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The New York Times has a big datamap of the whole country (Los Angeles shown above) depicting Census tracts that have been getting whiter (salmon color) and nonwhiter (blue) from 2000-2017. Of course, this is framed in Concern Porn terms about blacks suffering from increasing numbers of white neighbors:

THE UPSHOT |The Neighborhood Is Mostly Black. The Home Buyers Are Mostly White.

But I imagine that 90% of the NYT subscribers who look at the map are would-be gentrifiers hoping to get a hint where the latest hot new neighborhood for whites to pour into is so maybe they can get in on it. Here’s New York:

And Chicago:

Gentrification always struck me as a natural Big Data Ap. Anybody know of good websites for scouting out trending neighborhoods? Overlay homicides and school test scores …

 
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  1. complaining about “gentrification” is the highest possible white guilty.

    obvious that the owners of the media that are pushing this agenda arent gentrifying nothing, their neighborhoods are wealthy for generations

    • Replies: @guest
    @baked georgia

    They used to complain about white-on-white gentrification. For instance, in this song from the early-90s that has some funny lyrics about Trump:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3IzKJV28sE

    , @Ed
    @baked georgia

    I don’t know I think this is up there in terms of white guilt:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/magazine/was-i-right-to-call-the-cops-on-a-black-man-breaking-into-a-car.html
    Was I Right to Call the Cops on a Black Man Breaking Into a Car?


    Recently, I witnessed a young black male cut across my yard, duck between my neighbors’ two cars and try the doors of both, before “breaking” into the unlocked one. I opened my back door and yelled, “I see you getting into that car!” He took off running. I called the police and then posted to the (admittedly sometimes racially charged) Nextdoor app, in the hopes that my neighbors would check the locks on their cars and homes.

    Break-ins are fairly common in my neighborhood, and this isn’t the first time that I’ve witnessed what appeared to be a theft and called the police. It was, however, the first time I was certain the suspicious person was a black man. I immediately felt a pang of guilt for calling the police and haven’t been able to stop thinking about it, given the tragic way things too often end between police and people of color.

    I feel an obligation to my family and my neighbors to report crimes. But I’d rather have my car broken into than have a person’s life ruined by my 911 call. And honestly, I don’t even know if it’s a crime to open someone’s unlocked vehicle.

    If the incident had been a forced entry or violent in any way, I would feel less torn about having called the police. And really, people should know better than to leave their cars unlocked. I sincerely hope the young man wasn’t apprehended but instead was just scared off and won’t lurk around my home again. But what if he had been arrested? I also shudder to think how many young black men vaguely matching his description were harassed by officers after my call.

    Did I do the right thing by calling the police? Or am I bordering here on behaving like BBQ Becky — the white woman in California who called the police on a group of black people having a barbecue? Name Withheld, Missouri
     

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Louis Renault
    @baked georgia

    Next seaon on Game of Homes: Whitey is Coming.

  2. I think what can explain de-suburbanization is that many suburbs are “diverse” right now. so if you can’t ran away, why having a 2 hour commute?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @baked georgia

    Yes and all but the most "exclusive" suburbs are being trashed as we speak.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

  3. A handy one is “%age of students receiving free lunch”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe, Averaged


    A handy one is “%age of students receiving free lunch”

     

    Hubert Humphrey argued that subsidized school lunches should not be subject to means testing. In other words, indeed, in his own words, even for the kid with a five-dollar bill in his pocket. (That would be about $30 today.)

    Replies: @Anon, @South Texas Guy

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Joe, Averaged

    I wonder how long before GreatSchools.com gets woke and starts omitting all racial data? Or maybe they’re smart enough to know they would likely go out of business without it.

    , @Forbes
    @Joe, Averaged

    Many schools provide free lunch for all students so as not to stigmatize the needier students receiving the subsidy. (And the prog-left premise of all student being equal.)

    The law of unintended consequences rears its head...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  4. Cato says:

    You can do all of this data analysis on your own, for free. Use the American Community Survey blockgroup-level demographic and housing data, get the shapefiles from the Census Tiger Line Files, and look for any data related to crime from your local government open data sites. Use QGIS to visualize your data. There are clear markers for the emerging areas of gentrification. I’ve found a few, and you can probably find some too.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Cato

    Wow, that sure was helpful.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Known Fact

  5. Overlay homicides and school test scores …

    Has anyone done an SAT/ACT survey of schools which have seen mass shootings? I’m sure they have much higher scores than those schools with many individual shootings.

  6. @Joe, Averaged
    A handy one is "%age of students receiving free lunch"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Forbes

    A handy one is “%age of students receiving free lunch”

    Hubert Humphrey argued that subsidized school lunches should not be subject to means testing. In other words, indeed, in his own words, even for the kid with a five-dollar bill in his pocket. (That would be about $30 today.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hubert Humphrey. He'd be considered alt right today, along with Patrick Moynahan.

    , @South Texas Guy
    @Reg Cæsar

    If a school is at a certain threshold, it can give away free lunches to all students. Both of the schools I worked at did this. I'm just guessing, but I think it is/was something like 80 percent.

    My mother is a retired teacher, and she said she remembers in the early 70s having to talk kids into taking their free lunches because charity was embarrassing. My how times have changed.

  7. Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!

    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”

    Truth hurts!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Magic tissue/ tragic tissue.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”

    Well, it's certainly quieter.

    , @J.Ross
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    She's got a point there: whites haven't been cannibals since Rome was expanding. Black bodies are not as interesting or valued by whites because of the bigoted ideas of white people regarding what constitutes edible food.

    , @guest
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    For a second, I thought they were talking about cadavers, with the literally.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The Tragedy Of The 13th Amendment.

  8. This is an illegal map, Steve, per the new hate-map laws. Geography is racissst! Spatially-distributed displays of data are tools of the patriarchy.

    I like that spot just south of Giardia Field, though.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Tiny, is that you masquerading as our Achmed?

  9. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!


    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”
     
    Truth hurts!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @J.Ross, @guest, @Redneck farmer

    Magic tissue/ tragic tissue.

    • LOL: TomSchmidt
    • Troll: International Jew
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry! I meant to press LOL, not Troll!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  10. This is consistent with widespread earlier ideas that upwardly mobile whites are “retaking” city centers.

  11. It gets even more interesting when you compare the Chicago map listed here with the Chicago crime map and the Chicago demographics map.
    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime
    https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Safety/Crimes-Map/dfnk-7re6

  12. The people at Upshot and Propublica make data available on who makes contributions to bad think political campaigns so antifa can find them and assault them. They don’t make data available for all political campaigns, only those that BadWhites like. They don’t care about open source data science. They are partisans who will not never publish anything that does not conform to their agenda.

  13. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe, Averaged


    A handy one is “%age of students receiving free lunch”

     

    Hubert Humphrey argued that subsidized school lunches should not be subject to means testing. In other words, indeed, in his own words, even for the kid with a five-dollar bill in his pocket. (That would be about $30 today.)

    Replies: @Anon, @South Texas Guy

    Hubert Humphrey. He’d be considered alt right today, along with Patrick Moynahan.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  14. A random thought: Now that phones have facial recognition, could you make an app that would be different depending on the race of the user?

  15. Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous55uu


    Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff
     
    It's funny how these sites conceal the good stuff just enough that you need a 95 IQ to find it, and then when you find it, you need a 95 IQ to translate the CYA phrasing of everything. For instance, a low "equity" rating means it's a more desirable school, because it does not "offer opportunity for all its students" and "leaves some kids behind" because of "achievement gaps." That's what you want in a school. Also, its's helpful how they break down test score statewide rankings by low income and not low income. I think a ratio of these two numbers, NLI/LI, with higher being better, is what you want.

    Back in the day you had to enlist the grandparents to drive over to the school and watch the kids coming out to get any sort of real data. The real estate agent wouldn't touch the topic for fear of losing her license. Anyone younger than grandparents and not in a male-female couple watching the school would be arrested. But grandparents could just tell the cops, "Our kids wanted us to check out the 'equity' and 'opportunity' at this school, officer; by the way, have you noticed any 'achievement gaps' in local crime?" and they would be left alone.

    Replies: @baked georgia, @mmack

  16. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!


    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”
     
    Truth hurts!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @J.Ross, @guest, @Redneck farmer

    “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”

    Well, it’s certainly quieter.

    • LOL: TelfoedJohn
  17. Gentrification always struck me as a natural Big Data Ap. Anybody know of a good website for scouting out trending neighborhoods.

    Spotting the changing neighborhoods is only the first (and probably the easiest) part. The tricky part is probably figuring out the right time to buy/sell.

    When does the percentage of gentrifying whites hit critical mass? And do the prices shoot up all at once when people realize which way the neighborhood is going? Or is it a steady process in which prices slowly rise in proportion to the increasing White population?

    And finally, how come gentrification articles in the NYT never include a quote from a PoC homeowner to the effect of: “Woo-hoo, bring on the white people, cuz I’m gonna make a fortune flipping my house and then retire to Florida.”

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Hypnotoad666

    Gentrification is now reported on solely from the viewpoint of the "marginalized" and "underserved" residents who want their neighborhood to stay cheap and crappy, not the people who would like to see new jobs, stores, trees and other markers of privilege.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

  18. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!


    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”
     
    Truth hurts!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @J.Ross, @guest, @Redneck farmer

    She’s got a point there: whites haven’t been cannibals since Rome was expanding. Black bodies are not as interesting or valued by whites because of the bigoted ideas of white people regarding what constitutes edible food.

  19. To expand their market past the narrow top 20% of dual-high-earner parents in above-firing, absenteeism-friendly jobs, perhaps, they should make an app for renters. Renters are much more plentiful.

    Non-womb-productive renters in non-crony jobs must locate apartment complexes that don’t gulp down over half of their one earned-only income stream, particularly the single renters, a larger group than the gentrifying dual-earner parents.

    The house-buying parents-with-kids-under-18 group is the only group that politicians or businesspeople concern themselves with except maybe the party*party college students who will soon be crony-parent dual earners, yet families with kids under 18 constitute only about 28% of the population in many cities. Most of them cannot afford a house, either.

    Single renters need to know about the crime stats more than dual-high-earner parents. When two youngish adults occupy an expensive house, it is a much safer setup all around. It is the single apartment dwellers, living alone and often paying through the nose for miserable, loud living conditions, who are in the most danger.

    They need to know which butt-ugly, one-room apartment provides a little less dangerous and a little less tiresome setting. They need to know what type of neighbors will surround them during their time away from work, especially since any one-room apartment that takes over half of a single earner’s income has paper-thin walls if it is even close to affordable.

    They need to know how brightly lit the parking lot is and how many spaces close to the building are available. How safe is the surrounding area to walk in at night, particularly since it is the single, childless people who get to work the bad hours so that above-firing mommas can leave work early.

    Single non womb producers just have the low pay from churn jobs, with no refundable child tax credits up to $6,431, monthly welfare, rent-covering child support or spousal income boosting up their earnings, so they need to know about rent uphikes.

  20. Real estate people are like actuaries. They have no truck with vision boards or diversification pieties.

  21. @baked georgia
    complaining about "gentrification" is the highest possible white guilty.

    obvious that the owners of the media that are pushing this agenda arent gentrifying nothing, their neighborhoods are wealthy for generations

    Replies: @guest, @Ed, @Louis Renault

    They used to complain about white-on-white gentrification. For instance, in this song from the early-90s that has some funny lyrics about Trump:

  22. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!


    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”
     
    Truth hurts!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @J.Ross, @guest, @Redneck farmer

    For a second, I thought they were talking about cadavers, with the literally.

  23. Anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous55uu
    Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff

    Replies: @Anon

    Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff

    It’s funny how these sites conceal the good stuff just enough that you need a 95 IQ to find it, and then when you find it, you need a 95 IQ to translate the CYA phrasing of everything. For instance, a low “equity” rating means it’s a more desirable school, because it does not “offer opportunity for all its students” and “leaves some kids behind” because of “achievement gaps.” That’s what you want in a school. Also, its’s helpful how they break down test score statewide rankings by low income and not low income. I think a ratio of these two numbers, NLI/LI, with higher being better, is what you want.

    Back in the day you had to enlist the grandparents to drive over to the school and watch the kids coming out to get any sort of real data. The real estate agent wouldn’t touch the topic for fear of losing her license. Anyone younger than grandparents and not in a male-female couple watching the school would be arrested. But grandparents could just tell the cops, “Our kids wanted us to check out the ‘equity’ and ‘opportunity’ at this school, officer; by the way, have you noticed any ‘achievement gaps’ in local crime?” and they would be left alone.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @baked georgia
    @Anon

    one thing about niche.com and other similar websites is that they use "diversity" in their ratings.

    yes, if the school is too white they wont give a good rating. this dont matter if the school is in rural new hampshire or something. this is one of the reasons why those prep rural schools have the same demographics as the ivy league

    , @mmack
    @Anon

    Your post reminds me of a story our first realtor (a personal friend and business partner of my wife who alas, could not close any deals on our house) told us about a customer who looked at our house in the Southwest suburbs of Chicagoland.

    The couple was Indian, and was looking for a home big enough for them, their children, and an in-law (someone’s father). They liked our house and at one point the husband asks our realtor “So, what’s the neighborhood like?”
    The realtor answers “I think you’ll find it a nice, quiet neighborhood.”
    He then asks “So, what are the neighbors like?”
    The realtor answers “They’re nice people with families. You’ll find out more about them when you move in.”
    Finally the husband asks, almost soto voce, “I meant, are there any of those people living around here?”
    The realtor was taken aback and answered “You know, you really have to look at the neighborhood yourself to see the people who live here.”

    My next door neighbors were African American. It would have blown his mind. They did not buy our house.

  24. @Anon
    @Anonymous55uu


    Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff
     
    It's funny how these sites conceal the good stuff just enough that you need a 95 IQ to find it, and then when you find it, you need a 95 IQ to translate the CYA phrasing of everything. For instance, a low "equity" rating means it's a more desirable school, because it does not "offer opportunity for all its students" and "leaves some kids behind" because of "achievement gaps." That's what you want in a school. Also, its's helpful how they break down test score statewide rankings by low income and not low income. I think a ratio of these two numbers, NLI/LI, with higher being better, is what you want.

    Back in the day you had to enlist the grandparents to drive over to the school and watch the kids coming out to get any sort of real data. The real estate agent wouldn't touch the topic for fear of losing her license. Anyone younger than grandparents and not in a male-female couple watching the school would be arrested. But grandparents could just tell the cops, "Our kids wanted us to check out the 'equity' and 'opportunity' at this school, officer; by the way, have you noticed any 'achievement gaps' in local crime?" and they would be left alone.

    Replies: @baked georgia, @mmack

    one thing about niche.com and other similar websites is that they use “diversity” in their ratings.

    yes, if the school is too white they wont give a good rating. this dont matter if the school is in rural new hampshire or something. this is one of the reasons why those prep rural schools have the same demographics as the ivy league

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe, Averaged


    A handy one is “%age of students receiving free lunch”

     

    Hubert Humphrey argued that subsidized school lunches should not be subject to means testing. In other words, indeed, in his own words, even for the kid with a five-dollar bill in his pocket. (That would be about $30 today.)

    Replies: @Anon, @South Texas Guy

    If a school is at a certain threshold, it can give away free lunches to all students. Both of the schools I worked at did this. I’m just guessing, but I think it is/was something like 80 percent.

    My mother is a retired teacher, and she said she remembers in the early 70s having to talk kids into taking their free lunches because charity was embarrassing. My how times have changed.

  26. Nationwide, the arrival of white homeowners in places they’ve long avoided is jolting the economics of the land beneath everyone.

    The Aliens have landed.

    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”

    Yup. Aliens. Possibly “Phase IV” gentrification ants. Normal words fail, only the cryptic discourse about “bodies”, colored or otherwise, “spaces” and “occupation” can account for the weirdness.

    In a country still learning to forge neighborhoods that are racially diverse and durably so, those yellow tracts appear to be on a path that is particularly unstable.

    One could surround the white neighborhoods with a Separating Holocaust Memorial Strip. An impassable stony/brutalist hellscape making for clear separation and good neighbours.

  27. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Ooh ooh they even mentioned black bodies!!!


    Some of that change can be positive, she said. This realization was not: “Our black bodies literally have less economic value than the body of a white person,” she said. “As soon as a white body moves into the same space that I occupied, all of a sudden this place is more valuable.”
     
    Truth hurts!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @J.Ross, @guest, @Redneck farmer

    The Tragedy Of The 13th Amendment.

  28. In Chicago, why hasn’t all the black beachfront been taken? Or is that where the middle and upper class black people live?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Redneck farmer

    A lot of it is black middle class.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redneck farmer

  29. Ed says:
    @baked georgia
    complaining about "gentrification" is the highest possible white guilty.

    obvious that the owners of the media that are pushing this agenda arent gentrifying nothing, their neighborhoods are wealthy for generations

    Replies: @guest, @Ed, @Louis Renault

    I don’t know I think this is up there in terms of white guilt:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/magazine/was-i-right-to-call-the-cops-on-a-black-man-breaking-into-a-car.html
    Was I Right to Call the Cops on a Black Man Breaking Into a Car?

    Recently, I witnessed a young black male cut across my yard, duck between my neighbors’ two cars and try the doors of both, before “breaking” into the unlocked one. I opened my back door and yelled, “I see you getting into that car!” He took off running. I called the police and then posted to the (admittedly sometimes racially charged) Nextdoor app, in the hopes that my neighbors would check the locks on their cars and homes.

    Break-ins are fairly common in my neighborhood, and this isn’t the first time that I’ve witnessed what appeared to be a theft and called the police. It was, however, the first time I was certain the suspicious person was a black man. I immediately felt a pang of guilt for calling the police and haven’t been able to stop thinking about it, given the tragic way things too often end between police and people of color.

    I feel an obligation to my family and my neighbors to report crimes. But I’d rather have my car broken into than have a person’s life ruined by my 911 call. And honestly, I don’t even know if it’s a crime to open someone’s unlocked vehicle.

    If the incident had been a forced entry or violent in any way, I would feel less torn about having called the police. And really, people should know better than to leave their cars unlocked. I sincerely hope the young man wasn’t apprehended but instead was just scared off and won’t lurk around my home again. But what if he had been arrested? I also shudder to think how many young black men vaguely matching his description were harassed by officers after my call.

    Did I do the right thing by calling the police? Or am I bordering here on behaving like BBQ Becky — the white woman in California who called the police on a group of black people having a barbecue? Name Withheld, Missouri

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Ed

    If I thought "name withheld" was a real person rather than a typical journalistic fiction, I'd want to see her strung up.

  30. Also useful for those with kids – greatschools.org. They have an ‘equity’ rating section that tells you what percentage of students are low income, the racial breakdown, and state test results by race as well.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Arclight

    Yes, Greatschools is my go-to source too. The most comprehensive stats on things like scores and demographics are available only for public schools, but Greatschools does at least list the private schools and their populations, which is helpful.

    Replies: @Benjaminl

  31. @baked georgia
    I think what can explain de-suburbanization is that many suburbs are "diverse" right now. so if you can't ran away, why having a 2 hour commute?

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Yes and all but the most “exclusive” suburbs are being trashed as we speak.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @HammerJack

    I don't think this is the case.

    That being said, I'd consider the Latins the reverse vanguard of the gays - if the Latins are moving into your suburban 'hood, renting your condos w/ 6 people under one roof, that's not particularly good.

  32. @Ed
    @baked georgia

    I don’t know I think this is up there in terms of white guilt:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/magazine/was-i-right-to-call-the-cops-on-a-black-man-breaking-into-a-car.html
    Was I Right to Call the Cops on a Black Man Breaking Into a Car?


    Recently, I witnessed a young black male cut across my yard, duck between my neighbors’ two cars and try the doors of both, before “breaking” into the unlocked one. I opened my back door and yelled, “I see you getting into that car!” He took off running. I called the police and then posted to the (admittedly sometimes racially charged) Nextdoor app, in the hopes that my neighbors would check the locks on their cars and homes.

    Break-ins are fairly common in my neighborhood, and this isn’t the first time that I’ve witnessed what appeared to be a theft and called the police. It was, however, the first time I was certain the suspicious person was a black man. I immediately felt a pang of guilt for calling the police and haven’t been able to stop thinking about it, given the tragic way things too often end between police and people of color.

    I feel an obligation to my family and my neighbors to report crimes. But I’d rather have my car broken into than have a person’s life ruined by my 911 call. And honestly, I don’t even know if it’s a crime to open someone’s unlocked vehicle.

    If the incident had been a forced entry or violent in any way, I would feel less torn about having called the police. And really, people should know better than to leave their cars unlocked. I sincerely hope the young man wasn’t apprehended but instead was just scared off and won’t lurk around my home again. But what if he had been arrested? I also shudder to think how many young black men vaguely matching his description were harassed by officers after my call.

    Did I do the right thing by calling the police? Or am I bordering here on behaving like BBQ Becky — the white woman in California who called the police on a group of black people having a barbecue? Name Withheld, Missouri
     

    Replies: @HammerJack

    If I thought “name withheld” was a real person rather than a typical journalistic fiction, I’d want to see her strung up.

  33. Funny how “Concern Porn” can be openly published about Whites moving into Black neighborhoods, but it is “Racism” when Whites express any concern about Blacks moving into White neighborhoods.

    The great thing about what the Times is doing it that their maps can now be used by us “Racists” to make our strategic moves.

    Note also how Malibu hasn’t changed at all — because it is all “Concerned” Whites. (Okay, okay, maybe some rich, famous black actor lives there, but he would of course be properly “Concerned” too.)

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Indeed. Coming soon to a theatre near you-- an apocalyptic Hollywood thriller starring Jane Fonda and Rob Reiner-- Sea of Blue. produced and directed by Steve Levitan

  34. This would be a good tool for house flippers. There is all this concern for POC being squeezed out of their neighborhoods. But, I worked with a Mexican guy who was able to go to college because the house his parents bought on Chicago’s North Side for $25000 in the early 80’s, was sold for $500000 around 2001.

  35. I checked out St. Louis.

    The whitening census tracts are either gays in Midtown, or Wash. U. spillover.

  36. @Buzz Mohawk
    Funny how "Concern Porn" can be openly published about Whites moving into Black neighborhoods, but it is "Racism" when Whites express any concern about Blacks moving into White neighborhoods.

    The great thing about what the Times is doing it that their maps can now be used by us "Racists" to make our strategic moves.

    Note also how Malibu hasn't changed at all -- because it is all "Concerned" Whites. (Okay, okay, maybe some rich, famous black actor lives there, but he would of course be properly "Concerned" too.)

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Indeed. Coming soon to a theatre near you– an apocalyptic Hollywood thriller starring Jane Fonda and Rob Reiner– Sea of Blue. produced and directed by Steve Levitan

  37. @Anon
    @Anonymous55uu


    Niche.com actually has quite a bit of detailed information but for a particular neighbourhood or school you need to click beyond the first page of data using a button “show me more etc” to get the good stuff
     
    It's funny how these sites conceal the good stuff just enough that you need a 95 IQ to find it, and then when you find it, you need a 95 IQ to translate the CYA phrasing of everything. For instance, a low "equity" rating means it's a more desirable school, because it does not "offer opportunity for all its students" and "leaves some kids behind" because of "achievement gaps." That's what you want in a school. Also, its's helpful how they break down test score statewide rankings by low income and not low income. I think a ratio of these two numbers, NLI/LI, with higher being better, is what you want.

    Back in the day you had to enlist the grandparents to drive over to the school and watch the kids coming out to get any sort of real data. The real estate agent wouldn't touch the topic for fear of losing her license. Anyone younger than grandparents and not in a male-female couple watching the school would be arrested. But grandparents could just tell the cops, "Our kids wanted us to check out the 'equity' and 'opportunity' at this school, officer; by the way, have you noticed any 'achievement gaps' in local crime?" and they would be left alone.

    Replies: @baked georgia, @mmack

    Your post reminds me of a story our first realtor (a personal friend and business partner of my wife who alas, could not close any deals on our house) told us about a customer who looked at our house in the Southwest suburbs of Chicagoland.

    The couple was Indian, and was looking for a home big enough for them, their children, and an in-law (someone’s father). They liked our house and at one point the husband asks our realtor “So, what’s the neighborhood like?”
    The realtor answers “I think you’ll find it a nice, quiet neighborhood.”
    He then asks “So, what are the neighbors like?”
    The realtor answers “They’re nice people with families. You’ll find out more about them when you move in.”
    Finally the husband asks, almost soto voce, “I meant, are there any of those people living around here?”
    The realtor was taken aback and answered “You know, you really have to look at the neighborhood yourself to see the people who live here.”

    My next door neighbors were African American. It would have blown his mind. They did not buy our house.

  38. @Hypnotoad666

    Gentrification always struck me as a natural Big Data Ap. Anybody know of a good website for scouting out trending neighborhoods.
     
    Spotting the changing neighborhoods is only the first (and probably the easiest) part. The tricky part is probably figuring out the right time to buy/sell.

    When does the percentage of gentrifying whites hit critical mass? And do the prices shoot up all at once when people realize which way the neighborhood is going? Or is it a steady process in which prices slowly rise in proportion to the increasing White population?

    And finally, how come gentrification articles in the NYT never include a quote from a PoC homeowner to the effect of: "Woo-hoo, bring on the white people, cuz I'm gonna make a fortune flipping my house and then retire to Florida."

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Gentrification is now reported on solely from the viewpoint of the “marginalized” and “underserved” residents who want their neighborhood to stay cheap and crappy, not the people who would like to see new jobs, stores, trees and other markers of privilege.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @Known Fact

    Tribalism uber alles; or at least what goes on the record.

    The extra money, the extra conveniences, lower crime - they mean nothing unless it's "justice for just us" (at least publicly, or at least the part transcribed by the NYT reporter)

  39. Many years ago I had a Dominicana girlfriend who lived in the vicinity of some of those salmon-coloured squares in upper Manhattan, and she discouraged me from seeing her home for fear that I wouldn’t make it out alive. The times, they are a’changing.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @The Alarmist

    Dominican girlfriend and still alive?

  40. I wonder if these maps are shown by percentage or actual numbers? Chicago lost about 200000 blacks in the last 10 years or so. So if the white population of the Chicago neighborhoods shown to be more white stayed the same, then some of neighborhoods would be “more white” without any more whites necessarily moving in.

  41. @Joe, Averaged
    A handy one is "%age of students receiving free lunch"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Forbes

    I wonder how long before GreatSchools.com gets woke and starts omitting all racial data? Or maybe they’re smart enough to know they would likely go out of business without it.

  42. @Joe, Averaged
    A handy one is "%age of students receiving free lunch"

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Forbes

    Many schools provide free lunch for all students so as not to stigmatize the needier students receiving the subsidy. (And the prog-left premise of all student being equal.)

    The law of unintended consequences rears its head…

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Forbes

    Forbes, all students in Buffalo qualify, whether they do or not.

  43. A couple observations on Manhattan…

    The Upper East Side above 96th St is getting whiter–E. 96th St., is the nominal border between the UES and Spanish (East) Harlem. This is merely the natural extension of the UES further north as the city became livable due to the dramatic reduction in crime. For a period in the late ’90s until about 2004, I parked a car in one of several surface parking lot off E. 97th St. Those vacant lots have now been developed into mid-rise apartment blocks, yuppified with Starbucks and chain drug stores.

    Central Harlem is also becoming whiter for the same reason–low crime rates makes it possible to consider neighborhoods formerly off-limits. And the same influx of Starbucks and other national chains means neighborhood retail services exist in formerly barren neighborhoods. I believe as recently as 1960, 95% of all blacks in Manhattan lived in Harlem–so it could hardly change except to get whiter.

    The map also shows the UES getting non-Whiter. Similarly, it could hardly do otherwise.

  44. @Cato
    You can do all of this data analysis on your own, for free. Use the American Community Survey blockgroup-level demographic and housing data, get the shapefiles from the Census Tiger Line Files, and look for any data related to crime from your local government open data sites. Use QGIS to visualize your data. There are clear markers for the emerging areas of gentrification. I've found a few, and you can probably find some too.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Wow, that sure was helpful.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    Hahahaa! Yeah, what was the middle thing (about the shapefiles) again?

    (Could not find a youtube clip of a perfect scene of Kevin Kline from A Fish Called Wanda, dammit.)

    , @Known Fact
    @International Jew

    Census Tiger? Is he like Crime Dog McGriff?

  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Magic tissue/ tragic tissue.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Sorry! I meant to press LOL, not Troll!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    No problem, but you could have doxxed me there. People are gonna know I live under a bridge now. It's good for blogging as the box-beam structure tends to magnify my wifi.

  46. @Arclight
    Also useful for those with kids - greatschools.org. They have an 'equity' rating section that tells you what percentage of students are low income, the racial breakdown, and state test results by race as well.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Yes, Greatschools is my go-to source too. The most comprehensive stats on things like scores and demographics are available only for public schools, but Greatschools does at least list the private schools and their populations, which is helpful.

    • Replies: @Benjaminl
    @International Jew

    I like Schooldigger. (Greatschools may have this too but) Schooldigger provides handy bar charts that make it very easy to track the progress of segregation and desegregation over time.

    Let's look at elementary schools in Brooklyn, epicenter of Goodwhite Gentrification, from 1989 to 2017:

    PS 58 (Carroll Gardens): from 57 to 73 percent white students
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202251/school.aspx

    PS 29 (Cobble Hill): from 53 to 74 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202139/school.aspx

    PS 34 (Greenpoint): from 47 to 75 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0011902156/school.aspx

    PS 39 (Park Slope): from 35 to 76 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202175/school.aspx

    PS 321 (Park Slope): from 50 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202818/school.aspx

    PS 107 (Park Slope): from 35 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202403/school.aspx

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  47. Are we sure, these area’s that are whitening really whitening?

    One problem with our census data is that since we don’t have proper “Mestizo” and “Mulatto” racial categories a good number of Hispanics–particularly Mexican mestizos–list themselves as white. So an area transitioning from black to Mexican can look like it’s getting “whiter”. (Which of course it is, but not necessarily in the way people think.)

    Follow up edit: For this NYT story it appeas this is real “whitening”, they limited to Non-Hispanic white. But something to be careful of reading plain vanilla cenus data.

  48. @baked georgia
    complaining about "gentrification" is the highest possible white guilty.

    obvious that the owners of the media that are pushing this agenda arent gentrifying nothing, their neighborhoods are wealthy for generations

    Replies: @guest, @Ed, @Louis Renault

    Next seaon on Game of Homes: Whitey is Coming.

  49. @International Jew
    @Arclight

    Yes, Greatschools is my go-to source too. The most comprehensive stats on things like scores and demographics are available only for public schools, but Greatschools does at least list the private schools and their populations, which is helpful.

    Replies: @Benjaminl

    I like Schooldigger. (Greatschools may have this too but) Schooldigger provides handy bar charts that make it very easy to track the progress of segregation and desegregation over time.

    Let’s look at elementary schools in Brooklyn, epicenter of Goodwhite Gentrification, from 1989 to 2017:

    PS 58 (Carroll Gardens): from 57 to 73 percent white students
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202251/school.aspx

    PS 29 (Cobble Hill): from 53 to 74 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202139/school.aspx

    PS 34 (Greenpoint): from 47 to 75 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0011902156/school.aspx

    PS 39 (Park Slope): from 35 to 76 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202175/school.aspx

    PS 321 (Park Slope): from 50 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202818/school.aspx

    PS 107 (Park Slope): from 35 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202403/school.aspx

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Benjaminl

    Thanks, Ben, I was just going to add a comment about schooldigger, as my wife looked at that one. I guess the general point in this thread is that you don't have to have kids that age and care about schools to "care about schools" when you look for a place to live. Or, like the guy above wrote, get somebody's grandparents to drop by. If the cops bug them, they can say that they got lost on the way to the Early Bird Special cause gramps couldn't see over the dashboard of the 1970's land yacht.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  50. @Benjaminl
    @International Jew

    I like Schooldigger. (Greatschools may have this too but) Schooldigger provides handy bar charts that make it very easy to track the progress of segregation and desegregation over time.

    Let's look at elementary schools in Brooklyn, epicenter of Goodwhite Gentrification, from 1989 to 2017:

    PS 58 (Carroll Gardens): from 57 to 73 percent white students
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202251/school.aspx

    PS 29 (Cobble Hill): from 53 to 74 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202139/school.aspx

    PS 34 (Greenpoint): from 47 to 75 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0011902156/school.aspx

    PS 39 (Park Slope): from 35 to 76 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202175/school.aspx

    PS 321 (Park Slope): from 50 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202818/school.aspx

    PS 107 (Park Slope): from 35 to 77 percent white
    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0009202403/school.aspx

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks, Ben, I was just going to add a comment about schooldigger, as my wife looked at that one. I guess the general point in this thread is that you don’t have to have kids that age and care about schools to “care about schools” when you look for a place to live. Or, like the guy above wrote, get somebody’s grandparents to drop by. If the cops bug them, they can say that they got lost on the way to the Early Bird Special cause gramps couldn’t see over the dashboard of the 1970’s land yacht.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If we lived five blocks south, in a different high school district, our house would be worth a good 10% more.

  51. @International Jew
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry! I meant to press LOL, not Troll!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No problem, but you could have doxxed me there. People are gonna know I live under a bridge now. It’s good for blogging as the box-beam structure tends to magnify my wifi.

  52. @International Jew
    @Cato

    Wow, that sure was helpful.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Known Fact

    Hahahaa! Yeah, what was the middle thing (about the shapefiles) again?

    (Could not find a youtube clip of a perfect scene of Kevin Kline from A Fish Called Wanda, dammit.)

  53. @The Alarmist
    Many years ago I had a Dominicana girlfriend who lived in the vicinity of some of those salmon-coloured squares in upper Manhattan, and she discouraged me from seeing her home for fear that I wouldn't make it out alive. The times, they are a'changing.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Dominican girlfriend and still alive?

  54. @International Jew
    @Cato

    Wow, that sure was helpful.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Known Fact

    Census Tiger? Is he like Crime Dog McGriff?

  55. On a somewhat related note, there’s a guy on Twitter who goes by the handle @purehategraphs. He gets banned and re-emerges from time to time.

    If anyone can put together a predictive gentrification map for investors, this guy is it.

  56. I have several friends (white or “white Hispanic”) who just moved to Compton, which seems to be rapidly gentrifying. Great location. South LA has been mostly Hispanic for a while now, and not too violent, as all the older black residents have moved to Palmdale or Adelanto. Actually, a lot of the $500k houses in the area have been nicely remodeled.

    Beverley Hills, West Hollywood, Santa Monica . . . More non-white? Must be a function of all the Iranians and other Caucus-types deciding they’re not white.

  57. @Forbes
    @Joe, Averaged

    Many schools provide free lunch for all students so as not to stigmatize the needier students receiving the subsidy. (And the prog-left premise of all student being equal.)

    The law of unintended consequences rears its head...

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Forbes, all students in Buffalo qualify, whether they do or not.

  58. Who knew that some day blacks would look at a white family moving into the hood and say..”There goes the neighborhood.”

    • LOL: Dtbb
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Buffalo Joe

    The six most frightening words in the English language: Hello there, I’m your new neighbor?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  59. (admittedly sometimes racially charged) Nextdoor app

    So, I go to google and type into the search bar:

    Are my neighbors posting racist shit about me on nextdoor.com?

    This was the top of the search results:

    Racial Profiling Via Nextdoor.com Sam Levin Oct 7, 2015 East Bay Express
    https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/racial-profiling-via-nextdoorcom/Content?oid=4526919

  60. Returning to this to focus on the self-loathing goodwhites:

    “What I didn’t want to do is move to a neighborhood where all the kids look exactly the same as my kids,” said Mr. Queen, who is white. “I didn’t think that was the right thing to do.”

    Andrew and Kelly Hudgins, a white couple, purchased one of those homes in 2017 in South Park. They looked at a racial dot map of Raleigh when they first moved to the area. They knew they wanted to be where the white dots didn’t dominate, but they worried about furthering gentrification themselves.

    To me, these quotes sound like something a cult member or mentally ill person would say.

    I wonder if these people will rejoice in a white-dot free neighborhood when they have multiple innocent teen daughters on the cusp of womanhood….

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    To me, these quotes sound like something a cult member or mentally ill person would say.
     
    It's interesting you mentioned cults, as Peak Stupidity just posted a series on drinking the Kool-Aid, just over 40 years ago.

    Jonestown, Guyana could have really used a couple like Andrew and Kelly Hudgins. It sounds like they've been sipping the Kool-Aid (actually, it was Flavor-Aid, as Communists never end up with a lot of extra money for the good stuff).

    The mass suicide/massacre at the Jim Jone's Communist work camp in the steamy jungle in Guyana, S. America happened 40 1/2 years back. I don't recall the anniversary of it being much noted. Read about Drinking the Communist Kool-Aid 40 years back and Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4 (on the media take at the time).

    Replies: @DCThrowback

  61. Many big cities have done remarkably well with the gentrification wave of the past 25 years. One thing that should be interesting to watch (but less to live through) in coming years is how competitive cities are going to get for the dwindling percentage of young, educated whites who have their act together.

    As a corollary, at some point do middle-class people start to see mortgages in less-than-whitopia areas as unduly risky? If you have a toddler, and want to buy a house to live in through the kid graduating high school, what is the chance that, in a rapidly diversifying country, your neighborhood won’t end up on the business end of vibrancy before then?

    In the long run, the currently-discredited Creative Class argument by Richard Florida may end up being before its time.

  62. The neighborhoods in the NYC area that are getting less white in that map are mostly areas where Chinese are moving to. Southern Brooklyn, Eastern Queens. No doubt, Asians are the reason why areas of Manhattan are getting less white. Not many blacks or Hispanics are moving into lower Manhattan, for sure.

    I was looking at census data for NYC suburbs. Many suburban towns around the city that were 80-90% white in the 2000 census were only 60-70% white in the 2010 census. That’s from Indians, Chinese, Koreans and some better off Hispanics moving in. No blacks or Hispanic immigrants are moving into those areas at all.

    The poor blacks and Hispanics from NYC are moving to Upstate NY and Pennsylvania as newer immigrants move into their old neighborhoods. NYC suburbs are way too expensive for them.

  63. A part of Maywood getting whiter? Hard to believe, You’d have to be a very hardy urban pioneer to venture into Maywood. And for what? Kenwood I can see, Or the northern edge of Woodlawn. I’ll have to look into that.

  64. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is an illegal map, Steve, per the new hate-map laws. Geography is racissst! Spatially-distributed displays of data are tools of the patriarchy.

    I like that spot just south of Giardia Field, though.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Tiny, is that you masquerading as our Achmed?

  65. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Benjaminl

    Thanks, Ben, I was just going to add a comment about schooldigger, as my wife looked at that one. I guess the general point in this thread is that you don't have to have kids that age and care about schools to "care about schools" when you look for a place to live. Or, like the guy above wrote, get somebody's grandparents to drop by. If the cops bug them, they can say that they got lost on the way to the Early Bird Special cause gramps couldn't see over the dashboard of the 1970's land yacht.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    If we lived five blocks south, in a different high school district, our house would be worth a good 10% more.

  66. @Redneck farmer
    In Chicago, why hasn't all the black beachfront been taken? Or is that where the middle and upper class black people live?

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    A lot of it is black middle class.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @MBlanc46

    You must mean artificial black middle class.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @MBlanc46

    Thanks.

  67. @Buffalo Joe
    Who knew that some day blacks would look at a white family moving into the hood and say.."There goes the neighborhood."

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    The six most frightening words in the English language: Hello there, I’m your new neighbor?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @MBlanc46

    How true, Mr. Blanc! I have one neighbor that's been there a long long time, and we've never gotten along, but I sure would rather she stay than, well, who knows?

  68. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Returning to this to focus on the self-loathing goodwhites:

    “What I didn’t want to do is move to a neighborhood where all the kids look exactly the same as my kids,” said Mr. Queen, who is white. “I didn’t think that was the right thing to do.”
     

    Andrew and Kelly Hudgins, a white couple, purchased one of those homes in 2017 in South Park. They looked at a racial dot map of Raleigh when they first moved to the area. They knew they wanted to be where the white dots didn’t dominate, but they worried about furthering gentrification themselves.
     
    To me, these quotes sound like something a cult member or mentally ill person would say.

    I wonder if these people will rejoice in a white-dot free neighborhood when they have multiple innocent teen daughters on the cusp of womanhood....

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    To me, these quotes sound like something a cult member or mentally ill person would say.

    It’s interesting you mentioned cults, as Peak Stupidity just posted a series on drinking the Kool-Aid, just over 40 years ago.

    Jonestown, Guyana could have really used a couple like Andrew and Kelly Hudgins. It sounds like they’ve been sipping the Kool-Aid (actually, it was Flavor-Aid, as Communists never end up with a lot of extra money for the good stuff).

    The mass suicide/massacre at the Jim Jone’s Communist work camp in the steamy jungle in Guyana, S. America happened 40 1/2 years back. I don’t recall the anniversary of it being much noted. Read about Drinking the Communist Kool-Aid 40 years back and Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4 (on the media take at the time).

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The victims of Jonestown were all black. Jones was CIA. CIA got revenge on a Congressman who was a real thorn in their side, Leo Ryan. Crazy shit to be sure, but if you view it as a large experiment, it was a p big success by our evil government overlords. Convincing blacks to turn over what assets they had to be part of a commune that exploited their free labor for political power in San Francisco - crazy stuff. (Jones' endorsement, money and labor was sought after by many of SF Democratic power elites.) Jones was a brilliant man who could sell snake oil to snakes. The CIA found him early preaching on street corners in, of all places, Dan Mitrione's hometown. Tabbed early on, as it were.

    "drinking the kool-aid" worked surprisingly well on the intended targets - blacks who formed the backbone of the organization - free labor that Jones used to leverage in SF for his own (and his all-white staff's) and, eventually, the CIA's ends.

    spinning it as a "crazy cult leader" and coalescing it around "the kool-aid" was brilliant (evil) shit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

  69. @MBlanc46
    @Buffalo Joe

    The six most frightening words in the English language: Hello there, I’m your new neighbor?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    How true, Mr. Blanc! I have one neighbor that’s been there a long long time, and we’ve never gotten along, but I sure would rather she stay than, well, who knows?

  70. @MBlanc46
    @Redneck farmer

    A lot of it is black middle class.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redneck farmer

    You must mean artificial black middle class.

  71. @MBlanc46
    @Redneck farmer

    A lot of it is black middle class.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redneck farmer

    Thanks.

  72. @HammerJack
    @baked georgia

    Yes and all but the most "exclusive" suburbs are being trashed as we speak.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

    I don’t think this is the case.

    That being said, I’d consider the Latins the reverse vanguard of the gays – if the Latins are moving into your suburban ‘hood, renting your condos w/ 6 people under one roof, that’s not particularly good.

  73. @Known Fact
    @Hypnotoad666

    Gentrification is now reported on solely from the viewpoint of the "marginalized" and "underserved" residents who want their neighborhood to stay cheap and crappy, not the people who would like to see new jobs, stores, trees and other markers of privilege.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

    Tribalism uber alles; or at least what goes on the record.

    The extra money, the extra conveniences, lower crime – they mean nothing unless it’s “justice for just us” (at least publicly, or at least the part transcribed by the NYT reporter)

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    To me, these quotes sound like something a cult member or mentally ill person would say.
     
    It's interesting you mentioned cults, as Peak Stupidity just posted a series on drinking the Kool-Aid, just over 40 years ago.

    Jonestown, Guyana could have really used a couple like Andrew and Kelly Hudgins. It sounds like they've been sipping the Kool-Aid (actually, it was Flavor-Aid, as Communists never end up with a lot of extra money for the good stuff).

    The mass suicide/massacre at the Jim Jone's Communist work camp in the steamy jungle in Guyana, S. America happened 40 1/2 years back. I don't recall the anniversary of it being much noted. Read about Drinking the Communist Kool-Aid 40 years back and Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4 (on the media take at the time).

    Replies: @DCThrowback

    The victims of Jonestown were all black. Jones was CIA. CIA got revenge on a Congressman who was a real thorn in their side, Leo Ryan. Crazy shit to be sure, but if you view it as a large experiment, it was a p big success by our evil government overlords. Convincing blacks to turn over what assets they had to be part of a commune that exploited their free labor for political power in San Francisco – crazy stuff. (Jones’ endorsement, money and labor was sought after by many of SF Democratic power elites.) Jones was a brilliant man who could sell snake oil to snakes. The CIA found him early preaching on street corners in, of all places, Dan Mitrione’s hometown. Tabbed early on, as it were.

    “drinking the kool-aid” worked surprisingly well on the intended targets – blacks who formed the backbone of the organization – free labor that Jones used to leverage in SF for his own (and his all-white staff’s) and, eventually, the CIA’s ends.

    spinning it as a “crazy cult leader” and coalescing it around “the kool-aid” was brilliant (evil) shit.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @DCThrowback

    Nah, they weren't all black, DC, but maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of them. The black people went for the Communism of Jim Jones not because they'd read Das Kapital and studied about the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. They were just a bunch of dumb-asses who hated "The Man" back home, and wanted to stick it to 'em. The white people were hard-core Commies, and believe it or not, there was money left over (most of this cash from the old people's SS checks!) to send to the USSR for "support" after everyone had drank the Flavor-Aid.

    I agree that Jones was one charismatic, convincing bullshitter, but I really don't see how all that would help the CIA. All that work down there in the jungle was just to try to survive as a commune (you know, in case the Social Security checks were to stop coming). It was another failed attempt at Communism, and when you've lived in the beautiful and temperate gay-bay area, but then end up working 6-day weeks in a steamy jungle at a Kommie work-Kamp, then perhaps drinking the Kool-Aid is the best way forward. It's not like you could just tweet your buddies to come get you.

    Jim Jones WAS a crazy cult leader, but not the usual pie-in-the-sky, free-LUV or the-world-will-end-shortly type. His cult was Communism. We can be very thankful that Jone's cult only affected 900-odd people (plus their kin), while the ones in Mao's China and Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin's USSR affected 100s of Millions.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @DCThrowback

    Oh, BTW, I'm not sure if you read the Peak Stupidity post on Leo Ryan, called "They (still) shoot congressmen, don't they?". Yes, you are right that Congressman Ryan was a thorn in the side of the CIA. Was that why Jones shot him? I think Jones was just a Commie nut, worried that the gig was up down there in Guyana, once people up in California (including relatives) knew what went on down there and that people wanted to get out.

    I also noticed you wrote about free labor in SF, not down in Guyana. My response was on what went on with the "People's Temple" down there.

    What would the CIA's "ends" be with all this, DC? Do you think that it was just to make Communism look bad? It really wouldn't take any work to do this at all, but then they do like to go around spending taxpayers' money to screw things up everywhere.

  75. @DCThrowback
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The victims of Jonestown were all black. Jones was CIA. CIA got revenge on a Congressman who was a real thorn in their side, Leo Ryan. Crazy shit to be sure, but if you view it as a large experiment, it was a p big success by our evil government overlords. Convincing blacks to turn over what assets they had to be part of a commune that exploited their free labor for political power in San Francisco - crazy stuff. (Jones' endorsement, money and labor was sought after by many of SF Democratic power elites.) Jones was a brilliant man who could sell snake oil to snakes. The CIA found him early preaching on street corners in, of all places, Dan Mitrione's hometown. Tabbed early on, as it were.

    "drinking the kool-aid" worked surprisingly well on the intended targets - blacks who formed the backbone of the organization - free labor that Jones used to leverage in SF for his own (and his all-white staff's) and, eventually, the CIA's ends.

    spinning it as a "crazy cult leader" and coalescing it around "the kool-aid" was brilliant (evil) shit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, they weren’t all black, DC, but maybe 1/2 to 2/3 of them. The black people went for the Communism of Jim Jones not because they’d read Das Kapital and studied about the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. They were just a bunch of dumb-asses who hated “The Man” back home, and wanted to stick it to ’em. The white people were hard-core Commies, and believe it or not, there was money left over (most of this cash from the old people’s SS checks!) to send to the USSR for “support” after everyone had drank the Flavor-Aid.

    I agree that Jones was one charismatic, convincing bullshitter, but I really don’t see how all that would help the CIA. All that work down there in the jungle was just to try to survive as a commune (you know, in case the Social Security checks were to stop coming). It was another failed attempt at Communism, and when you’ve lived in the beautiful and temperate gay-bay area, but then end up working 6-day weeks in a steamy jungle at a Kommie work-Kamp, then perhaps drinking the Kool-Aid is the best way forward. It’s not like you could just tweet your buddies to come get you.

    Jim Jones WAS a crazy cult leader, but not the usual pie-in-the-sky, free-LUV or the-world-will-end-shortly type. His cult was Communism. We can be very thankful that Jone’s cult only affected 900-odd people (plus their kin), while the ones in Mao’s China and Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin’s USSR affected 100s of Millions.

  76. @DCThrowback
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The victims of Jonestown were all black. Jones was CIA. CIA got revenge on a Congressman who was a real thorn in their side, Leo Ryan. Crazy shit to be sure, but if you view it as a large experiment, it was a p big success by our evil government overlords. Convincing blacks to turn over what assets they had to be part of a commune that exploited their free labor for political power in San Francisco - crazy stuff. (Jones' endorsement, money and labor was sought after by many of SF Democratic power elites.) Jones was a brilliant man who could sell snake oil to snakes. The CIA found him early preaching on street corners in, of all places, Dan Mitrione's hometown. Tabbed early on, as it were.

    "drinking the kool-aid" worked surprisingly well on the intended targets - blacks who formed the backbone of the organization - free labor that Jones used to leverage in SF for his own (and his all-white staff's) and, eventually, the CIA's ends.

    spinning it as a "crazy cult leader" and coalescing it around "the kool-aid" was brilliant (evil) shit.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh, BTW, I’m not sure if you read the Peak Stupidity post on Leo Ryan, called “They (still) shoot congressmen, don’t they?”. Yes, you are right that Congressman Ryan was a thorn in the side of the CIA. Was that why Jones shot him? I think Jones was just a Commie nut, worried that the gig was up down there in Guyana, once people up in California (including relatives) knew what went on down there and that people wanted to get out.

    I also noticed you wrote about free labor in SF, not down in Guyana. My response was on what went on with the “People’s Temple” down there.

    What would the CIA’s “ends” be with all this, DC? Do you think that it was just to make Communism look bad? It really wouldn’t take any work to do this at all, but then they do like to go around spending taxpayers’ money to screw things up everywhere.

  77. Orange County had little genfrication except in Costa Mesa. It still pretty Mexican in Costa Mesa about 35 percent.. The interesting thing is the US Census stated, Chicago, New York City, and LA lost population 2 years in a roll.

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