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Victoria council elections: The man vying to become Melbourne’s first Indigenous councillor
@Steve_Sailer @CityBureaucrat
https://t.co/zAhqczlNlQ— Austopian (@austopian) October 22, 2020
Many countries suffer the problem of one or more racial groups underperforming, such as blacks in the U.S., First Nations in Canada, and Muslims in France.
But Australia is well on its way to CRUSHING its former problem of Aborigines not being high achievers on average.
Okay, I know I’ve run with this joke before, but the sheer details in this article are a hoot:
From Melbourne Age:
Meet the man vying to be the City of Melbourne’s first Indigenous councillor
By Chloe Booker
October 22, 2020 — 7.30pmProfessor Mark McMillan, who hopes to serve as the City of Melbourne’s first Indigenous councillor, says his “big desire” is to see Aboriginal participation rather than tokenism in Australian politics.
The Wiradjuri man and public law academic is running as the third of nine candidates on lord mayor Sally Capp’s ticket for Melbourne Town Hall. Team Capp will need 30 per cent of the vote for him to win a place on the council.
If elected, Professor Mark McMillan would be the City of Melbourne’s first Aboriginal councillor.
“I was interested when Sally approached me to be on her ticket, because it wasn’t just, ‘I want diversity’ … it’s not about white virtue signalling,” he said.
“She actually wants people’s diverse lived experiences to be part of how we govern over the next four years. None of us feel like we’re token.” …
If Professor McMillan, a gay man who lives in Seddon with his partner and son, achieves his goal of serving on the council, it will follow a long list of personal and family firsts.
Although he lives in Seddon, which is in the City of Maribyrnong, as a director of a company in Carlton that tackles climate change issues, he is eligible to run for the City of Melbourne.
Professor McMillan was born in 1969 in Trangie, a small town west of Dubbo in NSW, and his grandmother was one of 16 siblings.
“Nan made us go to school because she wasn’t allowed to,” he said.
“She understood as an Aboriginal woman that education … has the capacity to transform lives.”
Between them, her grandchildren have 26 bachelor’s degrees, six master’s degrees and two doctorates.
Professor McMillan’s late eldest sister was the first in the family to attend university, his youngest sister was the first Aboriginal pharmacist in Australia and he was the first Indigenous academic to be appointed full-time to Melbourne Law School.
He used his time at the University of Melbourne to research Indigenous human rights.
Professor McMillan, who sued columnist Andrew Bolt over racial discrimination in 2009
That was a key step forward in solving Australia’s racial gap: a judge ruled you aren’t allowed to make fun of Professor McMillan. So please don’t. Sure, you may think that Professor McMillan looks like a relief pitcher from Scottsdale, AZ, but Professor McMillan’s indigenousness is sacred to Australia’s legal system.
, served as a director of the former National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples and is a board member of the Trangie Local Aboriginal Land Council.
Before this, he served as an appellate judge in the Yaqui Court of Appeals, a Native American tribal court in Tucson, Arizona.
And two years ago, Professor McMillan became RMIT University’s inaugural deputy pro vice-chancellor for Indigenous education and engagement.
“I can’t disassociate … what I know about public law and Indigenous nation building and not bring that into the governing [of Melbourne City Council],” he said. …
He has taken leave from RMIT amid an employment dispute. …
Lidia Thorpe
“And now, hopefully, rather than a white guy who wants that engagement, we’ll have an Aboriginal man who is steeped in understanding of social law,” he said. …
Cr Capp said it was also important that the city realise its ambition to put its Aboriginal heritage at its centre.
Gunnai and Gunditjmara woman Lidia Thorpe was sworn in as the first Aboriginal senator for Victoria last week. Sheena Watt was also last week sworn in as Victorian Labor’s first female Indigenous MP.
Professor McMillan said the appointments, and his candidacy, were exciting milestones for Aboriginal leadership.
“And where else but Victoria, and where else but Melbourne, would we be getting that opportunity?”
What percentage of these high-achieving “Aborigines” (or in Professor McMillan’s case, “high-achieving” Aborigines) are descended from the Stolen Generations of mixed-race children who were given boarding school educations a century ago? As we all know, the Australian government taking the children of white men and Indigenous women away from their alcoholic, abusive, illiterate, and/or tubercular homes and educating them in the hope that their descendants could blend into the general population and live kick-ass lives in the 21st Century as Professional Quota-Fillers was the Worst Thing Ever.
Still, it sort of seems from all the articles in 2020 about the First Indigenous This and the First Indigenous That that the Stolen Generations was one of the rare government programs that worked as hoped.
Here’s another such tweet:
"Lachlan McDaniel believes his arts degree was 'probably the best thing that ever happened' to him, but the Wiradjuri man fears new laws passed this week will make it much tougher for other Indigenous students to get the same opportunities."https://t.co/nnXf6dXxom
— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) October 22, 2020
Keep in mind that the genes for Aboriginal Australian appearance have long been noted to be rather recessive, so that it’s usually harder to tell if a 1/8th or even 1/4th Indigenous person is Aboriginal than with, say, sub-Saharan ancestry. Here’s an old anthropology illustration of this:
As I wrote in 2011:
Before the development of antibiotics, full-blooded Australian Aborigines were dying off at a rapid rate from tuberculosis and other Afro-Eurasian diseases. The half-white children of Aboriginal mothers tended to be more resistant to diseases, but they tended to be neglected and abused by their often alcoholic Aboriginal relatives. So, reasoned the social workers, why not raise them in white ways in boarding schools, allowing them to find a place in white society and marry whites? Because Aboriginal looks tend to be relatively recessive when mixed with European looks, as compared to Sub-Saharan African looks, within a couple of generations you get a kid who looks like a cross between Prince Charles and Bing Crosby, so their descendants would be largely indistinguishable from the general population. Problem solved.
Of course, as we all know now, those reformers were The Worst People of All Time.
And yet, antibiotics aside, sensitive 21st Century Australians are better at feeling superior to their ancestors than at actually solving the problems that their ancestors confronted. For example, when Australian director Phillip Noyce made the movie Rabbit-Proof Fence a decade ago condemning Evil Old Social Workers by showing girls who run away from their boarding school to return to their Aboriginal mothers, his adolescent star ran away from the set and had to be rounded up. Then when filming was over, Noyce saw what a disaster her Aboriginal home life was, so, [being a kind man], he … paid to put her in a boarding school.
Australia doesn’t have a first amendment, but as a practical matter, do we?
Twitter has kept the New York Post’s account locked for over a week now because of the Hunter Biden story. But here’s something fun:
Search for “twitter new york post” on Google. All that comes up is some other account with a similar name, but NOT the actual account (it does refer you to it). Same thing with Bing. I’m sure it was coming up first just a few days ago.
Now, if you use Yandex, it’s the first one that comes up. With Duckduckgo it’s second.
https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3jDX1S/Google-Result-2020-10-22.png
https://postimg.cc/yWB77bhvReplies: @RichardTaylor, @anonymous-antimarxist
At least they’re being more consistent with their “race doesn’t exist- you can be whatever you want” unicornism.
I identify as a bear. We need more bears in local government. I promise I won’t maul my secretary. Probably.
This is a good mine! Every sentence is a laugh! Works for a “company that tackles global warming”?!
Nice job, Steve!
The lawsuit by offended fair skinned aborigines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eatock_v_Bolt
You have to love the cultural imperialism that assumes that just because someone is “indigenous” to Australia, he (without any legal training) can also serve as a “tribal judge” (whatever the hell that is) for American Indians in Arizona. You know, because all brown people are alike, or something. (Oh, and I’m sure the Indians were thrilled to have a gay white Australian judge.)
By the way, I highly doubt his “Nan” wasn’t “‘allowed” to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But…I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.
See , this sequential logical thought process invalidates indigenous ways of knowing. If you weren't such an imperialist you would know that.
Okay, I get it that I’m not supposed to make some smart-ass remark. But it’s really, really hard to resist, you know your Honor?
One might say he’s
putting on Ayers
Before this, he served as an appellate judge in the Yaqui Court of Appeals, a Native American tribal court in Tucson, Arizona.
This parasite really gets around. What a fraud, but perfect for our age. And his paycheck always comes from the government or an NGO.
A cross between Prince Charles and Bing Crosby ? …..man ,how can we unthink that.
One might say he’s
putting on Ayers
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
School doesn’t give these people much benefit. Gypsies are (rightly) suspicious of education. Irish Travellers had highest TFR of any group of Whites. Orthodox vs Secular Professional Ashkenazi – compare TFR.
Steve, you have the essential details of this story exactly right.
As you point out, Andrew Bolt (who you can think of as Australia’s Tucker Carlson) was sued under our anti-discrimination laws because of an opinion piece he wrote that criticised fair-skinned Aborigines for hogging the bulk of Aboriginal-only government grants. Many of these slimy characters have one-eighth or less Aboriginal ancestry.
The so-called “Stolen Generations” do indeed form the background (usually at a generation’s remove) for many successful part-Aboriginal Australians of the present. Naturally they carry on about the misery of their parents (or grandparents) being “stolen” – victimhood is a rewarding career option here as in the US.
A current long-running project of the great and the good is to give the Aborigines something they call a “Voice to Parliament” – a committee of Aborigines that would vet any proposed legislation and provide the indigenous view on it (and would risk becoming, de facto, a veto to anything they opposed). This push conveniently overlooks the fact that already Aborigines are slightly overrepresented (per capita) in our national Parliament. Indeed, one of our dozen or so federal cabinet ministers is an Aborigine (and won’t let you forget it).
It also overlooks the fact that 20 years ago or so there was a democratically-elected Aboriginal body (ATSIC) that administered some of the rivers of cash that pour out of our nation’s treasury into Aboriginal groups. Steve readers will not be surprised to learn that ATSIC was deeply corrupt and useless except as a make-work scheme for politically ambitious Aborigines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Bonner
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Neville_Bonner_1979.jpg/1200px-Neville_Bonner_1979.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Bonner
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Neville_Bonner_1979.jpg/1200px-Neville_Bonner_1979.jpgReplies: @duncsbaby
So they’re letting their abos go loose?
Apparently, Liz Warren didn’t study the ways of the Aboriginal octaroon before trying to pull off her indigenous claims. She could’a been a contender….
Twitter has kept the New York Post's account locked for over a week now because of the Hunter Biden story. But here's something fun:
Search for "twitter new york post" on Google. All that comes up is some other account with a similar name, but NOT the actual account (it does refer you to it). Same thing with Bing. I'm sure it was coming up first just a few days ago.
Now, if you use Yandex, it's the first one that comes up. With Duckduckgo it's second.Replies: @El Dato
I’m actually getting good results from Google
https://postimg.cc/yWB77bhv
How do you overnight reconfigure an AI that is the heart of your company and was intended to return exactly what the user would be looking for to overnight do just the opposite but in an manner that is not obvious?
The last picture and caption confirms my suspicion that the Irish will fuck anything.
http://www.debrapascalibonaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lena-and-Rosie-Pula.jpgReplies: @Walsh2, @Farenheit, @anon
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
I know almost nothing of Australian history but, in the US and Canada, the Anglos forced Indian children to attend schools where their cultures and languages were literally beaten out of them, so I refuse to even entertain the notion that Anglos in Australia would have forced the abos to not assimilate into Anglo civilization.
Then again, it’s often hard to believe that the US and Australia share a common cultural heritage – given the extreme differences in cultural attitudes and laws regarding speech and guns (to name but two examples) – so maybe Australian Anglos really did do that.
In 1960, policy changed to encourage tribal culture in schools and elsewhere.
The effect on what we saw in the street? Meh.
What's really crushed it has been modern social media.
More urbanised, less organised
Australian government policies varied over the years but were almost always well-intentioned.
Looks like his aboriginal genes are the tokens here. Curious if these folks have an average IQ around 100 like other Anglo-Aussies, or closer to that of full blood Aborigines, below room temperature.
Only thing missing now is for his son to become a transgender, then he’ll be the Chosen One, he’ll rule the whole of Australia.
My maternal grandmother was a McMillan from Melbourne. I had no idea…
I can’t say whether aboriginal genes are really “recessive” relative to white genes, but abos are genetically closer to whites than either group is to sub-saharan Africans, so it’s obvious that you can “blend out” one side faster with whites and abos than with whites and negros.
But yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. If having abo representation in high status positions is truly important and good for aboriginals, then it’s obviously doing the real ones a disservice by having these white people take their spots, so to speak. Reminds me a bit of Elizabeth Warren, except she was recently pressured into acknowledging that she is, in fact, white, even if there is some Cherokee ancestry way back in her family tree. Meanwhile these people get to sue anyone who dares point out that they’re white, even if they all have a great granny who wasn’t.
How many Americans who have actual black ancestry but who look completely white, like this pedo McMillan, would dare to use “the n-word” around blacks?
Please go beat this nonce cousin of yours up.
https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3jDX1S/Google-Result-2020-10-22.png
https://postimg.cc/yWB77bhvReplies: @RichardTaylor, @anonymous-antimarxist
Yes, I did get stories about Twitter and the Post. But notice, that first (and only) Twitter account is not the real New York Post Twitter account. And I’m sure the real one with 1.9M followers was coming up a few days ago.
So if you used Google to find their Twitter account, would you find it? I guess indirectly, but directly.
https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3jDX1S/Google-Result-2020-10-22.png
https://postimg.cc/yWB77bhvReplies: @RichardTaylor, @anonymous-antimarxist
Forcing an AI originally written by brilliant apolitical or at least libertarian white and asian males to suddenly go woke on specific cases is proving tough. Your H-1B indentured servants are not up to the task. When suddenly what is intended to be blocked, nonetheless becomes, via word of mouth or DMs, the hottest search on the planet, the cracks are going to start showing quickly.
How do you overnight reconfigure an AI that is the heart of your company and was intended to return exactly what the user would be looking for to overnight do just the opposite but in an manner that is not obvious?
Mighty white of him to take one for the team.
Professor McMillan, who sued columnist Andrew Bolt over racial discrimination in 2009
Here’s the text of the offending article by Andrew Bolt:
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1109_heraldsun09.pdf
Now where have I heard that phrase before?
I wonder in fact if there are a lot of Australians that have a bit of aboriginal blood but because it was shameful in the past their parents never told them and now they are missing out on the affirmative action goodies?
Professor Aborigine.
Some of his current research projects:
What?????
Did this get him a nice free trip around the world?
Knowledge Network???? Go figure.
Nothing like getting paid to rewrite history.
Nation building? I thought Australia had one already.
I really like the last one. Strengthening a junkie’s interactions with his/her drugs has to be beneficial to society! I assume if drug users have stronger highs they’ll have less time to commit robberies to fund their habits. Which means more old ladies retaining their purses for longer.
The US also has some fine “Professors”. See Professor Cary Bueno PhD below. This lady is an “economics researcher” at Brown University, USA.
This American “Professor” sourced a short-stay rental property via Airbnb. When she and her husband went to said property they found Trump signs in its vicinity.
She was traumatized by these signs and immediately abandoned the property. Then this “Professor” took to twitter.
Where she ranted and raved:
She quickly fled from the life-imperiling Trump signs:
Of course, Airbnb owes this “Professor” a refund:
Then she laid out the “top symbols that invoke fear” for blacks:
Yes, I kid you not, this “Professor” claims the Stars and Stripes scares her and black people generally.
This “Professor” and “Economic Researcher” then told us that Airbnb doesn’t know what it’s like to be black:
“Professor” that she is, she then related to us that Airbnb would do better to advertise their racism against all who aren’t white:
When educational facilities eliminate their admissions test they usually find that this isn’t enough. The next step is to then grade-inflate the new low-IQ admittees.
After that, as the essay points out, the egalitarianism develops a logic all of its own. And thus we have a PhD endowed Research Professor showing in real time she hasn’t the brains of a gibbon.
Shame on you Brown University for inflicting this brainless imbecile on your students and the world.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/09/25/cary-bueno-airbnb-refund-vacation-maine-racist-trump-signs/&ved=2ahUKEwi897DtgcfsAhVOURUIHYeDAgYQFjACegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw2ZhDdi2n7h9J4a0e7b8ol3
But the other side of the coin is true as well. She has no idea what it's like to be a smart whitey.
She can no more understand our frustration with her than we can her frustration with us. We live in parallel universes that only rarely intersect.
I've noticed before how often all the high falutin' talk of SJWs boils down to money and how they can get more of it (or, as in this case, avoid paying it).
"Cary Bueno" ... is that a stage name ?
Now I know that college has existed for a long time, but its old name sorta takes on a new meaning in this era of woke-gibs-getting: Brown University.
I guess it will become the preferred Ivy for our new overlords flooding in from the Sub-Continent, courtesy of Infosys, Sen. Mike Lee, and Nikki Haley?
▪ Confederate flags and symbols
▪ Police lights /blue lives matter flag
▪ Trump signs and white terrorism slogans
▪ USA Flag...'
Parenthetically, I used to operate a moving business in the San Francisco Bay Area. For a couple of years (this would have been around 2000 or so), I ran around with a Confederate flag bumper sticker on the truck.
I got negative comments or looks from a couple of whites. No Black ever gave any sign that he cared at all.
Of course, given that big KKK presence in the San Francisco Bay Area, maybe they were afraid to.Replies: @Rob McX
http://sites.gsu.edu/cbueno1/
I do find it ironic, however, that if the property owner refused to rent to her because of her blackness, she would have complained about that as well.
Glad to see Australian aborigines are at last finally going to have a voice in parliament and local councils. What a racist country Australia is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Bonner
Glad to see Australian aborigines are at last finally going to have a voice in parliament and the legislative process. What a racist country Australia is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Bonner
Seeing that it is “proven science” that all people migrated from someplace, how many generations must pass before you can be considered indigenous? And, seeing that Amerindians were nomadic and mostly hunter-gatherers, were they not interlopers when they moved into another tribes traditional area?
"Sitting Bull : You must take them out of our lands.Col. Nelson Miles : What precisely are your lands?Sitting Bull : These are the where my people lived before you whites first came.Col. Nelson Miles : I don't understand. We whites were not your first enemies. Why don't you demand back the land in Minnesota where the Chippewa and others forced you from years before?Sitting Bull : The Black Hills are a sacred given to my people by Wakan Tanka.Col. Nelson Miles : How very convenient to cloak your claims in spiritualism. And what would you say to the Mormons and others who believe that their God has given to them Indian lands in the West?Sitting Bull : I would say they should listen to Wakan Tanka.Col. Nelson Miles : No matter what your legends say, you didn't sprout from the plains like the spring grasses. And you didn't coalesce out of the ether. You came out of the Minnesota woodlands armed to the teeth and set upon your fellow man. You massacred the Kiowa, the Omaha, the Ponca, the Oto and the Pawnee without mercy. And yet you claim the Black Hills as a private preserve bequeathed to you by the Great Spirit.Sitting Bull : And who gave us the guns and powder to kill our enemies? And who traded weapons to the Chippewa and others who drove us from our home?Col. Nelson Miles : Chief Sitting Bull, the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all. You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent. You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause.Sitting Bull : This is your story of my people!Col. Nelson Miles : This is the truth, not legend."-Miniseries, Bury My heart at Wounded Knee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iehPf1n_5pQ
I take your point, but Australia is an unusual case in that they think that the aborigines arrived 50,000 years ago. That’s much longer than Indians have been in N. America. By contrast, the Maori only arrived in New Zealand after 1300 AD, only a few hundred years before the Europeans. They think that the aborigines were among the 1st people to leave Africa so they are a sort of throwback race, very primitive.
Is there any data on what percentage of mixed raced Australians are Irish or Scottish? McMillian and McDaniel show up in this story in addition to that picture. In regards to the picture, I doubt the fathers had women lined up for them either.
One of those things that gets overstated, Narrative(tm) and all that.
In 1960, policy changed to encourage tribal culture in schools and elsewhere.
The effect on what we saw in the street? Meh.
What’s really crushed it has been modern social media.
Do we have any data on the average aborigine ancestry of people who identify as aborigine, like the 75-80 percent figure for American blacks? (And yes I know that the euphemism treadmill has taboo’d the word aborigine, but I don’t care.) And how many aborigines remain who have more than half aborigine ancestry?
Searching for information on aborigines in Google is hilarious. So many simple questions bring up no meaningful answers. It’s obviously a really tippy-toe taboo subject, and everything is so politically correct.
By the way, here’s a “beautiful” aboriginal woman who obviously has mostly African ancestry:
https://theconversation.com/can-aboriginal-beauty-break-through-the-colour-bar-59452
I have always thought that the notion of some sort of formal Australia-wide aboriginal council – whenever it is suggested, which is occasionally – would be a very fine idea. The photos would be hilarious, especially juxtaposed with photos of actual, real aboriginals.
Looking at Professor McMillan, you can doubt he’s an Abo but there’s no way you can doubt he’s a homosexual.
Senator Warren inspired my adult kids to check the boxes that we associate with bonus points.
It’s just a matter of time til the Government will set “ambitious” racial guidelines. The way it does fuel economy standards.
For example, the USN will specify that its next attack submarine, the USS Hunter, will be manufactured by a “workforce” with a racially weighted average of 22% Central African Black, 29% European White, and so forth.
In order to get the “composite” right, all project workers will be required to submit to genetic testing.
Eight workers who test as 100% White would need to be offset by thirty who average only 10% White.
They aren’t necessarily ‘very primitive.’ While they did leave Africa a while back, evolution did not stop when they left or when they got to Australia. This is not to say that they aren’t very primitive, just that it does not follow from having left Africa earlier than other peoples. Not to mention, I don’t think they are from an earlier out of Africa event. There was a wave of anatomically modern humans who left Africa 100,000 years ago, but I am fairly sure no one is actually descended from them. Even if they were, that does not make them primitive, because evolution is not a ladder.
TIL Alfred E. Neuman is octaroon.
Play your didgeridoo blue….
Most of the people from the large southern cities wouldn’t know a black fella if he fell out of a tree and landed at their feet. It isn’t until you travel to remote NT or WA that you actually see full blood abos that are as black as Africans. And the thing about officially claiming to be a darkie, is that you fall into a separate category of benefits only available to boongs. Also, there is no DNA test to pass before being eligible for benefits, which also include the mandatory cushy government jobs. I have to admit though that there are some quite attractive females who have a very small amount of black blood in them, that gives them that exotic look. And conversely there are a heck of a lot of full blood females that are freakin hideous (2 bag jobs, in case your bag falls off).
It’s an industry that is worth something like thirty billion dollars a year. For I think half a million people.
https://eal09researchproject.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/evonne-goolagong.jpgAnd say, one of the alleged Williams sisters,
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/01/327151-Williams-1327512702.jpgReplies: @MEH 0910
“public law academic”
Translation: “parasite”
That guy looks about as much like an aborigine as Jason Statham. I guess this stint on the city council will count as his Walkabout.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/walkabout
He better be careful though. It’s Melbourne – he better not walkabout more than five clicks from his house or he will displease Victoria’s dictator Kim Jong Dan.
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
Indeed. Has anyone ever asked any American Indians what they thought about that?
Is this an indicator of how powerless and marginalized real Aborigines are in Australia? In the US Whites presenting themselves as Blacks get lit-up and ridden out of town on a rail when caught because Blacks have real power. In Australia is it “meh, might as well move on, no one cares even if we did complain and ask for real Aborigines to get these deals”?
It seems much the same in the US with our Aboriginals. They were pretty neutral when Elizabeth Warren got caught posing, other than a bland statement that she was not a registered tribal member. You only hear from them when someone tries to horn in and get a cut of the reservation casino money.
It's just that as a Leftist candidate, the press was not interested in hearing bad things about Liz just as they are extremely disinterested about Hunter's laptop. You can be sure that if Trump had claimed to be an Indian, the statements from the tribes would have been front page news. "Trump is LYING. Tribes say he is NOT AN INDIAN." Who:whom.
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
I read the part about his judgeship among North American Indians over and over, convinced I was misreading it.
I’m as white as Steve Martin in the jerk but a DNA test suggested 5% Native American and 5% East and South Asian ancestry, in the deep timeline, plus some Iberian which counts for intersectional points. If every sane American would cherry pick some diverse ancestry, could we flood the system and end this nonsense?
Unfortunately the shameless types like Elizabeth Warren, who border on psychopathic, are the ones that benefit in this environment. Decent people of all ethnic backgrounds tend to get steamrolled by the assholes.
Yes, but before the White man Austroloids were all over Pacific SE Asia (eg Philippines, Indonesia et al). Most of them were killed off by newly arriving SE Asians thousands of years ago. Also, going by DNA studies, in many parts of SE Asia they did a better job of eliminating them from their gene pool compared to Australian Whites.
But this isn’t about logical consistency, is it?
Race tribunals should be one of the first policy agendas of a Nationalist/Populist party. No more fakers! (That and Affirmative Action in sports).
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
What makes you think that he has no legal training?
https://www.rmit.eu/content/rmit/au/en/about/governance-management/governance/council/council-members/professor-mark-mcmillan
This is more law degrees than 99% of all lawyers have. The man is highly educated, he just isn’t very aboriginal – he’s the Australian Liz Warren. The Yaqui probably chose him for the appeals court because they couldn’t find a single qualified Yaqui and they hate all the other Indian tribes. He has connections to Arizona – did a degree there and his colleagues at the U. of AZ probably recommended him to the tribe. It doesn’t bother them that he looks like a white guy because they probably do too. If the tribal elders weren’t thrilled they wouldn’t have picked him in the first place – it’s not like Whitey imposed this guy on them.
But now I'm wondering why someone so accomplished also needs to push the Aboriginal angle. The world is strange.Replies: @Fredrik
The post graduate US qualifications cited ( probably ) wouldn't get a white person an academic appointment ( it's pretty competitive and the university matters )
RMIT isn't somewhere one goes to if one wants to become a lawyer ( every university bar one in Australia has a Law School . Most graduates from the lesser ranked ones just don't become lawyers )
The aborigine courses are ,what's the word ? ....ah yes ...a joke . But no doubt a wise career move for this guy
It seems much the same in the US with our Aboriginals. They were pretty neutral when Elizabeth Warren got caught posing, other than a bland statement that she was not a registered tribal member. You only hear from them when someone tries to horn in and get a cut of the reservation casino money.Replies: @Jack D
As I recall, they were pretty pissed, although not for the reason you might think. It is their position that being a tribal member is a matter of enrollment, not blood. If you could get into a tribe based on a DNA test they might have a lot more members and would have to split up the casino loot further. OTOH, there may be some (highly placed) tribal members who have not a whit of Indian blood. So they don’t want anyone talking about DNA. Accordingly, the Great Spirit forbids DNA testing! This is the White Man’s technology and it means nothing to Indians.
It’s just that as a Leftist candidate, the press was not interested in hearing bad things about Liz just as they are extremely disinterested about Hunter’s laptop. You can be sure that if Trump had claimed to be an Indian, the statements from the tribes would have been front page news. “Trump is LYING. Tribes say he is NOT AN INDIAN.” Who:whom.
It’s all really the same thing that goes on here — only it being Australian, it’s taken up a notch.
Here, our successful ‘blacks’ are anything from 50% to 87.5% white. Any genuine, 100% Negroes benefitting? No more than one sees actual aborigines in the halls of power and privilege in Australia. Your basic ghetto black is right where he was in 1975.
Same for their background. You know the children of the gasoline sniffers aren’t getting to move in with the cool people — and look up the backgrounds of Obama, of the risible Cory Booker. They haven’t entered the halls of privilege — they were born in them.
I dunno – the white people did a pretty good job. The number of Aborigines went from circa 1 million when the whites arrived down to 50,000 by the 1930s. Mostly due to smallpox.
In addition to the original group that arrived >50,000 years ago, they think there was an additional migration from India around 4,000 ago (but Aboriginals only have around 10% Indian DNA so it wasn’t a big enough invasion to kill the entire previous male population, which is how it usually goes). It was at this time that the dingo dog was introduced to Australia as well as changes in their language and how they made their stone tools.
Disease certainly ravaged the initial population.
Indeed. Australian Aborigines are, without a doubt, the ugliest racial group on the planet:
http://www.debrapascalibonaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lena-and-Rosie-Pula.jpgReplies: @Walsh2, @Farenheit, @anon
Wonder how long it took ole Paddy to pick between lookers like that and a sheep – also wonder whether he regretted the decision the next morning.
I identify as a bear. We need more bears in local government. I promise I won't maul my secretary. Probably.Replies: @Kronos, @Nodwink
Well I identify myself as a non-taxable non-profit. Best financial decision I ever made.
I went back and read your 2011 article. The links were all dead 🙁 Can you please share a link to a primary source that talks about the director sending the girl to boarding school?
Thank you
Americans could start taking the same approach. If every American who was genetically 1% Native American claimed to be an American Indian the number of Indians would exceed the number of Blacks in America. In 2010 5.2 million Americans self-identified as Indian, an increase of 22% from the 2000 census.
if all Americans with Native American ancestry self-identified as Indian there would be a tenfold increase. There are 80 million Americans with Native American ancestry, 50 million self-identify as white. There are also 50 million Mexican-Americans , of which 30 million self identify as white Hispanics.
will be interesting to see the results of the 2020 census. The white population is starting to decline for the first time in our history. The decline in the absolute number of whites is accelerating. Can see it when you look at the number of whites under the age of 40
1980 – 112 million whites under the age of 40
2000 – 101 million whites under the age of 40
2020 – 86 million whites under the age of 40
Not impressed- I work for a company that B!tch slaps global warming.
What’s interesting is that when the Brits arrived in Australia (not coincidentally, right after they lost the American Revolution) there were already the first stirring of wokism (e.g. movements for the abolition of slavery) in the UK and the UK government (if not always the settlers who were after all a pretty rough bunch of convicts) had a conscious policy NOT to exterminate the natives unless they were being attacked and to try to deal fairly with them. But 95% of them died anyway.
Again you see this pattern all thru history up to the boarding schools where they were just trying to get these kids out of what they saw as alcoholic, tubercular, abusive homes and into a civilized place where they could receive a useful education and become productive citizens instead of one more generation of drunken child abusers. They were especially interested in nurturing those who were partly European and could “pass” as white. They thought that they were doing these kids a tremendous favor – armed with a Western education, they could learn a trade and marry white people and go live in a real house in a real city with a Western standard of living instead of living in a”humpy” on a diet of insect grubs, but this has all been twisted in the modern view into some kind of genocide against their culture.
This is a humpy. We (used to, when we were still sane) consider pre-contact Native Americans and sub-Saharan Africans to be “primitive” but compared to Aborigines they were friggin’ rocket scientists. After 50,000 years, this was the aboriginal achievement in architecture. It was one step above the leaf shelters that chimps build:
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
But…I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.
See , this sequential logical thought process invalidates indigenous ways of knowing. If you weren’t such an imperialist you would know that.
Is it true that there are people who deliberately use divisive race rhetoric for personal profit? Please tell us about this, Professor Sowell:
Huh, that’s weird. I did look up his bio and came across something completely different, listing his degrees in Indigenous Studies or something. Maybe he presents different parts of his CV depending on the position he’s holding, which makes sense.
But now I’m wondering why someone so accomplished also needs to push the Aboriginal angle. The world is strange.
It’s clear where this is leading. We need to start canvasing the Amazon jungle to find an underrepresented tribe that has had no contact with (I mean being contaminated by) white, European, racist, supremacist, Nazi, misogynist … men (I’m sure I missed something so please feel free to append additional explicatives).
The newly sanctified indigenous people need not have a written language, no experience with anything but the most primitive slash-and-burn agriculture (hunger/gatherer would even be better), no knowledge of “zero”, and find that 10 digits are sufficient for their most demanding mathematical problems … but maybe five digits on one hand are sufficient.
What a find! Choose one of them. We will have found the perfect candidate to make amends for past “sins” by reserving a Harvard professorship for the fellow. He’ll be exuberant over having indoor plumbing … but, I’m afraid, he won’t understand the need. It doesn’t matter. The more problems he has assimulating constitutes more evidence regarding how underserved this demographic has been in our white, male, racist, supremacist, Nazi, misogynist society.
Of course, there will be dissenters. Some will say: Why embarrass the fellow with a Harvard professorship? Why not plan for success? Lower expectations and certify him to work on HVAC, jet engines, and other advanced technical systems? I know … this is where the problems start. I don’t have a “woke” solution for this problem. But I’m sure my “woke” friends will find somewhere to cast the blame.
The tired and bitter epilog: “But we already do this. It’s called affirmative action.”
That’s a high-end estimate. Most people think that the pre-Conquest pop was under one million. And, as in the Americas, the bulk of the deaths were due to disease:
I wouldn’t doubt pre contact Australia having a population of 1 million. That’s a fraction (1/5 to 1/10) of the precontact Natives in North America, and Australia is about the size of the United States.Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D
The racial admixture of the Quadroon, Octaroon etc can hardly be judged as typical. You are classifying the Scottish and the Irish as “White”
That happened a lot. For example, the Apaches didn’t arrive in the Southwest until some time after AD 1200, with most estimates placing their arrival sometime around 1400. The Sioux /Dakota were latecomers to the Great Plains, as they began invading the area after 1700.The Dakota took The Black Hills from the Cheyenne, after a prolonged series of battles, in 1776:
“Sitting Bull : You must take them out of our lands.
Col. Nelson Miles : What precisely are your lands?
Sitting Bull : These are the where my people lived before you whites first came.
Col. Nelson Miles : I don’t understand. We whites were not your first enemies. Why don’t you demand back the land in Minnesota where the Chippewa and others forced you from years before?
Sitting Bull : The Black Hills are a sacred given to my people by Wakan Tanka.
Col. Nelson Miles : How very convenient to cloak your claims in spiritualism. And what would you say to the Mormons and others who believe that their God has given to them Indian lands in the West?
Sitting Bull : I would say they should listen to Wakan Tanka.
Col. Nelson Miles : No matter what your legends say, you didn’t sprout from the plains like the spring grasses. And you didn’t coalesce out of the ether. You came out of the Minnesota woodlands armed to the teeth and set upon your fellow man. You massacred the Kiowa, the Omaha, the Ponca, the Oto and the Pawnee without mercy. And yet you claim the Black Hills as a private preserve bequeathed to you by the Great Spirit.
Sitting Bull : And who gave us the guns and powder to kill our enemies? And who traded weapons to the Chippewa and others who drove us from our home?
Col. Nelson Miles : Chief Sitting Bull, the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all. You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent. You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause.
Sitting Bull : This is your story of my people!
Col. Nelson Miles : This is the truth, not legend.”
-Miniseries, Bury My heart at Wounded Knee
http://www.debrapascalibonaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lena-and-Rosie-Pula.jpgReplies: @Walsh2, @Farenheit, @anon
If I was Lori Lightfoot, I’d hire the one in the front to be my chief of staff.
Kenny Logan Isn’t Irish.
That company is the Lawrence Taylor of things that aren’t actually happening.
Found myself wondering what could have motivated white dudes to stick it in the indigenous. I suppose it gets lonely in the outback.
When we think of interracial Sex in Australia, they probably want us to think Jenny Agutter in Walkabout. But really it’s just filthy men with nothing better to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egI8oGuyHvIReplies: @guest, @The Last Real Calvinist
Not if the Queen’s still alive!
It’s an industry that is worth something like thirty billion dollars a year. For I think half a million people.Replies: @Bill Jones
It’s no contest in the tennis world between Yvonne Goolagong
And say, one of the alleged Williams sisters,
The death rates from diseases like smallpox on previously unexposed populations is consistently high. 50% death rates for first generation exposure are typical, with subsequent problems with fertility or wars with nearby groups in worse states leading to a 90% drop within a century. The Taino, Tasmanians, and Siberians, on three different continents, show this pattern: I believe all three completely wiped out (although some Latin Americans claim Taino ancestry in a sort of move for ethnic pride, being the group Columbus discovered)
I wouldn’t doubt pre contact Australia having a population of 1 million. That’s a fraction (1/5 to 1/10) of the precontact Natives in North America, and Australia is about the size of the United States.
There are thin coastal strips, mainly in south (which is their cooler region, everything being upside down) that are habitable but most of it is uninhabitable desert lacking in water sources that might as well be Mars. The aborigines were actually able to live in these areas to some extent (even what looks like a complete desert has SOME sources of food and water and after 50,000 years the aborigines had figured out how to exploit these) but only at extremely low densities.Replies: @Johann Ricke
The number of three bedroom Korean Episcopalian churches in Eastern PA is surprising.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ew9YFqAto2g/hqdefault.jpgReplies: @Bill Jones
I doubt there are many white-looking Australians with a small amount of Aboriginal ancestry of which they are unaware. We have had high-quality birth, death and marriage records since the 1850s and detailed genealogical research almost never uncovers hitherto unknown Aboriginal ancestry.
Only a small minority of Australians can trace their ancestry in this country earlier than the gold rushes of the 1850s. The number of generations from those gold-diggers (hence “diggers”) to the present is only four or five, at least for middle-aged and older people. When you have family photos of all your grandparents you would quickly notice one who wasn’t all-white.
Before the late 20th century few white Australians had any interaction with Aborigines: they just didn’t live in the same parts of the country. Despite our self-image as Crocodile Dundees, the great bulk of us are suburbanites. Even most of our farming areas are nowhere near the areas in which Aborigines lived after the 1830s.
Almost the only white-Aboriginal mating before the late 20th century was in remote rural regions (the Outback). Only a tiny number of white Australians ever lived in those areas, and they tended to be poor and uneducated, including a fair few of convict stock (many of them Irish).
Something similar happened in New South Wales before the Sydney Olympics in 2000.
The facts are that Aborigines lived mostly in the same places the rest of Australia lived, the fertile strip down the East Coast, and they kept living there after the 1788 invasion.
Inland Australia was sparsely populated then, it's sparsely populated now.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne
In the US, when they do these studies, the average white has an extremely small % of African blood because the one drop rule served as a sort of one-way filter - once you crossed the color line it was very hard to ever make it back over to the other side. Blacks have a lot of white blood but whites don't have a lot of black blood.
OTOH, in Latin America (even in Mexico, which you don't think of as having a lot of Africans), almost everyone has a dose of African (and Indian) blood, even people who consider themselves to be "white". In Mexico the black population just melted into the general population. The only exceptions being relatively recent immigrants from the Middle East and Europe, of which there are not many (but the few that there are make up a high % of the elite).
Searching for information on aborigines in Google is hilarious. So many simple questions bring up no meaningful answers. It's obviously a really tippy-toe taboo subject, and everything is so politically correct.
By the way, here's a "beautiful" aboriginal woman who obviously has mostly African ancestry:
https://theconversation.com/can-aboriginal-beauty-break-through-the-colour-bar-59452Replies: @Some Guy, @photondancer
Not quite what you asked for but:
My guess is that the “aboriginals” in the cities are overwhelmingly white, while out in the boondocks the real aboriginals have a much lower chance of marrying whites. Perhaps some Australian here can confirm or deny?
Edit: Looks like a previous commenter said much the same https://www.unz.com/isteve/australia-continues-to-crush-its-former-problem-with-racial-gaps/#comment-4238778
Usually, when we hear this line it’s that whites have no idea what it’s like to go through life as a black person–which is true. Most of us here (for example) are pretty darn smart. We have no idea what it’s like to go through the world with a two digit IQ.
But the other side of the coin is true as well. She has no idea what it’s like to be a smart whitey.
She can no more understand our frustration with her than we can her frustration with us. We live in parallel universes that only rarely intersect.
It’s beyond me how any white man, even the lowest, dirtiest, broken down old drunk in Alice Springs would want to get frisky with an Aboriginal female. They must put lots of Methyl Alcohol in with the Ethyl in Australian booze to make you blind drunk enough to want to get it on with one of them.
2000 - 101 million whites under the age of 40
2020 - 86 million whites under the age of 40Replies: @tr
If all Americans who have Native American ancestry were to identify as Native American it would wipe out the Scotts-Irish community entirely!
I wouldn’t doubt pre contact Australia having a population of 1 million. That’s a fraction (1/5 to 1/10) of the precontact Natives in North America, and Australia is about the size of the United States.Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D
Pre-Contact North America had agriculture (maize, etc); Australia did not. As I said upthread, one million is a high-end estimate for Australia. Most of the estimates that I’ve seen are in the 300,000-750,000 range.
True, but I think Steve’s couple of lines even beat that humor, the one about the guy looking like a relief pitcher from Scottsdale, Arizona, and then, the line about “living kick-ass lives” from Idiocracy.
Nice job, Steve!
Ah, Jenny Agutter….
http://www.debrapascalibonaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Lena-and-Rosie-Pula.jpgReplies: @Walsh2, @Farenheit, @anon
Those two are no more hideous than many negresses and Indian women.
Genuine Australian PSA. Hat tip to Luke Ford:
Our Lord may have been born in a stable, but who’s to say you can’t upgrade?
I have read the reports from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada. Nothing in those reports support your contention that “their cultures and languages were literally beaten out of them”. I suggest you read them in order to get your facts straight. Here’s one little factoid you might want to consider. Many of the schools were a condition of treaties signed with the Canadian government. The schools weren’t forced on them by the government. Those Indians who signed the treaties demanded the schools. Here’s another little fact. Some of the schools were also attended by white children. Some were set-up as orphanages for mixed breed children who would otherwise have had short, miserable lives. You can’t beat the language and culture out of children who never had it in the first place.
Will there be a Truth and Reconciliation Commission between Arab Muslims and the people of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Persia, Iraq/Babylonia? Will all the Arabs retreat to Yemen and Arabia Deserta?
Will the Bantu peoples give up all Africa and retreat to Ghana and Senegal? Will the Han retreat to the Wei River valley? Truth and Reconciliation demand it.
“And where else but Victoria, and where else but Melbourne, would we be getting that opportunity?”
Several other places in Australia
> extreme differences in cultural attitudes and laws regarding speech and guns
More urbanised, less organised
At various points in history there were attempts to preserve the traditional Aboriginal culture of full-blooded Aborigines. Policies towards full-blooded Aborigines and half-blooded Aborigines were often rather different. The idea was that the full bloods would be encouraged to keep their tribal culture while the half-bloods would be encouraged to assimilate. In places like Arnhem Land some more or less full-blooded Aborigines still live fairly traditional lives.
Australian government policies varied over the years but were almost always well-intentioned.
I think this is another who-whom thing. It’s like how the Bantu reached South Africa’s Cape Province (farther from their ancestral home in west Africa than Puget Sound is from Florida) about the same time as whites did. Yet only the whites are viewed as alien.
A million is the high estimate and there’s no actual proof. The low estimate is around 300,000.
Disease certainly ravaged the initial population.
I identify as a bear. We need more bears in local government. I promise I won't maul my secretary. Probably.Replies: @Kronos, @Nodwink
Ah, OK.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_slang)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egI8oGuyHvIReplies: @guest, @The Last Real Calvinist
Btw, before posting I looked up her age when Walkabout was made, just to be sure I wasn’t talking about an underage girl. Because she looked very young in my memory.
A good actress and great beauty.
At the time she was filmed in Walkabout, Agutter was 16 years old (on this point Wikipedia happens to be correct). But she had turned 18 by the time the film was released and at that time the producer and director obscured the fact that she was two years younger at the time of shooting.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
One child - again. The stage, movies and music are a fertility sink - for women. For straight men they're a fertility multiplier.
Will there be a Truth and Reconciliation Commission wrt Turks now living in/occupying Greek Christian Anatolia? Will the Turks give back Constantinople, formerly one of the three or so greatest cities of the ancient world, conquered by people who never built a two-story hut in their Central Asian homelands?
Will there be a Truth and Reconciliation Commission between Arab Muslims and the people of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Persia, Iraq/Babylonia? Will all the Arabs retreat to Yemen and Arabia Deserta?
Will the Bantu peoples give up all Africa and retreat to Ghana and Senegal? Will the Han retreat to the Wei River valley? Truth and Reconciliation demand it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Bonner
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Neville_Bonner_1979.jpg/1200px-Neville_Bonner_1979.jpgReplies: @duncsbaby
I don’t know anything about this guy but he sorta looks like the Willie Brown of Australia. The man might be a shit politician but he knows how to look like a million bucks. I’m guessing this photo was from the mid 70’s or so.
His line on Aboriginal affairs was always a moderate, assimilationist one. If he ever played the race card as a cynical ploy for advancement I must have missed it. Nor did he ever play the victim.
He served in Parliament as a senator of the Liberal Party, which in Australia was (and notionally still is) the centre-right party.
As for "the Willie Brown of Australia": not in the least. My guess is that had some 20-something Kamala Harris type tried to swap sex for favours during Bonner's political career, Bonner would have told her to piss off.
It is a sharp looking suit, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egI8oGuyHvIReplies: @guest, @The Last Real Calvinist
Thanks for that — what a babe she was.
I’ve noticed that the word ‘Wiradjuri’ turns up a lot with these white aboriginals. I’m beginning to wonder if it actually means ‘fake’. At any rate, they seem to be more amenable to supplying whitefellas with aboriginal credentials than other tribes.
But now I'm wondering why someone so accomplished also needs to push the Aboriginal angle. The world is strange.Replies: @Fredrik
Possibly because these days nothing is as important as your non-white heritage. That moves you to the good guys team.
It depends on exactly what you mean by “underage”, guest.
At the time she was filmed in Walkabout, Agutter was 16 years old (on this point Wikipedia happens to be correct). But she had turned 18 by the time the film was released and at that time the producer and director obscured the fact that she was two years younger at the time of shooting.
Nunn's was born June 26, 1961....which means that she was most definitely not 16 when she posed for photos that appeared in the February, 1977 issue of Penthouse.Replies: @Jack D
Nunn was born June 26, 1961….which means that she was most definitely not 16 when she posed for photos that appeared in the February, 1977 issue of Penthouse.
(Corrected a typo)
Oh brave new world that has such people in it!
I’ve noticed before how often all the high falutin’ talk of SJWs boils down to money and how they can get more of it (or, as in this case, avoid paying it).
Searching for information on aborigines in Google is hilarious. So many simple questions bring up no meaningful answers. It's obviously a really tippy-toe taboo subject, and everything is so politically correct.
By the way, here's a "beautiful" aboriginal woman who obviously has mostly African ancestry:
https://theconversation.com/can-aboriginal-beauty-break-through-the-colour-bar-59452Replies: @Some Guy, @photondancer
Actually, she looks very aboriginal and not at all african. We should save this photo so it can be displayed every time another white grifter con artist claims to be aboriginal in order to grab some sinecure.
Neville Bonner’s career was a bit before my time but from what I remember he was an above-average politician.
His line on Aboriginal affairs was always a moderate, assimilationist one. If he ever played the race card as a cynical ploy for advancement I must have missed it. Nor did he ever play the victim.
He served in Parliament as a senator of the Liberal Party, which in Australia was (and notionally still is) the centre-right party.
As for “the Willie Brown of Australia”: not in the least. My guess is that had some 20-something Kamala Harris type tried to swap sex for favours during Bonner’s political career, Bonner would have told her to piss off.
It is a sharp looking suit, though.
Unz readers may be interested to learn that the judge who found Andrew Bolt guilty of libelling “light skinned” persons claiming to be Aborigines was one Mordecai Bromberg, of unknown ethnicity.
Most Australians are aware that the “Stolen Generation” is a beat-up by white intellectuals. There is now a new outlet for white guilt, in the so-called Massacre Maps, created at a couple of Universities, which list the sites where (allegedly) Aborigines were massacred by white settlers. According to Quadrant magazine’s website, the research that has gone into creating these maps is not really all that rigorous:
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2020/10/the-shoddy-research-behind-the-massacre-maps/
There is a yawning gap between the attitudes of Australia’s intellectual class and those who have any contact with Aborigines in the outback, the latter group will tell you that Aboriginal settlements are sinks of depravity, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism etc.
Remember Mordy rambled on about such non legal themes as "the tone " in his ,er, judgement
Oddly the Herald-Sun -the publisher and a NewsCorp publication - chose not to appeal . This is one of the most discussed aspects of the whole case . No one has a clear answer for why
Although this was a Federal Court decision these Victorian judges are often a very left wing crowd( see the George Pell case ) . Interestingly Mordy's family were migrants from Israel and he went to government schools ( most Jews and future judges don't ) And he played senior Aussie rules football -which was even then rare for someone doing serious study and work even for a gentile . Then specialised in industrial matters on the union side . You can see why he would be popular with lefty non jews who make these decisions about selecting judges
Aborigines were living in Inner City Brisbane until the 1980’s when the Queensland Government moved them to outer suburban Woodridge to be out of sight for Expo ’88.
Something similar happened in New South Wales before the Sydney Olympics in 2000.
The facts are that Aborigines lived mostly in the same places the rest of Australia lived, the fertile strip down the East Coast, and they kept living there after the 1788 invasion.
Inland Australia was sparsely populated then, it’s sparsely populated now.
They had moved there in the early 20th century from rural areas.
In the early 21st century, the Aboriginal industry (mostly white academics) invented the idea that such groups were in continuous occupation of those urban sites. Like much recent Aboriginal "history" it is a fabrication.
Right. She looks distinctively Aboriginal.
Baz Luhrmann’s 2008 movie “Australia” was a self-consciously epic story about cattle-ranching in the northern territories with Hugh Jackman and Nicole Kidman. I really liked the Aboriginal kid actor who played the third lead with charming enthusiasm. I could listen to him talk all day, but I get the impression that a lot of Americans were offended by him and assumed he was some kind of minstrel show stereotype. Perhaps a lot of Americans don’t realize that there are dark-skinned non-Africans in Australia, and assumed he was some weird Australian blackface parody of Sub-Saharans?
How progressive....but not progressive enough. The New Yorker's David Denby condemned the film for anti-Wokeness:https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/12/08/history-in-the-making
What a brow ridge!
Most Australians are aware that the "Stolen Generation" is a beat-up by white intellectuals. There is now a new outlet for white guilt, in the so-called Massacre Maps, created at a couple of Universities, which list the sites where (allegedly) Aborigines were massacred by white settlers. According to Quadrant magazine's website, the research that has gone into creating these maps is not really all that rigorous:
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2020/10/the-shoddy-research-behind-the-massacre-maps/
There is a yawning gap between the attitudes of Australia's intellectual class and those who have any contact with Aborigines in the outback, the latter group will tell you that Aboriginal settlements are sinks of depravity, domestic violence, child abuse, alcoholism etc.Replies: @sb
There is close to universal legal agreement that Judge Mordy’s decision would have been overturned on appeal
Remember Mordy rambled on about such non legal themes as “the tone ” in his ,er, judgement
Oddly the Herald-Sun -the publisher and a NewsCorp publication – chose not to appeal . This is one of the most discussed aspects of the whole case . No one has a clear answer for why
Although this was a Federal Court decision these Victorian judges are often a very left wing crowd( see the George Pell case ) . Interestingly Mordy’s family were migrants from Israel and he went to government schools ( most Jews and future judges don’t ) And he played senior Aussie rules football -which was even then rare for someone doing serious study and work even for a gentile . Then specialised in industrial matters on the union side . You can see why he would be popular with lefty non jews who make these decisions about selecting judges
Awfully defensive are we? I didn’t think it was controversial to acknowledge that forced assimilation was the normal if not universal policy of governments around the world until very recently. Various methods were used depending on the time and place but the effects were much the same. Why do you think almost no Irish people speak Irish? Sure you could argue that the assimilation was “voluntary” in some cases but that’s just like saying a rape victim “wanted it” just because she figured she was better off not fighting it. I guarantee that, even if those Indians “demanded” the schools (which I doubt), I guarantee they would have preferred to keep all their territory and culture.
… just the names are comedy gold …
“Cary Bueno” … is that a stage name ?
Now I know that college has existed for a long time, but its old name sorta takes on a new meaning in this era of woke-gibs-getting: Brown University.
I guess it will become the preferred Ivy for our new overlords flooding in from the Sub-Continent, courtesy of Infosys, Sen. Mike Lee, and Nikki Haley?
I wouldn’t doubt pre contact Australia having a population of 1 million. That’s a fraction (1/5 to 1/10) of the precontact Natives in North America, and Australia is about the size of the United States.Replies: @syonredux, @Jack D
This is deceptive. To this day, the population of Australia is less than 1/10th the population of the US and less than the population of California alone.
There are thin coastal strips, mainly in south (which is their cooler region, everything being upside down) that are habitable but most of it is uninhabitable desert lacking in water sources that might as well be Mars. The aborigines were actually able to live in these areas to some extent (even what looks like a complete desert has SOME sources of food and water and after 50,000 years the aborigines had figured out how to exploit these) but only at extremely low densities.
You really cannot rely on family lore, and even official records are not always accurate. The only thing that never lies is DNA. I would be curious to know whether DNA studies have been done.
In the US, when they do these studies, the average white has an extremely small % of African blood because the one drop rule served as a sort of one-way filter – once you crossed the color line it was very hard to ever make it back over to the other side. Blacks have a lot of white blood but whites don’t have a lot of black blood.
OTOH, in Latin America (even in Mexico, which you don’t think of as having a lot of Africans), almost everyone has a dose of African (and Indian) blood, even people who consider themselves to be “white”. In Mexico the black population just melted into the general population. The only exceptions being relatively recent immigrants from the Middle East and Europe, of which there are not many (but the few that there are make up a high % of the elite).
There are thin coastal strips, mainly in south (which is their cooler region, everything being upside down) that are habitable but most of it is uninhabitable desert lacking in water sources that might as well be Mars. The aborigines were actually able to live in these areas to some extent (even what looks like a complete desert has SOME sources of food and water and after 50,000 years the aborigines had figured out how to exploit these) but only at extremely low densities.Replies: @Johann Ricke
My impression is that for agriculture to be cost-effective, the water used needs to be unmetered (i.e. free). The day desalination technology becomes so efficient, either through improvements in renewables or the separation process into salt and water, Australia will be able to support the same population as the US without massive food imports. But until then, it’s reliant on tapping rapidly shrinking aquifers for agricultural purposes.
Also there's no rule that you have to be self-sufficient in food if you have enough high value exports. As it is, Australia is a major food exporter.
‘…▪ KKK symbols and flags
▪ Confederate flags and symbols
▪ Police lights /blue lives matter flag
▪ Trump signs and white terrorism slogans
▪ USA Flag…’
Parenthetically, I used to operate a moving business in the San Francisco Bay Area. For a couple of years (this would have been around 2000 or so), I ran around with a Confederate flag bumper sticker on the truck.
I got negative comments or looks from a couple of whites. No Black ever gave any sign that he cared at all.
Of course, given that big KKK presence in the San Francisco Bay Area, maybe they were afraid to.
Interesting…..Kidman (the film’s posh Brit heroine) wants to “save” the half-Aboriginal kid from going to a mission school:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2008/dec/28/australia-review
How progressive….but not progressive enough. The New Yorker‘s David Denby condemned the film for anti-Wokeness:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/12/08/history-in-the-making
At the time she was filmed in Walkabout, Agutter was 16 years old (on this point Wikipedia happens to be correct). But she had turned 18 by the time the film was released and at that time the producer and director obscured the fact that she was two years younger at the time of shooting.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
A lot of people can’t do basic mathematics. Take, for example, Berlin lead singer Terri Nunn. She finally confessed to having posed for Penthouse back in the ’70s. Here’s how WIKIPEDIA describes it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Nunn
Nunn’s was born June 26, 1961….which means that she was most definitely not 16 when she posed for photos that appeared in the February, 1977 issue of Penthouse.
At the time she was filmed in Walkabout, Agutter was 16 years old (on this point Wikipedia happens to be correct). But she had turned 18 by the time the film was released and at that time the producer and director obscured the fact that she was two years younger at the time of shooting.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
A lot of people can’t do basic mathematics. Take, for example, Berlin lead singer Terri Nunn. She finally confessed to having posed for Penthouse back in the ’70s. Here’s how WIKIPEDIA describes it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Nunn
Nunn was born June 26, 1961….which means that she was most definitely not 16 when she posed for photos that appeared in the February, 1977 issue of Penthouse.
(Corrected a typo)
Nunn's was born June 26, 1961....which means that she was most definitely not 16 when she posed for photos that appeared in the February, 1977 issue of Penthouse.Replies: @Jack D
While male rock stars can often been quite strange looking, I have the feeling that for female singers having model quality looks is a major asset. Even more important that musical talent in the sense of being able to play an instrument – often they are vocalists only.
https://wardrobetrendsfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/WTFSG_Debbie-Harry-Hair-1980s.jpgReplies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
Why do you keep referring to Cary Bueno as a Professor? She herself doesn’t use that term, so it’s disingenuous for you to keep calling her that using scarequotes. Here is her website for reference.
http://sites.gsu.edu/cbueno1/
I do find it ironic, however, that if the property owner refused to rent to her because of her blackness, she would have complained about that as well.
I’ve long theorized that a major factor behind Blondie‘s good critical rep back in the ’70s had to do with the fact that a huge number of Rock critics wanted to bone Debbie Harry:
And she had knockout legs too.But Blondie turned out a number of good hits as well. It certainly wasn't all looks. That said, though, looks are critical to musicians' fortunes more than ever these days. Partly because of MTV. And now YouTube.
“A good actress and great beauty.”
One child – again. The stage, movies and music are a fertility sink – for women. For straight men they’re a fertility multiplier.
Something similar happened in New South Wales before the Sydney Olympics in 2000.
The facts are that Aborigines lived mostly in the same places the rest of Australia lived, the fertile strip down the East Coast, and they kept living there after the 1788 invasion.
Inland Australia was sparsely populated then, it's sparsely populated now.Replies: @Richard of Melbourne
The groups of Aborigines in inner urban areas of Brisbane and Sydney were not native to the area.
They had moved there in the early 20th century from rural areas.
In the early 21st century, the Aboriginal industry (mostly white academics) invented the idea that such groups were in continuous occupation of those urban sites. Like much recent Aboriginal “history” it is a fabrication.
Certainly for stuff like grain crops, yes. But Israel is able to profitably grow high value crops (e.g. fresh cut flowers) using drip irrigation, greenhouses, etc. Obviously there is a limit as to how far this can be scaled up but you can use expensive water to grow specialty crops. And since desalination plants require energy, having cheap energy helps.
Also there’s no rule that you have to be self-sufficient in food if you have enough high value exports. As it is, Australia is a major food exporter.
▪ Confederate flags and symbols
▪ Police lights /blue lives matter flag
▪ Trump signs and white terrorism slogans
▪ USA Flag...'
Parenthetically, I used to operate a moving business in the San Francisco Bay Area. For a couple of years (this would have been around 2000 or so), I ran around with a Confederate flag bumper sticker on the truck.
I got negative comments or looks from a couple of whites. No Black ever gave any sign that he cared at all.
Of course, given that big KKK presence in the San Francisco Bay Area, maybe they were afraid to.Replies: @Rob McX
I know, bits of charred crosses everywhere. Blacks were afraid they’d end up like Harvey Milk if they looked at you the wrong way.
Them's war the days. The Bay Area, circa 2000. White Power, White Power, White Power!
Ridin' high, wide, and handsome, we were. Not like today...
‘I know, bits of charred crosses everywhere. Blacks were afraid they’d end up like Harvey Milk if they looked at you the wrong way.’
Them’s war the days. The Bay Area, circa 2000. White Power, White Power, White Power!
Ridin’ high, wide, and handsome, we were. Not like today…
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
By the way, I highly doubt his "Nan" wasn't "'allowed" to go to school. Maybe by her own tribesmen, but not by the white man.
But...I thought Aborigines going to school was the worst thing that ever happened to them! Help me out here.Replies: @Anon, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @Jack D, @kaganovitch, @Eagle Eye
As in the U.S., Australia’s left-suffused academic establishment is TERRIFIED of any evidence indicating that the ancestors of today’s aborigines may NOT have been the first or only human group to have settled in Australia. (See also “Solutrean Hypothesis” that European populations may found their way to North America traveling by boat along the Ice Age ice shelf.)
Most distressing are the Lake Mungo remains, one of which was some 6 ft 5 in height and of uncharacteristically “gracile” build.
Of course, the skeleton could not be 62,000 years old, because ¡SCIENCE! teaches that all modern humans are the result of an out-of-Africa migration 60,000 years ago, as the article kinda sorta admits.
https://wardrobetrendsfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/WTFSG_Debbie-Harry-Hair-1980s.jpgReplies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
Debbie Harry’s looks certainly didn’t hurt.
And she had knockout legs too.
But Blondie turned out a number of good hits as well. It certainly wasn’t all looks. That said, though, looks are critical to musicians’ fortunes more than ever these days. Partly because of MTV. And now YouTube.
Discussion of the Lake Mungo remains is pretty much off limits in Australia. Any further scientific investigation of the Lake Mungo remains is pretty much off limits in Australia.
Balderdash. I’ve lived in Sydney for decades and there certainly weren’t any removals for the Olympics. I don’t believe there were any for Expo either otherwise we’d be hearing all about it. Where exactly are you claiming they were moved from, and to where?
All Australian lawyers( these days) have either a LLB or ,increasingly , a JD plus ,depending on the jurisdiction, either have completed a Legal Practise course or have completed Articles .
The post graduate US qualifications cited ( probably ) wouldn’t get a white person an academic appointment ( it’s pretty competitive and the university matters )
RMIT isn’t somewhere one goes to if one wants to become a lawyer ( every university bar one in Australia has a Law School . Most graduates from the lesser ranked ones just don’t become lawyers )
The aborigine courses are ,what’s the word ? ….ah yes …a joke . But no doubt a wise career move for this guy
https://eal09researchproject.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/evonne-goolagong.jpgAnd say, one of the alleged Williams sisters,
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2012/01/327151-Williams-1327512702.jpgReplies: @MEH 0910