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Sanders beat Clinton narrowly in Michigan in 2016, so Biden’s sizable victory there in 2020 sounds bad for Sanders’ hopes.

Joe Biden is basically the solution for the Democrats’ Coalition of the Fringes problem: older blacks love him for being Obama’s deferential VP, and moderate whites like him too.

Bernie’s problem was that:

– Biden proved electorally stronger than expected (as recently as two weeks ago).

– The rest of the field proved worse than expected.

In 2020, the Coalition of the Fringes activity has gotten kicked down to the Veep quest. The most unifying pick for the Democrats for VP would likely be Ohio senator Sherrod Brown, who is in-between Biden and Sanders ideologically but still manages to get elected in somewhat Republican Ohio. He has kind of a black-sounding name in Sherrod Brown, but he’s a straight white male, so he’s out.

The front-runner for Veep appears to be Kamala Harris, more on the basis of her 23AndMe DNA test than on the basis of her dismal run for President, in which she dropped out even before Iowa. On the bright side, there are a lot more good Willie Brown anecdotes to dust off if Kamala is back in the news.

In second is Amy Klobuchar who at least made it through the first few weeks of voting before dropping out, then wokester Stacey Abrams.

Here’s PredictIt’s betting line:

 
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  1. How could anyone take Stacey Abrams seriously as Biden’s VP? She has no experience or qualifications that suggest she’d be able to take over as president should Biden not be able to fulfill his duties, which seems increasingly likely.

  2. Lot says:

    I have small bets on Stacy Abrams and Sherrod Brown.

    Biden isn’t dumb enough to pick barrenwomb ballbreaker married boss bangin’ Kamala. The prickly easily offended WOC we all walk on egg shells around.

    So I shorted her for Dem Nom, and I am shorting her again for VP.

    I also shorted Nina Turner when she was 2nd.

    • Thanks: petit bourgeois
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Bugg
  3. J Adelman says:

    Drumpf will lose. That’s for sure.
    It will take just one more Synagogue shooting and a few more Hispanic and Asian votes in Florida, Arizona, Midwest and North Carolina.
    But, we will win this time.
    I know many Asian women especially Indians (my wife and daughters are the ones), who have an intense hatred for Donnie and this time they will all come out and vote in large numbers.
    It’s payback time, CONSERVATIVES.

    • LOL: Precious
  4. Didn’t Kamala Harris call Biden a racist because he opposed school busing?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  5. Andy says:

    Given Biden’s age and senility, the possibility of Biden’s VP choice becoming president if Joe is elected is almost a certainty. And a president Kamala is too horrible a possibility to contemplate

  6. Biden may not survive another brain aneurysm, stroke or coronary event before November.

    The corporatist / donor party Dems (true Fascism, with a capital “F”), are lining up behind a senile old man beholden to the grifter state, Delaware.

    They borrow money at 0%, and charge you 21%, with tax incentives. I get it Joe.

    But Bernie is worse than the chinese coronavirus.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  7. The only thing that I can think about that Veep list is….

    “…the horror….the horror…”

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  8. Lot says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Stacy’s a long shot, but case for her:

    Nearly won statewide on Georgia.

    Oprah loves her, and she has a 2nd rate Oprah vibe herself

    Went to Yale

    Smart and ambitious enough to avoid radical black politics. No far left paper trail.

    Geographic, gender, and racial balance

    Actual Heritage Black American

    A big negative: she mismanaged and possibly even bezzled a voter registration charity.

  9. If it’s Harris I think it’s 50-50 Trump calls her a skank ho on twitter just so all of progressivism will stroke out when they read it. And hear it. And see it repeated on their television sets.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  10. @North Carolina Resident

    That and more. She single-handedly knocked him out of the race, like Liz did with Bloomberg. However Authentic Blackness had its say in SC and Biden staged a comeback like the zombie he truly is.

    Despite the notion that ‘payback’ requires him to choose a negro, it’s not as if the negro vote is going over to Trump. So he has little to nothing to gain by doing so. A woman, however, is a foregone conclusion. I hope it’s Amy because she’s slightly less psycho than most of the others. And there’s a real chance that this veep might ascend the throne.

    Separately–this Julián Castro. Judging from his photo, a tranny? F2M?

    • Agree: bomag
  11. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Bernie had a plan to win the nomination with 30-35% of the vote, but he is instead losing with 30-35% of the vote.

    That was how Trump won the GOP nomination. The other GOP candidates stayed in long enough to split the non-Trump vote and allow Trump to win. The Dems might have learned from that and thus pressured everyone to drop out right before Super Tuesday to consolidate around Biden.

    Also Bernie was much more competitive in 2016 because he was facing Hillary, one of the most well known and hated public figures in America, someone who had been demonized for 30 years. Whereas Biden is someone who’s mostly flown under the radar around most the country being from a small state while still having name recognition. Biden doesn’t inspire strong feelings, vitriol, and hatred like Hillary does. Most normies and Boomers, even those who disagree with or dislike Biden, seem to regard him as like a harmless uncle or grandpa. I think he reminds a lot of Boomers of their class president from high school.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Coemgen
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @hhsiii
  12. @Lot

    What evidence is there she’s smart? Going to a good school as a minority admit means little.

    I will say one thing: she’s fat enough to pass for Roxane Gay.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSd2gaGCw9wG2Kpk66zSzXEsspd9Kha7tR0VGKdXkb-aRy8BueF

    A big negative: she mismanaged and possibly even bezzled a voter registration charity.

    If she were white, that would be a big negative. Disqualifying, if she were a white male.

  13. @Lot

    The bezzeled a charity part will make her popular with Democrats.

  14. @Lot

    Biden: “My dad didn’t have a lot of money, but he ran the largest Chevrolet dealership in the state.”

    Ever the politician. Rich doesn’t sell so well, esp to Democrats. Not a lot of money? Dealership franchises are unbelievably lucrative, and Chevrolet was the biggest-selling car in America at the time.

    Neat car though. Biden is relatively coherent and almost likeable in that vid–I can almost see why you like him so much. Campaign should use this as a commercial. This isn’t a commercial is it?

    What year was that? And who was it in the new Vette?

  15. The Black vote went almost unanimously for Biden.

    Who gives Black voters their marching orders? I’ve heard for years that they do whatever their preachers and local Dem officials tell them to do. This is yet another example that bears out the claim.

    Why doesn’t anyone talk about it?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Realist
  16. @Lot

    That’s it. I’m voting for Joe. To hell with everything.

    • LOL: hhsiii
    • Replies: @Kronos
  17. Sanders still has a debate coming up; he has the option of humiliating Biden.

    Sanders has a choice; he can be a nice guy — or he can win the nomination.

  18. Boethiuss says:

    Joe Biden is basically the solution for the Democrats’ Coalition of the Fringes problem: older blacks love him for being Obama’s deferential VP, and moderate whites like him too.

    Not just that, but it’s also the Democrats’ first ever to my mind real fundamental concession to the idea that President Trump is actually a thing instead of just the Emmanuel Goldstein of their Two Minute Hate. That is, by choosing Biden over Bernie, the Democrats are going to fight this election over middle-aged, older and black voters instead of youth and Latins where Bernie does well, ie voters who vote instead of voters who don’t vote.

    I’m afraid that’s going to have bad consequences for Trump as well as GOP downticket candidates as well.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @MBlanc46
  19. Michigan was always a stretch for Bernie. His win in 2016 was an upset and polling this year suggested he was behind by a fair-sized margin.

    The shocking result is Washington. Sanders won that state in 2016 against Hillary by three to one. He’s essentially in a tie with Biden right now with 67% of the vote counted.

  20. MBlanc46 says:

    Well, folks, get ready to say “P-P-P-P-President Biden!” And, surely, the VP nomination must be a woman of col0r. As horrid as the prospect of Harris is, Abrams is an order of magnitude worse. There’s a better than even chance that in about ten months one of them will be “a heartbeat from the presidency”.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  21. anon[309] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Why doesn’t anyone talk about it?

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  22. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Is the country ready for a porker?

  23. @Mr McKenna

    Just a suggestion: You need to stop posting pictures of the most vile creature in Georgia right now, please.

    You are ruining the current political discourse. Exactly how will you deal with that beast?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  24. Anonymous[205] • Disclaimer says:

    This is a year like 1984. Or 1996 or 2012 etc.

    1/ The opposition offers up midgets/weaklings.

    2/ The incumbent gets elected.

    3/ End of story.

    (The media does everything its power to make the story as complicated as possible to generate more $$$)

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Anon
  25. @Mr McKenna

    That’s Colin Powell in the (then) new one, I believe. Biden’s is a ’67, which is cool. That design might be the last time a Corvette was cool. Maybe the only time. I think Duntov had something to do with that. (I’m being harsh and flippant here, and half serious.)

    I agree completely with what you said about Joe’s BS regarding his Dad not having money but owning the largest Chevy dealership. Joe clearly grew up lucky and glided right into his schooling and career. He strikes me as a lot like a legacy doofus, even though he is not old money.

  26. @Colin Wright

    Some establishment Dems are already talking about canceling the remaining debates.

    And when Sanders had a choice in 2016 between going after Hillary or being a nice guy, he chose being a nice guy. Bernie is the kind of revolutionary who is always shot by the real revolutionaries in the movement.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  27. @Pincher Martin

    Yes.

    Tonight Tucker Carlson called Bernie Sanders a “professional loser” and effectively addressed what you have observed.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-bernie-sanders-professional-loser

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  28. Altai says:

    Joe Biden is basically the solution for the Democrats’ Coalition of the Fringes problem: older blacks love him for being Obama’s deferential VP, and moderate whites like him too.

    Like him for what? It’s like liking a blank piece of paper.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  29. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Bob Whitaker did talk about it. He was clear, as clear as he could be, which sometimes wasn’t all that clear until you learned his peculiar way of explaining things. But he was right.

    With only statistically irrelevant exceptions, blacks vote en bloc according to how they are instructed by their Big Men. On occasion a mistake in the chain of communication is made, such as in the case of Alvin Greene. The results, as in that case, can be comical.

    Everyone in the media who has any serious “credibility” knows this and also knows that it is part of the kayfabe. They know that they will be deplatformed if they squawk.

    In professional wrestling, kayfabe /ˈkeɪfeɪb/ (also called work or worked) is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as “real” or “true”, specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or predetermined nature of any kind. The term kayfabe has evolved to also become a code word of sorts for maintaining this “reality” within the direct or indirect presence of the general public.

    Kayfabe is often seen as the suspension of disbelief that is used to create the non-wrestling aspects of promotions, such as feuds, angles, and gimmicks in a manner similar to other forms of fictional entertainment. In relative terms, a wrestler breaking kayfabe during a show would be likened to an actor breaking character on-camera. Also, since wrestling is performed in front of a live audience, whose interaction with the show is crucial to its success, kayfabe can be compared to the fourth wall in acting, since hardly any conventional fourth wall exists to begin with. In general, everything in a professional wrestling show is to some extent scripted, or “kayfabe”, even though at times it is portrayed as real-life.

    Kayfabe was fiercely maintained for decades, but with the advent of the Internet wrestling community, and the sports entertainment movement, the pro wrestling industry has become less concerned with protecting so-called backstage secrets and typically maintains kayfabe only during the shows. Kayfabe is, however, occasionally broken during shows, usually when dealing with genuine injuries during a match or paying tribute to wrestlers.

    There are various theories on why this is so. But it is a constant, like the difference between average white and black IQs, bikers in three piece patch clubs riding Harley Davidson motorcycles exclusively, or Jewish support for gun control and open borders.

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  30. Bruce says:

    Biden-Sanders would be a formidable ticket. Sanders would be loyal- he campaigned for Hillary like a good Party Member after she openly stole the primary from him, whereas Biden is just getting a little help now and then from the party establishment. And Biden doesn’t have any half-billion dollar bribes to explain away.

  31. @Harry Baldwin

    She’s a woman and she’s black — what more do you need?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  32. @Harry Baldwin

    How does anyone take any of this seriously?

    • Agree: black sea
  33. @Bruce

    Please stop. There is no way that the Democrats are going to run a ticket of two old white guys. The last time both members of the ticket were over 60 was

    [MORE]
    1948, when Harry Truman was 64 and Alben Barkley was 70

  34. Bernie’s problem is that the Democratic Party doesn’t believe in democracy. They have now rigged the selection process against him twice. In my circles on Twitter, the anti-Bernies are crowing about this. Their philosophy is that since Bernie isn’t really a Democrat, then it doesn’t matter that he is being screwed. Well, let’s see what happens in November.

    • Replies: @Regret
  35. @Bruce

    Why wasn’t Biden slammed for this? The Republicans were in control of Congress at the time.

    Joe Biden has acknowledged on camera that in spring 2016, when he was vice president and spearheading the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy, he successfully pressured Ukraine to fire top prosecutor Viktor Shokin. At the time, Shokin was investigating the notoriously corrupt Burisma Holdings — where Hunter Biden’s role was especially lucrative. The vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion in critical U.S. aid if Shokin was not fired.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-bidens-controversies-explained (Supporting links in original)

    Seems worse than what the Dems impeached Trump for doing.

  36. @Anonymous

    Thanks … it shows the lunacy of the GOP trying win over the Black vote. As if they were a bunch of philosophers waiting to be persuaded. Think of all those conservatives and libertarians(!) who have spent decades trying to get them “off the plantation”.

    Sounds like the better approach would be to just buy off the preachers.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Corn
  37. @Buzz Mohawk

    I didn’t see it. I no longer watch cable news unless it’s a debate or something else important. But that echoes exactly what I think.

  38. In my view,

    socialism as it is understood by nonacademics, most of the country represents communism and frankly the country is not close to moving that direction. The socialism of Sen Sanders has not made a break with the cold war understanding of the two. It was never going to fly with most of the country.

    Had it not been for the ruckus about the Ukraine which really left VP Biden exposed, Sen Sanders would not have won as much as he has.

  39. Lurker says:
    @Mr McKenna

    As long as she doesn’t visit the Faroe Islands she’ll be OK.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  40. @Lot

    So, basically the same as Barack Obama then?

    Nearly won statewide on Georgia.

    Obama technically “won” his Illinois elections, but this was more through getting his opponents disqualified than from genuine popularity.

    Oprah loves her, and she has a 2nd rate Oprah vibe herself

    Ditto Stacy on the Oprah-ness.

    Went to Yale

    Went to Columbia/Harvard.

    Smart and ambitious enough to avoid radical black politics. No far left paper trail.

    Some far left paper trail and radical black politics, but a compliant media carefully suppressed it. And in any case Obama’s greatest—and most harmful—talent was his ability to present far left doctrine as if it were moderate common sense.

    Geographic, gender, and racial balance

    Hawaiian/Midwestern/Ivy League + mixed race + gay rumors = is his own geographic, racial and gender balance.

    Actual Heritage Black American

    One of the few things he expended real effort on was pretending to be an actual Heritage Black American. Plus rumors of Frank Marshall Davis paternity were an asset.

    A big negative: she mismanaged and possibly even bezzled a voter registration charity.

    Mismanaged and possibly paid out to cronies $300-odd million as founding chairman and president of Chicago Annenberg Challenge. As Redneck farmer says, to Dems this is not “corruption”, this is “brought home $300m of bacon to the grift machine.”

  41. @Harry Baldwin

    Her elevation to membership in the CFR despite a loss of the GA gubernatorial race shows she is the annointed one, much like BHO in 2008.

  42. Lurker says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Yes, we end up being sold a narrative via the media with the unspoken assumption that the black bloc has cogitated long and hard about the complex and abstract issues and whaddya know they’re all voting Dem. Again.

    Whereas a 50.01% white vote the other way is prima facie evidence of a white racist bloc vote entirely by people who have only have the most superficial grasp of politics.

  43. Anonymous[865] • Disclaimer says:

    Vice will be Michelle– no one inspires more mystical Goodwhite-collar deference, and the guy’s even been campaigning as an “O’Biden-Bama Democrat” whatever that is.

    Difficult to imagine how a Pence-Michelle debate would go. A squawky Haley-vs.-Michelle media schedule would at least neutralize some of the positive media for wahmens’ supremacy, If it makes the squares, NPCs, and normies not pay attention to the VP side of the race that’s a minor boon to Trump.

  44. @Anonymous

    “Biden doesn’t inspire strong feelings, vitriol, and hatred like Hillary does. Most normies and Boomers, even those who disagree with or dislike Biden, seem to regard him as like a harmless uncle or grandpa.”

    Yeah, this is how he is winning. He wasn’t anyone’s first choice, but he is everyone’s second choice.

    It’s the classic quandary of the the Dem fringe coalition: each fringe wants its own special interest candidate (black, gay, female, commie, skateboarder, whatever), but each special interest candidate is mutually exclusive to all the other special interests, so no one can grab more than a quarter or so of the electorate. Biden says nothing, means nothing, and represents nothing, yet he’s always been there, so he is at least acceptable to most Dems. You thought he rambles incoherently because he is senile? Maybe he is, but even if he weren’t he would still have to ramble incoherently to avoid offending any of the fringes’ infinitely ramified special interests. In fact, being senile is an asset, since his incoherent rambling is honest rather than pandering, which would be much more embarrassing.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @bomag
  45. Anonymous[865] • Disclaimer says:
    @J Adelman

    So by “many” you mean “one and a half”?

  46. @Mr McKenna

    He says his dad ran it. Did he own it?

  47. @MBlanc46

    The irony of the Democrats is that they are not very democratic. It’s not just their rigged primaries and Super Delegates, now a “smoke-filled room”* will pick a VP who would never have been elected on her own merits who will very likely accede to power when Biden imminently bites the dust.

    *What’s the Current Year equivalent? Vape-filled room? Cannabis? Skype conference?

  48. Boethiuss says:
    @Bruce

    Biden-Sanders would be a formidable ticket. Sanders would be loyal- he campaigned for Hillary like a good Party Member after she openly stole the primary from him, whereas Biden is just getting a little help now and then from the party establishment. And Biden doesn’t have any half-billion dollar bribes to explain away.

    Maybe. Besides the white male thing and having to genuflect to various constituencies in the Democratic Party, everything that happens in politics now has important repercussions beyond just the Presidential race.

    For us there are basically four items in play:

    1. The Presidential race
    2. hollowing out the executive branch/conservative activists
    3. downticket races
    4. public opinion (with respect to immigration, etc).

    The point being is that the Presidential race may not be the most important one of these, and certainly not worth the other three put together, but for the most part that’s all anybody is paying attention to.

    In terms of what’s likely to hurt us, somebody center-Left bland like Klobuchar or Sherrod Brown is probably the worst. That is a campaign premised on the idea that the suburbs that the GOP lost in 2018 are permanently Democratic now. It’s going to require some smart maneuvering by the GOP to prevent that. (Fwiw, it’s going to require some smart maneuvering by the Democrats to keep them. Having Biden at the top of the ticket is a big bullet dodged though.)

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Mr. Anon
  49. Polynikes says:
    @Colin Wright

    Bernie has no chance after Michigan. The anti-communist Cubans and retiree Dems will swing Florida massively for Biden. Then it’s all over but for the crying for the bernouts.

    Biden can spend the whole debate telling the world he’s a robot clown from outer space and he’ll still walk to the nomination.

  50. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @J Adelman

    I know many Asian women especially Indians (my wife and daughters are the ones

    Phew – I thought you were going to mention something about your wife’s son, but carry on. 🙂

  51. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The incumbent gets elected

    Yes. Biden is not right mentally – Trump will smash him in any debate and will get another term.
    All this jibber jabber about Biden’s VP is just a waste of time and energy.

  52. Ed says:
    @Mr McKenna

    She’s really unattractive. This will repulse everyone except black women, who will vote Dem anyway in sufficient numbers.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  53. hhsiii says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I have a fairly left friend (although he’s glad Bernie isn’t the nominee) who said he likes Abrams but worried if she would be ready to step in.

    Rather than insult him (Abrams?), I merely pointed out Joe already has the black vote, and it would kinda kill the Midwest swing-vote vibe Joe needs.

    Of course, blacks may feel like they deserve a reward for reviving tales from the crypt Joe.

    • Replies: @Realist
  54. Felix M says:

    It’s a matter of social equity. There are lotsa Americans with senile dementia, but so far they’ve been unrepresented. It’s time for a President who has this condition.

    And, while we can’t find cures for diseases like cancer or the common cold, Joe’s election could help focus attention on finding a cure for dementia. Heck, maybe even for finding a cure for Progressivism!

  55. Polynikes says:
    @Boethiuss

    Maybe. But the dems surge in ‘18 was almost entirely on the backs young white liberals and college kids who “hated drumpf!” Biden doesn’t hit any groups that Hillary didn’t although he’s probably more likeable.

    Trump still has margins to gain in traditional suburban republicans who abandoned him in ‘16. For example, he won Wisconsin in ‘16 without much turnout from that suburban republican group—which is almost unheard of for Republicans in that state. It’s possible they don’t come back to him (although the midterm elections stung this group the hardest), but unlikely they vote for Biden after they cast two votes against him in ‘08 & ‘12.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  56. hhsiii says:
    @Anonymous

    The Onion for years portrayed Biden affectionately. Waxing his muscle car on the White House lawn shirtless and sucking down a tall boy. Taking out a flask of hooch at the White House Christmas Party and saying “Don’t worry, Uncle Joe’s got the nog.” Regular Joe.

  57. Hugh says:

    I smell a rat.

    The Dems basically threw Joe under the bus when they used the Burisma issue to get impeachment under way. Although it turned out to be a straight-to-DVD impeachment, it could have turned very, very, ugly if witnesses had been called. Would the Dems have done this to their preferred Presidential candidate?

    Then there’s the Biden Brain issue – I’m 67 years old and it gives me no pleasure at all to bring this up, but the signs are too frequent and powerful to ignore. Joe simply isn’t up to it.

    Then there’s Obama. He hasn’t blessed Joe.

    Now that the Bernie threat is fading, the Dems will dump Joe in favour of a better candidate (possibly Hillary).

  58. SafeNow says:

    It’s hard to imagine senile, pushup-contest-challenging, Biden as commander-in-chief. The worst worry: the nuclear codes, with no “two-man rule” in effect for the President. Ashtray-throwing Amy likewise is hard to imagine as the CINC, for non-nuclear or nuclear situations. Is it too much to expect that the person with the nuclear codes, possessing one-man launch authority, not be senile or short-fused?

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  59. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  60. @Hugh

    a straight-to-DVD impeachment

    That’s a good one.

    I’d forgotten all about the impeachment until you’d mentioned it.

  61. OT but there’s actually something worth reading in NR, though I don’t agree with all of it (ideas are important as well as technology, the writer sounds like Stalin dissing the Pope).

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-and-the-clash-of-civilizations/

    For the past few years the consensus view that China would slowly adopt Western political values has been replaced by the realization that the Chinese Communist Party is firmly committed to an alternative model and is in fact trying to export it worldwide. We knew that a generalized race or competition between alternative models had started, but it was never clear what the background for such a competition would be. Would the clash take place within the global trade and financial system, which was of course built according to Western rules and principles? That made many in the United States sure that the battle could be decisively won.

    The coronavirus has provided a somewhat different answer to the question. The contemporary clash of civilizations, like similar clashes in the past, was never an intellectual war, a war of ideas. Ultimately the victors are those who master technology and acquire a higher level of control over natural forces. And the backdrop is not fixed or even stable. The battle will be fought over shifting sands as new threats emerge — climate change and pandemics, first of all — as new technologies are developed, and as changes in the global distribution of power erode the existing system.

    The United States now faces a much more delicate and much more dangerous threat than those posed by Chinese manufacturing prowess or key digital technologies. The coronavirus upsets expectations and exposes weaknesses you might not know about. In a way it forces America to compete with China on neutral ground, that of a new and unexpected technological and political threat to social stability.

    Consider this: In China tens of million had been put on lockdown and three new hospitals were built by the time the country reached the infection statistics that the United States has now. And still the reaction was universally deemed to have come too late. What gives Americans confidence that they are in a better position than China was back then? The only explanation I have heard is that America and China have different political values, but surely to expect that your values can defend you from the world is what defines a religious rather than a scientific approach to life.

  62. Wow, Komodo Harris is really looking white in that photo next to her VP price offer. Must be a co-inky dink.

  63. Charon says:
    @Boethiuss

    For us there are basically four items in play:

    Don’t know who you mean by “us” but over time the Supreme Court will likely prove more important than anything on your list.

    Granted it’ll be a result of the presidential election. But it is why 2020 will prove tragic. It’s even worse than coronavirus.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  64. @Mr McKenna

    I am associated with a woman who is married to a guy who manages the service departments for several Chevy dealerships in the Chicago area. Not an owner, mind you, pretty much a regional manager. The wife drives a brand new Chevy 1500, Tahoe, Camaro, etc every few weeks with dealer plates. IIRC she can get up to 12 new cars to drive a year.

    No question Joe is overstating the extent of his poverty stricken childhood.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  65. Boethiuss says:
    @Polynikes

    Trump still has margins to gain in traditional suburban republicans who abandoned him in ‘16. For example, he won Wisconsin in ‘16 without much turnout from that suburban republican group—which is almost unheard of for Republicans in that state. It’s possible they don’t come back to him (although the midterm elections stung this group the hardest), but unlikely they vote for Biden after they cast two votes against him in ‘08 & ‘12.

    I’m not buying this for a couple of reasons. First of all, the ideas about headroom would apply to other politicians and how they can adapt to new demographics. Trump, on the other hand, has already alienated traditional Republican suburbanites 2018. Biden, even if people think he’s stupid, doesn’t scare anybody.

    Second, now that we’ve gotten clear look at the trajectory of Bernie’s campaign, it’s pretty clear that the success he had in 2016 was largely a function being a placeholder for anti-Hillary votes. Well, guess who else ran against Hillary in 2016? So it stands to reason that other things being equal that Trump would struggle to match his performance from 2016, let alone surpass it.

    Finally, I the whole race is too fixated on the Presidential race. Over the last couple of weeks, we’ve lost a lot of political strength. Some of that has to do with the Presidential race, but we’ve also lost ground every other way as well.

  66. OT, but some real European co-operation with no EU input, ignored by MSM. Surprised the usual suspects aren’t out there with “OMG! They want to drown the children!”.

    I’d never looked at a map of the Turkish/Greek border before, but most of it is marked by the Arda/Maritsa river, which is basically the border from just south of Edirne to the sea, somewhere over 70 miles. You can cross at Edirne, if the Greeks let you, or you can ford/swim/ferry the river.

    https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/03/10/bulgaria-floods-evros-river-to-prevent-migrants-storming-greek-borders/

    “At the request of Greece, Bulgaria opened an Evros River dam located on its territory on Monday in order to cause intentional flooding and make it more difficult for migrants amassed at the Greek-Turkish border to cross the river.

    The opening of the Ivaylovgrad Dam accordingly resulted in rising levels of the Evros River, Star TV reported.”

  67. Boethiuss says:

    Don’t know who you mean by “us” but over time the Supreme Court will likely prove more important than anything on your list.

    Granted it’ll be a result of the presidential election. But it is why 2020 will prove tragic. It’s even worse than coronavirus.

    That’s right. But even there let’s note that we’ve already gotten some or most of what there is to be had. What I’m saying is that setting aside the White House, we are looking at a much more difficult political environment all told, than it appeared to be a couple of weeks ago.

  68. @J Adelman

    I know many Asian women especially Indians (my wife and daughters are the ones), who have an intense hatred for Donnie and this time they will all come out and vote in large numbers.
    It’s payback time, CONSERVATIVES.

    Dude, just because your wife bosses you around, that doesn’t mean she can sway the country. That kind of thing doesn’t scale up well.

  69. Pericles says:

    Now that Biden seems to be the Trump challenger, I’m curious whether his underage girl sniffing and fondling is furthermore racist. I have for instance not yet seen any photos of him sniffing East Asians, South Asians, Arabs, Latinx, Africans, nor of course African-Americans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Apt comment.

    “Everyone’s second choice” describes candidates like Hickenlooper and Bullock: non-offensive corporate types who will manage the zoo.

  71. Coemgen says:

    Without first searching for one, I cannot name any particular accomplishment by Biden other than getting elected. I know of his plagiarisms, his ”handsiness,” his Ukrainian quid pro quo, his verbal ticks, his corrupt son, … but I can’t name a real world accomplishment by him.

    I’m loathe to ask any of the Democrats here in eastern Massachusetts whether or not they can name a Biden accomplishment. Those Democrats tend to take great offense at such questions.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  72. Travis says:

    Joe Biden grew up among the 1%

    Today the manager of a large car dealership will earn over $500,000 per year.
    Back in the early 90s I worked at a large car dealership. The Manager earned $300,000 per year. The assistant manager earned $200,000 per year and the 2 Finance managers each earned $150,000 per year. As a salesman my first year i earned $42,000 and was given a brand new demo car to drive, thus saved significant money, had no need for car insurance or car payments. this was a big reason I took the job instead of a job as a stock broker.

    Today car dealers earn less than back in the 90s , but the managers still get paid well. The finance managers today earn about $100,000 per year. I still have good friends in the business, none of them earn as much as we did in the 90s. The eighties was much better for car salesmen. The 60s was the best of times for car salesmen. Starting in the 90s all the money is made via the financing. Dealers earn almost nothing from selling cars, make all their profits from the back-end – financing and selling warranties. We earned more selling the $900 warranty than the $17,000 Ford Taurus back in 1993, when the Taurus was still the best selling car in America.

  73. In addition to being a straight white male, Sherrod Brown has some me too-ish domestic problems in his background, so he’s out. I’m guessing it will be Klobuchar, since she let it slip, and I’m guessing that may have been the price for her dropping out and supporting Biden. But I’m hoping it’s Kamala “Resting Bitch Face” Harris since she may put off a lot more centrist voters than Klobuchar. If I were a Dem voter, Is want to see Andrew Yang as the pick.

  74. Realist says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    How could anyone take Stacey Abrams seriously as Biden’s VP?

    You’re kidding…right? Your sentence states Biden as President…and you don’t find that hard to take seriously?
    Biden is a addle brained (he has always been low IQ), corrupt, lying, plagiarizing asshole. The fact that Democrats vote for him is disgusting, adding Abrams to the mix is nothing…she can’t be any worse than Biden.
    They probably can’t beat Trump…the lesser asshole.

  75. Mr. Anon says:
    @Boethiuss

    Not just that, but it’s also the Democrats’ first ever to my mind real fundamental concession to the idea that President Trump is actually a thing instead of just the Emmanuel Goldstein of their Two Minute Hate.

    Never fear. He’ll still be that for you.

  76. Realist says:
    @hhsiii

    I have a fairly left friend (although he’s glad Bernie isn’t the nominee) who said he likes Abrams but worried if she would be ready to step in.

    You should mind the company you keep.

  77. bjondo says:

    I’m having trouble believing
    Biden has received more than 11 votes
    total.

  78. Mr. Anon says:
    @Boethiuss

    For us there are basically four items in play:

    What “us” are you talking about? You spend almost every post lambasting almost everyone here for now or ever having supported Trump. There is no “us”, not one that “you” are apart of.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  79. Realist says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Joe clearly grew up lucky and glided right into his schooling and career.

    If you don’t think being born an idiot is unlucky.

  80. “Obama’s deferential VP”

    And (if elected and if the rumors are true) possibly VP H. Clinton’s deferential president?

  81. @Lot

    Nina Turner? Hell, why not Tina Turner?

  82. @Colin Wright

    I think the DNC strategy now is to force (or buy) Sanders out before the next debate, to avoid any chance for a very public Biden meltdown. Or ditch the debates due to “an abundance of caution”

    • Agree: Muggles
  83. Mr. Anon says:

    My guess is that Biden’s VP pick will be Klobuchar. She’s a woman, she’s from the midwest, and she’s only awful in the way that all Democratic Party politicians are awful, not in any special way.

    Biden’s already got the vote-of-color. The black vote seems more important in the primaries; a lot of blacks are concentrated in southern states that will probably go for Trump anyways. He needs suburban women more.

    • Agree: Muggles
  84. Bugg says:
    @Lot

    Suspect the Coalition of the Fringes forces Abrams on Biden. Biden probably knows better, even in his questionable state(arguing about what ever an AR14 is with a hardhat?). But he’ll have little choice. Abrams is pretty much a bad photocopy of Obama. The Magic is gone. She is not a good-looking woman(if Florida from “Good Times” and NFL great Michael Strahan had a daughter?) , she is an awful speaker, and has a record of no accomplishment. And if stories are true, gobs of credit card debt. But the Candidate for MBNA probably doesn’t see any downside to that. His entire career is based on credit card companies bleeding poor people to buy plastic Chinese shit they don’t need forever. And the little we do know of her, she’s a disaster waiting to happen for white middle and working class voters in exactly the states Biden would need to have any shot . Left unsaid but clear is she would be an affirmative action VP candidate. Good luck with that.

  85. At the end, it doesn’t matter who votes. The dems will rally around Biden and manufacture enough votes to win.

    They lost the last time cos they underestimated Trump and overestimated Hillary. They won’t repeat the same mistake again.

    Even if it takes going 150% over the voting population to ensure a victory. They will gamble, correctly in their favor, that no judges will consider nullifying these votes if a winner was announced.

  86. fenster says:

    I agree that Biden is an answer to the Coalition of the Fringes problem but how good and permanent a solution is it?

    For one, the Dems may lose big time. Won’t the call go up “what did we do wrong?”, and won’t the answer be an over-reliance on centrism?

    Second, this year the VP slot may not resemble a bucket of warm spit. In selecting a progressive as a running mate he may be selecting the next president in eight years, four years, two years or even a couple of months.

  87. Tulip says:

    Clyburn said he expects a “qualified African American woman” as the Vice Presidential nominee, and rattled off a number of names. I have to imagine Quid Pro Joe would come through for him, its a little early to betray his friends.

  88. Ordinarily, this race would be over.

    But there’s still a chance Biden could have a catastrophic debate performance in Phoenix, and this turns back into a real race.

    That’s why Rep. Clyburn is pushing for the debates to be cancelled….

    • Replies: @anon
  89. Jack D says:
    @J Adelman

    It will take just one more Synagogue shooting

    Sounds like you are praying for one to happen. It would clearly be worth it (to you) for some innocent strangers to die if it meant Trump’s defeat. You can see this with the media’s coronavirus coverage. They WANT the efforts to fight coronavirus to fail and for a LOT of people to die (and still more to lose their jobs) so that Trump can be defeated.

    Don’t you think that is a sick attitude and one that many Americans would find to be repulsive? How can you support a candidate whose supporters think that way? It just reminds people that the Left has no respect for human life – the ends always justify the means. Gotta break some eggs to make that omelet, except the eggs are human lives and the omelet is a glorious utopia that never comes.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    , @anon
  90. @Charon

    I can understand why the white-suburban-women block has bought into a Woman’s Right to Choose according to the dynamic that Whiskey keeps telling us, whether we want to read Whiskey’s umpteenth telling or not. This election would tip the Supreme Court into overturning Roe with the food fight among the states that ensues.

    Why is the white suburban block so big on the Green New Deal and being so climate changey anyway? After the whole school desegreation thang chase them into the suburbs, at great, great financial expense and then adopting a fossil-fuel intensive lifestyle, how is suburban life going to be de-carbonized — with magic unicorn pixie dust?

    Yeah, yeah, scientists will work this out, and I know a lot of scientists, even research engineers on Electric Power Systems, who have drunk the Kool Aid.

    But still, is a vote against Mr. Trump a vote to triple your electric bill and force you to pay twice as much for an electric version of the SUV you drive (and the SUV thing is driven by the car-seat child-safety rules)? Is the professional-class suburban block thinking they can afford all of this and working class people with the same suburban aspirations can all go to heck? What gives?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  91. Alfa158 says:
    @J Adelman

    Duck, you’re funnier when you pretend to be a White woman married to a brilliant Indian surgeon, and all your friends want to have babies with Men Of Color.

  92. Jack D says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Certain jobs come with certain nice perks that you would otherwise have to be rich to enjoy. Airline employees get free travel, car salesmen get to drive brand new loaner cars, etc. But this doesn’t make you rich overall.

    Also, America in general has gotten richer. A car dealership in the past was often (depending on the size of the city) just a modest local business and not the sprawling mega-dealerships that we see today. Owning one did not mean that you were a millionaire. Especially in the era of high income taxes during the ’50s and early ’60s.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  93. Whiskey says: • Website

    It’s President Abrams. The Party decided.

  94. Jack D says:
    @petit bourgeois

    another brain aneurysm, stroke or coronary event

    When did he have the first one? Biden appears to be mildly senile (less so than Reagan going into his 2nd term) but his physical health seems fine. Anything can happen to a man of his age but the only way that it is certain that he’s going to die in office is if he picks Hillary as his running mate. Otherwise, his chances are pretty good. I don’t know where people got the idea that he has one foot in the grave – it’s just not true. There are many good reasons not to vote for him, but his relative health vs Trump is not one of them.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    , @anon
  95. @Hugh

    Obama, being a former president without a spouse in the race, is playing the Elder Statesman role until there is a nominee. That is pretty much standard procedure.

    The Florida primary will be interesting. We can already expect Biden to sweep the elderly and black vote. But what about Cubans? Will Sanders’ 4 year push for Hispanic votes which has served him well with Mexican-Americans help him? Or will Cubans turn their back on a man who praised Castro? In other words, are all Hispanics interchangeable?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  96. Dan Smith says:

    I’d rank Tina Turner over any of them.

  97. KunioKun2 says:

    I am sure others have thought of this, and possibly dismissed it as ridiculous, but Biden picks DNC best boi Buttikek as VP then magically beats Trump and finds after two months on the throne that imperial administration is too much for him so he resigns. Everything goes better than expected for the DNC.

    @Unz can I have my email reset to the one from this post for KunioKun???

  98. @Hugh

    Using Biden to eliminate Saunders and then eliminating Bernie is the kind of brilliantly Machiavellian strategy the coalition of the fringes now requires and the kind we should expect in the future. I suspect you may be right. If you are, the interesting questions are: (1) How will they get rid of Biden? (2) Whom will they select to replace him? (3) How will they accomplish this without alienating large and essential swaths of their base?

    Again, if you are right, this coming election should have all the fascination of the Borgia’s Papal reign, the Wars of the Roses, and other such examples of brutal and consequential political maneuvering.

    Forget toilet paper! I’m going to stock up on popcorn!

  99. Regret says:
    @ScarletNumber

    No comment on 2016, but how is it ‘rigging’ when the no hoper moderates drop out and endorse the strongest moderate?

  100. @Jack D

    “Anything can happen to a man of his age but the only way that it is certain that he’s going to die in office is if he picks Hillary as his running mate. “

    ROTFLMAO!!!

  101. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    When did he have the first one?

    Biden was operated on for a brain aneurysm twice in the 1980’s when he was in the Senate.
    This is from 1988:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/04/us/biden-resting-after-surgery-for-second-brain-aneurysm.htm

    A year ago the brain surgeon said Biden is good to go for election.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/surgeon-who-operated-on-joe-biden-hes-better-now-than-before-brain-surgery

  102. @SafeNow

    Is it too much to expect that the person with the nuclear codes, possessing one-man launch authority, not be senile or short-fused?

    I have a TERRIBLE temper…but I’m not a psycopathic lunatic, so that wouldn’t actually result in my launching nukes without a valid reason.

    The Klobe may not otherwise be much of a candidate for national office, but I doubt she’s going to Doctor Strangelove on us.

  103. Mike O says:

    Uncle Joe is the sacrificial lamb. His VP selection will be the Dems’ “next in line/fall in line” candidate for 2024.

    Big league Trump win this year.

  104. “On the bright side, there are a lot more good Willie anecdotes to dust off”

    Nope. No bright side: I’m a good visualizer. I do not want images of midget Brown and vapid Kamala engaged in coitus filling up old Duder’s head.

  105. hhsiii says:
    @Jack D

    That phrase always reminds me of watching a documentary about Stalin with a friend late at night on tv. A woman worked at a horse rendering plant in the Soviet Union in the ’30s, her family starving. She said she would sneak home some horse blood and make a blood omelet.

    My friend quipped: you gotta slice some horse veins to make a blood omelet.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  106. @The Wild Geese Howard

    “… the horror … the horror …”

    If Beast Stacey becomes VP the VP’s mansion will begin to resemble Colonel Kurtz’s camp in Cambodia.

  107. @Ed

    “This will repulse everyone except black women”

    You’re forgetting a large segment of upper middle class white women whose need to be acknowledged by the black women socially promoted into the managerial class verges on desperation. They long to hear a Sister call them Sistah. My guess is black men would be the demographic most opposed to Beast Stacey.

  108. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    But what about Cubans?

    Cubans are not monolithic. Sure the old timers (increasingly found in cemeteries) who fled as adults when Castro came to power and who lost everything are virulent anti-Communists who would despise anyone (Sanders) who said anything whatsoever nice about Castro. But their kids and those who came later (the group that fled initially was mostly the white elite – later waves were less white and less elite) have more nuanced views that indeed may be similar to Sanders – i.e. that Castro did some very bad things but wasn’t ALL bad.

  109. Corn says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “Sounds like the better approach would be to just buy off the preachers.”

    Didn’t Ed Rollins do that in ‘93 to get Christine Todd Whitman elected governor of New Jersey?

    Blacks being blacks I doubt they voted Republican, but didn’t he pass out just enough money the reverends told their flocks they may as well stay home on election day?

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  110. @Harry Baldwin

    And Abrams is unintelligent, fat, and a dark-skinned Negress. Remember what Moron Joe said about Barry’s pleasing skin tone? LOL.

  111. @Harry Baldwin

    Separate nations! Now more than ever!

    It’s hard to fathom a more ugly and depressing list and what it says about America.

    Seriously, i got to think semi-senile Joe at least has advisors who want him to win … so they can score a cushy White House job and be a big swinging dick.

    I’ll grant the VP pick is usually basically irrelevant to the election, but several of these are like “let’s rally the white people to Trump!” picks. Harris? Stacey Abrams! She’s a walking advertisement telling white people “Yes, diversity is making America an ugly dumpy slum.” And Butti? LOL. And seriously even bottom of his law school class Joe, can’t be so stupid as to pick Hillary. (Efficient markets indeed.)

    Klobuchar would be a boring sop to the whiny white ladies. But though they manage to be unaware of it, no one else in the fringes likes the tedious finger waging white ladies.

    If Biden has any brains he’ll pick Sherrod Brown or someone like him–someone who is smart and articulate and can kind of rhetorically pooper scooper up after Biden’s gaffes, and someone midwestern normies could imagine as their President without embarassment.

    But really, at this point … let’s just say it was a good run and split this bitch up, so the sane people–that would be me–don’t have to think too much about this looney minoritarian shit show.

  112. Dan Hayes says:
    @Corn

    Brings back happy memories of Cardinal Cushing reveling in describing how the West Virginia ministers were paid off for Kennedy’ primary election!

  113. @Harry Baldwin

    She has dark skin and a vagina; what’s not to love?

    Related question for iSteve readers: in his run against Abrams for governor in 2018, Republican Brian Kemp managed to score >70% of the white vote in Georgia. Was this an aberration due to his opponent being nauseatingly anti-white, or has that been the norm in Georgia? Because if Abrams bumped up the white vote for the GOP that could be disastrous in a potential 2020 run in the Midwest (or any swing state), all projections on the “point of no return” where a Republican can’t win a national election hinges on whites voting the same way instead of moving towards minority voting patterns (2/3 to 3/4 of the vote going one way). Abrams on the Biden ticket might help along the Sailer Strategy more than any policy or rhetoric Trump engages in.

  114. @Tono Bungay

    So when Biden’s ticker quits and Abrams becomes Prez we can expect a SOTU in this style:

    • Agree: HammerJack
  115. @Mr McKenna

    You can roll down any gravel road in Iowa, find a hog confinement building, pry the door … and pull out a more attractive and charismatic candidate than that.

  116. The old saw is that Republicans fall in line and Democrats fall in love.

    Thus, the big Dem wins came from falling in love with FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama. Rarely do the Dems fall in line and get a winner (Carter) unless that falling in line means supporting a VP who succeeded a deceased POTUS (Truman, LBJ). More often, falling in line yields a Humphrey, Mondale, Kerry…and I suspect, Biden.

    Big GOP wins seem to be from a polarizing but ultimately successful figure: Reagan, Trump. Eisenhower was in a unique position and doesn’t really count. Falling in line has a better win record than the Dems (Taft, Hoover, Nixon, Bush Sr., Bush Jr.), but is really mixed over all, such that Republicans have both managed to win and lose by falling in line with the same person (Nixon). And of course, it doesn’t work a lot of the time (Dewey, Dole, McCain, Romney).

    Long and short of it is that Biden is, as someone else here put it, the universal “second choice” of Democrats. He’s old, unhip, and won’t inspire the youth to come out, probably of any color. Sure, there will be some church ladies as there always are, but that’s about it. He is connected to Obama but Joe Biden is not Obama and nobody thinks he is. There are probably a substantial number of people who did not and do not know he was Obama’s VP. I can’t remember one thing he said in public after the 2008 primaries before this campaign. And while he will inevitably draw some AWFLs too, how can they be into it as much when a woman is not running? Joe Biden isn’t going to be HRC in the white pantsuit…although it’d be hilarious if he wore a white suit. Many of the Bernie voters will stay home. There is bound to be an enthusiasm gap.

  117. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    But there’s still a chance Biden could have a catastrophic debate performance in Phoenix, and this turns back into a real race.

    There’s a known COVID-19 case identified in Phoenix. See here:
    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    That’s why Rep. Clyburn is pushing for the debates to be cancelled….

    No, no, no, must cancel because health risk! Yes!

  118. anon[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It will take just one more Synagogue shooting

    Adelman

    Seems obvious that was a troll post. He even put in a bit about his Asian wife, a group usually thought more traditional and compliant than white women, bossing him around.

  119. Not Raul says:

    Kamalah wouldn’t be a good choice geographically.

    Biden will win California with or without Kamalah.

    Kamalah might help Biden with black people, especially black people over 40; but he’s already popular with black people, and Kamalah’s time as a “tough on crime” pol might just as easily hurt.

    Biden should pick someone who could help him in swing states, especially in the Midwest.

    Arizona, Florida, and Texas could be in play, too; but winning states Trump won by a small margin should be top priority.

  120. @Jack D

    “Certain jobs come with certain nice perks that you would otherwise have to be rich to enjoy. Airline employees get free travel, car salesmen get to drive brand new loaner cars, etc. But this doesn’t make you rich overall. ”

    I’m really not sure what motivates you to go around preaching the obvious, but I will concede that I failed to mention the 4,000 sf home they live in with an in ground pool in Homer Glen, IL. The guy makes at a minimum 200k to afford that nut and his wife doesn’t work.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  121. Muggles says:

    While the Dems on TV news are totally unable to do basic math, I think the Dem insiders spend a lot of time counting electoral votes they need. So nominating anyone from an existing Dem state (CA, GA, NY, MA, etc.) is a waste. Likewise token blacks/Hispanics/or Alphabet City (LGBTQ) category. They bring no electoral votes to Slo Jo he won’t get anyway.

    That leaves Amy Klochubar, from Minnesota. Plus, as someone else noted, she’s the least crazy of the main contenders. Tulsi would be nice but she’s officially a non woman of non color and a Democrat in exile. “See how you like Moscow, bitch!”

    The Dems do face other problems unusual this time: the hard core Berniestsas who depending on things, may either stay home or work to wreck the Milwaukee love-in, Chicago ’68 style. Or vote Green. The Greens could also in theory nominate Bernie, though he likely would refuse that. But if he gets really pissed off, can’t rule it out. Also, due to Biden’s obvious non compos mentis, even the Dems have to consider their prospective VP as a somewhat more probable President than usual. Amy fits that bill also, but so do other more ambitious prospects. Hillary, Senator Goodface (placeholder) or perhaps Alec Baldwin, the new Reagan.

    What remains to be seen in this Corona virus ravaged land (or panicking anyway) is how Dems destroying immigration regulation and vast uncharted welfare spending will play in a battered economy. That they can’t simply blame on Trump. At least this new reality makes more fake theatrical “impeachment” hearings unlikely.

    Finally, does anyone really know what happens if Biden dies/goes dark/etc. between the nomination and the election and/or electoral college vote? Can you imagine what the DNC (or whomever) would do, who they’d have to recruit, to deal with a No Jo scenario? Very ugly…

  122. Rob says:

    I kinda hope Biden chooses Abrams. That way I could vote for Trump with no reservations. There are no blacks besides Obama remotely capable of being President. Abrams is fat. That shows high time preference, low IQ, and unwillingness to make personal sacrifices to meet middle class, much less professional managerial class, standards.

    She has an interdisciplinary degree (seems bad) that includes economics. She worked at a tax law firm, yet she owed the more than 50k. Why? She has 170k credit card and student loan debt. What’s the breakdown? Those together show innumeracy along with lots of other poor personality traits. A white woman who goes to law school and gets involved in politics can expect to marry well and have her high-earning husband pay the debt. A Black woman doesn’t have that opportunity.

    Color me unimpressed on her educational credentials. Fifteen percent of Harvard’s freshman class is black, but she doesn’t have an Ivy League bachelors. She went to Spelman, an HBCU. Her manga cum laude degree is meaningless. She has a Yale law degree. To a good approximation, Obama is the only black who was smart enough to go to an Ivy League law school on merit.

    All her political activity has been for black causes. She is unwilling to recognize the results of her Georgia gubernatorial race, holding the current governor to be illigitimate. The media considered the possibility that Trump wouldn’t concede when he lost to be yet another disqualification. How does Abrams get a pass? Negroid.

    On the other hand, if Biden chooses Warren, I’ll strongly consider voting for him. Yeah, she pretended to be a nonwhite for affirmative action, which is a point against her. But it also means she doesn’t take AA seriously or consider it legitimate, which is a point in the favor. All told, I think getting preferences as a pretendian to be mildly against her, but not disqualifying.

    Is the opposition of the DACA (and other) illegals real? Are they too uninformed to know that Obama called everyone the Border Patrol caught and sent back deportations. It was intended to fool patriotic, law-abiding whites. Did it also fool illegals and descendants of illegals. We really need a term for the paper citizens whose parents either snuck in or defrauded us on a tourist visa. Something that captures the fact that they aren’t legitimate citizens, and don’t have any claims that Americans need to respect. I have a feeling the illegals protesting is a head fake to make Biden look like an immigration patriot to legitimate Americans.

    If Hispanics really think Biden is too patriotic to support, maybe he need a female Mexican for his running mate.

    Lastly, let’s say the debate with Sanders Sunday is a disaster for Biden. Like he forgets what he’s supposed to be doing there, can only answer questions with vaguely related rehearsed speeches, gets into a foaming at the mouth rage and challenges Bernie to a fistfight, but he wins the primary. Can the DNC get together and change the rules and nominate someone else? Do they have an implied contract with whoever wins the most pledged delegates?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  123. @Inquiring Mind

    “Why is the white suburban block so big on the Green New Deal and being so climate changey anyway?”

    Propaganda – driven conformism?

    The less green a country is, the more green-ery appears on packets, wrapping, the sides of delivery trucks (what used to be “Dave’s Transport” is now “Honeybee Sustainable Logistics”. There’s a reason BP changed its logo to a sunflower.

    And this is all driven/reinforced by some of the world’s best Emotional Engineers, working in the media.

    “After the whole school desegreation thang chase them into the suburbs, at great, great financial expense”

    But do they have a memory of that, from fifty years ago? There haven’t been any TV programs or films about it, only about the brave black students facing guns, dogs and white racists. Who made the TV programs about the exodus of whites and what caused it? Who published and promoted the books about it? Who ensured the story was in the curriculum taught to every child?

    For an awful lot of people, reality is what’s on the screen in front of you.

    “how is suburban life going to be de-carbonized — with magic unicorn pixie dust?”

    That’s exactly why we need the Green New Deal, can’t you see?

    • Replies: @Charon
  124. @Coemgen

    Well, he made sure that college/university loans are non-dischargable in bankruptcy. I dimly tecall that he was a driving force in the lightning-quick passage of the so-called PATRIOT act, unnecessarily rapid if reflection on the implications of its provisions had been a consideration. But since it was the Deep State’s wish list, this was clearly not a consideration. Lots of deviltry squirreled away in those thousand plus pages.

  125. Kronos says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Oh come on Buzz, your much better then that! Don’t be like those suckers who fell for Bill Clinton and his saxophone.

    • Replies: @dvorak
  126. pirelli says:

    Biden should pick Klobuchar for VP. Target for Dems this election should be suburban moderates. Working class whites that went for Sanders in 2016 are Trump voters now. Blacks will probably turn out in reasonably good numbers for Biden for the reasons Steve described, so he doesn’t really need a black VP. It’s also not even clear Kamala would help him with that demographic. Abrams would, but again, his focus should be on suburban moderates, particularly in Midwest, and that’s where Klobuchar helps most.

  127. dvorak says:

    Buy Michelle.

    She’s never given a Shermanesque statement, and she’s an empty-nester as of last fall.

    She’s imagining right now, how much it would cheese off Oprah and Hillary, for lil ole Michelle to become the first woman VP and then the first woman President.

  128. dvorak says:
    @Kronos

    A chubby band geek … made good.

    Not too funky, though, at all. Bill doesn’t swing the notes.

  129. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    And notice the sexual preferences of both Biden the father and Biden the son- They seem to have a penchant for attractive, slim, and often times blonde white women. Sleepy Joe has said it’s a good thing if whites become a minority, but in a clear case of cognitive dissonance, Biden & son haven’t extended their fondness for non-whites to their bedroom conquests. Biden says he’s on board with race replacing white people in this country, but when it comes to his own (presumably) subliminal sexual preferences it’s white all the way for who he mates with and incorporates into his family unit.

  130. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    To a good approximation, Obama is the only black who was smart enough to go to an Ivy League law school on merit.

    This is absolutely false. Using merit based admissions, 1 or 2% of Ivy lawyers would be “black” (by American standards, which is to say that most of them would be light skinned mulattoes, often from the Caribbean or raised by their Jewish mothers (like Obama’s half brother the physicist with a Stanford degree)) when their black biodad took off for greener pastures. So every year at Harvard there are 5 or 6 Obama equivalents mixed in with all the mediocrities.

    But in terms of dark skinned American slave descendants like Stacey, almost nil.

    • Replies: @Rob
  131. @Mr McKenna

    “she’s fat enough to pass for Roxane Gay. ”

    Well, yeah. She’s fat enough to pass for Mo’Niique AND Roxanne Gay, stuffed into the same housecoat..

  132. MBlanc46 says:
    @Boethiuss

    I think that you’re correct. Trump loses and the Senate goes with him. Kavanaugh is impeached, and perhaps Gorsuch also.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  133. @Mr McKenna

    I’m not a religious guy, but let me bow my head:

    “Dear Lord, most merciful … i beseech you. Do not let America be destroyed without sending Americans a warning of what our future will look like, giving us a chance to wise up.

    So … please, please, please, let Joe pick Stacy.

    Amen.”

  134. Rob says:
    @Jack D

    This is absolutely false. Using merit based admissions, 1 or 2% of Ivy lawyers would be “black” (by American standards, which is to say that most of them would be light skinned mulattoes

    Are you sure about that? One percent of Harvard Undergrads would be black, but law schools must draw from the upper, what, twenty percent? Ivy League law schools are even more rarefied. the LSAT mean is 151, and the standard deviation is around 9. Blacks average an std below whites, because it’s an IQ test. Yale’s median LSAT is 173, 2.44 std above the average, or 3.44 above blacks’ mean. That corresponds to 0.7% of whites and .03% of blacks, so whites are about 25 times as likely as blacks to make the cut. There are about 3.44 whites per black in the 25 y.o. age range, so 83 whites per black. So about 1% black. That’s surprising, because 1% of Harvard students would be black if IQ were the only criterion. Why aren’t Ivy League law students more elite than Ivy League undergrads?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  135. Boethiuss says:
    @MBlanc46

    I think that you’re correct. Trump loses and the Senate goes with him. Kavanaugh is impeached, and perhaps Gorsuch also.

    Har har. The Justices obviously won’t be impeached, but the Senate is in a lot more trouble now than three weeks ago. This isn’t even directly due to Trump even, as opposed to the Dem primary. Their party is simply much better positioned if Joe is at the top of the ticket relative to Bernie.

    Trump is going to have a bunch of speeches and rallies and tweets about “Sleepy Joe” and the other Republicans are going to have a lot of material to say that he’s stupid and whatnot. Maybe those attacks will land. But even if they do, all that means is that some marginal voters will be voting for Trump instead of Joe.

    Nobody’s going to be afraid to Joe to where they vote a straight GOP ticket in order to stop him. But Bernie, there’s a lot of voters who will react “ZOMG Socialism” and run the other way. We’re not getting the benefit of that any more.

  136. Charon says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Pretty much. Most voters don’t think quite as deeply as Inquiring Mind implies.

  137. Boethiuss says:
    @Mr. Anon

    What “us” are you talking about? You spend almost every post lambasting almost everyone here for now or ever having supported Trump. There is no “us”, not one that “you” are apart of.

    We have to hope there’s an “us.” I am a patriotic Republican American, who’s motivation is the best interest of America and its people.

    I’m not even reflexively against Trump for that matter. I voted for him the general election against Hillary, there’s even some chance I’ll vote for him again (leaning towards not voting at the moment).

    Sometimes I let internet crap bug me more than I should, and I’m harsher than I should be, or invest more energy in something than it’s worth. Mea culpa.

    About this, we bitch and moan about the coalition of the fringes and the globalists, implicitly or explicitly about lack of loyalty. We’ve got legit beef, but frankly right now we need to worry about our own loyalty just as much or more. We talk a big game but people can see that we’re just about ego validation, and so we lose. Push comes to shove, that’s what Trump is really about.

  138. Way too high for Stacy Abrams. She’s known only to boutique Democrats; an overrated loser to the rest of Democrat America, it she’s familiar at all.

  139. MEH 0910 says:


    ******

    The factor that actually explains 2016, as some of us chagrined liberals insisted at the time, was Hillary Clinton’s idiosyncratic personal unpopularity. It turned out large portions of the public, even of the Democratic electorate, simply detested her. Sexism is obviously a very large reason, along with Clinton’s own mistakes and the media’s frequently unfair coverage of her. But the important thing is that Clinton’s toxic standing among wide swaths of the electorate was the gravitational force causing the phenomenon Bernie fans misread. Clinton hatred allowed Sanders to draw more than 40 percent of the primary vote, and Clinton hatred allowed Donald Trump to narrowly win.

  140. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    Yes, so between 1 and 2% like I said. There should be around 6 or 7 “blacks” (mochas?) in each graduating class from Harvard Law (avg class size 560) .

    Your fallacy is that Ivy Law Schools do not draw only from Ivy undergrad schools but from the whole population, so you get to do the selection all over again – it is not a subset of a subset.

  141. ATBOTL says:

    I don’t think the coalition of the fringes is really a good way to understand what is going on. The issue today is whether or not people think the current system is working for them. Blacks know it is, so do government employee whites. The amount of affirmative action and welfare that blacks get is astronomical. An incredible number of blacks are hogging high paying gov’t jobs that are some of the only middle class jobs left. Blacks are favored at every step in our current system and also receive a very disproportionate share of the charity from private sources. I’m sure many of the posters here know about white churches giving toys to black ghetto future muggers on Christmas every year. That alone adds up to huge sums of money from whites to blacks. There are so many examples of this, we couldn’t count them all. There is also the issue that blacks have been soaking up all of society’s sympathy and concern for generations, leaving struggling white people to be ignored. This can’t be quantified.

    Blacks are earning above their ability level and working class whites and recent Hispanic immigrants are earning below their ability levels. The concept of “moderate” voters is bogus. The white Democrats who support Biden are middle class and heavily concentrated in gov’t jobs and private sector AA for women type jobs.

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