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An in-depth study of the workings of an algorithm for assigning police protection geographically has found that white taxpayers are systemically disadvantaged by the system, which shunts most police services to black and Hispanic neighborhoods despite their paying less in taxes.

From The Markup:

Crime Prediction Software Promised to Be Free of Biases. New Data Shows It Perpetuates Them

Millions of crime predictions left on an unsecured server show PredPol mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods, targeted Black and Latino neighborhoods

By Aaron Sankin, Dhruv Mehrotra for Gizmodo, Surya Mattu, and Annie Gilbertson

December 2, 2021 08:00 ET

Between 2018 and 2021, more than one in 33 U.S. residents were potentially subject to police patrol decisions directed by crime prediction software called PredPol.

The company that makes it sent more than 5.9 million of these crime predictions to law enforcement agencies across the country—from California to Florida, Texas to New Jersey—and we found those reports on an unsecured server.

The Markup and Gizmodo analyzed them and found persistent patterns.

Residents of neighborhoods where PredPol suggested few patrols tended to be Whiter and more middle- to upper-income. Many of these areas went years without a single crime prediction.

By contrast, neighborhoods the software targeted for increased patrols were more likely to be home to Blacks, Latinos, and families that would qualify for the federal free and reduced lunch program.

This data represents a smoking gun showing that PredPol is biased toward white citizens getting less police protection per capita.

These communities weren’t just targeted more—in some cases they were targeted relentlessly. Crimes were predicted every day, sometimes multiple times a day, sometimes in multiple locations in the same neighborhood: thousands upon thousands of crime predictions over years. A few neighborhoods in our data were the subject of more than 11,000 predictions.

The software often recommended daily patrols in and around public and subsidized housing, targeting the poorest of the poor.

How much in taxes do public and subsidized housing residents pay to fund all this police protection that they receive? This kind of racial discrimination in the expenditure of taxpayer money must end.

 
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  1. Is the woke subtext that minorities are oppressed because cops go to their neighborhoods all the time and look for people of color to harass and arrest?

    If white Karens weren’t so completely woke they’d want to talk to the cop manager to ask why they can’t get the same services in their neighborhood.

    So whites don’t get the cops they want, and blacks get the cops they don’t want. Everyone loses, hooray!

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    The Narrative change is interesting. Pre-Giuliani the NYPD posted officers on 5th Avenue and Park Avenue and other places to protect "taxpayers," taking little heed to where crime actually occurred.

    The CompStat revolution heralded by Giuliani, Bratton, and Jack Maple (first introduced by Bratton & Maple in the NYC Transit PD) , and the incorporation of broken windows policing (James Q. Wilson & George Kelling--1982) meant deployment was based on where crime occurred.

    Taking criminals off the streets by investigation, apprehension and prosecution was the key to safer streets, safer cities via crime reduction--and not merely using police presence as a form of deterrence.

    Using visible police presence (the number of police cars on patrol in a designated area) as a proxy for "delivering police services" is asinine for getting criminals off the streets.

  2. This is what American newspapers would sound like if Anglo-Saxon families still owned them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They haven't owned them since the 1800s.

    Replies: @Alden

  3. I can predict that you shouldn’t walk near Morningside Park after dark. Tessa Major found that out. Now this young gentleman. He was stabbed by a Jogger-American.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/12/03/columbia-student-stabbed-to-death-morningside-park/

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @Paperback Writer

    Morningside Park was a no-go area, even in daylight, as far back back as the mid-'70's, when I was a student at Columbia.
    When will people learn?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Paperback Writer

    , @Hhsiii
    @Paperback Writer

    I used to go to Terrace in the Sky restaurant at 119th and Morningside back in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s. I interviewed at Columbia in ‘81 and took the C train, the old IND 8th Avenue line uptown. Mistake. I ended up on 116th and Frederick Douglass Blvd. I walked up through Morningside to Columbia. It was daytime so no big deal. Mostly an arduous walk in the heat leaving me a little sweaty for the interview.

    My friend went to film school at Columbia. He lived on Tieman Place near Grant’s Tomb. Was there many times. And I lived for a time with my cousin at 108th and Amsterdam. 1989-90. A little dicey. You want to be west of Columbus. Take the 1 train. I took the elevated train at the 125th stop on Broadway many times, often after midnight. Where Al Pacino gets on the train chased by mafioso in Carlito’s Way. I got mugged once, but farther downtown, 103rd street stop.

    My Uncle was a Columbia history professor in the ‘60s to early ‘70s. All I can recall was my cousins had a jungle gym in their apartment on the upper west side.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  4. The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.

    Sure. We’ve spent the whole of the last two years hearing people complain about how white “Karens” call the police far too often. But now they’ve got a software program to demonize, so they’re going to try to convince us of the exact opposite.

    Anyhow, the funny thing is that Gizmodo, the website where I came across this article, tends to have a rather far left readership. Yet even there the comments on this article run towards the incredulous. In my experience you have to work really, really hard to post a political story on Gizmodo and have most of the commenters come out against you.

    And for that matter….it took seven journalists to write this story. It took seven people with college degrees to come to the shocking conclusion that a piece of software designed to help cops police the most crime ridden neighborhoods tends to send a lot of cops to neighborhoods with lots of blacks and Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Wilkey


    The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.
     
    Once you've made the mistake of reporting violent crime at the hands of friendly negroes once or twice, you learn real quick never to do it again. Contrary to mass media propaganda, the entire "criminal justice" system doesn't want to hear a single thing about it, and has many ways of punishing you if you try.
    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    Where are the comments to this article? I can’t find them. Thanks!

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Jared Nelson
    @Wilkey

    It's at this point my praise for Sailor's wit comes out in y b

  5. This data represents a smoking gun showing that PredPol is biased toward white citizens getting less police protection per capita.

    The disproportionate use of ALL social services by non-Whites requires a book or dedicated website.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Sick of Orcs


    The disproportionate use of ALL social services by non-Whites
     
    ... needs to be reduced by proportion to population, and condemned as appropriate by such parasitism... AS parasitism.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @Sick of Orcs

    Here's one:

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2020/03/19/fiscal-impact-by-race-in-2018/

    [Spoiler alert: whites and Asians are public cash flow net positive, Hispanics and blacks are cash flow negative, blacks radically so.]

    Replies: @Wilkey

  6. Ironically, the police are more of a hindrance for white neighborhoods then a help. If they did not go into them, the local residents could simply take care of the riffraff themselves. Increasingly, whether it is Kyle Rittenhouse or the blokes who were convicted in the Ahmed Aubry trial, they did not seem to need any help; the cops were just there to protect the anti-white criminals who are are becoming like sacred cows.

  7. @Paperback Writer
    I can predict that you shouldn't walk near Morningside Park after dark. Tessa Major found that out. Now this young gentleman. He was stabbed by a Jogger-American.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/12/03/columbia-student-stabbed-to-death-morningside-park/

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Hhsiii

    Morningside Park was a no-go area, even in daylight, as far back back as the mid-’70’s, when I was a student at Columbia.
    When will people learn?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @additionalMike

    I can only surmise that Columbia is just an ongoing magnetic vortex that draws the seemingly unlimited supply of stupid people from all over the country into it. Now, in this most recent case at Temple, it's my understanding that the Soyboy Sam Adams sipping socialist was raised in a home that wasn't all that far away from Temple.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @additionalMike

    Of course I remember that back in the 70s (and 80s and 90s and 00s) that was a no-go area. But after the Bratton Crackdown, the area became much more safe. That said, both Tessa and this fellow were foolish to walk there after dark without being mentally armed.

    Tessa most of all, as a tiny little woman who walked RIGHT INTO Morningside Park. The Italian fellow was a soccer player and he was walking home near the park. So he's got an excuse, although he should have been much more alert to the dangers of Jogger-Americans. I won't post a picture of the killer but suffice it to say he is evil looking. However, it may have been very quick.

    It's the human cost of living in America. And we can't even say it out loud.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  8. Community militias and Millets are the only sustainable answer.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Boomthorkell

    I agree that the militia is better than unionized cops, but community .. gardens?

    The employment of IT to predict crime would seem to be a good use of tax dollars, but as a rule, I don't hear that response times -- even in areas with greater police presence -- have quickened to any significant extent. (The schools have all sorts of costly predictors for identifying at-risk students. It makes no difference.)

    The reality is that when the government "invests" (flushes) money, nothing beneficial to taxpayers comes from it. Even if, by shear luck, the spending actually produced a positive return (e.g. improved operational efficiency due to shorter travel distance between cop and crime location), the government would just spend the money saved on some other, wasteful item (e.g. PERS).

    Indeed, the technology just seems like a scam cooked up to enrich the politically connected folks (e.g. a Hunter) behind the firm. If, as we should infer from these threads, the seconds immediately after the crime are worth minutes of shorter response time, then of what practical advantage is there to this software? It's not as though a machine prediction that a violent crime will occur tonight, on some floor in a housing project, gives cops the authority to post an officer in the hallway.

    Besides, there's probably an uncertainty principle at work: If you know where a crime will occur, then you don't know when.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  9. @Sick of Orcs

    This data represents a smoking gun showing that PredPol is biased toward white citizens getting less police protection per capita.
     
    The disproportionate use of ALL social services by non-Whites requires a book or dedicated website.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Almost Missouri

    The disproportionate use of ALL social services by non-Whites

    … needs to be reduced by proportion to population, and condemned as appropriate by such parasitism… AS parasitism.

  10. So none of the authors have ever been around large groups of poor people, I’m guessing?

  11. I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @John Henry
    @obwandiyag

    I read it that way too. The algorithm is biased to sending the cops where they are needed.

    , @He's Spartacus
    @obwandiyag

    I think there's a certain amount of irony in the subtext that you're missing.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @fish
    @obwandiyag

    I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.


    Why .....? Unz readers would have understood that an algorithm that predicts crime would of course send police patrols to black (without a doubt) and Hispanic (not as bad but still...) neighborhoods!

    That the authors of the article are so puzzled by this is the issue at hand.

  12. mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods

    Wigger alert!

    What is the “Markup”, anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson’s baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Reg Cæsar

    Based on the above picture, White trash.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @tyrone, @Mr. Rational

    , @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fat-assed white girl, or, in the modern vernacular, a PAWG. Black guy crack.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/04/05/51316363-10273929-She_previously_competed_in_body_building_according_to_social_med-a-36_1638596273668.jpg

    She killed herself to stay in shape, but she's all done with that. It was time to find a dumbass to support her for the near future. What better place to find such a patsy than the NBA?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Paperback Writer

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's some ruff stuff.

    , @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson’s baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian


    I'm sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Mike Tre

    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Reg Cæsar

    I didn't know Amerimutt was based on a true story.

  13. A funny thing about this article is it hyperventilates about the software predicting lots of crime in Black/Brown areas, but says zero about actual crime rates in those areas.

    Weird.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Moses

    They'd probably explain that there's more detected crime in those areas because there are so many cops around. White neighbourhoods are hotbeds of hidden crime, protected by the racist algorithm. If a tree falls in the wood...

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Brian Reilly

  14. Blacks want less-patrolled and thereby less-safe neighborhoods and Whites want more-patrolled and thereby safer neighborhoods. The political bureaucracy wants to lower aggregate crime rates and so mis-allocates heavy patrolling to Black neighborhoods that do not want heavy patrolling. There should be a more even re-allocation of police patrolling, away from Black neighborhoods (very heavily patrolled) to White neighborhoods (only lightly patrolled). It would raise the aggregate crime rate but make both communities better off in terms of the police presence/crime risk tradeoff that each community on average prefers. Average preferences are not the same in the two communities.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @Peter Johnson

    The entire black-on-white predation problem could be solved overnight by adopting explicitly race based self-defense laws. For instance, the test for a good shoot against a black in a white area might be mere reasonable suspicion. But explicit race-based laws are likely to be a non-starter until things get bad enough that other more vigorous solutions might spontaneously ignite.

    A more attainable goal would be simply to devolve, or assert, more autonomy at the local level, allowing jurisdictions to dictate broad policy goals, like how much violent crime they will tolerate, then giving them a free hand to meet those benchmarks by whatever reasonable means they deem fit. If racial profiling, harsh punishments and loose ROE deter crime, then whose business is it but that locality's as to whether the costs imposed by zealous enforcement are outweighed by the benefits?

    There is really no one to argue against it but tyrants.

  15. @Reg Cæsar

    mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods
     
    Wigger alert!

    What is the "Markup", anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson's baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian



    https://celebsaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/4d7a33d2943ec1d32e397a381b1567.jpg

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Brutusale, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @fish, @Negrolphin Pool

    Based on the above picture, White trash.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Nicholas Stix

    A tinge of Meghan Markle.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @tyrone
    @Nicholas Stix

    Dirt squirrel or mud shark to be precise. Come on , don't you have a tiny soft spot for white trash, why should wretched refuse get all the breaks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Nicholas Stix

    Not just trash.  Coal-burner.

  16. @Moses
    A funny thing about this article is it hyperventilates about the software predicting lots of crime in Black/Brown areas, but says zero about actual crime rates in those areas.

    Weird.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    They’d probably explain that there’s more detected crime in those areas because there are so many cops around. White neighbourhoods are hotbeds of hidden crime, protected by the racist algorithm. If a tree falls in the wood…

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Rob McX

    We don't have to sort recyclables any more so crime fell 95%.....white neighborhoods ,YIPEE!.....maybe that algorithm's great grandpa was a slave catcher name Al Gore.....if a tree falls in the woods saw it up before the bugs get in it

    , @Alfa158
    @Rob McX

    You scoff but many Black people actually believe that crime stats for Whites would be just as high if only there were as many aggressive cops occupying their neighborhoods and uncovering those crimes. White people are simply getting away with more crimes.
    Also that:
    The cops are more likely to let White perpetrators go for the same crimes.
    Cops are less likely to shoot Whites when attacked by them.
    Many crimes attributed to Blacks are committed by White criminals in blackface.
    The Man reduces stats in White crimes by falsifying official reports, for example reporting White murder victims as having died in traffic accidents.
    Surely, there must be more White crime because all the criminals in movies, TV shows and commercials are White.
    James Cagney Angels with Dirty Faces theory of crime. James Cagney became a gangster and Pat O’Brien became a priest because as kids Cagney was arrested and O’Brien got away. Many Blacks are only criminals because they have been arrested and incarcerated. A criminal is a person who has been arrested and jailed, therefore if the popo stopped arresting and imprisoning Blacks, then logically they wouldn’t be criminals.

    , @Brian Reilly
    @Rob McX

    Rob, Guilty as charged. Just this morning I mixed household cleaners in a way that violates Federal law and...ripped the tag of a mattress. Then I stole a kiss from my wife.

    Dirty underbelly of criminal activity indeed.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  17. I believe the cops use the algorithms as cover to help in “profiling” lawsuits and complaints. They already know where the crime hot spots are. These authors want to remove that cover.

    • Agree: tyrone, fish
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Ralph L

    I'd say that's right. They thought nobody could say they're racist if science backs them up. But now science is racist and you're racist too if you let it guide your police work.

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Ralph L

    They can take the human element completely out of it and just like the predictive crime computer directly to the shot spotter (gun shot detection devices that triangulate the location of where the shots originalted from), and use that to decide which neightborhoods need more policing.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  18. Finally!!!
    Proof of self-fulfilling prophecy outside the lab; prediction causes crime,
    so all that´s needed to achieve equity is predicting a few more crimes in
    the affluent White hoods 😀

    OK, seriously:
    That they use software to apportion patrols tells us that
    – they are seriously overstretched re: manpower
    – they are deathly afraid of lawsuits (if the patrols were apportioned according to
    probability they´d be breathing down D´wonte´s neck day and night, and they
    have to be able to prove Karen gets her fair share).

    So what would be the alternatives?
    – Apportionment per capita; can´t have that, for it would take away the excuse there
    would be no crime without de popo outright looking for it (don´t laugh –
    they really believe that).
    – Apportionment by tax shilling i.e. privatization (cf. Crassus´fire department 😛 );
    this will probably be the future anyway
    (I can see it now:”Listen. Here´s the deal: I want no joggers. I don´t want to know how you do it but I see joggers you don´t get paid.”).

  19. This paragraph gives away the game:

    The study authors developed a potential tweak to the algorithm that they said resulted in a more even distribution of crime predictions. But they found its predictions were less in line with later crime reports, making it less accurate than the original algorithm, although still “potentially more accurate” than human predictions.

    And the game is: stop noticing, you damn racists! And that means you too, artificial intelligence. And if you don’t stop, we’ll punish you by breaking you.

    No one who is trying to solve a real problem would do this: “making it less accurate than the original algorithm” and “potentially more accurate than human predictions”.

    This is all Crimestop.

  20. @Paperback Writer
    I can predict that you shouldn't walk near Morningside Park after dark. Tessa Major found that out. Now this young gentleman. He was stabbed by a Jogger-American.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/12/03/columbia-student-stabbed-to-death-morningside-park/

    Replies: @additionalMike, @Hhsiii

    I used to go to Terrace in the Sky restaurant at 119th and Morningside back in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s. I interviewed at Columbia in ‘81 and took the C train, the old IND 8th Avenue line uptown. Mistake. I ended up on 116th and Frederick Douglass Blvd. I walked up through Morningside to Columbia. It was daytime so no big deal. Mostly an arduous walk in the heat leaving me a little sweaty for the interview.

    My friend went to film school at Columbia. He lived on Tieman Place near Grant’s Tomb. Was there many times. And I lived for a time with my cousin at 108th and Amsterdam. 1989-90. A little dicey. You want to be west of Columbus. Take the 1 train. I took the elevated train at the 125th stop on Broadway many times, often after midnight. Where Al Pacino gets on the train chased by mafioso in Carlito’s Way. I got mugged once, but farther downtown, 103rd street stop.

    My Uncle was a Columbia history professor in the ‘60s to early ‘70s. All I can recall was my cousins had a jungle gym in their apartment on the upper west side.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Hhsiii

    I was unaware of Morningside Park's toxic reputation when I first arrived at its pathway base. Looking up the tree-shrouded pathway convinced me that discretion called for a tactical turn-around! In retrospect: One of my best decisions!

  21. @Rob McX
    @Moses

    They'd probably explain that there's more detected crime in those areas because there are so many cops around. White neighbourhoods are hotbeds of hidden crime, protected by the racist algorithm. If a tree falls in the wood...

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Brian Reilly

    We don’t have to sort recyclables any more so crime fell 95%…..white neighborhoods ,YIPEE!…..maybe that algorithm’s great grandpa was a slave catcher name Al Gore…..if a tree falls in the woods saw it up before the bugs get in it

  22. @Nicholas Stix
    @Reg Cæsar

    Based on the above picture, White trash.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @tyrone, @Mr. Rational

    A tinge of Meghan Markle.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Hhsiii

    There are more photos at the dm link. Her parents both look completely white.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

  23. @Nicholas Stix
    @Reg Cæsar

    Based on the above picture, White trash.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @tyrone, @Mr. Rational

    Dirt squirrel or mud shark to be precise. Come on , don’t you have a tiny soft spot for white trash, why should wretched refuse get all the breaks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @tyrone


    Come on , don’t you have a tiny soft spot for white trash
     
    Not when they replicate NBA DNA. And what about those lips?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  24. @Hhsiii
    @Paperback Writer

    I used to go to Terrace in the Sky restaurant at 119th and Morningside back in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s. I interviewed at Columbia in ‘81 and took the C train, the old IND 8th Avenue line uptown. Mistake. I ended up on 116th and Frederick Douglass Blvd. I walked up through Morningside to Columbia. It was daytime so no big deal. Mostly an arduous walk in the heat leaving me a little sweaty for the interview.

    My friend went to film school at Columbia. He lived on Tieman Place near Grant’s Tomb. Was there many times. And I lived for a time with my cousin at 108th and Amsterdam. 1989-90. A little dicey. You want to be west of Columbus. Take the 1 train. I took the elevated train at the 125th stop on Broadway many times, often after midnight. Where Al Pacino gets on the train chased by mafioso in Carlito’s Way. I got mugged once, but farther downtown, 103rd street stop.

    My Uncle was a Columbia history professor in the ‘60s to early ‘70s. All I can recall was my cousins had a jungle gym in their apartment on the upper west side.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    I was unaware of Morningside Park’s toxic reputation when I first arrived at its pathway base. Looking up the tree-shrouded pathway convinced me that discretion called for a tactical turn-around! In retrospect: One of my best decisions!

  25. It would be funny if they just input the local demographics and tell the PD to look for crime in black neighborhoods. That’ll be \$400,000, thank you

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @Mikeja

    I’m curious what the inputs are. The term crime prediction brings to mind PKD, which means you can charge more than somebody offering to optimize manpower allocation.

  26. @Hhsiii
    @Nicholas Stix

    A tinge of Meghan Markle.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    There are more photos at the dm link. Her parents both look completely white.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Mike Tre

    I think he was suggesting that this Nichols woman might be related to someone like Tom Nichols.

  27. @Nicholas Stix
    @Reg Cæsar

    Based on the above picture, White trash.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @tyrone, @Mr. Rational

    Not just trash.  Coal-burner.

  28. What’s the point of the US owning various island colonies and not using them to dump these troublesome people onto? Or if the island acreage is too small, use Alaska. Hell, if Alaska had remained Russian that’s doubtless what the Tsar and then the Commies would have have used it for.

    Got it! The Aleutians are American aren’t they? The federation could buy or rent them from the state and set up the Facility for Archipelago Social Housing (FASH). Discipline could be imposed on the occupants by turning the power on and off. A spot of FASHism is just what these people need.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @dearieme

    Alaska is a beautiful state, why ruin it by dumping trash up there? International prison colonies in Antarctica, would make a better dumping ground for the world's criminals. Let them see who are the toughest. Bets can be placed on how many survivors emerge from the insulated Quanset huts after 5 months of a -60° winter. A percentage of the bets can be used to fund their food & housing, similar to state lottery funds and schools.

  29. @obwandiyag
    I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.

    Replies: @John Henry, @He's Spartacus, @fish

    I read it that way too. The algorithm is biased to sending the cops where they are needed.

  30. @additionalMike
    @Paperback Writer

    Morningside Park was a no-go area, even in daylight, as far back back as the mid-'70's, when I was a student at Columbia.
    When will people learn?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Paperback Writer

    I can only surmise that Columbia is just an ongoing magnetic vortex that draws the seemingly unlimited supply of stupid people from all over the country into it. Now, in this most recent case at Temple, it’s my understanding that the Soyboy Sam Adams sipping socialist was raised in a home that wasn’t all that far away from Temple.

  31. I wonder what PredPol instructs cops to do in mostly White cities that are like Charleston, WV.

  32. @Reg Cæsar

    mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods
     
    Wigger alert!

    What is the "Markup", anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson's baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian



    https://celebsaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/4d7a33d2943ec1d32e397a381b1567.jpg

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Brutusale, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @fish, @Negrolphin Pool

    Fat-assed white girl, or, in the modern vernacular, a PAWG. Black guy crack.

    She killed herself to stay in shape, but she’s all done with that. It was time to find a dumbass to support her for the near future. What better place to find such a patsy than the NBA?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Brutusale

    Is that honestly the same woman?

    If so, HOLY CRAP!

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Brutusale

    Yowza, she's had a huge amount of work done. Nose, boobs, lips.

  33. @Reg Cæsar

    mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods
     
    Wigger alert!

    What is the "Markup", anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson's baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian



    https://celebsaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/4d7a33d2943ec1d32e397a381b1567.jpg

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Brutusale, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @fish, @Negrolphin Pool

    That’s some ruff stuff.

  34. More police where more police needed and never mind who pays more taxes.
    Of course.

    Perhaps the trend toward “de-policing” will change this?

  35. @Wilkey

    The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.
     
    Sure. We've spent the whole of the last two years hearing people complain about how white "Karens" call the police far too often. But now they've got a software program to demonize, so they're going to try to convince us of the exact opposite.

    Anyhow, the funny thing is that Gizmodo, the website where I came across this article, tends to have a rather far left readership. Yet even there the comments on this article run towards the incredulous. In my experience you have to work really, really hard to post a political story on Gizmodo and have most of the commenters come out against you.

    And for that matter....it took seven journalists to write this story. It took seven people with college degrees to come to the shocking conclusion that a piece of software designed to help cops police the most crime ridden neighborhoods tends to send a lot of cops to neighborhoods with lots of blacks and Hispanics.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anonymous, @Jared Nelson

    The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.

    Once you’ve made the mistake of reporting violent crime at the hands of friendly negroes once or twice, you learn real quick never to do it again. Contrary to mass media propaganda, the entire “criminal justice” system doesn’t want to hear a single thing about it, and has many ways of punishing you if you try.

  36. Sure – but that is how policing has always worked.
    First You don’t get special privileges because you pay tax (that is right wing propaganda).
    Just the opposite, those that have high income have disadvantages, one of which is to pay more taxes but there are more.
    No one would suggest that medicare should be distributed equally amongst rich and poor. So why should policing?

  37. @additionalMike
    @Paperback Writer

    Morningside Park was a no-go area, even in daylight, as far back back as the mid-'70's, when I was a student at Columbia.
    When will people learn?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Paperback Writer

    Of course I remember that back in the 70s (and 80s and 90s and 00s) that was a no-go area. But after the Bratton Crackdown, the area became much more safe. That said, both Tessa and this fellow were foolish to walk there after dark without being mentally armed.

    Tessa most of all, as a tiny little woman who walked RIGHT INTO Morningside Park. The Italian fellow was a soccer player and he was walking home near the park. So he’s got an excuse, although he should have been much more alert to the dangers of Jogger-Americans. I won’t post a picture of the killer but suffice it to say he is evil looking. However, it may have been very quick.

    It’s the human cost of living in America. And we can’t even say it out loud.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Paperback Writer

    I got mugged by a bunch of joggers on Amsterdam Avenue about 123rd Street as I returned from the grocery store. They snuck up behind me and tossed a rope around my neck. They took my money (not much) but left me my wallet and IDs. This was probably 1970 about 8pm.

    Amsterdam Avenue gets worse north of about 120th Street and it would be more dangerous later at night. Everyone knew to stay the hell out of Morningside Park even in the day time.

  38. @Rob McX
    @Moses

    They'd probably explain that there's more detected crime in those areas because there are so many cops around. White neighbourhoods are hotbeds of hidden crime, protected by the racist algorithm. If a tree falls in the wood...

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Brian Reilly

    You scoff but many Black people actually believe that crime stats for Whites would be just as high if only there were as many aggressive cops occupying their neighborhoods and uncovering those crimes. White people are simply getting away with more crimes.
    Also that:
    The cops are more likely to let White perpetrators go for the same crimes.
    Cops are less likely to shoot Whites when attacked by them.
    Many crimes attributed to Blacks are committed by White criminals in blackface.
    The Man reduces stats in White crimes by falsifying official reports, for example reporting White murder victims as having died in traffic accidents.
    Surely, there must be more White crime because all the criminals in movies, TV shows and commercials are White.
    James Cagney Angels with Dirty Faces theory of crime. James Cagney became a gangster and Pat O’Brien became a priest because as kids Cagney was arrested and O’Brien got away. Many Blacks are only criminals because they have been arrested and incarcerated. A criminal is a person who has been arrested and jailed, therefore if the popo stopped arresting and imprisoning Blacks, then logically they wouldn’t be criminals.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Thanks: Redneck farmer, John Regan
  39. @Rob McX
    @Moses

    They'd probably explain that there's more detected crime in those areas because there are so many cops around. White neighbourhoods are hotbeds of hidden crime, protected by the racist algorithm. If a tree falls in the wood...

    Replies: @tyrone, @Alfa158, @Brian Reilly

    Rob, Guilty as charged. Just this morning I mixed household cleaners in a way that violates Federal law and…ripped the tag of a mattress. Then I stole a kiss from my wife.

    Dirty underbelly of criminal activity indeed.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Brian Reilly

    Chuckle.

    Now, if a black man committed those deeds, under Newlaw, they'd be non-crimes. But let a White man commit them, and they're all felonies.

    Ripped the tag off a mattress, indeed! And sexual assault! But the mixing of household cleaners... oh, my! Life, for sure!

  40. @tyrone
    @Nicholas Stix

    Dirt squirrel or mud shark to be precise. Come on , don't you have a tiny soft spot for white trash, why should wretched refuse get all the breaks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Come on , don’t you have a tiny soft spot for white trash

    Not when they replicate NBA DNA. And what about those lips?

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Reg Cæsar


    And what about those lips?
     
    Right?

    Looks like some third-tier plastic surgery work to me.
  41. I’m not sure I see the problem. It seems like police should focus their attention on the areas with the highest criminal demographic. Maybe try to prevent crimes instead of just react to them.

  42. @Ralph L
    I believe the cops use the algorithms as cover to help in "profiling" lawsuits and complaints. They already know where the crime hot spots are. These authors want to remove that cover.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Sick 'n Tired

    I’d say that’s right. They thought nobody could say they’re racist if science backs them up. But now science is racist and you’re racist too if you let it guide your police work.

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @tyrone


    Come on , don’t you have a tiny soft spot for white trash
     
    Not when they replicate NBA DNA. And what about those lips?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    And what about those lips?

    Right?

    Looks like some third-tier plastic surgery work to me.

  44. “But mama, that’s where the crime is.”

  45. Over the years I’ve noticed that many of Michigan’s musicians and other stars, white as well as black, have surnames with Southern roots. Nugent, Tomlin, Crenshaw, Whitmer, etc.

    In case you’re wondering, the name Crumbley concentrates in Georgia. In the UK, it’s County Durham, with a second, smaller grouping in Lancashire. Make of this what you will.

    http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-viaggi-e-tradizioni-italia#.Yaue19BME0g
    https://www.surnamemap.eu/unitedkingdom/

  46. @Wilkey

    The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.
     
    Sure. We've spent the whole of the last two years hearing people complain about how white "Karens" call the police far too often. But now they've got a software program to demonize, so they're going to try to convince us of the exact opposite.

    Anyhow, the funny thing is that Gizmodo, the website where I came across this article, tends to have a rather far left readership. Yet even there the comments on this article run towards the incredulous. In my experience you have to work really, really hard to post a political story on Gizmodo and have most of the commenters come out against you.

    And for that matter....it took seven journalists to write this story. It took seven people with college degrees to come to the shocking conclusion that a piece of software designed to help cops police the most crime ridden neighborhoods tends to send a lot of cops to neighborhoods with lots of blacks and Hispanics.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anonymous, @Jared Nelson

    Where are the comments to this article? I can’t find them. Thanks!

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    Look for the article on gizmodo.com, not the link that Steve provided. Comments are at the end of the article.

  47. “The biggest problem with being poor in the United States is living around other poor people” — AnotherDad.

    We’re in nut world now. Everything the minoritarians cough up is either a lie or a disastrous policy for Americans.

    An immigration halt is the single best policy–more jobs, higher wages, lower housing costs–for blacks. (And for everyone else.) But right after that would be extremely aggressive policing.

    The plain fact is black neighborhood are particularly bad because of black criminals. Something in the ball park of 20-25% of black men are criminals, inveterate troublemakers, assholes. Removing them from the community–while certainly not creating whitetopias–would make black neighborhoods considerable more livable and dramatically raise the quality of life and “lived experience” of blacks.

    Of the 20+ million black American males, probably something like 2 million shouldn’t be on the streets. (Less than 20% because there’s a prime age range of assholery.) Ongoing if we were permanently removing 50-100,000 blacks from the population every year–execution, the Aleutians, back to Africa (if any nation was dumb enough to take them)–life for everyone would get much, much better.

    And down the road … if you continually remove the troublemakers from civilization so that black women can not breed with them, every generation gets a bit better. Maybe the next generation is only 17% criminal assholes. Then 15% …

    More aggressive policing and law enforcement, not less, is what blacks need.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    That's my preferred solution, logistically simpler than breaking up the country. One assault, one smash'n'grab? You're off to Ghana with a 1-way ticket. The US has got to get rid of the trash.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Mr. Rational

    , @hhsiii
    @AnotherDad

    The ACLU has gone from protecting civil liberties to promoting criminal liberties. I like how they say the $82 billion spent on the incarceration system (I’m sure it’s more than that) would be better spent elsewhere, but they’d be the first to complain about poor prison services.

    https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/mass-incarceration

    Also, I highly doubt 1 in 3 black boys born is destined for prison. I wonder how they came up with that number. I was listening to Michelle Williams on New Yorker Radio Hour and she completely dodged the question about how only 5% of prisoners are in for non-violent drug offenses. And I think people seem to forget the violence accompanying crack that led to crime bill in early ‘90s.

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    The Turks had many black slaves. A very few were the extremely expensive eunuchs. Most, like 99.5 were women. And despite the fact that the Turkish men bred with their black women slaves as much as with their European White women slaves; no mulatto quadroon babies ever arrived to breed with each other and contaminate Turkey with the Black Plague.

    Of course Turkey was wealthy enough it didn’t have to breed human livestock. Plenty of money to renew the live stock from the Tartar Jewish Armenian and Arab slave traders.

    Between democrats breeding generation after generations of criminals on welfare and Republican cheap labor anti abortion advocates America is rapidly breeding and importing itself into a nation that will be average 82 IQ in another 100 years.

    I cruised by free Republic yesterday. Mass hysteria about Roe vs Wade. Sob sob sob all those black and brown babies who will never be born. Justice Barrett is highly praised for suggesting adoption. Yeah right, just what we need is more Colin Kaepernicks.

  48. By Aaron Sankin, Dhruv Mehrotra for Gizmodo, Surya Mattu,

    Jews and foreigners.

    I dream of one day being able to deport at least 100mm Paperwork-Americans.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @William Badwhite

    Sankin is Black as it happens. Also a Rice alumnus.

  49. @John Milton’s Ghost
    Is the woke subtext that minorities are oppressed because cops go to their neighborhoods all the time and look for people of color to harass and arrest?

    If white Karens weren’t so completely woke they’d want to talk to the cop manager to ask why they can’t get the same services in their neighborhood.

    So whites don’t get the cops they want, and blacks get the cops they don’t want. Everyone loses, hooray!

    Replies: @Forbes

    The Narrative change is interesting. Pre-Giuliani the NYPD posted officers on 5th Avenue and Park Avenue and other places to protect “taxpayers,” taking little heed to where crime actually occurred.

    The CompStat revolution heralded by Giuliani, Bratton, and Jack Maple (first introduced by Bratton & Maple in the NYC Transit PD) , and the incorporation of broken windows policing (James Q. Wilson & George Kelling–1982) meant deployment was based on where crime occurred.

    Taking criminals off the streets by investigation, apprehension and prosecution was the key to safer streets, safer cities via crime reduction–and not merely using police presence as a form of deterrence.

    Using visible police presence (the number of police cars on patrol in a designated area) as a proxy for “delivering police services” is asinine for getting criminals off the streets.

  50. By contrast, neighborhoods the software targeted for increased patrols were more likely to be home to Blacks, Latinos, and families that would qualify for the federal free and reduced lunch program.

    Question is: how accurate were those predictions?

  51. @obwandiyag
    I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.

    Replies: @John Henry, @He's Spartacus, @fish

    I think there’s a certain amount of irony in the subtext that you’re missing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @He's Spartacus


    @obwandiyag
    I think there’s a certain amount of irony in the subtext that you’re missing.
     
    He takes his screen name from a defunct and unmissed downscale auto brand. Why would you expect any different?


    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vx1QGezUIcQ/hqdefault.jpg
  52. I’ve noticed that some of the commenters here did not perceive the sarcasm in the title, nor in Steve’s commentary.

    That’s pretty funny.

    • Agree: JMcG
  53. we found those reports on an unsecured server

    This is why I have no fear of the mythical ‘tech surveillance’ nonsense.

    Turns out that pretty much all enterprise development is eventually outsourced to a \$7/hr pajeet on a gig website, and the entire backend is running Windows Server 2012R2 and is unpatched since first install.

    If this were a ‘Terminator‘ film, it would only be 5 minutes long – because the ‘Resistance’ would find all the control codes for SkyNet in an unsecured web-facing AWS bucket.

  54. @obwandiyag
    I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.

    Replies: @John Henry, @He's Spartacus, @fish

    I would have thought you would have said it was good they send cops to where all the crimes are.

    Man, the spin is dizzying in this zone.

    Why …..? Unz readers would have understood that an algorithm that predicts crime would of course send police patrols to black (without a doubt) and Hispanic (not as bad but still…) neighborhoods!

    That the authors of the article are so puzzled by this is the issue at hand.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  55. @Reg Cæsar

    mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods
     
    Wigger alert!

    What is the "Markup", anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson's baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian



    https://celebsaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/4d7a33d2943ec1d32e397a381b1567.jpg

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Brutusale, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @fish, @Negrolphin Pool

    “Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson’s baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian

    I’m sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @fish

    The Kardashians, being Orthodox, will have a few weeks to process.

    , @Mike Tre
    @fish

    "I’m sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas. "

    Really? A baby momma on the side seems pretty G rated for the Keystone Kardashians. She's probably bringing the cranberry sauce. Kanye will probably be wearing a gimp suit and be stuffed in a trunk by the fireplace.

  56. @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fat-assed white girl, or, in the modern vernacular, a PAWG. Black guy crack.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/04/05/51316363-10273929-She_previously_competed_in_body_building_according_to_social_med-a-36_1638596273668.jpg

    She killed herself to stay in shape, but she's all done with that. It was time to find a dumbass to support her for the near future. What better place to find such a patsy than the NBA?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Paperback Writer

    Is that honestly the same woman?

    If so, HOLY CRAP!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Mr. Rational

    Yep.

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftsbnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F12%2FPersonal-trainer-Maralee-Nichols-31-gives-birth-to-NBA-star-Tristan-Thompsons-baby-boy-while-still-dating-Khloe-Kardashian-tsbnews.com1_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    Sir Mix-a-lot told the truth 30 years ago!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X53ZSxkQ3Ho

  57. @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fat-assed white girl, or, in the modern vernacular, a PAWG. Black guy crack.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/04/05/51316363-10273929-She_previously_competed_in_body_building_according_to_social_med-a-36_1638596273668.jpg

    She killed herself to stay in shape, but she's all done with that. It was time to find a dumbass to support her for the near future. What better place to find such a patsy than the NBA?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Paperback Writer

    Yowza, she’s had a huge amount of work done. Nose, boobs, lips.

  58. @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson’s baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian


    I'm sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Mike Tre

    The Kardashians, being Orthodox, will have a few weeks to process.

  59. Policing is the biggest wealth redistribution gift in America. Rich people voluntarily pay for police to protect poorer people from the predators who’d prey on them. In other societies, the rich only protect themselves

  60. @He's Spartacus
    @obwandiyag

    I think there's a certain amount of irony in the subtext that you're missing.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    I think there’s a certain amount of irony in the subtext that you’re missing.

    He takes his screen name from a defunct and unmissed downscale auto brand. Why would you expect any different?

    • Thanks: Negrolphin Pool
  61. @Mike Tre
    @Hhsiii

    There are more photos at the dm link. Her parents both look completely white.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    I think he was suggesting that this Nichols woman might be related to someone like Tom Nichols.

  62. @William Badwhite

    By Aaron Sankin, Dhruv Mehrotra for Gizmodo, Surya Mattu,
     
    Jews and foreigners.

    I dream of one day being able to deport at least 100mm Paperwork-Americans.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Sankin is Black as it happens. Also a Rice alumnus.

  63. @AnotherDad
    "The biggest problem with being poor in the United States is living around other poor people" -- AnotherDad.


    We're in nut world now. Everything the minoritarians cough up is either a lie or a disastrous policy for Americans.

    An immigration halt is the single best policy--more jobs, higher wages, lower housing costs--for blacks. (And for everyone else.) But right after that would be extremely aggressive policing.

    The plain fact is black neighborhood are particularly bad because of black criminals. Something in the ball park of 20-25% of black men are criminals, inveterate troublemakers, assholes. Removing them from the community--while certainly not creating whitetopias--would make black neighborhoods considerable more livable and dramatically raise the quality of life and "lived experience" of blacks.

    Of the 20+ million black American males, probably something like 2 million shouldn't be on the streets. (Less than 20% because there's a prime age range of assholery.) Ongoing if we were permanently removing 50-100,000 blacks from the population every year--execution, the Aleutians, back to Africa (if any nation was dumb enough to take them)--life for everyone would get much, much better.

    And down the road ... if you continually remove the troublemakers from civilization so that black women can not breed with them, every generation gets a bit better. Maybe the next generation is only 17% criminal assholes. Then 15% ...

    More aggressive policing and law enforcement, not less, is what blacks need.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @hhsiii, @Alden

    That’s my preferred solution, logistically simpler than breaking up the country. One assault, one smash’n’grab? You’re off to Ghana with a 1-way ticket. The US has got to get rid of the trash.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Mike_from_SGV

    It is true that Ghana has offered automatic citizenship to US victims
    of racial persecution but you´d need a permanently stationed
    carrier battle group to keep them from changing their minds
    when they see the first arrivals.

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Mike_from_SGV

    As long as we can persuade (meaning, pay) Ghana to take them.

    Replies: @ziggurat

  64. @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson’s baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian


    I'm sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Mike Tre

    “I’m sure this will make for an awkward dinner at the Kardashian Kompound this Christmas. ”

    Really? A baby momma on the side seems pretty G rated for the Keystone Kardashians. She’s probably bringing the cranberry sauce. Kanye will probably be wearing a gimp suit and be stuffed in a trunk by the fireplace.

  65. @Brian Reilly
    @Rob McX

    Rob, Guilty as charged. Just this morning I mixed household cleaners in a way that violates Federal law and...ripped the tag of a mattress. Then I stole a kiss from my wife.

    Dirty underbelly of criminal activity indeed.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Chuckle.

    Now, if a black man committed those deeds, under Newlaw, they’d be non-crimes. But let a White man commit them, and they’re all felonies.

    Ripped the tag off a mattress, indeed! And sexual assault! But the mixing of household cleaners… oh, my! Life, for sure!

  66. @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    Where are the comments to this article? I can’t find them. Thanks!

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Look for the article on gizmodo.com, not the link that Steve provided. Comments are at the end of the article.

  67. @Ralph L
    I believe the cops use the algorithms as cover to help in "profiling" lawsuits and complaints. They already know where the crime hot spots are. These authors want to remove that cover.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Sick 'n Tired

    They can take the human element completely out of it and just like the predictive crime computer directly to the shot spotter (gun shot detection devices that triangulate the location of where the shots originalted from), and use that to decide which neightborhoods need more policing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Experience shows that policing the most violent neighborhoods is the wrong approach.  They need to be walled off from the rest of society.  Only once their pathologies have been isolated should we use any other resources on them.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

  68. @dearieme
    What's the point of the US owning various island colonies and not using them to dump these troublesome people onto? Or if the island acreage is too small, use Alaska. Hell, if Alaska had remained Russian that's doubtless what the Tsar and then the Commies would have have used it for.

    Got it! The Aleutians are American aren't they? The federation could buy or rent them from the state and set up the Facility for Archipelago Social Housing (FASH). Discipline could be imposed on the occupants by turning the power on and off. A spot of FASHism is just what these people need.

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    Alaska is a beautiful state, why ruin it by dumping trash up there? International prison colonies in Antarctica, would make a better dumping ground for the world’s criminals. Let them see who are the toughest. Bets can be placed on how many survivors emerge from the insulated Quanset huts after 5 months of a -60° winter. A percentage of the bets can be used to fund their food & housing, similar to state lottery funds and schools.

    • LOL: ziggurat
  69. @Boomthorkell
    Community militias and Millets are the only sustainable answer.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    I agree that the militia is better than unionized cops, but community .. gardens?

    The employment of IT to predict crime would seem to be a good use of tax dollars, but as a rule, I don’t hear that response times — even in areas with greater police presence — have quickened to any significant extent. (The schools have all sorts of costly predictors for identifying at-risk students. It makes no difference.)

    The reality is that when the government “invests” (flushes) money, nothing beneficial to taxpayers comes from it. Even if, by shear luck, the spending actually produced a positive return (e.g. improved operational efficiency due to shorter travel distance between cop and crime location), the government would just spend the money saved on some other, wasteful item (e.g. PERS).

    [MORE]

    Indeed, the technology just seems like a scam cooked up to enrich the politically connected folks (e.g. a Hunter) behind the firm. If, as we should infer from these threads, the seconds immediately after the crime are worth minutes of shorter response time, then of what practical advantage is there to this software? It’s not as though a machine prediction that a violent crime will occur tonight, on some floor in a housing project, gives cops the authority to post an officer in the hallway.

    Besides, there’s probably an uncertainty principle at work: If you know where a crime will occur, then you don’t know when.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Abolish_public_education

    Community gardens?

    I mean, some communities pull them off. I wasn't talking about those, though.

    Millets refers to the Ottoman System of Communal (religious) jurisdiction, though I'm talking more about a reinvention of it, rather than a literal implementation of the exact Ottoman system.

    Overall, I'm much more in favor of the government, at least in America (I won't say that this system is universally functional), being limited basically to infrastructure, foreign policy and the military. My general thought on regulations is "see what works best for individual states." Now, when I say infrastructure, I mean some good damn meaningful infrastructure. Trains and well-built roads, and redeveloped zoning laws, etc. I'm also in favor of replacing military contractors with official armories and R&D programs, as well as nationalizing public resources through the creation of Non-Profit utility corporations.

    Open the budget to 100% transparent review, don't bother with spies in other countries (only counter-intelligence locally, but with a largely isolationist foreign policy, not trade policy, and trimmed down system, that shouldn't be an issue), and institute department wide punishments for abuse or corruption, preferably something like a flogging, and I think we can successfully have a clearly delineated, but effective and responsible, government.

  70. @Mikeja
    It would be funny if they just input the local demographics and tell the PD to look for crime in black neighborhoods. That’ll be $400,000, thank you

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

    I’m curious what the inputs are. The term crime prediction brings to mind PKD, which means you can charge more than somebody offering to optimize manpower allocation.

  71. @Reg Cæsar

    mostly avoided Whiter neighborhoods
     
    Wigger alert!

    What is the "Markup", anyway? Why are they following the example of laundromat-reading organs such as Jet, Essence, and WaPo?

    Kinda OT, kinda not: Is Maralee Nichols high yaller or white trash? The Kardashians, of course, are Caucasians. Literally.

    Personal trainer Maralee Nichols, 31, gives birth to NBA star Tristan Thompson's baby boy after she became pregnant with his child while he was still dating Khloe Kardashian



    https://celebsaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/4d7a33d2943ec1d32e397a381b1567.jpg

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Brutusale, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @fish, @Negrolphin Pool

    I didn’t know Amerimutt was based on a true story.

  72. @Sick 'n Tired
    @Ralph L

    They can take the human element completely out of it and just like the predictive crime computer directly to the shot spotter (gun shot detection devices that triangulate the location of where the shots originalted from), and use that to decide which neightborhoods need more policing.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Experience shows that policing the most violent neighborhoods is the wrong approach.  They need to be walled off from the rest of society.  Only once their pathologies have been isolated should we use any other resources on them.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Mr. Rational

    That's sort of like the El Salvador and Honduras model of prisons.

  73. @Peter Johnson
    Blacks want less-patrolled and thereby less-safe neighborhoods and Whites want more-patrolled and thereby safer neighborhoods. The political bureaucracy wants to lower aggregate crime rates and so mis-allocates heavy patrolling to Black neighborhoods that do not want heavy patrolling. There should be a more even re-allocation of police patrolling, away from Black neighborhoods (very heavily patrolled) to White neighborhoods (only lightly patrolled). It would raise the aggregate crime rate but make both communities better off in terms of the police presence/crime risk tradeoff that each community on average prefers. Average preferences are not the same in the two communities.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    The entire black-on-white predation problem could be solved overnight by adopting explicitly race based self-defense laws. For instance, the test for a good shoot against a black in a white area might be mere reasonable suspicion. But explicit race-based laws are likely to be a non-starter until things get bad enough that other more vigorous solutions might spontaneously ignite.

    A more attainable goal would be simply to devolve, or assert, more autonomy at the local level, allowing jurisdictions to dictate broad policy goals, like how much violent crime they will tolerate, then giving them a free hand to meet those benchmarks by whatever reasonable means they deem fit. If racial profiling, harsh punishments and loose ROE deter crime, then whose business is it but that locality’s as to whether the costs imposed by zealous enforcement are outweighed by the benefits?

    There is really no one to argue against it but tyrants.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  74. @Sick of Orcs

    This data represents a smoking gun showing that PredPol is biased toward white citizens getting less police protection per capita.
     
    The disproportionate use of ALL social services by non-Whites requires a book or dedicated website.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Almost Missouri

    Here’s one:

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2020/03/19/fiscal-impact-by-race-in-2018/

    [Spoiler alert: whites and Asians are public cash flow net positive, Hispanics and blacks are cash flow negative, blacks radically so.]

    • Thanks: Mr. Rational, Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Almost Missouri


    [Spoiler alert: whites and Asians are public cash flow net positive, Hispanics and blacks are cash flow negative, blacks radically so.]
     
    Mass immigration is supposed to benefit the economy, but the fact that we have gone from balanced budgets in the late 90s to average budget deficits of $1 trillion over the last 21 years strongly suggests otherwise. It is basically all the proof you need. Two of the biggest drivers of deficit spending over the last two decades, the 9/11 terror attacks and the 2008 housing crisis, have been the direct result of open borders. The vast majority of immigrants pay far less in taxes than they cost in government spending. The few immigrants, mostly Asian, who do pay more in taxes don't come close to making up for it.

    In addition, the wage depression caused in jobs taking by unskilled immigrants creates an aversion to anyone wanting to take those jobs. It literally drives people out of the workforce and onto welfare.
  75. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is what American newspapers would sound like if Anglo-Saxon families still owned them.

    Replies: @Anon

    They haven’t owned them since the 1800s.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    The Hearsts and Chandlers still own the Los Angeles Times and San Francisco newspaper. And they have been anti White and pro black criminal . Pro school integration, pro Emmett Till. MLK worshippers since the 1950s.

    Hearst is a German Not British name but the family have been mixed British German since the founder married a woman with an English name.

    When will Americans become immune to Walter Scott disease as Mark Twain called it? Nobody reads Ivanhoe anymore. The Anglo Saxonists under the age of 95 never heard of it.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  76. @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    That's my preferred solution, logistically simpler than breaking up the country. One assault, one smash'n'grab? You're off to Ghana with a 1-way ticket. The US has got to get rid of the trash.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Mr. Rational

    It is true that Ghana has offered automatic citizenship to US victims
    of racial persecution but you´d need a permanently stationed
    carrier battle group to keep them from changing their minds
    when they see the first arrivals.

    • Thanks: Jim Bob Lassiter
  77. @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    That's my preferred solution, logistically simpler than breaking up the country. One assault, one smash'n'grab? You're off to Ghana with a 1-way ticket. The US has got to get rid of the trash.

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @Mr. Rational

    As long as we can persuade (meaning, pay) Ghana to take them.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    @Mr. Rational

    I think that encouraging BLEXIT is a real option, given how African Americans (AAs) have been brainwashed into thinking they're living in a tough country. Some AAs have already moved to Ghana and are happier there. Here is a summary of one way to incentivize the BLEXIT:
    1) AAs would be given money to move to Africa.
    2) African countries would benefit from the influx of moneyed immigrants.

    This VDare article explains in more detail:


    OK, Let’s Give Them Reparations—If They Go Back To Africa
    Anthony Boehm - 2020-07-09
    https://vdare.com/articles/ok-let-s-give-them-reparations-if-they-go-back-to-africa

    ...
    How practical it was to send blacks back to Africa by sailing or steamship will never be known. But today, international airline travel is affordable to all: a ticket from the U.S. to Ghana, host of the 2019 Year of Return, can be had for less than $1,000. Airline capacity to Africa appears to be enormous and underused, which offers any large-scale program of return the possibility of substantial per-seat savings.

    As well, $14 trillion in reparations for slavery, as proposed by Black Entertainment Television founder Robert Johnson, would easily cover the cost of sending all 37.1 million American blacks to Africa, with more than $10 trillion left for generous resettlement packages.

    That’s a lot of money. But it also solves a problem, at least for blacks who feel hunted and unsafe in the white jungle.

    Of course, returning to Africa should be voluntary, and blacks who consider themselves Americans and do not feel hunted or discriminated against should not be forced to return to a country and continent they do not know or even want to know.

    But for the BLM activists, for those convinced the deck in the U.S. is stacked against them, repatriation permanently repairs the continuing “legacy of slavery.” To participate, blacks would have to renounce American citizenship and accept the passport of an African country.

    Of course, no one should have any illusions that the returnees will find Wakanda waiting for them. Life in Africa is, as the philosopher Thomas Hobbes wrote, “poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.

    But the hard fact is, opportunity often comes knocking disguised as hard work. Ten million or 15 million English-speaking blacks with American know-how and a pocket full of resettlement money would certainly spur economic growth for the whole region, and perhaps counterbalance the growing Chinese infiltration of the continent. Some have already moved there at their own cost, and are happy to be in the land of their people.
     

    ‘Year of return’: Hundreds of African-Americans resettle in Ghana - Apr 11, 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgUzVQw9gbM&feature=youtu.be

    A Reader Is Cheered By Stories Of Blacks Abandoning The “Racist” USA. Can This Be Encouraged?
    From: Fabrizio Evola - 2020-07-05
    https://vdare.com/letters/a-reader-is-cheered-by-stories-of-blacks-abandoning-the-racist-usa-can-this-be-encouraged

    ‘I’m leaving, and I’m just not coming back’: Fed up with racism, Black Americans head overseas
    Kim Hjelmgaard – USA TODAY - Jun 26, 2020
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/26/blaxit-black-americans-leave-us-escape-racism-build-lives-abroad/3234129001/

  78. @AnotherDad
    "The biggest problem with being poor in the United States is living around other poor people" -- AnotherDad.


    We're in nut world now. Everything the minoritarians cough up is either a lie or a disastrous policy for Americans.

    An immigration halt is the single best policy--more jobs, higher wages, lower housing costs--for blacks. (And for everyone else.) But right after that would be extremely aggressive policing.

    The plain fact is black neighborhood are particularly bad because of black criminals. Something in the ball park of 20-25% of black men are criminals, inveterate troublemakers, assholes. Removing them from the community--while certainly not creating whitetopias--would make black neighborhoods considerable more livable and dramatically raise the quality of life and "lived experience" of blacks.

    Of the 20+ million black American males, probably something like 2 million shouldn't be on the streets. (Less than 20% because there's a prime age range of assholery.) Ongoing if we were permanently removing 50-100,000 blacks from the population every year--execution, the Aleutians, back to Africa (if any nation was dumb enough to take them)--life for everyone would get much, much better.

    And down the road ... if you continually remove the troublemakers from civilization so that black women can not breed with them, every generation gets a bit better. Maybe the next generation is only 17% criminal assholes. Then 15% ...

    More aggressive policing and law enforcement, not less, is what blacks need.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @hhsiii, @Alden

    The ACLU has gone from protecting civil liberties to promoting criminal liberties. I like how they say the \$82 billion spent on the incarceration system (I’m sure it’s more than that) would be better spent elsewhere, but they’d be the first to complain about poor prison services.

    https://www.aclu.org/issues/smart-justice/mass-incarceration

    Also, I highly doubt 1 in 3 black boys born is destined for prison. I wonder how they came up with that number. I was listening to Michelle Williams on New Yorker Radio Hour and she completely dodged the question about how only 5% of prisoners are in for non-violent drug offenses. And I think people seem to forget the violence accompanying crack that led to crime bill in early ‘90s.

  79. Did they use Indian programmers? Is this a crafty-in-a-Bugs-Bunny-way trick to leave White neighbourhoods exposed to minority inner-city denizens not being policed in their own neighbourhoods because we are fighting them “there” while they are here?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @The Alarmist

    I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the 737 MAX fiasco was caused by hiring Indian programmers.

  80. @Mr. Rational
    @Sick 'n Tired

    Experience shows that policing the most violent neighborhoods is the wrong approach.  They need to be walled off from the rest of society.  Only once their pathologies have been isolated should we use any other resources on them.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    That’s sort of like the El Salvador and Honduras model of prisons.

  81. @AnotherDad
    "The biggest problem with being poor in the United States is living around other poor people" -- AnotherDad.


    We're in nut world now. Everything the minoritarians cough up is either a lie or a disastrous policy for Americans.

    An immigration halt is the single best policy--more jobs, higher wages, lower housing costs--for blacks. (And for everyone else.) But right after that would be extremely aggressive policing.

    The plain fact is black neighborhood are particularly bad because of black criminals. Something in the ball park of 20-25% of black men are criminals, inveterate troublemakers, assholes. Removing them from the community--while certainly not creating whitetopias--would make black neighborhoods considerable more livable and dramatically raise the quality of life and "lived experience" of blacks.

    Of the 20+ million black American males, probably something like 2 million shouldn't be on the streets. (Less than 20% because there's a prime age range of assholery.) Ongoing if we were permanently removing 50-100,000 blacks from the population every year--execution, the Aleutians, back to Africa (if any nation was dumb enough to take them)--life for everyone would get much, much better.

    And down the road ... if you continually remove the troublemakers from civilization so that black women can not breed with them, every generation gets a bit better. Maybe the next generation is only 17% criminal assholes. Then 15% ...

    More aggressive policing and law enforcement, not less, is what blacks need.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @hhsiii, @Alden

    The Turks had many black slaves. A very few were the extremely expensive eunuchs. Most, like 99.5 were women. And despite the fact that the Turkish men bred with their black women slaves as much as with their European White women slaves; no mulatto quadroon babies ever arrived to breed with each other and contaminate Turkey with the Black Plague.

    Of course Turkey was wealthy enough it didn’t have to breed human livestock. Plenty of money to renew the live stock from the Tartar Jewish Armenian and Arab slave traders.

    Between democrats breeding generation after generations of criminals on welfare and Republican cheap labor anti abortion advocates America is rapidly breeding and importing itself into a nation that will be average 82 IQ in another 100 years.

    I cruised by free Republic yesterday. Mass hysteria about Roe vs Wade. Sob sob sob all those black and brown babies who will never be born. Justice Barrett is highly praised for suggesting adoption. Yeah right, just what we need is more Colin Kaepernicks.

  82. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They haven't owned them since the 1800s.

    Replies: @Alden

    The Hearsts and Chandlers still own the Los Angeles Times and San Francisco newspaper. And they have been anti White and pro black criminal . Pro school integration, pro Emmett Till. MLK worshippers since the 1950s.

    Hearst is a German Not British name but the family have been mixed British German since the founder married a woman with an English name.

    When will Americans become immune to Walter Scott disease as Mark Twain called it? Nobody reads Ivanhoe anymore. The Anglo Saxonists under the age of 95 never heard of it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Alden


    The Anglo Saxonists under the age of 95 never heard of it.
     
    My baby brother obsessed over it for a while.  Were he still alive, he'd be not yet 60.
  83. @The Alarmist
    Did they use Indian programmers? Is this a crafty-in-a-Bugs-Bunny-way trick to leave White neighbourhoods exposed to minority inner-city denizens not being policed in their own neighbourhoods because we are fighting them “there” while they are here?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I’d bet you dollars to donuts that the 737 MAX fiasco was caused by hiring Indian programmers.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
  84. @Alden
    @Anon

    The Hearsts and Chandlers still own the Los Angeles Times and San Francisco newspaper. And they have been anti White and pro black criminal . Pro school integration, pro Emmett Till. MLK worshippers since the 1950s.

    Hearst is a German Not British name but the family have been mixed British German since the founder married a woman with an English name.

    When will Americans become immune to Walter Scott disease as Mark Twain called it? Nobody reads Ivanhoe anymore. The Anglo Saxonists under the age of 95 never heard of it.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    The Anglo Saxonists under the age of 95 never heard of it.

    My baby brother obsessed over it for a while.  Were he still alive, he’d be not yet 60.

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Sick of Orcs

    Here's one:

    https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2020/03/19/fiscal-impact-by-race-in-2018/

    [Spoiler alert: whites and Asians are public cash flow net positive, Hispanics and blacks are cash flow negative, blacks radically so.]

    Replies: @Wilkey

    [Spoiler alert: whites and Asians are public cash flow net positive, Hispanics and blacks are cash flow negative, blacks radically so.]

    Mass immigration is supposed to benefit the economy, but the fact that we have gone from balanced budgets in the late 90s to average budget deficits of \$1 trillion over the last 21 years strongly suggests otherwise. It is basically all the proof you need. Two of the biggest drivers of deficit spending over the last two decades, the 9/11 terror attacks and the 2008 housing crisis, have been the direct result of open borders. The vast majority of immigrants pay far less in taxes than they cost in government spending. The few immigrants, mostly Asian, who do pay more in taxes don’t come close to making up for it.

    In addition, the wage depression caused in jobs taking by unskilled immigrants creates an aversion to anyone wanting to take those jobs. It literally drives people out of the workforce and onto welfare.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
  86. @Wilkey

    The agency has found repeatedly that White crime victims are less likely to report violent crime to police than Black or Latino victims.
     
    Sure. We've spent the whole of the last two years hearing people complain about how white "Karens" call the police far too often. But now they've got a software program to demonize, so they're going to try to convince us of the exact opposite.

    Anyhow, the funny thing is that Gizmodo, the website where I came across this article, tends to have a rather far left readership. Yet even there the comments on this article run towards the incredulous. In my experience you have to work really, really hard to post a political story on Gizmodo and have most of the commenters come out against you.

    And for that matter....it took seven journalists to write this story. It took seven people with college degrees to come to the shocking conclusion that a piece of software designed to help cops police the most crime ridden neighborhoods tends to send a lot of cops to neighborhoods with lots of blacks and Hispanics.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Anonymous, @Jared Nelson

    It’s at this point my praise for Sailor’s wit comes out in y b

  87. @Mr. Rational
    @Mike_from_SGV

    As long as we can persuade (meaning, pay) Ghana to take them.

    Replies: @ziggurat

    I think that encouraging BLEXIT is a real option, given how African Americans (AAs) have been brainwashed into thinking they’re living in a tough country. Some AAs have already moved to Ghana and are happier there. Here is a summary of one way to incentivize the BLEXIT:
    1) AAs would be given money to move to Africa.
    2) African countries would benefit from the influx of moneyed immigrants.

    This VDare article explains in more detail:

    OK, Let’s Give Them Reparations—If They Go Back To Africa
    Anthony Boehm – 2020-07-09
    https://vdare.com/articles/ok-let-s-give-them-reparations-if-they-go-back-to-africa


    How practical it was to send blacks back to Africa by sailing or steamship will never be known. But today, international airline travel is affordable to all: a ticket from the U.S. to Ghana, host of the 2019 Year of Return, can be had for less than \$1,000. Airline capacity to Africa appears to be enormous and underused, which offers any large-scale program of return the possibility of substantial per-seat savings.

    As well, \$14 trillion in reparations for slavery, as proposed by Black Entertainment Television founder Robert Johnson, would easily cover the cost of sending all 37.1 million American blacks to Africa, with more than \$10 trillion left for generous resettlement packages.

    That’s a lot of money. But it also solves a problem, at least for blacks who feel hunted and unsafe in the white jungle.

    Of course, returning to Africa should be voluntary, and blacks who consider themselves Americans and do not feel hunted or discriminated against should not be forced to return to a country and continent they do not know or even want to know.

    But for the BLM activists, for those convinced the deck in the U.S. is stacked against them, repatriation permanently repairs the continuing “legacy of slavery.” To participate, blacks would have to renounce American citizenship and accept the passport of an African country.

    Of course, no one should have any illusions that the returnees will find Wakanda waiting for them. Life in Africa is, as the philosopher Thomas Hobbes wrote, “poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.

    But the hard fact is, opportunity often comes knocking disguised as hard work. Ten million or 15 million English-speaking blacks with American know-how and a pocket full of resettlement money would certainly spur economic growth for the whole region, and perhaps counterbalance the growing Chinese infiltration of the continent. Some have already moved there at their own cost, and are happy to be in the land of their people.

    ‘Year of return’: Hundreds of African-Americans resettle in Ghana – Apr 11, 2019
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgUzVQw9gbM&feature=youtu.be

    A Reader Is Cheered By Stories Of Blacks Abandoning The “Racist” USA. Can This Be Encouraged?
    From: Fabrizio Evola – 2020-07-05
    https://vdare.com/letters/a-reader-is-cheered-by-stories-of-blacks-abandoning-the-racist-usa-can-this-be-encouraged

    ‘I’m leaving, and I’m just not coming back’: Fed up with racism, Black Americans head overseas
    Kim Hjelmgaard – USA TODAY – Jun 26, 2020
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/06/26/blaxit-black-americans-leave-us-escape-racism-build-lives-abroad/3234129001/

  88. @Paperback Writer
    @additionalMike

    Of course I remember that back in the 70s (and 80s and 90s and 00s) that was a no-go area. But after the Bratton Crackdown, the area became much more safe. That said, both Tessa and this fellow were foolish to walk there after dark without being mentally armed.

    Tessa most of all, as a tiny little woman who walked RIGHT INTO Morningside Park. The Italian fellow was a soccer player and he was walking home near the park. So he's got an excuse, although he should have been much more alert to the dangers of Jogger-Americans. I won't post a picture of the killer but suffice it to say he is evil looking. However, it may have been very quick.

    It's the human cost of living in America. And we can't even say it out loud.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I got mugged by a bunch of joggers on Amsterdam Avenue about 123rd Street as I returned from the grocery store. They snuck up behind me and tossed a rope around my neck. They took my money (not much) but left me my wallet and IDs. This was probably 1970 about 8pm.

    Amsterdam Avenue gets worse north of about 120th Street and it would be more dangerous later at night. Everyone knew to stay the hell out of Morningside Park even in the day time.

  89. @Abolish_public_education
    @Boomthorkell

    I agree that the militia is better than unionized cops, but community .. gardens?

    The employment of IT to predict crime would seem to be a good use of tax dollars, but as a rule, I don't hear that response times -- even in areas with greater police presence -- have quickened to any significant extent. (The schools have all sorts of costly predictors for identifying at-risk students. It makes no difference.)

    The reality is that when the government "invests" (flushes) money, nothing beneficial to taxpayers comes from it. Even if, by shear luck, the spending actually produced a positive return (e.g. improved operational efficiency due to shorter travel distance between cop and crime location), the government would just spend the money saved on some other, wasteful item (e.g. PERS).

    Indeed, the technology just seems like a scam cooked up to enrich the politically connected folks (e.g. a Hunter) behind the firm. If, as we should infer from these threads, the seconds immediately after the crime are worth minutes of shorter response time, then of what practical advantage is there to this software? It's not as though a machine prediction that a violent crime will occur tonight, on some floor in a housing project, gives cops the authority to post an officer in the hallway.

    Besides, there's probably an uncertainty principle at work: If you know where a crime will occur, then you don't know when.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Community gardens?

    I mean, some communities pull them off. I wasn’t talking about those, though.

    Millets refers to the Ottoman System of Communal (religious) jurisdiction, though I’m talking more about a reinvention of it, rather than a literal implementation of the exact Ottoman system.

    Overall, I’m much more in favor of the government, at least in America (I won’t say that this system is universally functional), being limited basically to infrastructure, foreign policy and the military. My general thought on regulations is “see what works best for individual states.” Now, when I say infrastructure, I mean some good damn meaningful infrastructure. Trains and well-built roads, and redeveloped zoning laws, etc. I’m also in favor of replacing military contractors with official armories and R&D programs, as well as nationalizing public resources through the creation of Non-Profit utility corporations.

    Open the budget to 100% transparent review, don’t bother with spies in other countries (only counter-intelligence locally, but with a largely isolationist foreign policy, not trade policy, and trimmed down system, that shouldn’t be an issue), and institute department wide punishments for abuse or corruption, preferably something like a flogging, and I think we can successfully have a clearly delineated, but effective and responsible, government.

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