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From NNY:

Bernie Sanders will participate in the next debate, his campaign says

By SYDNEY EMBER
New York Times

Sen. Bernie Sanders, recovering in a Las Vegas hospital from a procedure to treat a clogged artery, should be able to return home by the end of this weekend and will participate in the next Democratic debate, his wife, Jane Sanders, said Thursday. The campaign has refused to say if Sanders had a heart attack.

Don’t promise you’ll be at the debate on October 15, let the tension build over whether you’ll be there or not. Then walk out last, like Willis Reed in the 7th game of the 1970 NBA finals in Madison Square Garden. (New York Knicks center Willis Reed had been out injured in the 6th game, so Los Angeles Lakers center Wilt Chamberlain scored 45 points. If Willis couldn’t answer the bell for the decisive 7th game, Wilt would run amok again.)

… Internally, the campaign is trying to keep its staff motivated. Two advisers, Nina Turner and Jeff Weaver, led an all-staff conference call Thursday aimed at energizing the staff and tamping down any feelings of concern or disappointment, according to a campaign aide. “We are not taking our foot off the gas,” Turner said.

The reason primary season candidates feel they have to promise the moon now rather than under-promise and try to over-deliver is that professional staffers are inclined to jump ship.

 
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  1. Seems to me that Biden being wounded by the Trump revelation and now Bernie having a heart attack are part of a scripted plot to clear the field for Hillary.

    Who’s left –

    Pocahantas – why would anyone choose an ersatz hillary-lite when they can have the real thing.

    Kamala appeared to have been the insiders choice this year, a female Obama with a similar exotic background. They even arranged for her to be gifted a Senate seat despite the fact that her one major accomplishment was being Willie Brown’s ____. Unfortunately for them she’s just not likable – in fact she’s downright mean and so her campaign has fizzled

    Buttiegag – a joke candidate invented to give the lavender mafia a thrill up their leg.

    It’s going to be Trump vs Hillary Round Two

  2. OT – too astonishing to go un-commented on:

    Four star Air Force General Dave Goldfein says on the official air force twitter

    .@GenDaveGoldfein: "Celebration of #diversity and making sure we understand the flesh colored band aids is not about being politically correct, it's a warfighting imperative." pic.twitter.com/3qOhaLauxw— U.S. Air Force (@usairforce) March 23, 2019

    “Celebration of #diversity and making sure we understand the flesh colored band aids is not about being politically correct, it’s a warfighting imperative.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  3. AKAHorace says:

    Steve, I love reading you as you are so even handed. You can put yourself in the shoes of those who are your opponents as well as those who are on your side.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  4. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    He looked and sounded bad at the last debate. His voice was very raspy and weak. I wonder if that specifically was due to his heart issues or just old age.

  5. Don’t promise you’ll be at the debate on October 15, let the tension build , then walk out last, like Willis Reed in the 7th game of the 1970 NBA finals in Madison Square Garden.

    More like Tom and Huck walking into their funeral service.

  6. Kronos says:

    Did any of his 2016 people get blacklisted by Clinton Democrats?

    I remember reading how after 2008 the Clintons went ahead and campaigned against Senators and Journalists who sided with Obama.

  7. Bernie is just way too old.

    I don’t have a lot of animosity against Bernie. He’s a rare breed as a Jew in politics who isn’t a rabid minoritarian and drown-the-gentiles immigrationist loon but rather takes the interests of Americans seriously. (I think of someone sane like Samuel Gompers.) On his own–absent the Democratic party’s minoritarianism and increasing lunacy–he’d be the equivalent of a European Social Democrat. Not my politics but not crazy stuff. (Well before they all went nuts.)

    But he has no business being in the race at his age. He was too old last time and now it’s just ridiculous. He’d be older at his inauguration than Reagan or Trump (if re-elected) at retirement.

    Biden is also way too old. And so is Warren. And so was Hillary. And so is Trump.

    In a republic of 330 million people there ought to be several thousand proven leaders with the requisite managerial and communications skill set, in their 50s, in good health for any particular strain of political ideology you can name.

    That the Democrats have this lot is highly embarrassing. But then the Republicans last time had no one i wanted to vote for besides the old, erratic and egotistical Trump.

    If i was Harris, i’d talk up the age thing–respectfully but directly. But there’s such an utter lack of any argument for her whatsoever, that it won’t do any good. Still looks like Warren to me.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @prosa123
  8. So many Dems appear to be stepping on land mines or into open manhole covers lately – I suspect supernatural forces…

    • Replies: @Kronos
  9. BTW, i remember Reed coming out. But–the other boomers can correct me–isn’t what people (normal people, not New Yorkers) remember from that series Jerry West’s 60 foot “jump shot” to send game 3 into overtime? The Lakers then lost that game in overtime–meaning West’s shot was meaningless. But i think a bunch of us were out on our courts–in my case, my next door neighbor had the best court we all gathered at for our neighborhood games–trying to throw up shots well beyond the limit of our range.

    • Replies: @RAZ
  10. gman says:

    I feel like someone should do a map of campaign staff moves

    off the top of my head
    -symone sanders went from 2016 bernie to 2020 biden
    -jim margolis is a hillary 16 alum now on the kamala harris campaign

  11. I like the Willis Reed idea. Maybe as Bernie shuffles on stage, he could sing one of the hits from his 1987 folk album? “This Land Is Your Land” maybe? The moderators could sing backup.

  12. Precious says:

    It is too bad the media can’t lie for him and cover for his health problems like they did for Hillary in 2016. I guess he doesn’t qualify for that privilege as a white male.

  13. Sanders should walk on stage wearing a t-shirt that reads EAT THE BABIES.

  14. Anon[743] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That woman … she’s too perfect. Roger Stone? Has Donald Segretti returned to politics? Political humor needs to get away from the Babylon Bee stuff and become more performative, like this chick’s prank. Brilliant!

    • Replies: @mmack
  15. Steve, I appreciate your appreciation of showmanship. Unfortunately in the current year no one has the patience for surprise. You’re talking nearly two weeks here, which is an unfathomable quantity for 2019 Americans to conceptualize. Your 19xx’s conception of timing, suspense and drama is showing.

    This is no longer a 1970s basketball world.

  16. Hail says: • Website

    RealClearPolitics polling average (rolling):

    As of October 2, 2019:
    – Biden 26%
    – Warren 24%
    – Sanders 17%
    – Buttigieg 6%
    – Harris 5%
    – Yang 4%
    – Beto 2%
    – Booker 2%
    – Castro 2%

    As of September 2, 2019 (thirty days earlier):
    – Biden 31%
    – Sanders 17%
    – Warren 16%
    – Harris 7%
    – Buttigieg 5%
    – Yang 3%
    – Beto 3%
    – Booker 2%
    – Castro 1%

    October 2 is the day it was reported Sanders was hospitalized with a heart problem, so the polls used to calculate the Oct. 2 RCP average (conducted Sept. 19 to October 1) do not reflect any influence from that that particular news item.

    Sanders has kept his support base at the same consistent level, within a narrow band around 16%, since early May (brief peak at 19% holding for just two days in mid May).

    The only real movement of note since Labor Day is the small consolidation by Warren.

  17. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    Slowly roll out a guerney with a coffin shaped box on it. Tilt it up as dry ice smoke pours from it. Out steps Berney, fists in the air. Two dozen trained doves fly to him and land on his head, shoulders and arms.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Dan Hayes
    , @El Dato
  18. Hail says: • Website
    @Anon

    Out steps Berney, fists in the air

    Not quite as iconic-looking as that one Che Guevara pic, but:

    [MORE]

  19. Kronos says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    It’s possible, but increasingly unlikely everyday. That evil dark horse will hemorrhage votes long before Election Day. The Bernie Bros will have stickers exclaiming “die bitch die” and many won’t show up to vote. Important demographics are terrified they’ll end up like the private sector unions during the 1990s, another Clinton kill notch. Every Democratic demographic can’t take the risk of being on the Clinton chop block. Will it be blacks? Boomer whites? Hell, she might try to go sacrifice certain Hispanics segments. There’s too much bad blood.

  20. @jesse helms think-alike

    Thanks, and thanks to the others who posted this.

  21. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    And the piece de resistance is when the two doves poop on Old Bernie!

  22. In a republic of 330 million people there ought to be several thousand proven leaders with the requisite managerial and communications skill set, in their 50s, in good health for any particular strain of political ideology you can name.

    Not the way things work. Everybody and his dog have been playing the game of “cripple the next generation” since c.a. AD 1970.

    Consider politics as an abstract game with a reward. If you are a professional politician, politics exists to give you an income. No other reason, except maybe some vanity projects useful mainly to scare off potential competitors.

    One way to maximize personal income is to not share the income stream. Keep critical knowledge in your head, make your followers unable to form a coalition (e.g. keep them fighting each other, make sure they are dumb as andesite and proud of it, keep them busy walking in circles “to cure cancer”, etc.). Metaphorically, if a grain of wheat grows above others, cut it off. If new challengers arise, crush them with the existing system.

    In a very stable geopolitical system, the above can succeed for decades. It even provides an old age cushion:

    But eventually the above fails:

    Men grow cold
    As girls grow old
    And we all lose our charm in the end
    But square cut or pear shape
    These rocks don’t lose their shape
    Diamonds are a girl’s best friend

    The mechanism is interesting: politicians also maximize their income by reducing the size of their margin of victory. That’s why the national elections are always narrow victories for whoever wins. Money is votes, and the winner didn’t want to spend any more money than the winner had to. Assembling a coalition of professional voters and confusing the independent vote enough to keep it self canceling is expensive — why buy more professional services than you need?

    You end up with a bunch of retired / too old politicians, a dysfunctional staff, and a very upset independent voter population. Here’s how:

    We have two effects listed above:
    a) Decrease in had count and increase in age of political leadership and a decrease in staff capability.
    b) Steadily decreasing margin of victory in elections.

    I’ve read (decades back) that the above destroyed the ruling coalition at the end of the US Era of Good Feelings. The author even had records of decreasing victory margins with time to bolster his case, and did not mention stupid staff. No reference on this, I haven’t been able to find the book again.

    I remember the 1960s, toward the end of the the Anglo Saxon dominance. The attitude of the surviving Anglo Saxon establishment was (not kidding) “Back to your kennels, dog!”. They appeared to be the end product of the process described above — they represented only themselves. Small wonder that, as R. Unz pointed out, they were replaced by simple thugs and method actors.

    And now it happens again. Here’s a story that captures it:

    An old Spanish aristocrat (SA) lies dying, about AD 1600.
    Priest: Have you any sins you want to confess?
    SA (gasping): “I have committed no sins.”
    Priest: “No sins! But surely you have enemies. Do you wish to forgive your enemies?”
    SA (last words): “I have no enemies. I have killed them all.”

    And that’s where the thousands of US leaders went. Destroyed in internecine combat, the same kangaroo court / TANJ [1] process that is trying to destroy Trump. All we have left are those staff numbers too stupid or crazy to be purged.

    Eventually, the dumb staffs, aging leadership, and pursuit of “just enough” votes to win (remember the “blue wall”?) system is overwhelmed by an independent voting block that literally can’t live with it anymore (remember “White Death”?)

    Trump is an old leader because he spent his life gaining enough money and celebrity to win a Presidential race. He, or somebody like him, was simply the first candidate that the independent vote could elect. No more, no less. He’s not superhuman or playing 4th dimensional chess, he was just in the right place in the right time, saw what he thought was a positive sum game [2], and tried to repeat his ice skating rink success.
    Trump was clearly surprised by the animosity he garnered, tried to play along with his base and with the establishment, found he’s bet his life and that of his relatives on beating the entire political establishment, and has just started to shift from defensive to offensive. The wind beneath his wings is the above described political process and an independent vote from a hinterland population that has been and is being genocided as a sort of byproduct of the post-WW II equilibrium and the politics needed to maintain it [3].

    Sic friat crustulum.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] TANJ: There Ain’t No Justice (just us).

    2] Runs for President and loses — hey, he’s still a celebrity, right? Even more of one. The Democrats will be OK with that, because he’s lost, right?
    Runs for President and wins — Hey, he’s been President, he’s even more of a celebrity, and maybe he can do something good, repeat the universally praised ice skating rink project on a much larger scale.

    3] Post WW II cities have lost their economic productivity, live on political income, and have also grown considerably (world wide) which gives them the population to produce the political income they need. Cities have substituted political coercion for economic productivity, and, by 2008 had sucked their hinterlands dry. The hinterlands are now trying to stop this process. (see Copley, _Uncivilization_, for the non-economic part of this).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. While I tend to vote for candidates out of pure spite for conventional wisdom and for bull-in-China-shop entertainment value, my conscientious and thoughtful wife considers platforms and campaign promises and voted for Bernie in the primaries leading up to 2016. Then she saw Bernie and his huge and enthusiastic rally crowds ignored by media in favor of Hillary’s manufactured “I’m with Her” basket of deplorables campaign and voted for Trump along with me, though from different motivations. She has felt embarrassed ever since while I revel in my small part in throwing a wrench in the machine.

    When Hillary swoops in again, knocking aside the various morons and buffoons currently seeking the Dem nomination, what choice will my conscientious wife be left with once again?

  24. Kronos says:
    @AnotherDad

    It’s like someone’s favorite ice cream but well past it’s expiration date. Lots of millennials really find Sander’s economic policies appealing (certainly pre-Clinton staples.) But many potentially younger candidates similar to Bernie were purged and/or couldn’t secure government positions decades ago. The “Third Way” Democrats did a superb job with their Neo-Liberal Cultural Revolution. Bernie wasn’t destroyed by being a political oddball independent/socialist in Vermont. (Hardly a important battleground state.) He didn’t stick out like Ralph Nader and such who got crushed (by Clinton Democrats) after the 2000 Presidential Election.

    The younger people found him in a old antique store and loved what they found.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Paleo Liberal
  25. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It’s tough being in the party of tolerance. You’d like to let out a big belly laugh or at least roll your eyes and smile, but your thoughts about offending the very significant kook-vote preclude that. (That’s assuming AOC wasn’t taking this seriously. I can’t be sure – she’s a 29 y/o bartender.)

    BTW, I would give this only 2 stars were I a real critic. I understand you don’t want to over-act, but this lady should have been jumping up and down and screaming at the least. B-grade stuff at best. I don’t know if I can even use this footage on my blog.

  26. I was thinking about this earlier, but I’m not so sure Bernie actually wants to be president. I think he likes campaigning and getting worked up on the pulpit and having his butt kissed by his acolytes and getting lots of money for not actually doing any work. NYC Jew bloviating isn’t work, it’s as natural to them as having a crap.

    If he’s actually elected, well, then, shit! Here come the 20 hour days and demands for results, and for a guy who never held a real job, who needs that kind of aggravation?

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @Jack D
  27. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It’s better than screaming, “Eat the rich!”, at least until the wealthy donors are tapped out.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  28. @jesse helms think-alike

    “It’s going to be Trump vs Hillary Round Two.”

    I’ve been predicting this from the beginning. HRC believes she won the 16 election, is the ‘legitimate’ President — Trump an interloper her incompetent lieutenants have been unable to remove so far. Warren is probably next in the Clinton Crime Family crosshairs. After that she’ll emerge, her campaign slogan”: “Reelect Me, I’m Serious this Time.”

    • Agree: jim jones
  29. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    This is also called Milton Berle politics. Just take out enough to win.

  30. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kronos

    Bernie is like Don’s Packard. People think it’s nifty until the prodigal gas consumption and 3000 mile tune-ups make you realize the Camry is a lot better deal overall. But now you’re stuck with the geriatric brachiosaur for the next four years.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  31. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I hope the “eat the babies” lady was a very clever troll.

    However, they closed the mental hospitals years ago and there are some really really wacked out people wandering around these days (especially in the urban centers).

    Many years ago I volunteered to periodically visit the inmates in a large mental hospital (now closed of course).

    The residents used to spend much of their day watching tv, including the news programs.

    Bombarding such individuals with 24/7/ “climate change” propaganda could easily create what we saw in the video.

    The television “news” can be hazardous to your mental health.

    In America, TV programs you.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @J.Ross
  32. @Redneck farmer

    She wasn’t jumping up and down, and she wasn’t even screaming. I was expecting a lot more entertainment out of this twit. Is that all ya’ got, lady? Hell, I could see more action on Wall Street Week in Review re-runs.

  33. You’d almost think professional staffers don’t believe in anything.

  34. @jesse helms think-alike

    Kamala Harris asks Nevada town hall audience if America is ‘ready’ for her presidency… and the crowd shouts ‘NO!’ in embarrassing campaign blunder

    • Replies: @anon
  35. mmack says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    0:42 So this goofball says “Even if we could bomb Russia?!?” Wait, aren’t you Democrats colluding with them to take down Trump?!?

    Or perhaps the coveted zombie 🧟‍♂️ bloc of voters is performing an outreach to the Democrats.

  36. mmack says:
    @Anon

    Were this a Republican Representative’s forum, I’d agree, great prank 👍🏻
    Since it’s AOC, that could be your run of the mill Democratic voter.

  37. prosa123 says:
    @AnotherDad

    Being 70 years old shouldn’t be an issue for Warren. Women age more slowly than men, so she’s probably equivalent in physical terms to a man in his early to mid 60’s.

  38. mmack says:

    Steve,

    Re basketball introductions, you being in Oak Park during the heyday of YOUR Chicago Bulls, I’m surprised you didn’t suggest a Democratic debate intro like this:

  39. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Some view Hillary as Hillary-lite and Warren as the real candidate they would have preferred to have in 2016. Hillary wasn’t promising to cancel student loan debt. That issue will really have legs among the have-nots in 2020. No one should be kidding themselves about this. Those laiden with student debt see themselves as uniquely screwed-over in American history, and compared to older and luckier generations, they’re right.

    The electorate that put Obama in office to get free health care will try very hard to put Warren in office to get free college.

    Don’t think these aren’t serious burdens on white people’s lives or that they won’t try to vote their own financial interest. Trump is trying to get his votes mainly from the working class that doesn’t go to college, not the middle class that does. This is a big mistake. The latter is larger.

  40. @Justvisiting

    Update–this was a troll–confirmed:

    • Replies: @mmack
  41. @Kronos

    I came to an interesting realization this summer.

    Kids adore grumpy old men, as long as the grumpy old men are the right sort.

    There is a village not far from here with a grumpy old man as a coach. The girls love him. He turns reasonably talented players into all-state players.

    This past summer, one of my daughters played on the same club team as his granddaughter. Due to state rules, he is allowed to help out in June and July. Sometimes he would help coach the games.

    It seemed like the grumpier he got, the more the kids loved him. Thing is, he really knew his stuff, and he really cared about the kids. So his grumpy old man but was seen as cute, rather than threatening.

    I think there is some of that with Sanders. Young people see him as the grumpy old grandpa type, as long as he is on the same side.

  42. @prosa123

    Stable, mellow women certainly do age more slowly than men. Pocahontas is so tightly wrapped, I doubt that maxim applies. If anything, the opposite. My father, who died at age 58 with complications of diabetes, actually outlived his batshit crazy sister who never could get a single confirmed chronic medical diagnosis (other than psychiatric) her entire life. She was so nuts that she brought suit against a neighbor for cutting down a tree on his own property. She tried to claim that he had wrongfully deprived her house of summer shade. They laughed her out of court on her first court date.

  43. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It turns out this was a hoax by a pro-Trump group which is against doing anything about overpopulation. This group, for some bizarre reason, thinks Miss Open Borders, AOC, is a Malthusian. So they decided to go Swift on her.

    Yes. I realize there are Trump supporters who don’t dance for joy when they see the World’s Most Important Graph.

    The moral of the story is, no matter what side you take on any issue, there will be nut cases on your side.

    • Replies: @Rupert
    , @anon
  44. Jack D says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Sanders was the mayor of Burlington, VT which must have involved some real work.

    • LOL: black sea
  45. Hmmm … Bernie Sanders in a Vegas hospital on the second anniversary of the mass shooting: Did anyone actually see Bernie in that hospital?

  46. @jesse helms think-alike

    Pocahantas – why would anyone choose an ersatz hillary-lite when they can have the real thing.

    Yeah … about that ….

  47. RAZ says:
    @AnotherDad

    Jerry West said after it was the only time he wished he played in the ABA, since it would’ve been a 3 point shot and Lakers would’ve won. Long before the NBA had 3 point shots. A guy on the Knicks – think DeBuscherre dropped down to the floor after the shot like he had fainted at it.

  48. Rupert says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I figured by about the middle that that had to be a put-on of some sort. Do you have a link or any info on who the group is?

    It was very good trolling, I wish we saw a lot more like it, especially of lefties.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  49. El Dato says:
    @Anon

    Bernie will have to step up in the means of expediency.

    When you open the coffin, you better have good stuff inside.

  50. anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    This group, for some bizarre reason, thinks Miss Open Borders, AOC, is a Malthusian. So they decided to go Swift on her.

    Or maybe just troll her for the fun of it? See if out-AOC’ing the AOC gets any reaction?

    Remember when Merry Pranksters were leftists? You are old enough. Most of the rest of us, not so much. All we recall is dour lemonfaces like your girl Pelosi.

    LOL!

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Reg Cæsar
  51. @Jack D

    I don’t think so. I agree with the general consensus that Bernie, much like AOC, has never held a real job.

  52. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Sanders was the mayor of Burlington, VT which must have involved some real work.

    Plus he was a Senator from Vermont for years. Surely that must have involved some real work, too.

  53. @Anon

    on this point you’re right

    The electorate that put Obama in office to get free health care will try very hard to put Warren in office to get free college.

    but what’s keeping Hillary from making the same promise as Bernie has?

    my point about Warren being Hillary-lite was more to do with the fact that Hillary’s loss was psychologically devastating for the left. What better way mend the psychic wound than to put Hillary in her rightful place on the throne. It would be like a rape victim getting to confront her attacker at his trial and sentencing.With Warren as stand-in in for Hillary that wrong (2016) can never wholly made right.

    That and the fact that Warren (from my distant observation post) seems an unimpressive lightweight. She would be unknown if not for her gaming the system with her false POC status. She would never have gotten to wrap the Harvard mantle around her without that lie. The legitimacy and gravitas conferred by being “from Harvard” was the key to and linchpin of her political career and national status.

    Hillary on the other hand chose the right man to f____ and rode him all the way to within a hairsbreadth of the presidency.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  54. mmack says:
    @Justvisiting

    Meh, still not the best Lyndon LaRouche troll:

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-03-28-mn-620-story.html

    “CHICAGO — Still reeling from the primary victories of Lyndon LaRouche supporters last week, Illinois’ Democratic gubernatorial candidate, Adlai E. Stevenson III, said Thursday that he will bolt the party ticket and run as an independent.”

  55. @anon

    Remember when Merry Pranksters were leftists? You are old enough. Most of the rest of us, not so much. All we recall is dour lemonfaces like your girl Pelosi.

    Oh Gawd, yes.

    They were the West Coast humorous left. There was also a much more heavily Jewish East Coast humorous left. The Yippie movement, run mostly by Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman were more political, but they also had a great sense of humor. For example, they once dropped a bunch of dollar bills on the floor of the NYSE so they could take pictures of stockbrokers scrambling to pick up the money.

    Hoffman says the entire bit in the Chicago 8 trial in which Bobby Sanders would act up until they had him gagged an manacled was political theater. They wanted the image of black man in chains to be all over the American newspapers.

    Hoffman and Rubin absolutely despised Tom Hayden; they thought Hayden to be of the completely humorless neo-puritan bent.

    The problem is, the Yippies had their violent side, and they often didn’t really care who got hurt. John Lennon and Yoko Ono were leftists with a great sense of humor, and they got to be close to the Yippies at first. Finally, Lennon realized that Hoffman and the Yippies antics were likely going to get Lennon killed, or at the very least deported. The Yippies wanted Lennon and Ono for their stunts, and didn’t care what effect that had on Lennon and Yoko. As it was, dealing with the Yippies almost destroyed their marriage and almost got Lennon deported. (Ono already had a Green Card). The Yippies’ antics probably did not get Lennon killed.

    Hoffman could be a bit of a sociopath. In many ways, he was like the Joker, only not as homicidal. More like, Hoffman wanted to play his tricks, and if people got hurt in the process, or even killed, well, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs!

    It is sad to see how much of the Left has taken on the humorless neo-puritan aspects of the Tom Hayden WASP wing.

    The fun loving Left had its excesses, and people were hurt. Free Love was extremely exploitative of females, for example.

    But, back then being on the Left could be fun, except when people were being killed and/or buildings were getting blown up.

  56. @jesse helms think-alike

    Lots of problems with that.

    First off, the Clintons USED to be wild-eyed leftist reformers. My family knew them in the 1970s. They were a LOT further left in those days. My mother still lives in Arkansas. Some of the people in her nursing home are very close to Bill. Some are even named Clinton.

    After Bill Clinton lost his first gubernatorial re-election bid, the Powers That Be approached Bill, and made him a deal. Bill and Hillary could get on a more pro-corporate neo-liberal path, and be backed all the way to the White House. Or, they could remain leftist reformers, and never get back in power again.

    We know how that played out.

    Also:

    Hillary on the other hand chose the right man to f____ and rode him all the way to within a hairsbreadth of the presidency.

    Not exactly. As brilliant as Bill is, Hillary is smarter. He had brains and charisma. She had brains and more brains. They worked as a team. She was almost as important to his success as he was to her success. In some ways, Bill chose the right woman to take him all the way to the top. I think her failure to get to the top was in part because she didn’t depend enough on Bill.

    Not the first time a woman has helped her husband’s political career in American history. For example, the chances that Ronald Reagan would have been elected President had he never married Nancy are about zero. It is likely that John Adams the Elder’s political career was greatly enhanced by his choice of a wife. And so on.

    Um, not exactly. Those

  57. @Rupert

    It was the LaRouche PAC, as someone else posted somewhere.

    Not the most stable people.

    • Replies: @anon
  58. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Does Harris always talk that way, or is this just her version of the Obama campaign-trail “Keepin’ it real” accent?

  59. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    We know how that played out.

    Vince Foster says “Hi”.

  60. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Not the most stable people.

    Lol. By 90’s standards, maybe. By the standards of the Current Year? Almost normal.

  61. @Paleo Liberal

    Hillary is smarter. He had brains and charisma. She had brains and more brains.

    The idea that Hillary Clinton is of above average intelligence is one of the more bizarre beliefs held by leftists.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  62. @William Badwhite

    Hm. She graduated first in her class at Yale Law School. Yeah, I guess any below average clown can do that.

    Oh, I see, if you don’t like her, she can’t be smart.

    Based on your logic, I don’t think you are able to deal with those of us on the right side of the Bell Curve.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  63. @Paleo Liberal

    She graduated first in her class at Yale Law School.

    Good grief. I don’t think even Hillary herself has made this claim. It makes us wonder why she won’t release her grades or transcripts. She did fail the DC bar exam though.

    Oh, I see, if you don’t like her, she can’t be smart.

    I dislike plenty of smart people – Bill Clinton, Chuck Schumer, and Mitt Romney are just three examples.

    As far as Hillary goes, her lifetime of incompetence and failure casts doubt on her intelligence. She couldn’t get health-care reform through a Democratic house. Her ham-fisted efforts contributed greatly to the GOP taking the House, something previously thought impossible. She had the entire opinion-molding establishment in the bag for her along with a huge fund-raising edge and still lost an election to Donald Trump. Everything she has “accomplished” is due to her being a remora attached to her husband.

    Based on your logic, I don’t think you are able to deal with those of us on the right side of the Bell Curve.

    I don’t think logic means what you think it does.

    • Agree: BB753, JMcG
    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
  64. @Jack D

    You must have missed where I said “real job.” My town is 3 times the size of Burlington and our mayor doesn’t do jack shit. He has managed to total several city vehicles he has access to (circumstances shady), so the paperwork must have been brutal for him.

    Also, Burlington, VT is 85% white and only 5% black/3% Central American, so I’m going to go ahead and disagree with you on that even further.

  65. MEH 0910 says:

  66. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s not like they have any good jobs/assets anyway. There weren’t any good net jobs (insurance, $50,000+) since 2000.

  67. @anon

    Remember when Merry Pranksters were leftists?

    Ken Kesey was a staunch right-to-lifer, though.

    https://stjohnoneone.com/2017/02/27/how-can-abortion-be-anything-but-fascism-ken-kesey-on-abortion-and-euthanasia/

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  68. The campaign has refused to say if Sanders had a heart attack.

    Yeah. This.

    My stents came after a STEMI. The only way to determine whether they are needed otherwise is an exam using cardiac catheter and/or nuclear imaging – both of which are a big expensive pain in the ass if you haven’t already had a heart attack and know that there’s a big problem.

    I assume Bernie was rushed to an ER sooner than I was and never actually expired in an ambulance as I did, but I’m pretty sure (especially at his geezer age) he’s at least as fucked up afterwards as I was. Then again, Bernie being a boomerfag will no doubt take every heart pill prescribed and suck up massive healthcare resources in a futile effort to stay alive forever so it’s possible he might live to 2024..

  69. @William Badwhite

    I’ve always thought of Paleo Liberal as wrong but legit but damn, what an incredible claim. Hilary wasn’t even first in her class in high school or college, though she does appear to have been a diligent student — to her credit. But being studious and being smart are very different things.

    If Bill — whom I don’t like — could have run a third time in 2016 he would have won. Hillary was never the brains behind the operation — that’s just feminist drivel meant to attribute more political skill to Hillary than is the reality.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  70. @Reg Cæsar

    The Left and Right were more fluid in some of the issues that currently divide the country.

    It was not uncommon for conservatives to be in favor of legalized abortion, nor was it uncommon for liberals to be opposed.

    Among the presidential and vice- presidential candidates in the that era, the most pro-choice was Barry Goldwater. The most pro-life was Sargent Shriver, who was actually the head of a liberal Catholic pro-life organization.

    Also, in those days gun owners were split about evenly between Democrats and Republicans.

    It was also common in those days for liberals, or even hard core Leftists. to be strongly in favor of immigration restriction. Cesar Chavez worked closely with the INS to report illegal aliens. His brother led a group of union members to beat the crap out of Mexicans trying to cross the border illegally. Gaylord Nelson was on the board of an immigration restrictionist group until his death.

  71. MBlanc46 says:
    @jesse helms think-alike

    Never. She’d be found floating dead in the East Rive—or wherever they dump them in NY—if the party bigwigs even got a whiff of her planning another run.

  72. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. You’ve just brightened an otherwise chilly, dreary day in Cook County, Illinois.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  73. black sea says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I don’t doubt that Hillary’s obsessive, hectoring ambition helped drive her hound dog husband toward the White House. However, the notion that she was in some way “the brains behind the operation” isn’t plausible for several reasons.

    Hillary’s political orientation consists of standard-issue hard left identity grievances combined with plutocrat-friendly economic policies. What, in a policy sense, distinguishes her thinking from that of any one of a thousand other party spokes . . men, womyn, whatever? You might argue that she and Bill set set the grievance mongering /plutocrat pandering template for their party, but really, a quarter century later, is there anything insightful or innovative in their approach?

    Unlike her husband, Hillary genuinely believes the bullshit she spews from the pulpit. Hence her messiah-complex, combined with the paranoia that inevitably accompanies delusional megalomania. Decades ago, Bill learned that success in politics depended on being able to say one thing and do another without ever losing sight of the main chance. Sociopaths tend to excel at this sort of thing, and while I’m no fan of Hillary, she isn’t in Bill’s league when it comes to this.

    Hillary’s political instincts are abysmal. She can’t open her mouth without driving voters away while managing to bore even her loyal supporters with the infinite loop of cliches she imagines to be bold policy pronouncements. Had she remained simply Hillary Rodham, she would have been unlikely even to have made it as a mediocre member of the House of Representatives. Effectively, Bill made her political career for her, not the other way around.

    People tend to vote for candidates they trust, like, or depend on. Few candidates tick all three boxes, but two are generally enough. Hillary’s presidential outreach, however, worked only with those whom she might help out. Being trusted or liked was ruled out based on her personality and her history. For her, pandering to various interest groups proved not to be enough. Sadly, she remains unable to come to terms with this fact.

  74. black sea says:
    @prosa123

    Thirty-five is the minimum age to run for president. If we made 70 the maximum, candidates between the ages of 67 and 70 could serve at most one term. Hence, the maximum age for those running for their first term would pretty much be limited to 66 and below.

    • Replies: @BB753
  75. @XYZ (no Mr.)

    I have a sister-in-law who told me Michelle is even smarter than Barack.

    • Replies: @anon
  76. BB753 says:

    No man over 78 years old should promise anything. Why, he might drop dead tomorrow, for all we know. Ask any actuary.

  77. BB753 says:
    @prosa123

    Their bones age considerably faster than men’s. Just look at Hillary: she can barely walk unaided, not to mention her Parkinson’s or Alzheimers disease or whatever is wrong with her nervous system.
    Women in politics and in general old women who have pursued men’s careers are seldom in the same shape as housewives their age.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Anonymous
  78. @MBlanc46

    Hey, it’s Chicago! Almost California housing costs and taxes, but with terrible weather and way more hostile Africans. What a deal. That deep-dish pizza and the “Cubbies” make up for it all, though, somehow.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  79. anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I have a sister-in-law who told me Michelle is even smarter than Barack.

    Seems legit.

  80. J.Ross says:
    @Justvisiting

    No, she’s objectively correct. Who will disagree with me? Who will doubt science? If it is true that we only have twelve years left, and that the total burden of de-industrialization must be totally borne by whites, even as nonwhites pollute more, then yeah, eat babies. The only rational alternative would be to doubt that we have twelve years left. Has AOC or Greta doubted this?

  81. JMcG says:
    @BB753

    I agree. HC looks terrible for a 71 year old. Is she a drinker?

    • Replies: @BB753
  82. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    Women in politics and in general old women who have pursued men’s careers are seldom in the same shape as housewives their age.

    Girl rockers in their sixties and seventies often look pretty damn good, though most have had a lot of work. Big LMM is a little rough looking because she has eschewed the collagens and other beneficial stuff in dead animal for 50+ years, most of the rest look good.

    Linda Ronstadt, who can no longer sing, did get fat but has lost quite a bit of weight, but has aged into a pretty grandmotherly looking woman, much like Liza Minnelli. And Grace Slick looks pretty old and ate up, but she’s 80 now. Most of the rest are not too shabby. Christine McVie was never considered a particularly beautiful woman but she has aged well, she’s 75. Debbie Harry is 74 and starting to show a trifle of wattling but she does look great from on stage. Stevie Nicks, 71, looks pretty good. Suzi Quatro is little the worse for wear at 69. Joan Jett is a kid having just turned 60, doesn’t look all that bad.

    • Replies: @BB753
  83. BB753 says:
    @JMcG

    She’s a drinker of souls and gin.

  84. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous

    Do you believe a rock star life is a good example of a manly profession? I disagree.

  85. BB753 says:
    @black sea

    Alas, modern medicine has only prolonged senility, not even maturity, not to speak of youth.

  86. MBlanc46 says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Thin crust is the real Chicago pizza. And when I was a baseball fan, I was a White Sox fan. But, yeah, what used to draw people here is long since gone or irrelevant.

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