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From the BBC:

Why violent crime is so rare in Iceland
3 December 2013

Blue-eyedness? Hard to make an OJ-style run for the border? It’s full of Icelanders?

Here’s Wikipedia’s demographics table:

Residents in Iceland by country of origin
(as of 1 January 2014)[8]
Country Population %
Iceland 302,927 93.02%
Poland 10,224 3.14%
Lithuania 1,659 0.51%
Denmark 915 0.28%
Germany 910 0.28%
Latvia 696 0.21%
United Kingdom 614 0.19%
United States 607 0.19%
Philippines 558 0.17%
Thailand 531 0.16%
Portugal 527 0.16%
Spain 325 0.10%
Sweden 315 0.10%
France 301 0.09%
Norway 253 0.08%
Romania 231 0.07%
Vietnam 230 0.07%
China 217 0.07%
Italy 194 0.06%
Slovakia 189 0.06%
Czech Republic 156 0.05%
Hungary 155 0.05%
Ukraine 151 0.05%
Russia 148 0.05%
Netherlands 147 0.05%
Canada 135 0.04%
stateless 128 0.04%
Bulgaria 112 0.03%
Finland 108 0.03%
India 101 0.03%
others 1,907 0.59%
Total 325,671 100.00%
Total (excluding Icelanders) 22,744 6.98%

Not exactly Malmö …

None of the 28 itemized source countries are majority black or majority Muslim.

By way of contrast, here’s Malmö’s demographics from Wikipedia:

On 27 April 2011, the population of Malmö reached the 300,000 mark.[22]

Circa 43% of the population have a foreign background (135,509 residents); 31% was born abroad (99,788) and another 11% was Swedish-born (35,721), with foreign-born parents. The Middle East, Horn of Africa, former Yugoslavia and Denmark are the main sources of immigration.

As of 2015, Malmö had the fourth-highest proportion of foreign-born residents of any municipality in Sweden. In addition to these figures, 14% of the population are foreign nationals.

In 2011, the 10 largest groups of immigrants were born in Iraq (9,940), Denmark (8,972), Serbia (8,426), Bosnia and Herzegovina (5,969), Lebanon (3,780), Iran (3,375), Poland (3,053), Turkey (2,110), Hungary (2,038) and Romania (2,014). The 5 largest groups in 2014 were:

Iraq (11,003)
Serbia (8,179)
Denmark (7,916)
Poland (7,103)
Bosnia and Herzegovina (6,223)

 
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  1. Also, it’s really small. It’s always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it’s an important data point just because it’s sovereign.

    Cape Verde is a decent comparison.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    They are the same reporters who go to Finland and Japan to figure out how US schools can raise the test scores of blacks and Hispanics.
    , @wj
    Cape Verde - murder rate per 100,000 population - 10.6

    Iceland - murder rate per 100,000 population - 0.3
    , @attilathehen
    Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.
    , @anon
    Decent comparison? The murder rate in Cape Verde is about 35 times higher. Guess what is the majority race in that place?
  2. Anonymous [AKA "Jason9457"] says:

    Steve,

    Off topic here, but you’ve got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
    , @anon
    they* are so ingroupist** they can't see the double standard

    (*the ones this particular "they" applies to)

    (**side effect of surviving as a minority for so long imo)
  3. Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Iceland graciously took in a stateless Bobby Fischer.


    One of the sources, Register Iceland, reported an increase from 34 stateless persons in 2002 to 128 stateless persons in Iceland as of November 2013, with a residence permit that is valid for more than six months. They come from a number of countries, the largest group being registered as of Palestinian origin, coming from Iraq, and the second largest from Latvia. It also includes nine stateless children who were born in Iceland. This figure of 128 persons does not reflect stateless persons who do not have a residence permit valid for more than six months. Among those who have a residence permit for a shorter period than six months are a number who are registered as being from the former Soviet Union and the Former Yugoslavia.
     
    http://www.statelessness.eu/blog/stateless-persons-iceland-rarer-northern-lights
    , @Lot
    This article has demographic info on stateless people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness

    Based on it and the other Iceland demographics, I bet many of the 124 stateless are Baltic Russians.

    , @AKAHorace

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

     

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
    , @Anonymous
    While I'm hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.
  4. If there are any Muslims in that group it would possibly be from India.

  5. Steve,

    There are none so blind as those who will not see!

  6. Your chart says ‘as of 1 January 2014′

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/iceland-refugee-population-helps-yield-diversity-economic-growth/

    That would be ’24 August 2016’

    Not exactly Malmo. Not exactly yet.

  7. @Little Tripoli
    Also, it's really small. It's always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it's an important data point just because it's sovereign.

    Cape Verde is a decent comparison.

    They are the same reporters who go to Finland and Japan to figure out how US schools can raise the test scores of blacks and Hispanics.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    On that topic, the BBC also raise this clueless hardy perennial today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204

    "On the day that families in England and Wales are allocated secondary school places, research shows that the richest children dominate top state schools.

    Analysis of data shows 43% of pupils at England's outstanding secondaries are from the wealthiest 20% of families.

    The study from education charity Teach First also shows poorer pupils are half as likely as the richest to be heading to an outstanding secondary school."
     
    I'm using ">" as shorthand for "increased statistical likelihood of" here.

    High IQ > wealthier
    High IQ > high IQ kids
    High IQ kids > "outstanding school"
    Therefore
    Wealthier > "outstanding school"
  8. @Ivy
    Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.

    Iceland graciously took in a stateless Bobby Fischer.

    One of the sources, Register Iceland, reported an increase from 34 stateless persons in 2002 to 128 stateless persons in Iceland as of November 2013, with a residence permit that is valid for more than six months. They come from a number of countries, the largest group being registered as of Palestinian origin, coming from Iraq, and the second largest from Latvia. It also includes nine stateless children who were born in Iceland. This figure of 128 persons does not reflect stateless persons who do not have a residence permit valid for more than six months. Among those who have a residence permit for a shorter period than six months are a number who are registered as being from the former Soviet Union and the Former Yugoslavia.

    http://www.statelessness.eu/blog/stateless-persons-iceland-rarer-northern-lights

  9. @Ivy
    Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.

    This article has demographic info on stateless people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness

    Based on it and the other Iceland demographics, I bet many of the 124 stateless are Baltic Russians.

  10. “None of the 28 itemized source countries are majority black or majority Muslim”

    Well not yet, anyway.

  11. I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
     
    A couple of points:

    First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.

    Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
    , @PiltdownMan
    I'm going to speculate a bit. Pulling together with anonymous strangers to get something done may be an artifact of not simply homogeneity, but of homogeneity and the shared experience of rapid industrialization. So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.

    My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don't know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam

    https://youtu.be/iKhsPO6yYko?t=4s
  12. @Ivy
    Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    • Replies: @Triumph104

    Of the 65,432 couples in Iceland (“couples” in this case meaning either married or legally registered as living together), 3,979 are with mixed backgrounds, i.e., one Icelander and one foreigner, comprising 6% of Iceland’s couples. Árdís took a closer look at the situation.

    According to her findings, most foreign women married to Icelandic men during the past ten years were from Thailand, the Philippines, Germany, Poland and Denmark. The largest ethnicities of foreign women in Iceland overall are Danish, Thai, German, Filipina and American.

    At the same time, most foreign men married to Icelandic women were from Denmark, Britain, the US, Germany and Norway. The largest ethnicities of foreign men in Iceland are British, American, Danish, German and French.

    While Poles are the largest immigrant group in Iceland, they were not strongly represented in this research. Árdís attributes this to a few reasons: for one, many Poles arriving in Iceland are already married, and many Polish men said they considered Icelandic women too independent.

    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.
     

    http://grapevine.is/news/2013/11/12/couples-of-mixed-background-six-percent-of-nation/
    , @AnotherDad

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
     
    Why should they be? While generally it's men who need to protect their women, their tribe's gene pool, from corruption, there's no reason that a woman who is part of a closed--island!--nation would not feel that her descendants' ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you're part of something like that it's a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.
    , @fnn
    I once read somewhere that George Lincoln Rockwell's two children by his Icelandic wife both married East Asians.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    They're all at it. Here's some Norwegian fellas.
    https://vimeo.com/ondemand/thaifjord
    Swedes go for actual Chinese (mainland or Formosan), for some reason.
  13. @Ivy
    Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.

    While I’m hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.
     
    A "plus"? In other words, you are *not* Euro-centric, but willing to sell out our ancestral homelands, because you like Asians.
    , @eah
    If you are willing (presumably) to flood white countries with significant numbers of Asians, how exactly are you "hardcore Eurocentric"? -- maybe you meant 'softcore Eurocentric'.
    , @anon
    Hate to break this to you sport, but you are ANYTHING BUT a "hard-core Eurocentric".
  14. If they mean in the absolute sense, perhaps partly because people are relatively rare in Iceland: The Population density of Iceland is 3.08 (capita per square kilometer) with a global rank of 209.

  15. @AKAHorace

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

     

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    Of the 65,432 couples in Iceland (“couples” in this case meaning either married or legally registered as living together), 3,979 are with mixed backgrounds, i.e., one Icelander and one foreigner, comprising 6% of Iceland’s couples. Árdís took a closer look at the situation.

    According to her findings, most foreign women married to Icelandic men during the past ten years were from Thailand, the Philippines, Germany, Poland and Denmark. The largest ethnicities of foreign women in Iceland overall are Danish, Thai, German, Filipina and American.

    At the same time, most foreign men married to Icelandic women were from Denmark, Britain, the US, Germany and Norway. The largest ethnicities of foreign men in Iceland are British, American, Danish, German and French.

    While Poles are the largest immigrant group in Iceland, they were not strongly represented in this research. Árdís attributes this to a few reasons: for one, many Poles arriving in Iceland are already married, and many Polish men said they considered Icelandic women too independent.

    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.

    http://grapevine.is/news/2013/11/12/couples-of-mixed-background-six-percent-of-nation/

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.



    Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.
  16. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Off topic here, but you've got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:

    https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/836748581407178752

    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn’t there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    • Replies: @bomag

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
     
    We admitted all fault; we gave away all our women; we gave away our country; and all we got is more boot coming down on our face.
    , @Karl
    16 Nigerian Nationalist > Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists


    By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.

    Also, we don't see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don't believe there were really enough "Christians" even existing to kvetch about, until what's-his-name's Byzantine-Emperor's mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem down

    You guys really weren't very important yet - you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren't about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted....

    PS: I think the "stateless" are Rohingya

    , @Olorin

    This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
     
    In other words, you mainly care about your group.

    Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.
    , @SFG
    I don't know about the faults, but the women are already being exchanged. Look at the intermarriage rates.
    , @anon

    This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
     
    I think you're right that it's a cycle with fault on both sides and it needs to be stopped before the world gets blown to bits or turned into planet retard.
    , @Expletive Deleted

    have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women
     
    OMG I just realised you meant literal tit-for-tat
    (.. thinks for exactly twelve seconds about the nice Jewish guy across the landing's demoness ..) Wew, no way, that's a non-starter. I'd rather keep wolverines. And polecats. Together, with badgers for referees.
  17. From the linked article:

    Frankly, there is no perfect answer as to why Iceland has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.

    Why so much crime in Chicago? Why so little crime in Iceland? I just don’t know! I’m a good person for not knowing!

    The discordance here is absolutely cosmic.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Lack of volcanic activity in IL. Simples. Needs more lava in da hood.
    Although having to listen to B'joerrrrkk! for an entire Arctic night would probably push the homicide/suicide rates up some.
  18. @Little Tripoli
    Also, it's really small. It's always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it's an important data point just because it's sovereign.

    Cape Verde is a decent comparison.

    Cape Verde – murder rate per 100,000 population – 10.6

    Iceland – murder rate per 100,000 population – 0.3

  19. @AKAHorace

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

     

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    Why should they be? While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption, there’s no reason that a woman who is part of a closed–island!–nation would not feel that her descendants’ ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you’re part of something like that it’s a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption
     
    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of "corruption" from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.
    , @Anonymous
    Men don't protect "gene pools." Men protect their access to women - it's why Y-chromosome haplogroups are geographically concentrated, while mtDNA haplogroups are much more geographically diffuse. Women's lib and the sexual revolution have meant that the patriarchy and men's access to women have declined. This means that either patriarchy has to be returned or women have to figure out a way to castrate men if they don't want them seeking access to women elsewhere. Maybe they will be in the future, but men aren't sterile worker bees devoted to the sexual interests and gene pools of their queens.
    , @Corvinus
    "While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption..."

    No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their "tribe's gene pool from corruption". I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.
  20. @Anonymous
    While I'm hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.

    But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.

    A “plus”? In other words, you are *not* Euro-centric, but willing to sell out our ancestral homelands, because you like Asians.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    Good. Anonymous suffers from "Derbyshire Derangement Syndrome." John Derbyshire and his Chinese wife and offspring (the mother and daughter were Obama voters). Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA). More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama. Iceland should put a stop to these Asian marriages.
    , @Pericles
    Yeah, extra funny when he also proclaims himself hardcore.

    "I'm a hardcore Orthodox Jew ... Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any part of Israel."
  21. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    We admitted all fault; we gave away all our women; we gave away our country; and all we got is more boot coming down on our face.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Meant both sides, Jews tend to presume their complete and total innocence.

    To an outsider, its less black and white.
  22. So for all the panic about Malmo, many of its immigrants are from other European countries. And I’ll bet that a good chunk of the Iraqis are Christian refugees and therefore unlikely to be troublesome.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes. Those demographics make Malmo look pretty attractive compared to Marseilles, Leeds, Duisburg, or even Brussels (and paradise compared to Detroit or Philadelphia). on the other hand Belgrad is a crime ridden hellhole compared to Stockholm, these things are relative.
    , @anon
    Not so fast! They MAY be from other European countries, but that doesn't automatically mean they are native Europeans. They could be Muslims, etc., living in Denmark who moved on to Sweden, rather then native ethnic Danes..
  23. @AnotherDad

    But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.
     
    A "plus"? In other words, you are *not* Euro-centric, but willing to sell out our ancestral homelands, because you like Asians.

    Good. Anonymous suffers from “Derbyshire Derangement Syndrome.” John Derbyshire and his Chinese wife and offspring (the mother and daughter were Obama voters). Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA). More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama. Iceland should put a stop to these Asian marriages.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA).
     
    First, a couple of caveats. I AM ethnically Asian. In fact, I emigrated from East Asia. But I am opposed to further large scale immigration from anywhere, including Asia, into the United States.

    With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, "pure" Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as "white" in the U.S.!

    Most - likely a vast majority of - part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/22/24F3C57B00000578-0-image-a-20_1421963207294.jpg - is the norm, not the exception.

    More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama.
     
    Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the "white party" (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).
  24. @Little Tripoli
    Also, it's really small. It's always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it's an important data point just because it's sovereign.

    Cape Verde is a decent comparison.

    Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime."

    Most Cape Verdeans are Mulattos. Genetic DNA studies say they on average are almost a 50/50 mix of European and African. If you google image search Cape Verdeans you will see it's obvious in their phenotypes.
  25. Total (excluding Icelanders)

    No doubt the dream of a scheming few.

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you think the involved parties score in ability to honestly admit fault?

  26. @Triumph104

    Of the 65,432 couples in Iceland (“couples” in this case meaning either married or legally registered as living together), 3,979 are with mixed backgrounds, i.e., one Icelander and one foreigner, comprising 6% of Iceland’s couples. Árdís took a closer look at the situation.

    According to her findings, most foreign women married to Icelandic men during the past ten years were from Thailand, the Philippines, Germany, Poland and Denmark. The largest ethnicities of foreign women in Iceland overall are Danish, Thai, German, Filipina and American.

    At the same time, most foreign men married to Icelandic women were from Denmark, Britain, the US, Germany and Norway. The largest ethnicities of foreign men in Iceland are British, American, Danish, German and French.

    While Poles are the largest immigrant group in Iceland, they were not strongly represented in this research. Árdís attributes this to a few reasons: for one, many Poles arriving in Iceland are already married, and many Polish men said they considered Icelandic women too independent.

    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.
     

    http://grapevine.is/news/2013/11/12/couples-of-mixed-background-six-percent-of-nation/

    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.

    Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.
     
    Yes, those terrible men who cannot bring themselves to worship women who hate men...

    On a serious note, that is what de-Christianization and re-paganization does to a society. It turns sex and pair bonding into a temporary transaction rather than a beautiful and sublime sacrament of matrimony, in which the two opposites complement each other and sacrifice for one another. Time to go read "The Gift of the Magi" again.
  27. @bomag

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
     
    We admitted all fault; we gave away all our women; we gave away our country; and all we got is more boot coming down on our face.

    Meant both sides, Jews tend to presume their complete and total innocence.

    To an outsider, its less black and white.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Thats the point. We can't reach a peace treaty if one side is unwilling to cease hostilities (or even admit it's engaging in hostilities).
  28. Anonymous [AKA "JamieR"] says:

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
     
    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were - as with other tribal raiders - cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.

    The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.

    The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.
    , @anon

    HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
     
    yes - minus the amount selected out over time as law and order switched from vendetta to state

    in a vendetta society every clan wants some psychos in their clan (even if they're extremely dangerous) to fight the psychos in the other clans

    once you have state law the psychos gradually get culled

    #

    the places where you still have a lot of psychos are places where vendetta law lasted the longest or still exists e.g. Sudan, Chechnya, Sicily etc

  29. @George Taylor
    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I'm thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFbdjD4Two0

    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea

    A couple of points:

    First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication.

    Second, Koreans are – judging by road fatality rates – worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
     
    I agree. HBD based generalizations about driving are ridiculous. 20 years ago Poles were horrible drivers, reckless and no sense of basic courtesy. Nowadays I prefer driving in Poland to the US. Better cars, better roads, German influence and increasing prosperity seemed to have caused big changes in behavior. People are the same.
    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    " In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication."

    Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.

    Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.

    There:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY

    Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    It's obvious you've never driven in Massachusetts.
  30. @attilathehen
    Good. Anonymous suffers from "Derbyshire Derangement Syndrome." John Derbyshire and his Chinese wife and offspring (the mother and daughter were Obama voters). Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA). More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama. Iceland should put a stop to these Asian marriages.

    Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA).

    First, a couple of caveats. I AM ethnically Asian. In fact, I emigrated from East Asia. But I am opposed to further large scale immigration from anywhere, including Asia, into the United States.

    With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, “pure” Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as “white” in the U.S.!

    Most – likely a vast majority of – part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this –– is the norm, not the exception.

    More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama.

    Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the “white party” (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    First of all, “pure” Asians in America…
     
    Asian immigrants are an order of magnitude purer than Americans. They're not only purely Asian, but in most cases full-blooded Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Hmong, whatever.

    I'm not sure I'd have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We'd have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom's tribe.

    Thank heaven we're both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They're stuck here!
  31. @AnotherDad

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
     
    Why should they be? While generally it's men who need to protect their women, their tribe's gene pool, from corruption, there's no reason that a woman who is part of a closed--island!--nation would not feel that her descendants' ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you're part of something like that it's a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.

    While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption

    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Also, the Norsemen who settled Iceland did so with quite a few women abducted from Ireland. The Icelandic gene pool is reportedly about a quarter Celtic.

    I used to see KLM and Icelandair cabin crews side-by-side every day, and the Dutch girls looked far more Nordic. Taller, blonder, stockier, etc.

    Of course, that may not be the gene pool speaking, but the applicant pool. The Netherlands have about sixty times the population of Iceland.
    , @Floyd R Turbo
    I think most Europeans understand that. A glance at a map shows that Europe is en-route from Africa to the far East. But that is largely irrelevant. I don't want White women breeding with negroes because they are stupid and violent (because of their DNA), and I don't want White women breeding with muslims because they are not very bright and they are violent (because of their religion).
    .
    I'm one quarter asian Indian. My Grandfather was a "Kshatriya" and a right violent bastard. There have been numerous times when I have felt the "red mist" rising myself - but my English part can control it. A lot of blacks and hispanics can't control it - and our current society isn't giving them much incentive to try.
    .
    A hundred labradors in a dog park would probably get along. If you put five pit bulls in with the labradors, everything will be fine until something sets one of the pit bulls off - then there will be carnage. I want to live in a society of well-adjusted, happy labradors - I don't want to live in a society that is reduced to carnage.
    , @anon
    You definitely have some kind of agenda here sport.
  32. @AKAHorace
    Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.



    Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.

    Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.

    Yes, those terrible men who cannot bring themselves to worship women who hate men…

    On a serious note, that is what de-Christianization and re-paganization does to a society. It turns sex and pair bonding into a temporary transaction rather than a beautiful and sublime sacrament of matrimony, in which the two opposites complement each other and sacrifice for one another. Time to go read “The Gift of the Magi” again.

  33. @Anonymous
    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren't the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.

    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were – as with other tribal raiders – cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.

    The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today’s sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.

    The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity (“Love one another as I have loved you”) in Europe.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    The Anglo-Celts and Anglo-Normans and Anglo-Saxons in the South are just as potentially violent as they ever were in Northwest Europe and/or Britain. They have used exaggerated politeness and manners to reduce the bloodshed. Everybody knows why they lay it on so thick down there. It helps to keep things reasonably civil without descending into violence over every damn thing.

    The Southern use of manners in dealing with Blacks is also a way to keep the peace between racial groups while keeping your distance from them. Hillary Clinton, Obama and George W. Bush just go out of their way to avoid Blacks. That is their method of dealing with Blacks.
    , @IBC

    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples.
     
    If you read Heimskringla --the sagas of the Norse kings, it's amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols --from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    One of the scariest psychos in the Sagas was by-named 'Killer-Hrapp'. Because he was called Hrapp, and liked killing. A whole lot, even by viking standards. He'd even contrived to utterly desecrate (loot, then torch) a pagan temple over in Norge.
    Even dead he continued his zombie depredations on his quailing true-norse (ex)neighbours, from his buried-standing-up-under-the threshold afterlife. Stout fellow. He'd been killed at least twice previously while still fully human, then was finally exhumed and cremated at sea. Even Vikings have limits for that sort of high-jinks.

    He was a Hebridean, most probably the same sort of character that the Christian Irish knew as Gall-ghaidhil, and thus the very model of a vicious half-insane barbarian, to the fastidious Icelandic gentlemen.

  34. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    16 Nigerian Nationalist > Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists

    By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.

    Also, we don’t see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don’t believe there were really enough “Christians” even existing to kvetch about, until what’s-his-name’s Byzantine-Emperor’s mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem down

    You guys really weren’t very important yet – you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren’t about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted….

    PS: I think the “stateless” are Rohingya

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    That was a bit of a simplification. The early Jewish "prosecution" of Christians came from two angles.

    The elites who had reached an accomodation with the Romans, who didn't like the disruptive nature of the early Christians, the whole Messiah, King of the Jews business. They saw them as a vanguard for the zealots who if they revolted would bring back Rome's iron fist. to the detriment of their privileges.

    The zealots on the hand (both religious and national) disliked early Christians, either for their religious innovations or precisely because those innovations made the Christians (then in their/our? millennial, the kingdom of God on earth is literally tomorrow stance) unconcerned with the fight for Jewish freedom from Roman domination.
  35. I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.

    Right; you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.
     
    Completely relevant to the original rambling about "corruption" against "purity."
  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
     
    Why should they be? While generally it's men who need to protect their women, their tribe's gene pool, from corruption, there's no reason that a woman who is part of a closed--island!--nation would not feel that her descendants' ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you're part of something like that it's a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.

    Men don’t protect “gene pools.” Men protect their access to women – it’s why Y-chromosome haplogroups are geographically concentrated, while mtDNA haplogroups are much more geographically diffuse. Women’s lib and the sexual revolution have meant that the patriarchy and men’s access to women have declined. This means that either patriarchy has to be returned or women have to figure out a way to castrate men if they don’t want them seeking access to women elsewhere. Maybe they will be in the future, but men aren’t sterile worker bees devoted to the sexual interests and gene pools of their queens.

  37. @prosa123
    So for all the panic about Malmo, many of its immigrants are from other European countries. And I'll bet that a good chunk of the Iraqis are Christian refugees and therefore unlikely to be troublesome.

    Yes. Those demographics make Malmo look pretty attractive compared to Marseilles, Leeds, Duisburg, or even Brussels (and paradise compared to Detroit or Philadelphia). on the other hand Belgrad is a crime ridden hellhole compared to Stockholm, these things are relative.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Are we sure the "Danes" in Malmo are actual Danes and not "refugees" who are shopping for more generous welfare payments?
  38. @Twinkie

    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
     
    A couple of points:

    First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.

    Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.

    So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.

    I agree. HBD based generalizations about driving are ridiculous. 20 years ago Poles were horrible drivers, reckless and no sense of basic courtesy. Nowadays I prefer driving in Poland to the US. Better cars, better roads, German influence and increasing prosperity seemed to have caused big changes in behavior. People are the same.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    People are the same.
     
    I wouldn't quite go that far. People are the same about a lot of things, but much of that "sameness" is refracted through differences in genes and environment, which interact with each other to produce diverse, that is to say different, cultures.
  39. @George Taylor
    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I'm thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFbdjD4Two0

    I’m going to speculate a bit. Pulling together with anonymous strangers to get something done may be an artifact of not simply homogeneity, but of homogeneity and the shared experience of rapid industrialization. So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.

    My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don’t know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    "So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not."

    You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won't vouch for.

    Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren't hard to find.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
  40. @Twinkie

    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
     
    A couple of points:

    First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.

    Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.

    ” In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication.”

    Bullshit, not empirical, doesn’t even qualify as common sense.

    Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.

    There:

    Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I’m sure you’ll try to shift the goalposts.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I’m sure you’ll try to shift the goalposts.
     
    Ok. I'll play. Same circumstance. It doesn't even have to be inside a tunnel. Why don't you show us a video of an emergency vehicle - tow truck, police car or ambulance - trying to navigate a traffic-jammed area?
    , @Floyd R Turbo
    I'm curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.
  41. @PiltdownMan
    I'm going to speculate a bit. Pulling together with anonymous strangers to get something done may be an artifact of not simply homogeneity, but of homogeneity and the shared experience of rapid industrialization. So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.

    My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don't know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam

    https://youtu.be/iKhsPO6yYko?t=4s

    “So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.”

    You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won’t vouch for.

    Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren’t hard to find.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Good point about sloppy and inattentive grammar. May not.

    It should not be surprising my speculation about Lagos was impressionistic, though I do have relatives who have lived there, for the two bits that is worth. Thanks for the on-the-ground report and video.
  42. The homicide rate in Iceland is about .6 homicides/100,000 population/year — about 2 homicides a year. In NYC in 2015 there were 11 white homicides in a white population of 2.7 million for a homicide rate of .4 (11/27). At the same time, the 2 million blacks in NYC sustained 232 homicides for a homicide rate of 11.6 (232/20), one of the lowest urban black homicide rates in the country, (just across the Hudson in Newark, it’s about 60), but still about 30x the corresponding white rate in NYC. During the Democratic primary in NYC, Hillary argued that blacks were a disproportionate share of the prison population because of systemic racism in the (largely democratically run) criminal justice system. None of the other candidates and no one in the media challenged her on this. Trump is the one they fact checked relentlessly.

  43. @Karl
    16 Nigerian Nationalist > Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists


    By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.

    Also, we don't see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don't believe there were really enough "Christians" even existing to kvetch about, until what's-his-name's Byzantine-Emperor's mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem down

    You guys really weren't very important yet - you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren't about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted....

    PS: I think the "stateless" are Rohingya

    That was a bit of a simplification. The early Jewish “prosecution” of Christians came from two angles.

    The elites who had reached an accomodation with the Romans, who didn’t like the disruptive nature of the early Christians, the whole Messiah, King of the Jews business. They saw them as a vanguard for the zealots who if they revolted would bring back Rome’s iron fist. to the detriment of their privileges.

    The zealots on the hand (both religious and national) disliked early Christians, either for their religious innovations or precisely because those innovations made the Christians (then in their/our? millennial, the kingdom of God on earth is literally tomorrow stance) unconcerned with the fight for Jewish freedom from Roman domination.

  44. @Twinkie

    While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption
     
    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of "corruption" from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.

    Also, the Norsemen who settled Iceland did so with quite a few women abducted from Ireland. The Icelandic gene pool is reportedly about a quarter Celtic.

    I used to see KLM and Icelandair cabin crews side-by-side every day, and the Dutch girls looked far more Nordic. Taller, blonder, stockier, etc.

    Of course, that may not be the gene pool speaking, but the applicant pool. The Netherlands have about sixty times the population of Iceland.

  45. @Twinkie

    Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA).
     
    First, a couple of caveats. I AM ethnically Asian. In fact, I emigrated from East Asia. But I am opposed to further large scale immigration from anywhere, including Asia, into the United States.

    With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, "pure" Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as "white" in the U.S.!

    Most - likely a vast majority of - part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/22/24F3C57B00000578-0-image-a-20_1421963207294.jpg - is the norm, not the exception.

    More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama.
     
    Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the "white party" (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).

    First of all, “pure” Asians in America…

    Asian immigrants are an order of magnitude purer than Americans. They’re not only purely Asian, but in most cases full-blooded Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Hmong, whatever.

    I’m not sure I’d have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We’d have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom’s tribe.

    Thank heaven we’re both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They’re stuck here!

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m not sure I’d have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We’d have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom’s tribe.
     
    Not sure that's true.

    When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).

    With East Asians, it's often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.
  46. Why? Bc it is an island…surrounded by volcanic rock, slippery and jagged lichen-covered rocks; barren land; inhospitable long valleys with mountains in the distance that look like mirages. It is cold; and there is no foraging for anything to survive on. Towns are small…and Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family. You know I love Iceland! The horses are amazing…the landscapes are magic to ride through.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family.
     
    Lagertha, you are always so hilarious with your half-drunken nonsensical ramblings.

    The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.

    Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.
  47. (1) Through my telescope, Danes and Icelanders look fairly compatible, so I’m not too surprised to hear that some find each other.

    (2) It’s pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.

    (3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word “rape”) them, but usually they just woo them. It’s generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate– probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it– in fact a man who isn’t powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)

    (4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)

    (5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it’s fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men– I think that would be just fine.

    (6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don’t like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.

    • Replies: @Olorin

    (2) It’s pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.
     
    A projection onto all Icelandic women that says more about you than you may realize.
    , @Twinkie

    we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men– I think that would be just fine.
     
    What about foreign (-origin) husbands? Is that just a tent pole too wide?
  48. @Nigerian Nationalist
    "So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not."

    You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won't vouch for.

    Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren't hard to find.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY

    Good point about sloppy and inattentive grammar. May not.

    It should not be surprising my speculation about Lagos was impressionistic, though I do have relatives who have lived there, for the two bits that is worth. Thanks for the on-the-ground report and video.

  49. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    In other words, you mainly care about your group.

    Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Between the ethnic champions trying to drag us down into bickering clans and the Pan-Africans/"global citizens" content with leaving us the world's charity basket, while feathering their nests off it, its tougher than I make it seem.

    From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.

    Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.
  50. @Nigerian Nationalist
    " In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication."

    Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.

    Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.

    There:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY

    Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.

    Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I’m sure you’ll try to shift the goalposts.

    Ok. I’ll play. Same circumstance. It doesn’t even have to be inside a tunnel. Why don’t you show us a video of an emergency vehicle – tow truck, police car or ambulance – trying to navigate a traffic-jammed area?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    You actually shifted the goalposts.

    You're showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???

    It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.

    Call it a Pavlovian reaction.

    I'm anticipating yet another goal shift.
  51. @Veracitor
    (1) Through my telescope, Danes and Icelanders look fairly compatible, so I'm not too surprised to hear that some find each other.

    (2) It's pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.

    (3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word "rape") them, but usually they just woo them. It's generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate-- probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it-- in fact a man who isn't powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)

    (4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)

    (5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it's fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men-- I think that would be just fine.

    (6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don't like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.

    (2) It’s pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.

    A projection onto all Icelandic women that says more about you than you may realize.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Be that as it may, I have in my lifetime, much of it spent in Sweden and some of it in long periods abroad, on consideration found that Swedish women are a bit colder and more mannish than foreign (Western) women.

    To some extent this may stem from the sick culture of the last 50 years or so rather than anything inherent, but I couldn't say. We did adopt said sick culture with alacrity.
  52. @Peter Akuleyev

    So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
     
    I agree. HBD based generalizations about driving are ridiculous. 20 years ago Poles were horrible drivers, reckless and no sense of basic courtesy. Nowadays I prefer driving in Poland to the US. Better cars, better roads, German influence and increasing prosperity seemed to have caused big changes in behavior. People are the same.

    People are the same.

    I wouldn’t quite go that far. People are the same about a lot of things, but much of that “sameness” is refracted through differences in genes and environment, which interact with each other to produce diverse, that is to say different, cultures.

  53. @Svigor

    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.
     
    Right; you're pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.

    you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.

    Completely relevant to the original rambling about “corruption” against “purity.”

  54. @Reg Cæsar

    First of all, “pure” Asians in America…
     
    Asian immigrants are an order of magnitude purer than Americans. They're not only purely Asian, but in most cases full-blooded Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Hmong, whatever.

    I'm not sure I'd have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We'd have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom's tribe.

    Thank heaven we're both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They're stuck here!

    I’m not sure I’d have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We’d have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom’s tribe.

    Not sure that’s true.

    When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).

    With East Asians, it’s often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).
     
    At work here is racial preference quotas for blacks. Reverse them, and racial identification would probably shift accordingly. While Jim Crow was in force, black and white mixtures used to identify as (aka try to pass for) white.
  55. @Veracitor
    (1) Through my telescope, Danes and Icelanders look fairly compatible, so I'm not too surprised to hear that some find each other.

    (2) It's pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.

    (3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word "rape") them, but usually they just woo them. It's generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate-- probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it-- in fact a man who isn't powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)

    (4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)

    (5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it's fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men-- I think that would be just fine.

    (6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don't like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.

    we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men– I think that would be just fine.

    What about foreign (-origin) husbands? Is that just a tent pole too wide?

  56. @Lagertha
    Why? Bc it is an island...surrounded by volcanic rock, slippery and jagged lichen-covered rocks; barren land; inhospitable long valleys with mountains in the distance that look like mirages. It is cold; and there is no foraging for anything to survive on. Towns are small...and Icelandic men are like Finns - they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children...any women or children. The men are big and strong...bc....their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family. You know I love Iceland! The horses are amazing...the landscapes are magic to ride through.

    Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family.

    Lagertha, you are always so hilarious with your half-drunken nonsensical ramblings.

    The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.

    Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Well, Iceland is made up of fishermen with a (now dormant) raiding hobby. Living in a very tough climate.
    , @Corvinus
    "Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings."

    Try again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland
  57. @Twinkie

    I’m not sure I’d have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We’d have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom’s tribe.
     
    Not sure that's true.

    When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).

    With East Asians, it's often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.

    When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).

    At work here is racial preference quotas for blacks. Reverse them, and racial identification would probably shift accordingly. While Jim Crow was in force, black and white mixtures used to identify as (aka try to pass for) white.

  58. Some of the worst, most hostile driving I’ve ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some of the worst, most hostile driving I’ve ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

     

    We did a car tour of that area a couple of summers ago, and I agree driving was not relaxing. Competing for parking spaces was also fierce at times. But I'm surprised you found it worse than SoCal -- was it the preponderance of narrow roads that were still pretty busy that you found hard to deal with?
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    A lot of wealthy young men in that corridor, especially on the Burford/Cirencester/Bath route. They know the roads, have fast cars and drive accordingly. Do you think a 19-year old David Cameron type would be a considerate driver?

    (Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)
    , @Floyd R Turbo
    Not surprising. Jane Austen herself was a bit of a "hot shoe" - so much so that writers of "Jane Austen Fan Fiction" have coined a term: DFCA (Dreaded Freak Carriage Accident), referring to a commonly used plot twist.
    http://austenauthors.net/the-dreaded-freak-carriage-accident/
  59. @Steve Sailer
    Some of the worst, most hostile driving I've ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

    Some of the worst, most hostile driving I’ve ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

    We did a car tour of that area a couple of summers ago, and I agree driving was not relaxing. Competing for parking spaces was also fierce at times. But I’m surprised you found it worse than SoCal — was it the preponderance of narrow roads that were still pretty busy that you found hard to deal with?

  60. @Olorin

    This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
     
    In other words, you mainly care about your group.

    Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.

    Between the ethnic champions trying to drag us down into bickering clans and the Pan-Africans/”global citizens” content with leaving us the world’s charity basket, while feathering their nests off it, its tougher than I make it seem.

    From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.

    Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    European 'barbarian' groups from the north and east (ultimately from the Western Steppe) periodically renew European civilizations when they become decadent. This pattern has gone on for over 3,000 years.

    Arminius is sometimes associated with the greatest hero of Germanic legend, Siegfried. You might personally have a few of his qualities, but your people as a whole have nothing to offer us by way of renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.

  61. @Twinkie

    Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I’m sure you’ll try to shift the goalposts.
     
    Ok. I'll play. Same circumstance. It doesn't even have to be inside a tunnel. Why don't you show us a video of an emergency vehicle - tow truck, police car or ambulance - trying to navigate a traffic-jammed area?

    You actually shifted the goalposts.

    You’re showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???

    It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.

    Call it a Pavlovian reaction.

    I’m anticipating yet another goal shift.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    You actually shifted the goalposts.
     
    Apparently for some blacks, being asked to behave in the same manner as other (civilized) peoples is "shifting the goalposts."

    You’re showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule
     
    That's just an excuse, and a bad one at that. And your own ignorance is splendidly transparent, for that matter. South Korea - for the majority of its existence as a modern nation-state - was ruled by dictators. Indeed between 1960 and 1998, it was ruled by generals, often under martial law. But even during the tumultous street battles between student demonstrators and the riot police, the combatants would cease fighting and make way (temporarily) when women and children crossed the boulevards.

    What you don't seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in "self-help" mode - to get themselves somewhere quickly.
  62. @Triumph104
    They are the same reporters who go to Finland and Japan to figure out how US schools can raise the test scores of blacks and Hispanics.

    On that topic, the BBC also raise this clueless hardy perennial today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204

    “On the day that families in England and Wales are allocated secondary school places, research shows that the richest children dominate top state schools.

    Analysis of data shows 43% of pupils at England’s outstanding secondaries are from the wealthiest 20% of families.

    The study from education charity Teach First also shows poorer pupils are half as likely as the richest to be heading to an outstanding secondary school.”

    I’m using “>” as shorthand for “increased statistical likelihood of” here.

    High IQ > wealthier
    High IQ > high IQ kids
    High IQ kids > “outstanding school”
    Therefore
    Wealthier > “outstanding school”

    • Replies: @res
    Two thoughts. First, maybe use -> for “increased statistical likelihood of”, > is too often used in comparisons like this to indicate "better" or "more important."

    Second, your first point needs to be
    Wealthier -> high IQ
    for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it's worth noting that it's the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.
  63. @Steve Sailer
    Some of the worst, most hostile driving I've ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

    A lot of wealthy young men in that corridor, especially on the Burford/Cirencester/Bath route. They know the roads, have fast cars and drive accordingly. Do you think a 19-year old David Cameron type would be a considerate driver?

    (Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Agreed. Posh and peasant yob are thick on the ground there.
  64. Intriguingly I was also looking at the demographics of Iceland a couple of days ago.

    The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.

    Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.

    It’s interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.

    Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.

    We don’t have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I think out-of-wedlock births in Iceland are the majority. Marriage rates are low. This is also part of Sweden's problem.
    , @Triumph104

    Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.
     
    No, low fertility rates do not resolve themselves. Socialist government intervention is needed in the form of paid parental leave, low-cost high-quality daycare, and other financial subsidies. Women in Iceland can be staunch feminists because they know the government will help them raise their children. In Iceland, 67% of the children are born out of wedlock.

    Bryndis has three kids with two partners and not a drop of shame or regret.

    She explains that since few Icelanders are religious, there is no moral stigma attached to unwed pregnancy. And her country guarantees some of the most generous parental leave in the world: nine months at 80% pay (three months for mom, three for dad and another three to be divvied up). LINK
     
    A county in South Korea, Haenam, has raised its fertility rate to 2.4, compared to the country's rate of 1.3 to 1.4.


    They hand out monthly cash allowances and deliver boxes of beef and baby clothes to families with newborns...

    After Ms. Min (a government welfare official in Haenam) gave birth to her third child last year, Haenam allowed her to take a one-and-a-half-year maternity leave...

    As part of its efforts to change the community’s attitude toward child-raising, Haenam is seeking to persuade private businesses to give female employees longer maternity leaves. It is also running a camp to teach men how to be better fathers to young children. The county runs matchmaking groups for singles, and it offers cheap loans and other incentives to attract 800 young families migrating back from cities to try farming...

    In September, Haenam became the second rural county to open a public postnatal care center. LINK
     

  65. @AnotherDad

    But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.
     
    A "plus"? In other words, you are *not* Euro-centric, but willing to sell out our ancestral homelands, because you like Asians.

    Yeah, extra funny when he also proclaims himself hardcore.

    “I’m a hardcore Orthodox Jew … Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any part of Israel.”

  66. @AKAHorace

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

     

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    I once read somewhere that George Lincoln Rockwell’s two children by his Icelandic wife both married East Asians.

  67. @Olorin

    (2) It’s pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.
     
    A projection onto all Icelandic women that says more about you than you may realize.

    Be that as it may, I have in my lifetime, much of it spent in Sweden and some of it in long periods abroad, on consideration found that Swedish women are a bit colder and more mannish than foreign (Western) women.

    To some extent this may stem from the sick culture of the last 50 years or so rather than anything inherent, but I couldn’t say. We did adopt said sick culture with alacrity.

  68. I once met an Icelander at an art show in Peking. He told me that his country was controlled by the “octopus,” by which he meant some sinister cabal of wealthy and connected Icelanders. Seeing how things have panned out over the 18 years since, either the octopus is really weak, or it’s actually a pretty nice octopus.

    On a more serious note, after seeing the picture of the recently murdered Icelandic girl, I was pretty disturbed by how much she looks like my daughter and her mother. I hope Iceland secures justice for Birna.

    • Replies: @Studley

    He told me that his country was controlled by the “octopus,” by which he meant some sinister cabal of wealthy and connected Icelanders. Seeing how things have panned out over the 18 years since, either the octopus is really weak, or it’s actually a pretty nice octopus.

     

    I think I know what he's referring to after having read a chapter on Iceland in a book. And it's much more interesting than the ludicrous Larssen's fantasies of fascist wealthy Scandinavian business serial killers.

    It's the five families.

    Apparently Iceland's economy was dominated by these families who owned most of the fishing fleet (traditional mainstay of the Icelandic economy). The economy blew up in the Global Financial Crisis in a sense because the families themselves decided to diversify from/got sick of fishing and went into banking instead. Dominating a maritime economy they were good at...banking not so much!

    I suspect due to Iceland's size (pop. 300 000) this economic domination was possible. Had an interesting conversation back late in the last millennium at a university party with a science student who came from a small country town (not in the US but in an Anglosphere country). He said that five families dominated his town i.e. owned the surrounding farms/orchards, married each other, owned the local supermarket and many of the shops etc and that the kids in school learned to mind their ps and qs when around class mates who belonged to one of these families.

    It all sounds quite implausible but then the University of Edinburgh's Medical School was dominated by five families (Hunters, Monroes etc) when Charles Darwin was a student there. http://www.ed.ac.uk/biology/about/notable-alumni/charles-darwin

    Any other modern examples, I wonder? The Godfather's Five Families of New York don't count, sorry!

    So, the Octopus of Iceland/the five families, has actually had an effect on Icelandic historiography according to this book chapter. It wasn't Norway but Denmark that Iceland was controlled by and that was looked up to (Icelandic women would be sent back to Denmark to learn culture/European mores/cooking). Thus Icelanders blame the Danes, as the colonial power, for their lack of economic progress. But the new Iceland history position is that it might not have been the Danes holding them back. It was their own five families.

  69. @Twinkie

    Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family.
     
    Lagertha, you are always so hilarious with your half-drunken nonsensical ramblings.

    The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.

    Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.

    Well, Iceland is made up of fishermen with a (now dormant) raiding hobby. Living in a very tough climate.

  70. Bryndis Björgsvindòttir will quadruple the crime rate in 2 gens max!

  71. The clanish part of the video is great – the young blond woman looks so good, the hole post is very informative and totally upbeat.
    Great and refreshing – thanks to the host!

  72. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    I don’t know about the faults, but the women are already being exchanged. Look at the intermarriage rates.

  73. @Anonymous
    While I'm hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.

    If you are willing (presumably) to flood white countries with significant numbers of Asians, how exactly are you “hardcore Eurocentric”? — maybe you meant ‘softcore Eurocentric’.

  74. Seeing the Polish percentage makes me wonder. How difficult it would be to transport additional few hundred thousand Poles to Iceland?

    This way the western world could have a demonstration how large population transfers really work and what this nation stuff is rally about. Because it looks like this was forgotten.

    As a payment for this important service Polish people would get a nice, safe place – in case Russians or Germans get insane again.

    Everybody wins! Islandia forever.

  75. @Peter Akuleyev
    Yes. Those demographics make Malmo look pretty attractive compared to Marseilles, Leeds, Duisburg, or even Brussels (and paradise compared to Detroit or Philadelphia). on the other hand Belgrad is a crime ridden hellhole compared to Stockholm, these things are relative.

    Are we sure the “Danes” in Malmo are actual Danes and not “refugees” who are shopping for more generous welfare payments?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Nah, I'm sure lots of people named Svensen in Copenhagen want to move to Malmo for the, uh, vibrancy.
  76. “Why Violent Crime Is So Rare in Iceland”

    Proximity to the Canadien border.

    Duh.

  77. @Zachary Latif
    Intriguingly I was also looking at the demographics of Iceland a couple of days ago.

    The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.

    Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.

    It's interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.

    Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.

    We don't have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..

    I think out-of-wedlock births in Iceland are the majority. Marriage rates are low. This is also part of Sweden’s problem.

  78. @Twinkie

    I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.

    When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
     
    A couple of points:

    First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.

    Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.

    It’s obvious you’ve never driven in Massachusetts.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s obvious you’ve never driven in Massachusetts.
     
    Sure have. LOTS when I was in college. I learned to drive in NYC. In general, drivers in NYC are aggressive, but competent. I found Boston drivers aggressive and incompetent, that most dangerous of combinations.

    Getting back to what I wrote earlier, I suspect the higher road fatalities rate in South Korea (vis-a-vis Japan and the United States) probably has to do with its socially accepted culture of drunk driving. There is a culture of extreme drinking among men in South Korea, especially for the Korean equivalents of sararimen.
  79. “equality was the biggest reason for the nation’s relative lack of crime.”

    Equality is easier to achieve if people are similar.

    In other news, Bloomberg is concerned about British Chickens’ welfare after Brexit.

    After Brexit Who Will Feed All These Chickens?

    Britain’s farmers rely on foreign workers to pick strawberries and raise chickens. Brexit puts that model at risk.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-01/after-brexit-who-will-feed-all-these-chickens

  80. (Re)settling Serbs & Bosnians next to each other is always smart things to do.

    Swedes really want to euthanize themselves at industrial scale.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    They're all just sacred refugees, man. Why would they fight? They were running away from violence! And now they are safe, safe to flourish.
  81. @AnotherDad

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
     
    Why should they be? While generally it's men who need to protect their women, their tribe's gene pool, from corruption, there's no reason that a woman who is part of a closed--island!--nation would not feel that her descendants' ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you're part of something like that it's a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.

    “While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption…”

    No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their “tribe’s gene pool from corruption”. I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.

  82. @Twinkie

    Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family.
     
    Lagertha, you are always so hilarious with your half-drunken nonsensical ramblings.

    The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.

    Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.

    “Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.”

    Try again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    Icelandic strength training seems rather different from other people. While others are taking their protein powders and using expensive gym equipment, the Icelanders are just lifting concrete and logs in rather basic gyms:
    https://www.vice.com/en_dk/article/ask-icelands-strongest-man-anything-you-want
    , @Twinkie

    Try again.
     
    Try again what?

    I am well-aware that Icelandic competitors are heavily represented in strongman contests and crossfit games (especially females). But given that they haven't won a single medal in an Olympic strength sport*, I'd say that the former overrepresentation is likely an artefact of concentrating in a niche sport, rather than indicative of their overall athletic superiority.

    Furthermore, muscle strength =/= toughness.

    I'd bet money that, in a real fight, a paunch-bellyed, middled aged Chetnik would beat a muscled Icelandic men, given that, you know, the said Chetnik might have actually killed a few people in the late unpleasantness in former Yugoslavia.

    *Olympic strength sports usually have weight categories. I hope I don't have to explain the implications of that.
  83. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Meant both sides, Jews tend to presume their complete and total innocence.

    To an outsider, its less black and white.

    Thats the point. We can’t reach a peace treaty if one side is unwilling to cease hostilities (or even admit it’s engaging in hostilities).

  84. res says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    On that topic, the BBC also raise this clueless hardy perennial today.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204

    "On the day that families in England and Wales are allocated secondary school places, research shows that the richest children dominate top state schools.

    Analysis of data shows 43% of pupils at England's outstanding secondaries are from the wealthiest 20% of families.

    The study from education charity Teach First also shows poorer pupils are half as likely as the richest to be heading to an outstanding secondary school."
     
    I'm using ">" as shorthand for "increased statistical likelihood of" here.

    High IQ > wealthier
    High IQ > high IQ kids
    High IQ kids > "outstanding school"
    Therefore
    Wealthier > "outstanding school"

    Two thoughts. First, maybe use -> for “increased statistical likelihood of”, > is too often used in comparisons like this to indicate “better” or “more important.”

    Second, your first point needs to be
    Wealthier -> high IQ
    for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it’s worth noting that it’s the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    Disagree with your second point, because the arrow of causation runs from "High IQ" to "Wealthier" - it's the high IQ that will tend (for a large random sample) to make one wealthier.

    (These days a billionaire with a dimwit child can amass and pass on enough wealth that dimwit great-great-great-grandchildren may still be very wealthy, when 60 years back high taxation might have levelled that out. And a century ago a high-IQ pauper child may never have had the educational opportunities which would have made him well off. In the UK the sweet spot where poor but bright would rise and rich but dim fall was probably, as for so much else, the 1955-1975 period.)

  85. @Anonymous Nephew
    A lot of wealthy young men in that corridor, especially on the Burford/Cirencester/Bath route. They know the roads, have fast cars and drive accordingly. Do you think a 19-year old David Cameron type would be a considerate driver?

    (Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)

    Agreed. Posh and peasant yob are thick on the ground there.

  86. @Corvinus
    "Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings."

    Try again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland

    Icelandic strength training seems rather different from other people. While others are taking their protein powders and using expensive gym equipment, the Icelanders are just lifting concrete and logs in rather basic gyms:
    https://www.vice.com/en_dk/article/ask-icelands-strongest-man-anything-you-want

  87. @Anonymous
    Steve,

    Off topic here, but you've got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:

    https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/836748581407178752

    they* are so ingroupist** they can’t see the double standard

    (*the ones this particular “they” applies to)

    (**side effect of surviving as a minority for so long imo)

  88. Not exactly Malmö …

    More slurs against Malmo, the alt-right capital of Europe.

    Here is a typical alt-right rally in Malmo.

    At 2.11, you can see Opinionator in a fetching hat.

  89. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    I think you’re right that it’s a cycle with fault on both sides and it needs to be stopped before the world gets blown to bits or turned into planet retard.

  90. Frankly, there is no perfect answer as to why Iceland has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.

    There are sagas written describing Icelandic violent crime in the past.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nj%C3%A1ls_saga

    So something changed – like maybe the frequency of genes associated with violence were slowly culled?

  91. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren't the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.

    HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.

    yes – minus the amount selected out over time as law and order switched from vendetta to state

    in a vendetta society every clan wants some psychos in their clan (even if they’re extremely dangerous) to fight the psychos in the other clans

    once you have state law the psychos gradually get culled

    #

    the places where you still have a lot of psychos are places where vendetta law lasted the longest or still exists e.g. Sudan, Chechnya, Sicily etc

  92. Him:

    Why should they be? While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption, there’s no reason that a woman who is part of a closed–island!–nation would not feel that her descendants’ ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you’re part of something like that it’s a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.

    You:

    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.

    Me:

    Right; you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.

    Completely relevant to the original rambling about “corruption” against “purity.”

    Either you introduced the word “purity” to the conversation, or AnotherDad introduced it to you through your tin-foil hat, or you have a very different definition of “relevant” than I do. You probably have your own definition of “rambling,” too, as his comment seemed rather concise to me.

    The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state. E.g., Mexicans’ current constitution of 10% black, 50% red, 40% white (or whatever it is, I pulled those numbers from my bum) has no impact on the question of whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Him:

    their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption
     
    "Corruption" of gene pool usually assumes that the said gene pool was "pure" to begin with.

    The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state.
     
    That's exactly the point. "The current state" as such should not be idealized. In a given population, unless it is hermetically-sealed from the rest of the world, there will always be some shifts in percentages of hybridization, especially given that the population in question was developed through multiple hybridization pulses.

    whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.
     
    Indeed, the crux of the matter should be about the size/scale of the said hybridization, the relative genetic and cultural compatibility of the incoming population groups, etc. Racial or tribal "purity" shouldn't be the main reason put forth, given that the "tribe" as such isn't pure to begin with.

    Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be along the lines of protecting our American workers and their livelihood, preserving our (Anglo-) American civic traditions and culture, including traditional Christianity, etc. And of course, I would also agree that dramatically altering the racial makeup of the country is a terrible idea (I'd like the U.S. to continue to be a white super-majority country), but that's not due to any sense of "corruption" of the gene pool, as if that pool were some sort of a pure relic in danger of becoming hybridized. Hybridizations have occurred already - in Europe, long before white men set their eyes upon this continent.
  93. No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their “tribe’s gene pool from corruption”. I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.

    As long as people are on the hook for supporting others via taxes, people’s life choices will be the taxpayers’ business.

    People have the right to form communities. As such, they have the right to decide how their communities are constituted. Sort of like how Jews do things in Israel.

  94. @Zachary Latif
    Intriguingly I was also looking at the demographics of Iceland a couple of days ago.

    The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.

    Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.

    It's interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.

    Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.

    We don't have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..

    Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.

    No, low fertility rates do not resolve themselves. Socialist government intervention is needed in the form of paid parental leave, low-cost high-quality daycare, and other financial subsidies. Women in Iceland can be staunch feminists because they know the government will help them raise their children. In Iceland, 67% of the children are born out of wedlock.

    Bryndis has three kids with two partners and not a drop of shame or regret.

    She explains that since few Icelanders are religious, there is no moral stigma attached to unwed pregnancy. And her country guarantees some of the most generous parental leave in the world: nine months at 80% pay (three months for mom, three for dad and another three to be divvied up). LINK

    A county in South Korea, Haenam, has raised its fertility rate to 2.4, compared to the country’s rate of 1.3 to 1.4.

    They hand out monthly cash allowances and deliver boxes of beef and baby clothes to families with newborns…

    After Ms. Min (a government welfare official in Haenam) gave birth to her third child last year, Haenam allowed her to take a one-and-a-half-year maternity leave…

    As part of its efforts to change the community’s attitude toward child-raising, Haenam is seeking to persuade private businesses to give female employees longer maternity leaves. It is also running a camp to teach men how to be better fathers to young children. The county runs matchmaking groups for singles, and it offers cheap loans and other incentives to attract 800 young families migrating back from cities to try farming…

    In September, Haenam became the second rural county to open a public postnatal care center. LINK

  95. No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their “tribe’s gene pool from corruption”. I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.

    What’s funny about this is that you are opposing AD’s “coercion” and “shaming” against racemixing, a position that you have to seek out in remote pockets of the internet like iSteve or other race-realist sites.

    But the coercion and shaming against people* who rule out racemixing for themselves that spews out of Big Media and Hollywood, Academia, the political establishment, organized religion – from every minaret, essentially – 24/7/365, that’s hunkey-dorey.

    *The White (but not Jewish) ones, anyway.

    Speaking of Jews, what do you have to say about the “Silent Holocaust“? Is that shaming and coercion you can get behind, too?

  96. @Twinkie

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
     
    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were - as with other tribal raiders - cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.

    The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.

    The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.

    The Anglo-Celts and Anglo-Normans and Anglo-Saxons in the South are just as potentially violent as they ever were in Northwest Europe and/or Britain. They have used exaggerated politeness and manners to reduce the bloodshed. Everybody knows why they lay it on so thick down there. It helps to keep things reasonably civil without descending into violence over every damn thing.

    The Southern use of manners in dealing with Blacks is also a way to keep the peace between racial groups while keeping your distance from them. Hillary Clinton, Obama and George W. Bush just go out of their way to avoid Blacks. That is their method of dealing with Blacks.

  97. @kaganovitch
    Are we sure the "Danes" in Malmo are actual Danes and not "refugees" who are shopping for more generous welfare payments?

    Nah, I’m sure lots of people named Svensen in Copenhagen want to move to Malmo for the, uh, vibrancy.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    There actually are a reasonable number of people who live in Malmö (or its surroundings) and commute to Copenhagen over the Öresund bridge. Vibrancy is of course a great bonus, let's not forget that, but apparently cost of living is what fuels this.
  98. No blacks and/or Muslims. The amount of crime and violence is directly related to the number of blacks in any area.

  99. @res
    Two thoughts. First, maybe use -> for “increased statistical likelihood of”, > is too often used in comparisons like this to indicate "better" or "more important."

    Second, your first point needs to be
    Wealthier -> high IQ
    for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it's worth noting that it's the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.

    Disagree with your second point, because the arrow of causation runs from “High IQ” to “Wealthier” – it’s the high IQ that will tend (for a large random sample) to make one wealthier.

    (These days a billionaire with a dimwit child can amass and pass on enough wealth that dimwit great-great-great-grandchildren may still be very wealthy, when 60 years back high taxation might have levelled that out. And a century ago a high-IQ pauper child may never have had the educational opportunities which would have made him well off. In the UK the sweet spot where poor but bright would rise and rich but dim fall was probably, as for so much else, the 1955-1975 period.)

    • Replies: @res
    It sounds like we agree on the underlying reality, but have trouble with the words we are each using to express it.

    What I was trying to say is you can't conclude Wealthier causes outstanding school (using the three premises) because wealthier does not cause high IQ (at least not to the degree the other direction applies) even though I think the other two premises work as causal. I agree about high IQ tending to cause wealthier.
  100. @Bill P
    I once met an Icelander at an art show in Peking. He told me that his country was controlled by the "octopus," by which he meant some sinister cabal of wealthy and connected Icelanders. Seeing how things have panned out over the 18 years since, either the octopus is really weak, or it's actually a pretty nice octopus.

    On a more serious note, after seeing the picture of the recently murdered Icelandic girl, I was pretty disturbed by how much she looks like my daughter and her mother. I hope Iceland secures justice for Birna.

    He told me that his country was controlled by the “octopus,” by which he meant some sinister cabal of wealthy and connected Icelanders. Seeing how things have panned out over the 18 years since, either the octopus is really weak, or it’s actually a pretty nice octopus.

    I think I know what he’s referring to after having read a chapter on Iceland in a book. And it’s much more interesting than the ludicrous Larssen’s fantasies of fascist wealthy Scandinavian business serial killers.

    It’s the five families.

    Apparently Iceland’s economy was dominated by these families who owned most of the fishing fleet (traditional mainstay of the Icelandic economy). The economy blew up in the Global Financial Crisis in a sense because the families themselves decided to diversify from/got sick of fishing and went into banking instead. Dominating a maritime economy they were good at…banking not so much!

    I suspect due to Iceland’s size (pop. 300 000) this economic domination was possible. Had an interesting conversation back late in the last millennium at a university party with a science student who came from a small country town (not in the US but in an Anglosphere country). He said that five families dominated his town i.e. owned the surrounding farms/orchards, married each other, owned the local supermarket and many of the shops etc and that the kids in school learned to mind their ps and qs when around class mates who belonged to one of these families.

    It all sounds quite implausible but then the University of Edinburgh’s Medical School was dominated by five families (Hunters, Monroes etc) when Charles Darwin was a student there. http://www.ed.ac.uk/biology/about/notable-alumni/charles-darwin

    Any other modern examples, I wonder? The Godfather’s Five Families of New York don’t count, sorry!

    So, the Octopus of Iceland/the five families, has actually had an effect on Icelandic historiography according to this book chapter. It wasn’t Norway but Denmark that Iceland was controlled by and that was looked up to (Icelandic women would be sent back to Denmark to learn culture/European mores/cooking). Thus Icelanders blame the Danes, as the colonial power, for their lack of economic progress. But the new Iceland history position is that it might not have been the Danes holding them back. It was their own five families.

  101. It’s generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate

    Source? This seems to be the common, but erroneous, conflation of hybridization and hybrid vigor.

  102. @Twinkie

    While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption
     
    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of "corruption" from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.

    I think most Europeans understand that. A glance at a map shows that Europe is en-route from Africa to the far East. But that is largely irrelevant. I don’t want White women breeding with negroes because they are stupid and violent (because of their DNA), and I don’t want White women breeding with muslims because they are not very bright and they are violent (because of their religion).
    .
    I’m one quarter asian Indian. My Grandfather was a “Kshatriya” and a right violent bastard. There have been numerous times when I have felt the “red mist” rising myself – but my English part can control it. A lot of blacks and hispanics can’t control it – and our current society isn’t giving them much incentive to try.
    .
    A hundred labradors in a dog park would probably get along. If you put five pit bulls in with the labradors, everything will be fine until something sets one of the pit bulls off – then there will be carnage. I want to live in a society of well-adjusted, happy labradors – I don’t want to live in a society that is reduced to carnage.

  103. @AKAHorace

    those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia,

     

    A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.

    They’re all at it. Here’s some Norwegian fellas.

    Swedes go for actual Chinese (mainland or Formosan), for some reason.

  104. @Steve Sailer
    Some of the worst, most hostile driving I've ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.

    Not surprising. Jane Austen herself was a bit of a “hot shoe” – so much so that writers of “Jane Austen Fan Fiction” have coined a term: DFCA (Dreaded Freak Carriage Accident), referring to a commonly used plot twist.
    http://austenauthors.net/the-dreaded-freak-carriage-accident/

  105. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn't there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.

    Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).

    Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.

    have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women

    OMG I just realised you meant literal tit-for-tat
    (.. thinks for exactly twelve seconds about the nice Jewish guy across the landing’s demoness ..) Wew, no way, that’s a non-starter. I’d rather keep wolverines. And polecats. Together, with badgers for referees.

  106. @bomag
    From the linked article:

    Frankly, there is no perfect answer as to why Iceland has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.
     
    Why so much crime in Chicago? Why so little crime in Iceland? I just don't know! I'm a good person for not knowing!

    The discordance here is absolutely cosmic.

    Lack of volcanic activity in IL. Simples. Needs more lava in da hood.
    Although having to listen to B’joerrrrkk! for an entire Arctic night would probably push the homicide/suicide rates up some.

  107. @Nigerian Nationalist
    " In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication."

    Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.

    Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.

    There:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY

    Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.

    I’m curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.
     
    C'mon now! Everyone can see that Nigerians have the same level of civic orderliness as South Koreans. What are you, some sort of a racist or something?
  108. @Twinkie

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
     
    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were - as with other tribal raiders - cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.

    The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.

    The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.

    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples.

    If you read Heimskringla –the sagas of the Norse kings, it’s amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols –from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    If you read Heimskringla –the sagas of the Norse kings, it’s amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols –from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.
     
    Yes, tribal cultures, especially those that existed on border areas between civilization and true wasteland were usually very violent. At the same time, they often had the technology and the numbers to threaten civilized areas in ways that the inhabitants of the true wastelands (or deserts or deep forests, what have you) could not.
  109. @Twinkie

    Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
     
    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were - as with other tribal raiders - cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.

    The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.

    The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.

    One of the scariest psychos in the Sagas was by-named ‘Killer-Hrapp’. Because he was called Hrapp, and liked killing. A whole lot, even by viking standards. He’d even contrived to utterly desecrate (loot, then torch) a pagan temple over in Norge.
    Even dead he continued his zombie depredations on his quailing true-norse (ex)neighbours, from his buried-standing-up-under-the threshold afterlife. Stout fellow. He’d been killed at least twice previously while still fully human, then was finally exhumed and cremated at sea. Even Vikings have limits for that sort of high-jinks.

    He was a Hebridean, most probably the same sort of character that the Christian Irish knew as Gall-ghaidhil, and thus the very model of a vicious half-insane barbarian, to the fastidious Icelandic gentlemen.

  110. @Corvinus
    "Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings."

    Try again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland

    Try again.

    Try again what?

    I am well-aware that Icelandic competitors are heavily represented in strongman contests and crossfit games (especially females). But given that they haven’t won a single medal in an Olympic strength sport*, I’d say that the former overrepresentation is likely an artefact of concentrating in a niche sport, rather than indicative of their overall athletic superiority.

    Furthermore, muscle strength =/= toughness.

    I’d bet money that, in a real fight, a paunch-bellyed, middled aged Chetnik would beat a muscled Icelandic men, given that, you know, the said Chetnik might have actually killed a few people in the late unpleasantness in former Yugoslavia.

    *Olympic strength sports usually have weight categories. I hope I don’t have to explain the implications of that.

  111. @Jus' Sayin'...
    It's obvious you've never driven in Massachusetts.

    It’s obvious you’ve never driven in Massachusetts.

    Sure have. LOTS when I was in college. I learned to drive in NYC. In general, drivers in NYC are aggressive, but competent. I found Boston drivers aggressive and incompetent, that most dangerous of combinations.

    Getting back to what I wrote earlier, I suspect the higher road fatalities rate in South Korea (vis-a-vis Japan and the United States) probably has to do with its socially accepted culture of drunk driving. There is a culture of extreme drinking among men in South Korea, especially for the Korean equivalents of sararimen.

  112. @IBC

    The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples.
     
    If you read Heimskringla --the sagas of the Norse kings, it's amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols --from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.

    If you read Heimskringla –the sagas of the Norse kings, it’s amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols –from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.

    Yes, tribal cultures, especially those that existed on border areas between civilization and true wasteland were usually very violent. At the same time, they often had the technology and the numbers to threaten civilized areas in ways that the inhabitants of the true wastelands (or deserts or deep forests, what have you) could not.

  113. @Nigerian Nationalist
    You actually shifted the goalposts.

    You're showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???

    It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.

    Call it a Pavlovian reaction.

    I'm anticipating yet another goal shift.

    You actually shifted the goalposts.

    Apparently for some blacks, being asked to behave in the same manner as other (civilized) peoples is “shifting the goalposts.”

    You’re showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule

    That’s just an excuse, and a bad one at that. And your own ignorance is splendidly transparent, for that matter. South Korea – for the majority of its existence as a modern nation-state – was ruled by dictators. Indeed between 1960 and 1998, it was ruled by generals, often under martial law. But even during the tumultous street battles between student demonstrators and the riot police, the combatants would cease fighting and make way (temporarily) when women and children crossed the boulevards.

    What you don’t seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in “self-help” mode – to get themselves somewhere quickly.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see the several drivers who left their cars to help clear the traffic.

    Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.

    Its tiring.
  114. @Svigor
    Him:

    Why should they be? While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption, there’s no reason that a woman who is part of a closed–island!–nation would not feel that her descendants’ ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you’re part of something like that it’s a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.
     
    You:

    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.
     
    Me:

    Right; you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.
     

    Completely relevant to the original rambling about “corruption” against “purity.”
     
    Either you introduced the word "purity" to the conversation, or AnotherDad introduced it to you through your tin-foil hat, or you have a very different definition of "relevant" than I do. You probably have your own definition of "rambling," too, as his comment seemed rather concise to me.

    The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state. E.g., Mexicans' current constitution of 10% black, 50% red, 40% white (or whatever it is, I pulled those numbers from my bum) has no impact on the question of whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.

    Him:

    their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption

    “Corruption” of gene pool usually assumes that the said gene pool was “pure” to begin with.

    The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state.

    That’s exactly the point. “The current state” as such should not be idealized. In a given population, unless it is hermetically-sealed from the rest of the world, there will always be some shifts in percentages of hybridization, especially given that the population in question was developed through multiple hybridization pulses.

    whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.

    Indeed, the crux of the matter should be about the size/scale of the said hybridization, the relative genetic and cultural compatibility of the incoming population groups, etc. Racial or tribal “purity” shouldn’t be the main reason put forth, given that the “tribe” as such isn’t pure to begin with.

    Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be along the lines of protecting our American workers and their livelihood, preserving our (Anglo-) American civic traditions and culture, including traditional Christianity, etc. And of course, I would also agree that dramatically altering the racial makeup of the country is a terrible idea (I’d like the U.S. to continue to be a white super-majority country), but that’s not due to any sense of “corruption” of the gene pool, as if that pool were some sort of a pure relic in danger of becoming hybridized. Hybridizations have occurred already – in Europe, long before white men set their eyes upon this continent.

  115. @Little Tripoli
    Also, it's really small. It's always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it's an important data point just because it's sovereign.

    Cape Verde is a decent comparison.

    Decent comparison? The murder rate in Cape Verde is about 35 times higher. Guess what is the majority race in that place?

  116. @Anonymous
    While I'm hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.

    Hate to break this to you sport, but you are ANYTHING BUT a “hard-core Eurocentric”.

  117. @prosa123
    So for all the panic about Malmo, many of its immigrants are from other European countries. And I'll bet that a good chunk of the Iraqis are Christian refugees and therefore unlikely to be troublesome.

    Not so fast! They MAY be from other European countries, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are native Europeans. They could be Muslims, etc., living in Denmark who moved on to Sweden, rather then native ethnic Danes..

  118. @Twinkie

    While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption
     
    I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of "corruption" from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.

    Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.

    You definitely have some kind of agenda here sport.

  119. @Twinkie

    You actually shifted the goalposts.
     
    Apparently for some blacks, being asked to behave in the same manner as other (civilized) peoples is "shifting the goalposts."

    You’re showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule
     
    That's just an excuse, and a bad one at that. And your own ignorance is splendidly transparent, for that matter. South Korea - for the majority of its existence as a modern nation-state - was ruled by dictators. Indeed between 1960 and 1998, it was ruled by generals, often under martial law. But even during the tumultous street battles between student demonstrators and the riot police, the combatants would cease fighting and make way (temporarily) when women and children crossed the boulevards.

    What you don't seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in "self-help" mode - to get themselves somewhere quickly.

    You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see the several drivers who left their cars to help clear the traffic.

    Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.

    Its tiring.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Its tiring.
     
    You are right. I was wrong. Nigerians and Koreans are the same.

    You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see
     
    You are right. I need to punish my eyes for not seeing that the two videos are identical and display the very same level of civic-mindedness and regard for others.

    Now I can see clearly that in the Lagos videos, the drivers are spontaneously parting ways like Moses parting the Red Sea, so that emergency vehicles can arrive at the accident scene rapidly.
  120. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Between the ethnic champions trying to drag us down into bickering clans and the Pan-Africans/"global citizens" content with leaving us the world's charity basket, while feathering their nests off it, its tougher than I make it seem.

    From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.

    Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.

    European ‘barbarian’ groups from the north and east (ultimately from the Western Steppe) periodically renew European civilizations when they become decadent. This pattern has gone on for over 3,000 years.

    Arminius is sometimes associated with the greatest hero of Germanic legend, Siegfried. You might personally have a few of his qualities, but your people as a whole have nothing to offer us by way of renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    ... renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.
     
    Who brought agriculture to Europe?
  121. Why is this even a discussion? What? I just came back from a 7 day ride, touring, staying at lodges with excellent food..and we came across no one..no cars. What????

  122. @Nigerian Nationalist
    You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see the several drivers who left their cars to help clear the traffic.

    Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.

    Its tiring.

    Its tiring.

    You are right. I was wrong. Nigerians and Koreans are the same.

    You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see

    You are right. I need to punish my eyes for not seeing that the two videos are identical and display the very same level of civic-mindedness and regard for others.

    Now I can see clearly that in the Lagos videos, the drivers are spontaneously parting ways like Moses parting the Red Sea, so that emergency vehicles can arrive at the accident scene rapidly.

  123. @Floyd R Turbo
    I'm curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.

    I’m curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.

    C’mon now! Everyone can see that Nigerians have the same level of civic orderliness as South Koreans. What are you, some sort of a racist or something?

  124. @Jack Highlands
    European 'barbarian' groups from the north and east (ultimately from the Western Steppe) periodically renew European civilizations when they become decadent. This pattern has gone on for over 3,000 years.

    Arminius is sometimes associated with the greatest hero of Germanic legend, Siegfried. You might personally have a few of his qualities, but your people as a whole have nothing to offer us by way of renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.

    … renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.

    Who brought agriculture to Europe?

  125. @bored identity
    (Re)settling Serbs & Bosnians next to each other is always smart things to do.

    Swedes really want to euthanize themselves at industrial scale.

    They’re all just sacred refugees, man. Why would they fight? They were running away from violence! And now they are safe, safe to flourish.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    Nah, I'm sure lots of people named Svensen in Copenhagen want to move to Malmo for the, uh, vibrancy.

    There actually are a reasonable number of people who live in Malmö (or its surroundings) and commute to Copenhagen over the Öresund bridge. Vibrancy is of course a great bonus, let’s not forget that, but apparently cost of living is what fuels this.

  127. “Corruption” of gene pool usually assumes that the said gene pool was “pure” to begin with.

    No, it doesn’t (any more than a “corrupted” politician or political process is assumed to have been “pure” beforehand):

    https://corruption.askdefine.com/

    1 lack of integrity or honesty (especially susceptibility to bribery); use of a position of trust for dishonest gain [syn: corruptness] [ant: incorruptness]
    2 in a state of progressive putrefaction [syn: putrescence, putridness, rottenness]
    3 decay of matter (as by rot or oxidation)
    4 moral perversion; impairment of virtue and moral principles; “the luxury and corruption among the upper classes”; “moral degeneracy followed intellectual degeneration”; “its brothels; its opium parlors; its depravity” [syn: degeneracy, depravity]
    5 destroying someone’s (or some group’s) honesty or loyalty; undermining moral integrity; “corruption of a minor”; “the big city’s subversion of rural innocence” [syn: subversion]
    6 inducement (as of a public official) by improper means (as bribery) to violate duty (as by commiting a felony); “he was held on charges of corruption and racketeering”

    “Integrity” appears several times, but “purity” does not.

    That’s exactly the point. “The current state” as such should not be idealized. In a given population, unless it is hermetically-sealed from the rest of the world, there will always be some shifts in percentages of hybridization, especially given that the population in question was developed through multiple hybridization pulses.

    You seem to be fighting a straw man.

    Indeed, the crux of the matter should be about the size/scale of the said hybridization, the relative genetic and cultural compatibility of the incoming population groups, etc. Racial or tribal “purity” shouldn’t be the main reason put forth, given that the “tribe” as such isn’t pure to begin with.

    Still at it? Seems like a mental tic.

    Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be

    I say let a thousand flowers bloom.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I say let a thousand flowers bloom.
     
    Like soil (or a country, for that matter), the public consciousness can only support a limited number of "plants" (i.e. ideas, in this case). Do you want the latter to perceive HBDers and immigration restrictionists in the mold of Richard Spencer or our host, Steven Sailer?

    At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer's cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism... so that they vote the way we do.
  128. Besides, “purity” in this context doesn’t mean what you seem to think, either. Establish a range of ancestry for Mexicans; a Mexican who falls within that range is a “pure” Mexican. A country composed of 100% mulattos is pure mulatto.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Besides, “purity” in this context doesn’t mean what you seem to think, either. Establish a range of ancestry for Mexicans; a Mexican who falls within that range is a “pure” Mexican. A country composed of 100% mulattos is pure mulatto.
     
    You are trying so hard to win an argument rather than come to some understanding that you just invented a new oxymoron - "pure mulatto." No such creature, I am afraid.

    Understand, I realize you are using it rhetorically. But when someone invokes "purity" in the context of a "gene pool," he is not using the term rhetorically.

    Look, let's not beat around the bush. You and I both know that there is a subset (who knows how large?) of people who purport to subscribe to HBDism who are actually scientifically very ignorant and who, despite the clear genetic evidences, continue to propagate the idea that whites/Europeans are some sort of a pure ("uncorrupted") relic that is being assailed by the blood corrupting influences of the darker peoples (many such people are Nordicists, for lack of a better term). Not only is that line of reasoning scientifically incorrect, it also tends to produce rhetoric that is deeply unattractive to those in polite society who might otherwise harbor some sympathies for HBDism.
  129. res says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    Disagree with your second point, because the arrow of causation runs from "High IQ" to "Wealthier" - it's the high IQ that will tend (for a large random sample) to make one wealthier.

    (These days a billionaire with a dimwit child can amass and pass on enough wealth that dimwit great-great-great-grandchildren may still be very wealthy, when 60 years back high taxation might have levelled that out. And a century ago a high-IQ pauper child may never have had the educational opportunities which would have made him well off. In the UK the sweet spot where poor but bright would rise and rich but dim fall was probably, as for so much else, the 1955-1975 period.)

    It sounds like we agree on the underlying reality, but have trouble with the words we are each using to express it.

    What I was trying to say is you can’t conclude Wealthier causes outstanding school (using the three premises) because wealthier does not cause high IQ (at least not to the degree the other direction applies) even though I think the other two premises work as causal. I agree about high IQ tending to cause wealthier.

  130. Oh, and that soccer chant in the video heading this post? About as viking as shortbread petticoat tails. Looted from Scotland, as usual.

    “Fans of Stjarnan – a Reykjavik-based side who play in the country’s highest league – fell in love with the chant during a trip to Motherwell in 2014,” explains the Daily Mail.
    “The mighty chant, which has no Viking origin, has apparently been performed on the terraces at Fir Park, in North Lanarkshire, for years.”
    The slow handclap is part of Motherwell’s own take on the well-known terrace chant, When I Was Young, but it so impressed the travelling Icelandic fans that they adopted it and it quickly became popular with the national side.

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/74029/iceland-chant-seismic-euro-2016-war-cry-comes-from-scotland

  131. @Svigor

    “Corruption” of gene pool usually assumes that the said gene pool was “pure” to begin with.
     
    No, it doesn't (any more than a "corrupted" politician or political process is assumed to have been "pure" beforehand):

    https://corruption.askdefine.com/

    1 lack of integrity or honesty (especially susceptibility to bribery); use of a position of trust for dishonest gain [syn: corruptness] [ant: incorruptness]
    2 in a state of progressive putrefaction [syn: putrescence, putridness, rottenness]
    3 decay of matter (as by rot or oxidation)
    4 moral perversion; impairment of virtue and moral principles; "the luxury and corruption among the upper classes"; "moral degeneracy followed intellectual degeneration"; "its brothels; its opium parlors; its depravity" [syn: degeneracy, depravity]
    5 destroying someone's (or some group's) honesty or loyalty; undermining moral integrity; "corruption of a minor"; "the big city's subversion of rural innocence" [syn: subversion]
    6 inducement (as of a public official) by improper means (as bribery) to violate duty (as by commiting a felony); "he was held on charges of corruption and racketeering"
     
    "Integrity" appears several times, but "purity" does not.

    That’s exactly the point. “The current state” as such should not be idealized. In a given population, unless it is hermetically-sealed from the rest of the world, there will always be some shifts in percentages of hybridization, especially given that the population in question was developed through multiple hybridization pulses.
     
    You seem to be fighting a straw man.

    Indeed, the crux of the matter should be about the size/scale of the said hybridization, the relative genetic and cultural compatibility of the incoming population groups, etc. Racial or tribal “purity” shouldn’t be the main reason put forth, given that the “tribe” as such isn’t pure to begin with.
     
    Still at it? Seems like a mental tic.

    Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be
     
    I say let a thousand flowers bloom.

    I say let a thousand flowers bloom.

    Like soil (or a country, for that matter), the public consciousness can only support a limited number of “plants” (i.e. ideas, in this case). Do you want the latter to perceive HBDers and immigration restrictionists in the mold of Richard Spencer or our host, Steven Sailer?

    At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer’s cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism… so that they vote the way we do.

    • Replies: @JSM
    Pffft. We've been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.
  132. @Svigor
    Besides, "purity" in this context doesn't mean what you seem to think, either. Establish a range of ancestry for Mexicans; a Mexican who falls within that range is a "pure" Mexican. A country composed of 100% mulattos is pure mulatto.

    Besides, “purity” in this context doesn’t mean what you seem to think, either. Establish a range of ancestry for Mexicans; a Mexican who falls within that range is a “pure” Mexican. A country composed of 100% mulattos is pure mulatto.

    You are trying so hard to win an argument rather than come to some understanding that you just invented a new oxymoron – “pure mulatto.” No such creature, I am afraid.

    Understand, I realize you are using it rhetorically. But when someone invokes “purity” in the context of a “gene pool,” he is not using the term rhetorically.

    Look, let’s not beat around the bush. You and I both know that there is a subset (who knows how large?) of people who purport to subscribe to HBDism who are actually scientifically very ignorant and who, despite the clear genetic evidences, continue to propagate the idea that whites/Europeans are some sort of a pure (“uncorrupted”) relic that is being assailed by the blood corrupting influences of the darker peoples (many such people are Nordicists, for lack of a better term). Not only is that line of reasoning scientifically incorrect, it also tends to produce rhetoric that is deeply unattractive to those in polite society who might otherwise harbor some sympathies for HBDism.

  133. @attilathehen
    Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.

    “Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.”

    Most Cape Verdeans are Mulattos. Genetic DNA studies say they on average are almost a 50/50 mix of European and African. If you google image search Cape Verdeans you will see it’s obvious in their phenotypes.

  134. @Twinkie

    I say let a thousand flowers bloom.
     
    Like soil (or a country, for that matter), the public consciousness can only support a limited number of "plants" (i.e. ideas, in this case). Do you want the latter to perceive HBDers and immigration restrictionists in the mold of Richard Spencer or our host, Steven Sailer?

    At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer's cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism... so that they vote the way we do.

    Pffft. We’ve been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Pffft. We’ve been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.
     
    Do you think Trump's views and rhetoric on race and immigration are similar to Richard Spencer's or Steve Sailer's?

    In other words, do you think the president's views are white supremacist/nationalist or citizenist?

    Furthermore, do you think that he'd have won the election if he had sounded like Richard Spencer?
  135. @JSM
    Pffft. We've been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.

    Pffft. We’ve been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.

    Do you think Trump’s views and rhetoric on race and immigration are similar to Richard Spencer’s or Steve Sailer’s?

    In other words, do you think the president’s views are white supremacist/nationalist or citizenist?

    Furthermore, do you think that he’d have won the election if he had sounded like Richard Spencer?

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