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From the Washington Post:

Bill Clinton called Trump ahead of his 2016 launch

By Robert Costa and Anne Gearan August 5 at 3:28 PM

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

Clinton’s personal office in New York confirmed that the call occurred in late May, but an aide to Clinton said the 2016 race was never specifically discussed and that it was only a casual chat. …

Trump took the call from his office in Trump Tower in New York, according to the four allies, who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly. The call came as Trump was making a final decision about whether to run, and he was candid about his political ambitions and his potential interest in seeking the White House during the talk, these allies said.

The 42nd president listened intently and then analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the GOP base, the Trump allies said.

The tone of the call was informal, and Clinton never urged Trump to run, the four people said. Rather, they said, Clinton sounded curious about Trump’s moves toward a presidential bid and told Trump that he was striking a chord with frustrated conservatives and was a rising force on the right.

One person with knowledge of Clinton’s end of the call said the former president was upbeat and encouraging during the conversation, which occurred as Trump was speaking out about GOP politics and his prescriptions for the nation. …

People with knowledge of the call in both camps said it was one of many that Clinton and Trump have had over the years, whether about golf or donations to the Clinton Foundation. But the call in May was considered especially sensitive, coming soon after Hillary Rodham Clinton had declared her own presidential run the month before.

At the time, Trump was touting a “foolproof” but undisclosed plan to defeat Islamic State terrorists and ramping up his presence on the airwaves, including interviews where he was asked about his donations to the Clinton Foundation. He entered the race June 16.

Neither side would provide an exact date for the call, but both Bill Clinton’s office and a person close to Trump described it as “late May.” …

Trump is a longtime acquaintance of the Clintons, both of whom attended the businessman’s third wedding in 2005. Since Trump entered the presidential race, however, he and Hillary Clinton have increasingly traded barbs.

She has condemned Trump’s racially charged remarks about Mexican immigrants and tut-tutted about his remark that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is not a war hero.

“Donald Trump. Finally, a candidate whose hair gets more attention than mine,” Clinton joked at a Democratic dinner in Arkansas in July. “But there’s nothing funny about the hate he is spewing at immigrants and families, and now the insults he has directed at a genuine war hero, Sen. John McCain.”

That was a rare instance in which Clinton mentioned Trump by name. Also in July, before a largely Hispanic audience, Clinton had this to say:

“I have just one word for Mr. Trump. Basta!”

In June, she criticized Trump, without using his name, over his references to Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals during his June campaign launch speech.

“A recent entry into the Republican presidential campaign said some very inflammatory things about Mexicans. Everybody should stand up and say that’s not acceptable,” Clinton said in an interview with Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston.

You might think that one way Mrs. Clinton could demonstrate her leadership bona fides is by persuading Mr. Clinton to resign his golf membership at Trump National – Westchester. But apparently that idea is not a Thing.

Yet.

I really don’t think it’s too much to ask of Bill Clinton that, in return for his violating the spirit of the 22nd Amendment, he at least suffer some temporary inconvenience to his golf game.

 
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  1. You might think that one way Mrs. Clinton could demonstrate her leadership bona fides is by persuading Mr. Clinton to resign his golf membership at Trump National – Westchester. But apparently that idea is not a Thing.

    Yet.

    A movement in search of a hash tag? #18HolesofHate ? What other prominent members of the elite are compromising justice by playing there? Bill can’t be alone. We have a right to know. Gawker could really redeem itself with an expose.

  2. “Cuckservative,” indeed. This news raises the question of who, exactly, is being cuckolded here.

    Well, scratch that. We all know that the person being cuckolded is the American voter, regardless of political leanings. But this does raise “cui bono?”-type questions about who’s responsible.

    • Replies: @Just sayin'
    @Mr. Blank

    We're aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we're sick of the establishment GOP.

    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    , @Anonymous
    @Mr. Blank

    "Flashback 2012: Trump Criticized GOP for Being ‘Mean-Spirited’ on Immigration"

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-2012-trump-criticized-gop-for-being-mean-spirited-on-immigration/

    Replies: @Difference Maker

  3. Perhaps the media is trying to scare away support from Trump by suggesting that something shady is going on.

  4. http://cbsn.ws/1MOuf5W

    Don’t complain. When bad bacteria enters your stomach, it is an act of love.

  5. @Mr. Blank
    "Cuckservative," indeed. This news raises the question of who, exactly, is being cuckolded here.

    Well, scratch that. We all know that the person being cuckolded is the American voter, regardless of political leanings. But this does raise "cui bono?"-type questions about who's responsible.

    Replies: @Just sayin', @Anonymous

    We’re aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we’re sick of the establishment GOP.

    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Just sayin'

    "Just sayin' says:

    @Mr. Blank

    We’re aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we’re sick of the establishment GOP."

    True. We know that the others in the Republican field will definitely betray us. Betraying conservatives is what Republicans do.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Just sayin'


    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.
     
    So Trump dumps the trophy wife(s) and starts worrying about whether he deserves a 4"10 over ripe chiquita who does not speak English but insists he learn Español.

    Kinda of doubt it.

    That's way beyond Cuckservative and about as likely as the Donald castrating himself with a dull knife.
  6. My opinion is that Slick Willie encouraged The Donald and stroked his ego toward engagement as a way to divert media attention from Hillary, with the disarray sown among the GOP ranks as a bonus. As Trump news and reactions hog the spotlight there are fewer news cycles for tough questioning of Hillary, and less time for any Dem/Other hopeful besides Sanders to get noticed. By the time that Hillary finally has to respond, the loyal opposition may be played out. The Clintons are reprehensible but their Rope-a-Dope strategy looks effective thus far.

    • Replies: @manton
    @Ivy

    Right. Bill is clearly encouraging Trump because he thinks The Donald will be a "wrecker" in the Republican primary, which will help Hillary's chances. Bill assumes that Trump's ego is so big and blinding that Trump will not see that Bill does not have his best interests at heart.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Ivy

    A guest on Coast to Coast AM last night had another conspiracy theory, that the Clintons were in cahoots with Jeb, to get Jeb elected president, with Hillary holding off more attractive Dem candidates. That guest said Hillary was more interested in being a grandmother and raking in money than in being president.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

  7. How bizarre would it be if it turns out that Trump also called Bill to request that he cuckold him, bringing this whole Trump surge and cuckservative thing full circle?

  8. The obvious position for Conservatism Inc. is to claim that Trump is a Clinton Trojan Horse in the GOP primary. I would not be surprised to see Rubio run with that claim, his campaign is on thin ice, Trump could knock him out just like Schumer did in the Senate.

  9. @Mr. Blank
    "Cuckservative," indeed. This news raises the question of who, exactly, is being cuckolded here.

    Well, scratch that. We all know that the person being cuckolded is the American voter, regardless of political leanings. But this does raise "cui bono?"-type questions about who's responsible.

    Replies: @Just sayin', @Anonymous

    “Flashback 2012: Trump Criticized GOP for Being ‘Mean-Spirited’ on Immigration”

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-2012-trump-criticized-gop-for-being-mean-spirited-on-immigration/

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    @Anonymous

    What Trump said was pretty even handed. He has talked about bringing jobs back to America for many years.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    OT: iSteve, this Shale Revolution is the key to many things. Outrageous productivity gains keep vexing the doubters.

    Link has the latest info:

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    Advanced pad drilling techniques allow frackers to launch five or ten wells in different directions from the same site. Smart drill-bits with computer chips can seek out cracks in the rock. New dissolvable plugs promise to save $300,000 a well. “We’ve driven down drilling costs by 50pc, and we can see another 30pc…

    And something called plasma pulse waterless technology…

    All of those negheads at The Oil Drum have been proven totally wrong. And unlike electric cars this is real progress.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Anonymous

    Outrageous hype from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard? Who'd have thought it?

    Replies: @LondonBob

  11. Former president Whatswhisname had a private telephone conversation in late spring with…

    It was not, evidently, a private conversation. Robert Costa and Anne Gearan wouldn’t be privy to it if it were. I’m picking nits,perhaps, but I doubt the investigative duo were listening to this conversation with a paper cup pinned to the adjoining hotel room wall.

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    On Twitter the usual police-bashing screaming ninnies were getting their Irish up about Cecil the Lionhearted’s golden body temporarily stealing away media attention from the epidemic of diabolical coppers “hunting down” cute widdle bwack boys who, you should imagine, strikingly resemble Webster or the young Gary Coleman or Biggie Smalls’s “Ready 2 Die” album cover (for the inevitable movie we have feelers out to Eddie Redmayne, Jude Law, Max von Sydow, etc. to play some of the requisite patrolmen and deputy villain parts). Hillary has already concluded, correctly methinks, that the Democratic base is too childish to connect the dots about her lack of social distance from Trump as generic American rich guy, much less all her N.W.O. friends and UBS “foundation” donors. What have they thrown up against her so far– Sanders? Biden? She must be laughing her head off at such a “threat.” At least she’s still obviously an average-looking past-her-prime ornery-feminist broad, which in relateability terms is a time-tested box office winner & automatic honorary ethnicity to boot, as current media wisdom has it.

  13. Dahlia says:

    How bizarre would it be if it turns out that Trump also called Bill to request that he cuckold him, bringing this whole Trump surge and cuckservative thing full circle?

    Gold frame this one, Steve!

    Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate are the sources for this story. Did Trump want this to get out? The way it is written, it would seem those Trump allies would have leaned on it more to seem less duplicitous. Or not.

  14. “…, according to the four [unnamed persons], who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly. ”

    Once you start noticing sentences of this type, you see them in news reports all the time.

    Let’s ask a few Journalism 101 questions…
    Are these four speaking publicly, or not? Arranging that your identity be concealed makes you anonymous, but does it also make your statement non-public? Are these four Trump flunkies violating an order that Trump gave them, or is their anonymity part of what Trump wants of them?
    The reporters Robert Costa and Anne Gearan are under no ethical obligation to keep the identity of these four publicists — er, informants — secret, so why do they do it? Doesn’t journalistic ethics demand that the public be kept just as informed as the reporters are?

  15. The surrender party is waving this around as their new proof that Trump is a Manchurian candidate of some sort. I’ve never cared for Trump, but I am enjoying the mass panic amongst the professional Right and the Progressive media. I think Kevin Williamson at National Review has had to seek medical help due to Trump.

    I think Trump is our Beppe Grillo. He got into the race as a lark, probably thinking he could sell some books and have some fun. Trump is a smart guy and he likes winning. Plus, he has been doing improvisational TV for a long time. The attacks by the press turned a lark into a serious endeavor and now he is looking like a serious candidate.

    The ratings for the Thursday Gong Show will be interesting. If Trump is polling as well as reported, it will show up in the ratings. Thanks Dad Wallace will make an ass of himself as usual, so it will be hard for anyone to gain much attention, but the focus will be on Trump. The midgets better hope he screws up.

    • Agree: The Z Blog
  16. Hillary Clinton is the least charismatic Democrat running for president since Al Bore, excuse me I mean Al Gore. If she wasn’t a woman, no one in The Democratic Party would be excited about voting for her because she was just be another boring White guy running for president. Hillary Clinton is Al Gore with a vagina.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    @Jefferson


    Hillary Clinton is Al Gore with a vagina.
     
    Silly me; I thought Al Gore was Al Gore with a vagina.
  17. So what you’re implying is that the Trump candidacy might just be a fraud?

    Bernie Sanders is looking better every day.

  18. Slick underestimated Trump and the nerves he touched. He didn’t get the average GOP voter despises most of those running for president. They offer nothing but another Boehner clone.

    Still at the worst, Trump would be another Jeb.

    BTW the same mega-donors for Clinton are also major contributors to Jeb.

    I would just love to see the Bushes go down in defeat. That has to be one of the most despicable families in America alongside the Clintons and the Kennedys.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @rod1963

    I think the Bush family is done. Even without Trump, the feckless GOP establishment and Jeb pissing on the GOP base, Bush 43 ruined the name. Over his eight years in office Dubya lurched from one disaster to another. Six years _after_ he left office we're still facing the economic and global messes he made. Jeb doesn't have any daylight between himself and his brother. To make some, he would have to publicly call his brother a retard.

    Past that, Trump has probably fatally poisoned Jeb's campaign. Trump exposed Jeb and his supporters for the traitors that they are. GOP turnout will be worse than 2012 if Jeb's the candidate.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  19. President Hillary Clinton is the worst thing that could happen to Bill Clinton. Twenty years from now he would be another white guy who was President and one of two who were impeached. Hillary Clinton, first woman President will be right up there with the first black president and the first gay president, whoever that turns out to be.

  20. @Ivy
    My opinion is that Slick Willie encouraged The Donald and stroked his ego toward engagement as a way to divert media attention from Hillary, with the disarray sown among the GOP ranks as a bonus. As Trump news and reactions hog the spotlight there are fewer news cycles for tough questioning of Hillary, and less time for any Dem/Other hopeful besides Sanders to get noticed. By the time that Hillary finally has to respond, the loyal opposition may be played out. The Clintons are reprehensible but their Rope-a-Dope strategy looks effective thus far.

    Replies: @manton, @Dave Pinsen

    Right. Bill is clearly encouraging Trump because he thinks The Donald will be a “wrecker” in the Republican primary, which will help Hillary’s chances. Bill assumes that Trump’s ego is so big and blinding that Trump will not see that Bill does not have his best interests at heart.

  21. On Twitter the usual police-bashing screaming ninnies were getting their Irish up about Cecil the Lionhearted’s golden body temporarily stealing away media attention from

    I cut you off there because it doesn’t matter what the stupid SWPL lion flap was stealing attention from – it was automatically more important than the stupid SWPL lion flap. Kudos to blacks for pointing that out.

  22. Problem with Sanders is he doesn’t want to win. If he were serious he would have pounced all over the Hillary revelations that kept spilling out a couple of weeks ago (trust issues) but he never has. His role is to give her room to move further left to capture the socialist leaning public when push comes to shove later in the cycle. No big corporate donor is going to stomach that from her unless it becomes the only way she can win in the end. She is their creature, but it’s best if the single women can pull her in without her having to resort to more Socialist blather.

    The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama – a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office. He’s been running (from NYC? originally) his entire life.

    • Replies: @simeon
    @Marat

    "The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama – a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office."

    Sounds like Walker.

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Marat


    The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama – a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office.
     
    The same could be said of LBJ and Bill Clinton. Love 'em or hate 'em, you can't deny they were highly effective presidents.
  23. e says:

    This is a well-placed story, right before the debates, to get people thinking there’s a deal. It’s the GOP Elite once again trying to undermine the Donald.

    Look, there are all kinds of Trump stories and videos (one of a relatively young Trump on Oprah) about his desire to change the country’s policies. His interest goes back a long way. He almost ran 4 years ago and several journalists have spoken of their conversations with him about his interest in running. They seemed to understand his interest was genuine, even IF they considered his actual entry into any of the contests unlikely.

    Donald is as shrewd as Clinton. Why not talk to him?

  24. What will really kill Trump, if the other Republucans are interested, is mentioning all the palling around with Bill Clinton.

    Then attacking Trumps relations with NBC.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Rotten

    Are you sure about that? Bill Clinton's name evokes memories of a time when the economy was booming, crime was low, gas was about $1 per gallon, U.S. casualties in foreign adventures counted in the tens instead of thousands, the federal budget was in surplus, and you could keep your shoes on at airports. Who, with the exception of zealots on the WSJ editorial board, wouldn't want to go back to that?

  25. Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ? I’m sure he’s up there but in some interviews his outsized ego can make him look silly.

    For that matter, what about Bill Clinton? I presume neither of these guys are in Unz territory but does anybody have any data to work with (like Steve did with Bush and Kerry’s military tests)?

    Failing that, just give us a wild guess based on observing the Donald…

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Enderby


    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ?
     
    The guy is brilliant.

    My "data":

    1) He is the only candidate who has consistently understood for a number of years what the greatest dangers to the United States are: lousy trade deals and foolish immigration practices. The people here on this blog should understand how this is a sign of high intelligence.

    2) I heard him go through what amounted to debate practice during an interview on the Morning Joe program. He answered specific questions with specific answers that beat anything I have heard any other candidate say. I am sticking my neck out now and saying that I expect a smart performance Thursday night, one that might blow people away and make him an even brighter star in this race. He has command of the issues that matter, and an ability to turn questions around so he can teach others what matters.

    (The MSM-tards keep saying Trump is the frontrunner because people like his attitude toward the political elite, while the truth is most of us like him because we share his views. We like him for specific policy reasons that happen to reside in the MSM's blind spot. He has command of the most important issues, and he clearly states what he wants done about them -- things WE want done.)

    3) He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States. He has done this on his terms, keeping his company private and turning bankers into pet poodles. If Oprah is smart (as I've been taught here she is) then Donald is a genius.

    4) He married a European woman (actually two of them.) Smart men do this. It saves them from the tyranny of the American Woman and her childish demands for "everything in the world you can possibly imagine." Those of us who wisely made this choice are forever smug and happy about this.

    My wild guess for Trump's IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Hibernian

  26. @Ivy
    My opinion is that Slick Willie encouraged The Donald and stroked his ego toward engagement as a way to divert media attention from Hillary, with the disarray sown among the GOP ranks as a bonus. As Trump news and reactions hog the spotlight there are fewer news cycles for tough questioning of Hillary, and less time for any Dem/Other hopeful besides Sanders to get noticed. By the time that Hillary finally has to respond, the loyal opposition may be played out. The Clintons are reprehensible but their Rope-a-Dope strategy looks effective thus far.

    Replies: @manton, @Dave Pinsen

    A guest on Coast to Coast AM last night had another conspiracy theory, that the Clintons were in cahoots with Jeb, to get Jeb elected president, with Hillary holding off more attractive Dem candidates. That guest said Hillary was more interested in being a grandmother and raking in money than in being president.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Dave Pinsen

    The Clintons are obsessed with acquiring power, from power they can acquire wealth. The Democrats are down to 18 governors, and a geriatric brigade of Senators. No other nationally prominent Democrat checks the boxes like Hillary Clinton, the only one who comes close is Julian Castro, they are inflating his resume at HUD to make him a viable VP.

  27. @Dave Pinsen
    @Ivy

    A guest on Coast to Coast AM last night had another conspiracy theory, that the Clintons were in cahoots with Jeb, to get Jeb elected president, with Hillary holding off more attractive Dem candidates. That guest said Hillary was more interested in being a grandmother and raking in money than in being president.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    The Clintons are obsessed with acquiring power, from power they can acquire wealth. The Democrats are down to 18 governors, and a geriatric brigade of Senators. No other nationally prominent Democrat checks the boxes like Hillary Clinton, the only one who comes close is Julian Castro, they are inflating his resume at HUD to make him a viable VP.

  28. @rod1963
    Slick underestimated Trump and the nerves he touched. He didn't get the average GOP voter despises most of those running for president. They offer nothing but another Boehner clone.

    Still at the worst, Trump would be another Jeb.

    BTW the same mega-donors for Clinton are also major contributors to Jeb.

    I would just love to see the Bushes go down in defeat. That has to be one of the most despicable families in America alongside the Clintons and the Kennedys.

    Replies: @Lugash

    I think the Bush family is done. Even without Trump, the feckless GOP establishment and Jeb pissing on the GOP base, Bush 43 ruined the name. Over his eight years in office Dubya lurched from one disaster to another. Six years _after_ he left office we’re still facing the economic and global messes he made. Jeb doesn’t have any daylight between himself and his brother. To make some, he would have to publicly call his brother a retard.

    Past that, Trump has probably fatally poisoned Jeb’s campaign. Trump exposed Jeb and his supporters for the traitors that they are. GOP turnout will be worse than 2012 if Jeb’s the candidate.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Lugash

    Jeb acts like he was stuck in amber in 2000, like none of the events of the last decade and a half happened: the country souring on military adventurism, the base rebelling against a couple-three attempted amnesties, the rise of social media and the political blogosphere, etc. He's hopelessly out of date.

    Trump is the most media-savvy of all the candidates. He has more TV experience than any of them, and he's better at Twitter than any of them too. And he's been ahead of the curve on trade and his skepticism about foreign wars.

  29. @Anonymous
    @Mr. Blank

    "Flashback 2012: Trump Criticized GOP for Being ‘Mean-Spirited’ on Immigration"

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/flashback-2012-trump-criticized-gop-for-being-mean-spirited-on-immigration/

    Replies: @Difference Maker

    What Trump said was pretty even handed. He has talked about bringing jobs back to America for many years.

  30. Another good conspiracy theory. “Anne Gearan” sounds possibly Turkish.

  31. @Enderby
    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump's IQ? I'm sure he's up there but in some interviews his outsized ego can make him look silly.

    For that matter, what about Bill Clinton? I presume neither of these guys are in Unz territory but does anybody have any data to work with (like Steve did with Bush and Kerry's military tests)?

    Failing that, just give us a wild guess based on observing the Donald...

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ?

    The guy is brilliant.

    My “data”:

    1) He is the only candidate who has consistently understood for a number of years what the greatest dangers to the United States are: lousy trade deals and foolish immigration practices. The people here on this blog should understand how this is a sign of high intelligence.

    2) I heard him go through what amounted to debate practice during an interview on the Morning Joe program. He answered specific questions with specific answers that beat anything I have heard any other candidate say. I am sticking my neck out now and saying that I expect a smart performance Thursday night, one that might blow people away and make him an even brighter star in this race. He has command of the issues that matter, and an ability to turn questions around so he can teach others what matters.

    (The MSM-tards keep saying Trump is the frontrunner because people like his attitude toward the political elite, while the truth is most of us like him because we share his views. We like him for specific policy reasons that happen to reside in the MSM’s blind spot. He has command of the most important issues, and he clearly states what he wants done about them — things WE want done.)

    3) He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States. He has done this on his terms, keeping his company private and turning bankers into pet poodles. If Oprah is smart (as I’ve been taught here she is) then Donald is a genius.

    4) He married a European woman (actually two of them.) Smart men do this. It saves them from the tyranny of the American Woman and her childish demands for “everything in the world you can possibly imagine.” Those of us who wisely made this choice are forever smug and happy about this.

    My wild guess for Trump’s IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "My wild guess for Trump’s IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff."

    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Hibernian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States."

    He's a gambling mogul, like Sheldon Adelson, not a maufacturer.

  32. @Just sayin'
    @Mr. Blank

    We're aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we're sick of the establishment GOP.

    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    “Just sayin’ says:

    We’re aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we’re sick of the establishment GOP.”

    True. We know that the others in the Republican field will definitely betray us. Betraying conservatives is what Republicans do.

  33. @Anonymous
    OT: iSteve, this Shale Revolution is the key to many things. Outrageous productivity gains keep vexing the doubters.

    Link has the latest info:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11768136/Saudi-Arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-US-oil-industry-buckles.html

    Advanced pad drilling techniques allow frackers to launch five or ten wells in different directions from the same site. Smart drill-bits with computer chips can seek out cracks in the rock. New dissolvable plugs promise to save $300,000 a well. "We've driven down drilling costs by 50pc, and we can see another 30pc...

    And something called plasma pulse waterless technology...

    All of those negheads at The Oil Drum have been proven totally wrong. And unlike electric cars this is real progress.

    Replies: @5371

    Outrageous hype from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard? Who’d have thought it?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @5371

    Let's see what those shale oil producers' income statements are when those hedges close out shortly, they will tell you more than their IR people will. Good reasons the rig count has collapsed.

  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Enderby


    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ?
     
    The guy is brilliant.

    My "data":

    1) He is the only candidate who has consistently understood for a number of years what the greatest dangers to the United States are: lousy trade deals and foolish immigration practices. The people here on this blog should understand how this is a sign of high intelligence.

    2) I heard him go through what amounted to debate practice during an interview on the Morning Joe program. He answered specific questions with specific answers that beat anything I have heard any other candidate say. I am sticking my neck out now and saying that I expect a smart performance Thursday night, one that might blow people away and make him an even brighter star in this race. He has command of the issues that matter, and an ability to turn questions around so he can teach others what matters.

    (The MSM-tards keep saying Trump is the frontrunner because people like his attitude toward the political elite, while the truth is most of us like him because we share his views. We like him for specific policy reasons that happen to reside in the MSM's blind spot. He has command of the most important issues, and he clearly states what he wants done about them -- things WE want done.)

    3) He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States. He has done this on his terms, keeping his company private and turning bankers into pet poodles. If Oprah is smart (as I've been taught here she is) then Donald is a genius.

    4) He married a European woman (actually two of them.) Smart men do this. It saves them from the tyranny of the American Woman and her childish demands for "everything in the world you can possibly imagine." Those of us who wisely made this choice are forever smug and happy about this.

    My wild guess for Trump's IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Hibernian

    “My wild guess for Trump’s IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff.”

    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jefferson


    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?
     
    Most of the other Republican candidates are no smarter than the TV "journalists" who cover them. That means modestly above average, enough to mouth and mime the jobs they have but not enough to figure out what matters. They possess only moderate ability with logic.

    Ben Carson must be a lot smarter than Barry Sotero, and smarter than most other candidates. I assume Dr. Carson has an IQ that fits into the range for surgeons. If I didn't know about his accomplishments, I would have no idea about his intelligence, because it hasn't come across in what little I have seen of him.

    Barry is a guy who is smart enough to get into a state college, win some classroom debates, and think he knows more than he does -- only in his case, this unfortunate psychological phenomenon is on steroids. I give him an IQ of 125. (I may be knocking him around a bit, but I am so damned tired of hearing him read crap off his teleprompters. He's a tool.)

    I of course know very little of what I'm talking about, so that makes me just another idiot on the internet.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Jefferson

    I would guess not. There's an old joke that suggests why: "Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything -- but too late."

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they're more doers than thinkers.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  35. @Rotten
    What will really kill Trump, if the other Republucans are interested, is mentioning all the palling around with Bill Clinton.

    Then attacking Trumps relations with NBC.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Are you sure about that? Bill Clinton’s name evokes memories of a time when the economy was booming, crime was low, gas was about $1 per gallon, U.S. casualties in foreign adventures counted in the tens instead of thousands, the federal budget was in surplus, and you could keep your shoes on at airports. Who, with the exception of zealots on the WSJ editorial board, wouldn’t want to go back to that?

  36. A 12 year old blue eyed British girl named Nicole Barr scored a higher IQ than Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein.
    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/news/a44209/nicole-barr-iq-test/

    Knowing Hollyweird, they will make a film about her and probably cast a Black actress to play Nicole Barr to make low IQ Black movie audiences feel good about their race. It wouldn’t be the first time Hollyweird has Black washed White accomplishments, they did it with the casting of Morgan Freeman in Dolphin Tale 1 and 2.

  37. The FBI has opened a criminal probe into Hillary!s private email server. That was how they got Petraeus. Guess Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    Bill probably knows this. Hence hedging bets with The Donald.

    • Replies: @Horzabky
    @Whiskey

    Guess Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    Elizabeth Warren, maybe? Sometimes, Obama and Jarrett seem to think that anyone will do, even a white person, provided he/she isn't Hillary.

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Whiskey


    Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?
     
    First, remember it's Valerie Jarrett calling the shots, not Barack. And I'd say she'd love to extend her stay in the WH another 8 years by getting Michelle elected.

    Sabotage Hillary with a steady drip, drip, drip of scandal and then, at the last practical moment, manufacture a financial or foreign policy crisis. Hold up Michelle as the only person who can keep Barack's legacy safe during these times of trouble from GOP barbarians. Organizing for America is her ready-made, fully-funded campaign organization.

    Of course, Valerie could just persuade Barack to run for a third term. 22nd Amendment has never been challenged. Who would enforce it?

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

  38. Anything that gets a lot of attention from the mainstream media is probably misdirection.

  39. @Jefferson
    Hillary Clinton is the least charismatic Democrat running for president since Al Bore, excuse me I mean Al Gore. If she wasn't a woman, no one in The Democratic Party would be excited about voting for her because she was just be another boring White guy running for president. Hillary Clinton is Al Gore with a vagina.

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna

    Hillary Clinton is Al Gore with a vagina.

    Silly me; I thought Al Gore was Al Gore with a vagina.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  40. Trump thinks he’s smarter than he is. I’m all for his shaking up the race, but he’ll be a babe in the woods when it comes to the dirty political pool that is second nature to the Clintons.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Kyle McKenna

    I don't think there are any babes in the woods who have successfully developed real estate in New York City and Chicago.

    People keep underestimating Trump. First, the McCain comments were going to end his campaign, and his poll numbers are higher now. Then his giving out Lindsay Graham's flip phone number was supposed to boost Graham's poll numbers. Graham is still hovering at 0%.

    And that incident highlights an advantage Trump has: like Graham, lots of pols (including the Clintons) have come to him for donations. He has warm thank you letters from all of them, I'm sure.

  41. @Lugash
    @rod1963

    I think the Bush family is done. Even without Trump, the feckless GOP establishment and Jeb pissing on the GOP base, Bush 43 ruined the name. Over his eight years in office Dubya lurched from one disaster to another. Six years _after_ he left office we're still facing the economic and global messes he made. Jeb doesn't have any daylight between himself and his brother. To make some, he would have to publicly call his brother a retard.

    Past that, Trump has probably fatally poisoned Jeb's campaign. Trump exposed Jeb and his supporters for the traitors that they are. GOP turnout will be worse than 2012 if Jeb's the candidate.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Jeb acts like he was stuck in amber in 2000, like none of the events of the last decade and a half happened: the country souring on military adventurism, the base rebelling against a couple-three attempted amnesties, the rise of social media and the political blogosphere, etc. He’s hopelessly out of date.

    Trump is the most media-savvy of all the candidates. He has more TV experience than any of them, and he’s better at Twitter than any of them too. And he’s been ahead of the curve on trade and his skepticism about foreign wars.

  42. @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "My wild guess for Trump’s IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff."

    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dave Pinsen

    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?

    Most of the other Republican candidates are no smarter than the TV “journalists” who cover them. That means modestly above average, enough to mouth and mime the jobs they have but not enough to figure out what matters. They possess only moderate ability with logic.

    Ben Carson must be a lot smarter than Barry Sotero, and smarter than most other candidates. I assume Dr. Carson has an IQ that fits into the range for surgeons. If I didn’t know about his accomplishments, I would have no idea about his intelligence, because it hasn’t come across in what little I have seen of him.

    Barry is a guy who is smart enough to get into a state college, win some classroom debates, and think he knows more than he does — only in his case, this unfortunate psychological phenomenon is on steroids. I give him an IQ of 125. (I may be knocking him around a bit, but I am so damned tired of hearing him read crap off his teleprompters. He’s a tool.)

    I of course know very little of what I’m talking about, so that makes me just another idiot on the internet.

  43. @Jefferson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "My wild guess for Trump’s IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff."

    What would be your wild guess for the other Republican candidates? Do you believe the neurosurgeon Ben Carson has a higher IQ than Hussein Obama?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dave Pinsen

    I would guess not. There’s an old joke that suggests why: “Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything — but too late.”

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they’re more doers than thinkers.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dave Pinsen


    I would guess not. There’s an old joke that suggests why: “Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything — but too late.”

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they’re more doers than thinkers.

     

    I'm not sure I agree with you here. Besides, we need more people who actually know how to do things, not more people who talk and write and study things but produce nothing.

    I have benefitted from the work of two excellent surgeons in the past year. Both of those guys are whip-smart.

    Ben Carson is not your average brain surgeon, either. Whatever his IQ, I'll take his surgical abilities over quiz-show, brain-teaser performance any day, especially when my life depends on it.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  44. @Kyle McKenna
    Trump thinks he's smarter than he is. I'm all for his shaking up the race, but he'll be a babe in the woods when it comes to the dirty political pool that is second nature to the Clintons.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I don’t think there are any babes in the woods who have successfully developed real estate in New York City and Chicago.

    People keep underestimating Trump. First, the McCain comments were going to end his campaign, and his poll numbers are higher now. Then his giving out Lindsay Graham’s flip phone number was supposed to boost Graham’s poll numbers. Graham is still hovering at 0%.

    And that incident highlights an advantage Trump has: like Graham, lots of pols (including the Clintons) have come to him for donations. He has warm thank you letters from all of them, I’m sure.

  45. @Whiskey
    The FBI has opened a criminal probe into Hillary!s private email server. That was how they got Petraeus. Guess Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    Bill probably knows this. Hence hedging bets with The Donald.

    Replies: @Horzabky, @Paul Mendez

    Guess Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    Elizabeth Warren, maybe? Sometimes, Obama and Jarrett seem to think that anyone will do, even a white person, provided he/she isn’t Hillary.

  46. @Dave Pinsen
    @Jefferson

    I would guess not. There's an old joke that suggests why: "Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything -- but too late."

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they're more doers than thinkers.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I would guess not. There’s an old joke that suggests why: “Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything — but too late.”

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they’re more doers than thinkers.

    I’m not sure I agree with you here. Besides, we need more people who actually know how to do things, not more people who talk and write and study things but produce nothing.

    I have benefitted from the work of two excellent surgeons in the past year. Both of those guys are whip-smart.

    Ben Carson is not your average brain surgeon, either. Whatever his IQ, I’ll take his surgical abilities over quiz-show, brain-teaser performance any day, especially when my life depends on it.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No question Carson was an excellent surgeon, and I'm sure he's smart. I just don't think he's smarter than Obama. And I don't think he would make a great president. He lacks political experience, and, from what I've gathered of his ideology from following him on Twitter for a year or two, he seems like a black Jack Kemp. Just like Kemp extrapolated from taking showers with black NFL players, Carson does the same from his own experience. Carson tells how he once stabbed a fellow student before he found his way.

    In reality, most teens who stab people aren't budding neurosurgeons, and most black people aren't one enterprise zone away from becoming members of the Chamber of Commerce. Proceeding as if they are isn't conservative, and will lead to bad policy.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  47. Donald Trump is the most charismatic Republican running for president since Ronald Reagan. While I am not a fan of his 1986 amnesty, that still does not change the fact that he had charisma. I love this classic line from The Gipper.

  48. @5371
    @Anonymous

    Outrageous hype from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard? Who'd have thought it?

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Let’s see what those shale oil producers’ income statements are when those hedges close out shortly, they will tell you more than their IR people will. Good reasons the rig count has collapsed.

  49. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dave Pinsen


    I would guess not. There’s an old joke that suggests why: “Neurologists know everything and do nothing; neurosurgeons know nothing and do everything; and neuropathologists know everything and do everything — but too late.”

    Surgeons are basically mechanics of the human body. Reasonably smart, but they’re more doers than thinkers.

     

    I'm not sure I agree with you here. Besides, we need more people who actually know how to do things, not more people who talk and write and study things but produce nothing.

    I have benefitted from the work of two excellent surgeons in the past year. Both of those guys are whip-smart.

    Ben Carson is not your average brain surgeon, either. Whatever his IQ, I'll take his surgical abilities over quiz-show, brain-teaser performance any day, especially when my life depends on it.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    No question Carson was an excellent surgeon, and I’m sure he’s smart. I just don’t think he’s smarter than Obama. And I don’t think he would make a great president. He lacks political experience, and, from what I’ve gathered of his ideology from following him on Twitter for a year or two, he seems like a black Jack Kemp. Just like Kemp extrapolated from taking showers with black NFL players, Carson does the same from his own experience. Carson tells how he once stabbed a fellow student before he found his way.

    In reality, most teens who stab people aren’t budding neurosurgeons, and most black people aren’t one enterprise zone away from becoming members of the Chamber of Commerce. Proceeding as if they are isn’t conservative, and will lead to bad policy.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dave Pinsen

    Agreed, there is no reason to believe Dr. Carson would make a good president. I won't even bother to try to understand why he is running. It isn't worth my time. I've already decided who the only worthwhile candidate is, idiosyncracies and all.

    Jimmy Carter is a nuclear engineer, a naval officer, and a farmer. He is no dummy, but few people would say he was anything more than a mediocre president. With all his apparent brains, he wasn't any good at being the chief executive of the United States of America.

    Ronald Reagan, Carter's vanquisher, was a B-list movie actor who did some corporate shilling for General Electric and then got elected governor of California as a celebrity candidate. He turned out to be a very powerful president with clear, consistent ideas about what was important for the United States at the time. The MSM and the political elite said the same things about him in 1980 that they are saying now about Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  50. Can’t help wondering if the security apparatus is out to get Hildog over Libya (and perhaps Syria). Another campaign like the stop the Iran war campaign. Perhaps Phil Giraldi is the guy to ask.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-military-option-20150720-story.html

    First highly educated billionaire Romney was an idiot now highly educated billionaire Trump is an idiot. The left has a lot invested in their false self conception of their own intellectual superiority.

  51. Perhaps Bill thought that Trump would wreck the candidacy of Bush, smoothing the way for a Hillary victory.

  52. @Just sayin'
    @Mr. Blank

    We're aware that Trump might betray us, but we literally have nothing to lose by voting for him instead of Jeb and it sends a message that we're sick of the establishment GOP.

    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    The worst thing that could happen is that he turns into Jeb.

    So Trump dumps the trophy wife(s) and starts worrying about whether he deserves a 4″10 over ripe chiquita who does not speak English but insists he learn Español.

    Kinda of doubt it.

    That’s way beyond Cuckservative and about as likely as the Donald castrating himself with a dull knife.

  53. Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ? I’m sure he’s up there but in some interviews his outsized ego can make him look silly.

    For that matter, what about Bill Clinton? I presume neither of these guys are in Unz territory but does anybody have any data to work with (like Steve did with Bush and Kerry’s military tests)?

    Statistically I would expect Trump to have an IQ around 125:

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/07/22/estimating-the-iq-of-donald-trump/

    But that could be an underestimate because Trump did uniquely well on the Iraq war “IQ test” which could really help him in the general election if he pays his cards right:

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/06/17/donald-trump-gets-high-score-on-iraq-war-iq-test/

    Bill Clinton is probably around 143 at the most:

    https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/historiometric-estimate-of-bill-clintons-iq/

    The main difference between the men is Bill is entirely self-made.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @pumpkinperson

    Clinton's stepfather was politically connected and relatively rich.

  54. @Marat
    Problem with Sanders is he doesn't want to win. If he were serious he would have pounced all over the Hillary revelations that kept spilling out a couple of weeks ago (trust issues) but he never has. His role is to give her room to move further left to capture the socialist leaning public when push comes to shove later in the cycle. No big corporate donor is going to stomach that from her unless it becomes the only way she can win in the end. She is their creature, but it's best if the single women can pull her in without her having to resort to more Socialist blather.

    The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama - a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office. He's been running (from NYC? originally) his entire life.

    Replies: @simeon, @Paul Mendez

    “The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama – a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office.”

    Sounds like Walker.

  55. No question Carson was an excellent surgeon, and I’m sure he’s smart. I just don’t think he’s smarter than Obama

    Carson’s professional achievement indicate extremely high IQ, but his black conservatism indicates very low IQ. The reason is that black ancestry and political conservatism are both independently negatively correlated with IQ, and yet both are negatively correlated with each other, so someone who has the rare combination of being both black and a conservative will be especially at risk for low IQ.

    Of course Carson (a brilliant surgeon) is likely much much smarter than the average black Republican.

  56. Barry is a guy who is smart enough to get into a state college, win some classroom debates, and think he knows more than he does — only in his case, this unfortunate psychological phenomenon is on steroids. I give him an IQ of 125.

    You may be just another idiot on the interwebs, but if I had to give a number for Hussein, and not a range, 125 is what I’d pick, too.

    Cruz is probably pretty sharp. He’s also not as squishy as your average GOP pol. Heard him resisting interrogation by a urinalist once (“but would you say Iraq Attaq II was a mistake” x 50) and he performed well.

  57. @Dave Pinsen
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No question Carson was an excellent surgeon, and I'm sure he's smart. I just don't think he's smarter than Obama. And I don't think he would make a great president. He lacks political experience, and, from what I've gathered of his ideology from following him on Twitter for a year or two, he seems like a black Jack Kemp. Just like Kemp extrapolated from taking showers with black NFL players, Carson does the same from his own experience. Carson tells how he once stabbed a fellow student before he found his way.

    In reality, most teens who stab people aren't budding neurosurgeons, and most black people aren't one enterprise zone away from becoming members of the Chamber of Commerce. Proceeding as if they are isn't conservative, and will lead to bad policy.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Agreed, there is no reason to believe Dr. Carson would make a good president. I won’t even bother to try to understand why he is running. It isn’t worth my time. I’ve already decided who the only worthwhile candidate is, idiosyncracies and all.

    Jimmy Carter is a nuclear engineer, a naval officer, and a farmer. He is no dummy, but few people would say he was anything more than a mediocre president. With all his apparent brains, he wasn’t any good at being the chief executive of the United States of America.

    Ronald Reagan, Carter’s vanquisher, was a B-list movie actor who did some corporate shilling for General Electric and then got elected governor of California as a celebrity candidate. He turned out to be a very powerful president with clear, consistent ideas about what was important for the United States at the time. The MSM and the political elite said the same things about him in 1980 that they are saying now about Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    What was so good about Reagan's presidency? I would think readers here would be more cynical about Reagan's presidency.

    His passed amnesty, and his economic policies promoted the FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate) and led to a Wall Street boom at the expense of the rest of the economy. Also NAFTA and pro-free trade policy were developed under the Reagan administration, and then implemented in the 90s. These policies have devastated the US and we're still dealing with them today.

    He was terrible substantively, but he had the style and presentation to get ordinary Americans to believe that he was good. There's a similarity with Obama and black Americans. Black Americans' economic and social prospects have declined under Obama, but because Obama is black and because of his style and presentation when speaking to blacks, black Americans presume he's been good.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    @Dave Pinsen

    Agreed, there is no reason to believe Dr. Carson would make a good president. I won't even bother to try to understand why he is running. It isn't worth my time. I've already decided who the only worthwhile candidate is, idiosyncracies and all.

    Jimmy Carter is a nuclear engineer, a naval officer, and a farmer. He is no dummy, but few people would say he was anything more than a mediocre president. With all his apparent brains, he wasn't any good at being the chief executive of the United States of America.

    Ronald Reagan, Carter's vanquisher, was a B-list movie actor who did some corporate shilling for General Electric and then got elected governor of California as a celebrity candidate. He turned out to be a very powerful president with clear, consistent ideas about what was important for the United States at the time. The MSM and the political elite said the same things about him in 1980 that they are saying now about Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What was so good about Reagan’s presidency? I would think readers here would be more cynical about Reagan’s presidency.

    His passed amnesty, and his economic policies promoted the FIRE sector (finance, insurance, real estate) and led to a Wall Street boom at the expense of the rest of the economy. Also NAFTA and pro-free trade policy were developed under the Reagan administration, and then implemented in the 90s. These policies have devastated the US and we’re still dealing with them today.

    He was terrible substantively, but he had the style and presentation to get ordinary Americans to believe that he was good. There’s a similarity with Obama and black Americans. Black Americans’ economic and social prospects have declined under Obama, but because Obama is black and because of his style and presentation when speaking to blacks, black Americans presume he’s been good.

  59. @Marat
    Problem with Sanders is he doesn't want to win. If he were serious he would have pounced all over the Hillary revelations that kept spilling out a couple of weeks ago (trust issues) but he never has. His role is to give her room to move further left to capture the socialist leaning public when push comes to shove later in the cycle. No big corporate donor is going to stomach that from her unless it becomes the only way she can win in the end. She is their creature, but it's best if the single women can pull her in without her having to resort to more Socialist blather.

    The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama - a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office. He's been running (from NYC? originally) his entire life.

    Replies: @simeon, @Paul Mendez

    The other thing about Sanders is he is a lot like Obama – a professional public man with zero, zilch, zed experience outside of public office.

    The same could be said of LBJ and Bill Clinton. Love ’em or hate ’em, you can’t deny they were highly effective presidents.

  60. @Whiskey
    The FBI has opened a criminal probe into Hillary!s private email server. That was how they got Petraeus. Guess Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    Bill probably knows this. Hence hedging bets with The Donald.

    Replies: @Horzabky, @Paul Mendez

    Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?

    First, remember it’s Valerie Jarrett calling the shots, not Barack. And I’d say she’d love to extend her stay in the WH another 8 years by getting Michelle elected.

    Sabotage Hillary with a steady drip, drip, drip of scandal and then, at the last practical moment, manufacture a financial or foreign policy crisis. Hold up Michelle as the only person who can keep Barack’s legacy safe during these times of trouble from GOP barbarians. Organizing for America is her ready-made, fully-funded campaign organization.

    Of course, Valerie could just persuade Barack to run for a third term. 22nd Amendment has never been challenged. Who would enforce it?

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Paul Mendez

    To steal a nightmare scenario from Ann Barnhardt, what if Barack were to be "unexpectedly" assassinated by some white supremacist at just the right time during the primaries? (The incompetence of the Secret Service has been conveniently established for some time now.)

    #BlackLivesMatter would merge with white guilt and Michelle waving the bloody shirt. She'd win in a landslide with the mandate to continue the fundamental transformation of America her husband started.

  61. James Woods claims to have an extremely high IQ, in the MENSA level range.
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000249/bio

  62. Normally I’d say that it’s entirely possible that Bill Clinton gave Trump good advice because he really is that full of himself, and wanted to play the guru. Because he hasn’t had the stage in 20 years. His ego’s easily big enough to make him forget Hill for a few. But the scrum of lickspittles listening in tends to argue against.

  63. First, remember it’s Valerie Jarrett calling the shots, not Barack.

    Then why is she constantly sucking up to him; telling him he’s so brilliant.

    I agree she has way more influence than your average White House aid given her long personal friendship with the Obamas, but unless she knows some deep dark secrets, she has no real power.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @pumpkinperson


    Then why is she constantly sucking up to him; telling him he’s so brilliant.
     
    Because — duh! — that's how she calls all the shots.

    Seriously, what kind of pumpkin head are you ???

    Replies: @pumpkinperson

  64. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Enderby


    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ?
     
    The guy is brilliant.

    My "data":

    1) He is the only candidate who has consistently understood for a number of years what the greatest dangers to the United States are: lousy trade deals and foolish immigration practices. The people here on this blog should understand how this is a sign of high intelligence.

    2) I heard him go through what amounted to debate practice during an interview on the Morning Joe program. He answered specific questions with specific answers that beat anything I have heard any other candidate say. I am sticking my neck out now and saying that I expect a smart performance Thursday night, one that might blow people away and make him an even brighter star in this race. He has command of the issues that matter, and an ability to turn questions around so he can teach others what matters.

    (The MSM-tards keep saying Trump is the frontrunner because people like his attitude toward the political elite, while the truth is most of us like him because we share his views. We like him for specific policy reasons that happen to reside in the MSM's blind spot. He has command of the most important issues, and he clearly states what he wants done about them -- things WE want done.)

    3) He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States. He has done this on his terms, keeping his company private and turning bankers into pet poodles. If Oprah is smart (as I've been taught here she is) then Donald is a genius.

    4) He married a European woman (actually two of them.) Smart men do this. It saves them from the tyranny of the American Woman and her childish demands for "everything in the world you can possibly imagine." Those of us who wisely made this choice are forever smug and happy about this.

    My wild guess for Trump's IQ: 140 at least. He has 99th percentile stuff.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Hibernian

    “He has made billions of dollars actually producing things in the United States.”

    He’s a gambling mogul, like Sheldon Adelson, not a maufacturer.

  65. @pumpkinperson
    Could someone from the iSteve commentariat give an estimate of Donald Trump’s IQ? I’m sure he’s up there but in some interviews his outsized ego can make him look silly.

    For that matter, what about Bill Clinton? I presume neither of these guys are in Unz territory but does anybody have any data to work with (like Steve did with Bush and Kerry’s military tests)?

    Statistically I would expect Trump to have an IQ around 125:

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/07/22/estimating-the-iq-of-donald-trump/

    But that could be an underestimate because Trump did uniquely well on the Iraq war "IQ test" which could really help him in the general election if he pays his cards right:

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/06/17/donald-trump-gets-high-score-on-iraq-war-iq-test/

    Bill Clinton is probably around 143 at the most:

    https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/historiometric-estimate-of-bill-clintons-iq/

    The main difference between the men is Bill is entirely self-made.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Clinton’s stepfather was politically connected and relatively rich.

  66. @pumpkinperson
    First, remember it’s Valerie Jarrett calling the shots, not Barack.

    Then why is she constantly sucking up to him; telling him he's so brilliant.

    I agree she has way more influence than your average White House aid given her long personal friendship with the Obamas, but unless she knows some deep dark secrets, she has no real power.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    Then why is she constantly sucking up to him; telling him he’s so brilliant.

    Because — duh! — that’s how she calls all the shots.

    Seriously, what kind of pumpkin head are you ???

    • Replies: @pumpkinperson
    @Paul Mendez

    Because — duh! — that’s how she calls all the shots

    Translation: she's just a glorified "yes woman" who gets to make decisions only because her decisions serve his world view. The second she strongly opposes him on anything of substance, her lack of real power is exposed.

  67. @Paul Mendez
    @Whiskey


    Obama has his own surprise candidate. Michelle? Oprah? Cory Booker?
     
    First, remember it's Valerie Jarrett calling the shots, not Barack. And I'd say she'd love to extend her stay in the WH another 8 years by getting Michelle elected.

    Sabotage Hillary with a steady drip, drip, drip of scandal and then, at the last practical moment, manufacture a financial or foreign policy crisis. Hold up Michelle as the only person who can keep Barack's legacy safe during these times of trouble from GOP barbarians. Organizing for America is her ready-made, fully-funded campaign organization.

    Of course, Valerie could just persuade Barack to run for a third term. 22nd Amendment has never been challenged. Who would enforce it?

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    To steal a nightmare scenario from Ann Barnhardt, what if Barack were to be “unexpectedly” assassinated by some white supremacist at just the right time during the primaries? (The incompetence of the Secret Service has been conveniently established for some time now.)

    #BlackLivesMatter would merge with white guilt and Michelle waving the bloody shirt. She’d win in a landslide with the mandate to continue the fundamental transformation of America her husband started.

  68. @Paul Mendez
    @pumpkinperson


    Then why is she constantly sucking up to him; telling him he’s so brilliant.
     
    Because — duh! — that's how she calls all the shots.

    Seriously, what kind of pumpkin head are you ???

    Replies: @pumpkinperson

    Because — duh! — that’s how she calls all the shots

    Translation: she’s just a glorified “yes woman” who gets to make decisions only because her decisions serve his world view. The second she strongly opposes him on anything of substance, her lack of real power is exposed.

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