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From the New York Times news section:

In Minneapolis Schools, White Families Are Asked to Help Do the Integrating

In a citywide overhaul, a beloved Black high school was rezoned to include white students from a richer neighborhood. It has been hard for everyone.

As part of the changes, North Community High was rezoned. Citywide, about 33 percent of public school students were assigned new schools this year.

By Sarah Mervosh
Nov. 27, 2021

MINNEAPOLIS — When Mauri Friestleben learned that Minneapolis was rolling out a new school integration plan — and that the school she led, a predominantly Black, low-income high school, would soon include white students from some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in town — she looked around and proudly considered all that her school had to offer.

The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio.

But in some phone conversations with potential new families, Ms. Friestleben, the principal, sensed deep skepticism.

Parents peppered her with questions. Exactly how many A.P. courses did her school offer? Was Spanish the only language option? Would their children be safe walking from the bus? Some even wondered how she had gotten their number and asked her not to call again.

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Ms. Friestleben, a mixed-race woman who identifies as Black, knew that her school had its challenges, including a history of struggling enrollment and low test scores. But she was working hard to serve the needs of her students and had little interest in adjusting her focus to woo white families.

“At times,” she said, “it was demeaning and humiliating.”

Minneapolis, among the most segregated school districts in the country, with one of the widest racial academic gaps, is in the midst of a sweeping plan to overhaul and integrate its schools. And unlike previous desegregation efforts, which typically required children of color to travel to white schools, Minneapolis officials are asking white families to help do the integrating — a newer approach being embraced by a small group of urban districts across the country.

That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools, to Calabasas and Agoura Hills in the exurbs, even to Portland eventually. LAUSD has never recovered.

But who can remember what happened four decades ago in an obscure corner of the U.S. that’s never ever on TV?

The changes included redrawing school zones, including for North. “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal

As long as you define “segregation” as meaning “black students,” as in: this school is 50% segregated (i.e., it’s half black and half white) and that’s why it has lower test scores than this school that is only 10% segregated (i.e., only 10% white).

, and that racially and socioeconomically diverse schools can benefit all students.

But in the human interest anecdote at the beginning of the article, the principal of the mostly black school thinks she can do a better job educating blacks by concentrating on their needs and not wasting resources on white kids’ needs like more Advanced Placement tests?

My guess is that blacks are probably best off around fewer other blacks, but I’ve never seen this crucial question honestly studied. For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? 20% black?

But decades after Brown v. Board of Education, the dream of integration has remained just that — a dream.

Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.

How dare all those white kids in the Dakotas go to school with other white kids? Something must be done.

It’s almost as if there used to be more white students to integrate the nonwhite students in with them.

If there is anywhere white families might embrace an integration plan, a likely candidate would be Minneapolis, which became the epicenter of the nation’s reckoning with racism after George Floyd’s murder last year. The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for \$500,000 to \$1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”

But an up close look at one school, North High, and the cross section of families who traverse the new attendance zone, shows the complicated realities of school integration, even in a city with the political willpower to make it happen.

For students, parents and educators, the push to integrate was not just a policy decision, but a deeply personal challenge: What would white families do, when forced to wrestle with their own progressive values? Would the plan bring positive changes for Black families at North High, or as some feared, would they lose claim over the school that they loved?

What does the promise of school integration look like today?

Since arriving at North High in 2019, Ms. Friestleben had not thought much about integration.

Her philosophy was grounded in affirming the students who already walked her halls: children from mostly low-income and working-class backgrounds; about 90 percent Black and nearly 100 percent students of color.

“I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.

After all, what do blacks need more than having their already stratospheric self-esteem boosted even higher? Discipline? Challenges? That sounds pretty racist to me.

At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.

“As a society,” she added, “we have subconsciously rolled the red carpet out for white children for generations upon generations. So it’s my challenge and my honor to do that for Black children, to give Black children the same experience of, ‘you are the center of my world.’”

Research has shown that integration can deliver benefits for all children.

For example, Black children exposed to desegregation after Brown v. Board of Education experienced higher educational achievement, higher annual earnings as adults, a lower likelihood of incarceration and better health outcomes, according to longitudinal work by the economist Rucker Johnson of the University of California, Berkeley. The gains came at no cost to the educational achievement of white students.

Which is why all the smart liberal Jewish parents of the San Fernando Valley were so ecstatic about having their kids bused to Jefferson High.

Other research has documented how racially and economically diverse schools can benefit all students, including white children, by reducing biases and promoting skills like critical thinking.

That’s why we are living in a golden age of critical thinking.

Racially segregated schools, on the other hand, are associated with larger gaps in student performance, because they tend to concentrate students of color in high poverty environments, according to a recent paper analyzing all public school districts.

The largest racial gaps in student performance are in liberal towns like Berkeley, Evanston, San Francisco, Charlotteville, etc. The smallest gaps are in Republican exurbs like Frisco, TX.

“There is not a single school district in the U.S. that is even moderately segregated that does not have a large achievement gap,” said Sean Reardon, the lead author on the paper and the director of the Educational Opportunity Project at Stanford University.

Actually, there’s not a single school district in the US with a statistically significant number of blacks where blacks equal whites in test performance, according to Sean Reardon’s own database.

The situation is especially stark in Minneapolis, a deeply segregated city. The district of 30,500 students is diverse: about 41 percent white, 35 percent Black, 14 percent Hispanic, 5 percent Asian American and 4 percent Native American.

But white students test four to five grade levels ahead of Black, Hispanic and Native students, and two and a half grade levels ahead of Asian students,

Minnesota, especially St. Paul, has a lot of Hmongs.

making the district’s disparities one of the worst in the country, according to the Educational Opportunity Project.

 
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  1. Here we go again. Like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill, hoping that this time it’ll stay put.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, Kronos
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Rob McX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Z0iyBNxpk

    , @Yancey Ward
    @Rob McX

    This is Sisyphus pushing the rock down the hill and into the public school at the bottom of the hill. I can already tell you what is going to happen- almost no white families will send their children to this high school- they will either move, pretend to have moved, or put them in private schools.

    , @Esso
    @Rob McX

    It's more like a snowball, actually.

  2. Somewhere in the deepest pits of the underworld, Judge Arthur Garrity smiled.

    • Replies: @Mark Roulo
    @R.G. Camara

    "Somewhere in the deepest pits of the underworld, Judge Arthur Garrity smiled."

    Also Judge Russell Gentry Clark.

    I'm sure things will turn out better this time around ...

  3. @Rob McX
    Here we go again. Like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill, hoping that this time it'll stay put.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Yancey Ward, @Esso

  4. The tipping point?

    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White. That sounds about right to me although other sources say it can be as low as 70% White.

    The community I live in could be called a small Whiteopia. It about 75% White. The other 25% is a mix of Hispanic, Black and Asians. I think the diversity of the diverse mitigates their effect on the White population. The high school is diverse around 50% but parent teacher night would give you the opposite impression.

    I don’t think that most of the community realizes that their cohesiveness is near a tipping point.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @mc23


    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

     

    Where can one find such paradise these days? All the suburban cities in the PNW are now at best 55% white. Just 20 years ago they were 85% white. MexChindians have taken over.

    Replies: @Flip, @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

  5. advanced placement courses: U.S. history

    Forward and sensitive thinking. Me gusta.
    Since it likely consists merely of one of the world’s shortest, silliest books, it would be ideally suited to the new vibranium-brained inductees.

  6. White liberals could use a dose of reality that forced integration would bring.

    Any white liberal stupid enough to be supportive of BLM would really benefit from a strong dose of diversity. In fact, the white liberals who think diversity is our greatest strength and who are constantly virtue signalling should be the ones to have the diversity imposed on them.

    Those of us who think BLM is a scam and who prefer to keep Section 8 blacks away from our neighborhoods should be left alone with our racist ideology.

    Let the supporters of BLM and black dysfunction embrace it fully while keeping us out of it.

  7. Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen

    It was exceedingly difficult to get a carry permit in St Paul back in the '90s. The police chief was black. Didn't matter who the mayor was. Or the people-- Asians, perhaps even just Hmong, outnumbered blacks, and whites still outnumbered everyone else combined.

    A young Eritrean explained it to me, "Too many brothers are killing each other."

    Eventually the state passed shall-issue. This is one reason why.

    , @Alden
    @Dave Pinsen

    San Francisco has a black police chief. And crime has soared. Cars aren’t even safe in garages any more

    , @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    Detroit avoided the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Riots because of black police chief James Craig.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @anarchyst

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Dave Pinsen

    North Carolina isn't doing too well with the the Seven Sons and Daughters of the Reconstruction that were elected Sheriffs in its major metro counties that are currently Rough Ridin' With Biden.

    , @KenH
    @Dave Pinsen


    What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief?
     
    Virtue signaling by the mayor and city council so they feel good about themselves. Every time the SHTF between black thugs and usually white police the answer seems to be a negro police chief.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Ed
    @Dave Pinsen

    Probably like Superintendent picks, you pick a black person to signal you’re all about diversity, maybe keep the DOJ away if something pops off.

  8. Skip zoning. Wow. The New York City Board of Education did this in the 1960s. And?

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @George Weinbaum

    De Blasio has ordered that NYC high schools not admit by zones. It's about re-time. The state has NO business drawing exclusionary lines (legal walls) around public schools (parks, roads, etc.)

    @#19 A large number of students left the public system for private school, but the government funding might have stayed with LAUSD.

    Idk, but here we see a valid measure by which today's totally crappy school system (a carryover from decades past) can still get way worse: The same, dismal results at higher tax dollar cost per-student. The 2019-2020 and '20-'21 school years actually achieved this in blowout fashion.

    The schools experienced certified big drops in attendance. Legally, that required such districts to give tax dollars back to the state general fund. In some districts, a portion of (widely distributed but especially to urban districts) federal bailout dollars were used to repay the state. But in some states, the teachers' union-controlled legislature gave the districts dispensation to not refund the money. That is, many if not ALL districts finished the FY with more money than they've ever seen; they're burning the surplus on fluff such as hiring more psychologists.

    Meanwhile, the schools cried that moving to online instruction put the kids further behind. Had anyone bothered to test the kids, their scores would have been poorer than ever.

  9. Well, uh, isn’t this what the baizuo voted for? I mean I know they thought that orange man bad was just zero-cost virtue signaling but it turns out votes have consequences.

    I feel bad for the people in the suburbs that might get roped into this, though.

    • Replies: @John Regan
    @SimpleSong


    Well, uh, isn’t this what the baizuo voted for? I mean I know they thought that orange man bad was just zero-cost virtue signaling but it turns out votes have consequences.
     
    The kids didn't vote for anything though. And aren't capable of critical thinking anyway at their age so I wouldn't blame them even if they had.

    Yet they will be the ones to suffer most. In the best case their parents burden themselves with new loans so they can flee. That still means they lose their familiar homes, schools, friends. Better hope they won't have to move again in a few years if the false idols of Diversity and Inclusion demand a new sacrifice.

    Or else they get to stay and be integrated. It's always the weakest who get left behind.

    "The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." Book of Numbers 14:18

    I have mixed feelings about the Old Testament (especially the bits that say all Gentiles who won't literally lick the chosen people's boots will be drowned in their own children's blood and other similar nice things...) but this point it gets sadly right.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

  10. The whites there will probably go along with this. Unlike the abrasive, screw-you-and-the-horse-you rode-in-on Irish of South Boston in 1975, Minnesota whites care deeply about what others think of them. Or they’ll just quietly move to White Bear Lake. Go Bears!

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Bragadocious

    I had a couple college buddies from White Bear Lake. No bs, they were hyper focused. It gave me a favorable view of Minnesotans. One, Josh Cassada, became an astronaut.

    , @Alden
    @Bragadocious

    As I recall. The south Boston Irish had to either surrender to Judge Garrity ‘s savages , or flee to catholic schools. and or the suburbs.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Brutusale

  11. Being a straight male is a bad deal these days. Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you attribute that decline in sex to? The 80-20 thing (or whatever it is) wherein the vast majority of single women are sharing the most studly men? More single females opting for more sex with females? Video game/porn addiction? All of these factors and more? Just curious what you're take is.

    Replies: @Moses, @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara

    , @Abelard Lindsey
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?
     
    Are they really doing this?
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?
     
    Or, at least make out in them.

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Sally_Fields_Bandit_Trans_Am.jpg
  12. “In a citywide overhaul, a beloved Black high school was rezoned to include white students from a richer neighborhood. It has been hard for everyone.”

    Oh, man. This slant is pure comedy.

    • Replies: @Jack P
    @JimDandy

    If anyone voted for this, it's them. Grab the popcorn.

  13. TLDR version: if you are a normal white person, leftist-captured school districts are your enemy. Get out if you can.

  14. After all, what do blacks need more than having their already stratospheric self-esteem boosted even higher?

    Such an important observation. Stratospheric being a perfect adjective.

  15. “reducing biases and promoting critical thinking”

    These are inversely correlated if you define bias as the ability to recognize true stereotypes. The more critically you think, the more you believe in average group differences.

  16. But she was working hard to serve the needs of her students and had little interest in adjusting her focus to woo white families.

    “At times,” she said, “it was demeaning and humiliating.”

    This tells the white parents all they need to know.

    “As a society,” she added, “we have subconsciously rolled the red carpet out for white children for generations upon generations. So it’s my challenge and my honor to do that for Black children, to give Black children the same experience of, ‘you are the center of my world.’

    “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.

    It is no wonder that Ms. Friestleben finds the attitudes of white parents “demeaning and humiliating” – she doesn’t have a clue what they are looking for. The way that schools “rolled out the red carpet” for white children was by teaching them, not by making them “feel like royalty”.

    At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.

    If the head teacher at my school had talked to pupils like this, we would have started placing bets on when the men in white coats would come to take him away.

    The gains came at no cost to the educational achievement of white students.

    Now we know they are lying. Even if there was no cost at the level of the individual, at the level of the school the achievements of white students must have declined – simply because the smart Jewish kids had left for private schools.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @James N. Kennett

    Stories like this justify my friend spending $2k a month sending his 2 kids (8&11) to a private school. He grew up in an integrated school system, and from his experiences, didn't want his children to have to go thru the same experience.

  17. As long as you define “segregation” as meaning “black students,” as in: this school is 50% segregated (i.e., it’s half black and half white) and that’s why it has lower test scores than this school that is only 10% segregated (i.e., only 10% white).

    I’m pretty sure you mean “i.e., only 10% black”.

  18. Anon[595] • Disclaimer says:

    But white students test four to five grade levels ahead of Black, Hispanic and Native students, and two and a half grade levels ahead of Asian students

    This is a pretty big gap. As a rule of thumb, a standard deviation in intelligence difference is equal to two-and-a-half school years, at the secondary level. Four years is really bad. What could cause that? Northern blacks selected for intelligence. Are Somalis particularly dumb as a group? Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?

    How do initiatives like this, not court mandated, happen in a representative republican system of government? Do most voters support bussing?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?
     
    One particularly ambitious Somali I know sends his many kids on a long bus ride to Inver Grove Heights to an Islamic charter school. Which district they are included in, if any, I don't know.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Ed
    @Anon

    There’s not much data on Somalis in terms of schooling. Ten years ago researchers found that Somali kids test pretty high for being kindergarten ready coming in slightly below native English speakers.

    https://www.minnpost.com/community-sketchbook/2011/10/report-shows-somali-kids-test-kindergarten-ready-why/

    Steve has touched on this before but WI and MN offered comparatively more generous welfare in the 80s and 90s. This attracted welfare blacks primarily from Chicago. A sort of chain migration developed to these cities. Someone gets in trouble in Chitown they dashed up to live with sis or gf that relocated to Minneapolis.

  19. “Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools”

    Was this a money maker for LAUSD? A large number of students left the public system for private school, but the government funding might have stayed with LAUSD.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @George

    General rule of school funding; the poorest , dumbest and worst behaved the kids, the more money the state and feds pour into the school district.

  20. Everything old is new again. Left-wing Jewish lawyers suing the State, pretending that variations in neighborhood ethnicity are equivalent to de jure segregation; non-parents demanding busing from the suburbs, even across school-district boundaries, because too few whites live in or near bad (black/brown) neighborhoods; actual black parents who don’t want busing, just better school amenities; actual white parents ditto; lying consultants and expert witnesses who don’t want improved schools, just professional fees which come right out of school budgets for the stuff the students’ parents want; and entirely-false claims that forcing white students into black schools is good for those students.

    I especially liked two parts of the article. One part was the second human-interest bit about the mother whose daughter had been rezoned to the black high school 55 minutes away from her home by car, 30 minutes further than her former HS but now with no bus service because (the article explained) the bus transportation budget had been raided to pay diversity consultants fund more academic classes at the black HS and its peers. All that meaning that white parents were supposed to drive their children back and forth long distances to their new, inferior assigned schools, as if the parents had nothing better to do all day. Remember, you have to multiply each non-bused student’s one-way commute time by 4x to get the parent’s daily time expenditure (to school in the morning with child, return home alone, back to school alone in the afternoon, return home with child).

    The second part I admired due to the diabolically-obscure writing:

    Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.

    If you read that very carefully, you can puzzle out that 80% of white students are doing their part to make black and brown students feel good, while only 60% of black and brown students are reciprocating. Or as Steve has explained, the white kids are spread out very thinly to butter all the bread a little.

    Actually, I realize now that I admire one more thing in the article. The straight-out lie (repeated so often that the NYTwit writers probably believe it), first, that integration/desegregation (the article uses both terms within two lines) is beneficial for both black and white students, and second (undermining the first claim) that integration/desegregation merely does not harm the education of white students. A large number of studies have shown that white students suffer a lot, unless the “integration” is sort of fake—tracking or grouping smarter students separately inside a single “school”—in which case the white students suffer only moderately, because of bullying and violence on and near campus perpetrated by black/brown students and their families and acquaintances. Plus the fact that white students lose access to team sports other than water polo.

    Like I imagine Steve does sometimes, I just shake my head ruefully at the “Year Zero” approach to all this. Every single thing described in that article just recaps the stories of a half-century ago (plus/minus of course) and ignores everything learned along the way and since. How tiresome.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Veracitor

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bLBPZAiyuwA/TFaMYyURd1I/AAAAAAAAASY/F43kaNsbu7Y/s1600/old_hippie_very_old_hippies_1.jpg

    “Hey man, you gotta learn to chill out! I went to Berkeley in the 1960s man. I kinda wish we had more diversity back then. There should be a bit of color in the classroom man. Back in 1969, we had the cafeteria only serve dark RYE bread to demonstrate our racial solidarity to the Black Panthers. The dean was furious, mainly because it cost a bit more than the white Wonder bread. You know why that bread was white man? It had no nutrition! It’s all carbs and no substance.

    https://res.cloudinary.com/dbrtm8pf6/image/upload/v1582773946/uploads/cfb2c090/products/134/images/black_bread_with_seeds_650g_sliced_square_1582773945.jpg

    By allowing the blacks into the classroom white kids will be exposed to like psychic nutrition! Life in a 1950s suburbs was really dull man. I remember when I first heard Malvina Reynold’s “Little Boxes” song and I was like hey that’s like me man!

    https://youtu.be/VUoXtddNPAM

    I’m so happy the younger kids are getting interested in civil rights man. I mean these Antifa kids remind me a lot of myself when I joined the Weather Underground. We were ready to take down the system and all the pointless rules man! We were doing some cool stuff. I even helped flip over a police car once during a protest! Cars were a lot heavier back then. It really was a group effort to flip them. You got extra points if a fat cop was inside.”

    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/lqt/lqtci8-b78841503z.120110831151328000gu811mk74.1.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Galsworthy

    , @houston 1992
    @Veracitor

    1. I read the article in our NOR and noted how the progressive lady agreed to have her photo taken while blanketing her daughter with a protective hug. One wonders what the Admissions Directors at her target schools will make of this in 4 years time as their AI system gathers up relevant info about their applicants commitment to the one tru faith of DIE

    2. NYT allowed comments. I selected Those were generally sympathetic to the progressive parents who have been caught practicing without preaching. Some noted that Southerners were not given any choice


    3. One commentator noted what Steve has long noted i.e. one needs to read deep into the article to uncover the real story......in this case to para ~ 19 to learn that the school that the lib progressive offspring are to be sent rank 1/10 for edu effectiveness, and that dismal ranking along with gun violence bolstered the prog parent's resolve to handing over their little Susie to the edu system

    , @guest007
    @Veracitor

    There is almost no research on the effect on being a white student in a majority black school. No academic's career would survive even proposing the research, let alone conducting the research.

    As Steve points out, the data from college town public schools does not support the premise that integration helps black achievement. All of the integration academics rely on data from the 1980's to support their position and refuse to gather new data.

    Also, everyone should remember Millikan V Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that busing children across school district boundaries was unconstitutional. A smart conservatives would also point out that cross political boundary busing is also anti-democratic since it denies the parents the ability to affect their children's education at the ballot box.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Veracitor

    Maximal Lulz for paragraph two!!

  21. How much contact in class do mostly college bound white students have with kids mostly taking basic math and English (that is what we called those classes; I am sure nobody would call basic courses basic anymore)?

    I do not even understand what is being attempted here because most of the nonwhite kids would not be in the same academic classes as the white kids. Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school? Is this really a social experiment and not an academic one? To see if being together for homeroom, lunch and gym class and some electives like cooking and art makes a difference?

    The principal shows her real thinking here when she thought of what her school had to offer:

    “The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio.”

    Everything she is proud of is an external. Nothing about her students themselves is mentioned. No mention of parental interest or support either. That of course is one of the biggest problem: that the parents do not think school and real learning (not just passing) is very important. If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    This is very depressing. It is not shocking but it is very disheartening. And we are continuing to import poverty. So all those middle class jobs that have disappeared since 2000 snd due to disappear soon wouldn’t have anybody to do them anyway in Minneapolis.

    What are we going to do with this younger generation? What will they do when we are gone?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @notsaying

    "I do not even understand what is being attempted here"

    I'll make it simple for you: the purpose of the entire enterprise is simply to harm white kids. To give them crappier educations, constant annoyance, and make their lives hell through violence, intimidation, and for the girls, non-stop sexual harassment.

    Remember the Prime Directive: "If it harms the goyim, then it's good for the Jews."

    , @magilla
    @notsaying


    Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school?
     
    In a word, yes. Those kids are supposed to help the staff educate the students who are incapable of learning.

    Their other main functionis to score high on standardized tests. Either way, their future is being sacrificed.
    , @JosephD
    @notsaying

    Not all classes are as closely tracked as math. For example, there can be a mix of students in history classes in 9th and 10th grades. English and foreign language classes may also be untracked in those grades. So there could be a moderate amount of mixing before 11th and 12th grades.


    If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?
     
    I think calling students functioning at grade level 5 to 8 as functional illiterates is rather harsh. Not STEM or management material, certainly.

    Replies: @Carol

    , @smetana
    @notsaying


    If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?
     
    The bottom half of the black IQ bell curve are as dumb as 'funny-looking' developmentally disabled whites. (h/t iSteve). In everyday interactions, they fit in better with their own society, though. Just extra dim, not funny-looking.

    This is where the "death penalty for black retarded man!!!" articles come from. The black death row inmates aren't funny-looking disabled, though they sport IQ numbers that match the funny-looking whites.

  22. The son of a prominent Minneapolis advertising executive (thanks to Pillsbury, General Mills, K-tel, Target, Best Buy, etc., advertising is huge there) married a not-too-dark Haitian woman. They lived in or near North Minneapolis and were leading some desegregation effort.

    I don’t remember if this was part of the 2000 NAACP lawsuit or a reaction to its aftermath, but do remember thinking at the time, “Desegregation? That sounds so ’70s!”

  23. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    It was exceedingly difficult to get a carry permit in St Paul back in the ’90s. The police chief was black. Didn’t matter who the mayor was. Or the people– Asians, perhaps even just Hmong, outnumbered blacks, and whites still outnumbered everyone else combined.

    A young Eritrean explained it to me, “Too many brothers are killing each other.”

    Eventually the state passed shall-issue. This is one reason why.

  24. @SimpleSong
    Well, uh, isn't this what the baizuo voted for? I mean I know they thought that orange man bad was just zero-cost virtue signaling but it turns out votes have consequences.

    I feel bad for the people in the suburbs that might get roped into this, though.

    Replies: @John Regan

    Well, uh, isn’t this what the baizuo voted for? I mean I know they thought that orange man bad was just zero-cost virtue signaling but it turns out votes have consequences.

    The kids didn’t vote for anything though. And aren’t capable of critical thinking anyway at their age so I wouldn’t blame them even if they had.

    Yet they will be the ones to suffer most. In the best case their parents burden themselves with new loans so they can flee. That still means they lose their familiar homes, schools, friends. Better hope they won’t have to move again in a few years if the false idols of Diversity and Inclusion demand a new sacrifice.

    Or else they get to stay and be integrated. It’s always the weakest who get left behind.

    “The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.” Book of Numbers 14:18

    I have mixed feelings about the Old Testament (especially the bits that say all Gentiles who won’t literally lick the chosen people’s boots will be drowned in their own children’s blood and other similar nice things…) but this point it gets sadly right.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @John Regan

    The Old Testament is the distillation of literally thousands of years of human experience.

    The God of the Old Testament doesn't much offer you salvation. But he offers you insight into The World As It Is.

    Ignore it at your peril!

  25. As long as you define “segregation” as meaning “black students,”

    Uh-uh. School zoning is de facto segregation. Absolutely. (Big picture: all government zones, districts, etc. are politically crafted crap.)

    A_p_e aside, any public school should be open (to capacity), on any given skool day, to any student, on a first come/served basis. Come Monday, if some [black] kid from N. Long Beach is one of the first 1,400 in line (@0600?) at Beverly Hills High (or Lowell, or wherever), he gets in. Or maybe you believe that Malibu State Beach should only allow-on those who live in the Colony?

  26. I live in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis. We instituted bussing within our district about 5 years ago based on the standard flawed logic, as those preschools with a lot of Somali immigrants had lower scores than the others. Now we have a million dollar bussing system. No one thinks about measuring if this helped, and I’m sure any data relevant to that question are quickly burned.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @satoshi


    I live in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis... those preschools with a lot of Somali immigrants had lower scores than the others.
     
    Consider that Eden Prairie's Somalis are the most successful of Minnesota's, and Minnesota's the most successful of the whole diaspora.

    The crème de la crème (ugu fiican) are regressing to their mean. Perhaps interclan marriage might ameliorate this some; what Steve once called "airing out their genes".
  27. article: ”
    The situation is especially stark in Minneapolis, a deeply segregated city. The district of 30,500 students is diverse: about 41 percent white, 35 percent Black, 14 percent Hispanic, 5 percent Asian American and 4 percent Native American.”

    wikipedia counts Minneapolis as populated with ~ 430,000 people. But, the public schools only have 30.5K students or 7% of the population…..that % is lower than I expected , even for a Blue city.

    How many children are home schooled or attend private schools?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @houston 1992


    How many children are home schooled or attend private schools?
     
    Minnesota was among the first states with charter schools and interdistrict transfers by choice. Old Catholic schools survive, and some thrive. My son's old Cub Scout pack was attached to a rather vigorous one in South Minneapolis.

    There are also private, tony Breck and Blake. Robert M Pirsig, Franken & Davis, and CNN's Poppy Harlow are graduates of the latter.

    Homeschooling is also very big in the Twin Cities. How all these affect the standard school district's numbers you'll have to ask someone closer to the action.
  28. @notsaying
    How much contact in class do mostly college bound white students have with kids mostly taking basic math and English (that is what we called those classes; I am sure nobody would call basic courses basic anymore)?

    I do not even understand what is being attempted here because most of the nonwhite kids would not be in the same academic classes as the white kids. Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school? Is this really a social experiment and not an academic one? To see if being together for homeroom, lunch and gym class and some electives like cooking and art makes a difference?

    The principal shows her real thinking here when she thought of what her school had to offer:

    "The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio."

    Everything she is proud of is an external. Nothing about her students themselves is mentioned. No mention of parental interest or support either. That of course is one of the biggest problem: that the parents do not think school and real learning (not just passing) is very important. If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn't that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    This is very depressing. It is not shocking but it is very disheartening. And we are continuing to import poverty. So all those middle class jobs that have disappeared since 2000 snd due to disappear soon wouldn't have anybody to do them anyway in Minneapolis.

    What are we going to do with this younger generation? What will they do when we are gone?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla, @JosephD, @smetana

    “I do not even understand what is being attempted here”

    I’ll make it simple for you: the purpose of the entire enterprise is simply to harm white kids. To give them crappier educations, constant annoyance, and make their lives hell through violence, intimidation, and for the girls, non-stop sexual harassment.

    Remember the Prime Directive: “If it harms the goyim, then it’s good for the Jews.”

  29. Always the same wrong conclusions from the wrong assumption of racial equality

    Mixed with some BLATANT lies, that adding Blacks benefits white (lowercase)

    Other research has documented how racially and economically diverse schools can benefit all students, including white children, by reducing biases and promoting skills like critical thinking.

    It does not even reduce bias because personal experience with black violnce and bullying really causes (justified) bias.
    But, from the asumption that all are equal, if that truly were the case, seeing that Blacks are exactly the same, thaht would reduce bias.

    The wrong assumptions can never be falsified and corrected as long as truth telling about black failures, aka #hatefacts, is totally verboten racism.

    We only get out of this conundrum if we demand freedom of #TrueSpeech and shun all lies and repression.

  30. France discovers busing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59290896

    French school bus experiment brings hope to Toulouse estates

  31. @Veracitor
    Everything old is new again. Left-wing Jewish lawyers suing the State, pretending that variations in neighborhood ethnicity are equivalent to de jure segregation; non-parents demanding busing from the suburbs, even across school-district boundaries, because too few whites live in or near bad (black/brown) neighborhoods; actual black parents who don’t want busing, just better school amenities; actual white parents ditto; lying consultants and expert witnesses who don’t want improved schools, just professional fees which come right out of school budgets for the stuff the students’ parents want; and entirely-false claims that forcing white students into black schools is good for those students.

    I especially liked two parts of the article. One part was the second human-interest bit about the mother whose daughter had been rezoned to the black high school 55 minutes away from her home by car, 30 minutes further than her former HS but now with no bus service because (the article explained) the bus transportation budget had been raided to pay diversity consultants fund more academic classes at the black HS and its peers. All that meaning that white parents were supposed to drive their children back and forth long distances to their new, inferior assigned schools, as if the parents had nothing better to do all day. Remember, you have to multiply each non-bused student’s one-way commute time by 4x to get the parent’s daily time expenditure (to school in the morning with child, return home alone, back to school alone in the afternoon, return home with child).

    The second part I admired due to the diabolically-obscure writing:


    Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.
     
    If you read that very carefully, you can puzzle out that 80% of white students are doing their part to make black and brown students feel good, while only 60% of black and brown students are reciprocating. Or as Steve has explained, the white kids are spread out very thinly to butter all the bread a little.

    Actually, I realize now that I admire one more thing in the article. The straight-out lie (repeated so often that the NYTwit writers probably believe it), first, that integration/desegregation (the article uses both terms within two lines) is beneficial for both black and white students, and second (undermining the first claim) that integration/desegregation merely does not harm the education of white students. A large number of studies have shown that white students suffer a lot, unless the “integration” is sort of fake—tracking or grouping smarter students separately inside a single “school”—in which case the white students suffer only moderately, because of bullying and violence on and near campus perpetrated by black/brown students and their families and acquaintances. Plus the fact that white students lose access to team sports other than water polo.

    Like I imagine Steve does sometimes, I just shake my head ruefully at the “Year Zero” approach to all this. Every single thing described in that article just recaps the stories of a half-century ago (plus/minus of course) and ignores everything learned along the way and since. How tiresome.

    Replies: @Kronos, @houston 1992, @guest007, @Ben tillman


    “Hey man, you gotta learn to chill out! I went to Berkeley in the 1960s man. I kinda wish we had more diversity back then. There should be a bit of color in the classroom man. Back in 1969, we had the cafeteria only serve dark RYE bread to demonstrate our racial solidarity to the Black Panthers. The dean was furious, mainly because it cost a bit more than the white Wonder bread. You know why that bread was white man? It had no nutrition! It’s all carbs and no substance.

    By allowing the blacks into the classroom white kids will be exposed to like psychic nutrition! Life in a 1950s suburbs was really dull man. I remember when I first heard Malvina Reynold’s “Little Boxes” song and I was like hey that’s like me man!

    I’m so happy the younger kids are getting interested in civil rights man. I mean these Antifa kids remind me a lot of myself when I joined the Weather Underground. We were ready to take down the system and all the pointless rules man! We were doing some cool stuff. I even helped flip over a police car once during a protest! Cars were a lot heavier back then. It really was a group effort to flip them. You got extra points if a fat cop was inside.”

    • LOL: Escher
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kronos

    Nice of Buzz to send you the photos!

    (And those houses were made of ticky-tacky. My dad got one on the GI Bill. Not a brick in 'em. Good thing Long Island doesn't have tornadoes.)

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    , @Galsworthy
    @Kronos

    Is that Jimmy Savile?

  32. My guess is that blacks are probably best off around fewer other blacks, but I’ve never seen this crucial question honestly studied. For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? 20% black?

    I think black students would be much less of a problem for each other and for non-black students if our schools had effective discipline and sensible tracking.

    Disruptive students should not be allowed to sabotage the education of students willing to work and behave themselves. Even many currently disruptive students would behave better and maybe learn something if it were made clear that the schools would not take any of their shit. The incorrigibles should be isolated and/or expelled.

    Probably the relative success of KIPP schools is based on taking only students who are willing to behave and work hard.

    Parents with smart kids would be a lot less reluctant to send their kids to schools with lots of blacks if they knew their kids would be safe and appropriately challenged, rather than grouped with and held back by morons and proto-criminals.

    Sensible discipline and tracking would probably be politically much more tolerable in a school that’s overwhelmingly black than in a school with lots of blacks and lots of whites and Asians. Sensible policies in a mixed school would produce glaring racial disparities.

  33. @Veracitor
    Everything old is new again. Left-wing Jewish lawyers suing the State, pretending that variations in neighborhood ethnicity are equivalent to de jure segregation; non-parents demanding busing from the suburbs, even across school-district boundaries, because too few whites live in or near bad (black/brown) neighborhoods; actual black parents who don’t want busing, just better school amenities; actual white parents ditto; lying consultants and expert witnesses who don’t want improved schools, just professional fees which come right out of school budgets for the stuff the students’ parents want; and entirely-false claims that forcing white students into black schools is good for those students.

    I especially liked two parts of the article. One part was the second human-interest bit about the mother whose daughter had been rezoned to the black high school 55 minutes away from her home by car, 30 minutes further than her former HS but now with no bus service because (the article explained) the bus transportation budget had been raided to pay diversity consultants fund more academic classes at the black HS and its peers. All that meaning that white parents were supposed to drive their children back and forth long distances to their new, inferior assigned schools, as if the parents had nothing better to do all day. Remember, you have to multiply each non-bused student’s one-way commute time by 4x to get the parent’s daily time expenditure (to school in the morning with child, return home alone, back to school alone in the afternoon, return home with child).

    The second part I admired due to the diabolically-obscure writing:


    Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.
     
    If you read that very carefully, you can puzzle out that 80% of white students are doing their part to make black and brown students feel good, while only 60% of black and brown students are reciprocating. Or as Steve has explained, the white kids are spread out very thinly to butter all the bread a little.

    Actually, I realize now that I admire one more thing in the article. The straight-out lie (repeated so often that the NYTwit writers probably believe it), first, that integration/desegregation (the article uses both terms within two lines) is beneficial for both black and white students, and second (undermining the first claim) that integration/desegregation merely does not harm the education of white students. A large number of studies have shown that white students suffer a lot, unless the “integration” is sort of fake—tracking or grouping smarter students separately inside a single “school”—in which case the white students suffer only moderately, because of bullying and violence on and near campus perpetrated by black/brown students and their families and acquaintances. Plus the fact that white students lose access to team sports other than water polo.

    Like I imagine Steve does sometimes, I just shake my head ruefully at the “Year Zero” approach to all this. Every single thing described in that article just recaps the stories of a half-century ago (plus/minus of course) and ignores everything learned along the way and since. How tiresome.

    Replies: @Kronos, @houston 1992, @guest007, @Ben tillman

    1. I read the article in our NOR and noted how the progressive lady agreed to have her photo taken while blanketing her daughter with a protective hug. One wonders what the Admissions Directors at her target schools will make of this in 4 years time as their AI system gathers up relevant info about their applicants commitment to the one tru faith of DIE

    2. NYT allowed comments. I selected Those were generally sympathetic to the progressive parents who have been caught practicing without preaching. Some noted that Southerners were not given any choice

    3. One commentator noted what Steve has long noted i.e. one needs to read deep into the article to uncover the real story……in this case to para ~ 19 to learn that the school that the lib progressive offspring are to be sent rank 1/10 for edu effectiveness, and that dismal ranking along with gun violence bolstered the prog parent’s resolve to handing over their little Susie to the edu system

  34. “Home of the Polars”

    https://north.mpls.k12.mn.us/meet_our_administration

    I laugh bitter tears, and feel the pain of the white kids who will be forced to run this gauntlet, for I was once in their shoes.

    • Agree: magilla
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Paperback Writer

    PS I feel sorry for the kids but not their parents.


    If there is anywhere white families might embrace an integration plan, a likely candidate would be Minneapolis, which became the epicenter of the nation’s reckoning with racism after George Floyd’s murder last year. The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for $500,000 to $1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”
     
    They deserve everything they get.

    Move to a Red state.

    Make it redder.

    Take over the state legislature.

    Don't ever let this happen to your kids.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Enemy of Earth

    , @International Jew
    @Paperback Writer

    Gotta give them credit for running a tight ship: just two administrators for the entire high school! Of course, I don't have to do any research, to determine that the assistant principal, Mr. Steve White is not. I imagine a white assistant principal at any even lightly integrated school today verges on logical impossibility.

    (Note to you furners on here: at an American public school, the assistant principal is the school's sergeant at arms.)

  35. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for \$500,000 to \$1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”

    Hey, I just thought of a way to tell which kids will be bused to black schools.

    Everybody happy, problem solved!

  36. At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.

    That sounds like what counts as an “axiom” in the ed biz. It’s supposed to be treated as true, whether or not it reflects reality.

    Here are some similar “axioms” in the math ed biz:

    http://math.sfsu.edu/federico/Articles/noticesfinal.pdf

    I. The Axioms
    Let me begin with some axioms. I firmly believe in them, and I build my work upon them.
    Axiom 1. Mathematical talent is distributed equally among different groups, irrespective of geographic, demographic, and economic boundaries.
    Axiom 2. Everyone can have joyful, meaningful, and em- powering mathematical experiences.
    Axiom 3. Mathematics is a powerful, malleable tool that can be shaped and used differently by various communi- ties to serve their needs.
    Axiom 4. Every student deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.
    These statements should not sound revolutionary, but considering the current practices of the mathematical society, they are a pressing call to action.

    • Replies: @res
    @Calvin Hobbes


    Let me begin with some axioms. I firmly believe in them, and I build my work upon them.
     
    GIGO (to be specific, axiom 1 is false)
  37. @Paperback Writer
    "Home of the Polars"

    https://north.mpls.k12.mn.us/meet_our_administration

    I laugh bitter tears, and feel the pain of the white kids who will be forced to run this gauntlet, for I was once in their shoes.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @International Jew

    PS I feel sorry for the kids but not their parents.

    If there is anywhere white families might embrace an integration plan, a likely candidate would be Minneapolis, which became the epicenter of the nation’s reckoning with racism after George Floyd’s murder last year. The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for \$500,000 to \$1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”

    They deserve everything they get.

    Move to a Red state.

    Make it redder.

    Take over the state legislature.

    Don’t ever let this happen to your kids.

    • Agree: Enemy of Earth
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paperback Writer

    Muh red states

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Enemy of Earth
    @Paperback Writer

    I have never seen such a large collection of self-loathing White folks than I have since moving up here. It is truly pathetic.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  38. The school in the NYT article has changed its name a few times, and the greatschools profile uses its old and new names at the same time, making it a little hard to find:

    https://www.greatschools.org/minnesota/minneapolis/5788-North-Academy-Arts-Communication/

    Relevant info: yes, the school has numerous AP programs, with nearly 25% of the student body enrolled. And yet, the average ACT composite score at the school is a 14, which is in about the 17th or so percentile.

    The fact that this 88% black school has a polar bear as its mascot makes me feel like the Matrix is just screwing with us at this point.

  39. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    I approve. I know this is brutal, but it’s the only way to turn many of those white kids into conservatives and counter all the crazy educational propaganda they’re getting. After getting beaten up by low IQ thugs, they’ll turn on their ivory tower libtard parents with a vengeance. They’ll become conservative voters for life.

    I still remember how Christopher Hitchens stubbornly sent his daughter to a public school until she contracted tuberculosis from her third world classmates.

    Liberals need to eat shit to make them learn.

  40. The Polar Bear mascot must date from a time when the school was overwhelmingly white and whites were not ashamed of being white.

    Still, I’m surprised they haven’t changed it. They probably tell the students that polar bears have black skin.

    https://zooologist.com/what-color-skin-do-polar-bears-have/

  41. They can’t blame the black students, their parents or the unionized teachers at these schools for the ‘achievement gap.’ So the only thing left is to blame white students and parents from other schools.

    But if these smug progressives voted for Biden & BLM by 80% after the BLM blegs and anarchists were burning precinct houses and running amok last year, they deserve the inevitable result of this idiotic ‘progressive’ social engineering. If they’d rather their kids suffer than admit they are wrong, that’s 100% on them.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    if these smug progressives voted for Biden & BLM by 80%
     
    Please note that in their typically deceptive style, the NYT writers/editors actually say this:

    The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas.
     
    Leaving wide open the possibility that the "some areas" could be black, asian, or just about anything.

    They make it seem like these 60% whites are the ones who voted 80% for Biden, to the casual reader. Who is their usual target.

    , @Kronos
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    A lot of those kids will end up on the red pill fast track.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

  42. that’s why it has lower test scores than this school that is only 10% segregated (i.e., only 10% white)

    I hope you meant “black.”

    That study that claims no effect on whites is a joke/ridiculous lie to anyone who went to a recently desegregated school. My parents were looking at a private school for me halfway through 7th grade.

  43. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    They can't blame the black students, their parents or the unionized teachers at these schools for the 'achievement gap.' So the only thing left is to blame white students and parents from other schools.

    But if these smug progressives voted for Biden & BLM by 80% after the BLM blegs and anarchists were burning precinct houses and running amok last year, they deserve the inevitable result of this idiotic 'progressive' social engineering. If they'd rather their kids suffer than admit they are wrong, that's 100% on them.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Kronos

    if these smug progressives voted for Biden & BLM by 80%

    Please note that in their typically deceptive style, the NYT writers/editors actually say this:

    The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas.

    Leaving wide open the possibility that the “some areas” could be black, asian, or just about anything.

    They make it seem like these 60% whites are the ones who voted 80% for Biden, to the casual reader. Who is their usual target.

  44. “At times,” she said, “it was demeaning and humiliating.”

    Also note that not a single BadWhite (in Minneapolis?) is actually quoted, so in typical NYT style, the reporter and/or the principal may well be making it up. Wouldn’t exactly be the first time.

    Also note that certain people believe that it’s “demeaning and humiliating” to be treated like anything less than “royalty” which is how she says she treats her POC students.

    Also note the standard canard that wypipos are treated like royalty always and everywhere, from birth to death. Strange, but my own life hasn’t been quite like that. Nor has that of any white person I’ve ever known.

  45. If the idea is to enlist white parents to help with integration, maybe they should encourage fertility. Put up billboard ads with messages like “White people: make more babies!” and “White babies matter!” Yard signs too, of course.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @International Jew


    Yard signs too, of course.
     
    Now that's an interesting idea. If you have a desire to collect on your fire insurance, would such a sign disqualify you?

    Of course, there is the risk that you'd be shot instead. Could your survivors collect on your life insurance?

    , @Rob McX
    @International Jew

    That's what I was thinking. At the rate things are going, there won't be enough whites to go round, so it's time to start popping more babies to bus to school. Also increase white immigration, and shut the border because there just aren't enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis. What could be more cruel than to send them to schools with no whites and low grades? Get all those Wójciks and Kowalskis to bring their cousins from the home country to Minnesota.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    Yard signs too, of course.
     
    https://www.womenarehuman.com/wp-content/uploads/Say-the-Pronouns.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  46. It’s interesting how those with influence or power will recommend the same kind of things – or in many cases – the same things – that they have been recommending for the last sixty years, as if what happened over the last sixty years did not happen and/or we had not noticed that it had happened.

    To them, it’s always 1962: Michael Harrington has just written The Other America, and To Kill a Mockingbird has just come out in the theaters. It’s a brand new day!

  47. @International Jew
    If the idea is to enlist white parents to help with integration, maybe they should encourage fertility. Put up billboard ads with messages like "White people: make more babies!" and "White babies matter!" Yard signs too, of course.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    Yard signs too, of course.

    Now that’s an interesting idea. If you have a desire to collect on your fire insurance, would such a sign disqualify you?

    Of course, there is the risk that you’d be shot instead. Could your survivors collect on your life insurance?

  48. As soon as I saw this article I thought, I hope iSteve sees it.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  49. This is great! We need a lot more of this. In fact, we should have MANDATORY BUSING for all White kids. It will succeed like Critical Race Theory and field trips to Gay Bars for first graders did in Virginia! It will be even more popular than trannies raping girls in the bathroom.

    Really, nothing makes a life-long racist like exposure and victimization by vibrant “youths” and “teens” during school years. The White boys will particularly racist, all their lives. All the White girls will belong to the black boys, and all the black girls (whom no one wants anyway) will belong to the black boys … The White girls being prettier will face constant retaliation by black girls. No White kid will get any advanced classes or ever go to College. They will face constant demonization, and victimization, and grow to hate authority and everyone who is not White.

    Make Upper Middle Class White parents see their kids being turned into third class serfs before their eyes in service to blacks, its a revolutionary thing. They will see it for what it is — their kids cannot go to College so black kids can, and get all the good jobs that are still available. It means for the boys mostly no kids at all, and single motherhood for the girls working a waitress job or cashier or something like that. It ends the line of the Upper Middle Class parents and they will now have the same outcomes as working class Whites. They won’t like it. Unlike the Working Class, they’ll have resources, connections, and power to fight it — and crush the entire black Ascendancy as a mortal threat to their families very quickly. It was fine when working class kids got it in the neck. Theirs not so much.

    Which means “our guys” should join groups like BLM, etc. and push constantly for forced mandatory busing of White kids ESPECIALLY from high income zip codes. Imagine all the kids in Malibu bused to South LA. Or all the White kids in Brooklyn bused to the Bronx! Hilarity! Even better if it applied to PRIVATE SCHOOLS so there was NO ESCAPE from busing.

  50. @Paperback Writer
    "Home of the Polars"

    https://north.mpls.k12.mn.us/meet_our_administration

    I laugh bitter tears, and feel the pain of the white kids who will be forced to run this gauntlet, for I was once in their shoes.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @International Jew

    Gotta give them credit for running a tight ship: just two administrators for the entire high school! Of course, I don’t have to do any research, to determine that the assistant principal, Mr. Steve White is not. I imagine a white assistant principal at any even lightly integrated school today verges on logical impossibility.

    (Note to you furners on here: at an American public school, the assistant principal is the school’s sergeant at arms.)

  51. @Rob McX
    Here we go again. Like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill, hoping that this time it'll stay put.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Yancey Ward, @Esso

    This is Sisyphus pushing the rock down the hill and into the public school at the bottom of the hill. I can already tell you what is going to happen- almost no white families will send their children to this high school- they will either move, pretend to have moved, or put them in private schools.

  52. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    They can't blame the black students, their parents or the unionized teachers at these schools for the 'achievement gap.' So the only thing left is to blame white students and parents from other schools.

    But if these smug progressives voted for Biden & BLM by 80% after the BLM blegs and anarchists were burning precinct houses and running amok last year, they deserve the inevitable result of this idiotic 'progressive' social engineering. If they'd rather their kids suffer than admit they are wrong, that's 100% on them.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Kronos

    A lot of those kids will end up on the red pill fast track.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Kronos

    They may grow up red-pilled, but they're still going to have BLM signs in their yards. And be "allies".

    Replies: @magilla

  53. “For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? ”

    10% for schools, neighborhoods, work force, cities, the population of the country, pretty much anything other than a pro basketball team.

    More than that, and it’s ghetto glamorization time, baby.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Mike Tre

    I don't even think the basketball team is safe.

    My random searches among Youtube videos found a documentary about the season of one of the NFL teams(don't know which one but it was a new docu) and it was blatantly obvious that the white and black players were segregated.

    , @anon
    @Mike Tre


    10% for schools, neighborhoods, work force, cities, the population of the country, pretty much anything other than a pro basketball team.
     
    Where did you come up with that?
  54. @International Jew
    If the idea is to enlist white parents to help with integration, maybe they should encourage fertility. Put up billboard ads with messages like "White people: make more babies!" and "White babies matter!" Yard signs too, of course.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    That’s what I was thinking. At the rate things are going, there won’t be enough whites to go round, so it’s time to start popping more babies to bus to school. Also increase white immigration, and shut the border because there just aren’t enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis. What could be more cruel than to send them to schools with no whites and low grades? Get all those Wójciks and Kowalskis to bring their cousins from the home country to Minnesota.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    @Rob McX

    Boston Scientific will build a robot with an AI system that confers upon them a Romney-esque deferential personality.
    The crisis of 2027 will be the ratio of AI robots to humans, and what AI type and revision number should govern those robots.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    there just aren’t enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis.
     
    Somalis haven't integrated with anyone in five thousand years. They're not going to start now.

    Though they are in the Arab League, which is fun to remind the Arabist contingent on iSteve.
    , @International Jew
    @Rob McX

    That is what the regime would be pushing, if the goal of integration really were, as stated, to bestow white goodness onto POCs. Unfortunately, the real goal might be simply to harm white people and white children; this would be more consistent with observed public policy.

  55. “My guess is that blacks are probably best off around fewer other blacks, but I’ve never seen this crucial question honestly studied. For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? 20% black?”

    Well this sums up the situation quite pithily, doesn’t it? What black-majority city is functioning at a high and civilized manner? None. Are there many majority black high schools around the country that are operating at much more than that basic-competence level? Perhaps the only positive examples are a few historically black colleges, such as Howard and Morehouse, that produce competent graduates.

    The sad reality is that black culture really doesn’t value education very much. Yes, a few of their leaders crow about it all the time, but as a people they really don’t put much value into it, as do whites, Asians or even Latinos. If only everyone could come to this recognition, and stop all of these absurd efforts to change cultural predispositions, we would all be much better off.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @PaceLaw

    Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students? According to Google, Morehouse has a 77% acceptance rate and a 55% graduation rate.

    Replies: @Ed, @PaceLaw

  56. All that matters is opposing forced integration. Enough non-White immigration already has come to America to end us as a people with forced integration.

    America as a majority White country is dead meat.

    The focus must be on allowing Whites to exist as a people. This means opposing government forced social engineering (affirmative action, quotas, school bussing, 60s “civil rights” laws, “fair housing” laws, etc).

    It’s an anti-White agenda we have a right to oppose.

  57. @Paperback Writer
    @Paperback Writer

    PS I feel sorry for the kids but not their parents.


    If there is anywhere white families might embrace an integration plan, a likely candidate would be Minneapolis, which became the epicenter of the nation’s reckoning with racism after George Floyd’s murder last year. The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for $500,000 to $1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”
     
    They deserve everything they get.

    Move to a Red state.

    Make it redder.

    Take over the state legislature.

    Don't ever let this happen to your kids.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Enemy of Earth

    Muh red states

    • Agree: Chester, Charon
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AndrewR

    I said make it redder. Did you read that?

    Replies: @Bill

  58. It’s crazy up in the Great White North. A St. Paul PhD administrator in the school district is working as a health officer in a school. That’s how short-handed the schools are up here. Anoka-Hennepin district is paying subs \$180 a day, double what the rate was last year. I hear the district is short 200 teachers, many are absent because family members have Covid. There is a serious shortage of bus drivers and cafeteria staff. Wotta mess. But at least they’re keeping the schools integrated.

  59. @Paperback Writer
    @Paperback Writer

    PS I feel sorry for the kids but not their parents.


    If there is anywhere white families might embrace an integration plan, a likely candidate would be Minneapolis, which became the epicenter of the nation’s reckoning with racism after George Floyd’s murder last year. The city is 60 percent white and a bastion of liberalism, with a voting population that supported President Biden by 80 percentage points or more in some areas. In majority white neighborhoods, where homes can sell for $500,000 to $1 million, lawn signs proclaim “Black Lives Matter” and “All Are Welcome Here.”
     
    They deserve everything they get.

    Move to a Red state.

    Make it redder.

    Take over the state legislature.

    Don't ever let this happen to your kids.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Enemy of Earth

    I have never seen such a large collection of self-loathing White folks than I have since moving up here. It is truly pathetic.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Enemy of Earth

    As H.L. Mencken said, "Democracy is giving people what they want - good and hard."

    Look at California. Carjackings at red lights, open theft in restaurants.

    Shrug.

    PS You live in Minnesota? Tell us stories.

  60. Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools,

    Maybe for some who supported it, that was the part of the (cognitive dissonance) objective: to segregate Jewish children away from gentiles.

    • LOL: IHTG
  61. @Kronos
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    A lot of those kids will end up on the red pill fast track.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    They may grow up red-pilled, but they’re still going to have BLM signs in their yards. And be “allies”.

    • Replies: @magilla
    @Redneck farmer


    They may grow up red-pilled, but they’re still going to have BLM signs in their yards. And be “allies”.
     
    Maybe. But I lived through this in PG County Maryland, and if my experience is any guide, the program might as well have been designed by the KKK. Even the few Jewish kids ended up "racist", and still are after nearly 50 years.
  62. @Rob McX
    @International Jew

    That's what I was thinking. At the rate things are going, there won't be enough whites to go round, so it's time to start popping more babies to bus to school. Also increase white immigration, and shut the border because there just aren't enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis. What could be more cruel than to send them to schools with no whites and low grades? Get all those Wójciks and Kowalskis to bring their cousins from the home country to Minnesota.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    Boston Scientific will build a robot with an AI system that confers upon them a Romney-esque deferential personality.
    The crisis of 2027 will be the ratio of AI robots to humans, and what AI type and revision number should govern those robots.

  63. @Kronos
    @Veracitor

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bLBPZAiyuwA/TFaMYyURd1I/AAAAAAAAASY/F43kaNsbu7Y/s1600/old_hippie_very_old_hippies_1.jpg

    “Hey man, you gotta learn to chill out! I went to Berkeley in the 1960s man. I kinda wish we had more diversity back then. There should be a bit of color in the classroom man. Back in 1969, we had the cafeteria only serve dark RYE bread to demonstrate our racial solidarity to the Black Panthers. The dean was furious, mainly because it cost a bit more than the white Wonder bread. You know why that bread was white man? It had no nutrition! It’s all carbs and no substance.

    https://res.cloudinary.com/dbrtm8pf6/image/upload/v1582773946/uploads/cfb2c090/products/134/images/black_bread_with_seeds_650g_sliced_square_1582773945.jpg

    By allowing the blacks into the classroom white kids will be exposed to like psychic nutrition! Life in a 1950s suburbs was really dull man. I remember when I first heard Malvina Reynold’s “Little Boxes” song and I was like hey that’s like me man!

    https://youtu.be/VUoXtddNPAM

    I’m so happy the younger kids are getting interested in civil rights man. I mean these Antifa kids remind me a lot of myself when I joined the Weather Underground. We were ready to take down the system and all the pointless rules man! We were doing some cool stuff. I even helped flip over a police car once during a protest! Cars were a lot heavier back then. It really was a group effort to flip them. You got extra points if a fat cop was inside.”

    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/lqt/lqtci8-b78841503z.120110831151328000gu811mk74.1.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Galsworthy

    Nice of Buzz to send you the photos!

    (And those houses were made of ticky-tacky. My dad got one on the GI Bill. Not a brick in ’em. Good thing Long Island doesn’t have tornadoes.)

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Reg Cæsar

    That song is about Daly City, just south of Frisco. Brick houses are a bad idea in earthquake zones. 2x4 and stucco are a lot safer.

  64. @Rob McX
    @International Jew

    That's what I was thinking. At the rate things are going, there won't be enough whites to go round, so it's time to start popping more babies to bus to school. Also increase white immigration, and shut the border because there just aren't enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis. What could be more cruel than to send them to schools with no whites and low grades? Get all those Wójciks and Kowalskis to bring their cousins from the home country to Minnesota.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    there just aren’t enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis.

    Somalis haven’t integrated with anyone in five thousand years. They’re not going to start now.

    Though they are in the Arab League, which is fun to remind the Arabist contingent on iSteve.

  65. Anonymous[530] • Disclaimer says:

    That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind

    Why should LA taxpayers have had to foot the bill for privileged Jewish kids to receive effectively a segregated education?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Because their parents paid a lot of taxes. And the San Fernando Valley is segregated from the rest of Los Angeles by a mountain range up to a half mile high?

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anonymous

    How I abhor this place!
    Its sweet and bitter taste
    Has left me wretched,
    Retching on all fours:
    Los Angeles, I'm yours.

    --Decemberists

    , @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    I'm no great defender of Jews, but WTF would you bus kids 20-30 miles one way to school each day? It's a 25 mile drive from Canoga Park to LAX (near south central LA). The I405 is the only expressway that gets you from south central to the valley and even in the 80's the Sepulveda Pass (linking the LA basin with the SF valley) was a parking lot during rush hour.

    It's a massive waste of students' time not to mention the tax payer money spent on buying buses, fueling them, maintaining them, and paying bus divers to drive them.

  66. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    San Francisco has a black police chief. And crime has soared. Cars aren’t even safe in garages any more

  67. “Ms. Friestleben, a mixed-race woman who identifies as Black…” Dolezal alert. Even the NYT couldn’t call her black with an editorial straight face.

    • Replies: @Jon
    @Anon


    Dolezal alert
     
    Haha, good call. For thos curious, you can see a video interview of her (and her White cop husband, no less). If she were a sweater color in the J. Cew catalog, she'd be a lot closer to "Oatmeal" than she would "Midnight": https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/us/police-officer-school-principal-minnesota/index.html
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Good call:

    https://news.stthomas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/190821MRB046_004.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason

    , @stillCARealist
    @Anon

    she looks quite mixed to me. In her school photo on the admin page she looks totally white, but when I looked around the internet, her pictures look like an overweight ghetto mom trying to be fashionably white. I know that sounds uncharitable, sorry...

    Also, her bio says she was a teen mom, but nothing about the father of said baby. Let's hope she can help her students avoid the teen pregnancy poverty hole.

    Finally, so much happy talk about high school when nearly all students hate it! Am I alone in remembering day after day of sheer endurance and tolerance? The only saving grace was that it only lasted 4 years. All that rah, rah stuff worked at basketball games, but otherwise was empty.

  68. “Beloved black” – affirmative alliterative action.

  69. Solution: Give the kids a cheap laptop & let them stay home.

    Thanks to the lockdowns, we know they are no dumber “learning” from their couch than if we’d wasted gas on the bus.

    And gas, a friend in the oil racket already told me, will be hovering slightly above ten bucks a gallon in about 18 months. Finally and literally we can no longer afford this relic 0f the age of the 33 cent gallon. Jack Kerouac and his on-the-road is dead, dead, dead.

    • Replies: @jo shmo
    @Franz


    will be hovering slightly above ten bucks a gallon in about 18 months.
     
    hispanics gonna hate that

    they drive a lot for work

    this could be a real death knell for Biden

    Replies: @Franz

  70. Another fake “news” story.

    As Steve and a commenter observed, everything the nyt operative said about “integration” or “segregation” was either a lie or completely twisted, due to disparate impact assumptions. Ditto for her references to “studies.”

    The operative and the principal she profiled are just dripping with racist hatred. Talking to White parents is “demeaning.” Any White parent who permits his child to be bused to this monster’s school is guilty of child abuse. black kids could gang-rape a White girl right in front of her, and she’d deny anything had happened.

    And as Steve noted, there’s no mention of IQ.

    No education scholar today speaks of IQ. Twenty years ago, Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom spoke of IQ in No Excuses, but only to condemn the concept. Sandra Stotsky is one of the only scholars worth a damn, and she doesn’t talk about it, and not talking about it has dire consequences for her conclusions. She maintains that we need to work on supporting non-schooling solutions for black kids, as in more welfare money!

    John Derbyshire speaks of an “empire of lies,” but I think of writing like this—whether posing as scholarship or journalism—as a landfill of lies. It’s lies on top of lies, on top of lies.

    Look at a nyt “thing” that Steve discussed a few weeks ago, about “black capitalism” in Rochester, NY. Already in the first sentence of a long article detailing how White companies spent millions of their firms’ dollars (and went downhill doing so), subsidizing black scams, the writer blamed “racism” for Rochester’s decline. But he didn’t mean the real cause, black supremacism, he meant White people!

  71. Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools, to Calabasas and Agoura Hills in the exurbs, even to Portland eventually. LAUSD has never recovered.

    Is that because the wealthy Jewish parents and later their children are less disposed to agree to support greater non-university public education spending and it has resulted in lower budgets? Because otherwise it seems like the two groups, upper middle class Jews and lower class blacks were already segregated before the busing and so the removal of the Jewish children into a private system should have made LAUSD better off with more money for fewer students. I mean, their problem was the underachieving students which remains not having gotten appreciably worse for the removal of the upper middle class Jewish children whose presence was non-existent for them. I suppose the dropping average of it’s stats would probably have enabled opponents of public schools or their budgets to cudgel them or drop morale among parents even if, from a practical stand, LAUSD hadn’t gotten worse at doing it’s job.

    But as Steve has noted before, that was at a time when the private schools systems weren’t saturated with students who otherwise would have gone to public systems except their parents wanted them safe from ‘diversity’ and suburban housing demand similarly wasn’t saturated with parents trying to do the same. Eventually the non-blacks run out of space and money to run to. Who says things won’t turn out different this time with the non-blacks not being able to escape as easily? The existence of demand doesn’t always mean the provision of supply or at least enough supply.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Altai

    "so the removal of the Jewish children into a private system should have made LAUSD better off with more money for fewer students."

    The LA metro population went from 9 mil in 1975 to 11 mil in 1995. Presumably a large % of those were Mexican immigrants. Whatever jewish students that left were no doubt replaced (and then some) by mestizos.

  72. @Rob McX
    Here we go again. Like Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill, hoping that this time it'll stay put.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Yancey Ward, @Esso

    It’s more like a snowball, actually.

  73. After all, what do blacks need more than having their already stratospheric self-esteem boosted even higher?

    Who’s going to raise white children’s self-esteem? For the last two or three generations, they’ve been taught whites are to blame for everything. Imagine if they were made aware of the genuine achievements of their race, just as blacks are made aware of the (mostly make-believe) achievements of theirs.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Kronos

    Nice of Buzz to send you the photos!

    (And those houses were made of ticky-tacky. My dad got one on the GI Bill. Not a brick in 'em. Good thing Long Island doesn't have tornadoes.)

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    That song is about Daly City, just south of Frisco. Brick houses are a bad idea in earthquake zones. 2×4 and stucco are a lot safer.

    • Agree: Alden
  75. I thought Friestleben was one of the Nordic goodwhites, but she’s half black, half white. Her surname is that of her husband, a retired MPD lieutenant.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Rob McX

    This person "identifies as black"? That's post-worthy on its own.

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    , @Peter Johnson
    @Rob McX

    Her parents were one White (probably at or close to 100% European ancestry) and one Black (who could have been as high as 50% European ancestry). She probably has somewhere in the range 60%-75% European ancestry; maybe as high as 90% based on the photo. She follows the one drop rule in identifying as Black.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Rob McX

    That's a gorgeous table. I want it.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @Rob McX

    Half black, half white? Obama is what half black, half white looks like. There’s a barely detectable hint of the tarbrush on Friestleben.

  76. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    Detroit avoided the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Riots because of black police chief James Craig.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anon
    @J.Ross

    Maybe because Detroit didn't have any stores worth robbing. Do they even have a Louis Vuitton? Maybe because Detroit merchants always lock everything up behind cases? If the Detroit cell phone stores weren't already locking up, they would be stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Bill Jones
    @J.Ross

    Didn't Detroit avoid getting looted because it had been so effectively looted over the past several decades that there's nothing left?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @anarchyst
    @J.Ross

    You are correct.

    One of the first things Chief Craig did was to make a public statement supporting the law-abiding citizens of Detroit, recommending that they arm themselves. He publicly stated that he had no fear of the law-abiding citizenry possessing arms for self-defense.

    This was in contrast to previous police chiefs who actively discouraged the law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms by purposely delaying the handgun "purchase permit" acquisition process, quite often for months.

    That all changed when Chief Craig came on the scene.

  77. I don’t wanna get married
    in a Pet Sematari-iy
    I don’t wanna
    live my life a-gai-i-in

  78. @Rob McX
    I thought Friestleben was one of the Nordic goodwhites, but she's half black, half white. Her surname is that of her husband, a retired MPD lieutenant.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/581f9337893fc0263969bf43/1586283379705-ZARGBO37A06JXYILHLS5/Mauri001.jpg?format=2500w

    Replies: @IHTG, @Peter Johnson, @stillCARealist, @Calvin Hobbes

    This person “identifies as black”? That’s post-worthy on its own.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    @IHTG

    Another Talcum X wanting that Affirmative Action.

  79. You do crack me up with these one-liners, Steve. (You’d make old Ronnie proud!):

    But who can remember what happened four decades ago in an obscure corner of the U.S. that’s never ever on TV?

    That’s why we are living in a golden age of critical thinking.

    LOL!

    What I was impressed with, in a negative way though, were 2 numbers:

    1) 33 miles twice a day on the freaking LA freeways?! With Los Angeles drivers and no seat belts? Between that and the time at school among crowds of black kids , the life expectancy of these kid probably went down significantly.

    2) 4 or 5 grade levels? This is freakin’ hopeless. Yet, there is hope … from those deluded Minneapolis idiot snowflakes.

    Kronos’ picture/video essay says it well and in an entertaining manner. Those older boomers who didn’t trust anyone over 30 y/o are the ones now: “You young people ought to DO SOMETHING! How about school busing? Have you tried that yet? In my day … we worked to end discrimination and we brought justice to the minorities….” “What about misery to millions of White kids, gramps?” “What’s that, sonny, they don’t make these hearing aids like they used to?”

  80. Whenever I read the word “beloved” to describe something that blacks or other exalted minorities are involved with, as in this Times headline, I know that the white writer and editors are trying to snow me into a fuzzy warm stupor. BS, in other words.

  81. @Anonymous

    That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind
     
    Why should LA taxpayers have had to foot the bill for privileged Jewish kids to receive effectively a segregated education?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mike Tre

    Because their parents paid a lot of taxes. And the San Fernando Valley is segregated from the rest of Los Angeles by a mountain range up to a half mile high?

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
  82. This will be fun. The diversity-loving liberals will try it. They’ll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    On a good note, there will be plenty of opportunity for the young, white, female teachers in the public schools to get jobs at the private schools, which will sprout like weeds. I really feel bad for them. They have good hearts. They wanted to help. They thought they could. Now they know.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    White progressive parents are much better than conservative parents at hiding their motivations. White progressives are good at talking about how bad the principal at their local school, that the local school does not offer certain programs, or that their child's friend are now attending a private school.

    White conservatives are open about mentioning race/ethnicity in their motivations. A movement in Alabama for a white suburb to create their own school district was halted in federal court because all of the white parents could not control their language while discussing the movement in social media.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/02/a-bittersweet-victory-for-school-desegregation/554396/

    Replies: @Bill

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    "Tits grabbed in the hallways"?? Try getting gang banged on the bathroom sink.

    , @Justvisiting
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    They’ll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.
     
    The timing will be perfect--another stunningly cold and snowy winter may convince the white parents that the best way to flee the school district is to flee the state for warmer climes.....

    Off topic--sorta--but this is a great new topic for another thread (and this is probably the garbage that will be taught to white kids in the newly integrated schools):

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/cache.salvationarmy.org/e0c074e3-39db-4b09-a6ea-aa5bdb6ecaa6_Let%2527s%2520Talk%2520About...%2520Racism%2520COMPLETE%2520SET.pdf

    The Salvation Army's non-denial denial that they are anti-white racists:

    https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/story/the-salvation-armys-response-to-false-claims-on-the-topic-of-racism/
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    I don't feel bad for them. These are the same people who would have ragged on Southerners and all things Southern back in the desegregation days, because, "those mean, mean people", when they didn't know Jack Squat about it! Screw those snowflakes.

    Oh, and these are the same people that invite in the Somalians cause "they'll catch on soon enough, the poor dears... very nice folks, you betcha!"

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

  83. Why would any parent have reservations about sending their kid to Ms. Friestleben’s school?

    ‘We can’t take it anymore’: Minneapolis principal says city feels out of control after student’s death
    https://minnesotareformer.com/briefs/we-cant-take-it-anymore-minneapolis-principal-says-city-feels-out-of-control-after-students-death/

    Oh.

    • LOL: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @Technite78

    Thanks! That article is hilarious. Here’s this educator lamenting that her kids can’t “work out” because of not being at school. (No mention of any learning issues. Judging from the Great Schools data, there wasn’t much learning going on anyway.)

    QUIOTE:
    “I have kids that so badly and so deeply want to be in school, they want to play their sports, they want to get in the weight room … and guess what? Because of covid, they can’t do anything,” she said. “We’re seeing blocks being taken over. People with substance abuse problems, chemical dependency issues, and they are just allowed to be how they want to be but my kids can’t work out? It doesn’t make any sense, and the kids know it doesn’t make any sense.”

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Technite78

    “I have kids that so badly and so deeply want to be in school, they want to play their sports, they want to get in the weight room"

    It's outrageous how the schools make kids waste 6+ hours, @180d, in the classroom (i.e. held hostage), and make taxpayers cough up ~$19K per kid annually (i.e. pay ransom), just for "allowing" the captives to play sports.

    Although I must begrudgingly admit that the schools do an OK job teaching football, I still want youth sports to be a 100% private affair, e.g. Pop Warner. The price we pay for football and basketball is the cost of the whole, darn, public education system: Sans sports, the kids wouldn't want to show up, and their parents would start voting against school taxes.

    As for the idea, embraced by the blogger et al, that because:

    • non-poor Jewish school parents,
    • in the San Fernando Valley,
    • pay taxes,

    it's therefore no big deal that:

    • their kids can go to
    • not totally crappy,
    • segregated public schools
    • close to home,

    I say that,

    • At least ⅓ of school parents are net tax leeches.
    • Many actual taxpayers prefer that parents pay for private schools.
    • You don't get to choose which policies should govern.

    But, even if the gov grants parents a say in choosing their kids' school, then it should NOT let those same parents have a say in:

    • which kids,
    • of (net tax paying!) parents,
    • who happen to be zoned for totally crappy schools (in/out of SFV),
    • should be excluded

    from those same schools.

    Of course I'm being way too kind to the blogger's special interest group. My experience is that non-poor schoolparents are an arrogant, self-entitled bunch. They are loathe to let the matter be decided in the legislature (where it belongs), and feel that only their voices should count, i.e. they're privileged. To those like me they say, "Shut up and pay your taxes!"

  84. @Anonymous

    That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind
     
    Why should LA taxpayers have had to foot the bill for privileged Jewish kids to receive effectively a segregated education?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mike Tre

    How I abhor this place!
    Its sweet and bitter taste
    Has left me wretched,
    Retching on all fours:
    Los Angeles, I’m yours.

    –Decemberists

  85. @International Jew
    If the idea is to enlist white parents to help with integration, maybe they should encourage fertility. Put up billboard ads with messages like "White people: make more babies!" and "White babies matter!" Yard signs too, of course.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    Yard signs too, of course.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    LOL and Thanks.

  86. “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal

    I know this is very, very, very difficult–ideologically and psychologically–for minoritarians to grasp, but …

    Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad


    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal.
     
    "Research shows ..."

    Translation: "Minoritarian lying follows ..."
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities."

    They will be, and sooner than you think. That's the endgame here: white chattel slavery.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @magilla
    @AnotherDad


    “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.
     
    There it is. Their latest BS is "Family Privilege", ie, your family was smart enough to have kids as a mother and father and worked to support you. You didn't earn that, so it is "privilege".

    The "Day of the (Garage Door Handle)" can't come soon enough.
  87. @AnotherDad

    “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal
     
    I know this is very, very, very difficult--ideologically and psychologically--for minoritarians to grasp, but ...

    Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla

    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal.

    “Research shows …”

    Translation: “Minoritarian lying follows …”

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  88. Well, we haven’t reached the point of literally making it illegal for parents to send their kids to private school at the formers discretion, or move to a different school district to get a better public school. But hope springs eternal. But for what it’s worth not only are there fewer white kids these days, there just aren’t that many kids period. Birth rates among Millennials are nearing European levels of non-reproduction. Two of the trad. elementary schools in my 2nd ring suburb have been repurposed for other uses over the last 10-15 years (one is now an “early childhood” facility, the other I can’t quite remember what they’re doing with it). You don’t see droves of kids on Halloween anymore, that’s been the case for at least 10 years. The birth rate peaked around 1991 and has been declining ever since (with a slight bump in the mid-GW Bush years). Ala Western Europe we’ve seen massive hordes of immigrants replace the crowds of kids. It’s almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on “growth”, regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it’s notorious “aging population” that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.

    The theories about Covid pop. culling don’t really add up to me, because if they wanted to slash population as part of some sort of Leftwing outburst of utopian hubris, they’d either pay Africans to get fixed or flood Africa with non-fecund Asians to displace rabbit-like Africans (and Asians have proven for centuries that they can tolerate all kinds of climates, as North Asian male DNA is everywhere in Asia, whereas Europeans can’t stand warm rainy climates with minor exceptions (e.g. Sicilians are less prone to serious infection from mosquito borne disease). I don’t think the elites really have any idea what the hell they are doing.

    • Agree: El Dato, J.Ross
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Feryl

    Local schools lacking children is a function of the demographics of a neighborhood. It is a sign that a neighborhood has aged out of having school age children. However, many school districts have learned the lesson that closing schools and selling the land is a mistake because eventually the old white people move away and younger families move in and create a demand for more schools.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Feryl

    You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Feryl

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Feryl


    It’s almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on “growth”, regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it’s notorious “aging population” that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.
     
    Growth usually means that I have to plan on moving.
  89. @AnotherDad

    “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal
     
    I know this is very, very, very difficult--ideologically and psychologically--for minoritarians to grasp, but ...

    Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla

    “Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities.”

    They will be, and sooner than you think. That’s the endgame here: white chattel slavery.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    He hits upon the core issue.

    They think they have a right of access to the White Man and all his works.

    This will not end well.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  90. @Veracitor
    Everything old is new again. Left-wing Jewish lawyers suing the State, pretending that variations in neighborhood ethnicity are equivalent to de jure segregation; non-parents demanding busing from the suburbs, even across school-district boundaries, because too few whites live in or near bad (black/brown) neighborhoods; actual black parents who don’t want busing, just better school amenities; actual white parents ditto; lying consultants and expert witnesses who don’t want improved schools, just professional fees which come right out of school budgets for the stuff the students’ parents want; and entirely-false claims that forcing white students into black schools is good for those students.

    I especially liked two parts of the article. One part was the second human-interest bit about the mother whose daughter had been rezoned to the black high school 55 minutes away from her home by car, 30 minutes further than her former HS but now with no bus service because (the article explained) the bus transportation budget had been raided to pay diversity consultants fund more academic classes at the black HS and its peers. All that meaning that white parents were supposed to drive their children back and forth long distances to their new, inferior assigned schools, as if the parents had nothing better to do all day. Remember, you have to multiply each non-bused student’s one-way commute time by 4x to get the parent’s daily time expenditure (to school in the morning with child, return home alone, back to school alone in the afternoon, return home with child).

    The second part I admired due to the diabolically-obscure writing:


    Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.
     
    If you read that very carefully, you can puzzle out that 80% of white students are doing their part to make black and brown students feel good, while only 60% of black and brown students are reciprocating. Or as Steve has explained, the white kids are spread out very thinly to butter all the bread a little.

    Actually, I realize now that I admire one more thing in the article. The straight-out lie (repeated so often that the NYTwit writers probably believe it), first, that integration/desegregation (the article uses both terms within two lines) is beneficial for both black and white students, and second (undermining the first claim) that integration/desegregation merely does not harm the education of white students. A large number of studies have shown that white students suffer a lot, unless the “integration” is sort of fake—tracking or grouping smarter students separately inside a single “school”—in which case the white students suffer only moderately, because of bullying and violence on and near campus perpetrated by black/brown students and their families and acquaintances. Plus the fact that white students lose access to team sports other than water polo.

    Like I imagine Steve does sometimes, I just shake my head ruefully at the “Year Zero” approach to all this. Every single thing described in that article just recaps the stories of a half-century ago (plus/minus of course) and ignores everything learned along the way and since. How tiresome.

    Replies: @Kronos, @houston 1992, @guest007, @Ben tillman

    There is almost no research on the effect on being a white student in a majority black school. No academic’s career would survive even proposing the research, let alone conducting the research.

    As Steve points out, the data from college town public schools does not support the premise that integration helps black achievement. All of the integration academics rely on data from the 1980’s to support their position and refuse to gather new data.

    Also, everyone should remember Millikan V Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that busing children across school district boundaries was unconstitutional. A smart conservatives would also point out that cross political boundary busing is also anti-democratic since it denies the parents the ability to affect their children’s education at the ballot box.

  91. @Anon
    "Ms. Friestleben, a mixed-race woman who identifies as Black..." Dolezal alert. Even the NYT couldn't call her black with an editorial straight face.

    Replies: @Jon, @The Last Real Calvinist, @stillCARealist

    Dolezal alert

    Haha, good call. For thos curious, you can see a video interview of her (and her White cop husband, no less). If she were a sweater color in the J. Cew catalog, she’d be a lot closer to “Oatmeal” than she would “Midnight”: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/27/us/police-officer-school-principal-minnesota/index.html

  92. @Feryl
    Well, we haven't reached the point of literally making it illegal for parents to send their kids to private school at the formers discretion, or move to a different school district to get a better public school. But hope springs eternal. But for what it's worth not only are there fewer white kids these days, there just aren't that many kids period. Birth rates among Millennials are nearing European levels of non-reproduction. Two of the trad. elementary schools in my 2nd ring suburb have been repurposed for other uses over the last 10-15 years (one is now an "early childhood" facility, the other I can't quite remember what they're doing with it). You don't see droves of kids on Halloween anymore, that's been the case for at least 10 years. The birth rate peaked around 1991 and has been declining ever since (with a slight bump in the mid-GW Bush years). Ala Western Europe we've seen massive hordes of immigrants replace the crowds of kids. It's almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on "growth", regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it's notorious "aging population" that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.

    The theories about Covid pop. culling don't really add up to me, because if they wanted to slash population as part of some sort of Leftwing outburst of utopian hubris, they'd either pay Africans to get fixed or flood Africa with non-fecund Asians to displace rabbit-like Africans (and Asians have proven for centuries that they can tolerate all kinds of climates, as North Asian male DNA is everywhere in Asia, whereas Europeans can't stand warm rainy climates with minor exceptions (e.g. Sicilians are less prone to serious infection from mosquito borne disease). I don't think the elites really have any idea what the hell they are doing.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jonathan Mason, @OilcanFloyd

    Local schools lacking children is a function of the demographics of a neighborhood. It is a sign that a neighborhood has aged out of having school age children. However, many school districts have learned the lesson that closing schools and selling the land is a mistake because eventually the old white people move away and younger families move in and create a demand for more schools.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @guest007

    A high school two miles from my Whitopia was closed for a couple of decades, but reopened, and went through two massive expansion programs to accommodate the continually expanding Brown population. I’m not sure if they need to keep expanding though. The newest tidal wave is of kids whose parents average about 4’8” so maybe they can just squeeze their more compact teenagers into the same volume.

    Replies: @Alden

  93. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    This will be fun. The diversity-loving liberals will try it. They'll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    On a good note, there will be plenty of opportunity for the young, white, female teachers in the public schools to get jobs at the private schools, which will sprout like weeds. I really feel bad for them. They have good hearts. They wanted to help. They thought they could. Now they know.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Justvisiting, @Achmed E. Newman

    White progressive parents are much better than conservative parents at hiding their motivations. White progressives are good at talking about how bad the principal at their local school, that the local school does not offer certain programs, or that their child’s friend are now attending a private school.

    White conservatives are open about mentioning race/ethnicity in their motivations. A movement in Alabama for a white suburb to create their own school district was halted in federal court because all of the white parents could not control their language while discussing the movement in social media.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/02/a-bittersweet-victory-for-school-desegregation/554396/

    • Replies: @Bill
    @guest007

    Yes, leftists are liars.

    Replies: @guest007

  94. Let’s go polar bear hunting! When I looked at the Asian test scores it didn’t register until Steve pointed out the Hmong angle. This country can’t even get the fancy kind of Asian?!

    • Replies: @Spect3r
    @Anon

    Why would any decent human being want to move to USA?

  95. A lie remains a lie however often you tell it.

  96. @Anon
    "Ms. Friestleben, a mixed-race woman who identifies as Black..." Dolezal alert. Even the NYT couldn't call her black with an editorial straight face.

    Replies: @Jon, @The Last Real Calvinist, @stillCARealist

    Good call:

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She looks about ready for market to me, seeing as how there are supply chain problems with silage and grains.

    , @Anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Is this thing a Tranny?

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Looks like she identifies as white because she dyes her hair blonde.

    But yes, judging by her facial features she's a very fair-skinned mulata.

    Replies: @International Jew

  97. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    North Carolina isn’t doing too well with the the Seven Sons and Daughters of the Reconstruction that were elected Sheriffs in its major metro counties that are currently Rough Ridin’ With Biden.

  98. @IHTG
    @Rob McX

    This person "identifies as black"? That's post-worthy on its own.

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    Another Talcum X wanting that Affirmative Action.

  99. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    This will be fun. The diversity-loving liberals will try it. They'll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    On a good note, there will be plenty of opportunity for the young, white, female teachers in the public schools to get jobs at the private schools, which will sprout like weeds. I really feel bad for them. They have good hearts. They wanted to help. They thought they could. Now they know.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Justvisiting, @Achmed E. Newman

    “Tits grabbed in the hallways”?? Try getting gang banged on the bathroom sink.

  100. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Good call:

    https://news.stthomas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/190821MRB046_004.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason

    She looks about ready for market to me, seeing as how there are supply chain problems with silage and grains.

  101. Back in the Nineties the Charlotte School Board was still fixed on Sixties Desegregation plans. They wanted all the Schools to have a Seventy/Thirty ratio of White to Black students which was impossible since most Whites had fled to neighbouring counties and S.C., and the City PTB growth plans involved attracting wealthy young urban professionals with no plans for children(wink wink) the system was only 40% white not counting Central American mestizos. There was no way to get to that magical 70/30 ratio.

  102. The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio.

    If someone on the right had written that, they would (probably correctly) be accused of racism. Out of a list of five things that the school has to be proud of, the first two are about decorations, the third actually shows what a piece of crap the school really is (only 3 AP classes, and one is art and design?), and the fourth is about sports at a majority black school. I guess it’s cool that they have a radio station, though.

    [W]hite students test four to five grade levels ahead of Black, Hispanic and Native students

    If they say four to five, it’s probably five for the Black! students. To put that in perspective, that’s the difference between where you were academically as a senior (when you were studying up for the SAT and picking among colleges), and where you were in seventh grade (when you bemoaning the fact the you no longer had recess).

  103. One of the issues with “integrating” schools with more whites in a desperate bid to make them look higher performing is that the white parents are far less passive in making their expectations known to administrators. They then have to try to juggle balancing the demands of parents with higher performing students with the realities of having a lot of low performing kids. Usually they shade things too much towards the latter, the whites leave and we start this entire charade over again.

  104. @Rob McX
    I thought Friestleben was one of the Nordic goodwhites, but she's half black, half white. Her surname is that of her husband, a retired MPD lieutenant.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/581f9337893fc0263969bf43/1586283379705-ZARGBO37A06JXYILHLS5/Mauri001.jpg?format=2500w

    Replies: @IHTG, @Peter Johnson, @stillCARealist, @Calvin Hobbes

    Her parents were one White (probably at or close to 100% European ancestry) and one Black (who could have been as high as 50% European ancestry). She probably has somewhere in the range 60%-75% European ancestry; maybe as high as 90% based on the photo. She follows the one drop rule in identifying as Black.

  105. @Rob McX
    @International Jew

    That's what I was thinking. At the rate things are going, there won't be enough whites to go round, so it's time to start popping more babies to bus to school. Also increase white immigration, and shut the border because there just aren't enough whites to integrate with all these Mestizos and Somalis. What could be more cruel than to send them to schools with no whites and low grades? Get all those Wójciks and Kowalskis to bring their cousins from the home country to Minnesota.

    Replies: @houston 1992, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew

    That is what the regime would be pushing, if the goal of integration really were, as stated, to bestow white goodness onto POCs. Unfortunately, the real goal might be simply to harm white people and white children; this would be more consistent with observed public policy.

  106. “That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools, to Calabasas and Agoura Hills in the exurbs, even to Portland eventually. LAUSD has never recovered.”

    This is a curious statement. I believe it to be accurate, but it’s fairly reasonable to assume that a much larger contingent of white gentiles were affected by the busing, not to mention a significant percentage of Asians as well. I went to a private high school in SF valley, and even in the late 80’s/early 90’s there were lots of south and east Asians. I’d have to refer to my yearbook, but I’d say the Asians made up nearly 20% of my graduating class. Were their reactions inconsequential?

  107. Were my children to be forced into a predominantly black school, my concerns would be more pressing than Spanish and AP.

  108. @Anonymous

    That worked out great in the Los Angeles Unified School District in the late 1970s, when they not only bused blacks like Ice Cube to the San Fernando Valley, but they also took huge numbers of Jewish public school students in the San Fernando Valley and bused them to South-Central.

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind
     
    Why should LA taxpayers have had to foot the bill for privileged Jewish kids to receive effectively a segregated education?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mike Tre

    I’m no great defender of Jews, but WTF would you bus kids 20-30 miles one way to school each day? It’s a 25 mile drive from Canoga Park to LAX (near south central LA). The I405 is the only expressway that gets you from south central to the valley and even in the 80’s the Sepulveda Pass (linking the LA basin with the SF valley) was a parking lot during rush hour.

    It’s a massive waste of students’ time not to mention the tax payer money spent on buying buses, fueling them, maintaining them, and paying bus divers to drive them.

  109. @Altai

    Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools, to Calabasas and Agoura Hills in the exurbs, even to Portland eventually. LAUSD has never recovered.
     
    Is that because the wealthy Jewish parents and later their children are less disposed to agree to support greater non-university public education spending and it has resulted in lower budgets? Because otherwise it seems like the two groups, upper middle class Jews and lower class blacks were already segregated before the busing and so the removal of the Jewish children into a private system should have made LAUSD better off with more money for fewer students. I mean, their problem was the underachieving students which remains not having gotten appreciably worse for the removal of the upper middle class Jewish children whose presence was non-existent for them. I suppose the dropping average of it's stats would probably have enabled opponents of public schools or their budgets to cudgel them or drop morale among parents even if, from a practical stand, LAUSD hadn't gotten worse at doing it's job.

    But as Steve has noted before, that was at a time when the private schools systems weren't saturated with students who otherwise would have gone to public systems except their parents wanted them safe from 'diversity' and suburban housing demand similarly wasn't saturated with parents trying to do the same. Eventually the non-blacks run out of space and money to run to. Who says things won't turn out different this time with the non-blacks not being able to escape as easily? The existence of demand doesn't always mean the provision of supply or at least enough supply.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    “so the removal of the Jewish children into a private system should have made LAUSD better off with more money for fewer students.”

    The LA metro population went from 9 mil in 1975 to 11 mil in 1995. Presumably a large % of those were Mexican immigrants. Whatever jewish students that left were no doubt replaced (and then some) by mestizos.

  110. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Good call:

    https://news.stthomas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/190821MRB046_004.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason

    Is this thing a Tranny?

  111. Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Curle

    Agree - I went from a private school in my earliest years to a large city public school and the behavior and performance of my diverse classmates was impossible to ignore. The frequent fighting, poor self control in the classroom, and the obvious academic deficiencies were on full display day in and day out. I also went to college in a very urban location and from the dorm chatter it was obvious 90% of my classmates had no first hand experience with the blessings of diversity and were struggling with the conflict of what they were supposed to think versus daily existence and the routine dangers of walking home late at night.

    To a large degree, our current moment is a product of millions of people who lived cossetted existences far from actual cultural and economic diversity trying to impose their wished-for version of reality on a world that won't cooperate.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Ed

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @Curle

    Preventing Kid Prejudice: The Sailer (One Point) Plan

    https://vdare.com/articles/preventing-kid-prejudice-the-sailer-one-point-plan

    So, let me unveil my one-point plan for how to keep your kids from disliking blacks and Hispanics:

    1. DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN GET BEATEN UP BY UNDERCLASS MINORITIES.

    , @guest007
    @Curle

    Here is a link to a similar study.

    https://www.the74million.org/exposure-to-desegregated-schools-often-made-whites-less-tolerant-as-adults/

    White kids being exposed to a large number of blacks, many of which are older due to being held back, does nothing improving the attitudes of white kids. I am amazed that such data analysis is allowed at an Ivy League school.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Curle

    "Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD."

    Proof positive of the educational benefits whites gain from busing!

    , @Bill
    @Curle

    I had the same experience, going from naive goodwhite to deranged racist as a result of a desegregated school. Contact Theory (the idea that contact with other ethnicities reduces racism) seems completely insane to me, though most academics seem to believe it.

    The only counterexample I've personally seen is among some military brats, though even there I'm not so sure it's a majority. Their experience with diversity features massively positively selected blacks and negatively selected whites, so at least some of them underestimate racial differences. I'd be curious to see research on this topic.

    Replies: @Moses

  112. White people should DEMAND their own schools and territory as reparations for the holocaust the U.S. government has been waging against them for the last half-century.

  113. @notsaying
    How much contact in class do mostly college bound white students have with kids mostly taking basic math and English (that is what we called those classes; I am sure nobody would call basic courses basic anymore)?

    I do not even understand what is being attempted here because most of the nonwhite kids would not be in the same academic classes as the white kids. Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school? Is this really a social experiment and not an academic one? To see if being together for homeroom, lunch and gym class and some electives like cooking and art makes a difference?

    The principal shows her real thinking here when she thought of what her school had to offer:

    "The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio."

    Everything she is proud of is an external. Nothing about her students themselves is mentioned. No mention of parental interest or support either. That of course is one of the biggest problem: that the parents do not think school and real learning (not just passing) is very important. If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn't that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    This is very depressing. It is not shocking but it is very disheartening. And we are continuing to import poverty. So all those middle class jobs that have disappeared since 2000 snd due to disappear soon wouldn't have anybody to do them anyway in Minneapolis.

    What are we going to do with this younger generation? What will they do when we are gone?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla, @JosephD, @smetana

    Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school?

    In a word, yes. Those kids are supposed to help the staff educate the students who are incapable of learning.

    Their other main functionis to score high on standardized tests. Either way, their future is being sacrificed.

  114. @Redneck farmer
    @Kronos

    They may grow up red-pilled, but they're still going to have BLM signs in their yards. And be "allies".

    Replies: @magilla

    They may grow up red-pilled, but they’re still going to have BLM signs in their yards. And be “allies”.

    Maybe. But I lived through this in PG County Maryland, and if my experience is any guide, the program might as well have been designed by the KKK. Even the few Jewish kids ended up “racist”, and still are after nearly 50 years.

  115. @AnotherDad

    “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    Research shows that de facto school segregation is one major reason that America’s education system is so unequal
     
    I know this is very, very, very difficult--ideologically and psychologically--for minoritarians to grasp, but ...

    Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla

    “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    There it is. Their latest BS is “Family Privilege”, ie, your family was smart enough to have kids as a mother and father and worked to support you. You didn’t earn that, so it is “privilege”.

    The “Day of the (Garage Door Handle)” can’t come soon enough.

  116. The changes included redrawing school zones, including for North. “This plan is saying, everyone is going to be equally inconvenienced because we need to collectively address the underachievement of our students of color,” Mr. Moore added.

    Everyone knows Black children cannot learn unless sitting next to a White child. White children emit magic learning rays.

    Everyone knows that.

  117. @Curle
    Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Calvin Hobbes, @guest007, @Joseph Doaks, @Bill

    Agree – I went from a private school in my earliest years to a large city public school and the behavior and performance of my diverse classmates was impossible to ignore. The frequent fighting, poor self control in the classroom, and the obvious academic deficiencies were on full display day in and day out. I also went to college in a very urban location and from the dorm chatter it was obvious 90% of my classmates had no first hand experience with the blessings of diversity and were struggling with the conflict of what they were supposed to think versus daily existence and the routine dangers of walking home late at night.

    To a large degree, our current moment is a product of millions of people who lived cossetted existences far from actual cultural and economic diversity trying to impose their wished-for version of reality on a world that won’t cooperate.

    • Agree: notsaying, Curle
    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Arclight

    My intro to diversity was the military. The Blackitude was as shocking as the humidity in Georgia to this Californian suburban kid. We turned to the Southerners and big northeastern city recruits for enlightenment. "That's just how Blacks are", they explained.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Ed
    @Arclight

    Vermont probably has the highest per capita of BLM signs in the country.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack P

  118. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    This will be fun. The diversity-loving liberals will try it. They'll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    On a good note, there will be plenty of opportunity for the young, white, female teachers in the public schools to get jobs at the private schools, which will sprout like weeds. I really feel bad for them. They have good hearts. They wanted to help. They thought they could. Now they know.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Justvisiting, @Achmed E. Newman

    They’ll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    The timing will be perfect–another stunningly cold and snowy winter may convince the white parents that the best way to flee the school district is to flee the state for warmer climes…..

    Off topic–sorta–but this is a great new topic for another thread (and this is probably the garbage that will be taught to white kids in the newly integrated schools):

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/cache.salvationarmy.org/e0c074e3-39db-4b09-a6ea-aa5bdb6ecaa6_Let%2527s%2520Talk%2520About…%2520Racism%2520COMPLETE%2520SET.pdf

    The Salvation Army’s non-denial denial that they are anti-white racists:

    https://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/story/the-salvation-armys-response-to-false-claims-on-the-topic-of-racism/

  119. @Curle
    Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Calvin Hobbes, @guest007, @Joseph Doaks, @Bill

    Preventing Kid Prejudice: The Sailer (One Point) Plan

    https://vdare.com/articles/preventing-kid-prejudice-the-sailer-one-point-plan

    So, let me unveil my one-point plan for how to keep your kids from disliking blacks and Hispanics:

    1. DON’T LET YOUR CHILDREN GET BEATEN UP BY UNDERCLASS MINORITIES.

  120. A few years ago Minneapolis North High school was on the ropes, ready to close. No no no! It had do many good memories for the folks. So it remained open, lots of \$\$\$ were spent. How did that work out?

  121. I have a hard time getting worked up about northern liberals getting a dose of what they demand for more vibrant areas of the country. Schadenfreude probably best describes what many people in the South feel when they see these people getting what they demand of others.

  122. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief?

    Virtue signaling by the mayor and city council so they feel good about themselves. Every time the SHTF between black thugs and usually white police the answer seems to be a negro police chief.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @KenH


    Virtue signaling by the mayor and city council so they feel good about themselves. Every time the SHTF between black thugs and usually white police the answer seems to be a negro police chief.
     
    Police chief is the ultimate high-testosterone bureaucrat job, outside the armed forces.

    Also, remember that the chief's main responsibility in most cities is to keep the mayor and/or city council happy. Public order is a secondary concern.
  123. @Anon
    "Ms. Friestleben, a mixed-race woman who identifies as Black..." Dolezal alert. Even the NYT couldn't call her black with an editorial straight face.

    Replies: @Jon, @The Last Real Calvinist, @stillCARealist

    she looks quite mixed to me. In her school photo on the admin page she looks totally white, but when I looked around the internet, her pictures look like an overweight ghetto mom trying to be fashionably white. I know that sounds uncharitable, sorry…

    Also, her bio says she was a teen mom, but nothing about the father of said baby. Let’s hope she can help her students avoid the teen pregnancy poverty hole.

    Finally, so much happy talk about high school when nearly all students hate it! Am I alone in remembering day after day of sheer endurance and tolerance? The only saving grace was that it only lasted 4 years. All that rah, rah stuff worked at basketball games, but otherwise was empty.

  124. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Anon

    Good call:

    https://news.stthomas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/190821MRB046_004.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason

    Looks like she identifies as white because she dyes her hair blonde.

    But yes, judging by her facial features she’s a very fair-skinned mulata.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason

    The article says she has a white mother and a black father, and that she herself identifies as black. As indeed she'd have to be crazy not to.

    Replies: @prosa123

  125. North Minneapolis used to be Jewish/eastern European, then came the Great Migration and the 1960s black riots drove out Jews, followed by decades of decline. It’s geographically excellent – close to downty, close to freeway job corridors, great access, nice parks, great views, Mississippi river parks and Worth Park, the biggest in Minneapolis. A small slice of the population ruins it for everyone else, and wokeness protects that small slice from cops and standards that would drive it out. It’s sad, but predictable. Probably it’ll have to bottom out.
    Minnesota has huge racial disparities because a huge proportion of its blacks are Somalis, who (for many) lack language, cultural and economic assets to succeed. Ilhan Omar is seen as smart in that group.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    @Prometheus Martel

    "Probably it’ll have to bottom out."
    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  126. @Feryl
    Well, we haven't reached the point of literally making it illegal for parents to send their kids to private school at the formers discretion, or move to a different school district to get a better public school. But hope springs eternal. But for what it's worth not only are there fewer white kids these days, there just aren't that many kids period. Birth rates among Millennials are nearing European levels of non-reproduction. Two of the trad. elementary schools in my 2nd ring suburb have been repurposed for other uses over the last 10-15 years (one is now an "early childhood" facility, the other I can't quite remember what they're doing with it). You don't see droves of kids on Halloween anymore, that's been the case for at least 10 years. The birth rate peaked around 1991 and has been declining ever since (with a slight bump in the mid-GW Bush years). Ala Western Europe we've seen massive hordes of immigrants replace the crowds of kids. It's almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on "growth", regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it's notorious "aging population" that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.

    The theories about Covid pop. culling don't really add up to me, because if they wanted to slash population as part of some sort of Leftwing outburst of utopian hubris, they'd either pay Africans to get fixed or flood Africa with non-fecund Asians to displace rabbit-like Africans (and Asians have proven for centuries that they can tolerate all kinds of climates, as North Asian male DNA is everywhere in Asia, whereas Europeans can't stand warm rainy climates with minor exceptions (e.g. Sicilians are less prone to serious infection from mosquito borne disease). I don't think the elites really have any idea what the hell they are doing.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jonathan Mason, @OilcanFloyd

    You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    How are welfare leeches who don't work and violent criminals supposed to do that?

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    'You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.'

    What did you have in mind for an upper limit?

    Your logic here is identical to somebody who makes five thousand a month and spends six thousand -- and reasons that therefor he needs to seek a higher credit limit on his Visa card.

    , @Feryl
    @Jonathan Mason

    An evergrowing population is obviously disastrous for the environment, but it's also not good for the average (younger) person either, as it leads to too much competition for scarce resources and immense amounts of stress at having to cope with the burden of fending off the hordes. In America, the generation born in the 1930's was much smaller than surrounding generations and has reaped the benefits of that their whole lives. Countries with aging populations have drastically slowed birth rates because we (non-Africans) are biologically and mentally attuned to say "enough" in light of increasingly scarce resources. The 1970's is when birth rates crashed because people felt (accurately) that our carrying capacity was full. The birth rate peaked in 1958, and within 12 years people must've been considering just what effect this would have on the overall quality of life, the job market etc. of society. And sure enough, the latest Boomers have had life long struggles with financial, physical, and mental health compared to older generations due to the extreme competitive pressures of being in such a large generation.

    WRT to funding programs for oldsters, well, guess what? People have been retiring later, and there's now quite serious discussion about how to get the most out of aging workers. If you plan on living that long, take care of yourself. In addition, local civic groups like churches can always take care of the needy and vulnerable. The Greatest Generation set the Big Gov. social welfare machine in motion and fed outlays to the elderly have been increasing ever since the 1950's (indeed,it used to be that the elderly were impoverished and youth was prioritized, that's been reversed over the last 70 years). We need to have a reset and localize things again.. To the credit of Boomers they correctly saw that these programs never really made sense in light of increasing longevity and their own generation's size. Back in the 80's elderly entitlements were called a "third rail", but that stigma has been declining with Boomers more determined to stay in the workforce than older generations, and more comfortable with relying on family and local institutions to take care of them instead of getting rescued by Uncle Sam.

  127. @Rob McX
    I thought Friestleben was one of the Nordic goodwhites, but she's half black, half white. Her surname is that of her husband, a retired MPD lieutenant.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/581f9337893fc0263969bf43/1586283379705-ZARGBO37A06JXYILHLS5/Mauri001.jpg?format=2500w

    Replies: @IHTG, @Peter Johnson, @stillCARealist, @Calvin Hobbes

    That’s a gorgeous table. I want it.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @stillCARealist

    See: Brown and blond can work harmoniously.

  128. @Curle
    Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Calvin Hobbes, @guest007, @Joseph Doaks, @Bill

    Here is a link to a similar study.

    https://www.the74million.org/exposure-to-desegregated-schools-often-made-whites-less-tolerant-as-adults/

    White kids being exposed to a large number of blacks, many of which are older due to being held back, does nothing improving the attitudes of white kids. I am amazed that such data analysis is allowed at an Ivy League school.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @Curle
    @guest007

    The study uses terminology ‘lowered tolerance’ as a substitute for ‘confirmed prejudices.’

  129. No academic today is going to conduct a study that has the option of actually showing harm to white students. The studies they actually report on are statistical analyses that don’t control for equivalent populations in the control group and the treated group. In other words, to say that busing doesn’t hurt white students, you have to take equivalent groups of white students, bus one and not the other, and show there are no differences in outcome. Good luck on getting such a study funded or approved.

    In point of fact, black students in the segregated era were considerably better than black schools today. They were run by black principals (probably male) who exerted unquestioned authority and were quick to dole out corporal punishment. A few white students in such a school would likely be quite safe. Blacks and whites, as populations, have different learning styles. Trying to mix the two styles gives a learning environment good for nobody.

    Busing, like BLM, transgenderism, and feminism, is a strategy for deconstructing society as we know it. If black parents are able to live in a white neighborhood without government assistance, the likelihood is, their children would benefit from attending the local (primarily white) school. Catholic schools successfully mix black and white students, whose common denominator is the willingness of the parents to sacrifice to give their children the best education.

  130. Even in academic studies about school segregation, one does not get a good definition. the standard used to be that a school had every different demographics that the overall district. Now it seems to be that an all black school can be called segregated even if the local neighborhood is all black.

    https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/nyc-school-segregation-report-card-still-last-action-needed-now/ES-from-NYC_6-09-final-for-post.pdf

  131. @Enemy of Earth
    @Paperback Writer

    I have never seen such a large collection of self-loathing White folks than I have since moving up here. It is truly pathetic.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    As H.L. Mencken said, “Democracy is giving people what they want – good and hard.”

    Look at California. Carjackings at red lights, open theft in restaurants.

    Shrug.

    PS You live in Minnesota? Tell us stories.

  132. The surprising thing is that more whites are not emigrating from the US.

    There is lots of space in South America, and anybody who has a house in the US to sell, or a bit of inherited money, could do very well by relocating and enjoying a 1950s lifestyle.

    Since the introduction of the internet a generation ago, there has been a great deal of leveling up between countries, so that you can hardly tell the difference much of the time.

    Here in Ecuador we have shopping malls, beaches, indoor heated swimming pools, high-speed internet to the curbside, KFC, and no vaccine reluctance. Life is the same as in the US without all the Karens, and no one is busing white kids to indigenous areas for school.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Jonathan Mason

    I highly recommend reading Frederick Jackson Turner. Eventually anywhere we go will have the same stagnant problems we have now.


    Today Ecuador is part of the American frontier, tomorrow it will be full of Americans voting for the same crap policies that ruined us. See Colorado, now full of former Californians, as an example.


    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @guest007
    @Jonathan Mason

    Ecuador has a homicide rate than is four times what it is in the U.S. but does have a much lower reported rape rate.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Ecuador/United-States/Crime

    , @Curle
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard Uruguay is the place to go.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @AndrewR

  133. @Curle
    Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Calvin Hobbes, @guest007, @Joseph Doaks, @Bill

    “Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.”

    Proof positive of the educational benefits whites gain from busing!

  134. As regards schooling & blacks …. Jews have a cognitive dissonance, but they learn. Nordic whites have cognitive dissonance & they don’t learn.

    Most other Europeans, statistically, don’t have cognitive dissonance.

  135. @Feryl
    Well, we haven't reached the point of literally making it illegal for parents to send their kids to private school at the formers discretion, or move to a different school district to get a better public school. But hope springs eternal. But for what it's worth not only are there fewer white kids these days, there just aren't that many kids period. Birth rates among Millennials are nearing European levels of non-reproduction. Two of the trad. elementary schools in my 2nd ring suburb have been repurposed for other uses over the last 10-15 years (one is now an "early childhood" facility, the other I can't quite remember what they're doing with it). You don't see droves of kids on Halloween anymore, that's been the case for at least 10 years. The birth rate peaked around 1991 and has been declining ever since (with a slight bump in the mid-GW Bush years). Ala Western Europe we've seen massive hordes of immigrants replace the crowds of kids. It's almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on "growth", regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it's notorious "aging population" that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.

    The theories about Covid pop. culling don't really add up to me, because if they wanted to slash population as part of some sort of Leftwing outburst of utopian hubris, they'd either pay Africans to get fixed or flood Africa with non-fecund Asians to displace rabbit-like Africans (and Asians have proven for centuries that they can tolerate all kinds of climates, as North Asian male DNA is everywhere in Asia, whereas Europeans can't stand warm rainy climates with minor exceptions (e.g. Sicilians are less prone to serious infection from mosquito borne disease). I don't think the elites really have any idea what the hell they are doing.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jonathan Mason, @OilcanFloyd

    It’s almost as if the elites of the Western world cannot envision a culture that is not premised on “growth”, regardless of the fact that a country like Japan has not crumbled into dust with it’s notorious “aging population” that the Western media has been whining about for 30 years.

    Growth usually means that I have to plan on moving.

  136. The way to do this now is to have white kids enroll as virtual students. It’s a win-win. The school demographics change instantly with no busing. Just sprinkle them around evenly to the more diverse ( actually homogeneous) schools. Heck, they could add students from North Dakota this way if there aren’t enough local ones.

    We have a local school bus driver shortage which I guess is national. They pay parents to drive their kids to school. How will this busing plan work?

    What will they do 10 years from now when white students are only 40% of school age children?

  137. @Jonathan Mason
    The surprising thing is that more whites are not emigrating from the US.

    There is lots of space in South America, and anybody who has a house in the US to sell, or a bit of inherited money, could do very well by relocating and enjoying a 1950s lifestyle.

    Since the introduction of the internet a generation ago, there has been a great deal of leveling up between countries, so that you can hardly tell the difference much of the time.

    Here in Ecuador we have shopping malls, beaches, indoor heated swimming pools, high-speed internet to the curbside, KFC, and no vaccine reluctance. Life is the same as in the US without all the Karens, and no one is busing white kids to indigenous areas for school.

    Replies: @Thea, @guest007, @Curle

    I highly recommend reading Frederick Jackson Turner. Eventually anywhere we go will have the same stagnant problems we have now.

    Today Ecuador is part of the American frontier, tomorrow it will be full of Americans voting for the same crap policies that ruined us. See Colorado, now full of former Californians, as an example.

    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Thea


    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.
     
    Noble sentiments, but your kids are as screwed as the lower deck passengers on the Titanic. The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  138. @Technite78
    Why would any parent have reservations about sending their kid to Ms. Friestleben's school?

    ‘We can’t take it anymore’: Minneapolis principal says city feels out of control after student’s death
    https://minnesotareformer.com/briefs/we-cant-take-it-anymore-minneapolis-principal-says-city-feels-out-of-control-after-students-death/

    Oh.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Abolish_public_education

    Thanks! That article is hilarious. Here’s this educator lamenting that her kids can’t “work out” because of not being at school. (No mention of any learning issues. Judging from the Great Schools data, there wasn’t much learning going on anyway.)

    QUIOTE:
    “I have kids that so badly and so deeply want to be in school, they want to play their sports, they want to get in the weight room … and guess what? Because of covid, they can’t do anything,” she said. “We’re seeing blocks being taken over. People with substance abuse problems, chemical dependency issues, and they are just allowed to be how they want to be but my kids can’t work out? It doesn’t make any sense, and the kids know it doesn’t make any sense.”

  139. “At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.”

    That should do it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Currahee

    Shouldn’t the parents tell their children the parents love them? Ooops forgot. Black mammas regard the kids as tickets to section 8 abd welfare. Black dads were only around for conception.

    How many billions and billions are spent every year for teachers cops social workers special programs because blacks are incapable of raising their own kids?

  140. “The smallest gaps are in Republican exurbs like Frisco, TX.”

    Hey iSteve, they figured out how to fix the racial gap in Frisco Tx. Answer: Section 8. Bet you didn’t see that coming.

    Comedian and political commentator John Oliver spotlights Frisco in recent homelessness episode

    In a recent ‘Last Week Tonight with John Oliver’ episode, a map of Texas appeared with a marking over Frisco, as Oliver discussed a resident’s opposition to Section 8 vouchers.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/11/18/comedian-and-political-commentator-john-oliver-spotlights-frisco-in-recent-homelessness-episode/

  141. Spin those wheels!

    They’ll do just about anything but the obvious: sequester the bad kids in detention centers run by the Sheriff, have total immersion bootcamps for students who are not proficient in English, concentrate agreeable students with severe learning problems in schools so dedicated, extend the school year to 240 days, track students vigorously, expand the manpower devoted to vocational-technical courses from 6% of all high school faculty to about 35%, shut the extant ‘schools of education’ and limit teaching certificate programs to a short menu of methods courses followed by an internship and stipended apprenticeship; have transparent compensation programs for school employees, which include financing retirement programs and fringes strictly from withholdings; end collective bargaining and limit the role of teacher’s unions to voluntary mutual aid functions e.g.having labor lawyers on retainer; require secondary teachers be subject-trained; end federal aid to local primary and secondary schools bar odds-and-ends like disaster relief; end state aid to primary and secondary schools other than unrestricted grants distributed according to formulae.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Art Deco

    "They’ll do just about anything but the obvious"

    What an excellent program --- should be the agenda of every Republican running for state office!

    , @JMcG
    @Art Deco

    Art, you’re one of the few that’s thought all the way through to solutions that are at least within the realm of possibility. Like all the other solutions, they won’t result in equality of outcome, but the results would be far, far better for everyone than the sick joke under which we currently live.
    Thanks.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they're running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

    , @AnotherDad
    @Art Deco

    Art--

    You're a smart guy, so those are quite reasonable reforms. (Though i don't think we need 240 schools days--particularly for younger kids. Kids enjoy vacations and education doesn't have to be an Asian grind to get the job done.)

    But what's the point? The way you actually get excellence is not some public sector reform bullet list, it's competition. Cutting parents and children loose to pick an option that works for them--which in turn cuts actually interested teachers loose to design schools and programs that work.

    For example, you're mostly talking about your reforms to the Fordist--herd them all into class and let the teacher lecture them--model. Now we've got the Internet and computers. Most of the Fordist model is unnecessary/inefficient/ridiculous--plus sub-optimal for boys. Let people design programs that leverage computer information/instruction and then do in person for hands on or face-to-face skills--wood shop to drama, public speaking to sports.

    I don't know the answers. But that's the point. There isn't one "right answer". Market competition can provide many "answers". And--almost as good--destroy this dinosaur of arrogant, entitled, public-sector bully-girls indoctrinating school kids and hectoring American parents.

  142. @Rob McX
    I thought Friestleben was one of the Nordic goodwhites, but she's half black, half white. Her surname is that of her husband, a retired MPD lieutenant.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/581f9337893fc0263969bf43/1586283379705-ZARGBO37A06JXYILHLS5/Mauri001.jpg?format=2500w

    Replies: @IHTG, @Peter Johnson, @stillCARealist, @Calvin Hobbes

    Half black, half white? Obama is what half black, half white looks like. There’s a barely detectable hint of the tarbrush on Friestleben.

  143. @Jonathan Mason
    The surprising thing is that more whites are not emigrating from the US.

    There is lots of space in South America, and anybody who has a house in the US to sell, or a bit of inherited money, could do very well by relocating and enjoying a 1950s lifestyle.

    Since the introduction of the internet a generation ago, there has been a great deal of leveling up between countries, so that you can hardly tell the difference much of the time.

    Here in Ecuador we have shopping malls, beaches, indoor heated swimming pools, high-speed internet to the curbside, KFC, and no vaccine reluctance. Life is the same as in the US without all the Karens, and no one is busing white kids to indigenous areas for school.

    Replies: @Thea, @guest007, @Curle

    Ecuador has a homicide rate than is four times what it is in the U.S. but does have a much lower reported rape rate.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Ecuador/United-States/Crime

  144. @Jonathan Mason
    @Feryl

    You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Feryl

    How are welfare leeches who don’t work and violent criminals supposed to do that?

  145. I love the use of the word “Asked” in the headline.

    Yes, parents are being “asked” as in “your kids have been reassigned to a different school. Deal with it.”

  146. @Art Deco
    Spin those wheels!

    They'll do just about anything but the obvious: sequester the bad kids in detention centers run by the Sheriff, have total immersion bootcamps for students who are not proficient in English, concentrate agreeable students with severe learning problems in schools so dedicated, extend the school year to 240 days, track students vigorously, expand the manpower devoted to vocational-technical courses from 6% of all high school faculty to about 35%, shut the extant 'schools of education' and limit teaching certificate programs to a short menu of methods courses followed by an internship and stipended apprenticeship; have transparent compensation programs for school employees, which include financing retirement programs and fringes strictly from withholdings; end collective bargaining and limit the role of teacher's unions to voluntary mutual aid functions e.g.having labor lawyers on retainer; require secondary teachers be subject-trained; end federal aid to local primary and secondary schools bar odds-and-ends like disaster relief; end state aid to primary and secondary schools other than unrestricted grants distributed according to formulae.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @JMcG, @The Anti-Gnostic, @AnotherDad

    “They’ll do just about anything but the obvious”

    What an excellent program — should be the agenda of every Republican running for state office!

  147. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    This will be fun. The diversity-loving liberals will try it. They'll stop trying it when their boys start coming home with black eyes and their girls start telling tales of having their tits grabbed in the hallways. It will take about a month.

    On a good note, there will be plenty of opportunity for the young, white, female teachers in the public schools to get jobs at the private schools, which will sprout like weeds. I really feel bad for them. They have good hearts. They wanted to help. They thought they could. Now they know.

    Replies: @guest007, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Justvisiting, @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t feel bad for them. These are the same people who would have ragged on Southerners and all things Southern back in the desegregation days, because, “those mean, mean people”, when they didn’t know Jack Squat about it! Screw those snowflakes.

    Oh, and these are the same people that invite in the Somalians cause “they’ll catch on soon enough, the poor dears… very nice folks, you betcha!”

    • Agree: OilcanFloyd
    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That point's not entirely invalid.

  148. @Jonathan Mason
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Looks like she identifies as white because she dyes her hair blonde.

    But yes, judging by her facial features she's a very fair-skinned mulata.

    Replies: @International Jew

    The article says she has a white mother and a black father, and that she herself identifies as black. As indeed she’d have to be crazy not to.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @International Jew

    I can see Friestleben's black ancestry, but it's definitely not dominant. My guess is that her father was himself mixed race and therefore she's about one-quarter black. She probably could pass herself off as Native American if she wanted, though not as white.
    Her husband, a retired police officer, is white.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  149. @Mike Tre
    "For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? "

    10% for schools, neighborhoods, work force, cities, the population of the country, pretty much anything other than a pro basketball team.

    More than that, and it's ghetto glamorization time, baby.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @anon

    I don’t even think the basketball team is safe.

    My random searches among Youtube videos found a documentary about the season of one of the NFL teams(don’t know which one but it was a new docu) and it was blatantly obvious that the white and black players were segregated.

  150. @Jonathan Mason
    The surprising thing is that more whites are not emigrating from the US.

    There is lots of space in South America, and anybody who has a house in the US to sell, or a bit of inherited money, could do very well by relocating and enjoying a 1950s lifestyle.

    Since the introduction of the internet a generation ago, there has been a great deal of leveling up between countries, so that you can hardly tell the difference much of the time.

    Here in Ecuador we have shopping malls, beaches, indoor heated swimming pools, high-speed internet to the curbside, KFC, and no vaccine reluctance. Life is the same as in the US without all the Karens, and no one is busing white kids to indigenous areas for school.

    Replies: @Thea, @guest007, @Curle

    I’ve heard Uruguay is the place to go.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Curle

    Uruguay has got damned good demographics - nearly 90% White (Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc.) However, Mr. Mason's main squeeze is Ecuadorian, so, good luck getting her across the Andes ... wait, how do you make that whipping sound with letters again?

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Curle

    I believe Uruguay is very nice. A bit more pricey than some parts of South America but still very affordable. You can probably get a modern ranch house on 12 acres in the hills with an infinity pool for less than the cost of a California condo. Has an excellent climate, nice beaches, low crime rate, only 3.5 million people in an area significantly larger than Florida,

    See, you can't make America (USA dept.) great again. When was it last great? Probably before the interstate highways were built and the land all covered with parking lots and suburbs.

    This was when America was great, when you could go to Las Vegas and see Frank Sinatra singing with the Count Basie band. It won't come back. 1966 was a very good year, but the best was not yet to come. It had been and gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBkup6xK_64

    Go south, young man!

    , @AndrewR
    @Curle

    Uruguay is wonderful, and I hear great things about Costa Rica

  151. @AndrewR
    @Paperback Writer

    Muh red states

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I said make it redder. Did you read that?

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Paperback Writer

    That's what he was reacting to. More Republicans is not going to help.

  152. @Art Deco
    Spin those wheels!

    They'll do just about anything but the obvious: sequester the bad kids in detention centers run by the Sheriff, have total immersion bootcamps for students who are not proficient in English, concentrate agreeable students with severe learning problems in schools so dedicated, extend the school year to 240 days, track students vigorously, expand the manpower devoted to vocational-technical courses from 6% of all high school faculty to about 35%, shut the extant 'schools of education' and limit teaching certificate programs to a short menu of methods courses followed by an internship and stipended apprenticeship; have transparent compensation programs for school employees, which include financing retirement programs and fringes strictly from withholdings; end collective bargaining and limit the role of teacher's unions to voluntary mutual aid functions e.g.having labor lawyers on retainer; require secondary teachers be subject-trained; end federal aid to local primary and secondary schools bar odds-and-ends like disaster relief; end state aid to primary and secondary schools other than unrestricted grants distributed according to formulae.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @JMcG, @The Anti-Gnostic, @AnotherDad

    Art, you’re one of the few that’s thought all the way through to solutions that are at least within the realm of possibility. Like all the other solutions, they won’t result in equality of outcome, but the results would be far, far better for everyone than the sick joke under which we currently live.
    Thanks.

  153. Ya know, I think if I were black I would be thrilled by the idea of low performing black children driving white children out of free public schools and into hugely expensive private schools that white parents have to pay for entirely out of their own pockets, even as those same parents continue to subsidize the education of black children with their tax dollars. What an excellent way to depress the birthrate of the hated oppressor!

    • Agree: Alden
  154. ‘The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio….

    It all sounds like the integrated high school my son attended. Looked mighty fine, but…

    You can spend all the money you like — if enough of the students are black, it’s going to be a piece of crap.

  155. @Art Deco
    Spin those wheels!

    They'll do just about anything but the obvious: sequester the bad kids in detention centers run by the Sheriff, have total immersion bootcamps for students who are not proficient in English, concentrate agreeable students with severe learning problems in schools so dedicated, extend the school year to 240 days, track students vigorously, expand the manpower devoted to vocational-technical courses from 6% of all high school faculty to about 35%, shut the extant 'schools of education' and limit teaching certificate programs to a short menu of methods courses followed by an internship and stipended apprenticeship; have transparent compensation programs for school employees, which include financing retirement programs and fringes strictly from withholdings; end collective bargaining and limit the role of teacher's unions to voluntary mutual aid functions e.g.having labor lawyers on retainer; require secondary teachers be subject-trained; end federal aid to local primary and secondary schools bar odds-and-ends like disaster relief; end state aid to primary and secondary schools other than unrestricted grants distributed according to formulae.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @JMcG, @The Anti-Gnostic, @AnotherDad

    You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they’re running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    'You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they’re running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.'


    There's another difference when it comes to blacks. Other races, you may have to fight if you want to compete for alpha male -- but if you don't want to challenge for the part, you'll usually be left alone.

    Blacks, though, enjoy preying on helpless victims -- so if you're around blacks, you have either be big, or make it clear that you will fight.

    They're a pain in the ass. You'd have to be off your nut to want to be around them.

    , @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts.

    Your particular fixations are of no interest.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon

  156. @Jonathan Mason
    @Feryl

    You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Feryl

    ‘You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.’

    What did you have in mind for an upper limit?

    Your logic here is identical to somebody who makes five thousand a month and spends six thousand — and reasons that therefor he needs to seek a higher credit limit on his Visa card.

  157. @notsaying
    How much contact in class do mostly college bound white students have with kids mostly taking basic math and English (that is what we called those classes; I am sure nobody would call basic courses basic anymore)?

    I do not even understand what is being attempted here because most of the nonwhite kids would not be in the same academic classes as the white kids. Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school? Is this really a social experiment and not an academic one? To see if being together for homeroom, lunch and gym class and some electives like cooking and art makes a difference?

    The principal shows her real thinking here when she thought of what her school had to offer:

    "The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio."

    Everything she is proud of is an external. Nothing about her students themselves is mentioned. No mention of parental interest or support either. That of course is one of the biggest problem: that the parents do not think school and real learning (not just passing) is very important. If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn't that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    This is very depressing. It is not shocking but it is very disheartening. And we are continuing to import poverty. So all those middle class jobs that have disappeared since 2000 snd due to disappear soon wouldn't have anybody to do them anyway in Minneapolis.

    What are we going to do with this younger generation? What will they do when we are gone?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla, @JosephD, @smetana

    Not all classes are as closely tracked as math. For example, there can be a mix of students in history classes in 9th and 10th grades. English and foreign language classes may also be untracked in those grades. So there could be a moderate amount of mixing before 11th and 12th grades.

    If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    I think calling students functioning at grade level 5 to 8 as functional illiterates is rather harsh. Not STEM or management material, certainly.

    • Replies: @Carol
    @JosephD

    From reading r/Teachers for a few years now, I think it's more likely the Young Scholars are stuck at grade two, and don't care to progress beyond that.

    The poor SJW saps at Reddit never mention race, of course. But it's pretty obvious with euphemisms like "urban" and "Title 1." And the students routinely call the nice white lady teachers bitches and ho's.

  158. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they're running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

    ‘You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they’re running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.’

    There’s another difference when it comes to blacks. Other races, you may have to fight if you want to compete for alpha male — but if you don’t want to challenge for the part, you’ll usually be left alone.

    Blacks, though, enjoy preying on helpless victims — so if you’re around blacks, you have either be big, or make it clear that you will fight.

    They’re a pain in the ass. You’d have to be off your nut to want to be around them.

  159. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You could have all that, and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts. Parents want to let their guard down and relax with people like them while they're running the concession stand on Friday night, and kids want to go to school with their friends.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

    and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts.

    Your particular fixations are of no interest.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    The "problem" for the Minneapolis school system is not black delinquency; the problem from their perspective is whites are leaving the public school system.

    White parents are not going to keep their kids in majority-black or latino schools no matter how many special-ed referrals or study halls they have. Han, Japanese, Korean and Hindu parents won't keep their kids in majority black or latino schools either.

    Remote work and home-schooling are accelerating white (and Asian) flight.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    Your particular fixations are of no interest.
     
    Says the man with particular fixations.

    Your recommendations are of no interest. Do you have any power? Any influence? No. You are a nobody. You can issue edicts all day from your perch at the library reference desk. It doesn't matter what you say. If those things could be done, politically, they would have been done.

    You make the mistake of assuming that the system can or ought to be saved. It can't and, at this point, it shouldn't be. People are trying to figure out how to cobble together something out of the ashes.

  160. @Art Deco
    Spin those wheels!

    They'll do just about anything but the obvious: sequester the bad kids in detention centers run by the Sheriff, have total immersion bootcamps for students who are not proficient in English, concentrate agreeable students with severe learning problems in schools so dedicated, extend the school year to 240 days, track students vigorously, expand the manpower devoted to vocational-technical courses from 6% of all high school faculty to about 35%, shut the extant 'schools of education' and limit teaching certificate programs to a short menu of methods courses followed by an internship and stipended apprenticeship; have transparent compensation programs for school employees, which include financing retirement programs and fringes strictly from withholdings; end collective bargaining and limit the role of teacher's unions to voluntary mutual aid functions e.g.having labor lawyers on retainer; require secondary teachers be subject-trained; end federal aid to local primary and secondary schools bar odds-and-ends like disaster relief; end state aid to primary and secondary schools other than unrestricted grants distributed according to formulae.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @JMcG, @The Anti-Gnostic, @AnotherDad

    Art–

    You’re a smart guy, so those are quite reasonable reforms. (Though i don’t think we need 240 schools days–particularly for younger kids. Kids enjoy vacations and education doesn’t have to be an Asian grind to get the job done.)

    But what’s the point? The way you actually get excellence is not some public sector reform bullet list, it’s competition. Cutting parents and children loose to pick an option that works for them–which in turn cuts actually interested teachers loose to design schools and programs that work.

    For example, you’re mostly talking about your reforms to the Fordist–herd them all into class and let the teacher lecture them–model. Now we’ve got the Internet and computers. Most of the Fordist model is unnecessary/inefficient/ridiculous–plus sub-optimal for boys. Let people design programs that leverage computer information/instruction and then do in person for hands on or face-to-face skills–wood shop to drama, public speaking to sports.

    I don’t know the answers. But that’s the point. There isn’t one “right answer”. Market competition can provide many “answers”. And–almost as good–destroy this dinosaur of arrogant, entitled, public-sector bully-girls indoctrinating school kids and hectoring American parents.

  161. Forcing non-Whites to attend majority-black skoos is child abuse.

  162. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts.

    Your particular fixations are of no interest.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon

    The “problem” for the Minneapolis school system is not black delinquency; the problem from their perspective is whites are leaving the public school system.

    White parents are not going to keep their kids in majority-black or latino schools no matter how many special-ed referrals or study halls they have. Han, Japanese, Korean and Hindu parents won’t keep their kids in majority black or latino schools either.

    Remote work and home-schooling are accelerating white (and Asian) flight.

  163. Holy crap, worst than ChiTown.

  164. @Veracitor
    Everything old is new again. Left-wing Jewish lawyers suing the State, pretending that variations in neighborhood ethnicity are equivalent to de jure segregation; non-parents demanding busing from the suburbs, even across school-district boundaries, because too few whites live in or near bad (black/brown) neighborhoods; actual black parents who don’t want busing, just better school amenities; actual white parents ditto; lying consultants and expert witnesses who don’t want improved schools, just professional fees which come right out of school budgets for the stuff the students’ parents want; and entirely-false claims that forcing white students into black schools is good for those students.

    I especially liked two parts of the article. One part was the second human-interest bit about the mother whose daughter had been rezoned to the black high school 55 minutes away from her home by car, 30 minutes further than her former HS but now with no bus service because (the article explained) the bus transportation budget had been raided to pay diversity consultants fund more academic classes at the black HS and its peers. All that meaning that white parents were supposed to drive their children back and forth long distances to their new, inferior assigned schools, as if the parents had nothing better to do all day. Remember, you have to multiply each non-bused student’s one-way commute time by 4x to get the parent’s daily time expenditure (to school in the morning with child, return home alone, back to school alone in the afternoon, return home with child).

    The second part I admired due to the diabolically-obscure writing:


    Today, two in five Black and Latino students in the United States attend schools where more than 90 percent of students are children of color, while one in five white students goes to a school where more than 90 percent of students look like them, according to the Century Foundation, a progressive think tank.
     
    If you read that very carefully, you can puzzle out that 80% of white students are doing their part to make black and brown students feel good, while only 60% of black and brown students are reciprocating. Or as Steve has explained, the white kids are spread out very thinly to butter all the bread a little.

    Actually, I realize now that I admire one more thing in the article. The straight-out lie (repeated so often that the NYTwit writers probably believe it), first, that integration/desegregation (the article uses both terms within two lines) is beneficial for both black and white students, and second (undermining the first claim) that integration/desegregation merely does not harm the education of white students. A large number of studies have shown that white students suffer a lot, unless the “integration” is sort of fake—tracking or grouping smarter students separately inside a single “school”—in which case the white students suffer only moderately, because of bullying and violence on and near campus perpetrated by black/brown students and their families and acquaintances. Plus the fact that white students lose access to team sports other than water polo.

    Like I imagine Steve does sometimes, I just shake my head ruefully at the “Year Zero” approach to all this. Every single thing described in that article just recaps the stories of a half-century ago (plus/minus of course) and ignores everything learned along the way and since. How tiresome.

    Replies: @Kronos, @houston 1992, @guest007, @Ben tillman

    Maximal Lulz for paragraph two!!

  165. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    I don't feel bad for them. These are the same people who would have ragged on Southerners and all things Southern back in the desegregation days, because, "those mean, mean people", when they didn't know Jack Squat about it! Screw those snowflakes.

    Oh, and these are the same people that invite in the Somalians cause "they'll catch on soon enough, the poor dears... very nice folks, you betcha!"

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    That point’s not entirely invalid.

  166. Mauri Friestleben = “I be a n****r, sir! U felt me?”

  167. @Arclight
    @Curle

    Agree - I went from a private school in my earliest years to a large city public school and the behavior and performance of my diverse classmates was impossible to ignore. The frequent fighting, poor self control in the classroom, and the obvious academic deficiencies were on full display day in and day out. I also went to college in a very urban location and from the dorm chatter it was obvious 90% of my classmates had no first hand experience with the blessings of diversity and were struggling with the conflict of what they were supposed to think versus daily existence and the routine dangers of walking home late at night.

    To a large degree, our current moment is a product of millions of people who lived cossetted existences far from actual cultural and economic diversity trying to impose their wished-for version of reality on a world that won't cooperate.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Ed

    My intro to diversity was the military. The Blackitude was as shocking as the humidity in Georgia to this Californian suburban kid. We turned to the Southerners and big northeastern city recruits for enlightenment. “That’s just how Blacks are”, they explained.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @74v56ruthiyj

    When I lived in DC, a lot of my (Dem) coworkers would admit after a few beers that they absolutely hated living in a majority black neighborhood/city and had no idea what that really meant before moving there. It's a huge eye opener for suburban kids who have been trained all their lives to think that the depictions of diversity are just like fictional characters on TV.

  168. @International Jew
    @Jonathan Mason

    The article says she has a white mother and a black father, and that she herself identifies as black. As indeed she'd have to be crazy not to.

    Replies: @prosa123

    I can see Friestleben’s black ancestry, but it’s definitely not dominant. My guess is that her father was himself mixed race and therefore she’s about one-quarter black. She probably could pass herself off as Native American if she wanted, though not as white.
    Her husband, a retired police officer, is white.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @prosa123

    Minnesota Fats' daughter, Etta James, looked more black. She left something eternal. This Friestleben is just perpetuating mediocrity and more worthless students.

  169. @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    Yard signs too, of course.
     
    https://www.womenarehuman.com/wp-content/uploads/Say-the-Pronouns.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    LOL and Thanks.

  170. @Curle
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard Uruguay is the place to go.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @AndrewR

    Uruguay has got damned good demographics – nearly 90% White (Italians, Spanish, Germans, etc.) However, Mr. Mason’s main squeeze is Ecuadorian, so, good luck getting her across the Andes … wait, how do you make that whipping sound with letters again?

  171. People pushing these schemes always act like the last sixty years had not transpired. That all that they did, what happened as a result, and people noticing of what happened …………….. none of that happened.

    In their eyes, it’s always 1962. Michael Harrington has just written The Other America and To Kill a Mockingbird is showing in the movie theater down on mainstreet.

  172. @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    and white parents will still pull their kids out of non-white public school districts.

    Your particular fixations are of no interest.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Mr. Anon

    Your particular fixations are of no interest.

    Says the man with particular fixations.

    Your recommendations are of no interest. Do you have any power? Any influence? No. You are a nobody. You can issue edicts all day from your perch at the library reference desk. It doesn’t matter what you say. If those things could be done, politically, they would have been done.

    You make the mistake of assuming that the system can or ought to be saved. It can’t and, at this point, it shouldn’t be. People are trying to figure out how to cobble together something out of the ashes.

  173. @notsaying
    How much contact in class do mostly college bound white students have with kids mostly taking basic math and English (that is what we called those classes; I am sure nobody would call basic courses basic anymore)?

    I do not even understand what is being attempted here because most of the nonwhite kids would not be in the same academic classes as the white kids. Is this an attempt late in the day to have more kids actually interested in school share space and provide a better learning environment for the minority of nonwhite kids also interested in school? Is this really a social experiment and not an academic one? To see if being together for homeroom, lunch and gym class and some electives like cooking and art makes a difference?

    The principal shows her real thinking here when she thought of what her school had to offer:

    "The hallways at North Community High are a tapestry of blue and white, the school colors, and the mascot, a polar bear, seems to roar around every corner. The curriculum had been updated to expand access to advanced placement courses: U.S. history, physics, art and design. The school had a new athletic field, and on the first floor, a radio studio."

    Everything she is proud of is an external. Nothing about her students themselves is mentioned. No mention of parental interest or support either. That of course is one of the biggest problem: that the parents do not think school and real learning (not just passing) is very important. If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn't that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    This is very depressing. It is not shocking but it is very disheartening. And we are continuing to import poverty. So all those middle class jobs that have disappeared since 2000 snd due to disappear soon wouldn't have anybody to do them anyway in Minneapolis.

    What are we going to do with this younger generation? What will they do when we are gone?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @magilla, @JosephD, @smetana

    If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?

    The bottom half of the black IQ bell curve are as dumb as ‘funny-looking’ developmentally disabled whites. (h/t iSteve). In everyday interactions, they fit in better with their own society, though. Just extra dim, not funny-looking.

    This is where the “death penalty for black retarded man!!!” articles come from. The black death row inmates aren’t funny-looking disabled, though they sport IQ numbers that match the funny-looking whites.

  174. Stuff like the following almost never makes national news but can be found with some regularity if you search ‘Memphis’ & ‘schools’ ever so often.

    https://www.nbc11news.com/2021/09/30/1-hurt-memphis-school-shooting/

    Here’s an article describing a three year + federal court battle giving suburban cities in the same county as Memphis the right to form their own school districts against the city of Memphis which wanted to highjack their tax dollars to prop up the corrupt Memphis school district. IIRC, Obama’s DOJ got involved on the side of Memphis acting through the county commissioners. Bet on stuff like this occurring elsewhere in the future.

    https://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2014/mar/11/mays-accepts-suburban-schools-settlements-dismisses-related-court-claims/

  175. @Technite78
    Why would any parent have reservations about sending their kid to Ms. Friestleben's school?

    ‘We can’t take it anymore’: Minneapolis principal says city feels out of control after student’s death
    https://minnesotareformer.com/briefs/we-cant-take-it-anymore-minneapolis-principal-says-city-feels-out-of-control-after-students-death/

    Oh.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Abolish_public_education

    “I have kids that so badly and so deeply want to be in school, they want to play their sports, they want to get in the weight room”

    It’s outrageous how the schools make kids waste 6+ hours, @180d, in the classroom (i.e. held hostage), and make taxpayers cough up ~\$19K per kid annually (i.e. pay ransom), just for “allowing” the captives to play sports.

    Although I must begrudgingly admit that the schools do an OK job teaching football, I still want youth sports to be a 100% private affair, e.g. Pop Warner. The price we pay for football and basketball is the cost of the whole, darn, public education system: Sans sports, the kids wouldn’t want to show up, and their parents would start voting against school taxes.

    [MORE]

    As for the idea, embraced by the blogger et al, that because:

    • non-poor Jewish school parents,
    • in the San Fernando Valley,
    • pay taxes,

    it’s therefore no big deal that:

    • their kids can go to
    • not totally crappy,
    • segregated public schools
    • close to home,

    I say that,

    • At least ⅓ of school parents are net tax leeches.
    • Many actual taxpayers prefer that parents pay for private schools.
    • You don’t get to choose which policies should govern.

    But, even if the gov grants parents a say in choosing their kids’ school, then it should NOT let those same parents have a say in:

    • which kids,
    • of (net tax paying!) parents,
    • who happen to be zoned for totally crappy schools (in/out of SFV),
    • should be excluded

    from those same schools.

    Of course I’m being way too kind to the blogger’s special interest group. My experience is that non-poor schoolparents are an arrogant, self-entitled bunch. They are loathe to let the matter be decided in the legislature (where it belongs), and feel that only their voices should count, i.e. they’re privileged. To those like me they say, “Shut up and pay your taxes!”

  176. @Jonathan Mason
    @Feryl

    You need to growing workforce to support Social Security and Medicare.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Colin Wright, @Feryl

    An evergrowing population is obviously disastrous for the environment, but it’s also not good for the average (younger) person either, as it leads to too much competition for scarce resources and immense amounts of stress at having to cope with the burden of fending off the hordes. In America, the generation born in the 1930’s was much smaller than surrounding generations and has reaped the benefits of that their whole lives. Countries with aging populations have drastically slowed birth rates because we (non-Africans) are biologically and mentally attuned to say “enough” in light of increasingly scarce resources. The 1970’s is when birth rates crashed because people felt (accurately) that our carrying capacity was full. The birth rate peaked in 1958, and within 12 years people must’ve been considering just what effect this would have on the overall quality of life, the job market etc. of society. And sure enough, the latest Boomers have had life long struggles with financial, physical, and mental health compared to older generations due to the extreme competitive pressures of being in such a large generation.

    WRT to funding programs for oldsters, well, guess what? People have been retiring later, and there’s now quite serious discussion about how to get the most out of aging workers. If you plan on living that long, take care of yourself. In addition, local civic groups like churches can always take care of the needy and vulnerable. The Greatest Generation set the Big Gov. social welfare machine in motion and fed outlays to the elderly have been increasing ever since the 1950’s (indeed,it used to be that the elderly were impoverished and youth was prioritized, that’s been reversed over the last 70 years). We need to have a reset and localize things again.. To the credit of Boomers they correctly saw that these programs never really made sense in light of increasing longevity and their own generation’s size. Back in the 80’s elderly entitlements were called a “third rail”, but that stigma has been declining with Boomers more determined to stay in the workforce than older generations, and more comfortable with relying on family and local institutions to take care of them instead of getting rescued by Uncle Sam.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  177. @Mike Tre
    "For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? "

    10% for schools, neighborhoods, work force, cities, the population of the country, pretty much anything other than a pro basketball team.

    More than that, and it's ghetto glamorization time, baby.

    Replies: @Fredrik, @anon

    10% for schools, neighborhoods, work force, cities, the population of the country, pretty much anything other than a pro basketball team.

    Where did you come up with that?

  178. If these Scandinavian commies up there actually believed in capitalism/free markets, they would pay or incentivize White parents to send their children to POC schools.

    Slash their property/school taxes! Pay them #500/month!

    Of course you still wouldn’t get the Best and Brightest, but some. Some cream in the coffee.

    Of course unless it was to subsidize POC (not Whites, even GoodWhites) then it would be “racist.”

    Also, you’d include North Asians (not Hmongs) in those subsidies.

    Of course you wouldn’t have to do any ethnic cleansing at all if the POC schools did things like:

    –hire teachers/administrators based on high performing/skills/proven outcomes
    –enforce strict (i.e. normal White) discipline
    –expel troublemakers/sociopaths
    –insist on merit grading and passing courses before grade advancement
    –rewarding positive educational achievement instead of Jockdom honors for a handful of gorillas
    –sex segregated classes
    –uniforms
    –extra male teachers in classrooms as ‘minders’ or mentors (for male classes)

    Much like Catholic or other religious schools (or at least used to be like).

    Of course the POC parents would soon become surprised at the positive results. The ones complaining that L’il Glockster was expelled to the punishment school wouldn’t like it, perhaps. Or maybe not.

    If you cater to the lowest common denominator in your market, that’s what you will sell. If Minneapolis Whites want their kids to be ‘aspiring rappers’ or ‘fly girls’ (“hey, look how rich Eminem is!”) then they can lend out their kids to schools where that’s what they aspire to become.

    But it’s very hard to cure stupidity. So this won’t happen.

  179. Minneapolis officials are asking white families to help do the integrating

    Well no, “asking” is Progressive tactical code for “compelling”. Asking parents to send their kids to inferior schools is akin to asking citizens to pay more taxes. Non-Woke citizens aren’t stupid. They know when the political Elites are putting a gun to their heads by asking them.

    Whether with desegregation or taxes, when asking = compelling and the target citizens have a choice to surrender or escape, they will almost invariably choose to escape.

  180. @R.G. Camara
    Somewhere in the deepest pits of the underworld, Judge Arthur Garrity smiled.

    Replies: @Mark Roulo

    “Somewhere in the deepest pits of the underworld, Judge Arthur Garrity smiled.”

    Also Judge Russell Gentry Clark.

    I’m sure things will turn out better this time around …

  181. @Bragadocious
    The whites there will probably go along with this. Unlike the abrasive, screw-you-and-the-horse-you rode-in-on Irish of South Boston in 1975, Minnesota whites care deeply about what others think of them. Or they'll just quietly move to White Bear Lake. Go Bears!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Alden

    I had a couple college buddies from White Bear Lake. No bs, they were hyper focused. It gave me a favorable view of Minnesotans. One, Josh Cassada, became an astronaut.

  182. @prosa123
    @International Jew

    I can see Friestleben's black ancestry, but it's definitely not dominant. My guess is that her father was himself mixed race and therefore she's about one-quarter black. She probably could pass herself off as Native American if she wanted, though not as white.
    Her husband, a retired police officer, is white.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Minnesota Fats’ daughter, Etta James, looked more black. She left something eternal. This Friestleben is just perpetuating mediocrity and more worthless students.

  183. @Bragadocious
    The whites there will probably go along with this. Unlike the abrasive, screw-you-and-the-horse-you rode-in-on Irish of South Boston in 1975, Minnesota whites care deeply about what others think of them. Or they'll just quietly move to White Bear Lake. Go Bears!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Alden

    As I recall. The south Boston Irish had to either surrender to Judge Garrity ‘s savages , or flee to catholic schools. and or the suburbs.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Alden

    They had a third choice, and it was this. (You won't see this in Minnesota)

    https://image.slidesharecdn.com/thesoilingofoldglory-analysis-150203145819-conversion-gate01/95/the-soiling-of-old-glory-analysis-14-1024.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @duncsbaby

    , @Brutusale
    @Alden

    Which is why the tuition at my suburban Catholic high school went from $250/year in 1973 to $750/year for 1976.

    Replies: @JMcG

  184. @satoshi
    I live in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis. We instituted bussing within our district about 5 years ago based on the standard flawed logic, as those preschools with a lot of Somali immigrants had lower scores than the others. Now we have a million dollar bussing system. No one thinks about measuring if this helped, and I'm sure any data relevant to that question are quickly burned.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I live in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis… those preschools with a lot of Somali immigrants had lower scores than the others.

    Consider that Eden Prairie’s Somalis are the most successful of Minnesota’s, and Minnesota’s the most successful of the whole diaspora.

    The crème de la crème (ugu fiican) are regressing to their mean. Perhaps interclan marriage might ameliorate this some; what Steve once called “airing out their genes”.

  185. @George
    "Within a few years, LAUSD’s hundred thousand or so high-scoring Jewish students were mostly gone with the wind, to newly started Jewish private schools"

    Was this a money maker for LAUSD? A large number of students left the public system for private school, but the government funding might have stayed with LAUSD.

    Replies: @Alden

    General rule of school funding; the poorest , dumbest and worst behaved the kids, the more money the state and feds pour into the school district.

  186. @Anon

    But white students test four to five grade levels ahead of Black, Hispanic and Native students, and two and a half grade levels ahead of Asian students
     
    This is a pretty big gap. As a rule of thumb, a standard deviation in intelligence difference is equal to two-and-a-half school years, at the secondary level. Four years is really bad. What could cause that? Northern blacks selected for intelligence. Are Somalis particularly dumb as a group? Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?

    How do initiatives like this, not court mandated, happen in a representative republican system of government? Do most voters support bussing?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed

    Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?

    One particularly ambitious Somali I know sends his many kids on a long bus ride to Inver Grove Heights to an Islamic charter school. Which district they are included in, if any, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    If it’s titled charter school it’s not a private school. Part of the public school system paid for by the White taxpayers

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  187. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, a suggestion for a somewhat related topic to investigate: the rise of black police chiefs. Minneapolis has one, of course, but apparently even >90% white Waukesha does too. What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief? Have cities with black police chiefs seen lower crime or fewer racism lawsuits decided against them?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Alden, @J.Ross, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @KenH, @Ed

    Probably like Superintendent picks, you pick a black person to signal you’re all about diversity, maybe keep the DOJ away if something pops off.

  188. @Anon

    But white students test four to five grade levels ahead of Black, Hispanic and Native students, and two and a half grade levels ahead of Asian students
     
    This is a pretty big gap. As a rule of thumb, a standard deviation in intelligence difference is equal to two-and-a-half school years, at the secondary level. Four years is really bad. What could cause that? Northern blacks selected for intelligence. Are Somalis particularly dumb as a group? Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?

    How do initiatives like this, not court mandated, happen in a representative republican system of government? Do most voters support bussing?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed

    There’s not much data on Somalis in terms of schooling. Ten years ago researchers found that Somali kids test pretty high for being kindergarten ready coming in slightly below native English speakers.

    https://www.minnpost.com/community-sketchbook/2011/10/report-shows-somali-kids-test-kindergarten-ready-why/

    Steve has touched on this before but WI and MN offered comparatively more generous welfare in the 80s and 90s. This attracted welfare blacks primarily from Chicago. A sort of chain migration developed to these cities. Someone gets in trouble in Chitown they dashed up to live with sis or gf that relocated to Minneapolis.

  189. @houston 1992
    article: "
    The situation is especially stark in Minneapolis, a deeply segregated city. The district of 30,500 students is diverse: about 41 percent white, 35 percent Black, 14 percent Hispanic, 5 percent Asian American and 4 percent Native American."

    wikipedia counts Minneapolis as populated with ~ 430,000 people. But, the public schools only have 30.5K students or 7% of the population.....that % is lower than I expected , even for a Blue city.

    How many children are home schooled or attend private schools?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How many children are home schooled or attend private schools?

    Minnesota was among the first states with charter schools and interdistrict transfers by choice. Old Catholic schools survive, and some thrive. My son’s old Cub Scout pack was attached to a rather vigorous one in South Minneapolis.

    There are also private, tony Breck and Blake. Robert M Pirsig, Franken & Davis, and CNN’s Poppy Harlow are graduates of the latter.

    Homeschooling is also very big in the Twin Cities. How all these affect the standard school district’s numbers you’ll have to ask someone closer to the action.

    • Thanks: houston 1992
  190. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120

    https://twitter.com/Interstella4L/status/1464435092172980229

    Being a straight male is a bad deal these days. Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Abelard Lindsey, @Achmed E. Newman

    What do you attribute that decline in sex to? The 80-20 thing (or whatever it is) wherein the vast majority of single women are sharing the most studly men? More single females opting for more sex with females? Video game/porn addiction? All of these factors and more? Just curious what you’re take is.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @JimDandy


    What do you attribute that decline in [men getting] sex to?
     
    Easy. It’s the internet — Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, dating sites. Also “pump and dump” culture and degradation of the family. And easy birth control. And more career women.

    Women are hardwired to seek the highest status man they can get. In the Before Times, a woman’s mate prospects were confined to her town or workplace, and further confined by actual physical meeting opportunities.

    Nowadays women can get on Tinder and get bombarded with male attention in a 100 mile radius. Why settle? Those top 10% alpha men she lusts after just might give her a date. And often they do, but just to pump & dump her or keep her as a FB.

    Men are hardwired to put their seed into as many women as possible. Now they can, because why wouldn’t they?

    The pump & dump sex & the city culture creates “alpha widows”. The alpha men would never marry most of these women, yet once a woman has had an alpha, however briefly, she’ll never “settle” for an otherwise good man she might have a few generations ago. Hello, cat ladies!

    Plus teaching women that they are subhuman unless they pour their life essence into cubicle careers ironically makes them less likely to marry. Women’s instincts are to marry up. As she moves up the pool of men she’s interested in for marriage shrinks. Double tragedy for her is the men she wants are able to get younger, hotter, more agreeable women. So the men she wants don’t want her. Other men (the majority) are beneath her, invisible to her.

    I know several women like this. Unfortunately for them they aged out of their cuteness chasing alphas before settling down. One bitterly resents being married to a man far below her station. The other is now a wine aunt with cats. The first once told me a hilarious story of a strange woman calling her and screaming to stay away from her husband — turns out the drunk man booty calls she was receiving randomly were from a married man lol. She had no idea.

    Plus easy birth control removes the life-aftering risk of getting preggers.

    Put all this together and stir. No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.

    Replies: @Tony massey, @Alden, @BB753

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @JimDandy

    Numerous factors have been discussed.

    -Various screens & apps have made young people much more anti-social over the last 15 years. So they're going out far less often to clubs, bars, house parties, get togethers, etc. Even when they go out, they're more interested in looking at screen than actually having a prolonged conversation with someone. This makes it MUCH harder for young people to meet individuals from the opposite gender and begin relationships. They're more interested in what's happening on their screen than what's happening in some nightclub.

    -Rising backlash against sexual harassment ("MeToo") has made men very wary to approach women in workplaces, gyms, public places, nightlife venues, etc. Women are also much more vigilant about taking action against men who are flirtatious.

    -Many young people have retreated to online dating (Tinder, OkCupid, Bumble, etc). The problem is the average women is exceptionally selective online, much moreso than she would be in a real-life interaction. This makes it extremely tough for men to get matches online. Not neccessarily impossible, but online courting is a long&grueling process for most men. Women tend to get many matches, so they like online dating. There is a tendency for a small proportion of men ("Chads") to monopolize the dating market to some extent, which causes more problems for regular men.

    -The 2008 recession was especially difficult for young men, crippling their employment opportunities and earning power. Even when the labor market recovered, wages didn't keep pace with the rising cost of living. So with the financial squeeze, far fewer young people could afford to go out to social events or date. Far fewer could afford to get their own place and move out of their parental home. This has decreased the marriage rate substantially.

    -Many young people prefer interacting online, through Facebook Messenger, Instagram DM, Tiktok, Snapchat, and other social media apps. Many grew up interacting with apps and feel like they can express themselves more confidently online. For them, an online "Snapchat party" is preferable to a real-life house party. While these apps may be "fun" to use, they're very ineffective at facilitating relationships.

    -Porn has provided an outlet to many celibate young men. So have various other sites, like "OnlyFans."

    -"Helicopter" parents provide far more supervision to their kids these days, which makes it harder for them to have sex.

    -There's been a crackdown on nightclubs, fraternities, college house parties, intoxicated drivers, and other types of nighttime "fun." This has made it far harder to hook up.

    -For a variety of reasons, young people seem to drink less now than they once did. So casual flings are less likely to happen now.

    -Rising lesbianism among young women.

    Covid lockdowns and social distancing have likely exacerbated many of the above factors.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @JimDandy

    80-20 kicked in with the rise of the internet, massively safe cities (Broken Windows), social encouragement of female casual sex and city life (Sex and the City, Friends, etc.), and big cities having economic booms, thus drawing women to them. Lots of 5's and 6's got a night with a top 20% alpha male in cities due to proximity and alcohol and then got their expectations set way above their worth.

    This, in turn, fueled the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some.

    However, while PUA/game offered men some release, it was ultimately unfulfilling, as the 80%-beta really just want a good woman to have sex with regularly, while one night stands, thrilling at first, are unrewarding and sterile -- and you get it from used-up women with no feminine instincts and are disappointing in every way. The #MeToo era and the attacks on PUA/Game from feminazis didn't help. And most men aren't built for the massive amount of rejection running normal PUA/Game requires (that's a good thing, btw).

    Plus the divorce-rape industry is sky high, and many guys who have been divorced or are the children of divorce/feminazi moms don't want any part of that in their lives.

    Ultimately, internet porn/cam girls, masturbation, and/or voluntary (not involuntary) celibacy proved more fulfilling for the 80%-beta men than chasing worthless tail.

    Hence the rise of the MGTOW movement. In short, modern women and sex with them has proven an unrewarding chase. 80%-betas are tired of either trying to cat around or else being some slut's fallback plan whom she'll leave after less than a decade of matrimony. MGTOW is far more appealing -- as sad as that sounds, and as much as it indicts modern Western women.

    Men are checking out, because, as the Better Bachelor Joker says, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Justvisiting

  191. @Curle
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard Uruguay is the place to go.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @AndrewR

    I believe Uruguay is very nice. A bit more pricey than some parts of South America but still very affordable. You can probably get a modern ranch house on 12 acres in the hills with an infinity pool for less than the cost of a California condo. Has an excellent climate, nice beaches, low crime rate, only 3.5 million people in an area significantly larger than Florida,

    See, you can’t make America (USA dept.) great again. When was it last great? Probably before the interstate highways were built and the land all covered with parking lots and suburbs.

    This was when America was great, when you could go to Las Vegas and see Frank Sinatra singing with the Count Basie band. It won’t come back. 1966 was a very good year, but the best was not yet to come. It had been and gone.

    Go south, young man!

  192. @Thea
    @Jonathan Mason

    I highly recommend reading Frederick Jackson Turner. Eventually anywhere we go will have the same stagnant problems we have now.


    Today Ecuador is part of the American frontier, tomorrow it will be full of Americans voting for the same crap policies that ruined us. See Colorado, now full of former Californians, as an example.


    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.

    Noble sentiments, but your kids are as screwed as the lower deck passengers on the Titanic. The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.
     
    Ecuador is a lifeboat?


    States with highest Ecuadorian population

  193. Anon[714] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting question: Do mixed-race schools have higher attendance rates than all-black schools because the black boys have a mad drive to chase the white girls, and the black girls really want to land a white boy? Do they figure that attendance rates improve if the peons are fascinated by the golden people?

    Busing doesn’t do anything for black grades. Liberals know this because they tried it before in the 1970s. I suspect they have another goal this time, namely hardcore gene-mixing they want to shove down everyone’s throats.

    Liberals know that black girls will try to get knocked up by the age of 18 so they can have that welfare baby and not have to work. The liberal elite thinks that if they’re made pregnant by higher quality white males, that will produce a higher-quality mulatto class that can actually get and hold jobs instead of spending its entire existence on welfare, and they’ll be able to do intellectual work beyond the 6th grade level. Since the black girls want to get pregnant, they’ll practically throw their legs open for unprotected sex, and since white boys are pretty dumb in junior high and high school, they’ll be too irresponsible to use a condom.

  194. This is really interesting. I don’t read the NYT other than if I see a link somewhere else. But this is the second item I’ve seen in the past few days calling out white liberals on their NIMBYism (the other was a video on how blue regions had worse outcome for blacks in certain areas like educationa attainment, home ownership, etc.)

    TBH, I admire the NYT for this. I see it as at least they believe what they’re preaching.

    If this continues, it’s going to be fascinating to see how it plays out. It’s one thing to be a liberal when all you’re really doing is using it to assert to superiority over lesser whites. It’s another when you actually send your kids to integrated schools and they come home beaten up and two grades behind.

    It kind of feels like a slow-mo train wreck about to happen.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @jilla

    I just saw a link to this article at Yahoo News. I was glad to have an opportunity to read the whole article for free.

    It turns out that this school now has a grand total of 30 white students. That is it. There is also a white mother who explains why she did not send her daughter there.

    Here is what another white mother said:

    "For now, Leah Harp is among the few new white parents at North High. She decided to send her son after touring the school, where she noticed a culture of high expectations and students who seemed happy and relaxed."

    This school with its kids 4-5 grades behind white kids has high expectations? These kids are happy and relaxed? They sure wouldn't be if they realized what their future holds as functional illiterates in an increasingly complex world.

    https://news.yahoo.com/minneapolis-schools-white-families-asked-164247665.html

  195. @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    Detroit avoided the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Riots because of black police chief James Craig.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @anarchyst

    Maybe because Detroit didn’t have any stores worth robbing. Do they even have a Louis Vuitton? Maybe because Detroit merchants always lock everything up behind cases? If the Detroit cell phone stores weren’t already locking up, they would be stupid and crazy.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    Detroit had a department store called Hudson’s. Not Bergdof’s Saks or Nieman Marcus. But equivalent to Marshall Fields in Chicago or Nordstrom’s in Seattle. Very high end. Gone with the Black Plague like everything else in Detroit.

  196. The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.

    My preferred analogy is the event horizon of a black hole.

    You can go round and round and sometimes think you are actually making improvements, but the cold equations of the national debt and the racial composition of the younger population will drag you into the third world black hole eventually.

  197. @James N. Kennett

    But she was working hard to serve the needs of her students and had little interest in adjusting her focus to woo white families.

    “At times,” she said, “it was demeaning and humiliating.”
     
    This tells the white parents all they need to know.

    “As a society,” she added, “we have subconsciously rolled the red carpet out for white children for generations upon generations. So it’s my challenge and my honor to do that for Black children, to give Black children the same experience of, ‘you are the center of my world.’

    “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.
     
    It is no wonder that Ms. Friestleben finds the attitudes of white parents "demeaning and humiliating" - she doesn't have a clue what they are looking for. The way that schools "rolled out the red carpet" for white children was by teaching them, not by making them "feel like royalty".

    At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.
     
    If the head teacher at my school had talked to pupils like this, we would have started placing bets on when the men in white coats would come to take him away.

    The gains came at no cost to the educational achievement of white students.
     
    Now we know they are lying. Even if there was no cost at the level of the individual, at the level of the school the achievements of white students must have declined - simply because the smart Jewish kids had left for private schools.

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    Stories like this justify my friend spending \$2k a month sending his 2 kids (8&11) to a private school. He grew up in an integrated school system, and from his experiences, didn’t want his children to have to go thru the same experience.

  198. @Calvin Hobbes

    At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved.
     
    That sounds like what counts as an “axiom” in the ed biz. It’s supposed to be treated as true, whether or not it reflects reality.

    Here are some similar “axioms” in the math ed biz:

    http://math.sfsu.edu/federico/Articles/noticesfinal.pdf

    I. The Axioms
    Let me begin with some axioms. I firmly believe in them, and I build my work upon them.
    Axiom 1. Mathematical talent is distributed equally among different groups, irrespective of geographic, demographic, and economic boundaries.
    Axiom 2. Everyone can have joyful, meaningful, and em- powering mathematical experiences.
    Axiom 3. Mathematics is a powerful, malleable tool that can be shaped and used differently by various communi- ties to serve their needs.
    Axiom 4. Every student deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.
    These statements should not sound revolutionary, but considering the current practices of the mathematical society, they are a pressing call to action.

    Replies: @res

    Let me begin with some axioms. I firmly believe in them, and I build my work upon them.

    GIGO (to be specific, axiom 1 is false)

  199. @Alden
    @Bragadocious

    As I recall. The south Boston Irish had to either surrender to Judge Garrity ‘s savages , or flee to catholic schools. and or the suburbs.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Brutusale

    They had a third choice, and it was this. (You won’t see this in Minnesota)

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bragadocious

    There is some really iconic photography from the Boston busing riots.

    https://i.imgur.com/bgW4tQr.jpg

    And the Hard Hat Riot.

    https://i.imgur.com/ByV3cQD.jpg

    The Democratic Party decided that the working class was just too white, too armed, too religious and too provincial after that, so the white working class voted for Reagan in supermajority numbers in the 1980s.

    Then they grew old, many died, immigration was steadily dialed up, and there went their supermajority.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @duncsbaby
    @Bragadocious

    You won't see it in Boston anymore either.

  200. “As a society,” she added, “we have subconsciously rolled the red carpet out for white children for generations upon generations.

    Now, I know that you and I are tired of hearing this. Really, really, tired.

    But don’t they get tired of saying the same old shit over and over again??

    Or do they just suck it up and go on with the show, as in that old Negro Spiritual, beloved of Hillary Clinton, “I don’t feel no ways tired.”

    Is that it?

  201. @KenH
    @Dave Pinsen


    What have been the benefits, if any, of having a black police chief?
     
    Virtue signaling by the mayor and city council so they feel good about themselves. Every time the SHTF between black thugs and usually white police the answer seems to be a negro police chief.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Virtue signaling by the mayor and city council so they feel good about themselves. Every time the SHTF between black thugs and usually white police the answer seems to be a negro police chief.

    Police chief is the ultimate high-testosterone bureaucrat job, outside the armed forces.

    Also, remember that the chief’s main responsibility in most cities is to keep the mayor and/or city council happy. Public order is a secondary concern.

  202. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Are there private schools siphoning off the smarter black students with scholarships, more so than other regions?
     
    One particularly ambitious Somali I know sends his many kids on a long bus ride to Inver Grove Heights to an Islamic charter school. Which district they are included in, if any, I don't know.

    Replies: @Alden

    If it’s titled charter school it’s not a private school. Part of the public school system paid for by the White taxpayers

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden

    That wasn't the question. It was about which city's public school district the child is counted in, the school's or his residence's. This may vary by state.

  203. @Jonathan Mason
    @Thea


    There may just be something about our inherent make-up, as descendants of those who left Europe for adventure and a better life that dooms us to these ends. We, Americans, are responsible for getting ourselves into this mess. If we don’t take responsibility to rebuild, our kids are screwed.
     
    Noble sentiments, but your kids are as screwed as the lower deck passengers on the Titanic. The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The US is holed below the waterline, so head for the lifeboats.

    Ecuador is a lifeboat?

    States with highest Ecuadorian population

  204. @JosephD
    @notsaying

    Not all classes are as closely tracked as math. For example, there can be a mix of students in history classes in 9th and 10th grades. English and foreign language classes may also be untracked in those grades. So there could be a moderate amount of mixing before 11th and 12th grades.


    If her average student is 4-5 grade levels behind whites in grades 10-12, wouldn’t that make them functional illiterates or almost functional illiterates?
     
    I think calling students functioning at grade level 5 to 8 as functional illiterates is rather harsh. Not STEM or management material, certainly.

    Replies: @Carol

    From reading r/Teachers for a few years now, I think it’s more likely the Young Scholars are stuck at grade two, and don’t care to progress beyond that.

    The poor SJW saps at Reddit never mention race, of course. But it’s pretty obvious with euphemisms like “urban” and “Title 1.” And the students routinely call the nice white lady teachers bitches and ho’s.

  205. @Prometheus Martel
    North Minneapolis used to be Jewish/eastern European, then came the Great Migration and the 1960s black riots drove out Jews, followed by decades of decline. It's geographically excellent - close to downty, close to freeway job corridors, great access, nice parks, great views, Mississippi river parks and Worth Park, the biggest in Minneapolis. A small slice of the population ruins it for everyone else, and wokeness protects that small slice from cops and standards that would drive it out. It's sad, but predictable. Probably it'll have to bottom out.
    Minnesota has huge racial disparities because a huge proportion of its blacks are Somalis, who (for many) lack language, cultural and economic assets to succeed. Ilhan Omar is seen as smart in that group.

    Replies: @Currahee

    “Probably it’ll have to bottom out.”
    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Currahee


    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

     

    Have you been reading Paul Fussell's Class?

    Jonathan Raban, watching people at the Minnesota State Fair, was vouchsafed a spectacle suggesting calculated, vigorously intentional obesity:

    ’These farming families … were the descendants of hungry immigrants from Germany and Scandinavia … Generation by generation, their families had eaten themselves into Americans. Now they all had the same figure: same broad bottom, same buddha belly, same neckless join between turkey-wattle chin and sperm-whale torso. The women had poured themselves into pink elasticized pantsuits; the men swelled against every seam and button of their plaid shirts and Dacron slacks.’

    … Raban found himself so fascinated by U.S.A. fat that he proposes a Fatness Map, which would indicate that the fattest people live in areas where the immigration has been the most recent and ‘ancestral memories of hunger closest.’ On the other hand, ‘states… settled before 1776 would register least in the way of fatty tissue. Girth would generally increase from east to west and from south to north. The flab capital of the U.S.A. should be located somewhere in the triangle of Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas.’
     
    We visited these states' tripoint near Sioux Falls last year, and they didn't look any worse than anywhere else in the interior.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Feryl, @Buffalo Joe

  206. It is interesting how the NYT sounds like it emerged from a time warp in the 1970’s, no awareness that all this crap has been tried decades ago and didn’t work. The earnest young wokeists there seemingly unaware of anything that happened prior to 2008.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Unladen Swallow

    “ The earnest young wokeists there seemingly unaware of anything that happened prior to 2008.”

    Social science is not about using past errors to legitimize a new approach or to discard an old one but is instead about repeating past errors in a new way.

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  208. @George Weinbaum
    Skip zoning. Wow. The New York City Board of Education did this in the 1960s. And?

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    De Blasio has ordered that NYC high schools not admit by zones. It’s about re-time. The state has NO business drawing exclusionary lines (legal walls) around public schools (parks, roads, etc.)

    @#19 A large number of students left the public system for private school, but the government funding might have stayed with LAUSD.

    Idk, but here we see a valid measure by which today’s totally crappy school system (a carryover from decades past) can still get way worse: The same, dismal results at higher tax dollar cost per-student. The 2019-2020 and ’20-’21 school years actually achieved this in blowout fashion.

    The schools experienced certified big drops in attendance. Legally, that required such districts to give tax dollars back to the state general fund. In some districts, a portion of (widely distributed but especially to urban districts) federal bailout dollars were used to repay the state. But in some states, the teachers’ union-controlled legislature gave the districts dispensation to not refund the money. That is, many if not ALL districts finished the FY with more money than they’ve ever seen; they’re burning the surplus on fluff such as hiring more psychologists.

    Meanwhile, the schools cried that moving to online instruction put the kids further behind. Had anyone bothered to test the kids, their scores would have been poorer than ever.

  209. @Currahee
    "At 8:30 a.m., she delivers announcements, reminding students that they are brave, beautiful, strong and loved."

    That should do it.

    Replies: @Alden

    Shouldn’t the parents tell their children the parents love them? Ooops forgot. Black mammas regard the kids as tickets to section 8 abd welfare. Black dads were only around for conception.

    How many billions and billions are spent every year for teachers cops social workers special programs because blacks are incapable of raising their own kids?

  210. @guest007
    @Curle

    Here is a link to a similar study.

    https://www.the74million.org/exposure-to-desegregated-schools-often-made-whites-less-tolerant-as-adults/

    White kids being exposed to a large number of blacks, many of which are older due to being held back, does nothing improving the attitudes of white kids. I am amazed that such data analysis is allowed at an Ivy League school.

    Replies: @Curle

    The study uses terminology ‘lowered tolerance’ as a substitute for ‘confirmed prejudices.’

  211. @Bragadocious
    @Alden

    They had a third choice, and it was this. (You won't see this in Minnesota)

    https://image.slidesharecdn.com/thesoilingofoldglory-analysis-150203145819-conversion-gate01/95/the-soiling-of-old-glory-analysis-14-1024.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @duncsbaby

    There is some really iconic photography from the Boston busing riots.

    And the Hard Hat Riot.

    The Democratic Party decided that the working class was just too white, too armed, too religious and too provincial after that, so the white working class voted for Reagan in supermajority numbers in the 1980s.

    Then they grew old, many died, immigration was steadily dialed up, and there went their supermajority.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    These are the bastards who gave us the Kennedys.They voted for Wallace in the primary, then McGovern and Carter in November.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  212. @Unladen Swallow
    It is interesting how the NYT sounds like it emerged from a time warp in the 1970's, no awareness that all this crap has been tried decades ago and didn't work. The earnest young wokeists there seemingly unaware of anything that happened prior to 2008.

    Replies: @Curle

    “ The earnest young wokeists there seemingly unaware of anything that happened prior to 2008.”

    Social science is not about using past errors to legitimize a new approach or to discard an old one but is instead about repeating past errors in a new way.

  213. @John Regan
    @SimpleSong


    Well, uh, isn’t this what the baizuo voted for? I mean I know they thought that orange man bad was just zero-cost virtue signaling but it turns out votes have consequences.
     
    The kids didn't vote for anything though. And aren't capable of critical thinking anyway at their age so I wouldn't blame them even if they had.

    Yet they will be the ones to suffer most. In the best case their parents burden themselves with new loans so they can flee. That still means they lose their familiar homes, schools, friends. Better hope they won't have to move again in a few years if the false idols of Diversity and Inclusion demand a new sacrifice.

    Or else they get to stay and be integrated. It's always the weakest who get left behind.

    "The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." Book of Numbers 14:18

    I have mixed feelings about the Old Testament (especially the bits that say all Gentiles who won't literally lick the chosen people's boots will be drowned in their own children's blood and other similar nice things...) but this point it gets sadly right.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

    The Old Testament is the distillation of literally thousands of years of human experience.

    The God of the Old Testament doesn’t much offer you salvation. But he offers you insight into The World As It Is.

    Ignore it at your peril!

  214. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Bragadocious

    There is some really iconic photography from the Boston busing riots.

    https://i.imgur.com/bgW4tQr.jpg

    And the Hard Hat Riot.

    https://i.imgur.com/ByV3cQD.jpg

    The Democratic Party decided that the working class was just too white, too armed, too religious and too provincial after that, so the white working class voted for Reagan in supermajority numbers in the 1980s.

    Then they grew old, many died, immigration was steadily dialed up, and there went their supermajority.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    These are the bastards who gave us the Kennedys.They voted for Wallace in the primary, then McGovern and Carter in November.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters. Nixon and Reagan were a different story.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  215. @Currahee
    @Prometheus Martel

    "Probably it’ll have to bottom out."
    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

    Have you been reading Paul Fussell’s Class?

    Jonathan Raban, watching people at the Minnesota State Fair, was vouchsafed a spectacle suggesting calculated, vigorously intentional obesity:

    ’These farming families … were the descendants of hungry immigrants from Germany and Scandinavia … Generation by generation, their families had eaten themselves into Americans. Now they all had the same figure: same broad bottom, same buddha belly, same neckless join between turkey-wattle chin and sperm-whale torso. The women had poured themselves into pink elasticized pantsuits; the men swelled against every seam and button of their plaid shirts and Dacron slacks.’

    … Raban found himself so fascinated by U.S.A. fat that he proposes a Fatness Map, which would indicate that the fattest people live in areas where the immigration has been the most recent and ‘ancestral memories of hunger closest.’ On the other hand, ‘states… settled before 1776 would register least in the way of fatty tissue. Girth would generally increase from east to west and from south to north. The flab capital of the U.S.A. should be located somewhere in the triangle of Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas.’

    We visited these states’ tripoint near Sioux Falls last year, and they didn’t look any worse than anywhere else in the interior.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Reg Cæsar

    That is a theory very different from my early hypothesis about weight gain in America.

    My thought was that tens of millions of Americans had left the very physically demanding life on the farm and a limited number of cars to a world where people didn't move constantly all day and used their cars for everything.

    My best guess was that the pounds came from still eating for farm work.

    Today I think that a lot of overeating comes from junk food and boredom and psychological reasons like stress. Plus of course your chance of being big go up if one parent is big and even more if both parents are. Monkey see, monkey do.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Feryl
    @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks are the fattest and the fittest people are in Colorado. Minnesota is leaner than Wisconsin (probably because MN is drier and sunnier). Also, the Mid-Atlantic, Eastern Midwest, and South overall do not do that well on fitness measures esp. once you eliminate more educated whites.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, I spent 5 hours sitting in the Emergency room at our local suburban hospital. Easily 50% of the people in the ER waiting room were morbidly obese, not stout, chunky or pleasingly plump, but morbidly obese. Another 20% were noticeably overweight. One man could barely get his ass into a wheel chair. All of them were wheeled in and as they attempted to get into a waiting room chair, could barely walk.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  216. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    If it’s titled charter school it’s not a private school. Part of the public school system paid for by the White taxpayers

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That wasn’t the question. It was about which city’s public school district the child is counted in, the school’s or his residence’s. This may vary by state.

  217. “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.

    Old and tired; “We wuz Kangz!”. New hotness; “We is Kangz!”

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @kaganovitch


    “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.
     
    Yup. They'll feel they'll never have to work a day in their lives.
  218. @jilla
    This is really interesting. I don't read the NYT other than if I see a link somewhere else. But this is the second item I've seen in the past few days calling out white liberals on their NIMBYism (the other was a video on how blue regions had worse outcome for blacks in certain areas like educationa attainment, home ownership, etc.)

    TBH, I admire the NYT for this. I see it as at least they believe what they're preaching.

    If this continues, it's going to be fascinating to see how it plays out. It's one thing to be a liberal when all you're really doing is using it to assert to superiority over lesser whites. It's another when you actually send your kids to integrated schools and they come home beaten up and two grades behind.

    It kind of feels like a slow-mo train wreck about to happen.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I just saw a link to this article at Yahoo News. I was glad to have an opportunity to read the whole article for free.

    It turns out that this school now has a grand total of 30 white students. That is it. There is also a white mother who explains why she did not send her daughter there.

    Here is what another white mother said:

    “For now, Leah Harp is among the few new white parents at North High. She decided to send her son after touring the school, where she noticed a culture of high expectations and students who seemed happy and relaxed.”

    This school with its kids 4-5 grades behind white kids has high expectations? These kids are happy and relaxed? They sure wouldn’t be if they realized what their future holds as functional illiterates in an increasingly complex world.

    https://news.yahoo.com/minneapolis-schools-white-families-asked-164247665.html

  219. What a sadomasochistic race.

  220. @Curle
    @Jonathan Mason

    I’ve heard Uruguay is the place to go.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jonathan Mason, @AndrewR

    Uruguay is wonderful, and I hear great things about Costa Rica

  221. @Reg Cæsar
    @Currahee


    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

     

    Have you been reading Paul Fussell's Class?

    Jonathan Raban, watching people at the Minnesota State Fair, was vouchsafed a spectacle suggesting calculated, vigorously intentional obesity:

    ’These farming families … were the descendants of hungry immigrants from Germany and Scandinavia … Generation by generation, their families had eaten themselves into Americans. Now they all had the same figure: same broad bottom, same buddha belly, same neckless join between turkey-wattle chin and sperm-whale torso. The women had poured themselves into pink elasticized pantsuits; the men swelled against every seam and button of their plaid shirts and Dacron slacks.’

    … Raban found himself so fascinated by U.S.A. fat that he proposes a Fatness Map, which would indicate that the fattest people live in areas where the immigration has been the most recent and ‘ancestral memories of hunger closest.’ On the other hand, ‘states… settled before 1776 would register least in the way of fatty tissue. Girth would generally increase from east to west and from south to north. The flab capital of the U.S.A. should be located somewhere in the triangle of Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas.’
     
    We visited these states' tripoint near Sioux Falls last year, and they didn't look any worse than anywhere else in the interior.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Feryl, @Buffalo Joe

    That is a theory very different from my early hypothesis about weight gain in America.

    My thought was that tens of millions of Americans had left the very physically demanding life on the farm and a limited number of cars to a world where people didn’t move constantly all day and used their cars for everything.

    My best guess was that the pounds came from still eating for farm work.

    Today I think that a lot of overeating comes from junk food and boredom and psychological reasons like stress. Plus of course your chance of being big go up if one parent is big and even more if both parents are. Monkey see, monkey do.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @notsaying

    Lack of physical activity is certainly a contributing factor, but the main issue is the sheer amount of high-fructose corn syrup that is in so much food, and the fact that so many Americans eat like morons.

  222. @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you attribute that decline in sex to? The 80-20 thing (or whatever it is) wherein the vast majority of single women are sharing the most studly men? More single females opting for more sex with females? Video game/porn addiction? All of these factors and more? Just curious what you're take is.

    Replies: @Moses, @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara

    What do you attribute that decline in [men getting] sex to?

    Easy. It’s the internet — Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, dating sites. Also “pump and dump” culture and degradation of the family. And easy birth control. And more career women.

    Women are hardwired to seek the highest status man they can get. In the Before Times, a woman’s mate prospects were confined to her town or workplace, and further confined by actual physical meeting opportunities.

    Nowadays women can get on Tinder and get bombarded with male attention in a 100 mile radius. Why settle? Those top 10% alpha men she lusts after just might give her a date. And often they do, but just to pump & dump her or keep her as a FB.

    Men are hardwired to put their seed into as many women as possible. Now they can, because why wouldn’t they?

    The pump & dump sex & the city culture creates “alpha widows”. The alpha men would never marry most of these women, yet once a woman has had an alpha, however briefly, she’ll never “settle” for an otherwise good man she might have a few generations ago. Hello, cat ladies!

    Plus teaching women that they are subhuman unless they pour their life essence into cubicle careers ironically makes them less likely to marry. Women’s instincts are to marry up. As she moves up the pool of men she’s interested in for marriage shrinks. Double tragedy for her is the men she wants are able to get younger, hotter, more agreeable women. So the men she wants don’t want her. Other men (the majority) are beneath her, invisible to her.

    I know several women like this. Unfortunately for them they aged out of their cuteness chasing alphas before settling down. One bitterly resents being married to a man far below her station. The other is now a wine aunt with cats. The first once told me a hilarious story of a strange woman calling her and screaming to stay away from her husband — turns out the drunk man booty calls she was receiving randomly were from a married man lol. She had no idea.

    Plus easy birth control removes the life-aftering risk of getting preggers.

    Put all this together and stir. No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @Moses

    Their is a prolly unknown to most site for persons living in my immediate vicinity.
    It's...something else. Usually their are about 100 posts and I'd say about 98% are from men.
    I'm still getting used to the whole fluid gender identity thing. Don't get it.
    Here's one i don't get; no fewer than 1/3 of the ads are for straight(as in male) looking for gay or just the oppo. That confuses me. But I'm not gonna ax. Allllllll will be revealed by iSteve in due time i figure. I'm patient.
    No fewer than1/3 of the ads are gay/bi men seeking same. Prolly half(or moar) of those ads include the offer(or looking for) P2P.
    The same 3-4 ads for couples looking for couples and in all those P2P BBC trans gay bi curious is what you get.
    Less than 10% of the posts are straight men seeking a straight woman and in most of those posts a financial reward or "trade"(i.e. P2P) is mentioned.
    Their are 4 posts today from, I'm guessing real women and they even posted pics and I'm extremely doubtful any woman would ever post those pics as authentic and they're not) the exact same 4 that ALWAYS post everyday.
    One is a hirsute lesbian(she thinks)needing to ya know...find out if she's sure. She's pushing an easy 250 plus on the hoof(that's a really pretty dress tho sweety it doesn't look at all like a gown for fat people) and she's not even 5 feet so she's shaped sorta like a box. With a big fucking head. Prolly 30-40 head on those broad shoulders. She also wants you to pay for a hotel room but hey if ya hit it off it could become a regular thing.
    One and three

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Alden
    @Moses

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men's site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @JimDandy, @Moses

    , @BB753
    @Moses

    "No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid."

    You could argue that married men are not getting laid either.

  223. @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you attribute that decline in sex to? The 80-20 thing (or whatever it is) wherein the vast majority of single women are sharing the most studly men? More single females opting for more sex with females? Video game/porn addiction? All of these factors and more? Just curious what you're take is.

    Replies: @Moses, @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara

    Numerous factors have been discussed.

    -Various screens & apps have made young people much more anti-social over the last 15 years. So they’re going out far less often to clubs, bars, house parties, get togethers, etc. Even when they go out, they’re more interested in looking at screen than actually having a prolonged conversation with someone. This makes it MUCH harder for young people to meet individuals from the opposite gender and begin relationships. They’re more interested in what’s happening on their screen than what’s happening in some nightclub.

    -Rising backlash against sexual harassment (“MeToo”) has made men very wary to approach women in workplaces, gyms, public places, nightlife venues, etc. Women are also much more vigilant about taking action against men who are flirtatious.

    -Many young people have retreated to online dating (Tinder, OkCupid, Bumble, etc). The problem is the average women is exceptionally selective online, much moreso than she would be in a real-life interaction. This makes it extremely tough for men to get matches online. Not neccessarily impossible, but online courting is a long&grueling process for most men. Women tend to get many matches, so they like online dating. There is a tendency for a small proportion of men (“Chads”) to monopolize the dating market to some extent, which causes more problems for regular men.

    -The 2008 recession was especially difficult for young men, crippling their employment opportunities and earning power. Even when the labor market recovered, wages didn’t keep pace with the rising cost of living. So with the financial squeeze, far fewer young people could afford to go out to social events or date. Far fewer could afford to get their own place and move out of their parental home. This has decreased the marriage rate substantially.

    -Many young people prefer interacting online, through Facebook Messenger, Instagram DM, Tiktok, Snapchat, and other social media apps. Many grew up interacting with apps and feel like they can express themselves more confidently online. For them, an online “Snapchat party” is preferable to a real-life house party. While these apps may be “fun” to use, they’re very ineffective at facilitating relationships.

    -Porn has provided an outlet to many celibate young men. So have various other sites, like “OnlyFans.”

    -“Helicopter” parents provide far more supervision to their kids these days, which makes it harder for them to have sex.

    -There’s been a crackdown on nightclubs, fraternities, college house parties, intoxicated drivers, and other types of nighttime “fun.” This has made it far harder to hook up.

    -For a variety of reasons, young people seem to drink less now than they once did. So casual flings are less likely to happen now.

    -Rising lesbianism among young women.

    Covid lockdowns and social distancing have likely exacerbated many of the above factors.

  224. @notsaying
    @Reg Cæsar

    That is a theory very different from my early hypothesis about weight gain in America.

    My thought was that tens of millions of Americans had left the very physically demanding life on the farm and a limited number of cars to a world where people didn't move constantly all day and used their cars for everything.

    My best guess was that the pounds came from still eating for farm work.

    Today I think that a lot of overeating comes from junk food and boredom and psychological reasons like stress. Plus of course your chance of being big go up if one parent is big and even more if both parents are. Monkey see, monkey do.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Lack of physical activity is certainly a contributing factor, but the main issue is the sheer amount of high-fructose corn syrup that is in so much food, and the fact that so many Americans eat like morons.

  225. @74v56ruthiyj
    @Arclight

    My intro to diversity was the military. The Blackitude was as shocking as the humidity in Georgia to this Californian suburban kid. We turned to the Southerners and big northeastern city recruits for enlightenment. "That's just how Blacks are", they explained.

    Replies: @Arclight

    When I lived in DC, a lot of my (Dem) coworkers would admit after a few beers that they absolutely hated living in a majority black neighborhood/city and had no idea what that really meant before moving there. It’s a huge eye opener for suburban kids who have been trained all their lives to think that the depictions of diversity are just like fictional characters on TV.

  226. @Reg Cæsar
    @Currahee


    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

     

    Have you been reading Paul Fussell's Class?

    Jonathan Raban, watching people at the Minnesota State Fair, was vouchsafed a spectacle suggesting calculated, vigorously intentional obesity:

    ’These farming families … were the descendants of hungry immigrants from Germany and Scandinavia … Generation by generation, their families had eaten themselves into Americans. Now they all had the same figure: same broad bottom, same buddha belly, same neckless join between turkey-wattle chin and sperm-whale torso. The women had poured themselves into pink elasticized pantsuits; the men swelled against every seam and button of their plaid shirts and Dacron slacks.’

    … Raban found himself so fascinated by U.S.A. fat that he proposes a Fatness Map, which would indicate that the fattest people live in areas where the immigration has been the most recent and ‘ancestral memories of hunger closest.’ On the other hand, ‘states… settled before 1776 would register least in the way of fatty tissue. Girth would generally increase from east to west and from south to north. The flab capital of the U.S.A. should be located somewhere in the triangle of Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas.’
     
    We visited these states' tripoint near Sioux Falls last year, and they didn't look any worse than anywhere else in the interior.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Feryl, @Buffalo Joe

    Blacks are the fattest and the fittest people are in Colorado. Minnesota is leaner than Wisconsin (probably because MN is drier and sunnier). Also, the Mid-Atlantic, Eastern Midwest, and South overall do not do that well on fitness measures esp. once you eliminate more educated whites.

  227. @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you attribute that decline in sex to? The 80-20 thing (or whatever it is) wherein the vast majority of single women are sharing the most studly men? More single females opting for more sex with females? Video game/porn addiction? All of these factors and more? Just curious what you're take is.

    Replies: @Moses, @JohnnyWalker123, @R.G. Camara

    80-20 kicked in with the rise of the internet, massively safe cities (Broken Windows), social encouragement of female casual sex and city life (Sex and the City, Friends, etc.), and big cities having economic booms, thus drawing women to them. Lots of 5’s and 6’s got a night with a top 20% alpha male in cities due to proximity and alcohol and then got their expectations set way above their worth.

    This, in turn, fueled the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some.

    However, while PUA/game offered men some release, it was ultimately unfulfilling, as the 80%-beta really just want a good woman to have sex with regularly, while one night stands, thrilling at first, are unrewarding and sterile — and you get it from used-up women with no feminine instincts and are disappointing in every way. The #MeToo era and the attacks on PUA/Game from feminazis didn’t help. And most men aren’t built for the massive amount of rejection running normal PUA/Game requires (that’s a good thing, btw).

    Plus the divorce-rape industry is sky high, and many guys who have been divorced or are the children of divorce/feminazi moms don’t want any part of that in their lives.

    Ultimately, internet porn/cam girls, masturbation, and/or voluntary (not involuntary) celibacy proved more fulfilling for the 80%-beta men than chasing worthless tail.

    Hence the rise of the MGTOW movement. In short, modern women and sex with them has proven an unrewarding chase. 80%-betas are tired of either trying to cat around or else being some slut’s fallback plan whom she’ll leave after less than a decade of matrimony. MGTOW is far more appealing — as sad as that sounds, and as much as it indicts modern Western women.

    Men are checking out, because, as the Better Bachelor Joker says, the juice ain’t worth the squeeze.

    • Agree: Mark G., Technite78, JimDandy
    • Replies: @Technite78
    @R.G. Camara

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a "really hot guy", or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    They can't, or won't realize that there is a significant proportion of men who will readily lower their standards for commitment-free sex.

    This leads to wildly unrealistic expectations, and eventually great disappointment (for both them and the men who attempt to enter into long term relationships with them).

    Replies: @Alden, @John Johnson

    , @Justvisiting
    @R.G. Camara


    the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some
     
    Regardless of how successful men are using those techniques, they are stunned to see what excellent predictors they are of the behavior of almost all women.

    There are thousands of examples of "if you do this, she will do that" and each of them will have incredibly high "hit" rates.

    The picture painted of modern women is an awful one--and in my view it is that recognition that has created a lot of the MGTOW men.

    For those unfamiliar with these "cruel stereotypes", key ones include short attention span, motion creating emotion, desire for "quick thrills", lack of loyalty, incredible selfishness (often tied to claims of virtue), blatant lying about sexual history, emotional instability and immaturity--overall an expression of the philosophy of solipsism.

    Women can deny it all they want, but men believe what they see with their own eyes, and this stuff is ridiculously easy to test in the most trivial and harmless ways--and women will not know they are being tested.
  228. “Ms. Friestleben” is the perfect cold weather, arch-enemy teacher’s name of some yet unwritten novel. It somehow conjures Frigid and Thistle into the same matriarchal back-of-the-hand slapping teacher of the days of Copperfield.

  229. @Arclight
    @Curle

    Agree - I went from a private school in my earliest years to a large city public school and the behavior and performance of my diverse classmates was impossible to ignore. The frequent fighting, poor self control in the classroom, and the obvious academic deficiencies were on full display day in and day out. I also went to college in a very urban location and from the dorm chatter it was obvious 90% of my classmates had no first hand experience with the blessings of diversity and were struggling with the conflict of what they were supposed to think versus daily existence and the routine dangers of walking home late at night.

    To a large degree, our current moment is a product of millions of people who lived cossetted existences far from actual cultural and economic diversity trying to impose their wished-for version of reality on a world that won't cooperate.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Ed

    Vermont probably has the highest per capita of BLM signs in the country.

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Ed

    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Ed

    Ed, the local group of White, overweight ladies who gather every Saturday at the entrance to our town park now carry signs stating 'Racism is a public health crisis, 'previously it was just BLM signs. Never see those or BLM signs in the inner city and rarely do you see a car with a black driver/owner with bumper stickers.

    , @Jack P
    @Ed

    Yup. I'd put money on that. Biden's approval is highest there.

  230. @Ed
    @Arclight

    Vermont probably has the highest per capita of BLM signs in the country.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack P

    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.
     
    Lol. I do this with my Boomer uncle all the time. He likes to virtue signal how much he likes Blacks and Brown immigrants.

    I retort “Yeah you liked them so much you moved to a wealthy all-White/Jewish enclave as far away from them as you could get. And you socialize only with Jews and Whites.”

    He sputters, but ultimately has no response. It’s my trump card.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

  231. @Moses
    @JimDandy


    What do you attribute that decline in [men getting] sex to?
     
    Easy. It’s the internet — Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, dating sites. Also “pump and dump” culture and degradation of the family. And easy birth control. And more career women.

    Women are hardwired to seek the highest status man they can get. In the Before Times, a woman’s mate prospects were confined to her town or workplace, and further confined by actual physical meeting opportunities.

    Nowadays women can get on Tinder and get bombarded with male attention in a 100 mile radius. Why settle? Those top 10% alpha men she lusts after just might give her a date. And often they do, but just to pump & dump her or keep her as a FB.

    Men are hardwired to put their seed into as many women as possible. Now they can, because why wouldn’t they?

    The pump & dump sex & the city culture creates “alpha widows”. The alpha men would never marry most of these women, yet once a woman has had an alpha, however briefly, she’ll never “settle” for an otherwise good man she might have a few generations ago. Hello, cat ladies!

    Plus teaching women that they are subhuman unless they pour their life essence into cubicle careers ironically makes them less likely to marry. Women’s instincts are to marry up. As she moves up the pool of men she’s interested in for marriage shrinks. Double tragedy for her is the men she wants are able to get younger, hotter, more agreeable women. So the men she wants don’t want her. Other men (the majority) are beneath her, invisible to her.

    I know several women like this. Unfortunately for them they aged out of their cuteness chasing alphas before settling down. One bitterly resents being married to a man far below her station. The other is now a wine aunt with cats. The first once told me a hilarious story of a strange woman calling her and screaming to stay away from her husband — turns out the drunk man booty calls she was receiving randomly were from a married man lol. She had no idea.

    Plus easy birth control removes the life-aftering risk of getting preggers.

    Put all this together and stir. No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.

    Replies: @Tony massey, @Alden, @BB753

    Their is a prolly unknown to most site for persons living in my immediate vicinity.
    It’s…something else. Usually their are about 100 posts and I’d say about 98% are from men.
    I’m still getting used to the whole fluid gender identity thing. Don’t get it.
    Here’s one i don’t get; no fewer than 1/3 of the ads are for straight(as in male) looking for gay or just the oppo. That confuses me. But I’m not gonna ax. Allllllll will be revealed by iSteve in due time i figure. I’m patient.
    No fewer than1/3 of the ads are gay/bi men seeking same. Prolly half(or moar) of those ads include the offer(or looking for) P2P.
    The same 3-4 ads for couples looking for couples and in all those P2P BBC trans gay bi curious is what you get.
    Less than 10% of the posts are straight men seeking a straight woman and in most of those posts a financial reward or “trade”(i.e. P2P) is mentioned.
    Their are 4 posts today from, I’m guessing real women and they even posted pics and I’m extremely doubtful any woman would ever post those pics as authentic and they’re not) the exact same 4 that ALWAYS post everyday.
    One is a hirsute lesbian(she thinks)needing to ya know…find out if she’s sure. She’s pushing an easy 250 plus on the hoof(that’s a really pretty dress tho sweety it doesn’t look at all like a gown for fat people) and she’s not even 5 feet so she’s shaped sorta like a box. With a big fucking head. Prolly 30-40 head on those broad shoulders. She also wants you to pay for a hotel room but hey if ya hit it off it could become a regular thing.
    One and three

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Tony massey

    What does P2P mean?

    Replies: @Tony massey

  232. @PaceLaw
    “My guess is that blacks are probably best off around fewer other blacks, but I’ve never seen this crucial question honestly studied. For example, where’s the tipping point? 10% black? 20% black?”

    Well this sums up the situation quite pithily, doesn’t it? What black-majority city is functioning at a high and civilized manner? None. Are there many majority black high schools around the country that are operating at much more than that basic-competence level? Perhaps the only positive examples are a few historically black colleges, such as Howard and Morehouse, that produce competent graduates.

    The sad reality is that black culture really doesn’t value education very much. Yes, a few of their leaders crow about it all the time, but as a people they really don’t put much value into it, as do whites, Asians or even Latinos. If only everyone could come to this recognition, and stop all of these absurd efforts to change cultural predispositions, we would all be much better off.

    Replies: @Barnard

    Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students? According to Google, Morehouse has a 77% acceptance rate and a 55% graduation rate.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Barnard

    Howard thrives on their name and as with most institutions about 20% of the students are competent and can command decent salaries in the private market.

    However the other 80% often fails to graduate or command decent salaries upon graduation. Morehouse had one of the highest loan default and burden rates of any school in the country. Things got really bad in the 2nd Obama term.

    , @PaceLaw
    @Barnard

    “Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students?”

    As to the quality of current Howard graduates, I would point to our current Vice President. Lol! As Steve Sailer has pointed out, she’s probably the least educated person in her own biological family (her parents and sister are all much better educated and qualified).

    I would submit that schools like Howard and Morehouse have been getting by largely on running on reputation. Morehouse can point to Martin Luther King (as well as Spike Lee and Samuel Jackson), and Howard counts Thurgood Marshall, and now Kamala Harris, as famous alumni. These institutions run on but a handful of successful alums, but in terms of the quality of current graduates, that’s a huge open question.

  233. @Moses
    @JimDandy


    What do you attribute that decline in [men getting] sex to?
     
    Easy. It’s the internet — Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, dating sites. Also “pump and dump” culture and degradation of the family. And easy birth control. And more career women.

    Women are hardwired to seek the highest status man they can get. In the Before Times, a woman’s mate prospects were confined to her town or workplace, and further confined by actual physical meeting opportunities.

    Nowadays women can get on Tinder and get bombarded with male attention in a 100 mile radius. Why settle? Those top 10% alpha men she lusts after just might give her a date. And often they do, but just to pump & dump her or keep her as a FB.

    Men are hardwired to put their seed into as many women as possible. Now they can, because why wouldn’t they?

    The pump & dump sex & the city culture creates “alpha widows”. The alpha men would never marry most of these women, yet once a woman has had an alpha, however briefly, she’ll never “settle” for an otherwise good man she might have a few generations ago. Hello, cat ladies!

    Plus teaching women that they are subhuman unless they pour their life essence into cubicle careers ironically makes them less likely to marry. Women’s instincts are to marry up. As she moves up the pool of men she’s interested in for marriage shrinks. Double tragedy for her is the men she wants are able to get younger, hotter, more agreeable women. So the men she wants don’t want her. Other men (the majority) are beneath her, invisible to her.

    I know several women like this. Unfortunately for them they aged out of their cuteness chasing alphas before settling down. One bitterly resents being married to a man far below her station. The other is now a wine aunt with cats. The first once told me a hilarious story of a strange woman calling her and screaming to stay away from her husband — turns out the drunk man booty calls she was receiving randomly were from a married man lol. She had no idea.

    Plus easy birth control removes the life-aftering risk of getting preggers.

    Put all this together and stir. No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.

    Replies: @Tony massey, @Alden, @BB753

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men’s site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Alden

    Alden, please amend your second sentence to read..."some men of Unz..." We're good and at my age I worry more that a woman would say yes, rather than no.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Alden

    You are SO not getting invited to the UNZ Review Christmas Party.

    , @JimDandy
    @Alden

    I've always gotten laid. And many of the chicks have been, like, super-hot, dude. I was just about to add "and it's been easy." But it hasn't really been easy. For most of my life, getting laid was my highest value. I was driven to do the things that would get me laid. Some of those things were positive, in the sense that I became more successful at life in general. Other things were not, in the sense that they actually pulled my focus away from things that would have made me more successful--professionally, etc. The more I ponder it, the more I think that the reason so many men--young men, not the old creeps you have invented in your head--aren't having sex today is simply because they're lazy. Maybe "lazy" is too negative of a word. Maybe "enlightened" is really the word I'm looking for. "Realistic" might be even better. Porn keeps getting better and better and the quality of real young women keeps getting exponentially worse. And there really is something to the so-called 80-20 rule--getting laid takes a lot more work now for the 80%. It's getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old "Man-O-Sphere" dubbed "The cock carousel")? That's really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    Jordan Peterson got crucified for saying that young men are dealing with this situation today because we are no longer living in a society of "enforced monogamy." The airheads of the left claimed he was asserting that women should be forced to marry. That's the quality of debate these days. There is a burgeoning movement among young "redpilled" dudes to eschew promiscuity and bachelorhood at a fairly young age, find a girl, get married, learn a trade, and have babies. On the one hand, I wish them well. On the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today's culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that "forced monogamy" that Peterson spoke of. There are no social mores left to keep women in line. And make no mistake--women need to be kept in line. This is a one of the central truths of civilization. Look up "Pandora's Box" today and you'll find a link to the video from Texas of the boyfriend who is estranged from his wife shooting dead the enraged ex-husband of the girlfriend who won't let him see his son.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Alden, @John Johnson

    , @Moses
    @Alden

    Ad hominem attacks used when you have no argument.

    I musta hit pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that.

    Stay classy Alden.

    Replies: @Alden

  234. @Anon
    Let’s go polar bear hunting! When I looked at the Asian test scores it didn’t register until Steve pointed out the Hmong angle. This country can’t even get the fancy kind of Asian?!

    Replies: @Spect3r

    Why would any decent human being want to move to USA?

  235. @Paperback Writer
    @AndrewR

    I said make it redder. Did you read that?

    Replies: @Bill

    That’s what he was reacting to. More Republicans is not going to help.

  236. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @mc23
    The tipping point?

    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White. That sounds about right to me although other sources say it can be as low as 70% White.

    The community I live in could be called a small Whiteopia. It about 75% White. The other 25% is a mix of Hispanic, Black and Asians. I think the diversity of the diverse mitigates their effect on the White population. The high school is diverse around 50% but parent teacher night would give you the opposite impression.

    I don't think that most of the community realizes that their cohesiveness is near a tipping point.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

    Where can one find such paradise these days? All the suburban cities in the PNW are now at best 55% white. Just 20 years ago they were 85% white. MexChindians have taken over.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    A lot of rural counties in the Midwest are this way.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Spokane.

    , @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    “Where can one find such paradise these days?“

    White City, Illinois. Seriously, look on the map. Wonderful place.

    Or Mexico. Ask Fred Reed.

  237. @guest007
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    White progressive parents are much better than conservative parents at hiding their motivations. White progressives are good at talking about how bad the principal at their local school, that the local school does not offer certain programs, or that their child's friend are now attending a private school.

    White conservatives are open about mentioning race/ethnicity in their motivations. A movement in Alabama for a white suburb to create their own school district was halted in federal court because all of the white parents could not control their language while discussing the movement in social media.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/02/a-bittersweet-victory-for-school-desegregation/554396/

    Replies: @Bill

    Yes, leftists are liars.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Bill

    The difference is that those on the right know they are not supposed to say that race is the driving force but then cannot control themselves enough to do it. That is why conservatives lose more lawsuits than liberals/progressives.

  238. @R.G. Camara
    @JimDandy

    80-20 kicked in with the rise of the internet, massively safe cities (Broken Windows), social encouragement of female casual sex and city life (Sex and the City, Friends, etc.), and big cities having economic booms, thus drawing women to them. Lots of 5's and 6's got a night with a top 20% alpha male in cities due to proximity and alcohol and then got their expectations set way above their worth.

    This, in turn, fueled the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some.

    However, while PUA/game offered men some release, it was ultimately unfulfilling, as the 80%-beta really just want a good woman to have sex with regularly, while one night stands, thrilling at first, are unrewarding and sterile -- and you get it from used-up women with no feminine instincts and are disappointing in every way. The #MeToo era and the attacks on PUA/Game from feminazis didn't help. And most men aren't built for the massive amount of rejection running normal PUA/Game requires (that's a good thing, btw).

    Plus the divorce-rape industry is sky high, and many guys who have been divorced or are the children of divorce/feminazi moms don't want any part of that in their lives.

    Ultimately, internet porn/cam girls, masturbation, and/or voluntary (not involuntary) celibacy proved more fulfilling for the 80%-beta men than chasing worthless tail.

    Hence the rise of the MGTOW movement. In short, modern women and sex with them has proven an unrewarding chase. 80%-betas are tired of either trying to cat around or else being some slut's fallback plan whom she'll leave after less than a decade of matrimony. MGTOW is far more appealing -- as sad as that sounds, and as much as it indicts modern Western women.

    Men are checking out, because, as the Better Bachelor Joker says, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Justvisiting

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a “really hot guy”, or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    They can’t, or won’t realize that there is a significant proportion of men who will readily lower their standards for commitment-free sex.

    This leads to wildly unrealistic expectations, and eventually great disappointment (for both them and the men who attempt to enter into long term relationships with them).

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Technite78

    And there are a FEW MEN OF UNZ who grossly overestimate their sexual market value and are shocked, shocked I tell you that women aren’t falling all over them.

    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous. Look in the mirror. Might give you a clue why you can’t get laid.

    Sometimes these FEW MEN OF UNZ sound like a Lifetime channel movie of women moaning about why they can’t find a man. Contact Ron Unz and ask if you can post a “we hate women because we can’t get laid” blog on the site.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

    , @John Johnson
    @Technite78

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a “really hot guy”, or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    I don't think that is the problem at all.

    If there is an 80-20 problem it is that 20% of the guys are hitting on 80% of the women. Too many guys hit on a couple women and then give up.

    Do women overrate themselves? Sure but there are a lot of women out there that never get hit on. Sometimes pretty girls don't get hit on because so many men are intimidated by them.

    Too many urban guys are thinking with the man-o-sphere mentality which works against them.

    I used to hit on this cute girl in college and then I found out she was getting married even though she was a freshmen. Turned out she was Mormon and married some total dork.

    That is why this man-o-sphere analysis of women is such a joke. Women are all sluts and whores ....oh unless they are Mormon or Catholic...or...or.....that's different. Well be a f-king Mormon then. Do something other than trying to piegonhole all women. Alden is right that this is all so damn whiney. So you hit on a woman and she didn't rush back to your home to spread after seeing your star wars collectibles. Ok try something different then.

    White man gave up his religion for weak spined globalism and now thinks women should line up for him out of evolutionary duty. Hmmm doesn't seem to be working very well. How many single Catholic guys do you know? I haven't met one in years.

  239. @Curle
    Steve,

    I was bused in Memphis TN for a year to an old closed high school in a bad part of Memphis which was reopened so it could hold the students of a closed black North Memphis elementary school and the students of a white elementary school in a newly annexed suburban neighborhood. This was 1970 and I believe it was an experiment anticipating the result in Mechlenberg. The experiment ultimately resulted in families moving out of the reach of the Memphis authorities (like us) or sending their kids to newly constructed private schools.

    Because of this experience I later researched the subject and in the ‘90s came across an excellent white paper from the Manhattan Institute which I can no longer find.

    I’d encourage you to track this down because it contained much of the standard information but also other, less circulated research current at the time; mainly that busing of the type I described INCREASED white student contempt for black abilities over white students from more segregated schools; that white perceptions of black intellectual abilities decline with greater contact in a school setting. It was this finding that led some black sociologists of the time to reverse course on busing including some of the earlier advocates.

    Having occasionally run into whites who were bused in the ‘70s, my take away is that the experience tended to make such people believers in HBD.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Calvin Hobbes, @guest007, @Joseph Doaks, @Bill

    I had the same experience, going from naive goodwhite to deranged racist as a result of a desegregated school. Contact Theory (the idea that contact with other ethnicities reduces racism) seems completely insane to me, though most academics seem to believe it.

    The only counterexample I’ve personally seen is among some military brats, though even there I’m not so sure it’s a majority. Their experience with diversity features massively positively selected blacks and negatively selected whites, so at least some of them underestimate racial differences. I’d be curious to see research on this topic.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Bill


    Contact Theory (the idea that contact with other ethnicities reduces racism) seems completely insane to me, though most academics seem to believe it.
     
    Contact Theory is based entirely on the false premise that race behavioral differences don’t exist.

    The idea is close contact with Schwartzes will reveal they are just as smart and good at impulse control as Whites. Lol, it’s the opposite.

    Academics all live in supermajority White areas. Have no idea. They need to send their own children to Black schools first.

  240. @R.G. Camara
    @JimDandy

    80-20 kicked in with the rise of the internet, massively safe cities (Broken Windows), social encouragement of female casual sex and city life (Sex and the City, Friends, etc.), and big cities having economic booms, thus drawing women to them. Lots of 5's and 6's got a night with a top 20% alpha male in cities due to proximity and alcohol and then got their expectations set way above their worth.

    This, in turn, fueled the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some.

    However, while PUA/game offered men some release, it was ultimately unfulfilling, as the 80%-beta really just want a good woman to have sex with regularly, while one night stands, thrilling at first, are unrewarding and sterile -- and you get it from used-up women with no feminine instincts and are disappointing in every way. The #MeToo era and the attacks on PUA/Game from feminazis didn't help. And most men aren't built for the massive amount of rejection running normal PUA/Game requires (that's a good thing, btw).

    Plus the divorce-rape industry is sky high, and many guys who have been divorced or are the children of divorce/feminazi moms don't want any part of that in their lives.

    Ultimately, internet porn/cam girls, masturbation, and/or voluntary (not involuntary) celibacy proved more fulfilling for the 80%-beta men than chasing worthless tail.

    Hence the rise of the MGTOW movement. In short, modern women and sex with them has proven an unrewarding chase. 80%-betas are tired of either trying to cat around or else being some slut's fallback plan whom she'll leave after less than a decade of matrimony. MGTOW is far more appealing -- as sad as that sounds, and as much as it indicts modern Western women.

    Men are checking out, because, as the Better Bachelor Joker says, the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Justvisiting

    the rise in PUA/Game (Roosh, Mystery, Roissy), as the 80%-beta of men not getting laid sought to emulate top-20% alpha behavior and get some

    Regardless of how successful men are using those techniques, they are stunned to see what excellent predictors they are of the behavior of almost all women.

    There are thousands of examples of “if you do this, she will do that” and each of them will have incredibly high “hit” rates.

    The picture painted of modern women is an awful one–and in my view it is that recognition that has created a lot of the MGTOW men.

    For those unfamiliar with these “cruel stereotypes”, key ones include short attention span, motion creating emotion, desire for “quick thrills”, lack of loyalty, incredible selfishness (often tied to claims of virtue), blatant lying about sexual history, emotional instability and immaturity–overall an expression of the philosophy of solipsism.

    Women can deny it all they want, but men believe what they see with their own eyes, and this stuff is ridiculously easy to test in the most trivial and harmless ways–and women will not know they are being tested.

  241. @Reg Cæsar
    @Currahee


    There is a lot of bottom in Minneapolis.

     

    Have you been reading Paul Fussell's Class?

    Jonathan Raban, watching people at the Minnesota State Fair, was vouchsafed a spectacle suggesting calculated, vigorously intentional obesity:

    ’These farming families … were the descendants of hungry immigrants from Germany and Scandinavia … Generation by generation, their families had eaten themselves into Americans. Now they all had the same figure: same broad bottom, same buddha belly, same neckless join between turkey-wattle chin and sperm-whale torso. The women had poured themselves into pink elasticized pantsuits; the men swelled against every seam and button of their plaid shirts and Dacron slacks.’

    … Raban found himself so fascinated by U.S.A. fat that he proposes a Fatness Map, which would indicate that the fattest people live in areas where the immigration has been the most recent and ‘ancestral memories of hunger closest.’ On the other hand, ‘states… settled before 1776 would register least in the way of fatty tissue. Girth would generally increase from east to west and from south to north. The flab capital of the U.S.A. should be located somewhere in the triangle of Minnesota, Iowa, and the Dakotas.’
     
    We visited these states' tripoint near Sioux Falls last year, and they didn't look any worse than anywhere else in the interior.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Feryl, @Buffalo Joe

    Reg, I spent 5 hours sitting in the Emergency room at our local suburban hospital. Easily 50% of the people in the ER waiting room were morbidly obese, not stout, chunky or pleasingly plump, but morbidly obese. Another 20% were noticeably overweight. One man could barely get his ass into a wheel chair. All of them were wheeled in and as they attempted to get into a waiting room chair, could barely walk.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe

    Those little wings add up!



    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZnN5_nDbcYg/Uko6W4ztbXI/AAAAAAAAYWI/j3o5-aQrPg8/s1600/IMG_3240.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

  242. @Ed
    @Arclight

    Vermont probably has the highest per capita of BLM signs in the country.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack P

    Ed, the local group of White, overweight ladies who gather every Saturday at the entrance to our town park now carry signs stating ‘Racism is a public health crisis, ‘previously it was just BLM signs. Never see those or BLM signs in the inner city and rarely do you see a car with a black driver/owner with bumper stickers.

    • LOL: Ed
  243. @Alden
    @Moses

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men's site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @JimDandy, @Moses

    Alden, please amend your second sentence to read…”some men of Unz…” We’re good and at my age I worry more that a woman would say yes, rather than no.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    Sorry, very very sorry. I really must remember to write SOME MEN OF UNZ, or even A FEW MEN OF UNZ next time I reply to an ugly creep blaming women for his lack of sex life.

    OT another young White man shot by a black as he returned to Killadelphia’s Temple University after Thanksgiving break.

  244. @Alden
    @Moses

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men's site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @JimDandy, @Moses

    You are SO not getting invited to the UNZ Review Christmas Party.

    • LOL: Alden
  245. @Buffalo Joe
    @Alden

    Alden, please amend your second sentence to read..."some men of Unz..." We're good and at my age I worry more that a woman would say yes, rather than no.

    Replies: @Alden

    Sorry, very very sorry. I really must remember to write SOME MEN OF UNZ, or even A FEW MEN OF UNZ next time I reply to an ugly creep blaming women for his lack of sex life.

    OT another young White man shot by a black as he returned to Killadelphia’s Temple University after Thanksgiving break.

  246. @Technite78
    @R.G. Camara

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a "really hot guy", or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    They can't, or won't realize that there is a significant proportion of men who will readily lower their standards for commitment-free sex.

    This leads to wildly unrealistic expectations, and eventually great disappointment (for both them and the men who attempt to enter into long term relationships with them).

    Replies: @Alden, @John Johnson

    And there are a FEW MEN OF UNZ who grossly overestimate their sexual market value and are shocked, shocked I tell you that women aren’t falling all over them.

    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous. Look in the mirror. Might give you a clue why you can’t get laid.

    Sometimes these FEW MEN OF UNZ sound like a Lifetime channel movie of women moaning about why they can’t find a man. Contact Ron Unz and ask if you can post a “we hate women because we can’t get laid” blog on the site.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous.
     
    Or scream in majuscules online.
    , @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Congratulations, you are the most out-of-touch and obtuse person in the Unz commentariet, which is not to say the entire internet. In fact, you'd fit right in on many of the big-platform discussion threads.

  247. @Anonymous
    @mc23


    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

     

    Where can one find such paradise these days? All the suburban cities in the PNW are now at best 55% white. Just 20 years ago they were 85% white. MexChindians have taken over.

    Replies: @Flip, @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

    A lot of rural counties in the Midwest are this way.

  248. @Alden
    @Moses

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men's site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @JimDandy, @Moses

    I’ve always gotten laid. And many of the chicks have been, like, super-hot, dude. I was just about to add “and it’s been easy.” But it hasn’t really been easy. For most of my life, getting laid was my highest value. I was driven to do the things that would get me laid. Some of those things were positive, in the sense that I became more successful at life in general. Other things were not, in the sense that they actually pulled my focus away from things that would have made me more successful–professionally, etc. The more I ponder it, the more I think that the reason so many men–young men, not the old creeps you have invented in your head–aren’t having sex today is simply because they’re lazy. Maybe “lazy” is too negative of a word. Maybe “enlightened” is really the word I’m looking for. “Realistic” might be even better. Porn keeps getting better and better and the quality of real young women keeps getting exponentially worse. And there really is something to the so-called 80-20 rule–getting laid takes a lot more work now for the 80%. It’s getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    Jordan Peterson got crucified for saying that young men are dealing with this situation today because we are no longer living in a society of “enforced monogamy.” The airheads of the left claimed he was asserting that women should be forced to marry. That’s the quality of debate these days. There is a burgeoning movement among young “redpilled” dudes to eschew promiscuity and bachelorhood at a fairly young age, find a girl, get married, learn a trade, and have babies. On the one hand, I wish them well. On the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of. There are no social mores left to keep women in line. And make no mistake–women need to be kept in line. This is a one of the central truths of civilization. Look up “Pandora’s Box” today and you’ll find a link to the video from Texas of the boyfriend who is estranged from his wife shooting dead the enraged ex-husband of the girlfriend who won’t let him see his son.

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @JimDandy


    It’s getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.
     
    What a paragraph. One chuckles, bitterly. Roosh, is that you?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Alden
    @JimDandy

    I saw the video. The shooter or black shirt was the person who didn’t allow teal shirt or victim on the property to pick up his son. It was none of the shooter’s business. Friends relatives roommates neighbors no one has the right to involve himself in a typical divorced assholes dispute. The Woman didn’t kill teal shirt. Or violate a court order that teal shirt be allowed to pick up his child at that address on a certain day at a certain time. Don’t blame the woman for the killing of teal shirt. Black shirt killed him.

    And don’t claim men, like blacks have no agency and can be helplessly mind controlled by an evil woman to kill the EX husband.

    UNZ is not a young person’s site. It’s middle aged to older and older. The MEN Of UNZ are 50 plus. I didn’t create the old codgers my self. The commenters, like Steve Ron himself Derbyshire Free Reed and others are old. You might be 45. If so you’re one of the younger men on the site.

    All this whining about I can’t get laid and it’s not just the fault of the individual women who rejected me but all women. It’s kinda sorta unmanly nerdy??? Men aren’t supposed to whine.

    Your sex life does not sound enjoyable.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    That is man-o-sphere garbage.

    Women today have fewer sex partners than they did in the 70s and 80s.

    The mean number partners for women is also skewed by a small percentage of mega sluts.
    https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/how-do-your-sex-numbers-compare

    on the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of.

    Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Most single guys don't even do that. They watch TV and go to bed. Same for most single women. In most US cities everyone goes to bed if there isn't a sports game. I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night. In some mid-west cities they don't even keep the bars open late on Sundays.

    The man-o-sphere talks about the "cock carousel" and in reality women are going home to watch Netflix after working some job they hate. That is reality.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Curle, @Alden

  249. Time to buy some real estate in Lake Wobegon.

  250. OT:

    • Thanks: lavoisier
  251. @guest007
    @Feryl

    Local schools lacking children is a function of the demographics of a neighborhood. It is a sign that a neighborhood has aged out of having school age children. However, many school districts have learned the lesson that closing schools and selling the land is a mistake because eventually the old white people move away and younger families move in and create a demand for more schools.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    A high school two miles from my Whitopia was closed for a couple of decades, but reopened, and went through two massive expansion programs to accommodate the continually expanding Brown population. I’m not sure if they need to keep expanding though. The newest tidal wave is of kids whose parents average about 4’8” so maybe they can just squeeze their more compact teenagers into the same volume.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alfa158

    4’8 height people tend to have 5’10 waistlines. So I think it all balances out. Or the schools could remodel for 6’ ceilings.

  252. @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    Detroit avoided the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Riots because of black police chief James Craig.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @anarchyst

    Didn’t Detroit avoid getting looted because it had been so effectively looted over the past several decades that there’s nothing left?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill Jones

    There's always something to loot, and parts of downtown are gentrifying.

  253. @Kronos
    @Veracitor

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bLBPZAiyuwA/TFaMYyURd1I/AAAAAAAAASY/F43kaNsbu7Y/s1600/old_hippie_very_old_hippies_1.jpg

    “Hey man, you gotta learn to chill out! I went to Berkeley in the 1960s man. I kinda wish we had more diversity back then. There should be a bit of color in the classroom man. Back in 1969, we had the cafeteria only serve dark RYE bread to demonstrate our racial solidarity to the Black Panthers. The dean was furious, mainly because it cost a bit more than the white Wonder bread. You know why that bread was white man? It had no nutrition! It’s all carbs and no substance.

    https://res.cloudinary.com/dbrtm8pf6/image/upload/v1582773946/uploads/cfb2c090/products/134/images/black_bread_with_seeds_650g_sliced_square_1582773945.jpg

    By allowing the blacks into the classroom white kids will be exposed to like psychic nutrition! Life in a 1950s suburbs was really dull man. I remember when I first heard Malvina Reynold’s “Little Boxes” song and I was like hey that’s like me man!

    https://youtu.be/VUoXtddNPAM

    I’m so happy the younger kids are getting interested in civil rights man. I mean these Antifa kids remind me a lot of myself when I joined the Weather Underground. We were ready to take down the system and all the pointless rules man! We were doing some cool stuff. I even helped flip over a police car once during a protest! Cars were a lot heavier back then. It really was a group effort to flip them. You got extra points if a fat cop was inside.”

    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/lqt/lqtci8-b78841503z.120110831151328000gu811mk74.1.jpg?w=620

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Galsworthy

    Is that Jimmy Savile?

  254. @Anonymous
    @mc23


    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

     

    Where can one find such paradise these days? All the suburban cities in the PNW are now at best 55% white. Just 20 years ago they were 85% white. MexChindians have taken over.

    Replies: @Flip, @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

    Spokane.

  255. @Bill Jones
    @J.Ross

    Didn't Detroit avoid getting looted because it had been so effectively looted over the past several decades that there's nothing left?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There’s always something to loot, and parts of downtown are gentrifying.

  256. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120

    https://twitter.com/Interstella4L/status/1464435092172980229

    Being a straight male is a bad deal these days. Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Abelard Lindsey, @Achmed E. Newman

    Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    Are they really doing this?

  257. @JimDandy
    @Alden

    I've always gotten laid. And many of the chicks have been, like, super-hot, dude. I was just about to add "and it's been easy." But it hasn't really been easy. For most of my life, getting laid was my highest value. I was driven to do the things that would get me laid. Some of those things were positive, in the sense that I became more successful at life in general. Other things were not, in the sense that they actually pulled my focus away from things that would have made me more successful--professionally, etc. The more I ponder it, the more I think that the reason so many men--young men, not the old creeps you have invented in your head--aren't having sex today is simply because they're lazy. Maybe "lazy" is too negative of a word. Maybe "enlightened" is really the word I'm looking for. "Realistic" might be even better. Porn keeps getting better and better and the quality of real young women keeps getting exponentially worse. And there really is something to the so-called 80-20 rule--getting laid takes a lot more work now for the 80%. It's getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old "Man-O-Sphere" dubbed "The cock carousel")? That's really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    Jordan Peterson got crucified for saying that young men are dealing with this situation today because we are no longer living in a society of "enforced monogamy." The airheads of the left claimed he was asserting that women should be forced to marry. That's the quality of debate these days. There is a burgeoning movement among young "redpilled" dudes to eschew promiscuity and bachelorhood at a fairly young age, find a girl, get married, learn a trade, and have babies. On the one hand, I wish them well. On the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today's culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that "forced monogamy" that Peterson spoke of. There are no social mores left to keep women in line. And make no mistake--women need to be kept in line. This is a one of the central truths of civilization. Look up "Pandora's Box" today and you'll find a link to the video from Texas of the boyfriend who is estranged from his wife shooting dead the enraged ex-husband of the girlfriend who won't let him see his son.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Alden, @John Johnson

    It’s getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    What a paragraph. One chuckles, bitterly. Roosh, is that you?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Goddard

    No, but I'm pretty sure he coined "The Cock-Carousel" phrase. Last I heard he was a "white-pilled" devout Christian who walked away from a life of incessant banging after having the epiphany that it was an empty pursuit.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  258. @Bill
    @guest007

    Yes, leftists are liars.

    Replies: @guest007

    The difference is that those on the right know they are not supposed to say that race is the driving force but then cannot control themselves enough to do it. That is why conservatives lose more lawsuits than liberals/progressives.

  259. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @AnotherDad

    "Believe it or not, white people are not the property of minorities."

    They will be, and sooner than you think. That's the endgame here: white chattel slavery.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    He hits upon the core issue.

    They think they have a right of access to the White Man and all his works.

    This will not end well.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Bill Jones

    You are right, it will not end well.

    Like I say, it will end in white chattel slavery.

  260. @stillCARealist
    @Rob McX

    That's a gorgeous table. I want it.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    See: Brown and blond can work harmoniously.

  261. @Tony massey
    @Moses

    Their is a prolly unknown to most site for persons living in my immediate vicinity.
    It's...something else. Usually their are about 100 posts and I'd say about 98% are from men.
    I'm still getting used to the whole fluid gender identity thing. Don't get it.
    Here's one i don't get; no fewer than 1/3 of the ads are for straight(as in male) looking for gay or just the oppo. That confuses me. But I'm not gonna ax. Allllllll will be revealed by iSteve in due time i figure. I'm patient.
    No fewer than1/3 of the ads are gay/bi men seeking same. Prolly half(or moar) of those ads include the offer(or looking for) P2P.
    The same 3-4 ads for couples looking for couples and in all those P2P BBC trans gay bi curious is what you get.
    Less than 10% of the posts are straight men seeking a straight woman and in most of those posts a financial reward or "trade"(i.e. P2P) is mentioned.
    Their are 4 posts today from, I'm guessing real women and they even posted pics and I'm extremely doubtful any woman would ever post those pics as authentic and they're not) the exact same 4 that ALWAYS post everyday.
    One is a hirsute lesbian(she thinks)needing to ya know...find out if she's sure. She's pushing an easy 250 plus on the hoof(that's a really pretty dress tho sweety it doesn't look at all like a gown for fat people) and she's not even 5 feet so she's shaped sorta like a box. With a big fucking head. Prolly 30-40 head on those broad shoulders. She also wants you to pay for a hotel room but hey if ya hit it off it could become a regular thing.
    One and three

    Replies: @JMcG

    What does P2P mean?

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @JMcG

    Meth but it also can mean pay to play.

  262. @Barnard
    @PaceLaw

    Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students? According to Google, Morehouse has a 77% acceptance rate and a 55% graduation rate.

    Replies: @Ed, @PaceLaw

    Howard thrives on their name and as with most institutions about 20% of the students are competent and can command decent salaries in the private market.

    However the other 80% often fails to graduate or command decent salaries upon graduation. Morehouse had one of the highest loan default and burden rates of any school in the country. Things got really bad in the 2nd Obama term.

  263. As much as Sailer wants to claim this is “bussing” he’s misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never “bussed” out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn’t bussing, it’s just whining…

    • Replies: @Curle
    @mgssf

    “ White people were never “bussed” out to shittier school districts. Just never happened.”

    They were bused to worse schools in the same district. Where? Memphis.

    , @Curle
    @mgssf

    “ White people were never “bussed” out to shittier school districts. Just never happened.”

    “In 1973, the first year of court-ordered busing, Hillcrest was a majority-white school. There were 695 whites, and 374 blacks (most of whom came from the Westwood area). The idea was to improve Hillcrest’s “racial balance” by busing some of its white kids up to Southside, and by busing some more black kids in from Westwood.
    Over the years, though, the white students left Hillcrest. Last year, there were only 188 left, as compared with 589 blacks. “

    “ Over the past ten years, white enrollment in the Memphis City Schools has declined from 71,369 in 1970 to 27,173 in 1980. ”



    https://memphismagazine.com/features/longform/charade-on-wheels-the-tragedy-of-busing/

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @mgssf

    Look at the map Steve's got in his post just for one example. 33 miles! They must have some huge-ass school districts out in Southern Cal.

    I think it's spelled "busing", BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you're thinking "buss bars" for electrical power circuitry.

    Replies: @JMcG, @mgssf

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @mgssf

    No, it’s busing. I grew up with it in Seattle. If you’ve ever looked at a map of the city, you’ll notice it’s a long, 20-mile strip of land surrounded by water. The school district is the city proper. As a child, instead of going to my neighborhood school, in Wallingford, I was bussed across the canal to the Central District so I could go to a majority Black school (to this day Wallingford is only 2% Black). Whites with money fled to private schools. Note that due to Seattle’s unusual topography ‘busing’ often meant 40-50 minute buss rides. The non-Whites from the south were bussed north and the Whites were bused south.

    Since the 2007 SCOTUS ruling (Seattle and Louisville) kids now go their neighborhood schools (hopefully this arrangement survives the Great Awokening…). Whites have returned to the public schools and the schools in the trendy neighborhoods are now 90+% White and rated 9s and 10s.

    In sum, getting bused from north to south and visa versa in a district like Seattle is defacto busing. In most places it’s the equivalent of traveling two towns over. Yes, this is exactly what “busing” is.

    Replies: @Moses, @mgssf

    , @Clyde
    @mgssf

    You are so full of shit, I will not bother quoting you. The American tradition was to go to (attend) the public schools that were the closest to you. What brave new world did you grow up in? When bussing started off, blacks were against it too.

    Judge Arthur Garrity (spit) was infamous for living in the posh suburb of Wellesley, while lording over the Catholic proles of South Boston.

  264. @kaganovitch
    “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.


    Old and tired; "We wuz Kangz!". New hotness; "We is Kangz!"

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “I make a commitment that every child that walks into any doors that I’m leading, that they will feel like royalty,” said Ms. Friestleben, who personally greets students at the doors each morning.

    Yup. They’ll feel they’ll never have to work a day in their lives.

  265. @Barnard
    @PaceLaw

    Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students? According to Google, Morehouse has a 77% acceptance rate and a 55% graduation rate.

    Replies: @Ed, @PaceLaw

    “Howard and Morehouse have a historical reputation for producing competent graduates but is that still true? As more prestigious universities have poached competent blacks from HBCUs in the name of diversity are they still getting decent students?”

    As to the quality of current Howard graduates, I would point to our current Vice President. Lol! As Steve Sailer has pointed out, she’s probably the least educated person in her own biological family (her parents and sister are all much better educated and qualified).

    I would submit that schools like Howard and Morehouse have been getting by largely on running on reputation. Morehouse can point to Martin Luther King (as well as Spike Lee and Samuel Jackson), and Howard counts Thurgood Marshall, and now Kamala Harris, as famous alumni. These institutions run on but a handful of successful alums, but in terms of the quality of current graduates, that’s a huge open question.

  266. @Reg Cæsar
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    These are the bastards who gave us the Kennedys.They voted for Wallace in the primary, then McGovern and Carter in November.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I don’t think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters. Nixon and Reagan were a different story.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    I don’t think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters.

     

    Large Wallace Vote Reflects Depth of Antibusing Sentiment in Boston's Working‐Class Neighborhoods

    NYT, 3.8.76

    Replies: @Hibernian

  267. @Alden
    @Moses

    Speak for yourself Moses. What I always suspected about the MEN OF UNZ can’t get laid so blame women and society in general for the fact that you’re so ugly and creepy no woman wants you. You even blame birth control for the fact you can’t get laid and never could. Because you are an ugly creep.

    Bet you believe no birth control ever existed in any part of the world until 1960 when the pill went on the market.

    I realize this an old men's site, but how old are you? Form an online support group for ugly creeps like you so you can all bitch and complain about your sexless women less lives.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @JimDandy, @Moses

    Ad hominem attacks used when you have no argument.

    I musta hit pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that.

    Stay classy Alden.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Moses

    Whine whine whine I can’t get laid I can’t get laid. It’s all the fault of today’s culture and half the human race that I can’t get laid. Or it’s too much of an effort. Read your post again. You should be embarrassed. Like a Lifetime TV channel for men.

    Replies: @Moses

  268. @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, I spent 5 hours sitting in the Emergency room at our local suburban hospital. Easily 50% of the people in the ER waiting room were morbidly obese, not stout, chunky or pleasingly plump, but morbidly obese. Another 20% were noticeably overweight. One man could barely get his ass into a wheel chair. All of them were wheeled in and as they attempted to get into a waiting room chair, could barely walk.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Those little wings add up!

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing's recipe on.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Sick 'n Tired

  269. @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters. Nixon and Reagan were a different story.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters.

    Large Wallace Vote Reflects Depth of Antibusing Sentiment in Boston’s Working‐Class Neighborhoods

    NYT, 3.8.76

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Divided opposition, he'd mellowed somewhat by that time, and the Boston Irish live in a world of their own.

  270. @JimDandy
    "In a citywide overhaul, a beloved Black high school was rezoned to include white students from a richer neighborhood. It has been hard for everyone."

    Oh, man. This slant is pure comedy.

    Replies: @Jack P

    If anyone voted for this, it’s them. Grab the popcorn.

  271. @Ed
    @Arclight

    Vermont probably has the highest per capita of BLM signs in the country.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo, @Buffalo Joe, @Jack P

    Yup. I’d put money on that. Biden’s approval is highest there.

  272. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Ed

    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.

    Replies: @Moses

    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.

    Lol. I do this with my Boomer uncle all the time. He likes to virtue signal how much he likes Blacks and Brown immigrants.

    I retort “Yeah you liked them so much you moved to a wealthy all-White/Jewish enclave as far away from them as you could get. And you socialize only with Jews and Whites.”

    He sputters, but ultimately has no response. It’s my trump card.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Moses

    In my experience, virtue signalers are using proclamations of "virtue" to hide one or more secret vices.

    Moral folks have no need to brag or interest in proclaiming their virtue.

    Replies: @Moses

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Moses

    My go-to retort. "You couldn't range a black person with an artillery shell from your house." Feel free to use it.

  273. @Bill
    @Curle

    I had the same experience, going from naive goodwhite to deranged racist as a result of a desegregated school. Contact Theory (the idea that contact with other ethnicities reduces racism) seems completely insane to me, though most academics seem to believe it.

    The only counterexample I've personally seen is among some military brats, though even there I'm not so sure it's a majority. Their experience with diversity features massively positively selected blacks and negatively selected whites, so at least some of them underestimate racial differences. I'd be curious to see research on this topic.

    Replies: @Moses

    Contact Theory (the idea that contact with other ethnicities reduces racism) seems completely insane to me, though most academics seem to believe it.

    Contact Theory is based entirely on the false premise that race behavioral differences don’t exist.

    The idea is close contact with Schwartzes will reveal they are just as smart and good at impulse control as Whites. Lol, it’s the opposite.

    Academics all live in supermajority White areas. Have no idea. They need to send their own children to Black schools first.

  274. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    I don’t think many Irish-Americans were Wallace voters.

     

    Large Wallace Vote Reflects Depth of Antibusing Sentiment in Boston's Working‐Class Neighborhoods

    NYT, 3.8.76

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Divided opposition, he’d mellowed somewhat by that time, and the Boston Irish live in a world of their own.

  275. @Goddard
    @JimDandy


    It’s getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.
     
    What a paragraph. One chuckles, bitterly. Roosh, is that you?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    No, but I’m pretty sure he coined “The Cock-Carousel” phrase. Last I heard he was a “white-pilled” devout Christian who walked away from a life of incessant banging after having the epiphany that it was an empty pursuit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @JimDandy

    Roosh walked away because he bled it dry and needed another form of income.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  276. @Franz
    Solution: Give the kids a cheap laptop & let them stay home.

    Thanks to the lockdowns, we know they are no dumber "learning" from their couch than if we'd wasted gas on the bus.

    And gas, a friend in the oil racket already told me, will be hovering slightly above ten bucks a gallon in about 18 months. Finally and literally we can no longer afford this relic 0f the age of the 33 cent gallon. Jack Kerouac and his on-the-road is dead, dead, dead.

    Replies: @jo shmo

    will be hovering slightly above ten bucks a gallon in about 18 months.

    hispanics gonna hate that

    they drive a lot for work

    this could be a real death knell for Biden

    • Replies: @Franz
    @jo shmo


    this could be a real death knell for Biden
     
    I can't see Joe lasting another year.

    And I can't imagine anyone voting for Harris if she gets to be president. Joe managed to get someone worse than him as vice-president. That's quite a hat trick.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  277. @Moses
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.
     
    Lol. I do this with my Boomer uncle all the time. He likes to virtue signal how much he likes Blacks and Brown immigrants.

    I retort “Yeah you liked them so much you moved to a wealthy all-White/Jewish enclave as far away from them as you could get. And you socialize only with Jews and Whites.”

    He sputters, but ultimately has no response. It’s my trump card.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    In my experience, virtue signalers are using proclamations of “virtue” to hide one or more secret vices.

    Moral folks have no need to brag or interest in proclaiming their virtue.

    • Agree: Enemy of Earth
    • Replies: @Moses
    @Justvisiting


    In my experience, virtue signalers are using proclamations of “virtue” to hide one or more secret vices.
     
    Lol yeah same. In business my alarm bells go off whenever I hear someone say “I’m an honest straight-shooter.” Invariably it means “I’m gonna screw you as soon as I can.”

    Truly honest people don’t advertise it.

    I always assume the opposite if someone goes out of his way to assure me he is or isn’t some way. I’ve found this heuristic holds up nearly 100% of the time.
  278. @Bill Jones
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    He hits upon the core issue.

    They think they have a right of access to the White Man and all his works.

    This will not end well.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You are right, it will not end well.

    Like I say, it will end in white chattel slavery.

  279. @mgssf
    As much as Sailer wants to claim this is "bussing" he's misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never "bussed" out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn't bussing, it's just whining...

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous Jew, @Clyde

    “ White people were never “bussed” out to shittier school districts. Just never happened.”

    They were bused to worse schools in the same district. Where? Memphis.

  280. @JimDandy
    @Alden

    I've always gotten laid. And many of the chicks have been, like, super-hot, dude. I was just about to add "and it's been easy." But it hasn't really been easy. For most of my life, getting laid was my highest value. I was driven to do the things that would get me laid. Some of those things were positive, in the sense that I became more successful at life in general. Other things were not, in the sense that they actually pulled my focus away from things that would have made me more successful--professionally, etc. The more I ponder it, the more I think that the reason so many men--young men, not the old creeps you have invented in your head--aren't having sex today is simply because they're lazy. Maybe "lazy" is too negative of a word. Maybe "enlightened" is really the word I'm looking for. "Realistic" might be even better. Porn keeps getting better and better and the quality of real young women keeps getting exponentially worse. And there really is something to the so-called 80-20 rule--getting laid takes a lot more work now for the 80%. It's getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old "Man-O-Sphere" dubbed "The cock carousel")? That's really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    Jordan Peterson got crucified for saying that young men are dealing with this situation today because we are no longer living in a society of "enforced monogamy." The airheads of the left claimed he was asserting that women should be forced to marry. That's the quality of debate these days. There is a burgeoning movement among young "redpilled" dudes to eschew promiscuity and bachelorhood at a fairly young age, find a girl, get married, learn a trade, and have babies. On the one hand, I wish them well. On the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today's culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that "forced monogamy" that Peterson spoke of. There are no social mores left to keep women in line. And make no mistake--women need to be kept in line. This is a one of the central truths of civilization. Look up "Pandora's Box" today and you'll find a link to the video from Texas of the boyfriend who is estranged from his wife shooting dead the enraged ex-husband of the girlfriend who won't let him see his son.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Alden, @John Johnson

    I saw the video. The shooter or black shirt was the person who didn’t allow teal shirt or victim on the property to pick up his son. It was none of the shooter’s business. Friends relatives roommates neighbors no one has the right to involve himself in a typical divorced assholes dispute. The Woman didn’t kill teal shirt. Or violate a court order that teal shirt be allowed to pick up his child at that address on a certain day at a certain time. Don’t blame the woman for the killing of teal shirt. Black shirt killed him.

    And don’t claim men, like blacks have no agency and can be helplessly mind controlled by an evil woman to kill the EX husband.

    UNZ is not a young person’s site. It’s middle aged to older and older. The MEN Of UNZ are 50 plus. I didn’t create the old codgers my self. The commenters, like Steve Ron himself Derbyshire Free Reed and others are old. You might be 45. If so you’re one of the younger men on the site.

    All this whining about I can’t get laid and it’s not just the fault of the individual women who rejected me but all women. It’s kinda sorta unmanly nerdy??? Men aren’t supposed to whine.

    Your sex life does not sound enjoyable.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Ugh, where to even begin with your fallacy-ridden nonsense? Who here is whining "I can't get laid"? You can't help contradicting yourself--the subject was theorizing about why young men are having significantly less sex, and, according to you, THE MEN OF UNZ (including me) are old. So, you're talking gibberish. Again.

    As for the emotional narrative that I used to describe what happened in Texas, I was fucking with you, genius. Also, your reading comprehension sucks. I wasn't talking about my current sex life. But since you're so interested in my sex life, rest assured, it's awesome. It's hot af, dude. Other areas of my life could use some improvement, but I wouldn't want my sex life to be any hotter. I'm an old, old man, as you know--gotta take care of the ol' ticker. You know what I'm saying, bro?

    But here's something we can agree on:

    "Black shirt killed him."

    Yep. He dead. Shouldn't have repeatedly tried to grab that gun.

    Replies: @Alden

  281. @Moses
    @Alden

    Ad hominem attacks used when you have no argument.

    I musta hit pretty close to the mark to get you all riled up like that.

    Stay classy Alden.

    Replies: @Alden

    Whine whine whine I can’t get laid I can’t get laid. It’s all the fault of today’s culture and half the human race that I can’t get laid. Or it’s too much of an effort. Read your post again. You should be embarrassed. Like a Lifetime TV channel for men.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Alden

    Lol I stand by everything I wrote x2.

    You attack not only ad hominem, but halucinatory ad hominem. The Moses you attack bitterly exists only in your imagination.

    I’m married with 5 kids lol.

    A lot of anti-man hate and bile you’ve bottled up there, lashing out and gnashing your teeth constantly. I feel sorry for your husband, if you have one.

    Or maybe you’re a wine aunt cat lady who aged out futilely chasing alpha men. That would explain a lot.

    Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned.

    Bisous.

    Replies: @Alden

  282. @Alfa158
    @guest007

    A high school two miles from my Whitopia was closed for a couple of decades, but reopened, and went through two massive expansion programs to accommodate the continually expanding Brown population. I’m not sure if they need to keep expanding though. The newest tidal wave is of kids whose parents average about 4’8” so maybe they can just squeeze their more compact teenagers into the same volume.

    Replies: @Alden

    4’8 height people tend to have 5’10 waistlines. So I think it all balances out. Or the schools could remodel for 6’ ceilings.

  283. @Justvisiting
    @Moses

    In my experience, virtue signalers are using proclamations of "virtue" to hide one or more secret vices.

    Moral folks have no need to brag or interest in proclaiming their virtue.

    Replies: @Moses

    In my experience, virtue signalers are using proclamations of “virtue” to hide one or more secret vices.

    Lol yeah same. In business my alarm bells go off whenever I hear someone say “I’m an honest straight-shooter.” Invariably it means “I’m gonna screw you as soon as I can.”

    Truly honest people don’t advertise it.

    I always assume the opposite if someone goes out of his way to assure me he is or isn’t some way. I’ve found this heuristic holds up nearly 100% of the time.

  284. @mgssf
    As much as Sailer wants to claim this is "bussing" he's misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never "bussed" out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn't bussing, it's just whining...

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous Jew, @Clyde

    “ White people were never “bussed” out to shittier school districts. Just never happened.”

    “In 1973, the first year of court-ordered busing, Hillcrest was a majority-white school. There were 695 whites, and 374 blacks (most of whom came from the Westwood area). The idea was to improve Hillcrest’s “racial balance” by busing some of its white kids up to Southside, and by busing some more black kids in from Westwood.
    Over the years, though, the white students left Hillcrest. Last year, there were only 188 left, as compared with 589 blacks. “

    “ Over the past ten years, white enrollment in the Memphis City Schools has declined from 71,369 in 1970 to 27,173 in 1980. ”

    https://memphismagazine.com/features/longform/charade-on-wheels-the-tragedy-of-busing/

  285. @jo shmo
    @Franz


    will be hovering slightly above ten bucks a gallon in about 18 months.
     
    hispanics gonna hate that

    they drive a lot for work

    this could be a real death knell for Biden

    Replies: @Franz

    this could be a real death knell for Biden

    I can’t see Joe lasting another year.

    And I can’t imagine anyone voting for Harris if she gets to be president. Joe managed to get someone worse than him as vice-president. That’s quite a hat trick.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Franz

    It really doesn't matter who is president -- Biden, Harris, Fritz the Cat. The White House does not actually govern anything. It is just the public face of the regime (not the republic, or "our democracy" as they now absurdly style it, but the regime). In reality, we are ruled (ruled, mind you, not governed) by billionaires, tech oligarchs, and a hidden junta of men whose names are not known to you.

    It's been this way for a while, actually.

    Replies: @Franz

  286. @Alden
    @JimDandy

    I saw the video. The shooter or black shirt was the person who didn’t allow teal shirt or victim on the property to pick up his son. It was none of the shooter’s business. Friends relatives roommates neighbors no one has the right to involve himself in a typical divorced assholes dispute. The Woman didn’t kill teal shirt. Or violate a court order that teal shirt be allowed to pick up his child at that address on a certain day at a certain time. Don’t blame the woman for the killing of teal shirt. Black shirt killed him.

    And don’t claim men, like blacks have no agency and can be helplessly mind controlled by an evil woman to kill the EX husband.

    UNZ is not a young person’s site. It’s middle aged to older and older. The MEN Of UNZ are 50 plus. I didn’t create the old codgers my self. The commenters, like Steve Ron himself Derbyshire Free Reed and others are old. You might be 45. If so you’re one of the younger men on the site.

    All this whining about I can’t get laid and it’s not just the fault of the individual women who rejected me but all women. It’s kinda sorta unmanly nerdy??? Men aren’t supposed to whine.

    Your sex life does not sound enjoyable.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Ugh, where to even begin with your fallacy-ridden nonsense? Who here is whining “I can’t get laid”? You can’t help contradicting yourself–the subject was theorizing about why young men are having significantly less sex, and, according to you, THE MEN OF UNZ (including me) are old. So, you’re talking gibberish. Again.

    As for the emotional narrative that I used to describe what happened in Texas, I was fucking with you, genius. Also, your reading comprehension sucks. I wasn’t talking about my current sex life. But since you’re so interested in my sex life, rest assured, it’s awesome. It’s hot af, dude. Other areas of my life could use some improvement, but I wouldn’t want my sex life to be any hotter. I’m an old, old man, as you know–gotta take care of the ol’ ticker. You know what I’m saying, bro?

    But here’s something we can agree on:

    “Black shirt killed him.”

    Yep. He dead. Shouldn’t have repeatedly tried to grab that gun.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JimDandy

    You do realize that all those STD cesspools you entered infected you with all their STDs and you infected others with your STDs. You’re the person public health departments look for when there’s a new variant of STDs in town. You’re the Typhoid Mary of STDs. And what’s the purpose of telling internet strangers about your sex life?

    Replies: @JimDandy

  287. @JMcG
    @Tony massey

    What does P2P mean?

    Replies: @Tony massey

    Meth but it also can mean pay to play.

    • Thanks: JMcG
  288. @Alden
    @Moses

    Whine whine whine I can’t get laid I can’t get laid. It’s all the fault of today’s culture and half the human race that I can’t get laid. Or it’s too much of an effort. Read your post again. You should be embarrassed. Like a Lifetime TV channel for men.

    Replies: @Moses

    Lol I stand by everything I wrote x2.

    You attack not only ad hominem, but halucinatory ad hominem. The Moses you attack bitterly exists only in your imagination.

    I’m married with 5 kids lol.

    A lot of anti-man hate and bile you’ve bottled up there, lashing out and gnashing your teeth constantly. I feel sorry for your husband, if you have one.

    Or maybe you’re a wine aunt cat lady who aged out futilely chasing alpha men. That would explain a lot.

    Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned.

    Bisous.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Moses

    You don’t have 5 kids or a wife or any relationship with a woman. You spend your life in the internet reading about other men bitching they can’t get laid.
    Start a blog. wehatewomenbecausewecantgetlaid

    Replies: @Moses

  289. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111607604348805120

    https://twitter.com/Interstella4L/status/1464435092172980229

    Being a straight male is a bad deal these days. Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Abelard Lindsey, @Achmed E. Newman

    Perhaps this is why so many young men want to become Trans-Ams?

    Or, at least make out in them.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  290. @mgssf
    As much as Sailer wants to claim this is "bussing" he's misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never "bussed" out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn't bussing, it's just whining...

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous Jew, @Clyde

    Look at the map Steve’s got in his post just for one example. 33 miles! They must have some huge-ass school districts out in Southern Cal.

    I think it’s spelled “busing”, BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you’re thinking “buss bars” for electrical power circuitry.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Electric circuits have bus bars. Bussing is kissing, I think. Don’t buss a bus bar.

    , @mgssf
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I think it’s spelled “busing”, BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you’re thinking “buss bars” for electrical power circuitry.
     
    "bussing" and "busing" are both correct (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bussing)
  291. @Anonymous
    @mc23


    According to an article in Slate a Whitopia is a suburban or exurban county that is at least 85 percent non-Hispanic White.

     

    Where can one find such paradise these days? All the suburban cities in the PNW are now at best 55% white. Just 20 years ago they were 85% white. MexChindians have taken over.

    Replies: @Flip, @JohnnyWalker123, @Corvinus

    “Where can one find such paradise these days?“

    White City, Illinois. Seriously, look on the map. Wonderful place.

    Or Mexico. Ask Fred Reed.

  292. @JimDandy
    @Goddard

    No, but I'm pretty sure he coined "The Cock-Carousel" phrase. Last I heard he was a "white-pilled" devout Christian who walked away from a life of incessant banging after having the epiphany that it was an empty pursuit.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Roosh walked away because he bled it dry and needed another form of income.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Corvinus

    I'm sure that's one factor. The fact that he had become Public Enemy #1 in the eyes of the MSM and the Antifa-set probably contributed--press showing up at his mom's home, flash mobs attacking him at bars, the narrative that he was the leader of a pro-rape gang set in stone by the media, etc. Plus, a life dedicated to banging as many chicks as possible is obviously dismally empty. I doubt there's much money to be made in the White-Pill-O-Sphere, but who knows.

  293. @Alden
    @Bragadocious

    As I recall. The south Boston Irish had to either surrender to Judge Garrity ‘s savages , or flee to catholic schools. and or the suburbs.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Brutusale

    Which is why the tuition at my suburban Catholic high school went from \$250/year in 1973 to \$750/year for 1976.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Brutusale

    Yep. Philadelphia Archdiocese elementary schools are around 4K a year, High Schools are around 10k. Most of that is due to the lack of nuns and priests teaching for next to nothing.
    There was a Catholic elementary school in Southwest Philadelphia back in the 50s and 60s that was the biggest elementary school in the country.
    Most Blessed Sacrament had 3000+kids in eight grades. All gone with the wind now.

  294. @Achmed E. Newman
    @mgssf

    Look at the map Steve's got in his post just for one example. 33 miles! They must have some huge-ass school districts out in Southern Cal.

    I think it's spelled "busing", BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you're thinking "buss bars" for electrical power circuitry.

    Replies: @JMcG, @mgssf

    Electric circuits have bus bars. Bussing is kissing, I think. Don’t buss a bus bar.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  295. @Brutusale
    @Alden

    Which is why the tuition at my suburban Catholic high school went from $250/year in 1973 to $750/year for 1976.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Yep. Philadelphia Archdiocese elementary schools are around 4K a year, High Schools are around 10k. Most of that is due to the lack of nuns and priests teaching for next to nothing.
    There was a Catholic elementary school in Southwest Philadelphia back in the 50s and 60s that was the biggest elementary school in the country.
    Most Blessed Sacrament had 3000+kids in eight grades. All gone with the wind now.

  296. @mgssf
    As much as Sailer wants to claim this is "bussing" he's misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never "bussed" out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn't bussing, it's just whining...

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous Jew, @Clyde

    No, it’s busing. I grew up with it in Seattle. If you’ve ever looked at a map of the city, you’ll notice it’s a long, 20-mile strip of land surrounded by water. The school district is the city proper. As a child, instead of going to my neighborhood school, in Wallingford, I was bussed across the canal to the Central District so I could go to a majority Black school (to this day Wallingford is only 2% Black). Whites with money fled to private schools. Note that due to Seattle’s unusual topography ‘busing’ often meant 40-50 minute buss rides. The non-Whites from the south were bussed north and the Whites were bused south.

    Since the 2007 SCOTUS ruling (Seattle and Louisville) kids now go their neighborhood schools (hopefully this arrangement survives the Great Awokening…). Whites have returned to the public schools and the schools in the trendy neighborhoods are now 90+% White and rated 9s and 10s.

    In sum, getting bused from north to south and visa versa in a district like Seattle is defacto busing. In most places it’s the equivalent of traveling two towns over. Yes, this is exactly what “busing” is.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @Moses
    @Anonymous Jew

    Care to share your experiences in a majority enriched school? It helped develop your critical thinking skills, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    , @mgssf
    @Anonymous Jew

    What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons. It happened because the federal court demanded it, and was a big failure. https://www.historylink.org/file/3939

    I didn't know about this, so point taken. But the busing that everyone protested in the 70's and 80's was about voluntary bussing of minorities into white neighborhood schools. Cases like Seattle were super rare, and mandated by courts when the state failed to integrate schools after the Brown decision.

    But I stand by my original point - this is not what is happening in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Curle

  297. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe

    Those little wings add up!



    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZnN5_nDbcYg/Uko6W4ztbXI/AAAAAAAAYWI/j3o5-aQrPg8/s1600/IMG_3240.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at \$2.89/lb, while drumsticks were \$1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing’s recipe on.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Clyde

    Thank you - wings are the nastiest, most overrated, gristly food in the USA.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Clyde


    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much.
     
    The alternatives in Upstate New York are beef on weck, spiedies, and something called a "garbage plate".
    , @John Johnson
    @Clyde

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing’s recipe on.

    Well they were once cheap bar food but then corporate America figured out that they could sell them as standard faire.

    Chicken thighs are the real bargain. They make great tacos in a slow cooker.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @Clyde

    Too much work for too little reward. Better off ordering chicken tenders or boneless wings which are glorified chicken nuggets.

  298. @mgssf
    As much as Sailer wants to claim this is "bussing" he's misleading everyone. Bussing is when a student leaves the district to another (better) one. White people were never "bussed" out to shittier school districts. Just never happened. The controversy was always around the fact black kids from disadvantaged places were going to be in school with your kids.

    In this case, all students are staying within the Minneapolis school district. They are changing how students are assigned to schools within the district. So this isn't bussing, it's just whining...

    Replies: @Curle, @Curle, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous Jew, @Clyde

    You are so full of shit, I will not bother quoting you. The American tradition was to go to (attend) the public schools that were the closest to you. What brave new world did you grow up in? When bussing started off, blacks were against it too.

    Judge Arthur Garrity (spit) was infamous for living in the posh suburb of Wellesley, while lording over the Catholic proles of South Boston.

  299. @Moses
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo


    I frequently mock diversity enthusiasts who have somehow managed to ensconce themselves in de facto all-white communities. They REALLY take offense.
     
    Lol. I do this with my Boomer uncle all the time. He likes to virtue signal how much he likes Blacks and Brown immigrants.

    I retort “Yeah you liked them so much you moved to a wealthy all-White/Jewish enclave as far away from them as you could get. And you socialize only with Jews and Whites.”

    He sputters, but ultimately has no response. It’s my trump card.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    My go-to retort. “You couldn’t range a black person with an artillery shell from your house.” Feel free to use it.

  300. @Corvinus
    @JimDandy

    Roosh walked away because he bled it dry and needed another form of income.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I’m sure that’s one factor. The fact that he had become Public Enemy #1 in the eyes of the MSM and the Antifa-set probably contributed–press showing up at his mom’s home, flash mobs attacking him at bars, the narrative that he was the leader of a pro-rape gang set in stone by the media, etc. Plus, a life dedicated to banging as many chicks as possible is obviously dismally empty. I doubt there’s much money to be made in the White-Pill-O-Sphere, but who knows.

  301. @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing's recipe on.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Sick 'n Tired

    Thank you – wings are the nastiest, most overrated, gristly food in the USA.

  302. @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing's recipe on.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Sick 'n Tired

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much.

    The alternatives in Upstate New York are beef on weck, spiedies, and something called a “garbage plate”.

  303. For those of you having trouble remembering how to spell busing, think of it as abusing after Teacher rescinded the A.

    • Thanks: Tony massey
  304. @Alden
    @Technite78

    And there are a FEW MEN OF UNZ who grossly overestimate their sexual market value and are shocked, shocked I tell you that women aren’t falling all over them.

    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous. Look in the mirror. Might give you a clue why you can’t get laid.

    Sometimes these FEW MEN OF UNZ sound like a Lifetime channel movie of women moaning about why they can’t find a man. Contact Ron Unz and ask if you can post a “we hate women because we can’t get laid” blog on the site.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous.

    Or scream in majuscules online.

  305. @Alden
    @Technite78

    And there are a FEW MEN OF UNZ who grossly overestimate their sexual market value and are shocked, shocked I tell you that women aren’t falling all over them.

    And then these FEW MEN OF UNZ claim the only reason they can’t get get laid is that all women are tattooed obese green haired and hideous. Look in the mirror. Might give you a clue why you can’t get laid.

    Sometimes these FEW MEN OF UNZ sound like a Lifetime channel movie of women moaning about why they can’t find a man. Contact Ron Unz and ask if you can post a “we hate women because we can’t get laid” blog on the site.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @JimDandy

    Congratulations, you are the most out-of-touch and obtuse person in the Unz commentariet, which is not to say the entire internet. In fact, you’d fit right in on many of the big-platform discussion threads.

  306. @Moses
    @Alden

    Lol I stand by everything I wrote x2.

    You attack not only ad hominem, but halucinatory ad hominem. The Moses you attack bitterly exists only in your imagination.

    I’m married with 5 kids lol.

    A lot of anti-man hate and bile you’ve bottled up there, lashing out and gnashing your teeth constantly. I feel sorry for your husband, if you have one.

    Or maybe you’re a wine aunt cat lady who aged out futilely chasing alpha men. That would explain a lot.

    Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned.

    Bisous.

    Replies: @Alden

    You don’t have 5 kids or a wife or any relationship with a woman. You spend your life in the internet reading about other men bitching they can’t get laid.
    Start a blog. wehatewomenbecausewecantgetlaid

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Alden

    Lol ok.

    I hope you heal someday. Some man must have hurt you badly.

  307. @Anon
    @J.Ross

    Maybe because Detroit didn't have any stores worth robbing. Do they even have a Louis Vuitton? Maybe because Detroit merchants always lock everything up behind cases? If the Detroit cell phone stores weren't already locking up, they would be stupid and crazy.

    Replies: @Alden

    Detroit had a department store called Hudson’s. Not Bergdof’s Saks or Nieman Marcus. But equivalent to Marshall Fields in Chicago or Nordstrom’s in Seattle. Very high end. Gone with the Black Plague like everything else in Detroit.

  308. @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Ugh, where to even begin with your fallacy-ridden nonsense? Who here is whining "I can't get laid"? You can't help contradicting yourself--the subject was theorizing about why young men are having significantly less sex, and, according to you, THE MEN OF UNZ (including me) are old. So, you're talking gibberish. Again.

    As for the emotional narrative that I used to describe what happened in Texas, I was fucking with you, genius. Also, your reading comprehension sucks. I wasn't talking about my current sex life. But since you're so interested in my sex life, rest assured, it's awesome. It's hot af, dude. Other areas of my life could use some improvement, but I wouldn't want my sex life to be any hotter. I'm an old, old man, as you know--gotta take care of the ol' ticker. You know what I'm saying, bro?

    But here's something we can agree on:

    "Black shirt killed him."

    Yep. He dead. Shouldn't have repeatedly tried to grab that gun.

    Replies: @Alden

    You do realize that all those STD cesspools you entered infected you with all their STDs and you infected others with your STDs. You’re the person public health departments look for when there’s a new variant of STDs in town. You’re the Typhoid Mary of STDs. And what’s the purpose of telling internet strangers about your sex life?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Why do you keep interrogating me about my sex life? Is it because you're secretly a celibate homosexual, and you hate heterosexual men because, like, they used to pick on you in gym class and called you "pansy" and "gaywad" and, perhaps, "El Dorko"? Serious question. Also, what do they call the gay incels like you? Bagatelles?

    Replies: @Alden

  309. @Anonymous Jew
    @mgssf

    No, it’s busing. I grew up with it in Seattle. If you’ve ever looked at a map of the city, you’ll notice it’s a long, 20-mile strip of land surrounded by water. The school district is the city proper. As a child, instead of going to my neighborhood school, in Wallingford, I was bussed across the canal to the Central District so I could go to a majority Black school (to this day Wallingford is only 2% Black). Whites with money fled to private schools. Note that due to Seattle’s unusual topography ‘busing’ often meant 40-50 minute buss rides. The non-Whites from the south were bussed north and the Whites were bused south.

    Since the 2007 SCOTUS ruling (Seattle and Louisville) kids now go their neighborhood schools (hopefully this arrangement survives the Great Awokening…). Whites have returned to the public schools and the schools in the trendy neighborhoods are now 90+% White and rated 9s and 10s.

    In sum, getting bused from north to south and visa versa in a district like Seattle is defacto busing. In most places it’s the equivalent of traveling two towns over. Yes, this is exactly what “busing” is.

    Replies: @Moses, @mgssf

    Care to share your experiences in a majority enriched school? It helped develop your critical thinking skills, right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @Moses

    It was, shall we say, an enlightening experience and one of the reasons that I’m posting here. What amazes me is that it only red pilled some of us. I’ve kept in touch with a few people that went through the same experience and still vote left, but they also have a certain caution around the Black masses. They preach blank slate, but you couldn’t pay them to live in a Black neighborhood. Religion makes us do and say strange things.

  310. @JimDandy
    @Alden

    I've always gotten laid. And many of the chicks have been, like, super-hot, dude. I was just about to add "and it's been easy." But it hasn't really been easy. For most of my life, getting laid was my highest value. I was driven to do the things that would get me laid. Some of those things were positive, in the sense that I became more successful at life in general. Other things were not, in the sense that they actually pulled my focus away from things that would have made me more successful--professionally, etc. The more I ponder it, the more I think that the reason so many men--young men, not the old creeps you have invented in your head--aren't having sex today is simply because they're lazy. Maybe "lazy" is too negative of a word. Maybe "enlightened" is really the word I'm looking for. "Realistic" might be even better. Porn keeps getting better and better and the quality of real young women keeps getting exponentially worse. And there really is something to the so-called 80-20 rule--getting laid takes a lot more work now for the 80%. It's getting harder and harder to justify leaving the womb of internet porn, games, etc. to go out and listen to some delusional green-haired harpy talk about her awesomeness over drinks he still has to pay for. And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old "Man-O-Sphere" dubbed "The cock carousel")? That's really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    Jordan Peterson got crucified for saying that young men are dealing with this situation today because we are no longer living in a society of "enforced monogamy." The airheads of the left claimed he was asserting that women should be forced to marry. That's the quality of debate these days. There is a burgeoning movement among young "redpilled" dudes to eschew promiscuity and bachelorhood at a fairly young age, find a girl, get married, learn a trade, and have babies. On the one hand, I wish them well. On the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today's culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that "forced monogamy" that Peterson spoke of. There are no social mores left to keep women in line. And make no mistake--women need to be kept in line. This is a one of the central truths of civilization. Look up "Pandora's Box" today and you'll find a link to the video from Texas of the boyfriend who is estranged from his wife shooting dead the enraged ex-husband of the girlfriend who won't let him see his son.

    Replies: @Goddard, @Alden, @John Johnson

    And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    That is man-o-sphere garbage.

    Women today have fewer sex partners than they did in the 70s and 80s.

    The mean number partners for women is also skewed by a small percentage of mega sluts.
    https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/how-do-your-sex-numbers-compare

    on the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of.

    Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Most single guys don’t even do that. They watch TV and go to bed. Same for most single women. In most US cities everyone goes to bed if there isn’t a sports game. I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night. In some mid-west cities they don’t even keep the bars open late on Sundays.

    The man-o-sphere talks about the “cock carousel” and in reality women are going home to watch Netflix after working some job they hate. That is reality.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @John Johnson

    "That is man-o-sphere garbage."

    I think you simply don't know what you're talking about here. The Tinder cock-carousel was/is very, VERY real, bro. (Not sure how Covid impacted things.) It could be that the less-attractive 50% of women are essentially incels, too, thus skewing the numbers. But the pre-Covid online fuckathon is fact.

    You're dead right about this, though:

    "Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag?"

    The point is that marriage has gotten much riskier for men--the system is absolutely biased against men in every way, and the chances of a man getting his life ruined--or actually ended--by marriage are not remote. If you disagree on that point, you're just crazy.

    But, yeah, what is the alternative to marriage, beyond being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Welllllllllllllll... celibacy. Which would explain why more young guys are celibate these days. Which was the subject of the discussion.

    Personally, I feel that I am cool and sexy and lovable and smart enough to not be destroyed by marriage. But I understand the trepidation of the untermensch. I genuinely feel for those kinds of guys, especially when I think back to the days when I used to fuck their wives.

    , @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night.”

    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    , @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Cock carousal thought I’d driven the men who used that phrase off this site and back to porn and celibate weirdo pervert chat rooms.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  311. @Franz
    @jo shmo


    this could be a real death knell for Biden
     
    I can't see Joe lasting another year.

    And I can't imagine anyone voting for Harris if she gets to be president. Joe managed to get someone worse than him as vice-president. That's quite a hat trick.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It really doesn’t matter who is president — Biden, Harris, Fritz the Cat. The White House does not actually govern anything. It is just the public face of the regime (not the republic, or “our democracy” as they now absurdly style it, but the regime). In reality, we are ruled (ruled, mind you, not governed) by billionaires, tech oligarchs, and a hidden junta of men whose names are not known to you.

    It’s been this way for a while, actually.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    It really doesn’t matter who is president
     
    True enough.

    Every once in awhile it's fun to a sort of twisted National Enquirer amongst the few, the strange, the chosen Public Face of our NSA-run junta.

    Consider they have to make it convincing to SOMEBODY. Given we have a senile chief executive and the least-popular VP in memory, it's difficult to see how they can find something convincing here.

    Thing is they will. It will be nutters but the "citizens" will accept it as Holy Writ.
  312. @Alden
    @JimDandy

    You do realize that all those STD cesspools you entered infected you with all their STDs and you infected others with your STDs. You’re the person public health departments look for when there’s a new variant of STDs in town. You’re the Typhoid Mary of STDs. And what’s the purpose of telling internet strangers about your sex life?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Why do you keep interrogating me about my sex life? Is it because you’re secretly a celibate homosexual, and you hate heterosexual men because, like, they used to pick on you in gym class and called you “pansy” and “gaywad” and, perhaps, “El Dorko”? Serious question. Also, what do they call the gay incels like you? Bagatelles?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JimDandy

    You’re the one who treated us to your sex life of spreading STDs from one unattractive one night stand to another. I don’t think you realize that a 98 percent male site can comment on things other than boasting about a lifetime of unpleasant one night stands.

    Those who do do. Those who don’t brag about doing.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  313. @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing's recipe on.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Sick 'n Tired

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at \$2.89/lb, while drumsticks were \$1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing’s recipe on.

    Well they were once cheap bar food but then corporate America figured out that they could sell them as standard faire.

    Chicken thighs are the real bargain. They make great tacos in a slow cooker.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @John Johnson


    Chicken thighs are the real bargain. They make great tacos in a slow cooker.
     
    They are usually about the same price as drumsticks. Both are dark meat which I like better. Looks like you are making delicious taco filling. I like peasant type food. One day I will try this -- The Chinese steam a whole chicken. Let it cool down. Refrigerate. Hack into pieces. Serve with various dipping sauces. Salsa can be one. Serve with rice and whatever else. I have eaten this in Chinese restaurants.
  314. Back to the subject….

    If you truly believed in equality then why would you support busing?

    You are just making kids sit in a long bus ride when they could be learning.

    If you really, I mean really believed that all kids are equal then you wouldn’t want to risk having little racist crackers trying to victimize Black kids.

    It really shows that liberal Whites don’t actually believe in equality on a subconscious level. They either believe that:
    1. White kids/teachers need to rub their middle class juju onto Black kids to help them reach equality
    or
    2. Don’t believe in equality but support pretending to believe in order to slow down gifted White kids by putting them in ghetto schools and getting gifted Black kids out of them.

    Group #1 is the majority of egalitarian Whites. Think White Democrat moms in the burbs that believe that race doesn’t exist. Group #2 unfortunately is the majority of White liberal teachers that have been around Blacks. Policy makers that support pretending to believe in equality and pushing down Whites when possible. That is why so many liberal teachers rallied around Common Core. It helps push down the better White students.

  315. @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    That is man-o-sphere garbage.

    Women today have fewer sex partners than they did in the 70s and 80s.

    The mean number partners for women is also skewed by a small percentage of mega sluts.
    https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/how-do-your-sex-numbers-compare

    on the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of.

    Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Most single guys don't even do that. They watch TV and go to bed. Same for most single women. In most US cities everyone goes to bed if there isn't a sports game. I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night. In some mid-west cities they don't even keep the bars open late on Sundays.

    The man-o-sphere talks about the "cock carousel" and in reality women are going home to watch Netflix after working some job they hate. That is reality.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Curle, @Alden

    “That is man-o-sphere garbage.”

    I think you simply don’t know what you’re talking about here. The Tinder cock-carousel was/is very, VERY real, bro. (Not sure how Covid impacted things.) It could be that the less-attractive 50% of women are essentially incels, too, thus skewing the numbers. But the pre-Covid online fuckathon is fact.

    You’re dead right about this, though:

    “Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag?”

    The point is that marriage has gotten much riskier for men–the system is absolutely biased against men in every way, and the chances of a man getting his life ruined–or actually ended–by marriage are not remote. If you disagree on that point, you’re just crazy.

    But, yeah, what is the alternative to marriage, beyond being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Welllllllllllllll… celibacy. Which would explain why more young guys are celibate these days. Which was the subject of the discussion.

    Personally, I feel that I am cool and sexy and lovable and smart enough to not be destroyed by marriage. But I understand the trepidation of the untermensch. I genuinely feel for those kinds of guys, especially when I think back to the days when I used to fuck their wives.

  316. @Clyde
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing's recipe on.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson, @Sick 'n Tired

    Too much work for too little reward. Better off ordering chicken tenders or boneless wings which are glorified chicken nuggets.

  317. @Achmed E. Newman
    @mgssf

    Look at the map Steve's got in his post just for one example. 33 miles! They must have some huge-ass school districts out in Southern Cal.

    I think it's spelled "busing", BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you're thinking "buss bars" for electrical power circuitry.

    Replies: @JMcG, @mgssf

    I think it’s spelled “busing”, BTW, but I may have gotten it wrong due to my poor schooling in a place full of White kids. Maybe you’re thinking “buss bars” for electrical power circuitry.

    “bussing” and “busing” are both correct (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bussing)

  318. @Anonymous Jew
    @mgssf

    No, it’s busing. I grew up with it in Seattle. If you’ve ever looked at a map of the city, you’ll notice it’s a long, 20-mile strip of land surrounded by water. The school district is the city proper. As a child, instead of going to my neighborhood school, in Wallingford, I was bussed across the canal to the Central District so I could go to a majority Black school (to this day Wallingford is only 2% Black). Whites with money fled to private schools. Note that due to Seattle’s unusual topography ‘busing’ often meant 40-50 minute buss rides. The non-Whites from the south were bussed north and the Whites were bused south.

    Since the 2007 SCOTUS ruling (Seattle and Louisville) kids now go their neighborhood schools (hopefully this arrangement survives the Great Awokening…). Whites have returned to the public schools and the schools in the trendy neighborhoods are now 90+% White and rated 9s and 10s.

    In sum, getting bused from north to south and visa versa in a district like Seattle is defacto busing. In most places it’s the equivalent of traveling two towns over. Yes, this is exactly what “busing” is.

    Replies: @Moses, @mgssf

    What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons. It happened because the federal court demanded it, and was a big failure. https://www.historylink.org/file/3939

    I didn’t know about this, so point taken. But the busing that everyone protested in the 70’s and 80’s was about voluntary bussing of minorities into white neighborhood schools. Cases like Seattle were super rare, and mandated by courts when the state failed to integrate schools after the Brown decision.

    But I stand by my original point – this is not what is happening in Minneapolis.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @mgssf

    “ What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons.”

    White children were not bused out of their district, they were bused to black schools within the City of Seattle school district. Same as the white kids bused to black schools within the Memphis School District which, at the time, was the largest school district in the country to bus children to achieve integration. In Memphis the busing was court ordered. In Seattle it was done pre-emptively to avoid court ordered busing.

    You are now trying to claw back your overly broad statement that white kids weren’t bused to black schools. Such a claim is false. The different districts stuff is a senseless modifier because the busing of white kids to black schools tended to be within districts such as Seattle and Memphis.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  319. @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    That is man-o-sphere garbage.

    Women today have fewer sex partners than they did in the 70s and 80s.

    The mean number partners for women is also skewed by a small percentage of mega sluts.
    https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/how-do-your-sex-numbers-compare

    on the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of.

    Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Most single guys don't even do that. They watch TV and go to bed. Same for most single women. In most US cities everyone goes to bed if there isn't a sports game. I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night. In some mid-west cities they don't even keep the bars open late on Sundays.

    The man-o-sphere talks about the "cock carousel" and in reality women are going home to watch Netflix after working some job they hate. That is reality.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Curle, @Alden

    “ I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night.”

    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle


    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

     

    They should reopen Skid Road. Water parks are big now.


    https://josephineensign.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/p1020326.jpg
    , @John Johnson
    @Curle

    So you are saying Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?

    Good Lord can Hollywood not tell us the truth about anything?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  320. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night.”

    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

    They should reopen Skid Road. Water parks are big now.

  321. @Curle
    @John Johnson

    “ I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night.”

    Seattle nightlife was lame even during its supposed ‘90s heyday.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    So you are saying Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?

    Good Lord can Hollywood not tell us the truth about anything?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @John Johnson

    "Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?"

    Well, there's lame and there's lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn't exactly lame.

    I spent a summer in Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time. The place wasn't exactly a rave machine, but it was fun while also being sort of measured and reasonable. In my view, it was rather preferable to the filthy dangerous madhouse that was the Avenue A of my youth. One of the most un-fun places I've ever been in was the Viper Room, an overhyped spot if there ever was one.

    Spend some time on Sixth Street in Austin TX. Great music, but too many drunk college kids. I have a habit of talking to cab drivers, and every driver in Austin told me they routinely had to clean puke out of their cab after picking up a ride on Sixth. Many of them refuse to work Sixth Street, and of those that do, many won't pick up anybody under 30.

    If drunken puking college kids is the definition of fun, then give me a shot of lame, and make it a double.

    Replies: @Curle, @John Johnson

  322. @Technite78
    @R.G. Camara

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a "really hot guy", or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    They can't, or won't realize that there is a significant proportion of men who will readily lower their standards for commitment-free sex.

    This leads to wildly unrealistic expectations, and eventually great disappointment (for both them and the men who attempt to enter into long term relationships with them).

    Replies: @Alden, @John Johnson

    There are a lot of single, urban women who overestimate their sexual market value because they once hooked up a “really hot guy”, or occasionally get hit on by a high sexual market value male.

    I don’t think that is the problem at all.

    If there is an 80-20 problem it is that 20% of the guys are hitting on 80% of the women. Too many guys hit on a couple women and then give up.

    Do women overrate themselves? Sure but there are a lot of women out there that never get hit on. Sometimes pretty girls don’t get hit on because so many men are intimidated by them.

    Too many urban guys are thinking with the man-o-sphere mentality which works against them.

    I used to hit on this cute girl in college and then I found out she was getting married even though she was a freshmen. Turned out she was Mormon and married some total dork.

    That is why this man-o-sphere analysis of women is such a joke. Women are all sluts and whores ….oh unless they are Mormon or Catholic…or…or…..that’s different. Well be a f-king Mormon then. Do something other than trying to piegonhole all women. Alden is right that this is all so damn whiney. So you hit on a woman and she didn’t rush back to your home to spread after seeing your star wars collectibles. Ok try something different then.

    White man gave up his religion for weak spined globalism and now thinks women should line up for him out of evolutionary duty. Hmmm doesn’t seem to be working very well. How many single Catholic guys do you know? I haven’t met one in years.

    • Thanks: Alden
  323. @John Johnson
    @Curle

    So you are saying Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?

    Good Lord can Hollywood not tell us the truth about anything?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?”

    Well, there’s lame and there’s lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn’t exactly lame.

    I spent a summer in Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time. The place wasn’t exactly a rave machine, but it was fun while also being sort of measured and reasonable. In my view, it was rather preferable to the filthy dangerous madhouse that was the Avenue A of my youth. One of the most un-fun places I’ve ever been in was the Viper Room, an overhyped spot if there ever was one.

    Spend some time on Sixth Street in Austin TX. Great music, but too many drunk college kids. I have a habit of talking to cab drivers, and every driver in Austin told me they routinely had to clean puke out of their cab after picking up a ride on Sixth. Many of them refuse to work Sixth Street, and of those that do, many won’t pick up anybody under 30.

    If drunken puking college kids is the definition of fun, then give me a shot of lame, and make it a double.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “ Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time.”

    And did what? Drink at the Frontier room with all the mopey plaid shirt guys? The Buckaroo?

    I get your point, but I was there as well at that time and found Seattle boring compared, at least, to DC at that time. I think DC had one thing Seattle never had, an high female to male ratio. Seems to make for a much different scene. I’m only average looking but got an uncharacteristic amount of female attention in that town at that time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @John Johnson
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Well, there’s lame and there’s lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn’t exactly lame.

    LOL yes I guess if you compared Seattle to the middle of Ohio then it isn't so bad.

    I would take just about any mid-west city over Seattle for bars though. I couldn't believe how many bars in Seattle are just for tourists and have awful food.

    Seattle has to be one of the fakest cities I have ever visited. LA is fake as hell but they at least have a lot of night options. In Seattle there are all these rehabbed dive bars with the same boring interiors selling the same $7 beers and $12 wings. If that isn't bad enough they are all filled with depressed looking liberals that look like they want to kill themselves. I'd rather drink beers in Memphis and risk getting shot while going to the hotel.

  324. @Alden
    @Moses

    You don’t have 5 kids or a wife or any relationship with a woman. You spend your life in the internet reading about other men bitching they can’t get laid.
    Start a blog. wehatewomenbecausewecantgetlaid

    Replies: @Moses

    Lol ok.

    I hope you heal someday. Some man must have hurt you badly.

  325. @Bragadocious
    @Alden

    They had a third choice, and it was this. (You won't see this in Minnesota)

    https://image.slidesharecdn.com/thesoilingofoldglory-analysis-150203145819-conversion-gate01/95/the-soiling-of-old-glory-analysis-14-1024.jpg

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @duncsbaby

    You won’t see it in Boston anymore either.

  326. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Franz

    It really doesn't matter who is president -- Biden, Harris, Fritz the Cat. The White House does not actually govern anything. It is just the public face of the regime (not the republic, or "our democracy" as they now absurdly style it, but the regime). In reality, we are ruled (ruled, mind you, not governed) by billionaires, tech oligarchs, and a hidden junta of men whose names are not known to you.

    It's been this way for a while, actually.

    Replies: @Franz

    It really doesn’t matter who is president

    True enough.

    Every once in awhile it’s fun to a sort of twisted National Enquirer amongst the few, the strange, the chosen Public Face of our NSA-run junta.

    Consider they have to make it convincing to SOMEBODY. Given we have a senile chief executive and the least-popular VP in memory, it’s difficult to see how they can find something convincing here.

    Thing is they will. It will be nutters but the “citizens” will accept it as Holy Writ.

  327. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @John Johnson

    "Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?"

    Well, there's lame and there's lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn't exactly lame.

    I spent a summer in Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time. The place wasn't exactly a rave machine, but it was fun while also being sort of measured and reasonable. In my view, it was rather preferable to the filthy dangerous madhouse that was the Avenue A of my youth. One of the most un-fun places I've ever been in was the Viper Room, an overhyped spot if there ever was one.

    Spend some time on Sixth Street in Austin TX. Great music, but too many drunk college kids. I have a habit of talking to cab drivers, and every driver in Austin told me they routinely had to clean puke out of their cab after picking up a ride on Sixth. Many of them refuse to work Sixth Street, and of those that do, many won't pick up anybody under 30.

    If drunken puking college kids is the definition of fun, then give me a shot of lame, and make it a double.

    Replies: @Curle, @John Johnson

    “ Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time.”

    And did what? Drink at the Frontier room with all the mopey plaid shirt guys? The Buckaroo?

    I get your point, but I was there as well at that time and found Seattle boring compared, at least, to DC at that time. I think DC had one thing Seattle never had, an high female to male ratio. Seems to make for a much different scene. I’m only average looking but got an uncharacteristic amount of female attention in that town at that time.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Curle

    I get your point, but I was there as well at that time and found Seattle boring compared, at least, to DC at that time. I think DC had one thing Seattle never had, an high female to male ratio.

    DC has a ton of the miserable working White woman type. Women that went out there to fix inequality or work a non-profit and now have some awful job that just pays the bills. They are happy to party after a day of doing boring input for some amoral lobby.

    The male/female ratio in Seattle is ridiculous. It's where unattractive women can have guys with 6 figure salaries line up for them. I have a friend there that makes 200k and he is in dating app hell. He ain't that great looking so there is too much competition with all the tech guys. I live in rural America where a month ago I saw a pirate looking guy with a good looking woman at Wally world. They had 4 kids and he clearly wore the pants. According to the man-o-spere that is completely impossible. I would probably believe that if I lived in Seattle.

    If I were single again I would probably go to Nashville. Great bar scene if you don't mind country music.

  328. @Curle
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “ Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time.”

    And did what? Drink at the Frontier room with all the mopey plaid shirt guys? The Buckaroo?

    I get your point, but I was there as well at that time and found Seattle boring compared, at least, to DC at that time. I think DC had one thing Seattle never had, an high female to male ratio. Seems to make for a much different scene. I’m only average looking but got an uncharacteristic amount of female attention in that town at that time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I get your point, but I was there as well at that time and found Seattle boring compared, at least, to DC at that time. I think DC had one thing Seattle never had, an high female to male ratio.

    DC has a ton of the miserable working White woman type. Women that went out there to fix inequality or work a non-profit and now have some awful job that just pays the bills. They are happy to party after a day of doing boring input for some amoral lobby.

    The male/female ratio in Seattle is ridiculous. It’s where unattractive women can have guys with 6 figure salaries line up for them. I have a friend there that makes 200k and he is in dating app hell. He ain’t that great looking so there is too much competition with all the tech guys. I live in rural America where a month ago I saw a pirate looking guy with a good looking woman at Wally world. They had 4 kids and he clearly wore the pants. According to the man-o-spere that is completely impossible. I would probably believe that if I lived in Seattle.

    If I were single again I would probably go to Nashville. Great bar scene if you don’t mind country music.

    • Thanks: Curle
  329. @Moses
    @Anonymous Jew

    Care to share your experiences in a majority enriched school? It helped develop your critical thinking skills, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    It was, shall we say, an enlightening experience and one of the reasons that I’m posting here. What amazes me is that it only red pilled some of us. I’ve kept in touch with a few people that went through the same experience and still vote left, but they also have a certain caution around the Black masses. They preach blank slate, but you couldn’t pay them to live in a Black neighborhood. Religion makes us do and say strange things.

  330. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @John Johnson

    "Seattle had a lame singles scene even when that movie Singles came out?"

    Well, there's lame and there's lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn't exactly lame.

    I spent a summer in Seattle at the height of the grunge craze and went out all the time. The place wasn't exactly a rave machine, but it was fun while also being sort of measured and reasonable. In my view, it was rather preferable to the filthy dangerous madhouse that was the Avenue A of my youth. One of the most un-fun places I've ever been in was the Viper Room, an overhyped spot if there ever was one.

    Spend some time on Sixth Street in Austin TX. Great music, but too many drunk college kids. I have a habit of talking to cab drivers, and every driver in Austin told me they routinely had to clean puke out of their cab after picking up a ride on Sixth. Many of them refuse to work Sixth Street, and of those that do, many won't pick up anybody under 30.

    If drunken puking college kids is the definition of fun, then give me a shot of lame, and make it a double.

    Replies: @Curle, @John Johnson

    Well, there’s lame and there’s lame. Gambier, Ohio is lame. Princeton NJ is lame. Seattle isn’t exactly lame.

    LOL yes I guess if you compared Seattle to the middle of Ohio then it isn’t so bad.

    I would take just about any mid-west city over Seattle for bars though. I couldn’t believe how many bars in Seattle are just for tourists and have awful food.

    Seattle has to be one of the fakest cities I have ever visited. LA is fake as hell but they at least have a lot of night options. In Seattle there are all these rehabbed dive bars with the same boring interiors selling the same \$7 beers and \$12 wings. If that isn’t bad enough they are all filled with depressed looking liberals that look like they want to kill themselves. I’d rather drink beers in Memphis and risk getting shot while going to the hotel.

  331. @mgssf
    @Anonymous Jew

    What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons. It happened because the federal court demanded it, and was a big failure. https://www.historylink.org/file/3939

    I didn't know about this, so point taken. But the busing that everyone protested in the 70's and 80's was about voluntary bussing of minorities into white neighborhood schools. Cases like Seattle were super rare, and mandated by courts when the state failed to integrate schools after the Brown decision.

    But I stand by my original point - this is not what is happening in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Curle

    “ What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons.”

    White children were not bused out of their district, they were bused to black schools within the City of Seattle school district. Same as the white kids bused to black schools within the Memphis School District which, at the time, was the largest school district in the country to bus children to achieve integration. In Memphis the busing was court ordered. In Seattle it was done pre-emptively to avoid court ordered busing.

    You are now trying to claw back your overly broad statement that white kids weren’t bused to black schools. Such a claim is false. The different districts stuff is a senseless modifier because the busing of white kids to black schools tended to be within districts such as Seattle and Memphis.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Curle

    Speaking of rogue lawyer-judges, a left-wing, NC activist judge has ordered government bureaucrats to flush $1.7B more on that state's of course crappy skool system.

  332. @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    Detroit avoided the Summer of Mostly Peaceful Riots because of black police chief James Craig.

    Replies: @Anon, @Bill Jones, @anarchyst

    You are correct.

    One of the first things Chief Craig did was to make a public statement supporting the law-abiding citizens of Detroit, recommending that they arm themselves. He publicly stated that he had no fear of the law-abiding citizenry possessing arms for self-defense.

    This was in contrast to previous police chiefs who actively discouraged the law-abiding citizens from obtaining firearms by purposely delaying the handgun “purchase permit” acquisition process, quite often for months.

    That all changed when Chief Craig came on the scene.

  333. @Curle
    @mgssf

    “ What you are describing is busing, and one of the few exceptions where white people were bused out of their district for racial reasons.”

    White children were not bused out of their district, they were bused to black schools within the City of Seattle school district. Same as the white kids bused to black schools within the Memphis School District which, at the time, was the largest school district in the country to bus children to achieve integration. In Memphis the busing was court ordered. In Seattle it was done pre-emptively to avoid court ordered busing.

    You are now trying to claw back your overly broad statement that white kids weren’t bused to black schools. Such a claim is false. The different districts stuff is a senseless modifier because the busing of white kids to black schools tended to be within districts such as Seattle and Memphis.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Speaking of rogue lawyer-judges, a left-wing, NC activist judge has ordered government bureaucrats to flush \$1.7B more on that state’s of course crappy skool system.

    • Thanks: Curle
  334. @John Johnson
    @Clyde

    I will never get why people like chicken wings so much. They are insanely greasy and have little meat on them. Today they are more expensive than legitimate chicken. I saw wings at $2.89/lb, while drumsticks were $1.09/lb. Any smart person will buy the drums, to use their favorite wing’s recipe on.

    Well they were once cheap bar food but then corporate America figured out that they could sell them as standard faire.

    Chicken thighs are the real bargain. They make great tacos in a slow cooker.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Chicken thighs are the real bargain. They make great tacos in a slow cooker.

    They are usually about the same price as drumsticks. Both are dark meat which I like better. Looks like you are making delicious taco filling. I like peasant type food. One day I will try this — The Chinese steam a whole chicken. Let it cool down. Refrigerate. Hack into pieces. Serve with various dipping sauces. Salsa can be one. Serve with rice and whatever else. I have eaten this in Chinese restaurants.

  335. @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    And for what? He gets to see her pasty, prematurely-flabby body semi-naked for half an hour? He gets to bust a nut in a place that has seen countless cocks before his (and will see countless cocks after his, as she continues to ride what the old “Man-O-Sphere” dubbed “The cock carousel”)? That’s really just an inferior form of masturbation, compared to the comfort and quality of jacking off at home to sexy 10s.

    That is man-o-sphere garbage.

    Women today have fewer sex partners than they did in the 70s and 80s.

    The mean number partners for women is also skewed by a small percentage of mega sluts.
    https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/how-do-your-sex-numbers-compare

    on the other hand, the idea of getting married and having kids in today’s culture seems very dangerous, precisely because there is none of that “forced monogamy” that Peterson spoke of.

    Everything has risk. What is the alternative to marriage? Being single and trolling the local bar for some hag? Most single guys don't even do that. They watch TV and go to bed. Same for most single women. In most US cities everyone goes to bed if there isn't a sports game. I was downtown Seattle a few years ago and I could not believe how lame it was at night. In some mid-west cities they don't even keep the bars open late on Sundays.

    The man-o-sphere talks about the "cock carousel" and in reality women are going home to watch Netflix after working some job they hate. That is reality.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Curle, @Alden

    Cock carousal thought I’d driven the men who used that phrase off this site and back to porn and celibate weirdo pervert chat rooms.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alden

    So incredibly delusional.

  336. @JimDandy
    @Alden

    Why do you keep interrogating me about my sex life? Is it because you're secretly a celibate homosexual, and you hate heterosexual men because, like, they used to pick on you in gym class and called you "pansy" and "gaywad" and, perhaps, "El Dorko"? Serious question. Also, what do they call the gay incels like you? Bagatelles?

    Replies: @Alden

    You’re the one who treated us to your sex life of spreading STDs from one unattractive one night stand to another. I don’t think you realize that a 98 percent male site can comment on things other than boasting about a lifetime of unpleasant one night stands.

    Those who do do. Those who don’t brag about doing.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alden

    98% MEN OF UNZ!!!! Yeeha! Your reading comprehension is at second grade level, but that doesn't stop you from endlessly bloviating nonsensical responses. You do do you, boo.

  337. @Alden
    @JimDandy

    You’re the one who treated us to your sex life of spreading STDs from one unattractive one night stand to another. I don’t think you realize that a 98 percent male site can comment on things other than boasting about a lifetime of unpleasant one night stands.

    Those who do do. Those who don’t brag about doing.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    98% MEN OF UNZ!!!! Yeeha! Your reading comprehension is at second grade level, but that doesn’t stop you from endlessly bloviating nonsensical responses. You do do you, boo.

  338. @Alden
    @John Johnson

    Cock carousal thought I’d driven the men who used that phrase off this site and back to porn and celibate weirdo pervert chat rooms.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    So incredibly delusional.

  339. @Moses
    @JimDandy


    What do you attribute that decline in [men getting] sex to?
     
    Easy. It’s the internet — Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, dating sites. Also “pump and dump” culture and degradation of the family. And easy birth control. And more career women.

    Women are hardwired to seek the highest status man they can get. In the Before Times, a woman’s mate prospects were confined to her town or workplace, and further confined by actual physical meeting opportunities.

    Nowadays women can get on Tinder and get bombarded with male attention in a 100 mile radius. Why settle? Those top 10% alpha men she lusts after just might give her a date. And often they do, but just to pump & dump her or keep her as a FB.

    Men are hardwired to put their seed into as many women as possible. Now they can, because why wouldn’t they?

    The pump & dump sex & the city culture creates “alpha widows”. The alpha men would never marry most of these women, yet once a woman has had an alpha, however briefly, she’ll never “settle” for an otherwise good man she might have a few generations ago. Hello, cat ladies!

    Plus teaching women that they are subhuman unless they pour their life essence into cubicle careers ironically makes them less likely to marry. Women’s instincts are to marry up. As she moves up the pool of men she’s interested in for marriage shrinks. Double tragedy for her is the men she wants are able to get younger, hotter, more agreeable women. So the men she wants don’t want her. Other men (the majority) are beneath her, invisible to her.

    I know several women like this. Unfortunately for them they aged out of their cuteness chasing alphas before settling down. One bitterly resents being married to a man far below her station. The other is now a wine aunt with cats. The first once told me a hilarious story of a strange woman calling her and screaming to stay away from her husband — turns out the drunk man booty calls she was receiving randomly were from a married man lol. She had no idea.

    Plus easy birth control removes the life-aftering risk of getting preggers.

    Put all this together and stir. No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.

    Replies: @Tony massey, @Alden, @BB753

    “No surprise at all most unmarried men not getting laid.”

    You could argue that married men are not getting laid either.

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