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From the BBC:

Rochdale grooming gang member complains over treatment in Britain

Published 8 hours ago

A man who was part of a grooming gang which preyed on vulnerable young girls has complained about his treatment in Britain at an immigration hearing.

Adil Khan, 51, said he was “surviving” on benefits at a tribunal hearing to deport him back to Pakistan.

Khan and fellow gang member Qari Abdul Rauf, 52, were jailed in 2012 for running a child sexual exploitation ring in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.

Both men are appealing against the decision to deport them.

Khan and Rauf, who had dual UK-Pakistani citizenship, have previously been told they are to be sent back to Pakistan for the public good after they were convicted of a catalogue of serious sex offences.

Khan got one girl, 13, pregnant but denied he was the father, then met another girl, 15, and trafficked her to others using violence when she complained.

He was sentenced to eight years in 2012 and released on licence four years later.

So, he’s still not deported 5 years later.

At the immigration tribunal hearing to discuss his case, Khan complained about having no rights in the UK.

Speaking through a Mirpuri translator, he said: “But I cannot exercise any rights in this country as an individual. I cannot do anything for my family, I’m just surviving on my son’s benefits.

“I cannot take my son to school if it is raining, we cannot afford a taxi.

“The police informed me about a month ago that they have cancelled my driver’s licence, according to the Home Office instructions.”

Judge Nehar Bird, chairing the hearing, told Khan the tribunal was “to decide whether the Home Office decision to deport you back to Pakistan is right or wrong, in law”.

Rauf, a father-of-five, trafficked a 15-year-old girl for sex, driving her to secluded areas to have sex with her in his taxi and ferry her to a flat in Rochdale where he and others also had sex with her.

He was jailed for six years and released in November 2014 after serving two years and six months of his sentence.

This guy is going on 7 years without being deported.

… The hearing was adjourned until 29 November.

Because why not?

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  1. How do the Jews treat the Palestinians of Israel?

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Troll: IHTG, AnotherDad
  2. “I cannot take my son to school if it is raining, we cannot afford a taxi.”

    1st World problem. You won’t have that problem back in the 3rd World, where you belong.

    This guy is going on 7 years without being deported.

    I wish I could say the US Government does any better. There are hard-core criminal illegal aliens from down south held in Alexandria, Louisiana. When Swift Air flies them home, many of them are frequent fliers. Without a serious border, what’s the point in deportation at all? Ron Unz, what say you?

  3. Trelane says:

    Jolly old England.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
  4. D. K. says:

    “This guy is going on 7 years without being deported.”

    How can they deport a U.K. citizen, for crimes that he committed after he was granted U.K. citizenship, absent fraud on his part in obtaining that citizenship? “Buyer’s remorse” is not actionable.

  5. “Western” elites are NOT ethno-masochists. They’re ethno-sadists.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @Jack D
  6. A nation too cowardly and weak to kill those who prey on its children is no nation at all.

    What else is there to say?

  7. @D. K.

    I can only assume that you’re being ironic.

    Citizenship by naturalisation can be revoked – for example, in Australia it used to require conviction of a criminal offence entailing more than 12 months in prison, but more recently (since 2007) it is effectively at the whim of the relevant minister political scumbag even for people who have not been convicted of anything.

    That would be under ss(1)(c) and (2)(c) of s34 of the Australian Citizenship Act 2007.

    All that’s required is that the relevant minister political scumbag is satisfied that it would be contrary to the public interest for the person to remain an Australian citizen.

    The main condition that prevents it from being entirely ‘on a whim’ is that the victim cannot be rendered stateless (ss(3)(b) of s34 of the same Act).

    But anyone who has so much as a vestigial claim on a second nationality (e.g., a birth nationality that they have given up) can have their Oz citizenship revoked if some political fuckbag ‘is satisfied’.

    • LOL: George
    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @sb
    , @Pericles
  8. Slave, Britannia!
    Britannia is now all slaves…
    England forever is depraved.

  9. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    die enlosung der britisherfrager is gonna be glassing. sad.

    meanwhile freest speech in europe is in its two highest IQ countries according to PISA, finland and estonia.

    • Replies: @Rob
  10. joe862 says:

    Where are the fathers? Guys like this should be publicly executed by the father and nobody should’ve seen anything.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Rosie
    , @Robby24
  11. Anonymous[177] • Disclaimer says:

    The administrative immigration (and welfare) law is now the equivalent of Church law, that is outside the secular state. Not only do the politicians have no say, the citizen voters have no say. You have no say. You can do nothing. The voters could vote 999-1 to expel him and it is meaningless. The Church of the Bureaucracy decides.

    Oh and “Speaking through a Mirpuri translator, he said”
    Can’t speak English. What the hell is he doing there?

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @guest007
    , @Forbes
    , @Rosie
  12. Lex says:

    You can probably get more jail time in UK for tweeting something.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  13. No deportation, cases like this call for swift execution.

  14. @D. K.

    You are right. Time to bring back public hanging.

  15. Polistra says:

    Right. When Haven Monahan and a bunch of frat boys [don’t] do it for a night to a college-age chick, it’s called gang rape. But when Sacred Immigrants do it for decades to children, it’s called grooming.

    • Agree: ben tillman, TWS, HammerJack
  16. Escher says:

    A Mirpuri translator was required during the hearing.

  17. It all hinges on legal issues and I doubt if there is a precedent that states that dual citizens may be deported to the other country in which they hold a citizenship.

    Does the United States deport its own citizens?

    Is the son of whom he speaks the product of the relationship with the 13 year old girl?

    Well, the UK is no longer bound to accept decisions from the European Court of Human Rights, so I guess it can do whatever it wants.

    Perhaps poor fellow could get a job as Prince Andrew’s chauffeur if he is given back his driver’s license.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  18. @Escher

    My impression is that the rest of Pakistan’s attitude is: “Hey, any other country out there we can unload some more Mirpuris upon?”

    • Replies: @George
  19. The West is totally defenseless.

    It’s amazing.

  20. Daniel H says:

    From Wikipedia on these Mirpuris.

    In the late 1950s and early 1960s, the Government of Pakistan planned the Mangla Dam, which was to be built in the Mirpur area. Several thousand people had to move. Coincidentally, Britain at that time needed cheap workers, mainly for textile factories as British workers had begun to become expensive due to rising wages. Up to 5,000 people from Mirpur (5% of the displaced)[6] left for Britain, and the displaced Mirpuris were given legal and financial assistance by the British contractor that built the dam.[7]

    Damn those rising wages, damn them. That will show them for ever thinking that white working class will ever share in the rising productivity. Sure, go ahead, let market forces raise your wages. We will show you, we will destroy your country, your life. So damn your rising wages.

  21. What is the point of jailing them in the first place. Why not just deport them after the trial?

  22. Daniel H says:

    And mind you that Khan is living off his son’s welfare benefits. His son’s benefits.

    Do these Pakis EVER get off welfare?

  23. @Daniel H

    See. Immigration is a labor issue, a working class issue, a union issue. All leftists ought to be against it. But they’re not.

  24. “This guy is going on 7 years without being deported.

    Because why not?”

    Because racism. UK is so very, very racist. He’s actually doing the island a favor by gracing them with his presence. All the lost diversity, equity, and inclusion he’s giving them with each passing day.

    How could the UK deport such a national treasure as this? And by the looks of it, they probably won’t as they realize that its to their advantage to remain true to the cause of diversity and stand firm vs racism.

  25. epebble says:

    Oh and “Speaking through a Mirpuri translator, he said”
    Can’t speak English. What the hell is he doing there?

    How did he get Citizenship without knowing some basic English? Even the Taxi drivers in Mirpur probably know survival English.

    Story of how Mirpur ended up in England:

    Methinks it is a legal ruse to add a filter in case he “speaks his mind” i.e. says something stupid (and thus incriminates himself). Pakistanis/Arabs/Muslims are capable of saying and doing things against their interest.

    Example 1: Pak PM says Taliban takeover of Afghanistan is “breaking the chains of slavery”

    Example 2: Pakistan ISI (Intelligence) Chief: ISI will Defeat America with the help of America

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  26. Rob says:

    “I cannot take my son to school if it is raining, we cannot afford a taxi.“

    Guys! Who wants to go in with me on starting a business buying umbrellas and selling them to Pakistanis currently and temporarily located in Britain?

    Don’t everyone try to open a competing business selling “raincoats”! What are those, anyway? Coats made of rain! How would that keep anyone dry? You’ll never make any £. Don’t even try!

    My other business idea? Sell coffee to the Brits. It’s like tea, but it works!

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  27. When you let women and homosexuals run your nation, your nation is done.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Rosie
  28. Khan, 51, said he was “surviving” on benefits…

    Khan and fellow gang member Qari Abdul Rauf…

    Qari Abdul Rauf = Furl Arab a quid. Lurid aqua barf.

    Judge Nehar Bird, chairing the hearing…

    Is this her? “Safeguarding” is her job!

    This probably is her, though the NYT used “he” in their story:

    Welcome to Britain, Mr Dogg: rapper is less gangsta, more pussycat, judge rules

  29. @Semi-Employed White Guy

    When you let women and homosexuals run your nation, your nation is done.

    True, dat…

    Watch out. We’re on our second Pennsylvanian president now.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  30. @obwandiyag

    See. Immigration is a labor issue, a working class issue, a union issue. All leftists ought to be against it. But they’re not.

    The road to absolute power is through identity politics.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
  31. Rob says:

    I kinda think that one has to have a reasonably high IQ to grok the value of free speech. Firstly, you have to realize that there are objective realities, not everything is a matter of opinion. Secondly, you have to realize that conventional wisdom can be wrong about it. Thirdly, you have to realize that different people have different interests. Not, I like reading anime, and you like lame stuff, but benefit from different things. Fourthly, you have to realize that though (you think) your team is on top right now, so you can silence the bad people, your team is a coalition, and chances are, you are not in the driver’s seat. Fifthly, you have to realize that, even though your team is in charge and you are in the driver’s seat, objective reality is still there, others have different interests, and if you do not recognize when you are wrong, someone else will end up in the driver’s seat or this thing you are in charge of will die.


    On the first, but what are progs wrong about? We believe in Science! Everything we talk about here. Race and crime, intelligence, and society. The blank slate. Negative population growth of the (actual) nation, the fact that who has babies matters. That immigrants distort the economy and make us (people with jobs or not a lot of capital) poorer both financially and in lifestyle. Immigration. That hurting the working class helps them in the long run, that we can have all the office jobs and R&D jobs and none of the factories.

    What are the cons wrong about? Women being naturally happy homemakers, isolated from family, and community, and dependent on a husband for all income. The GDP is the only measure of the health of the nation. Letting companies do whatever they like makes us better off. That criminalizing abortion will make anyone at all (who has a job and community) better off – that ship sailed. That the US is capable of waging war for Good. That vaccines do more harm than good. That coronavirus was just the flu bro. That pro sports are important. That Hispanic immigration was fine – they don’t like gays! That might have been David Brooks while he was flying a false flag. Is he still? I have trouble with what cons are wrong about, cuz I think of us, and people here are mostly wrong about coronavirus and jews. Expanding to religious cons- that atheists are immoral, that the bible is true. That evolution is false. That their way is best – I’ll concede that it may be best for them, but the children of fundamentalists usually soften considerably, and if they can’t keep their kids in the fold. That society was not oppressive for women. All the hatred of gays. That everything is about Israel. The big one, for cons, has got to be that climate change is a myth or benign. In general, cons are wrong on businesses being unregulated as the beginning of Utopia. Cons (not us) are wrong on bootstrapping and personal responsibility being enough to overcome any societal flaws. That we do not need industries to replace what we lost to China -ag, and oil will make us (or at least everyone who matters) rich. That we can afford a trillion-dollar military – that it is safe to have one, given how far we have declined the demographic realities that are coming. South Africa dismantled its nuclear weapons before blacks could have them. We need to do the same.

    I know I had a lot longer list for cons. But by magnitude, the progs will kill America. Probably already have. At best, a different, much worse (but with better restaurants!) nation will wear America’s skin and shamble on… It’s hard to hate conservatives, as they have so little power, but the power they have they use only for evil. As I say, I’m a liberal, I just recognize hbd and evolution. I’m hoping progressives come to Jesus on biology.

    Both sides are wrong that society does not need to be cultivated. That hurting the demographics who support the other side helps them. That compromise and deals are unethical. That courts should write law. Both sides are wrong to let their politicians be so crooked. Both sides are wrong in letting monopolies flourish, so long as their politicians get board gigs when they cash in their favors.

    But who could have different interests? We all benefit from a strong economy! The inability of seemingly anyone to realize that capital and labor have divergent interests is astounding. The reasons for this are mysterious and beyond the knowings of men who do not even have MBAs or economics masters. People get a 401(k) and think rising stock prices are the only thing that matters. But when the government will not let the market fall… then the markets do not tell you if the economy is strong. Do you really think the fact that WD-40 Company (to take a lame example we can all be objective about, I hope) can fight off competitors (who may not exist yet) when it does not own a factory? They do all their manufacturing through contracts. Does the stock market think no Chinaman is going to figure out branding? That they won’t be undercut on both price and quality at the same time? Does anyone think that America is going to be the coolest country when it is mostly Hispanics, lots of blacks, and many fewer whites? When we are not rich, will we still be cool?

    Reality? What reality? China being the hyperpower is going to be a huge shock. But the cake is baked. If we were reality-based, we would do useful stuff while we can. Develop thorium reactors. Pay down the national debt, build von Neumann machines – an economy that builds itself – that would keep us on top forever. But nope, Republicans cut taxes and borrow money from China, China knows they’ll never get paid back, but they’ll have our industry.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @anon
  32. SafeNow says:

    “I cannot take my son to school if it is raining, we cannot afford a taxi.”

    Buy an umbrella. It’s a one-time purchase, because they are reusable. And, England is a country of umbrellas; umbrella = assimilation. It’s telling that it would never occur to this guy that when it rains, you open an umbrella; or he rejects the assimilation.

    • Replies: @Alden
  33. @D. K.

    What should be done to him–execution–would render your point moot.

  34. @Reg Cæsar

    The road to absolute power is through identity politics.

    Yes, the unions succumbed to it just like every other institution.

  35. @Sick of Orcs

    This is a country more concerned with the feelings of muslim rapists than the protection of their own daughters. Though admittedly the victims aren’t the daughters of the elite.

    • Replies: @Whereismyhandle
  36. Polistra says:

    people here are mostly wrong about coronavirus and jews.

    Most of the people here are Jewish, so does that mean we all have coronavirus? Or do you mean that coronavirus isn’t actually a threat but Jews are? Or vice versa? Sorry, your meaning is unclear.

    • Replies: @Rob
  37. El Dato says:

    He could self-identify as “she” to get some help from the feminists.

    It would be terrifying for a woman to be deported to Pakistan only to be burq’ad there and told what to do.

  38. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:

    Surely, this case gives the lie to the oft repeated claims by The Economist that massive uncontrolled third world immigration ‘benefits’ Britain.

    All this nonce* ever did was drive a taxi – likely any tax he paid into the system was trivial. But without a shadow of a doubt, just the legal fees alone attributable to this louse run into the hundreds of thousands of pounds at the very least. Just think of it this way – a good number of working class Anglo Saxon men must wake up early on cold, wet mornings, slave in some pretty demanding unpleasant jobs *solely* to support this chomo.

    One characteristic which seems common to the dusky peoples of the world is shamelessness.
    As the conquistadors used to say “how can you trust a man he cannot blush?”.

    *A child sex offender.

  39. Anonymous[859] • Disclaimer says:

    The fact is that the modern left has replaced ‘anti capitalism’ with ‘anti whiteism’ as its great defining cause.

    • Agree: Alden
  40. D. K. says:

    “I can only assume that you’re being ironic.”

    Your country and the United Kingdom are among the small number of recent outliers:


    Over the past decade, the United Kingdom has deprived an increasing number of British subjects of their citizenship. This policy, known as “denaturalization,” has been applied with particular harshness in cases where foreign-born subjects have been accused of terrorist activity. The increase is part of a global trend. In recent years, Canada, Australia, France, and the Netherlands have either debated or enacted denaturalization statutes. But Britain remains an outlier among Western democracies. Since 2006, the United Kingdom home secretary has revoked the citizenship of at least 373 Britons, of whom at least 53 have had alleged links to terrorism. This is more than the total number of revocations by Canada, France, Australia, and Netherlands combined. These developments are troubling, as the right to be secure in one’s citizenship has been a cornerstone of the postwar European liberal political order, and of the international community’s commitment to human rights.


    In the United States, as I alluded to, naturalization only may be revoked for fraud or other illegality in its procurement, not for crimes subsequently committed by naturalized citizens:

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Some Guy
    , @gandydancer
  41. @Rob

    The vicious old bugger failed to adopt British national dress, a pair of wellies, black or green according to caste. Probably still slobs about in flipflops and pyjamas.
    In Sheffield it rains more days than it doesn’t. I’m amazed the English there ever managed to get their kids to school.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Graham
  42. sb says:

    At Australian naturalisation the applicant swears/affirms to obey Australian law.
    Is it too much to ask that people be kept to their promises ?

    Do you have anyone in mind who has been unfairly deprived of Australian citizenship ?
    I’m always surprised at some of the publicised stories of people who aren’t deported

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Anon
  43. LondonBob says:
    @D. K.

    Shamima Begum had her citizenship revoked, I remember some of the usual suspects, rightly, fretting at the precedent this set that a born British national could have their citizenship stripped. She couldn’t be made stateless, but as her parents were Bangladeshi it was argued she wasn’t made stateless as she could gain citizenship there.

  44. @Malcolm X-Lax

    There are no victims.

    These whores go voluntarily. Nobody kicked in their parents’ front door in the middle of the night and carried them off.

    • Disagree: El Dato, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Alden
  45. @Daniel H

    Do these Pakis EVER get off welfare?


    The Ummah are entitled to endless jizya as part of their hijra, which is jihad via immigration, against Dar al-Harb.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  46. Pericles says:

    Sensible legislation. For example, in the case of sexual predator scumbags at least as Australian as you’s, like these two and many others, or perhaps the South Sudanese wilding ugga buggas that run rampant through your streets, permanent deportation and loss of citizenship seems like a minimum penalty. One may indeed ask why such citizenship was granted in the first place.

    However, since many third world migrants/criminals are crafty enough to accidentally lose their passports and so can pretend to be stateless, death may be a more suitable penalty for those.

  47. “All this nonce ever did was drive a taxi – likely any tax he paid into the system was trivial. “

    When the benefit system changed in the UK to something called “Universal Credit” – which could top up the wages of low earners, a guy working for the benefits agency noted in a Guardian comments thread that every taxi driver he dealt with earned exactly £50 a week – the amount which maximised your benefit.

    While we are talking grooming gangs, latest news from Bradford where Albanians, who now dominate cocaine at the high end, are taking over cannabis farms from the Vietnamese.

    Apparently when someone gets caught, the gangs are dropping the legal-aided lawyers in favour of expensive private lawyers, and no one seems interested in where the cash is coming from, except an increasingly frustrated Recorder (senior judge at Crown Court) Of Bradford.

    He also criticised a practice to discharge or revoke the representation order on the understanding that a defendant would pay privately for their defence.

    The new phenomenon is almost exclusively in cases involving Albanian illegal immigrants arrested in raids on cannabis production facilities. There are many such cases presently going through the Crown Court at Bradford.

    Invariably, the application is made on behalf of the defendant by the solicitor who will be privately instructed. The solicitors are based either in Birmingham or the Greater London area.

    “When asked where the monies have come from, given that the defendants are often claiming that they are the victims of modern slavery and owe approximately £15,000 to the human traffickers who facilitated their entry into the UK, the answer given to me is “family money.”

    “Given that it is abject poverty in Albania which drives these defendants to enter the UK illegally, I find this implausible in the extreme.

    “When asked what money laundering checks the solicitors have carried out, the answer I have received thus far is that the monies have been transferred by bank transfer.

    “This is wholly inadequate for the purposes of money laundering compliance, since most laundered criminal money passes through bank accounts at some stage in a process known as layering,” Judge Mansell concluded.

    Br interesting to see who these legal firms are, and also the legal firms involved in his other complaint, that defendants are switching (publicly-funded) lawyers because some legal firms are incentivising them do so. Yet if you look for legal aid stories in the Guardian, it’s all about how the poor lawyers are starving. That may be so at Magistrates Court level, but not at Crown Court where major crimes are tried, and expensive barristers get involved.

  48. El Dato says:

    That’s because leftism is per se globalist.

    Keeping people “out” of anywhere is just not on.

    Globalism only works if you can do your Stalin. A death march here, a population transplantation there, a gulag population to do the actual work, soon you have basic equality.

    • Agree: Morton's toes
  49. Pericles says:
    @Daniel H

    Do these Pakis EVER get off welfare?

    Statistics show that third world immigrants basically never graduate from welfare, whether from haplessness or plain scamming. But then, why should they? What’s in it for them?

    My favorite example of this is the Iraqi defense minister Najah al-Shammari who was at the same time getting welfare in Sweden. Ooh, I see that his wife was getting welfare too. Waste not, want not.

  50. El Dato says:

    What happens in Judea should stay in Judea.

  51. @Daniel H

    We must be fair. Quite a few of the cases of Covid caught at the Icelandic borders this year have been Polish nationals, previously employed in Iceland, who have maintained an Icelandic address and commute from Poland to “sign on”.

    Icelandic benefits are pretty generous, as befits what until very recently was a homogenous Nordic welfare state. I don’t know if the Icelanders have stopped this particular scam yet. By the sound of this guy, no chance.

    “The pandemic has brought out certain good qualities in the nation but also bad ones. One of them is infection shaming, which in the past weeks has been directed against people of foreign origin. We can’t support that people are discriminated against on such grounds, as the virus does not care about nationality. The Polish community in Iceland has enriched the nation and had a significant part in creating the economic success of the past few years and the discussion in the past few days is both unsparing and unfair.”

  52. guest007 says:

    Being in England for more than a decade and still cannot speak English. The first sign of this is that no English was ever spoken in his home and he associated only with fellow ethnics where he could basically continue a Pakistani lifestyle while living in England on welfare.

    The same thing occurs in the U.S. when some illegal alien from Mexico who has been in the U.S. for 20 or more years demands a translator. That illegal aliens was living the lifestyle of Mexico while scamming the gringos.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  53. George says:
    @Steve Sailer

    British Mirpuris

    The Mangla Dam that brought many Mirpuris to the UK was a very British idea.

    The scheme was designed by London firm Binnie and Partners, led by engineer Geoffrey Binnie

    The UK before the Mangla Dam:

    Why I’d rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth… but PETER HITCHENS revels in his youth

  54. JMcG says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    With some trepidation, I’ll admit to being a green wellie man. I didn’t even know that black wellies were made. Have I outed myself?

  55. @Sick of Orcs

    I thought God was going to protect us? I mean how can ruthless grooming gangs who are so immoral succeed when they violate God’s words?


    It’s as if we live on a planet ruled by darwinian principles and not some fairy tale from the Bible.

  56. @guest007

    How can the guy pimp out English girls without being able to sweettalk them in English?

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  57. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Can you say that without spitting next time? I know, the Middle East is know for its Expectoration-based linguistics, but I just wiped my screen off to keep keeping myself safe from the Kung Flu, so …

  58. @D. K.

    Canada revoked the citizenship of a former German soldier who immigrated to Canada in 1954. He ran a construction business building post-war housing, and has been a model citizen for the past 60 years.

    The Canadians were reluctant to bow to Jewish pressure, but eventually caved. The Simon Wiesenthal center had it in for him because he was allegedly a translator on the Eastern Front. The man was recruited to the Reich army at age 17, and is pushing 100 years old now. If his appeals fail, he will likely be deported to Germany to go on trial to appease the Jewish lobby.

    On the other hand, Canada gave a former 15 year old Jihadi who was captured in Afghanistan and served time in Gitmo a \$10 million ‘thank you’ for your service, and lets him stay in Canada.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @anon
  59. @Reg Cæsar

    Which one was the woman, Reg? You wouldn’t even know. Transexualism has come a long way, baby!

  60. Some Guy says:
    @D. K.

    as the right [for a child rapist] to be secure in one’s citizenship…

    What about the right of British children not to be raped again by a convicted immigrant rapist?

    You are seriously defending the privilege(and it is a privilege for immigrants to live in Britain) of convicted child rapists based on legalistic nonsense invented by politicians.

    We all know if the people of Britain got to vote directly on this these people would be out if not hanged.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
  61. @TrevorShan

    “I thought God was going to protect us?”

    People who don’t have any idea what is really in the Bible have absolutely no business sneering at it. That includes you, senor bozo.

    • Replies: @TrevorShan
  62. guest007 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A good question, he probably had others do it. That is the point of being the boss in a gang. the younger, second generation Pakistanis go the recruiting and he gets the benefits.

  63. Some Guy says:
    @Some Guy

    And by vote directly I don’t mean on a specific criminal incident, but this “Right of Child Rapists not to be deported” of yours.

    Educated westerners have got stop thinking of themselves as deep moral philosophers and legal scholars who can create a better society by inventing all sorts of rights and conventions. Common sense is better nine times out of ten.

  64. Jack D says:

    Ripped from the headlines. This happened in May when Israel was under attack from hundreds of rockets fired from Gaza and there was “communal tension” – i.e. riots.

    According to some accounts the Arab guy had just run over a Jewish pedestrian. The guy was not “lynched”, he was beaten up and survived.

    Of all the things that happened in the world in the last 6 months, I don’t think that this is exactly the top story, which makes me wonder why you bring it up here and at this time.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  65. Jack D says:

    Another fresh headline from 2017. Do you save these things in order to bring them out on “appropriate” occasions? I guess some people tend bonsai or tropical fish, you do grievance nursing.

    • Replies: @res
  66. @Achmed E. Newman

    I still say we should unite the continent and enforce all laws and punishments as they ought to be enforced.

    As far as criminals and deportation, and hear me out on this, I don’t believe any country should deport criminals. At the very least, if a crime is anything that would be considered “hardcore”, deportation is criminal as it is both too soft a punishment and it spreads crime (sending a rapist/murderer back to murder and rape more seems wrongheaded). Instead, lacking the rights of citizens, they should be treated in court as such, and if (likely) determined guilty, publicly executed by hanging or shooting. No appeals, lacking paperwork.

    This would deter any non-insane illegals from committing crimes beyond being present, knowing they will, in fact, not get sent home at worst.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  67. Alden says:

    Parents who attempted to make police reports about the Pakistani pimps and rapists preying on very young daughters were rejected. Some who persisted were arrested for wasting police time. The anti White city councils ordered the police to protect the Paki pimps for fear of being accused of racism. And losing Paki votes. For 30 years it was similar to year round hunting season for English girls by Muslim men.

  68. Jack D says:

    The guy had worked as a cab driver so he probably speaks a fair amount of English, which is not the same as being able to fully follow a complex rapid fire exchange in a courtroom where lots of legal language is being used and your deportation is at stake.

    Imagine that you are an expat living in France and you speak and understand passable French but for some reason you are arrested and brought to court. Would you trust your French or would you want an English translator? Your ability to render nuance and complex thought is much better in your native language. Yes, you could probably answer questions on the “the boy put the book on the table” level (maybe even with some subtle grammatical mistakes and gringo accented pronunciation) but not to the point where you can fully express yourself. And maybe you can understand 95% of what the judge is saying but every sentence or two there is some French legal term that you don’t know.

    Frankly, even if this guy’s English was pretty good, having a translator provides a buffer – you get to hear each question twice and have more time to formulate your answers and your translator renders your answers into grammatical English which makes you sound less stupid.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  69. Alden says:

    He’s 51. I wonder how old the son is. Maybe 6, son of a child bride imported straight from one of the most primitive areas of the earth. Wife might not even know what country she’s in. As Muslim modesty requires she never leave the house. Those textile mills closed about 20 years after the Pakistanis arrived.

  70. TWS says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Unz will model away their crimes.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  71. TWS says:
    @D. K.

    Because a rational country can revoke citizenship from immigrants

  72. Alden says:

    Another pervert MAN OF UNZ chimes in typing with one hand. And yes, some of the paki pimps did violently abduct 11-14 year old English girls for gang rape and forced prostitution.

    And by law, in every civilized country in the world* minors are incapable of voluntarily consenting to sex both boys and girls.

    * Your perverted fantasies are not part of the civilized world.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  73. El Dato says:

    Once we have real AI, THEY will finance the creation of fully conscious copies of Germans who emulate someone who had something to do with the er… accepted versions of the Holocaust (maybe a guy who sold coal to the Reich or drove locomotives or saw something on a Hollerith machine).

    These AIs will then be arrested, extradited to Germany and put on trial inside their virtual reality.

    This will go for thousands and thousands of years.

    It will be like The Matrix, only more Old Testament-ish.

  74. @Jonathan Mason

    Never Forget:

    Jonathan Mason is a self-reported half-Muslim/half-English who justified his co-relgionists in the Rotherham grooming scandal on the English girls being groomed. According to him, 10 year old sluts seducing old men is a typical English problem. He is gross, and Steve Sailer approves him to Steve’s discredit.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  75. @epebble

    Can’t speak English. What the hell is he doing there?

    How did he get Citizenship without knowing some basic English?

    I’ve been living in Japan for almost 10 years and don’t have permanent resident visa, let alone citizenship. I guess Japan is doing something right.

  76. He should be deported headfirst from 25,000 feet.

    • Agree: Lurker
  77. res says:
    @Jack D

    you do grievance nursing.

    An interesting accusation in the JQ wars. Is there any ethnicity better at grievance nursing than the Jews? (I am sincerely curious, there must be one somewhere, right?)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @gandydancer
  78. Jack D says:

    I guess anti-Semites don’t count as an ethnic group but as an interest group they would be way up there. Some of them are still mad that the Jews killed Jesus and that was 2,000 years ago.

    Pretty much all over the 3rd world, every tribe nurses ancient grievances against the tribe next door. We just don’t hear about most of them unless you happen to be visiting and your Oromo taxi driver happens to mention that the Tigrayans are all a bunch of devil worshipers.

    • Replies: @res
  79. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Drugs – and bribes of cash – are certainly involved.

  80. anonymous[843] • Disclaimer says:

    oh wow, a blurred out photo of… something.

    From May, apparently, when Israeli Jews and Arabs were flighting each other, mutually, in the streets all over Israel.

    But if “Edo Konrad” (whoever that is) of “972 Magazine” (whatever that is) says it happened….

  81. Jack D says:

    They were called “grooming gangs”, not “violent abduction gangs”, which is not to say that there was never even 1 violent abduction.

    But the way it generally worked was this – some gang member would befriend a fatherless teenage English girl, show her attention she had never gotten from her mother who was usually in an alcoholic or drug stupor when she was home at all, lavish her with gifts that she had never received from her absent father. Mom didn’t care enough to wonder where her kid was at night or couldn’t really control her anymore. Maybe she was even relieved that she didn’t have to feed and clothe her anymore and she was someone else’s headache now. Eventually, the groomer would become her “boyfriend” – a relationship should not be a one way street. And then after a while, he would introduce her to his other “friends”. Maybe if she balked at some point she would get slapped around a bit just to show who is boss, but you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

    This is not to say that what they were doing was not a despicable crime, but it was not for the most part violent crime and you can’t say that the lack of parental supervision didn’t contribute in many cases.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Alden
  82. Lurker says:

    I dont see what he’s got to complain about. He’s alive and uncastrated isn’t he?

  83. Marie H says:

    I was on a jury in federal court in Los Angeles 25 years ago. The plaintiffs were clearly illegal aliens although it wasn’t mentioned in trial.
    In Spanish, the translator asked one of the plaintiffs to spell his last name. He said in Spanish that he couldn’t spell his last name. The judge interjected immediately to stop the translator from translating that into English so the jurors wouldn’t know. I speak Spanish so I knew. Moreover, the Spanish of the plaintiffs was very poor grammatically. The plaintiffs had lived in the US for at least 5 or 6 years. They got around just fine.
    I suspect that the Pakistanis in the UK have some of the same issues with English but they get around just fine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  84. res says:
    @Jack D

    I guess anti-Semites don’t count as an ethnic group but as an interest group they would be way up there. Some of them are still mad that the Jews killed Jesus and that was 2,000 years ago.

    Perhaps, but I don’t think you really want to make that comparison. The Old Testament predates Jesus. Isn’t it full of Jewish grievance nursing which endures through today? And comparing “some” with key tenets of a religion?!

    Pretty much all over the 3rd world, every tribe nurses ancient grievances against the tribe next door. We just don’t hear about most of them unless you happen to be visiting and your Oromo taxi driver happens to mention that the Tigrayans are all a bunch of devil worshipers.

    But are they “better” at it? Part of the issue is with Jews in the West we have a trifecta.

    1. Significant numbers here.
    2. Even if not number 1, top tier with apparent desire to nurse grievances.
    3. Extremely able. Thus the grievance nursing takes effective forms.

    I think you making an accusation of grievance nursing against anti-Semites (or people whom you see as such) is a mistake. People who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones. In this case, it tends to look rather like projection.

    Even as someone who thinks well of Jews in many ways, it is hard for me to let chutzpah like that pass.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  85. Is this crime and punishment story more iStevey or Wolfey?

    [Tranny] Militia leader who planned 2017 Bloomington mosque attack sentenced to 53 years

    I like that “mastermind” is used un-ironically in the piece.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  86. @Boomthorkell

    No argument, BTK. I was under the impression that deportation after the time served was part of the sentences.

  87. Graham says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    “ In Sheffield it rains more days than it doesn’t. ”

    No, just looked it up. It rains on almost exactly one third of the days in the year. I think you have to go to the West of Ireland to get rain on a majority of days.

    Yes, this is pedantic, but I hate cliché and stereotype.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  88. Forbes says:

    His woke-left immigration lawyer probably tells him to use a translator–to draw out the process, and provide state-paid employment for co-ethnics as translators. The operation of a translator would serve to double the amount of time needed for any hearing–imagine the burden on recordkeeping stenographic services.

    A burdensome system ultimately bogs down to a standstill when such demands (translation) is provided, e.g. how many adjournments have occurred because a translator was unavailable…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  89. anon[298] • Disclaimer says:


    you gave 5 reasons and missed the most important one:

    sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me…any use of force by government or anyone else to curtail speech is intrinsically EVIL.

    and for the ‘tards out there: the “fighting words” exception is DEAD. scalia killed it.

    — actual BGI volunteer and free speech ABSOLUTIST

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  90. Wielgus says:
    @Jack D

    Bertolt Brecht had a fluent grasp of English when he was summoned before the House Un-American Activities Committee, but he accepted advice from a friend to testify in German, although the committee chair complained that he found the English of the interpreter, a German-born Congressional archivist or librarian, almost as difficult to understand as the German spoken by Brecht. Brecht got through the hearing but compared it to the “peasant courts” of Engelbert Dollfuss in pre-Anschluss Austria, and left for East Germany shortly afterwards.

  91. Forbes says:
    @Jack D

    Reads like you’re rationalizing the “grooming gang” euphemism. However you describe it, it’s a moral tragedy and a crime. Under the age of consent sex with 11-14 year old girls is a sex crime in the UK, and shouldn’t be condoned with they “get slapped around a bit just to show who is boss,” as if coercion is acceptable when the violence is only threatened.

    Where does the “lack of parental supervision” end and the “grooming” begin, when society–in the guise of legal authorities, police, prosecutors, courts, local and national politicians, etc.–not only look the other way, but the penalties are so soft and distant to the crime that there’s effectively no deterrent/discouragement of the criminal conduct?

    That’s clever victim blaming, where the behavior of grooming gangs are rationalized because some (even many) parents lacked fastidious supervision of their children–and the state failed to recognize (or act) on the heinous conduct of the gangs.

    Perhaps I’ve misunderstood your comment…

    • Replies: @Jack D
  92. S Johnson says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Using interpreters in immigration hearings is more or less de rigeur, even for those who speak the language fluently, presumably to add another wrinkle for delay or get more sympathy from the judge. If the interpreter is slow often they end up bypassing him or her altogether and speaking directly anyway.

  93. @Forbes

    His woke-left immigration lawyer probably tells him to use a translator…

    Agree completely. There is NFW these immigrifters don’t speak English. But as Michelle Malkin says, “It ain’t over until the illegal alien wins.”

  94. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It was curious too see how the media flew into a frenzy over the Tulsa riots just after this Israeli incident. It’s almost as if they were trying to divert attention elsewhere.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @gandydancer
  95. Well, I’m goin’ down to Rochdale
    Take my rider by my side
    Goin’ down to Rochdale
    Take my rider by my side
    You can still peddle flesh, baby
    By the [Roch] riverside

  96. Jack D says:
    @Marie H

    A lot of illegal aliens from Latin countries don’t speak Spanish or at least don’t speak it well because at home they speak some Indian language such as Mixtec.

    It’s not unusual for Latinos to live here for decades and not learn much English beyond the few words required for their jobs, if any. It’s possible to live in a Latino bubble where everyone you deal with speaks Spanish, especially in California or the Southwest so there’s no need to ever learn much English. Many farmers, construction contractors, etc. have learned enough Spanish (or Spanglish – carro instead of coche for car, concreto or cemento instead of hormigon for concrete, barnio for barn, etc.) to communicate with their workforce or else there is usually some sort of crew boss (himself Hispanic) who is bilingual and serves as an intermediary.

  97. Jack D says:

    Yes you have. I said at the end that this conduct was a despicable crime, but nevertheless Alden’s description of it, which made it seem as if they were kidnapping schoolgirls from their homes at night Elizabeth Smart style, was not an accurate description of their crimes.

    “Victim blaming” is, to me, a Leftist concept that goes hand in hand with the idea that the poor (in the American context, usually minorities) possess no agency whatsoever. While the fact that the victims were in many cases willing (though underage and legally incapable of giving consent) or that their parents were absent or negligent in no way excuses the crimes of the Pakistanis in a courtroom, I think that it is important to have a full, truthful and nuanced understanding of all sides of any phenomenon and not to view such phenomenon in purely black and white terms. If you assign 100% of the blame to the Pakistanis, this means that there is nothing that the English need to do to reform their social welfare or legal system or that English people need to do to increase their responsibility for their own children.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Troll: Rosie
  98. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Canada also deported a Dutch immigrant recently
    He came to Canada as an infant. His parents were legal immigrants and all his siblings were born in Canada. It was an oversight by his parents that he didn’t receive citizenship

    He is being deported because he has a lengthy criminal record. He hasn’t been the best citizen but he does belong to Canada. It’s actually quite common for whites to be deported on technicalities, especially white South Africans. It has long be rumoured that Immigration Canada is run by Third World immigrants

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Alden
    , @gandydancer
  99. Rosie says:

    Where are the fathers? Guys like this should be publicly executed by the father and nobody should’ve seen anything.

    From what I understand, most of the girls were in some form of foster care, which usually means one or both parents are addicted to drugs, incarcerated, etc.

    • Agree: Ed Case
    • Replies: @Ed Case
  100. Rosie says:

    The voters could vote 999-1 to expel him and it is meaningless. The Church of the Bureaucracy decides.

    Finally, someone said it.

  101. Rosie says:
    @Semi-Employed White Guy

    When you let women and homosexuals run your nation, your nation is done.

    Hmmm. What was the composition of Parliament when these people started coming in the 1950s?


    And oh look, it’s still ~male

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  102. Muggles says:

    This guy is going on 7 years without being deported.

    Because why not?

    Soon coming to a community near you. Check your local military bases and refugee centers.

    Welcome to BidenWorld!

  103. J.Ross says:

    … why does Steve expect the system that brings them here, and which values them above natives, to deport them?

  104. @sb

    At Australian naturalisation the applicant swears/affirms to obey Australian law.

    Leave aside that a promise to obey Australian law is not enforceable in a contract – because it is not precise, since Australian law can change in ways not foreseeable by either party to the contract. It is an effectively an agreement to agree to any future change in a key contractual term (‘Australian law’).

    Obviously the BlackRobes – power’s lickspittles – would not grant relief to a person on that basis, but that just shows that their job is not to be neutral arbiters.

    Moving on:revoking citizenship for people who do bad stuff, is the basis for ss(1)(a) and 2(a) of s34 of the Citizenship Act 2007, which provide for revocation in the event that a person is convicted of anything that entails a 1-year sentence.

    (Note that I did not say ‘convicted of a crime – because the Citizenship Act 2007 makes clear that it is not restricted to offences under the various versions of the Crimes Act, and there are things that are punishable by a year in chokey, that are not crimes and are in fact largely penalties for refusing to comply with administrative edicts).

    However ss(1)(c) and (2)(c) have literally nothing to do with violating Australian criminal or administrative law: the only thing that the relevant tax-parasite has to do, is claim that they are ‘satisfied’ that the person is unworthy – there is no evidentiary standard; no requirement for a jury deliberation or right to confront evidence.

    Now… bear in mind that even for people convicted to a 1 year spell in chokey: crimes are regularly defined out of existence. When that happens, people incarcerated under the now-defunct law are not generally released – but later their convictions are expunged.

    Example 1: until 1980 it was a crime in Victoria to be homosexual; people who have criminal records under that vile, despicable law have been able to apply to have their records expunged, starting in 2015. (I’m not homosexual, but the people who outlawed homosexuality should have their remains disinterred and ritually desecrated, and their descendants should be expropriated).

    Example 2: In the very near future the possession of cannabis will be decriminalised: there will be a much quicker move to expunge criminal records. (Same thing should happen to those who passed laws that interfere in victimless ‘crimes’: seizure of all wealth in held by their direct descendants).

    We know precisely who voted in favour of each piece of legislation since Federation, and we know who is descended from whom. Claiming the right to interfere in people’s lives, ought to have consequences that actively disincentivise interference. Something involving the term “Unto the seventh generation‘ ought to do it.

    The primary rationale for revoking citizenship of a person convicted of anything that attracts a 1-year prison sentence, is that such people are considered to be ‘problematic’.

    For the most part, that is a decent idea: most people who are imprisoned for a year, are bad people – not as bad as the average career politician, but perhaps as bad as a mid-level bureaucrat.

    But …. sometimes people are imprisoned for acts of civil disobedience that stem from the fact that a specific government action is offensive to their conscience.

    It happens often enough for it to be really easy to recall an example (for the US: e.g., Eugene Debs, who was sentenced to 10 years for opposing US entry into WWI. His sentence was commuted in 1921 – that’s not the point).

    There have been several New Zealanders who have been the subject of the ‘Ministerial prerogative’ of ss(1)(c) and (2)(c): these might be people with ‘dodgy’ habits (like riding motorcycles with like-minded people), but they’re also people who have not been convicted of anything (and whose conviction if charged was unlikely).

    They have effectively been declared persona non grata by some fuckbag whose entire life has been in the service to one or other of the political-parasite cliques that claim the right to rule.

    These vermin are lucky that people like me have no desire to rule: were I ever in charge, prior membership of the operational cadre of any political party would be the only capital offense (and membership of a national or state cabinet would be punishable by drawing and quartering).

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  105. @Daniel H

    In fact, in the early 20th century Lancashire mill workers were relatively well paid, the mill towns were prosperous, and the mills were profitable enterprises.

    But export markets shrank as former colonies, most notably India, developed their own textile industries and initiated protectionist trade barriers to exclude cloth imports from Briitain.

    Rather than investing in more efficient production methods capable of producing textiles at lower cost, mill owners sought to maintain profits by suppressing wages and importing cheap labour from India and Pakistan.

    The resulting influx of alien peoples changed the mill towns radically and seemingly irrevocably. But the strategy didn’t save the mills. Textile manufacturing disappeared within the space of about two decades and with it went the prosperity and the culture of hard work and compassionate decency which distinguished the mill towns.

    As the mills closed, much of the machinery was exported to factories in those same countries which had supplied the mills with cheap labour. To be overseen by technicians and managers who had trained in manufacturing at textile colleges in the mill towns.

  106. @Graham

    Yes, this is pedantic, but I hate cliché and stereotype.

    It’s not pedantic, it’s good information. Thanks.

    Apropos of nothing, I have been to London for long weekends 6 times and it has never rained.

  107. @Sick of Orcs

    Sad that the “Beakie Bliders” went out after the 1930’s
    I’m sure they would settle scores in prison with these creatures.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  108. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    On obtaining a license to drive in Australia the person is automatically placed on probation for a time period and any violations result in the disqualification of that license so I cannot understand why obtaining Australian citizenship does not automatically include a period of probation as well.

    I would suggest that 10 years is quite reasonable and that the committal of any serious crimes by such an individual should be cause for the cancellation of citizenship and of their deportation.

  109. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    There was a lot more than being slapped around. Lots of drugs which. is classic pimping from Albania to Zaire. A lot of threats about killing the girls. From what I read it seemed the majority didn’t live with parents. But had been taken from parents and placed in group homes Where it seemed there was no supervision in contrast to American group homes.

    The English group homes seemed to have no cars to transport the girls. Also didn’t use city buses but used paki taxis even for school. Probably a local government program to give affirmative action jobs to Pakistan taxi companies. And no curfew or requirement to come home after school unless for a permitted activity No Check in for dinner etc the English group homes didn’t even monitor school attendance. Lots of sensible rules in American group homes. Even if the kids don’t abide by the rules, the rules are there and sensible. Kids in group homes are already damaged and low intelligence.

    One thing most respectable people who aren’t law enforcement or social work don’t realize.

    Learn this well.
    Very young girls are the favored prey of pimps from Maxwell and Epstein and their presidents royalty etc customers to the sleaziest black or paki with a girl from the projects. They are so much easier to exploit. In America they are often killed. There’s a constant recruitment process.

    There’s a lot in the internet about it. My commie English relatives claimed it didn’t happen, just bigotry by the women social worker Nigel Farage and other White Supremacists who after 20 years finally exposed it. A Guardian reporter recorded a private conversation Nick Griffith has about the rapes. Reporter turned it into the police and Griffith was investigated for hate crime. That’s how far the cover up went

    So I read everything I could. From my retired probation officer perspective. A better perspective than a deluded liberal who despises their own race and worships the blacks and browns. And I have a better perspective about the maturity of a 5’6 130 pound bosomy blossoming 13 year old than men who assume the 13 year old is an intelligent mature adult capable of making wise decisions.
    You have a daughter. You know that a 13 14 year old girl is a child emotionally no matter what she looks like.

    Supposedly girls are safer now because of video games instagram Facebook endless YouTube videos Instead of roaming around town getting into trouble kids and teens are home glued to their screens. One can but hope.

    Don’t blame the parents. Don’t blame the girls. Blame the paki pimp rapists and the labor party county councils the anti racist crusader police who ignored it and the social workers and group home managers who put failed to supervise. And sent girls off to school every day in paki taxis. Whatever happened to that wonderful European public transit system we Americans keep hearing about? Or a group home van?

    There was a time not too long ago in America when young women were advised to never take taxis alone. Sounds prudish and extreme. But paki taxi drivers proved themselves not to be trusted with women and girl passengers.

  110. anonymous[843] • Disclaimer says:

    Or maybe they’ve been salivating over being able to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa riots ever since the LA riots of ’92, or maybe even since the late 60s era riots.

  111. @Jack D

    For starters they could hang the groomers from lamposts, to show the young girls that they were cared for. And to encourage the others. While those girls may be misguided, to compare a society with a few girls who cause minor trouble to a society where men, often from a completely different culture, prey on those girls is folly.

  112. Jack D says:

    I think most of the non-citizens that they deport for committing crimes are non-white, simply because most immigrants are non-white and because non-whites commit crimes at a higher rate.

    You just feel sorry for the white guy ’cause he’s white. If it was the exact same situation but he was a Bush Negro from Surinam who was convicted of more than 40 criminal charges you’d personally escort him onto the plane.

    • Replies: @anon
  113. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The Israelis also arrested the persons who beat him on terrorism charges. The Arab did run into pedestrians but it seems likely this was by accident after he panicked driving his car into a riot. In any event, there is no use denying the Jews of Israel are very suspicious of the Arabs and that when Arabs riot (as they did) in favor of Israel’s enemies, the Arabs – as a community – are not confronted with Woke apologizers. But on occasion they are confronted with some really nasty rioters themselves who are not like the British.

  114. Rob says:

    Wrong that most jews mean harm – they just have very poor intuition anout other people’s psychology, a subculture that encourages them to view the majority as both terrifying snd the appropriate object of exploitation, and a fear that the immune reaction to social engineering will fall on them very hard(ly). But they really do think they are doing the right thing.

    Wrong on coronavirus. In reality, vaccines are much safer than infection, and in reality, it is much worse than “just the flu, bro.” in reality, people not getting vaccinated will lead to worse strains.

    • Replies: @Ed Case
  115. Alden says:

    What about the bilingual English French requirement for national government jobs? . Are they all Haitians Senegalese etc? I wouldn’t be surprised.

    But if he was a serious career criminal it’s appropriate to deport him. I’m sure a defense attorney or parole officer informed him of the possibility sometime.

  116. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    The English need to reform their criminal justice system. So Muslim rapists and criminals are treated the same way native British rapists are treated.

  117. @Jack D

    Must agree with this. These things are always a bit more nuanced than one might think based on tabloid media accounts.

    Some years ago I worked for the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice at a time that they had about 40 girls aged 12 to 17 locked up in a residential facility who had substance abuse (drug and alcohol) problems.

    All of these girls had been prostituted and often reported having 60 or more sexual partners in the previous year. Some of them, when they “aged out”, meaning that they turned 18 and were therefore released were actually picked up by their pimps at the front gate.

    There was no hue-and-cry in Florida to prosecute the pimps or the johns.

    A girl who was a South Florida teenage prostitute at the age of 13 or so (based on her own written accounts) is now alleging that she was pimped to Prince Andrew of England on three occasions by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, the first offense occurring in London when she was 17.

    In the lawsuit the woman claims that she “feared death or physical injury to herself or another and other repercussions for disobeying” the trio because of their “powerful connections, wealth, and authority.”

    Prince Andrew has claimed that he never met the woman and has no memory of her. I have no idea whether he is telling the truth. If pushed, I would say that he is probably lying about that.

    But, as I said above, these things tend to be a bit more nuanced. For example:

    1. The age of consent for sex in the UK is 16, however the age of consent for acts of prostitution is 18, as per international law, and pimping is illegal.

    2. If Prince Andrew did have sex with her in London, we do not know if he knew that she was being prostituted. This was a man who was considered very good looking in his younger days, had models and socialites at his beck and call, and was a hero of the Falklands war.

    3. She claimed she was paid by Jeffrey Epstein for her services, but I don’t believe that the amount paid, or the method of payment (cash or check) is in the public domain yet. I do not know whether the amount was negotiated ahead of the encounter. I don’t know if Prince Andrew knew that she was being paid.

    4. A sexual act that is legal in London could be legally classed as pedophilia in a different jurisdiction. Even within the different states of the US, there are differences in the legal age of consent, sometimes depending on the relative age of both participants.

    5. Prince Andrew at the time in question always had a 24-hour armed police protection officer. We do not know whether the protection officer was present during the alleged encounter or whether he can testify (if still alive) about the night in question.

    6. We have no information as to whether the woman at any point told Prince Andrew or his police protection officer that she was being coerced into prostituting herself by Epstein and Maxwell and asked for protection.

    7. The woman’s own father later said in a TV interview that she had also met the Queen in England, but later withdrew the claim.

    8. As a minor, the woman would have had to have parental permission to obtain a US passport and to travel overseas with adult strangers.

    The point I am making here is even if we agree that Prince Andrew probably had sex with the woman in London when she was 17, (which might be a total lie) there are several issues that would have to be finessed to discover whether this qualified as an illegal act of human trafficking, underage prostitution, or just as an act of sex tourism.

    We, the public, only ever get a tiny bit of the whole story in these lurid cases.

  118. @JohnnyWalker123

    How do the Jews treat the Palestinians of Israel?”

    The Jews” “lynched” somebody for something? Looks like your normal got-caught-driving-through-a-BLM riot vid to me. How do you describe those?

  119. @res

    “… In this case, it tends to look rather like projection.”

    I think it is perfectly reasonably to suspect that totally off topic comments like the first one to this post are the product of someone with an axe to grind.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  120. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Oh come on, you know there are tens of millions of women who think that if they pray and follow God’s laws that they’ll be under some protection.

    I’m not sneering at the Bible, I’m sneering at the silly form of belief so many people have. It’s still up to us to make things happen on this earth. God never shows up.

  121. It’s hard out here for a child rapist.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  122. cityview says:

    Oh, yes, I completely agree. Keep on saying this!

  123. @D. K.

    So, he should have assumed you were being moronic, not ironic.

    We owe nothing to some criminal whose “citizenship” was awarded to him by some clueless bureaucrat. If current law idiotically says differently, change the law, If SCOTUS says differently, tar and feather them until they improve.

    If he doesn’t have a country we could always drop him off at the North Pole, If any country objects, THEY can have him.

  124. Ed Case says:

    Peter Dutton deported a few Kiwi murderers who had never bothered to get Australian citizenship.
    According to Kiwi whingers such as yourself, since they murdered Australians they’re now our murderers and therefore you don’t want them back.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  125. Ed Case says:

    Care Homes run by the local City Councils.
    Sort of equivalent to Juvenile Detention for girls who haven’t committed seriouis Crimes but have been convicted in a Childrens Court.
    Once convicted, the probelem these girls face is that their word can’t be taken as Truth in any future Court proceedings because … they’ve been convicted.
    So they’re in a vulnerable situation.
    This has been happening in England for generations but only gained some publicity since Pakistanis gained political power in the formerly industrial cities courtesy of the Brtitish Labour Party grubbing for votes.

  126. Ed Case says:

    Wrong on coronavirus. In reality, vaccines are much safer than infection, and in reality, it is much worse than “just the flu, bro.

    What people call the Flu is just a bad cold.
    Influenza is a serious illness that requires hospitalisation and many still don’t survive.
    Ask a doctor about the Flu, you’ll be surprised.

  127. @res

    An interesting accusation in the JQ wars. Is there any ethnicity better at grievance nursing than the Jews?

    Yours, apparently. What’s the one that you’re nursing that keeps Jews living rent-free in your brain?

  128. @Jack Armstrong

    Federal prosecutors said Hari [the mastermind], McWhorter and Morris had rented a truck and driven from Illinois to Bloomington to bomb the Islamic center. Around 5 a.m., one of the men broke the window of the imam’s office and another lit the fuse of a pipe bomb and threw it through the broken window.

    The pipe bomb exploded, causing extensive damage to the imam’s office and fire and smoke damage throughout the Islamic center. Several worshippers were inside the building at the time, but no one was injured or killed.

    So, we’re on the hook for room and board for life and “gender” surgery for a property offense?

    Not saying I ever want this loon out, but the sentencing guidelines seemed for some reason to have called for more than murder would ordinarily get you, or is my impression wrong?

  129. For some reason this reminded me of one of Trump’s gifts to us all, the nomination of Neil Gorsucks to SCOTUS, where one of his first notable contributions was to join the pro-crime Democrats in overturning the previous and long standing understanding that home invasion was an aggravated felony justifying deportation of aliens.

    This was entirely predictable. When Scalia died Gorsucks tore up a pre-scheduled speech to deliver a “tribute to Scalia” which touted his support of a lousy district court ruling giving an illegal invader an opportunity to appeal an exclusion order, despite the plain and obvious intent of Congress to deny him such an appeal, on the grounds that a Board of Immigration Appeals ruling on the subject shouldn’t apply to a case where a Woke district judge had stuck his head up his ass. The coddling of the miscreant that her ordered was particularly egregious. I don’t have the SCOTUS opinion to hand, but this is the case:

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  130. @Alden

    But had been taken from parents and placed in group homes Where it seemed there was no supervision in contrast to American group homes.

    The staff at British children’s homes are not allowed to make physical contact with a child unless he/she is doing something that threatens his/her life, like trying to jump out of a window. A girl of 12 can literally walk out of the door, and the staff cannot stop her. She can then spend all night in the town, and then phone the home at 3am. The night staff are obliged to go and fetch her.

    On top of this, the “anti-racism” of staff means that when they see one of their 12-year-old girls getting into a car with a dark-skinned man, they think it is none of their business to ask why.

  131. @Alden

    “taxi drivers proved themselves not to be trusted with women and girl passengers”

    aaaannndd… from TODAY’S Bradford paper!

    A man from Bradford who worked as a licensed taxi driver in Oxford has been jailed for ten years after he was found guilty of raping a woman, who was a passenger in his taxi.

    Asif Khan, aged 37, of Great Horton Road, Bradford, was charged via a postal requisition on April 3, 2020 with one count of rape.

    Following a trial lasting 11 days at Oxford Crown Court, he was found guilty of rape by unanimous jury verdict and was jailed.

    Between 2am and 4am on August 19, 2017, Khan was working as a taxi driver in the city when he collected the victim, a woman aged in her late teens, from the Atik nightclub in Oxford.

    Khan drove the victim back to her home where he helped her into her address.

    Once inside the victim’s house, Khan picked the victim up, dragged her onto a bed and raped her.

    The victim awoke the following day and found a number of condom wrappers in the bin along with a Bluetooth headset which belonged to Khan.

    It doesn’t help, mind, that so many young women think it’s a sensible thing to do to get blind drunk – literally incapable – and then get into a taxi with someone from a vastly, inconceivably different culture. My locus classicus is the teacher who got paralytic at a function in Leeds, was picked up by a minicab driver – and then taken to Bradford to be gang-raped by an assortment of men who’d been rung up specifically to take part.

    In all, there were 15 phone calls among the conspirators as they rapidly put their plan rapidly into action.

    Virk called Ul-Saed, who was working as a pizza chef in Pontefract. He brought in Akhtar to keep the young woman until he could get to Bradford to take part in the crime.

    Akhtar recruited his Uncle Raja “to join in the fun and usage of this lady”.

    She was then raped in turn by Akhtar and Raja on a metal bench in Horton Park.

    (The rapist who legged it was recaptured in Italy, and the people who drove him to the ferry got four years each).

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  132. @Anonymous

    It was curious too see how the media flew into a frenzy over the Tulsa riots just after this Israeli incident. It’s almost as if they were trying to divert attention elsewhere.

    It’s almost as if you no self-awareness at all. The idea that media flagellation of the country over the long ago Tulsa conflict “is almost as if” Jews were trying to distract the country from some Arab motorist getting beaten up in Jerusalem is crazy talk, and stupid beyond belief.

  133. @Jonathan Mason

    The point I am making here is even if we agree that Prince Andrew probably had sex with the woman in London when she was 17, (which might be a total lie) there are several issues that would have to be finessed to discover whether this qualified as an illegal act of human trafficking, underage prostitution, or just as an act of sex tourism.

    It is likely that, even if this girl had been coerced into prostitution by Jeffrey Epstein, she was instructed to present herself to Prince Andrew as an ordinary 17-year-old girl who wanted to have sex with him. There were many such girls. A criminal case would probably turn on whether sex (without payment) with a trafficked under-18 child is a crime of strict liability.

    In a civil case for damages, who knows? In the UK, civil cases except libel and slander are decided by a judge. I guess the girl is making her claim in the USA in the hope of appealing to the emotions of a jury.

  134. @anon

    He hasn’t been the best citizen but he does belong to Canada.

    No, he doesn’t By a stroke of luck he still belongs to the Dutch, and there’s nothing wrong with Canada taking advantage of that.

  135. @Rosie

    the 1950’s Brit Parliament was full of butt-fucked ex-Public School boys with S&M fetishes. Look at the Russian spies drawn from the same pool (Philby, etc., etc.).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  136. @No jack London

    When duckduckgo searched for “Beakie Bliders” the only instance it found was your comment.
    When Steve posts this it will presumably find two instances.

  137. @Jonathan Mason

    Anyone who has swam through the underbelly of skid row knows that there are a lot of young girls being tempted to a life of depravity, should they choose to hang out with the wrong people. Most walk away, but some fall in head first.

    Once they are of age of consent, it’s their call. Wily players like Epstein and Maxwell seemed to mostly stay within the letter of the law concerning age.

    Prince Andrew’s accuser seems like a girl who has buyer’s remorse for her youthful decisions, which were not unlike many party girls who gave it away to be part of a scene.

    There has to be an age where we say a girl has agency, otherwise we’re treating them as children well into adulthood. There also has to be an acknowledgement of racial animus behind pimping across racial lines, with enhanced sentencing for predators who fish in someone else’s pond.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  138. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Our society seems to swing back and forth between overly strict attitudes toward sex and overly liberal ones and wherever we are on the pendulum swing we look across to the past on the other side and we are shocked at how backwards people were in the past. From the perspective of the Swinging ’60s, the 50’s were Victorian. From the perspective of 2021, the authorities of the past were shockingly lenient toward Andrew.

    And to make thinks even more confusing, there are multiple pendulums going. While the early 2000s no one got very excited about teen prostitution (Epstein got 18 months in 2006 for the same acts that would have sent him to prison for life in 2019 and the zealots were not displeased that they had driven him to suicide) , gay marriage was just coming in and trannies were still considered to be mentally ill. Today the gay/tranny swing has gone in one direction while teen prostitution has gone in the other.

  139. Bill says:

    The two comment costume Nazis strike again!

  140. @Jack D

    Indeed. I was working for Florida Dept. Of Juvenile Justice in the early 2000s, but I don’t even remember hearing of the existence of Epstein in 2006, even though I was living in Florida at the time.

    It certainly wasn’t a major topic of conversation in Juvenile Justice circles.

    On the other hand I was peripherally involved in investigating into the death of a 14-year-old boy who died from undiagnosed acute appendicitis while in custody in Miami, and that was a big scandal at the time.

  141. Rosie says:

    the 1950’s Brit Parliament was full of butt-fucked ex-Public School boys with S&M fetishes. Look at the Russian spies drawn from the same pool (Philby, etc., etc.).

    Daily reminder:

    Disloyal womwn are traitors because they are women.
    Disloyal men are traitors for some other reason.

  142. @Jack D

    “the zealots were not displeased that they had driven him to suicide”

    Epstein did not commit suicide.

    (Re Prince Andrew, and to a lesser extent that wheelchair-bound Brit egghead with an eye for the ladies, Stephen Hawking, who was also a guest of Epstein’s, what I can’t understand is – why didn’t MI6 take some senior person in the royal household aside for a quiet word, pointing out the danger of .. well, exactly what’s happening now. Did MI6 not know who senior Royals were cavorting with in the States? Or, worse, did someone in US like the CIA give Epstein the all clear?)

    OT – I’ve always called Boris a rootless cosmopolitan because that’s exactly what he is – born in the US, Turkish ancestry, Dad spent half his career in the US/EU etc. But his mother’s just died and it seems he’s a rootless cosmopolitan in the Stalin sense too. Well I never.

    After describing her own happy childhood and Boris’s youth, she unexpectedly launched into a vivid description of her terrible marriage to Stanley Johnson. Describing her suffering because of his long absences, adultery and violence – allegations Stanley has denied – she had clearly decided, before illness finally prevented her speaking at all, to tell the truth. I had been invited, it appears now in hindsight, to hear her final testament before she died.

    Her background should have protected her from suffering. Brought up in a happy, social family in a large house in St John’s Wood, Sir James Fawcett, her father was an outstanding international lawyer, classicist and latterly the bursar of All Souls college. Beatrice Lowe, her Jewish mother, was the daughter of two academics – her father was a professor at Princeton and her mother was translator of Thomas Mann into English. Both were politically active liberals and outspoken campaigners for human rights, women’s equality and against racism.

    Educated at Mayfield and then Westminster Tutors, Charlotte had been deliberately seated by her father next to Stanley Johnson for a dinner to celebrate his winning the Newdigate Prize for poetry. On her own admission, she fell instantly in love with the charming student, who was two years older. She described what followed with amazement and deep regret.

    Writer Tom Bower specialises in warts-and-all political biography. I don’t know about the violence, but Boris seems to take after dad in the long absence and adultery departments.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  143. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    There was a minor British female media personality back in the 2000s whose career was destroyed after she called a taxi for her young daughter, but specifically requested a non-Asian driver.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  144. Robby24 says:

    Some of the father’s did call the police. They were threatened with arrest!

  145. @Anonymous

    “There was a minor British female media personality back in the 2000s whose career was destroyed after she called a taxi for her young daughter, but specifically requested a non-Asian driver.”

    Mason: “It’s not your 14-year-old girl who’s, you know, is it?”

    Operator: “Yes, but that’s racist to say you don’t want an Asian driver.”

    Mason: “If it were me I wouldn’t care if it had two heads, but it’s my little girl we are talking about.”

    Good idea but poor execution. The moment the operator threw the R word, it was time to terminate the call and try a different firm.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  146. @Ed Case

    Let’s stipulate that to be a ‘murderer’ you have to be convicted of murder.

    If that’s the case: I am not aware of any convicted murderers whose citizenship was revoked under ss(1)(c) or (2)(c) of the Citizenship Act – whether by Reichsleiter Cokehead or anybody else.

    Deportation of non-naturalized convicted criminals is normal, and has been practiced by Western governments for a little under 100 years.

    So quite apart from conflating deportation with revocation of citizenship, you’re almost certainly talking out of your arse.

    That’s entirely normal for the median product of government schools. It’s not even your fault, really – you’re a dimwit who wasn’t taught to read good, and so you watch and believe what the Telly tells you. ‘Kiwi murderers’ is a Sky News trope.

    While we’re discussing Dutton: what is your explanation for how a detective can spend 9 years in the most corrupt section of the most corrupt police force in Australia, and never detect a corrupt colleague?

    Please include factors that explain his acquisition of a \$3m property portfolio on a copper’s salary at a time when mortgage rates averaged over 10%, and the fact that his nasal septum appears to have dissolved.

    Also on Dutton: explain William Betham.

    • LOL: Ed Case
    • Replies: @Ed Case
  147. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    I feel sorry for him because he is being deported to a country he has never been and does not speak the language. He wasn’t here illegally: he is not a citizen because of an oversight by his parents. Canada is better off without him, but he is our responsibility

    I can’t believe a Third World immigrant would be deported under the same circumstances
    The literati seem to go out of their way import , idolize and compensate them.

    A horrible case

  148. Jack D says:

    Johnson’s maternal grandmother Beatrice Lowe had a Jewish father. Her mother’s name was Helen Tracy Porter. According to Jewish law, that makes her not Jewish at all. I’m guessing that she wasn’t raised as a practicing Jew. According to blood, she was 1/2 Jewish. But for the Spectator, she was “Jewish” period. Not very nuanced.

    So Boris is 1/8th Jewish. I think even Stalin would have given him a pass. Wasn’t Lenin 1/8th Jewish or something like that? In Germany, being 1/4 Jewish made you a Mischling of the 2nd degree but I don’t know what being 1/8th made you.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Ed Case
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  149. Rosie says:

    Once they are of age of consent, it’s their call.

    Yes, that’s true, but that’s not really the issue here. These girls were clearly underage, and the care home supervisors couldn’t do anything about it without being sacked for “racism.”

    Jack “Epstein dindu nuffin” D’s OP claimed that the Paki pimps aren’t 100% to blame for the fact that these crimes occurred. I suppose, technically, that is true, but they are 100% responsible for their own actions in exploiting these girls.

  150. Ed Case says:

    While we’re discussing Dutton: what is your explanation for how a detective can spend 9 years in the most corrupt section of the most corrupt police force in Australia, and never detect a corrupt colleague?

    Dutto was never a member of Victoria Police.

    Please include factors that explain his acquisition of a \$3m property portfolio on a copper’s salary at a time when mortgage rates averaged over 10%, and the fact that his nasal septum appears to have dissolved.

    Dutto’s old man was a bricklayer.
    Brickies have got to know the property cycle because in bad times they’ll be building houses and only making money on the bricks.
    How did he build a property portfolio on a policeman’s salary?
    Dutto was born in 1971, property crashed in 1974 and barely did anything until the Stock Market crash of 1987.

    Dutto probably missed that opportunity because of youth but perhaps not, since he is a pretty sharp guy.
    Anyway, property in Queensland crashed again in the 1990s and didn’t bounce back until 2001.
    If you had cash and credit back in 1999/2000 there were plenty of bargains around.

  151. Ed Case says:
    @Jack D

    Is Porter a Jewish name?
    Nyree Dawn Porter looks Jewish to me.

  152. @Jack D

    Thanks. I assumed by the Speccie saying Beatrice Lowe was Jewish that therefore her mother was Jewish. Can’t trust any media these days…

    So Boris is Turkish/French/English/American/Jewish, all from fairly high achievers.

    He does have a lot of front, I must say. Great entertainer. He’s got that Guardianista bluestocking eating out of his hand here.

  153. @gandydancer

    errata: That last-mentioned case didn’t reach SCOTUS. Gorsucks egregious opinion upholding and extending the screwed-up coddling of De Niz Robles was at the appeals court level.

  154. @Alden

    American “group homes” were most recently in the news when a cop saved The Black Girl in Pink (a former resident) from being stabbed by a water-buffalo current resident, an action which was alleged to be racist rather than just a good shot. How much effective “supervision” was on display is open to question.

  155. @YetAnotherAnon

    Asif Khan, aged 37, of Great Horton Road, Bradford, was charged via a postal requisition on April 3, 2020 with one count of rape.

    Postal requisition” was an odd-sounding locution, and I found this… …but it says “The written charge and requisition must be served on the person concerned…” so I’m still not clear what’s “postal” about it, unless “served” is in practice considerably less than the word implies

    ….the people who drove him to the ferry got four years each…

    “[F]our years” is, I assume, also in practice considerably less than the words imply?

  156. @Jonathan Mason

    Just a quick update.

    The judge in the civil case between Virginia Guiffre and Prince Andrew has today ruled that Prince Andrew can request the unsealing of the agreement between Giuffre and Epstein that Prince Andrew seems to believe gives him immunity from any further lawsuits from Guiffre.

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