gingrich, but his gun only holds two bullets. What does he do? He shoots Newt twice.

  64. I remember when Bill Gates was just a greasy nerd known for sharp business practices, back before he became “Bond Villain who sounds like Kermit the Frog”. Since he, along with his unlovely wife, became the self-appointed public-health czars of the World, I can’t stand the sight of him. I wish him a long, messy, and expensive divorce.

  65. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don't just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn't it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like "Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type."

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Bill P, @Anon, @Wency

    It sounds more like Bill and Melinda had a contract marriage and once the eldest child hit 18, the contract was up

    Melinda may have hoped that the contract would continue as you suggest, but Bill had other ideas

    A contract marriage fits better with the ‘Wife tests’ and pros and cons whiteboard and bizarre weekend with the ex gf Dailymail has been harping about

    I highly doubt this was a ‘love match’ from the start

    And yes, a woman in a contract marriage, no matter how rich, upon realizing she will in fact spend her old age alone…would be rather bitter

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Thoughts


    once the eldest child hit 18, the contract was up
     
    Youngest, and indeed this was the case, as all of the children have now reached majority.
  66. @Paleo Liberal
    @Paleo Liberal

    Here is the version I heard, with Kissinger



    A hippy, a priest and Henry Kissinger are in a small private plane.

    At one point the pilot puts on a parachute, informs the passengers the plane is about the crash, but there are only 2 remaining parachutes for the other three passengers. Their problem, pilot jumps.

    Kissinger says to the hippy: “ I am dee most intelligent and important person in dee vorld. Give me dee parachute.” Kissinger jumps.

    Priest: “you are a young man with a full life ahead of you. I am a simple old priest. I have made my peace with God. You take the parachute “

    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.

    The punchline I always heard was: “Don’t worry. It’s okay. The smartest man in the World just jumped out of the plane with my backpack.”

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Mr. Anon

    That punchline works better with Gates, I will say.

    The difference between Kissinger and Gates:

    Kissinger lands with a splat like a bug on a windshield.
    Gates lands with a splat like a feature on a windshield.

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Mr. Anon

    That punchline works better with Gates, I will say.

    The difference between Kissinger and Gates:

    Kissinger lands with a splat like a bug on a windshield.
    Gates lands with a splat like a feature on a windshield.

  67. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    The interesting thing about the divorce is that it was Melinda who filed the papers. She dumped him, not the other way around.

    My guess is that consuming liberal media brainwashed her to the point where being an SJW ate her brain completely. Her whole identity is now bound up with being an SJW. She’s decided she could do more good in life and feed her ego more without being hampered by him.

    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines. He’s seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she ‘can’t be wrong.’ Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines. He’s seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she ‘can’t be wrong.’ Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

     

    This sounds plausible as a reason for them not just staying together in a distant-but-vaguely-amicable, limited-partnership-style marriage at this stage of their lives.

    There's been plenty of Substitute Savioring emanating from the Gateses for many years now; it wouldn't at all be surprising if Bill is getting sick of these expensive fiascos. Even though he obviously doesn't need the money, he may still find it embarassing to have his name prominently associated with initiatives that end up looking ridiculous. This would indicate that he's not fully, irrevocably, 100% Woke.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wilkey
    @Anon


    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines.
     
    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet's most boring continent?

    You want to cure malaria, then fine. But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa. If Gates tried to address them in a serious way he might actually succeed at doing something useful.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  68. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don't just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn't it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like "Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type."

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Bill P, @Anon, @Wency

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn’t get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she’s serving in first class…

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she’s ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don’t know why they bother with the divorce, either. What’s the point unless you want to start a new family?

    • Agree: AndrewR, Anonymous Jew
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Bill P


    What’s the point unless you want to start a new family?
     
    Maybe, in his heart of hearts Bill is still an incurable romantic in search of a soulmate.

    You don't treat the soulmate as a side option.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Bill P

    Bill Gates likely got sexually blackmailed by Epstein.

    Epstein extorted millions of dollars out of him.

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1183100571257131009

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185964189157773313

    https://twitter.com/JackAMtheShow/status/1183367653273948161

    His wife likely found out a few years back, causing her to shop around for a good divorce attorney.

    Somewhere in Israel, there likely is a tape of Bill Gates banging an underaged girl.

    , @Anon
    @Bill P


    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn’t get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?
     
    Yes, he was known as a horndog with a huge appetite for hookers back in the 80s/90s. In light of this, it does make his association with Epstein and travel to his island more suspect. He is the type that would have trouble restraining himself from such temptations.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-nerd-king-26171288.html

    Rohm's picture shows Gates to be a self-obsessed man who, after his love for Reichel was repulsed, would stop at almost nothing to defeat his business rivals, pausing from squashing the competition only to relax with high-priced prostitutes.

    In Rohm's account, Gates found his favourite hookers in Las Vegas, headquarters of America's computer trade shows. Rohm believes Gates's use of prostitutes is akey part of his character: he is a man who acknowledges no boundaries in morals or business, when it comes to getting what he wants, but who suffers from chronic insecurities about his appearance and lack of social graces.
     
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill P

    Bill, when was the last time Gates flew on a commercial jet, even in first class.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Bill P

    There are so many smart and beautiful Chinese women. If Gates was a skirt-chaser back in the day, he wouldn't fall for this weird-looking one.

  69. @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    What’s the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Maybe, in his heart of hearts Bill is still an incurable romantic in search of a soulmate.

    You don’t treat the soulmate as a side option.

  70. @Jonathan Mason
    Daily Mail is reporting today that a Chinese interpreter called Miss Wang is strongly denying that she had anything to do with the Gates divorce.


    Ms. Wang has worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9547471/Chinese-interpreter-36-denies-vicious-rumors-split-Bill-Melinda-Gates.html

    Well, thank goodness for that.

    Maybe something got lost in translation and it was all misinterpreted.

    Anyway my advice to Mr Gates is to seek technical advice from Rupert Murdoch and try unplugging and rebooting.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @ChrisZ

    I’m guessing that the only word here requiring more careful translation is “wang.”

  71. Truth says:

    Bill Gates’ 1988 Wife-Material Test

    Husband-Material Test, Steve, not “wife.”

    At our age, our vision starts deteriorating, I get this, trust me I am struggling with wearing glasses now; but c’mon!

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @anon
    @Truth

    C'mon, man, what's Jenner got to do with this situation? Huh?

    Replies: @Truth

  72. As Whiskey correctly noted…she HATES HATES HATES Bill for being beta….

  73. I just don’t know that Bill Gates, even with his wealth, was ever going to have the personal charisma to attract a good looking woman’s exclusive desire. I don’t even think Melinda is above average and he couldn’t manage it in the long term. He probably would have been happier to find the best looking true right-brained tech nerd girl who is into the same programming stuff that captivates him rather than doing the sky diving try-out thing open to women who are clearly primarily interested in his money.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  74. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don't just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn't it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like "Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type."

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Bill P, @Anon, @Wency

    Looks like just another confirmation of what we already knew: Asian women are the champions of human evolution. Looking forward to Bill’s announcement of his engagement to Miss Wang.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    Asian women are the champions of gold digging

  75. I read on some articles that at the beginning Bill and Melania’s relationship was open or something like that. Bill said “she had other boyfriends”.
    That’s totally degenerate IMO, but from what I can see it’s becoming widespread in anglophone countries.

  76. Don’t you have to have several hours of training before a sky diving service will allow you to take a jump? I’m pretty sure they aren’t going to take anybody up there who is terrified that they are going to die.

    This story sounds absurd.

    Personally I think Melinda was Bill’s illuminati/whatever handler and she has been fired because even the Rothsfellers and Rockachild’s can see that his performance in the re-set here is not acceptable. You may think that’s absurd but it sounds more likely than your post! : (

  77. @AnotherDad
    Interesting contrast:

    Billionaires have our nation turned upside down and at their feet. Neoliberalism, globalism, rainbow flags and race based, rather than economic, "left" politics and, of course, immigration driven cheap labor.

    Literally billionaires and their buddies are destroying nations on a planetary scale!


    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male--women, sex, children, descendants--these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids. And now Melinda walks off with billions for popping a whopping three kids.

    Genghis Khan sneers in his grave at these pathetic losers.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bardon Kaldian

    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male–women, sex, children, descendants–these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids.

    This is my usual criticism of the manosphere’s lingo- it is imprecise. Who is alpha, beta, …?

    They say alpha is a leader, dominant personality etc. OK, but what then with virtually sexless leaders like Lenin or Hitler (onkl Adi had his secrets, but mostly as a perv)? If the manosphere community had clear& loud said: We are talking only about erotic relationships, don’t misapply Greek alphabet to other areas of human experience- I would have taken their ideas into consideration. But- they didn’t.

    And regards progeny, it doesn’t mean much for any level of dominance. George Floyd has 5 children.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You have to stop reading Jewish propaganda.
    There are many interviews with Hitler's house servants where they say that Hitler and Eva had a normal relationship, sex included, like any other couple.
    And you can bet that if there is someone who knows what happens in the house, including in the bedroom, are the house servants.

  78. The “skydiving test” for assessing prospective spouses is a variant of the venerable speed-dating question: “So! How are you crazy?” (The best response, btw, should be a smiling “Ah, where to begin, where to begin.” )

    I can suggest a better fast-test. In the movie “On the Beach,” Ava Gardner is just getting to know Gregory Peck. There is no time to waste. She asks him “What do you think about when the dentist is drilling?”

    Btw, if you don’t know and wish to try this superb, important, grim, timely movie about a post-nuclear-war world in microcosm, you can access the full movie by googling: “Beach 1959.” Gardner, Peck, Perkins, Astaire. It is free.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @SafeNow

    Thanks, I read the book as a pre-teen. Always meant to look up the movie, and now I shall.

  79. OT:
    Very well written article on the likely source of COVID19. Nicholas Wade is one of the few journalists around who still dares to speak his mind.

    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Escher

    Thanks.

  80. @Art Deco
    Both had already passed the test of putting up with his hygiene. Mad Magazine once did a series of panels on him depicting him accompanied by flies. I think it was Roger Rosenblatt who wrote an essay for Time around about then recalling the occasion he'd met 'the billionaire with the incredible BO problem' and the minions following him about 'all breathing through their mouths'. "People who've covered him will know who I mean".

    Replies: @Marat, @tr

    That’s what I was referring to without saying it explicitly. Odd that he seemed unfazed by both subtle and obviously pointed cues.

  81. @Art Deco
    Both had already passed the test of putting up with his hygiene. Mad Magazine once did a series of panels on him depicting him accompanied by flies. I think it was Roger Rosenblatt who wrote an essay for Time around about then recalling the occasion he'd met 'the billionaire with the incredible BO problem' and the minions following him about 'all breathing through their mouths'. "People who've covered him will know who I mean".

    Replies: @Marat, @tr

    Strange. I’ve heard that Steve Jobs also had hygiene issues.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @tr

    Well when Steve Jobs worked at Atari, he went on a fruitarian diet. He felt that one of the benefits of this diet was that his body didn't produce odor. Therefore, he didn't wear deodorant or shower. He was assigned to the nightshift so he would offend fewer people.

    While this is more annoying than dangerous, his crockpot theories bit him in the ass when he got cancer and tried to cure it holistically.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  82. • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: JMcG, David
    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Hodag

    COVID-19 may have originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Another interesting question, did Lord Fauci provide the funding for the development of the COVID-19 virus at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

    Now, that would be ironic.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    , @utu
    @Hodag

    Thanks. Good article. Perhaps Ron Unz will reconsider his skepticism on Yuri Deigin work.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  83. @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    Bill Gates likely got sexually blackmailed by Epstein.

    Epstein extorted millions of dollars out of him.

    His wife likely found out a few years back, causing her to shop around for a good divorce attorney.

    Somewhere in Israel, there likely is a tape of Bill Gates banging an underaged girl.

    • Thanks: epebble
  84. @AnotherDad
    Don't think "jump out of a plane with me" is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    However, both young men and young women should have a long list of qualifications for any potential spouse, which begins with "good character" and follows up quickly with "good genes" and "commitment to building a life together".

    But while failure is sub-optimal and can be a life disaster for either spouse, the woman has the state backing her. For a man once he signs ... nothing he has, nothing he will build, not even his children, nothing even his capability to build and his labor for the rest of his life will ever be his again.

    So yeah, the guy damn sure should have a long list and be really, really certain that the girl is of exceptional character and committed to the project. Because beyond self-interest, the girls' character is all there is to insure her behavior. There is no social sanction. Heck, the culture--from other divorcees to feminists, to the Democrats, to Hollyweird--will be cheering her on--"you go girl!"--and the divorce industry will be offering cash and prizes.

    So yeah a guy really does need to think very carefully and make her jump through some hoops that make it clear she 'gets it". Though can't say i see skydiving as particularly helpful. Maybe Bill had the criteria?

    Replies: @fitzhamilton, @JohnnyWalker123, @James Speaks, @Seek

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I did that but she quit the engineering job after the second kid and hasn’t gone back. Second kid is now 29 years old...

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Four Steps to a Happy Marriage…
    1. It is important to find a woman who cooks and cleans.
    2. It is important to find a woman who makes good money.
    3. It is important to find a woman who likes to have sex.
    4. It is important that these three women never meet.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Maybe his name is going to come up somewhere in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @James N. Kennett
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.
     
    Unless she says she sacrificed her career to raise your kids.
  85. @AnotherDad
    Don't think "jump out of a plane with me" is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    However, both young men and young women should have a long list of qualifications for any potential spouse, which begins with "good character" and follows up quickly with "good genes" and "commitment to building a life together".

    But while failure is sub-optimal and can be a life disaster for either spouse, the woman has the state backing her. For a man once he signs ... nothing he has, nothing he will build, not even his children, nothing even his capability to build and his labor for the rest of his life will ever be his again.

    So yeah, the guy damn sure should have a long list and be really, really certain that the girl is of exceptional character and committed to the project. Because beyond self-interest, the girls' character is all there is to insure her behavior. There is no social sanction. Heck, the culture--from other divorcees to feminists, to the Democrats, to Hollyweird--will be cheering her on--"you go girl!"--and the divorce industry will be offering cash and prizes.

    So yeah a guy really does need to think very carefully and make her jump through some hoops that make it clear she 'gets it". Though can't say i see skydiving as particularly helpful. Maybe Bill had the criteria?

    Replies: @fitzhamilton, @JohnnyWalker123, @James Speaks, @Seek

    Don’t think “jump out of a plane with me” is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    “Jumping out of a plane with me” is a metaphor for something, though I am not sure what. Perhaps it reflects on Gates’ tendency to always be right, regardless. The need to jump out of a perfectly good aiurplane foreshadowed the Gates/Covid saga.

    Regardless, the lack of imagination explains a lot about Windows.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @James Speaks


    “Jumping out of a plane with me” is a metaphor for something, though I am not sure what.

     

    There is a great short story by George MacDonald called The Light Princess about jumping into lakes together...

    http://www.george-macdonald.com/resources1/light_princess.html

    When I was in university I used to have a dream about a girl I knew in which I would pull her down to the bottom of a lake and release her to let surface.

    Later, I was a taking a lifeguarding course and had to practice pulling a body up from the bottom of the pool. My partner was a buxom blonde girl, and I accidentally groped her while performing the prescribed towing method. When we reached the surface, she said, "let's do that again!" and dove back down to the bottom of the pool. I was too cowardly to feel her up the second time, and she didn't ask to repeat again.
  86. I wonder what Melinda got on the SAT. Didn’t Gates ask her?

  87. Anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn’t get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Yes, he was known as a horndog with a huge appetite for hookers back in the 80s/90s. In light of this, it does make his association with Epstein and travel to his island more suspect. He is the type that would have trouble restraining himself from such temptations.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-nerd-king-26171288.html

    Rohm’s picture shows Gates to be a self-obsessed man who, after his love for Reichel was repulsed, would stop at almost nothing to defeat his business rivals, pausing from squashing the competition only to relax with high-priced prostitutes.

    In Rohm’s account, Gates found his favourite hookers in Las Vegas, headquarters of America’s computer trade shows. Rohm believes Gates’s use of prostitutes is akey part of his character: he is a man who acknowledges no boundaries in morals or business, when it comes to getting what he wants, but who suffers from chronic insecurities about his appearance and lack of social graces.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  88. Why has nobody pointed out that the shortage of chips is because Bill Gates has bought them all up to put in the jabs?

  89. @AnotherDad
    Don't think "jump out of a plane with me" is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.

    However, both young men and young women should have a long list of qualifications for any potential spouse, which begins with "good character" and follows up quickly with "good genes" and "commitment to building a life together".

    But while failure is sub-optimal and can be a life disaster for either spouse, the woman has the state backing her. For a man once he signs ... nothing he has, nothing he will build, not even his children, nothing even his capability to build and his labor for the rest of his life will ever be his again.

    So yeah, the guy damn sure should have a long list and be really, really certain that the girl is of exceptional character and committed to the project. Because beyond self-interest, the girls' character is all there is to insure her behavior. There is no social sanction. Heck, the culture--from other divorcees to feminists, to the Democrats, to Hollyweird--will be cheering her on--"you go girl!"--and the divorce industry will be offering cash and prizes.

    So yeah a guy really does need to think very carefully and make her jump through some hoops that make it clear she 'gets it". Though can't say i see skydiving as particularly helpful. Maybe Bill had the criteria?

    Replies: @fitzhamilton, @JohnnyWalker123, @James Speaks, @Seek

    I wouldn’t say that Hollywood cheers on the allegedly wronged woman. Did you see David Fincher’s 2014 movie, “Gone Girl?” It was decidedly not friendly to women who leave their husbands, claiming abuse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Seek

    It was rare, and perceived as rare, on that front. And from both sides (left and right). The authoress had to defend herself on having a female villain as it was perceived as misogynistic. So Gone Girl don't prove squat.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

  90. Too gossipy.

    Bill’s unforgivable sin is his effort to reform public education (impossible).

    [MORE]

    I was with a smart, pretty, female friend at a Comdex ‘88 industry party. A famous, rich tech guy came into the hall. I pointed him out to her.

    I saw the guy’s face beam as he noticed her, starry eyed, running towards him. Yeah. This is what it’s all about.

    “Are you Bill Gates?!”

    Frown. Wrong mogul.

  91. The idea of forcing her to skydive sounds to me less like some kind of macho alpha shit test and more like an autistic inability to judge other peoples’ emotions and limits.

    It reminds me, therefore, of The Skydivers, a classic “bad” film by autistic auteur Coleman Francis.

    The grey flatness of the visuals, characters and plot is either incredibly depressing or (if you’re like me and MST3k’s Frank Conniff) oddly uplifting and life affirming, like reading Schopenhauer. If you’re the former, the MST3k version with jokes might be a better experience.

    Gates only understands computers, and Coleman only understands small planes. Coleman’s attempt to write a romantic tragedy is like Gates’ attempts to “fix” the world.

    For more on Coleman, see my forthcoming book, Passing the Buck: Coleman Francis and Other Cinematic Metaphysicians.

    • Replies: @utu
    @James J O'Meara

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ6zoWU_MdM

  92. Wency says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don't just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    It seems to me like the divorce is anything but amicable.

    And if Miss Wang really was the lover of billionaire Bill Gates, would she really call a press conference to announce this to the Daily Mail, or would she just keep quiet about it, hoping to get a nice year end bonus as a reward for her discretion?

    Although the Daily Mail is quick to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever of any improper relationship between Mr Gates and Miss Wang, wouldn't it be a turn up for the book if Mrs Gates or one of her staff was behind the rumors?

    I think Miss Wang needs to say something like "Bill Gates is a nice person, but just not my type."

    Replies: @Thoughts, @Bill P, @Anon, @Wency

    However one has to wonder why these two older people don’t just stay married and lived their separate lives as partners in the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, if they are no longer interested in each other, instead of making public announcements and creating a great scandal.

    Indeed, I seldom hear people mention it, but Gates friend and key Foundation supporter Warren Buffett did this. He remained amicable and un-divorced from his wife for decades after their split, she in California and he in Nebraska. He only married his longtime girlfriend after his wife died.

    When resources are practically unlimited, dividing the pie becomes an intellectual exercise. Really, just an ego-driven exercise. Especially when they both claim to be giving to the same foundation. Though I have to think the Foundation as currently constituted is toast, despite all claims to the contrary. One of the two will end up controlling it (I’d bet on Bill, if only because Buffett is his friend) and the other will take her money and do her own thing.

  93. Welcome to our businessman of the year contest. Our winner this year is Steven Gerrard.

    Mr G how did you manage to balance the books

    SG – I replaced irn bru with tap water on the training ground & bought a lot of Africans.

    Why the Africans?

    SG – not so expensive. The carrot is the bananas & watermelon & the stick is the racist Czechs.

    I thought you were broke. Aren’t the flights dear?

    SG – no, it’s just Gary Mac in a joke shop beard putting on a silly accent. But we tell glen it’s the Czech juju man. Keeps him in line

  94. I was living in Seattle in 1994. The standing joke at that time was that Melinda French was about to find out what “MicroSoft” really meant.

    • LOL: Sick 'n Tired
    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Wade Hampton

    Bill Gates can’t muster much keenness
    For pounding his wife’s mound of Venus.
    She seldom gets boffed;
    Microscopic and soft
    Is the usual state of his penis.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Wade Hampton

    When The Joy of Sex was published on CD-ROM, there was a joke that it had a supplement about impotence on 3½" floppy.

  95. Any coincidence that this is the guy determining all social interaction in your society?

    Telling teenagers that they cannot go to prom, banning most mundane and intimate human interactions. COVID social distancing sure seems like the ideal standard for the socially awkward autist attempting to dance in this video.

    Steve Ballmer of course has his issues, but the man loves to dance.

  96. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seek
    @AnotherDad

    I wouldn't say that Hollywood cheers on the allegedly wronged woman. Did you see David Fincher's 2014 movie, "Gone Girl?" It was decidedly not friendly to women who leave their husbands, claiming abuse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It was rare, and perceived as rare, on that front. And from both sides (left and right). The authoress had to defend herself on having a female villain as it was perceived as misogynistic. So Gone Girl don’t prove squat.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "Gone Girl" was evidence that the the Big Guy Directors like Fincher have their own priorities, which aren't slavishly Woke.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    I don't think so. This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, "celebrating" female triumph over any male, even in crime.

    Replies: @Kylie

  97. @Hodag
    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038


    Nicholas Wade has a very long and convincing essay about the possible lab leak origin of Covid.

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    Replies: @clifford brown, @utu

    COVID-19 may have originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Another interesting question, did Lord Fauci provide the funding for the development of the COVID-19 virus at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

    Now, that would be ironic.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @clifford brown

    The answers are yes, and yes. The surprising thing is that the mainstream media have ignored both questions.

  98. @Achmed E. Newman
    Do you remember where they went to jump? There is a really cool private (paved) strip south of Seattle called Kapowsin. It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier so had spectacular views for the jumpers. There was some affair going on with a jumper and some guy who lived there's wife, so he made big noise complaints to someone and got the place shut down, and they had to move across the Sound to Shelton - a nice place to jump but 100 miles from Seattle.

    There was lots of skydiving at Harvey field to the north - Snohomish. It was a short strip though with not much landing area, so the non-experienced jumpers had to land a ways away and get a ride back. One time a plane wrecked into the house of the owners ...

    Your story makes Bill Gates into something of a weirdo even back in the 1990s. Are you saying he roped the ambitious new hire guy into forcing his wife to go jump?

    The fact is, the jumping part is pretty safe, even though when that door opens your instincts will always tell you clearly that you are being very stupid. However, the airplanes are sometimes a different story. The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: "Man, I don't think it's a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!" "Don't worry, guys, you're not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane."

    Here's another fun one: "What happens if the altimeter sticks?" "Just pull when the people look like ants. If the ants looks like people, you're too low."

    Replies: @JMcG, @mmack, @Anonymous Jew, @Bill Jones

    That reminds me of the Cheers skydiving episode. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the part where the pilot fakes a mayday to get Cliff and Norm to jump.

    I jumped at Shelton once when I was in my early 20s – coincidentally with coworkers. That is something I have no desire to do ever again. I almost had a heart attack in my 20s. Climb Rainier, yes. Jump from the same height? Not a chance.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous Jew

    Was that out of a C182 or the Kapowsin Twin Otters?

    I will check out your Cheers scene. Thanks.

    I tried to find the great scene in Fandango that goes along with P.L.'s Kissenger/Priest joke, in which (I'll just tell you since I can't find it), the jumper goes up with a pack full of laundry instead of the chute. They are already up in the air, so his buddies on the ground use the rest of the laundry to spell out "DON'T JUMP" in big letters. Unfortunately, the wind picks up and blows the laundry around till it says "GO JUMP" or something. It's pretty hilarious, but here is another scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvWoT_s-R8

    Replies: @mmack, @JMcG

  99. @Anonymous
    @Seek

    It was rare, and perceived as rare, on that front. And from both sides (left and right). The authoress had to defend herself on having a female villain as it was perceived as misogynistic. So Gone Girl don't prove squat.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    “Gone Girl” was evidence that the the Big Guy Directors like Fincher have their own priorities, which aren’t slavishly Woke.

  100. I read somewhere that the main reason Gates got married was because his mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer and wanted to attend her son’s wedding before she died.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    She died about five months later, so the timing makes sense. Supposedly died of breast cancer. Fatal cases of breast cancer are well-telegraphed.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  101. @James J O'Meara
    The idea of forcing her to skydive sounds to me less like some kind of macho alpha shit test and more like an autistic inability to judge other peoples' emotions and limits.

    It reminds me, therefore, of The Skydivers, a classic "bad" film by autistic auteur Coleman Francis.

    https://youtu.be/n1l_fcxUKGw

    The grey flatness of the visuals, characters and plot is either incredibly depressing or (if you're like me and MST3k's Frank Conniff) oddly uplifting and life affirming, like reading Schopenhauer. If you're the former, the MST3k version with jokes might be a better experience.

    Gates only understands computers, and Coleman only understands small planes. Coleman's attempt to write a romantic tragedy is like Gates' attempts to "fix" the world.

    For more on Coleman, see my forthcoming book, Passing the Buck: Coleman Francis and Other Cinematic Metaphysicians.

    Replies: @utu

  102. @David In TN
    Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Harry Baldwin, @Hibernian, @ScarletNumber, @Wilkey

    Yes, one of Rush’s major blind spots was his worship of rich people. Also, his inability to see that every problem can’t be solved with capitalism. He even thought capitalism was the answer to universal healthcare.

    Another thing he did that irked me was his insistence that his example showed that anyone could make it big if they tried hard like he did. The fact is that Rush’s success, his nationwide syndication, took the jobs of probably hundreds of local radio talk show guys. Rush won big, but in “winner takes all” capitalism it came at a cost to others. I’m not blaming him for that–that’s just the way it works. I do blame him for not acknowledging it, though.

    • Agree: sayless
  103. I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.

    What makes you think that selling short would be a bonanza. Have you ever used Wndows?

  104. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing is likely: Bill Gates is never going to be a top 10 billionaire again.

    Something to keep in mind, all you young men looking to sign your life off via the worst business contract that exists in the western world.

    Conclusion: There is no vagina on any planet in the known universe that is worth half of what you own. Prep-nup or no nup. There will be no “me too” demonstrations taking place on your behalf outside the courthouse processing your divorce.

    • Replies: @everybodyhatesscott
    @Anonymous

    You clearly don't have kids.

  105. @Wade Hampton
    I was living in Seattle in 1994. The standing joke at that time was that Melinda French was about to find out what "MicroSoft" really meant.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @James N. Kennett

    Bill Gates can’t muster much keenness
    For pounding his wife’s mound of Venus.
    She seldom gets boffed;
    Microscopic and soft
    Is the usual state of his penis.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @the one they call Desanex

    Des, you are too funny. In the old days you found poetic humor such as this on the stall walls in the restroom.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

  106. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is weird, but now I have to trot out my own Bill Gates anecdote from 1988:

    Back then I was still wearing glasses, before the now stone-aged miracle of radial keratotomy made them unnecessary. I was picking up a new pair at an optical shop in Boulder when, out of the blue, the woman behind the counter asked me, "Do you know who Bill Gates is?"

    I explained that he owned a company that wrote programs that ran on small computers.

    She said, to paraphrase, "Oh. Well, yesterday there was a girl picking out new glasses here who was all giddy and happy. She said she was getting married to Bill Gates."

    That marriage apparently never happened, but now I wonder if that was the girl in Steve's story and that she failed the skydiving test. Either that or a nerd stalker. I've never figured it out.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rob McX, @Buffalo Joe

    Buzz, the girl bought the glasses, saw how nerdy Gates looked and opted out of the marriage.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have always thought Bill could use a makeover.

    I watched him transition from young entrepreneur to businessman-in-suit-clothes. Like Joe Biden transitioning from '50s cool guy to the '60s-'70's, Bill did not do well.

    With his money, he could have hired the best stylists on Earth to accentuate the bad boy and minimize the nerd. A little more rock-n-roll would have done the trick.


    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/gatesmug.jpg
    Arrested in New Mexico for driving his Porsche without a license.

  107. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish I could find the pol meme depicting wives where it starts out with a poor man’s wife (troll-level ugly) and progresses to increasing levels of good looks with increasing wealth but at the 10s of billions reverts to the same drawing as the poor man’s wife, to lampoon wives of Zuck, Gates, and some others.

  108. @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    Bill, when was the last time Gates flew on a commercial jet, even in first class.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Buffalo Joe

    He probably flies charters a lot. Stewardesses love those gigs.

  109. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob, @Jonathan Mason, @James N. Kennett

    I did that but she quit the engineering job after the second kid and hasn’t gone back. Second kid is now 29 years old…

  110. @the one they call Desanex
    @Wade Hampton

    Bill Gates can’t muster much keenness
    For pounding his wife’s mound of Venus.
    She seldom gets boffed;
    Microscopic and soft
    Is the usual state of his penis.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Des, you are too funny. In the old days you found poetic humor such as this on the stall walls in the restroom.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks, Joe. It’s actually an old one that I recycled for this occasion.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  111. @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad


    Don’t think “jump out of a plane with me” is really a top flight test for a prospective wife.
     
    "Jumping out of a plane with me" is a metaphor for something, though I am not sure what. Perhaps it reflects on Gates' tendency to always be right, regardless. The need to jump out of a perfectly good aiurplane foreshadowed the Gates/Covid saga.

    Regardless, the lack of imagination explains a lot about Windows.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    “Jumping out of a plane with me” is a metaphor for something, though I am not sure what.

    There is a great short story by George MacDonald called The Light Princess about jumping into lakes together…

    http://www.george-macdonald.com/resources1/light_princess.html

    When I was in university I used to have a dream about a girl I knew in which I would pull her down to the bottom of a lake and release her to let surface.

    Later, I was a taking a lifeguarding course and had to practice pulling a body up from the bottom of the pool. My partner was a buxom blonde girl, and I accidentally groped her while performing the prescribed towing method. When we reached the surface, she said, “let’s do that again!” and dove back down to the bottom of the pool. I was too cowardly to feel her up the second time, and she didn’t ask to repeat again.

  112. @Anonymous
    @Seek

    It was rare, and perceived as rare, on that front. And from both sides (left and right). The authoress had to defend herself on having a female villain as it was perceived as misogynistic. So Gone Girl don't prove squat.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t think so. This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, “celebrating” female triumph over any male, even in crime.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, 'celebrating' female triumph over any male, even in crime."

    Did you see either the original French movie or the American remake?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  113. @Hodag
    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038


    Nicholas Wade has a very long and convincing essay about the possible lab leak origin of Covid.

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    Replies: @clifford brown, @utu

    Thanks. Good article. Perhaps Ron Unz will reconsider his skepticism on Yuri Deigin work.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @utu

    From the article


    Deigin packed so much information and analysis into his essay that some have doubted it could be the work of a single individual and suggested some intelligence agency must have authored it. But the essay is written with greater lightness and humor than I suspect are ever found in CIA or KGB reports, and I see no reason to doubt that Dr. Deigin is its very capable sole author.
     

    Replies: @utu

  114. @Bill P
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gates has long had a reputation for getting around. According to local gossip he would have raging pool parties stocked with sexy women back in the 80s. Since he was an unmarried billionaire and under 40 at the time I totally believe it. Also, he probably didn't get much action in high school or college, so why not make up for it?

    Later, when in China in the late 90s, I heard similar rumors about him there.

    Why does a nerd want to get rich and powerful? To go to bed early on Saturday night and sing hymns on Sunday morning? Yeah, right.

    As for Ms. Wang, she was a (Chinese) flight attendant. A woman who flies to major cities all over the world and stays in hotels. Often the same hotels as the rich guys she's serving in first class...

    Melinda was clearly in it for the kids and the good life. Now that the kids are grown she's ready to retire.

    But yeah, I don't know why they bother with the divorce, either. What's the point unless you want to start a new family?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @JohnnyWalker123, @Anon, @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    There are so many smart and beautiful Chinese women. If Gates was a skirt-chaser back in the day, he wouldn’t fall for this weird-looking one.

  115. @Buffalo Joe
    @the one they call Desanex

    Des, you are too funny. In the old days you found poetic humor such as this on the stall walls in the restroom.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Thanks, Joe. It’s actually an old one that I recycled for this occasion.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @the one they call Desanex

    Des, I put you in a class with Shel Silverstein, and that is high praise from me.

  116. @utu
    @Hodag

    Thanks. Good article. Perhaps Ron Unz will reconsider his skepticism on Yuri Deigin work.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    From the article

    Deigin packed so much information and analysis into his essay that some have doubted it could be the work of a single individual and suggested some intelligence agency must have authored it. But the essay is written with greater lightness and humor than I suspect are ever found in CIA or KGB reports, and I see no reason to doubt that Dr. Deigin is its very capable sole author.

    • Replies: @utu
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "...some intelligence agency must have authored it...." - Iirc Ron Unz wondered whether Deigin's work could have been a team effort.

  117. @Anonymous Jew
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That reminds me of the Cheers skydiving episode. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the part where the pilot fakes a mayday to get Cliff and Norm to jump.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bh1EJx8lpIc

    I jumped at Shelton once when I was in my early 20s - coincidentally with coworkers. That is something I have no desire to do ever again. I almost had a heart attack in my 20s. Climb Rainier, yes. Jump from the same height? Not a chance.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Was that out of a C182 or the Kapowsin Twin Otters?

    I will check out your Cheers scene. Thanks.

    I tried to find the great scene in Fandango that goes along with P.L.’s Kissenger/Priest joke, in which (I’ll just tell you since I can’t find it), the jumper goes up with a pack full of laundry instead of the chute. They are already up in the air, so his buddies on the ground use the rest of the laundry to spell out “DON’T JUMP” in big letters. Unfortunately, the wind picks up and blows the laundry around till it says “GO JUMP” or something. It’s pretty hilarious, but here is another scene:

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Here's the best I can do, the original proofs for student movie that became Fandango:

    https://youtu.be/s3NylihMsno

    "A whole wash day shot to Hell"

    The other two are on YouTube. Just search for Fandango Movie Parachute Scene.

    , @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I watch that movie once a year with my kids. Uneven, but great in spots. “It looks fast!” “Yeah, it’s the stripes.”

  118. A former girlfriend told me that after jaw, ear, or some similar minor surgery, her doctor informed her that skydiving was on the list of things she was never to attempt. Not that she was in any hurry to; I couldn’t even get her on a roller coaster. (Nor Mrs C, either. Can’t wait till our daughter reaches minimum height, so I’ll have someone to scream and hug me on the way down.)

    But she had refused unless he could find another woman who would jump out of plane with her.

    Sometimes even that isn’t enough:

    Murderpedia: The Parachute murder

  119. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous Jew

    Was that out of a C182 or the Kapowsin Twin Otters?

    I will check out your Cheers scene. Thanks.

    I tried to find the great scene in Fandango that goes along with P.L.'s Kissenger/Priest joke, in which (I'll just tell you since I can't find it), the jumper goes up with a pack full of laundry instead of the chute. They are already up in the air, so his buddies on the ground use the rest of the laundry to spell out "DON'T JUMP" in big letters. Unfortunately, the wind picks up and blows the laundry around till it says "GO JUMP" or something. It's pretty hilarious, but here is another scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvWoT_s-R8

    Replies: @mmack, @JMcG

    Here’s the best I can do, the original proofs for student movie that became Fandango:

    “A whole wash day shot to Hell”

    The other two are on YouTube. Just search for Fandango Movie Parachute Scene.

  120. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob, @Jonathan Mason, @James N. Kennett

    Four Steps to a Happy Marriage…
    1. It is important to find a woman who cooks and cleans.
    2. It is important to find a woman who makes good money.
    3. It is important to find a woman who likes to have sex.
    4. It is important that these three women never meet.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  121. @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill P

    Bill, when was the last time Gates flew on a commercial jet, even in first class.

    Replies: @Bill P

    He probably flies charters a lot. Stewardesses love those gigs.

  122. @theMann
    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too.......

    Replies: @Kylie, @Truth, @Bill P

    “My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner….”

    I’m guessing, “Okay, honey, will do! Where’s the nearest geek?” wouldn’t have gotten me a ring.

  123. @YetAnotherAnon
    @utu

    From the article


    Deigin packed so much information and analysis into his essay that some have doubted it could be the work of a single individual and suggested some intelligence agency must have authored it. But the essay is written with greater lightness and humor than I suspect are ever found in CIA or KGB reports, and I see no reason to doubt that Dr. Deigin is its very capable sole author.
     

    Replies: @utu

    “…some intelligence agency must have authored it….” – Iirc Ron Unz wondered whether Deigin’s work could have been a team effort.

  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob, @Jonathan Mason, @James N. Kennett

    Maybe his name is going to come up somewhere in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jonathan Mason

    It'd be funny if this happened.

    Who knows? Maybe she'll throw Bill Gates under the bus in a plea deal.

  125. @Anon 2
    @AnotherDad

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian, @Wency

    Whatever Catholic Europe is doing by way of reproduction, it isn’t working. Hook-ups may be worth a try.

  126. @SafeNow
    The “skydiving test” for assessing prospective spouses is a variant of the venerable speed-dating question: “So! How are you crazy?” (The best response, btw, should be a smiling “Ah, where to begin, where to begin.” )

    I can suggest a better fast-test. In the movie “On the Beach,” Ava Gardner is just getting to know Gregory Peck. There is no time to waste. She asks him “What do you think about when the dentist is drilling?”

    Btw, if you don’t know and wish to try this superb, important, grim, timely movie about a post-nuclear-war world in microcosm, you can access the full movie by googling: “Beach 1959.” Gardner, Peck, Perkins, Astaire. It is free.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Thanks, I read the book as a pre-teen. Always meant to look up the movie, and now I shall.

  127. @AndrewR
    Lmaooooo that's hilarious. Who knew Sailer was so cutthroat?

    Imo it was a big red flag that Melinda demanded another female be present before she would skydive. A really good woman wouldn't need the validation or comfort of other women to do something her man wanted.

    Tbh Bill was always in a very unfortunate position when it came to love and marriage. He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who's not simply a gold digger? He was still anonymous enough then to get by pretending to not be loaded, but then what else did he have going for him? He is a funny looking nerd. His money is 99.9% of what would draw a woman to him..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @DextersLabRat, @Paul Jolliffe

    He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who’s not simply a gold digger?

    Family reunion. Set your cap on your 2d cousin.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Art Deco

    "Ew that's icky"

  128. @fitzhamilton
    @AnotherDad

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she'd jump out of an airplane or not? He's an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you'll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God's holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ - a Christian - loves his enemies. Love isn't emotional satisfaction, it's spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We're a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That's why our culture is collapsing.

    We're mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber

    “You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. “

    That’s literally correct, and it’s why (along of course with cash and prizes) most divorces are triggered by women.

    “Don’t you remember your vows?”

    “I know, I know – I promised to love, honour and obey, and I honestly meant that – at the time that I said it”

  129. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous Jew

    Was that out of a C182 or the Kapowsin Twin Otters?

    I will check out your Cheers scene. Thanks.

    I tried to find the great scene in Fandango that goes along with P.L.'s Kissenger/Priest joke, in which (I'll just tell you since I can't find it), the jumper goes up with a pack full of laundry instead of the chute. They are already up in the air, so his buddies on the ground use the rest of the laundry to spell out "DON'T JUMP" in big letters. Unfortunately, the wind picks up and blows the laundry around till it says "GO JUMP" or something. It's pretty hilarious, but here is another scene:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvWoT_s-R8

    Replies: @mmack, @JMcG

    I watch that movie once a year with my kids. Uneven, but great in spots. “It looks fast!” “Yeah, it’s the stripes.”

  130. Let’s see if Bill is as dumb as Jeff and hooks up with a woman roughly his age?

  131. @Mike Tre
    More proof status and position gets the girls. The sperg known as Bill Gates should have felt lucky to land a female with a lazy eye and a limp.

    What are the chances Gates winds up with a middle aged, coal burning ex-wife of an NBA player?

    Replies: @Truth

    What are the chances Gates winds up with a middle aged, coal burning ex-wife of an NBA player?

    I’m thinking he would end up having a lot more fun then he has for the last 20 years.

  132. @Stan Adams
    I read somewhere that the main reason Gates got married was because his mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer and wanted to attend her son's wedding before she died.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    She died about five months later, so the timing makes sense. Supposedly died of breast cancer. Fatal cases of breast cancer are well-telegraphed.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    Gates was something of a mama’s boy.

    When he learned of her passing, he jumped in his Porsche and, tears streaming down his face, raced down the road to his parents’ house. A highway patrolman pulled him over for speeding. The patrolman recognized Gates right away and asked him why he was crying. When Gates told him that his mother had just died, the cop just waved him on.

    I guess it’s not every day that you pull over the world’s richest man just after his mother has died.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR

  133. @theMann
    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too.......

    Replies: @Kylie, @Truth, @Bill P

    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too…….

    Safeway hasn’t moved into your county yet, Grizzly Adams?

    • Replies: @theMann
    @Truth

    I actually did grow up completely rural, the house "next door" was 3/4th of a mile down the road past their fields.

    I, and in no uncertain terms, expect a woman to have a skill set if she is going to be wife material, and frankly, every man should have a high set of expectations, as long as he is delivering the skill set expected of husband material.


    So two observations:

    1. Grid went down for a day or so a couple of times last winter here in Texas. It left most people absolutely helpless. If it had gone down for a week, a lot of people would have died.

    2. Low expectations are precisely what crap all over a marriage. As much has I loathe Bill Gates, if he was testing for a wife to be completely fearless, I actually respect that.

  134. @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who’s not simply a gold digger?

    Family reunion. Set your cap on your 2d cousin.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    “Ew that’s icky”

  135. @Anon 2
    @AnotherDad

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian, @Wency

    My youngest sister started dating her boyfriend when they were both 14. They are now both 60.

    My oldest sister met her husband at University and had never dated anybody before or after. They had a 40 years plus marriage before she passed away.

    My middle sister dated a few professional athletes before she married a farmer, and has been married for more than 40 years.

    Back in the days when we were young, people talked about “premarital sex” as the moral question of the day, rather than about fucking around.

    I think the culture of screwing around has made it much more difficult for people to form lasting relationships, because they will always be comparing the current partner to past partners and eyeing up potential future partners.

    I had always regarded Bill and Melinda Gates as kind of like the Royal family, like Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, where there was no possibility of divorce, regardless of infidelities, so it came as a shock to me to hear of the divorce.

    I guess I was just naive.

    Maybe in the near future marriages will just be like term life insurance. They will expire at 25 years unless both partners agreed to sign on and convert to a whole of life marriage.

    All marriages will have prenups. Mortgages for buying a family home will be customized so that they are paid off on the very day of the silver anniversary.

    Pensions for the first 25 years will be in joint accounts with the names of both partners.

    All married people will be required to have joint marital insurance policies that will kick in if either partner fails to fulfil the marriage contract, or dies.

  136. @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob, @Jonathan Mason, @James N. Kennett

    When you get married, choose a career girl with a good income. Minimizes alimony.

    Unless she says she sacrificed her career to raise your kids.

  137. @AndrewR
    Lmaooooo that's hilarious. Who knew Sailer was so cutthroat?

    Imo it was a big red flag that Melinda demanded another female be present before she would skydive. A really good woman wouldn't need the validation or comfort of other women to do something her man wanted.

    Tbh Bill was always in a very unfortunate position when it came to love and marriage. He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who's not simply a gold digger? He was still anonymous enough then to get by pretending to not be loaded, but then what else did he have going for him? He is a funny looking nerd. His money is 99.9% of what would draw a woman to him..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @DextersLabRat, @Paul Jolliffe

    She should’ve told him to fuck off. Who the hell forces someone to do such a risky and stressful thing to find out if they’re “the one”? What kind of stupid logic is that? These tech guys may have high IQs but they’re a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia, AKAHorace
    • Thanks: Rosie
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @DextersLabRat

    These tech guys may have high IQs but they’re a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    I just assume they are all small in the wang department. Like micropenis.

    Anyone who obsesses over making money by collecting data on people while being ultra rich has major compensation issues.

    Replies: @anon

    , @AndrewR
    @DextersLabRat

    I've always wanted to skydive. If I decided to do it then I definitely could see myself pressuring my hypothetical girlfriend into doing it. I don't want a coward for a wife.

    Hopefully you can show some data that proves that skydiving is really "risky." Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you're a neurotic wuss. I highly doubt that one skydive is riskier than driving 1,000 miles.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @black sea
    @DextersLabRat

    Yes, refusing to be pressured into doing something you consider unjustifiably dangerous is its own kind of courage. She should have just told him to look for somebody else if this was a deal breaker for him.

    PS: He would have backed down.

  138. @Wade Hampton
    I was living in Seattle in 1994. The standing joke at that time was that Melinda French was about to find out what "MicroSoft" really meant.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @James N. Kennett

    When The Joy of Sex was published on CD-ROM, there was a joke that it had a supplement about impotence on 3½” floppy.

  139. @clifford brown
    @Hodag

    COVID-19 may have originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Another interesting question, did Lord Fauci provide the funding for the development of the COVID-19 virus at the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

    Now, that would be ironic.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    The answers are yes, and yes. The surprising thing is that the mainstream media have ignored both questions.

  140. @Polistra
    CEO of Zoom Says He Has Zoom Fatigue

    https://m.wsj.net/video/20210504/ceoc0504zoomceofatigue.00002621.still001/ceoc0504zoomceofatigue.00002621.still001_1280x720.jpg

    Eric Yuan, the CEO of Zoom, told a virtual audience of The Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council Summit Tuesday that he had personally experienced Zoom fatigue. On one day last year, he said he had 19 Zoom meetings in a row.

    “I’m so tired of that,” Mr. Yuan said, adding that he no longer books back-to-back Zoom calls. “I do have meeting fatigue.”
     


    Jamie Dimon, chairman and CEO of JPMorgan, said more of his employees will return to the office starting this month, though he acknowledged they aren’t all happy about it. Remote work doesn’t work well for generating new ideas, preserving corporate culture and competing for clients—or “for those who want to hustle,” Mr. Dimon said, adding he has been back in the office for months.

    “I’m about to cancel all my Zoom meetings,” he said. “I’m done with it.”

    JPMorgan is phasing workers back into offices this spring and summer. “Yes, people don’t like commuting, but so what?” he said.
     

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/even-the-ceo-of-zoom-says-he-has-zoom-fatigue-11620151459

    Replies: @Rob McX

    He thinks he’s got problems – he should talk to Jeffrey Toobin.

  141. @Mr. Anon
    @Paleo Liberal


    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.
     
    The punchline I always heard was: "Don't worry. It's okay. The smartest man in the World just jumped out of the plane with my backpack."

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal

    That punchline works better with Gates, I will say.

    The difference between Kissinger and Gates:

    Kissinger lands with a splat like a bug on a windshield.
    Gates lands with a splat like a feature on a windshield.

  142. @Mr. Anon
    @Paleo Liberal


    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.
     
    The punchline I always heard was: "Don't worry. It's okay. The smartest man in the World just jumped out of the plane with my backpack."

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal

    That punchline works better with Gates, I will say.

    The difference between Kissinger and Gates:

    Kissinger lands with a splat like a bug on a windshield.
    Gates lands with a splat like a feature on a windshield.

  143. @theMann
    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too.......

    Replies: @Kylie, @Truth, @Bill P

    I saw an Eastern European reality TV show where the (good looking) ladies did just that, for a heavy, graying, middle aged Polish guy with a gold chain.

    To be fair it was more of a country show — no city folk involved. There are probably still a few of those types of women left in flyover America, but you won’t find them within 100 miles of a major city.

  144. @mmack
    "It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children."

    And there I was thinking I was being daring and suave taking the cute 🥰 blonde I was dating for a buzz above the suburbs in a Cessna way back when. There's always the one guy who has to one up everybody, isn't there?

    I guess the question is was nerdy into skydiving before this story and this was a true test of compatibility, or was Billy Boy thinking "What's the craziest thing I can ask her to do? I know: SKYDIVING!" as a loyalty test?

    In closing, just think Steve, had you and Mrs. Sailer joined them, you could be Director of Marketing and Market Research at Microsoft today. But then we'd never see your posts.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    In closing, just think Steve, had you and Mrs. Sailer joined them, you could be Director of Marketing and Market Research at Microsoft today. But then we’d never see your posts.

    But think how different Windows would be if Steve was in charge of marketing. Everyone would be able to buy a customised version to match their IQ, height and taste in golf course architecture.

  145. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - Nicholas Wade says in precis "the Wuhan lab, trained and funded by the US, probably created (using techniques learned in the US) and (inadvertantly) released Covid19".

    https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

    Because President Trump said the virus had escaped from a Wuhan lab, editors gave the idea little credence. They joined the virologists in regarding lab escape as a dismissible conspiracy theory. During the Trump Administration, they had no trouble in rejecting the position of the intelligence services that lab escape could not be ruled out. But when Avril Haines, President Biden’s director of National Intelligence, said the same thing, she too was largely ignored. This is not to argue that editors should have endorsed the lab escape scenario, merely that they should have explored the possibility fully and fairly.
     
    Fauci gets quite a pasting but so do others. The people who funded this work with taxpayer dollars got a load more taxpayer cash in August 2020!

    This man, until recently the top adviser to the British Prime Minister, predicted it in 2019.

    https://dominiccummings.com/2019/03/04/the-most-secure-bio-labs-routinely-make-errors-that-could-cause-a-global-pandemic-are-about-to-re-start-experiments-on-pathogens-engineered-to-make-them-mammalian-airborne-transmissible/

    Replies: @slumber_j

    That’s a really great article.

  146. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    I don't think so. This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, "celebrating" female triumph over any male, even in crime.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, ‘celebrating’ female triumph over any male, even in crime.”

    Did you see either the original French movie or the American remake?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Kylie

    Both.

    By the way, someone has mentioned - dammit, I forgot the title - one American movie from late 90's/early 00's, when a woman (actress has, I think, Italian-sounding surname & reminds me of Barbara Hershey) frames a guy in a whirlwind of sex, violence etc. He is slated to be executed, as far as I recall. She cynically visits him in a jail & destroys, at the end, entering a taxi, evidence that could have saved him. I thought that Jeff Daniels played the role of that guy, but I was wrong.

    A very good film where female diabolism triumphs. Just, I cannot remember the title.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  147. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    Young weirdoes on Twitter tell me that the Gates divorce, like the Bezos, is a ploy to skirt tax laws. I've been wondering what the mature and sensible Unz commentariat thinks.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Inquiring Mind

    I’ve been wondering what the mature and sensible Unz commentariat thinks.

    Cheat on your taxes as much as you can get away with. Our Founders thank you from their graves.

    Sensible enough for you? ;-}

    [MORE]

    Disclaimer: I am not a tax attorney, though I’ve played one on TV the internet.

  148. @Truth
    @theMann


    My wife materiel test is to hand a woman a live chicken and tell her to turn it into chicken dinner, but hey, jumping out of airplanes is a perfectly practical test too…….
     
    Safeway hasn't moved into your county yet, Grizzly Adams?

    Replies: @theMann

    I actually did grow up completely rural, the house “next door” was 3/4th of a mile down the road past their fields.

    I, and in no uncertain terms, expect a woman to have a skill set if she is going to be wife material, and frankly, every man should have a high set of expectations, as long as he is delivering the skill set expected of husband material.

    So two observations:

    1. Grid went down for a day or so a couple of times last winter here in Texas. It left most people absolutely helpless. If it had gone down for a week, a lot of people would have died.

    2. Low expectations are precisely what crap all over a marriage. As much has I loathe Bill Gates, if he was testing for a wife to be completely fearless, I actually respect that.

  149. @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The final report just came out on the recent fatal accident of the plane used by the Irish Parachute Club. The pilot, along with the 7 year old son of one of the skydivers, died in the crash. It was a classic stall-spin on the turn from base to final. The jumpers aren’t always the craziest people at a skydiving center.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh, on the way down and with a kid. That’s tragic. There was a King Air in Virginia a long time ago that did a hard pull-up on the initial climb-out as the jumpers want a fun ride. Accelerated stall… something like a dozen were killed.

  150. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    If Gates was trying to see if a woman would go sky-diving with him, it wasn’t a wife-material test. It was a will-she-do-anal test. Especially considering his interest in birth control and family planning.

  151. @Anonymous
    One thing is likely: Bill Gates is never going to be a top 10 billionaire again.

    Something to keep in mind, all you young men looking to sign your life off via the worst business contract that exists in the western world.

    Conclusion: There is no vagina on any planet in the known universe that is worth half of what you own. Prep-nup or no nup. There will be no "me too" demonstrations taking place on your behalf outside the courthouse processing your divorce.

    Replies: @everybodyhatesscott

    You clearly don’t have kids.

  152. @Liza
    I wonder if they talking about real parachuting, where you jump out by yourself, or those tandem jumps where you are tied to the tandem master, all hitched together in the same harness, where you are just a rider, i.e., a passenger. If you are frightened when they open the door of the aircraft - too bad, you go anyway. No guts required.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Liza, if it was the first time, it had to be a tandem or a static line jump. For the static line, you’ve still got to train for emergencies during the morning or so. You don’t get any freefall time for the 1st 5 jumps or so and you just go up to 3 or 4 thousand feet off the ground.

    Tandem is the full experience, from 10 or 12 thousand ft, but you are right that it’s not the same.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Hi. My first jump was not static line. I stepped onto the strut and the jumpmaster threw the pilot chute out after me after I stepped off. But I know what you mean - it wasn't my full responsibility to pull on my own. That didn't come til about my 15th jump, as I was a slow learner. I did have a stupid tandem jump much later as a gift to me. I did not like it - you have no control. If the tandem master has some kind of brain phart or decides to commit suicide in the most dramatic way imaginable - well, hullo, Jeezus. People going on a tandem ride never think of that possibility. A tandem ride is not skydiving. It's like being a passenger on a bus.

  153. @Truth

    Bill Gates' 1988 Wife-Material Test
     
    Husband-Material Test, Steve, not "wife."

    At our age, our vision starts deteriorating, I get this, trust me I am struggling with wearing glasses now; but c'mon!

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/93UnFV_a9T_Yf75IuP12lXVF1kQ=/0x0:647x486/1200x800/filters:focal(272x192:374x294)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63829850/melinda_gates_microsoft_e1556053803479.0.jpg

    Replies: @anon

    C’mon, man, what’s Jenner got to do with this situation? Huh?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @anon

    Caitlin would tell that person to hike up the estrogen treatments.

  154. @the one they call Desanex
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks, Joe. It’s actually an old one that I recycled for this occasion.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Des, I put you in a class with Shel Silverstein, and that is high praise from me.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  155. @Kylie
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "This movie belongs to the category of diabolically superior females, like Diabolique, 'celebrating' female triumph over any male, even in crime."

    Did you see either the original French movie or the American remake?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Both.

    By the way, someone has mentioned – dammit, I forgot the title – one American movie from late 90’s/early 00’s, when a woman (actress has, I think, Italian-sounding surname & reminds me of Barbara Hershey) frames a guy in a whirlwind of sex, violence etc. He is slated to be executed, as far as I recall. She cynically visits him in a jail & destroys, at the end, entering a taxi, evidence that could have saved him. I thought that Jeff Daniels played the role of that guy, but I was wrong.

    A very good film where female diabolism triumphs. Just, I cannot remember the title.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Last Seduction with Linda Fiorentino.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  156. @Achmed E. Newman
    Do you remember where they went to jump? There is a really cool private (paved) strip south of Seattle called Kapowsin. It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier so had spectacular views for the jumpers. There was some affair going on with a jumper and some guy who lived there's wife, so he made big noise complaints to someone and got the place shut down, and they had to move across the Sound to Shelton - a nice place to jump but 100 miles from Seattle.

    There was lots of skydiving at Harvey field to the north - Snohomish. It was a short strip though with not much landing area, so the non-experienced jumpers had to land a ways away and get a ride back. One time a plane wrecked into the house of the owners ...

    Your story makes Bill Gates into something of a weirdo even back in the 1990s. Are you saying he roped the ambitious new hire guy into forcing his wife to go jump?

    The fact is, the jumping part is pretty safe, even though when that door opens your instincts will always tell you clearly that you are being very stupid. However, the airplanes are sometimes a different story. The new guys would be out there right before their jump load: "Man, I don't think it's a good idea to jump out of a perfectly good airplane!" "Don't worry, guys, you're not jumping out of a perfectly good airplane."

    Here's another fun one: "What happens if the altimeter sticks?" "Just pull when the people look like ants. If the ants looks like people, you're too low."

    Replies: @JMcG, @mmack, @Anonymous Jew, @Bill Jones

    It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier.

    15 nano-meters is pretty close, do you always travel with your electron microscope?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bill Jones

    "nm" is also nautical miles, Bill.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Bill Jones

    I know, but like Oscar, I can resist anything but temptation.

    , @Graham
    @Bill Jones

    Christ, I thought I was the only person here pedantic enough to think of that!

  157. @Marat
    I met Gates at a buffet hosted by multiple software companies in one of the less flashy hotels at Comdex. All the rising bigwigs were in circulation the early 80s, including Steve Jobs, Scott McNealy and many notable and outspoken software characters whose ships would run aground in later years.

    Two things about Bill stood out: his greasy hair and he wiped his mouth with his tie. A wife, still years down the road, had her work cut out for her just making him presentable. In spite of her best efforts, he still had a reputation for bad grooming through the 90s and it remains to be seen if he reverts back to his natural state.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Your Gates’ manner recollection seems incongruous coming as he does from a long-wealthy, several generations of it, family.
    His parents fucked up.

  158. Liza says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Liza, if it was the first time, it had to be a tandem or a static line jump. For the static line, you've still got to train for emergencies during the morning or so. You don't get any freefall time for the 1st 5 jumps or so and you just go up to 3 or 4 thousand feet off the ground.

    Tandem is the full experience, from 10 or 12 thousand ft, but you are right that it's not the same.

    Replies: @Liza

    Hi. My first jump was not static line. I stepped onto the strut and the jumpmaster threw the pilot chute out after me after I stepped off. But I know what you mean – it wasn’t my full responsibility to pull on my own. That didn’t come til about my 15th jump, as I was a slow learner. I did have a stupid tandem jump much later as a gift to me. I did not like it – you have no control. If the tandem master has some kind of brain phart or decides to commit suicide in the most dramatic way imaginable – well, hullo, Jeezus. People going on a tandem ride never think of that possibility. A tandem ride is not skydiving. It’s like being a passenger on a bus.

  159. @Art Deco
    @Stan Adams

    She died about five months later, so the timing makes sense. Supposedly died of breast cancer. Fatal cases of breast cancer are well-telegraphed.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Gates was something of a mama’s boy.

    When he learned of her passing, he jumped in his Porsche and, tears streaming down his face, raced down the road to his parents’ house. A highway patrolman pulled him over for speeding. The patrolman recognized Gates right away and asked him why he was crying. When Gates told him that his mother had just died, the cop just waved him on.

    I guess it’s not every day that you pull over the world’s richest man just after his mother has died.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    In old movies, the motorcycle cop would give the celebrity a police escort in that situation. Babe Ruth several times got police escorts to Yankee Stadium, such as when he missed the start of a game due to being pulled over for speeding.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @AndrewR
    @Stan Adams

    If someone is already dead then what's the point of speeding to see their corpse? I'm sure his dad or whoever would have survived going an extra five minutes without Bill's presence. Apparently they did, given that he got pulled over.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  160. @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    Gates was something of a mama’s boy.

    When he learned of her passing, he jumped in his Porsche and, tears streaming down his face, raced down the road to his parents’ house. A highway patrolman pulled him over for speeding. The patrolman recognized Gates right away and asked him why he was crying. When Gates told him that his mother had just died, the cop just waved him on.

    I guess it’s not every day that you pull over the world’s richest man just after his mother has died.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR

    In old movies, the motorcycle cop would give the celebrity a police escort in that situation. Babe Ruth several times got police escorts to Yankee Stadium, such as when he missed the start of a game due to being pulled over for speeding.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    Both Gates and Steve Jobs were notorious speed demons.

    Jobs never even bothered to put license plates on his Mercedes. He routinely parked in handicapped spaces.

  161. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier.

    15 nano-meters is pretty close, do you always travel with your electron microscope?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones, @Graham

    “nm” is also nautical miles, Bill.

  162. And yet Bill ended up with a homely woman who, as a major magazine article reminded us not too long ago, was vocal about how she would not let her husband leave the kitchen after dinner until it was cleaned to her liking.

    And that’s before we get around to remembering she was the crazy witch in charge of Microsoft’s BOB debacle.

    On her best younger days, could’ve passed as a cute-brunette version of a frumpy Laura Linney. But for the most part, she was sub-par looks wise.

    Gates is a whipped gamma. She initiated this divorce.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @R.G. Camara


    And yet Bill ended up with a homely woman who, as a major magazine article reminded us not too long ago, was vocal about how she would not let her husband leave the kitchen after dinner until it was cleaned to her liking.

    And that’s before we get around to remembering she was the crazy witch in charge of Microsoft’s BOB debacle.

    On her best younger days, could’ve passed as a cute-brunette version of a frumpy Laura Linney. But for the most part, she was sub-par looks wise.

    Gates is a whipped gamma. She initiated this divorce.
     
    From the git-go, the moment I heard they were dating, and saw her photo, I thought - he's obviously not into her for her looks. Someone here rated her a 7.5 in her younger days. I would have rated her a shaky 2, with room on the downside.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  163. @Jonathan Mason
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Maybe his name is going to come up somewhere in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    It’d be funny if this happened.

    Who knows? Maybe she’ll throw Bill Gates under the bus in a plea deal.

  164. @Buffalo Joe
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz, the girl bought the glasses, saw how nerdy Gates looked and opted out of the marriage.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I have always thought Bill could use a makeover.

    I watched him transition from young entrepreneur to businessman-in-suit-clothes. Like Joe Biden transitioning from ’50s cool guy to the ’60s-’70’s, Bill did not do well.

    With his money, he could have hired the best stylists on Earth to accentuate the bad boy and minimize the nerd. A little more rock-n-roll would have done the trick.

    Arrested in New Mexico for driving his Porsche without a license.

  165. @Franz
    That is the saddest thing I ever heard.

    In 1994 dollars it would be peanuts to get a parachute-packer to futz up the lines and we'd all be living in a different world now.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Liza

    In addition to the fact that it would be horribly wrong, anyone who did that would be caught in a New York minute.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Hibernian


    ...anyone who did that would be caught in a New York minute.
     
    Yes. It wasn't a suggestion, just a quick daydream I should have kept to myself.

    But our 21st century masters-of-the-universe inspire this in me these days. Must be the lockdown.
  166. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Kylie

    Both.

    By the way, someone has mentioned - dammit, I forgot the title - one American movie from late 90's/early 00's, when a woman (actress has, I think, Italian-sounding surname & reminds me of Barbara Hershey) frames a guy in a whirlwind of sex, violence etc. He is slated to be executed, as far as I recall. She cynically visits him in a jail & destroys, at the end, entering a taxi, evidence that could have saved him. I thought that Jeff Daniels played the role of that guy, but I was wrong.

    A very good film where female diabolism triumphs. Just, I cannot remember the title.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    Last Seduction with Linda Fiorentino.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Ian Smith

    With Bill Pullman playing the patsy, or at least one of them.

  167. @David In TN
    Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Harry Baldwin, @Hibernian, @ScarletNumber, @Wilkey

    That was the Libertarian pre-Woke Bill Gates who said , at a deposition or hearing in the antitrust case, in answer to a question as to whether he might be more friendly to competitors, “Well, yea, if you want to be Communist about it.”

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  168. @Anon 2
    @AnotherDad

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian, @Wency

    In Europe, on the other hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    They’re so much more civilized then we are. Just ask the people who’ve been killed by terrorists in France.

  169. @anon
    @Truth

    C'mon, man, what's Jenner got to do with this situation? Huh?

    Replies: @Truth

    Caitlin would tell that person to hike up the estrogen treatments.

  170. But think how different Windows would be if Steve was in charge of marketing. Everyone would be able to buy a customised version to match their IQ, height and taste in golf course architecture.

    Would still be better than anything Ballmer worked on.

  171. @DextersLabRat
    @AndrewR

    She should've told him to fuck off. Who the hell forces someone to do such a risky and stressful thing to find out if they're "the one"? What kind of stupid logic is that? These tech guys may have high IQs but they're a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @black sea

    These tech guys may have high IQs but they’re a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    I just assume they are all small in the wang department. Like micropenis.

    Anyone who obsesses over making money by collecting data on people while being ultra rich has major compensation issues.

    • Replies: @anon
    @John Johnson

    They're nerds. Nerds have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders and identify with societal outsiders/freaks (non-Whites, women, homosexuals) or are degenerates.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  172. @fitzhamilton
    @AnotherDad

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she'd jump out of an airplane or not? He's an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you'll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God's holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ - a Christian - loves his enemies. Love isn't emotional satisfaction, it's spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We're a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That's why our culture is collapsing.

    We're mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber

    Bravo.

  173. @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    In old movies, the motorcycle cop would give the celebrity a police escort in that situation. Babe Ruth several times got police escorts to Yankee Stadium, such as when he missed the start of a game due to being pulled over for speeding.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Both Gates and Steve Jobs were notorious speed demons.

    Jobs never even bothered to put license plates on his Mercedes. He routinely parked in handicapped spaces.

  174. @Anon
    The interesting thing about the divorce is that it was Melinda who filed the papers. She dumped him, not the other way around.

    My guess is that consuming liberal media brainwashed her to the point where being an SJW ate her brain completely. Her whole identity is now bound up with being an SJW. She's decided she could do more good in life and feed her ego more without being hampered by him.

    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he's balked at that. He likely feels he's already done more than enough. He's the one who's admitted that his African education initiative hasn't gone anywhere, and he's already done all he's inclined to do with African vaccines. He's seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she 'can't be wrong.' Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Wilkey

    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines. He’s seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she ‘can’t be wrong.’ Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

    This sounds plausible as a reason for them not just staying together in a distant-but-vaguely-amicable, limited-partnership-style marriage at this stage of their lives.

    There’s been plenty of Substitute Savioring emanating from the Gateses for many years now; it wouldn’t at all be surprising if Bill is getting sick of these expensive fiascos. Even though he obviously doesn’t need the money, he may still find it embarassing to have his name prominently associated with initiatives that end up looking ridiculous. This would indicate that he’s not fully, irrevocably, 100% Woke.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    it wouldn’t at all be surprising if Bill is getting sick of these expensive fiascos. Even though he obviously doesn’t need the money, he may still find it embarrassing to have his name prominently associated with initiatives that end up looking ridiculous. This would indicate that he’s not fully, irrevocably, 100% Woke.

    Well Bill is the one that bought into libertarian garbage about the teacher's unions causing racial gaps.

    He and Betsy DeVos spent over half a billion on charter schools and common core. There are archived posts where he talks about fixing public education by removing bad teachers.

    Then all of a sudden he walks away from it and goes back to funding vaccines.

    I honestly don't think we should even have billionaires. Most of them are deluded globalists and even when they learn they are wrong they are too arrogant to admit it.

    If the GOP had a clue they would become a middle class populist party and stop defending the rich. They didn't get the memo that most billionaires are Democrats.

  175. @Hibernian
    @Franz

    In addition to the fact that it would be horribly wrong, anyone who did that would be caught in a New York minute.

    Replies: @Franz

    …anyone who did that would be caught in a New York minute.

    Yes. It wasn’t a suggestion, just a quick daydream I should have kept to myself.

    But our 21st century masters-of-the-universe inspire this in me these days. Must be the lockdown.

  176. @fitzhamilton
    @AnotherDad

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she'd jump out of an airplane or not? He's an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you'll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God's holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ - a Christian - loves his enemies. Love isn't emotional satisfaction, it's spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We're a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That's why our culture is collapsing.

    We're mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber

    You are being too harsh on the present. I have been reading some history of marriage. An amusing book I saw recently is this: (This is actually a dissertation)

    The Legitimacy of Bastards: The Place of Illegitimate Children in Later Medieval England

    For the nobility and gentry in later medieval England, land was a source of wealth and status. Their marriages were arranged with this in mind, and it is not surprising that so many of them had mistresses and illegitimate children. John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, married at the age of twenty to a ten-year-old granddaughter of Edward I, had at least eight bastards and a complicated love life.

    In theory, bastards were at a considerable disadvantage. Regarded as ‘filius nullius’ or the son of no one, they were unable to inherit real property and barred from the priesthood. In practice, illegitimacy could be less of a stigma in late medieval England than it became between the sixteenth and late twentieth centuries. There were ways of making provision for illegitimate offspring and some bastards did extremely well in the church, through marriage, as soldiers, and a few even succeeding to the family estates.

    The Legitimacy of Bastards is the first book to consider the individuals who had illegitimate children, the ways in which they provided for them and attitudes towards both the parents and the bastard children. It also highlights important differences between the views of illegitimacy taken by the Church and by the English law.

  177. @anon
    This divorce is all the fault of clippy. All of it. It is 100% clippy's fault!

    https://theneedling.com/2021/05/04/bill-gates-confirms-the-divorce-is-100-clippys-fault/

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Or maybe Bill got too insufferably liberal for even Melinda? I know they don’t run their own twitter, but I am assuming they have some direction regarding their public image. Her twitter comes across as some quaint late 90s liberal. Pretty lame but benign and not oozing with hostility or academic jargon.

    Bill’s feed is 100 % wokety-woke, though. It’s borderline a parody of itself.

    She had a post about Easter, Bill did not even acknowledge it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @S. Anonyia

    Or maybe Bill got too insufferably liberal for even Melinda?

    https://s3.crackedcdn.com/blogimages/2009/08/clippydialogue4.jpg

  178. @Pat Hannagan
    I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It's definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the "alt-right": that measurement scale doesn't replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton's laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It's worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin's observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman's obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper's Red for the first time? It's the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKW5n5r3E

    Replies: @Paulbe, @PhysicistDave, @Philip Owen, @Anonymous, @SaneClownPosse

    Some of you Americans may remember this band as Angel City.

  179. @S. Anonyia
    @anon

    Or maybe Bill got too insufferably liberal for even Melinda? I know they don't run their own twitter, but I am assuming they have some direction regarding their public image. Her twitter comes across as some quaint late 90s liberal. Pretty lame but benign and not oozing with hostility or academic jargon.

    Bill’s feed is 100 % wokety-woke, though. It's borderline a parody of itself.

    She had a post about Easter, Bill did not even acknowledge it.

    Replies: @anon

    Or maybe Bill got too insufferably liberal for even Melinda?

  180. @Anon
    The interesting thing about the divorce is that it was Melinda who filed the papers. She dumped him, not the other way around.

    My guess is that consuming liberal media brainwashed her to the point where being an SJW ate her brain completely. Her whole identity is now bound up with being an SJW. She's decided she could do more good in life and feed her ego more without being hampered by him.

    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he's balked at that. He likely feels he's already done more than enough. He's the one who's admitted that his African education initiative hasn't gone anywhere, and he's already done all he's inclined to do with African vaccines. He's seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she 'can't be wrong.' Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Wilkey

    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines.

    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet’s most boring continent?

    You want to cure malaria, then fine. But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa. If Gates tried to address them in a serious way he might actually succeed at doing something useful.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet’s most boring continent?

    Because he has guilt over his monopoly days.

    He is also a bitter globalist. Just look at his face. I've seen homeless people that looked happier.

    But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa.

    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  181. @DextersLabRat
    @AndrewR

    She should've told him to fuck off. Who the hell forces someone to do such a risky and stressful thing to find out if they're "the one"? What kind of stupid logic is that? These tech guys may have high IQs but they're a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @black sea

    I’ve always wanted to skydive. If I decided to do it then I definitely could see myself pressuring my hypothetical girlfriend into doing it. I don’t want a coward for a wife.

    Hopefully you can show some data that proves that skydiving is really “risky.” Otherwise I’m just gonna assume you’re a neurotic wuss. I highly doubt that one skydive is riskier than driving 1,000 miles.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    See my reply comment to Dissident, Andrew. Skydiving is a thrill. It's not that awful risky, as you wrote. However, women are different than men. A woman could understandably like a risk-taking guy. A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he's not interested in marriage and children.

    I make an exception for those few for who skydiving is their life basically - "Eat, Fuck, Skydive!" is what they say before they jump out of the plane - I kid you not.

    Replies: @anon, @OilcanFloyd

  182. @David In TN
    Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Harry Baldwin, @Hibernian, @ScarletNumber, @Wilkey

    sometime in the late 1990s… Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended [Gates]

    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

  183. @Stan Adams
    @Art Deco

    Gates was something of a mama’s boy.

    When he learned of her passing, he jumped in his Porsche and, tears streaming down his face, raced down the road to his parents’ house. A highway patrolman pulled him over for speeding. The patrolman recognized Gates right away and asked him why he was crying. When Gates told him that his mother had just died, the cop just waved him on.

    I guess it’s not every day that you pull over the world’s richest man just after his mother has died.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR

    If someone is already dead then what’s the point of speeding to see their corpse? I’m sure his dad or whoever would have survived going an extra five minutes without Bill’s presence. Apparently they did, given that he got pulled over.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    Sentimental, aren't you?

  184. @fitzhamilton
    @AnotherDad

    Bill assessed the character of his potential future wife by whether she'd jump out of an airplane or not? He's an idiot.

    The only test for a good wife is an air tight prenuptial contract that annihilates the possibility of a no fault divorce. Fault is defined as documented physical or extreme emotional abuse, radical legal betrayal, or documented sexual infidelity.

    If she leaves you without radical cause, you get everything. The kids, the house, the money. Everything.

    If you radically betray her, you'll get what you deserve. Nothing.

    Marriage means family. It means kids, grand kids, perpetuity. It means that you take her until death to have and to hold, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, according to God's holy ordinance.

    You swear to love her until death, like Christ - a Christian - loves his enemies. Love isn't emotional satisfaction, it's spiritual commitment to the point of crucifixion.

    You make a vow you keep it. Anything less is effeminate. Sheer faggotry.

    We're a culture of faggots now. Hardly anyone means to keep their vows anymore. That's why our culture is collapsing.

    We're mostly all selfish self obsessed liars, unwilling to suffer for the sake of truth and love, who make all our vows with our fingers crossed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @epebble, @ScarletNumber

    an air tight prenuptial contract

    Judges in the family court favor women (c.f. Philip Greenspun). Therefore, any air-tight prenup that is seen as unfair to the woman will be thrown out as unconscionable. Also, prenups don’t cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    The only way out of this is to get rid of the concept of no-fault divorce. If a man does nothing wrong, his wife shouldn’t be able to take him to the cleaners just because she is bored.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ScarletNumber

    Also, prenups don’t cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    Gates' youngest child is 19.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @plannumber9
    @ScarletNumber

    According to a friend of mine (who no feminist and has no gripe with men) the family courts in Maryland, or at least the part of it outside DC where she is, favor men. She herself has never been divorced or married, just seen others. I was surprised. Stories I heard many years ago seemed to indicate the opposite. Never been in a family court myself, and in the one couple I know who separated, the husband kept the house and most of the property and they shared custody of the teenage son.. But both of them made good money.

  185. @DextersLabRat
    @AndrewR

    She should've told him to fuck off. Who the hell forces someone to do such a risky and stressful thing to find out if they're "the one"? What kind of stupid logic is that? These tech guys may have high IQs but they're a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @black sea

    Yes, refusing to be pressured into doing something you consider unjustifiably dangerous is its own kind of courage. She should have just told him to look for somebody else if this was a deal breaker for him.

    PS: He would have backed down.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  186. @tr
    @Art Deco

    Strange. I've heard that Steve Jobs also had hygiene issues.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Well when Steve Jobs worked at Atari, he went on a fruitarian diet. He felt that one of the benefits of this diet was that his body didn’t produce odor. Therefore, he didn’t wear deodorant or shower. He was assigned to the nightshift so he would offend fewer people.

    While this is more annoying than dangerous, his crockpot theories bit him in the ass when he got cancer and tried to cure it holistically.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ScarletNumber

    While this is more annoying than dangerous, his crockpot theories bit him in the ass when he got cancer and tried to cure it holistically.

    He had pancreatic cancer. That he survived with it as long as he did is what amazes.

  187. @Thoughts
    @Jonathan Mason

    It sounds more like Bill and Melinda had a contract marriage and once the eldest child hit 18, the contract was up

    Melinda may have hoped that the contract would continue as you suggest, but Bill had other ideas

    A contract marriage fits better with the 'Wife tests' and pros and cons whiteboard and bizarre weekend with the ex gf Dailymail has been harping about

    I highly doubt this was a 'love match' from the start

    And yes, a woman in a contract marriage, no matter how rich, upon realizing she will in fact spend her old age alone...would be rather bitter

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    once the eldest child hit 18, the contract was up

    Youngest, and indeed this was the case, as all of the children have now reached majority.

  188. @Escher
    OT:
    Very well written article on the likely source of COVID19. Nicholas Wade is one of the few journalists around who still dares to speak his mind.

    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Thanks.

  189. @Pat Hannagan
    I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It's definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the "alt-right": that measurement scale doesn't replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton's laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It's worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin's observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman's obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper's Red for the first time? It's the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKW5n5r3E

    Replies: @Paulbe, @PhysicistDave, @Philip Owen, @Anonymous, @SaneClownPosse

    Pat Hannagan asked:

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score?

    Someone who is mentally insane.

    • LOL: John Johnson
  190. @Thoughts
    Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest

    There's no substitute for a long and happy marriage of people who genuinely enjoy each other's company...no tests, no tricks needed to get there

    And it didn't work, because rumor has it Bill had to buy one daughter into college...and his other daughter is marrying...a supremely nice but Egyptian guy...so..success in children is past any Test you can run on your spouse

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Thoughts wrote:

    Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest

    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    But I’ve never heard a STEM guy say “Bill Gates invented __________.”

    Gates is a savvy negotiator, marketer, etc. No doubt has an IQ above average.

    But does anyone know anything Gates has contributed to technology?

    For comparison: I once had an office-mate who was the guy who invented TTL logic (Jim Buie). I also worked with the inventor of the Lange coupler (Julius Lange). Both very, very nice fellows and, of course, pretty bright. Bill Gates is not in their class.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    Oh give me a break. You obviously don't know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn't own.

    It's an internet myth that he was always a businessman and never programmed anything.

    But I’ve never heard a STEM guy say “Bill Gates invented __________.”

    So what?

    You don't have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven't invented anything.

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers. He had numerous competitors that tried doing the same thing to no avail.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @anon
    @PhysicistDave

    Steve Jobs couldn't code

  191. @Ian Smith
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Last Seduction with Linda Fiorentino.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    With Bill Pullman playing the patsy, or at least one of them.

  192. @Paleo Liberal
    @Paleo Liberal

    Here is the version I heard, with Kissinger



    A hippy, a priest and Henry Kissinger are in a small private plane.

    At one point the pilot puts on a parachute, informs the passengers the plane is about the crash, but there are only 2 remaining parachutes for the other three passengers. Their problem, pilot jumps.

    Kissinger says to the hippy: “ I am dee most intelligent and important person in dee vorld. Give me dee parachute.” Kissinger jumps.

    Priest: “you are a young man with a full life ahead of you. I am a simple old priest. I have made my peace with God. You take the parachute “

    Hippy: “it’s okay, man. I gave Kissinger my backpack”.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Nicholas Stix

    I heard a variation, via Mark Russell, from the ’80s.

    Ronald Reagan finds himself on a desert island with the Ayatollah Khomeini, Yassir Arafat, and Newt Gingrich, but his gun only holds two bullets. What does he do? He shoots Newt twice.

    • LOL: sayless
  193. @AndrewR
    Lmaooooo that's hilarious. Who knew Sailer was so cutthroat?

    Imo it was a big red flag that Melinda demanded another female be present before she would skydive. A really good woman wouldn't need the validation or comfort of other women to do something her man wanted.

    Tbh Bill was always in a very unfortunate position when it came to love and marriage. He was already very rich by 1988. How do you find a woman who's not simply a gold digger? He was still anonymous enough then to get by pretending to not be loaded, but then what else did he have going for him? He is a funny looking nerd. His money is 99.9% of what would draw a woman to him..

    Replies: @Art Deco, @DextersLabRat, @Paul Jolliffe

    Whiskey made that very point here on I-Steve years ago.

    I haven’t seen his posts lately- is “Whiskey” still commenting here?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Yes, he still posts often.

  194. @ScarletNumber
    @David In TN


    sometime in the late 1990s... Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended [Gates]
     
    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton's justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.

    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey

    The DOJ judgement on Microsoft was a joke. MS had to keep the OS and Office as two separate divisions, but it was still left alone as a company, so essentially there was no change. But the unintended consequence was huge: 1) the toothless ruling led to all subsequent monopolies not just in tech but also telecom, media, pharma etc., and 2) it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth - lawyers and lobbyists.

    John Roberts should've been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020. It's time to end the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS judges. They should get ten year terms and that's that.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Wilkey

    Yes. Software for writers by writers. I remember it well.

    Another fantastic bit of software was the outlining program, Grandview.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Wilkey

    I wasn't saying Clinton & Reno were wrong. I was just explaining why Rush Limbaugh took Gates' side.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey

    But the trend of the future was that all software would eventually become free or would be bundled with the operating system.

    I can't remember when I last paid for a piece of software except for a couple of cell phone apps that were a few dollars and are better than the free versions.

    Now I use Linux and don't even have to pay for the operating system. There is only one Windows program that I miss that was an excellent clipboard application that cost me $20.

    So Word Perfect was eventually eaten up by Microsoft Word in the business world, and individuals moved to Open Office.

    I think WordPerfect survived for a while in the legal world, just like faxes survive today in the medical world, apparently because they are more secure than any other format for transmitting data.

    My great-grandfather had a livery business renting out horses, but after World War I he bought a motor bus that had been used as an ambulance during the war and took people for trips to the coast at weekends. And his wife made sandwiches and drinks to sell to them.

    If he had not done that my cousins would still be shoveling horseshit today.

    , @Dissident
    @Wilkey


    Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.
     
    Selected excerpts from a May, 1998 opinion piece:

    Robert Bork, former federal appeals court judge and the best Supreme Court justice we never had, dissents. The judge, who represents a Microsoft competitor, is calling for strong antitrust action to halt the company's "predatory practices."
    [...]
    Bork isn't opposed to monopolies per se, as long as they provide benefits for consumers. [...]

    Bork notes that the software giant "imposes conditions on those with whom it deals that exclude rivals without any apparent justification on the grounds of efficiency." Daniel Oliver, Reagan's chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, concurs.
    [...]
    Then there is the most persistent fallacy on the right (beloved of the open-border boyos) that immigration is a godsend for America.
    [...]
    Just as liberals worship equality, anti-government conservatives believe that only blessings can come from unrestrained capitalism -- what they call the free movement of goods and people.
    [...]
    Real conservatives are increasingly fighting a two-front war -- against the egalitarian, anti-family left on one side and the anti-nationalist, marketplace-euphoric right on the other.
     
    The excerpts quoted above are from Conservative chasm: pragmatism vs. worship of marketplace by (then) syndicated Boston Globe columnist Don Feder.

    (NOTE: I disavow at least much at the site that is the linked source of the column.)
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Wilkey


    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices.
     
    WP contributed to their demise by being very late to having a Windows version.
  195. @David In TN
    Speaking of Bill Gates, sometime in the late 1990s, Gates was being criticized in the media. I forget exactly why. Rush Limbaugh aggressively defended him. Rush spent 3-4 days of his program, all three hours every day, praising Bill Gates, who even then was something of a left-winger.

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money. It took him nearly to the time of his death to fully realize these characters embrace the far left.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Harry Baldwin, @Hibernian, @ScarletNumber, @Wilkey

    Rush had a hero-worship for men who made a huge pile of money.

    Rush spent several days kissing David Letterman’s ass before going on Letterman’s show. Then he went on the show and Letterman was a complete asshole to him.

  196. @ScarletNumber
    @tr

    Well when Steve Jobs worked at Atari, he went on a fruitarian diet. He felt that one of the benefits of this diet was that his body didn't produce odor. Therefore, he didn't wear deodorant or shower. He was assigned to the nightshift so he would offend fewer people.

    While this is more annoying than dangerous, his crockpot theories bit him in the ass when he got cancer and tried to cure it holistically.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    While this is more annoying than dangerous, his crockpot theories bit him in the ass when he got cancer and tried to cure it holistically.

    He had pancreatic cancer. That he survived with it as long as he did is what amazes.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  197. @ScarletNumber
    @fitzhamilton


    an air tight prenuptial contract
     
    Judges in the family court favor women (c.f. Philip Greenspun). Therefore, any air-tight prenup that is seen as unfair to the woman will be thrown out as unconscionable. Also, prenups don't cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    The only way out of this is to get rid of the concept of no-fault divorce. If a man does nothing wrong, his wife shouldn't be able to take him to the cleaners just because she is bored.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @plannumber9

    Also, prenups don’t cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    Gates’ youngest child is 19.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Art Deco

    1) Child support generally doesn't stop at 18 if the child is in college.

    2) We were talking about divorce rape in a general sense, not the Gateses in particular, as Bill can easily afford whatever settlement is reached or whatever a judge would decree.

  198. @AndrewR
    @Stan Adams

    If someone is already dead then what's the point of speeding to see their corpse? I'm sure his dad or whoever would have survived going an extra five minutes without Bill's presence. Apparently they did, given that he got pulled over.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sentimental, aren’t you?

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  199. Anon[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Articles are now coming out insinuating Gates had deeper ties to Jeffrey Epstein than he claimed:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/melinda-gates-warned-bill-about-jeffrey-epstein/ar-BB1grpTd?li=BBorjTa&ocid=mailsignout

    Lots of people are named in that article, including quite a number from Microsoft, people I knew about when working there in the late 90’s, including Linda Stone and Nathan Myhrvold, and of course Harvard’s Alan Dershowitz, all Jews. Myhrvold was a Princeton grad that Gates hired just because he was “smart”. He worked at MS Research for a long time, no one ever knew what he invented. After leaving MS he wrote a 4 volume book on the science of cooking. He got obscenely rich through Microsoft, started his own company called Intellectual Ventures which is basically a patent troll. These people just can’t help themselves.

    For what it’s worth I don’t think Gates or Myhrvold are pedophiles. I think Epstein probably tried to lure them into his orbit for Mossad, but I doubt he succeeded. But then you never know. Microsoft does have a large office in Israel, but then so do most major tech firms.

  200. While I can’t say I know for certain, I suspect Melinda Gates wanted to really start enjoying her old age and the limitless time and wealth available to her, with her family, but Bill Gates remained dedicated to becoming Shadow Emperor of the World. To the extent it is about money (which she already had), it might be that whole bit about how Bill said he wouldn’t give any to his kids (ha), and she decided she wanted to.

    Anyhow, this seems almost like the Bezos affair. Wife wants to enjoy her time, Husband wants to continue Empire building, Wife cracks. I’m not really bad mouthing the Empire Building Drive, but at some point he should have just gone and enjoyed a few less galas and a few more family vacations. If this is the case.

    EIither way, this is a global victory. Half the fortune of the Tyrant King of Washington is about to be locked off, and money is this man’s soul and obsession.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Boomthorkell

    Great analysis.

    He’s hitting the absolute peak of his ego in his mid 60s, which is odd. He has this slick website “GatesNotes” where he pontificates (assisted by overly flattering cartoon Bill sometimes) about a number of subjects he isn’t really qualified to seriously discuss, especially climate change. The worst part might be his book review section, though.

    I think his envy of more interesting billionaires might be driving his current empire building.

    He doesn’t seem to be interested in new tech if it doesn’t have some political angle.

    I was unaware of GatesNotes until a few days ago, but after browsing, it is clear the man has some serious issues and is probably a menace to the world (even more than the anti-Vaxxers suggest, but for different reasons).

  201. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    The DOJ judgement on Microsoft was a joke. MS had to keep the OS and Office as two separate divisions, but it was still left alone as a company, so essentially there was no change. But the unintended consequence was huge: 1) the toothless ruling led to all subsequent monopolies not just in tech but also telecom, media, pharma etc., and 2) it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth – lawyers and lobbyists.

    John Roberts should’ve been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020. It’s time to end the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS judges. They should get ten year terms and that’s that.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon


    John Roberts should’ve been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020.
     
    You missed one in between, #216. That is, Roberts' BS ruling on Obamacare. I figure he's been bribed or blackmailed. Nobody's that stupid.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @anon


    ...it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth – lawyers and lobbyists.
     
    That was the whole point of the suit - the tech companies were not paying protection money hiring lobbyists to represent their interests in DC. Everybody got the message.
  202. Liza says:
    @Franz
    That is the saddest thing I ever heard.

    In 1994 dollars it would be peanuts to get a parachute-packer to futz up the lines and we'd all be living in a different world now.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Liza

    Yes, I guess it is not impossible to find someone who will mis-pack a main parachute. However, military parachutists/sport parachutists/skydivers/tandem masters don’t jump without a reserve and no skydiving joint would ever allow a beginner to jump without one. A reserve chute (packed with much TLC) must be packed by a certified rigger and a log is kept. Not easy to get away with mis-packing a reserve.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Yep, and if you have to use it, case of beer for the rigger... at the very least!

    (It has to be re-packed every 120 days, as I recall.)

    Replies: @Liza

  203. @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad


    Yet when it comes to alpha and omega of being an alpha male–women, sex, children, descendants–these guys are ho-hum betas and are bound by the same rules. Bill Gates has a few orders of magnitude more loot than me, but the same three kids.
     
    This is my usual criticism of the manosphere's lingo- it is imprecise. Who is alpha, beta, ...?

    They say alpha is a leader, dominant personality etc. OK, but what then with virtually sexless leaders like Lenin or Hitler (onkl Adi had his secrets, but mostly as a perv)? If the manosphere community had clear& loud said: We are talking only about erotic relationships, don't misapply Greek alphabet to other areas of human experience- I would have taken their ideas into consideration. But- they didn't.

    And regards progeny, it doesn't mean much for any level of dominance. George Floyd has 5 children.

    Replies: @Spect3r

    You have to stop reading Jewish propaganda.
    There are many interviews with Hitler’s house servants where they say that Hitler and Eva had a normal relationship, sex included, like any other couple.
    And you can bet that if there is someone who knows what happens in the house, including in the bedroom, are the house servants.

  204. @Kent Nationalist
    In Britain, billionaire Telegraph owner Frederick Barclay has to pay his bizzarre-looking, Japanese wife Hiroko a mere £100 million .

    https://image.assets.pressassociation.io/v2/image/production/f67c81132fde678b88854f0d231b8920Y29udGVudHNlYXJjaGFwaSwxNjIwMzA4MTU2/2.45747446.jpg?w=640

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9545955/Sir-Frederick-Barclay-pay-estranged-wife-Lady-Hiroko-100million-marriage-split.html

    His stepson was amusingly a big UKIP donor.

    https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-02/19/7/enhanced/webdr05/original-4237-1424348346-8.jpg?downsize=700%3A%2A&output-quality=auto&output-format=auto

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/property-developer-son-of-daily-telegraphs-billionaire-owner

    Replies: @Spect3r

    Are you sure thats a woman?!?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Spect3r

    Uh, now we're getting somewhere. Hell it's only taken a decade 'round these parts.

  205. Wency says:
    @Anon 2
    @AnotherDad

    American friends of mine have always told me, “Don’t even think of
    marrying an American woman.” For an early negative opinion of American
    women I recommend Hemingway’s short story “The Short Happy
    Life of Francis Macomber” (1936). It even turns out that American women
    are arrested and commit murder at higher rates than their European
    counterparts. Of course, American girls have always been known for being
    loose and having no self-respect. In continental, that is predominantly
    Catholic Europe, dating is virtually unknown. Already in high school
    people have access to vast extended families and social circles, they pair off
    at young ages and marry the same person years later. I personally
    know a well-educated couple who met when they were both 16, and
    recently got married at 29. Personally, I blame the toxic American culture,
    with its worship of the gods of the marketplace (along with the
    religion of shopping) for corrupting both men and women in this country.
    It’s all about greed, man!

    Although it’s also true that the quality of life in the U.S. has deteriorated so
    much in the last 30 years, due to open borders, etc, that it now takes enormous effort
    to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other
    hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life (but no luxuries) although
    the recent appearance of gendarmes with machine guns on every corner in
    France or Italy is making it harder.

    Replies: @black sea, @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian, @Wency

    it now takes enormous effort to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life

    For at least the right half of the curve, I think it’s still a lot easier to make a living here. And even some people in the middle: I know a French auto mechanic in his 30s who immigrated to the US in his late 20s and reports that it’s much easier to make a living in the States. He bought himself a reasonable middle class suburban house in flyover country, found a wife, had two kids, tells me there’s no way he could afford to live this way in France.

    And I’m not really that big an America-booster. I think European culture has its advantages, but America’s strong suit has always been earning money, and this is still true for anyone with above-average IQ who applies himself.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Wency

    Even corporate CEO's in Europe live in 1600 sq ft houses. There is a great youtube of Earth Firster's picketing Orville Moody Stewart's house (he was chairman Royal Dutch Shell) and Mr. Sailer might have as big a house. There are European royals houses that look like slums compared to median Goldman Sachs butt holes.

  206. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    Young weirdoes on Twitter tell me that the Gates divorce, like the Bezos, is a ploy to skirt tax laws. I've been wondering what the mature and sensible Unz commentariat thinks.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Inquiring Mind

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  207. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon


    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines. He’s seen the limits of what can be achieved with spending his money, but his wife has only doubled-down with she ‘can’t be wrong.’ Fixing everything wrong with Africans was likely her idea in the first place.

     

    This sounds plausible as a reason for them not just staying together in a distant-but-vaguely-amicable, limited-partnership-style marriage at this stage of their lives.

    There's been plenty of Substitute Savioring emanating from the Gateses for many years now; it wouldn't at all be surprising if Bill is getting sick of these expensive fiascos. Even though he obviously doesn't need the money, he may still find it embarassing to have his name prominently associated with initiatives that end up looking ridiculous. This would indicate that he's not fully, irrevocably, 100% Woke.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    it wouldn’t at all be surprising if Bill is getting sick of these expensive fiascos. Even though he obviously doesn’t need the money, he may still find it embarrassing to have his name prominently associated with initiatives that end up looking ridiculous. This would indicate that he’s not fully, irrevocably, 100% Woke.

    Well Bill is the one that bought into libertarian garbage about the teacher’s unions causing racial gaps.

    He and Betsy DeVos spent over half a billion on charter schools and common core. There are archived posts where he talks about fixing public education by removing bad teachers.

    Then all of a sudden he walks away from it and goes back to funding vaccines.

    I honestly don’t think we should even have billionaires. Most of them are deluded globalists and even when they learn they are wrong they are too arrogant to admit it.

    If the GOP had a clue they would become a middle class populist party and stop defending the rich. They didn’t get the memo that most billionaires are Democrats.

  208. @PhysicistDave
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts wrote:


    Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest
     
    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    But I've never heard a STEM guy say "Bill Gates invented __________."

    Gates is a savvy negotiator, marketer, etc. No doubt has an IQ above average.

    But does anyone know anything Gates has contributed to technology?

    For comparison: I once had an office-mate who was the guy who invented TTL logic (Jim Buie). I also worked with the inventor of the Lange coupler (Julius Lange). Both very, very nice fellows and, of course, pretty bright. Bill Gates is not in their class.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon

    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    Oh give me a break. You obviously don’t know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn’t own.

    It’s an internet myth that he was always a businessman and never programmed anything.

    But I’ve never heard a STEM guy say “Bill Gates invented __________.”

    So what?

    You don’t have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven’t invented anything.

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers. He had numerous competitors that tried doing the same thing to no avail.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:


    Oh give me a break. You obviously don’t know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn’t own.
     
    Trivial and insignificant.

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it's trivial.

    Yes,, Bill Gates knew how to program. Like millions of other people. Does not make him that smart.

    JJ also wrote:

    You don’t have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven’t invented anything.
     
    And very few are "super smart."

    JJ also wrote:

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers.
     
    Well, you got that right: he ripped off other people's work and got rich off it.

    Look, I am pretty tall. I am not very athletic.

    No sensible person equates "tall" with "athletic," even though some athletes are indeed tall.

    You seem to be conflating "rich" with "smart." We have two different words for those concepts because they are not necessarily the same thing.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is "super smart" unless you just equate "rich" with "smart."

    Look back at my original post: I simply made the point that because Gates is a tech oligarch, some people assume he must be super smart at STEM. That is an error. And what you have said confirms that fact: yeah, Gates certainly was skilled at "appropriating exiting technology." But not at creating it.

    I have worked with numerous STEM people who created more technology than Bill Gates.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @nebulafox

  209. @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    Yes. Software for writers by writers. I remember it well.

    Another fantastic bit of software was the outlining program, Grandview.

  210. @Wilkey
    @Anon


    My suspicion is that she wants to spend a LOT more of his money on social crusades, and he’s balked at that. He likely feels he’s already done more than enough. He’s the one who’s admitted that his African education initiative hasn’t gone anywhere, and he’s already done all he’s inclined to do with African vaccines.
     
    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet's most boring continent?

    You want to cure malaria, then fine. But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa. If Gates tried to address them in a serious way he might actually succeed at doing something useful.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet’s most boring continent?

    Because he has guilt over his monopoly days.

    He is also a bitter globalist. Just look at his face. I’ve seen homeless people that looked happier.

    But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa.

    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @John Johnson


    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.
     
    The superstar globalists only exist because of the First World middle class. They need a middle/working class of relatively high average intelligence in order to prosper. Africa and Pre-Columbian America didn’t give birth to people like Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart, ad infinitum. The West did. And there’s a reason for that. The white, Western working class is irreplaceable. They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

  211. @jon
    Since we are sharing Gates anecdotes, his dad was an attorney who basically rode his sons coattails to fame. It kind of a joke among attorneys in Seattle.

    He became a named partner in a small Seattle firm, Shidler, McBroom Gates and Lucas, based on having Microsoft as an account. A much older firm, Preston Thorgrimson Ellis & Holman, then merged with them to get the Microsoft account. When they merged, only Gates and the founding partner's names from the smaller firm were added to the name of the merged firm, Preston Thorgrimson, Shidler, Gates & Ellis. As Microsoft grew, Gates name got bumped to more prominence, with the firm eventually becoming Preston, Gates & Ellis. PG&E then merged with another even bigger firm, and even though it was many years after Gates Sr.'s retirement, his was the only name that made it into the merged firm name, K&L Gates.

    I'm hoping my son also does something big, my career needs a boost right about now.

    Replies: @RegretLeft

    Very interesting – I had not heard that side of things. The other side has it that Gates Sr. was very wealthy (he was tight with the Rockefeller Foundation). His wife sat on some board with IBM CEO J Akers – and it was she who prodded Akers to send a planeload of IBM techs to assist Bill Jrs struggling software firm in AZ .. which subsequently was awarded the IBM contract to develop DOS – the first OS for the IBM PC – circa 1980. The rest is history.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @RegretLeft

    1. MicroSoft was located in New Mexico. They relocated to the Seattle suburbs in 1979, pre-DOS.

    2. Papa Bill Gates was the son of a small town merchant. He attended state schools (and would have had GI Bill benefits). The house they were living in in 1954 is still standing. It was built in 1951 and has 1,170 sq feet of interior space. The house they were living in in 1960 is also still standing. It was built in 1956 and has about 1,600 sq feet of interior space. A descendant of the firm he worked for during the period running from 1950 to 1964 is still in business; it has about 40 lawyers.

  212. @Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Looks like just another confirmation of what we already knew: Asian women are the champions of human evolution. Looking forward to Bill's announcement of his engagement to Miss Wang.

    Replies: @anon

    Asian women are the champions of gold digging

  213. @anon
    @Wilkey

    The DOJ judgement on Microsoft was a joke. MS had to keep the OS and Office as two separate divisions, but it was still left alone as a company, so essentially there was no change. But the unintended consequence was huge: 1) the toothless ruling led to all subsequent monopolies not just in tech but also telecom, media, pharma etc., and 2) it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth - lawyers and lobbyists.

    John Roberts should've been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020. It's time to end the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS judges. They should get ten year terms and that's that.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    John Roberts should’ve been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020.

    You missed one in between, #216. That is, Roberts’ BS ruling on Obamacare. I figure he’s been bribed or blackmailed. Nobody’s that stupid.

  214. @Liza
    @Franz

    Yes, I guess it is not impossible to find someone who will mis-pack a main parachute. However, military parachutists/sport parachutists/skydivers/tandem masters don't jump without a reserve and no skydiving joint would ever allow a beginner to jump without one. A reserve chute (packed with much TLC) must be packed by a certified rigger and a log is kept. Not easy to get away with mis-packing a reserve.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yep, and if you have to use it, case of beer for the rigger… at the very least!

    (It has to be re-packed every 120 days, as I recall.)

    • Thanks: RSDB
    • Replies: @Liza
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Right you are about the beer! Also, I thought it was twice a year for repacking, but maybe it's 120 days in some places. What a horrible responsibility, being a rigger.

  215. @PhysicistDave
    @Thoughts

    Thoughts wrote:


    Sometimes I think smart people are the stupidest
     
    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    But I've never heard a STEM guy say "Bill Gates invented __________."

    Gates is a savvy negotiator, marketer, etc. No doubt has an IQ above average.

    But does anyone know anything Gates has contributed to technology?

    For comparison: I once had an office-mate who was the guy who invented TTL logic (Jim Buie). I also worked with the inventor of the Lange coupler (Julius Lange). Both very, very nice fellows and, of course, pretty bright. Bill Gates is not in their class.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon

    Steve Jobs couldn’t code

  216. @Spect3r
    @Kent Nationalist

    Are you sure thats a woman?!?

    Replies: @Truth

    Uh, now we’re getting somewhere. Hell it’s only taken a decade ’round these parts.

  217. @John Johnson
    @DextersLabRat

    These tech guys may have high IQs but they’re a bunch of weirdos. Him, Zuckerborg, Bozo, all their relationships are like some bizarro, mutated half-there version of the real thing.

    I just assume they are all small in the wang department. Like micropenis.

    Anyone who obsesses over making money by collecting data on people while being ultra rich has major compensation issues.

    Replies: @anon

    They’re nerds. Nerds have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders and identify with societal outsiders/freaks (non-Whites, women, homosexuals) or are degenerates.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @anon

    They’re nerds. Nerds have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders and identify with societal outsiders/freaks (non-Whites, women, homosexuals) or are degenerates.

    Yea but Steve is a nerd.

    50 bucks says that Steve uses urinals while tech nerd CEOs use the stall.

    These guys have crazy control issues. Nerds are often resentful but these guys take it to another level.

  218. @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    I wasn’t saying Clinton & Reno were wrong. I was just explaining why Rush Limbaugh took Gates’ side.

  219. @Art Deco
    @ScarletNumber

    Also, prenups don’t cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    Gates' youngest child is 19.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    1) Child support generally doesn’t stop at 18 if the child is in college.

    2) We were talking about divorce rape in a general sense, not the Gateses in particular, as Bill can easily afford whatever settlement is reached or whatever a judge would decree.

  220. @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    But the trend of the future was that all software would eventually become free or would be bundled with the operating system.

    I can’t remember when I last paid for a piece of software except for a couple of cell phone apps that were a few dollars and are better than the free versions.

    Now I use Linux and don’t even have to pay for the operating system. There is only one Windows program that I miss that was an excellent clipboard application that cost me $20.

    So Word Perfect was eventually eaten up by Microsoft Word in the business world, and individuals moved to Open Office.

    I think WordPerfect survived for a while in the legal world, just like faxes survive today in the medical world, apparently because they are more secure than any other format for transmitting data.

    My great-grandfather had a livery business renting out horses, but after World War I he bought a motor bus that had been used as an ambulance during the war and took people for trips to the coast at weekends. And his wife made sandwiches and drinks to sell to them.

    If he had not done that my cousins would still be shoveling horseshit today.

  221. @Wency
    @Anon 2


    it now takes enormous effort to maintain even a modicum of a pleasant lifestyle. In Europe, on the other hand, it’s still fairly easy to have a pleasant life
     
    For at least the right half of the curve, I think it's still a lot easier to make a living here. And even some people in the middle: I know a French auto mechanic in his 30s who immigrated to the US in his late 20s and reports that it's much easier to make a living in the States. He bought himself a reasonable middle class suburban house in flyover country, found a wife, had two kids, tells me there's no way he could afford to live this way in France.

    And I'm not really that big an America-booster. I think European culture has its advantages, but America's strong suit has always been earning money, and this is still true for anyone with above-average IQ who applies himself.

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    Even corporate CEO’s in Europe live in 1600 sq ft houses. There is a great youtube of Earth Firster’s picketing Orville Moody Stewart’s house (he was chairman Royal Dutch Shell) and Mr. Sailer might have as big a house. There are European royals houses that look like slums compared to median Goldman Sachs butt holes.

  222. @Pat Hannagan
    I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It's definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the "alt-right": that measurement scale doesn't replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton's laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It's worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin's observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman's obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper's Red for the first time? It's the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKW5n5r3E

    Replies: @Paulbe, @PhysicistDave, @Philip Owen, @Anonymous, @SaneClownPosse

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score?

    An engineer.

    • Disagree: RSDB
    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Philip Owen

    An engineer would make at least some effort to assess the robustness and applicability of a given test design.

    Come to think of it, maybe this explains a lot about Microsoft products over the years...

  223. Anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It's definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the "alt-right": that measurement scale doesn't replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton's laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It's worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin's observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman's obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper's Red for the first time? It's the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKW5n5r3E

    Replies: @Paulbe, @PhysicistDave, @Philip Owen, @Anonymous, @SaneClownPosse

    Women the world over put men through “[email protected]#$ tests” to see that they are not simpering puppydogs.

  224. https://www.unz.com/isteve/bill-gates-1988-wife-material-test/#comment-4641988

    Dissident says:
    May 7, 2021 at 11:08 pm GMT • 1 minute ago • 200 Words

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    Is the need to resort to such a reckless extreme for mere thrills not indicative, not only of a mere flaw in character but of a profound void in one’s self? Does the man who is sufficiently grounded in a sense of purpose; wholesomely connected to family and community; at peace with himself and his Creator, have a need to resort to such antics?*

    I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.

    Hmm, so maybe there just might be something to certain speculation that’s been expressed here concerning Mr. Sailer’s ancestry…

    *

    [MORE]
    And no, I make no claims to being any exemplar in any of these traits.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dissident

    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    You have zero understanding of women. Especially young women. This is totally not a surprise.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dissident


    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.
     
    I agree completely, here. A woman might think a man is good marriage material if he is the type to enjoy skydiving - it may or may not be a good hint of what kind of a man he is - for some women good, for some bad. For a woman though, why would a man LIKE a risk-taker like that, with the exception of it being his life-long hobby and wanting a partner to enjoy this thrill with him?

    You're asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don't mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely "you all do your crazy guy shit. I'm gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time." We are different types of people, but that's (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn't get.

    Excellent comment, Dissident.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  225. @Paul Jolliffe
    @AndrewR

    Whiskey made that very point here on I-Steve years ago.

    I haven’t seen his posts lately- is “Whiskey” still commenting here?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Yes, he still posts often.

  226. @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Selected excerpts from a May, 1998 opinion piece:

    Robert Bork, former federal appeals court judge and the best Supreme Court justice we never had, dissents. The judge, who represents a Microsoft competitor, is calling for strong antitrust action to halt the company’s “predatory practices.”
    […]
    Bork isn’t opposed to monopolies per se, as long as they provide benefits for consumers. […]

    Bork notes that the software giant “imposes conditions on those with whom it deals that exclude rivals without any apparent justification on the grounds of efficiency.” Daniel Oliver, Reagan’s chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, concurs.
    […]
    Then there is the most persistent fallacy on the right (beloved of the open-border boyos) that immigration is a godsend for America.
    […]
    Just as liberals worship equality, anti-government conservatives believe that only blessings can come from unrestrained capitalism — what they call the free movement of goods and people.
    […]
    Real conservatives are increasingly fighting a two-front war — against the egalitarian, anti-family left on one side and the anti-nationalist, marketplace-euphoric right on the other.

    The excerpts quoted above are from Conservative chasm: pragmatism vs. worship of marketplace by (then) syndicated Boston Globe columnist Don Feder.

    (NOTE: I disavow at least much at the site that is the linked source of the column.)

  227. @ScarletNumber
    @fitzhamilton


    an air tight prenuptial contract
     
    Judges in the family court favor women (c.f. Philip Greenspun). Therefore, any air-tight prenup that is seen as unfair to the woman will be thrown out as unconscionable. Also, prenups don't cover child support, so she will get her pound of flesh that way.

    The only way out of this is to get rid of the concept of no-fault divorce. If a man does nothing wrong, his wife shouldn't be able to take him to the cleaners just because she is bored.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @plannumber9

    According to a friend of mine (who no feminist and has no gripe with men) the family courts in Maryland, or at least the part of it outside DC where she is, favor men. She herself has never been divorced or married, just seen others. I was surprised. Stories I heard many years ago seemed to indicate the opposite. Never been in a family court myself, and in the one couple I know who separated, the husband kept the house and most of the property and they shared custody of the teenage son.. But both of them made good money.

  228. @anon
    @John Johnson

    They're nerds. Nerds have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders and identify with societal outsiders/freaks (non-Whites, women, homosexuals) or are degenerates.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    They’re nerds. Nerds have chips on their shoulders the size of boulders and identify with societal outsiders/freaks (non-Whites, women, homosexuals) or are degenerates.

    Yea but Steve is a nerd.

    50 bucks says that Steve uses urinals while tech nerd CEOs use the stall.

    These guys have crazy control issues. Nerds are often resentful but these guys take it to another level.

  229. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/bill-gates-1988-wife-material-test/#comment-4641988

    Dissident says:
    May 7, 2021 at 11:08 pm GMT • 1 minute ago • 200 Words


    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.
     
    If anything, wouldn't the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    Is the need to resort to such a reckless extreme for mere thrills not indicative, not only of a mere flaw in character but of a profound void in one's self? Does the man who is sufficiently grounded in a sense of purpose; wholesomely connected to family and community; at peace with himself and his Creator, have a need to resort to such antics?*


    I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.
     
    Hmm, so maybe there just might be something to certain speculation that's been expressed here concerning Mr. Sailer's ancestry...

    * And no, I make no claims to being any exemplar in any of these traits.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    You have zero understanding of women. Especially young women. This is totally not a surprise.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @anon


    You have zero understanding of women. Especially young women. This is totally not a surprise.
     
    You appear to have misunderstood my comment. I had merely averred concerning the correct, prudent and responsible response of a woman to the proposition in-question. I did not mean to suggest that there would be anything surprising about one who responded otherwise.
  230. @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    My question is why would a man worth over $150 billion (if you include the value of his foundation, which you should) spend so much time and money dealing with the most boring problem on the planet’s most boring continent?

    Because he has guilt over his monopoly days.

    He is also a bitter globalist. Just look at his face. I've seen homeless people that looked happier.

    But the problems facing the First World as Western Civilization apparently decides to commit suicide seem far more interesting and consequential than the problems faced by Africa.

    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.

    The superstar globalists only exist because of the First World middle class. They need a middle/working class of relatively high average intelligence in order to prosper. Africa and Pre-Columbian America didn’t give birth to people like Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart, ad infinitum. The West did. And there’s a reason for that. The white, Western working class is irreplaceable. They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Wilkey


    They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.
     
    Do you view Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg as being on the same level as Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart and other similar men?
    , @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    You are correct but the globalists don't care.

    They imagine themselves creating the geniuses behind gated communities and if the White middle class drops off the earth then good riddance.

    In fact they resent that Whites of all classes can create geniuses.

    They consider this to be deeply unfair and they also fear anti-globalist leaders from Whites. No other race is going to challenge them.

  231. @Boomthorkell
    While I can't say I know for certain, I suspect Melinda Gates wanted to really start enjoying her old age and the limitless time and wealth available to her, with her family, but Bill Gates remained dedicated to becoming Shadow Emperor of the World. To the extent it is about money (which she already had), it might be that whole bit about how Bill said he wouldn't give any to his kids (ha), and she decided she wanted to.

    Anyhow, this seems almost like the Bezos affair. Wife wants to enjoy her time, Husband wants to continue Empire building, Wife cracks. I'm not really bad mouthing the Empire Building Drive, but at some point he should have just gone and enjoyed a few less galas and a few more family vacations. If this is the case.

    EIither way, this is a global victory. Half the fortune of the Tyrant King of Washington is about to be locked off, and money is this man's soul and obsession.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Great analysis.

    He’s hitting the absolute peak of his ego in his mid 60s, which is odd. He has this slick website “GatesNotes” where he pontificates (assisted by overly flattering cartoon Bill sometimes) about a number of subjects he isn’t really qualified to seriously discuss, especially climate change. The worst part might be his book review section, though.

    I think his envy of more interesting billionaires might be driving his current empire building.

    He doesn’t seem to be interested in new tech if it doesn’t have some political angle.

    I was unaware of GatesNotes until a few days ago, but after browsing, it is clear the man has some serious issues and is probably a menace to the world (even more than the anti-Vaxxers suggest, but for different reasons).

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
  232. @R.G. Camara
    And yet Bill ended up with a homely woman who, as a major magazine article reminded us not too long ago, was vocal about how she would not let her husband leave the kitchen after dinner until it was cleaned to her liking.

    And that's before we get around to remembering she was the crazy witch in charge of Microsoft's BOB debacle.

    On her best younger days, could've passed as a cute-brunette version of a frumpy Laura Linney. But for the most part, she was sub-par looks wise.

    Gates is a whipped gamma. She initiated this divorce.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    And yet Bill ended up with a homely woman who, as a major magazine article reminded us not too long ago, was vocal about how she would not let her husband leave the kitchen after dinner until it was cleaned to her liking.

    And that’s before we get around to remembering she was the crazy witch in charge of Microsoft’s BOB debacle.

    On her best younger days, could’ve passed as a cute-brunette version of a frumpy Laura Linney. But for the most part, she was sub-par looks wise.

    Gates is a whipped gamma. She initiated this divorce.

    From the git-go, the moment I heard they were dating, and saw her photo, I thought – he’s obviously not into her for her looks. Someone here rated her a 7.5 in her younger days. I would have rated her a shaky 2, with room on the downside.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Johann Ricke


    Someone here rated her a 7.5 in her younger days. I would have rated her a shaky 2, with room on the downside.
     
    I can see it. She's an easy 7.5...on a scale of 50! The funny thing is that his mistress may be worse. Looks like Gilbert has blazed a trail through the Omega-Mus.
  233. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Liza

    Yep, and if you have to use it, case of beer for the rigger... at the very least!

    (It has to be re-packed every 120 days, as I recall.)

    Replies: @Liza

    Right you are about the beer! Also, I thought it was twice a year for repacking, but maybe it’s 120 days in some places. What a horrible responsibility, being a rigger.

  234. @Pat Hannagan
    I’m remind of an anecdote I’ve trotted out many times before about the arduous set of tests Gates devised to find his first wife.

    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.

    Dating as a series of tests to put a prospective partner through, after first passing an initial visual test (I assume), is pure Judeo-American culture point. Are there any other cultures where partners put each other through tests as to whether either are marriageable? It's definitely not Australian, though it may be changing.

    This is the thing that struck me about the so called Socio-Sexual Hierarchy that infests the "alt-right": that measurement scale doesn't replicate well outside of Judeo-American culture! The socio-sexual hierarchy is actually a projection of Judeo-American cultural mores and not some ironclad law that binds mankind like Newton's laws of physics the universe.

    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score? It's worth thinking about.

    Much like Anglin's observation https://dailystormer.su/meanwhile-on-the-earth/ is the purest example of Neil Postman's obviously true assessment of the inanity of modern life brought about through the medium of the TV. The inanity of modern life is the necessary consequence of the medium of TV, and so it is that as the Judeo-American Empire sp[reads throughout the world like a noxious weed via that same medium all life on earth becomes devoid of transcendence. It becomes a meaningless set of data points.

    Has Bill Gates ever felt the thrill of attraction and just gone with it, like one feels when tasting, say, a Cooper's Red for the first time? It's the basis of a lifetime love that conquers all metrics, a marriage made in heaven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRgKW5n5r3E

    Replies: @Paulbe, @PhysicistDave, @Philip Owen, @Anonymous, @SaneClownPosse

    Each test was probably pass/fail.

  235. @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    Bill Gates is not that smart.

    Non-STEM people figure Gates must be super-smart because he is a rich computer guy.

    Oh give me a break. You obviously don't know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn't own.

    It's an internet myth that he was always a businessman and never programmed anything.

    But I’ve never heard a STEM guy say “Bill Gates invented __________.”

    So what?

    You don't have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven't invented anything.

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers. He had numerous competitors that tried doing the same thing to no avail.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    John Johnson wrote to me:

    Oh give me a break. You obviously don’t know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn’t own.

    Trivial and insignificant.

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it’s trivial.

    Yes,, Bill Gates knew how to program. Like millions of other people. Does not make him that smart.

    JJ also wrote:

    You don’t have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven’t invented anything.

    And very few are “super smart.”

    JJ also wrote:

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers.

    Well, you got that right: he ripped off other people’s work and got rich off it.

    Look, I am pretty tall. I am not very athletic.

    No sensible person equates “tall” with “athletic,” even though some athletes are indeed tall.

    You seem to be conflating “rich” with “smart.” We have two different words for those concepts because they are not necessarily the same thing.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is “super smart” unless you just equate “rich” with “smart.”

    Look back at my original post: I simply made the point that because Gates is a tech oligarch, some people assume he must be super smart at STEM. That is an error. And what you have said confirms that fact: yeah, Gates certainly was skilled at “appropriating exiting technology.” But not at creating it.

    I have worked with numerous STEM people who created more technology than Bill Gates.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it’s trivial.

    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don't own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn't install an operating system.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is “super smart” unless you just equate “rich” with “smart.

    I don't equate rich with smart but yes he is both super smart and super amoral. It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    I despise the guy but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend he is just some slimeball salesmen like Ballmer.

    Go read my post history. I'm very critical of Gates for engaging in race denial and declaring that teachers are to blame for racial gaps. He spent a few hundred million on crap like common core and then quietly went back to funding his malaria vaccine.

    Gates is proof that smart people can be duped by liberalism.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Adam Smith

    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    >I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    So have I: it's how I taught myself basic pointer manipulation, many years ago. I'm nowhere near on your intellectual level. It's not a hard task at all.

    There are *way* more important factors in who succeeds and who doesn't than intellect. Again: the term is "necessary, but not sufficient". Bill Gates probably couldn't have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.

    In the past, I suspect the biggest factor was hard work and grit. In the present, it is being the best grifter and guangxi-maker. In the future? Let's hope it isn't being the best warlord. Our elites are doing their damndest to ensure that future with their present priorities.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  236. @Wilkey
    @John Johnson


    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.
     
    The superstar globalists only exist because of the First World middle class. They need a middle/working class of relatively high average intelligence in order to prosper. Africa and Pre-Columbian America didn’t give birth to people like Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart, ad infinitum. The West did. And there’s a reason for that. The white, Western working class is irreplaceable. They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    Do you view Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg as being on the same level as Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart and other similar men?

  237. @Dissident
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/bill-gates-1988-wife-material-test/#comment-4641988

    Dissident says:
    May 7, 2021 at 11:08 pm GMT • 1 minute ago • 200 Words


    It turned out that Gates wanted to try skydiving with his then-girlfriend, apparently as a test of whether she was worthy of being the mother of his children.
     
    If anything, wouldn't the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    Is the need to resort to such a reckless extreme for mere thrills not indicative, not only of a mere flaw in character but of a profound void in one's self? Does the man who is sufficiently grounded in a sense of purpose; wholesomely connected to family and community; at peace with himself and his Creator, have a need to resort to such antics?*


    I got him to promise me that if Gates’ parachute didn’t open, he’d call me as soon as he landed so I could sell Microsoft short.
     
    Hmm, so maybe there just might be something to certain speculation that's been expressed here concerning Mr. Sailer's ancestry...

    * And no, I make no claims to being any exemplar in any of these traits.

    Replies: @anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    I agree completely, here. A woman might think a man is good marriage material if he is the type to enjoy skydiving – it may or may not be a good hint of what kind of a man he is – for some women good, for some bad. For a woman though, why would a man LIKE a risk-taker like that, with the exception of it being his life-long hobby and wanting a partner to enjoy this thrill with him?

    You’re asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don’t mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely “you all do your crazy guy shit. I’m gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time.” We are different types of people, but that’s (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn’t get.

    Excellent comment, Dissident.

    • Thanks: Dissident
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don’t mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely “you all do your crazy guy shit. I’m gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time.” We are different types of people, but that’s (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn’t get.

    The real problem with the risk taking woman is that women in general have sex available to them but are normally held back to some degree by their timidity.

    So the risk taking woman is more likely to have:
    1. Picked up an STD from risky sexual encounters
    2. Much more likely to get bored with marriage and seek risk taking behavior
    3. Emotional baggage from previous relationships

    Men should run.....not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @PhysicistDave

  238. @Wilkey
    @ScarletNumber


    Gates and Microsoft were being sued into oblivion by Bill Clinton’s justice department, led by Janet Reno. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Limbaugh defended Gates.
     
    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices. Microsoft was an early example of the tech industry’s monopolistic tendencies, and Clinton’s DOJ was right to take them on, as Republicans are just now realizing to our chagrin over two decades later.

    Replies: @anon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @ScarletNumber, @Jonathan Mason, @Dissident, @Jim Don Bob

    My older brother worked for a company, WordPerfect, that was rather brutally being driven to destruction by Gates’s business practices.

    WP contributed to their demise by being very late to having a Windows version.

  239. @AndrewR
    @DextersLabRat

    I've always wanted to skydive. If I decided to do it then I definitely could see myself pressuring my hypothetical girlfriend into doing it. I don't want a coward for a wife.

    Hopefully you can show some data that proves that skydiving is really "risky." Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you're a neurotic wuss. I highly doubt that one skydive is riskier than driving 1,000 miles.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    See my reply comment to Dissident, Andrew. Skydiving is a thrill. It’s not that awful risky, as you wrote. However, women are different than men. A woman could understandably like a risk-taking guy. A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he’s not interested in marriage and children.

    I make an exception for those few for who skydiving is their life basically – “Eat, Fuck, Skydive!” is what they say before they jump out of the plane – I kid you not.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he’s not interested in marriage and children.

    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @RSDB

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I've been skydiving once, but it was tandem, since it was a paid for dare. It was ok. It's probably more of a thrill if you jump by yourself. The only dangers would be if your parachute is packed wrong, or if you freeze and don't activate the parachute. I opened the parachute and guided us down, and it was surprising how easy the landing was. We landed in stride.

    I wonder if Bill Gates goes solo, and if the test would be to see if the woman trusts him as a tandem partner. It would be interesting to know what the actual test was.

  240. @anon
    @Wilkey

    The DOJ judgement on Microsoft was a joke. MS had to keep the OS and Office as two separate divisions, but it was still left alone as a company, so essentially there was no change. But the unintended consequence was huge: 1) the toothless ruling led to all subsequent monopolies not just in tech but also telecom, media, pharma etc., and 2) it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth - lawyers and lobbyists.

    John Roberts should've been fired for that idiotic judgement alone. Instead he became more powerful, and led us to the utterly corrupt ruling on all the election frauds in late 2020. It's time to end the lifetime tenure of SCOTUS judges. They should get ten year terms and that's that.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    …it woke Microsoft up to the importance of lobbying, and they started spending billions on lobbying. The rest of the tech industry followed suit. So in the end, the only people who benefited were the lowlife scums of the earth – lawyers and lobbyists.

    That was the whole point of the suit – the tech companies were not paying protection money hiring lobbyists to represent their interests in DC. Everybody got the message.

  241. @Wilkey
    @John Johnson


    Globalists view the first world as the problem. In their minds the first world only exists at the expense of the third. They find it deeply insulting that racial inequalities exist. In their minds there should only be one divide and that is between them and everyone else.
     
    The superstar globalists only exist because of the First World middle class. They need a middle/working class of relatively high average intelligence in order to prosper. Africa and Pre-Columbian America didn’t give birth to people like Newton, Einstein, Planck, Bohr, Darwin, Galileo, Edison, Ford, Shakespeare, Palestrina, Mozart, ad infinitum. The West did. And there’s a reason for that. The white, Western working class is irreplaceable. They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @John Johnson

    They may not be brilliant, by any means, but they are geniuses compared to the people the globalists are trying to replacing them with. They are as essential to advanced civilization as men like Gates, Jobs, and Zuckerberg.

    You are correct but the globalists don’t care.

    They imagine themselves creating the geniuses behind gated communities and if the White middle class drops off the earth then good riddance.

    In fact they resent that Whites of all classes can create geniuses.

    They consider this to be deeply unfair and they also fear anti-globalist leaders from Whites. No other race is going to challenge them.

  242. @Philip Owen
    @Pat Hannagan


    What sort of bloke puts his girlfriend through a series of tests, results of which will be incrementally tabulated to achieve a final score?
     
    An engineer.

    Replies: @RSDB

    An engineer would make at least some effort to assess the robustness and applicability of a given test design.

    Come to think of it, maybe this explains a lot about Microsoft products over the years…

    • LOL: PhysicistDave
  243. @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:


    Oh give me a break. You obviously don’t know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn’t own.
     
    Trivial and insignificant.

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it's trivial.

    Yes,, Bill Gates knew how to program. Like millions of other people. Does not make him that smart.

    JJ also wrote:

    You don’t have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven’t invented anything.
     
    And very few are "super smart."

    JJ also wrote:

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers.
     
    Well, you got that right: he ripped off other people's work and got rich off it.

    Look, I am pretty tall. I am not very athletic.

    No sensible person equates "tall" with "athletic," even though some athletes are indeed tall.

    You seem to be conflating "rich" with "smart." We have two different words for those concepts because they are not necessarily the same thing.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is "super smart" unless you just equate "rich" with "smart."

    Look back at my original post: I simply made the point that because Gates is a tech oligarch, some people assume he must be super smart at STEM. That is an error. And what you have said confirms that fact: yeah, Gates certainly was skilled at "appropriating exiting technology." But not at creating it.

    I have worked with numerous STEM people who created more technology than Bill Gates.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @nebulafox

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it’s trivial.

    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is “super smart” unless you just equate “rich” with “smart.

    I don’t equate rich with smart but yes he is both super smart and super amoral. It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    I despise the guy but that doesn’t mean I am going to pretend he is just some slimeball salesmen like Ballmer.

    Go read my post history. I’m very critical of Gates for engaging in race denial and declaring that teachers are to blame for racial gaps. He spent a few hundred million on crap like common core and then quietly went back to funding his malaria vaccine.

    Gates is proof that smart people can be duped by liberalism.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote to me:


    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.
     
    Doctors are not comp sci people. That's like pointing out that most CS majors could not do an appendectomy.

    And, as it happens, I have a close family member who is a physician, and so I know lots and lots of physicians on a personal level: many of them are not very smart. At all.

    JJ also wrote:

    It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.
     
    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates'!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    (For anyone who is ignorant of the history of Microsoft, as JJ seems to be, Gates' big breakthrough came when IBM agreed to buy a disk operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft did not even develop DOS themselves: they bought it from an outside firm. Gates is the Milli Vanilli of software: his main talent has been (ab)using the copyright laws for fun and profit. Perhaps JJ is too young to have lived through the whole Microsoft saga. I'm not.)

    Replies: @RSDB, @nebulafox, @John Johnson

    , @Adam Smith
    @John Johnson


    Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.
     
    Installing operating systems is pretty simple, especially these days.
    I would not use words like smart or intelligent to describe most of the doctors I have met.

  244. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dissident


    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.
     
    I agree completely, here. A woman might think a man is good marriage material if he is the type to enjoy skydiving - it may or may not be a good hint of what kind of a man he is - for some women good, for some bad. For a woman though, why would a man LIKE a risk-taker like that, with the exception of it being his life-long hobby and wanting a partner to enjoy this thrill with him?

    You're asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don't mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely "you all do your crazy guy shit. I'm gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time." We are different types of people, but that's (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn't get.

    Excellent comment, Dissident.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You’re asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don’t mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely “you all do your crazy guy shit. I’m gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time.” We are different types of people, but that’s (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn’t get.

    The real problem with the risk taking woman is that women in general have sex available to them but are normally held back to some degree by their timidity.

    So the risk taking woman is more likely to have:
    1. Picked up an STD from risky sexual encounters
    2. Much more likely to get bored with marriage and seek risk taking behavior
    3. Emotional baggage from previous relationships

    Men should run…..not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.

    • Agree: JMcG, PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    I was about to mash [AGREE], as I do agree with your 3 points, but I want to make clear that there's an exception for people whose life is skydiving. I've seen some good skydiving couples, but often it's a real soap opera, they call "As the Prop Turns".

    , @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote:


    Men should run…..not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.
     
    Years ago, I was (Platonic) friends with a woman whose dad was Air Force. She and her sibs all did skydiving. Her primary failed once; obviously, the secondary worked. She resolved to pack her own chute from then on but kept skydiving.

    I don't want to dis her, but I'll just say she was also much more adventuresome with guys than I thought was optimal, which supports your point

    Yet, on the whole, she was a very nice person.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  245. @RegretLeft
    @jon

    Very interesting - I had not heard that side of things. The other side has it that Gates Sr. was very wealthy (he was tight with the Rockefeller Foundation). His wife sat on some board with IBM CEO J Akers - and it was she who prodded Akers to send a planeload of IBM techs to assist Bill Jrs struggling software firm in AZ .. which subsequently was awarded the IBM contract to develop DOS - the first OS for the IBM PC - circa 1980. The rest is history.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    1. MicroSoft was located in New Mexico. They relocated to the Seattle suburbs in 1979, pre-DOS.

    2. Papa Bill Gates was the son of a small town merchant. He attended state schools (and would have had GI Bill benefits). The house they were living in in 1954 is still standing. It was built in 1951 and has 1,170 sq feet of interior space. The house they were living in in 1960 is also still standing. It was built in 1956 and has about 1,600 sq feet of interior space. A descendant of the firm he worked for during the period running from 1950 to 1964 is still in business; it has about 40 lawyers.

  246. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    See my reply comment to Dissident, Andrew. Skydiving is a thrill. It's not that awful risky, as you wrote. However, women are different than men. A woman could understandably like a risk-taking guy. A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he's not interested in marriage and children.

    I make an exception for those few for who skydiving is their life basically - "Eat, Fuck, Skydive!" is what they say before they jump out of the plane - I kid you not.

    Replies: @anon, @OilcanFloyd

    A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he’s not interested in marriage and children.

    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    The only risk she would have to take on is following him. She doesn't need to encounter the same risks in life. As much as I don't personally see it as that risky, following him out the door of perfectly good half-way decent airplane is not a risk she should need to take.

    Replies: @RSDB, @anon

    , @RSDB
    @anon

    sites.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/special/authors/boccaccio/boc10-10.html

    (tl;dr : https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/griselda.html )

  247. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he’s not interested in marriage and children.

    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @RSDB

    The only risk she would have to take on is following him. She doesn’t need to encounter the same risks in life. As much as I don’t personally see it as that risky, following him out the door of perfectly good half-way decent airplane is not a risk she should need to take.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I seem to be making posts lately mostly on more or less inane topics, so this is probably going to be a fairly inane comment- sorry.

    Anyway, I think you and the other guy are talking past each other.

    There are at least two types of women one could be looking for here:

    1.A girl who would like thrills or who might "have guts"

    and

    2. A girl who would think something like "Well, I really don't like this, and it seems like a dumb idea, but Bill likes it and wants me to do it, so here goes."

    I don't know which one was intended here, and frankly the whole idea seems rather foolish to me.

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This response tells us a bit about you. But it does not answer the question that was asked.


    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?
     

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  248. @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don’t mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely “you all do your crazy guy shit. I’m gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time.” We are different types of people, but that’s (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn’t get.

    The real problem with the risk taking woman is that women in general have sex available to them but are normally held back to some degree by their timidity.

    So the risk taking woman is more likely to have:
    1. Picked up an STD from risky sexual encounters
    2. Much more likely to get bored with marriage and seek risk taking behavior
    3. Emotional baggage from previous relationships

    Men should run.....not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @PhysicistDave

    I was about to mash [AGREE], as I do agree with your 3 points, but I want to make clear that there’s an exception for people whose life is skydiving. I’ve seen some good skydiving couples, but often it’s a real soap opera, they call “As the Prop Turns”.

  249. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he’s not interested in marriage and children.

    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @RSDB

    sites.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/special/authors/boccaccio/boc10-10.html

    (tl;dr : https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/griselda.html )

  250. @Johann Ricke
    @R.G. Camara


    And yet Bill ended up with a homely woman who, as a major magazine article reminded us not too long ago, was vocal about how she would not let her husband leave the kitchen after dinner until it was cleaned to her liking.

    And that’s before we get around to remembering she was the crazy witch in charge of Microsoft’s BOB debacle.

    On her best younger days, could’ve passed as a cute-brunette version of a frumpy Laura Linney. But for the most part, she was sub-par looks wise.

    Gates is a whipped gamma. She initiated this divorce.
     
    From the git-go, the moment I heard they were dating, and saw her photo, I thought - he's obviously not into her for her looks. Someone here rated her a 7.5 in her younger days. I would have rated her a shaky 2, with room on the downside.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Someone here rated her a 7.5 in her younger days. I would have rated her a shaky 2, with room on the downside.

    I can see it. She’s an easy 7.5…on a scale of 50! The funny thing is that his mistress may be worse. Looks like Gilbert has blazed a trail through the Omega-Mus.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  251. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AndrewR

    See my reply comment to Dissident, Andrew. Skydiving is a thrill. It's not that awful risky, as you wrote. However, women are different than men. A woman could understandably like a risk-taking guy. A man would be stupid to purposefully look for a risk-taking girl, unless he's not interested in marriage and children.

    I make an exception for those few for who skydiving is their life basically - "Eat, Fuck, Skydive!" is what they say before they jump out of the plane - I kid you not.

    Replies: @anon, @OilcanFloyd

    I’ve been skydiving once, but it was tandem, since it was a paid for dare. It was ok. It’s probably more of a thrill if you jump by yourself. The only dangers would be if your parachute is packed wrong, or if you freeze and don’t activate the parachute. I opened the parachute and guided us down, and it was surprising how easy the landing was. We landed in stride.

    I wonder if Bill Gates goes solo, and if the test would be to see if the woman trusts him as a tandem partner. It would be interesting to know what the actual test was.

  252. RSDB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    The only risk she would have to take on is following him. She doesn't need to encounter the same risks in life. As much as I don't personally see it as that risky, following him out the door of perfectly good half-way decent airplane is not a risk she should need to take.

    Replies: @RSDB, @anon

    I seem to be making posts lately mostly on more or less inane topics, so this is probably going to be a fairly inane comment- sorry.

    Anyway, I think you and the other guy are talking past each other.

    There are at least two types of women one could be looking for here:

    1.A girl who would like thrills or who might “have guts”

    and

    2. A girl who would think something like “Well, I really don’t like this, and it seems like a dumb idea, but Bill likes it and wants me to do it, so here goes.”

    I don’t know which one was intended here, and frankly the whole idea seems rather foolish to me.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  253. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier.

    15 nano-meters is pretty close, do you always travel with your electron microscope?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones, @Graham

    I know, but like Oscar, I can resist anything but temptation.

  254. @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it’s trivial.

    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don't own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn't install an operating system.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is “super smart” unless you just equate “rich” with “smart.

    I don't equate rich with smart but yes he is both super smart and super amoral. It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    I despise the guy but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend he is just some slimeball salesmen like Ballmer.

    Go read my post history. I'm very critical of Gates for engaging in race denial and declaring that teachers are to blame for racial gaps. He spent a few hundred million on crap like common core and then quietly went back to funding his malaria vaccine.

    Gates is proof that smart people can be duped by liberalism.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Adam Smith

    JJ wrote to me:

    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.

    Doctors are not comp sci people. That’s like pointing out that most CS majors could not do an appendectomy.

    And, as it happens, I have a close family member who is a physician, and so I know lots and lots of physicians on a personal level: many of them are not very smart. At all.

    JJ also wrote:

    It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.

    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    (For anyone who is ignorant of the history of Microsoft, as JJ seems to be, Gates’ big breakthrough came when IBM agreed to buy a disk operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft did not even develop DOS themselves: they bought it from an outside firm. Gates is the Milli Vanilli of software: his main talent has been (ab)using the copyright laws for fun and profit. Perhaps JJ is too young to have lived through the whole Microsoft saga. I’m not.)

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @PhysicistDave


    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!

     

    Well, I don't know what Hitler's IQ would have been, but we do have IQ measurements for a number of other high-level Nazis (measured under what must be considered conditions of immense strain), and they are on average fairly high.

    The first answer below (by Susanna Viljanen) uses this data to estimate that Hitler would have fitted towards the higher end of those tests, with an IQ at "at least 140", though he seems to have declined mentally and physically as the war went on.

    https://www.quora.com/How-intelligent-was-Adolf-Hitler-as-in-IQ-mental-capacity-memory-etc-In-the-absence-of-hard-data-personal-anecdotes-work-too

    On the other hand UR writer Anatoly Karlin estimated that a measurement of Hitler's IQ would show about 125.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    But unfortunately for him, he was pretty loaded toward the verbal end of the spectrum, coupled with a remarkable memory and a profound gift for dissembling/acting. This meant that he could portray himself as having a lot more profound understanding of a given topic than he actually possessed, being erratically self-taught in reality.

    It's sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves. They are dangerous, and we've got a whole political system dominated by these types at a time of peak structural rot. They lie as easily as they breathe and confuse word manipulation for reality. Not a good recipe. I personally am trying to avoid being one of those people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @PhysicistDave

    , @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!


    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    Well maybe we should be clear on terms.

    Both Gates and Hitler are/were smarter than most smart people. That is what I consider to be super smart. Top 1%.

    You can't just conquer the tech world or Europe with merely above average intelligence. If being ruthless was the key requirement then MSFT never would have become such a massive company. It takes a very special combination of characteristics.

    Numerous CEOs with doctorates in engineering tried to take down Gates and failed. Every Sun Microsystems CEO tried to attack MSFT and failed miserably. Sun no longer exists.

    IQ is a rather crude measurement but I have no doubt that Hitler and Gates would score well above the typical White collar intellectual. The main problem I have with IQ tests is that they only measure a certain type of intelligence and isn't much more accurate than testing someone's vocabulary. The people that created the IQ test didn't even want it used on the general public. It was just designed to catch the extremes. The military intelligence tests are a lot more useful.

  255. @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re asking for trouble looking for a risk-taking woman. They are not good at it (I don’t mean skydiving, but risk-taking in general). I would want a woman who said politely “you all do your crazy guy shit. I’m gonna go home and tend the garden. Call me when you get on the ground the last time.” We are different types of people, but that’s (understandably) what a nerdy guy like Bill Gates probably didn’t get.

    The real problem with the risk taking woman is that women in general have sex available to them but are normally held back to some degree by their timidity.

    So the risk taking woman is more likely to have:
    1. Picked up an STD from risky sexual encounters
    2. Much more likely to get bored with marriage and seek risk taking behavior
    3. Emotional baggage from previous relationships

    Men should run.....not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @PhysicistDave

    JJ wrote:

    Men should run…..not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.

    Years ago, I was (Platonic) friends with a woman whose dad was Air Force. She and her sibs all did skydiving. Her primary failed once; obviously, the secondary worked. She resolved to pack her own chute from then on but kept skydiving.

    I don’t want to dis her, but I’ll just say she was also much more adventuresome with guys than I thought was optimal, which supports your point

    Yet, on the whole, she was a very nice person.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    My mother... did a lot of physical adventure-type activities you are not supposed to do while pregnant with me. Luckily, my father had even more of a wanderlust/wild streak to him. They only had eyes for each other during their marriage, so maybe it's just a compatibility issue: goose like that needs a gander like that and all.

    (On the question of what they were like before they met, I am coy, though I do know my father was extremely successful with women.)

    My siblings and I definitely inherited that, for better or for worse. I mean that: when you need Sitzfleisch or not to go self-destructive when you are grounded and forced to stay still, not go out and do what you want in the world, that's definitely "for worse". I can vouch for that.

  256. RSDB says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote to me:


    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.
     
    Doctors are not comp sci people. That's like pointing out that most CS majors could not do an appendectomy.

    And, as it happens, I have a close family member who is a physician, and so I know lots and lots of physicians on a personal level: many of them are not very smart. At all.

    JJ also wrote:

    It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.
     
    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates'!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    (For anyone who is ignorant of the history of Microsoft, as JJ seems to be, Gates' big breakthrough came when IBM agreed to buy a disk operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft did not even develop DOS themselves: they bought it from an outside firm. Gates is the Milli Vanilli of software: his main talent has been (ab)using the copyright laws for fun and profit. Perhaps JJ is too young to have lived through the whole Microsoft saga. I'm not.)

    Replies: @RSDB, @nebulafox, @John Johnson

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!

    Well, I don’t know what Hitler’s IQ would have been, but we do have IQ measurements for a number of other high-level Nazis (measured under what must be considered conditions of immense strain), and they are on average fairly high.

    The first answer below (by Susanna Viljanen) uses this data to estimate that Hitler would have fitted towards the higher end of those tests, with an IQ at “at least 140”, though he seems to have declined mentally and physically as the war went on.

    https://www.quora.com/How-intelligent-was-Adolf-Hitler-as-in-IQ-mental-capacity-memory-etc-In-the-absence-of-hard-data-personal-anecdotes-work-too

    On the other hand UR writer Anatoly Karlin estimated that a measurement of Hitler’s IQ would show about 125.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @RSDB

    Karlin's analysis sounds about right. Reading Hitler's conversations, he definitely comes off as intelligent compared to mediocrities like Himmler or thugs like Bormann, but a cut below the pre-morphine addiction Goering or Goebbels, who had a doctorate from Heidelberg.

    One thing it is important to remember is that Hitler tended to really, really try hard to sound intelligent around people who came from a more educated, prestigious background, and came with his guns loaded. This was cultural. Education in antebellum Central Europe was supremely important. Hitler's background meant that he was always facing an uphill battle to convince people from the bourgeois-and-higher sets that he wasn't some illiterate monster from the rank-and-file. Luckily for him, the degree of self-education combined with his astonishing memory tended to impress more often than not.

    As a general note, the commentariat here is a bit myopic when it comes to discussions about IQ, not just in terms of its importance (to use the mathematical term, "necessary but not sufficient"), or in terms of its fungibility (you can raise it or lower it, if not to the level that blank slatists say), but also in what constitutes a higher-than-average one. 125 is nothing to sneeze at: it's not elite level, but that would still put you around the 95th percentile of Americans today, and in places like the Waldviertel, Hitler might well have been the smartest kid in the area. Even in East Asian societies or in antebellum Mitteleuropa, where educational standards are more rigorous, that'd still be cognitively superior enough to be noticed and accepted as "smart" in a casual conversation. It'd be more than sufficient to become a hyper-successful politician.

  257. @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote to me:


    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.
     
    Doctors are not comp sci people. That's like pointing out that most CS majors could not do an appendectomy.

    And, as it happens, I have a close family member who is a physician, and so I know lots and lots of physicians on a personal level: many of them are not very smart. At all.

    JJ also wrote:

    It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.
     
    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates'!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    (For anyone who is ignorant of the history of Microsoft, as JJ seems to be, Gates' big breakthrough came when IBM agreed to buy a disk operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft did not even develop DOS themselves: they bought it from an outside firm. Gates is the Milli Vanilli of software: his main talent has been (ab)using the copyright laws for fun and profit. Perhaps JJ is too young to have lived through the whole Microsoft saga. I'm not.)

    Replies: @RSDB, @nebulafox, @John Johnson

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    But unfortunately for him, he was pretty loaded toward the verbal end of the spectrum, coupled with a remarkable memory and a profound gift for dissembling/acting. This meant that he could portray himself as having a lot more profound understanding of a given topic than he actually possessed, being erratically self-taught in reality.

    It’s sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves. They are dangerous, and we’ve got a whole political system dominated by these types at a time of peak structural rot. They lie as easily as they breathe and confuse word manipulation for reality. Not a good recipe. I personally am trying to avoid being one of those people.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @nebulafox

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    Everyone wants to dismiss the famous and successful as having a huge part of luck.

    I have known smart people in just about every industry and very few have figured out that race exists. They all have some political explanation that someone else came up with for them. Very few smart people can wrap their brains around the possibility of the establishment being wrong and then think independently on what should be done.

    Hitler not only rejected Western delusions on race but wrote a book on the subject. A lot of his racial ideas were extreme but he was correct that culture and nation are connected to race more than environment or economic theory (once you leave the extremes). Today such ideas are verboten and even very smart people will get upset if you point out the logical flaws in believing that Germany is merely advanced by chance (civilization dust).

    , @PhysicistDave
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote to me:


    It’s sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves.
     
    Yeah, people think they can judge others' IQs much more easily than they really can.

    Some years ago, I worded with a fellow who was a very good engineer. One evening, we all got together to play Trivial Pursuit.

    Turned out he knew nothing outside of engineering.

    Was he a guy of mediocre intelligence who had worked incredibly hard at engineering? Or did he just not give a damn about history, geography, etc.?

    I still do not know.

    At the same time, I knew a female engineer who was a very sweet person: I figured she had an IQ only marginally above average but had managed to get a STEM degree (her initial degree was in "nutrition" but her sister pushed her to go back and get a CS degree). Then one day I got into a technical discussion with her, and she (oh so kindly!) corrected one of my areas of (unknowing) ignorance.

    So, I still to try to remind myself not to conflate sweetness with a lack of strong STEM aptitude (rare, yeah, since STEM people tend to be Aspergery, but my colleague showed it can happen).

  258. @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote:


    Men should run…..not walk but run from any woman that engages in something like skydiving or drug experimentation on her own.
     
    Years ago, I was (Platonic) friends with a woman whose dad was Air Force. She and her sibs all did skydiving. Her primary failed once; obviously, the secondary worked. She resolved to pack her own chute from then on but kept skydiving.

    I don't want to dis her, but I'll just say she was also much more adventuresome with guys than I thought was optimal, which supports your point

    Yet, on the whole, she was a very nice person.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    My mother… did a lot of physical adventure-type activities you are not supposed to do while pregnant with me. Luckily, my father had even more of a wanderlust/wild streak to him. They only had eyes for each other during their marriage, so maybe it’s just a compatibility issue: goose like that needs a gander like that and all.

    (On the question of what they were like before they met, I am coy, though I do know my father was extremely successful with women.)

    My siblings and I definitely inherited that, for better or for worse. I mean that: when you need Sitzfleisch or not to go self-destructive when you are grounded and forced to stay still, not go out and do what you want in the world, that’s definitely “for worse”. I can vouch for that.

  259. @RSDB
    @PhysicistDave


    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!

     

    Well, I don't know what Hitler's IQ would have been, but we do have IQ measurements for a number of other high-level Nazis (measured under what must be considered conditions of immense strain), and they are on average fairly high.

    The first answer below (by Susanna Viljanen) uses this data to estimate that Hitler would have fitted towards the higher end of those tests, with an IQ at "at least 140", though he seems to have declined mentally and physically as the war went on.

    https://www.quora.com/How-intelligent-was-Adolf-Hitler-as-in-IQ-mental-capacity-memory-etc-In-the-absence-of-hard-data-personal-anecdotes-work-too

    On the other hand UR writer Anatoly Karlin estimated that a measurement of Hitler's IQ would show about 125.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Karlin’s analysis sounds about right. Reading Hitler’s conversations, he definitely comes off as intelligent compared to mediocrities like Himmler or thugs like Bormann, but a cut below the pre-morphine addiction Goering or Goebbels, who had a doctorate from Heidelberg.

    One thing it is important to remember is that Hitler tended to really, really try hard to sound intelligent around people who came from a more educated, prestigious background, and came with his guns loaded. This was cultural. Education in antebellum Central Europe was supremely important. Hitler’s background meant that he was always facing an uphill battle to convince people from the bourgeois-and-higher sets that he wasn’t some illiterate monster from the rank-and-file. Luckily for him, the degree of self-education combined with his astonishing memory tended to impress more often than not.

    As a general note, the commentariat here is a bit myopic when it comes to discussions about IQ, not just in terms of its importance (to use the mathematical term, “necessary but not sufficient”), or in terms of its fungibility (you can raise it or lower it, if not to the level that blank slatists say), but also in what constitutes a higher-than-average one. 125 is nothing to sneeze at: it’s not elite level, but that would still put you around the 95th percentile of Americans today, and in places like the Waldviertel, Hitler might well have been the smartest kid in the area. Even in East Asian societies or in antebellum Mitteleuropa, where educational standards are more rigorous, that’d still be cognitively superior enough to be noticed and accepted as “smart” in a casual conversation. It’d be more than sufficient to become a hyper-successful politician.

  260. @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:


    Oh give me a break. You obviously don’t know the history of that company.

    Him and Allen created an interpreter for a computer they didn’t own.
     
    Trivial and insignificant.

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it's trivial.

    Yes,, Bill Gates knew how to program. Like millions of other people. Does not make him that smart.

    JJ also wrote:

    You don’t have to invent something to be super smart. Most tech and engineering executives haven’t invented anything.
     
    And very few are "super smart."

    JJ also wrote:

    Bill Gates was a master at appropriating exiting technology and redesigning it for consumers.
     
    Well, you got that right: he ripped off other people's work and got rich off it.

    Look, I am pretty tall. I am not very athletic.

    No sensible person equates "tall" with "athletic," even though some athletes are indeed tall.

    You seem to be conflating "rich" with "smart." We have two different words for those concepts because they are not necessarily the same thing.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is "super smart" unless you just equate "rich" with "smart."

    Look back at my original post: I simply made the point that because Gates is a tech oligarch, some people assume he must be super smart at STEM. That is an error. And what you have said confirms that fact: yeah, Gates certainly was skilled at "appropriating exiting technology." But not at creating it.

    I have worked with numerous STEM people who created more technology than Bill Gates.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @nebulafox

    >I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    So have I: it’s how I taught myself basic pointer manipulation, many years ago. I’m nowhere near on your intellectual level. It’s not a hard task at all.

    There are *way* more important factors in who succeeds and who doesn’t than intellect. Again: the term is “necessary, but not sufficient”. Bill Gates probably couldn’t have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.

    In the past, I suspect the biggest factor was hard work and grit. In the present, it is being the best grifter and guangxi-maker. In the future? Let’s hope it isn’t being the best warlord. Our elites are doing their damndest to ensure that future with their present priorities.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote to me:


    Bill Gates probably couldn’t have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.
     
    Yeah. Of course, Gates has an IQ well above 100.

    I'm just objecting to JJ's thinking that Gates is "super smart" based on Gates' public achievements.

    I've taken classes from or worked for five Nobel laureates. On an intellectual level, Gates' achievements do not approach theirs.

    A lot of people, including it seems JJ, wish to conflate different sorts of superiority, a bit like a guy who wanted to think that Farrah Fawcett must have been cerebral just because she was attractive.

    Maybe Farrah was also smart: I don't know. But you cannot conclude that from the fact she was attractive.

    Similarly for Gates' wealth (largely built on good luck) versus his brains.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  261. @John Johnson
    @PhysicistDave

    I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    For anyone competent at programming, it’s trivial.

    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don't own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn't install an operating system.

    Bill Gates certainly figured out how to get rich. That does not prove he is “super smart” unless you just equate “rich” with “smart.

    I don't equate rich with smart but yes he is both super smart and super amoral. It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.

    Stop sucking up to the billionaire.

    I despise the guy but that doesn't mean I am going to pretend he is just some slimeball salesmen like Ballmer.

    Go read my post history. I'm very critical of Gates for engaging in race denial and declaring that teachers are to blame for racial gaps. He spent a few hundred million on crap like common core and then quietly went back to funding his malaria vaccine.

    Gates is proof that smart people can be duped by liberalism.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Adam Smith

    Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.

    Installing operating systems is pretty simple, especially these days.
    I would not use words like smart or intelligent to describe most of the doctors I have met.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  262. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    The only risk she would have to take on is following him. She doesn't need to encounter the same risks in life. As much as I don't personally see it as that risky, following him out the door of perfectly good half-way decent airplane is not a risk she should need to take.

    Replies: @RSDB, @anon

    This response tells us a bit about you. But it does not answer the question that was asked.

    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Maybe, as RSDB suggested, we are writing past each other. Are you asking if this would be a good loyalty test to see if a woman will follow all your commands to her?

    Replies: @anon

  263. @PhysicistDave
    @John Johnson

    JJ wrote to me:


    It is not trivial to write an interpreter for a buggy computer you don’t own using the crude tools that were available at the time. Most doctors I have met probably couldn’t install an operating system.
     
    Doctors are not comp sci people. That's like pointing out that most CS majors could not do an appendectomy.

    And, as it happens, I have a close family member who is a physician, and so I know lots and lots of physicians on a personal level: many of them are not very smart. At all.

    JJ also wrote:

    It takes a high level of intelligence to build a massive tech company that appropriates technology and squeezes out competitors.
     
    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates'!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    (For anyone who is ignorant of the history of Microsoft, as JJ seems to be, Gates' big breakthrough came when IBM agreed to buy a disk operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft did not even develop DOS themselves: they bought it from an outside firm. Gates is the Milli Vanilli of software: his main talent has been (ab)using the copyright laws for fun and profit. Perhaps JJ is too young to have lived through the whole Microsoft saga. I'm not.)

    Replies: @RSDB, @nebulafox, @John Johnson

    No. Just a certain level of cunning and ruthlessness.

    Tell me: do you think that Hitler must have been super-smart in order to conquer most of Western Europe? On the face of it, that is an even higher level of success than Bill Gates’!

    You are equating ruthlessness (and a great deal of luck!) with intelligence.

    Well maybe we should be clear on terms.

    Both Gates and Hitler are/were smarter than most smart people. That is what I consider to be super smart. Top 1%.

    You can’t just conquer the tech world or Europe with merely above average intelligence. If being ruthless was the key requirement then MSFT never would have become such a massive company. It takes a very special combination of characteristics.

    Numerous CEOs with doctorates in engineering tried to take down Gates and failed. Every Sun Microsystems CEO tried to attack MSFT and failed miserably. Sun no longer exists.

    IQ is a rather crude measurement but I have no doubt that Hitler and Gates would score well above the typical White collar intellectual. The main problem I have with IQ tests is that they only measure a certain type of intelligence and isn’t much more accurate than testing someone’s vocabulary. The people that created the IQ test didn’t even want it used on the general public. It was just designed to catch the extremes. The military intelligence tests are a lot more useful.

  264. @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    But unfortunately for him, he was pretty loaded toward the verbal end of the spectrum, coupled with a remarkable memory and a profound gift for dissembling/acting. This meant that he could portray himself as having a lot more profound understanding of a given topic than he actually possessed, being erratically self-taught in reality.

    It's sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves. They are dangerous, and we've got a whole political system dominated by these types at a time of peak structural rot. They lie as easily as they breathe and confuse word manipulation for reality. Not a good recipe. I personally am trying to avoid being one of those people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @PhysicistDave

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    Everyone wants to dismiss the famous and successful as having a huge part of luck.

    I have known smart people in just about every industry and very few have figured out that race exists. They all have some political explanation that someone else came up with for them. Very few smart people can wrap their brains around the possibility of the establishment being wrong and then think independently on what should be done.

    Hitler not only rejected Western delusions on race but wrote a book on the subject. A lot of his racial ideas were extreme but he was correct that culture and nation are connected to race more than environment or economic theory (once you leave the extremes). Today such ideas are verboten and even very smart people will get upset if you point out the logical flaws in believing that Germany is merely advanced by chance (civilization dust).

  265. @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    >I once wrote an interpreter in my spare time at work just for fun.

    So have I: it's how I taught myself basic pointer manipulation, many years ago. I'm nowhere near on your intellectual level. It's not a hard task at all.

    There are *way* more important factors in who succeeds and who doesn't than intellect. Again: the term is "necessary, but not sufficient". Bill Gates probably couldn't have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.

    In the past, I suspect the biggest factor was hard work and grit. In the present, it is being the best grifter and guangxi-maker. In the future? Let's hope it isn't being the best warlord. Our elites are doing their damndest to ensure that future with their present priorities.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    nebulafox wrote to me:

    Bill Gates probably couldn’t have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.

    Yeah. Of course, Gates has an IQ well above 100.

    I’m just objecting to JJ’s thinking that Gates is “super smart” based on Gates’ public achievements.

    I’ve taken classes from or worked for five Nobel laureates. On an intellectual level, Gates’ achievements do not approach theirs.

    A lot of people, including it seems JJ, wish to conflate different sorts of superiority, a bit like a guy who wanted to think that Farrah Fawcett must have been cerebral just because she was attractive.

    Maybe Farrah was also smart: I don’t know. But you cannot conclude that from the fact she was attractive.

    Similarly for Gates’ wealth (largely built on good luck) versus his brains.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Hell, I think George W. Bush probably had an IQ over 100. All that practically means is a basic functioning prerequisite for achieving anything other than peon status in 21st Century society.

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don't hit Dubya's level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents, partly due to his intellectual limitations. (Closest analogue would be Nixon's Berlin Wall, but Nixon was never dominated by Kissinger or Haldeman in the same way Bush leant on his advisors.) That means Gates is easily considered brilliant in the public consciousness. Truth is, once you have a moderately above average IQ, your chances of oligarch status relies different traits: luck and good timing being paramount, as well as guangxi. A healthy lack of shame and indifference to others doesn't hurt, too, as well as being quick with your words.

    Hmm... it's almost as if selecting for sociopaths in bureaucratic, corporate, and political jobs isn't a great idea. Heaven forbid they become engineers, too, or the grid's gonna go bye-bye and roads will collapse.

    (To be quite honest, it's not just counterproductive to treat people with lower IQs as somehow being at fault for the fact that the 21st Century economy forces them into service sector serf roles if that. It's downright cruel. IMO, an understanding of the reality of innate intelligence and the limits of how much you can change that should make one *more* compassionate, not less.)

    >Was he a guy of mediocre intelligence who had worked incredibly hard at engineering? Or did he just not give a damn about history, geography, etc.?

    I've been in the weird position of being both drastically overestimated and underestimated. Here, I'd say probably the former. It's a lot harder to BS your way through hard engineering or science, coupled with there being no incentive to do so for someone looking for the easiest route to money/power/fame.

    Unfortunately, while physical laws are immutable, social laws aren't. And they really, really don't like the idea of objective reality, the powers-that-be...

    Replies: @Art Deco

  266. @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, I certainly think Hitler was brighter than people gave him credit for, then or now: his opponents being delusional enough (not least based on an arrogant contempt for the lower-middle class) to dismiss him as a lucky idiot was a huge part of his eventual success. A very similar dynamic took place with Stalin, BTW.

    But unfortunately for him, he was pretty loaded toward the verbal end of the spectrum, coupled with a remarkable memory and a profound gift for dissembling/acting. This meant that he could portray himself as having a lot more profound understanding of a given topic than he actually possessed, being erratically self-taught in reality.

    It's sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves. They are dangerous, and we've got a whole political system dominated by these types at a time of peak structural rot. They lie as easily as they breathe and confuse word manipulation for reality. Not a good recipe. I personally am trying to avoid being one of those people.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @PhysicistDave

    nebulafox wrote to me:

    It’s sadly easy for people like that to fool people, even people far more intelligent than them, that they are brighter than they really are. Especially if the brighter person themselves lack verbal charisma. And fool themselves.

    Yeah, people think they can judge others’ IQs much more easily than they really can.

    Some years ago, I worded with a fellow who was a very good engineer. One evening, we all got together to play Trivial Pursuit.

    Turned out he knew nothing outside of engineering.

    Was he a guy of mediocre intelligence who had worked incredibly hard at engineering? Or did he just not give a damn about history, geography, etc.?

    I still do not know.

    At the same time, I knew a female engineer who was a very sweet person: I figured she had an IQ only marginally above average but had managed to get a STEM degree (her initial degree was in “nutrition” but her sister pushed her to go back and get a CS degree). Then one day I got into a technical discussion with her, and she (oh so kindly!) corrected one of my areas of (unknowing) ignorance.

    So, I still to try to remind myself not to conflate sweetness with a lack of strong STEM aptitude (rare, yeah, since STEM people tend to be Aspergery, but my colleague showed it can happen).

  267. @PhysicistDave
    @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote to me:


    Bill Gates probably couldn’t have gotten away with being mentally sub-par, but becoming a billionaire does not require a genius level intellect.
     
    Yeah. Of course, Gates has an IQ well above 100.

    I'm just objecting to JJ's thinking that Gates is "super smart" based on Gates' public achievements.

    I've taken classes from or worked for five Nobel laureates. On an intellectual level, Gates' achievements do not approach theirs.

    A lot of people, including it seems JJ, wish to conflate different sorts of superiority, a bit like a guy who wanted to think that Farrah Fawcett must have been cerebral just because she was attractive.

    Maybe Farrah was also smart: I don't know. But you cannot conclude that from the fact she was attractive.

    Similarly for Gates' wealth (largely built on good luck) versus his brains.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Hell, I think George W. Bush probably had an IQ over 100. All that practically means is a basic functioning prerequisite for achieving anything other than peon status in 21st Century society.

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don’t hit Dubya’s level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents, partly due to his intellectual limitations. (Closest analogue would be Nixon’s Berlin Wall, but Nixon was never dominated by Kissinger or Haldeman in the same way Bush leant on his advisors.) That means Gates is easily considered brilliant in the public consciousness. Truth is, once you have a moderately above average IQ, your chances of oligarch status relies different traits: luck and good timing being paramount, as well as guangxi. A healthy lack of shame and indifference to others doesn’t hurt, too, as well as being quick with your words.

    Hmm… it’s almost as if selecting for sociopaths in bureaucratic, corporate, and political jobs isn’t a great idea. Heaven forbid they become engineers, too, or the grid’s gonna go bye-bye and roads will collapse.

    (To be quite honest, it’s not just counterproductive to treat people with lower IQs as somehow being at fault for the fact that the 21st Century economy forces them into service sector serf roles if that. It’s downright cruel. IMO, an understanding of the reality of innate intelligence and the limits of how much you can change that should make one *more* compassionate, not less.)

    >Was he a guy of mediocre intelligence who had worked incredibly hard at engineering? Or did he just not give a damn about history, geography, etc.?

    I’ve been in the weird position of being both drastically overestimated and underestimated. Here, I’d say probably the former. It’s a lot harder to BS your way through hard engineering or science, coupled with there being no incentive to do so for someone looking for the easiest route to money/power/fame.

    Unfortunately, while physical laws are immutable, social laws aren’t. And they really, really don’t like the idea of objective reality, the powers-that-be…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @nebulafox

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don’t hit Dubya’s level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents

    The term 'by all reliable accounts" does not mean 'according to the consensus among combox clowns'.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  268. @anon
    @Dissident

    If anything, wouldn’t the woman to pass such a test be the one who declined and even adamantly refused to so frivolously incur such completely unnecessary risk upon herself? Perhaps even the one who would go so far as to not only refuse to participate herself but also reject any man who would even make such a request of her.

    You have zero understanding of women. Especially young women. This is totally not a surprise.

    Replies: @Dissident

    You have zero understanding of women. Especially young women. This is totally not a surprise.

    You appear to have misunderstood my comment. I had merely averred concerning the correct, prudent and responsible response of a woman to the proposition in-question. I did not mean to suggest that there would be anything surprising about one who responded otherwise.

  269. @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Hell, I think George W. Bush probably had an IQ over 100. All that practically means is a basic functioning prerequisite for achieving anything other than peon status in 21st Century society.

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don't hit Dubya's level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents, partly due to his intellectual limitations. (Closest analogue would be Nixon's Berlin Wall, but Nixon was never dominated by Kissinger or Haldeman in the same way Bush leant on his advisors.) That means Gates is easily considered brilliant in the public consciousness. Truth is, once you have a moderately above average IQ, your chances of oligarch status relies different traits: luck and good timing being paramount, as well as guangxi. A healthy lack of shame and indifference to others doesn't hurt, too, as well as being quick with your words.

    Hmm... it's almost as if selecting for sociopaths in bureaucratic, corporate, and political jobs isn't a great idea. Heaven forbid they become engineers, too, or the grid's gonna go bye-bye and roads will collapse.

    (To be quite honest, it's not just counterproductive to treat people with lower IQs as somehow being at fault for the fact that the 21st Century economy forces them into service sector serf roles if that. It's downright cruel. IMO, an understanding of the reality of innate intelligence and the limits of how much you can change that should make one *more* compassionate, not less.)

    >Was he a guy of mediocre intelligence who had worked incredibly hard at engineering? Or did he just not give a damn about history, geography, etc.?

    I've been in the weird position of being both drastically overestimated and underestimated. Here, I'd say probably the former. It's a lot harder to BS your way through hard engineering or science, coupled with there being no incentive to do so for someone looking for the easiest route to money/power/fame.

    Unfortunately, while physical laws are immutable, social laws aren't. And they really, really don't like the idea of objective reality, the powers-that-be...

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don’t hit Dubya’s level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents

    The term ‘by all reliable accounts” does not mean ‘according to the consensus among combox clowns’.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Art Deco

    Compulsively going to bat for a dynasty that helped ruin America is not a winner, Artie.

    Well, actually, no: not anymore. It turns out that Dubya is now the kind of Republican the Democrats and the media all of a sudden wanted to rehabilitate around 2017, less than a decade after he was called on to resign so that Obama could become Bien-Pensant Jesus a month early. He is an Acceptable Republican. But then they would now, wouldn't they? Half of what they want, he will give indepedently, and the rest, he poses no threat to.

    Normative assumption among the political and media classes is that functional memories do not exist. Unfortunately, that isn't always true. That is the wonderful thing about objective reality. It gives help to all who need it. It can give you help, too. For even among us clowns, visible courtiers elicit a certain... pity.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  270. @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This response tells us a bit about you. But it does not answer the question that was asked.


    What if a man wants a women who will follow him no matter what?
     

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe, as RSDB suggested, we are writing past each other. Are you asking if this would be a good loyalty test to see if a woman will follow all your commands to her?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you asking if this would be a good loyalty test to see if a woman will follow all your commands to her?

    Pretty much.

  271. @Art Deco
    @nebulafox

    Consider what it means when vast swathes of the population don’t hit Dubya’s level: a man who, by all reliable accounts, was dominated by his subordinates to a degree traditionally uncommon for Presidents

    The term 'by all reliable accounts" does not mean 'according to the consensus among combox clowns'.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Compulsively going to bat for a dynasty that helped ruin America is not a winner, Artie.

    Well, actually, no: not anymore. It turns out that Dubya is now the kind of Republican the Democrats and the media all of a sudden wanted to rehabilitate around 2017, less than a decade after he was called on to resign so that Obama could become Bien-Pensant Jesus a month early. He is an Acceptable Republican. But then they would now, wouldn’t they? Half of what they want, he will give indepedently, and the rest, he poses no threat to.

    Normative assumption among the political and media classes is that functional memories do not exist. Unfortunately, that isn’t always true. That is the wonderful thing about objective reality. It gives help to all who need it. It can give you help, too. For even among us clowns, visible courtiers elicit a certain… pity.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @nebulafox

    Compulsively going to bat for a dynasty that helped ruin America is not a winner, Artie.

    You've manufactured fictions about him. Why not critique what he did do and did not do?

  272. @Achmed E. Newman
    @anon

    Maybe, as RSDB suggested, we are writing past each other. Are you asking if this would be a good loyalty test to see if a woman will follow all your commands to her?

    Replies: @anon

    Are you asking if this would be a good loyalty test to see if a woman will follow all your commands to her?

    Pretty much.

  273. @nebulafox
    @Art Deco

    Compulsively going to bat for a dynasty that helped ruin America is not a winner, Artie.

    Well, actually, no: not anymore. It turns out that Dubya is now the kind of Republican the Democrats and the media all of a sudden wanted to rehabilitate around 2017, less than a decade after he was called on to resign so that Obama could become Bien-Pensant Jesus a month early. He is an Acceptable Republican. But then they would now, wouldn't they? Half of what they want, he will give indepedently, and the rest, he poses no threat to.

    Normative assumption among the political and media classes is that functional memories do not exist. Unfortunately, that isn't always true. That is the wonderful thing about objective reality. It gives help to all who need it. It can give you help, too. For even among us clowns, visible courtiers elicit a certain... pity.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Compulsively going to bat for a dynasty that helped ruin America is not a winner, Artie.

    You’ve manufactured fictions about him. Why not critique what he did do and did not do?

  274. You are at THE BOTTOM! so much so that Unz is not your friend (my opinion – he always hated me) – so NOT! You are also, the best looking guy, just the youngest, on Unz…hahhahahhaa. Storm has passed and military is killing every Cabalista pos org or family underground, under our feet!

    Meanwhile – bets are still not paid, hahhahahahhahaaaaaaaaaa! Be careful with this one – mafia will kill y’all. You need to separate from the Cabal…literally – they will kill all your children and grands, everyone.

    People who invite the Black Market in/the offline betting/the steal, will pay with their lives if they do not win. And, Ladies and Gentlemen, the days of racing is over. BOOM

  275. Tiger is going to make an appearance in Kiawah – just act like you knew this, and, he will make that appearance with YOU! Don’t ask- no details.

  276. @Bill Jones
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is only 15 nm or so from the peak of Mt. Rainier.

    15 nano-meters is pretty close, do you always travel with your electron microscope?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones, @Graham

    Christ, I thought I was the only person here pedantic enough to think of that!

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