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From the Sydney Morning Herald:

Ever since the Bolt case a decade ago, it has been more or less legally risky in Australia to question in the media just how Indigenous a person claiming to be the First Indigenous Whatever actually is. So reporters don’t dare ask the people they are celebrating exactly what their fraction of Aboriginal ancestry is.

My impression is that Aboriginal appearance genes tend to be among the most recessive of any racial group, so some of these extremely white-looking Firsts might be 1/8th or even 1/4th Aboriginal. But others could be getting down toward Elizabeth Warren levels. You might think there’d be a Conversation in Australia about what exactly the limit is to qualify as Aboriginal, but then, that’s illegal.

 
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  1. Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn’t some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Thomm

    I suspect this might be an urban legend. Or at least the difference in recessivity is being exaggerated. It's just that blacks in America are not as interbred with whites as a population and Meghan Markle types are not as omnipresent.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    , @Bill Jones
    @Thomm

    Good question, Thanks.

    , @J.Ross
    @Thomm

    Brazil began a poorly-considered experiment with large-scale miscegnation in the 19th century. It was expected that a line would be acceptably "white" by the third generation, having one nonwhite ancestor. Brazilians describing what happened say it would've worked had the original criteria been maintained. At the time they were getting a lot of white immigration. That leveled off, and the nonwhite ancestry was not kept to one. As a result, there's a big mess, with the general result that Brazilians can't have nice things.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Thomm

    A very good question.

    Interbreeding of Africans with some more dominant-genes early humanoids?

    , @Mr. Grey
    @Thomm

    The idea that black genes are not recessive is I think based on a bias that we notice when a white woman gives birth to a biracial baby, but nobody cares that American blacks look different from Africans due to European blood.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    , @Curt Doolittle
    @Thomm

    In general, contrary to our intuition, neotenous genes are not only advanced by a universal selection bias, but by dominance in expression. We do not know why they are dominant. Other than it's likely that large scale downregulation or decrease in volume of stem cell migration from the neural tube is widely distributed.

  2. I have to admit that these white “aborigine ” success stories usually just bring a smile to my face .

    the lucky recipients of the affirmative action largess are usually working class whites who would never in the normal course of things ever get into medical school and if they somehow did that would never qualify for a specialty training program
    I figure that anyone who has had family in the country for say 150 years can usually make this claim of aboriginality and probably get away with it ( no DNA tests are required )
    Probably descended from convicts and agricultural labourers but always with the possibility that somewhere there just might be a touch of the tar brush ( which of course previously was always vigorously denied but now in our more enlightened age can be shouted from the rooftops )

    Lets face it they are probably taking away a place that would otherwise go to some Asian nerd

    • LOL: Lancelot_Link
    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @sb

    Good point.

    I can't. Unfortunately, lay claim to any sort of pre-stoneage retardation wherein I would rake oysters up my boy's cock till it was flayed and then lay him tied to stakes as the ants ate him, till days later came back to see who were alive and could join our tribe.

    For there is only one tribe me and my people belong to: the White Tribe!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGp47YwDZ48

    (I love White commentary. So whip smart.)

    Replies: @njguy73

  3. You could parse each sentence of this informercial for White women masquerading as an anti-biotic resistant gonorrhea recipient truly Aboriginal woman of Jabiru and still have more gold to mine.

    How absolutely deluded to post this in Australia’s most prestigious newspaper of “record”?

    This is supreme Shitlib Australia.

    Think about the mindset that promotes a clearly White woman with an obvious Irish surname as somehow traducing patriarchy, racism, skin colour, and hateful violent prejudice all without a skip, beat or even ironic laugh at the reader for having a laugh at our expense.

    It’s magisterial in its condescension.

    • Replies: @Richard of Melbourne
    @Pat Hannagan

    It's been many, many years since the SMH was regarded as a "prestigious newspaper of record".

    The SMH has had the same trajectory as the NYT, and for basically the same reasons, albeit from a more modest starting point.

  4. She’s a very pretty young woman.

    A quick search revealed this article about her University of Western Sydney indigenous med school cohort. The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:

    • Thanks: bomag
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Thomm
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:
     
    Without the blonde dyejob seen in the newspaper article, her mixed ancestry registering at perhaps 25% is at least a little more plausible from her appearance in the earlier photos.

    It goes to show that if one is part-white or near-white, coloring one's hair can make their race rather ambiguous.

    But NOT in the Ronald McDonald approach that Nicole Hannah-Jones is taking (above).

    , @prosa123
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I can maybe see something a bit different, for lack of a better term, about the man second from left, Paul Saunders. Had I looked at the photo without knowing anything about its context I would not have thought that he had any non-European ancestry, but now that I know the context I am not completely surprised by his background.

    , @syonredux
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Quite a distance from the genuine article....

    https://i1.wp.com/nikkirosety.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/Lena-and-Rosie-Pula.jpg



    https://rightnow.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/3825073020_3a6e5a7a4e_o-800x440.jpg

    I guess that that means that the plan is working...


    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d108MMd8j9I/U6lpswqXjXI/AAAAAAAAAig/on9j33pI6eE/s1600/stolen7.jpg

  5. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    I suspect this might be an urban legend. Or at least the difference in recessivity is being exaggerated. It’s just that blacks in America are not as interbred with whites as a population and Meghan Markle types are not as omnipresent.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @IHTG

    I wouldn't agree. Statistically, even 2 or 3 generations after mixing with whites, Africans somehow look, recognizably- partly "African" (nose, hair, facial features,..).

    Not so with Australian Abos, who completely vanish, visually, into white looks.

    Replies: @Ben the Layabout, @occasional lurker

    , @Paperback Writer
    @IHTG

    It is an urban legend. Once you get down to 1/8 black, it's impossible to tell. "Black" phenotypical genes are no more dominant than any other.

    , @Ralph L
    @IHTG

    Markle had her nose narrowed as a teenager and uses hair straightener. She also uses bronzer to hide the yellow and the freckles she got when younger.

  6. Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I’m not paying close attention.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @HammerJack


    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I’m not paying close attention.
     
    I was in the store for a few items/ I had checked out so was gazing out the windows. This fairly chubby black woman with purple hair was walking in. Not out and out purple. Her hair was a mix of purple and the natural black. I did a double take. Her hair was done Bozo style like the above ugly Ms. Jones

    At the same time I saw 4-5 Latino women ages 20-25 at the checkout counters. All at healthy weights and all had long black hair. All with good looks and taking care of themselves. No tattoos I could see.

    , @Lancelot_Link
    @HammerJack

    Is that Raggedy D'Anne?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @bomag
    @HammerJack


    NHJ also said the media only cares about "Europeans with blond hair and blue eyes"...
     
    Kinda wish this was true.
    , @Barnard
    @HammerJack

    She also recently lost an argument on Twitter where she claimed Europe isn't really an continent. We will see if the idiotic idea of claiming it is part of Asia catches on with the woke crowd. No word why they consider Africa different.

    , @syonredux
    @HammerJack

    Well, I know that I care about Europeans with dark hair and dark eyes....

    https://www.hdwallpaper.nu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/monica_bellucci-1.jpg

    Replies: @Yngvar

  7. @sb
    I have to admit that these white "aborigine " success stories usually just bring a smile to my face .

    the lucky recipients of the affirmative action largess are usually working class whites who would never in the normal course of things ever get into medical school and if they somehow did that would never qualify for a specialty training program
    I figure that anyone who has had family in the country for say 150 years can usually make this claim of aboriginality and probably get away with it ( no DNA tests are required )
    Probably descended from convicts and agricultural labourers but always with the possibility that somewhere there just might be a touch of the tar brush ( which of course previously was always vigorously denied but now in our more enlightened age can be shouted from the rooftops )

    Lets face it they are probably taking away a place that would otherwise go to some Asian nerd

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Good point.

    I can’t. Unfortunately, lay claim to any sort of pre-stoneage retardation wherein I would rake oysters up my boy’s cock till it was flayed and then lay him tied to stakes as the ants ate him, till days later came back to see who were alive and could join our tribe.

    For there is only one tribe me and my people belong to: the White Tribe!

    (I love White commentary. So whip smart.)

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Pat Hannagan

    That song was my bop in 1990.

  8. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    Good question, Thanks.

  9. Aborigine of Denmark, maybe.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  10. Firstly, fair play to this individual, she clearly has all sorts of can-do which I lack. And yes, big bonus points for succeeding despite being raised in an aboriginal community…the stories I heard from mates raised that way, were frankly blood-curdling! (Plus with lots of charming stone age wildlife adventures…it ain’t all bad. I think I’d still prefer to be reborn a free-range abo kid dodging cops and crocs, rather than a hot-housed Chinese maths & piano rich kid. Though one leads to way more Western success than the other, obviously.)

    I remember having a new lowest-rung job up in the mines, and working for the day with, apparently, a hot Italian chick. And she was hot, despite having higher-T than me, as went with the territory for mining ladies. Anyhow, the topic got around to getting this job, getting the next job, and I was lamenting all the entry-level good jobs that were indigenous-only, and that my years of tickets and outlay had me cleaning toilets. But as I said to her, I just really don’t begrudge anyone else’s good fortune, fair or not. When she mentioned that she was indigenous of the xyz tribe, my heart didn’t even skip a beat like it would today. My reply of “Oh, I thought you were just a wog” received a pregnant pause…but it was ok. I was maybe a loose cant, but I didn’t bare any ill-will, and she read that fairly…so on we went. Would probably be blackballed now ten years later.

    Another time I was drinking (heavily) after work with Peruuvians, Philo’s, and a grey-haired blue-eyed (reluctant) aboriginal elder. He was a classic beer and footy and shagging Thai birds Aussie. Anyhow, this random kid was there, and he was a sub-sub-contractor asking how to get to get a stable job there or anywhere. We collectively had no clue, until a few days later it dropped that he was 1/8th aboriginal. Oh man! You’ve got the golden ticket!!! Talk to this mob, talk to this guy! The client, (big transnational You’ve heard of,) were offering him etc a six-figure salary to train for four years in any apprenticeship under the sun. Take six years if you need it! Forget the fairness of it, we were all just happy to open his eyes and help a brutha out.

  11. The same thing happens in the U.S. with recent immigrants from Africa getting about 50% of the “black” student admissions at the Ivy Leagues or applicants who can trace an ancestor back to South America or the Azores claiming to be Latino.

    There was an article in the Washington Post more than a decade ago that discussed how many of the Latino applicants to the US Naval Academy attend elite college prep private schools.

  12. Doing a Dolezal without the bronzer … sweet!

    • LOL: Lancelot_Link
  13. @Pat Hannagan
    You could parse each sentence of this informercial for White women masquerading as an anti-biotic resistant gonorrhea recipient truly Aboriginal woman of Jabiru and still have more gold to mine.

    How absolutely deluded to post this in Australia's most prestigious newspaper of "record"?

    This is supreme Shitlib Australia.

    Think about the mindset that promotes a clearly White woman with an obvious Irish surname as somehow traducing patriarchy, racism, skin colour, and hateful violent prejudice all without a skip, beat or even ironic laugh at the reader for having a laugh at our expense.

    It's magisterial in its condescension.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nItuhuY1U04

    Replies: @Richard of Melbourne

    It’s been many, many years since the SMH was regarded as a “prestigious newspaper of record”.

    The SMH has had the same trajectory as the NYT, and for basically the same reasons, albeit from a more modest starting point.

  14. @HammerJack
    Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    https://i.ibb.co/k9YLj12/Screenshot-20220228-050555-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I'm not paying close attention.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Lancelot_Link, @bomag, @Barnard, @syonredux

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I’m not paying close attention.

    I was in the store for a few items/ I had checked out so was gazing out the windows. This fairly chubby black woman with purple hair was walking in. Not out and out purple. Her hair was a mix of purple and the natural black. I did a double take. Her hair was done Bozo style like the above ugly Ms. Jones

    At the same time I saw 4-5 Latino women ages 20-25 at the checkout counters. All at healthy weights and all had long black hair. All with good looks and taking care of themselves. No tattoos I could see.

  15. Hey she forgot her mask! Best looking Aboriginal woman I have ever seen. Curious if any of them that actually look like Aborigines have graduated from medical school.

    • Replies: @Vox Australis
    @Hannah Katz

    In Western Australia, where I live, the local newspaper seems to be staffed exclusively by woke journalists (mostly female) and it frequently run stories about Aborigines who have graduated as doctors or in other professions. Most of them are female, and could pass for white. I do notice that none of these Aborigines are graduating in engineering, computing, or the hard sciences. I suspect that most of these "Aboriginal" doctors will find employment in clinics which deal mainly with Aboriginal patients. Also, I have not heard of any Aboriginal doctors who have become specialists.

  16. I don’t know about her being a Gunu Gunu woman, she looks like a Euro Euro woman to me.

  17. LOL. As ever, the demand for high achieving people of diversity greatly outstrips the supply, but in a way this attempt at box checking is far less harmful for society than the American practice of elevating actual minorities far above their qualifications.

    Since Ms. Farrelly is the first alleged aborigine surgeon, presumably med schools in Australia still use objective metrics to select who gets in or advances to more difficult disciplines, whereas in the US a diverse applicant could get admitted with a combined MCAT/GPA that would place them in the bottom decile if they were white or Asian.

  18. The featured article on Wikipedia English yesterday.

    Patrick Francis Healy (February 27, 1834 – January 10, 1910) was an American Catholic priest and Jesuit. While Healy was one-sixteenth black and considered himself to be white, he was posthumously recognized as the first black American to become a Jesuit, to earn a PhD, and to become the president of a predominantly white university

    • LOL: West reanimator
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Altai

    The one drop rule strikes again. Of course, there are many posters her who love to explore some celebrities genealogy to find a "black" ancestor and then apply the one drop rule.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Altai

    " The future is known. It's the past that keeps on changing."

  19. @HammerJack
    Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    https://i.ibb.co/k9YLj12/Screenshot-20220228-050555-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I'm not paying close attention.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Lancelot_Link, @bomag, @Barnard, @syonredux

    Is that Raggedy D’Anne?

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Lancelot_Link

    No. It's Robin DiAngelo in her Beaux Arts New Year's party costume and makeup.

  20. @Altai
    The featured article on Wikipedia English yesterday.


    Patrick Francis Healy (February 27, 1834 – January 10, 1910) was an American Catholic priest and Jesuit. While Healy was one-sixteenth black and considered himself to be white, he was posthumously recognized as the first black American to become a Jesuit, to earn a PhD, and to become the president of a predominantly white university
     

    Replies: @guest007, @kaganovitch

    The one drop rule strikes again. Of course, there are many posters her who love to explore some celebrities genealogy to find a “black” ancestor and then apply the one drop rule.

  21. You might think there’d be a Conversation in Australia about what exactly the limit is to qualify as Aboriginal, but then, that’s illegal.

    I’m pretty sure everyone outside – and even plenty within – the libtard ideological bubble is aware of what a sham it all is, but there just aren’t enough abos around that anyone’s too bothered by it.

    Somehow the topic came up with this dude I was chatting to a few weeks ago, and he claimed to be “aborigine.” To me he looked as hardcore anglo-saxon as it’s possible to get, but I grinned and shrugged “yeah ,why not?” I think he got my point because he chuckled too (rather than defensively explaining that his great-grandmother…). Later I overheard him talking to some Arab-looking guy about it, and the Arab said to him with a dismissive laugh, “yeah fuck it man, get the Centrelink [aka welfare]”

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @silviosilver

    Here in Canada there are legions of white people who claim to be Indians (feathers, not dots). It is a real industry level scam.

  22. The Seekers really set the tone for this kind of stuff.

    I came from the Dreamtime
    From the dusty red soil plains
    I am the ancient heart
    The keeper of the flame
    I stood upon the rocky shore
    I watched the tall ships come
    For forty thousand years I’ve been the first Australian

    Since Western peoples no longer have any identities of their own, they are very susceptible to soaring anthems and doggerel poems hitting them in the feels.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Sing to the 1970s Dr. Pepper tune:

    It's an Afro-American crowd,
    Opinionated, uneducated and loud,
    Such quotas and preferences these days,
    Why there's an Afro-American craze!

    I'm a negro, he's a negro, she's a -- negress
    All the white people seeking access
    Wouldn't you like to be a negro too?
    Be a negro, eat watermelon,
    One in three men are convicted felons.

    (Sorry, it's the best I can do on short notice.)

  23. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    Brazil began a poorly-considered experiment with large-scale miscegnation in the 19th century. It was expected that a line would be acceptably “white” by the third generation, having one nonwhite ancestor. Brazilians describing what happened say it would’ve worked had the original criteria been maintained. At the time they were getting a lot of white immigration. That leveled off, and the nonwhite ancestry was not kept to one. As a result, there’s a big mess, with the general result that Brazilians can’t have nice things.

  24. @HammerJack
    Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    https://i.ibb.co/k9YLj12/Screenshot-20220228-050555-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I'm not paying close attention.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Lancelot_Link, @bomag, @Barnard, @syonredux

    NHJ also said the media only cares about “Europeans with blond hair and blue eyes”…

    Kinda wish this was true.

  25. @Hannah Katz
    Hey she forgot her mask! Best looking Aboriginal woman I have ever seen. Curious if any of them that actually look like Aborigines have graduated from medical school.

    Replies: @Vox Australis

    In Western Australia, where I live, the local newspaper seems to be staffed exclusively by woke journalists (mostly female) and it frequently run stories about Aborigines who have graduated as doctors or in other professions. Most of them are female, and could pass for white. I do notice that none of these Aborigines are graduating in engineering, computing, or the hard sciences. I suspect that most of these “Aboriginal” doctors will find employment in clinics which deal mainly with Aboriginal patients. Also, I have not heard of any Aboriginal doctors who have become specialists.

  26. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    A very good question.

    Interbreeding of Africans with some more dominant-genes early humanoids?

  27. @IHTG
    @Thomm

    I suspect this might be an urban legend. Or at least the difference in recessivity is being exaggerated. It's just that blacks in America are not as interbred with whites as a population and Meghan Markle types are not as omnipresent.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    I wouldn’t agree. Statistically, even 2 or 3 generations after mixing with whites, Africans somehow look, recognizably- partly “African” (nose, hair, facial features,..).

    Not so with Australian Abos, who completely vanish, visually, into white looks.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
    @Bardon Kaldian

    With the proviso that my "knowledge" of human evolution is largely limited to what is in Fuerle's excellent book "Erectus Walks Amongst Us" (available here, I think, and doubtlessly the best layman's introduction to several science fields that could be written by a racist retired patent attorney 😁):

    If I recall his arguments correctly, the Australian Aborigines are descended from the early humans who inhabited the nearby continent (S. Asia/Indian Subcontinent?) As such they may have a closer genetic relation to what later became the Asiatic and Caucasian races. The "official" view of human origins is "out of Africa," but Fuerle advocates a different view, out of Asia. In other words, if he's right, the Negroid race(s) are actually the most primitive, most diverse, and had little or no blending with non-African humans until fairly recently.

    I do specifically recall his mentioning that Australia discourages any genetic testing of its Aboriginals. So I don't know what data may exist. I'm not sure why such testing would prejudice these poor folk but as we have already discussed, Australia has been uber-liberal "woke"for a very long time.

    , @occasional lurker
    @Bardon Kaldian

    They are closer in looks to West Eurasians to begin with. Less specific hair structure that, less specificity in the facial features, also a different mix of hair/skin color genes. There are occasional blond hair individuals (unadmixed, not albino).

  28. Let me Abos go loose , Lou…

    • LOL: Liza
    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @possumman

    If you play that song through any of the streaming services that verse is cut out…

    “ so we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that’s it hanging on the shed…”

    Replies: @Liza

  29. Hmmm…this dominant-recessive stuff is more complicated … Just read a few reasonable texts (the first one is a veritable photo gallery)

    https://www.quora.com/Do-Africans-have-the-most-dominant-genes

    Do Africans have the most dominant genes?

    Then:

    https://www.quora.com/When-having-babies-why-are-Chinese-and-African-genes-stronger-than-White-i-e-baby-looks-more-Chinese-or-African-than-white

    When having babies, why are Chinese and African genes stronger than White (i.e. baby looks more Chinese or African than white)?

  30. White people even make better aboriginals!

    Damn. Is there nothing white people can’t do? Man, we just kick ass.

    • LOL: bruce county
  31. Isn’t Mexico similar, where white Mexicans are proud of their Aztec lineage? The poor indios can’t even keep that for themselves.

  32. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    The idea that black genes are not recessive is I think based on a bias that we notice when a white woman gives birth to a biracial baby, but nobody cares that American blacks look different from Africans due to European blood.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    @Mr. Grey

    Well said Mr. Grey. The overwhelming majority of native-born African-Americans have anywhere from 25 to 30% European ancestry, if not more so in the case of our biracial friends, such as former President Obama. As a result, the vast majority of African-Americans have a distinctly different look than blacks from Africa.

  33. Lily-White “aboriginals” jumping on the gravy train. MtoF trannies stealing the thunder in women’s sports. Opportunists “identifying” as something they clearly are not for personal gain.

    The left’s liberal idiocy is boomeranging on it as Whites and biological males learn how to grift with the best of them.

    Good. Let it all burn.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mo' Gibbs

    This amounts to empowering cheaters. Cannot end well.

    Some say it has already burned and we are living in the ashes.

  34. @IHTG
    @Thomm

    I suspect this might be an urban legend. Or at least the difference in recessivity is being exaggerated. It's just that blacks in America are not as interbred with whites as a population and Meghan Markle types are not as omnipresent.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    It is an urban legend. Once you get down to 1/8 black, it’s impossible to tell. “Black” phenotypical genes are no more dominant than any other.

  35. Rachel Farrelly looks like Natalie Portman, and has an even more traditionally Jewish given name.

    Worth noting that literally none of the 25 comments at the Sydney Morning Herald site question if she’s a legitimate aboriginal. Do Aussies really have no reason to question it, or does the SMH block any commenters who do?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Wilkey

    Why question it when it comports snugly with the humbug that race is wholly a social construct?

    If there's any surprise, it's why actual abos don't raise more of a stink about it. I suspect they don't like it, but they're overruled by tribal elders, who have the last say in who can be admitted as a member. (No prizes for guessing what sort of incentives they have.)

    , @kaganovitch
    @Wilkey

    Questioning it is legally iffy in Oz, as Steve noted.

    , @sb
    @Wilkey

    The SMH and Age ( they are essentially the same paper these days ) simply don't publish comments that disagree with their agenda .

  36. This is the way for whites to benefit from AA, just claim yourself 1/16 native American and make up some story about it. Who’s to know?

  37. @IHTG
    @Thomm

    I suspect this might be an urban legend. Or at least the difference in recessivity is being exaggerated. It's just that blacks in America are not as interbred with whites as a population and Meghan Markle types are not as omnipresent.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    Markle had her nose narrowed as a teenager and uses hair straightener. She also uses bronzer to hide the yellow and the freckles she got when younger.

  38. @The Last Real Calvinist
    She's a very pretty young woman.

    A quick search revealed this article about her University of Western Sydney indigenous med school cohort. The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:

    https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0004/422779/Indigenous-doctors1_476x326.jpg

    Replies: @Thomm, @prosa123, @syonredux

    The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:

    Without the blonde dyejob seen in the newspaper article, her mixed ancestry registering at perhaps 25% is at least a little more plausible from her appearance in the earlier photos.

    It goes to show that if one is part-white or near-white, coloring one’s hair can make their race rather ambiguous.

    But NOT in the Ronald McDonald approach that Nicole Hannah-Jones is taking (above).

  39. @Lancelot_Link
    @HammerJack

    Is that Raggedy D'Anne?

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    No. It’s Robin DiAngelo in her Beaux Arts New Year’s party costume and makeup.

  40. Hey, iSteve what religion, if any, is Ketanji Brown Jackson?

    What Religion Is Ketanji Brown Jackson? Fans Are Curious And Speculating
    https://showbizcorner.com/what-religion-is-ketanji-brown-jackson-fans-are-curious-and-speculating-her-to-b

    I personally thought putting a Black on the court might be a backdoor way to get a Protestant on the court.

  41. “Whiteness” is probably still more recessive than “Aborginalness”.

    In Brazil – which has a more relaxed definition for white – self described “brown” students were found to be over 80% European. “Black” students were half European.

    “The results of genomic ancestry tests are quite different from the perceived ancestry estimates,” the investigators report. In general, the results of the genetic tests showed that the students are of European ancestry far more expressively than they thought. Students who classified themselves as “black,” for example, reported, on average, 63% African descent; 20% Amerindian and 17% European. DNA tests showed quite different results: European ancestry predominates. The average is 52% of European ancestry; 41% African and 7% Amerindian.

    Students who classified themselves as “brown” perceived that they would have approximately the same indices of European, African, and Amerindian ancestry. The genomic ancestry test, again, brought results with more “European” indices: more than 80% on average. The “white” students, who perceived themselves as having substantial African and Amerindian ancestry, were faced with results of genetic tests that, in fact, showed that they have very little African and Amerindian ancestry.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110706153557/http://www.meionews.com.br/index.php/noticias/21-estado-do-rio/4607-negros-e-pardos-do-rio-tem-mais-genes-europeus-do-que-imaginam-segundo-estudo.html

    • Replies: @Truth Seeker
    @Dream

    This is only a single study. There are tons of genetic studies done on Brazilian people right now.

    The average admixture of self-identified White Brazilians is about 85% European, the ''pardos'' or brown people average at about 60% European and the Blacks have on average 30-40% European ancestry.

    Remember that these are only averages, so you can have people in the White category with less than 80% European DNA (or 100% European DNA) and ''brown'' people scoring almost full white or just like the blacks since the categories were based on self-declaration.

  42. @HammerJack
    Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    https://i.ibb.co/k9YLj12/Screenshot-20220228-050555-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I'm not paying close attention.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Lancelot_Link, @bomag, @Barnard, @syonredux

    She also recently lost an argument on Twitter where she claimed Europe isn’t really an continent. We will see if the idiotic idea of claiming it is part of Asia catches on with the woke crowd. No word why they consider Africa different.

  43. @Wilkey
    Rachel Farrelly looks like Natalie Portman, and has an even more traditionally Jewish given name.

    Worth noting that literally none of the 25 comments at the Sydney Morning Herald site question if she's a legitimate aboriginal. Do Aussies really have no reason to question it, or does the SMH block any commenters who do?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @kaganovitch, @sb

    Why question it when it comports snugly with the humbug that race is wholly a social construct?

    If there’s any surprise, it’s why actual abos don’t raise more of a stink about it. I suspect they don’t like it, but they’re overruled by tribal elders, who have the last say in who can be admitted as a member. (No prizes for guessing what sort of incentives they have.)

  44. I’m good with faces and I must say there’s a certain ruggedness to the eyes and robustness of the skull that can be recognized. If we know we are looking for it

  45. @Altai
    The featured article on Wikipedia English yesterday.


    Patrick Francis Healy (February 27, 1834 – January 10, 1910) was an American Catholic priest and Jesuit. While Healy was one-sixteenth black and considered himself to be white, he was posthumously recognized as the first black American to become a Jesuit, to earn a PhD, and to become the president of a predominantly white university
     

    Replies: @guest007, @kaganovitch

    ” The future is known. It’s the past that keeps on changing.”

    • Agree: Twinkie
  46. @Wilkey
    Rachel Farrelly looks like Natalie Portman, and has an even more traditionally Jewish given name.

    Worth noting that literally none of the 25 comments at the Sydney Morning Herald site question if she's a legitimate aboriginal. Do Aussies really have no reason to question it, or does the SMH block any commenters who do?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @kaganovitch, @sb

    Questioning it is legally iffy in Oz, as Steve noted.

  47. If people can choose their gender, why not their race?

    I mean, my ancestry is mostly Swedish, but I self-identify as hispanic. I feel the blood of conquistadors flowing through my veins! And hey, there are a lot of German-origin Mexicans as pasty as I am, so I won’t even need to get a tan!

    And for those who say that race is different than gender, that people should not be able to just change their race to whatever they want in order to qualify for special benefits, I say park your melanic privilege, you cis-racial bigots!

    • Replies: @sb
    @TG

    Wasn't there some Dutch guy who argued on similar lines to change his official legal age ( in order , I think ,to increase his odds of picking up the young chicks ) ?
    He lost his case as I recall

  48. @The Last Real Calvinist
    She's a very pretty young woman.

    A quick search revealed this article about her University of Western Sydney indigenous med school cohort. The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:

    https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0004/422779/Indigenous-doctors1_476x326.jpg

    Replies: @Thomm, @prosa123, @syonredux

    I can maybe see something a bit different, for lack of a better term, about the man second from left, Paul Saunders. Had I looked at the photo without knowing anything about its context I would not have thought that he had any non-European ancestry, but now that I know the context I am not completely surprised by his background.

  49. With her looks she does not have to work a day in her life. Gnome’ sayin’?

    Kudos to her for studying, whatever her DNA analysis might reveal.

  50. @Pat Hannagan
    @sb

    Good point.

    I can't. Unfortunately, lay claim to any sort of pre-stoneage retardation wherein I would rake oysters up my boy's cock till it was flayed and then lay him tied to stakes as the ants ate him, till days later came back to see who were alive and could join our tribe.

    For there is only one tribe me and my people belong to: the White Tribe!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGp47YwDZ48

    (I love White commentary. So whip smart.)

    Replies: @njguy73

    That song was my bop in 1990.

  51. @Mr. Grey
    @Thomm

    The idea that black genes are not recessive is I think based on a bias that we notice when a white woman gives birth to a biracial baby, but nobody cares that American blacks look different from Africans due to European blood.

    Replies: @PaceLaw

    Well said Mr. Grey. The overwhelming majority of native-born African-Americans have anywhere from 25 to 30% European ancestry, if not more so in the case of our biracial friends, such as former President Obama. As a result, the vast majority of African-Americans have a distinctly different look than blacks from Africa.

  52. Let us not forget Gavin McInnes’ supposedly abo wife of the Ho Chunk tribe. Here is a photo. She does not look very Indian to me. That sad looking little child she’s holding breaks my heart.

    https://celebsuburb.com/gavin-mcinnes-wife-emily-jendrisak/

    And another:

    Gavin McInnes: "My wife has this weird STD where Chinks keep popping out of her cunt." Also writes alot of articles about asian men. from hapas

  53. @Wilkey
    Rachel Farrelly looks like Natalie Portman, and has an even more traditionally Jewish given name.

    Worth noting that literally none of the 25 comments at the Sydney Morning Herald site question if she's a legitimate aboriginal. Do Aussies really have no reason to question it, or does the SMH block any commenters who do?

    Replies: @silviosilver, @kaganovitch, @sb

    The SMH and Age ( they are essentially the same paper these days ) simply don’t publish comments that disagree with their agenda .

  54. @TG
    If people can choose their gender, why not their race?

    I mean, my ancestry is mostly Swedish, but I self-identify as hispanic. I feel the blood of conquistadors flowing through my veins! And hey, there are a lot of German-origin Mexicans as pasty as I am, so I won't even need to get a tan!

    And for those who say that race is different than gender, that people should not be able to just change their race to whatever they want in order to qualify for special benefits, I say park your melanic privilege, you cis-racial bigots!

    Replies: @sb

    Wasn’t there some Dutch guy who argued on similar lines to change his official legal age ( in order , I think ,to increase his odds of picking up the young chicks ) ?
    He lost his case as I recall

  55. Could aboriginal become a euphemism for “not obviously immigrant” but perhaps would like some special treatment as then Republican Elizabeth Warren may have been using when claiming to be Native American?

    With the death of oral story telling this means those of us not transfixed with genealogy are hazy about ancestors who aren’t in our living memory in our pre teens, and we’re close to totally ignorant about those who are not in the living memory of those relatives who we have fairly long discussions with by our late teens.

    Some people are pretty ignorant of at least one great grandparent and almost all of us will be ignorant of a couple of great great grandparents. So if at least one of your grandparents was Australian from birth, or even not obviously not Australian then perhaps they were a quarter aborigine. Yes tracing the family tree may find the great great grandparents came from a pit village from Barnsley with no aborigines for three thousand miles, but you’re part of the vast majority who’s just not into genealogy.

  56. I’ve seen Yvonne Goolagong and I have to disagree

  57. @Mo' Gibbs
    Lily-White "aboriginals" jumping on the gravy train. MtoF trannies stealing the thunder in women's sports. Opportunists "identifying" as something they clearly are not for personal gain.

    The left's liberal idiocy is boomeranging on it as Whites and biological males learn how to grift with the best of them.

    Good. Let it all burn.

    Replies: @bomag

    This amounts to empowering cheaters. Cannot end well.

    Some say it has already burned and we are living in the ashes.

  58. As an American I freely admit I don’t know much about Australia. Even so, I am free to opine (a freedom that America still has, yet which I probably would be arrested for, in many other English-speaking nations, to include Down Under) that to the best of my knowledge, I have never heard of any notable achievement by an Australian Aboriginal, in any international field.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ben the Layabout

    Some good Aboriginal athletes, most notably Evonne Goolagong battling Billie Jean King and Chrissie Evert in 1970s women's tennis.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson

  59. @Intelligent Dasein
    The Seekers really set the tone for this kind of stuff.

    I came from the Dreamtime
    From the dusty red soil plains
    I am the ancient heart
    The keeper of the flame
    I stood upon the rocky shore
    I watched the tall ships come
    For forty thousand years I've been the first Australian
     
    Since Western peoples no longer have any identities of their own, they are very susceptible to soaring anthems and doggerel poems hitting them in the feels.

    Replies: @Ben the Layabout

    Sing to the 1970s Dr. Pepper tune:

    It’s an Afro-American crowd,
    Opinionated, uneducated and loud,
    Such quotas and preferences these days,
    Why there’s an Afro-American craze!

    I’m a negro, he’s a negro, she’s a — negress
    All the white people seeking access
    Wouldn’t you like to be a negro too?
    Be a negro, eat watermelon,
    One in three men are convicted felons.

    (Sorry, it’s the best I can do on short notice.)

  60. @Bardon Kaldian
    @IHTG

    I wouldn't agree. Statistically, even 2 or 3 generations after mixing with whites, Africans somehow look, recognizably- partly "African" (nose, hair, facial features,..).

    Not so with Australian Abos, who completely vanish, visually, into white looks.

    Replies: @Ben the Layabout, @occasional lurker

    With the proviso that my “knowledge” of human evolution is largely limited to what is in Fuerle’s excellent book “Erectus Walks Amongst Us” (available here, I think, and doubtlessly the best layman’s introduction to several science fields that could be written by a racist retired patent attorney 😁):

    If I recall his arguments correctly, the Australian Aborigines are descended from the early humans who inhabited the nearby continent (S. Asia/Indian Subcontinent?) As such they may have a closer genetic relation to what later became the Asiatic and Caucasian races. The “official” view of human origins is “out of Africa,” but Fuerle advocates a different view, out of Asia. In other words, if he’s right, the Negroid race(s) are actually the most primitive, most diverse, and had little or no blending with non-African humans until fairly recently.

    I do specifically recall his mentioning that Australia discourages any genetic testing of its Aboriginals. So I don’t know what data may exist. I’m not sure why such testing would prejudice these poor folk but as we have already discussed, Australia has been uber-liberal “woke”for a very long time.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
  61. @possumman
    Let me Abos go loose , Lou...

    Replies: @Ganderson

    If you play that song through any of the streaming services that verse is cut out…

    “ so we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that’s it hanging on the shed…”

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Ganderson

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/patboone/tiemekangaroodownsport.html

  62. @Ben the Layabout
    As an American I freely admit I don't know much about Australia. Even so, I am free to opine (a freedom that America still has, yet which I probably would be arrested for, in many other English-speaking nations, to include Down Under) that to the best of my knowledge, I have never heard of any notable achievement by an Australian Aboriginal, in any international field.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Some good Aboriginal athletes, most notably Evonne Goolagong battling Billie Jean King and Chrissie Evert in 1970s women’s tennis.

    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Steve Sailer

    Playing tennis is a "notable achievement"? How much intelligence does that require? How about scientists? Satellite designers? Captains of industry? Has any Australian Aboriginal ever won a Nobel prize?

  63. @Ganderson
    @possumman

    If you play that song through any of the streaming services that verse is cut out…

    “ so we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde, and that’s it hanging on the shed…”

    Replies: @Liza

  64. @Dream
    "Whiteness" is probably still more recessive than "Aborginalness".

    In Brazil - which has a more relaxed definition for white - self described "brown" students were found to be over 80% European. "Black" students were half European.

    "The results of genomic ancestry tests are quite different from the perceived ancestry estimates," the investigators report. In general, the results of the genetic tests showed that the students are of European ancestry far more expressively than they thought. Students who classified themselves as "black," for example, reported, on average, 63% African descent; 20% Amerindian and 17% European. DNA tests showed quite different results: European ancestry predominates. The average is 52% of European ancestry; 41% African and 7% Amerindian.

    Students who classified themselves as “brown” perceived that they would have approximately the same indices of European, African, and Amerindian ancestry. The genomic ancestry test, again, brought results with more “European” indices: more than 80% on average. The “white” students, who perceived themselves as having substantial African and Amerindian ancestry, were faced with results of genetic tests that, in fact, showed that they have very little African and Amerindian ancestry.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110706153557/http://www.meionews.com.br/index.php/noticias/21-estado-do-rio/4607-negros-e-pardos-do-rio-tem-mais-genes-europeus-do-que-imaginam-segundo-estudo.html

    Replies: @Truth Seeker

    This is only a single study. There are tons of genetic studies done on Brazilian people right now.

    The average admixture of self-identified White Brazilians is about 85% European, the ”pardos” or brown people average at about 60% European and the Blacks have on average 30-40% European ancestry.

    Remember that these are only averages, so you can have people in the White category with less than 80% European DNA (or 100% European DNA) and ”brown” people scoring almost full white or just like the blacks since the categories were based on self-declaration.

    • Thanks: Liza
  65. It’s a dogma in socialism that humans can’t enter the floodlith uplands of splendour before all differences, all gaps, have been eliminated.

    Without looking into it, seems these White sneks are just looking to profit of what those sozi academic freaks put there.

    Whites always land on they’re feet.

  66. @The Last Real Calvinist
    She's a very pretty young woman.

    A quick search revealed this article about her University of Western Sydney indigenous med school cohort. The following photo shows that Ms Farrelly was not at all an outlier:

    https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/__data/assets/image/0004/422779/Indigenous-doctors1_476x326.jpg

    Replies: @Thomm, @prosa123, @syonredux

    Quite a distance from the genuine article….

    I guess that that means that the plan is working…

    • Thanks: Charon
  67. @HammerJack
    Following up on the Washington Post story, NHJ has decreed that nukes are racist.

    https://i.ibb.co/k9YLj12/Screenshot-20220228-050555-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Or, IDK, it might have been Bozo the Clown saying that white people who care about nukes are racist. I'm not paying close attention.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Lancelot_Link, @bomag, @Barnard, @syonredux

    Well, I know that I care about Europeans with dark hair and dark eyes….

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @syonredux

    Alizée released a tune that said "I don't care, don't give me this news, I'm slobbing"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LIM9VYhB0

    Sometimes I wish a was a woman.

  68. Could swear to god she is a white girl, but what do my lying eyes know?

  69. @silviosilver

    You might think there’d be a Conversation in Australia about what exactly the limit is to qualify as Aboriginal, but then, that’s illegal.
     
    I'm pretty sure everyone outside - and even plenty within - the libtard ideological bubble is aware of what a sham it all is, but there just aren't enough abos around that anyone's too bothered by it.

    Somehow the topic came up with this dude I was chatting to a few weeks ago, and he claimed to be "aborigine." To me he looked as hardcore anglo-saxon as it's possible to get, but I grinned and shrugged "yeah ,why not?" I think he got my point because he chuckled too (rather than defensively explaining that his great-grandmother...). Later I overheard him talking to some Arab-looking guy about it, and the Arab said to him with a dismissive laugh, "yeah fuck it man, get the Centrelink [aka welfare]"

    Replies: @anonymouseperson

    Here in Canada there are legions of white people who claim to be Indians (feathers, not dots). It is a real industry level scam.

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @Ben the Layabout

    Some good Aboriginal athletes, most notably Evonne Goolagong battling Billie Jean King and Chrissie Evert in 1970s women's tennis.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson

    Playing tennis is a “notable achievement”? How much intelligence does that require? How about scientists? Satellite designers? Captains of industry? Has any Australian Aboriginal ever won a Nobel prize?

  71. @syonredux
    @HammerJack

    Well, I know that I care about Europeans with dark hair and dark eyes....

    https://www.hdwallpaper.nu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/monica_bellucci-1.jpg

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Alizée released a tune that said “I don’t care, don’t give me this news, I’m slobbing”

    Sometimes I wish a was a woman.

  72. @Thomm
    Question :

    Why are Austro-Aboriginal genes so recessive (thankfully), but African black genes are not recessive at all?

    If one goes into possible scientific explanations for the former, shouldn't some of the same rationale apply to the latter?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Bill Jones, @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Grey, @Curt Doolittle

    In general, contrary to our intuition, neotenous genes are not only advanced by a universal selection bias, but by dominance in expression. We do not know why they are dominant. Other than it’s likely that large scale downregulation or decrease in volume of stem cell migration from the neural tube is widely distributed.

  73. @Bardon Kaldian
    @IHTG

    I wouldn't agree. Statistically, even 2 or 3 generations after mixing with whites, Africans somehow look, recognizably- partly "African" (nose, hair, facial features,..).

    Not so with Australian Abos, who completely vanish, visually, into white looks.

    Replies: @Ben the Layabout, @occasional lurker

    They are closer in looks to West Eurasians to begin with. Less specific hair structure that, less specificity in the facial features, also a different mix of hair/skin color genes. There are occasional blond hair individuals (unadmixed, not albino).

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