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The political question of the day is whether Trump can win politically by hammering on a nonexistent crisis of order in America's cities. You would think not, but I'm not 100% confident 2/
— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) September 2, 2020
From the New York Times news section:
A Violent August in N.Y.C.: Shootings Double, and Murder Is Up by 50%
The city recorded 242 shootings in August, up from 91 last year, continuing a summer spike in gun violence that has become an issue in the presidential race.
By Mihir Zaveri
Sept. 2, 2020… Since May, the city has recorded 791 shootings, a more than 140 percent increase over the same period in 2019. The 180 murders seen between May and August is a more than 51 percent increase compared to 2019.
In August alone, there were 242 shootings in the city, compared with 91 last year, and the number of murders rose from 36 to 53.
Accuracy is down this year, for reasons I speculate about in my new Taki’s column “Just Knock It Off.”
The reduction in subway travel has probably led to more shootings as New Yorkers are stuck in their own neighborhoods where they, not surprisingly, get on each other’s nerves:
The pandemic has also played a role, the chief said. Feuds have festered in communities where rival gangs cannot escape each other’s presence, fueling a cycle of violence, he said.
“So we are seeing larger and larger crowds standing outside their buildings, hundreds, if not more, together and disputes occur,” he said. “And that’s when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting and that one shooting may begin another five or six, because of the revenge that takes place after that.”
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It used to be that people would actually know a bit about the reality they are inhabiting. No longer.Replies: @Possumman, @Muggles
New Yorkers get on everybody’s nerves. It’s not a Local thing – even after taking the Express or a cross-country flight they get on people’s nerves.
Yo Steve, even after de-funn da poh-LEASE, Honkees STEEL gettin’ white privlige!
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Some gun owners use guns to commit crimes.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.
How would the government enforce a mandatory-insurance requirement? House-to-house searches for unregistered weapons?
And how about requiring gay men to take out insurance against transmitting AIDS? That would be met with howls of outrage even though sodomy, unlike gun ownership, isn't even a Constitutional right.
There's a reason that you (presumably) pay for Uninsured/Underinsured coverage on your auto policy.
Criminals don’t obey laws and regulations.
I’m afraid the worst is yet come. The unemployment rate among immigrant populations in NYC is incredibly high. Not just among former service industry employees but illegal immigrant hustlers who once survived selling counterfeit goods on the streets. As their source of income disappears they aren’t just going to disappear or head back to Jamaica or Africa. American negroes at least can look forward to whatever stimulus checks of transfer payments the US government decides to provide but for an African or Caribbean illegal they are SOL.
Illegal immigrants do work using phony documents and file taxes. Are they using their phony Social Security numbers and phony drivers licenses to get unemployment and stimulus payments? I do not know. I do know that Nigerian scammers used stolen identity information to get unemployment last spring before the government caught on. Why couldn't individual illegal immigrants do on a small scale what Nigerian scammers did on a large scale?
I have wondered about this a lot.Replies: @peterike, @Muggles
May I suggest an official theme song for the this uptick in NYC gang violence.
Related topic: Shootings are up in San Francisco also.
Pelosi shot herself in the foot when she got caught at the salon. Then she shot herself in the other foot when she publically claimed “…it was a setup!”
She is getting old and they say the first thing to go is your judgment.
So now what.
1) Issue a fatwa that salons remain closed until Nov 4 and keep the anger contained to the internet or
2) open them all now as peace offering and have the ladies gossip up a literal sh*tstorm in person or
3) doctor a deep fake video showing Trump getting the exact same hair blow thing done but with his stylist wearing a KKK outfit.
It’s up to you New York…..Newwwww Yorrrrkkk! Seriously, quit blaming it (not you Steve) on covtard, heat, humidity, proximity etc. It’s just typical tnb – especially the lousy aim. The jogger can jog outta da hood, but da hood ain’t leavin da jogger.
And along with the shootings there’s the litany of assaults and beatings, the bizarre subway-platform rape attempt, the frail 84-year-old NYPD rabbi getting pawed by the homeless guy, the homemade spear attack in Times Square …
Nobody in New York will call for this but I will: I call for the federal government to confront and take down the gangs of today just as they did the Italian Mafia and Irish gangs years ago.
Such an effort will require much work and many years to complete. That’s all the more reason to start as soon as we can. The American people deserve a country without criminal gangs and all the havoc and mayhem they cause. Our poor neighborhoods are bad enough without being ruled by killers and thugs who only care about themselves.
Now if you want to know why we have problems in America, ask yourself why no actual New York governors or mayors or any other so-called leaders of any kind have ever said anything like this. Why have they accepted the unacceptable for generations? Nothing will change if we don’t start speaking honestly and getting to the root causes of our problems.
Properly organized criminals may be a problem for the overall society, but they defend their turf. Which has benefits for the little people, who turned out en masse for John Gotti's funeral.
Shootings are up in NYC because:
1. Bail has largely been abolished.
2. Due to Covid, the jails have been opened, unleashing criminals on to the streets. NYC used to “work” because criminal lowlifes were traditionally in some part of the criminal justice system. Now, they are just let go.
3. The violent mentally ill are just allowed to roam the streets. Over the last two decades, homeless people in New York City were generally kind of meek. On the West Coast, violent homeless schizos are given free reign while in New York they were kept off the streets. Since Covid, the mental asylums and jails have been opened up and violent crazies are out on the streets.
4. In response to George Floyd, the highly effective undercover anti-crime unit has been abolished. No more undercover cops, no more gun confiscation. Criminals no longer have fear on the streets. You can now carry a gun without a threat of an undercover officer frisking you. Thus, shootings have exploded. The NYPD no longer rules the night.
5. Criminals no longer fear the cops as City Hall and New York City culture now sides with criminals over the police.
It was a nice run. We may never have a proper Tartar Vigilante in this Town again.
Some skells also spent much of the time on subways, where they were scarcely a welcome presence but at least were relatively easy for the police to watch. A few months ago the transit authority began closing the subway from 1am to 5am, ostensibly for "deep cleaning" but in reality to de-skell them. That translates to more roaming the streets. In most cases they get off the trains well before closing or don't ride at all, rather than being tossed off the trains at remote terminals at 1am.
Subway travel is down so much that only one person was filming this filthy primate attempting to rape a woman on the platform and no cheering BLMers. Come on New York we expect more from you.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12538236/jose-reyes-rape-video-subway-platform-new-york-city/
Are we wrong for assuming illegal immigrants are not getting these benefits? Yes it is true that they are not supposed to get unemployment or stimulus money. But you do not go to a government office and present a birth certificate to get these benefits. It is done over the computer or just by filing tax returns in prior years.
Illegal immigrants do work using phony documents and file taxes. Are they using their phony Social Security numbers and phony drivers licenses to get unemployment and stimulus payments? I do not know. I do know that Nigerian scammers used stolen identity information to get unemployment last spring before the government caught on. Why couldn’t individual illegal immigrants do on a small scale what Nigerian scammers did on a large scale?
I have wondered about this a lot.
There's also a lot of ethnic networking. Chinaman gets a job at the welfare department (New York city and state government hire immigrants like crazy), and then rubber stamps every Chinese person that walks in the door. A lot of this is done the old fashioned way: face-to-face grifting and diaspora networks. The amount of graft and fraud in New York government at all levels is amazing, and goes right up to the Mayor.
Years ago I knew a guy who was a carpenter foreman in the NY City school system. It was a license to steal. If a project needed N amount of lumber, they'd order N x 3 or so, and the extra would go right out the door, either to sell or use in their own private business carpentry side work. Double and triple dipping is also endemic.Replies: @Clyde
Federal benefits are often tied to SSNs. These can be stolen or faked but govt offices can easily check that against the data base online. Names/addresses/DOB can be matched, though that depends on how diligent the welfare workers are.
There is a master Death Index so SSNs from the dead are hard to use if anyone checks. A dead person's SSN isn't recycled as far as I am aware.
Of course if benefits are given prior to any processing of applications then it won't matter. I think there is some effort to exclude ineligible applicants in the case where limits are in force. Also even the dumbest Democrat employee doesn't want to get fired for someone later caught getting two dozen checks using the same SSN or ID.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
No, it would limit gun ownership to people who are willing to break the law to buy a gun on the black market – e.g., criminals.
How would the government enforce a mandatory-insurance requirement? House-to-house searches for unregistered weapons?
.. that one shooting may begin another five or six ..
Thugs gone viral.
You have to remember we’re talking about the magical jogger here. There won’t be any local or national discussion as to who the gang members are, or what color they are or what will be done about it – which is nothing.
https://urban-planet.com/collections/up_mens-joggers_shop-all-joggers
Urban Planet joggers. Always up to date with fashion.
https://urban-planet.com/collections/up_mens-joggers_shop-all-joggers
So Professor Crazy Beard is going with the, “Who ya gonna believe, me, or your lyin’ eyes?” argument. Or, perhaps, its really the old Commie-in-Self-Denial argument: “I didn’t see anything bad, therefore, nothing bad has happened!”
Mayor Ted Wheeler of Portland and the chick mayors of Chicago and Seattle were making the latter argument recently until their own homes were targeted, and then all of a sudden they noticed these were riots.
The Commies now are going with two contradictory narratives simultaneously:
1. Nothing violent is happening, it’s all disinformation from Trump/Fox News/Online Putin trolls. (the Krugman/Kristoff stance)
2. All the violence we’re seeing is Trump/White Nationalists’ fault. (This is Joy Reid stance).
#1 seems to be the stance of older Boomers who still believe that the trad corporate media (NY Times/WaPo/NBC/CBS) controls the majority of the voter narrative, and therefore their denial will hold until the election. It’s stupid after the last election when the internet memed Trump into the presidency and Alex Jones has built an online empire, but Krugman famously denied the internet would be a big deal, he’s out of touch.
#2 is for younger or less established media, who realize that the internet has made many voters savvy and the independent reporters’ videos aren’t being ignored. Reid, who got burned when the internet discovered her old posts, knows first hand that the internet has broken the control the corporate media used to have.
Ironically, although Reid is sputtering idiotic baboon, her argument works better. As the Feds haven’t rounded up Antifa, its easier to blame the violence on unproven “white supremacist” claims. But an alternative is, anyone smeared as such can go the Sandmann route and sue them into a nice healthy settlement.
I recall a noisy Yankees fan on a late evening cross-country flight to LA. He was following the game and reacted loudly to every up or down play from the Yankees. Wish we could have tossed him out.
“This is fine,” says Dr. Krugman.
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1300141962075557896?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVDWbQtbN7U
Traditionally, the Yanks are the minority team in the city. Dodger and Giant fans greatly outnumbered them, and coalesced when the Mets replaced both.
What’s always been annoying to Yankee-hating New Yorkers is how so many out-of-towners embrace them.
My Mets youth is the primary reason I chose to go with Manchester City over United. United was the Yankees in red.
https://i.ibb.co/74w7ZBN/Capture-2020-09-02-22-33-51-2.pngReplies: @El Dato, @Dumbo, @Richard B
They should call this thing “The Krugman”:
A Black Hole So Big It ‘Should Not Exist’
It used to be that people would actually know a bit about the reality they are inhabiting. No longer.
If this is how Krugman gets his data, how did he win a Nobel Prize? Now he wins the mouth-breathing, pseudo-intellectual nerd of the century award. What a dork.
And the people who inhabit his bubble hang on every word. His Pulitzer is the ultimate “scoreboard” argument—nobody who wins a Pulitzer can be wrong!
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1300141962075557896?s=21Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @anonymous
When was the last time Paul Krugman took the subway? Bet Rudy was Hizzoner back then.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Enforcement of failing to buy liability insurance is racist, don’t you know?
1. Bail has largely been abolished.
2. Due to Covid, the jails have been opened, unleashing criminals on to the streets. NYC used to "work" because criminal lowlifes were traditionally in some part of the criminal justice system. Now, they are just let go.
3. The violent mentally ill are just allowed to roam the streets. Over the last two decades, homeless people in New York City were generally kind of meek. On the West Coast, violent homeless schizos are given free reign while in New York they were kept off the streets. Since Covid, the mental asylums and jails have been opened up and violent crazies are out on the streets.
4. In response to George Floyd, the highly effective undercover anti-crime unit has been abolished. No more undercover cops, no more gun confiscation. Criminals no longer have fear on the streets. You can now carry a gun without a threat of an undercover officer frisking you. Thus, shootings have exploded. The NYPD no longer rules the night.
https://youtu.be/XDwyDN3SNt4?t=42
5. Criminals no longer fear the cops as City Hall and New York City culture now sides with criminals over the police.
It was a nice run. We may never have a proper Tartar Vigilante in this Town again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZgZ9cN4kQReplies: @prosa123, @Pericles
Violent mentally ill homeless are more widespread throughout the city because of a couple of policy changes in response to COVID-19. Until recently many of them were housed in large shelters, where they had at least some supervision. To reduce shelter crowding, however, the city’s been paying operators of otherwise-empty hotels to house skells, and there’s essentially no supervision.
Some skells also spent much of the time on subways, where they were scarcely a welcome presence but at least were relatively easy for the police to watch. A few months ago the transit authority began closing the subway from 1am to 5am, ostensibly for “deep cleaning” but in reality to de-skell them. That translates to more roaming the streets. In most cases they get off the trains well before closing or don’t ride at all, rather than being tossed off the trains at remote terminals at 1am.
1. Bail has largely been abolished.
2. Due to Covid, the jails have been opened, unleashing criminals on to the streets. NYC used to "work" because criminal lowlifes were traditionally in some part of the criminal justice system. Now, they are just let go.
3. The violent mentally ill are just allowed to roam the streets. Over the last two decades, homeless people in New York City were generally kind of meek. On the West Coast, violent homeless schizos are given free reign while in New York they were kept off the streets. Since Covid, the mental asylums and jails have been opened up and violent crazies are out on the streets.
4. In response to George Floyd, the highly effective undercover anti-crime unit has been abolished. No more undercover cops, no more gun confiscation. Criminals no longer have fear on the streets. You can now carry a gun without a threat of an undercover officer frisking you. Thus, shootings have exploded. The NYPD no longer rules the night.
https://youtu.be/XDwyDN3SNt4?t=42
5. Criminals no longer fear the cops as City Hall and New York City culture now sides with criminals over the police.
It was a nice run. We may never have a proper Tartar Vigilante in this Town again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZgZ9cN4kQReplies: @prosa123, @Pericles
I wonder if Martin Shkreli has been released yet. Free Shkreli!
http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/48661_Nerd-Alertlow.jpgReplies: @John Milton’s Ghost
I can’t think of another scholar who is, as a public intellectual, more of a hack than what Paul Krugman has become. Not even Chomsky. Krugman has managed to trade his scholarly eminence, which was considerable, for the right to make outrageously partisan claims with flimsy and dishonest uses of evidence.
And the people who inhabit his bubble hang on every word. His Pulitzer is the ultimate “scoreboard” argument—nobody who wins a Pulitzer can be wrong!
It’s becoming almost comical. I am seeing more and more of this type of combination of news headlines (including in my local major newspaper), something like…
“BLM Protests for racial justice mostly peaceful” followed by smaller letters underneath…
“The fanciest downtown shopping area in flames; widespread looting and shootings reported; white supremacists suspected”
It’s like they are not even trying anymore.
Then the opinion section will have a title for an op-ed such as…
“Trump responsible for stroking racial hatred and violence”
I guess they are trying.
https://i.ibb.co/74w7ZBN/Capture-2020-09-02-22-33-51-2.pngReplies: @El Dato, @Dumbo, @Richard B
The fact that Krugman won the Nobel Prize discredited it forever. Bob Dylan winning it later on was just urinating on an already dead body. The Nobel means nothing now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Memorial_Prize_laureates_in_Economics
officially known as The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
Of course that's hardly an argument as one will find some of those dudes for whom one approves having been given the gong, and some for which one one does not.
I guess we’ll know it is really bad when, like the mayor of Portland, Krugman decides it is time to bug out. Until then, for many “normal” folk, NYC has already reached that point:
source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/nyregion/moving-new-york-coronavirus.html?auth=login-email&login=email
Maybe Krugman sees no AntiFA because the city is no longer interesting for them:
Three families of lifelong ny'ers next month, and two more in March. They have assets, degrees and good careers. Unlike the too often lament that they bring liberal voting habits, they don't. They are moving because of others with those habits have ruined the city.
Other colleagues with high paying careers just broke their lease, moving to another state bringing their skills with them. While helping pack them the landlord lamented that for every ten apartments he has, four are now vacant, and a fifth gave notice of leaving by November when the leases are up.
Think of all those income, wage taxes gone, along with the trickle down effect of their spending (sales taxes).
Five years ago the governor stated he didn't want certain people to stay in ny state. Now he wants them to stay or return with their money. Not happening, as is well documented.
This is the kind of gratuitous gunplay we all want to see:
Major development: Pres. Trump abandons cities.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-orders-feds-begin-defunding-new-york-portland-and-other-anarchist-cities
Western cities have had no natural monopolies to serve as an economic base since c.a. 1960. They are supported by political funding (direct and indirect both), and are a burden that the the US (including the population of the cities) can no longer sustain. The current crisis is not about racism, it is about the question of extracting money from the rest of the world (including Western non-urban areas) to support Western cities, a question that has two answers: Continue extracting at all, or stop extracting.
Pres. Trump has made the first move towards “stop extracting”. He is doing it for the same reason a swimmer carrying an anchor might decide to drop the anchor.
This is as historic as Pres. Trump stating that the current (2020) riots are organized, and that the organization recruits and provides logistic support for the rioters.
Things are moving very quickly. To quote a line familiar to all parents, ‘And all we could say was, ‘Now what, Cat? Now what?’ ”
You can always count on Paul Krugman to be 100% wrong.
Maybe Krugman sees no AntiFA because the city is no longer interesting for them:Replies: @John Achterhof, @Old nurse 20, @anon
I don’t have any impressive economics credentials to support the claim but it seems to me the new zeitgeist of pervasive white institutional oppression, intended perhaps strictly as a tool in the realm of politics, has come to present a significant broad challenge to viable urban retail business operation.
Plus there are Hurricanes (what happened to Laura? It got dropped like Murder Hornets)
I went for a belated NYC run this morning, and am sorry to report that I saw very few black-clad anarchists.
This is the poorest excuse for an argument imaginable.
I lived in NYC from 1968 through 1974, and you know what? I never actually saw anyone getting robbed, raped, or murdered. Not even once! Okay, I heard a lot about it, but having not seen it myself proves all that talk about it being one of the highest crime periods in the city’s history was a lot of nonsense.
BTW, I met OJ Simpson once, around 1990. And you know what? He couldn’t have been a nicer guy. So don’t tell me he killed two people. I didn’t see that.
This is a genuinely nasty, nasty man, made worse by his bug-eyed sneer.
Pauline Kael was unavailable for comment.
Maybe Krugman sees no AntiFA because the city is no longer interesting for them:Replies: @John Achterhof, @Old nurse 20, @anon
Yup, true that more are moving, and these are productive people, not the usual parasites.
Three families of lifelong ny’ers next month, and two more in March. They have assets, degrees and good careers. Unlike the too often lament that they bring liberal voting habits, they don’t. They are moving because of others with those habits have ruined the city.
Other colleagues with high paying careers just broke their lease, moving to another state bringing their skills with them. While helping pack them the landlord lamented that for every ten apartments he has, four are now vacant, and a fifth gave notice of leaving by November when the leases are up.
Think of all those income, wage taxes gone, along with the trickle down effect of their spending (sales taxes).
Five years ago the governor stated he didn’t want certain people to stay in ny state. Now he wants them to stay or return with their money. Not happening, as is well documented.
Maybe Krugman sees no AntiFA because the city is no longer interesting for them:Replies: @John Achterhof, @Old nurse 20, @anon
Companies that rent out trucks, such as U-Haul, are seeing so many move out of NYC that they are running out of trucks in NYC. The companies depend on reciprocal moves into locations to bring the trucks back to, in this case, NYC. Without these reciprocal moves into NYC, NYC runs out of trucks for people wanting to move out of NYC.
Newspeople used to go out looking for news. Now they go out like carriage horses with those big blinkers over their eyes, dead-set on ignoring the obvious. Same with Schumer, Gillibrand, Nadler et al — not a peep as their turf goes down the tubes. (Mark Simone: “They’re like bad waiters: ‘Sorry, not my table!’”
Ozone Park was relatively crime free and working class white when it was Mob Run. I haven’t checked it recently.
Properly organized criminals may be a problem for the overall society, but they defend their turf. Which has benefits for the little people, who turned out en masse for John Gotti’s funeral.
Krugman’s got a point. The city was quiet on Wednesday morning. Wednesday mornings are prime riotin’ time.
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1300141962075557896?s=21Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @anonymous
New York City… is a shithole:
At least midtown will help answer the question for minorities who bother to ask it:
“What if white people just decided to leave, and let the jews and us run things?”
This is the poorest excuse for an argument imaginable.
I lived in NYC from 1968 through 1974, and you know what? I never actually saw anyone getting robbed, raped, or murdered. Not even once! Okay, I heard a lot about it, but having not seen it myself proves all that talk about it being one of the highest crime periods in the city's history was a lot of nonsense.
BTW, I met OJ Simpson once, around 1990. And you know what? He couldn't have been a nicer guy. So don't tell me he killed two people. I didn't see that.Replies: @Patrick in SC, @anon
Would he be so snarky if the subject was, say, a white on black “hate crime”? Would he joke about not seeing any KKK robes in Charleston, SC a month after Dylan Roof shot those black parishioners?
This is a genuinely nasty, nasty man, made worse by his bug-eyed sneer.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Here’s a clue: 1) Those in illegal possession of a gun, in furtherance of using it in a crime, are not going to comply with red-tape regulations. 2) Legal gun owners are not the ones committing crimes with their legally-owned guns.
Well, you know what I saw? I saw a black guy getting arrested, and the cop didn’t shoot him! So I guess that means everyone can shut the hell up about police shootings too, right?
Strange how that never works on them, isn’t it?
This is the poorest excuse for an argument imaginable.
I lived in NYC from 1968 through 1974, and you know what? I never actually saw anyone getting robbed, raped, or murdered. Not even once! Okay, I heard a lot about it, but having not seen it myself proves all that talk about it being one of the highest crime periods in the city's history was a lot of nonsense.
BTW, I met OJ Simpson once, around 1990. And you know what? He couldn't have been a nicer guy. So don't tell me he killed two people. I didn't see that.Replies: @Patrick in SC, @anon
This is the poorest excuse for an argument imaginable.
Pauline Kael was unavailable for comment.
Illegal immigrants do work using phony documents and file taxes. Are they using their phony Social Security numbers and phony drivers licenses to get unemployment and stimulus payments? I do not know. I do know that Nigerian scammers used stolen identity information to get unemployment last spring before the government caught on. Why couldn't individual illegal immigrants do on a small scale what Nigerian scammers did on a large scale?
I have wondered about this a lot.Replies: @peterike, @Muggles
Every immigrant Chinese granny in the City gets a host of benefits, whether entitled or not, while their children are scamming whatever taxes they can. The only thing is that maybe the black immigrants aren’t as smart when it comes to gaming the system. But I doubt it.
There’s also a lot of ethnic networking. Chinaman gets a job at the welfare department (New York city and state government hire immigrants like crazy), and then rubber stamps every Chinese person that walks in the door. A lot of this is done the old fashioned way: face-to-face grifting and diaspora networks. The amount of graft and fraud in New York government at all levels is amazing, and goes right up to the Mayor.
Years ago I knew a guy who was a carpenter foreman in the NY City school system. It was a license to steal. If a project needed N amount of lumber, they’d order N x 3 or so, and the extra would go right out the door, either to sell or use in their own private business carpentry side work. Double and triple dipping is also endemic.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
What percentage of gun crime is committed by people who are in illegal possession of said gun, i.e. ALREADY breaking a law?
Research that and report back. Also please dig into which insurance companies would be willing to underwrite the firearms of ghetto blacks.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Requiring insurance against the possible side-effects of exercising a Constitutional right, strikes me as problematic. You wouldn’t require insurance on typewriters (that could be used to write a ransom note or a bank stick-up note), would you?
And how about requiring gay men to take out insurance against transmitting AIDS? That would be met with howls of outrage even though sodomy, unlike gun ownership, isn’t even a Constitutional right.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Just like car insurance: nice middle-class people will take the requirements seriously, and the underclass will find ways to evade them.
There’s a reason that you (presumably) pay for Uninsured/Underinsured coverage on your auto policy.
Slightly OT, The Cliffton in Patchogue, NY seems to be familiar with iSteve:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/li-bar-is-taking-bets-on-which-city-will-have-more-shootings-over-labor-day-weekend/2595507/
Not to mention such luminaries as Yasir Arafat and Barack Obama. Obama, IIRC got the peace prize a couple of weeks into his first presidential term. His primary achievement prior to that was being elected Senator from Illinois and serving three years of his term.
https://i.ibb.co/74w7ZBN/Capture-2020-09-02-22-33-51-2.pngReplies: @El Dato, @Dumbo, @Richard B
Krugman worships at The First Church of Crimestop
“Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought.
It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction.
Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
in 2020 America, small arms insurance would work about as well as automobile insurance works. that is to say, not at all.
mexicans don’t have to pay for car insurance, africans won’t have to pay for handgun insurance.
contemporary divergences in law enforcement are deliberate anarcho-tyranny.
A Black Hole So Big It ‘Should Not Exist’
It used to be that people would actually know a bit about the reality they are inhabiting. No longer.Replies: @Possumman, @Muggles
Last time I looked Trump does have an army–called The Army
Hell, he hadn’t been sworn in yet when he got it.
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Ron needs to add a “FACEPALM” action.
FWIW, The Nobel Prize in Economics is not a Nobel Prize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Memorial_Prize_laureates_in_Economics
officially known as The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
Of course that’s hardly an argument as one will find some of those dudes for whom one approves having been given the gong, and some for which one one does not.
Depressing. It would be understandable for a hurricane; it is incomprehensible for what is supposed to be the financial capital of the World’s greatest superpower. We are the new Romans, circa 410 AD.
Plywood prices must be high.
Plus there are Hurricanes (what happened to Laura? It got dropped like Murder Hornets)
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/li-bar-is-taking-bets-on-which-city-will-have-more-shootings-over-labor-day-weekend/2595507/Replies: @El Dato
Ah, canned phraseology!
Krugman’s comment is utterly nonsensical. Anyone who lives in a city of any size knows areas of town they would go to in the morning but wouldn’t dare enter at night. Most rioters, arsonists, thugs and looters are sleeping off their highs/drunks when he jogs by.
There's also a lot of ethnic networking. Chinaman gets a job at the welfare department (New York city and state government hire immigrants like crazy), and then rubber stamps every Chinese person that walks in the door. A lot of this is done the old fashioned way: face-to-face grifting and diaspora networks. The amount of graft and fraud in New York government at all levels is amazing, and goes right up to the Mayor.
Years ago I knew a guy who was a carpenter foreman in the NY City school system. It was a license to steal. If a project needed N amount of lumber, they'd order N x 3 or so, and the extra would go right out the door, either to sell or use in their own private business carpentry side work. Double and triple dipping is also endemic.Replies: @Clyde
Chinese elderly been scamming the SS system and more for years. I had to go to a wedding in NYC in 1985. I walked around and in the Manhattan Chinatown there were 6 large towers. At least 15 stories that were devoted to retired Chinese. No doubt many had legitimate work histories in America but my guess is at least 60% were brought over by their working children and were scamming the welfare/SSI system to the max and also being part time baby sitters.
Model minority they ain’t. On the other hand, when Whites have abandoned every American city , the entire population of China will still be eager to escape Godfree’s paradise and keep the rents up.
The last part really is the key.
It’s not anti police activity. It’s not the Ferguson effect. Lock people up for 3 months and more and they start to simmer and get mad. I warned about this in March, but I’m just a lowly guy in a small town. It was plain as say what was going to happen this summer. I just didn’t know what spook would spark it all. Frankly I’m a bit surprised it isn’t worse.
And how many people in your small town are shooting each other?Replies: @Truth, @Truth
Illegal immigrants do work using phony documents and file taxes. Are they using their phony Social Security numbers and phony drivers licenses to get unemployment and stimulus payments? I do not know. I do know that Nigerian scammers used stolen identity information to get unemployment last spring before the government caught on. Why couldn't individual illegal immigrants do on a small scale what Nigerian scammers did on a large scale?
I have wondered about this a lot.Replies: @peterike, @Muggles
Some kinds of benefits are harder for criminals and illegals to access, others easier. Also depends on locale. In NYC and Cali, probably it is open season on the taxpayer for everyone who gets in line. In Texas or the Midwest, not the same.
Federal benefits are often tied to SSNs. These can be stolen or faked but govt offices can easily check that against the data base online. Names/addresses/DOB can be matched, though that depends on how diligent the welfare workers are.
There is a master Death Index so SSNs from the dead are hard to use if anyone checks. A dead person’s SSN isn’t recycled as far as I am aware.
Of course if benefits are given prior to any processing of applications then it won’t matter. I think there is some effort to exclude ineligible applicants in the case where limits are in force. Also even the dumbest Democrat employee doesn’t want to get fired for someone later caught getting two dozen checks using the same SSN or ID.
Just like car insurance: nice middle-class people will take the requirements seriously, and the underclass will find ways to evade them.
There’s a reason that you (presumably) pay for Uninsured/Underinsured coverage on your auto policy.
It wouldn’t work like car insurance anyways because most guns used in crimes are illegally acquired.
Insurance companies would happily insure someone in rural Oregon as the odds of them shooting someone with a legally acquired gun are over 1 in 10 million. So they would say sure we will insure them, that will be 20 dollars a year for the guy in rural Oregon but someone in Detroit will need to pay 5k a month. Well that is a constitutional violation as you would price people out of a right.
It’s just a scheme that the anti-gun crowd hasn’t thought through. This is because the anti-gun crowd doesn’t want to face the racial reality of shootings. They *want to believe* that all gun owners are equally capable of gun violence just as all car owners are capable of of an accident. The statistics say not really.
The way to reduce gun violence is to get guns out of Black areas. That is statistically correct but both sides want to avoid that discussion.
A Black Hole So Big It ‘Should Not Exist’
It used to be that people would actually know a bit about the reality they are inhabiting. No longer.Replies: @Possumman, @Muggles
So how many platoons of government paid bodyguards does Hizzonor have when he strolls down 5th Ave.?
My guess is he wouldn’t get 100 feet down the block before he is mobbed without his goons. After dark, 10 feet before he’s knifed. Of course he’d have to be recognized.
It's not anti police activity. It's not the Ferguson effect. Lock people up for 3 months and more and they start to simmer and get mad. I warned about this in March, but I'm just a lowly guy in a small town. It was plain as say what was going to happen this summer. I just didn't know what spook would spark it all. Frankly I'm a bit surprised it isn't worse.Replies: @John Johnson
It’s not anti police activity. It’s not the Ferguson effect. Lock people up for 3 months and more and they start to simmer and get mad. I warned about this in March, but I’m just a lowly guy in a small town.
And how many people in your small town are shooting each other?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-09-01/pandemic-meth-fuel-crime-and-domestic-abuse-in-montana
https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/violent-crime-up-in-yellowstone-county-since-covid-19-pandemic-officials-say/article_d5f2eb96-8240-54a7-aa85-26be30952a14.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-arrested-for-the-murder-of-20-year-old-from-holland-township/ar-BB18Bzah
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/08/21/utah-man-charged-with/
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/08/28/2-arrested-shooting-wyoming-trooper-barricading-larimer-county-home/5655564002/
https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/man-accused-of-stabbing-girlfriend-has-bond-set/article_ba973f4b-bc65-5cfc-bfaf-a63569088c20.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-sentenced-for-stabbing-girlfriend-to-death-stuffing-body-in-trunk/ar-BB18p50B
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/update-police-identify-victim-in-watertown-homicide/ar-BB18FUFt
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/north-dakota/articles/2020-08-05/bismarck-man-accused-in-stabbing-facing-attempted-murder
http://www.theprogressnews.com/news/crime/clark-provides-details-on-manhunt-gives-update-on-murder-suspect/article_129b8ccc-171b-5be7-bd7d-42680bc2ab3b.html
https://www.kvrr.com/2020/08/22/man-arrested-for-attempted-murder-after-stabbing-girlfriend-in-fargo/
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/da-files-attempted-murder-charges-against-driver-who-veered-into-motorcyclist-near-castle-rock
https://www.fox21news.com/news/crime/mother-son-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-in-colorado-springs/
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/bonners-ferry-chiropractor-accused-of-killing-fellow-chiropractor/293-78bd08c8-0cdf-4058-bf66-99f4638ea4da
https://gephardtdaily.com/local/south-salt-lake-police-id-suspect-charged-victim-killed-in-early-morning-stabbing/
https://www.startribune.com/charges-shooter-left-murder-weapon-next-to-body-in-lino-lakes-home/572286712/
https://meaww.com/minneapolis-man-murders-wife-not-having-enough-sex-dumps-body-garage-shoots-neighbors
https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/crime-and-courts/6638525-Son-charged-with-murder-in-Minnesota-mans-death
https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2020/09/03/oregon-man-charged-after-attacking-woman-with-knife-asking-her-to-kill-him-police-say/af2dgaa/
His first scandal free term. He followed this with a second scandal free term .one day the media will tell us how this was achieved?
By the media covering up his scandals/crimes, which are the worst of any American president.
I feel our situation is nearer the Crisis of the Third Century, but I think there is an argument to be made for your perspective as well.
One day the media will tell us how this was achieved?
By the media covering up his scandals/crimes, which are the worst of any American president.
And how many people in your small town are shooting each other?Replies: @Truth, @Truth
And how many people in your small town are shooting each other?https://www.kotatv.com/2020/08/31/august-homicide-numbers-in-rapid-city-almost-surpass-all-of-2019/
And how many people in your small town are shooting each other?Replies: @Truth, @Truth
https://www.kotatv.com/2020/08/31/august-homicide-numbers-in-rapid-city-almost-surpass-all-of-2019/
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-09-01/pandemic-meth-fuel-crime-and-domestic-abuse-in-montana
https://billingsgazette.com/news/local/violent-crime-up-in-yellowstone-county-since-covid-19-pandemic-officials-say/article_d5f2eb96-8240-54a7-aa85-26be30952a14.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-arrested-for-the-murder-of-20-year-old-from-holland-township/ar-BB18Bzah
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/08/21/utah-man-charged-with/
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/08/28/2-arrested-shooting-wyoming-trooper-barricading-larimer-county-home/5655564002/
https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/man-accused-of-stabbing-girlfriend-has-bond-set/article_ba973f4b-bc65-5cfc-bfaf-a63569088c20.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-sentenced-for-stabbing-girlfriend-to-death-stuffing-body-in-trunk/ar-BB18p50B
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/update-police-identify-victim-in-watertown-homicide/ar-BB18FUFt
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/north-dakota/articles/2020-08-05/bismarck-man-accused-in-stabbing-facing-attempted-murder
http://www.theprogressnews.com/news/crime/clark-provides-details-on-manhunt-gives-update-on-murder-suspect/article_129b8ccc-171b-5be7-bd7d-42680bc2ab3b.html
https://www.kvrr.com/2020/08/22/man-arrested-for-attempted-murder-after-stabbing-girlfriend-in-fargo/
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/da-files-attempted-murder-charges-against-driver-who-veered-into-motorcyclist-near-castle-rock
https://www.fox21news.com/news/crime/mother-son-arrested-in-connection-to-murder-in-colorado-springs/
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/bonners-ferry-chiropractor-accused-of-killing-fellow-chiropractor/293-78bd08c8-0cdf-4058-bf66-99f4638ea4da
https://gephardtdaily.com/local/south-salt-lake-police-id-suspect-charged-victim-killed-in-early-morning-stabbing/
https://www.startribune.com/charges-shooter-left-murder-weapon-next-to-body-in-lino-lakes-home/572286712/
https://meaww.com/minneapolis-man-murders-wife-not-having-enough-sex-dumps-body-garage-shoots-neighbors
https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news/crime-and-courts/6638525-Son-charged-with-murder-in-Minnesota-mans-death
https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2020/09/03/oregon-man-charged-after-attacking-woman-with-knife-asking-her-to-kill-him-police-say/af2dgaa/
Indeed, I remember visiting the Windy City back in the day and being told by a Mexican American cop there that South Side of Chicago was fine to visit at noon, just don’t be caught out there after dark.
Place your bets:
https://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/09/weekend-overunder.html
These dysfunctional gun owners kill citizens, lower property values, drive out businesses and raise taxes.
How can a community protect itself from these enormous costs?
Insurance.
Each gun owner should be required to purchase insurance before they purchase a gun.
If the gun owner uses his gun to commit a crime, the insurer must pay for the gun owner’s imprisonment, as well as for medical care and financial compensation for victims.
Obviously, insurance would be vastly more expensive for gun owners who are likely to use a gun to commit a crime.
Therefore, requiring gun owners to purchase liability insurance would limit gun ownership to people who are extremely unlikely to use their guns to commit crimes.Replies: @Stan Adams, @Redneck farmer, @Forbes, @William Badwhite, @International Jew, @Chris Renner, @prime noticer, @Mike Tre, @Alden
Most criminals don’t purchase their guns in stores. Most criminals purchase their guns from other criminals who have stolen them. Most criminals don’t register their guns. There is no way to keep track of criminal’s guns. Auto insurance is required in most states. But many people drive and own cars without insurance. And it’s a lot easier to hide a gun than count on never being stopped and asked for car insurance.
Criminals don’t obey laws and regulations.
As I remember from my days as a Probation Officer just about every gun used in a crime was illegal. Even when the criminals were acquitted, the judges used to confiscate the guns . That meant the guns stayed in police evidence storage forever. Criminals were very indignant about that.
Plus, the elderly Chinese SSI scammers make plenty of money putting in bunk beds and renting out sleeping places in their low income apartments. 6 illegal tenants, another $1,800 a month illegal income. Add a few sewing machines, a cutting table and a few irons and they’ve got a little garment factory.
Model minority they ain’t. On the other hand, when Whites have abandoned every American city , the entire population of China will still be eager to escape Godfree’s paradise and keep the rents up.
I went for a run this morning and you know what? I didn’t see a single white supremacist. Not one! I guess they are also nonexistent.
Hmm… For that matter, I’m old enough to remember hearing about the riots of the 60’s, as well as the freedom marches, yet I don’t recall ever running into a rioter or a marcher.
Wow, Krugman has given me a whole new way to understand the world!!!