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Because Uzbekistan is full of Muslims? Because other countries import them?
The alleged New York attacker joins a long list of ISIS sympathizers and recruits from the country.
JULIA IOFFE
Saipov isn’t the first native Uzbek to have been implicated in a terrorist attack. Last summer’s airport bombing in Istanbul was carried out by an Uzbek man, along with co-conspirators from other Central Asian countries. An Uzbek drove a truck into a crowd in Stockholm in April. Last week, an Uzbek was sentenced to 15 years in prison by a New York court for providing material support to ISIS. Uzbekistan has provided some 1,500 soldiers to ISIS in Iraq and Syria, according to the Soufan Group. ISIS has claimed that Uzbeks were responsible for some of its most high-profile suicide bombings in Iraq. In November 2014, the largest Uzbek faction fighting in Syria pledged its allegiance to the Taliban.
In 2014, seemingly acknowledging that government restrictions on the practice of Islam weren’t working, Karimov asked Russia’s Vladimir Putin for help in dealing with his extremist problem. Putin shared Karimov’s concerns, but he was in the process of exporting his own Islamist threat to Syria, turning a blind eye to thousands of Russian citizens going to join the fighting as long as they stayed out of the way during the 2014 Sochi Olympics. This year, Russia has overtaken Saudi Arabia and Tunisia to become the largest supplier of foreign fighters to ISIS. Men from Russia’s Muslim republic of Dagestan told me in April that when they ventured into ISIS-controlled territory in Syria, they found a Russian-language subculture on the streets of cities like Tabqa, where fighters and families from all over Central Asia were united by that region’s Soviet lingua franca. …
Now, as ISIS continues to lose territory, those Russian-speaking fighters from Uzbekistan and other post-Soviet countries are scattering. …
Consider this: The bomber who detonated himself in the St. Petersburg metro in April, killing over a dozen people, was an ethnic Uzbek from Kyrgyzstan. He had never trained in Syria or Iraq, but he had been in touch with his countrymen who had been.
It’s not yet clear where Saipov was radicalized; an acquaintance of his has speculated it didn’t happen until after he moved to the United States. Saipov’s Uzbek roots, however, highlight the complex interplay of factors that go into an individual’s radicalization.
You might think it has something to do with Islam and American immigration policies.
But Julia know it’s actually very complex.
And it’s all Putin’s fault.
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Because there’s nothing worth blowing up in U-stan?
Tashkent is 3,000 mi + from the Atlantic. Seems to be outside the publication’s jurisdiction.
Tell Whiskey that teaching in Uzbekistan is the best gig for a guy who wants to pick up lots of chicks:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/05/chicken-as-payment-in-uzbekistan/482370/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Andijan_Unrest
Hmm, I wonder why so many Palestinians turned to terrorism.
And I wonder which nations opened up the channels for terrorists into Syria to mess things up.
Putin shared Karimov’s concerns, but he was in the process of exporting his own Islamist threat to Syria, turning a blind eye to thousands of Russian citizens going to join the fighting as long as they stayed out of the way during the 2014 Sochi Olympics. This year, Russia has overtaken Saudi Arabia and Tunisia to become the largest supplier of foreign fighters to ISIS.
But Russia doesn’t share borders with Syria.
Those terrorists entered through Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Sunni-controlled parts of Iraq. Russia didn’t subvert border controls that made it possible for so many terrorists to enter.
Putin didn’t SEND them there, no more than EU sent Jihadis to Syria. The Jihadis found their own way there, and the crucial factor was the nations surrounding Syria — allies of the US — let terrorists to enter from all sides.
Indeed, if not for Russia, Syria would be totally overrun by Jihadis.
Russia had no role in Libya, and what happened there?
Russia has Muslim fighters and radicals, but they are not creation of the state. They are what the state tries to suppress. If anything, it’s been the West that has been cynically encouraging and aiding those radicals to cause trouble in Russia and the Middle East.
And if Putin failed during Sochi, it was not anticipating what Neocons had in store for him in Ukraine.
Neocons aided neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a democratically elected government.
Ioffe is a vile disgusting Zionist bitch. That her ilk have such powerful role in the media goes to show elite institutions are filled with intellectual terrorists who blow up the truth.
She is worse than Erderly who only messed up a college. Likes of Ioffe and Nuland destroy entire nations.
[The comforting words of the Book of Ecclesiastes.]
https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2017/11/five-books-to-make-you-less-stupid-about-the-civil-war/544628/ Ta-Nehisi Coates calling General Kelly stupid while presenting himself as a genius authority on the Civil War. With his five genius book recommendations included.
He is back from Gay Paree and kickin ass! The Genius is on fire!
Notice he doesn't make the slightest effort to explain why the comment about compromise and the Civil War was stupid. Probably it's supposed to be self-evident, but he does rather stress the stupidity of it. Such an emphatic, repeated insult calls for some explanation, I should think.Replies: @AndrewR
Putin is following the same strategy Franco did with his nutcases. Send them off to the Eastern Front to die for whatever. It gave Franco peace and quiet until he died. Putin was likely glad all those lunatics went off to die in Syria, rather than blow up the Metro in Moscow or St. Petersburg and provide that most dangerous example. The Czar cannot protect Russians.
Putin’s enemies are not the TV chick running against him or even Alex Navalny, who is more nationalist than he is to the growing disquiet of the Western liberal elite. Its hard ex-KGB killers who might fancy a move up; and figure a weak lion is ripe for overthrowing.
Young Muslim men are not good at much of anything but blowing stuff up, beheading people, and running people over with motor vehicles or piloting planes into buildings. Other than that, they are not good at anything. Not sports ball, not rapping, not singing, not dancing, not being the large in charge extrovert that many Black actors specialize in playing. Not nerdy grinding like European and Asian scientists, nor imaginative storytelling like the Irish, English, Scots, French, Italians, and Jews have done. There’s no Sherlock Holmes, Superman, Robin Hood, or Opera beloved by the entire world created by Muslim men. Other than blowing stuff up and running people down, Muslim men generally don’t do much.
Which means that they will be a problem wherever they are, and ESPECIALLY for a society above goat herding nomads where they fit right in (and the joke goes, make the goats very, very nervous). It would be like dumping extravert Athletes and Entertainers into a 24/7 Calculus class; a recipe for disaster. The best way to avoid Muslim terrorism like Japan and Poland is simply not to have any Muslims.
Only an idiot would believe that Anglo-Zionists are "fighting Islamic terrorism".
I don't think it would be correct to call you "delusional". Rather, you are a flat-out liar and a contemptible, nasty little Russophobic neocon cretin.Replies: @Herzog
Personally I am waiting for liberal female journalists to write the Putin version of how they couldn’t stop dreaming about the President being in their bed.
The whole article is Jewish obfuscation from start to finish. That’s all anyone needs to know about it and all anyone has a right to expect from a Jewish author. You might get lucky and get a decent analysis of an event, one that actually increases your understanding of it, but the closer the event falls to Jewish sore spot issues, the less likely that is; and under no circumstances do you have a right to expect such a decent analysis. If you play the odds and assume it’s going to be crap, you’ll come out streets ahead.
“It’s not yet clear where” Julia Ioffe “was radicalized”. (Is she, as German editor Joseph Joffe, related to the Red Army General?)
Remember when the Russian government tried to warn America about Tamerlan Tsarnaev? Our Deep State either didn’t care or was protecting him.
Now we have the Establishment Left accusing Team Trump of having lied about attempting to receive Russian intel about a treasonous, coughing harpy who would have intentionally harmed our nation had she become president.
Trump, without admitting anything himself, should make that analogy:
They really gave this assignment to Julia Ioffe, good grief? Couldn’t they find somebody who has a really comprehensive, almost soul-full appreciation of the travails of Russia and her increasingly problematic satellite colonies? I don’t know, someone like Marsha Gessen.
The style is odd. It reads like it was written by a sober and intelligent ghost writer, and then passed to Ta-Nehisi to drop slang here and there.
The pervasive theme of “stupid”, which comes close to calling the reader stupid, tells me that Coates has interpreted the “genius” part of his MacArthur award too literally.
Julia Ioffe conveniently demonstrates that Islamic terrorists aren’t the worst or most destructive emigrants to come out of Russia.
“Assholes Uzbekistan” – Borat
How do you embed clips in the comments?
It won't show up no matter who you are, once there are already a certain number of them in one thread (my current empirical understanding of it). I noticed that copying a youtube video from a mobile device - "http://m.youtube.com ...." has not worked for me, but I'm not sure it's just because of the "m" for mobile in the URL - it seems like it.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
I hate being greeted with mass howls.
Did Thavolia Glymph study history at Hogwarts?
What is it with these people and Ron Chernow? Court historian extraordinaire, but as I’ve said before, he’s revisionist/conspiracy theorist-friendly, too. Or at least he was when he wrote books about Lords of Finance and Captains of Industry. I don’t know about the others.
Notice he doesn’t make the slightest effort to explain why the comment about compromise and the Civil War was stupid. Probably it’s supposed to be self-evident, but he does rather stress the stupidity of it. Such an emphatic, repeated insult calls for some explanation, I should think.
And if Putin failed during Sochi, it was not anticipating what Neocons had in store for him in Ukraine.
Neocons aided neo-Nazis in Ukraine to topple a democratically elected government.
Ioffe is a vile disgusting Zionist bitch. That her ilk have such powerful role in the media goes to show elite institutions are filled with intellectual terrorists who blow up the truth.
She is worse than Erderly who only messed up a college. Likes of Ioffe and Nuland destroy entire nations.Replies: @Digital Samizdat
I don’t know. It seems to me that the Crimean referendum went pretty smoothly–that implies that at least a little bit of contingency planning took place beforehand. For my money, the one who failed was Yanukovych, when he signed that idiotic agreement with the EU to withdraw the Berkut that were protecting the parliamentary compound. That’s what allowed his enemies to bum-rush the parliament and ‘vote’ him out of office.
There is a legitimate query raised by the author that should not be dismissed out of laziness and a lack of interest. Indonesia has a population of 260 million and usually sees about 20 odd terrorism deaths per annum. Pakistan has about 207 million and during 2011 and 2012 had over 3,000 terrorism deaths annually, down to about 1,000 now. So there are factors beyond just being Muslim that encourage terror attacks. Maybe the strong tribalism engendered by cousin marriage increases susceptibility to violent Salafism?
I had no idea Uzbekistan and central Asia were becoming hotspots for terrorism although it was somewhat predictable given the brutal crackdown on their colour revolutions. The Chechens are all crazy, the only central Asians I know are Kazakhs who live rather humdrum, blameless lives as oil and gas engineers.
We already fought the Uzbeks (IMU, to be exact) in Paktia in 2002 (Operation Anaconda). So this fits the typical “invade the world – invite the world” pattern.
At the very least he should have used a few more synonyms for stupid to avoid sounding so repetitive and, you know, stupid.
It’s a very common Jewish surname, with many variations, Jaffe, Ioffe (Russian spelling), Yofi, Yaffe, etc… From the Hebrew for beauty.
I don’t see why you have to go further than this:
Running amok, sometimes referred to as simply amok or gone amok,[is “an episode of sudden mass assault against people or objects usually by a single individual following a period of brooding that has traditionally been regarded as occurring especially in Malay culture but is now increasingly viewed as psychopathological behavior”. The syndrome of “Amok” is found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV TR).
Although commonly used in a colloquial and less-violent sense, the phrase is particularly associated with a specific sociopathic culture-bound syndrome in Malaysian culture. In a typical case of running amok, an individual (often male), having shown no previous sign of anger or any inclination to violence, will acquire a weapon (traditionally a sword or dagger, but presently any of a variety of weapons) and in a sudden frenzy, will attempt to kill or seriously injure anyone he encounters and himself.
Amok typically takes place in a well populated or crowded area. Amok episodes of this kind normally end with the attacker being killed by bystanders or committing suicide, eliciting theories that amok may be a form of intentional suicide in cultures where suicide is heavily stigmatized.
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Working as a Uber driver? Probably not making enough money to makes ends meet, and the medical bills for having a new baby must have come in, and could be thousands of dollars, plus a whole lot more stress at home, and 23 family dependents following him to the US and making demands on him.
He cracked.
This type of behavior has some parallels with “suicide by cop” which is fairly common in the European-American community and accounts for hundreds of police shootings each year.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC181064/
Has Ta Genius found his Bill Ayers? I was thinking same as you.
One thing that is never taught anymore in American schools is there is no such thing as a national character unless one is a slaving and raping white man. One can never consider that Uzbekistan has a national hero. Americans used to take cues from George Washington, Uzbeks do the same. Except while Americans have Washington, Uzbeks have Tamerlane.
General Kelly has likely read dozens of books and taken many courses on the Civil War. Genius Coates is sooooooo smart all he had to do to “out-knowledge” Kelly was to skim a few chapters in one or two books. The content of this article is akin to modern black debate methods where they fast read many unrelated arguments.
Really, I did not think it sounded intelligent at all. Plus I don’t think he made any case about why saying “…the lack of an ability to compromise lead to the Civil War” is incorrect or deserving of howls of derision. The Genius seems to believe that any working compromise would have kept slavery as an institution. In reality, after all of the previous compromises had failed, the only compromise left was a gradual ending of slavery with possibly some manner of compensation to southern slave owners, and land for freed slaves, shipping them back, or a territory of their own.
I'm not familiar with his other sources though.Replies: @CAL2
If Putin indeed is sending many of the worst Mohammedan terrorist types out of Russia and the republics bordering Russia, then he is a genius with balls. That will lower the terrorist threat inside Russia and allow Russians and their allies in Syria to kill a number of Mohammedan terrorists who otherwise would be plying their trade in Russia.
If I were Putin, I would see about sending of the Mohammedans who live in, or within 30o miles of, Russia to either North America or Africa or Saudi Arabia.
Well it is complex. Obviously the vast majority of Muslims never become terrorists, and some Muslim populations are more likely to breed terrorists.
It’s amazing that you’ll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. “Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?”
If 1 out of the 20 guests to your party want to kill you do you still through a party? How about if another 2 of those guests will distract you to help the 1? How about if another 3 won't say anything while the other 3 go about their business and the remaining 4 don't want to end up dead like you are about to be?Replies: @AndrewR
If I were Putin, I would see about sending of the Mohammedans who live in, or within 30o miles of, Russia to either North America or Africa or Saudi Arabia.Replies: @Steve Sailer
What Putin is doing is bribing Ramzan Kadyrov on a vast scale to live out the Chechen Dream (and kill all the anti-Moscow Muslim militants he can get his hands on). Lots of anti-Russian Chechens, not wanting to take their chances with Kadyrov’s mercy, take their (considerable) military skills to the Middle East.
Notice he doesn't make the slightest effort to explain why the comment about compromise and the Civil War was stupid. Probably it's supposed to be self-evident, but he does rather stress the stupidity of it. Such an emphatic, repeated insult calls for some explanation, I should think.Replies: @AndrewR
Apparently because spilling the blood of hundreds of thousands of white men was more important than maintaining a morally dubious system that would have collapsed within a generation anyway due to economic forces.
I just wrote another comment, submitted it, edited it within two minutes and was told I could no longer edit it (although the timer was nowhere near the end). I then refreshed the page and the comment has disappeared. Ron, please get ads or ask for donations if you can’t afford to fund a functional website by yourself.
The theft of their Country. Resistance is not terrorism.
What I was going to say before the website glitched, both for the sake of intellectual honesty and because it bolsters my argument: In addition to the many hundreds of thousands of white casualties, 40,000 black soldiers were killed and many more were seriously harmed, sickened and disabled during the war. Throw this in leftists’ faces when they try to claim that slavery was worth ending by force, especially when any educated person should know that it was peacefully abolished in every other country where it was practiced (besides Haiti)
And that is bad thing?
I wouldn't say it's a smart strategy though. Don't forget the US supported certain groups and certain people in Afghanistan because they were fighting the Soviets. Look how that turned out in the end.
Compared to her peer group, Julia Ioffe is a moderate and voice of reason. Check out the full interviews PBS Frontline recently posted as part of their Putin’s Revenge project. She’s the only American citizen — as far as I could tell — who entertained the thought that the Russians might be forgiven for thinking American interests aren’t identical to Russian interests. The rest of them were happy to assume the trouble all boils down to Putin’s psychological insecurities and Russians’ generally inability to get with the frigging program. They’ve conformed to the Washington consensus so why can’t Putin conform too? Maybe he’s paranoid or insecure about his height?
Again, I was locked out of editing before my five minutes were up. I just wanted to add that the 1804 Haitian genocide actually did great harm to the cause of abolition and civil rights for blacks in the US. The Haitians proved that blacks could be genocidal if given the opportunity.
It's amazing that you'll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. "Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?"Replies: @CAL2, @Samuel Skinner, @peterike, @Herzog, @silviosilver
It’s not simply the number who act. It is the number who support Islamic terrorism and that number is usually +30%. You also have to include the “moderates” who may not support terrorism but are happy to profit from the advance of Islam.
If 1 out of the 20 guests to your party want to kill you do you still through a party? How about if another 2 of those guests will distract you to help the 1? How about if another 3 won’t say anything while the other 3 go about their business and the remaining 4 don’t want to end up dead like you are about to be?
My parties are quite haram anyway.
How do you embed clips in the comments?Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Just go up to the address bar (where the URL is – “http://www.youtube ….”) and highlight it (make it blue), then cntrl-c (or Edit–> Copy) to copy it. Then, get back into this “Body of Comment” box and paste it in (cntrl-v or Edit –> Paste).
It won’t show up no matter who you are, once there are already a certain number of them in one thread (my current empirical understanding of it). I noticed that copying a youtube video from a mobile device – “http://m.youtube.com ….” has not worked for me, but I’m not sure it’s just because of the “m” for mobile in the URL – it seems like it.
It's amazing that you'll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. "Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?"Replies: @CAL2, @Samuel Skinner, @peterike, @Herzog, @silviosilver
Because more nuanced analysis isn’t really needed. No Muslim immigrants, no Muslim terrorism.
Saipov might have be the only Uzbecky to make the news in distant non-Uzbecky lands for doing something other than dealing drugs and getting killed. He also looks like a 12 year old with a beard.
It never seems to have occurred to the pro-Muslim immigrant crowd, that no Muslims in the U.S. would mean no Islamophobia, a win-win for both sides.
See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/11/democrats-pronouns-and-muslim-immigrants.html
Saipov was the immigrant capitalism wanted, created, and deserves. An Uber driver who was paid just enough to pay the rent from a country created by the asset stripping following the collapse of the Soviet Union, and motivated by Imperialist wars. The Taxi driver that goes berserk, I think that is an ancient New York story I have heard before somewhere.
It's amazing that you'll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. "Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?"Replies: @CAL2, @Samuel Skinner, @peterike, @Herzog, @silviosilver
Indeed, it’s inarguable. If this goat herder was back in Uzbekistan, where he belongs, he could not have been simultaneously driving that truck in New York City. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for some people to grasp.
Putin's enemies are not the TV chick running against him or even Alex Navalny, who is more nationalist than he is to the growing disquiet of the Western liberal elite. Its hard ex-KGB killers who might fancy a move up; and figure a weak lion is ripe for overthrowing.
Young Muslim men are not good at much of anything but blowing stuff up, beheading people, and running people over with motor vehicles or piloting planes into buildings. Other than that, they are not good at anything. Not sports ball, not rapping, not singing, not dancing, not being the large in charge extrovert that many Black actors specialize in playing. Not nerdy grinding like European and Asian scientists, nor imaginative storytelling like the Irish, English, Scots, French, Italians, and Jews have done. There's no Sherlock Holmes, Superman, Robin Hood, or Opera beloved by the entire world created by Muslim men. Other than blowing stuff up and running people down, Muslim men generally don't do much.
Which means that they will be a problem wherever they are, and ESPECIALLY for a society above goat herding nomads where they fit right in (and the joke goes, make the goats very, very nervous). It would be like dumping extravert Athletes and Entertainers into a 24/7 Calculus class; a recipe for disaster. The best way to avoid Muslim terrorism like Japan and Poland is simply not to have any Muslims.Replies: @Parbes
STFU and get lost you toxic neocon Zio-Nazi idiot. Putin isn’t “following a strategy” of “sending young Muslims” anywhere. It’s the perfidious U.S. government which allies with Islamic jihadis and “mujahideen” against Russia, China, Serbia, or any independent secular nation anywhere which refuses to toe the line of U.S. vassalage. They have been doing it for decades, since the Afghan War in the 1980s (and even before). It is the U.S.’ beloved “ally” and butt-buddy Saudi Arabia which is the prime funder, supporter and spreader of Islamic extremism around the world via madrassas, imams, Wahhabi networks, weapons etc. The criminal U.S. government and your beloved Izzrahell have been ALLIED WITH AL QAIDA in war against the secular nationalist Syrian government for the last 7 years, if you hadn’t noticed – you know, the same Al Qaida that carried out 9/11 on U.S. soil, killing 3000+ Americans. It is the U.S. globalists, white Europe-hating Israeli Zionists, and Islamist U.S. “NATO ally” Turkey that have been transferring/pushing millions of Muslim immivaders from the Middle East to Western Europe for the past half-decade.
Only an idiot would believe that Anglo-Zionists are “fighting Islamic terrorism”.
I don’t think it would be correct to call you “delusional”. Rather, you are a flat-out liar and a contemptible, nasty little Russophobic neocon cretin.
instead of banning Iranians for 90 days Trump needs to end the diversity Lottery.
One of the top winning countries of origin in 2016 was Iran, a country from which we’ve admitted 191,000 immigrants since 2001, most of them via the lottery and then family reunification visas.
the top Diversity winners in 2012
Applicants …. Winners
Nigeria – 2,005,900 – 6,024
Ghana – 774,554 – 5,832
Ethiopia – 785,318 – 4,902
Uzbekistan – 507,361 – 4,800
Kenya – 304,100 – 4,720
Egypt – 780,728 – 4,664
Iran – 547,755 – 4,453
Congo – 208,775 – 3,445
Sierre Leone 315,741 – 3,397
Cameroon – 203,906 – 3,374
http://www.usagreencardlottery.org/green-card-statistics.jsp
Diversity winners in 2012
Country Applicants …. Winners Average IQ
Nigeria – 2,005,900 – 6,024 84
Ghana – 774,554 – 5,832 73
Ethiopia – 785,318 – 4,902 69
Uzbekistan – 507,361 – 4,800 87 home of the recent NYC Home Depot driver!
Kenya – 304,100 – 4,720 80
Egypt – 780,728 – 4,664 81
Iran – 547,755 – 4,453 84
Congo – 208,775 – 3,445 78
Sierre Leone 315,741 – 3,397 91
Cameroon – 203,906 – 3,374 64
It is tragic how when you have not seen someone for many years, they look a bit the same, but have been ravaged by middle-age spread and general corpulence, yet tragically struggle to try to look the same by use of plastic surgery and hair dye to cover the grays and whites.
Thus men who were once handsome sex symbols and played the roles of heroes end up ready for the knacker’s yard, yet still desperately desire skin contact with the bodies of healthy young women (or boys) and are willing to make complete fools of themselves to clutch at a fleeting moment in paradise.
As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.
[The comforting words of the Book of Ecclesiastes.]
Thanks for the info, git.
It's amazing that you'll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. "Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?"Replies: @CAL2, @Samuel Skinner, @peterike, @Herzog, @silviosilver
Isn’t it amazing that there are so few (if any) Muslim attacks in Japan? What on earth could be the reason?
Suspected a few days ago that Ta-Genius Coates is a front man for a group that ghost writes his stuff.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-ta-nehisi-coates-all-is-fog/#comment-2056955
Ta-Genius’ writing style does not seem to mesh with what is known about him.
What is very suspicious is the absence of any personal background in his writing. His alleged amnesia about his personal life may be a clever ruse by a ghost writer who doesn’t want to stumble over falsifiable facts in his subject’s biography.
Much easier for a ghost writer to adopt an “antiquarian” approach of recycling material from old library books.
Brace yourself for one-eyed giants, green-eyed temptresses and a whole assortment of Homerian characters.
I had no idea Uzbekistan and central Asia were becoming hotspots for terrorism although it was somewhat predictable given the brutal crackdown on their colour revolutions. The Chechens are all crazy, the only central Asians I know are Kazakhs who live rather humdrum, blameless lives as oil and gas engineers.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @silviosilver
I agree. I think Steve was being uncharacteristically lazy and glib. Why Uzbekistan, yet Kazakhs and Kyrgyz mostly behave themselves? Ioffe’s question is reasonable even if her answers are off base. You would think people interested in HBD would know better than to throw “Muslims” into one pot. Uzbekistan does suffer from a lot of the same problems you find in Afghanistan – cousin marriage, clans, traditionally violent patriarchal societies with strong codes of behavior whose men react very badly to finding out what low status they enjoy outside their own country. Islam is basically a veneer in places like Afghanistan and Uzbekistan. You are really talking about human beings who are living at best in the 13th century suddenly being thrust into modernity. Putting them in New York or Berlin is like putting a feral boxer into a den of pugs.
It's amazing that you'll write 10,000 words autistically delving into the most subtle nuances of sportsball, but then when it comes to Islamist terrorism you mock people for giving it a nuanced analysis. "Durr Muslims + immigration = terrorism amirite?"Replies: @CAL2, @Samuel Skinner, @peterike, @Herzog, @silviosilver
Allowing Muslims to come to European countries would have still have ranked as a phenomenally stupid idea had there not been a single terrorist attack. What is so hard to understand about this?
Have you ever met any non-Muslim that actually likes them? In every case I can think of, it’s either that they think they’re merely tolerable rather than actually likable, or that they like them despite their Muslim identities, not because of them.
And if you manage to think of a few that you’ve liked because they’re Muslim, compare it to the number that you’ve disliked because they’re Muslim. Says it all, doesn’t it.
For example when I was a teenager I believed that the warring religious factions of Northern Ireland would splutter to an end by the time my own generation had reached full adulthood (say, age 40). Of course I could not have been more wrong, but I am sure I was not alone.Replies: @silviosilver
Undereducated Muslim young men are unpleasant, but I could say the same about blacks and Southern whites.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver
I had no idea Uzbekistan and central Asia were becoming hotspots for terrorism although it was somewhat predictable given the brutal crackdown on their colour revolutions. The Chechens are all crazy, the only central Asians I know are Kazakhs who live rather humdrum, blameless lives as oil and gas engineers.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @silviosilver
Sure, but it’s the sort of thing that would only interest an expert on the subject. The whole point of bringing it up in the pages of The Atlantic is so that good little shitlibs can continue to feel oh so more enlightened than everyone else. Readers will have forgotten the actual complexities she mentioned within mere minutes. They’ll simply go away as convinced as ever that no could possibly have any legitimate grounds to object to Islamic immigration and, um, something about how evil Putin is, forget what, but doesn’t matter, since that’s something everyone already knows anyway.
All good points. But it’s also worth keeping in mind that Uzbekistan is by far the most populous of the ‘stan countries. So that alone, ceteris paribus, will make for more Uzbeki terrorists. (And Kazakhstan, in second place by population, is half Russian anyway.)
Sorry, Kazakhstan is only 20% Russian. (But it used to be a lot more…)
Dammit, Ron, you’re giving us about thirty seconds to edit.
You might think it has something to do with Islam and American immigration policies and the white-hating racism that drives those policies.
Fixed it. It’s important that this is explicitly stated.
This is part of these various countries policy. Get the extremists to out themselves and then see that they get killed at the war zone. Saudi Arabia gets rid of those who might cause trouble domestically when they latch onto the fact of the ruling family’s decadence and instead pretends them to be fallen martyrs when they die elsewhere. It’s a cynical game but then who’s been funding, supplying and enabling ISIS all along, hmmmm?
Only an idiot would believe that Anglo-Zionists are "fighting Islamic terrorism".
I don't think it would be correct to call you "delusional". Rather, you are a flat-out liar and a contemptible, nasty little Russophobic neocon cretin.Replies: @Herzog
Have a beer, dude.
If 1 out of the 20 guests to your party want to kill you do you still through a party? How about if another 2 of those guests will distract you to help the 1? How about if another 3 won't say anything while the other 3 go about their business and the remaining 4 don't want to end up dead like you are about to be?Replies: @AndrewR
What about the other 10?
My parties are quite haram anyway.
Well sure. There are a lot of extreme measures we could take that would fix a lot of social problems. Muslims are far from the biggest problem we’re facing though.
Yeah, he never returns to the compromise theme. Gotta give him credit for one thing, though: his reading list starts with a solid work by a real historian, James MacPherson. I read that book cover to cover, skipping only the operational details of the battles.
I’m not familiar with his other sources though.
BTW, how did these comments end up on this thread???
He gets in and brings in 23 relatives.
So, will each of the 23 bring in 23 more?
And then so on and so on.
Not planned, committed, and admitted to committing, mind you.
Implicated.
Because the Uzbek government won’t tolerate Muslim terrorism. Look what happened in the city of Andijon in 2005…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Andijan_Unrest
LOL
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
That depends. Are they killing or being killed?
I wouldn’t say it’s a smart strategy though. Don’t forget the US supported certain groups and certain people in Afghanistan because they were fighting the Soviets. Look how that turned out in the end.
The Times seems to be working off of the same playbook:
I think part of the problem was that by the 1960s educated people in the west thought that religion was a superstition of the past that would soon die out except for ceremonial use at weddings and funerals, and that it would be wrong to discriminate against modern people based on their religious background, because we lived in a new scientific world. And this was before computers were even a big thing, cell phones were a fantasy, and the Internet was unimagined.
For example when I was a teenager I believed that the warring religious factions of Northern Ireland would splutter to an end by the time my own generation had reached full adulthood (say, age 40). Of course I could not have been more wrong, but I am sure I was not alone.
It won't show up no matter who you are, once there are already a certain number of them in one thread (my current empirical understanding of it). I noticed that copying a youtube video from a mobile device - "http://m.youtube.com ...." has not worked for me, but I'm not sure it's just because of the "m" for mobile in the URL - it seems like it.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
I think the max is 4 per thread.
Wanna buy me one?
One of the top winning countries of origin in 2016 was Iran, a country from which we’ve admitted 191,000 immigrants since 2001, most of them via the lottery and then family reunification visas.
the top Diversity winners in 2012
Applicants .... Winners
Nigeria - 2,005,900 - 6,024
Ghana - 774,554 - 5,832
Ethiopia - 785,318 - 4,902
Uzbekistan - 507,361 - 4,800
Kenya - 304,100 - 4,720
Egypt - 780,728 - 4,664
Iran - 547,755 - 4,453
Congo - 208,775 - 3,445
Sierre Leone 315,741 - 3,397
Cameroon - 203,906 - 3,374
http://www.usagreencardlottery.org/green-card-statistics.jspReplies: @Jim Don Bob
Here is the same table with the Average IQ added. An IQ of less than 75 is considered mildly retarded.
Diversity winners in 2012
Country Applicants …. Winners Average IQ
Nigeria – 2,005,900 – 6,024 84
Ghana – 774,554 – 5,832 73
Ethiopia – 785,318 – 4,902 69
Uzbekistan – 507,361 – 4,800 87 home of the recent NYC Home Depot driver!
Kenya – 304,100 – 4,720 80
Egypt – 780,728 – 4,664 81
Iran – 547,755 – 4,453 84
Congo – 208,775 – 3,445 78
Sierre Leone 315,741 – 3,397 91
Cameroon – 203,906 – 3,374 64
Yeah, whenever my life has not worked out the way I wanted, the first thing that comes to mind is to rent a Home Depot truck and run people down on the bike lane. I am sure that would make me feel better.
Please remember we are Mr. Unz’s guests, not his paying customers, and he allows his guests privileges far beyond anything you could dream of on MSM sites.
The site is supremely well run and continuously features thought-provoking articles and materials. Let’s thank Mr. Unz for his ongoing contributions.
I'm not familiar with his other sources though.Replies: @CAL2
Yeah I’ve only heard of the first one as well and there are several Grant biographies out right now.
BTW, how did these comments end up on this thread???
this is why extreme vetting will not work..many become radicalized after immigrating…also we can not vet their future offspring. Most of the Islamic terrorists in Europe were born to immigrants after they migrated to Europe
Previously it had been thought that only whites had this ability.
More proof many Americans are geographically illiterate — this guy confuses Uzbekistan with Florida.
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/925493612850372608Replies: @guest
Say you’re a Bubble Boy and spent your entire life at home, only to be rushed to an ICU shortly before your death. Olbermann would argue you were from the hospital if it served a political purpose.
You can’t generalize about “Muslims”. I have met plenty of Turks, Iranians, Moroccans and Egyptians who are very likable. Egyptians in particular, especially the educated cosmopolitan ones, are often very charming. Who doesn’t like Lebanese women? Most people also find Palestinians a lot more agreeable than Israelis.
Undereducated Muslim young men are unpleasant, but I could say the same about blacks and Southern whites.
https://twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/926302511899738112Replies: @guest
An accounting would probably show it’s fairly close.
https://twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/926302511899738112
Yeah, 'bout the same.
Undereducated Muslim young men are unpleasant, but I could say the same about blacks and Southern whites.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver
Of course I can generalize. In fact, I have, I do, and I will again. And I’m not wrong to either, for despite the fact that many of them are indeed quite likable – I’ve actually had close Lebanese and Turkish friends, unlike most of the SJW’s whose hearts bleed for them – but it doesn’t change the fact that (a) many more of them are unlikable than likable, especially when encountered in large groups, which is the way one so often does; (b) that allowing them to immigrate was a monumentally stupid idea.
For example when I was a teenager I believed that the warring religious factions of Northern Ireland would splutter to an end by the time my own generation had reached full adulthood (say, age 40). Of course I could not have been more wrong, but I am sure I was not alone.Replies: @silviosilver
The idea that religion would eventually fade away was surely a very large part of the original impetus behind overlooking existing religious differences, and encouraging Islamic immigration may even have been viewed as a way to accelerate proceedings in that regard. Yet, if that was so, then I’m struck by the fact that none of today’s “progressive” approaches to Islam betray any sign that such expectations are held. Progressives today go out of their way to accommodate Islam. They go out of their way to excuse primitive religious practices like oppressive Islamic dress, halal slaughter, sexual segregation and so on. It would not surprise me to learn that progressives believe that accommodating Islam is the best way to modernize it – such a belief would be consistent with the rest of their kooky worldview – but it would pain me that they’re so intransigently opposed to considering evidence that their approach is failing.
Opposition to Muslim immigration can be interpreted as bigotry. Therefore Muslim immigration must be encouraged, in order to defeat the bigots.
I am convinced it is no more complicated than that.
Undereducated Muslim young men are unpleasant, but I could say the same about blacks and Southern whites.Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver
Sure. With one notable difference: it just happens to be those blacks and Southern whites’ own country.
Geddit?
https://twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/926302511899738112Replies: @guest
Al Queda Targets Power Grid vs. Prankster Targets SJW-Feelz.
Yeah, ’bout the same.
The Great Satan in liberal theology is bigotry — all bigotry, but especially white Western bigotry. It is hiding under every rock and under every bed, it explains everything, and it is the only thing standing in the way of the Earthly Paradise, so rooting it out takes precedence over everything else. Any behavior that can be interpreted as bigotry, must be interpreted as bigotry.
Opposition to Muslim immigration can be interpreted as bigotry. Therefore Muslim immigration must be encouraged, in order to defeat the bigots.
I am convinced it is no more complicated than that.
When Ta-Sneezie starts recommending Kenneth Stampp and C. Vann Woodward I’ll start to pay attention.