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Bibi Netanyahu is contesting his umpteenth general election later this month. From the Jewish Telegraph Association news wire:

Benjamin Netanyahu: Court ruling creates danger of Israel being ‘overrun’ by ‘fake’ converts from Africa
BY BEN SALES MARCH 9, 2021 7:43 PM

(JTA) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered his take Tuesday on a recent Supreme Court decision requiring the government to recognize Reform and Conservative conversions performed in Israel: It could lead to the country being “overrun” with “fake” Jewish converts from Africa.

… He suggested that the court decision could allow African asylum seekers to take advantage of Israel’s Law of Return, which grants automatic citizenship to any Jew who applies.

“The real question we have is [how] to prevent fake conversions that could enter the country,” he said in the interview, which was broadcast by the Tel Aviv International Salon. “You know, a lot of people want to come into Israel. In fact, I put up a fence, they call it a wall, but I prevented the overrunning of Israel, which is the only first-world country that you can walk to from Africa. We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state would have collapsed.”

 
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  1. We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed

    .

    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • LOL: J.Ross, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Dumbo


    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.
     
    Tribalist on the inside (their own nation/spaces/stuff).

    Anti-tribalist on the outside (other peoples nations/spaces/stuff).


    My stuff is my stuff. Your stuff? ... we'll talk.
    , @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Dumbo


    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.
     
    They’ve been doing that shit since they chose Barabbas.

    From Isabella of Spain: The Last Crusader by William Thomas Walsh (Sheed and Ward, 1935):


    XIV—THE JEWS’ ACTIVITIES IN SPAIN—THEIR PERSECUTION IN EUROPE—THE CONVERSOS—ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SPANISH INQUISITION

    ...That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain... Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Córdoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios,“they aspired only to feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”

     

    Such a lovely people.

    Replies: @HA

    , @anonymousperson
    @Dumbo

    Typical Jewish hypocrisy.

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Dumbo

    Good for Bibi. He's defending his ethny and his country.

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders. That we don't is our shame.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon

  2. Fake converts – that is interesting too. – No country for people of the wrong faith. So: There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there. – Perfectly clear that. A million miles away from the postmodernist – obfuscations elsewhere (in Harvard and at the Oberlin College and in Berlin etc. pp.). Premodern even, this Netanjahu man. –

    – Interesting contrast between him here and Angela Merkel and Jo Biden there. – Worlds in Collision – Immanuel Velikowsky // Pere Ubu.

    • Replies: @J
    @Dieter Kief

    Islam converts with the scimitar, only accepting the Prophet Mohammed saves from death in a jihad (sacred war). Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove. Judaism does not seek converts, and rejects those with some material incentive. We do not convert children and doubt conversions done for escaping the poverty of Africa.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @anonymous

    , @Jack D
    @Dieter Kief


    There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there.
     
    Israel has a law called "Law of Return". The idea is that Israel was founded as a refuge for Jews so you would never again have a situation like the SS St. Louis where Jews were fleeing from (cough German cough) oppression but had no place to go. There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that). It's called the Law of Return based on the premise that Jews were originally from Israel so when they emigrate to Israel they are merely going back home.

    Naturally the Law of Return doesn't apply if you are an African animist or Christian since you are not "returning" to your homeland.

    Replies: @Jon, @black sea

  3. anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Paperback Writer

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    TwoFiveZero, nice phrase "more chosen than others."

    , @Nachum
    @anonymous

    To be clear, these are not Ethiopian Jews but Christians claiming Jewish relations. Even Israeli Ethiopian Jews aren't all in favor of bringing them over. And to be frank, there are organizations and individuals that were devoted to bringing over Ethiopian Jews that, their mission done, can't (as all organizations) just declare victory and close up shop. So one senses that no matter how many times we're told that "the last Ethiopian Jews have been brought over," there will always be another thousand or so to go. Funny how that works.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Billy Corr
    @anonymous

    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.

    Replies: @Anon, @daniel sebold

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @anonymous

    Israel's inhumane treatment of the Falash Mura is absolutely disgusting! Seriously. :(

  4. Luke Ford estimated once that it took an IQ of 110 to convert to Orthodox Judaism, if they went by the book. Hence Netanyahu’s opposition to easier conversions.

    • LOL: Nodwink
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Dave Pinsen


    Luke Ford estimated once that it took an IQ of 110 to convert to Orthodox Judaism, if they went by the book. Hence Netanyahu’s opposition to easier conversions.
     
    If you can’t trust (((Luke Ford))) from Twitter, who can you trust?

    What estimate did Obi-Wan Chevy give?
  5. Well, we know what leader is serious about protecting his country, at least.

    • Replies: @anthony aaron
    @Redneck farmer

    His main concern is winning the next election so that he and the missus won't have to face various criminal charges and likely spend time behind bars … that's why he's pushing this agenda and why he's hiding the truth behind the extreme failure of the 'vaccine' program in israel that has allegedly produced more deaths in the past 2 months than in the 10 previous months.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  6. J says:
    @Dieter Kief
    Fake converts - that is interesting too. - No country for people of the wrong faith. So: There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there. - Perfectly clear that. A million miles away from the postmodernist - obfuscations elsewhere (in Harvard and at the Oberlin College and in Berlin etc. pp.). Premodern even, this Netanjahu man. -

    - Interesting contrast between him here and Angela Merkel and Jo Biden there. - Worlds in Collision - Immanuel Velikowsky // Pere Ubu.

    Replies: @J, @Jack D

    Islam converts with the scimitar, only accepting the Prophet Mohammed saves from death in a jihad (sacred war). Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove. Judaism does not seek converts, and rejects those with some material incentive. We do not convert children and doubt conversions done for escaping the poverty of Africa.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @J

    Children means here what - up to - 10 years?

    What would be an accepted form of conversion?

    What does it mean to doubt conversions for escaping poverty in Africa? - prove the mentality (the motivations) to be wrong? Or make it shorter and say: you try to escape poverty, so we don't believe your conversion?

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Nachum

    , @anonymous
    @J


    Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove.
     
    And what does “Judaism” demand?

    Judaism does not seek converts,
     
    Oh yes it does. It seeks to convert all children of Jews.
  7. OT – in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered – allegedly (there’s been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it’s politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di’s old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she’d have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.

    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.

    I imagine she’s describing this jacket.

    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!

    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @YetAnotherAnon

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1370667946419359744?s=21

    , @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yet Another, so is that what happened? She accepted a ride from a uniformed LEO? At that time of night many would accept. Sad if true.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    2011 op-headline from her is good as well:


    Who are these royal wedding fans? One doesn't know such people socially

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2011/apr/19/lost-in-royal-showbiz-fans
     
    (—though the crack team of webmasters or mxsters of the Grauniad seem to have misplaced a few semantics from the ending of the subhed)
    , @Tony
    @YetAnotherAnon

    They'd never make this movie nowadays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2OGNhKILBQ

  8. Israel, like America, has lots of crazy leftists who don’t believe in borders. But Israeli leftists haven’t succeeded in forming the high-low coalition that has put leftists in charge in America. The Israeli Jewish lower class mostly votes Likud (Netanyahu).

    Now the Arabs do support the left and at 22% of the electorate you might think they should be even more powerful than blacks, at 13%, are in the US. But here’s the difference: Arabs aren’t considered “cool”. In America, lots of whites vote Democrat because blacks like the Democrats. But in Israel, being the “Arab” party is a big net minus in the eyes of 95% of the Jews.

    • Agree: El Dato, Jack D
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @International Jew

    The Arabs need to find a way to get weaponized by the left-wing Jews against the right-wing Jews, similar to what we do here in the USA. Start by calling the right-wing Jews racist, and the left-wing Jews too if they don't fall in line. Or don't they care about that?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    , @bigdicknick
    @International Jew

    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest. That's why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority "rights" i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.

    all the rest is just self deception.

    Replies: @Dissident

  9. Neanderthal Thinking!

  10. @anonymous
    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    ...

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Nachum, @Billy Corr, @Mr. XYZ

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Israel should do the right thing and take in those long-lost cousins of them!

    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    My favorite African religious fact is the tribe which arrived at the god and devil dualism model, recognizes the goodness of the one god, but sacrifices to the devil: because god is already on your side.

    Replies: @Pericles, @anonymous

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s more than vague customs that they have in common. Their languages are also related.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Steve Sailer

    The Ethiopians who were airlifted to Israel en masse have zero genetic relationship to any other Jewish community, and historically not much more. The creation of "Jews" in Ethiopia was entirely political. The other Judaic groups, and the guys who are still in Ethiopia, have just as much a claim on going to Israel as the ones who were transported there in the 80s and 90s. In short, the Israelis imported a race problem.

    Replies: @Clyde

  11. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered - allegedly (there's been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it's politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di's old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she'd have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.


    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.
     
    I imagine she's describing this jacket.

    https://www.hjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ken-wahl-jacket.jpg


    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!
     
    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @Tony

  12. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Paperback Writer

    Israel should do the right thing and take in those long-lost cousins of them!

    • Agree: Not Raul
  13. @J
    @Dieter Kief

    Islam converts with the scimitar, only accepting the Prophet Mohammed saves from death in a jihad (sacred war). Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove. Judaism does not seek converts, and rejects those with some material incentive. We do not convert children and doubt conversions done for escaping the poverty of Africa.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @anonymous

    Children means here what – up to – 10 years?

    What would be an accepted form of conversion?

    What does it mean to doubt conversions for escaping poverty in Africa? – prove the mentality (the motivations) to be wrong? Or make it shorter and say: you try to escape poverty, so we don’t believe your conversion?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Dieter Kief

    If I were a poor African, I'd convert to Mormonism to escape poverty. That's the real golden ticket!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] "proselytizes" to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It's not screamingly successful.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Dissident

    , @Nachum
    @Dieter Kief

    Adopted children are converted provisionally. Once they reach adulthood- which for these purposes is 12-13 years old- they're free to decide whether or not they want it, with it being stressed that there's no judgment if they say no.

    Orthodox conversion means acceptance of the dogmas and rules of Judaism, dunking in a ritual bath, and circumcision for men (symbolic if they already are).

  14. @Dieter Kief
    @J

    Children means here what - up to - 10 years?

    What would be an accepted form of conversion?

    What does it mean to doubt conversions for escaping poverty in Africa? - prove the mentality (the motivations) to be wrong? Or make it shorter and say: you try to escape poverty, so we don't believe your conversion?

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Nachum

    If I were a poor African, I’d convert to Mormonism to escape poverty. That’s the real golden ticket!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @BB753

    Mormonism would be this kind of option but it has a real downside to it: You are supposed to work hard - and stay sober all the time as a Mormon. A tough combination. Lots of people shy away from such - rigorous - anti-Let-the-good-times-roll!- guidelines.

  15. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Another NYT data article illustrating the idiocy of avoiding common sense mnemonic color selections for the display of race information:

    The pandemic has been a story of two lines — haves and have-nots — moving in different directions.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/03/11/opinion/covid-inequality-race-gender.html

    I first looked at this as a sort of IQ test: by looking at the line trends I thought I was supposed to guess which was black, white, and Hispanic. There is no legend, and the race names are in the table, but ambiguosly positioned with respect to lines. I finally figured out that the names were in the color of the line they refered to, harder to see in the thin font than you might think if you’re not looking for it.

  16. The world needs developed countries like Israel and Japan with policies showing that the often assumed inevitability of mass migration is a lie.

    • Replies: @Hans
    @Erik Sieven

    And the Western world needs to expatriate its jews to Israel before we are destroyed by jewish demands for open borders.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/

    American activist Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of European ethnic societies. "Europe won't SURVIVE" without non-white hordes" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Who's the jewish guy who said they need to slow the pace down because the "new Americans" aren't brainwashed with Holohoax propaganda and the jews risk losing their grip on the "nation"? Oh, it's Steinlight - https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/07/great-masters-of-the-lie/

    Are there any prominent jews in Western nations calling for the protection of our borders besides Miller? Would love to hear of a second or third or even fourth. LOL

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

  17. This only shows that Israeli definition of Jewish peoplehood is inadequate.

  18. @International Jew
    Israel, like America, has lots of crazy leftists who don't believe in borders. But Israeli leftists haven't succeeded in forming the high-low coalition that has put leftists in charge in America. The Israeli Jewish lower class mostly votes Likud (Netanyahu).

    Now the Arabs do support the left and at 22% of the electorate you might think they should be even more powerful than blacks, at 13%, are in the US. But here's the difference: Arabs aren't considered "cool". In America, lots of whites vote Democrat because blacks like the Democrats. But in Israel, being the "Arab" party is a big net minus in the eyes of 95% of the Jews.

    Replies: @Polistra, @bigdicknick

    The Arabs need to find a way to get weaponized by the left-wing Jews against the right-wing Jews, similar to what we do here in the USA. Start by calling the right-wing Jews racist, and the left-wing Jews too if they don’t fall in line. Or don’t they care about that?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Polistra

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish "Peace Now" activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over "human rights violations" in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel's large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism - real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close - the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% - the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman - see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won't let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders - that's really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don't y'all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Jon, @AnotherDad, @silviosilver

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Polistra

    Actually, wokism has invaded the Jewish community with a vengeance. I have little to do with organized religion but the last (pre-Covid) time I popped into the local JCC to have a cup of coffee I took a spin around the spacious, excellent facilities. Many photos of "Jews of color" and quite a few with Jewish grandparents and grandchildren of color. No grandparent cry. Happy happy.

    In reality, as Audacious Epigone has pointed out, Jews are the whitest religious group in the US, of course, using sane people definitions of white, not white-nationalist.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  19. @Dieter Kief
    @J

    Children means here what - up to - 10 years?

    What would be an accepted form of conversion?

    What does it mean to doubt conversions for escaping poverty in Africa? - prove the mentality (the motivations) to be wrong? Or make it shorter and say: you try to escape poverty, so we don't believe your conversion?

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Nachum

    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] “proselytizes” to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It’s not screamingly successful.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @J.Ross

    The Chabad movement has some successes. I know personally of 2 secular Jews who becamse black hats. And then there was my friend Joe P. a Puerto Rican Newyorkan . If I remember correctly he was converted by an orthodox synagogus - so he could marry his girlfriend after a courtship of 10 years when her family finally gave their consent.

    Replies: @chrimony

    , @Dissident
    @J.Ross


    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] “proselytizes” to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It’s not screamingly successful.
     
    1.) There are many such outreach efforts by many different subsets of Orthodox Jews. These include dedicated yeshivas [Jewish religious schools] for Jews from non-Orthodox backgrounds; special classes at mainstream yeshivas; and many other programs.

    2.) Such efforts have had a considerable degree of success. Nearly anyone who has moved within Orthodox circles will have encountered any number of people who are either the products themselves of said efforts* or the descendants of such. There are even some synagogues and communities made-up largely, and in some cases, overwhelmingly, of such Jews.

    *Known as baalei teshuva or khozrim b'teshuva, though these terms are, in a large sense, misnomers.

    3.) Re: "racial Judaism":
    - Judaism is a religion, according to which one is a Jew either by being born to a Jewish mother or by undergoing a valid conversion;
    - Conversion is not restricted by race;
    - In so far as remaining bound by the obligations and restrictions of Judaism, the rule is once a Jew (whether by birth or by (valid) conversion), always a Jew.
    - By law (i.e., halakhah), however, Jews who are deemed apostates, heretics, and certain categories of flagrant sinners, however, are (to varying degrees, ranging from partially to practically entirely) ostracized from participation in the religious rites and community.

    In practice, the degree to which such ostracization is enforced varies considerably between communities. There are numerous reasons for this, some valid, some questionable, some invalid.

    A fuller treatment, from a past comment of mine follows.

    Ultimately, while Judaism can be classified as a religion, and perhaps as an ethnicity as well, entities of and related-to Judaism, Jews and Jewishness are not easily mapped to distinct, discrete classifications of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. as commonly understood and accepted. As I have repeatedly pointed-out, those of us who fall within the broad category of identifying as or (at least potentially) being identified by others as Jews cannot even agree on how to define one.

    Those who argue that Judaism is primarily or even exclusively a tribal identity rather than a religion are guilty of (a) conflating what are two overlapping but nonetheless distinct concepts, and (b) ignoring or glossing-over facts such as that Judaism accepts sincere, committed converts of just about any birth, while it rejects born-Jews who renounce or flout the religion to a degree that they are deemed as apostates or heretics. Even one whose transgressions merely place him in the lesser category of wanton/flagrant public sinner is still excluded from the community to a considerable, if not overwhelming degree. To the extent that such ostracization is not enforced (or not de facto enforced) in practice (which, admittedly, is often the reality on the ground) it is generally due to one or more of the following reasons: (a) ignorance of the relevant Judaic laws; (b) ambiguity or apprehension over their practical application; (c) laxity, esp. that motivated by disincentives to enforcement; (d) valid rabbinic ruling under which the culpability of the individual-in-question for his transgressions is at least largely mitigated based upon his background and circumstances in life; (e) means justifies the end rationale in which the potential for drawing the individual closer and inspiring him to repentance is deemed the over-riding consideration. A variant of this is fear that censuring or rebuffing the individual would drive him toward active hostility, possibly even violence. Such calculations may or not, depending upon the specific factors involved, be halakhicaly valid.

    For those interested in the topic, I highly recommend Is Judaism a Nationality?, a YouTube video of a lecture delivered by Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in September 2019 at the International Council for Middle East Studies' (ICMES) Faith, Community and Culture conference held in British Colombia.

  20. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Paperback Writer

    My favorite African religious fact is the tribe which arrived at the god and devil dualism model, recognizes the goodness of the one god, but sacrifices to the devil: because god is already on your side.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @J.Ross

    (Smile, look at the camera, tap head.)

    , @anonymous
    @J.Ross

    As a Jew I hope rather than joke around, you call for the Ethiopian Jews to be able to return.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  21. I prevented the overrunning of Israel, which is the only first-world country that you can walk to from Africa.

    What happened to South Africa? I thought it was First World?

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?

    Didn’t Israelis learn any lessons from the S.S. St Louis???

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Wilkey

    People struggle to think in the space between catastrophic and good. It would have been catastrophic for Israel to take in the Syrian refugees, so people can understand that. It was not catastrophic for Germany to take them in, so people instead think it was good, when obviously it was net bad for Germans.

    Replies: @anon

  22. Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?

    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @Clyde

    People eligible to be Israeli citizens, that live in other countries, especially the USA, are the most strident open border pro immigration types. They hate our partial wall but (many) love Bibi's wall.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Clyde

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w1_K_rerWI

    , @Nodwink
    @Clyde

    Self-identified Jewish Zionists in the diaspora are often the most aggressive in demanding that gentile-majority nations open their borders to anyone and everyone. Right-wing Zionists in the West copiously fund left-wing pro-immigration groups, while advocating for their exclusionist State.

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Clyde

    Lol when did Israel withdrawal from the convention on refugees.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Anonymous
    @Clyde

    13% of Syria's prewar population was Christian or Druze, groups that already exist in Israel and have not recently made a nuisance of themselves.

  23. They certainly wouldn’t want to be like America, over-run by negroes.

  24. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered - allegedly (there's been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it's politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di's old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she'd have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.


    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.
     
    I imagine she's describing this jacket.

    https://www.hjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ken-wahl-jacket.jpg


    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!
     
    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @Tony

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    That's OK, I wasn't sure it was in your court but it was interesting.

    I guess there's just a chance that the Guardian stylebook forbids ANY mention of ethnicity in comment pieces now. I doubt it, but I haven't checked.

  25. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Paperback Writer

    It’s more than vague customs that they have in common. Their languages are also related.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Semitic languages are spoken in Africa because from the 10th to 7th centuries BC people from the Arabian peninsula crossed the tiny strait between the Horn and South Arabia and brought their language (and their genes) with them.

  26. @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    That’s OK, I wasn’t sure it was in your court but it was interesting.

    I guess there’s just a chance that the Guardian stylebook forbids ANY mention of ethnicity in comment pieces now. I doubt it, but I haven’t checked.

  27. @Clyde

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?
     
    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    Replies: @WJ, @Bardon Kaldian, @Nodwink, @Matt Buckalew, @Anonymous

    People eligible to be Israeli citizens, that live in other countries, especially the USA, are the most strident open border pro immigration types. They hate our partial wall but (many) love Bibi’s wall.

  28. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    My favorite African religious fact is the tribe which arrived at the god and devil dualism model, recognizes the goodness of the one god, but sacrifices to the devil: because god is already on your side.

    Replies: @Pericles, @anonymous

    (Smile, look at the camera, tap head.)

  29. Meanwhile “Lord” Alf Dubs and Israeli-born Jewess Rachel Shabi insist Britain should take in more child refugees 2/3 of whom are really adults. Their moral high ground is Germany’s past “sins” aka anti-semitism.

    In America Earl Raab used the same logic in 1993 to justify open borders. Likewise Eastern European Jews supported blacks in South Africa because of alleged maltreatment back in Tsarist Russia.

    Africans and other immigrants are good in countries where they are competing with European goyim but not in their ethnostate.

    That’s why Kevin MacDonald calls organized Jewry a group survival strategy.

  30. @Dumbo

    We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed
     
    .
     
    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @anonymousperson, @Wade Hampton

    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Tribalist on the inside (their own nation/spaces/stuff).

    Anti-tribalist on the outside (other peoples nations/spaces/stuff).

    My stuff is my stuff. Your stuff? … we’ll talk.

    • Disagree: Jack D
  31. Nothing but respect for him. Odd Israelis won’t give him a clear victory. Democracy really isn’t all that great even among a smart population. People tend not to choose all that well.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ed

    "Nothing but respect for Adolf. Odd if Germans don’t give him a clear victory. Democracy really isn’t all that great...even among a smart population. People tend not to choose all that well."

    ~Rolf and Ilsa, 1932, Deutchland

  32. @Clyde

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?
     
    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    Replies: @WJ, @Bardon Kaldian, @Nodwink, @Matt Buckalew, @Anonymous

  33. @Clyde

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?
     
    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    Replies: @WJ, @Bardon Kaldian, @Nodwink, @Matt Buckalew, @Anonymous

    Self-identified Jewish Zionists in the diaspora are often the most aggressive in demanding that gentile-majority nations open their borders to anyone and everyone. Right-wing Zionists in the West copiously fund left-wing pro-immigration groups, while advocating for their exclusionist State.

    • Agree: mc23
  34. @Dumbo

    We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed
     
    .
     
    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @anonymousperson, @Wade Hampton

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as “open borders” type guys while he is the “I built the wall” guy – exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn’t be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Jack D


    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel,
     
    Name one jew who is for open borders in Israel.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @International Jew

    , @Cido
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

     

    Do you have any source that the Jews in USA want open borders in Israel ?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Nachum

    , @bigdicknick
    @Jack D

    "People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither."

    You've been called out on this blatant lie multiple times on here, but here you go again, reposting it.

    Please provide some opinion polling of US jews supporting the idea that they want the same border policies for the US and Israel.

    jews are about 80% democrats (defacto supporting open borders for the US) and 80% pro-israel(defacto supporting closed borders for Israel)

    because 80% + 80% = 160% there must be a huge overlap between these groups.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.
     
    Whoa boy.

    Jack, AFAICT you're right about Netanyahu. He's a Jewish nationalist, but seems a consistent nationalist. His general view seems to be "the barbarians are at the gates!". Maybe he picked up some realist views of Africans in high school with you in Philadelphia (Montgomery County)? And i get the impression--from his nods and winks--that he'd like to see the West--particularly America--close their borders and survive. He wants healthy Western allies for Israel.

    But, of course, the reason Netanyahu doesn't come out and openly say "nationalism for all", "the West needs to keep the barbarians out" is precisely because

    Every single American establishment Jewish organization is pro-immigration, "drown-the-gentiles-in-diversity" open-borders lunacy ... while supporting Israel.

    Exactly "diversity for thee, but not for me". Or "anti-nationalism for thee; a nation for me".

    This is the median stance of American Jewry as well. Sure their are more true believing woke loons, and more actual American patriots (Stephen Miller types). But the median American Jew is still exactly this sort of anti-nationalism here, nationalism for Israel hypocrite--or simply "tribalist". The "we get to go anywhere and loot anywhere" ideology seems to be deeply woven in the Ashkenazi psyche. Zionism is a recent "nice to have" add-on.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.
     
    Puhleeze. First of all, not one Jewish organiztion in the mainstream is "open borders." They espouse bullshit like this:

    We were once strangers in a strange land. This is why ADL fights tirelessly for those making their own exodus from war and oppression. Historically we have called for just and humanitarian immigration policies.
     
    https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/discrimination/immigrant-refugee-rights

    This is the ADL, not some kooky left-wing organization. The point of all of this is to wrap up "Immigration and Refugee Rights" in the gauzy language of "rights," and down the rabbit hole we go.

    At the same time, the ADL will respond to the slightest imputation that Israel's human rights record isn't golden with outrage. What does Israel have to do with the ADL anyway? The ADL, I thought, is a US-based organization concerned with American issues.

    The central organization of mainstream organized US Jewry supports a foreign ethnostate while decrying ethnocentrism in the country where the ADL functions, as a result of the rights given to it by that country.

    I personally know a lot of Jews who don't support "open borders" and who can't stand the ADL's phoniness on this subject. But it's a glaring disconnect and I can't blame people who are looking at it from the outside getting angry at it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.
     
    Left is a relative term, especially when comparing Israeli politics to those of other western countries. Exactly what percentage of the Israeli electorate would even consider voting for a party that was as pro open-borders as 95% of political parties in other western countries? In the 2020 election, less than 20% voted for the Arab Joint List and the leftist Joint list combined. Normal western attitudes about immigration are well outside the Israeli mainstream.

    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.
     
    Netanyahu's fellow Likudnik Danny Danon (Deputy Minister of Defence/Minister for Science and Technology) was for closed borders in Israel and open-enough borders in Australia that Israel could offload some Africans there: Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia He explained:

    “The refugees’ place is not among us, and the initiative to transfer them to Australia is the right and just solution.
    “On the one hand, it treats the refugees and migrants in a humane way. On the other hand, it does not threaten Israel’s future and our goal to maintain a clear and solid Jewish majority,” he explained.
     
    Note that this article is from the conservative-leaning Jerusalem Post. Also in 2016-17 nearly 2000 Africans were resettled from Israel to Canada(link)

    According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), 1,880 Eritrean refugees were resettled to Canada from Israel in in 2016 and 2017, almost all of them through private sponsorship.
     
  35. anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @J
    @Dieter Kief

    Islam converts with the scimitar, only accepting the Prophet Mohammed saves from death in a jihad (sacred war). Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove. Judaism does not seek converts, and rejects those with some material incentive. We do not convert children and doubt conversions done for escaping the poverty of Africa.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @anonymous

    Christianity demands a declaration of true faith, which is rather difficult to prove.

    And what does “Judaism” demand?

    Judaism does not seek converts,

    Oh yes it does. It seeks to convert all children of Jews.

  36. @Dieter Kief
    Fake converts - that is interesting too. - No country for people of the wrong faith. So: There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there. - Perfectly clear that. A million miles away from the postmodernist - obfuscations elsewhere (in Harvard and at the Oberlin College and in Berlin etc. pp.). Premodern even, this Netanjahu man. -

    - Interesting contrast between him here and Angela Merkel and Jo Biden there. - Worlds in Collision - Immanuel Velikowsky // Pere Ubu.

    Replies: @J, @Jack D

    There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there.

    Israel has a law called “Law of Return”. The idea is that Israel was founded as a refuge for Jews so you would never again have a situation like the SS St. Louis where Jews were fleeing from (cough German cough) oppression but had no place to go. There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that). It’s called the Law of Return based on the premise that Jews were originally from Israel so when they emigrate to Israel they are merely going back home.

    Naturally the Law of Return doesn’t apply if you are an African animist or Christian since you are not “returning” to your homeland.

    • Replies: @Jon
    @Jack D


    There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state
     

    The world population is 32% Christian, 23% Muslim, 15% Hindu, 7% Buddhist, and 0.2% Jewish
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @black sea
    @Jack D


    There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that).
     
    Are there any countries that guarantee Christians, and only Christians, the right of return?

    Asking for a friend.
  37. anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel,

    Name one jew who is for open borders in Israel.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    This is a really good one.

    , @International Jew
    @anonymous

    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass... The majority of Israel's supreme court (going by their repeated thwarting of every attempt to expel the African rapefugees). Just go to haaretz.com and copy down all the names on the masthead.

    Replies: @anonymous

  38. Mr. Benj-yahoo, Mr. Benj-yaho, Mr. Benj-yahoo …. Dance.

  39. @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    Do you have any source that the Jews in USA want open borders in Israel ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @Cido

    I’ve been meaning to ask. Not many other Jews where I live, I’m not close with my cousins and my wife’s family all voted for Trump (they even support closed borders for America!). I’ve been sitting on my “open borders for Israel” line for some time now, looking for the first opportunity to use it.

    I would love to see Will Witt walk around New York sticking a camera in every Jew’s face to ask the obvious.

    , @Nachum
    @Cido

    To pick one random example, Bret Stephens once wrote a long column defending Israel against some charge or another but felt obligated to include the fact that his one criticism of Israel is that they aren't admitting African "refugees" with open arms.

    And that's on the right. (Well, in Stephens' case, the so-called "right.") On the left, pretty much every leftist Jew in America thinks Israel should be admitting "refugees" wholesale, and a whole bunch of Israel's very few leftists feel similarly.

    On the other hand, there are some Israeli leftists who are just fine with the wall, but probably think the US needs more immigrants, while there are at least some American Jewish "right-wingers" who defend anything Israel does, including this, but think Trump is eeeeevil for wanting to keep out Mexicans.

    But overall, I'd say there's no black-and-white distinction.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  40. “Fake Jews”. Sounds like a Trump one-liner.

  41. @Erik Sieven
    The world needs developed countries like Israel and Japan with policies showing that the often assumed inevitability of mass migration is a lie.

    Replies: @Hans

    And the Western world needs to expatriate its jews to Israel before we are destroyed by jewish demands for open borders.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/

    American activist Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of European ethnic societies. “Europe won’t SURVIVE” without non-white hordes” –

    Who’s the jewish guy who said they need to slow the pace down because the “new Americans” aren’t brainwashed with Holohoax propaganda and the jews risk losing their grip on the “nation”? Oh, it’s Steinlight – https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/07/great-masters-of-the-lie/

    Are there any prominent jews in Western nations calling for the protection of our borders besides Miller? Would love to hear of a second or third or even fourth. LOL

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Hans

    If I could use the "Troll" Button I would use it here.

  42. @Wilkey

    I prevented the overrunning of Israel, which is the only first-world country that you can walk to from Africa.
     
    What happened to South Africa? I thought it was First World?

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?

    Didn’t Israelis learn any lessons from the S.S. St Louis???

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    People struggle to think in the space between catastrophic and good. It would have been catastrophic for Israel to take in the Syrian refugees, so people can understand that. It was not catastrophic for Germany to take them in, so people instead think it was good, when obviously it was net bad for Germans.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    The Golan heights are mostly empty, and would provide ample space for refugee camps. Plus they are right next to Syria - almost as if they were part of Syria - and therefore convenient for refugees to easily return home. Yet somehow, some people deeded safer for refugees from Syria to travel to the Balkans and then trek into Germany.

    Leaving aside the issue about "refugees from Syria" as a category. A category that included Albanians, Iraqis, Kurds, Pakistanis, etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Not Only Wrathful

  43. @Polistra
    @International Jew

    The Arabs need to find a way to get weaponized by the left-wing Jews against the right-wing Jews, similar to what we do here in the USA. Start by calling the right-wing Jews racist, and the left-wing Jews too if they don't fall in line. Or don't they care about that?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish “Peace Now” activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over “human rights violations” in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel’s large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism – real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close – the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% – the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman – see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won’t let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders – that’s really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    "Yawn. Jack, I've been through this with you many times, and still you refuse to see what's as plain as the (probably long) nose on your face: Jewish minoritarianism has captured the key institutions -- the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies, even the greeting card companies -- and has corrupted and derailed any and all attempts to set up alternate outposts of Judenrein Kultur. The so-called 'good Catholics' are just acting at the behest of their Jewish financial masters, who control the real agenda the race traitors enact.

    "Why can't you just understand this? We need separate nations. And separate greeting card companies, too. And separate sodas. Why should I have to look at that ugly kosher certification symbol on a bottle of Coke?"

    Replies: @Jack D, @anonymous

    , @Jon
    @Jack D


    What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?
     

    Joe and Jill Biden are Roman Catholics - but all three of the Biden children married Jews
     
    https://www.thejc.com/news/world/joe-biden-s-very-jewish-family-1.508420

    “My daughter is Catholic. My son-in-law is Jewish,” she said. “Last week I celebrated my birthday and my grandchildren–ages 4 and 6–called to sing ‘Happy Birthday.’ And the surprise, the real gift, was that they sang it in Hebrew.”
     
    https://18doors.org/nancy_pelosis_interfaith_family/
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this.
     
    Figuring out what's wrong is easy--these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion--how they know they are "good people".

    As with Jews and blacks, I can't do much about them, but this past year i have carefully noted who has put out BLM or Biden yard signs so WTSHTF i'll know who to kill and eat first.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Anonymous, @International Jew

    , @silviosilver
    @Jack D


    The US still has a 70% white population
     
    Lol.

    What in the world possesses you to post howlers like this? Are you trying to prove just what a complete BSer you are or something?
  44. @anonymous
    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    ...

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Nachum, @Billy Corr, @Mr. XYZ

    TwoFiveZero, nice phrase “more chosen than others.”

  45. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered - allegedly (there's been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it's politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di's old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she'd have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.


    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.
     
    I imagine she's describing this jacket.

    https://www.hjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ken-wahl-jacket.jpg


    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!
     
    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @Tony

    Yet Another, so is that what happened? She accepted a ride from a uniformed LEO? At that time of night many would accept. Sad if true.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Buffalo Joe

    "so is that what happened? She accepted a ride from a uniformed LEO?"


    No one knows except the police who've interviewed him. But police officers will sometimes ask you to sit in the car if they're not going to arrest you but give you a lecture for some infraction where the paperwork makes a booking too much hassle (or they think you won't do it again).

    On this occasion (if reports are correct) she was walking home from a friends, which is probably in breach of the lockdown rules. So if he asked her to sit in the car while he questioned her about it, she'd obey (as would I).

  46. @Jack D
    @Polistra

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish "Peace Now" activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over "human rights violations" in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel's large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism - real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close - the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% - the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman - see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won't let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders - that's really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don't y'all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Jon, @AnotherDad, @silviosilver

    “Yawn. Jack, I’ve been through this with you many times, and still you refuse to see what’s as plain as the (probably long) nose on your face: Jewish minoritarianism has captured the key institutions — the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies, even the greeting card companies — and has corrupted and derailed any and all attempts to set up alternate outposts of Judenrein Kultur. The so-called ‘good Catholics’ are just acting at the behest of their Jewish financial masters, who control the real agenda the race traitors enact.

    “Why can’t you just understand this? We need separate nations. And separate greeting card companies, too. And separate sodas. Why should I have to look at that ugly kosher certification symbol on a bottle of Coke?”

    • Agree: 3g4me, Jon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Gary in Gramercy

    In a lot of 3rd world countries, local bottlers sometimes produce colas with a patriotic marketing spin to appeal to the locals - Inca Cola in Peru, Future Cola in China ("The Chinese people's own cola" is the product byline although strangely the name Future Cola is printed on the can in big letters in English), etc. Maybe we need Treyf Cola ("bacon flavored!) or Cracker Cola in America.

    Ironically, back in the 1930s, Coke, at the behest of the American Jewish community, reformulated its product to use vegetable glycerin rather than animal derived glycerin so that it could be certified as kosher (there is a tiny amount of glycerin in Coke - it is used as a flavor carrier for the secret flavoring extract). American Jews at that time were in an assimilationist mode and they wanted their kids to be able to enjoy a Coke with their non-Jewish friends and Coke wanted Jewish customers. They even disclosed their secret formula to Atlanta's rabbi so he could determine whether it contained only kosher ingredients.

    https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/the-real-thing-how-coke-became-kosher#:~:text=To%20document%20its%20compliance%20with,indeed%20meet%20Jewish%20dietary%20requirements.

    PS you need to remember to use the [sarc] tag - there are people around here who are literal minded enough to take you seriously.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @cliff arroyo

    , @anonymous
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Jews have captured the key institutions — the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies
     
    Good point. Yet Jack D would have us believe that a jewish owner or manager has no power over a gentile employee, or that Jeff Zucker’s power to influence and punish is no greater than Ricky Vaughn’s.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  47. @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    “People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.”

    You’ve been called out on this blatant lie multiple times on here, but here you go again, reposting it.

    Please provide some opinion polling of US jews supporting the idea that they want the same border policies for the US and Israel.

    jews are about 80% democrats (defacto supporting open borders for the US) and 80% pro-israel(defacto supporting closed borders for Israel)

    because 80% + 80% = 160% there must be a huge overlap between these groups.

  48. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed
     
    .
     
    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @anonymousperson, @Wade Hampton

    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    They’ve been doing that shit since they chose Barabbas.

    From Isabella of Spain: The Last Crusader by William Thomas Walsh (Sheed and Ward, 1935):

    XIV—THE JEWS’ ACTIVITIES IN SPAIN—THEIR PERSECUTION IN EUROPE—THE CONVERSOS—ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SPANISH INQUISITION

    …That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain… Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Córdoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios,“they aspired only to feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”

    Such a lovely people.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    "…That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain…"

    Yeah, but this could use a little context. The marauding barbarians of the late Roman era that eventually made it to Spain initially became Arian Christians, and like many newly-converted tribes, they were lax with respect to the particulars of their new religion and generally were more focused on the acquisition of loot and plunder. For example, they didn't care if the nearby Jews happened to own Christian slaves and weren't all that upset about moneylending/usury, either, and the rulers of the two groups got along comparatively well.

    Later, as that part of the continent became less chaotic, the more fastidiously orthodox Trinitarian Christians gained the upper hand, and they were more strict regarding Jewish ownership of Christians and other such hypocrisy, and that is arguably what started the long back-and-forth that led to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain many centuries later -- but it was a widely meandering back-and-forth. At times the Jews there were outright traitors to the local Christians, as you note (scheming with the Saracens to bring them in from Africa) but in other instances they bravely fought alongside them at great cost. Overall they did prefer Saracens and Arians to Trinitarians, but this was more about understandable self-interest than some innate scorpion-stinging-frog perfidy towards Christians.

    The Bible teaches that the three things that lead to Jewish downfall are 1) worshipping other gods 2) civil war and infighting and 3) backing the wrong geopolitical horse. (For example, First-Temple-era Jews were disastrously over-confident that their Egyptian allies would keep them safe from Nebuchadnezzar's clutches.) Their eventual expulsion of Spain is very much a case of 3).

    It should also be noted that their "important role in bringing the Saracens from Africa" did not end well for them:


    The “Father of Jewish History,” Heinrich Graetz, already mentioned the plot of the Jews of Visigothic Spain, noting that in 694 they purportedly "entered into an alliance with their more fortunate brethren in Africa, with the intention of overthrowing the Visigothic empire," and were "probably” aided in this attempt by the Muslims. The plot was discovered, and according to Graetz, all the Jews of Spain, Septimania and Narbonne were made slaves. [Geschichte der Juden (Leipzig, 1895), V, 140; English trans., History of the Jews (Philadelphia, 1894), III, 108….]
     
    Jews and the Muslim Conquest of Spain, Norman Roth, Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 38, No. 2 (Spring, 1976), pp. 145-158

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  49. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    "Yawn. Jack, I've been through this with you many times, and still you refuse to see what's as plain as the (probably long) nose on your face: Jewish minoritarianism has captured the key institutions -- the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies, even the greeting card companies -- and has corrupted and derailed any and all attempts to set up alternate outposts of Judenrein Kultur. The so-called 'good Catholics' are just acting at the behest of their Jewish financial masters, who control the real agenda the race traitors enact.

    "Why can't you just understand this? We need separate nations. And separate greeting card companies, too. And separate sodas. Why should I have to look at that ugly kosher certification symbol on a bottle of Coke?"

    Replies: @Jack D, @anonymous

    In a lot of 3rd world countries, local bottlers sometimes produce colas with a patriotic marketing spin to appeal to the locals – Inca Cola in Peru, Future Cola in China (“The Chinese people’s own cola” is the product byline although strangely the name Future Cola is printed on the can in big letters in English), etc. Maybe we need Treyf Cola (“bacon flavored!) or Cracker Cola in America.

    Ironically, back in the 1930s, Coke, at the behest of the American Jewish community, reformulated its product to use vegetable glycerin rather than animal derived glycerin so that it could be certified as kosher (there is a tiny amount of glycerin in Coke – it is used as a flavor carrier for the secret flavoring extract). American Jews at that time were in an assimilationist mode and they wanted their kids to be able to enjoy a Coke with their non-Jewish friends and Coke wanted Jewish customers. They even disclosed their secret formula to Atlanta’s rabbi so he could determine whether it contained only kosher ingredients.

    https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/the-real-thing-how-coke-became-kosher#:~:text=To%20document%20its%20compliance%20with,indeed%20meet%20Jewish%20dietary%20requirements.

    PS you need to remember to use the [sarc] tag – there are people around here who are literal minded enough to take you seriously.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    I see what you mean, but I prefer to treat the iSteve commentariat as a group of intelligent individuals (many frighteningly so, and knowledgeable on an astonishing array of subjects), capable of reading and understanding my posts without signalling from me. This bunch doesn't need to see the word "SARCASM" in neon lights -- as if it were a musical revue based on the life of Doug Piranha -- to know it when they see it.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @cliff arroyo
    @Jack D

    " Inca Cola in Peru"

    Inca Cola is not a cola... it's yellow and has kind of... bubblegum flavor.

    https://www.peruvian-grocery-shop.com/2672/inca-kola-original-flavor.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Kola

  50. anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    "Yawn. Jack, I've been through this with you many times, and still you refuse to see what's as plain as the (probably long) nose on your face: Jewish minoritarianism has captured the key institutions -- the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies, even the greeting card companies -- and has corrupted and derailed any and all attempts to set up alternate outposts of Judenrein Kultur. The so-called 'good Catholics' are just acting at the behest of their Jewish financial masters, who control the real agenda the race traitors enact.

    "Why can't you just understand this? We need separate nations. And separate greeting card companies, too. And separate sodas. Why should I have to look at that ugly kosher certification symbol on a bottle of Coke?"

    Replies: @Jack D, @anonymous

    Jews have captured the key institutions — the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies

    Good point. Yet Jack D would have us believe that a jewish owner or manager has no power over a gentile employee, or that Jeff Zucker’s power to influence and punish is no greater than Ricky Vaughn’s.

    • LOL: Dissident
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @anonymous

    "Jack D. told me, yes he warned me, there'd be dolts like you.

    "He also told me, 'use the [sarc] tag,' those putzes can't take a joke.

    "But I said no, these guys are smart, they know their day from night,

    "And now I find, to my dismay, that old Jack D. was right..."

    "Why don't they laugh? Did I make a gaffe? They just seem a little lame,

    "Commenters, commenters, autistic's your middle name -- name -- name!"


    (To the tune of "Surrender," by Cheap Trick)

    Replies: @anon

  51. 1948 – 1977. Israel was a great country………then?

  52. @Jack D
    @Polistra

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish "Peace Now" activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over "human rights violations" in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel's large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism - real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close - the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% - the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman - see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won't let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders - that's really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don't y'all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Jon, @AnotherDad, @silviosilver

    What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Joe and Jill Biden are Roman Catholics – but all three of the Biden children married Jews

    https://www.thejc.com/news/world/joe-biden-s-very-jewish-family-1.508420

    “My daughter is Catholic. My son-in-law is Jewish,” she said. “Last week I celebrated my birthday and my grandchildren–ages 4 and 6–called to sing ‘Happy Birthday.’ And the surprise, the real gift, was that they sang it in Hebrew.”

    https://18doors.org/nancy_pelosis_interfaith_family/

  53. @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    Whoa boy.

    Jack, AFAICT you’re right about Netanyahu. He’s a Jewish nationalist, but seems a consistent nationalist. His general view seems to be “the barbarians are at the gates!”. Maybe he picked up some realist views of Africans in high school with you in Philadelphia (Montgomery County)? And i get the impression–from his nods and winks–that he’d like to see the West–particularly America–close their borders and survive. He wants healthy Western allies for Israel.

    But, of course, the reason Netanyahu doesn’t come out and openly say “nationalism for all”, “the West needs to keep the barbarians out” is precisely because

    Every single American establishment Jewish organization is pro-immigration, “drown-the-gentiles-in-diversity” open-borders lunacy … while supporting Israel.

    Exactly “diversity for thee, but not for me”. Or “anti-nationalism for thee; a nation for me”.

    This is the median stance of American Jewry as well. Sure their are more true believing woke loons, and more actual American patriots (Stephen Miller types). But the median American Jew is still exactly this sort of anti-nationalism here, nationalism for Israel hypocrite–or simply “tribalist”. The “we get to go anywhere and loot anywhere” ideology seems to be deeply woven in the Ashkenazi psyche. Zionism is a recent “nice to have” add-on.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @AnotherDad

    Probably 99.9% of the nominally Jewish, non-small organizations are really just left-wing front groups.

    If you can afford to stick around Another 50 years or so, those groups will be way less numerous, smaller, as Jewish as a ham sandwich, non-influential, but more strident and desperate than ever.

    The minoritarianism (e.g. support for BIG public education) of which you daily decry, took over this country in the late 19th century. The wave of tempest tossed Jews who came to these shores, during that time, didn’t speak much English so I doubt that they had much to do with tipping the scales against you.

    Too much, too late.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

  54. @Jack D
    @Dieter Kief


    There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there.
     
    Israel has a law called "Law of Return". The idea is that Israel was founded as a refuge for Jews so you would never again have a situation like the SS St. Louis where Jews were fleeing from (cough German cough) oppression but had no place to go. There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that). It's called the Law of Return based on the premise that Jews were originally from Israel so when they emigrate to Israel they are merely going back home.

    Naturally the Law of Return doesn't apply if you are an African animist or Christian since you are not "returning" to your homeland.

    Replies: @Jon, @black sea

    There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state

    The world population is 32% Christian, 23% Muslim, 15% Hindu, 7% Buddhist, and 0.2% Jewish

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon

    You're not countering Jack's point, you reinforce it.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @Jon, @HammerJack

  55. @Jack D
    @Gary in Gramercy

    In a lot of 3rd world countries, local bottlers sometimes produce colas with a patriotic marketing spin to appeal to the locals - Inca Cola in Peru, Future Cola in China ("The Chinese people's own cola" is the product byline although strangely the name Future Cola is printed on the can in big letters in English), etc. Maybe we need Treyf Cola ("bacon flavored!) or Cracker Cola in America.

    Ironically, back in the 1930s, Coke, at the behest of the American Jewish community, reformulated its product to use vegetable glycerin rather than animal derived glycerin so that it could be certified as kosher (there is a tiny amount of glycerin in Coke - it is used as a flavor carrier for the secret flavoring extract). American Jews at that time were in an assimilationist mode and they wanted their kids to be able to enjoy a Coke with their non-Jewish friends and Coke wanted Jewish customers. They even disclosed their secret formula to Atlanta's rabbi so he could determine whether it contained only kosher ingredients.

    https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/the-real-thing-how-coke-became-kosher#:~:text=To%20document%20its%20compliance%20with,indeed%20meet%20Jewish%20dietary%20requirements.

    PS you need to remember to use the [sarc] tag - there are people around here who are literal minded enough to take you seriously.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @cliff arroyo

    I see what you mean, but I prefer to treat the iSteve commentariat as a group of intelligent individuals (many frighteningly so, and knowledgeable on an astonishing array of subjects), capable of reading and understanding my posts without signalling from me. This bunch doesn’t need to see the word “SARCASM” in neon lights — as if it were a musical revue based on the life of Doug Piranha — to know it when they see it.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I saw the humor - but it appears Jack D didn't. He and Rod Dreher would get along great.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  56. @Jack D
    @Polistra

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish "Peace Now" activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over "human rights violations" in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel's large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism - real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close - the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% - the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman - see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won't let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders - that's really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don't y'all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Jon, @AnotherDad, @silviosilver

    Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this.

    Figuring out what’s wrong is easy–these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion–how they know they are “good people”.

    As with Jews and blacks, I can’t do much about them, but this past year i have carefully noted who has put out BLM or Biden yard signs so WTSHTF i’ll know who to kill and eat first.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @AnotherDad

    Since you don't seem the "fava beans and a nice Chianti" type, you may find this article of interest when you commence your murderous culinary rampages:

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1585591

    ["Zombie Apocalypse: Singer Maynard Keenan Weighs In On Wine Pairings For Human Flesh"]

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    Figuring out what’s wrong is easy–these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion–how they know they are “good people”.
     
    If you’re wondering why Whites are so timid about about asserting their racial interests, there’s a simple reason why.

    That reason is not “White guilt.”
    That reason is not “empathy.”
    That reason is not “high mindedness.”

    That reason is FEAR.

    Whites know that if they say one wrong word, they could ruin their life instantaneously. Heck, just by failing to condemn racism in the strongest terms available, you can easily ruin your life.

    You can get fired from your job, financially ruined, slandered by the media, harassed on social media, and viewed as a pariah by mainstream society. In very serious cases, you can get subjected to violence from Anti-Fa and/or a Black mob.

    This is why Whites behave in such a deferential matter with respect to racial issues.

    It’s FEAR of losing it all that keeps Whites in check.

    However, if you go back many decades ago (especially pre-60s), there were minimal (if any) penalties associated with racist speech. That’s why Whites used to advocate for their interests so forcefully back in the old days.

    Imagine you have a society full of religious Catholics. Then the Lutherans invade the country, decimate the Catholic Churches, and persecute all fervent Catholics. What would you expect to happen in such a society?

    3 things

    1. Mass conversion from Catholicism to Lutheranism.
    2. Ambitious people becoming especially likely to advocate Lutheran theology.
    3. Ordinary people becoming very hesitant to make any pro-Catholic or anti-Lutheran statements.

    Whites aren’t as foolish as everyone here perceives. By becoming “Woke” on racial issues, Whites are making a strategic decision that’s actually quite shrewd on an individual level.

    It may not be a shrewd decision on a group level, but you have to remember that Whites have no group solidarity left. They’ve become very individualistic and socially isolated from one another in recent times. They inhabit a social milieu that’s highly atomized. So Whites behave as individuals, not members of a group.

    Unfortunately, what makes sense on an individual level is harmful on a group level. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma.

    As to the question of why individual White leaders/activists don’t attempt to organize their population into a cohesive and united group, it’s because those individuals would be punished harshly. So would anyone who collaborated.

    You have to remember that the overwhelming majority of Whites are highly emasculated and effete these days, having been softened up by generations of comfort, affluence, and easy living. The average White no longer has any fight left in him. He just wants to enjoy life, have fun, eat out, go shopping, take vacations, watch sports ball, drink beer. He’s not looking to risk it all in some type of racial confrontation. So even if most Whites secretly hate PC, they’re not going to take a bullet fighting back.

    As to the question of why the ruling class is so fanatically hostile to Whites, it’s because Jews supplanted Anglo-Saxons decades ago. Once in power, the new Jewish elites began harshly persecuting Whites who advocated for White interests. At this point, the persecution is comically over the top.

    To be sure, there are many White Gentiles left in the elite, but they are kept in check through a combination of bribery, coercion, and Epstein-style sexual blackmail. For example, Bill Clinton.

    White Gentile elites are the outer party. Jewish elites are the inner party.

    Jewish elites know they need allies. So they stoke Black rage. They also promote an extreme amount of immigration into the US, then brainwash those immigrants (and more especially their kids) into becoming enemies of “White privilege.” Blacks and non-white immigrants have been turned into the fifth column of America.

    White racism is the Emmanuel Goldstein of our empire. Failure to condemn Goldstein in the harshest terms will result in punishment.

    Watch this clip below to better understand why so many Whites are so eager to fight White racism.

    https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y

    Some have predicted that in the near future, a debt crisis will destroy our currency and cause the current regime to collapse. If that ever happens, then you will see the number of “Woke” Whites plummet dramatically. If there comes a time when Jews lose power, Whites will stop this racial self-flagellation very quickly. If there comes a day when Whites no longer have to fear being punished for being politically incorrect, you will see a massive change in how Whites discuss racial issues.

    FEAR of punishment keeps Whites in line.

    (Reposted from JohnnyWalker123)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @International Jew
    @AnotherDad


    For many this is their post-Christian religion
     
    It's not post-Christian, it's hyper-Christian. It's the universalistic we're-all-brothers ethic — which was Christianity's great innovation that separated it from Judaism — finally detached from the moderating influence of Christians' traditional hypocrisy.

    What's destroying America now isn't Judaized Christians. And the Jewish contingent involved in the destruction constitutes Christianized (in the above sense) Jews.
  57. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this.
     
    Figuring out what's wrong is easy--these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion--how they know they are "good people".

    As with Jews and blacks, I can't do much about them, but this past year i have carefully noted who has put out BLM or Biden yard signs so WTSHTF i'll know who to kill and eat first.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Anonymous, @International Jew

    Since you don’t seem the “fava beans and a nice Chianti” type, you may find this article of interest when you commence your murderous culinary rampages:

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1585591

    [“Zombie Apocalypse: Singer Maynard Keenan Weighs In On Wine Pairings For Human Flesh”]

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Who makes sicker novelists, men or women? Thomas Harris or Patricia Highsmith?

    (Flannery O'Connor doesn't count because she disapproved of her characters and their deeds.)

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  58. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered - allegedly (there's been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it's politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di's old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she'd have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.


    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.
     
    I imagine she's describing this jacket.

    https://www.hjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ken-wahl-jacket.jpg


    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!
     
    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @Tony

    2011 op-headline from her is good as well:

    Who are these royal wedding fans? One doesn’t know such people socially

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2011/apr/19/lost-in-royal-showbiz-fans

    (—though the crack team of webmasters or mxsters of the Grauniad seem to have misplaced a few semantics from the ending of the subhed)

  59. anonymous[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    My favorite African religious fact is the tribe which arrived at the god and devil dualism model, recognizes the goodness of the one god, but sacrifices to the devil: because god is already on your side.

    Replies: @Pericles, @anonymous

    As a Jew I hope rather than joke around, you call for the Ethiopian Jews to be able to return.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    >Dear Fellow Jews, Open Borders For Israel
    Oh, I finally get it.

    Replies: @anonymous

  60. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.
     
    Whoa boy.

    Jack, AFAICT you're right about Netanyahu. He's a Jewish nationalist, but seems a consistent nationalist. His general view seems to be "the barbarians are at the gates!". Maybe he picked up some realist views of Africans in high school with you in Philadelphia (Montgomery County)? And i get the impression--from his nods and winks--that he'd like to see the West--particularly America--close their borders and survive. He wants healthy Western allies for Israel.

    But, of course, the reason Netanyahu doesn't come out and openly say "nationalism for all", "the West needs to keep the barbarians out" is precisely because

    Every single American establishment Jewish organization is pro-immigration, "drown-the-gentiles-in-diversity" open-borders lunacy ... while supporting Israel.

    Exactly "diversity for thee, but not for me". Or "anti-nationalism for thee; a nation for me".

    This is the median stance of American Jewry as well. Sure their are more true believing woke loons, and more actual American patriots (Stephen Miller types). But the median American Jew is still exactly this sort of anti-nationalism here, nationalism for Israel hypocrite--or simply "tribalist". The "we get to go anywhere and loot anywhere" ideology seems to be deeply woven in the Ashkenazi psyche. Zionism is a recent "nice to have" add-on.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Probably 99.9% of the nominally Jewish, non-small organizations are really just left-wing front groups.

    If you can afford to stick around Another 50 years or so, those groups will be way less numerous, smaller, as Jewish as a ham sandwich, non-influential, but more strident and desperate than ever.

    [MORE]

    The minoritarianism (e.g. support for BIG public education) of which you daily decry, took over this country in the late 19th century. The wave of tempest tossed Jews who came to these shores, during that time, didn’t speak much English so I doubt that they had much to do with tipping the scales against you.

    Too much, too late.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Abolish_public_education

    50 years from now US Jews will likely be immigrating en masse to Israel and when they leave they will likely have created a fleeing oppression narrative. South Africa and Post soviet russia are two examples of this behavior. They act as a hostile elite and push for radical change and then leave when the place falls apart.

  61. @Jon
    @Jack D


    There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state
     

    The world population is 32% Christian, 23% Muslim, 15% Hindu, 7% Buddhist, and 0.2% Jewish
     

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You’re not countering Jack’s point, you reinforce it.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Reg Cæsar

    There’s less than 200 countries. Going by numbers jews should get at best a half of country. If you were going to benchmark it off Christianity (nowhere near that percentage of countries are exclusively Christian) then it’s an abomination to fairness for Jews to get to maintain an effectively racial supremacist state considering their numbers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jews get one little country BECAUSE they are one little speck of the population.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar

    Consider, for instance, that Jack is treating the USA as a 'Christian' country.

  62. @Gary in Gramercy
    @AnotherDad

    Since you don't seem the "fava beans and a nice Chianti" type, you may find this article of interest when you commence your murderous culinary rampages:

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1585591

    ["Zombie Apocalypse: Singer Maynard Keenan Weighs In On Wine Pairings For Human Flesh"]

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Who makes sicker novelists, men or women? Thomas Harris or Patricia Highsmith?

    (Flannery O’Connor doesn’t count because she disapproved of her characters and their deeds.)

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    I confess I've never read anything by Patricia Highsmith (I read fiction infrequently). I've made it through three of Thomas Harris's Hannibal Lecter novels (all save Hannibal Rising), and none of them were even a fraction as chilling as Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery."

    Male authors are better at everyday blood and guts; authoresses are infinitely superior at psychological torture. Just like in real life.

  63. @Clyde

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?
     
    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    Replies: @WJ, @Bardon Kaldian, @Nodwink, @Matt Buckalew, @Anonymous

    Lol when did Israel withdrawal from the convention on refugees.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Matt Buckalew


    Lol when did Israel withdrawal from the convention on refugees.
     
    Did they sign on Mr. Jealous respirator?
  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon

    You're not countering Jack's point, you reinforce it.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @Jon, @HammerJack

    There’s less than 200 countries. Going by numbers jews should get at best a half of country. If you were going to benchmark it off Christianity (nowhere near that percentage of countries are exclusively Christian) then it’s an abomination to fairness for Jews to get to maintain an effectively racial supremacist state considering their numbers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Matt Buckalew

    They have to go somewhere.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

  65. @Dumbo

    We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed
     
    .
     
    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @anonymousperson, @Wade Hampton

    Typical Jewish hypocrisy.

  66. Israel aside, it seems that most anti-judaist rhetoric is based on assumptions that US Jews somehow control the US, or at least public discourse re self-definition of America.

    This is not true.

    Jews are over-represented in US oligarchic structures & they constitute ca. 15-20% of elites. But most of the big players are deracinated white Gentiles who don’t give a hoot about the historical US. Where are Gates, Bezos, Buffet or Murdoch when it comes to funding & defending proper American identity (Washington, Lee, Jefferson, Twain,…)? Nowhere to be seen. Does anyone seriously believe that Soros is so powerful that he could fund everything, from BLM to suicidal Democrats’ policies?

    Where are “real”, WASPy American intellectuals, media personalities, moneyed elites, …? What are they doing?

    [MORE]

    You could abolish all Jewish media blather & their ethnic lobbies (ADL, AIPAC, …) & things would not be much different. With most Protestant churches & Catholic Church preaching unlimited immigration, multiculturalism & la-di-da idiocies, things would be more or less the same.

    Let’s see popular media figures. Does anyone sincerely believe that Colbert, Kimmel, O’Brien, Brzezinski, Maddow,  … are Jewish pawns in some globalist multiculturalist plot?

    This is all tiresome.

    True, most US Jews are leftists-multiculturalists. Their organized institutions will not fight for historic American nation; they are, certainly because of history, mostly uneasy about true, blood-and-soil identity peoples among whom they dwell. A big chunk of them after WW2 had adopted a position of antipathy or something similar towards European peoples, and when they could, they pushed for ethnic swamping of the US, Europe, Australia, Canada,… They, as a distinctive population, don’t have activist groups struggling for preservation of historic “white” lands. I don’t have any illusion about them as activists- they are not friends, far from that.

    Just:

    a) they can’t achieve anything where local peoples don’t accept this mutiracial shit. They can’t do anything in Hungary, Poland, Russia, Argentina, ….. Only when local power structures are either greedy or loony, this can happen. Is Angela Merkel a pawn for anti-German Jews. If you think so, I’ve got a Taj Mahal to sell. Simply, Germans, as most affluent whites are decadent loons when it comes to national identity. Danes, for instance, are not. French are a mixture, but it’s not Jews behind French & Italian cowardly behavior toward immigration problems.

    b) if one thinks that Jewish activists & their media manipulation have somehow mentally disfigured various white peoples – then, mostly Anglo white peoples don’t have a right to exist. If “Jews” have achieved that Robert E. Lee, Ronald Fisher or Washington got cancelled- then, those people who have let them get away with it, should vanish from the face of earth. They, along with their multiculti Jews & Afro-Asian-Mestizo stew, will be replaced by more normal & functioning peoples. 

    • Agree: Dissident
  67. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this.
     
    Figuring out what's wrong is easy--these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion--how they know they are "good people".

    As with Jews and blacks, I can't do much about them, but this past year i have carefully noted who has put out BLM or Biden yard signs so WTSHTF i'll know who to kill and eat first.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Anonymous, @International Jew

    Figuring out what’s wrong is easy–these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion–how they know they are “good people”.

    If you’re wondering why Whites are so timid about about asserting their racial interests, there’s a simple reason why.

    That reason is not “White guilt.”
    That reason is not “empathy.”
    That reason is not “high mindedness.”

    [MORE]

    That reason is FEAR.

    Whites know that if they say one wrong word, they could ruin their life instantaneously. Heck, just by failing to condemn racism in the strongest terms available, you can easily ruin your life.

    You can get fired from your job, financially ruined, slandered by the media, harassed on social media, and viewed as a pariah by mainstream society. In very serious cases, you can get subjected to violence from Anti-Fa and/or a Black mob.

    This is why Whites behave in such a deferential matter with respect to racial issues.

    It’s FEAR of losing it all that keeps Whites in check.

    However, if you go back many decades ago (especially pre-60s), there were minimal (if any) penalties associated with racist speech. That’s why Whites used to advocate for their interests so forcefully back in the old days.

    Imagine you have a society full of religious Catholics. Then the Lutherans invade the country, decimate the Catholic Churches, and persecute all fervent Catholics. What would you expect to happen in such a society?

    3 things

    1. Mass conversion from Catholicism to Lutheranism.
    2. Ambitious people becoming especially likely to advocate Lutheran theology.
    3. Ordinary people becoming very hesitant to make any pro-Catholic or anti-Lutheran statements.

    Whites aren’t as foolish as everyone here perceives. By becoming “Woke” on racial issues, Whites are making a strategic decision that’s actually quite shrewd on an individual level.

    It may not be a shrewd decision on a group level, but you have to remember that Whites have no group solidarity left. They’ve become very individualistic and socially isolated from one another in recent times. They inhabit a social milieu that’s highly atomized. So Whites behave as individuals, not members of a group.

    Unfortunately, what makes sense on an individual level is harmful on a group level. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma.

    As to the question of why individual White leaders/activists don’t attempt to organize their population into a cohesive and united group, it’s because those individuals would be punished harshly. So would anyone who collaborated.

    You have to remember that the overwhelming majority of Whites are highly emasculated and effete these days, having been softened up by generations of comfort, affluence, and easy living. The average White no longer has any fight left in him. He just wants to enjoy life, have fun, eat out, go shopping, take vacations, watch sports ball, drink beer. He’s not looking to risk it all in some type of racial confrontation. So even if most Whites secretly hate PC, they’re not going to take a bullet fighting back.

    As to the question of why the ruling class is so fanatically hostile to Whites, it’s because Jews supplanted Anglo-Saxons decades ago. Once in power, the new Jewish elites began harshly persecuting Whites who advocated for White interests. At this point, the persecution is comically over the top.

    To be sure, there are many White Gentiles left in the elite, but they are kept in check through a combination of bribery, coercion, and Epstein-style sexual blackmail. For example, Bill Clinton.

    White Gentile elites are the outer party. Jewish elites are the inner party.

    Jewish elites know they need allies. So they stoke Black rage. They also promote an extreme amount of immigration into the US, then brainwash those immigrants (and more especially their kids) into becoming enemies of “White privilege.” Blacks and non-white immigrants have been turned into the fifth column of America.

    White racism is the Emmanuel Goldstein of our empire. Failure to condemn Goldstein in the harshest terms will result in punishment.

    Watch this clip below to better understand why so many Whites are so eager to fight White racism.

    Some have predicted that in the near future, a debt crisis will destroy our currency and cause the current regime to collapse. If that ever happens, then you will see the number of “Woke” Whites plummet dramatically. If there comes a time when Jews lose power, Whites will stop this racial self-flagellation very quickly. If there comes a day when Whites no longer have to fear being punished for being politically incorrect, you will see a massive change in how Whites discuss racial issues.

    FEAR of punishment keeps Whites in line.

    (Reposted from JohnnyWalker123)

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    I remember writing a post very similar to that! LOL.

    I should write a small addendum to that post.

    I do think Whites of Northern Euro origin (Anglos, Dutch, Scandinavians, Germans) are, on average, more civic-minded than other ethnic groups. I also think that a certain proportion of them really do have what you could call "White guilt." However, the overwhelming majority of Whites still believe in policies that advance their interests (within reason) and disdain anything excessively foolish.

    For example, the median White believes in sending food and water to refugees. However, he doesn't want to bring millions of refugees into America. Especially not if they're Muslim or African. The problem is that Whites no longer live in anything resembling a democracy, so decisions are made by powerful Jewish oligarchs. If you dissent from their agenda, they'll call you a "racist" and ruin your life. They'll get you fired and get you banished from the middle-class.

    Another example. The median White believes it's okay to teach about all aspects of American history (including negative aspects like slavery and segregation), but he's still generally positive and upbeat about the accomplishments of past generations of Americans. He thinks America might be imperfect, but who isn't? He still thinks America is the best country in the world. However, Whites no longer get to write their own history books for school students. The writing of history is outsourced to perpetually outraged Blacks. So you end up with history curriculum that obssesses over America's shortcomings. If a White teacher should point out that these Blacks are aggrieved race fanatics, he will be fired from his job and NEVER will teach again. No more pension for him.

    So even if Whites are nicer and more fair-minded than other ethnic groups, there are limits to what they'll voluntarily accept. The basic problem is that Whites no longer run their own countries. Jewish elites long ago supplanted Anglo-Saxon elites. Once in power, they used the machinery of govt to punish White race resisters.

    TLDR Summary: Whites are nicer than other races, but they're not suicidal. However, White countries are run by Jewish elites these days. Since Whites don't want to get fired from their jobs and tarred&featherd by the media, they shut their mouth (and often nod alone) to the insanity. While there are true believers, most cucked Whites are kept in line by FEAR.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  68. @Reg Cæsar
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Who makes sicker novelists, men or women? Thomas Harris or Patricia Highsmith?

    (Flannery O'Connor doesn't count because she disapproved of her characters and their deeds.)

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I confess I’ve never read anything by Patricia Highsmith (I read fiction infrequently). I’ve made it through three of Thomas Harris’s Hannibal Lecter novels (all save Hannibal Rising), and none of them were even a fraction as chilling as Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery.”

    Male authors are better at everyday blood and guts; authoresses are infinitely superior at psychological torture. Just like in real life.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  69. @Jack D
    @Gary in Gramercy

    In a lot of 3rd world countries, local bottlers sometimes produce colas with a patriotic marketing spin to appeal to the locals - Inca Cola in Peru, Future Cola in China ("The Chinese people's own cola" is the product byline although strangely the name Future Cola is printed on the can in big letters in English), etc. Maybe we need Treyf Cola ("bacon flavored!) or Cracker Cola in America.

    Ironically, back in the 1930s, Coke, at the behest of the American Jewish community, reformulated its product to use vegetable glycerin rather than animal derived glycerin so that it could be certified as kosher (there is a tiny amount of glycerin in Coke - it is used as a flavor carrier for the secret flavoring extract). American Jews at that time were in an assimilationist mode and they wanted their kids to be able to enjoy a Coke with their non-Jewish friends and Coke wanted Jewish customers. They even disclosed their secret formula to Atlanta's rabbi so he could determine whether it contained only kosher ingredients.

    https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/the-real-thing-how-coke-became-kosher#:~:text=To%20document%20its%20compliance%20with,indeed%20meet%20Jewish%20dietary%20requirements.

    PS you need to remember to use the [sarc] tag - there are people around here who are literal minded enough to take you seriously.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @cliff arroyo

    ” Inca Cola in Peru”

    Inca Cola is not a cola… it’s yellow and has kind of… bubblegum flavor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Kola

  70. @anonymous
    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    ...

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Nachum, @Billy Corr, @Mr. XYZ

    To be clear, these are not Ethiopian Jews but Christians claiming Jewish relations. Even Israeli Ethiopian Jews aren’t all in favor of bringing them over. And to be frank, there are organizations and individuals that were devoted to bringing over Ethiopian Jews that, their mission done, can’t (as all organizations) just declare victory and close up shop. So one senses that no matter how many times we’re told that “the last Ethiopian Jews have been brought over,” there will always be another thousand or so to go. Funny how that works.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Thanks: Clyde
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Nachum

    There is a clearly identified group of about 7,500 still remaining in Ethiopia. Your concerns about another wave after this are unfounded and just made up to cover discrimination against Ethiopians with Jewish heritage.

    Replies: @Nachum

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Nachum

    If they convert to Judaism, then there should be less problems, no? Sure, their conversions could be insincere, but that's nothing that a couple of generations of intermarriage with Jews can't fix! :)

  71. @anonymous
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Jews have captured the key institutions — the media, the universities, the courts, the advertising agencies
     
    Good point. Yet Jack D would have us believe that a jewish owner or manager has no power over a gentile employee, or that Jeff Zucker’s power to influence and punish is no greater than Ricky Vaughn’s.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Jack D. told me, yes he warned me, there’d be dolts like you.

    “He also told me, ‘use the [sarc] tag,’ those putzes can’t take a joke.

    “But I said no, these guys are smart, they know their day from night,

    “And now I find, to my dismay, that old Jack D. was right…”

    “Why don’t they laugh? Did I make a gaffe? They just seem a little lame,

    “Commenters, commenters, autistic’s your middle name — name — name!”

    (To the tune of “Surrender,” by Cheap Trick)

    • Replies: @anon
    @Gary in Gramercy


    “He also told me, ‘use the [sarc] tag,’
     
    It’s not sarcastic if it is true.
  72. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    There are a bunch more tribes in Eastern Africa that have vaguely Jewish customs and would like the option to move to Israel.

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Paperback Writer

    The Ethiopians who were airlifted to Israel en masse have zero genetic relationship to any other Jewish community, and historically not much more. The creation of “Jews” in Ethiopia was entirely political. The other Judaic groups, and the guys who are still in Ethiopia, have just as much a claim on going to Israel as the ones who were transported there in the 80s and 90s. In short, the Israelis imported a race problem.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Paperback Writer


    The Ethiopians who were airlifted to Israel en masse have zero genetic relationship to any other Jewish community, and historically not much more. The creation of “Jews” in Ethiopia was entirely political. The other Judaic groups, and the guys who are still in Ethiopia, have just as much a claim on going to Israel as the ones who were transported there in the 80s and 90s. In short, the Israelis imported a race problem.
     
    Why did Israel import them? To make a show of non-racism to the UN etc. Beacuse of always ongoing tensions and dramatic negotiations with the Paleostinians with their Yasser Arafat. Those days are gone. The Paleostinians are gone as a tool for XXX powers ever since Europe saw the Muslims of Syria entering into self destruct mode with millions killed with countless concrete rebar buildings wasted by artillery and bombs. Then off-loading their war torn idiots to Germany/EU. My take is if when you destruct your Muslim nation. Europe should keep you out. Go do your brainwashed Allah etc. thing in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
  73. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    It’s more than vague customs that they have in common. Their languages are also related.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroasiatic_languages

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Semitic languages are spoken in Africa because from the 10th to 7th centuries BC people from the Arabian peninsula crossed the tiny strait between the Horn and South Arabia and brought their language (and their genes) with them.

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon

    You're not countering Jack's point, you reinforce it.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @Jon, @HammerJack

    Jews get one little country BECAUSE they are one little speck of the population.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jon


    Jews get one little country BECAUSE they are one little speck of the population.
     
    But this “tiny speck of the population” also gets multiple big countries (the United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Russia, Spain) and many smaller ones (in Latin America and so forth).

    Your argument doesn’t work.
  75. @Hans
    @Erik Sieven

    And the Western world needs to expatriate its jews to Israel before we are destroyed by jewish demands for open borders.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/

    American activist Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of European ethnic societies. "Europe won't SURVIVE" without non-white hordes" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ERmOpZrKtw

    Who's the jewish guy who said they need to slow the pace down because the "new Americans" aren't brainwashed with Holohoax propaganda and the jews risk losing their grip on the "nation"? Oh, it's Steinlight - https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/07/great-masters-of-the-lie/

    Are there any prominent jews in Western nations calling for the protection of our borders besides Miller? Would love to hear of a second or third or even fourth. LOL

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

    If I could use the “Troll” Button I would use it here.

  76. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Only Wrathful
    @Wilkey

    People struggle to think in the space between catastrophic and good. It would have been catastrophic for Israel to take in the Syrian refugees, so people can understand that. It was not catastrophic for Germany to take them in, so people instead think it was good, when obviously it was net bad for Germans.

    Replies: @anon

    The Golan heights are mostly empty, and would provide ample space for refugee camps. Plus they are right next to Syria – almost as if they were part of Syria – and therefore convenient for refugees to easily return home. Yet somehow, some people deeded safer for refugees from Syria to travel to the Balkans and then trek into Germany.

    Leaving aside the issue about “refugees from Syria” as a category. A category that included Albanians, Iraqis, Kurds, Pakistanis, etc.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Some Syrian refugees in 2015 no doubt grew up in the Golan Heights.

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @anon

    Absolutely. As you recognise, mass Syrian refugees are an existential threat to Israeli sovereignty. They aren't to Germany however, as the last few years have shown. This elegantly explains the difference between attitudes to both.

  77. @Buffalo Joe
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yet Another, so is that what happened? She accepted a ride from a uniformed LEO? At that time of night many would accept. Sad if true.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “so is that what happened? She accepted a ride from a uniformed LEO?”

    No one knows except the police who’ve interviewed him. But police officers will sometimes ask you to sit in the car if they’re not going to arrest you but give you a lecture for some infraction where the paperwork makes a booking too much hassle (or they think you won’t do it again).

    On this occasion (if reports are correct) she was walking home from a friends, which is probably in breach of the lockdown rules. So if he asked her to sit in the car while he questioned her about it, she’d obey (as would I).

  78. @International Jew
    Israel, like America, has lots of crazy leftists who don't believe in borders. But Israeli leftists haven't succeeded in forming the high-low coalition that has put leftists in charge in America. The Israeli Jewish lower class mostly votes Likud (Netanyahu).

    Now the Arabs do support the left and at 22% of the electorate you might think they should be even more powerful than blacks, at 13%, are in the US. But here's the difference: Arabs aren't considered "cool". In America, lots of whites vote Democrat because blacks like the Democrats. But in Israel, being the "Arab" party is a big net minus in the eyes of 95% of the Jews.

    Replies: @Polistra, @bigdicknick

    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest. That’s why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority “rights” i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.

    all the rest is just self deception.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @bigdicknick


    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest.
     
    Doesn't nearly everyone vote on the basis of perceived self-interest? For those who have a strong ethnic identity, perceived self-interest will be largely or even primarily ethnic.

    How much more do Jews "vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self-interest" than do blacks, hispanics/latinos, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Koreans, Japanese, or any number of other ethnic groups?

    And many Jews don't even strongly identify as Jews.

    That’s why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority “rights” i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.
     
    You think most of the Jews who vote right-wing in Israel and support restricting immigration there would do the opposite in the US? You think most Jews who vote left-wing in the US and oppose restricting immigration here would do the opposite in Israel?

    Also, plenty of Jew do not support the State of Israel.

    all the rest is just self deception.
     
    Self-deception is endemic to human nature. We all view ourselves more favorably than we objectively are. We are all blind, to at least some degree, to our own faults. Nothing uniquely Jewish.

    From your subsequent comment:

    South Africa and Post soviet russia are two examples of this behavior. They act as a hostile elite and push for radical change and then leave when the place falls apart.
     
    What percentage of the Jews in either place/time you mentioned acted as a "hostile elite" or "push[ed] for radical change"?

    Replies: @bigdicknick

  79. @Abolish_public_education
    @AnotherDad

    Probably 99.9% of the nominally Jewish, non-small organizations are really just left-wing front groups.

    If you can afford to stick around Another 50 years or so, those groups will be way less numerous, smaller, as Jewish as a ham sandwich, non-influential, but more strident and desperate than ever.

    The minoritarianism (e.g. support for BIG public education) of which you daily decry, took over this country in the late 19th century. The wave of tempest tossed Jews who came to these shores, during that time, didn’t speak much English so I doubt that they had much to do with tipping the scales against you.

    Too much, too late.

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    50 years from now US Jews will likely be immigrating en masse to Israel and when they leave they will likely have created a fleeing oppression narrative. South Africa and Post soviet russia are two examples of this behavior. They act as a hostile elite and push for radical change and then leave when the place falls apart.

  80. @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    Puhleeze. First of all, not one Jewish organiztion in the mainstream is “open borders.” They espouse bullshit like this:

    We were once strangers in a strange land. This is why ADL fights tirelessly for those making their own exodus from war and oppression. Historically we have called for just and humanitarian immigration policies.

    https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/discrimination/immigrant-refugee-rights

    This is the ADL, not some kooky left-wing organization. The point of all of this is to wrap up “Immigration and Refugee Rights” in the gauzy language of “rights,” and down the rabbit hole we go.

    At the same time, the ADL will respond to the slightest imputation that Israel’s human rights record isn’t golden with outrage. What does Israel have to do with the ADL anyway? The ADL, I thought, is a US-based organization concerned with American issues.

    The central organization of mainstream organized US Jewry supports a foreign ethnostate while decrying ethnocentrism in the country where the ADL functions, as a result of the rights given to it by that country.

    I personally know a lot of Jews who don’t support “open borders” and who can’t stand the ADL’s phoniness on this subject. But it’s a glaring disconnect and I can’t blame people who are looking at it from the outside getting angry at it.

  81. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon

    You're not countering Jack's point, you reinforce it.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @Jon, @HammerJack

    Consider, for instance, that Jack is treating the USA as a ‘Christian’ country.

  82. @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] "proselytizes" to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It's not screamingly successful.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Dissident

    The Chabad movement has some successes. I know personally of 2 secular Jews who becamse black hats. And then there was my friend Joe P. a Puerto Rican Newyorkan . If I remember correctly he was converted by an orthodox synagogus – so he could marry his girlfriend after a courtship of 10 years when her family finally gave their consent.

    • Replies: @chrimony
    @Anonymouse

    Chabad is bad news. They preach Noahide laws for non-Jews. That is, Jews are to be the ruling class, and all non-Jews must follow second-class citizen laws. Jared Kushner is Chabad, by the way.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  83. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - in the UK feminists are getting all stirred up about the case of a pretty white woman called Sarah Everard who was abducted from the streets of South London and murdered - allegedly (there's been no trial, just an arrest) not by the usual suspects but by a serving, armed Diplomatic Protection Officer of the Met. Generally when a uniformed officer asks you to get in his car it's politic to do as he asks, especially when you may have been breaching lockdown by visiting a friend.

    Naturally the feminists are milking this one. A Green Party politician suggested that men should be subject to curfews and off the streets after 6pm.

    She was missing for several days so her photo was on every front page and news report, unlike the usual murder where a body is found pretty quickly.

    And, as chance would have it, a Guardianista, the exceedingly posh Marina Hyde (alma mater Princess Di's old school, married to a senior BBC exec), gets harassed and abused in the street on Thursday afternoon, while picking up her small children from school.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/what-happened-women-uk-harassed-street

    Her description of the abuser is non-existent. If her abuser was white she'd have mentioned it.

    We only get a description of his jacket.


    He seems to be wearing A Distinctive Jacket, which is pointless, since I’m not going to be troubling the police with this. You can’t, can you? Where would you start. Where would you stop. Hopefully he’ll stop. On the back of the jacket – thank God, I’m seeing the back of his jacket now, which means he’s passed me by again – it says “The Wonderers”. They sound nice. I wonder what he’s wondering about. Why I’m some f****** lesbian whore is what he’s saying. But I wonder what he’s really wondering about. If this is the bit he’s saying out loud, I wonder about the inner monologue.
     
    I imagine she's describing this jacket.

    https://www.hjackets.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/ken-wahl-jacket.jpg


    What do people who can now see us think is happening, I wonder crossly. Crossly enough to find my voice and say: Stay away from me. I say it loudly and clearly, so the two guys working on the road about 15 metres away will hear. They look up, and I look right at them, quickly because I daren’t take my eyes off The Wonderer. But then they carry on with their work. Come on guys – don’t you read the internet? Hashtag be an ally!
     
    People in London have learned that tangling with that kind of person (mentally ill black guys) can get them stabbed to death.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous, @Tony

    They’d never make this movie nowadays:

  84. @Dumbo

    We would have had here already a million illegal migrants from Africa, and the Jewish state

    would have collapsed
     
    .
     
    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @anonymousperson, @Wade Hampton

    Good for Bibi. He’s defending his ethny and his country.

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders. That we don’t is our shame.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Wade Hampton


    Good for Bibi. He’s defending his ethny and his country.
     
    Bibi is a man of physical courage, and is perfectly willing to shoot people with a .22LR to defend his own, as he has aptly demonstrated in the past.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLufq-CA7bM

    Replies: @anon

    , @anon
    @Wade Hampton

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders.

    I seem to remember some guy who tried that.

    That we don’t is our shame.

    "Our", hmm...

  85. @Cido
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

     

    Do you have any source that the Jews in USA want open borders in Israel ?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Nachum

    I’ve been meaning to ask. Not many other Jews where I live, I’m not close with my cousins and my wife’s family all voted for Trump (they even support closed borders for America!). I’ve been sitting on my “open borders for Israel” line for some time now, looking for the first opportunity to use it.

    I would love to see Will Witt walk around New York sticking a camera in every Jew’s face to ask the obvious.

  86. @Matt Buckalew
    @Clyde

    Lol when did Israel withdrawal from the convention on refugees.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Lol when did Israel withdrawal from the convention on refugees.

    Did they sign on Mr. Jealous respirator?

  87. It’s not hypocrisy–Israel just lacks the magic dirt that America has that can magically assimilate African migrants. The anti-Semites stole the magic dirt!

  88. @anonymous
    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    ...

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Nachum, @Billy Corr, @Mr. XYZ

    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Billy Corr


    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.
     
    No contemporary individual has any detectable Hebrew DNA. In reality, there isn’t such a thing.
    , @daniel sebold
    @Billy Corr

    How about the Ethiopians who speak Amharic and Tigre? After all, these are members of the Semitic Language Family along with Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic, the language of Jesus which is still spoken in Turkey, Syria and Iran, all of these languages having evolved from ancient Akkadian now extinct. If the Jews are going to throw around the word "anti-semitism," then they should own up to to the strong possibility that their DNA is closely tied to the speakers of these languages. Or perhaps the European Jews are not real Semites anymore, have diluted their genes too much, though I doubt it. They should welcome the true Semites into their language. They should not be anti Semitic Euro snobs.

  89. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    Figuring out what’s wrong is easy–these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion–how they know they are “good people”.
     
    If you’re wondering why Whites are so timid about about asserting their racial interests, there’s a simple reason why.

    That reason is not “White guilt.”
    That reason is not “empathy.”
    That reason is not “high mindedness.”

    That reason is FEAR.

    Whites know that if they say one wrong word, they could ruin their life instantaneously. Heck, just by failing to condemn racism in the strongest terms available, you can easily ruin your life.

    You can get fired from your job, financially ruined, slandered by the media, harassed on social media, and viewed as a pariah by mainstream society. In very serious cases, you can get subjected to violence from Anti-Fa and/or a Black mob.

    This is why Whites behave in such a deferential matter with respect to racial issues.

    It’s FEAR of losing it all that keeps Whites in check.

    However, if you go back many decades ago (especially pre-60s), there were minimal (if any) penalties associated with racist speech. That’s why Whites used to advocate for their interests so forcefully back in the old days.

    Imagine you have a society full of religious Catholics. Then the Lutherans invade the country, decimate the Catholic Churches, and persecute all fervent Catholics. What would you expect to happen in such a society?

    3 things

    1. Mass conversion from Catholicism to Lutheranism.
    2. Ambitious people becoming especially likely to advocate Lutheran theology.
    3. Ordinary people becoming very hesitant to make any pro-Catholic or anti-Lutheran statements.

    Whites aren’t as foolish as everyone here perceives. By becoming “Woke” on racial issues, Whites are making a strategic decision that’s actually quite shrewd on an individual level.

    It may not be a shrewd decision on a group level, but you have to remember that Whites have no group solidarity left. They’ve become very individualistic and socially isolated from one another in recent times. They inhabit a social milieu that’s highly atomized. So Whites behave as individuals, not members of a group.

    Unfortunately, what makes sense on an individual level is harmful on a group level. It’s a prisoner’s dilemma.

    As to the question of why individual White leaders/activists don’t attempt to organize their population into a cohesive and united group, it’s because those individuals would be punished harshly. So would anyone who collaborated.

    You have to remember that the overwhelming majority of Whites are highly emasculated and effete these days, having been softened up by generations of comfort, affluence, and easy living. The average White no longer has any fight left in him. He just wants to enjoy life, have fun, eat out, go shopping, take vacations, watch sports ball, drink beer. He’s not looking to risk it all in some type of racial confrontation. So even if most Whites secretly hate PC, they’re not going to take a bullet fighting back.

    As to the question of why the ruling class is so fanatically hostile to Whites, it’s because Jews supplanted Anglo-Saxons decades ago. Once in power, the new Jewish elites began harshly persecuting Whites who advocated for White interests. At this point, the persecution is comically over the top.

    To be sure, there are many White Gentiles left in the elite, but they are kept in check through a combination of bribery, coercion, and Epstein-style sexual blackmail. For example, Bill Clinton.

    White Gentile elites are the outer party. Jewish elites are the inner party.

    Jewish elites know they need allies. So they stoke Black rage. They also promote an extreme amount of immigration into the US, then brainwash those immigrants (and more especially their kids) into becoming enemies of “White privilege.” Blacks and non-white immigrants have been turned into the fifth column of America.

    White racism is the Emmanuel Goldstein of our empire. Failure to condemn Goldstein in the harshest terms will result in punishment.

    Watch this clip below to better understand why so many Whites are so eager to fight White racism.

    https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y

    Some have predicted that in the near future, a debt crisis will destroy our currency and cause the current regime to collapse. If that ever happens, then you will see the number of “Woke” Whites plummet dramatically. If there comes a time when Jews lose power, Whites will stop this racial self-flagellation very quickly. If there comes a day when Whites no longer have to fear being punished for being politically incorrect, you will see a massive change in how Whites discuss racial issues.

    FEAR of punishment keeps Whites in line.

    (Reposted from JohnnyWalker123)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I remember writing a post very similar to that! LOL.

    I should write a small addendum to that post.

    I do think Whites of Northern Euro origin (Anglos, Dutch, Scandinavians, Germans) are, on average, more civic-minded than other ethnic groups. I also think that a certain proportion of them really do have what you could call “White guilt.” However, the overwhelming majority of Whites still believe in policies that advance their interests (within reason) and disdain anything excessively foolish.

    For example, the median White believes in sending food and water to refugees. However, he doesn’t want to bring millions of refugees into America. Especially not if they’re Muslim or African. The problem is that Whites no longer live in anything resembling a democracy, so decisions are made by powerful Jewish oligarchs. If you dissent from their agenda, they’ll call you a “racist” and ruin your life. They’ll get you fired and get you banished from the middle-class.

    Another example. The median White believes it’s okay to teach about all aspects of American history (including negative aspects like slavery and segregation), but he’s still generally positive and upbeat about the accomplishments of past generations of Americans. He thinks America might be imperfect, but who isn’t? He still thinks America is the best country in the world. However, Whites no longer get to write their own history books for school students. The writing of history is outsourced to perpetually outraged Blacks. So you end up with history curriculum that obssesses over America’s shortcomings. If a White teacher should point out that these Blacks are aggrieved race fanatics, he will be fired from his job and NEVER will teach again. No more pension for him.

    So even if Whites are nicer and more fair-minded than other ethnic groups, there are limits to what they’ll voluntarily accept. The basic problem is that Whites no longer run their own countries. Jewish elites long ago supplanted Anglo-Saxon elites. Once in power, they used the machinery of govt to punish White race resisters.

    TLDR Summary: Whites are nicer than other races, but they’re not suicidal. However, White countries are run by Jewish elites these days. Since Whites don’t want to get fired from their jobs and tarred&featherd by the media, they shut their mouth (and often nod alone) to the insanity. While there are true believers, most cucked Whites are kept in line by FEAR.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JohnnyWalker123


    TLDR Summary: Whites are nicer than other races

     

    Not really.
  90. @Gary in Gramercy
    @anonymous

    "Jack D. told me, yes he warned me, there'd be dolts like you.

    "He also told me, 'use the [sarc] tag,' those putzes can't take a joke.

    "But I said no, these guys are smart, they know their day from night,

    "And now I find, to my dismay, that old Jack D. was right..."

    "Why don't they laugh? Did I make a gaffe? They just seem a little lame,

    "Commenters, commenters, autistic's your middle name -- name -- name!"


    (To the tune of "Surrender," by Cheap Trick)

    Replies: @anon

    “He also told me, ‘use the [sarc] tag,’

    It’s not sarcastic if it is true.

  91. @anonymous
    @Jack D


    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel,
     
    Name one jew who is for open borders in Israel.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @International Jew

    This is a really good one.

  92. @Wade Hampton
    @Dumbo

    Good for Bibi. He's defending his ethny and his country.

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders. That we don't is our shame.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon

    Good for Bibi. He’s defending his ethny and his country.

    Bibi is a man of physical courage, and is perfectly willing to shoot people with a .22LR to defend his own, as he has aptly demonstrated in the past.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Joe Stalin


    Bibi is a man of physical courage
     
    Yeah, he's pretty tough for an ex furniture salesman.

    Replies: @J

  93. @Wade Hampton
    @Dumbo

    Good for Bibi. He's defending his ethny and his country.

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders. That we don't is our shame.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon

    Would that America had one of our own to deport the illegals, build the wall and defend the borders.

    I seem to remember some guy who tried that.

    That we don’t is our shame.

    “Our”, hmm…

  94. @Matt Buckalew
    @Reg Cæsar

    There’s less than 200 countries. Going by numbers jews should get at best a half of country. If you were going to benchmark it off Christianity (nowhere near that percentage of countries are exclusively Christian) then it’s an abomination to fairness for Jews to get to maintain an effectively racial supremacist state considering their numbers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They have to go somewhere.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Reg Cæsar

    If their were a duty to return then i would fly an Israeli flag in front of every one of my houses. But nope just another right without any associated duties for the worlds least put upon people.

  95. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jack D

    I see what you mean, but I prefer to treat the iSteve commentariat as a group of intelligent individuals (many frighteningly so, and knowledgeable on an astonishing array of subjects), capable of reading and understanding my posts without signalling from me. This bunch doesn't need to see the word "SARCASM" in neon lights -- as if it were a musical revue based on the life of Doug Piranha -- to know it when they see it.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I saw the humor – but it appears Jack D didn’t. He and Rod Dreher would get along great.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Paperback Writer

    Jack saw the humor in my original post, too. He warned me -- correctly, as it turned out -- that more literal-minded readers might not, and that I ought to signal my intentions with a large, red label on the box: "Warning: lark's vomit."

    As a result, at least two commenters are on record as agreeing that "Jews control the greeting card industry; thus we need separate greeting card companies."

    Sacha Baron Cohen, eat your heart out.

  96. @Polistra
    @International Jew

    The Arabs need to find a way to get weaponized by the left-wing Jews against the right-wing Jews, similar to what we do here in the USA. Start by calling the right-wing Jews racist, and the left-wing Jews too if they don't fall in line. Or don't they care about that?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Actually, wokism has invaded the Jewish community with a vengeance. I have little to do with organized religion but the last (pre-Covid) time I popped into the local JCC to have a cup of coffee I took a spin around the spacious, excellent facilities. Many photos of “Jews of color” and quite a few with Jewish grandparents and grandchildren of color. No grandparent cry. Happy happy.

    In reality, as Audacious Epigone has pointed out, Jews are the whitest religious group in the US, of course, using sane people definitions of white, not white-nationalist.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paperback Writer

    Perhaps in the US. But in Israel, they're like Arabs, dark Caucasians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtKAKRNK3YY

  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    I remember writing a post very similar to that! LOL.

    I should write a small addendum to that post.

    I do think Whites of Northern Euro origin (Anglos, Dutch, Scandinavians, Germans) are, on average, more civic-minded than other ethnic groups. I also think that a certain proportion of them really do have what you could call "White guilt." However, the overwhelming majority of Whites still believe in policies that advance their interests (within reason) and disdain anything excessively foolish.

    For example, the median White believes in sending food and water to refugees. However, he doesn't want to bring millions of refugees into America. Especially not if they're Muslim or African. The problem is that Whites no longer live in anything resembling a democracy, so decisions are made by powerful Jewish oligarchs. If you dissent from their agenda, they'll call you a "racist" and ruin your life. They'll get you fired and get you banished from the middle-class.

    Another example. The median White believes it's okay to teach about all aspects of American history (including negative aspects like slavery and segregation), but he's still generally positive and upbeat about the accomplishments of past generations of Americans. He thinks America might be imperfect, but who isn't? He still thinks America is the best country in the world. However, Whites no longer get to write their own history books for school students. The writing of history is outsourced to perpetually outraged Blacks. So you end up with history curriculum that obssesses over America's shortcomings. If a White teacher should point out that these Blacks are aggrieved race fanatics, he will be fired from his job and NEVER will teach again. No more pension for him.

    So even if Whites are nicer and more fair-minded than other ethnic groups, there are limits to what they'll voluntarily accept. The basic problem is that Whites no longer run their own countries. Jewish elites long ago supplanted Anglo-Saxon elites. Once in power, they used the machinery of govt to punish White race resisters.

    TLDR Summary: Whites are nicer than other races, but they're not suicidal. However, White countries are run by Jewish elites these days. Since Whites don't want to get fired from their jobs and tarred&featherd by the media, they shut their mouth (and often nod alone) to the insanity. While there are true believers, most cucked Whites are kept in line by FEAR.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    TLDR Summary: Whites are nicer than other races

    Not really.

  98. @anonymous
    @J.Ross

    As a Jew I hope rather than joke around, you call for the Ethiopian Jews to be able to return.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >Dear Fellow Jews, Open Borders For Israel
    Oh, I finally get it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @J.Ross

    I'm calling on you to stop the racism against Ethiopian Jews.

  99. HA says:
    @Anonymous
    @Dumbo


    On the other hand, sending them to Europe and America will enrich those places and make them more vibrant and wonderful.
     
    They’ve been doing that shit since they chose Barabbas.

    From Isabella of Spain: The Last Crusader by William Thomas Walsh (Sheed and Ward, 1935):


    XIV—THE JEWS’ ACTIVITIES IN SPAIN—THEIR PERSECUTION IN EUROPE—THE CONVERSOS—ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SPANISH INQUISITION

    ...That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain... Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Córdoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios,“they aspired only to feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”

     

    Such a lovely people.

    Replies: @HA

    “…That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain…”

    Yeah, but this could use a little context. The marauding barbarians of the late Roman era that eventually made it to Spain initially became Arian Christians, and like many newly-converted tribes, they were lax with respect to the particulars of their new religion and generally were more focused on the acquisition of loot and plunder. For example, they didn’t care if the nearby Jews happened to own Christian slaves and weren’t all that upset about moneylending/usury, either, and the rulers of the two groups got along comparatively well.

    Later, as that part of the continent became less chaotic, the more fastidiously orthodox Trinitarian Christians gained the upper hand, and they were more strict regarding Jewish ownership of Christians and other such hypocrisy, and that is arguably what started the long back-and-forth that led to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain many centuries later — but it was a widely meandering back-and-forth. At times the Jews there were outright traitors to the local Christians, as you note (scheming with the Saracens to bring them in from Africa) but in other instances they bravely fought alongside them at great cost. Overall they did prefer Saracens and Arians to Trinitarians, but this was more about understandable self-interest than some innate scorpion-stinging-frog perfidy towards Christians.

    [MORE]

    The Bible teaches that the three things that lead to Jewish downfall are 1) worshipping other gods 2) civil war and infighting and 3) backing the wrong geopolitical horse. (For example, First-Temple-era Jews were disastrously over-confident that their Egyptian allies would keep them safe from Nebuchadnezzar’s clutches.) Their eventual expulsion of Spain is very much a case of 3).

    It should also be noted that their “important role in bringing the Saracens from Africa” did not end well for them:

    The “Father of Jewish History,” Heinrich Graetz, already mentioned the plot of the Jews of Visigothic Spain, noting that in 694 they purportedly “entered into an alliance with their more fortunate brethren in Africa, with the intention of overthrowing the Visigothic empire,” and were “probably” aided in this attempt by the Muslims. The plot was discovered, and according to Graetz, all the Jews of Spain, Septimania and Narbonne were made slaves. [Geschichte der Juden (Leipzig, 1895), V, 140; English trans., History of the Jews (Philadelphia, 1894), III, 108….]

    Jews and the Muslim Conquest of Spain, Norman Roth, Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 38, No. 2 (Spring, 1976), pp. 145-158

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @HA

    Agreed, but one should not mix what happened in, say, 9th C with 14th/15th C.

    These issues are much more complex (demographically, culturally, ethnically, economically, even ideologically,...).

  100. @Dave Pinsen
    Luke Ford estimated once that it took an IQ of 110 to convert to Orthodox Judaism, if they went by the book. Hence Netanyahu’s opposition to easier conversions.

    https://twitter.com/lukeford/status/1124071424724033536?s=21

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Luke Ford estimated once that it took an IQ of 110 to convert to Orthodox Judaism, if they went by the book. Hence Netanyahu’s opposition to easier conversions.

    If you can’t trust (((Luke Ford))) from Twitter, who can you trust?

    What estimate did Obi-Wan Chevy give?

  101. @anon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    The Golan heights are mostly empty, and would provide ample space for refugee camps. Plus they are right next to Syria - almost as if they were part of Syria - and therefore convenient for refugees to easily return home. Yet somehow, some people deeded safer for refugees from Syria to travel to the Balkans and then trek into Germany.

    Leaving aside the issue about "refugees from Syria" as a category. A category that included Albanians, Iraqis, Kurds, Pakistanis, etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Not Only Wrathful

    Some Syrian refugees in 2015 no doubt grew up in the Golan Heights.

  102. @Anonymouse
    @J.Ross

    The Chabad movement has some successes. I know personally of 2 secular Jews who becamse black hats. And then there was my friend Joe P. a Puerto Rican Newyorkan . If I remember correctly he was converted by an orthodox synagogus - so he could marry his girlfriend after a courtship of 10 years when her family finally gave their consent.

    Replies: @chrimony

    Chabad is bad news. They preach Noahide laws for non-Jews. That is, Jews are to be the ruling class, and all non-Jews must follow second-class citizen laws. Jared Kushner is Chabad, by the way.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @chrimony

    Aren't Jews supposed to follow the Noahide Laws too? Which of these are Jews exempt from?

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm

  103. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jews get one little country BECAUSE they are one little speck of the population.

    Replies: @Anon

    Jews get one little country BECAUSE they are one little speck of the population.

    But this “tiny speck of the population” also gets multiple big countries (the United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, France, Russia, Spain) and many smaller ones (in Latin America and so forth).

    Your argument doesn’t work.

  104. @Redneck farmer
    Well, we know what leader is serious about protecting his country, at least.

    Replies: @anthony aaron

    His main concern is winning the next election so that he and the missus won’t have to face various criminal charges and likely spend time behind bars … that’s why he’s pushing this agenda and why he’s hiding the truth behind the extreme failure of the ‘vaccine’ program in israel that has allegedly produced more deaths in the past 2 months than in the 10 previous months.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @anthony aaron

    Israel has one-party rule: The left-wing social’zts and the ultra-left-wing social’zts.

    Likud is left of center, totally Big Government.

    Israel has a “less government” intelligentsia (which sort of moonlights as a political party). When it runs in elections, it doesn’t get seats; its populist leader does better independently. Even so, the party is a big supporter of the totally crappy, Israeli public education system.

    The Israeli judicial system is captured by the ultra-left wing (of course).

    At its first opportunity, it would indict Netanyahu for making a phone call to the Ukrainian ambassador, inciting an Arab riot on the Temple Mount, etc.

    As it is, I think Netanyahu is in trouble for accepting a gift of Cuban cigars from a rich, Zionist friend, i.e. bribery.

  105. @Billy Corr
    @anonymous

    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.

    Replies: @Anon, @daniel sebold

    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.

    No contemporary individual has any detectable Hebrew DNA. In reality, there isn’t such a thing.

  106. anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nachum
    @anonymous

    To be clear, these are not Ethiopian Jews but Christians claiming Jewish relations. Even Israeli Ethiopian Jews aren't all in favor of bringing them over. And to be frank, there are organizations and individuals that were devoted to bringing over Ethiopian Jews that, their mission done, can't (as all organizations) just declare victory and close up shop. So one senses that no matter how many times we're told that "the last Ethiopian Jews have been brought over," there will always be another thousand or so to go. Funny how that works.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. XYZ

    There is a clearly identified group of about 7,500 still remaining in Ethiopia. Your concerns about another wave after this are unfounded and just made up to cover discrimination against Ethiopians with Jewish heritage.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @anonymous

    I have no problem with Ethiopian Jews in Israel. And if it was really a "clearly identified group," I'd be less concerned. But I get suspicious every time it's announced that "this is it."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  107. @Cido
    @Jack D


    People here are reading this as “Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites” but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

     

    Do you have any source that the Jews in USA want open borders in Israel ?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew, @Nachum

    To pick one random example, Bret Stephens once wrote a long column defending Israel against some charge or another but felt obligated to include the fact that his one criticism of Israel is that they aren’t admitting African “refugees” with open arms.

    And that’s on the right. (Well, in Stephens’ case, the so-called “right.”) On the left, pretty much every leftist Jew in America thinks Israel should be admitting “refugees” wholesale, and a whole bunch of Israel’s very few leftists feel similarly.

    On the other hand, there are some Israeli leftists who are just fine with the wall, but probably think the US needs more immigrants, while there are at least some American Jewish “right-wingers” who defend anything Israel does, including this, but think Trump is eeeeevil for wanting to keep out Mexicans.

    But overall, I’d say there’s no black-and-white distinction.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Nachum


    On the left, pretty much every leftist Jew in America thinks Israel should be admitting “refugees” wholesale, and a whole bunch of Israel’s very few leftists feel similarly.
     

    Yes, but they're free to think and feel whatever makes them feel good about themselves, secure in the knowledge that Israel will never ever have open borders.

    Because open borders would mean that Israel is no longer Israel. All you have to do is to look at how America is no longer America. Hey.

  108. @Joe Stalin
    @Wade Hampton


    Good for Bibi. He’s defending his ethny and his country.
     
    Bibi is a man of physical courage, and is perfectly willing to shoot people with a .22LR to defend his own, as he has aptly demonstrated in the past.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLufq-CA7bM

    Replies: @anon

    Bibi is a man of physical courage

    Yeah, he’s pretty tough for an ex furniture salesman.

    • Replies: @J
    @anon

    For your information, Bibi was a fighter of the Sayeret, the elite group of Israel's forces. He and his brother participated in the liberation of the Jewish prisoners in the Uganda airport. His brother was killed there. The action was led by Ehud Barak, who also became prime minister. You can say many things about Bibi, but coward he is not. The last time America had a comparable fighter leader was with John Kennedy.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  109. @Dieter Kief
    @J

    Children means here what - up to - 10 years?

    What would be an accepted form of conversion?

    What does it mean to doubt conversions for escaping poverty in Africa? - prove the mentality (the motivations) to be wrong? Or make it shorter and say: you try to escape poverty, so we don't believe your conversion?

    Replies: @BB753, @J.Ross, @Nachum

    Adopted children are converted provisionally. Once they reach adulthood- which for these purposes is 12-13 years old- they’re free to decide whether or not they want it, with it being stressed that there’s no judgment if they say no.

    Orthodox conversion means acceptance of the dogmas and rules of Judaism, dunking in a ritual bath, and circumcision for men (symbolic if they already are).

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  110. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don’t y’all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this.
     
    Figuring out what's wrong is easy--these people have been pickled in minoritarian propaganda for for 50+ and they are status conscious virtue signalers. For many this is their post-Christian religion--how they know they are "good people".

    As with Jews and blacks, I can't do much about them, but this past year i have carefully noted who has put out BLM or Biden yard signs so WTSHTF i'll know who to kill and eat first.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Anonymous, @International Jew

    For many this is their post-Christian religion

    It’s not post-Christian, it’s hyper-Christian. It’s the universalistic we’re-all-brothers ethic — which was Christianity’s great innovation that separated it from Judaism — finally detached from the moderating influence of Christians’ traditional hypocrisy.

    What’s destroying America now isn’t Judaized Christians. And the Jewish contingent involved in the destruction constitutes Christianized (in the above sense) Jews.

  111. @anonymous
    @Jack D


    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel,
     
    Name one jew who is for open borders in Israel.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @International Jew

    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass… The majority of Israel’s supreme court (going by their repeated thwarting of every attempt to expel the African rapefugees). Just go to haaretz.com and copy down all the names on the masthead.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @International Jew


    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass
     
    Can you provide a statement from one them opposing Zionism and advocating a policy to put a stop to it?

    Replies: @International Jew

  112. anonymous[526] • Disclaimer says:

    Bibi has no issue with fake converts. He keeps on bringing in fake converts from Mizoram, a state in Northeast India. 100 came in December last year. Another 500 will come this year. All paid for by Israel. They are settled in the north where there is nervousness about growing Muslim demographics. It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/over-100-mizoram-jews-migrate-to-israel-after-converting-to-judaism/articleshow/79751814.cms

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @anonymous

    A small amount of brown people doesn't hurt.

    Any amount of black people hurts.

    , @silviosilver
    @anonymous


    It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.
     
    I don't have much good to say about his tribe in general, but I just can't hate a guy like this.

    Replies: @anonymous

  113. anonymous[526] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @anonymous

    >Dear Fellow Jews, Open Borders For Israel
    Oh, I finally get it.

    Replies: @anonymous

    I’m calling on you to stop the racism against Ethiopian Jews.

  114. @Paperback Writer
    @Steve Sailer

    The Ethiopians who were airlifted to Israel en masse have zero genetic relationship to any other Jewish community, and historically not much more. The creation of "Jews" in Ethiopia was entirely political. The other Judaic groups, and the guys who are still in Ethiopia, have just as much a claim on going to Israel as the ones who were transported there in the 80s and 90s. In short, the Israelis imported a race problem.

    Replies: @Clyde

    The Ethiopians who were airlifted to Israel en masse have zero genetic relationship to any other Jewish community, and historically not much more. The creation of “Jews” in Ethiopia was entirely political. The other Judaic groups, and the guys who are still in Ethiopia, have just as much a claim on going to Israel as the ones who were transported there in the 80s and 90s. In short, the Israelis imported a race problem.

    Why did Israel import them? To make a show of non-racism to the UN etc. Beacuse of always ongoing tensions and dramatic negotiations with the Paleostinians with their Yasser Arafat. Those days are gone. The Paleostinians are gone as a tool for XXX powers ever since Europe saw the Muslims of Syria entering into self destruct mode with millions killed with countless concrete rebar buildings wasted by artillery and bombs. Then off-loading their war torn idiots to Germany/EU. My take is if when you destruct your Muslim nation. Europe should keep you out. Go do your brainwashed Allah etc. thing in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

  115. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Dumbo

    Can you show me where Netanyahu said the second part?

    People here are reading this as "Jews say diversity for thee but not for me ergo they are hypocrites" but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    The reason why Netanyahu is making this a campaign issue is because he is trying to paint his opponents as "open borders" type guys while he is the "I built the wall" guy - exactly like his buddy Trump (except Netanyahu actually built his wall). If everyone in Israel, indeed Jews everywhere, agreed with the right winger Netanyahu that Israel should have a border fence then he wouldn't be campaigning on this issue. But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    If you read what Netanyahu wrote, he is saying that Israel is in an even more exposed position than Europe. The illegal African migrants in Europe all have to come by boat but in Israel they could just walk in. There are a LOT more Africans than there are Mexicans and Israel is a much smaller country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Cido, @bigdicknick, @AnotherDad, @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous

    But he is because he has his own Leftists to campaign against.

    Left is a relative term, especially when comparing Israeli politics to those of other western countries. Exactly what percentage of the Israeli electorate would even consider voting for a party that was as pro open-borders as 95% of political parties in other western countries? In the 2020 election, less than 20% voted for the Arab Joint List and the leftist Joint list combined. Normal western attitudes about immigration are well outside the Israeli mainstream.

    but the Jews who are for open borders in America are also for open borders in Israel, while Netanyahu is for neither.

    Netanyahu’s fellow Likudnik Danny Danon (Deputy Minister of Defence/Minister for Science and Technology) was for closed borders in Israel and open-enough borders in Australia that Israel could offload some Africans there: Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia He explained:

    “The refugees’ place is not among us, and the initiative to transfer them to Australia is the right and just solution.
    “On the one hand, it treats the refugees and migrants in a humane way. On the other hand, it does not threaten Israel’s future and our goal to maintain a clear and solid Jewish majority,” he explained.

    Note that this article is from the conservative-leaning Jerusalem Post. Also in 2016-17 nearly 2000 Africans were resettled from Israel to Canada(link)

    According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), 1,880 Eritrean refugees were resettled to Canada from Israel in in 2016 and 2017, almost all of them through private sponsorship.

  116. @Clyde

    Anyway, I’ve always found it, um, intriguing that Hungary and Poland caught more flak for objecting to Syrian refugees than Israel did. Israel is literally right next door to Syria. How many Syrian refugees have they admitted?
     
    Why would Israel admit Muslim refugees? Why are they supposed too? I not aware of Israel ever having any policy saying that Muslim refugees must be admitted into Europe. Hungary and Poland get refugee flak from stupid Angela Merkel and her Germanic run EU.

    Replies: @WJ, @Bardon Kaldian, @Nodwink, @Matt Buckalew, @Anonymous

    13% of Syria’s prewar population was Christian or Druze, groups that already exist in Israel and have not recently made a nuisance of themselves.

  117. @HA
    @Anonymous

    "…That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain…"

    Yeah, but this could use a little context. The marauding barbarians of the late Roman era that eventually made it to Spain initially became Arian Christians, and like many newly-converted tribes, they were lax with respect to the particulars of their new religion and generally were more focused on the acquisition of loot and plunder. For example, they didn't care if the nearby Jews happened to own Christian slaves and weren't all that upset about moneylending/usury, either, and the rulers of the two groups got along comparatively well.

    Later, as that part of the continent became less chaotic, the more fastidiously orthodox Trinitarian Christians gained the upper hand, and they were more strict regarding Jewish ownership of Christians and other such hypocrisy, and that is arguably what started the long back-and-forth that led to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain many centuries later -- but it was a widely meandering back-and-forth. At times the Jews there were outright traitors to the local Christians, as you note (scheming with the Saracens to bring them in from Africa) but in other instances they bravely fought alongside them at great cost. Overall they did prefer Saracens and Arians to Trinitarians, but this was more about understandable self-interest than some innate scorpion-stinging-frog perfidy towards Christians.

    The Bible teaches that the three things that lead to Jewish downfall are 1) worshipping other gods 2) civil war and infighting and 3) backing the wrong geopolitical horse. (For example, First-Temple-era Jews were disastrously over-confident that their Egyptian allies would keep them safe from Nebuchadnezzar's clutches.) Their eventual expulsion of Spain is very much a case of 3).

    It should also be noted that their "important role in bringing the Saracens from Africa" did not end well for them:


    The “Father of Jewish History,” Heinrich Graetz, already mentioned the plot of the Jews of Visigothic Spain, noting that in 694 they purportedly "entered into an alliance with their more fortunate brethren in Africa, with the intention of overthrowing the Visigothic empire," and were "probably” aided in this attempt by the Muslims. The plot was discovered, and according to Graetz, all the Jews of Spain, Septimania and Narbonne were made slaves. [Geschichte der Juden (Leipzig, 1895), V, 140; English trans., History of the Jews (Philadelphia, 1894), III, 108….]
     
    Jews and the Muslim Conquest of Spain, Norman Roth, Jewish Social Studies, Vol. 38, No. 2 (Spring, 1976), pp. 145-158

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Agreed, but one should not mix what happened in, say, 9th C with 14th/15th C.

    These issues are much more complex (demographically, culturally, ethnically, economically, even ideologically,…).

  118. @anonymous
    Bibi has no issue with fake converts. He keeps on bringing in fake converts from Mizoram, a state in Northeast India. 100 came in December last year. Another 500 will come this year. All paid for by Israel. They are settled in the north where there is nervousness about growing Muslim demographics. It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/over-100-mizoram-jews-migrate-to-israel-after-converting-to-judaism/articleshow/79751814.cms

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @silviosilver

    A small amount of brown people doesn’t hurt.

    Any amount of black people hurts.

  119. @Paperback Writer
    @Polistra

    Actually, wokism has invaded the Jewish community with a vengeance. I have little to do with organized religion but the last (pre-Covid) time I popped into the local JCC to have a cup of coffee I took a spin around the spacious, excellent facilities. Many photos of "Jews of color" and quite a few with Jewish grandparents and grandchildren of color. No grandparent cry. Happy happy.

    In reality, as Audacious Epigone has pointed out, Jews are the whitest religious group in the US, of course, using sane people definitions of white, not white-nationalist.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Perhaps in the US. But in Israel, they’re like Arabs, dark Caucasians.

  120. @BB753
    @Dieter Kief

    If I were a poor African, I'd convert to Mormonism to escape poverty. That's the real golden ticket!

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Mormonism would be this kind of option but it has a real downside to it: You are supposed to work hard – and stay sober all the time as a Mormon. A tough combination. Lots of people shy away from such – rigorous – anti-Let-the-good-times-roll!- guidelines.

    • Agree: BB753
  121. @Paperback Writer
    @Gary in Gramercy

    I saw the humor - but it appears Jack D didn't. He and Rod Dreher would get along great.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    Jack saw the humor in my original post, too. He warned me — correctly, as it turned out — that more literal-minded readers might not, and that I ought to signal my intentions with a large, red label on the box: “Warning: lark’s vomit.”

    As a result, at least two commenters are on record as agreeing that “Jews control the greeting card industry; thus we need separate greeting card companies.”

    Sacha Baron Cohen, eat your heart out.

  122. @anon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    The Golan heights are mostly empty, and would provide ample space for refugee camps. Plus they are right next to Syria - almost as if they were part of Syria - and therefore convenient for refugees to easily return home. Yet somehow, some people deeded safer for refugees from Syria to travel to the Balkans and then trek into Germany.

    Leaving aside the issue about "refugees from Syria" as a category. A category that included Albanians, Iraqis, Kurds, Pakistanis, etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Not Only Wrathful

    Absolutely. As you recognise, mass Syrian refugees are an existential threat to Israeli sovereignty. They aren’t to Germany however, as the last few years have shown. This elegantly explains the difference between attitudes to both.

  123. Oh, did he? I guess I’m the thick one, then. But Jack writes a lot and I think brevity’s the soul of wit, so I’ll shut up now.

    PS I would love to see a goyish greeting card company. I didn’t realize Hallmark was really Hallsteinberg.

  124. J says:
    @anon
    @Joe Stalin


    Bibi is a man of physical courage
     
    Yeah, he's pretty tough for an ex furniture salesman.

    Replies: @J

    For your information, Bibi was a fighter of the Sayeret, the elite group of Israel’s forces. He and his brother participated in the liberation of the Jewish prisoners in the Uganda airport. His brother was killed there. The action was led by Ehud Barak, who also became prime minister. You can say many things about Bibi, but coward he is not. The last time America had a comparable fighter leader was with John Kennedy.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @J


    The last time America had a comparable fighter leader was with John Kennedy.
     
    GHWB was shot down twice in WW 2.

    George Bush was nearly one of these casualties. Enlisting in the Navy’s flight training program fresh out of high school, he then flew 58 combat missions in the Pacific, first seeing action in May 1944 at the head of a three-man Avenger torpedo bomber. “He was the leader,” Kinney says, “responsible for making the team operate efficiently.”

    Bush and his crew first ran into trouble that June, when anti-aircraft fire forced them to make an emergency water landing. (A U.S. destroyer rescued them minutes after the crash.)

    George Bush Bailed After Being Hit by Anti-Aircraft Fire

    Then, on September 2, 1944, he was again hit by anti-aircraft fire during a bombing run on the Japanese island of Chichi Jima. “Suddenly there was a jolt,” Bush wrote later, “as if a massive fist had crunched into the belly of the plane. Smoke poured into the cockpit, and I could see flames rippling across the crease of the wing, edging toward the fuel tanks.”

    Bush dropped his four 500-pound bombs on the target, a radio facility, and subsequently bailed out over the ocean, though not before bonking his head on the plane’s tail and ripping part of his parachute. His travails continued once in the waves, as jellyfish stings and swallowing too much seawater rendered him nauseous. Nonetheless, he managed to swim to a life raft and remain afloat until a U.S. submarine eventually rescued him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3N4LaFekM

    George Bush being rescued by the U.S.S. Finback

    George Bush being rescued by the submarine, the U.S.S. Finback, after being shot down while on a bombing run of the Island of Chi Chi Jima on September 2, 1944.

    During this time, U.S. fighter planes drove off some Japanese boats that pursued him, thus saving him from the gruesome torture suffered by other American captives on Chichi Jima. His two crewmates, however, weren’t so lucky. (One’s parachute apparently failed to open and the other never made it out of the plane.)

    https://www.history.com/news/george-hw-bush-wwii-airman
     
  125. @Reg Cæsar
    @Matt Buckalew

    They have to go somewhere.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew

    If their were a duty to return then i would fly an Israeli flag in front of every one of my houses. But nope just another right without any associated duties for the worlds least put upon people.

  126. anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @anonymous

    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass... The majority of Israel's supreme court (going by their repeated thwarting of every attempt to expel the African rapefugees). Just go to haaretz.com and copy down all the names on the masthead.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass

    Can you provide a statement from one them opposing Zionism and advocating a policy to put a stop to it?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @anonymous

    I could, but so could you, with a few keystrokes. So I'm leaving this as an "exercise for the student".

  127. @anonymous
    @Nachum

    There is a clearly identified group of about 7,500 still remaining in Ethiopia. Your concerns about another wave after this are unfounded and just made up to cover discrimination against Ethiopians with Jewish heritage.

    Replies: @Nachum

    I have no problem with Ethiopian Jews in Israel. And if it was really a “clearly identified group,” I’d be less concerned. But I get suspicious every time it’s announced that “this is it.”

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Nachum

    Well, it would make it easier to assume that "this is it" if all of the transit camps in Ethiopia subsequently got closed. Though ultimately it would matter less if all Falash Mura immigrants to Israel were forced to convert to Judaism in any case.

  128. @anthony aaron
    @Redneck farmer

    His main concern is winning the next election so that he and the missus won't have to face various criminal charges and likely spend time behind bars … that's why he's pushing this agenda and why he's hiding the truth behind the extreme failure of the 'vaccine' program in israel that has allegedly produced more deaths in the past 2 months than in the 10 previous months.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Israel has one-party rule: The left-wing social’zts and the ultra-left-wing social’zts.

    Likud is left of center, totally Big Government.

    Israel has a “less government” intelligentsia (which sort of moonlights as a political party). When it runs in elections, it doesn’t get seats; its populist leader does better independently. Even so, the party is a big supporter of the totally crappy, Israeli public education system.

    The Israeli judicial system is captured by the ultra-left wing (of course).

    At its first opportunity, it would indict Netanyahu for making a phone call to the Ukrainian ambassador, inciting an Arab riot on the Temple Mount, etc.

    As it is, I think Netanyahu is in trouble for accepting a gift of Cuban cigars from a rich, Zionist friend, i.e. bribery.

  129. @J
    @anon

    For your information, Bibi was a fighter of the Sayeret, the elite group of Israel's forces. He and his brother participated in the liberation of the Jewish prisoners in the Uganda airport. His brother was killed there. The action was led by Ehud Barak, who also became prime minister. You can say many things about Bibi, but coward he is not. The last time America had a comparable fighter leader was with John Kennedy.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    The last time America had a comparable fighter leader was with John Kennedy.

    GHWB was shot down twice in WW 2.

    George Bush was nearly one of these casualties. Enlisting in the Navy’s flight training program fresh out of high school, he then flew 58 combat missions in the Pacific, first seeing action in May 1944 at the head of a three-man Avenger torpedo bomber. “He was the leader,” Kinney says, “responsible for making the team operate efficiently.”

    Bush and his crew first ran into trouble that June, when anti-aircraft fire forced them to make an emergency water landing. (A U.S. destroyer rescued them minutes after the crash.)

    George Bush Bailed After Being Hit by Anti-Aircraft Fire

    Then, on September 2, 1944, he was again hit by anti-aircraft fire during a bombing run on the Japanese island of Chichi Jima. “Suddenly there was a jolt,” Bush wrote later, “as if a massive fist had crunched into the belly of the plane. Smoke poured into the cockpit, and I could see flames rippling across the crease of the wing, edging toward the fuel tanks.”

    Bush dropped his four 500-pound bombs on the target, a radio facility, and subsequently bailed out over the ocean, though not before bonking his head on the plane’s tail and ripping part of his parachute. His travails continued once in the waves, as jellyfish stings and swallowing too much seawater rendered him nauseous. Nonetheless, he managed to swim to a life raft and remain afloat until a U.S. submarine eventually rescued him.

    George Bush being rescued by the U.S.S. Finback

    George Bush being rescued by the submarine, the U.S.S. Finback, after being shot down while on a bombing run of the Island of Chi Chi Jima on September 2, 1944.

    During this time, U.S. fighter planes drove off some Japanese boats that pursued him, thus saving him from the gruesome torture suffered by other American captives on Chichi Jima. His two crewmates, however, weren’t so lucky. (One’s parachute apparently failed to open and the other never made it out of the plane.)

    https://www.history.com/news/george-hw-bush-wwii-airman

  130. @Jack D
    @Polistra

    They do exactly that. There are Jewish "Peace Now" activists in Israel who are constantly suing the government over "human rights violations" in the West Bank, etc. There are just not enough of them to elect a government, even combined with the considerable Arab population. Perhaps the fact that all Israelis know that Hamas and Iran would like to exterminate them prevents more Israelis from drifting into modern self-destructive modes of thinking. Israel's large ex-Soviet population is also allergic to Leftism - real life experience with life under a Leftist regime will do that to you. Although it is very close - the situation in Israel is not unlike that in the US in that both the right and the left hover right around 50% - the reason they keep having elections is that neither Netanyahu nor the opposition has been able to put together a clear majority.

    People here use an imaginary Israel as a bogeyman - see the Jews know what to do to defend their national interests in their homeland but they won't let us do the same! This imaginary Israel has nothing to do with the actual Israel which is deeply divided just like every other modern Western democracy. Nor do Israelis actually care what the US or Europe does to defend their borders - that's really none of their concern either way. Although there are Israeli companies that are very interested in selling them border defense technology.

    The US still has a 70% white population while blacks are only 13% and Jews maybe 2%. So if blacks and Jews are somehow setting the agenda in the US, they are only able to do so because they have a lot of white (non-Jewish) supporters. Instead of worrying all the time about the blacks and the Jews, why don't y'all focus on your fellow white people and figure out why white people are doing this. What causes so many white people to be race traitors? What drives good Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Georgetown Dean Treanor, etc. to sell out their own people?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Jon, @AnotherDad, @silviosilver

    The US still has a 70% white population

    Lol.

    What in the world possesses you to post howlers like this? Are you trying to prove just what a complete BSer you are or something?

    • Agree: 3g4me
  131. @anonymous
    Bibi has no issue with fake converts. He keeps on bringing in fake converts from Mizoram, a state in Northeast India. 100 came in December last year. Another 500 will come this year. All paid for by Israel. They are settled in the north where there is nervousness about growing Muslim demographics. It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/over-100-mizoram-jews-migrate-to-israel-after-converting-to-judaism/articleshow/79751814.cms

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @silviosilver

    It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.

    I don’t have much good to say about his tribe in general, but I just can’t hate a guy like this.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @silviosilver

    If you have resentful feelings towards Jewish people then why don't you voice more concern about groups that are bullied in Israel including marginalized Jewish groups?

  132. @anonymous
    @International Jew


    Gideon Levi, Amira Hass
     
    Can you provide a statement from one them opposing Zionism and advocating a policy to put a stop to it?

    Replies: @International Jew

    I could, but so could you, with a few keystrokes. So I’m leaving this as an “exercise for the student”.

  133. @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] "proselytizes" to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It's not screamingly successful.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Dissident

    There is an Orthodox Jewish outreach effort, but instead of seeking converts from without, it [incidentally grants racial Judaism and] “proselytizes” to atheist, lapsed, liberal and reformed Jews.
    It’s not screamingly successful.

    1.) There are many such outreach efforts by many different subsets of Orthodox Jews. These include dedicated yeshivas [Jewish religious schools] for Jews from non-Orthodox backgrounds; special classes at mainstream yeshivas; and many other programs.

    2.) Such efforts have had a considerable degree of success. Nearly anyone who has moved within Orthodox circles will have encountered any number of people who are either the products themselves of said efforts* or the descendants of such. There are even some synagogues and communities made-up largely, and in some cases, overwhelmingly, of such Jews.

    *Known as baalei teshuva or khozrim b’teshuva, though these terms are, in a large sense, misnomers.

    3.) Re: “racial Judaism”:

    [MORE]

    – Judaism is a religion, according to which one is a Jew either by being born to a Jewish mother or by undergoing a valid conversion;
    – Conversion is not restricted by race;
    – In so far as remaining bound by the obligations and restrictions of Judaism, the rule is once a Jew (whether by birth or by (valid) conversion), always a Jew.
    – By law (i.e., halakhah), however, Jews who are deemed apostates, heretics, and certain categories of flagrant sinners, however, are (to varying degrees, ranging from partially to practically entirely) ostracized from participation in the religious rites and community.

    In practice, the degree to which such ostracization is enforced varies considerably between communities. There are numerous reasons for this, some valid, some questionable, some invalid.

    A fuller treatment, from a past comment of mine follows.

    Ultimately, while Judaism can be classified as a religion, and perhaps as an ethnicity as well, entities of and related-to Judaism, Jews and Jewishness are not easily mapped to distinct, discrete classifications of religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. as commonly understood and accepted. As I have repeatedly pointed-out, those of us who fall within the broad category of identifying as or (at least potentially) being identified by others as Jews cannot even agree on how to define one.

    Those who argue that Judaism is primarily or even exclusively a tribal identity rather than a religion are guilty of (a) conflating what are two overlapping but nonetheless distinct concepts, and (b) ignoring or glossing-over facts such as

    [MORE]
    that Judaism accepts sincere, committed converts of just about any birth, while it rejects born-Jews who renounce or flout the religion to a degree that they are deemed as apostates or heretics. Even one whose transgressions merely place him in the lesser category of wanton/flagrant public sinner is still excluded from the community to a considerable, if not overwhelming degree. To the extent that such ostracization is not enforced (or not de facto enforced) in practice (which, admittedly, is often the reality on the ground) it is generally due to one or more of the following reasons: (a) ignorance of the relevant Judaic laws; (b) ambiguity or apprehension over their practical application; (c) laxity, esp. that motivated by disincentives to enforcement; (d) valid rabbinic ruling under which the culpability of the individual-in-question for his transgressions is at least largely mitigated based upon his background and circumstances in life; (e) means justifies the end rationale in which the potential for drawing the individual closer and inspiring him to repentance is deemed the over-riding consideration. A variant of this is fear that censuring or rebuffing the individual would drive him toward active hostility, possibly even violence. Such calculations may or not, depending upon the specific factors involved, be halakhicaly valid.

    For those interested in the topic, I highly recommend Is Judaism a Nationality?, a YouTube video of a lecture delivered by Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in September 2019 at the International Council for Middle East Studies’ (ICMES) Faith, Community and Culture conference held in British Colombia.

  134. @bigdicknick
    @International Jew

    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest. That's why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority "rights" i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.

    all the rest is just self deception.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest.

    Doesn’t nearly everyone vote on the basis of perceived self-interest? For those who have a strong ethnic identity, perceived self-interest will be largely or even primarily ethnic.

    How much more do Jews “vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self-interest” than do blacks, hispanics/latinos, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Koreans, Japanese, or any number of other ethnic groups?

    And many Jews don’t even strongly identify as Jews.

    That’s why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority “rights” i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.

    You think most of the Jews who vote right-wing in Israel and support restricting immigration there would do the opposite in the US? You think most Jews who vote left-wing in the US and oppose restricting immigration here would do the opposite in Israel?

    Also, plenty of Jew do not support the State of Israel.

    all the rest is just self deception.

    Self-deception is endemic to human nature. We all view ourselves more favorably than we objectively are. We are all blind, to at least some degree, to our own faults. Nothing uniquely Jewish.

    From your subsequent comment:

    South Africa and Post soviet russia are two examples of this behavior. They act as a hostile elite and push for radical change and then leave when the place falls apart.

    What percentage of the Jews in either place/time you mentioned acted as a “hostile elite” or “push[ed] for radical change”?

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    @Dissident

    "Doesn’t nearly everyone vote on the basis of perceived self-interest? For those who have a strong ethnic identity, perceived self-interest will be largely or even primarily ethnic. "

    Most whites don't. And the issue with jews is that jews are 2% of the population, but control several strategic industries and are hostile to the white christian majority. They function as a super aggressive hostile elite pushing for radical changes that they would never want were they the majority. Many major issues are decided on the basis of what a tiny minority perceives as being good for it. Prominent examples being: middle eastern foreign policy and immigration policy.

    "You think most of the Jews who vote right-wing in Israel and support restricting immigration there would do the opposite in the US? You think most Jews who vote left-wing in the US and oppose restricting immigration here would do the opposite in Israel? "

    Yes, and my viewpoint has data behind it: actual opinion surveys of US jews. Take the ADL for example : hardcore zionists and hardcore immigration promoters at the same time. This is why I asked Jack D to produce data supporting his silly idea that Jews in israel would vote republican if they lived here...um no. To the degree that jews like, say trump, it is because he moved the embassy to jerusalem.

  135. @Jack D
    @Dieter Kief


    There is still a right faith and a wrong faith there.
     
    Israel has a law called "Law of Return". The idea is that Israel was founded as a refuge for Jews so you would never again have a situation like the SS St. Louis where Jews were fleeing from (cough German cough) oppression but had no place to go. There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that). It's called the Law of Return based on the premise that Jews were originally from Israel so when they emigrate to Israel they are merely going back home.

    Naturally the Law of Return doesn't apply if you are an African animist or Christian since you are not "returning" to your homeland.

    Replies: @Jon, @black sea

    There are a bazillion countries for Christians and Muslims but there is only one little tiny country that is the Jewish state (and apparently people even begrudge them that).

    Are there any countries that guarantee Christians, and only Christians, the right of return?

    Asking for a friend.

  136. anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver
    @anonymous


    It goes to show the lengths that Bibi will go to keep Ethiopians out of Israel because he is a racist against Ethiopians of Jewish heritage.
     
    I don't have much good to say about his tribe in general, but I just can't hate a guy like this.

    Replies: @anonymous

    If you have resentful feelings towards Jewish people then why don’t you voice more concern about groups that are bullied in Israel including marginalized Jewish groups?

  137. @anonymous
    Bibi calls them fake converts but there are thousands of Ethiopians with Jewish heritage stranded in Ethiopia. Most of them have relatives already living in Israel. By not allowing them to return, Bibi is really saying that some are more chosen than others.

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/thousands-of-ethiopian-jews-still-stranded-in-ethiopia-as-last-flight-set-to-land-594288

    A mere 14 Ethiopian Jews are aboard the last approved aliyah flight from Ethiopia, which is scheduled to land in Israel on Tuesday night.

    Some 7,500 Ethiopian Jews are still living in both Gondar and Addis Ababa.

    ...

    Speaking to The Jerusalem Post, Katsof said that the Jewish communities in Gondar and Addis Ababa are living in dire conditions and with pillars of the community already living in Israel, “they are falling apart.”

    “When you see how they are living, with no water, no electricity, no toilets or sanitation and how they work so hard for just $1 a day,” he said. “You can’t imagine the conditions they are living in unless you see it for yourself.”

    Katsof highlighted that people are dying as they wait to return to Israel.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Buffalo Joe, @Nachum, @Billy Corr, @Mr. XYZ

    Israel’s inhumane treatment of the Falash Mura is absolutely disgusting! Seriously. 🙁

  138. @Nachum
    @anonymous

    I have no problem with Ethiopian Jews in Israel. And if it was really a "clearly identified group," I'd be less concerned. But I get suspicious every time it's announced that "this is it."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, it would make it easier to assume that “this is it” if all of the transit camps in Ethiopia subsequently got closed. Though ultimately it would matter less if all Falash Mura immigrants to Israel were forced to convert to Judaism in any case.

  139. @Nachum
    @anonymous

    To be clear, these are not Ethiopian Jews but Christians claiming Jewish relations. Even Israeli Ethiopian Jews aren't all in favor of bringing them over. And to be frank, there are organizations and individuals that were devoted to bringing over Ethiopian Jews that, their mission done, can't (as all organizations) just declare victory and close up shop. So one senses that no matter how many times we're told that "the last Ethiopian Jews have been brought over," there will always be another thousand or so to go. Funny how that works.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. XYZ

    If they convert to Judaism, then there should be less problems, no? Sure, their conversions could be insincere, but that’s nothing that a couple of generations of intermarriage with Jews can’t fix! 🙂

  140. @Ed
    Nothing but respect for him. Odd Israelis won’t give him a clear victory. Democracy really isn’t all that great even among a smart population. People tend not to choose all that well.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Nothing but respect for Adolf. Odd if Germans don’t give him a clear victory. Democracy really isn’t all that great…even among a smart population. People tend not to choose all that well.”

    ~Rolf and Ilsa, 1932, Deutchland

  141. @chrimony
    @Anonymouse

    Chabad is bad news. They preach Noahide laws for non-Jews. That is, Jews are to be the ruling class, and all non-Jews must follow second-class citizen laws. Jared Kushner is Chabad, by the way.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Aren’t Jews supposed to follow the Noahide Laws too? Which of these are Jews exempt from?

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm

    • Agree: Dissident
  142. @Dissident
    @bigdicknick


    Jews vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self interest.
     
    Doesn't nearly everyone vote on the basis of perceived self-interest? For those who have a strong ethnic identity, perceived self-interest will be largely or even primarily ethnic.

    How much more do Jews "vote on the basis of perceived ethnic self-interest" than do blacks, hispanics/latinos, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Koreans, Japanese, or any number of other ethnic groups?

    And many Jews don't even strongly identify as Jews.

    That’s why they vote so differently in the US and Israel because self interest when you are in the majority means promoting national identity and closed borders and when you are a minority it means promoting minority “rights” i.e. restricting the rights of the majority through the implicit threat of physical violence delivered by government storm troopers.
     
    You think most of the Jews who vote right-wing in Israel and support restricting immigration there would do the opposite in the US? You think most Jews who vote left-wing in the US and oppose restricting immigration here would do the opposite in Israel?

    Also, plenty of Jew do not support the State of Israel.

    all the rest is just self deception.
     
    Self-deception is endemic to human nature. We all view ourselves more favorably than we objectively are. We are all blind, to at least some degree, to our own faults. Nothing uniquely Jewish.

    From your subsequent comment:

    South Africa and Post soviet russia are two examples of this behavior. They act as a hostile elite and push for radical change and then leave when the place falls apart.
     
    What percentage of the Jews in either place/time you mentioned acted as a "hostile elite" or "push[ed] for radical change"?

    Replies: @bigdicknick

    “Doesn’t nearly everyone vote on the basis of perceived self-interest? For those who have a strong ethnic identity, perceived self-interest will be largely or even primarily ethnic. ”

    Most whites don’t. And the issue with jews is that jews are 2% of the population, but control several strategic industries and are hostile to the white christian majority. They function as a super aggressive hostile elite pushing for radical changes that they would never want were they the majority. Many major issues are decided on the basis of what a tiny minority perceives as being good for it. Prominent examples being: middle eastern foreign policy and immigration policy.

    “You think most of the Jews who vote right-wing in Israel and support restricting immigration there would do the opposite in the US? You think most Jews who vote left-wing in the US and oppose restricting immigration here would do the opposite in Israel? ”

    Yes, and my viewpoint has data behind it: actual opinion surveys of US jews. Take the ADL for example : hardcore zionists and hardcore immigration promoters at the same time. This is why I asked Jack D to produce data supporting his silly idea that Jews in israel would vote republican if they lived here…um no. To the degree that jews like, say trump, it is because he moved the embassy to jerusalem.

  143. @Nachum
    @Cido

    To pick one random example, Bret Stephens once wrote a long column defending Israel against some charge or another but felt obligated to include the fact that his one criticism of Israel is that they aren't admitting African "refugees" with open arms.

    And that's on the right. (Well, in Stephens' case, the so-called "right.") On the left, pretty much every leftist Jew in America thinks Israel should be admitting "refugees" wholesale, and a whole bunch of Israel's very few leftists feel similarly.

    On the other hand, there are some Israeli leftists who are just fine with the wall, but probably think the US needs more immigrants, while there are at least some American Jewish "right-wingers" who defend anything Israel does, including this, but think Trump is eeeeevil for wanting to keep out Mexicans.

    But overall, I'd say there's no black-and-white distinction.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    On the left, pretty much every leftist Jew in America thinks Israel should be admitting “refugees” wholesale, and a whole bunch of Israel’s very few leftists feel similarly.

    Yes, but they’re free to think and feel whatever makes them feel good about themselves, secure in the knowledge that Israel will never ever have open borders.

    Because open borders would mean that Israel is no longer Israel. All you have to do is to look at how America is no longer America. Hey.

  144. @Billy Corr
    @anonymous

    I may well be wrong, or repeating discredited accounts, but the Ethiopian *Jews* have NO detectable DNA as Jews.

    Replies: @Anon, @daniel sebold

    How about the Ethiopians who speak Amharic and Tigre? After all, these are members of the Semitic Language Family along with Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic, the language of Jesus which is still spoken in Turkey, Syria and Iran, all of these languages having evolved from ancient Akkadian now extinct. If the Jews are going to throw around the word “anti-semitism,” then they should own up to to the strong possibility that their DNA is closely tied to the speakers of these languages. Or perhaps the European Jews are not real Semites anymore, have diluted their genes too much, though I doubt it. They should welcome the true Semites into their language. They should not be anti Semitic Euro snobs.

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