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From the BBC:
Why violent crime is so rare in Iceland
3 December 2013
Blue-eyedness? Hard to make an OJ-style run for the border? It’s full of Icelanders?
Here’s Wikipedia’s demographics table:
| Country | Population | % |
|---|---|---|
| Iceland | 302,927 | 93.02% |
| Poland | 10,224 | 3.14% |
| Lithuania | 1,659 | 0.51% |
| Denmark | 915 | 0.28% |
| Germany | 910 | 0.28% |
| Latvia | 696 | 0.21% |
| United Kingdom | 614 | 0.19% |
| United States | 607 | 0.19% |
| Philippines | 558 | 0.17% |
| Thailand | 531 | 0.16% |
| Portugal | 527 | 0.16% |
| Spain | 325 | 0.10% |
| Sweden | 315 | 0.10% |
| France | 301 | 0.09% |
| Norway | 253 | 0.08% |
| Romania | 231 | 0.07% |
| Vietnam | 230 | 0.07% |
| China | 217 | 0.07% |
| Italy | 194 | 0.06% |
| Slovakia | 189 | 0.06% |
| Czech Republic | 156 | 0.05% |
| Hungary | 155 | 0.05% |
| Ukraine | 151 | 0.05% |
| Russia | 148 | 0.05% |
| Netherlands | 147 | 0.05% |
| Canada | 135 | 0.04% |
| stateless | 128 | 0.04% |
| Bulgaria | 112 | 0.03% |
| Finland | 108 | 0.03% |
| India | 101 | 0.03% |
| others | 1,907 | 0.59% |
| Total | 325,671 | 100.00% |
| Total (excluding Icelanders) | 22,744 | 6.98% |
Not exactly Malmö …
None of the 28 itemized source countries are majority black or majority Muslim.
By way of contrast, here’s Malmö’s demographics from Wikipedia:
On 27 April 2011, the population of Malmö reached the 300,000 mark.[22]
Circa 43% of the population have a foreign background (135,509 residents); 31% was born abroad (99,788) and another 11% was Swedish-born (35,721), with foreign-born parents. The Middle East, Horn of Africa, former Yugoslavia and Denmark are the main sources of immigration.
As of 2015, Malmö had the fourth-highest proportion of foreign-born residents of any municipality in Sweden. In addition to these figures, 14% of the population are foreign nationals.
In 2011, the 10 largest groups of immigrants were born in Iraq (9,940), Denmark (8,972), Serbia (8,426), Bosnia and Herzegovina (5,969), Lebanon (3,780), Iran (3,375), Poland (3,053), Turkey (2,110), Hungary (2,038) and Romania (2,014). The 5 largest groups in 2014 were:
Iraq (11,003)
Serbia (8,179)
Denmark (7,916)
Poland (7,103)
Bosnia and Herzegovina (6,223)
Also, it’s really small. It’s always aggravating that reporters go to a Nordic suburb of 300,000 people and treat it like it’s an important data point just because it’s sovereign.
Cape Verde is a decent comparison.
Iceland - murder rate per 100,000 population - 0.3
Steve,
Off topic here, but you’ve got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
(*the ones this particular "they" applies to)
(**side effect of surviving as a minority for so long imo)
Wonder where those stateless people are from, and if they washed ashore. Surprised to see so many from SE Asia, although there are some fisheries and cannery jobs that could lure them in.
If there are any Muslims in that group it would possibly be from India.
Steve,
There are none so blind as those who will not see!
Your chart says ‘as of 1 January 2014′
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/iceland-refugee-population-helps-yield-diversity-economic-growth/
That would be ’24 August 2016’
Not exactly Malmo. Not exactly yet.
Cape Verde is a decent comparison.
They are the same reporters who go to Finland and Japan to figure out how US schools can raise the test scores of blacks and Hispanics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204I'm using ">" as shorthand for "increased statistical likelihood of" here.
High IQ > wealthier
High IQ > high IQ kids
High IQ kids > "outstanding school"
Therefore
Wealthier > "outstanding school"
Iceland graciously took in a stateless Bobby Fischer.
http://www.statelessness.eu/blog/stateless-persons-iceland-rarer-northern-lights
This article has demographic info on stateless people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness
Based on it and the other Iceland demographics, I bet many of the 124 stateless are Baltic Russians.
“None of the 28 itemized source countries are majority black or majority Muslim”
Well not yet, anyway.
I just saw this on my Facebook feed. I’m thinking this is another benefit of living in a homogenous nation.
When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.
Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don't know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam
https://youtu.be/iKhsPO6yYko?t=4s
A data point of one but, I talked to an Icelander who was married to a Thai and he told me that many Icelandic men marry Asian women. He said that Icelandic women were not always accepting of this.
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/thaifjord
Swedes go for actual Chinese (mainland or Formosan), for some reason.
While I’m hardcore Eurocentric, the only non-Christian group I find no objection bringing in is Asians. Preferably Christian and preferably NE Asian. But even Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any European country.
If they mean in the absolute sense, perhaps partly because people are relatively rare in Iceland: The Population density of Iceland is 3.08 (capita per square kilometer) with a global rank of 209.
http://grapevine.is/news/2013/11/12/couples-of-mixed-background-six-percent-of-nation/
Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.
Off topic here, but you've got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/836748581407178752
Not to be pedantic, or anti-semitic, but isn’t there a tit-for-tat relationship in these things. Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists (ironic in present context), Christians got powerful, maltreated Jews. Muslims came and Jews were often collaborators in the Muslim c0nquests, that in turn led to their expulsion.
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y’all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.Also, we don't see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don't believe there were really enough "Christians" even existing to kvetch about, until what's-his-name's Byzantine-Emperor's mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem downYou guys really weren't very important yet - you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren't about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted....PS: I think the "stateless" are Rohingya
Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.
(.. thinks for exactly twelve seconds about the nice Jewish guy across the landing's demoness ..) Wew, no way, that's a non-starter. I'd rather keep wolverines. And polecats. Together, with badgers for referees.
From the linked article:
Why so much crime in Chicago? Why so little crime in Iceland? I just don’t know! I’m a good person for not knowing!
The discordance here is absolutely cosmic.
Although having to listen to B'joerrrrkk! for an entire Arctic night would probably push the homicide/suicide rates up some.
Cape Verde is a decent comparison.
Cape Verde – murder rate per 100,000 population – 10.6
Iceland – murder rate per 100,000 population – 0.3
Why should they be? While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption, there’s no reason that a woman who is part of a closed–island!–nation would not feel that her descendants’ ownership of the nation was being sold out by men dragging in foreign, especially ethnically foreign women. Not to mention the immediate sexual competition angle. If you’re part of something like that it’s a tight joint project and cheaters are traitors.
Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.
No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their "tribe's gene pool from corruption". I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.
A “plus”? In other words, you are *not* Euro-centric, but willing to sell out our ancestral homelands, because you like Asians.
"I'm a hardcore Orthodox Jew ... Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any part of Israel."
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
We admitted all fault; we gave away all our women; we gave away our country; and all we got is more boot coming down on our face.
To an outsider, its less black and white.
So for all the panic about Malmo, many of its immigrants are from other European countries. And I’ll bet that a good chunk of the Iraqis are Christian refugees and therefore unlikely to be troublesome.
Good. Anonymous suffers from “Derbyshire Derangement Syndrome.” John Derbyshire and his Chinese wife and offspring (the mother and daughter were Obama voters). Many of these 1/2 Asians just go on to marry other Asians or blacks (very common in the USA). More than 75% of Asians voted for Obama. Iceland should put a stop to these Asian marriages.
With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, "pure" Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as "white" in the U.S.!
Most - likely a vast majority of - part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/22/24F3C57B00000578-0-image-a-20_1421963207294.jpg - is the norm, not the exception.Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the "white party" (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).
Cape Verde is a decent comparison.
Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.
Most Cape Verdeans are Mulattos. Genetic DNA studies say they on average are almost a 50/50 mix of European and African. If you google image search Cape Verdeans you will see it's obvious in their phenotypes.
No doubt the dream of a scheming few.
On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you think the involved parties score in ability to honestly admit fault?
Icelandic men who married Asian women experienced prejudice, she said, in that many looked at these men as being not good enough for Icelandic women who had opted instead to “buy” a wife abroad.
Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.
On a serious note, that is what de-Christianization and re-paganization does to a society. It turns sex and pair bonding into a temporary transaction rather than a beautiful and sublime sacrament of matrimony, in which the two opposites complement each other and sacrifice for one another. Time to go read "The Gift of the Magi" again.
Meant both sides, Jews tend to presume their complete and total innocence.
To an outsider, its less black and white.
Iceland is proof against the HBD hypothesis. Why aren’t the descendants of the Vikings violent people? HBD would predict that the Icelandic people would inherit the rape/violent genes from the Vikings.
The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.
The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.
When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFbdjD4Two0
A couple of points:
First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication.
Second, Koreans are – judging by road fatality rates – worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.
Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.
There:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.
First, a couple of caveats. I AM ethnically Asian. In fact, I emigrated from East Asia. But I am opposed to further large scale immigration from anywhere, including Asia, into the United States.
With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, “pure” Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as “white” in the U.S.!
Most – likely a vast majority of – part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this –
– is the norm, not the exception.
Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the “white party” (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).
I'm not sure I'd have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We'd have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom's tribe.
Thank heaven we're both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They're stuck here!
I regret to inform you that the gene pool of most Europeans is the result of at least three, possibly four major waves of “corruption” from the Middle East and farther east in the Eurasian landmass.
Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the “white race” as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some “pure” relic that is being assailed.
I used to see KLM and Icelandair cabin crews side-by-side every day, and the Dutch girls looked far more Nordic. Taller, blonder, stockier, etc.
Of course, that may not be the gene pool speaking, but the applicant pool. The Netherlands have about sixty times the population of Iceland.
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I'm one quarter asian Indian. My Grandfather was a "Kshatriya" and a right violent bastard. There have been numerous times when I have felt the "red mist" rising myself - but my English part can control it. A lot of blacks and hispanics can't control it - and our current society isn't giving them much incentive to try.
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A hundred labradors in a dog park would probably get along. If you put five pit bulls in with the labradors, everything will be fine until something sets one of the pit bulls off - then there will be carnage. I want to live in a society of well-adjusted, happy labradors - I don't want to live in a society that is reduced to carnage.
Those weak cowardly losers who cannot accept women who are both feminists and Vikings.
Yes, those terrible men who cannot bring themselves to worship women who hate men…
On a serious note, that is what de-Christianization and re-paganization does to a society. It turns sex and pair bonding into a temporary transaction rather than a beautiful and sublime sacrament of matrimony, in which the two opposites complement each other and sacrifice for one another. Time to go read “The Gift of the Magi” again.
The Vikings were not any more or less violent toward their enemies than any other tribal pre-Christian peoples. We tend to mythologize them as some sort of superhuman killing machines, but they were – as with other tribal raiders – cunning people who avoided pitched combat and went after easier prey.
The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today’s sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.
The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity (“Love one another as I have loved you”) in Europe.
The Southern use of manners in dealing with Blacks is also a way to keep the peace between racial groups while keeping your distance from them. Hillary Clinton, Obama and George W. Bush just go out of their way to avoid Blacks. That is their method of dealing with Blacks.
Even dead he continued his zombie depredations on his quailing true-norse (ex)neighbours, from his buried-standing-up-under-the threshold afterlife. Stout fellow. He'd been killed at least twice previously while still fully human, then was finally exhumed and cremated at sea. Even Vikings have limits for that sort of high-jinks.He was a Hebridean, most probably the same sort of character that the Christian Irish knew as Gall-ghaidhil, and thus the very model of a vicious half-insane barbarian, to the fastidious Icelandic gentlemen.
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
16 Nigerian Nationalist > Early Jews terrorized early Christians for not being Jewish nationalists
By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.
Also, we don’t see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don’t believe there were really enough “Christians” even existing to kvetch about, until what’s-his-name’s Byzantine-Emperor’s mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem down
You guys really weren’t very important yet – you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren’t about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted….
PS: I think the “stateless” are Rohingya
The elites who had reached an accomodation with the Romans, who didn't like the disruptive nature of the early Christians, the whole Messiah, King of the Jews business. They saw them as a vanguard for the zealots who if they revolted would bring back Rome's iron fist. to the detriment of their privileges.
The zealots on the hand (both religious and national) disliked early Christians, either for their religious innovations or precisely because those innovations made the Christians (then in their/our? millennial, the kingdom of God on earth is literally tomorrow stance) unconcerned with the fight for Jewish freedom from Roman domination.
Right; you’re pointing out something that is completely irrelevant.
Men don’t protect “gene pools.” Men protect their access to women – it’s why Y-chromosome haplogroups are geographically concentrated, while mtDNA haplogroups are much more geographically diffuse. Women’s lib and the sexual revolution have meant that the patriarchy and men’s access to women have declined. This means that either patriarchy has to be returned or women have to figure out a way to castrate men if they don’t want them seeking access to women elsewhere. Maybe they will be in the future, but men aren’t sterile worker bees devoted to the sexual interests and gene pools of their queens.
Yes. Those demographics make Malmo look pretty attractive compared to Marseilles, Leeds, Duisburg, or even Brussels (and paradise compared to Detroit or Philadelphia). on the other hand Belgrad is a crime ridden hellhole compared to Stockholm, these things are relative.
First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.
Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
I agree. HBD based generalizations about driving are ridiculous. 20 years ago Poles were horrible drivers, reckless and no sense of basic courtesy. Nowadays I prefer driving in Poland to the US. Better cars, better roads, German influence and increasing prosperity seemed to have caused big changes in behavior. People are the same.
When an accident happens in a tunnel in South Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFbdjD4Two0
I’m going to speculate a bit. Pulling together with anonymous strangers to get something done may be an artifact of not simply homogeneity, but of homogeneity and the shared experience of rapid industrialization. So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.
My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don’t know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam
You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won't vouch for.
Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren't hard to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.
Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
” In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won’t have replication.”
Bullshit, not empirical, doesn’t even qualify as common sense.
Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.
There:
Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I’m sure you’ll try to shift the goalposts.
My little theory, however, needs to be tested against this data point. I really don't know enough about it to figure out if collective action could have cleared it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam
https://youtu.be/iKhsPO6yYko?t=4s
“So, a small village traditional in sub-Saharan Africa may exhibit similar behavior in a shared crisis, but a slum in Lagos, Nigeria will not.”
You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won’t vouch for.
Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren’t hard to find.
It should not be surprising my speculation about Lagos was impressionistic, though I do have relatives who have lived there, for the two bits that is worth. Thanks for the on-the-ground report and video.
The homicide rate in Iceland is about .6 homicides/100,000 population/year — about 2 homicides a year. In NYC in 2015 there were 11 white homicides in a white population of 2.7 million for a homicide rate of .4 (11/27). At the same time, the 2 million blacks in NYC sustained 232 homicides for a homicide rate of 11.6 (232/20), one of the lowest urban black homicide rates in the country, (just across the Hudson in Newark, it’s about 60), but still about 30x the corresponding white rate in NYC. During the Democratic primary in NYC, Hillary argued that blacks were a disproportionate share of the prison population because of systemic racism in the (largely democratically run) criminal justice system. None of the other candidates and no one in the media challenged her on this. Trump is the one they fact checked relentlessly.
By the time Christianity came along, Judaism was in its 4th or 5th format. All emotional energy appears to have been spent in siicarii-type civil wars amongst Jews themselves.Also, we don't see Christianity even MENTIONED in the currently- extant Aramaic writings from those times. Therefore, I don't believe there were really enough "Christians" even existing to kvetch about, until what's-his-name's Byzantine-Emperor's mom got a hard-on for the Jesus road show. Which was several hundred years AFTER the Romans completely burned Jerusalem downYou guys really weren't very important yet - you still had to look over your shoulder to make sure you weren't about to get Ate-By-Lions-ocausted....PS: I think the "stateless" are Rohingya
That was a bit of a simplification. The early Jewish “prosecution” of Christians came from two angles.
The elites who had reached an accomodation with the Romans, who didn’t like the disruptive nature of the early Christians, the whole Messiah, King of the Jews business. They saw them as a vanguard for the zealots who if they revolted would bring back Rome’s iron fist. to the detriment of their privileges.
The zealots on the hand (both religious and national) disliked early Christians, either for their religious innovations or precisely because those innovations made the Christians (then in their/our? millennial, the kingdom of God on earth is literally tomorrow stance) unconcerned with the fight for Jewish freedom from Roman domination.
Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.
Also, the Norsemen who settled Iceland did so with quite a few women abducted from Ireland. The Icelandic gene pool is reportedly about a quarter Celtic.
I used to see KLM and Icelandair cabin crews side-by-side every day, and the Dutch girls looked far more Nordic. Taller, blonder, stockier, etc.
Of course, that may not be the gene pool speaking, but the applicant pool. The Netherlands have about sixty times the population of Iceland.
With that out of the way, you are absolutely incorrect about the quoted statement above. First of all, "pure" Asians in America have the highest intermarriage rates with whites of any non-white group, especially if they were born in the U.S. Second, most American-born part-Asians and even a substantialy minority of pure-Asians identify as "white" in the U.S.!
Most - likely a vast majority of - part-Asians date and marry whites, period. In other words, this - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/22/24F3C57B00000578-0-image-a-20_1421963207294.jpg - is the norm, not the exception.Yes, but this is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the past, Asians in America tended to vote for the "white party" (the GOP) at higher rates than whites did. There are several reasons why this has changed, but Asians tend to have a weak party ID, so the latest trend is not set in stone. As with whites, religious affiliation is of primary importance in determining how Asians vote (e.g. Asian evangelicals vote strongly for the GOP; Asian atheists tend to vote strongly for the Democrats).
Asian immigrants are an order of magnitude purer than Americans. They’re not only purely Asian, but in most cases full-blooded Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Hmong, whatever.
I’m not sure I’d have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We’d have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom’s tribe.
Thank heaven we’re both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They’re stuck here!
When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).
With East Asians, it's often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.
Why? Bc it is an island…surrounded by volcanic rock, slippery and jagged lichen-covered rocks; barren land; inhospitable long valleys with mountains in the distance that look like mirages. It is cold; and there is no foraging for anything to survive on. Towns are small…and Icelandic men are like Finns – they will beat your skull in if you attack their women or children…any women or children. The men are big and strong…bc….their bodies have adapted to living in this vast wasteland, with shitty weather, where it is hard to pull your sustenance out of the sea, or work jobs to support your family. You know I love Iceland! The horses are amazing…the landscapes are magic to ride through.
The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.
Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.
(1) Through my telescope, Danes and Icelanders look fairly compatible, so I’m not too surprised to hear that some find each other.
(2) It’s pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.
(3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word “rape”) them, but usually they just woo them. It’s generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate– probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it– in fact a man who isn’t powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)
(4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)
(5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it’s fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men– I think that would be just fine.
(6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don’t like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.
You started well, then ruined it by saying will not rather than may not. Slums are more likely to exhibit those, because they retain traditional values. The island folk infected by your values though, I won't vouch for.
Again, videos of Lagos traffic aren't hard to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
Good point about sloppy and inattentive grammar. May not.
It should not be surprising my speculation about Lagos was impressionistic, though I do have relatives who have lived there, for the two bits that is worth. Thanks for the on-the-ground report and video.
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
In other words, you mainly care about your group.
Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.
From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.
Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.
Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.
Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.
There:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.
Ok. I’ll play. Same circumstance. It doesn’t even have to be inside a tunnel. Why don’t you show us a video of an emergency vehicle – tow truck, police car or ambulance – trying to navigate a traffic-jammed area?
You're showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???
It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.
Call it a Pavlovian reaction.
I'm anticipating yet another goal shift.
(2) It's pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.
(3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word "rape") them, but usually they just woo them. It's generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate-- probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it-- in fact a man who isn't powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)
(4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)
(5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it's fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men-- I think that would be just fine.
(6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don't like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.
A projection onto all Icelandic women that says more about you than you may realize.
To some extent this may stem from the sick culture of the last 50 years or so rather than anything inherent, but I couldn't say. We did adopt said sick culture with alacrity.
I wouldn’t quite go that far. People are the same about a lot of things, but much of that “sameness” is refracted through differences in genes and environment, which interact with each other to produce diverse, that is to say different, cultures.
Completely relevant to the original rambling about “corruption” against “purity.”
I'm not sure I'd have married a full-breed of any ethnicity. We'd have an unbalanced relationship, and the kids might identify with mom's tribe.
Thank heaven we're both mongrels, and our progeny trace to nine or ten nations. They're stuck here!
Not sure that’s true.
When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).
With East Asians, it’s often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.
(2) It's pretty funny when ballbreaking feminists bitch about men choosing other women.
(3) It is traditional for a portion of the men in most societies to go viking (or whatever) and come back with foreign women. Sometimes they abduct (the original meaning of the word "rape") them, but usually they just woo them. It's generally good for the local gene pool, the kids display hybrid vigor, and the women usually assimilate-- probably evolution in action since women want vigorous offspring too. (Feminist bitching about men going abroad to get higher-quality women than they can get at home is just special pleading, when you think about it-- in fact a man who isn't powerful enough to get a really hot wife at home does both himself and his society a favor by importing an attractive wife from a less powerful/affluent region.)
(4) Bringing in foreign women is much less threat to society than bringing in foreign men. Pregnancy is the rate-limiting step in population growth, so a healthy society can always use more women. On the other hand, a healthy society almost never needs extra men because they will cause trouble as they compete for access to women. (In the extreme case, polygamous societies commonly send surplus men off to war (or Mormon missions) hoping that some will get killed and the others will return with foreign wives.)
(5) The alt-right is a big enough tent to shelter both the race-purity fanatics and those of us who think it's fine for Derbyshire to bring home a Chinese wife, at least until our coalition can stop the flood of immigration which greatly harms our society. After we limit immigration to a trickle, we can dispute whether that trickle should include foreign wives for a few of our more adventurous men-- I think that would be just fine.
(6) Foreign wives are a lovely weapon against feminism: local women must either compete for male attention or sacrifice their inclusive fitness. You should think of the second option as selection pressure against genes which contribute to the ballbreaking feminist phenotype. Indeed, feminist opposition to foreign wives (the only kind of immigration they don't like) is properly understood as feminist genes trying to outlaw the competition which would lead to their extinction.
What about foreign (-origin) husbands? Is that just a tent pole too wide?
Lagertha, you are always so hilarious with your half-drunken nonsensical ramblings.
The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.
Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.
Try again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland
When a black person and a white person marry in the U.S., the offspring often identify as black even when the black person is highly mixed and the white person is, say, pure Irish (well, as pure as the Irish get).
With East Asians, it's often the reverse. Children of mixed white-Asian marriages in the U.S. typically identify as white.
At work here is racial preference quotas for blacks. Reverse them, and racial identification would probably shift accordingly. While Jim Crow was in force, black and white mixtures used to identify as (aka try to pass for) white.
Some of the worst, most hostile driving I’ve ever seen was in the ultra-civilized Cotswolds between Stratford-upon-Avon and Bath where Jane Austen used to hang out.
(Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)
http://austenauthors.net/the-dreaded-freak-carriage-accident/
We did a car tour of that area a couple of summers ago, and I agree driving was not relaxing. Competing for parking spaces was also fierce at times. But I’m surprised you found it worse than SoCal — was it the preponderance of narrow roads that were still pretty busy that you found hard to deal with?
Must be nice to have, and express, that privilege.
Between the ethnic champions trying to drag us down into bickering clans and the Pan-Africans/”global citizens” content with leaving us the world’s charity basket, while feathering their nests off it, its tougher than I make it seem.
From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.
Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.
You actually shifted the goalposts.
You’re showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???
It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.
Call it a Pavlovian reaction.
I’m anticipating yet another goal shift.
What you don't seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in "self-help" mode - to get themselves somewhere quickly.
On that topic, the BBC also raise this clueless hardy perennial today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204
I’m using “>” as shorthand for “increased statistical likelihood of” here.
High IQ > wealthier
High IQ > high IQ kids
High IQ kids > “outstanding school”
Therefore
Wealthier > “outstanding school”
Second, your first point needs to be
Wealthier -> high IQ
for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it's worth noting that it's the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.
A lot of wealthy young men in that corridor, especially on the Burford/Cirencester/Bath route. They know the roads, have fast cars and drive accordingly. Do you think a 19-year old David Cameron type would be a considerate driver?
(Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)
Intriguingly I was also looking at the demographics of Iceland a couple of days ago.
The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.
Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.
It’s interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.
Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.
We don’t have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..
Yeah, extra funny when he also proclaims himself hardcore.
“I’m a hardcore Orthodox Jew … Vietnamese Buddhists will be a plus to any part of Israel.”
I once read somewhere that George Lincoln Rockwell’s two children by his Icelandic wife both married East Asians.
Be that as it may, I have in my lifetime, much of it spent in Sweden and some of it in long periods abroad, on consideration found that Swedish women are a bit colder and more mannish than foreign (Western) women.
To some extent this may stem from the sick culture of the last 50 years or so rather than anything inherent, but I couldn’t say. We did adopt said sick culture with alacrity.
I once met an Icelander at an art show in Peking. He told me that his country was controlled by the “octopus,” by which he meant some sinister cabal of wealthy and connected Icelanders. Seeing how things have panned out over the 18 years since, either the octopus is really weak, or it’s actually a pretty nice octopus.
On a more serious note, after seeing the picture of the recently murdered Icelandic girl, I was pretty disturbed by how much she looks like my daughter and her mother. I hope Iceland secures justice for Birna.
The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.
Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.
Well, Iceland is made up of fishermen with a (now dormant) raiding hobby. Living in a very tough climate.
Bryndis Björgsvindòttir will quadruple the crime rate in 2 gens max!
The clanish part of the video is great – the young blond woman looks so good, the hole post is very informative and totally upbeat.
Great and refreshing – thanks to the host!
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
I don’t know about the faults, but the women are already being exchanged. Look at the intermarriage rates.
If you are willing (presumably) to flood white countries with significant numbers of Asians, how exactly are you “hardcore Eurocentric”? — maybe you meant ‘softcore Eurocentric’.
Seeing the Polish percentage makes me wonder. How difficult it would be to transport additional few hundred thousand Poles to Iceland?
This way the western world could have a demonstration how large population transfers really work and what this nation stuff is rally about. Because it looks like this was forgotten.
As a payment for this important service Polish people would get a nice, safe place – in case Russians or Germans get insane again.
Everybody wins! Islandia forever.
Are we sure the “Danes” in Malmo are actual Danes and not “refugees” who are shopping for more generous welfare payments?
“Why Violent Crime Is So Rare in Iceland”
Proximity to the Canadien border.
Duh.
The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.
Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.
It's interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.
Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.
We don't have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..
I think out-of-wedlock births in Iceland are the majority. Marriage rates are low. This is also part of Sweden’s problem.
First, this has little to do with Korea being a homgenous nation. It has to do with it being a civilized nation. In other words, if this occurred in a homogenously sub-Saharan African country, you won't have replication.
Second, Koreans are - judging by road fatality rates - worse (or less safe) drivers than the Japanese and Americans, but are much better than the Chinese. So this is probably not entirely or perhaps even mostly racial/ethnic per se, but likely also has something to do with the level of economic development and familiarity with driving cars.
It’s obvious you’ve never driven in Massachusetts.
Getting back to what I wrote earlier, I suspect the higher road fatalities rate in South Korea (vis-a-vis Japan and the United States) probably has to do with its socially accepted culture of drunk driving. There is a culture of extreme drinking among men in South Korea, especially for the Korean equivalents of sararimen.
“equality was the biggest reason for the nation’s relative lack of crime.”
Equality is easier to achieve if people are similar.
In other news, Bloomberg is concerned about British Chickens’ welfare after Brexit.
After Brexit Who Will Feed All These Chickens?
Britain’s farmers rely on foreign workers to pick strawberries and raise chickens. Brexit puts that model at risk.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-01/after-brexit-who-will-feed-all-these-chickens
(Re)settling Serbs & Bosnians next to each other is always smart things to do.
Swedes really want to euthanize themselves at industrial scale.
“While generally it’s men who need to protect their women, their tribe’s gene pool, from corruption…”
No, it is not the duty of men to collectively protect their “tribe’s gene pool from corruption”. I assume you are talking about race mixing. The mixing of races between people is really none of your business. White men and women assuredly do not need to be coerced or shamed by you to ensure that race mixing is at best illegal or at worst considered a social pariah.
The Dutch and the Serbo-Croatians (esp. from the Dinaric Alps) from the warmer and decidedly less wasteland-like climates are taller, if only by a little, than the Icelandic people. And the Serbo-Croatian males are also much more violent and tough (and unruly) than Icelandic men. Getting hammered with overpriced booze and engaging in a few shoving matches with other tail-whipped men every weekend weakens, not strengthens, the martial spirit of the menfolk.
Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.
“Iceland is an interesting (and peaceful and prosperous) little country with some fantastic vistas, but it is most certainly NOT made up of warrior-kings.”
Try again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland
https://www.vice.com/en_dk/article/ask-icelands-strongest-man-anything-you-want
I am well-aware that Icelandic competitors are heavily represented in strongman contests and crossfit games (especially females). But given that they haven't won a single medal in an Olympic strength sport*, I'd say that the former overrepresentation is likely an artefact of concentrating in a niche sport, rather than indicative of their overall athletic superiority.
Furthermore, muscle strength =/= toughness.
I'd bet money that, in a real fight, a paunch-bellyed, middled aged Chetnik would beat a muscled Icelandic men, given that, you know, the said Chetnik might have actually killed a few people in the late unpleasantness in former Yugoslavia.
*Olympic strength sports usually have weight categories. I hope I don't have to explain the implications of that.
To an outsider, its less black and white.
Thats the point. We can’t reach a peace treaty if one side is unwilling to cease hostilities (or even admit it’s engaging in hostilities).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39076204I'm using ">" as shorthand for "increased statistical likelihood of" here.
High IQ > wealthier
High IQ > high IQ kids
High IQ kids > "outstanding school"
Therefore
Wealthier > "outstanding school"
Two thoughts. First, maybe use -> for “increased statistical likelihood of”, > is too often used in comparisons like this to indicate “better” or “more important.”
Second, your first point needs to be
Wealthier -> high IQ
for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it’s worth noting that it’s the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.
(Or you might have met some of the young traveller folk of the area)
Agreed. Posh and peasant yob are thick on the ground there.
Try again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland
Icelandic strength training seems rather different from other people. While others are taking their protein powders and using expensive gym equipment, the Icelanders are just lifting concrete and logs in rather basic gyms:
https://www.vice.com/en_dk/article/ask-icelands-strongest-man-anything-you-want
Off topic here, but you've got to take a look at this Max Boot tweet:
https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/836748581407178752
they* are so ingroupist** they can’t see the double standard
(*the ones this particular “they” applies to)
(**side effect of surviving as a minority for so long imo)
More slurs against Malmo, the alt-right capital of Europe.
Here is a typical alt-right rally in Malmo.
At 2.11, you can see Opinionator in a fetching hat.
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
I think you’re right that it’s a cycle with fault on both sides and it needs to be stopped before the world gets blown to bits or turned into planet retard.
There are sagas written describing Icelandic violent crime in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nj%C3%A1ls_saga
So something changed – like maybe the frequency of genes associated with violence were slowly culled?
yes – minus the amount selected out over time as law and order switched from vendetta to state
in a vendetta society every clan wants some psychos in their clan (even if they’re extremely dangerous) to fight the psychos in the other clans
once you have state law the psychos gradually get culled
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the places where you still have a lot of psychos are places where vendetta law lasted the longest or still exists e.g. Sudan, Chechnya, Sicily etc
Him:
You:
Me:
Either you introduced the word “purity” to the conversation, or AnotherDad introduced it to you through your tin-foil hat, or you have a very different definition of “relevant” than I do. You probably have your own definition of “rambling,” too, as his comment seemed rather concise to me.
The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state. E.g., Mexicans’ current constitution of 10% black, 50% red, 40% white (or whatever it is, I pulled those numbers from my bum) has no impact on the question of whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.
Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be along the lines of protecting our American workers and their livelihood, preserving our (Anglo-) American civic traditions and culture, including traditional Christianity, etc. And of course, I would also agree that dramatically altering the racial makeup of the country is a terrible idea (I'd like the U.S. to continue to be a white super-majority country), but that's not due to any sense of "corruption" of the gene pool, as if that pool were some sort of a pure relic in danger of becoming hybridized. Hybridizations have occurred already - in Europe, long before white men set their eyes upon this continent.
As long as people are on the hook for supporting others via taxes, people’s life choices will be the taxpayers’ business.
People have the right to form communities. As such, they have the right to decide how their communities are constituted. Sort of like how Jews do things in Israel.
The most interesting part is the fertility rate of 2.1; at replacement and almost certainly fuelled by Icelandic mothers.
Does that mean in low/no immigration environments low fertility rates ultimately resolve themselves? Japan and Korea will prove instructive in this regard.
It's interesting that low fertility rates would be better offset by encouraging 2 children 2 parent families to have another child. I have many ultra-liberal white friends and among the women I can literally count those who have children.
Ultra- Feminism ultimately has made it a crime (for a woman but ironically not men) to be feminine. This is why immigrants and liberal arts colleges are required to reproduce an ideology that cannot persist on its own.
We don't have to go back to a kinder, kuche and kitchen but some of variant of it for married couples is necessary for survival..
No, low fertility rates do not resolve themselves. Socialist government intervention is needed in the form of paid parental leave, low-cost high-quality daycare, and other financial subsidies. Women in Iceland can be staunch feminists because they know the government will help them raise their children. In Iceland, 67% of the children are born out of wedlock.
A county in South Korea, Haenam, has raised its fertility rate to 2.4, compared to the country’s rate of 1.3 to 1.4.
What’s funny about this is that you are opposing AD’s “coercion” and “shaming” against racemixing, a position that you have to seek out in remote pockets of the internet like iSteve or other race-realist sites.
But the coercion and shaming against people* who rule out racemixing for themselves that spews out of Big Media and Hollywood, Academia, the political establishment, organized religion – from every minaret, essentially – 24/7/365, that’s hunkey-dorey.
*The White (but not Jewish) ones, anyway.
Speaking of Jews, what do you have to say about the “Silent Holocaust“? Is that shaming and coercion you can get behind, too?
The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.
The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.
The Anglo-Celts and Anglo-Normans and Anglo-Saxons in the South are just as potentially violent as they ever were in Northwest Europe and/or Britain. They have used exaggerated politeness and manners to reduce the bloodshed. Everybody knows why they lay it on so thick down there. It helps to keep things reasonably civil without descending into violence over every damn thing.
The Southern use of manners in dealing with Blacks is also a way to keep the peace between racial groups while keeping your distance from them. Hillary Clinton, Obama and George W. Bush just go out of their way to avoid Blacks. That is their method of dealing with Blacks.
Nah, I’m sure lots of people named Svensen in Copenhagen want to move to Malmo for the, uh, vibrancy.
No blacks and/or Muslims. The amount of crime and violence is directly related to the number of blacks in any area.
Second, your first point needs to be
Wealthier -> high IQ
for the conclusion to follow. Hard to argue with that statistically, but it's worth noting that it's the only one of the three premises where the causal argument is relatively weak.
Disagree with your second point, because the arrow of causation runs from “High IQ” to “Wealthier” – it’s the high IQ that will tend (for a large random sample) to make one wealthier.
(These days a billionaire with a dimwit child can amass and pass on enough wealth that dimwit great-great-great-grandchildren may still be very wealthy, when 60 years back high taxation might have levelled that out. And a century ago a high-IQ pauper child may never have had the educational opportunities which would have made him well off. In the UK the sweet spot where poor but bright would rise and rich but dim fall was probably, as for so much else, the 1955-1975 period.)
What I was trying to say is you can't conclude Wealthier causes outstanding school (using the three premises) because wealthier does not cause high IQ (at least not to the degree the other direction applies) even though I think the other two premises work as causal. I agree about high IQ tending to cause wealthier.
On a more serious note, after seeing the picture of the recently murdered Icelandic girl, I was pretty disturbed by how much she looks like my daughter and her mother. I hope Iceland secures justice for Birna.
I think I know what he’s referring to after having read a chapter on Iceland in a book. And it’s much more interesting than the ludicrous Larssen’s fantasies of fascist wealthy Scandinavian business serial killers.
It’s the five families.
Apparently Iceland’s economy was dominated by these families who owned most of the fishing fleet (traditional mainstay of the Icelandic economy). The economy blew up in the Global Financial Crisis in a sense because the families themselves decided to diversify from/got sick of fishing and went into banking instead. Dominating a maritime economy they were good at…banking not so much!
I suspect due to Iceland’s size (pop. 300 000) this economic domination was possible. Had an interesting conversation back late in the last millennium at a university party with a science student who came from a small country town (not in the US but in an Anglosphere country). He said that five families dominated his town i.e. owned the surrounding farms/orchards, married each other, owned the local supermarket and many of the shops etc and that the kids in school learned to mind their ps and qs when around class mates who belonged to one of these families.
It all sounds quite implausible but then the University of Edinburgh’s Medical School was dominated by five families (Hunters, Monroes etc) when Charles Darwin was a student there. http://www.ed.ac.uk/biology/about/notable-alumni/charles-darwin
Any other modern examples, I wonder? The Godfather’s Five Families of New York don’t count, sorry!
So, the Octopus of Iceland/the five families, has actually had an effect on Icelandic historiography according to this book chapter. It wasn’t Norway but Denmark that Iceland was controlled by and that was looked up to (Icelandic women would be sent back to Denmark to learn culture/European mores/cooking). Thus Icelanders blame the Danes, as the colonial power, for their lack of economic progress. But the new Iceland history position is that it might not have been the Danes holding them back. It was their own five families.
Source? This seems to be the common, but erroneous, conflation of hybridization and hybrid vigor.
Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.
I think most Europeans understand that. A glance at a map shows that Europe is en-route from Africa to the far East. But that is largely irrelevant. I don’t want White women breeding with negroes because they are stupid and violent (because of their DNA), and I don’t want White women breeding with muslims because they are not very bright and they are violent (because of their religion).
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I’m one quarter asian Indian. My Grandfather was a “Kshatriya” and a right violent bastard. There have been numerous times when I have felt the “red mist” rising myself – but my English part can control it. A lot of blacks and hispanics can’t control it – and our current society isn’t giving them much incentive to try.
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A hundred labradors in a dog park would probably get along. If you put five pit bulls in with the labradors, everything will be fine until something sets one of the pit bulls off – then there will be carnage. I want to live in a society of well-adjusted, happy labradors – I don’t want to live in a society that is reduced to carnage.
They’re all at it. Here’s some Norwegian fellas.
Swedes go for actual Chinese (mainland or Formosan), for some reason.
Not surprising. Jane Austen herself was a bit of a “hot shoe” – so much so that writers of “Jane Austen Fan Fiction” have coined a term: DFCA (Dreaded Freak Carriage Accident), referring to a commonly used plot twist.
http://austenauthors.net/the-dreaded-freak-carriage-accident/
Fast forward centuries, Jewish vengeance strikes with Marxism, Communism (Trosty et al) and Freud, leading to the rightist backlash which triggered ambivalence during the Holocaust. Less than a century later, perceived Jewish conspiracies are again triggering backlash (whitelash? Jewlash).
Anyways, as an outsider looking in, maybe y'all need to have a sitdown, honestly admit faults and exchange women, like in the old days. This cycle often drags the rest of us in.
OMG I just realised you meant literal tit-for-tat
(.. thinks for exactly twelve seconds about the nice Jewish guy across the landing’s demoness ..) Wew, no way, that’s a non-starter. I’d rather keep wolverines. And polecats. Together, with badgers for referees.
The discordance here is absolutely cosmic.
Lack of volcanic activity in IL. Simples. Needs more lava in da hood.
Although having to listen to B’joerrrrkk! for an entire Arctic night would probably push the homicide/suicide rates up some.
Bullshit, not empirical, doesn't even qualify as common sense.
Here in Lagos, with the often tiny roads, its replicated daily just to allow normal traffic flow.
There:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkFVxXKXdY
Not even that hard to find. Now rather than admit ignorance and apologise, I'm sure you'll try to shift the goalposts.
I’m curious as to why you think that is the same kind of thing at all? The Koreans reacted to an accident by spontaneously moving all the cars out of the way so that emergency vehicles could get through. The nigerians reacted to shitty roads by acting like assholes and cutting each other off whenever they could.
The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.
The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.
If you read Heimskringla –the sagas of the Norse kings, it’s amazing how senselessly violent some of the early stories are, and the victims are most often other Vikings. I noticed a similar thing in the Secret History of the Mongols –from another group with a similar or even worse historical reputation.
The difference, in my view, is how a group of non-or pre-people treat members of the in-group. On that score, Vikings (and other tribal peoples) probably rated much better than today's sub-Saharan Africans and their diaspora around the world.
The allegiance toward res public or the commonwealth that led to domestic docility was the culmination of Christianity ("Love one another as I have loved you") in Europe.
One of the scariest psychos in the Sagas was by-named ‘Killer-Hrapp’. Because he was called Hrapp, and liked killing. A whole lot, even by viking standards. He’d even contrived to utterly desecrate (loot, then torch) a pagan temple over in Norge.
Even dead he continued his zombie depredations on his quailing true-norse (ex)neighbours, from his buried-standing-up-under-the threshold afterlife. Stout fellow. He’d been killed at least twice previously while still fully human, then was finally exhumed and cremated at sea. Even Vikings have limits for that sort of high-jinks.
He was a Hebridean, most probably the same sort of character that the Christian Irish knew as Gall-ghaidhil, and thus the very model of a vicious half-insane barbarian, to the fastidious Icelandic gentlemen.
Try again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_athletics_in_Iceland
Try again what?
I am well-aware that Icelandic competitors are heavily represented in strongman contests and crossfit games (especially females). But given that they haven’t won a single medal in an Olympic strength sport*, I’d say that the former overrepresentation is likely an artefact of concentrating in a niche sport, rather than indicative of their overall athletic superiority.
Furthermore, muscle strength =/= toughness.
I’d bet money that, in a real fight, a paunch-bellyed, middled aged Chetnik would beat a muscled Icelandic men, given that, you know, the said Chetnik might have actually killed a few people in the late unpleasantness in former Yugoslavia.
*Olympic strength sports usually have weight categories. I hope I don’t have to explain the implications of that.
Sure have. LOTS when I was in college. I learned to drive in NYC. In general, drivers in NYC are aggressive, but competent. I found Boston drivers aggressive and incompetent, that most dangerous of combinations.
Getting back to what I wrote earlier, I suspect the higher road fatalities rate in South Korea (vis-a-vis Japan and the United States) probably has to do with its socially accepted culture of drunk driving. There is a culture of extreme drinking among men in South Korea, especially for the Korean equivalents of sararimen.
Yes, tribal cultures, especially those that existed on border areas between civilization and true wasteland were usually very violent. At the same time, they often had the technology and the numbers to threaten civilized areas in ways that the inhabitants of the true wastelands (or deserts or deep forests, what have you) could not.
You're showing that ignorance I mentioned again. Nigeria has spent much of its existence under military rule, using a bit of common sense, just what do you think would be the normal reaction to sirens???
It is resented, but here, on hearing those round blares, traffic clears a part. Emergency vehicles, Army convoys, political convoys e.t.c are rarely obstructed.
Call it a Pavlovian reaction.
I'm anticipating yet another goal shift.
Apparently for some blacks, being asked to behave in the same manner as other (civilized) peoples is “shifting the goalposts.”
That’s just an excuse, and a bad one at that. And your own ignorance is splendidly transparent, for that matter. South Korea – for the majority of its existence as a modern nation-state – was ruled by dictators. Indeed between 1960 and 1998, it was ruled by generals, often under martial law. But even during the tumultous street battles between student demonstrators and the riot police, the combatants would cease fighting and make way (temporarily) when women and children crossed the boulevards.
What you don’t seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in “self-help” mode – to get themselves somewhere quickly.
Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.
Its tiring.
The background genetic history of a group seems irrelevant to the question of preserving its current state. E.g., Mexicans' current constitution of 10% black, 50% red, 40% white (or whatever it is, I pulled those numbers from my bum) has no impact on the question of whether they should allow themselves to be replaced by sub-Saharan Africans, Swedes, or Han.
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“Corruption” of gene pool usually assumes that the said gene pool was “pure” to begin with.
That’s exactly the point. “The current state” as such should not be idealized. In a given population, unless it is hermetically-sealed from the rest of the world, there will always be some shifts in percentages of hybridization, especially given that the population in question was developed through multiple hybridization pulses.
Indeed, the crux of the matter should be about the size/scale of the said hybridization, the relative genetic and cultural compatibility of the incoming population groups, etc. Racial or tribal “purity” shouldn’t be the main reason put forth, given that the “tribe” as such isn’t pure to begin with.
Look here, you and I probably agree that there needs to be a drastic reduction in immigration in the United States, no? If so, I think a more productive (and scientifically valid) rationale for reducing immigration would be along the lines of protecting our American workers and their livelihood, preserving our (Anglo-) American civic traditions and culture, including traditional Christianity, etc. And of course, I would also agree that dramatically altering the racial makeup of the country is a terrible idea (I’d like the U.S. to continue to be a white super-majority country), but that’s not due to any sense of “corruption” of the gene pool, as if that pool were some sort of a pure relic in danger of becoming hybridized. Hybridizations have occurred already – in Europe, long before white men set their eyes upon this continent.
Cape Verde is a decent comparison.
Decent comparison? The murder rate in Cape Verde is about 35 times higher. Guess what is the majority race in that place?
Hate to break this to you sport, but you are ANYTHING BUT a “hard-core Eurocentric”.
Not so fast! They MAY be from other European countries, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are native Europeans. They could be Muslims, etc., living in Denmark who moved on to Sweden, rather then native ethnic Danes..
Mind you, I am not suggesting that makes any further large-scale mixing good (or bad), but am merely pointing out that the "white race" as such is a result of multiple hybridization pulses, and not some "pure" relic that is being assailed.
You definitely have some kind of agenda here sport.
What you don't seem to understand about comparing the Korean video with the Nigerian video is that the two behaviors (aside from the clear differences in self-organization and aesthetics) have different goals. The Korean drivers cleared way to help *others* in distress; the Nigerian drivers were in "self-help" mode - to get themselves somewhere quickly.
You clearly need better glasses if you failed to see the several drivers who left their cars to help clear the traffic.
Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.
Its tiring.
Now I can see clearly that in the Lagos videos, the drivers are spontaneously parting ways like Moses parting the Red Sea, so that emergency vehicles can arrive at the accident scene rapidly.
From the outside looking in, you lot have it good, power, wealth, once ruled the world. Comparatively, I can only be be an Arminius, resentful of Roman power, yet without it an uncouth Barbarian.
Hopefully, some day my descendants have it so good that they start complaining about myriad isms and privilege too.
European ‘barbarian’ groups from the north and east (ultimately from the Western Steppe) periodically renew European civilizations when they become decadent. This pattern has gone on for over 3,000 years.
Arminius is sometimes associated with the greatest hero of Germanic legend, Siegfried. You might personally have a few of his qualities, but your people as a whole have nothing to offer us by way of renewing our civilization. Only Aryan barbarians can do it.
Why is this even a discussion? What? I just came back from a 7 day ride, touring, staying at lodges with excellent food..and we came across no one..no cars. What????
Your comment on South Korea is an example of your constant arguments in bad faith. You cast aspersions, when corrected you instead grasp another thread.
Its tiring.
You are right. I was wrong. Nigerians and Koreans are the same.
You are right. I need to punish my eyes for not seeing that the two videos are identical and display the very same level of civic-mindedness and regard for others.
Now I can see clearly that in the Lagos videos, the drivers are spontaneously parting ways like Moses parting the Red Sea, so that emergency vehicles can arrive at the accident scene rapidly.
C’mon now! Everyone can see that Nigerians have the same level of civic orderliness as South Koreans. What are you, some sort of a racist or something?
Who brought agriculture to Europe?
Swedes really want to euthanize themselves at industrial scale.
They’re all just sacred refugees, man. Why would they fight? They were running away from violence! And now they are safe, safe to flourish.
There actually are a reasonable number of people who live in Malmö (or its surroundings) and commute to Copenhagen over the Öresund bridge. Vibrancy is of course a great bonus, let’s not forget that, but apparently cost of living is what fuels this.
No, it doesn’t (any more than a “corrupted” politician or political process is assumed to have been “pure” beforehand):
https://corruption.askdefine.com/
“Integrity” appears several times, but “purity” does not.
You seem to be fighting a straw man.
Still at it? Seems like a mental tic.
I say let a thousand flowers bloom.
At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer's cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism... so that they vote the way we do.
Besides, “purity” in this context doesn’t mean what you seem to think, either. Establish a range of ancestry for Mexicans; a Mexican who falls within that range is a “pure” Mexican. A country composed of 100% mulattos is pure mulatto.
Understand, I realize you are using it rhetorically. But when someone invokes "purity" in the context of a "gene pool," he is not using the term rhetorically.
Look, let's not beat around the bush. You and I both know that there is a subset (who knows how large?) of people who purport to subscribe to HBDism who are actually scientifically very ignorant and who, despite the clear genetic evidences, continue to propagate the idea that whites/Europeans are some sort of a pure ("uncorrupted") relic that is being assailed by the blood corrupting influences of the darker peoples (many such people are Nordicists, for lack of a better term). Not only is that line of reasoning scientifically incorrect, it also tends to produce rhetoric that is deeply unattractive to those in polite society who might otherwise harbor some sympathies for HBDism.
It sounds like we agree on the underlying reality, but have trouble with the words we are each using to express it.
What I was trying to say is you can’t conclude Wealthier causes outstanding school (using the three premises) because wealthier does not cause high IQ (at least not to the degree the other direction applies) even though I think the other two premises work as causal. I agree about high IQ tending to cause wealthier.
Oh, and that soccer chant in the video heading this post? About as viking as shortbread petticoat tails. Looted from Scotland, as usual.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/74029/iceland-chant-seismic-euro-2016-war-cry-comes-from-scotland
https://corruption.askdefine.com/"Integrity" appears several times, but "purity" does not.You seem to be fighting a straw man.Still at it? Seems like a mental tic.I say let a thousand flowers bloom.
Like soil (or a country, for that matter), the public consciousness can only support a limited number of “plants” (i.e. ideas, in this case). Do you want the latter to perceive HBDers and immigration restrictionists in the mold of Richard Spencer or our host, Steven Sailer?
At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer’s cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism… so that they vote the way we do.
You are trying so hard to win an argument rather than come to some understanding that you just invented a new oxymoron – “pure mulatto.” No such creature, I am afraid.
Understand, I realize you are using it rhetorically. But when someone invokes “purity” in the context of a “gene pool,” he is not using the term rhetorically.
Look, let’s not beat around the bush. You and I both know that there is a subset (who knows how large?) of people who purport to subscribe to HBDism who are actually scientifically very ignorant and who, despite the clear genetic evidences, continue to propagate the idea that whites/Europeans are some sort of a pure (“uncorrupted”) relic that is being assailed by the blood corrupting influences of the darker peoples (many such people are Nordicists, for lack of a better term). Not only is that line of reasoning scientifically incorrect, it also tends to produce rhetoric that is deeply unattractive to those in polite society who might otherwise harbor some sympathies for HBDism.
“Most Cape Verdans are black. Hence the crime.”
Most Cape Verdeans are Mulattos. Genetic DNA studies say they on average are almost a 50/50 mix of European and African. If you google image search Cape Verdeans you will see it’s obvious in their phenotypes.
At the end of the day, unless you share Spencer's cartoon Nazi will-to-power fantasies, you want to *convince* people in polite society of the salubrious effects of recognizing biological realities and immigration restrictionism... so that they vote the way we do.
Pffft. We’ve been trying your way since the early 90s at least. Never made one IOTA of progress, until the Alt-Right came along with their memes. LO and BEHOLD, President Trump who promises to Build the Wall and Make Mexico Pay for It.
In other words, do you think the president's views are white supremacist/nationalist or citizenist?
Furthermore, do you think that he'd have won the election if he had sounded like Richard Spencer?
Do you think Trump’s views and rhetoric on race and immigration are similar to Richard Spencer’s or Steve Sailer’s?
In other words, do you think the president’s views are white supremacist/nationalist or citizenist?
Furthermore, do you think that he’d have won the election if he had sounded like Richard Spencer?