Urban areas are governed by Democrats, and Democrats are plagued with political correctness, producing stupid governance. There is a limit to how much stupidity people will tolerate before departing for sane locales to live in peace.

A lot of this is likely generational as well as tied to the economy. People want space when they have kids but they usually need decent enough jobs in places where the right housing is available to have kids.

But lately, net population flows have gone back to the long term trend outward.

I can’t believe this won’t be the long term trend as whites flee “diversity”, and “hispanics” chase after them to provide services.

I lingered a bit too long in Costco and HomeDepot today and got caught in bit of early Pugetopolis rush hour traffic. Yuck. Our elites insist on having the door open wide making this more and more like a combo of Asia and Latin America and less and less like the relatively uncrowded US i was born into. My reaction–and i’m sure a lot of white people–is get me the heck outta here!

“My contribution was that double-paned windows, better earplugs, and air-conditioning have made it easier to sleep in noisy cities than in the past.”

High gas prices and gentrification served to create white beachheads for middle-class immigration. Having a black president also probably gave some whites hope for the future of race relations, so they were willing to give big cities a shot. Also, Mexicans pushed many dangerous blacks out of the cities, making them safer.

However, since then, the Ferguson Effect, BLM, the Trump era, and lower relative gas prices have pretty much put a damper on all of that.

OT NXIVM STRONGLY CONNECTED TO CLINTON FOREIGN POLICY
NXIVM is connected to Hillary Clinton in every way short of kidnapping Haitian kids for her (although they are indicted for child trafficking), and short of cult leader Keith Raniere officially endorsing her (Frank Parlato says Raniere preferred Trump; however, plenty of Raniere’s followers are clearly outspoken Clinton fans, so they must have been allowed freedom on that point). NXIVM leaders were permitted to join the Clinton Global Initiative and gave all the signs of being With Her to include rubbing elbows with the septuagenarian performance artist Marina Abramovic. “NXIVM” may appear censored in the Podesta emails at WikiLeaks, a search for the term brings up messages with a censored word with as many letters.
The Bronfman sisters have enjoyed high status in the cult since being brought in so Raniere could exploit their inherited wealth. Sara Bronfman is married to a Chelabi-figure, an exiled Libyan extremist who lobbied vigorously for intervention in the hopes of winning a high position or even control of the new Libyan government. Rather than NXIVM leaders being Clinton acolytes, this begins to look like Clinton getting her bright ideas from NXIVM.

https://frankreport.com/2016/01/13/more-on-sara-bronfmans-husband-and-a-libyans-view-of-nxivm/

Consider the other side of the world. Compare Singapore and Hong Kong as case study world cities when reviewing US cities New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Singapore population growth is plateauing (see TradingEconomics.com website) while Hong Kong continues to grow. The former is somewhat bounded as there is no conventional suburban outlet. Hong Kong grows for many reasons and has southeastern China, and some might say even Kowloon (jk), as suburban outlets.

Sam’s Club, Home Depot and most especially a bank or post office brings me back to the reality that the nation I was born in is gone.

To be fair, the other relatively recent impetus, is that a few years back the Democratic party decided that black men didn’t have to listen to, obey, or get arrested by white police officers. And white police officers who don’t appreciate that, will be publically shamed, abused and fired.

This would be fine in a black nation, but is a really bad–“problematic”–notion in a “diverse” community. It pretty much guaratees de-policing. And de-policing doesn’t sound like something you want going on if you’ve decided to pitch your tent in a “diverse” community. Rather it sound like a good reason to get the heck out.

The usual suspects started having dogs instead of children. Now, they’re moving to the suburbs for their … pretend children.

No, sadly, really: https://nypost.com/2018/03/07/childless-couples-are-moving-to-the-suburbs-for-their-dogs/

Chicago is still gentrifying. Lots and lots of apartments going up. I suspect it will end badly again.

Interesting. Could be that the indigenous populace is winning in the fight against gentrification. It has to be seen as a threat, right? My view was that the real target of urban governments is white children.

You can tolerate plenty of white single people – they have minimal public safety needs and mostly want a cool place to hang out. The problem comes if they ever start having babies, since then they begin to demand all sorts of improvements that the cities simply cannot provide, even if they wanted to. Cool restaurants and bars is fine, even the odd pilates studio, if absolutely necessary. But you never want to allow a local white social nexus beyond that level.

Birmingham elected a new mayor with clever mining of the white urban childless vote and promises for better government, etc. We’ll see. Birmingham has been seeding these little colonies with section 8 housing for a while now to make sure things stay unstable.

Man, we’re doomed!

Political correctness does indeed produce stupid governance, but there are plenty of other ways to bring that about.

Online home businesses were plagued for a long time with citations for violation of zoning laws. This wasn’t in the central city, where business and residential areas overlap.

It’s amazing how many dogs people keep now. Multiple dogs, no yard. It’s a civil right. I saw this going door to door for a candidate. Come to the door, reach out for the flier while yelling and holding back three large dogs.

I guess it works if you don’t want strangers come around anyway

Joel Kotkin has been banging this drum for a while now. He’s right, of course, but there’s been such a mountain of BS thrown up by real estate types and neo-Bolsheviks who keep telling us that all young people really want to live in small condos in dense cities that the truth has been totally ignored.

Actually, young people want a little breathing space to start a family. They also like to live in the kind of place where, if your toddler sneaks out the door (a common toddler move), he won’t be instantly mowed down by some harried lawyer on her way to a very important meeting with a client.

I used to take my kids to San Francisco every year or so to spend time with grandma before she retired and moved back to the NW. It was terrifying for me as a parent. I was always afraid they’d get run over by some idiot driver texting at 40mph on city streets.

Furthermore, the cultural element becomes a problem after the kids are nimble enough to jump out of the path of oncoming vehicles. You’ve got teachers, politicians and even cops who hate white kids, especially straight boys. And don’t forget the homosexual perverts who get all but a free pass to go after adolescent boys, e.g. recently disgraced Seattle mayor Ed the ped Murray, who got away with it for decades even though the democrat establishment knew about the allegations the whole time.

The museums and all that stuff are nice, but you know what? Most millennial parents would choose Boise over SF without a second thought. If anything surprises me, it’s that even more aren’t fleeing our progressive “utopias” for more Trumpian locales. The explanation, I suspect, is that they have family ties that bind and they need support due to our massive generational wealth shift to the elderly.

Property taxes. I could move into the city When I was young and doubly employed with no kids. (DINKs). Then it was one income and kids. That worked until it property taxes rose too high to afford homeschool.

OT if you boil your enemies, they win

https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/05/someone-put-live-crabs-seats-ttc-subway/

“Crabs are not permitted on seats, even if they’re accompanied by hot drawn butter and a bib,” he said. “And unless a crab is a service crab or emotional support crab, and we’re doubtful that is the case here, they must be contained in a sealed carrier at all times.”

Having kids changes your mind about a lot of things, some of which you did not expect. Kids are expensive and they are more expensive, and limited in kid things, in a city A nice safe leafy suburb without too many NAMs where you can raise a family just might be the pinnacle of Western Civilization.

I throw up a little whenever anyone utters “fur-babies”

” One jurisdiction experiencing a particularly large uptick in outward migration was Miami-Dade County, Fla. Manny Armada, the county’s chief of planning research, attributes part of that to rising home values. Affordability concerns have likely pushed some families to relocate to less expensive areas of the state, while others who bought homes during the depths of the recession wanted to cash in. ”

The lack of good masstransportation in MDC is surely a big part of this. Parts of Miami’s hip urban core have good public transportation– like Brickell and Downtown– with a metrorail [large-scale above-ground train] and a metromover [small-scale train system] , but much of the rest, like Wynwood and Midtown, Miami Beach, much of Biscayne, etc. are not connected.

Much of Miami and Miami Beach are primed for an influx of young hip 20-30’s people, with a pretty good university close by (UMiami), Brickell developing some really nice skylines, some world-class music festivals, co-working spaces and the like popping up, etc.

But given the terrible traffic Miami faces during anytimes outside of before 8AM and after 6PM, combined with the lack of good mass transportation outside of the urban center, there’s some ceiling beyond which Miami must upgrade its infrastructure.

Uber helps, but even sitting in a car driven by someone else gets frustrating if a normally 15 minute drive takes 45 minutes, which isn’t uncommon during bad traffic.

Beat me to it. Yes, Kotkin and his Krew have been beating the drum…or more accurately, suggesting people look at that damn data…….before accepting as unalterable fact every millenial hipster from Houston to Harrisburg will forevermore quaff their coffee at Central Perk.

http://www.newgeography.com/

Anyone know if there is anything to this?

A friend of mine keep forwarding me “interesting e-mails”, and this guy is “I’m NRA and I Vote” through and through. This e-mail compared Chicago and Houston, each of about 2 million population, that is, within city limits? The run down gave each city about the same population, median income, Chicago has a somewhat higher percentage of black people, Houston a higher percentage of Hispanic people.

As to what is different, Houston has an average yearly temperature of 61 F; Chicago is much colder. It is also pointed out that Chicago has a very strict gun control while Houston is almost like Switzerland where every able bodied male of military age is expected to own and know how to shoot a gun.

The money quote is that Houston has almost a tenth of the homicides of Chicago. The e-mail ends with the NRAish snark, “It must be that warmer temperatures result in much less crime.”

I find this comparison useful, say in trolling a “progressive” who starts with “this business of the murder rate driven by race is racist” and to respond, “Yeah, you are so right! Houston has just about the same demographics, give or take, as Chicago, but they allow lawful gun ownership and they have a tenth the murder rate. This thing about murder being innate to the black community is just so much hoo-ha.”

But maybe there is something to this NRA agitprop? That there is nothing wrong with blacks as a race or a community, the problem is with, gun-grabbing Northern Democrats?

This is geopolitical. The biggest threat to people in big cities comes from missiles not minorities.

It’s a chicken or egg question of which comes first, but wherever there is gentrification, there is liberal city government; wherever there is liberal city government, there are armies of homeless people; wherever there are armies of homeless people, you have cities turned into dung heaps. Check out the leper colony cesspit that 7th Street Metro station has become in downtown Los Angeles.

When young people have children they wanna avoid rabies, scabies, crazies, snoozies, shooties, jackasses and losers – so they move to breathing room.

Yeah, kids make “good schools” winkwink a LOT more important.

No, my reaction is: get THEM the Hell out of here.

That IS pathetic.

Running out of gays?

If you don’t like America you can leave

Hopefully migration from cities will lessen the demographics c dominance of white run suburbs

Agreed, it’s a embarrassing phrase. Look to the bright side, Americans love dogs more than ever. Trump could get support for travels bans by exposing everyone to Muslim hatred for canines.

Sadly, there is a large and increasing number of young people who place little importance on having a normal, well-rounded life that perpetuates their family and their nation (NATION, not country or government). They honestly do not care about housing space for children, and most never will.

They are so morally confused, demoralized, indoctrinated out of any strong positive racial or ethnocultural identity, often sexually confused, and waste their time and money and efforts on endless social media, hookups, drinking and partying, worshipping and talking about “celebrities”, rather than the joys, challenges, sacrifices, and rewards of marriage and parenthood.

Such people are all around us, by the tens of thousands, here in downtown LA. Never seen such a dysfunctional, stunted, self hating, anti-life anti-family bunch of people in my life, and they are proliferating even in cities less brainwashed and hateful than LA.

They can afford to live forever in small spaces, splitting sky high rents with one or two other perpetual adolescents (including homosexuals, bitter “feminists”, and other genetic deadenders), no concern for quality of schools, no concern for extremely publicly vulgar and sexualized environment, because all their time and money and effort is for themselves only, no thought for the future of their families or nation. They don’t care about the things that are destroyed or weakened by our governmnet’s Policies and its sick propaganda in gov schools and otherwise, including affordable housing and a wholesome milieu to raise good people in.

Here are my two cents on the next stage in the suburbanization of the metropolitan complex (based around the idea of factories in the countryside run on part-time jobs):

Sadly, the stupids also decamp for sane locales and promptly repeat the stupidity there. Red States are turning Blue because of a number of factors, but one of them include this process of people fleeing the results of their politics and then repeating them. The New England states are exhibit A.

Sam’s Club, Home Depot and most especially a bank or post office brings me back to the reality that the nation I was born in is gone.

It was always too diverse to be a nation, anyway. It was a nice country– and most of it is still country today.

What I don’t understand is why people move to the third- or fourth-ring county for space, then live in a “town home”– actually, a town garage with bedrooms attached. WTFWTF?!
http://homesofspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/DR_SPIRIT_TWINHomes.jpg

Likewise.

My own sister is a nonlefty politically, but still a close minded feminist who is at best indifferent to children, and cannot fathom our tiresome obsession with our children and perpetuating our family. She spends the time, money, and care that a normal person would mostly devote to children, to her animals (rides horses, keeps dogs and cats, etc.).

She has never gotten over our exchange that started when she remarked, “the animals are like my children.” I responded, “I love animals too, but I’m sorry, your animals are nothing like children.” They don’t require anything like the sacrifice and work that it takes to raise real children, they don’t keep our family going into the next generation, they don’t perpetuate our nation’s language or culture or values, they can’t vote or speak out or demonstrate or fight for our country or freedom. And animals offer nothing like the relationship, the love, or the maturation (of the parents) that children do.

She’s a “successful” but pathetic woman who will die “without issue”, as we used to say. She won’t pass along her prodigious intelligence and productivity and work ethic, while the dregs of society are breeding like rabbits.

The dog parks here in LA are full of people like her and much worse. I look at the assortment of mostly white homosexuals, metrosexual “straight” men, and generally porcine women fawning over their dogs instead of human children and think, “this is the end of our people right here.”

Running out of gays?

If it’s running out of them, I hope they’re not standing on carpet.

Otherwise, call Servicemaster.

I’ve been assaulted, threatened, and harassed repeatedly by African-“Americans” in our cities. Never suffered at the hands of a foreign missile yet.

But I’d prefer a city and society free of these resentful savages AND a foreign policy that doesn’t belligerently provoke and insult and sanction and raise the risk of a war.

A nice safe leafy suburb without too many NAMs where you can raise a family just might be the pinnacle of Western Civilization.

I think our definitions of “pinnacle” and “civilization” may differ.

I lingered a bit too long in Costco and HomeDepot today and got caught in bit of early Pugetopolis rush hour traffic. Yuck. Our elites insist on having the door open wide making this more and more like a combo of Asia and Latin America and less and less like the relatively uncrowded US i was born into. My reaction–and i’m sure a lot of white people–is get me the heck outta here!

Asians, as in NE (Chinese) or even SE Asians, would be orders of magnitude more desirable to what I’m seeing more and more of here in the Boston metro area. West Africans, Indians, Pakis, Guatemalans, Haitians, East Africans, Dominicans, et al. And all talking on their phones at 80 decibels in their native language.

The numbers given seem like really thin weak evidence for this as a trend. It sounds like a reporter was assigned to look at some new government data, and did the journalistic equivalent of “p-hacking” it. Then he contacted enough experts who want to see their names in print to get quotes to, not support the thesis even, but to assume the thesis is true and comment on said thesis’s implications.

The demographic is aging and having kids. Hence wanting a little more space. High density urban housing for all was always a lie.

In the 80’s the the Pacific Northwest suffered an invasion of Californians fleeing the results of their Progressive policies , now they’re a joke .
I’ve seen a few bits on companies leaving California for Arizona and Nevada . Their employees will most likely bring their politics with them as they are following their jobs not fleeing the insanity . On the upside real estate prices will go crazy and the jump in pop. will over strain the the meager water resources.

It’s not just the suburbs. Small towns in South Central states are going through a boom as places like Nashville get ridiculously overpriced.

Census Bureau: Chicago loses population for third straight year
ELVIA MALAGON | Chicago Tribune | Mar 22, 2018

Jewish gun control is SOP in the Northern suburbs of Chicago. That is what drives gun control in Chicago and the New England states (Vermont passing gun control laws! That’s what happens when communists move in.).

Chicago really wasn’t that bad vis-a-vis gun control laws until 1968 and on. We had no concealed carry in IL because of the Democrats, but then after MLK/RFK, we got IL FOID, gun registration, AR bans, SNS bans, etc. Indeed, believe it or not there actually was a Chinatown gun shop around eight decades ago.

I think our definitions of “pinnacle” and “civilization” may differ.

Agreed:

Isn’t there a much simpler explanation?

The population of the country is growing. All those people have to live somewhere. Sure, you can put some of the new people in the cities by making the cities denser, but most people don’t want to live in denser cities. Therefore, most of the new population ends up in the suburbs.

You can’t put ten pounds of organic fertilizer in a five pound bag. You need to make another bag.

Can’t have a free-range kid without the range! These days, that is practically child abuse, yet people persist.

One joy of suburban or exurban or rural life, essentially anything other than urban life, is space. Conventional economics would show that people trade off commute time for aspects of quality of life. Move to the burbs, demand more space.

By not having someone on the other side of that common wall, or upstairs, there are fewer disruptions to one’s equanimity. Of course, that is extreme bad thinking, and practically spaceist or something equally horrible. I fully expect to read about some assault on non-urbanites for their dark motivations of Lebensraum and life privilege.

I’ve been living in NYC for the last 7 years and will be leaving by the end of the year. A number of factors effecting the decision.
1. Subway system has completely fallen apart due to horrible government management (delayed every day). It’s no longer a convenience compared to driving.
2. Less government management of the homeless population. Starting to feel like SF.
3. Unreasonable cost to buy even a 1br apartment
4. Getting older, need some space for kids.
5. Starting to make real money and taxes are a killer especially with Trump tax changes coming.
6. Political correctness has gotten to the point that I can hardly talk about anything. So what do I need all these people around for?

I would expect this trend is going to accelerate.

I lingered a bit too long in Costco and HomeDepot today and got caught in bit of early Pugetopolis rush hour traffic. Yuck. Our elites insist on having the door open wide making this more and more like a combo of Asia and Latin America and less and less like the relatively uncrowded US i was born into. My reaction–and i’m sure a lot of white people–is get me the heck outta here!

Since I have a lot of children (many mouths to feed), my wife once suggested that we get a Costco membership. So I visited a location and had that exact reaction. It was overrun with Hispanics and Indians, of questionable citizenship, who seem not to share the norms of civilization such as good manners.

I told my wife to forget the idea, and that we should move FAR away from that place. And we did.

In the 1950s and 60s, the suburbs were stereotypically WASP/Republican while the cities were Ethnic/Democrat. This changed with the ‘white flight’ of the 1970s and 80s.

Good call. I have three stories of people interested in moving to Boise in the last two weeks. This article is the fourth discussion of that. Trend confirmed. But I suspect it won’t be 50s-90s style suburban living. Look for the underutilized areas of the U.S. to get small- and medium sized-town population growth. Boise. West Virginia. Eastern Oregon. Montana. Plenty of small towns cheap and ready for a renaissance, now with modern infrastructure. Or even just a regular naissance. The old Americans find a new frontier.

A lot of this is likely generational as well as tied to the economy. People want space when they have kids but they usually need decent enough jobs in places where the right housing is available to have kids.

So about 10 years ago, there were breathless articles in the Washington Post about how DC was being gentrified and that soon the Virginia suburbs would start to lose populations as all kinds of people learned to love urban areas again. They were very triumphalist.

Then a couple of years ago, the Post had to publish corrections – that hipsters and young people who moved to DC were starting to move to the suburbs once they had children. DC simply didn’t have the children-centric infrastructure of the suburbs.

However, it’s also true that the suburbs have changed too. They have much more “New Urbanist” aesthetic and planning now (walkable to stores, etc.). Everyone is going for that “self-contained village” vibe, and is attempting to offer the best of both worlds – the suburban safety, space, and kids-friendliness (read “good schools”) combined with urban hipsterism (“Thai restaurants!” “Expensive barber shops!”).

The cities are too expensive, no one can live there anymore.

Chicago and Houston have radically different histories. Very different white tribes in Houston than in Chicago. Whites invented the cities and set up the civic rules/culture. Blacks take cues from the local white culture. Steve discusses this dynamic in Let The Good Times Roll Louisiana.

Chicago has a long history of extreme/chronic white corruption. This stuff matters.

That’s… profoundly wrong. Houston’s murder rate is lower than that of Chicago, but is way above both the US national average for 2016 (5.3 per 100,000 people), is above the Texas state average (also 5.3), and is way, way above the developed-world average of 0.5 to 1.5. Houston preliminarily reported 269 murders in 2017 for a city of 2.3 million (a rate of 11.7), compared to Chicago’s 650 murders for 2.7 million (24.1).

But, more broadly, looser gun laws appear to do absolutely nothing to control crime rates in American cities. The most violent big city of all – St. Louis – reported a staggering 205 murders for only 309,000 people – a civil-war-level rate of 66.3 – and Missouri’s gun laws are friendlier to gun owners than Texas. This also holds true on a state-by-state basis, where the most murderous state (Louisiana) has much friendlier gun laws than certain states toward the bottom of the murder list, like Hawaii.

Public transit is like tracer bullets: they point both ways.

In other words, the metrorail right-of-ways that allow you to bypass car traffic, also allow undesirables to bypass the screening process of having a driving license and car insurance to come to your neighborhood, workplace, and SWPL hangouts. All they need is a two dollar rail ticket or just jumping the turnstiles and BOOM: effortless access to all your nice things.

The reason that the LA transit map in Her is fiction: Beverly Hills et al. don’t want that.

Maybe, but just because some people are moving out of the inner cities doesn’t mean that the big bad, ultra liberal cities are losing population share. Most rural areas are stagnating and so are most small cities (unlike large FIRE cities, most small cities need anchor industries to provide jobs). That’s a shame because I’ve generally found that people in small cities tend to have the most interesting (and politically incorrect) views on politics.

That same square footage can cost millions in a city though. A lot of those new suburban townhomes have the same or more square footage than older detached suburban homes. And too much yard can be a hassle to maintain.

Asians, as in NE (Chinese) or even SE Asians, would be orders of magnitude more desirable to what I’m seeing more and more of here in the Boston metro area.

Maybe so. But if we need more people in this country, we should raise up our own.

In other words, the metrorail right-of-ways that allow you to bypass car traffic, also allow undesirables to bypass the screening process of having a driving license and car insurance to come to your neighborhood, workplace, and SWPL hangouts. All they need is a two dollar rail ticket or just jumping the turnstiles and BOOM: effortless access to all your nice things.

The reason that the LA transit map in Her is fiction: Beverly Hills et al. don’t want that.

Seems to me that a genuinely conservative federal government would make damn sure they got it, like it or not.

AIMBY: Always In Meathead’s Back Yard.

To what extent does Johor Bahru serve as a suburban escape valve for Singapore? It’s pretty dumpy, but they’re extending the MRT (though not til 12/21/2024 under the current plan), which should make it easier for lower-middle-class workers to commute from there.

If Malaysia’s political situation improves, as the media is breathlessly telling us after the election, perhaps that would be a factor.

I suspect the recession and bad labour market that led so many Gen X/Y to delay raising a family is the key, the bulk of that population started to reach the point of no return and is now starting to have families if they can.

Let me guess: Ctrl + “migr” = the empty set.

The city/suburb distinction is a false dichotomy if pressed passed the point of external trappings. Internally and essentially, there is nothing now that it is not simply a fragment of the megalopolis, and that includes the exurbs and even the “rural” areas. The precise degree of urbanization in a particular locale matters little to the spiritual condition of the inhabitants thereof. Inwardly, everyone has moved to the imperial city.

The ideal of our period is the so-called “limousine liberal,” the urban man of money whose shallow opinions set the standards for the policy, the ethics, and even the aesthetics of the entire society. Suburban life is largely the attempt by people of fewer means to ape the tastes and habits of this sage. Apart from the spell cast by money and the coveted freedom enjoyed by those who move through the urban scene unabated by the lack of it, there is nothing intrinsically desirable about suburban life.

For those who do not belong to this mental universe, there are few things more bleak than wandering through a suburban landscape, where all is dead and silent at any hour of the day except for the major thoroughfares, which are continuously ablaze with the most chaotic traffic. The vast, sun-baked distances, traversable only by automobile, might as well be the walls of a prison. In trying to walk from point to point one is met by strange impasses—drainage ditches, hideous landscaping, road cuts, the amoeba-like reservations of some mega-mart parking lot—that are entirely alien to the place and make no sense unless one is A) in a car; B) continually connected to the electronic surround; and C) in the possession of money to spend. The suburbs did not arise organically from the soil on which they are built; they are the projections of the cosmopolitan mind across the landscape, laying dead and heavy upon it, drawing up all life into its veins like some enormous fungus.

True freedom exists there only in the weed that cracks the pavement. That little dandelion in the expansion joint, improbable survivor amidst the acres of asphalt, is an earnest of the eternal rhythms that speak to us of a time when the suburbs were not yet, and a time when they will be no more. To be that weed, to widen that crack, to bring down to rubble the mountains of concrete with the slow strength of the trees, is the task of the Traditionalist in the modern world.

When we are forced to go to San Francisco or San José, I (a damned near pure-bred Celt with all that entails regarding pastoralist, etc.) become physiologically traumatised (I’m not exaggerating) by the sheer overcrowding horror and literal inability to move. My wife, from Bogotá and doubtless with significant blood from Amerindians of the kind who spent centuries of not millennia thriving in large urban areas supported by intensive agriculture (think of the Inca and Aztecs), is not only unshaded; she enjoys it. I am convinced there is a genetic component to this phenomenon.

Reproduction is related, too.

Whites literally die in captivity.

It is of course illegal, for good reason, to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk in nearly every city.

But that’s racist.

Here is an incentive to get out of San Francisco:

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — San Francisco hands out millions of syringes a year to drug users but has little control over how they are discarded and that’s contributing to thousands of complaints.

The city distributes an estimated 400,000 syringes each month through various programs aimed at reducing HIV and other health risks for drug users. About 246,000 syringes are discarded through the city’s 13 syringe access and disposal sites. But thousands of the others end up on streets, in parks and other public areas, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Thursday.

Last year, the city’s logged more than 9,500 requests for needle pick-up. This year, there has been more than 3,700 requests already.

Still, the city has no plans to change its policy of handing out unlimited numbers of needles.

To address the problem, San Francisco Mayor Farrell has hired 10 workers whose sole job will be to pick up needles starting in June.

Black murder rates in Atlanta, Charlotte or Houston are far lower than Chicago due to density – lower density saves blacks from themselves and prevents the “youth” from going bonkers wild.

Atlanta has long since destroyed all high-density public housing, the poorest blacks now live in suburban/exurban areas like South Fulton/South Dekalb/Clayton County where they live in ratty apartment complexes or duplexes, rather than in tall tenement buildings that are ripe for gang formation like on the South side of Chicago. Charlotte has made it a point to distribute poorer blacks across a wider geographical range for more than a generation, although there’s somewhat of a cluster on the Northside (in the Mallard Creek area, for instance.)

And blacks do much better economically down South than in Chicago, so they can move outwards to semi-decent suburbs that are affordable (in Atlanta that’s places like SE Dekalb/Lithonia, Stone Mountain or Ellenwood, for instance) – I can’t imagine that option is available to blacks in Illinois – it’s Chicago or nothing.

A huge cause of the black murder rate in Chicago is “social media feuds” between groups/gangs that lead to shooting.

In a place like Atlanta it takes a lot more work to get your crew together from their distributed suburban living quarters and then go over to confront the others talking trash on Instagram or posting rap lyrics about you on Snapchat, so the murders don’t occur anywhere near as often. In the Chicago projects they just walk the 6 blocks to where their “enemies” reside and start firing.

If Mr. Sailer indulges it, I cannot resist adding this dramatised – but quite accurate – representation of how such things used to play out, even as recently as my own childhood in the 1980s, when the U.S.A. still existed, with particular emphasis upon the races involved.

I left apartment-dwelling behind and moved to a single-family home on a third of an acre when I needed space to park my boat.

Singapore population growth is plateauing

Possibly because Singapore is full. At 5.5 million it has the same sized population as Scotland, on a small diamond shaped island 21 miles by 14 or 280 square miles – an area the same size the Island of Anglesea – population 70,000 – off the North Wales coast. Singapore has more than twice the population density of Greater London.

They – Singapore – have taken quite a few immigrants in the last 40 years, but have been careful to maintain the 80% Han Chinese demographic, so many of these tend to come from China and Hong Kong.

I lived in Singapore in the early 70s, or rather went to visit my expat English parents during my UK boarding school’s holidays. It seemed pretty full then, when the population was around 2 million. This was during Lee Kuan Yew’s tenure as PM. Singapore was hyper orderly and worked like a well oiled machine back then. I loved the place, a massive contrast from chaotic, corrupt and malodorous India, from where the family moved, where I was born and spent my first 10 years.

How much more yard work would there be if there were a narrow strip of grass separating the two homes? I think the main reason is that there is some sort of tax break when there’s a single roof covering two residences.

Where are all the people with lots of money going to come from to fill all these luxurious new buildings (and 8000 sq foot city-style mansions)?

I also cannot see it ending positively.

I am surprised this already is not a broad phenomenon with all the marvels of modern communications.

The real problem here is gluten intolerance. How are you supposed to enjoy the circus if you’ve got no bread?

Americans have always loved dogs. People will get them whether they are single or have a large family.

They aren’t child replacements, they are dogs — same as they’ve always been, and many, many people get a lot of enjoyment out of them.

My contribution was that double-paned windows, better earplugs, and air-conditioning have made it easier to sleep in noisy cities than in the past.

Try being completely deaf in one ear: it’s amazing! I don’t sleep quite as well in Manhattan as in rural Connecticut, but damn near… Between that and excusably freezing out people you don’t want to talk to at dinner, it’s the finest disability available to humanity.

But not everyone shares my disadvantage. I’d argue that like almost everything, the move to the suburbs boils down to demography.

Most of the projects in Chicago have been torn down for half a generation. The vast majority of violent black neighborhoods are composed of brick style apartment buildings, four flats and single family houses.

Poor blacks moving out, white yuppies moving in. It is the Daley/Emanuel plan.

Part of it is the ridiculous “pet parents”, but around here it’s mostly that the condo in Cambridge/Somerville/Arlington that they bought after the 2008 crash has doubled in value. They’re selling and moving to the ‘burbs, where they get the natives laughing with their fedoras and ludicrous facial hair.

London is losing people but the replacements are Africans and Pakistanis being dumped into Social Housing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4724524/Exodus-London-highest-five-years.html

Vermont has its own version of the 2nd A., without the militia clause. I think I read somewhere that the ACLU type lawyers are trying to find a way around it; that is, a rationale for just ignoring it.

“The numbers given seem like really thin weak evidence for this as a trend.”

The only t hing more inaccurate than journalistic “trend” articles featuring some some statistics are journalist “trend”articles with no statistics at all.

There’s never been any valid evidence that transit systems have led to rising crime rates in suburban areas by allowing urban criminals to get to those area more easily. Which is hardly surprising. Criminals generally are stupid, but they’re smart enough to know that making their escapes on a train makes it easier for the police to catch them.

Former New Yorker and I agree to all these points.

However, I think the overlooked factor in American suburbanization, including the earlier waves post World War 2, has simply been population growth. The additional 150 million plus people that have come along after World War 2 needed to go somewhere. Its always been easiest and cheapest to just through up more hours at the edge of metropolitan areas and worry about the infrastructure later.

And in recent decades this population growth has been derived from immigration.

Now the usual explanations -and here is another overlooked one, the disappearance of manufacturing jobs from cities- do apply where cities experienced absolute declines in population. This is happening with Chicago and happened throughout the Midwest and Mid Atlantic. But there are many instances of city populations stagnating (or more likely, like New York, dropping and then recovering and stagnating) and in these instances a better explanation is that the central city just got full. This could have been alleviated by better urban governance, which in the US is horrible, and a more urban friendly culture, but again ultimately the extra people had to go somewhere. Also keep in mind that Europe and Japan, which urbanists like to compare the USA to, did not experience the same population growth as the USA between 1945 and 2015.

Explain Vermont. Until very recently they’ve had fuck-all for gun laws and the lowest murder rate in the country.

Explain Massachusetts. We have what are among the most strict gun laws in America and the highest murder rate in New England (though failed state Connecticut is closing in). Boston’s murder rate is 8.5. Despite the laxity of Florida gun laws, Tampa has a murder rate of 7.3. Both cities are about 47% white.

My brother, who grew up in the Boston are has lived in the Tampa Bay area for the past 20 years, says his experience proves that the Heinlein quote is pretty on target: an armed society is a polite society.

The reasons to live in a central city really come down to being able to ditch the car and live in an apartment instead of a big house with its own lot. Both the car and the big house are money sinks and this often gets overlooked in these discussions. But it follows that living in a central city that either has really high housing costs and/ or crappy mass transit is pretty much pointless. I think the collapse of the NYC subway system is going turn out to be a big deal going forward.

And all of the new buildings are bland boxes and are taking away the charm of old Victorian era architecture that brought a lot of people back into Chicago in the first place. Also, there is a lot of way out of scale building going on where they tear down a couple of 3 plats and put up a 42 story high rise.

Chicago seems to be growing on the edges of the gentrified city neighborhoods and at the edges of the suburban sprawl (Central Kane and McHenry Counties). The rest is either ghetto, or in the case of the older suburbs, Fergusons waiting to happen.

Transit and crime:

It’s that it allows the black undertow to live in places where the transit does not go, which breeds black violent crime in those areas.

Parts of Miami’s hip urban core have good public transportation– like Brickell and Downtown– with a metrorail [large-scale above-ground train] and a metromover [small-scale train system] , but much of the rest, like Wynwood and Midtown, Miami Beach, much of Biscayne, etc. are not connected.

This is a FEATURE, not a bug. How long would South Beach be “cool” if public transit enabled Overtown or Liberty City to turn every night into Memorial Day Urban Beach Weekend?

The Last Yankee (read WASP) had agreed with the hordes of Eastern and Southern Europeans, the Chinese, the Jews, and those in between.

https://www.granger.com/results.asp?image=0065031&screenwidth=1332

See, WASPs are the “true Americans”. So unless you are able to trace directly your ancestors on both sides to Great Britain…you must go back.

I believe Reg’s point was that those pictured houses are actually duplexes – two addresses, and (presumably) two families, in each structure. If you look closely, it appears that each has two entrance points / address plates / etc.

Even then, a duplex is better than a full townhome with neighbors on either side. Which is, itself, still better than an apartment or condo with neighbors up, down, left and right. In a duplex, you basically have one other family to worry about. Assuming they’re normal, clean, and non-criminal, having a neighbor on the far side of just one wall is fairly manageable.

This presumes, of course, that by accepting this arrangement you’re getting something better (wrt another of the house’s attributes) when compared to a similarly priced single family house – shorter commute, better school district, better fixtures and construction, etc.

Heavy. So where do we start?

Felt exactly the same 4 years ago and moved to a nice Westchester suburb. Had been good overall.

But don’t think that Number 6 will improve. If anything it got worse. The social scene is controlled by women, who are overwhelmingly politically correct. Many of the men I know here live in terror of speaking their minds or they could be excommunicated.

It’s almost the reverse of the Stepford Wives. Crazy.

In Atlanta it’s been shown many times that petty crime tends to flow from the Marta stations that extend out into the very nice, mostly white suburbs like Dunwoody, Brookhaven, Buckhead or Sandy Springs. It’s usually roving groups of youths pulling car break-ins or purse snatchings, but it can get worse.

On the northside of Atlanta, the presence of a train station simply puts youths from high crime areas with ability to access other areas that would’ve been very hard to reach and very far away without a car – once there they will consider committing crimes once they are more familiar and feel comfortable in the area. Plus, there’s probably not as much to steal on their own side of town.

Recent story — after two carjackers in Sandy Springs robbed a man who left an ATM and then fled, police engaged them in a car chase, arrested one and the other got away on foot.

So what did the police do? They staked out the nearby Marta station on a “hunch” (LOL, meaning that they somehow instinctively knew the “youth” would try to flee back to the south side via the train)

Like clockwork, he showed up attempting to access the train and was arrested.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/suspect-sandy-springs-robbery-carjacking-arrested-marta-station/OnyWiZ8hNPpCQ0KlWiY3YM/

All six New England states are near the bottom of the list of states by murder rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

The weed that cracks the pavement and the little dandelion in the expansion joint seem to me like the Garden of Earthly Delights when I’m in a place like that.

While there is some truth to that episode–I was always fond of that show–it was not always the case of “how things played out”. More often than not, there were more white parents during the 1950’s who neglected to instill the proper discipline in their children. Parents generallty felt that their children was squandering their opportunities. In the opening of “The Blackboard Jungle” (1955), “….Today we are concerned with juvenile delinquency – its causes – and its effects. We are especially concerned when this delinquency boils over into our schools. The scenes and incidents depicted here are fictional. However, we believe that public awareness is a first step towards a remedy for any problem…”

The Andy Griffith Show, like other half-hour sitcoms of that decade, idealized white society at the expense of other groups of people at a time when there was increasing levels of juvenile delinquency. It would appear this trend would lay at the feet of white people. See, the late “Silent” and early “Boomer” generation was viewed as lazy, spoiled, reckless, lacking discipline, thumbing their nose at authority…and violent. (White) parents who had grown up in the Roaring 20’s were generally to blame for their seemingly carefree attitudes on child rearing. Education systems, especially in working class neighborhoods and in the central city, where whites remained a majority, were seen as a hotbed of youthful misbehavior and teenage crime which was infiltrating rural environments.

So, if you want to be honest here, NOTICE the actual trend and take into serious consideration that television was a vehicle to promote conformity.

Could this simply be due to the aging of the boomer generation ?

Dogs, good lord I think it’s gone beyond a civil right to own them, it’s now a violation if your dogless fellow citizens refuse to engage you in friendly discourse about what their names are, breed, age, etc. Out for a walk to enjoy a sunny afternoon and choose to cross to the other side of the street to avoid two large unleashed ones? Your marked as a dog-hater. Re-education required.

If you think most people can afford Uber for such a commute, I’m happy that you’re higher-income and/or don’t have children, but that’s unrealistic.

Secondly, lack of mass transit is not the main reason people are fleeing Miami. They want to live in the United States of America, not Latin America.

I’m generally all for more trains and buses to relieve the congestion and pollution here, but I don’t know that we’d ever take that line. There’s little we can afford in Beverly Hills, and the people are even more arrogant, anti-Christian, anti-American, anti-family, unfriendly, brainwashed, and hypocritical than the rest of LA — which is saying a lot.

The same is true, to slightly lesser degree, of the recently opened Expo Line train to Santa Monica. Though at least SM is on the coast and has that wonderfully cool weather.

Good points all.

But living in a center city is not pointless for some people, even with absurdly high rents. That’s why we pay them as long as we can (which will be not much longer for us, the way our rent is going 😉 I walk to work and have been able to meet my wife and child(ren) at the playground or restaurant briefly at lunchtime on hundreds of days while they were very little. I am with them, and helping my wife, until shortly before my workday starts. Then I’m home quickly after work ends, again helping my wife and being with the kids.

LA is, of course, both economically and culturally ill-suited to raising children, let alone normal heterosexual children who are not deeply dysfunctional. But downtown offers that location, location, location, which is worth it for some of us for a while.

A consequence of someone normal / traditional living in a downtown, though, is that you may spend weekends driving to the relative normalcy farther out. Both our kids’ Saturday language class and our church on Sunday are a long drive from downtown LA.

Yes, and the reported deterioration of safety and reliability in the DC Metro would be disastrous for people there too. Imagine adding some of those vehicles back to the roads from MD and VA. MISERABLE.

Sad to say, and doesn’t include everyone obviously, but Africans, once again, are the biggest reason why “we can’t have nice things.”

There is a reason we call them Massholes. Numerous reasons, actually. Present company excluded 😉

My wife and I used to walk through a couple of the tunnels in downtown LA (before moving to a slightly different location). I mostly stopped, and she stopped entirely, after witnessing one homeless man deliberately masturbating in front of me on the sidewalk, another homeless guy sitting on the curb and defecating onto the street, and yet another who intentionally gets in my way and either pushes or makes me go around.

Every one of them African, by the way. Funny the white and Hispanic homeless people don’t seem “driven by poverty” to such disgusting, insulting, disease-spreading, civilization-destroying acts.

The cops periodically move these guys, but they merely ruin some other block and come back when they want to. The city cleans the tunnels, but does nothing to punish or confine the people who are continuously urinating, defecting, throwing food and trash on the ground, and flaunting their animal behavior in our faces, so the tunnels get quickly dirty and unhealthy again.

LA was, and could be, such a beautiful fun unique place. But by and large, it’s not anymore.

Equalmente, pendejo.

Yes.

Let me proffer as exhibit B: NJ, which was initially wrecked in large part by people fleeing NYC.

Exhibit C: Nevada and Colorado, which have been badly Californicated. Add in endless Mexican immigration and the glorious Old West is mostly gone.

That photo shows grassy parking lots at the Florida football stadium. Grassy parking lots make the best settings for tailgating.

Trees, undulating hills, a collegiate stadium built a hundred years ago, cheap cold beers and hamburgers. Van Morrison singing ‘take me back, take me back, take me back…’

Last three times I was in nyc, I felt I never wanted to see the place again. Went to see relatives, both mine and my wife’s.

Union Square “Park” in Manhattan was like the freaking bar in Star Wars (credit to bobby slayton). Almost nobody white or even American of any background, and if they were, they were unfriendly homosexual-acting types or bitchy fat lefty chicks. Unclean, unsmiling, lots of glaring, smoking wherever they wanted in people’s faces, Africans making little effort to conceal some kind of drug sales on a couple Benches. People wearing shirts with swear words on them, hysterical. And the always clever “F—- Trump” and “deport racists.”

My wife, herself a LEGAL, LOYAL, ENGLISH-SPEAKING immigrant, is disappointed and disillusioned to see NYC and LA and America generally. She realizes that she came too late to the USA, and that we were both born too late to experience the real America.

Even my old friend whom we visited has become a really twisted chick since moving back to nyc. She married a wealthy Jewish lawyer, and both were really friendly and gracious to us. She is someone I cared about and spent a lot of time with as a younger guy, working together at first, and still someone I care about and Pray for.

But dinner conversation had to steer clear of anything political, religious, meaningful. My friend mentioned that her then 10-year-old daughter had a girl friend who had decided she is a boy. That was perfectly fine with the girl’s parents, and my friend and her new hubby were taken aback at our politely and quietly expressed disapproval. NYC, like LA, drums any common sense and normalcy out of you if you are not very mentally and psychologically strong and morally grounded.

A popular bumper sticker in Houston in the early 80s, when 1000 people a week were moving there, was “I don’t give a damn how you did it up North”.

Starting to make real money …

If you don’t mind me asking, what is “real money” in NYC? I would think you’d need 250k at least.

Yes, you and I both have many mouths to feed: our children, african children and mothers, and now Mexican and “Latino”children and their mothers. We pay for more groceries for unassimilating or hostile people’s children than for our own. Screw this.

One of the goals, if not the primary goal, of whites–from the far right to the far-left virtue signalling corps, is to adequately gentrify an area–under any guise possible–to border off blacks (and to a degree Latinos). No matter how much they just love black folk they work with at their job (topic for another time, how they gentrify away from that at work also), or that “one good black friend” they have–whites of all political stripes do their best to create and sustain worlds in which interactions with blacks are restricted heavily (swim club/pool fees), constrained by circumstances (i.e. “safe” like at a grocery store checkout), or removed all together.

Suburbs used to be the safe way to do that, but with Section 8 home almost always being required (under whatever name your town, city or state uses), by raw number or percentage in a given zip code, it has made it increasingly difficult to build physical, geographic, academic, and social barriers between upper middle class whites and blacks. Even with financial barriers, such as expensive homes, there will be some form of a Section 8 often found, planned, with new construction/neighborhoods, which guarantees black children attending their schools, arrests in the neighborhood, general crime and further atomization–people staying indoors, avoiding even tot lots where black kids are likely to run rampant, usually unmonitored. The presence of their mother can actually make things worse.

One work-around has been these super selected, hyper atomized, mini-burbs that are within burbs, that have the grocery store, the barber shop, a starbucks, one gas station, and maybe a home depot. They have to go up quick, be expensive, and be small. The new thing is to have an elementary school and swimming pool/clubhouse within, self-contained. After elementary school of course, all bets are off and your kids will be shoved off to dangerous middle and high schools where blacks and “unpapered visitors” to our country will be the dominate demographic.

As demographics continue to shift, the remaining white children will grow up red pilled to the max, if they survive. My guess is that being significant minorities will necessitate tribalism with these whites kids (much like LA in the 80s/90s), but it will not be enough–too little, too late.

The rich and the poor can live here.

Plenty of small towns cheap and ready for a renaissance, now with modern infrastructure.

Having high speed internet almost everywhere as part of modern infrastructure makes a big difference. I work from home, and am considering moving to a small town where I can buy a nice house for $200k, the traffic is low, the people are friendly, and the real estate tax will be $800/year instead of $8800/ year.

Look for the underutilized areas of the U.S. to get small- and medium sized-town population growth.

Not encouraging. Urban areas need to be held and kept desirable; under the current model, the usual suspects will soon be following into the small and medium towns and working their “magic”.

So you do realize that almost anyplace with a large number and proportion of Africans is going to be savage and dangerous, no matter what the gun laws?

The people doing the shootings and armed robberies / burglaries typically are already prohibited from owning guns under federal law (previously convicted felons, illegal aliens, or minors). They’re already committing a felony by having the gun, and they don’t care about the law, so more “gun control” doesn’t affect them.

So in African-afflicted areas, we can have either a constant violent threat and the legal means to defend ourselves, or a constant threat of violence and no legal means to defend ourselves. I choose the latter, “lax” gun laws and strong self-defense rights.

The murderous East Anglian bug-eyed bog dwellers who settled New England were so self-aware of their own murderousness that they made it a substantial part of their theology to keep it in check.

Sublimation of sex drives and sublimation of violent tendencies produced a remarkably peaceful civilization in New England. The French, Irish and others have been slowly acculturated to the basic East Anglian admonition to keep your damn composure without immediately resorting to violence every time somebody accidentally steps on your toes. If you do accidentally bump someone, or step on their toes, you better be apologetic or New Englanders will get pissed off. They may not show it, but they are pissed, and they have a right to be pissed.

Example:

Some Massachusetts Jew moves to New Hampshire and thinks it’s funny not to apologize for bumping into you. The Aggressively Annoying Massachusetts Jew that doesn’t apologize for his own transgressions is increasingly becoming an unpleasant phenomenon in New Hampshire.

Same thing about East Anglian sublimation for Quakers in Virginia, and yes Virginia, there were Quakers in Virginia.

As for low-murder Hawaii, its population is overwhelmingly Asian (mostly Filipino and Japanese), white, and mixed Asian/white, in that order. Only TWO percent african.

Kinda like low-murder Montana and low-murder Vermont. Just a coincidence, I guess.

Yeah, not really. Lighten up, Francis. Exaggerated and odd view of the suburbs. If you don’t want to live there, don’t live there.

For addicts who are US Citizens, pay for rehab, with constant drug testing, and a small safe, clean, dignified place to live — and force them to choose that or a long prison sentence.

For addicts who are not US Citizens, deportation or execution.

Most of the bad behavior I’ve seen at Costco is from groups of white chicks. Cart scamming, line cutting, and such. In bars, most of the blatantly ill-mannered behavior I’ve seen is from white chicks and gays.

Back to the Suburbs

New Hampshire cities are being inundated with non-Europeans and non-Christians.

Watch the New Hampshire presidential primary for massive tribalistic messaging from candidates.

The War On Whitey — WOW — has hit New Hampshire.

http://www.unionleader.com/education/Nashuas-changing-demographics-require-a-bigger-school-budget-superintendent-says-05112018

It is wild to see the baby boomers and others try to hush up this demographic nightmare unfolding in New Hampshire. The public school systems in New Hampshire are going non-White and they are going non-White fast. Property values for residential and commercial real estate in New Hampshire cities are going to drop like a rock. Young White couples with any brains will avoid buying real estate in New Hampshire cities to protect their children from the multicultural mayhem destroying public education.

Manchester, Nashua and Concord are seeing an explosion of non-White and non-Christian students in their public school systems. When the federal funds rate hits about 5 percent and White young couples begin to avoid buying real estate in New Hampshire cities, that will cause the price of real estate in New Hampshire cities to collapse.

Very few people in New Hampshire have the ancestry or intellect or honesty or integrity to discuss the upcoming demographic nightmare in New Hampshire public schools.

Trumpy needs to be challenged in the New Hampshire presidential primary to keep his feet to the fire on immigration, refugee resettlement and the White racial replacement that is going on in New Hampshire.

We want to love Trumpy, but Trumpy has to make himself lovable.

Nashua's changing demographics require a bigger school budget, superintendent says (story from @Kimber_Houghton) … https://t.co/79G2ra5uUW pic.twitter.com/lzzDiiDw2W

— UnionLeader.com (@UnionLeader) May 11, 2018

So what? Many people have such thoughts. But it’s a lot easier to get yourself out. People tend to choose the path of least resistance.

Civilization is captivity it’s maintained by the illusion that freedom is obtainable within the prison .

You can’t picture Achilleus and Agamemnon arguing in front of that Best Buy?

I know plenty of high quality Indians and some Chinese. And while some are obnoxious foreigners, plenty of those are integrating to America quite well. (On the other hand if i need a depressing dose of “islamophobia”– i need only visit the Kirkland Costco on a weekend.)

My point is that even beyond the question of quality–IQ, personality traits, culture, ability to integrate–in which in the net immigration is clearly a net disaster, even if our immigration was all high quality folks and integrating well, what the hell is the point?

I don’t want to run up the population of the of the nation to 300, 400, 500 million–quite possible within my kids’ lives (400 locked-in, 500 likely if immigration insanity is not reversed)–toward Asiatic crowding. What benefit is this to actual American citizens–absolutely zero. Actually it’s incredibly negative. With sub-replacement American fertility, it’s an evil genocidal program of population replacement.

Without it we’d be seeing … better wages, less congestion, cheaper housing and affordable family formation (a reverse of the population die off, and stabilization), less stress, more open space, more prosperity and peace. Pretty much everything would be better.

Nashua, New Hampshire:

NASHUA — Stressing the school department’s need for a 3.4 percent spending increase, Superintendent Jahmal Mosley told aldermen that the district’s “browning” demographics need to be addressed to help every student be successful.

http://www.unionleader.com/education/Nashuas-changing-demographics-require-a-bigger-school-budget-superintendent-says-05112018

BROWNING?

Elizabeth or the famous firearm?

What the heck is going on?

No, no, no, do not go to Boise Idaho sucks. Washington sucks, Oregon sucks. Nobody should go to the Pacific Northwest ever. In fact, Montana and Utah are sketchy too. Better to go to rural California. That’s where you should all go and if you came from California, you have to go back.

All six New England states are near the bottom of the list of states by murder rate.

Yes, but it doesn’t seem to have much to do with gun laws–which are not strict in the rural New England states which in fact are the ones with very low homicide.

Homicide in the US pretty much correlates with blacks. States and localities that are heavily black tend to have high homicide rates. Blacks so dominate US homicide rates, that to first order that’s all that matters. Hispanics, other ethnicities, the various white ethnic groups, income levels, criminal policies, gun policies are all 2nd and 3rd order effects.

If there’s anything much beyond that, blacks+liberalism is a very, very bad idea. The worse situations you’ll get are a metro area with lots of blacks in a liberal polity with plenty of welfare and “social services” excuse making and attempts a gun control (i.e. limiting law abiding citizens from packing protection). As Steve has noted, blacks tend to do better in areas with high religiosity and where the whites believe in law and order. But it doesn’t make ’em into Swedes. (I.e. old Swedes, not new Swedes.)

One joy of suburban or exurban or rural life, essentially anything other than urban life, is space. Conventional economics would show that people trade off commute time for aspects of quality of life. Move to the burbs, demand more space.

Beyond a certain point, space is more of a hassle than a boon. My mother thought parents shouldn’t drive their kids anywhere. In a place like Parkland, parents have to drive them everywhere.

Or let the kids drive at 15 or 16 or whatever passes for maturity. David Hogg drove to MSD High that day. But 17-year-olds kill a lot more people with cars then they do with guns.

I want to beef up my new village home to where my kids can walk to everything they need.

Lawns are useless anyway, if they are not in a fenced backyard where you can spend time without the whole neighborhood seeing you.
Gardens can be nice but they require skill and effort to look good.

The major advantage of the suburbs is that of few Blacks. I once had a boss who’s parents used to own a coal distribution company in Chicago in the 1960s. The ingress of Blacks from the Deep South was what convinced them to move to the suburbs. The South Shore neighborhood of Chicago was once home of many Jews and was a decent place to live. Black people basically “encouraged” whitey to move out with their endemic anti-social activities. South Shore High School once had many famous attendees; James Watson (DNA), Larry Ellison, Suze Orman, Amy Wachs (Comedian) (BTW Orman knew Wachs), Mandy Patinkin, Rep. Phil Crane… now that they’ve gone Black, no one really comes to mind anymore.

I know plenty of high quality Indians and some Chinese. And while some are obnoxious foreigners, plenty of those are integrating to America quite well.

I’m especially fond of Catholic priests from Kerala. Every one I’ve met is a jolly angel, and they add nothing to our population beyond their ascetic selves. Indeed, they encourage the natives to add to their own.

All six New England states are near the bottom of the list of states by murder rate.

And near the top by this rate:

https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-illustration-skin-color-index-infographic-chart-skin-white-background-image73083747

Yes, but it doesn’t seem to have much to do with gun laws–which are not strict in the rural New England states which in fact are the ones with very low homicide.

New York’s state-mandated gun control licensing is mostly locally administered. I’m sure a nice graph or map could be made comparing the severity of licensing policy with the local violent crime rate. Oh, and nobody will ever notice the demographics, so don’t bother to include them.

In New England, it’s back-of-the-envelope teabag packet postage stamp simple. Three northern states with lax laws, if any, and three southern states with strict ones. Have at it!

I don’t know about Chinatown but Olympic shooter Bob Chow had a gun shop on Mission Blvd. until 1988 where he famously did custom 1911 pistol-smithing. He died in 2003 but there was still a gun shop at that location (San Francisco’s last) until the City government forced it out of business a few years ago.

I am convinced there is a genetic component to this phenomenon.

Autochthon, I’m not quite where you’re at. I’ve got a good bit of Anglo-Saxon and Rhineland German mixed in with the Celt. So i’m agriculturalist as well as pastoralist. But my reaction to the city while not as extreme is similar. I’m always happy to get the heck outta there. When my car breaks the urban barrier and i get into some countryside i always feel a whole lot better.

I grew up in the ‘burbs–which is the modern urban-compromised version of European village life. (A pretty nice ‘burb as they go, surrounded by a greenbelt and big county park with hills and valleys and streams and lakes a few streets away.) I’ve never lived fully out in the country and might find it weird–not sure. I don’t mind have some known neighbors around. But i don’t find anything wonderful about “city life”. Living in an actual city seems pretty horrid to me.

And the city offers even less now, with the internet providing access to information. What actually worthwhile is there? Symphonies and some museums? For that one would put up with NAMs, crime, congestion, dirt, “homeless” and the worst form of human life ever–the SJW virtue signaling white Democrat?

Yeah, Chicago had the Italian mobsters, Houston didn’t.

Maybe so. But if we need more people in this country, we should raise up our own.

I feel sorry for any middle-class young white guy with hopes of finding a quality white women to marry and have children with in present-day America. He’d better start early and get a very marketable STEM degree and moving up the professional ladder so in his 30’s he can pay for the heavy price tag of divorce and child support.

There are a lot of single white females in major cities. Especially, New York, Boston, D.C. Most working glorified girl Friday jobs with fancy titles to go with their expensive non-STEM degrees from Vanderbilt or Boston University.

You ppl out west are lunatics if you think a lawn is worth months literally a yr fighting traffic over the convenience of living in a tight area with everything you need within walking.

Having mowed my lawn hundreds of times and fighting fire ants, poisonous snakes, feral cat shit, briars/sticker plants and the Eastern USA humidity….it’s better to level housing projects and then build middle class URBAN housing.

This forces the thugs and junkies into the decaying suburbs and the urban core becomes a white/Asian/Latino low crime Nirvana while the drug addicts and things put up with the high cost and labor intensive upkeep of suburbia.

I’d rather pay rent for a house with a gravel yard like in Vegas or have a flat than a green snake infested swamp in the making like my backyard

Have you ever been to a suburb?

I can’t tell if you’re confusing ‘suburb’ for ‘inner city downtown area’. You seem to be painting a picture of solid concrete with perhaps a dandelion coming up through a crack in the sidewalk. Lots of suburbs don’t even have sidewalks. The downtown city is solid concrete and asphalt. You mention a drainage ditch – was it full of concrete with nary a dandelion? Usually they are carpeted in weeds. I’ve never seen a concrete drainage ditch in a suburb.

Agreed.

Rural CA is really nice, except for the pot growers. If the various gov’t levels opened up some more space for development you’d see zillions of homes around Mt. Shasta and Mt. Lassen.

Agreed. If they bulldozsd the projects and build middle class housing in it’s midst then urban life wouldn’t be so bad.

Get rid of the blacks and generally speaking if you are willing to work you’ll be fine with the city.

Asians and Latinos keep to themselves and don’t prey on vulnerable white women who then spit out mixed race kids who end as homeless or prison wastrels with identity issues as you see out east

Small towns, essentially. Those and inner ring suburbs are the most family friendly unless you want an actual farm.

The Metrorail that we have today is not the Metrorail that was sold to the voters back in the 1970s.

From “Metrofail” (The Miami Herald, 1985-09-15):

In Dade, consultants were recommending a 54-mile, 54-station system that would allegedly cost $800 million. It was an ambitious plan, with routes running up South Dixie Highway and Biscayne Boulevard, an east-west corridor running from the airport through Little Havana to downtown, another corridor running up Collins Avenue on Miami Beach. Dade voters, filled with the progressive spirit, went to the polls in 1972 and approved $132 million in bonds to build it.

It was a grand plan, a hell of a plan. Metrorail would have crisscrossed the county, touching down in all sorts of key locations.

It was not to be. Most civic leaders, it seemed, wanted the system, but not in their own neighborhood. Politicians on Miami Beach called Metrorail a “monstrosity,” and compared it with the clattering elevateds of New York. Coral Gables objected to a line that was to run up Ponce de Leon Boulevard to the airport. Little Havana merchants didn’t want any rail line destroying the beauty of their streets. Meanwhile, blue-collar Hialeah, the county’s second-largest city, was screaming that it was being ignored. Hialeah politicians said many of the city’s residents worked at the airport; it wanted the airport line to extend north to Hialeah.

The Metrorail and the South Dade Busway that we ended up with were built on the old Florida East Coast railroad right-of-way. (At one time, this railroad went all the way to Key West. A hundred years ago, U.S. 1 was a narrow two-lane road running parallel to the train tracks.) This was the only land that was “freely” available for mass transit.

Most of the existing Metrorail stations opened in 1984 and ’85. The downtown part of the Metromover opened in 1986, followed by the Omni and Brickell spurs in 1994. They were built largely with federal money.

When the downtown Government Center Metrorail station was built, the architects included a platform for the proposed west line to FIU, some ten miles to the west. That platform has stood empty since 1984. I doubt that it will ever see any use.

In 1976, four years after approving the seed money for Metrorail, the voters overwhelmingly rejected a half-penny sales tax to fund transit improvements. Over the next 26 years, numerous attempts were made to enact such a tax; all of them failed.

But then, in 2002, the sales tax finally passed. The taxpayers were told that they would finally get to build much of what they first voted for in 1972, with trains going to FIU and the county line. But the corrupt transit agency ended up using the money to cover its ongoing operational shortfalls. Ambitious expansion plans were shelved.

In the end, only two new Metrorail stations were built – a park-and-ride station next to the Palmetto Expressway, and the much-ballyhooed, little-used airport link.

(On the plus side, Metromover, which used to cost a quarter, was made free to all riders.)

The airport station is part of the Intermodal Center, a large structure that consolidates rental-car agencies and mass-transit facilities. It connects to the main airport terminal by a monorail. It, too, was built largely with federal money.

Besides Metrorail, the IC includes a Tri-Rail station. (Tri-Rail connects Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties.) It was supposed to include an Amtrak station, but the designers screwed up their measurements and built the platforms too short.

A few notes about the street grid before I go on:

Miami Avenue is the equivalent of Zeroth Avenue – the dividing line between east and west. (The vast majority of streets in Dade County are west – either SW or NW.) Flagler Street is the dividing line between north and south.

Government Center is at NW 1st Street and 1st Avenue; FIU is at SW 8th Street and 107th Avenue. (8th Street – Tamiami Trail – is the only road in Dade County that goes all the way west across the Everglades.)

In most parts of Dade, Krome Avenue – 177th – is the absolute western end of civilization. It is now in the process of being expanded from two to four lanes.

Now, moving on:

When the Palmetto Expressway (the equivalent of 77th Avenue) was built in the 1960s, it ran through rural farmland. At the time, it was considered a “bypass” that extended well to the west of the main urban areas.

Around the same time, Kendall Drive was expanded to four lanes and extended to Krome. It was called the “road to nowhere.” Today it is a nightmarishly-congested six-to-eight-lane thoroughfare, lined with extensive suburban development all the way west.

When the Homestead Extension of the Turnpike (running parallel to 117th Avenue) opened in the 1970s, many folks said that it was too far west to be of much use. Today it is considered the *eastern* boundary of some of the western suburbs.

The Turnpike started out as a four-lane road. It was expanded to six lanes, then to eight (in some areas), and now to ten (in some areas). It’s basically just one big parking lot.

Now there are proposals to build a north-south extension of 836 (a major east-west highway) west of 167th Avenue:
https://www.mdxway.com/kendallparkway

I agree, but so far so good. Lots of expensive real estate being sold and I see huge numbers of Ranger Rovers and other fancy cars all over the near north side.

All-Time Favorite Uber Driver.

This Uber driver guy don’t like the Billy Ocean song Get Outta My Dreams, Get Into My Car.

Irate Uber driver guy dealing with irritating Uber passenger lady:

GET OUT OF MY CAR! NOW!

GET OUT OF MY CAR! NOW!

GET OUT OF MY GODDAMN CAR NOW!

THE RIDE IS OVER!

GET OUT OF MY CAR NOW! GODDAMN YOU TO HELL!

Although this Uber driver guy in an understandable meltdown looks like Mel Gibson, and sounds like Melvin, it is not Mel Gibson.

This guy is ten times better than Christian Bale and Mel Gibson at entertaining meltdowns.

Evidently I haven’t been commenting enough lately to push the agree button.

Agree.

Is that Chartres?

Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

Beverly Hills, for instance, is not suburban; it’s in the middle of LA. So mass transit in LA would easily make that neighborhood more accessible (in a bad way) to folks from less desirable zip codes.

This is a problem Manhattan already has, so they rely on more intensive policing, doormen, Section 8 deportations, etc. instead.

In Chicago, the police occasionally have to shut down train lines from the ‘hood when the homeboys get a notion to ride downtown and go flash mobbing, ghetto-style.

It is not necessary for undesirables to crime-commute to the ‘burbs in order to spoil things for taxpayers. The same transit lines that connect the suburbs to the city center often connect slums in between too.

The explanation is demographics to a large degree. Here’s a national murder-rate map for 2016:

As you can see, Florida would be a very poor example to use, because its murder rate is actually ABOVE the national average. You’d also have to explain NYC, which (at this point) has the nation’s strictest gun laws, along with a murder rate in recent years close to 4 per 100,000. That’s because it combines its policies with an actual law enforcement/control apparatus. To the point where many thugs are actually dissuaded from carrying around firearms, which leads to fewer “incidental” or “casual” street-murders.

It’s also not merely “liberalism” which causes certain cities to melt down; Missouri is not particularly liberal, but both St. Louis and Kansas City are very murderous places. Missouri’s gun laws may actually be counterproductive here by preventing the prosecution of violent gangbangers caught in vehicles with stolen/illegally-possessed weapons.

Funny how the American Civil Liberties Union always seems to be busy finding ways to get rid of liberty…

It’s almost like they’re a front organization for something else.

Agree. And so long as they are there, they will draw young single males into their orbit.

The iSteve readership skews toward older, married men, so I think a lot of readers don’t remember the importance of homing in on young single women in early real estate decisions.

Also, it is funny what you say about their jobs. It really is unusual to find any young woman with a serious job there. It’s like the entire town is conspiring to keep them on hand as living decoration.

That video makes my blood boil. We need to amend the laws in order to allow summary execution for subhuman criminals like that.

We also need to get women out of police work.

It would be “igualmente”

Utah and New Hampshire Are Under Attack From Mass Immigration and Multicultural Mayhem

New Hampshire Public Schools Are Being Flooded With Third Worlders

Nashua, New Hampshire Is A Foreign Occupation Zone

Utah is Under Attack From Globalization and Multicultural Mayhem

Nashua's changing demographics addressed in superintendent's proposed $110 million school budget. https://t.co/4Tu3EdJUQU pic.twitter.com/pClhk3lfjl

— Kimberly Houghton (@Kimber_Houghton) May 11, 2018

Utah–the next Sweden. Even down to PC officials concealing race/crime data. https://t.co/OagiAT7X70

— VDARE (@vdare) May 11, 2018

This: macqueen.us/suburbs.jpg

Unlike the DNC data, the Podesta emails were actually hacked by a Russian cutout. What those purloined communications revealed gave credence to the theory that John Podesta and his brother Tony, both lobbyists and DNC bigwigs, are long-time CIA assets doing the Agency’s dirty work while indulging their dark appetites. They’ve been running a DC/NYC based compromise and influence operation targeting elites with underage flesh. This operation was essentially a cult with occult overtones. Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have a long history with Tony and John, were frequent visitors to a Caribbean island set up as a honey trap run by Wall Street billionaire and Mossad operative Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein’s speciality was preteen girls. NXIVM could be another component of this criminal enterprise.

Almost all the barren womyn I know have dogs; dogs, not cats. And almost all of them are leftys. That is the reason for open borders….THEY AIN’T getting knocked up and squeezing them out!

“Beverly Hills, for instance, is not suburban; it’s in the middle of LA.”

LA is a patchwork of suburbs; some more rundown than others. The actual city — density, multi-storied buildings — seems like an anomaly.

Fine, you live in the hive. You’re better suited to domestication.

Most rural areas are stagnating and so are most small cities (unlike large FIRE cities, most small cities need anchor industries to provide jobs).

Easy way around this is retired peeps; they already have earned their money. Then the peeps that want out of the urban shitholes and can work thru the Web. From what I’ve seen, college towns out in the country are magnets in getting these types. There are already things there for the womyn to spend hubby’s money on.LOL

And if they don’t have the shopping resources, the brown truck is ready to bring it from anywhere in the world. Only stuff I buy local is food and fuel. Everything else I can find a better price and selection off the Web.

We’re seeing an f-ton of this in the hinterlands of Pugetopolis, especially where Californians are streaming in.

Every last county and state and local park and walking trail is now literally a sewage field for dogs. Boomers and dog ladies, two, three, five on a leash. Dunging and whizzing everywhere. The owners constantly demanding more “dog parks.” Or giant lots where they can mow down all the native vegetation and turn it into Dog Toilet.

You can get ticketed and fined for the littlest leak of graywater from your rural septic system or livestock containment. But these horse-sized dogs can crap and leak anywhere/everywhere next to the Sound, and that’s just dandy.

Down in Olympia (state capital) is a business called Mud Bay something something–they sell upscale pet stuff. Like vegan organic dog chow. They are named for one of the bodies of water adjacent to Olympia. Well, they started with one store and now are a whole chain all over the place, especially in tony Pugetopolis neighborhoods.

Also the dog ladies are extremely passive aggressive. E.g., they let their dogs run off leash in state land or forests posted as on-leash areas. When the dog charges or attacks you, the female humans of course blame you and get their teats in a heave. The love of my life stopped hiking in several of her favorite seasonal-botany-watching areas because she started having to carry thanks to being charged by off-leash giant dogs (including pit bulls–dog ladies love pit bulls).

Here’s a snapshot of the sickness afflicting white people:

https://mudbay.com/event/3qkilk7osdo73qddpbi96srnvk

Uptown: Mother’s Day Photo Booth
When: Sat, May 12, 2018 – 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm
Where: Mud Bay, 522 Queen Anne Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109, USA Get Directions
What: Celebrate Mother’s Day and stop by Mud Bay Uptown to get a photo with your fur baby and a little treat bag! The event will be both Saturday and Sunday from 12 to 4 p.m.

People want space when they have kids but they usually need decent enough jobs in places where the right housing is available to have kids.

What the hell is the “right housing to have kids”?

People have been having kids since the beginning of people, and before houses ever existed. But all of a sudden everybody needs a 4,000 sf house on three acres and four cars and six bathrooms to squeeze out the first offspring?

Especially since kids spend much of their waking year in school.

This isn’t about what people need. It’s about the escalating consumer expectations engineered to make sure people keep going into debt and shopping.

Rather than actually spending all that time with their families. Building and conveying family culture and ancestral memory.

Jesus hopping over the rowboat gunwale, my parents raised a passel of kids just fine in a 900-sf row house. We also had family dinners, did productive hobbies together (woodworking, boat-building, house maintenance, etc.), watched TV together on a negotiated/shared content basis, had friends over/visited friends, and grew vegetables and fruit in the 150-sf back yard. The older kids helped the younger with homework and chores…and nieces and nephews were constantly running around the place as well.

Yeah, I was glad when I got my own 400-sf apartment–felt like Big Sky country to me. But we had more of a family life than these two-child-at-most units where both parents work and each kid has a bedroom with its own bathroom suite, and individual phone/tv.

Form a young male perspective, the main attractions of living in the inner city are sexual access to lots of slim, young attractive women, and not having to drive into work via a two hour commute. I live in a small town, and it isn’t a great place for a male looking for a partner. Men outnumber women by a significant margin and the women that are present tend to either old, overweight, married or so masculine acting that most men wouldn’t be interested.

No, no, no, do not go to Boise Idaho sucks. Washington sucks, Oregon sucks. Nobody should go to the Pacific Northwest ever. In fact, Montana and Utah are sketchy too.

I thought about moving to the PNW; but they’ve gone full Kali with all the new gun regulations. I’m not interested in just moving north and have the same kind of lefty subhumans ruling me.

I drove all around ID a while back, that would be an option. But I got an invite to live in AZ, and I think I’ll do that.

At least I’ll bring my conservative voting record; AuH2O for President!

“The dog parks here in LA are full of people like her and much worse. I look at the assortment of mostly white homosexuals, metrosexual “straight” men, and generally porcine women fawning over their dogs instead of human children and think, “this is the end of our people right here.”

A couple years back I went out with a gal. During the course of the evening this sweet, pretty woman told me “my dog is my child”.

My heart sank.

A popular bumper sticker in Houston in the early 80s, when 1000 people a week were moving there, was “I don’t give a damn how you did it up North”.

I read about the “Black Tag People” about the same time. Those were all the peeps that got canned from the auto industry in Michigan during that recession. Michigan had black and white license plates back then.

Another guy I know worked at a Northrup plant in SoCal about the same time. He said at least one third of his co-workers were from Michigan.

If Michigan had a stable economy, and they all stayed there, it would be right up there with the big population states, with as many kids as the womyn squeeze out….

That’s because it combines its policies with an actual law enforcement/control apparatus.

A big part of that is population density, which provides for better police coverage. 80 cops per square mile probably means there are enough personnel to have 20 cops per square mile 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Another way of saying this is that police response time after a 911 call should be single digit minutes. Which does deter, if the cops aren’t prevented from doing their jobs.

A few more spergy miscellaneous points about the street grid:

* Avenues run north/south; streets run east/west.
* Kendall Drive is SW 88th Street. It is a jam-packed commercial thoroughfare lined by the (still-)popular Dadeland Mall, the busy Baptist Hospital, and practically every major chain store and restaurant known to man. At bad times on bad days, it can take the better part of an hour (if not longer) to go one mile.
* Avenues are spaced tenths of a mile apart. Most major avenues end in 7. 117th Avenue is one mile west of 107th Avenue, which is one mile west of 97th Avenue, which is one mile west of 87th Avenue, and so on.
* Streets are spaced (roughly) sixteenths of a mile apart. Generally speaking, major streets tend to run in 16-digit (one-mile) increments. Kendall Drive > Sunset Drive (SW 72nd St) > Miller Drive (SW 56th St) > Bird Road (SW 40th St) > Coral Way (SW 24th St) > Tamiami Trail (SW 8th St). Again, SW 8th Street is the only road that goes all the way west across the Everglades.
* The easternmost numbered avenue is something like NE 40th Ave, only a couple of blocks (including the Intracoastal Waterway, a kind of canal “road” for boats) from the ocean at the county’s northern end. (The easternmost road is A1A, which is not numbered.)
* The coastline shifts to the west as one goes south.
* Again, in most of Dade County, the westernmost major avenue is 177th (Krome), with few signs of civilization along much of its path. The westernmost paved avenue is in the 220s or 230s, somewhere west of Homestead. There are lots of unpaved trails going through various parts of the Everglades.
* At its northern terminus (U.S. 27), Krome is about twenty miles from the coast; at its southern terminus (U.S. 1), it is only seven or eight miles away.
* The northernmost numbered street is NE/W 215th St.
* The southernmost major street is SW 344th St; the southernmost numbered, paved street is SW 424th St, home to a remote juvenile-detention facility.
* The aforementioned 836 is the only major east-west expressway that goes all the way from Miami Beach to the western part of the county. Its current western terminus is NW 137th Avenue. If the proposed Kendall Parkway addition is built, it would be extended west to 167th Avenue and then south to SW 136th St.
* The western (and northern) terminus of Metrorail is just west of the Palmetto Expressway (again, the equivalent of 77th Avenue) along the NW 74th Street parallel.
* The westernmost major highway is the Homestead Extension of the Turnpike. It runs parallel to 117th Avenue for most of its Dade County run.
* The Turnpike, unlike the Palmetto and I-95, runs almost entirely at grade level. It represents an impenetrable barrier for both cars and pedestrians. Only a limited number of major roads cross it. There is, for example, no way to cross the Turnpike between SW 120th Street and SW 152nd Street – a distance of some two miles.
* It is possible for a pedestrian to cross the Turnpike at two busy interchanges (Kendall Drive and SW 120th Street), but the only truly safe way is to go over the bridge at SW 104th Street. (Kendall Drive is especially treacherous. Many a pedestrian has been ground into hamburger while attempting to traverse it.)
* Kendall Drive is basically the only viable feeder road for Turnpike traffic. (SW 120th Street is a short spur between SW 117th and 137th Avenues, blocked from further expansion by the general-aviation Tamiami Airport on the west and by the 874 expressway on the east. (874, incidentally, links the Turnpike to the Palmetto, with a feeder expressway – 878 – leading to U.S. 1.) SW 120th Street resumes on the eastern side of 874, but then is blocked by a canal east of 102nd Avenue.

I was in a hurry earlier, so I didn’t have as much time to review and edit my *long* comment as I would have liked.

You might be interested in these websites dogsbite and pit bull awareness.
There are others check them out

California passed a law making it illegal to pass off a mutt as a service dog including emotional support dogs. I don’t know how it will be enforced but restaurants are putting up songs on the doors warning that it’s illegal to bring a dog other than a real licensed, certified $20,000 service dog into a restaurant or food store.

It’s a beginning.

The best thing about all this non White European invasion of California is that none of the immigrant groups have the sappy psycho attitudes about dogs Americans have. Mexicans have fighting dogs but not the sappy American attitude.

When Seattle went through the 20 year ordeal to get a leash law the gay men were of course against it.

Their slogan was “ We the gay men don’t ask you to leash your human children so don’t ask us to leash our dog children.”

It’s not that I don’t like dogs. It’s their owners I can’t stand. I mean if I was an invited guest to their house and their 80 pound kid jumped all over me when I walked in the door the parent wouldn’t just coo oh he likes you.

Home Depot and a lot of cable companies and contractors have strict rules that “ all pets must be leashed when the employee arrives and stall times till the employee gets back in the truck”
It’s partly to avoid workman’s comp medical costs because if bites and maulings. It’s also to avoid the total waste of time as the Workman feeds off the mutt while the owner either coos he likes you or he won’t bite you, he’s a wonderful watch dog.

Imagine trying to hump a 44 inch wide refrigerator through a 40 inch door opening with a couple big dogs jumping all over you while the idiot owner just coos.

A lot of gay nerd sissy men like those aggressive dogs.

I used to work on weekends and walk home. An asshole tied his beagles to his fence with 50 ft leashes so they could roam both sides of the street the entire block and snarl, bark , charge and menace everyone who walked by

Once I told him to control his dogs. His answer was “ those dogs are more intelligent than you”. First it’s not true and second no one has the right to block the side walk no matter how intelligent.

Then I moved to psycho liberal headquarters, Marin County Ca. Ours was the only house with a garage in the neighborhood Everybody else had a carport with garbage cans sitting out. The big untrained dogs roamed the neighborhood night and day spreading other people garbage in my driveway and yard.

A dog bit a kid? “Your kid must have annoyed the dog”

Dogs are simple bi critters They are either submissive or dominant. Almost all dog owners are submissive to their dogs. Begging a dog to sit or extend a paw while waving a treat is not training the dog.

When a dog sits and or lies down and shuts up with a simple command or even a hand gesture, that’s a trained dog and the owner is dominant and in control.

But most owners are submissive to their dogs

Only you must go back, Curryvinus.

Even then, a duplex is better than a full townhome with neighbors on either side. Which is, itself, still better than an apartment or condo with neighbors up, down, left and right. In a duplex, you basically have one other family to worry about. Assuming they’re normal, clean, and non-criminal, having a neighbor on the far side of just one wall is fairly manageable.

On that kind of a duplex, the common wall is used for closets and bathrooms. By having the baths sharing a wall, they also share the drain and water pipes. Lots cheaper to build.

When I was designing my house, it was obvious to put the 4 baths in one cluster with an upstairs and downstairs stacked up. When you shotgun the baths around the house, you get to listen to the pipes humming and toilets flushing. And it costs a fortune to run all that tubing around.

Closets are great sound mufflers, all the clothes and another door. And I’m sure the private areas are as far away from the common wall as possible. Apartments I rented all had the kitchens on common walls as well as the baths.

Not that anyone cares, but let me correct myself: SW 120th Street does not end at the airport, but runs along its northern edge all the way to SW 157th Avenue.

The short spur I was thinking of is SW 128th Street, which runs from SW 137th Avenue to *122nd* Avenue (west of the Turnpike). A new flyover now under construction will link that little rump of road to 874, allowing traffic in the area to bypass the Turnpike altogether. (That being said, 874, which runs northeast-to-southwest, is just as much a nightmare at rush hour as any other Miami thoroughfare.)

The bottom line is that there are lots of roads in the area that are blocked by various barriers (expressways, drainage canals, and so on). Kendall Drive is just about the only major artery that goes all the way west from one end of the county to the other. It provides (slow) access to more north-south expressways (the Palmetto, 874, 878, and the Turnpike) than any other road in Dade. It is also something of a showcase for shameless suburban sprawl.

I go swimming at a LA park that has a big field that’s open to unleashed dogs in Sundays. When the dogs get into a real fight, the wimp nerd men just scream at them and the dogs ignore them.

I just laugh.

Then there are the women who call themselves dog trainers what a laugh. Their method of training is begging cajoling and giving treats.

Let me guess, the Somoan converts on welfare and the Mexican work force?

The major major drawbacks to rural life are universal building code, septic and propane tanks and generators.

100 years ago most men knew how to deal with those things and trained their sons to deal with those things. Now, not so much

Remember those horrible fires in N California last fall? Almost all the deaths were in propane and septic tank neighborhoods When the propane tanks exploded there was no way out.

Brown and black kids require:

1 resource officer or security guards to keep the blacks and browns from running amuck

2 special instruction for the black and brown retards

3 academic administrators to go to conferences and read studies about how to teach the 80 IQ kids

4 various counselors to counsel the savages about behaving like human beings

5 other counselors to deal with the screeching Black mammas of the black kids.

All those people cost money

A lot of places think it’s better to concentrate the people in town homes instead of big yards.

The space saved is used for parks and open spaces with no housing or businesses. It’s not a bad idea.

Ideally, there would be big 2 acre yards and lots of open space parks all within an easy commute of a city with plenty of good jobs.

Some of the old train commuter suburbs were like that. Walk or non working wife drives husband to train. His job is a reasonable walk or short subway or bus ride from the city train station.

A lot of factories were in semi rural areas. The employees had an easy commute to homes with big yards or even small farms.

From about 1950 to 1990 Beverly Hills had a pretty high rate of store robberies burglaries and muggings because right across Robertson Blvd was a nasty black neighborhood. There were some horrible store robberies where the blacks just walked in and started shooting. One murder victim was the 86 year old grandfather who just came in a few hours a week

Then some Hispanics and a lot of Chabad Haredim settled east of Robertson and BH is now very very safe because the blacks were forced out.

I know Hispanic men don’t tolerate criminal blacks. I’m pretty sure the Chabads had some sort of quiet private security force to protect their east of Robertson neighborhood during the transition from partly black to totally Chabad

For the rest of West Los Angeles Robertson to the ocean safety depended very much on freeway off ramps. Criminals aren’t stupid enough to think they can get away on city buses.

So the blacks would drive up from Compton and Inglewood, get off the freeway drive around till they spotted a victim rob rape whatever and get right back on the freeway.

We now have a wonderful Hispanic and White perimeter defense . The blacks moved somewhere

The criminals who use public transit, its more impulse crime. They don’t take a bus purposely to a White neighborhood to prey on us. But if they are in a bus or waiting for a bus they often attack when the opportunity rises.
It’s not city or suburb, public transit or no transit freeway off ramps or not
It’s blacks and nothing but blacks.

Except in the old confederate states where many carry, the laws are strictly enforced and Whites are not submissive to blacks and the liberals who love them.

A ghetto boy flash mob attacked Michigan Av Miracle Mile couple days ago.

Beverly Hills is surrounded by Los Angeles. It has LA metro buses running though I think 4 east west main streets continually night and day.

There are also a couple north south bus routes.

Upto about 1990there was a significant nasty criminal black neighborhood right across the eastern Robertson blvd boundary between LA and Beverly Hills. The blacks just walked drove or took a bus across Robertson.

Strangely enough, when the BH police confronted black criminals the ADL SPLC Jews didn’t attack the police who protected them.

You can’t picture Achilleus and Agamemnon arguing in front of that Best Buy?

Sure can. Achilleus Washington and Agamemnon Williams.

In he-man falsetto, as Freddie Prinze liked to point out.

#257, I think you’re correct here, hispanic tends to trump African American. I run a drive by thru EPA at least once every 5 years. Long gone is the day of a dealer stationed on every street corner; the closest city with that parade still on is across the bay in Oakland, but it’s slowly coming to a close there too.

From wiki:

43% of East Palo Alto’s residents were African Americans in 1990,[7] which was the result of redlining practices and racial deed restrictions in Palo Alto.[8] Latinos now constitute about 65% of the total population, while the proportion of African Americans has decreased to about 15%. A small minority of Pacific Islanders also reside in East Palo Alto, most of Tongan, Samoan and Indo-Fijian origin.[citation needed]. East Palo Alto has the largest concentration of Pacific Islanders of any American city or town outside Hawaii.[citation needed].

East Palo Alto has seen a dramatic drop in violent crime in the last 20 years, and has seen a 97.6% reduction in murders from 1992 to 2017.

Except in the old confederate states where many carry, the laws are strictly enforced and Whites are not submissive to blacks and the liberals who love them.

The only reason the blacks are here at all is because the “old confederate states” loved them. The Union states, not counting the border ones, were 98% white. The other 2% wasn’t necessarily black, either.

Heavy. So where do we start?

In the beginning it is not necessary to do anything—yet. The first step is taken by understanding, principally by understanding the exigencies of a modern life.

It goes without saying that the modern suburbanite (i.e. the ideal average Joe of this day and age) consumes an enormous amount of resources. That which he considers to be absolutely necessary for his upkeep is a veritable embarrassment of luxury when weighed against the historical norm. What is the significance of this fact? The analytical conclusion, freed from the moralizing which in the recent past has been all to often wont too insert itself here, is that the modern man has been leveraged, his capacities enhanced and his station elevated by a panoply of artifices which now serve as the self-evident basis of his existence.

Picture Achilles in his chariot. Behold the golden-haired god-man as he bursts upon the scene behind his thundering horses, merrily tossing javelins through the throats of the Trojan heroes. From Achilles’ perspective, this all seems entirely simple and without antecedent. The heat of battle is upon him; he lives and moves entirely in the moment without thinking about how this “moment” came to be. The horses respond to his every command; effortlessly he swings and sways across the battlefield; the chariot is so fast; the spear is so balanced; it all seems so natural and instinctive. For Achilles, this is life itself.

But the keeping of horses presumes the arts of horsemanship. It presumes that the horses are bred and properly trained. It presumes that they are outfitted with the appropriate tack, and it presumes all the appanage necessary to keep them fed, groomed, and stabled. Likewise, a chariot requires a chariot maker to build and maintain it, and so on and so forth. That which is “life itself” for Achilles actually depends on a host of subsidiary arts that must exist before the god-man can appear in his glory.

So it is with the suburbanite. Just take a look around your house and notice everything that’s in it. Look at the appliances, the washer and dryer, the computers and connected devices without which modern life would be unthinkable. Look at the bathroom cabinet, the drugs, the soaps, the chemicals. Look at the furniture and the carpets and your closet full of clothes. All of this stuff had to come from somewhere. It was all brought into being by some process, may of which require additional subsidiary processes of their own. Much had to have occurred before the suburbanite can appear as a phenomenon.

Modern man in his Achilles-mode does not think about what sustains him; he only thinks about what he is doing in the moment. “What did you do this morning,” we ask him. “I got up and I drove to work.” That is to say, he thinks he knows what he is about, but much must have happened for him to have that knowledge. Not only must his car and the road he drives on have been produced, but his “work,” too, is also a product of effort and time. A workplace is a social system with a hierarchy, with defined authority and delegated functions, and therefore the consequent politics which such entails. It is likewise and economic imputation which must earn a profit and distribute it among its members. Some sort of ruling idea or conception is required to keep it all in line, lest it perish in internecine squabbles or simply scatter to the winds.

All of this must be understood. The first step consists in understanding the whence and the wither of all things. All that surrounds us is a product of effort and time, of hierarchy and distribution; of ideas, symbols, and notions. Modern life stands atop a teetering tower built up from layer after layer of artifices and their social support structures. This is our leverage and our elevation. Before simply looking “out” from this vantage like Achilles, we we must look back “down” the staircase to see how the tower was constructed.

The second step consists in asking, “To what end?”

Are the accoutrements of modern life strictly necessary? Of course they are not, for men could live quite happy and contented lives in a 13th century idiom where most of them did not exist. None of these things qualify as ends in themselves. If they crowd up and encroach upon us, we no longer live but rather become entangled in the means of living. In order for the end to define the means (which is only logical and fitting) it is necessary to make them all the subsidiaries of an single symbol and and the subjects of a single will to power.

Once that crucial realization has been had, it is then the suburbs begin to feel like a prison. For as the case now stands, modern life is not “in form’ for any particular end. The suburbs aren’t “for” anything; they are simply there, ripe and redolent like an overgrown garden. My contention is that a purified will to live—which is nothing else but a will to cultivate the garden—must dispense with much of modernity and repurpose much that remains. Suburbia is a cataract that the stream of life must eventually crash through and around. It is an impermanent thing which in many ways has outlived its usefulness and is causing harm, hence the mockery, irony, and kitsch which has long since attended it.

The major major drawbacks to rural life are universal building code, septic and propane tanks and generators.

100 years ago most men knew how to deal with those things and trained their sons to deal with those things. Now, not so much

Remember those horrible fires in N California last fall? Almost all the deaths were in propane and septic tank neighborhoods When the propane tanks exploded there was no way out

I’ve been living in the country for 30 years. With a septic system, propane tank, and building codes. I wouldn’t have it any other way. No way is anybody going to run sewers and natural gas lines into a place that has one house on 5 or more acres. I asked about natural gas when I built my house; $40K, my cost, to extend the pipe 1500 feet. A propane tank was installed free.

Building codes are one of the few things that gobt does right. All my plumbing, electrical, structure, and everything else will be functioning 100 years from now. Nothing was done cheap, nothing half ass. When I buy my next house, I want everything to code or better.

I also got a mandatory evacuation notice about 24 hours after the NorCal fires started. 90% of those that got burnt out didn’t live in the country. They had sewers and natural gas, stuff you have in town.

Except for a lot of womyn,they’re crazy to want to live in town, living in the country is god’s country….

As I’m sure you know, the acronym for remembering street/ave directions in Miami-Dade County is “C-R-A-P runs north-south” – Courts, Roads, Avenues, Places; everything else tuns east-west.

Every last county and state and local park and walking trail is now literally a sewage field for dogs. Boomers and dog ladies, two, three, five on a leash. Dunging and whizzing everywhere. The owners constantly demanding more “dog parks.” Or giant lots where they can mow down all the native vegetation and turn it into Dog Toilet.

In coastal Florida, they’ve been carving off “dog beaches” from pristine white sands with million-dollar views.

Plus, so often they are pit bulls. It’s part of embracing ghetto culture, I suppose. I never see collies or golden retrievers any more, or even various mixes of those breeds. 90% of the time, when I see someone walking a dog in my neighborhood or while driving to work, it’s a pit bull.

The more the country is flooded with unassimilable Third Worlders or congenital Leftists and the more it becomes little more than a crime-ridden international shopping mall, the more hopelessness is felt by the native-born, whether conscious or not. I think there would be more home-grown children if there was more of a general feeling of optimism about the country and its future, notwithstanding Trumpism.

Because even in the outskirts some cities are expensive.

Yeah, Second City Cop has more real news than all the Big Media newspapers combined.

I’m sure you walked five miles uphill through the snow each way to and from school without shoes too.

She has never gotten over our exchange that started when she remarked, “the animals are like my children.” I responded, “I love animals too, but I’m sorry, your animals are nothing like children.” They don’t require anything like the sacrifice and work that it takes to raise real children, they don’t keep our family going into the next generation, they don’t perpetuate our nation’s language or culture or values, they can’t vote or speak out or demonstrate or fight for our country or freedom. And animals offer nothing like the relationship, the love, or the maturation (of the parents) that children do.

Most of these people have serious Daddy and/or Mommy issues. Sometimes justified and sometimes not. Animals appeal to them because while they can bite you or in the cases of horses kick or stomp you, they really don’t hate you like a bad kid can.

I have a country house in a fishing /resort area I got cheap because changes in the area put it high over the coastline and inconvenient for boating and fishing access. It was built by hardass union guys to St. Louis code standards and better and will outlast me by a century. It has propane and septic but city water. I buried the propane tank and put a wet leg and pump in so I can fill tanks with it. When gas gets high again I’ll build another propane pickup (it’s cheap on pre-nineties trucks, tanks are cheap used and I have a pile of Impco vaporizers and mixers) and fill that from the buried tank.

I’m in a pretty isolated spot yet, am 10 minutes from grocery stores (one is 24 hour even), and 15 from a respectable hospital with an ER. There is plenty of room to add on a proper shop which will be my retirement project.

The only downside is that in the winter, the driveway can be a serious project to clean off the snow and a 4WD is all that is getting up and down it unless dry.

It’s the blacks, who have had seventy years to build a street gang network that is very difficult to crack, especially in these times of the New Black Entitlement.

Duplexes are useful transition properties at points on the urban-suburban-exurban-rural axis although I’d still want my own separate home.

My co-op apartment in the city had just about everything that my suburban house has, except for the garage and the vegetable garden. Modern life is far from elemental, but that is the case in the city and in small towns, not only in the suburbs. Is modernity a bad thing? Apparently, the early Taoists thought that agricultural life was a bad thing. Plenty of folks in the early nineteenth century thought that steam engines were a bad thing. When did the badness start? With the use of fire? Flake tools? Wrapping a bit of animal skin around the loins? We can always look back to a Golden Age when life was less complicated and more connected. Do we really want to live there?

I’d be fine with early 1960s America if we could have the internet and central air. Don’t car about cell phones.

Yeah, Second City Cop has more real news than all the Big Media newspapers combined.

In what way is a mob melee on shoppers in Chicago news at all?

Everyday life doesn’t make the papers. Except in the obits, and the “human interest” section.

People don’t want space for their children. They want space for all the objects they’ve collected over the years.

You deride Olorin’s memories of close, warm family life in a cramped space. To defend what? Exexurban “developments” (not “neighborhoods” where a stroll down a walkless “cul-de-sac” offers one a view of giant attached garages, and little else, indistinguishable from the increasing arrays of commercial storage lockers a mile away, also built to hold all that extra stuff.

And why the fussy French euphemism for “dead end”?

When we were forced to move almost 90 minutes from the city, for space, we found a place on a downtown village main street where our kids can walk, never mind bike, to everything in town. That’s a lot harder for our friends and relatives– with smaller families– who live in these new developments.

Road advocates, some “libertarian”, crowed “See! See!” when the 2004 Twin Cities transit strike led to slightly lower crime incidence in the inner-ring suburbs.

But when the Lowry Ave bridge over the Mississippi, which connects black North Minneapolis with Polish/hipster Northeast, was closed for construction for two years, crime also decreased in the latter. Bus service on Lowry was infrequent as it was perpendicular to the radial routes, so the crime commute was largely in cars or on foot.

The road advocates were silent about that particular respite.