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From BBC:

Where are all the beautiful, powerful, black-skinned females from mythology and history? They were erased by Western art, argues Sophia Smith Galer.

16 January 2019

… There is no doubt about Andromena’s race, according to Professor McGrath. “It’s as clear as mud,” the historian tells BBC Culture, almost three decades after the publication of her article.

Yet Renaissance art repeatedly depicts Andromeda as white. In Piero di Cosimo’s Perseus Freeing Andromeda from the 1510s she is actually whiter than all the figures around her, including a black musician and her parents, who are considerably darker and in exotic costume. We do know that there was active debate about her skin colour, a debate that would certainly seem racist to modern eyes. McGrath references Francisco Pacheco, a Spanish artist and writer, who asks in one passage of his book Arte de la Pintura why Andromeda is so often painted as white-skinned when several of the sources say she is black. …

So Ohajuru was shocked to discover that many paintings of the Old Testament’s visitor to King Solomon, the Queen of Sheba – another word for Saba – depicted her as a white woman. He references Claude Lorrain’s Seaport with the Embarkation of the Queen of Sheba, hanging in London’s National Gallery. “She’s shown in detail at the edge of the painting, but she’s white. But the Queen of Sheba I knew came from Saba that was in Ethiopia, and the black king was from Saba. So the Queen of Sheba had to be black in my mind.”

Indeed.

But those who depicted the Queen of Sheba – or indeed Andromeda – had a handy excuse. Ethiopia, for both the writers of the classics and students of the Bible, could mean very different things. As an Arabic speaker I’ve always understood that the Queen of Sheba was called Queen Belqis and came from Yemen. The etymology of Ethiopia comes from the Ancient Greek for ‘scorched faces’. To them, it was a byword for anyone from hotter, further climes than their small known world. “It’s quite unstable,” McGrath says. “It could be anywhere in Africa, even India, these vague places, sunburnt places at either end of the Earth. Ethiopia can almost be like a magic land where strange things happen.

In contrast, non-Europeans were incredibly sensitive and thoughtful in their depictions of what Westerners actually looked like, such as this Japanese history of America published in 1861 (Note: I don’t actually have any evidence that this Japanese book is about American history other than the word of Some Guy on Twitter):

Perhaps European artists didn’t paint many sub-Saharan blacks because they didn’t know many? For example, Albrecht Durer is in the running for most talented ever at drawing. But his drawing of a rhinoceros, while hugely influential from the 1500s into the 1800s, wasn’t very accurate because he’d never actually seen a rhinoceros because the only one in Europe sank in 1516 on its way to the Pope:

Durer’s conception of a rhinoceros as covered in armored plates like a medieval knight is pretty awesome, but, technically speaking, it’s not as accurate as his drawings of European animals, such as his young hare:

 
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  1. JimB says:

    If you want your heros depicted in fine art, first you have to establish a civilization capable of fine arts.

    • Agree: Arclight, lhtness
    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @AnotherDad
  2. Madeline says:

    Ovid does say that Andromeda was black (had dark skin), but that’s no different from Homer saying Achilles had blonde hair. Or is it?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  3. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    So all the European Persian and middle eastern artists going back 6,000 years are racist according to the Hebe B C. So what else is new?

  4. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Queen of Sheba never existed nor did Solomon David Saul Moses Abraham Lot and the rest of the fairy tale characters in the collection of myths and fables known as the Old Testament.

    Queen of Sheba is a myth like the little mermaid Wendy of Peter Pan sleeping beauty Snow White raggedy Ann Zeus Juno Venus and other fictional characters.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Kyle
    , @AnonAndOn
    , @Precious
  5. This is mess is so big, and so deep and so tall, we cannot pick it up. There is no way at all!

  6. bgates says:

    That’s silly. I can think of lots of beautiful, powerful black-skinned women from myth and history: Julius Caesar, Thor, Aristotle, Mohammed….

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Rufus
  7. ChrisZ says:

    Professor McGrath? Any relation to Titania? Her comment that Andromeda’s race is “clear as mud” is worthy of an anti-SJW satirist.

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  8. bomag says:
    @Anon

    Next you’ll be telling us Wakanda is fake.

    Just the kind of person getting smoked out here…

  9. anon1 says:

    Watched this BBC program tonight about Queen Victoria. It seemed like every second or third Briton in the 19th century was black.

    Or so the BBC says………

    All i know is that a half century after her death Britain was 99.81% white.

  10. My local polling place is full of pictures that look like this: Black Jesus

    I think the little old ladies who meet here for bingo night like Jesus for more than Biblical reasons, but I’m not judging.

    I’d claim that “Other people made a painting and now I for some reason can’t make my own painting” is one of the stupider things the left claims, but it’s really quite par for the course.

    Why people don’t realize this is obvious bullshit, though, I don’t know.

  11. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    If not for the West, blacks would still be living in huts.

  12. Unacknowledged source material for that Japanese history book.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  13. Rufus says:
    @bgates

    Careful with the objectification of black bodies bro…that’s racist !

  14. Escher says:

    Way to go BBC. Not like there are other more important topics to report on.
    By the way, interesting how the Khashoggi case has suddenly disappeared from all news outlets.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  15. Oprah and Serena are big, powerful black women. Their beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Me, I must have something in my eye.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @anonymous
  16. Kyle says:

    So were there ever tigers in Japan? That’s fascinating.

    • Replies: @üeljang
  17. Kyle says:
    @Anon

    If Moses never existed then Joseph must have been real right?

  18. DuanDiRen says:

    Glad to help Ms Galer out:

    The depictions of strong, beautiful black women were published, to great commercial success, about half a century ago, in the Flashman series. Historically accurate, hilariously entertaining, and remarkably critical of the British Imperial project.

    Yet for some reason, I have a feeling that if I were to suggest these novels to my kid’s school library, they would not be acquired.

    • Replies: @songbird
  19. Got to agree. Incredibly stupid article. Race-bait click-bait. The horrors of Western art consist of its depiction of two non-existent figures, one from Greek myth and one from Hebrew, neither of which culture is African.

    You see, the BBC and all its liberals are exactly like you. Always with the race-baiting it is. It doesn’t matter if you’re a racist or an anti-racist. You are both exactly the same. Because you broach the topic. Once you have broached the topic, on whatever side you choose, you are doing the owner’s bidding, and your self and all the rest of us a severe disservice.

    If you don’t understand how ID politics actually works, talk amongst yourself, because you don’t deserve human company.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  20. Arclight says:

    I guess that’s artistic license – like re-imagining a key founding father as a plucky person of color?

    • Agree: ic1000
  21. @anon1

    ‘…All i know is that a half century after her death Britain was 99.81% white…’

    And you still deny it was genocide.

  22. @Escher

    ‘…By the way, interesting how the Khashoggi case has suddenly disappeared from all news outlets.’

    I take it Saudi Arabia was blackmailed into agreeing to whatever she was being blackmailed into agreeing to.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  23. AnonAndOn says:
    @Anon

    Queen of Sheba never existed nor did Solomon David Saul Moses Abraham Lot and the rest of the fairy tale characters in the collection of myths and fables known as the Old Testament.

    We have some scant evidence of David, but he seems to have been some sort of bandit king rather than the regal figure of Biblical lore.

    • Replies: @Anon
  24. Sheesh, they get an entire mythology explicitly devoted just for and by them (Wakanda, Black Panther, etc), with tons of cool gadgets and stuff, and its not good enough for them.

    What about all the art work devoted to 13th century king Mansa Musa of Mali, Guinea,? One of the wealthiest kings of all time? Can’t they settle for actual art work that depicts Sub-Saharan African historical personages?

    Why does it seem that they are always trying to angle for inclusion among White Western History? Why, why, why? If being part of Whitey’s culture is so racist, one would think that consistency would be called for, and that they’d prefer not to be included among Western mythology, history, etc.

    Why?

  25. Wilkey says:

    White women aren’t qualified to represent mythological characters from European fairy tales, but Sophie Okonedo is totally qualified to play the real, actual, historical Queen Margaret of Anjou; and Gemma Chan and Adrian Lester totally could have served in the court of the real, actual, historical Queen Mary. Oh, and the (fictional) Queen Guinevere totally probably looked like Angel Coulby.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  26. Wilkey says:
    @anon1

    The new Mary Poppins sequel, set in mid-1930s London, has at least half a dozen separate black characters with at least minor speaking roles. There are probably more blacks in the movie than there were in actual 1930s London.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  27. @Wilkey

    Just give it up. White people don’t exist. Never did.

  28. @Wilkey

    I noticed this with Mary, Queen of Scots. There was a main black character in the court in London, and one of the Queen’s handmaidens was an Asian woman. And there were multiple black characters here and there among crowds, among the ladies in waiting, etc.

    I knew about the BBC’s new approach to historical casting, and I also remember seeing similar things in adverts for films like King Arthur and Robin Hood that came out recently. I suppose Mary Poppins doing it too is no surprise. Both the British media industry (the chosenites are vastly overrepresented) and Challahwood have begun the full scale propoganda retconning of our history. What do you mean changing demographics? Britain has always been multicultural. How long before censuses that mention race, history books on the subject, etc. are destroyed/banned and all evidence of Britain’s actual racial past is destroyed? Maybe that will be in the distant future, but surely the next step will be claiming that older films and TV shows that depict Britain in the past as all-white are racist and will be systematically removed from repeat airings, references in the media, noteworthy collections, etc.

    Unless we fight back. But will we?

    • Replies: @JMS
    , @Ganderson
  29. @obwandiyag

    There is no “racism”. It’s a Jewish invention, a rhetorical device meant to trigger a psychological response to associate the stimuli with bad thoughts that must be immediately shut down, in oneself or others. The first step to liberation and taking back our countries is refusing to acknowledge it as a thing. What liberals call “racism” is merely natural intra-group preference practiced by every single group on the planet and pattern noticing.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  30. Where are the beautiful, black-skinned women of history? Maybe they’re hanging out with the missing on-camera white males of the BBC, the Barely Bloke Corporation.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6611333/How-12-different-female-reporters-featured-18-times-three-BBC-News.html

  31. anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @gebrauchshund

    god I love this cartoon

  32. This is what happens when you import the wogs, rather than keeping them overseas.

  33. Tyrion 2 says:

    “Two mythological women, who some people thought were black, were sometimes painted as white.”

    Fascinating.

  34. Most of those commenting won’t read the article, so they’ll miss what are actually the main critiques of her article:

    1. The assumption that art automatically means western art. The Ethiopian mosaics and the Bini bronzes, for example, adopted the same “ethnicisation” of art that the Europeans pulled.

    2. Unless it’s a portrait, art is not meant to be “accurate”, and then, not even portraits–“warts and all”, anyone? Does anyone really expect accurate history from any of David’s martial paintings?

    That said, I can excuse her. She’s either acting out her resentment of white fragility or she’s found herself a chocolate sausage, and all she thinks of now is paying homage.

  35. Lurker says:
    @JimB

    And then . . . . you have to keep hold of that civilization.

    • Replies: @JimB
  36. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    I know this sounds crazy, but hear me out. What if artists who lived hundreds of years ago in a world of ethnically homogeneous kingdoms and city-states without access to cheap intercontinental flights and Google Image Search painted characters as white because they weren’t really sure what non-whites looked like?

    Similarly, if an ancient Greek said somebody had dark skin, it might be dark relative to the Greek average, but not dark like a Sudanese.

    Another interesting question that never occurs to Smith Galer is why, if white male artists were so bent on whitewashing black female mythical figures, did they never genderwash them as well? Why were Brunhild and Penthesilea never depicted as men? It’s kind of like how transgenderism is a thing, but transracialism isn’t, even though the line between genders is way more clear cut than the line between races.

    You know what? I give up. If you can’t beat’em, join’em. So long iSteve comments section! I’m off to pen a lengthy think piece for the Beeb excoriating Akira Kurosawa’s cultural appropriation of Shakespeare, Russian literature, Film Noir, and American crime fiction. That’s how this whole thing works, right?

  37. El Dato says:
    @Colin Wright

    Poor Saudi Arabia, getting blackmailed? What would be the pressure points? Burning Holy Books???

    More like “it’s getting toned down” because we don’t want to endanger all those jobs in the defense “industry” (more like, state-funded make-work schemes, right?)

    Best take:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/11/05/why-the-saudi-us-crisis-will-pass/

    Here’s the latest. RT’s search bar is full-on retarded, but one can actually get something by passing through Google.

    https://www.rt.com/trends/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-turkey/

  38. Precious says:
    @Anon

    Queen of Sheba never existed nor did Solomon David Saul Moses Abraham Lot and the rest of the fairy tale characters in the collection of myths and fables known as the Old Testament.

    If Moses didn’t exist, then who came up with the ten commandments?

    If Solomon didn’t exist, then who built the first temple of Jerusalem?

    If Abraham didn’t exist, then who was the forefather of the Jews?

    Did you ever think any of this through?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @J.Ross
    , @Anon
  39. NickG says:

    It could be anywhere in Africa, even India, these vague places, sunburnt places at either end of the Earth. Ethiopia can almost be like a magic land where strange things happen.

    Such as Wakakanda.

  40. A Chinese depiction of a European sailor

    A somewhat more realistic depiction, from Japan, of some Westerners and an African.

  41. üeljang says:
    @Kyle

    “So were there ever tigers in Japan?”

    No. Tigers have never lived in the wild in Japan. They do have a word for the animal in the Japanese language, though: tora.

    Tigers have lived in the Korean Peninsula, however. The standard name for them in modern Korean is horang-i, which is most likely from Chinese hǔláng (literally, “tiger & wolf”; also used in a descriptive sense as “fierce” or as a metaphor for anyone or anything considered to be fierce, vicious, and cruel). They also may be called beom (a word that can refer generically to any of a number of Panthera wildcats) or, in Korean babytalk, eoheung-i (literally, “growl-ie, roar-ie”). However, it is unclear how many of the beasts (if any) may still survive on the Korean Peninsula at present.

    The standard Manchu name for the tiger was taskha (also transcribed as tasha, but this should be read as tas-ha, and not as ta-sha).

  42. @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Utter bullshit casuistry. The people on here wang on about how they hate this race and that race and the people on the other side wang on about how they hate those people who hate this race and that race. And then our owners get what they want. Because as long as nobody is screaming about where de money went, everything is hunky-dory. Nobody in power cares in the least which side is right or wins. They want people like you to go on and on justifying your silly prejudices instead of demanding more money. O, I give up. You are obviously to stupid to understand this simple key concept.

  43. Logan says:

    Sheba was most likely in South Arabia. This doesn’t mean its Queen could not have been “black,” as empires rose and fell over the centuries that included both sides of the Red Sea.

    Andromeda by Abraham van Diepenbeeck (1655) appear to show a woman with stereotypical white features and hair, but with dark skin.

    Many Ethiopians do have very “white” features with very dark skin. I have no idea what texture their “natural” hair might have.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  44. JMS says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    “How long before censuses that mention race, history books on the subject, etc. are destroyed/banned and all evidence of Britain’s actual racial past is destroyed? ”

    The censorship campaign has already begun here in the USA.

    Amazon stoped selling copies of a documentary called ‘Ice Age Columbus’. Too many Whites were learning about the presence of Whites in North America during amcient times.

    The Battle to preserve History is fully in motion. The internet functions as a samzidat publishing platform.

  45. JMS says:

    The Japanese drawing of Washington may be benign.

    In some Asian cultures it is a common folk belief and torturing animals before killing and eating them for food makes them taste better.

  46. @Logan

    The Emperor Haile Selassie looked like he was half sub-Saharan African / half Semite, which fits with the Abyssinian origin story that they were descended from the son of the Queen of Sheba (identified with Yemen) who migrated to Ethiopia.

    In 1981 I met the daughter of the late Emperor’s ambassador to the United States. She was quite possibly the most beautiful girl at UCLA, which is saying something.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    , @JimB
    , @Sean
  47. Unzerker says:

    Isn’t the most reasonable answer for Renaissance artist depicting Andromena as a white woman, the lack of black models in Europe during this time? Paintings started to become very realistic and just painting what you think a black person would look like wasn’t acceptable anymore.

  48. JimB says:
    @Lurker

    Otherwise, Michaelangelo’s David will be spraypainted black by the first African curator of the Galleria dell’Accademia in Italy.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @JimB
  49. Where Are All the Beautiful, Powerful, Black-Skinned Females from Mythology and History?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  50. @obwandiyag

    They want people like you to go on and on justifying your silly prejudices instead of demanding more money.

    There’s nothing silly about my prejudices. And I’m more interested in earning money rather than demanding it – which is possibly a foreign concept to you.

  51. @JimB

    If you want your heros depicted in fine art, first you have to establish a civilization capable of fine arts.

    This is the gist of this whine.

    We live in a great civilization that white people built. Ergo the heroes–and the villians for that matter–of our stories are almost exclusively white. Some other civilized peoples–Persians, Indians, Chinese–have there own stories and heroes. Blacks–sub-saharan blacks–never did much of anything and whatever stories they have, no one is much interested. So … whine.

    At root it’s the golfocaust whine … you’re not including me! you’re not including me!

    • Replies: @JimB
  52. Ganderson says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    I don’t mind (as much) colorblind casting on the stage- theater is an unrealistic medium- it’s easier to imagine a black King Arthur in Camelot, or rather forget that the actor in question is black. Harder to do in the movies, though. I’d like to do a musical about the civil rights movement- call it “I Have A Dream”, or “Martin” with an all white cast. Should be easy to get backing for that, no? Paul Rudd as King?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  53. Brutusale says:
    @International Jew

    Here’s the one you’re looking for, from the BBC itself:

    • Replies: @DFH
  54. songbird says:

    The Japanese drew really interesting pictures of the men in Commodore Perry’s fleet. Somewhat hairy and racially insensitive.

    It is a matter of speculation whether the artists actually saw the men or not.

  55. Almost as bad as how people who believe they are white erased the accomplishments of all the black albert einstein types.

  56. If Andromeda were black, then when Athena made her a constellation, we wouldn’t have been able to see her in the night sky… I kid, I kid… Perhaps she was a Leucethiopian, or White Ethiopian. Her father Cepheus was an Argive, while her mother Cassiopeia was from Tel Aviv, where Andromeda was chained up.

    The Japanese book shows Americans. Twitter guy is reliable.

  57. songbird says:
    @DuanDiRen

    Out of curiosity from reading Flashman, I read “Tom Brown’s School Days “, and was quite amused to find the word “nigger” in it. Especially, since it is otherwise preachy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  58. songbird says:
    @anon1

    I watched “Victoria” for probably only about a minute, and saw a cliched slavery scene with an African in chains. Of course, “Downton Abbey” had that interracial love story.

    Then there was that Indian show they promoted big time. Never saw it, but was amused by the irony of a show about British colonialism in India.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  59. Truth says:

    So the tigers in Pennsylvania went extinct in the 19th century?

  60. JimB says:
    @Steve Sailer

    There are many Ethiopian women with amazing figures and beautiful faces. I believe the women are the main reason why imperial slacker Italy made Ethiopia a colony.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  61. @obwandiyag

    They want people like you to go on and on justifying your silly prejudices instead of demanding more money. O, I give up. You are obviously to stupid to understand this simple key concept.

    I think the Medium is wrong that “racism” is just in-group preference. There is an earlier definition of “racism” that entails actively having it in for some other group. But he’s 95% right. Mostly people just enjoy being with their own kind. We get pleasure out of having people around who share our race, language, religion, “culture”–our holidays, traditions, mores and morals. That’s just “comfortable”. But beyond that it specifically builds the social trust that allows a society to function at a high level.

    The overwhelmingly white Christian America of my birth was simply a nicer, more pleasant place than the bickering, hectoring, lecturing “multicultural” America of today. It was just better.

    Your statement in contrast is just wrong. “More money” is nice but it’s hardly everything. I’d happily trade the extra “prosperity”–income level–of America today to recover the normatively white America i grew up in. Having your own nation is the most important thing.

    What i detest about our elites is not primarily their parasitic looting. Elites loot and don’t produce squat–what else is new? It’s that their are looting white America, and genociding our nation.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  62. @Madeline

    Yep, she’s right about Andromeda. It’s never clear what all these references to “Aethiopia” entail beyond being notably darker people than the Greeks. But it’s crystal clear Andromeda wouldn’t be a typical white girl.

    Personally i’m all for getting this right. Let us pressure Hollywood to bring to the screen this story of a beautiful dark skinned princess whose mother enrages the sea God who then chains the maiden naked to a rock, to be raped by a sea monster. (Repeated long lingering shots on her struggling in vain to get free, while the dark monster approaches.) But the maiden is rescued–and instead taken and enjoyed–by a white guy … wearing a MAGA hat.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  63. Lurker says:
    @JimB

    And then later used as a doorstop at his club.

  64. JimB says:
    @AnotherDad

    Blacks–sub-saharan blacks–never did much of anything and whatever stories they have, no one is much interested. So … whine

    Black narcissism can’t accept the historic reality that European and Arabic colonialism abruptly pulled their race out of its natural state of savagery. They must believe a woke phantasy like Wakanda and blame their group troubles and deficiencies on white privilege.

  65. JimB says:
    @JimB

    Future black artists will be put in charge of coloring all the white people in old masters black. Blackwashing culture will become the main preoccupation of the coming tinpot black elite.

  66. Not to worry, Google is clearing up this unjust historical deficit with its reparations art masterpiece “The Midnight Plagiarist”:

    Martin Luther King Jr. Day 2019

  67. @AnotherDad

    You prove my point. You are clearly too stupid to get what I am talking about. You must live in some pathetic self-contained bubble or something. Suggestion: don’t write. It just makes you look stupid.

  68. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird

    The word wasn’t offensive before the 1960s/70s. That book was published a century earlier.

  69. @Precious

    ‘If Moses didn’t exist, then who came up with the ten commandments?’

    The people who wrote the Old Testament in the sixth to the second centuries BC.

    ‘If Solomon didn’t exist, then who built the first temple of Jerusalem?’

    The first temple didn’t exist. Ergo, no one built it.

    ‘If Abraham didn’t exist, then who was the forefather of the Jews?’

    That would depend on which Jew we’re talking about. They’re no more all from the same ancestor than all Christians are.

    ‘Did you ever think any of this through?’

    Did you ever reflect you might as well believe in King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table?

    • Replies: @Precious
  70. @obwandiyag

    ‘…You are obviously to stupid to understand this simple key concept.’

    You’re priceless. You really do call someone stupid in every post — and you’re one of the most dim-witted posters here.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  71. @JimB

    ‘I believe the women are the main reason why imperial slacker Italy made Ethiopia a colony.’

    There were also the details that (a) everywhere else had already been taken, and (b) the Italians felt the need to wipe out the humiliation of their 1894 defeat at Adowa.

    …It’d be another dubious Italian military achievement. They suffered the largest defeat ever inflicted on a white power by subsaharan Africans. Adowa made Isandlwana look like a skirmish.

  72. Wilkey says:
    @Ganderson

    Colorblind casting on stage is more common, yes, and pretty easy to accept. It’s one thing to have one or three black actors in stage productions in random white roles, but I’ve noticed an increasing number of stage productions, especially ones set in England, where half the cast is black. And it’s clearly not a case of “this guy makes a better Richard III than all the white guys who auditioned,” so much as making half the cast black in order to make a political point.

    The director for “Mary, Queen of Scots” has worked primarily on stage, not film, which I guess maybe is why she(?) thought she could get away with placing racial minorities in jobs they never would have had in real life. I have no intention of ever watching such movies. The reality is that, with rare exception, you want (and expect – and deserve) greater realism in a film production than a stage production. There’s no shortage of talented white actors to fill the appropriate roles, especially for glamor productions like Shakespeare.

    The irony is that we get all sorts of movies like “Schindler’s List” and “Twelve Years A Slave” shoved in our faces, telling us that we have to “own up to our history,” while in the meantime we are told that we are not allowed to see the less odious parts of our history portrayed accurately. The next time a “Schindler’s List” type movie comes out with non-race neutral casting we all need to demand to know why the Nazis are all played by white cisgender men.

    One exception to all this madness is Peter Jackson. Jackson produced the entire mythological Lord of the Rings Trilogy without a single non-white actor (other than perhaps as Orcs). When they twisted his arm to forced him to include blacks in The Hobbit Trilogy he seems to have slipped them in to as little of the film as he possibly could.

    Anyway, to ramble on, we had “The Empire Strikes Back” on for the kids yesterday, and one thing I noticed (and absolutely loved) is how real the casting was. All of the combat roles, on both sides, were (gasp!) filled by men (white men, no less) – just like they would have been in any real combat situation. In the scenes on Hoth there are some women in the Rebel Command Center, but all of the pilots, all of the flight deck personnel, and all of the soldiers out in the snow…are white men. It was glorious. And something we’ll rarely (if ever) get to see again in our lifetimes.

  73. J.Ross says: • Website

    You have to go to details (like the shoulder horn or the scalloping patterns) before Durer’s rhino isn’t pretty good; at a glance it could be from a photo. He got the pear-shaped head right, and that’s arguably harder than the armor because it’s just wierd and hard to analogize.
    The reason the art of other cultures never got into realism amounts to the same as why Henry Ford isn’t Chinese: those guys had the talent but did not want to anger the family or attract government attention. In Japanese art a more important personage would be depicted as much physically larger, and it was understood that this wasn’t “real.”

  74. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Precious

    Okay so if Thor isn’t real then why are there no frost giants around?
    Other people, who may have had other purposes, but who for various practical reasons never became culture heroes, made what was made, except where they made it up. Jewish propheteering is all about “discovering” unsuspected glories and promises from the past. Except for the “first temple,” which never existed. How often are Babylonians properly credited for giving Jews a significant chunk of their systems? Never. Babylonians are the bad guys.

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  75. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But how dark was she?

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/shades-of-pale/

    But SLC24A5 is not like that: there is one sweeping variant, not several regional ones, as you’d expect if the true story is vitamin D. To me, this suggests that a special advantage is conferred by this specific mutation, not just by a reduction in function. That, and the fact that it seems to have been favored by selection in places like the Ethiopian plateau, which have plenty of UV.

    It could be that paleness itself really is an advantage in low-UV areas like northern Europe, and that the common SLC24A5 mutation has a double advantage, extra vitamin D production and something else, which might explain why it has been one of the mostly strongly selected alleles in recent human history

  76. Precious says:
    @J.Ross

    Okay so if Thor isn’t real then why are there no frost giants around?

    Because human-proportioned legs can’t support the weight of human beings when they increase in mass to giant size due to the square-cube law, so any giants would be immobile and die of starvation before wheel chairs were invented. It is an evolutionary dead end with or without Thor. Next question!

    Other people… made what was made, except where they made it up

    Like you making up history?

    Except for the “first temple,” which never existed.

    ^Fake history. The problem with fake history Ross, is that no one thinks it through. Saying Moses didn’t exist but someone else existed who brought the ten commandments is just tacitly admitting the Bible is a historical record while maintaining the facade the Bible isn’t history.

    How often are Babylonians properly credited for giving Jews a significant chunk of their systems?

    Often enough since they were the dominant empire for some time and it was inevitable that they would influence the Jews. And there is some overlap between Hammurabi’s Code and the Ten Commandments. But no one would argue the Babylonians were the influence for the First Commandment.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  77. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Precious

    10 commandments was plagiarized from the Code of Hammurabi

    Someone built the Temple of Jerusalem that existed during the period of Roman colonization. There is no evidence whatsoever it was built by some one named Solomon. The wailing/ western wall the modern Jews worship is not part of an ancient temple or building. It’s the remnants of a retaining wall built to stabilize the hill on which the Roman fort was located.

    There must have been some ancestors of Jews 8 – 6 thousand years ago but Abraham and the entire Old Testament is completely and entirely fictious. Jewish biblical scholars contend that the entire Moses story is fiction.

    The Egyptians, Sumerians Phoenicians and Mesopotamian kept meticulous records. None of those civilizations have any mention of Jews Hebrews or Israelites.

    It’s all fiction. It only became popular because of the sex pornography murder massacre and violence when books were so expensive there was nothing else to read.

    • Replies: @Precious
  78. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Andromeda, like Zeus and the rest of the Greek Roman myths never existed. So why argue about her skin shade?

  79. @Colin Wright

    Ooh. Scintillating riposte. I am duly chastised by your massive intellect and rapier wit!

    Hardeharhar. You unfunny cretin, you wouldn’t know humor if you stepped in it.

  80. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Precious

    Like you, I enjoy fiction. I like Jane Austen, Evelyn Waugh Tolstoy Thackeray Len Deighton and early John Le Carrie. Enjoy your fiction. I’ll enjoy mine.

    • Replies: @Precious
  81. Precious says:
    @Colin Wright

    The people who wrote the Old Testament in the sixth to the second centuries BC.

    Some would say your dates are way too late and Moses is one of those writers.

    The first temple didn’t exist. Ergo, no one built it.

    ^Fake history.

    That would depend on which Jew we’re talking about. They’re no more all from the same ancestor than all Christians are.

    So you admit Abraham did exist and some of the Jews are his descendants by blood?

    Did you ever reflect you might as well believe in King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table?

    ^Fake comparison. Next question!

  82. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird

    I’ve read all the Flashman books. I highly recommend them

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  83. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Hate begets hate. You hate me so I’ll hate you. You’re the second most most hateful person on this site.

    As far as hating Whites goes, its

    1 Tiny Duck
    2 you
    3 Thomm
    4 Jeff Stryker

    You hate us so don’t be all sanctimonious when we don’t love you and don’t believe your hateful BS.

  84. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Precious

    Because Thor, like Abraham, Joseph, Moses David, Solomon and the rest are all myths.

    Abraham, the original dead beat Dad. Sarah, has a baby with her brother husband Abraham when she was 100 years old. God, who sent down Angels to kill all the toddler and baby Egyptian boys.

    • Replies: @Precious
  85. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonAndOn

    The only written evidence of the ancient Hebrews is the word Haibru that meant nomad bandits of unknown religion.

    Too bad paper and printing were so expensive 1450 to 1850. 400 years of wanking and wallowing in OT sex pornography murder and massacre is bound to adversely affect western man.

  86. Precious says:
    @Anon

    Like you, I enjoy fiction.

    Actually, I enjoy history.

    I like Jane Austen, Evelyn Waugh Tolstoy Thackeray Len Deighton and early John Le Carrie.

    I don’t care.

    Enjoy your fiction.

    I will continue to enjoy history instead.

  87. Precious says:
    @Anon

    Because Thor, like Abraham, Joseph, Moses David, Solomon and the rest are all myths.

    ^One of these is not like the others.

    Abraham, the original dead beat Dad. Sarah, has a baby with her brother husband Abraham when she was 100 years old.

    Correction, Abraham was 100 years old, not Sarah.

    God, who sent down Angels to kill all the toddler and baby Egyptian boys.

    ^Not an argument.

  88. anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Haha!! That applies to hillbilly cracker trash too.

  89. Precious says:
    @Anon

    10 commandments was plagiarized from the Code of Hammurabi

    Wrong, nowhere in the Code of Hammurabi is there anything like this:

    You shall have no other Gods but me.

    Someone built the Temple of Jerusalem that existed during the period of Roman colonization. There is no evidence whatsoever it was built by some one named Solomon.

    I was talking about the first temple, not the second or third, depending on how you count.

    There must have been some ancestors of Jews 8 – 6 thousand years ago but Abraham and the entire Old Testament is completely and entirely fictious.

    Unsupported assertion. But nice to see you admit there had to have been someone starting it even if it wasn’t Abraham.

    Jewish biblical scholars contend that the entire Moses story is fiction.

    Many do, but not all.

    The Egyptians, Sumerians Phoenicians and Mesopotamian kept meticulous records.

    Too bad we don’t have them all now.

    It’s all fiction. It only became popular because of the sex pornography murder massacre and violence when books were so expensive there was nothing else to read.

    ^Historical ignorance. Most people couldn’t read before the printing press.

  90. @AnotherDad

    “But the maiden is rescued–and instead taken and enjoyed–by a white guy … wearing a MAGA hat.

    Boy, you ain’t right!

  91. @songbird

    Downton Abbey. Yuck. I only watched it once and they had a homo kissing scene. didn’t go back for more.

  92. @Anon

    I’ve read all the Flashman books.

    I am working on it. I got all 12 books in good condition (some hardback) off ebay for about $70.

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