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From the New Daily in Australia:
10:24pm, Jul 2, 2022 Updated: 4h ago
The Stats Guy: Increase in Indigenous population a proud moment for Australia
There is plenty of work to be done to close the gap, but the trend is going in the right direction.
Simon Kuestenmacher
Earlier in the week I was able to have a sneak peak at the Census data. The joys of writing a column include getting embargoed press releases the night before data is officially launched.
One figure, more than anything else, jumped out at me. Australia’s Indigenous population went up steeply to 813,000 people (3.2 per cent of the population).
This increase of 25 per cent compared to 2016 data is huge. Obviously, this increase can’t, by definition, be driven by migration and wasn’t the result of an outrageously high birth rate either. Rather, more people self-identified as Indigenous on the census form.
Social progress always feels painfully slow for the relevant cohort but zooming out, looking at longitudinal data, allows us to be much more optimistic about societal trends.
We collectively created an environment where more people are confident enough to proclaim their heritage loudly and proudly.
There is plenty of work to be done to close the gap, but the trend is going in the right direction.
Let’s have a look at what the census data teaches us about the Indigenous population in Australia. This journey through the data shows how big the gap is, but it also shows that we are making progress.
… There is still a 16 per cent household income gap. The median Indigenous household takes home \$78,000 per year, while the median figure in Australia lies at \$91,000. Same story as with the age data – there is a big gap but it’s narrowing.
Indigenous incomes grew faster (+25 per cent) over the past five years than the Australian average (+21 per cent). …
In contrast to Billy Wilder’s line for Greta Garbo in Ninotchka, “The last mass trials were a great success. There are going to be fewer but better Russians!” the Australian Establishment’s theory seems to be to concoct more but better Aborigines.
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Interesting, because the American aboriginal population is now shrinking.
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?
"In 2020, the number of people who identified as Native American and Alaska Native (AIAN) alone and in combination with another race was 9.7 million, up from 5.2 million in 2010. They now account for 2.9% of all the people living in the United States, according to the Census Bureau"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/us/census-native-americans-rise-population/index.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20number%20of,according%20to%20the%20Census%20Bureau.
If one was trying to be snarky in claiming that whites are aboriginal, then one should look up the definition. Of course, part of the problem is different countries use different terms such as Native Americans in the U.S. versus First Nations in Canada, to Indigenous peoples in MexicoReplies: @AnotherDad
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.Replies: @Flip, @Bardon Kaldian, @Thea, @Hangnail Hans
Q: Dear Mr. Question Man, if Australia is on the bottom of the world, why don’t people fall off?
A: Well, you’ve stated a common misconception. People are falling off all the time!Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hangnail Hans, @Guest007, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Ganderson
Do you think this is because signing up as a Native American is increasingly restricted by tribes trying to keep the membership rolls tight so as to avoid diluting gambling revenues?
Do any readers in Australia know how hard is it to get registered as an ‘official’ Aborigine?
Officially there are three tests to be regarded as an Aborigine for government purposes, and all three must be met:
1. Must have at least one Aboriginal ancestor (ie, was living in Australia before 1788). The proportion of Aboriginal ancestry - however low - the claimant has does not matter.
2. Most regard oneself as Aboriginal.
3. Must be regarded as Aboriginal by an Aboriginal organisation (in effect, an organisation that the government regards as an Aboriginal organisation, so starting one's own such organistion won't work).
There are many quite pale Aborigines who probably have always qualified on requirement 1 but regarded themselves as white Australians until recently; but now have decided to meet requirements 2 and 3, either for ideological reasons or to get some of the Abo-only moolah on offer from the government. This accounts for most of the increase in numbers seen in census stats.
There are also persons with zero Aboriginal ancestry who claim it for the same reasons, and in some circumstances can get away with it. For example, there are health centres that provide medical care free of charge for Aborigines - but since the staff are not permitted to question would-be patients about their Aboriginality, anyone can turn up and ask for free healthcare. (As all Australians have access to more-or-less free medical care anyway, this isn't actually rorted very much.)Replies: @angmoh
https://www.smh.com.au/national/25-per-cent-jump-in-people-identifying-as-indigenous-splits-community-leaders-20220702-p5ayjp.html
Not everyone was so delighted by the increase, however.
Nathan Moran, the chief executive of the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council, said the census increase demonstrated the need for an official review into Aboriginal self-identification.
Rather than the current question – which asks respondents whether they are of “Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander origin” – he wants the ABS to ask: “Are you a verified or authenticated Aboriginal person?”
“I think the ABS question is misleading, not productive and ineffective,” he said. “This has caused a skewing in the number of Aboriginal people. It creates, for some, the illusion that we have a much larger population than practical reality.”
The good news is, once we've all self-identified as indigineous we'll be getting more land handed over to us:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/plan-to-transfer-10-per-cent-of-nsw-to-traditional-owners-within-two-decades-20220702-p5ayjb.html
Only after she was too high profile did it collapse.
Rather, more people self-identified as Indigenous on the census form.
Well, yeah, when you give a population special privileges, more people will step up and claim their membership.
I suspect you are on to something.
Is it because of rules which hand out special privileges? Such rules can winkle out the one sixteenth castes who want to cash in on such benefits.
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hangnail Hans, @Guest007, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Ganderson
Not hardly. At the current time 95% of Americans west of the Mississippi River now claim Amerind heritage. East of the Mississippi it’s only 75%.
75.001% if you count Liz Warren & her family.
When we lived in Oz a leading Abo activist was revealed to have no Abo blood at all – part white, part African. Then again, when we lived in NZ a leading Maori activist was revealed to be entirely Irish.
Many "partial" ones look completely White. I guess faking is easy enough, especially if you live in the remote Outback.
Wherever there is easy grift, you will get plenty of grifters.
In the Good Old Days, "passing for White" was a thing too...
They’re fertile because they refused the vaccination.
Aborigine = Iron Age bi.
Speaking of aboriginality, this circular
firing squadvolley of arrows is fun:‘You f*cking colonizer’: Portland man rages at liberal white woman over traffic incident
Circle the
wagonsKarens!Well, I guess calling yourself a descendant of Aborigines is better than a descendant of “transportees”?
It's completely different for identifying as an Aborigine or Torres Strait Islander. Only the black ones laugh at the white ones and only if they don't know about real family connections. [email protected]
The figures have a tendency to boomerang.
Speaking of aboriginality, this circular
firing squadvolley of arrows is fun:'You f*cking colonizer': Portland man rages at liberal white woman over traffic incident
Circle the
wagonsKarens!Replies: @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hangnail Hans, @AnonymousI didn’t watch the video, but I chuckled at the article all the way through. That redskin knew how to get under Karen’s thin-skin. Good on him.
Aborigines like these. To be fair, you have commented on how easy it is for aborigine phenotypes to blend into the Caucasian mold, and I believe that your assertions are correct. Anyway, whatever is good for the aborigines, whatever helps them, I support. They are a wonderful contribution to the Australian nation.
https://i0.wp.com/coralspringstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/natalie-kornhauser.jpg?resize=800%2C470
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Who wouldn’t identify as an indiginey these days. The benefits to be had are too great to ignore. I tell my boys all the time to tick the box on any job application should they be asked. A lot of people here who have their hands out look whiter than me. And I’m sure employers aren’t allowed to question whether you are or not. Maybe they could sack you later if somebody dobbed you in though.
The numbers of blacks has to rise though because quite often the young are reproducing from an early age, often with multiple sperm donors. They seem to go for quantity, not quality. All collecting the government payments for years to come of course.
There are companies that make big, political statements about employing them, and to lift them out of poverty. Catchy jingos like “closing the gap”, “stolen generation”,”survival day”, “ first nations people “. One inane saying after another. But it all usually falls by the wayside once it’s realised just how lazy and unreliable they are. They really are a protected species. I have never seen one working in a store. Soon I expect to see a law where everyone has to have a pet black to pander to.
Picture this story that explains the plight of the abo only too well. I was walking my boys home from school and one of the local black kids walked with us as well. My boys were telling me about their latest report cards. One had missed one day and the other no sick days. The neighbour’s kid told us how he missed 32 days of school. He wagged six weeks of education in one semester. If your race is already starting from behind the eight ball, how can you afford to be that indifferent to the education of one of your own?
He seems to have stopped the sentence short – surely this is missing.
…and get the financial and other rewards on offer for making this claim.
The go-to (first time in my life I have used this) person for this stuff is Andrew Bolt.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2011/09/28/bolt-decision-guilty-of-discrimination-judge-declares/
Speaking of aboriginality, this circular
firing squadvolley of arrows is fun:'You f*cking colonizer': Portland man rages at liberal white woman over traffic incident
Circle the
wagonsKarens!Replies: @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hangnail Hans, @AnonymousIn this Paul Kersey post I see that some people are now confusing Colonists with Colonizers with their name-calling, as per your link too, not that the latter weren’t a force for good in the world anyway.
In answer partially to Kylie on that other thread, yeah, some of these people are just plain stupid. However, many are not, and they just push this stuff or let it go on for reasons of destruction.
Pretty soon that “My hat, it has 3 corners, 3 corners has my hat …” song will be as blatantly RACISS as Dixie.
drei Ecken hat mein Hut
Und hat er nicht drei Ecken
So wär er nicht mein Hut“
Speaking of aboriginality, this circular
firing squadvolley of arrows is fun:'You f*cking colonizer': Portland man rages at liberal white woman over traffic incident
Circle the
wagonsKarens!Replies: @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hangnail Hans, @AnonymousIs that guy an immigrant? Seems he’s the colonizer. Amazing how much race hatred he can throw at the girl and still be the good guy. It’s almost like some kind of privilege.
And amusing how readily he spouts all the CRT buzz words. But yeah, it helps to know that she’s a card-carrying GoodWhite. Even more fun to watch that way.
My view of the “Native” Americans…the Siberian Immigrants…..They can go fuck themselves….
I think letting them "own" casinos to scalp the gullible is a nice trade-off for taking their poorly documented land claims. Like everyone else on the planet, they were always stealing land from their neighbors anyway. Europeans didn't invent that.
Losing a few hundred at Lucky Chief Casino is far less painful then losing your actual scalp.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill Jones
LRC:
Officially there are three tests to be regarded as an Aborigine for government purposes, and all three must be met:
1. Must have at least one Aboriginal ancestor (ie, was living in Australia before 1788). The proportion of Aboriginal ancestry – however low – the claimant has does not matter.
2. Most regard oneself as Aboriginal.
3. Must be regarded as Aboriginal by an Aboriginal organisation (in effect, an organisation that the government regards as an Aboriginal organisation, so starting one’s own such organistion won’t work).
There are many quite pale Aborigines who probably have always qualified on requirement 1 but regarded themselves as white Australians until recently; but now have decided to meet requirements 2 and 3, either for ideological reasons or to get some of the Abo-only moolah on offer from the government. This accounts for most of the increase in numbers seen in census stats.
There are also persons with zero Aboriginal ancestry who claim it for the same reasons, and in some circumstances can get away with it. For example, there are health centres that provide medical care free of charge for Aborigines – but since the staff are not permitted to question would-be patients about their Aboriginality, anyone can turn up and ask for free healthcare. (As all Australians have access to more-or-less free medical care anyway, this isn’t actually rorted very much.)
- It is a "one drop" or "lineal descent" rule across the board (as opposed to the mishmash of 'blood quantum' rules as in the US).
- No genetic or other objective test requirement exists - partly because Aboriginal groups themselves are reluctant to acknowledge the legitimacy of those types of tests for various pragmatic reasons. The last time I checked, some of the major genetic testing companies cannot offer good estimates of Aboriginal ancestry due to lack of data.
- Third party Aboriginal identity verification is administered by Aboriginal groups / communities themselves, which are often 'grass-roots' organisations (with the variable standards of assessment that would imply).
- Some have obvious incentives to admit more members, others do not. Anecdata I have heard is that the process is generally honest - people get their applications rejected if they cannot provide much more than family gossip.
- Government departments are chronically behind their indigenous employment targets, thus are not incentivised to question people too heavily or audit the processes. So the bottleneck to formal recognition is the Aboriginal organisations in my view.
It seems to me that for a long time in the US it has been fashionable to claim native ancestry, but this is a relatively new phenomenon in Australia. The census is a survey and visibility of white-presenting aboriginals has increased over the last decade (the tennis player Ash Barty is the first genuinely famous example that springs to mind, and human interest 'Aboriginal person does X' stories of the type featured on iSteve have increased). That said, here are plenty of old family stories about a salacious liaison out in the back shed or a baby dropped on the doormat, and the 'stolen generation' was a real thing.
I hope Australia can reach 100% indigenousness by mid-century. Then they could do away with all the paperwork, as EVERYONE will be entitled to a hand-up together.
In America, there had been a lot of turnover in Indigenous Peoples, many of them in the same spot even, over the centuries before the White Man. We should give this place back to them before they get too Indignant.
Happy J4 to you and Steve and the gang at Unz...Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Steve[no need to publish this]
headline should read: Australian Aboriginal Population GrowS
Just asking because I have no idea, but did the aborigines suffer any sort of mass die-off from new diseases after the arrival of the British, or were their numbers low to start with and quickly overwhelmed by settlers/prisoners?
So I understand. The northern Abos hadn't been totally isolated from the world because of the passage of Tories Straits Islanders back and forward to New Guinea, and occasional visits from Indonesian fishermen. Nonetheless they were vulnerable to Old World diseases.
And New World disease: the Tasmanian Abos almost disappeared partly because the men sold their wives as prostitutes to visiting whalers, whereby they became infected (with syphilis) and sterile.
Fortunately many of the whalers were American so this sad episode can be blamed on Trump.Replies: @Ed Case
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hangnail Hans, @Guest007, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Ganderson
Could one please give a cite for the claim. According to CNN:
“In 2020, the number of people who identified as Native American and Alaska Native (AIAN) alone and in combination with another race was 9.7 million, up from 5.2 million in 2010. They now account for 2.9% of all the people living in the United States, according to the Census Bureau”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/us/census-native-americans-rise-population/index.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20number%20of,according%20to%20the%20Census%20Bureau.
If one was trying to be snarky in claiming that whites are aboriginal, then one should look up the definition. Of course, part of the problem is different countries use different terms such as Native Americans in the U.S. versus First Nations in Canada, to Indigenous peoples in Mexico
But no, I certainly do not your "one should look up the definition" advice. I respect the American Indians for getting here and doing their hunter-gatherer thing for thousands of years without suffering minoritarian guilt trips ("would you like another arrow with that?") or being gender confused. They are part of American history and culture.
But, I'm not confused about who created and built America--drove off the Indians, cleared and planted the land, built up our industry, founded our republic and instituted rule-of-law--my people. I.e. the people who did all the stuff that has made America so enticing to other people. The people under continuous minoritarian assault and attempted replacement.
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hangnail Hans, @Guest007, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Ganderson
The Native American population in the US has almost doubled since 2010. according to the 2020 census the Native American population has now reached 10 million. Back in 2010 we only counted 5.2 million Indians in America.
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.
In America, there had been a lot of turnover in Indigenous Peoples, many of them in the same spot even, over the centuries before the White Man. We should give this place back to them before they get too Indignant.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I just wanted to say…
Happy J4 to you and Steve and the gang at Unz…
The natives are getting restless:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/25-per-cent-jump-in-people-identifying-as-indigenous-splits-community-leaders-20220702-p5ayjp.html
Not everyone was so delighted by the increase, however.
Nathan Moran, the chief executive of the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council, said the census increase demonstrated the need for an official review into Aboriginal self-identification.
Rather than the current question – which asks respondents whether they are of “Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander origin” – he wants the ABS to ask: “Are you a verified or authenticated Aboriginal person?”
“I think the ABS question is misleading, not productive and ineffective,” he said. “This has caused a skewing in the number of Aboriginal people. It creates, for some, the illusion that we have a much larger population than practical reality.”
The good news is, once we’ve all self-identified as indigineous we’ll be getting more land handed over to us:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/plan-to-transfer-10-per-cent-of-nsw-to-traditional-owners-within-two-decades-20220702-p5ayjb.html
This reminds me of the supposed statistic that 30% of young females identify as non-hetero. I doubt it’s real, but it’s culturally cool, and maybe improves grifter opportunities.
Seems like things upside-down down there. Or maybe up here?Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Hangnail Hans, @Guest007, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Ganderson
From Ernie Kovacs’ “Mr. Question Man”:
Q: Dear Mr. Question Man, if Australia is on the bottom of the world, why don’t people fall off?
A: Well, you’ve stated a common misconception. People are falling off all the time!
"Oh, oh, this old world keeps spinning 'round. It's a wonder tall trees ain't laying down."
Nobody said you had to pass high school physics to be a rock and folk musician ...Replies: @Ganderson
Especially the version that goes:
„Mein Hut der hat drei Ecken
drei Ecken hat mein Hut
Und hat er nicht drei Ecken
So wär er nicht mein Hut“
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.Replies: @Flip, @Bardon Kaldian, @Thea, @Hangnail Hans
Do some Hispanics list themselves as Indians?
Isn’t this just people with 1/32nd abo blood claiming gibs?
Being officially on the tribal roster versus self-identification.
Also informal self-identification versus “census race”.
Even before the current thing, there were plenty of White Folks of more or less Anglo ancestry who claimed to be “part Injun”. It was kind of a tough guy boast.
As for Australia — Just look up the pictures of prominent successful Aborigines. The Aussies seems to have discovered the one-drop rule.
Low numbers. Australia is a harsh place.
You've heard of the population explosion of the imported rabbit, the imported fox and even the imported cane toad, but Australia also has a huge number of feral cats - domestic moggies which have reverted to the wild life.
Apparently, the Australian bush strongly resembles the ancestral middle Eastern scrublands of Felix Domesticus, swarming with all manner of cat sized prey - lizards, snakes, marsupials, rodents, birds etc.
The 'culled' specimens of feral Australian moggies I saw were amongst the healthiest, sleekest and well fed looking animals I've ever seen.
But are the Aboriginies a bunch of narcissists in denial about being in control of the entertainment industry!
did the aborigines suffer any sort of mass die-off from new diseases after the arrival of the British
So I understand. The northern Abos hadn’t been totally isolated from the world because of the passage of Tories Straits Islanders back and forward to New Guinea, and occasional visits from Indonesian fishermen. Nonetheless they were vulnerable to Old World diseases.
And New World disease: the Tasmanian Abos almost disappeared partly because the men sold their wives as prostitutes to visiting whalers, whereby they became infected (with syphilis) and sterile.
Fortunately many of the whalers were American so this sad episode can be blamed on Trump.
No.
The whalers routinely castrated the Aboriginal men on the Bass Strait Islands.Replies: @Anon, @Ralph L
I spent some years there, it is just based on self-identification, the population explosion is only based on Jews and white people ‘self-identifying’ to get the money and advantages intended to assist real aborigines.
So kangaroo is now kosher? Wombat? Koala bear?
"Opening Soon! Outback Deli!"
Replies: @Che Guava
You really make three questions. From my reading, to an extent, yes, and yes and no, in some places. but not others.
Native American population will soon surpass the African American population
That ‘soon’ is at least many decades away, if it happens at all.
American Indian and Alaska Native (2020 Census Bureau)
One race: 3,727,135 are registered
In combination with one or more of the other races listed: 5,938,923
Total: 9,666,058 ~ 2.9% of the total U.S. population
African Americans
46,936,733 (2020)
14.2% of the total U.S. population (2020)
41,104,200 (2020) (one race)
12.4% of the total U.S. population (2020)
So it could occur over the next 20 years due to the flight from white...The Native American population grew 50% from 2000 to 2010, and 100% from 2010 to 2020 and may well increase 150% over the next decade to reach 25 million by 2030 and 60 million by 2030.
If Hispanics start to self-Identify as Native American the change will be faster. Of the 65 million Hispanic Americans less than 10% self-identify as Native American , yet most of them are more Native American ancestry than the typical Indian tribal members. But there is less incentive for Hispanics to identify as Indian , since they already get affirmative action for being Hispanic.Replies: @Travis
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.Replies: @Flip, @Bardon Kaldian, @Thea, @Hangnail Hans
It’s increasing in Canada too.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/211006/dq211006a-eng.htm
“some individuals newly self-identifying as Indigenous in the census, a trend that has continued over time.”
But how many new aboriginals are like Elizabeth Warren Indian? The fashion to become somebody else may be corroding statistical comparisons.
Whenever you see an aboriginal activist, you’ll note that he doesn’t look very aboriginal. Most activists appear to be mixed race.
The simplest explanation for the increase in the numbers of indigenous is that people who are one quarter indigenous are now happy to admit it. There might even be advantages to label yourself as indigenous.
Years ago, Aussies were embarrassed to admit that any of their ancestors were convicts. Now they are pleased to find an ancestor who stole a lamb in 1850
Transportation had ended in 4 out of the 6 states/colonies of Australia by 1850 and the vast majority were transported well before then.
Tasmania ended in 1853 and Western Australia in 1868 (although in practice very few were being sent to Western Australia from 1853 to 1868 anyway)
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.Replies: @Flip, @Bardon Kaldian, @Thea, @Hangnail Hans
Their female fertility rate is the lowest of any demographic. So either the men are having lots of babies with out-groups or people are suddenly discovering long lost ancestors. It helps one get a job or find their children a good university.
The Australian cites no official census data for his claim that this increase in population is entirely due to more people identifying as aboriginal status.
I doubt that it’s trivially easy to change one’s status. I don’t know if aboriginal status creates benefits but I’d be surprised if it didn’t, based on the Canadian situation.
In the Americas the native population initially crashed as Europeans brought new diseases. But that’s worn off by now, according to the Canadian situation.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/211006/dq211006a-eng.htm
The Liz Warrens of Australia finally started to play this game.
Can’t you get affirmative action benefits without belonging to a tribe roll? I thought that was how Warren’s scam worked.
Only after she was too high profile did it collapse.
More but whiter aborigines.
We love our indigenous artists here in Australia!
One of the, if not the, biggest problems of the Twenty First Century, is the ability for people to self indentify as whatever they chose to be and for the MSM and wokesters to think self delusion is fine.
What if it is a solution instead of problem? If everyone gets that DNA file from 23AndMe and spots a pixel from Spain/Portugal/New World and relabels themselves Hispanic and those who spot a pixel from Africa relabel themselves as African-American, similarly for other groups, then we may have a new demographics where there won't be a target to direct all the historical blame. As someone once said Nobody will ever win the battle because there is too much fraternizing with the enemy
O/T, but I think it’s important.
Steve has been one of the most prescient commenters in the whole public intellectual sphere for three decades and I admire him greatly.
But now that the West is showing serious, active signs of decay and the horsemen are starting to show up, albeit elsewhere in the world so far, Steve basically got much of it wrong on the most important plague in the last 100 years and the most important war of the last 75.
I’m just going to state here that I strongly suspect the main reason is Cochran. Cochran is a physicist and as close to a polymath as modern times can give us. He can be reasonably authoritative on many matters, eg the acceleration of human evolution under agriculture, the Darwinian unadaptiveness of homosexuality and the ruthless nature of the Corded Ware expansion. But he is a blowhard and a know-it-all; a very different person from Steve, who is personally, though not intellectually, very cautious; almost timid. Cochran finally realized the value of shutting up early in Covid, when his initial ideas went wrong, and to his credit he has continued to mostly shut his previously bragging mouth on the Ukraine war.
Ultimately, a major source of Cochran’s false certainties is a sort of old-school American patriotism, including a belief in that Very Good War and the biggest lie of all, the foundation myth of the modern West, the Holocaust. Steve shares some of this patriotism, indeed it is the essence of his optimistic ‘Citizenism’ political philosophy.
One cannot advance far in this society without getting to know many Jews, even some likable ones. Steve’s HBD discussion group was an admirable effort, but it eventually fell apart when it became obvious that almost all the Jews were going to circle the wagons and careerist goys like Dawkins would go nowhere near anything remotely threatening. A cautious person is naturally attracted to the ideas of a dogmatic person, and my impression is that beginning in those days, and increasing since, Steve found Cochran’s self-certainty on some big questions very attractive.
I won’t lie: I dislike Cochran’s blowhard nature intensely, and I take pleasure that he’s been wrong so far on the degree of likelihood COVID would become more, rather than less, pathogenic, the essentially political/commercial nature of the vaccine push, and other aspects of the virus.
That includes Cochran’s moral wrongness on the subject of dying octo- and nonagenarians: we needed to lose some of them. Like many ego-inflated physicists, he’s something of a transhumanist, quite a creepy reaction to mortality. As such, and at his age, his moral identification with the very elderly may be understood.
Our evil leaders may yet make COVID worse, perhaps via a Marek-like evolutionary mechanism, but so far, Cochran has been wrong somewhat because ‘life will find a way’. Ie, events, including biological events, are hard to predict. Very ironic.
The message is to go your own way more on the biggest issues, Steve. Being represented chiefly at a holocaust-skeptical site like Unz is good for that, though there are many days when I feel that the chief effect of the site is to allow Jews, hasbara and relative moderates to influence the most radical members of the college-educated right.
“Indigenous, indignant, and indigent is no way to go through life, son!”
– Chief Wormer
In the meantime,
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high…
Summertime done come and gone, my oh my.
Your best ever Achmed
Summertime done come and gone, my oh my.Replies: @Alden
“Indigenous, indignant and indigent is no way to go through life son”
Your best ever Achmed
I have long advocated for people to mark “black” on the census forms, even if they don’t have drop of DNA from the former slaves. This nonsense ends the moment people f**k up the categories through civil disobedience.
problems of the Twenty First Century
What if it is a solution instead of problem? If everyone gets that DNA file from 23AndMe and spots a pixel from Spain/Portugal/New World and relabels themselves Hispanic and those who spot a pixel from Africa relabel themselves as African-American, similarly for other groups, then we may have a new demographics where there won’t be a target to direct all the historical blame. As someone once said Nobody will ever win the battle because there is too much fraternizing with the enemy
The American Indian population is growing at a faster rate than any other demographic and at the current growth rate the Native American population will soon surpass the African American population here in the United States.Replies: @Flip, @Bardon Kaldian, @Thea, @Hangnail Hans
Thanks. I said much the same here over eight hours ago, but Steve’s withholding all of my comments again today.
16 percent does not strike me as a “big gap.” In fact it seems surprisingly small! It looks to me as though the Indigenous population had already been greatly inflated by the addition of a large number of White Indigenes with decent IQs and jobs.
Australian whites are not very aborigine, are they? Of the people who are aboriginal, what chunk are biracial? I have read that there are very few (none?) US Indians who are not mixed.
How does Australia handle AA? It seems to me that it should phase out with decreasing aborigine ancestry. Certainly, it should disappear by 1/1024 aboriginal descent.
Had I been born in Michigan like my father, I'd be tenth-generation. That's from a couple of French lines from the initial settlement of Detroit-- in 1701. No Englishmen settled Australia until 1788.
Only from the rez.
She’s clearly smart and attractive. If only she were sane!
How does Australia handle AA? It seems to me that it should phase out with decreasing aborigine ancestry. Certainly, it should disappear by 1/1024 aboriginal descent.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
That’s ten generations. Has any Aussie non-abo Oz blood going back that far?
Had I been born in Michigan like my father, I’d be tenth-generation. That’s from a couple of French lines from the initial settlement of Detroit– in 1701. No Englishmen settled Australia until 1788.
For fuck’s sake. At least one person in addition to the author had ‘eyes on’.
FWIW: the census doesn’t ask for any evidence regarding Abo/TI-ness.
It’s a question on a form – a form that I have routinely refused to fill out, lo these last 5 censuses … if the parasitic cretins from .gov.au want me to do their work for them, then they need to fucking pay me – in advance.
When it was paper-based I used to briefly scan it before I threw it in the bin, to see if there were any new questions. I think it’s mostly online now – and as usual, the data repository is basically porous (another reason why these cunts do not get a single byte of data from me that I furnish voluntarily or without consideration).
In related news, there are government positions that are specifically advertised as being reserved for Abo/TI people. I’m indifferent about that – bureaucrats are inherently unproductive and are paid a significant integer multiple of their marginal value product, so AA hiring by the hopeless cunts at .gov.au does fuck-all to aggregate productivity.
In a world where government could organise a fuck in a brothel, applicants for AboAA jobs would have to furnish some form of proof at some stage of the recruitment process. That’s not the world we live in, though.
Q: Dear Mr. Question Man, if Australia is on the bottom of the world, why don’t people fall off?
A: Well, you’ve stated a common misconception. People are falling off all the time!Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
Mr. Neil Young has asked a more difficult question on his album and song “Comes a Time”:
“Oh, oh, this old world keeps spinning ’round. It’s a wonder tall trees ain’t laying down.”
Nobody said you had to pass high school physics to be a rock and folk musician …
Happy J4 to you and Steve and the gang at Unz...Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Thank you, Chris! It should be way past bedtime there in Japan now, so see you morrow, my son. [/Knofler]
"In 2020, the number of people who identified as Native American and Alaska Native (AIAN) alone and in combination with another race was 9.7 million, up from 5.2 million in 2010. They now account for 2.9% of all the people living in the United States, according to the Census Bureau"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/us/census-native-americans-rise-population/index.html#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20the%20number%20of,according%20to%20the%20Census%20Bureau.
If one was trying to be snarky in claiming that whites are aboriginal, then one should look up the definition. Of course, part of the problem is different countries use different terms such as Native Americans in the U.S. versus First Nations in Canada, to Indigenous peoples in MexicoReplies: @AnotherDad
Yes, I was being snarky. And yes, I should have used “Native American” to make the word play better.
But no, I certainly do not your “one should look up the definition” advice. I respect the American Indians for getting here and doing their hunter-gatherer thing for thousands of years without suffering minoritarian guilt trips (“would you like another arrow with that?”) or being gender confused. They are part of American history and culture.
But, I’m not confused about who created and built America–drove off the Indians, cleared and planted the land, built up our industry, founded our republic and instituted rule-of-law–my people. I.e. the people who did all the stuff that has made America so enticing to other people. The people under continuous minoritarian assault and attempted replacement.
More white Aussies claiming Abo ancestry for Virtue points.
Don’t think about Whites were having sex with indigenous people all along, adding indigenous genes into the gene pool.
No. The Aborigines are a bunch of BIPOC narcissists who are in denial that they psychically control the Funnel Web Spider population in the Sydney suburbs which plague the blokes and their sheilas. Constant and programmed racial tension in the Five Eyes kingdoms.
Q: Dear Mr. Question Man, if Australia is on the bottom of the world, why don’t people fall off?
A: Well, you’ve stated a common misconception. People are falling off all the time!Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon
I always liked Ernie Kovacs. He did good for himself (other than the car accident I mean) – married the lovely Edie Adams.
Yes, a lot of fake aborigines and Maoris in the far south due to very generous welfare benefits.
Many “partial” ones look completely White. I guess faking is easy enough, especially if you live in the remote Outback.
Wherever there is easy grift, you will get plenty of grifters.
In the Good Old Days, “passing for White” was a thing too…
Pretty harsh. But they are Western Hemisphere immigrants, like everyone else.
I think letting them “own” casinos to scalp the gullible is a nice trade-off for taking their poorly documented land claims. Like everyone else on the planet, they were always stealing land from their neighbors anyway. Europeans didn’t invent that.
Losing a few hundred at Lucky Chief Casino is far less painful then losing your actual scalp.
The 180 degree longitude line goes through the land-bridge itself and is the route they took, rather than their origin itself.
(Unz.com the place on the Web for quality nit-picking)
Oy Vey!
So kangaroo is now kosher? Wombat? Koala bear?
“Opening Soon! Outback Deli!”
I hear that koalas are in trouble, also inedible, for wombat, farmers hate them, so best if both are protected.
You miss the great opportunity here.
Think of the problems we could solve in one fell swoop.
If we all become Black Women a couple of big problems vanish over-night.
Once I was at a locksmith shop getting a key made, and I noticed that the key machine was the same one that they have at Home Depot. I asked the locksmith, How come your key copies always work great, but the key guy at Home Depot, his copies don’t fit very well. He replied, I still remember: “You can give someone a dental drill, but that doesn’t make him a dentist.”
In an age of lies it is your civic duty to lie!
Tbf, if I was a chick I wouldn’t want to fuck men either.
I have a non-trivial amount of Native American ancestry.
This woman grew up on a reservation and went to an Indian boarding school:
Stan, I think she might only be Chinese, about 60-70 years old in that pic:
https://i.imgur.com/TalVwuy.jpgReplies: @Stan Adams, @jejej
I used to travel from the US to Australia once or twice a year for years. Other than some president of a bank there and a Jewish home builder giving me some crap over dinner at Icebergs on Bondi Beach after too many cocktails, I never had a problem with the “hate America” thing. Yet, I heard many stories of Aussies shitting on Americans to the point that younger Americans out pub crawling would say they were Canadians, and that would mollify the Aussie berserkers.
There was a TV show called Border Patrol, as I recall. In one episode I caught while over there, some repulsive, disgusting Hasidic Jew from Israel, a professor of law in Israel he said, was stopped going through customs in Sydney, having come directly from Israel. In his luggage was a suitcase filled with bags and bags of rust-infected leaves, which he claimed were for cooking. It is quite impossible that in the short time from leaving Israel and arriving in Sydney that the leaves could be covered in some sort of rust infection, suggesting the leaves were bio warfare materiel intended for destroying Australia’s fruit tree crops at some point.
Customs wasn’t having any part of it, however, whereupon this Jew claimed he held legal status as an aboriginal and could prove it, since it was a matter of personal declaration, and therefore above arrest and prosecution. I never found out what happened to this man, but, unless things have changed, flights to and from Australia, including from the US, are noticeably filled with these Hasidic Jews colonizing Australia—as if the Jews don’t already own it lock, stock, and barrel.
Israeli and Aussie fruit export markets don't really overlap. Israel exports almost exclusively to EU/USA while Oz exports almost exclusively to Asia. Also highly unlikely a Hasidic Jew would be hired by Israeli 'Big fruit' to do their nefarious bidding for a host of cultural/sociological reasons.
Speaking of aboriginality, this circular
firing squadvolley of arrows is fun:'You f*cking colonizer': Portland man rages at liberal white woman over traffic incident
Circle the
wagonsKarens!Replies: @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hangnail Hans, @Anonymouslmao
I think letting them "own" casinos to scalp the gullible is a nice trade-off for taking their poorly documented land claims. Like everyone else on the planet, they were always stealing land from their neighbors anyway. Europeans didn't invent that.
Losing a few hundred at Lucky Chief Casino is far less painful then losing your actual scalp.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill Jones
The reservations need to be dismantled. Hell, we can even deed everyone on them a plot in fee simple. Then abolish the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
The reservations are dysgenic sinks and unworkable anachronisms. If the injuns want to maintain their bloodlines and heritage, nobody’s stopping them.
I guess huffing gasoline has aphrodisiac effects
OT — Nothing says “Trump supporter” like face tattoos, a promising rap career, a communist party neck tattoo, and following the Washington Post on Twitter.
Steve, that is clever and all but you have missed the significant issue this article illustrates: Why aren’t the Australian and American Establishments trying to promote the creation of more White people?
Do Jews not want a thriving, self-identified White population?
Being a descendant of transported convicts has always been regarded as interesting in Australia. People raised in small towns could never lie about it because they’d be British and their families would sneer about their lie. I suppose others have never lied or exaggerated about it because there’s no money in it and never has been.
It’s completely different for identifying as an Aborigine or Torres Strait Islander. Only the black ones laugh at the white ones and only if they don’t know about real family connections. [email protected]
The simplest explanation for the increase in the numbers of indigenous is that people who are one quarter indigenous are now happy to admit it. There might even be advantages to label yourself as indigenous.
Years ago, Aussies were embarrassed to admit that any of their ancestors were convicts. Now they are pleased to find an ancestor who stole a lamb in 1850Replies: @the truth about convicts
If he stole lamb it was very likely well before 1850
Transportation had ended in 4 out of the 6 states/colonies of Australia by 1850 and the vast majority were transported well before then.
Tasmania ended in 1853 and Western Australia in 1868 (although in practice very few were being sent to Western Australia from 1853 to 1868 anyway)
So I understand. The northern Abos hadn't been totally isolated from the world because of the passage of Tories Straits Islanders back and forward to New Guinea, and occasional visits from Indonesian fishermen. Nonetheless they were vulnerable to Old World diseases.
And New World disease: the Tasmanian Abos almost disappeared partly because the men sold their wives as prostitutes to visiting whalers, whereby they became infected (with syphilis) and sterile.
Fortunately many of the whalers were American so this sad episode can be blamed on Trump.Replies: @Ed Case
And New World disease: the Tasmanian Abos almost disappeared partly because the men sold their wives as prostitutes to visiting whalers, whereby they became infected (with syphilis) and sterile.
No.
The whalers routinely castrated the Aboriginal men on the Bass Strait Islands.
I call BS on this. Prove it.Replies: @Ed Case
Surprisingly very few Hispanics self-identify as Native Americans , although many now identify as mixed race on the US census or list their race as Mexican or La Raza
That 'soon' is at least many decades away, if it happens at all.
American Indian and Alaska Native (2020 Census Bureau)
One race: 3,727,135 are registered
In combination with one or more of the other races listed: 5,938,923
Total: 9,666,058 ~ 2.9% of the total U.S. population
African Americans
46,936,733 (2020)
14.2% of the total U.S. population (2020)
41,104,200 (2020) (one race)
12.4% of the total U.S. population (2020)Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
If all the white Americans who are genetically 0.2% American Indian self-identify as Indian we already have 60 million Native Americans in the US today. The vast majority of whites with some Indian ancestry still identify as white.
So it could occur over the next 20 years due to the flight from white…The Native American population grew 50% from 2000 to 2010, and 100% from 2010 to 2020 and may well increase 150% over the next decade to reach 25 million by 2030 and 60 million by 2030.
If Hispanics start to self-Identify as Native American the change will be faster. Of the 65 million Hispanic Americans less than 10% self-identify as Native American , yet most of them are more Native American ancestry than the typical Indian tribal members. But there is less incentive for Hispanics to identify as Indian , since they already get affirmative action for being Hispanic.
A big reason the Native American population has increased 100% over since 2010 is due to genetic testing. I found out my DNA is 0.1% Native American which was not expected. Although my Paternal ancestors trace back to colonial days in Pennsylvania, we did not have any stories about being part Indian although it is certainly possible that one of my ancestors 300 years ago was Native American.
If all the white Americans who are genetically 0.2% American Indian self-identify as Indian
If we are into such radical re-identification thought experiment, why stop there? All Homo Sapiens originated from Modern Ethiopia. So let us call all Humans as Africans and be done with it.
OT: The Highland Park shooter, Robert Crimo. Someone said on Twitter that Crimo had gone to some trouble to make it look like he was both a liberal and a conservative, although his older social media posts sound like he’s really a liberal. He wanted all congressmen who supported the Jan 6 protestors to be arrested.
I suspect the shooter’s real goal was to get a civil war going between liberals and conservatives, which he wanted conservatives to lose.
It also looks like he was rabble-roused and radicalized by the current televised ‘hearings’ held by the Democrats attacking Trump, the Republicans, and the Jan 6 protestors. It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that he’d go all shooty while the Democrats are trying to lynch conservatives on TV. Therefore, Democratic insanity is to blame for this guy.
Shooting up a 4th of July parade was likely the most anti-conservative deed that Crimo could think of. Conservatives love 4th of July parades, and liberals are scornful of them because they hate patriotism. There may be more liberal loons popping up to attack conservatives, convinced that they’re doing the proper thing as urged by the Democratic retarded pols on TV.
By the way, Crimo’s father was well off, continuing the tradition of violent, radical leftists coming from wealthy families.
No.
The whalers routinely castrated the Aboriginal men on the Bass Strait Islands.Replies: @Anon, @Ralph L
“The whalers routinely castrated the Aboriginal men on the Bass Strait Islands.”
I call BS on this. Prove it.
And, it wasn't any better when whaling ships stopped at Bass Strait Islands 200-250 years ago.Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad
Officially there are three tests to be regarded as an Aborigine for government purposes, and all three must be met:
1. Must have at least one Aboriginal ancestor (ie, was living in Australia before 1788). The proportion of Aboriginal ancestry - however low - the claimant has does not matter.
2. Most regard oneself as Aboriginal.
3. Must be regarded as Aboriginal by an Aboriginal organisation (in effect, an organisation that the government regards as an Aboriginal organisation, so starting one's own such organistion won't work).
There are many quite pale Aborigines who probably have always qualified on requirement 1 but regarded themselves as white Australians until recently; but now have decided to meet requirements 2 and 3, either for ideological reasons or to get some of the Abo-only moolah on offer from the government. This accounts for most of the increase in numbers seen in census stats.
There are also persons with zero Aboriginal ancestry who claim it for the same reasons, and in some circumstances can get away with it. For example, there are health centres that provide medical care free of charge for Aborigines - but since the staff are not permitted to question would-be patients about their Aboriginality, anyone can turn up and ask for free healthcare. (As all Australians have access to more-or-less free medical care anyway, this isn't actually rorted very much.)Replies: @angmoh
To add on some further comments from another Australian:
– It is a “one drop” or “lineal descent” rule across the board (as opposed to the mishmash of ‘blood quantum’ rules as in the US).
– No genetic or other objective test requirement exists – partly because Aboriginal groups themselves are reluctant to acknowledge the legitimacy of those types of tests for various pragmatic reasons. The last time I checked, some of the major genetic testing companies cannot offer good estimates of Aboriginal ancestry due to lack of data.
– Third party Aboriginal identity verification is administered by Aboriginal groups / communities themselves, which are often ‘grass-roots’ organisations (with the variable standards of assessment that would imply).
– Some have obvious incentives to admit more members, others do not. Anecdata I have heard is that the process is generally honest – people get their applications rejected if they cannot provide much more than family gossip.
– Government departments are chronically behind their indigenous employment targets, thus are not incentivised to question people too heavily or audit the processes. So the bottleneck to formal recognition is the Aboriginal organisations in my view.
It seems to me that for a long time in the US it has been fashionable to claim native ancestry, but this is a relatively new phenomenon in Australia. The census is a survey and visibility of white-presenting aboriginals has increased over the last decade (the tennis player Ash Barty is the first genuinely famous example that springs to mind, and human interest ‘Aboriginal person does X’ stories of the type featured on iSteve have increased). That said, here are plenty of old family stories about a salacious liaison out in the back shed or a baby dropped on the doormat, and the ‘stolen generation’ was a real thing.
According to Richard Fuerle, author of the book, “Erectus Walks Among Us, Australoids are most probably, primitive Caucasoids. The entire Indian Subcontinent and even the Middle East to a lessor extent are all Caucasoid-Australoid hybrids.
I assume that most of this is divergent evolution--a lot, especially of mental traits, post-Neolithic revolution with settlement and ag. But it would be interesting to see some DNA parsing of the various out-of-Africa waves. Were later waves way more advanced in some capabilities, with structural differences compared to the early around-the-coast-to-Oz wave? I don't really follow the ancient DNA stuff independently of what Steve links to, so maybe there's some recent work that sheds light.Replies: @Rob
I call BS on this. Prove it.Replies: @Ed Case
It’s a dirty world out there, pard.
And, it wasn’t any better when whaling ships stopped at Bass Strait Islands 200-250 years ago.
I think letting them "own" casinos to scalp the gullible is a nice trade-off for taking their poorly documented land claims. Like everyone else on the planet, they were always stealing land from their neighbors anyway. Europeans didn't invent that.
Losing a few hundred at Lucky Chief Casino is far less painful then losing your actual scalp.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Bill Jones
Isn’t Siberia about as far East as it gets?
The 180 degree longitude line goes through the land-bridge itself and is the route they took, rather than their origin itself.
(Unz.com the place on the Web for quality nit-picking)
• Groan:
Bill Clinton has self-identified as 1/16 Cherokee (or twice as Injun as Elizabeth Warren). Someone should ask him.
Is this satire? 95% isn’t possible.
No.
The whalers routinely castrated the Aboriginal men on the Bass Strait Islands.Replies: @Anon, @Ralph L
Routinely? They took one nut at a time?
Canadian anon at 4chan, not a flag normally associated with wisdom:
This, amid a new billion-dollar gift to Kholomoisky, plus Elensky’s demands that the West build him a Dubai because the Swiss mansions aren’t enough, prompted by European countries especially Belgium debating whether to bring back Covid madness, as Canada and New Zealand fulfill the maddest predictions and make the booster more mandatory, oh and the Netherlands is looking at a huge farmer’s revolt over arbitrary environmental utopianism. An incredible transition indeed.
Doin’ a Dolezal and making Aussies of themselves.
“Social progress.” These leftists are such fools.
And, it wasn't any better when whaling ships stopped at Bass Strait Islands 200-250 years ago.Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad
Look, I know something about the US whaling industry. The vast majority of the sailors in it came from just 3 places, New Bedford in Massachusetts, and the islands of Martha’s Vinyard and Nantucket. Just about everybody in the whaling industry was related to each other or knew each other socially as friends. And you know what? Due to a peculiarity of history, most of these whalers were Quakers. They were the enlightened leftists of their day. Even Daniel Webster, their congressman, thought this cluster of his constituents were weirdly leftwing, and he liked to tell stories about them. They were abolitionists–they wanted to get rid of slavery–and were pro-women’s rights back when almost no one had even heard of that sort of thing. In fact, their philosophy was one of the primary historical forces that got modern-day leftism going.
The notion that these Quakers went around castrating aborigines is utter claptrap. It’s a fairy tale that modern-day liberals like to tell themselves.
The Woke Whalers of Nantucket, eh?
Look, pal, I appreciate that castration is an uncomfortable subject for dudes, and you're entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.
[1] New Zealand doesn't exist. Don't try to go there. It's entirely imaginary, and nobody wants Yanks there anyhow.
More white Aussies claiming Abo ancestry for Virtue points.
Don’t think about Whites were having sex with indigenous people all along, adding indigenous genes into the gene pool.
Have you never watched Australian TV?
They do the same thing as Clown Town media.
DUMB REDNECK WHITES STILL THINK RACE EXISTS
THIS BLONDE 3% ABO PROFESSIONAL SKIER SHOWS THAT IT IS ENTIRELY ARTIFICIAL
A TRUE INSPIRATION TO HER NATIVE PEOPLE
But not for domestic cats – Australia is a land teeming with small game.
You’ve heard of the population explosion of the imported rabbit, the imported fox and even the imported cane toad, but Australia also has a huge number of feral cats – domestic moggies which have reverted to the wild life.
Apparently, the Australian bush strongly resembles the ancestral middle Eastern scrublands of Felix Domesticus, swarming with all manner of cat sized prey – lizards, snakes, marsupials, rodents, birds etc.
The ‘culled’ specimens of feral Australian moggies I saw were amongst the healthiest, sleekest and well fed looking animals I’ve ever seen.
In one episode I caught while over there, some repulsive, disgusting Hasidic Jew from Israel, a professor of law in Israel he said, was stopped going through customs in Sydney, having come directly from Israel. In his luggage was a suitcase filled with bags and bags of rust-infected leaves, which he claimed were for cooking. It is quite impossible that in the short time from leaving Israel and arriving in Sydney that the leaves could be covered in some sort of rust infection, suggesting the leaves were bio warfare materiel intended for destroying Australia’s fruit tree crops at some point.
Israeli and Aussie fruit export markets don’t really overlap. Israel exports almost exclusively to EU/USA while Oz exports almost exclusively to Asia. Also highly unlikely a Hasidic Jew would be hired by Israeli ‘Big fruit’ to do their nefarious bidding for a host of cultural/sociological reasons.
And, it wasn't any better when whaling ships stopped at Bass Strait Islands 200-250 years ago.Replies: @Anon, @AnotherDad
Ed, it’s not a question of “dirty world”, everyone even semi-aware understands that. It’s a question of this “routine” castration not making any sense.
Killing yes. Defeat/kill the men and enjoy the women is as old as the hills. But why castrate dudes–pissing them off–if you are not taking them as slaves, but leaving them alive on the island?
If you tell me some whalers grabbed up a few Bass Islanders–i assume we are talking about the South Pacific here, not Ohio–and castrated them to make them tractable as deck hands, ok. Weird. But at least there’s some sort of point.
That's a roundabout way of missing the point entirely.
FWIW: the census doesn't ask for any evidence regarding Abo/TI-ness.
It's a question on a form - a form that I have routinely refused to fill out, lo these last 5 censuses ... if the parasitic cretins from .gov.au want me to do their work for them, then they need to fucking pay me - in advance.
When it was paper-based I used to briefly scan it before I threw it in the bin, to see if there were any new questions. I think it's mostly online now - and as usual, the data repository is basically porous (another reason why these cunts do not get a single byte of data from me that I furnish voluntarily or without consideration).
In related news, there are government positions that are specifically advertised as being reserved for Abo/TI people. I'm indifferent about that - bureaucrats are inherently unproductive and are paid a significant integer multiple of their marginal value product, so AA hiring by the hopeless cunts at .gov.au does fuck-all to aggregate productivity.
In a world where government could organise a fuck in a brothel, applicants for AboAA jobs would have to furnish some form of proof at some stage of the recruitment process. That's not the world we live in, though.Replies: @anon
What do you mean by the repository being porous? That your personal info isn’t secure?
With reference specifically to the census, the track record of the Australian Bureau of Statistics on matters census-y is best expressed in the hashtag #CensusFail which has been doing the rounds since the last census in 2016, when typical government procurement
corruptionfuckups led to• IBM being given the contract;
• IBM then implementing cybersecurity at sub-uDemy levels of skill;
• ABS getting egg on its face and spending money trying to convince the schlubs that the fuckups were a 'foreign state actor DDoS' rather than pure incompetence and inadequate - but hyper-costly - resourcing; and lastly
• unknown and unknowable levels of residual infiltration of ABS systems.
A sensible adversary that gets into a compromised backend, does not get some goodies and then leave.
A sensible adversary gets the goodies, and leaves behind some code fragments that later enable access to the same hardware.
Done right, access is more or less in perpetuity - including cross-infecting internal networks in ways that survive the entire network's routing infrastructure being replaced.
And when it's known that supposed constraints regarding data-sharing between government agencies (and between Federal and State governments) are bullshit, it's clear that the infection can be spread to State agencies as well. For example: the [Federal] Australian Electoral Commission 'knows' when you change your address with [State-level] VicRoads - so there's an obvious data-exchange happening, so there's a 'pipe' between the two systems.
This is why every byte of data held by the Australian government - on any citizen - can be had for less than the cost of
• 2 Domino's [absolutely shit] pizzas, or
• one nice Super Supreme with hot salami, extra cheese and double anchovies (from a proper wog pizzeria staffed by proper wogs rather than pajeets).
When governments pay a fortune for consulting-firm dickheads with 'cybersecurity analyst' on their business cards, they are not getting genuine talent - is what I'm sayin'.
Off topic, on one topic, the people who did not want a shutdown were right about one thing. Deaths of despair went up a lot. Overdose deaths are up like 30%. ODs are not something that should grow exponentially! I wonder if the cause was really the stimulus payments. People had money who weren’t used to that.
Also heard covid put a huge dent in the fentanyl supply, so when opioids made a comeback, users had low tolerance. Not being around people could mean there’s no one there to use narcan.
On the plus side, maybe (non-black) drunk driving deaths cratered during covid?
For “Virtue points” or to protect themselves?
I don’t understand. Have Whites been mating with them or haven’t they?
They certainly look very primitive to the Western eye. And, i’ve seen those pictures of Abo skulls compared to modern human ones.
I assume that most of this is divergent evolution–a lot, especially of mental traits, post-Neolithic revolution with settlement and ag. But it would be interesting to see some DNA parsing of the various out-of-Africa waves. Were later waves way more advanced in some capabilities, with structural differences compared to the early around-the-coast-to-Oz wave? I don’t really follow the ancient DNA stuff independently of what Steve links to, so maybe there’s some recent work that sheds light.
The Irish are a jealous lot.
Do Jews have a significant role in Australia?
Not really. Very over represented in wealth though. Nine of top 25 wealthiest Australians are Jewish.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @J.Ross, @3g4me
"In Australia, Jewish leaders in both Sydney and Melbourne went to great lengths to tell me why and how the Jews are different in these two cities."-- Thomas Sowell (2011)
The mafia should buy 23-and-me. For an extra fee they can find ethnic minority DNA in short supply at Harvard and Colombia in your kid’s dead cheek cells.
ThreeSevenFive, I tend to agree with you. A good start to understanding New England whalers is the book “In the Heart of the Sea.” But remember, not all whalers were from New England.
This woman grew up on a reservation and went to an Indian boarding school:
https://i.ibb.co/y4zTdBW/D131-C966-6306-424-D-BC18-9-B6217947-D21.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Stan, I think she might only be Chinese, about 60-70 years old in that pic:
American Indians (her preferred term) have Asian input, but her math skills were pretty weak. She was no Tiger Mother, that's for sure.
Here she is at 70. (She stopped dyeing and curling her hair in her early 80s. By that time the first signs of Alzheimer's were showing up. She died at 91.) On this occasion she went light on the bling:
https://i.ibb.co/f0Y4jCT/2000-04-10.jpg
She had dozens and dozens of pairs of big glasses in every color, all made to prescription.
Her jewelry collection was formidable. It was not unheard of for her to go to the supermarket with a ring on every finger. A family friend liked to joke that she was the long-lost twin of Elizabeth Taylor.
My grandfather once complained to my mother that he could never buy her off with jewelry: "If your mother ever gets angry at me, all I have to do is buy her a gold necklace and all is forgiven. Your sister is the same way. But you ... I can never figure out what the hell you want." (Neither can I.)
Grandma could be stern but she could also be sweet and on occasion she could even be fun. She never drank, but one time on a family trip to Disney World she ordered some spiked lemonade at a restaurant and really cut loose. After that my uncle always called her "funky Grandma."
She had one of those big cabinet-sized record players. Her favorites were Elvis, the Beach Boys, and Bruce Springsteen. (She turned the volume up as high as it could go. On many a Saturday morning I awoke to the strains of "Can't Help Falling in Love." Even now I tear up thinking about it.) She attended a Springsteen concert in her 70s and squealed like a schoolgirl when he pointed directly at her.
At Christmastime she liked to play an old LP put out by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. My favorite was "O Holy Night."
Whether that qualifies as "acclimating to white norms," I can't say.
The girls do not like that joke but the boys can not stop laughing.
As for the shooting, well, I lived 20 miles north of highland park a few years ago and know the area well.
Some of the houses there are extraordinary.
This dude's house seemed more blah by comparison.
The rich kids there live dull, boring, but very safe and non-violent lives.
You can tell by his FACE TATTOOS that he was not quite one of them. He must have had at least one friend to do his videoing for him but overall it looks like life took a big shit on him and he figured he would fling some shit back.
As for guns:
Ideally? No guns on planet earth. Hell, no weapons or technology stronger than sticks.
Great. That out of the way, what to do?
One option would be repealing the second amendment.
What happens then?
Depends..So we have a government willing to take guns from blacks too? On the one hand even Trump isn't strong enough to do it, on the other hand, even 5 foot Bloomberg is strong enough. So, I would say that yes, it can be done.
What about being protected from the government?
LOL.
The government imprisons a dozen innocent people every day, hell, maybe 5 dozen. No one knows and no one cares and guns have not saved any of them (excepting a couple of ranchers near Mesquite, Nevada a few years ago).
But doesn't *the threat* of guns in many hands keep the government at bay from inflicting harm on the country as a whole?
The only good argument I heard along those lines was that in America there was never any actual Lockdown of the sort that there was in Australia and New Zealand. And for that we owe our guns.
Maybe.
But down under they were also given a living wage during the entirety of the lockdown while that was never on the table in America.
I can absolutely see why a nation might acquiesce to such Faucism when they're getting paid for it. Even in America.
So. Defeatist naysaying aside (e.g. "They'll never imprison as many blacks as necessary to get all their guns") what actually happens if they repeal /replace the second amendment?
I personally know plenty of gun fanatics who claim they would revolt. But the fact is, that lacking a proper leader they will do no such thing. Witness the millions and millions of Americans who said they would not take the vax under any circumstances, and then went ahead and did it anyway. And witness how those who actually stood by their principles, simply got fired and that was the end of the story.
So, guns.
A. Do they do any good?
B. What happens if America follows the example of Australia and now Canada and other, even more serious countries, and does away with guns?
HUGE numbers of lives will be saved (including a large number of children). What else? Will we really be subject to stricter faucism?
My own bias is as anti-government as possible. I oppose drivers licenses. So you can be sure that I have no plan to vote to repeal one of the Bill of Rights.
But I'm starting to see the wisdom in doing so.Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby
Shortly before his death I remember Cardinal George, the Archbishop of Chicago, saying that in the future the Catholic Church will become smaller and less influential. He sure didn’t say smaller and stronger.
If you tell me some whalers grabbed up a few Bass Islanders–i assume we are talking about the South Pacific here, not Ohio–and castrated them to make them tractable as deck hands, ok. Weird. But at least there’s some sort of point.
That’s a roundabout way of missing the point entirely.
The notion that these Quakers went around castrating aborigines is utter claptrap. It’s a fairy tale that modern-day liberals like to tell themselves.
The Woke Whalers of Nantucket, eh?
Look, pal, I appreciate that castration is an uncomfortable subject for dudes, and you’re entitled to your own opinion, just not your own facts.
Much of the analysis is done by Chinese owned companies. So most Americans should know that the genetic info is probably held by the Chinese government.
Stan, I think she might only be Chinese, about 60-70 years old in that pic:
https://i.imgur.com/TalVwuy.jpgReplies: @Stan Adams, @jejej
She was in her 40s, actually.
American Indians (her preferred term) have Asian input, but her math skills were pretty weak. She was no Tiger Mother, that’s for sure.
Here she is at 70. (She stopped dyeing and curling her hair in her early 80s. By that time the first signs of Alzheimer’s were showing up. She died at 91.) On this occasion she went light on the bling:
She had dozens and dozens of pairs of big glasses in every color, all made to prescription.
Her jewelry collection was formidable. It was not unheard of for her to go to the supermarket with a ring on every finger. A family friend liked to joke that she was the long-lost twin of Elizabeth Taylor.
My grandfather once complained to my mother that he could never buy her off with jewelry: “If your mother ever gets angry at me, all I have to do is buy her a gold necklace and all is forgiven. Your sister is the same way. But you … I can never figure out what the hell you want.” (Neither can I.)
Grandma could be stern but she could also be sweet and on occasion she could even be fun. She never drank, but one time on a family trip to Disney World she ordered some spiked lemonade at a restaurant and really cut loose. After that my uncle always called her “funky Grandma.”
She had one of those big cabinet-sized record players. Her favorites were Elvis, the Beach Boys, and Bruce Springsteen. (She turned the volume up as high as it could go. On many a Saturday morning I awoke to the strains of “Can’t Help Falling in Love.” Even now I tear up thinking about it.) She attended a Springsteen concert in her 70s and squealed like a schoolgirl when he pointed directly at her.
At Christmastime she liked to play an old LP put out by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. My favorite was “O Holy Night.”
Whether that qualifies as “acclimating to white norms,” I can’t say.
Do Jews have a significant role in Australia?
Not really. Very over represented in wealth though. Nine of top 25 wealthiest Australians are Jewish.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/billionaire-gina-rinehart-sparks-controversy-2-a-day-pay-remark-article-1.1152735Replies: @AnotherDad, @kaganovitch
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/09/06/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-colin-tatz-and-the-genocide-charge-part-one/Replies: @sb
For all the fake Indians/Abos there are cases like my nephews/nieces: reddish hair, light eyes, white skin and they legitimately are part Indian (their mom was from Mexico and clearly a mestiza). They joke with my kids about how they will get racial preferences and seriously wonder whether it is better to click Hispanic or American Indian on college/job forms.
So it could occur over the next 20 years due to the flight from white...The Native American population grew 50% from 2000 to 2010, and 100% from 2010 to 2020 and may well increase 150% over the next decade to reach 25 million by 2030 and 60 million by 2030.
If Hispanics start to self-Identify as Native American the change will be faster. Of the 65 million Hispanic Americans less than 10% self-identify as Native American , yet most of them are more Native American ancestry than the typical Indian tribal members. But there is less incentive for Hispanics to identify as Indian , since they already get affirmative action for being Hispanic.Replies: @Travis
according to 23andme Blacks on average have 0.8% Native American ancestry, so the number of Americans with Native American ancestry is already closer to 150 million people today. The average White American has an average 0.1% Native American Ancestry and Hispanics have on average 35% Native American ancestry
A big reason the Native American population has increased 100% over since 2010 is due to genetic testing. I found out my DNA is 0.1% Native American which was not expected. Although my Paternal ancestors trace back to colonial days in Pennsylvania, we did not have any stories about being part Indian although it is certainly possible that one of my ancestors 300 years ago was Native American.
Speaking of mixed race, it could be interesting to see how many people of mixed race or métis as we call in Canada, are in Australia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Métis
A Ukrainian woman was awarded the Fields medal.
I’m sure shes a good mathematician but that certainly is convenient.
OT Apparently Bill Gates’ youngest daughter, Phoebe, is dating a black youth.
Young women now get stupid messaging--really bad advice at both the personal and national level--pumped at them 24x7x365 and are out of control. Or more precisely out of the control of level headed adults who care about "posterity".
I assume that most of this is divergent evolution--a lot, especially of mental traits, post-Neolithic revolution with settlement and ag. But it would be interesting to see some DNA parsing of the various out-of-Africa waves. Were later waves way more advanced in some capabilities, with structural differences compared to the early around-the-coast-to-Oz wave? I don't really follow the ancient DNA stuff independently of what Steve links to, so maybe there's some recent work that sheds light.Replies: @Rob
There was an OOA roughly 100 kya of anatomically (though not behaviorally) modern humans. As far as I know,no one is descended from them.
Stan, I think she might only be Chinese, about 60-70 years old in that pic:
https://i.imgur.com/TalVwuy.jpgReplies: @Stan Adams, @jejej
Yeah, I used to joke with Orientals (the word “Asian” is deliberately retarded) that after a certain age all their women look like Kim Jung Il.
The girls do not like that joke but the boys can not stop laughing.
As for the shooting, well, I lived 20 miles north of highland park a few years ago and know the area well.
Some of the houses there are extraordinary.
This dude’s house seemed more blah by comparison.
The rich kids there live dull, boring, but very safe and non-violent lives.
You can tell by his FACE TATTOOS that he was not quite one of them. He must have had at least one friend to do his videoing for him but overall it looks like life took a big shit on him and he figured he would fling some shit back.
As for guns:
Ideally? No guns on planet earth. Hell, no weapons or technology stronger than sticks.
Great. That out of the way, what to do?
One option would be repealing the second amendment.
What happens then?
Depends..So we have a government willing to take guns from blacks too? On the one hand even Trump isn’t strong enough to do it, on the other hand, even 5 foot Bloomberg is strong enough. So, I would say that yes, it can be done.
What about being protected from the government?
LOL.
The government imprisons a dozen innocent people every day, hell, maybe 5 dozen. No one knows and no one cares and guns have not saved any of them (excepting a couple of ranchers near Mesquite, Nevada a few years ago).
But doesn’t *the threat* of guns in many hands keep the government at bay from inflicting harm on the country as a whole?
The only good argument I heard along those lines was that in America there was never any actual Lockdown of the sort that there was in Australia and New Zealand. And for that we owe our guns.
Maybe.
But down under they were also given a living wage during the entirety of the lockdown while that was never on the table in America.
I can absolutely see why a nation might acquiesce to such Faucism when they’re getting paid for it. Even in America.
So. Defeatist naysaying aside (e.g. “They’ll never imprison as many blacks as necessary to get all their guns”) what actually happens if they repeal /replace the second amendment?
I personally know plenty of gun fanatics who claim they would revolt. But the fact is, that lacking a proper leader they will do no such thing. Witness the millions and millions of Americans who said they would not take the vax under any circumstances, and then went ahead and did it anyway. And witness how those who actually stood by their principles, simply got fired and that was the end of the story.
So, guns.
A. Do they do any good?
B. What happens if America follows the example of Australia and now Canada and other, even more serious countries, and does away with guns?
HUGE numbers of lives will be saved (including a large number of children). What else? Will we really be subject to stricter faucism?
My own bias is as anti-government as possible. I oppose drivers licenses. So you can be sure that I have no plan to vote to repeal one of the Bill of Rights.
But I’m starting to see the wisdom in doing so.
Nothing. Rubbing out 2A will not destroy a billion guns in circulation. To do that, extremely harsh legislation and fear of punishment, such as never been done before, is necessary. Closest approximation is War On Drugs - utter failure after 50 years, with 100,000 dead people per year. Number of involuntary gun deaths is far less. Best, practical, public policy is to pass minor legislation, periodically, whenever there is a great tragedy, so that public feels something is being done.Replies: @Joe Stalin
They did once. Four were elected to the first federal Parliament in 1901. Two on the Free Trade ticket, two on the Protectionist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_members_of_Australian_parliaments#Federal_parliament
However, banking seems to be dominated by Scots in that corner of the world.
“In Australia, Jewish leaders in both Sydney and Melbourne went to great lengths to tell me why and how the Jews are different in these two cities.”– Thomas Sowell (2011)
Not really. Very over represented in wealth though. Nine of top 25 wealthiest Australians are Jewish.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @J.Ross, @3g4me
In Australia Jewish politicians are remarkably rare. At present the only Jewish minister whose name comes to mind is Mark Dreyfus, our Attorney-General. I can’t think of another current Jewish MP.
Oddly enough, Jews were far more prominent in Australian politics in the colonial era (1850s to 1900), when they accounted for about 2 per cent of MPs despite being 0.4 per cent of the population (in 1901; that share of population is unchanged more than a century later).
There is a Jewish Justice on our High Court, but in the court’s history (since 1903) just two others (of around 50 in total) were Jewish.
Meanwhile, in Gotham City, the Joker sends his mexican and negro minions out into the streets on our country’s birthday to intentionally foment existential terror and mayhem…
The girls do not like that joke but the boys can not stop laughing.
As for the shooting, well, I lived 20 miles north of highland park a few years ago and know the area well.
Some of the houses there are extraordinary.
This dude's house seemed more blah by comparison.
The rich kids there live dull, boring, but very safe and non-violent lives.
You can tell by his FACE TATTOOS that he was not quite one of them. He must have had at least one friend to do his videoing for him but overall it looks like life took a big shit on him and he figured he would fling some shit back.
As for guns:
Ideally? No guns on planet earth. Hell, no weapons or technology stronger than sticks.
Great. That out of the way, what to do?
One option would be repealing the second amendment.
What happens then?
Depends..So we have a government willing to take guns from blacks too? On the one hand even Trump isn't strong enough to do it, on the other hand, even 5 foot Bloomberg is strong enough. So, I would say that yes, it can be done.
What about being protected from the government?
LOL.
The government imprisons a dozen innocent people every day, hell, maybe 5 dozen. No one knows and no one cares and guns have not saved any of them (excepting a couple of ranchers near Mesquite, Nevada a few years ago).
But doesn't *the threat* of guns in many hands keep the government at bay from inflicting harm on the country as a whole?
The only good argument I heard along those lines was that in America there was never any actual Lockdown of the sort that there was in Australia and New Zealand. And for that we owe our guns.
Maybe.
But down under they were also given a living wage during the entirety of the lockdown while that was never on the table in America.
I can absolutely see why a nation might acquiesce to such Faucism when they're getting paid for it. Even in America.
So. Defeatist naysaying aside (e.g. "They'll never imprison as many blacks as necessary to get all their guns") what actually happens if they repeal /replace the second amendment?
I personally know plenty of gun fanatics who claim they would revolt. But the fact is, that lacking a proper leader they will do no such thing. Witness the millions and millions of Americans who said they would not take the vax under any circumstances, and then went ahead and did it anyway. And witness how those who actually stood by their principles, simply got fired and that was the end of the story.
So, guns.
A. Do they do any good?
B. What happens if America follows the example of Australia and now Canada and other, even more serious countries, and does away with guns?
HUGE numbers of lives will be saved (including a large number of children). What else? Will we really be subject to stricter faucism?
My own bias is as anti-government as possible. I oppose drivers licenses. So you can be sure that I have no plan to vote to repeal one of the Bill of Rights.
But I'm starting to see the wisdom in doing so.Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby
What happens then?
Nothing. Rubbing out 2A will not destroy a billion guns in circulation. To do that, extremely harsh legislation and fear of punishment, such as never been done before, is necessary. Closest approximation is War On Drugs – utter failure after 50 years, with 100,000 dead people per year. Number of involuntary gun deaths is far less. Best, practical, public policy is to pass minor legislation, periodically, whenever there is a great tragedy, so that public feels something is being done.
But the very nature of gun ownership means that most of it cannot be confiscated under any circumstance. Everyone knows who lives on their block: it's all in SOME private database. Gun owners KNOW where everyone who is working to destroy the 2A lives.
The Gun Controller knows that; so do the Gun Owners aka People's Militia.
Everyone NEEDS an AR-15 because that's what the TPTB fear. Rifles are the People's Combat Power.
That's why the State of Israel doesn't want civilians to own rifles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfvARxp1FM
And why politicals in the USA from CA, Highland Park, IL, NJ don't want you to have combat effective modern rifles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemPi-X9MV4Replies: @epebble
https://i.ibb.co/7RKSb90/DB975-EF7-27-A6-439-E-9-A89-05-F0-E6010-D3-A.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad, @jejej
Apparently Bill did not have “the Talk” with Phoebe. Or if he did, it did not take.
Young women now get stupid messaging–really bad advice at both the personal and national level–pumped at them 24x7x365 and are out of control. Or more precisely out of the control of level headed adults who care about “posterity”.
Hysterical European news headline: a little over halfway through 2022, the US has seen 333 mass shootings and 15 mass killings.
Questions arise:
Was the baking of fifty Central American slaves trafficked over the border in an unventilated uncooled metal box one of those killings? What about the routine group-killing of smaller numbers by cartels and coyotes?
Did we have Obama-stype weekly mass shootings under the divisive President Trump? How would it be that the crazies know to go crazy under a government that legalized domestic propaganda and know to calm down under a government that stops it and then knows to Awake again?
Is there a starker illustration of Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings?
The Census just measures box ticks; there is no verification. The increase in claimed population reflects the huge benefits being bestowed on Aboriginals or those claiming to have some Aboriginal background.
There is also a big campaign to give First Nations people political power over and above the rights other people have. Schools, universities and the media already promote a glamorized view.
If you want a good academic or government job, or want to avoid paying for your university education, becoming Indigenous is a valuable strategy.
To access jobs, self declarations are sufficient. To access some government benefits, statements from a local Aboriginal group are enough. There is very little checking.
Not really. Very over represented in wealth though. Nine of top 25 wealthiest Australians are Jewish.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @J.Ross, @3g4me
That overweight plutocrat who complained that Australian workers dare to expect to be paid and therefore we need open borders was ½. So you see how there is the usual squeaky wheel effect.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/billionaire-gina-rinehart-sparks-controversy-2-a-day-pay-remark-article-1.1152735
I don't think Gina Rinehart is at all Jewish. Where do you get half from?Replies: @J.Ross
No information entrusted to government is ‘secure’ by any normal definition of the word.
With reference specifically to the census, the track record of the Australian Bureau of Statistics on matters census-y is best expressed in the hashtag #CensusFail which has been doing the rounds since the last census in 2016, when typical government procurement
corruptionfuckups led to• IBM being given the contract;
• IBM then implementing cybersecurity at sub-uDemy levels of skill;
• ABS getting egg on its face and spending money trying to convince the schlubs that the fuckups were a ‘foreign state actor DDoS‘ rather than pure incompetence and inadequate – but hyper-costly – resourcing; and lastly
• unknown and unknowable levels of residual infiltration of ABS systems.
A sensible adversary that gets into a compromised backend, does not get some goodies and then leave.
A sensible adversary gets the goodies, and leaves behind some code fragments that later enable access to the same hardware.
Done right, access is more or less in perpetuity – including cross-infecting internal networks in ways that survive the entire network’s routing infrastructure being replaced.
And when it’s known that supposed constraints regarding data-sharing between government agencies (and between Federal and State governments) are bullshit, it’s clear that the infection can be spread to State agencies as well. For example: the [Federal] Australian Electoral Commission ‘knows’ when you change your address with [State-level] VicRoads – so there’s an obvious data-exchange happening, so there’s a ‘pipe’ between the two systems.
This is why every byte of data held by the Australian government – on any citizen – can be had for less than the cost of
• 2 Domino’s [absolutely shit] pizzas, or
• one nice Super Supreme with hot salami, extra cheese and double anchovies (from a proper wog pizzeria staffed by proper wogs rather than pajeets).
When governments pay a fortune for consulting-firm dickheads with ‘cybersecurity analyst’ on their business cards, they are not getting genuine talent – is what I’m sayin’.
Nothing. Rubbing out 2A will not destroy a billion guns in circulation. To do that, extremely harsh legislation and fear of punishment, such as never been done before, is necessary. Closest approximation is War On Drugs - utter failure after 50 years, with 100,000 dead people per year. Number of involuntary gun deaths is far less. Best, practical, public policy is to pass minor legislation, periodically, whenever there is a great tragedy, so that public feels something is being done.Replies: @Joe Stalin
The cosmopolitan Gun Controller thinks they hold all the cards, that their databases allow them to concentrate government power to destroy gun owners.
But the very nature of gun ownership means that most of it cannot be confiscated under any circumstance. Everyone knows who lives on their block: it’s all in SOME private database. Gun owners KNOW where everyone who is working to destroy the 2A lives.
The Gun Controller knows that; so do the Gun Owners aka People’s Militia.
Everyone NEEDS an AR-15 because that’s what the TPTB fear. Rifles are the People’s Combat Power.
That’s why the State of Israel doesn’t want civilians to own rifles.
And why politicals in the USA from CA, Highland Park, IL, NJ don’t want you to have combat effective modern rifles.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/billionaire-gina-rinehart-sparks-controversy-2-a-day-pay-remark-article-1.1152735Replies: @AnotherDad, @kaganovitch
If people want to get their nations back, it may be necessary to string some of these scumbags up, so they get the message.
At a minimum–kick them out. You have no respect for us, for our nation–bye.
Nah, Rinehart is as Australian as Malcolm Turnbull. Some scumbags are home grown, sad to say. I know you think minoritarianism is responsible for all the ills in the world. It's not, just most of them.Replies: @AnotherDad
Who?
For fuck’s sake. Talk about a constrained world-view.
Just let this seep in: the US whaling industry isn’t the same as the GLOBAL whaling industry.
The first two whaling ships in the seas off New Zealand[1] (turn right at Bass Strait from Straya‘s east coast) were the William and Ann and the Britannia, both in the early 1790s.
Both ships went a-whalin‘ after dropping off their outbound cargo of convicts in the trendy new tourist destinations in Australia. Their home ports were Leith and London, respectively.
There were also Russian, French and Portuguese whalers (and sealers) plying the waters in the region.
None of these were likely to have been crewed by your far-thinking Yank Quakers, methinks.
William and Ann‘s normal hunting ground was the Spitsbergen whaling grounds off the Svalbard archipelago near modern Norway, along with a goodly number of German and Dutch vessels. But she did at least 3 trips to carry convicts to Australia, and went whalin‘ after each ‘drop-off’.
It is not remotely implausible to hear tales of routine savagery towards Aborigines in the late 18th/early 19th century; the incoming ‘settlers’ did all sorts of inhumane things for sport (like decapitating the male, and making his wife wear the severed head on a string around her neck for a while; or cutting off the man’s dick & balls, and watching him bleed out).
The stories one hears about whalers in Bass Strait, are of a piece with the well-documented stories of this type from the time – taken from people’s own diaries and correspondence (sometimes – but not always – giving first-person accounts).
That doesn’t mean that every white person did this sort of thing, or that a significant majority weren’t horrified – although the government was not remotely interested in prosecuting any of the perpetrators, so it’s unlikely that there was a groundswell of support for protection of the poor black bastards.
So to the extent that ‘the people’ are morally responsible for the actions of their governments, the Australian people carry a significant moral debt.
The fact that Aborigines are cognitively and behaviorally unsuited to the Western way of life doesn’t mitigate – in fact it makes it worse, in the same way that it’s worse to claim that it’s OK to abuse retarded children because they’re not ‘fully human’, than it is to abuse ‘normal’ children.
[1] New Zealand doesn’t exist. Don’t try to go there. It’s entirely imaginary, and nobody wants Yanks there anyhow.
https://i.ibb.co/7RKSb90/DB975-EF7-27-A6-439-E-9-A89-05-F0-E6010-D3-A.jpgReplies: @AnotherDad, @jejej
The other one coverted to Islam and married an Arab in an Islamic wedding.
> [Bill Gates' other daughter] converted to Islam and married an Arab in an Islamic wedding.
Well, last October, 25-year-old Jennifer and Chicago-born Nayel Nassar, 31, invited Vogue to cover their extremely tasteful wedding at her horse farm in northern Westchester County. The two millionaire Stanford grads took pains to schedule the event so that it didn't interfere with her clinical rotations or his Olympic equestrian ambitions. Vogue and the Daily Mail noted that the weekend kicked off with an intimate Islamic ceremony, but the emphasis was on the two Vera Wang gowns and the couple's present and future happiness.
"Honoring both families' traditions while remaining steadfast in their mainstream Belmont secularism" is probably a better description of this 0.01% ceremony.Replies: @kaganovitch
Lindsay Lohan is now Mrs. Shammas
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lindsay-lohan-marries-bader-shammas
And this was last month:
Britney Spears is now Mrs. Asghari
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/entertainment/britney-spears-wedding/index.html
{ Asghari is Iranian, not Arab }Replies: @jejej
Australia is well on its way to being taken over by a materialist, legalistic, millennially ancient, supremacist cult, but it’s not Jews.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/billionaire-gina-rinehart-sparks-controversy-2-a-day-pay-remark-article-1.1152735Replies: @AnotherDad, @kaganovitch
That overweight plutocrat who complained that Australian workers dare to expect to be paid and therefore we need open borders was ½. So you see how there is the usual squeaky wheel effect.
I don’t think Gina Rinehart is at all Jewish. Where do you get half from?
If people want to get their nations back, it may be necessary to string some of these scumbags up, so they get the message.
Nah, Rinehart is as Australian as Malcolm Turnbull. Some scumbags are home grown, sad to say. I know you think minoritarianism is responsible for all the ills in the world. It’s not, just most of them.
Criminals--out. But also greedy pigs who are disloyal to their fellow citizens. I don't care if they flew in yesterday or have ancestors who've been there 234 years.
I don't think Gina Rinehart is at all Jewish. Where do you get half from?Replies: @J.Ross
https://jewishbusinessnews.com/2018/03/07/jews-make-19-forbes-200-worlds-richest-list/
Nah, Rinehart is as Australian as Malcolm Turnbull. Some scumbags are home grown, sad to say. I know you think minoritarianism is responsible for all the ills in the world. It's not, just most of them.Replies: @AnotherDad
I get that. My view is that your nation is not an entitlement. Community is by mutual choice. Both accepting the community’s norms and loyalty are required.
Criminals–out. But also greedy pigs who are disloyal to their fellow citizens. I don’t care if they flew in yesterday or have ancestors who’ve been there 234 years.
One of the better known phoney aborigines is a bloke named Bruce Pascoe who writes fictional books about how aboriginal people pre white settlement lived in towns and had developed agriculture .
He does quite well off his books which have ( of course ) become standard textbooks .
Apparently he has admitted that on the face of it he has no aboriginal ancestry but is insistent that there must be some mistake about this as he instinctively “knows” that he is aboriginal .
also OT:
> [Bill Gates’ other daughter] converted to Islam and married an Arab in an Islamic wedding.
Well, last October, 25-year-old Jennifer and Chicago-born Nayel Nassar, 31, invited Vogue to cover their extremely tasteful wedding at her horse farm in northern Westchester County. The two millionaire Stanford grads took pains to schedule the event so that it didn’t interfere with her clinical rotations or his Olympic equestrian ambitions. Vogue and the Daily Mail noted that the weekend kicked off with an intimate Islamic ceremony, but the emphasis was on the two Vera Wang gowns and the couple’s present and future happiness.
“Honoring both families’ traditions while remaining steadfast in their mainstream Belmont secularism” is probably a better description of this 0.01% ceremony.
Well said.
So kangaroo is now kosher? Wombat? Koala bear?
"Opening Soon! Outback Deli!"
Replies: @Che Guava
I’d just hit LOL, but time limit. AFAIK. none of those breach kosher rules.
I hear that koalas are in trouble, also inedible, for wombat, farmers hate them, so best if both are protected.
> [Bill Gates' other daughter] converted to Islam and married an Arab in an Islamic wedding.
Well, last October, 25-year-old Jennifer and Chicago-born Nayel Nassar, 31, invited Vogue to cover their extremely tasteful wedding at her horse farm in northern Westchester County. The two millionaire Stanford grads took pains to schedule the event so that it didn't interfere with her clinical rotations or his Olympic equestrian ambitions. Vogue and the Daily Mail noted that the weekend kicked off with an intimate Islamic ceremony, but the emphasis was on the two Vera Wang gowns and the couple's present and future happiness.
"Honoring both families' traditions while remaining steadfast in their mainstream Belmont secularism" is probably a better description of this 0.01% ceremony.Replies: @kaganovitch
“Honoring both families’ traditions while remaining steadfast in their mainstream Belmont secularism” is probably a better description of this 0.01% ceremony.
Well said.
I see, but complete fiction on their part.
Talking of converted to Islam and married an Arab in an Islamic wedding , this was news yesterday:
Lindsay Lohan is now Mrs. Shammas
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lindsay-lohan-marries-bader-shammas
And this was last month:
Britney Spears is now Mrs. Asghari
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/entertainment/britney-spears-wedding/index.html
{ Asghari is Iranian, not Arab }
Women want to marry into a Tradition.
Secularism had its day and that day is past. It hss devolved into whatever the latest tiktok craze happens to be.
Girls who descend from 2 or 3 generations of seculars don't have a warm place in their heart for Christianity (hell, even the pope is embarrassed of being Catholic) so if they are intellectually put together they find Judaism attractive (and want their kids to have it in their heritage), see Chelsea and Ivanka.
And if they are likely to feel uncomfortable at a dinner table of scientists and other literates they are likely to find Islamic heritage attractive. Not Burkha Islam generally, but something to tether them - and their kids - to a pre-twitter past.Replies: @epebble
Just reverse-passing. Whites pretending to be colored (in this case Aborigines) for all the goods to be had. Here in Canada half the Indian- native- aboriginal-indigenous (the term keeps changing) population are whites eager to get on the gravy train. The government just awarded them another 20 billion dollars.
Well, yeah, when you give a population special privileges, more people will step up and claim their membership.Replies: @anonymouseperson
You should see it here in Canada where people as white as snow claim to be “Indians”. Personally I identify as the “boogala-oogala” ethnicity but that doesn’t get me any government goodies.
But the very nature of gun ownership means that most of it cannot be confiscated under any circumstance. Everyone knows who lives on their block: it's all in SOME private database. Gun owners KNOW where everyone who is working to destroy the 2A lives.
The Gun Controller knows that; so do the Gun Owners aka People's Militia.
Everyone NEEDS an AR-15 because that's what the TPTB fear. Rifles are the People's Combat Power.
That's why the State of Israel doesn't want civilians to own rifles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfvARxp1FM
And why politicals in the USA from CA, Highland Park, IL, NJ don't want you to have combat effective modern rifles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemPi-X9MV4Replies: @epebble
Very good example of how Public Policy should match the nature of Public. Israeli Public Policy is well suited for Israelis, U.S. 2A is well suited for Americans. Trying to equalize them will lead to disaster.
Who said anything about Jews?
I’m talking about people who are disloyal to their fellow citizens. Yes, a lot of Jews revel in their disloyalty, in pissing on the goyim who actually built the nice nations they are middle manning. It’s part of their whole us-them thing–specifically rejecting integration with the goyim in favor of their tribalism. That’s why Jews are often in the ideological vanguard of shitting on Western nations. But they are hardly the only ones. There are lots of crappy people willing to sell out the interests of their fellow citizens–even their own children, posterity–for their immediate profit, power, status. Joe Biden comes to mind.
I say “off with their heads”. Well, actually I say “separate nations”, but it’s the same point: The normal productive people of a nation are entitled to live according to their norms, build and maintain their nation to pass on down to their children. They need not, should not, tolerate–and support–people who are hostile to that, destructive of that.
To Aussies I say kick this Rhinehart bitch–and her like–out.
They were late comers to the scam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Owl
He does quite well off his books which have ( of course ) become standard textbooks .
Apparently he has admitted that on the face of it he has no aboriginal ancestry but is insistent that there must be some mistake about this as he instinctively "knows" that he is aboriginal .Replies: @J.Ross
Like the fake Cherokee who wrote Bastard Out Of Carolina: of course a man living a lie would be a great author.
Australian Abos are the same race as India’s Australoid population, and while Indians are mostly mixed race with quite a lot of White ancestry from ancient Aryan migrations, it’s the Australoid blood that makes them dark and breed like rats. The only reason Australian Abos weren’t ticking 300 million in the 1800s is that they were stuck in the stone age technology wise and had little resistance to Eurasian diseases which thinned their numbers down. While the large uptick in membership is partly due to self-identification, it’s not the only reason.
The girls do not like that joke but the boys can not stop laughing.
As for the shooting, well, I lived 20 miles north of highland park a few years ago and know the area well.
Some of the houses there are extraordinary.
This dude's house seemed more blah by comparison.
The rich kids there live dull, boring, but very safe and non-violent lives.
You can tell by his FACE TATTOOS that he was not quite one of them. He must have had at least one friend to do his videoing for him but overall it looks like life took a big shit on him and he figured he would fling some shit back.
As for guns:
Ideally? No guns on planet earth. Hell, no weapons or technology stronger than sticks.
Great. That out of the way, what to do?
One option would be repealing the second amendment.
What happens then?
Depends..So we have a government willing to take guns from blacks too? On the one hand even Trump isn't strong enough to do it, on the other hand, even 5 foot Bloomberg is strong enough. So, I would say that yes, it can be done.
What about being protected from the government?
LOL.
The government imprisons a dozen innocent people every day, hell, maybe 5 dozen. No one knows and no one cares and guns have not saved any of them (excepting a couple of ranchers near Mesquite, Nevada a few years ago).
But doesn't *the threat* of guns in many hands keep the government at bay from inflicting harm on the country as a whole?
The only good argument I heard along those lines was that in America there was never any actual Lockdown of the sort that there was in Australia and New Zealand. And for that we owe our guns.
Maybe.
But down under they were also given a living wage during the entirety of the lockdown while that was never on the table in America.
I can absolutely see why a nation might acquiesce to such Faucism when they're getting paid for it. Even in America.
So. Defeatist naysaying aside (e.g. "They'll never imprison as many blacks as necessary to get all their guns") what actually happens if they repeal /replace the second amendment?
I personally know plenty of gun fanatics who claim they would revolt. But the fact is, that lacking a proper leader they will do no such thing. Witness the millions and millions of Americans who said they would not take the vax under any circumstances, and then went ahead and did it anyway. And witness how those who actually stood by their principles, simply got fired and that was the end of the story.
So, guns.
A. Do they do any good?
B. What happens if America follows the example of Australia and now Canada and other, even more serious countries, and does away with guns?
HUGE numbers of lives will be saved (including a large number of children). What else? Will we really be subject to stricter faucism?
My own bias is as anti-government as possible. I oppose drivers licenses. So you can be sure that I have no plan to vote to repeal one of the Bill of Rights.
But I'm starting to see the wisdom in doing so.Replies: @epebble, @duncsbaby
Life’s gonna take an even bigger shit on him now. If he thought he had it bad before . . .
Lindsay Lohan is now Mrs. Shammas
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/lindsay-lohan-marries-bader-shammas
And this was last month:
Britney Spears is now Mrs. Asghari
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/entertainment/britney-spears-wedding/index.html
{ Asghari is Iranian, not Arab }Replies: @jejej
Yup.
Women want to marry into a Tradition.
Secularism had its day and that day is past. It hss devolved into whatever the latest tiktok craze happens to be.
Girls who descend from 2 or 3 generations of seculars don’t have a warm place in their heart for Christianity (hell, even the pope is embarrassed of being Catholic) so if they are intellectually put together they find Judaism attractive (and want their kids to have it in their heritage), see Chelsea and Ivanka.
And if they are likely to feel uncomfortable at a dinner table of scientists and other literates they are likely to find Islamic heritage attractive. Not Burkha Islam generally, but something to tether them – and their kids – to a pre-twitter past.
I think in these instances at least they married for Green -No, not the color of Islam - the Color of money.
The fact is if you identify as an Aboriginal you get access to a lot of \$ perks, that are denied to others.
I have 2 cousins who by good luck were conceived via IVF sperm from a partly Aboriginal man; the lesbian mum didn’t know of that.
So I gather the cousins are 1/8th Aboriginal. They are mostly Irish-Australians with a bit of English; ancestors going back 150-200+ years here. But because they ID as “Aboriginal” they had a golden road of benefits delivered to them. For example their law degrees were paid for by the government and by grants for “indigenous” Australians.
Meanwhile “white” Australians – of multiple generations here – have to pay for those, to the tune of \$30,000 to 100,000+ [varying on how advanced they want to go].
My cousins barely look “Aboriginal”. They are very good looking and I doubt they’ve ever heard a mean word about the 1/8th part of their Aboriginal ancestry.
They’ve no doubt heard tons of mean words about the 7/8ths of “white” ancestry though.
Being why they ID as the 1/8th.
Thanks, Whoopty and jejeje! You just made my day! ( I’m having a sinful schadenfreude moment).
Not really. Very over represented in wealth though. Nine of top 25 wealthiest Australians are Jewish.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne, @J.Ross, @3g4me
@118 kaganovitch: BS as usual.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/09/06/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-colin-tatz-and-the-genocide-charge-part-one/
Jews -especially first or second generation in Australia Jews - or those who could have easily immigrated to Israel -hate with a vengeance the Old Anglo-Celtic dominant Australia .
Every I Hate Australia movement seems to have these newcomer Jews - like Colin Tatz , a South African Jewish immigrant , at the forefront .Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Some leftist politicians might have a solution. Reservations can open abortion clinics in states like OK, FL, AZ. Some Indians get casinos…
Women want to marry into a Tradition.
Secularism had its day and that day is past. It hss devolved into whatever the latest tiktok craze happens to be.
Girls who descend from 2 or 3 generations of seculars don't have a warm place in their heart for Christianity (hell, even the pope is embarrassed of being Catholic) so if they are intellectually put together they find Judaism attractive (and want their kids to have it in their heritage), see Chelsea and Ivanka.
And if they are likely to feel uncomfortable at a dinner table of scientists and other literates they are likely to find Islamic heritage attractive. Not Burkha Islam generally, but something to tether them - and their kids - to a pre-twitter past.Replies: @epebble
Women want to marry into a Tradition.
I think in these instances at least they married for Green -No, not the color of Islam – the Color of money.
I saw that clip on YouTube. I never saw an explanation for why he was trying to bring diseased plants into the country. It seemed a strange thing to do.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/09/06/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-colin-tatz-and-the-genocide-charge-part-one/Replies: @sb
Exactly
Jews -especially first or second generation in Australia Jews – or those who could have easily immigrated to Israel -hate with a vengeance the Old Anglo-Celtic dominant Australia .
Every I Hate Australia movement seems to have these newcomer Jews – like Colin Tatz , a South African Jewish immigrant , at the forefront .
I'm asking because Australian Jews sound EXACTLY like American Jews.
Jews -especially first or second generation in Australia Jews - or those who could have easily immigrated to Israel -hate with a vengeance the Old Anglo-Celtic dominant Australia .
Every I Hate Australia movement seems to have these newcomer Jews - like Colin Tatz , a South African Jewish immigrant , at the forefront .Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
Are you Australian?
I’m asking because Australian Jews sound EXACTLY like American Jews.
"Oh, oh, this old world keeps spinning 'round. It's a wonder tall trees ain't laying down."
Nobody said you had to pass high school physics to be a rock and folk musician ...Replies: @Ganderson
Helps to have a dad in the Hockey Hall of Fame, though.