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From The Atlantic:

How Life Became an Endless, Terrible Competition

Meritocracy prizes achievement above all else, making everyone—even the rich miserable. Maybe there’s a way out.

SEPTEMBER 2019 ISSUE
Daniel Markovits
Professor at Yale Law School and the author of The Meritocracy Trap

This is a pretty vivid article by a yet another Yale Law School professor about how daily life in America has become more stressfully competitive, what with all the Tiger Mothers and the like. But as with most articles explaining the various causes of rising inequality in America since, oh, say, 1965, a text search search for the character string “migra” finds zippo.

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    Never mind that ‘migra’ people actually buy things.

    Go to any auto dealership in a big city, and they will ecstatically describe how 30% of their new cars were bought by foreign-born people. Did immigrants make their lives ‘competitive’, or did they increase demand for what the dealership sells? The same goes for the apartment complex landlord, the mortgage officer at the bank, etc.

    Economic leftists like the readers here can’t grasp this.

  2. Danny:

    There is a way out:

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • LOL: BB753, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  3. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Thomm

    So you’re saying that immigration has been a boon to car dealers and landlords? Touché.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Mr McKenna
    , @Kronos
  4. Thomm says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    So you’re saying that immigration has been a boon to car dealers and landlords? Touché.

    A supply increase of labor in one profession leads to a demand increase in other industries from what the new workers may buy.

    Outsourcing is another matter. THAT actually does depress wages, since the competing workers are elsewhere.

    But the blind, ignorant claim that ‘immigration depresses wages’ is economically illiterate and very left-wing. That is only true in specific cases (the lowest level of the skill ladder, or specific situations where wages are not at market rates due to a law like H1B visas, etc).

    Plus, if wages are being depressed, than become an entrepreneur on the hiring side of the equation and pocket the difference. It is the American way (which is never the WN leftist way).

  5. The word “meritocracy” was invented as satire in Michael Young’s novel, The Rise of the Meritocracy. He was critical of the whole concept and felt that a class-based society was best. The existence of social classes does tend to limit competition to individuals within the classes, but I don’t think Daniel Markovits would like that solution. As another commentator has noted, Jews probably dislike the increased competition from the clannish Indians and Chinese.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  6. Twinkie says:

    all the Tiger Mothers

    Wow, what is that, maybe 2% of all women in America singlehandedly made life more stressful for the whole country? Those are some mighty powerful women.

  7. I would say that this is less immigration related than globalization and IT related.

    50 years ago, you needed to compete with a labor pool that had a radius of, what, 50 miles? So local elites could have a relatively prosperous, but still relatively balanced life. And middle class people, at least in industrialized countries, were protected from global labor competition.

    Now, competition is global, whether there is immigration or not. My employer is getting rid of hundreds of people, across the globe, and replacing them with “shared services” employees in SE Asia that do the same work for a fraction of the cost. This is a booming industry in places like Manila and Kuala Lumpur. No one needs to immigrate. All you need is a sufficient telecommunications and computing network. This is the future for middle class people in rich countries.

    Elites these days can certainly have a more lucrative life than in the past, but it requires competition against the people with the top intellects and work ethic across the world. You have to race to stay ahead, and if you don’t, you are culled and face the fate I described in the above paragraph.

    It’s a pretty ruthless world, and I’m not sure how the genie can be put back in the bottle. Trump’s half hearted attempts to restore some domestic control over US trade and economic policy has the world teetering on the edge of recession. I suspect any real attempt to protect people in First World countries from global competition would have some pretty serious economic consequences. The cure might be worse than the disease.

  8. @Thomm

    But the blind, ignorant claim that ‘immigration depresses wages’ is economically illiterate and very left-wing.

    Right, because increasing supply never reduces prices, except when it does, and that only happens because “That is only true in specific cases” – take a couple of more bong hits and collect your payment from the Koch Brothers. You are the one with a “blind, ignorant claim.”

  9. Peterike says:
    @Thomm

    “But the blind, ignorant claim that ‘immigration depresses wages’ is economically illiterate and very left-wing.”

    Lol! Another Desi con artist, but a hapless, bumbling one. Keep trying boy. I hear Raj Chetty may need someone to sweep up and empty the waste paper baskets.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  10. This article is just plain weird. The guy starts out by defining “meritocracy” in the narrowest sense of getting into an elite college. Then he whines for a long time about how these meritocrats choose to work really hard because they are competitive.

    So, okay, if you don’t like working that hard, then don’t. Problem solved.

    But that would be too obvious. Instead he decides that the only way to save the poor meritocrats from working too hard is to restructure our entire society and economy to shift more of the burden to the merely mediocre.

    Building a society in which a good education and good jobs are available to a broader swath of people—so that reaching the very highest rungs of the ladder is simply less important—is the only way to ease the strains that now drive the elite to cling to their status.

    WTF? This worldview may be nuts but I’ll give him credit, at least it’s different.

    Personally, I think mommy Markovitz put a little too much pressure on her son. Now he’s having a midlife crisis and wishes he’d been a welder.

  11. Peterike says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    “Trump’s half hearted attempts to restore some domestic control over US trade and economic policy has the world teetering on the edge of recession.”

    I don’t care about the world. I care about America.

    So NJ Commuter? Are you another Desi invader?

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  12. J.Ross says:

    I question competition and especially meritocracy (if meritocratic it be) being the problem. The issue is that there’s no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. If you work your tail off and pile money, what then? Will you get married, so you can be defamed and crucified by a divorce court? Will you buy land property, so the government can attack you?

    • Agree: L Woods
    • Replies: @L Woods
    , @L Woods
  13. @Thomm

    Take the poo to the loo.

    • Disagree: Kyle
  14. Aft says:
    @Thomm

    There is more economic inequality when your population is increasingly made up of immigrants from a lower IQ distribution.

    Migra people who use public services, including the safety net, while on average not earning as much, come at a cost.

    What did anyone complain that immigration hurts demand for low end junk or irresponsible mortgage financing?

  15. J.Ross says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Our problem is precisely lack of meritocracy. Plutocratic kritarch Bloomberg serves as model, though there are plenty of others: dumb ideas can live forever with billionaire support. There’s a political equivalent where urban machine voters replace billionaire support but it’s the same problem. A more meritocratic system would fault IT depending on huge gaggles of bad coders from the subcontinent.

    • Agree: Counterinsurgency
  16. Richard S says:

    Lol it’s a problem because now the rapidly accelerating collapse of US society is impacting on its expensively educated bourgeoisie, and not just America’s devastated blue-collar industrial proletariat, which has been socially eradicated as a class over the last generation.

  17. @Thomm

    Importing H1Bs depresses the wages for IT workers.

  18. Rosie says:

    It looks like our betters may be starting to feel the pinch a bit, n’est-ce pas?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  19. Aft says:
    @Twinkie

    All I heard was whining that the children of the rich have it so much worse psychologically and then wait they also have it so much better economically and that’s unfair.

    Solution: let in more dumb kids and throw them into intense academic and professional competitions. That must definitely somehow reduce everyone’s anxiety. Good luck with that.

    His book must just be 300 pages of assorted complaining and ridiculous “we should” calls for a command and control communist economy that promises we can all work less, produce more and be oh so happy.

  20. MBlanc46 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Dang, Mike, just used my Agree for the hour, so I’ll have to type Yes!

  21. J.Ross says:

    The key to understanding this article is actually that Pepe article, that is, remember that this is essentially a religious cult with their own word definitions.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  22. Elli says:
    @Thomm

    We can keep building cars, but the roads lag behind.

    We can keep building apartments and houses but we can’t make more land.

    Maybe life is better when middle class and working class people can afford the city and inner suburbs, and walk to work or have a short drive, not forty miles and traffic jams.

    Maybe life is better when a week at the shore is affordable and a cottage is enough, and it’s not all Mcmansions-by-the-Sea.

    Endless growth eventually ends in Beijing or Mumbai or Lagos. Not what I want for my posterity.

    Maybe life is actually better for working schmoes with room to breathe and open space near than it is for the landlord class in your global cities.

  23. Aft says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Everyone just wants to restructure society to make themselves better off.

    If Danny could only prevent his more economically successful Ivy League classmates from making millions in finance or corporate law by outlawing all that stuff, and then vastly increase the demand for education that he’s in the business of providing, well then YAY DANNY WINS. Suck it bankers.

    Oh and make sure life is really easy on his kids whose intelligence reverts a bit below his own; definitely get rid of meritocracy so the super smart from the next generation can’t outclimb his.

    Good way to design policy Danny.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. Anon7 says:

    This is as fine a cart before the horse, tail wags the dog article as I have ever seen. Thank god that Western Civilization’s endless nightmare of competitive effort bringing out the best in men is finally over.

    Men, rejoice! Your labors have ended. It is regrettable that 15 centuries of evolution mean that you are now uneasy about being asked (well, told, really) to step aside. The Fall of the Iron Curtain is as nothing compared to this, the End of History.

    Here’s a good example of a useless competition between men that is now over. The just-awarded 2019 Hugo awards for science fiction were won entirely by women this year,

    • Replies: @An Aussie
  25. Ibound1 says:

    Looks like he realizes his own kids might not get into Yale, what with all these Chinese applying. Stop the whole crazy rat race right this minute! Yale is for alumni and faculty children and a Gentleman’s C. All those nasty Chinese can go to City College.

    • Agree: Cortes
  26. @Thomm

    But the blind, ignorant claim that ‘immigration depresses wages’ is economically illiterate and very left-wing.

    I think you’re sorta right, but not 100%. For one thing, some of the additional consumer demand created by immigrants increases the returns to local capital (the landlord’s rent), or foreign labor (e.g., buying an imported Japanese car), rather than local labor.

    So landlords get higher rents and professionals get their grass cut a little cheaper. But local laborers probably lose out twice: First, by increased competition for their services; and second by higher rents and prices.

    Of course a whole separate issue is the social costs for schools, roads, prisons, welfare, etc., etc.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
  27. BB753 says:

    “Meritocracy prizes achievement above all else, making everyone—even the rich miserable.”

    So the rich are beginning to feel miserable too? Good. Let them feel the heat too!
    And I think when Danny boy says “Meritocracy”, he really means globalism and open borders.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  28. That is only true in specific cases (the lowest level of the skill ladder, or specific situations where wages are not at market rates due to a law like H1B visas, etc).

    Aren’t the majority of immigrants (when you include illegals) low-skilled? And don’t low-skilled folks put the vast majority of their money back into the low-skilled economy (i.e. Taco Bell and Walmart)?

    So they give us more demand for the cheaper McDoubles that they make. Great.

  29. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Gloriously race-ist USA used to be about Intra-Meritocracy. Meritocracy for white people in a mostly white nation. In such an order, winners and losers were both white and felt a connection with one another. So, even if you yourself didn’t win, someone like you won, and it was expected of the winners to feel as one with the rest of the people. Racialesse Oblige.

    But US has moved into Inter-Meritocracy(meritocratic competition with the whole world), and this means whites have to compete with Invite-the-World as mere individuals. So, if some whites win, they win merely as individuals and feel no connection with white losers. If anything, white winners are supposed to feel closer to POC winners, and vice versa.
    In the past, even white losers could at least take comfort in knowing that the winners were of their own kind and presumably acted in the good of the whole nation. Now, white masses(the losers) can’t expect any kind of concern for them from the white elites, let alone POC elites. Also, white elites in academia have been taught that it is ‘racist’ and evil for them to care about fellow whites who didn’t win. Of course, Jewish winners are praised for caring for loser Jews and even Jews in Israel.

    So, the problem isn’t meritocracy per se but what kind of meritocracy. In IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE, George Bailey is a bright kid and much is expected of him, but he feels oneness with his community and the white race(if only implicitly). Nowadays, the George Baileys of the world will rub shoulders with winner Jews, hindus, yellows, and blacks, and snub his nose at white ‘losers’ who are demeaned as ‘deplorables’. And his faith will be globo-homo and Magic Negro than anything to do with whiteness.

    Israel is competitive, but I’ll bet all Jews, even losers, feel a sense of brotherhood with the winners and vice versa. Intra-Meritocracy for the Jews. But ever since whites moved into horribly anti-racist Inter-Meritocracy, they’ve been winning only as individuals(the lucky ones) while losing out as a race and people.

    Likewise, liberalism and conservatism were both great assets to the US when white liberals felt a connection with white conservatives. They were in ideological conflict but also in counter-balance of each other. All said and done, most white libs and most white cons were, above all, pro-white more than anything. Liberals pushed forward with new ideas, and conservatives offered balance and caution. White Liberalism and white conservatism were in partnership.

    But Jewish Power cut this crucial bond between white liberalism and white conservatism, which essentially ended in 1965 with the immigration act. Henceforth, white liberalism increasingly sided with POC against white interests. Instead of serving as the other arm of white power, it became an arm against whites. Without the anchoring and balancing force of white conservatism, white liberalism got sillier and stupider, more decadent and degenerate and delusional.
    As for white conservatism, it grew decrepit without connection to the curious & creative spark of white liberalism. Severed from white liberalism, white conservatism sunk into mediocrity.

    Also, as conservatism was always relatively weak in the world of ideas, it had to look elsewhere for new ideas once white liberalism eloped with POC. As white liberalism no longer supplied fresh ideas for white conservatives(who were incapable of formulating fresh ideas of their own for the most part), the latter came to lean on wily Neocons who offered them SUPPORT ISRAEL as the highest value.
    Cut off from white conservatism, white liberalism became all about serving Jews and Diversity. White liberalism once used to be mainly about white interests but no longer as its ties to conservatism were severed. In turn, cut off from white liberalism, white conservatism sought new energy and lifeblood from Neocons and Zionism. So, we have the spectacle today of Democratic whites and Republican whites chanting about Israel, Israel, and Israel, and Jews, Jews, Jews.

    Those were the great days when both white conservatism and white liberalism were both mainly about pro-white politics. When whiteness was served by conservatism and liberalism, it had the best of both worlds. Earth and Fire.
    But once the white race lost its liberal wing to Jews and POC, the conservatives(lacking in curiosity and creativity) had a difficult time carrying the load for the white race. Confused and lost, it turned to Neocon Jews who rigged American Conservatism about serving the Jews.

    Now, why are Jews so powerful? Because the Jewish community is served well by both Jewish Liberalism and Jewish Conservatism that are agreed that identity trumps ideology. Thus, both liberalism and conservatism must be made to serve the Jews. Among the Jews, liberalism and conservatism are connected together as it once had been among whites.

  30. @Thomm

    Grasp this, Thomm: An endless immigration Ponzi scheme is not a good way to run an economy. Your favorite system results in overpopulating the country and making it a beehive shithole like the places your infinite line of customers come from.

    Ample land and resources plus highly-valued labor is the way to go. It’s why America has been a great place to live until approximately now.

  31. Thomm says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    It depends on how high in the income scale the newcomer is. The higher, the more net demand is created and the higher the multiplier effect (not to mention more taxes under progressive taxation).

    First, by increased competition for their services; and second by higher rents and prices.

    Eventually, more housing is created (which itself requires construction labor). Plus, retail products are not locally sourced in US retail anyway.

    The entry of women into the labor market was a far greater distortion along these lines, if one is to believe that more laborers lowers wages period.

  32. @Thomm

    I wonder what percentage of those new car loans are non-performing after about 3 months

  33. Daniel H says:
    @Thomm

    Plus, if wages are being depressed, than become an entrepreneur on the hiring side of the equation and pocket the difference. It is the American way (which is never the WN leftist way).

    Here we go again, Libertarian-tard alert. Yeah, we can all be entrepreneurs. It’s just so damn easy, why hasn’t anybody thought of that before.

    Mass immigration doesn’t depress wages? Tell that to chicken plant workers in Alabama, earning $10.00 per hour where absent immigration the factory owners couldn’t get an American to walk through the door for less than $20.00 per hour. But there’s the rub, why should capital have to pay $20.00 an hour when cheap labor can be imported to do the job for $10.00 (or maybe even $5.00).

    Mass immigration is economic warfare against the American wage earner. Period.

    Furthermore, I think that nationalist, economic leftists are pretty cool. If the right one comes along he will conquer this country.

  34. Daniel H says:
    @Thomm

    Economic leftists like the readers here can’t grasp this.

    You live up to your name. You are a Tom for the cheap labor lobby. Good work, Tom.

  35. @Anonymous

    Holy [email protected]: a /pol/ effortpost in the wild.

    This post is a textbook case of why they should never have shut down 8chan. The anons are loose and running wild on the Internets.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  36. Thomm says:
    @Peterike

    Lol! No one with an IQ above 70 thinks I am a South Asian. It is just a pain-avoidance mechanism that WNs like you use to avoid facing the fact that successful white people keep you out of respectable society.

    I remind you of what Peterike’s Law is :

    “White Nationalism is nothing more than the bottom decile of white men getting angry that the bottom decile of white women are now free to avoid them”.

    Stick to your own law.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Thomm says:
    @caffeine withdrawals

    Aren’t the majority of immigrants (when you include illegals) low-skilled?

    Yes. Which is why that should be blocked.

    But countries with skill-based systems have not seen wages fall. Quite the opposite in fact.

    • Replies: @Anon
  38. Bleuteaux says:
    @Thomm

    My one consolation is lying back and thinking of all the Truths, Thomms, Corvinuses, Lihn Dimms, and Yan Shens brawling in a potholed street over who gets to rent the last functioning public use bicycle so they can get to the local warehouse and steal as much expired food as possible before it’s gone.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/atlantic-to-trump-voters-by-allegedly-murdering-tibbetts-rivera-did-not-merely-violate-the-law-he-did-something-more-subversive-he-violated-americas-traditional-racial-and-sexual-norms/#comment-2478817

  39. @Anonymous

    As for white conservatism, it grew decrepit without connection to the curious & creative spark of white liberalism. Severed from white liberalism, white conservatism sunk into mediocrity.

    Excellent point. Sorta reminds me of this:

    And so but then in the Spartanburg Q&A, after two China questions and one on taxing Internet commerce, a totally demographically average thirty-something middle-class soccer mom in rust- colored slacks and big round glasses gets picked and stands up and somebody brings her the mike. It turns out her name is Donna Duren, of right here in Spartanburg SC, and she says she has a 14- year-old son named Chris, in whom Mr. and Mrs. Duren have been trying to inculcate family values and respect for authority and a non-cynical idealism about America and its duly elected leaders. They want him to find heroes he can believe in, she says.

    It’s impossible to know what McCain’s face is doing during this story because the monitors are taking CNN’s feed, and Randy of CNN’s lens is staying hard and steady on Donna Duren, who appears so iconically prototypical and so thoroughly exudes the special quiet dignity of an average American who knows she’s average and just wants a decent, non-cynical life for herself and her family that she can say things like “family values” and “hero” without anybody rolling their eyes.

    Wallace was a brilliant writer.
    https://maxuli70.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/dfw_2000-04-13_the-weasel-twelve-monkeys-and-the-shrub.pdf

  40. @Ibound1

    City College, hell. The Chinese can go to Chinese colleges in their Chinese country that was made just for them.

  41. Anon7 says:

    This article is truly a parade of Leftist insanity:

    A parallel policy agenda must reform work, by favoring goods and services produced by workers who do not have elaborate training or fancy degrees. For example, the health-care system should emphasize public health, preventive care, and other measures that can be overseen primarily by nurse practitioners, rather than high-tech treatments that require specialist doctors.

    This guy is really a genius. This strategy of using lower cost nursing care, or more recently physician’s assistants, when rational, has been employed to the utmost since at least the 1980’s as far as I know. And what would a health care system look like that was run by nurses with practically no expensive doctors?

    I was thinking of health care in Sudan:

    Between 2009–2010 there were only 189 doctors across eight states with one doctor for every 65,574 people. In 2004, there were only three surgeons serving southern Sudan, with three proper hospitals, and in some areas there was just one doctor for every 500,000 people.

    But just think of the savings! Not to mention the freedom from debilitating meritocratic competition.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  42. @Dave Pinsen

    Supply and Demand only work in specific instances, essentially when and where we want them to, and at no other time or place. They most definitely do not work in any discussion relating to migration.

    But the blind, ignorant claim that ‘immigration depresses wages’ is economically illiterate and very left-wing.

    You see, Sailerites? You’re all really a bunch of illiterate communists.
    Hope this clarifies things for you all.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  43. @NJ Transit Commuter

    Trump’s half hearted attempts to restore some domestic control over US trade and economic policy has the world teetering on the edge of recession.

    While I’m no great fan of Donald Trump, the business cycle is arguably overdue for a correction, and it won’t necessarily be because of anything the president did or did not do. Frankly, since I’ve been predicting that TPTB will do their best to engineer a reversal by mid-2020, if one doesn’t happen I’ll have to admit that they’re not quite as powerful as I thought.

  44. I’d like propose a law like Sailer’s law. Whenever college professors write about secondary education they invariable miss what’s really going on.

    Here’s two things that Markovitz missed.

    Colleges are becoming less meritocratic overall. To be precise, the ‘meritocratic slice’ of admissions is getting smaller, although competition within that slice is getting fiercer. As NAMs become a greater proportion of the US population, ‘diversity’ admissions have to rise. Elite colleges need or think they need ever larger endowments to maintain their position. This inevitably leads to more admissions based not on merit but the certainty or likelihood of getting donations. Diversity being non-meritocratic can not be talked about. Donations based admissions are the subject of endless hand wringing but nothing seems to slow their expansion.

    There’s a third non-meritocratic slice and I think it’s the fastest growing. For large number of potential students, the admissions game has become an exercise in competitive virtue signalling. You get in by shouting your wokeness in the admission essays and activities.

    I think the result of this is that only about 30% of students admitted to the Ivy League get in primarily because of grades and SATs. Within this slice, competition is brutal.

    Second colleges have become clown factories. They collapsed intellectually and ethically in the 90s and were dealing with consequences now. The main consequence is what I call elite erosion. The key fact of the new millennium is that our supposed meritocratic elites just can’t cut it anymore. The CIA, FBI, Wall Street, Corporate mangers, ‘journalists’, scientists — its been one disaster after another in the past 20 years. Is there any elite that you believe can be relied on anymore?

    Most college graduates are essential on a pre-grifter career training track. They are vomited with no knowledge, no critical skills. All they can is conduct cons on the general public.

    We need to destroy the current college system.

  45. @NJ Transit Commuter

    The guys from Manila or Kuala Lumpur can do the odd jobs, but they still can’t do any large scale projects.

    Trump’s half hearted attempts to restore some domestic control over US trade and economic policy

    Half hearted is right. If he were serious he would’ve cancelled all the work visas by now, and the US economy would be booming with everyone back to work. Instead he increased the low skilled H2B visa and still hasn’t done anything to the H1b, L1, H4, OPT etc. A total piece of shit lying scum. His trade war with China is just a gong show for entertainment. Nothing has changed since he took office, except he’s probably released more illegal immigrants into the country than Obama.

  46. @BB753

    I think when Danny boy says “Meritocracy”, he really means globalism and open borders.

    Bingo. Meritocracy is one of those magic words which means whatever we want it to mean. Recite this in your best, philosophical tone of voice: “What is merit, after all, but any measure by which your tribe profits and white people suffer?”

    • Agree: BB753
  47. Mr. Anon says:

    How Life Became an Endless, Terrible Competition

    Meritocracy prizes achievement above all else, making everyone—even the rich miserable. Maybe there’s a way out.

    SEPTEMBER 2019 ISSUE
    Daniel Markovits

    This whole meritocracy thing was supposed to stop when WE got to the top!

  48. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Your favorite system results in overpopulating the country and making it a beehive shithole like the places your infinite line of customers come from.

    Or, indeed the beehive shithole that Thomm comes from.

    He won’t grasp anything. He’s either too stupid, too dishonest, or too both.

  49. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ibound1

    Looks like he realizes his own kids might not get into Yale, what with all these Chinese applying. Stop the whole crazy rat race right this minute! Yale is for alumni and faculty children and a Gentleman’s C. All those nasty Chinese can go to City College.

    And those Chinese………..so pushy! And clannish. But they are good with money – you have to give them that. But they just don’t belong.

    Probably shouldn’t let ’em in our golf clubs either.

    • LOL: Ibound1
  50. @Hypnotoad666

    Thank you, so I don’t have to respond to him. What an absolutely asinine comment (not surprised) — rents and mortgages are by far the largest chunk of post-tax income for the middle and working classes, at least in the high immigration areas of the West Coast, where there is fierce competition for living space. The only people who win in this scenario are immigrants fleeing from disfunctional cultures, and native property owners who owned their property before the immigration wave. Losers: other Americans moving in, or the local young trying to build families. And no personal dislike of immigrants is necessary to point out that they commonly lower the standard of living for most natives past a certain saturation point — we’re well past that — it’s just a fact. I think because this is becoming so hard to hide nowadays the ‘moral’ aspect of immigration is becoming the prime public rationale.

  51. tyrone says:
    @Thomm

    Wow, did Jeb Bush speak at your chamber of commerce meeting?…….fascinating

  52. Another liberal crying crocodile tears over privilege and inequality.

    Elite colleges have done more harm to America than any other institution. It is from these elite colleges, primarily the Ivy League, that we get all the elite journalists, politicians, lawyers, judges, MBAs and academics who are collectively running this country to the ground. The 16 years of Bushobama, both Harvard grads, have collectively brought this country to its knees, and now Trump is putting the nail in the coffin by hiring more of this crowd, Pompeo, Kushner, Bolton, Mnuchin…all Ivy League grads.

    America is messed up today not because of meritocracy, but because of the death of it. The Diversity Industrial Complex is making sure that all the affirmative action we’ve been seeing in college admission and government employment now also extends to private employment. The people who get to the top these days are the rich and well connected or of the right demo who got into the right college in the first place.

    To fix America, we need to bring back real meritocracy. Start by making the Ivy League and Stanford 100% black. Anything less is just more hypocrisy from the left.

  53. That is only true in specific cases (the lowest level of the skill ladder, or specific situations where wages are not at market rates due to a law like H1B visas, etc).

    Which is, conservatively speaking, only twenty-five percent plus of all available jobs:

    Trolling is hard, and math is even harder.

  54. Kronos says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Don’t forget Baby Boomer 401ks and other retirement accounts. They placed a decisive role in destroying private sector unions and ultimately keeping wages stagnant and 1974 levels. This led to rising stock prices and higher capital gains.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  55. Bill P says:

    The problem with this meritocracy thing lies in how they are defining “merit.”

    I think the national merit scholarship has come to define the word, which used to mean much more than mere IQ.

    Merit used to be tied to martial and Christian values — especially the latter. You wouldn’t say, back in the old days, that some clever financier who figured out how to squeeze more money out of borrowers was a man of merit. Nor would you say it of some guy who designed an app that transfixed children and made them pester their parents to buy things. We had folk tales that explicitly warned us about these people. Yet we, and this professor who should really know better, now let these people carry on calling themselves part of a “meritocracy” when they’re really just gussied up hustlers and con artists. Where’s their honor, their patriotism, their charity, courage, and humility? What merit?!

    Now there’s no doubt that a lot of people in this class are there due to merit, e.g. they invented something that made the world a better place, but they aren’t a majority, and it wasn’t the good deed but rather the wealth from the patent that put them there, so again it’s the wrong word.

    But maybe this is what we’ve come to. Maybe we Americans have so thoroughly lost our values that we believe that having a sharp wit entitles people to rip off their compatriots because this new understanding of merit, as conferred by our academic priestly caste, constitutes a new form of grace.

    But I don’t buy it, and it looks like I’m far from alone in that sentiment.

  56. @Thomm

    Never mind that ‘migra’ people actually buy things.

    Go to any auto dealership in a big city, and they will ecstatically describe how 30% of their new cars were bought by foreign-born people. Did immigrants make their lives ‘competitive’, or did they increase demand for what the dealership sells? The same goes for the apartment complex landlord, the mortgage officer at the bank, etc.

    Economic leftists like the readers here can’t grasp this.

    So more people means a bigger economy! Ergo everyone’s better off.

    Damn Thomm, i’d never thought of it that way before. That must be why people keep leaving India, China, Mexico and coming to the US–not enough people back home for a good economy.

    • Agree: Bigdicknick
  57. black sea says:

    If publishing were a meritocracy, his article never would have seen the light of day.

  58. @Hypnotoad666

    so that reaching the very highest rungs of the ladder is simply less important

    Of course what he really means is “less attainable” rather than “less important”. He’s just testing the waters to find the best way to sell pulling up the ladder behind him as a move solely intended to “help everyone else”.

  59. The GI Bill was the centerpiece of the New Deal apparently, who knew? That’s the program that leveled the playing field in the US of A. Funny how no one talked about it during the Depression.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  60. An Aussie says:
    @Anon7

    The just-awarded 2019 Hugo awards for science fiction were won entirely by women this year,

    Time to pull out that feminine sounding nom de plume.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon7
  61. … a text search search for the character string “migra” finds zippo.

    But if you search for it on YouTube, you get this, oddly enough ….

  62. The problem is that immigration patriots have not adequately played up the immigrant-economy as the new slave-economy. Hey, don’t the descendants of those African immigrants, who came to do the work lazy white europeans would not do, from the 17th and 18th centuries have it so much better for their ancestors efforts, or some shizzle like that that the 1619 Project wants to enlighten us with?

  63. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “China can grow above 7% for several more decades” turned out to be a lie.

  64. @Unladen Swallow

    Waiting to learn the 1924 Immigration Act caused the Great Depression, myself.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  65. @Thomm

    That’s the “Lump of labour fallacy” Fallacy.

    You’ll have noticed how Burkina Faso and Ethiopia are such powerhouses since their population quadrupled, while China has been in stagnation for 25 years.

    You troll.

  66. @NJ Transit Commuter

    “No one needs to immigrate. All you need is a sufficient telecommunications and computing network. This is the future for middle class people in rich countries.”

    Theoretically it’s true (a child funded six months abroad by rising at five each morning to teach middle-class Chinese kids English online for three hours a day, which paid his rent and left him spending/living money).

    But in practice most immigrants aren’t people who can do that sort of thing, so they are physically here, and degrading both living standards and the quality of life for everyone except the super rich.

  67. Escher says:

    The upcoming automation wave (amplified by high speed 5G connectivity) is going to make most of us unemployed, according to several thoughtful researchers in the field.

  68. @Twinkie

    I thought you folks were good at math. 2%. A tad low.

    To respond to your invasion defense: how much piss in a punch bowl does it take to ruin the punch?

    BTW, I like your posts better when you stick to your Walter Mitty / Jason Bourne subject matters.

    There is not one thing I can think of that has been improved in this country for Real Americans as a whole by the invasion and transformation that has happened in the FUSA since 1965. Not ONE thing.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jack D
  69. @Elli

    This a billion times over.

    Knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing is a horrible way to run your own life or a country.

    • Agree: JMcG
  70. Gordo says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Jews probably dislike the increased competition from the clannish Indians and Chinese.

    Their quota policy in the Ivy League universities is a very effective way of suppressing East Asian competition.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  71. neir says:

    nobody says you have to compete, competition is a choice. You can get on welfare if you dont want to compete.

  72. It’s an article about the long hours of an US lawyer. AFAIK, a foreign lawyer moving to US can only suck it. All jobs above median wage are beyond his reach, unless he goes to an US law school. It’s the same everywhere, even in Romania: lawyers are fundamental to law making, and so they make access to their jobs more difficult than mos other fields.

    So why blame “immigration” in this case? I guess that’s what you do when all you have is a hammer.

  73. SFG says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yeah, I agree, you can’t blame EVERYTHING bad on immigration. This particular problem’s more about elite overproduction and capture of the political system by rich people, as well as global competition as you say.

  74. Moses says:
    @Twinkie

    I dunno. 2% nationally maybe, but they tend to clump together.

    A buddy of mine lives in an upscale NJ town with great public schools. He and his wife complained that their school has been “invaded” by East and South Asian “grinder” kids who care only for academics and nothing for sports, drama or social activities. It’s changing the culture of the school for the worse.

    Race matters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  75. @Thomm

    In Japan with its restrictive immigration policies, rural towns are being abandoned due to lack of population and being returned to nature. This is an environmentalist’s wet dream. The government is giving away homes in these areas in an effort to bring people back. The large cities such as Tokyo are becoming more affordable to live in rather than less like New York and Los Angeles. Japan has one of the highest rates of forestation of any modernized country. This what we could be enjoying if we had the same immigration policies.

    I think a lot of a financial types cannot see the difference between wealth and quality of life.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  76. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    yea ! The waltons sell more shit paper.

    Meanwhile the environment, roads and traffic, schools, hospitals, medicare and federal budgets, are all destroyed by the disastrous policy of endless # mass immigration.

    Were all winners !

  77. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Tl;dr: The Joos done it.

  78. @Anonymous

    this means whites have to compete with Invite-the-World as mere individuals

    Ever hear of “affirmative action” laws?

    Counterinsurgency

  79. I can’t tell if Steve is being disingenuous or has developed tunnel vision. Immigration has nothing to do with the situation Markovitz is describing. People who attend Ivy Leagues are not competing for spots with immigrants, at least not the Hispanic or Muslim immigrants that get most people riled up.

    Not only did immigration not cause our current inequality, the reverse is probably the case. A lot of our immigration problems stem from our commitment to “meritocracy.” Meritocracy developed as an ideology to help Jews and Irish Catholics crack the WASP old boys network. But once you’ve committed to the idea that hard work, talent and results are the only criteria that can be used to judge people, why would citizenship matter? This is the way our “meritocratic” elites really think. They also see no real difference between living in New York, London or Tokyo and can’t understand people who find those differences important.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  80. Jack D says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Not only do you have to compete against immigrants but you have to compete against outsourcing in services and imports in goods (those same immigrants but they get to stay home in Bangalore or Juarez and take your job away anyway) and against automation (AI robot takes your job). It’s a three headed dragon and so killing the immigration dragon is not going to solve the problem (as so many here seem to think). Corporate American will just fight on with the other two. The technology just keeps getting better so the game is loaded in their favor.

    Arguably, the immigrant who is here is at least going to spend most of his money here, whereas when Amazon ships your job off to the call center in Manila the US economy is never going to see a cent of it (and AI robots don’t go shopping at all). So which is worse?

    • Replies: @JMcG
  81. @Peterike

    Peterike,

    When Walmart can’t import cheap Chinese crap, and our farmers can’t export, the people will turn on Trump in a heartbeat. The reality is that we are addicted as a nation to globalism and it is going to be a very painful withdrawal.

  82. Jack D says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    People who attend Ivy Leagues are not competing for spots with immigrants

    You have got to be kidding me. You must never have seen an Ivy campus. Have you never heard of Asians? The only reason the Ivies are not 50% Asian rather than 25% as they are already is that the Ivies actively discriminate against them. At the upper reaches of the SATs, Asian top scorers outnumber whites and virtually all of them are either immigrants or the children of immigrants.

    Asian competition (along with the # of slots set aside for blacks and Latinos) has been a real game changer for whites trying to get in. Whites have had to up their game and test prep like Asians. If Asians disappeared tomorrow, it would be much, much easier to get in.

  83. peterike says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The reality is that we are addicted as a nation to globalism and it is going to be a very painful withdrawal.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  84. L Woods says:
    @J.Ross

    The UR is filled with oldline conservatives who still haven’t quite grocked the fundamental, negative sum futility and illegitimacy of the game itself. You know what you call a trapped rat who “wins” the rat race? A trapped rat.

  85. @Jack D

    Yes. So much about the blog host being either desigenious or having developed a tunnel vision.

  86. I don’t see immigration as being directly relevant to the story that Daniel Markovits is telling. If there’s a problem with higher ed, that should be discussed and addressed, without tying in other issues like immigration. And, sure immigration, effects everything, but the linked article was right to stay focused on a central issue.

    I’d also disagree with the linked article that everyone is particularly miserable, lots of people have reasonably happy lives, but I absolutely support improvements.

  87. @Twinkie

    They are closer to 20% of the mothers in New Jersey , outside of the Black areas, where most of the upper class whites live

  88. Jack D says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Who said anything about withdrawal? It’s never going to be 1959 again. They are not going to cut the cables to the call centers and blockade the ports. If we can’t bring cheap crap from China we will bring it from Vietnam or Mexico. It’s hard to get Africans to work in an efficient way but eventually the Chinese will beat them into shape. The last thing on earth multinationals are ever going to do is hire unionized whites for $38/hr to assemble toasters again. That kind of work is never coming back. If it ever does, it’s going to be in a factory with 5 humans and 500 robots.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @njguy73
  89. @Thomm

    How much less traffic would there be in places like NYC if every immigrant operated vehicle suddenly disappeared? How much could we save on schools if students had a more narrow distribution of ability levels and all spoke the same language?

    Sorry, but we don’t need a million more taxi drivers, low skill construction workers or bus boys. The people who do those jobs have hard enough lives as it is they don’t need additional competitors and I am tired of working to subsidize them.

    • Replies: @bomag
  90. @Thomm

    I was in a building trade until the 90’s, when immigrants who arrived from Easter Europe after the fall of Communism caused the pay rate for this trade go go way down below the going union rate. They were happy as they shared apartments with 8 of their buddies from the homeland. I couldn’t make it on such a small salary so I went back to school for computer programming and entered the computer programming workforce just in time for many of those jobs to be taken by H1B visa holders and other immigrants. I am happy that they can now buy cars. I wish I could!

  91. @Thomm

    I was in a building trade until the 90’s, when immigrants who arrived from Eastern Europe after the fall of Communism, caused the pay rate for this trade go way down below the going union rate. They were happy as they shared apartments with 8 of their buddies from the homeland. I couldn’t make it on such a small salary so I went back to school for computer programming and entered the computer programming workforce just in time for many of those jobs to be taken by H1B visa holders and other immigrants. I am happy that they can now buy cars. I wish I could!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  92. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Thomm

    “Go to any auto dealership in a big city, and they will ecstatically …”

    When Stalin was presented with the design of a new car, to be called “Motherland,” he asked with a smile: “For how much are we going to sell our Motherland?”

    The car was immediately renamed.

  93. techanon says:

    > How Life Became an Endless, Terrible Competition

    The fact that the author thinks it’s surprising that life is competitive is reflective of how arrogant and entitled our aristrocracy is. Nature is red in tooth and claw, and competition is one of the only constants in the universe

  94. @Peter Akuleyev

    Most farm products are commodities, Peter. If the Chinese don’t buy them, the price will go down and they will be more in demand by others around the world, who used to get them elsewhere. Like with oil, you really can’t stop the flow without bombing and/or blockading. The Chinese are not about to do that.

    And, what Jack D. said about the cheap China-made crap. I could do without most of it, and I’d love to have things that could last and be fixed again.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  95. @Mike Zwick

    Indeed, your timing is not impeccable, Mike. The turn of the century +/- 5 years was probably the best time to be in computer programming (at least, in the modern era).

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
  96. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    Immigration is worse because AI won’t have children who vote against the interests of the native working class, nor will the call center worker in Manila.

  97. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    I sometimes wonder if the greater acceptance for trans rights, mental health awareness, etc among elites is largely about protecting their downside against having a dysfunctional or neurotic child. More so, if they plan on one child. The odds of a high-IQ married couple having a child with a 95IQ are fairly minimal. But their risk seems elevated for having a child with high neuroticism, along with depression, mild-schizophrenia, anxiety, gender dysmorphia, etc. Hence, we increasingly hear about these issues and society has to bend over backward to accommodate them.

    On the other hand, if you ask them how do we provide a viable economy for someone with less than 100IQ, it’s evident that they haven’t even thought about it. In many cases, they will actively blame someone for low intellect.

  98. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The market has voted against you. Planned obsolescence is the watchword of the day. A few years ago, before most cars had built in nav and before phone GPS got so good I bought one of those dash mounted GPS units and I got one that came with “Lifetime Maps”. I keep it in the glove box as a backup and maybe once a year I take it out to recharge the battery and update the maps by connecting the USB to a computer and going to the mfrs site. The last time I did this, I noticed that the maps were no longer updating. I searched on internet and found out that the manufacturer didn’t mean YOUR lifetime. They meant the lifetime of the product. And not the PHYSICAL lifetime of the product (mine still works – probably the battery life is short but in a car it gets juice from the cigarette lighter plug) but the USEFUL life of the product, which they have decreed to be exactly 2 years. After that, the product is functionally obsolete. You should chuck it in the trash and buy a new one from them and sorry we lied (well didn’t exactly lie) about the lifetime maps thing but if you complain maybe we’ll email you a 10% off coupon if you buy it from our website where the prices are 10% higher than Amazon.

    So if your product is going to be FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE in 2 years, there’s no point in building it so it will last 20. If a new toaster from a 3rd world factory costs $20, there’s no point in spending $50 to have it repaired (after which it will STILL not be internet connected like the new toasters), and there’s no point in making a toaster that can be taken apart with nuts and bolts and fixed. Might as well just spot weld it all together because it’s never going to fixed anyway and that’s part of how we hit the $20 retail / $5 manufacturing cost price point to begin with.

    The other day, someone mentioned that Soviet refrigerators were (like a lot of Soviet stuff) reverse engineered copies of older Western designs and as such were quite repairable. What they didn’t mention is that in the old day’s in the West such a fridge might have cost a month’s salary (for fridge with a freezer section the size of a small breadbox) because they were full of high quality cast and machined parts and screwed together with dozens of nuts and bolts – that kind of quality cost $. It’s true that you can fix these fridges and keep them running for decades with a few inexpensive parts (and if the labor cost didn’t kill you, which it would) but if you tried to sell one of them new today for 4x the price of a modern self defrosting fridge with a big freezer compartment , an icemaker, etc. you wouldn’t sell even one.

  99. L Woods says:
    @J.Ross

    Here’s one’s reward for “working hard” (from EJMR):

    Sorry bros, 30 year olds dont find “soul mates” or “true love” or even “a b*tch maybe worth wifing.” the single girl of your dreams does not exist at your age. theres no female peer waiting to be your devoted true love. shes already loved and lost or was never capable of loving in the first place and in the “best case” scenario where she agrees to marry youll only ever be her husband accessory and sperm donor. youll never matter more to her than her granite countertops or exposed brick or shoe collection. and youll never truly know her or share a life of intimacy with her. just a checking account and and a netflix password.

    that kind of marriage is for other people. like your grandfather. you remember him, right? the man who didnt meet a broken 30 year old shrew on tinder when he decided to start a family?

    sorry. its just not how people are built and its definitely not how our society works. ljl at finding a pure of heart 29 year girlfriend you will love, honor and cherish for the rest of your life. ljl at knowing you want some b*tch from jdate to be the mother of your children.

    this is just as dumb (and sad) as posters asking how to make new friends moving to a new city at age 34. oh wow what a difficult and confusing question! jk its actually really f**king simple because the answer is you cant make friends in a new city at age 32. people dont make friends–real friends who truly enrich their lives–at 32. they already have those friends and youre just a guy theyre being nice to or hanging out with to pass the time.

    there are no solutions. you done f**ked up if youre romantically/socially isolated at 30. its called life and it already happened for everyone else and youre just the dumbass who decided to start trying with a new job/city/okcupid profile like youre going to still maek it with a loving woman who is 31 and single but totally not broken or slvtty.

    and youre going to find a community of chill, loyal friends and neighbors who genuinely care about you and your family and it will finally be morning in america!

    but then again no.

    it wont be morning in america in your 30s. youre aleady slipping down the slope of a life wasted and in your heart you know that. its not a question of what will happen. it happened. you missed your chance and its only getting worse. time only moves in one direction, f*ggot.

    heres the only advice that can help you: hit the motherf**king reset button and hope your next life isnt the dumpster fire your current one is.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  100. @Thomm

    Immigrants should be over 30% of auto sales in the New York metro area , since they are 37% of the NYC population. Immigrants also buy 35% of the toilet paper and 40% of the diapers in NY and New Jersey.

  101. @Jack D

    Generally agree but with a small quibble. I would argue that the schools don’t necessarily “actively discriminate” against them so much as value other metrics besides SAT/ACT scores. The Asians that sued Harvard seemed to under the impression that because Asian kids had mastered test prep, therefore SAT/ACT scores should be the sole consideration Harvard should use.

    Asians tend not to be very well-rounded. If an elite university wants to admit kids that are likely to A) graduate –> B) become highly successful (thus enhancing the brand) which leads to the most important thing of all –> C) donate lots of dough, then they need to select using factors likely to lead to A, B, and C.

    Humorless, no personality grinds tend to do well on A, and somewhat well on B, and not much at all on C. As our host has noted many times, HYPS have been very good at maintaining the perceived value of attending HYPS. They know full well that if they mostly churn out STEM majors that top out in middle management due to their inability to innovate or to interact well with others, the value of the brand will decline. They want to be in the business of producing Presidents, CEO’s, Senators, and other agents of mass destruction.

    That said, even if they do discriminate against them solely because they’re Asians and they don’t want “too many Asians”, that’s fine by me (I realize you didn’t say this). We’ve already established there is such as thing as “too white”, so it naturally follows that something can be “too Asian”.

    Also with regards to Asian-Asians, I think educating the next generation of leaders of a hostile power is a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jack D
  102. Twinkie says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    I thought you folks were good at math. 2%. A tad low.

    Tad high. “Asians” are about 5% and that includes jungle Asians and fancy Asians. Then there are age cohort issues (only so many are just the right age to be moms) and so on. Then there is the fact that American-born Asians are very much less tiger-ish (e.g. Japanese-Americans are much more likely to be surf bums than cram school attendees). The real % of “Tiger Moms” is probably less than 1%.

    But keep on blaming this tiny group of largely powerless women for ruining America’s allegedly easygoing life.

    BTW, I like your posts better when you stick to your Walter Mitty / Jason Bourne subject matters.

    I’m sorry you are not as manly as you’d like.

  103. There is no free market. It’s all crooked.

  104. @MalePaleStale

    The elephant in the room you’re ignoring. One word.

    Fukushima.

  105. Twinkie says:
    @William Badwhite

    Asians tend not to be very well-rounded.

    You haven’t interviewed college-competitive Asians kids, have you? Asians are dying to get into Harvard, but are too dumb to realize they need more than high test scores? They are very well-aware – they take to all the extracurricular activities with the same intensity, e.g. music, sports (just not football, basketball, etc.), volunteer activities, etc.

    Mind you, *I* don’t care about much of that – I tend to favor homeschooled pupils, especially Christian ones, when I interview, because I want children who have some inkling of what is beautiful, enduring, and good in my almae matres and as future leaders of America. But it is a counter-factual nonsense to assert that Asians kids only have high scores.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  106. Twinkie says:
    @Gordo

    Their quota policy in the Ivy League universities is a very effective way of suppressing East Asian competition.

    Alas, it’s even more effective at suppressing non-Jewish white competition.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  107. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    It is inconceivable that a white man would be so freakishly obsessed with hating white nationalism.

    You are an immigrant who has a self image of doing America a great favor by your presence. You’ve abandoned your own people for better economic opportunities, and you feel this is what Americans should naturally do as well. It will be you and a handful of other ‘smart people’ succeeding while you lord it over the multicultural impoverished masses. What fun.

    You dispise working class whites because they are inherently and will always be more American than you can ever hope to be. They and their ancestors built America, and they are entitled, in a way you aren’t, to demand a nation that works in their interests – not in yours.

    Somewhere, deep down, you know this. That’s why you are so irritated that white Americans aren’t willing to abandon their own countrymen the way people in Asia are so comfortable doing.

    A nation made up of people like you will be a miserable place. You have no instinct for the common good. You have no understanding that this uplifts everyone. A slim wealthy elite surrounded by misery and poverty is the natural state of affairs in Thomm’s homeland. Hopefully America can stop importing Thomms before it’s too late.

  108. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    But countries with skill-based systems have not seen wages fall. Quite the opposite in fact.

    Indeed wages have been stagnant or even fallen in IT thanks to the mass importation of cheap code coolies from Asia and Eastern Europe. I graduated in 1988 with a degree in CS. My first salary coming out of college was $30k, which was about average back then. In today’s dollars, that would be $75k, assuming 3% inflation for 31 years. But the average starting salary for CS grads today is merely $65k, a good $10k (~15%) lower than in 1988.

    Our Per Capita GDP has also gone down. In 1990, with 250 million people, our GDP was ~$6 trillion and the GDP per capita was $24k. Inflation adjusted, that translates to $54,807. In 2018, with 330m people, our GDP is $20T and our GDP per capita is $54,541. So our GDP per capita has gone down, and with the gains in the last 3 decades going disproportionately to the top 1%, the average person is actually quite a bit poorer.

  109. @Twinkie

    You haven’t interviewed college-competitive Asians kids, have you?

    Thankfully no, just as I have not chewed aluminum foil or gargled with bees.

    Anyway, the Asian kids that sued Harvard used their test scores as the primary indicator that they “deserved” to be there. Take their failure to present their well-roundedness up with them.

    Just anecdotal evidence: I live near a middle-tier university and frequently run/jog around and through their campus. The Asian kids I see (and there are quite a few) are usually either walking alone (in which case they’re obliviously staring at their phone as they impede other pedestrians) or with other Asians. My cursory glances at the kids playing intramural softball, basketball, tennis, soccer, etc shows none of the Asian kids. When I see them lining up to go watch their vibrantly diverse classmates play football…few if any Asian kids.

    Anyway as I said in my response to Jack, it was a minor quibble. Also, I’m perfectly okay with universities discriminating against Asians. I’d prefer a system where nobody except the stupid were discriminated against, but since its ok to discriminate against whites, I can only shrug my shoulders and say “since we’re going to be discriminating based on race, I’d prefer my group to be the one favored and your group to be the one discriminated against”. That’s only natural.

    Mind you, *I* don’t care about much of that – I tend to favor homeschooled pupils, especially Christian ones, when I interview, because I want children who have some inkling of what is beautiful, enduring, and good

    Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I’m glad to see someone with decency is still involved with academia, if only in a peripheral way.

    I just hope your hate-think isn’t discovered and you don’t get purged from your role.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Anon
  110. Ibound1 says:
    @Anon7

    Preventative medicine! Why didn’t we think of that? Yale Law School has some deep thinkers. Prevent it. Wow – so simple and no one thought of it but this professor.

  111. @Elli

    Maybe life is better when middle class and working class people can afford the city and inner suburbs, and walk to work or have a short drive, not forty miles and traffic jams.

    One solution worth looking at is:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

    This set of economic rules limits the maximum size of a business. It reduces efficiency a bit, but increases choice and innovation as well as keeping skills and knowledge shared broadly.

  112. Luke Lea says:

    Agree that we need to somehow reconstruct our society and/or welfare system in such a way that anyone (including the overwhelming majority of Americans citizens who have 2 digit or near 2 digit IQ’s) who “works hard and plays by the rules” would stand a good chance to lead rich and fulfilling lives. But how?

    A reformed and vastly expanded earned income tax credit financed by a graduated expenditure tax has possibilities as far as working families monetary standards of living are concerned, as mathematical nerds who are deep in the weeds of neoclassical economics should be able to see:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WIdVnQEWdYgYYly9iKkesWCVhfINvbtwuVq2GMOxMbw/edit?usp=sharing

    That’s because in theory at least this particular combination of tax policies would provide be a fair and efficient way to transfer virtually unlimited amounts of the income of the upper and upper-middle classes to those in the bottom four quintiles of the population. But implementation would be difficult: unregistered or otherwise secret bank accounts in overseas tax havens would have to be eliminated along with shell corporations, which are used to hide rich people’s taxable incomes. But for that to happen would require the cooperation of all the OECD countries major international banking institutions. The diplomatic leadership required to bring those changes about is nowhere in sight unless you count the increasing ability of Western countries to enforce monetary sanctions on rogue states like Iran and North Korea.

    Another even further out possibility, though it certainly would not be suitable to all or even most working-class people, is this:

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  113. @Achmed E. Newman

    The turn of the century was when I changed careers. Right about 2001 things started to change for the worse. Bill Gates said that there were not enough Americans taking computer science in school so they had to import workers. Total BS! The classes I took were packed and they had trouble finding enough people to teach them. Right after 2001 or so, the message got out that the jobs were no longer available and within a few years, the same classes were being cancelled for lack of demand.

  114. @Jack D

    The Economist writes week about the drama of people living in coastal areas. Apparently, global warming is going do destroy homes worth thousands of billions, by 2100. To which my comment is: “Americans lived for three centuries in chicken coops made of plywood, and rebuilt every 50 years or so. There are few houses going back 80 years in the whole of the country. Now, I am supposed to give up beef on the other side of the planet, so that today’s Louisiana coops survive another 80 years”?

    Your Founding Fathers inhabited chicken coops, and brought planned obsolescence to the world. They also planted the seed of today’s transnational corporations that make everything according to the plywood mentality. Soviets and their sturdy refrigerators went away, because those brilliant Founding Fathers made up that nonsense about “pursuit of happiness”. Why blame today’s people?

  115. Twinkie says:
    @William Badwhite

    That’s only natural.

    A lot of bad things are natural. As I often say to the hippies with organic/natural craze, there is lots of organic/natural poison that’ll harm you. You shouldn’t tolerate unfairness against yourself, but also shouldn’t tolerate unfairness against others either. Real virtue is not social (signaling) – it’s inherent.

    Thank you. I mean that sincerely. I’m glad to see someone with decency is still involved with academia, if only in a peripheral way.

    I appreciate that. I don’t know how much my (and my wife’s) almae matres give credence to our interview notes and recommendations (probably very little), but we keep trying.

  116. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    At least these kids also care nothing for drugs, alcohol, casual sex, and riotous partying.

    To be fair 50% of white kids are also well behaved, but I like the idea of having a school where there are no dumb jocks or cheerleaders, where smart nerdy kids are at the top of the social hierarchy, and where drinking, smoking, hooking up, and partying makes one a social pariah.

    • Replies: @Moses
  117. the (author) is confusing two separate things. meritocracy, which only the western europeans had to any appreciable degree, and only for part of their history, and the rat race, which has been created by the (author) and his (friends), where a rat race previously did not exist. as steve often reminds us, Ben Franklin spoke highly of America for not having rat race conditions.

    meritocracy is what gets you to the moon and to mars and invents cars. you can’t cheat your way to tech progress or, for the most part, societal progress – at a mimimum, real GDP increases only come from meritocracy produced improvements.

    a rat race gets you higher generic GDP, but that’s mainly toilet paper GPD. more butts means you sell more toilet paper. this is good for the (author) and his (friends) but mostly bad for everybody else.

    the (author) conflates these two things in order to attack the concept of meritocracy, presumably so that it can replaced with some other system which helps (his group) and his KKKrazy glues associates at the expense of YT. these (guys) hardly talk about or do anything else.

    so yes, in at least one way, an aristocracy is better than a meritocracy, as it’s less subject to getting infiltrated by the artificial meritocracy people of today, who are test score meritocrats with no attachment to the common citizens. but an aristocracy is not what this (guy) has in mind, i’m quite confident.

    on a more biology tangent, life in the abstract was always an endless, terrible struggle, over 3 billion years of organic chemistry lifeforms killing each other to steal star photon energy. another strategy, lifeforms cooperating, probably didn’t show up until the Cambrian.

  118. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aft

    Not me. I’m a woman and I would restructure society to make no-fault divorce illegal.

    Fault based divorce only. And women should only ever get payouts from their ex-husbands if he cheated, beat her, or deserted her. And I would also make it the norm for cheating or abusive ex-wives to be forced to pay their aggrieved ex-husbands money.

    Also, bastardy court cases favor women too much. A woman can pop out a baby with a random man, and get 75-100% custody time with their kid. I’d change things so that 50-50 custody for these dumb proles is the default. That way, neither women nor men have excessive incentive to keep having bastards.

    I also hate affirmative action, and I’d make it illegal. Although I suspect that many of you WN men wouldn’t like the results. White men would gain more places in elite schools and corporations, but Asian men would gain even more.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
  119. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Also with regards to Asian-Asians, I think educating the next generation of leaders of a hostile power is a bad idea.

    I’m not sure about this. OTOH, it didn’t work out all that well with the Japanese in WWII (Yamamoto went to Harvard). Kim Jong Un doesn’t seem to take much from his Swiss boarding school education except perhaps a taste for Western luxury goods. OTOH, you might at least hope that some part of Western values would rub off on them.

    Colleges have been pulling the “X is not well rounded” thing since the ’20s, first with Jews and then with Asians. It’s like Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism – people who are “well rounded” are people who remind admissions officers of themselves.

    Now that some Asian have made big bucks, they have donated generously to alma mater.

    Amir Bose donated the majority of the stock he owns in his company to MIT.

    HK billionaire Gerald Chan gave a whopping $350 million to the Harvard School of Public Health, the largest gift EVER received by Harvard.

    http://harvardpolitics.com/harvard/culture-behind-asian-donations-u-s-universities/

    In the Harvard case, alumni who actually interviewed Asians scored them even with whites on “personality” (this makes complete sense because my kid’s Asian friends are complete SWPLs or bananas – if you tested them behind a curtain like orchestra auditions you’d never know if they were Asian) but the admissions officers who never met the kids and who scored them only on paper submissions rated them lower.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  120. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Then just get rid of the spots for blacks and hispanics.

    Boom, problem solved.

    If a school is 100% White, then white nerds inevitably get picked by jocks and cheerleaders. But with a sufficient percentage of asian classmates, white nerds can change the campus culture so that they don’t get bullied. If they play their cards right, the nerds can actually sit at the top of the social hierarchy.

  121. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    >eventually the Chinese will beat [the Africans] into shape
    Belgians couldn’t. What’ll happen is there’ll be a mysterious plague and then Chinese interests will have to bring in Chinese people.

  122. @Luke Lea

    unregistered or otherwise secret bank accounts in overseas tax havens would have to be eliminated along with shell corporations, which are used to hide rich people’s taxable incomes.

    Any scheme devised to control the rich is doomed to failure.

    They have been trained to game every system, hire the best lawyers, accountants, whatever they need.

    We are now at peak kleptocracy where they just buy and blackmail legislators and write their own tax code to keep their costs down.

    The most you can hope for is to increase the cost and complexity of tax avoidance–which would just redistribute wealth to the tax lawyers and tax accountants.

    The money won’t trickle down regardless.

    The Elizabeth Warrens and Bernie Sanders of politics are there for entertainment purposes only.

  123. @Jack D

    I’m not sure about this. OTOH, it didn’t work out all that well with the Japanese in WWII (Yamamoto went to Harvard). Kim Jong Un doesn’t seem to take much from his Swiss boarding school…

    There are about 360,000 Chinese students at US schools. This doesn’t include Asian-Americans, Japanese, etc. That is an astounding number. That’s not a few Japanese (e.g. Yamamoto, who learned enough while here to know Japan could never hope to beat the US once the war production got ramped up) here and there. That’s an entire cohort of future leaders of all sorts of verticals of an adversary, being educated by us, so in the future they can more effectively cause trouble for us. Yes I know they pay full retail so its a nice source of cash for the university system, but classic capitalists selling the rope and all that.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/372900/number-of-chinese-students-that-study-in-the-us/

    you might at least hope that some part of Western values would rub off on them

    The Western values we’d like them to learn are extremely unlikely to be taught at a modern university. Mostly they’ll learn contempt from how silly our “elites” are, with their obsessions with race and homosexuals.

    Trump should slash the number of student visas available to China. This would be a win-win-win as it would a) put more pressure on China to finally progress towards becoming a grown-up country, b) put financial strain on “higher” academia and hopefully kill off parts of it and c) cause more leftist heads to explode.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Twinkie
  124. @Jack D

    Planned obsolescence is not nearly as common in cars as it used to be.

    In the old days, it was a big deal if a car made it 100,000 miles. Similarly, a car more than 10 years old was a big deal, and was usually a second car just to drive around town and hope it doesn’t die.

    New car loans were usually 3 years. Many people traded in their cars after 3 years, which led to the 3 year lease.

    I just junked an 18 year old car because the turbo charger blew and it wasn’t worth fixing it. The previous car I junked had 196,000 miles on it. The cars we have left are 6 and 13 years old. The 13 year old car has over 170,000 miles, and may very well last well past 200k.

    Tesla claims their cars can last 1 million miles if properly maintained and if the battery is replaced after 500,000 miles. Whether that is true is a different matter.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  125. Jack D says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Not one thing is a stretch. Good luck getting Xiaolongbao or Pho in America 1965.

    Honestly, you are not doing yourself any favors by overstating your case. Immigrants are a mixed bag – they bring some good things and some bad. Aside from having to eat dull boring white people food all the time, I would say that Real Americans pay a lot less than they otherwise would for a lot of products that are produced by immigrant labor. I don’t think we’d still be eating 99 cent/lb. chicken and 77 cent/dozen eggs if it wasn’t for immigrant labor. Housing and housing maintenance would be a lot more expensive without immigrant workforces. Hockey wouldn’t be very good without all those Canadian and E. European players. Etc.

    You can argue that the bad outweighs the good (especially if you argue on a country by country basis – hard to say what Salvadorans brought to the table, most people give Filipinos pretty good reviews, etc.) but you can’t really say it’s ALL bad. Or you can, but it’s not really credible.

  126. the atlantic.

    a more interesting discussion would be, has there every been anything that europeans created that, when jews took over, they didn’t turn into a platform to attack europeans?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Ibound1
  127. Jack D says:

    I doubt that Tesla batteries really last 500,000 miles. The Tesla guaranty for the Model 3 is that it will retain 70% of its capacity for 100,000 miles. If the batteries were still good at 500,000 miles why don’t they warrant it – it would be great publicity and it wouldn’t cost them anything if it were really true, right?

    Electric motors can be very long lived so 1 million miles is not inconceivable. However modern cars are very dependant on electronics, not just to control the drivetrain but for all sorts of functions – climate control, entertainment, safety (airbags), braking, etc. If the average car is driven 15,000 miles per year, 1 million miles is 66 years. How many transistorized systems are still functioning after 66 years without the electronic components or solder joints failing? How many are not FUNCTIONALLY obsolete – virtually none of them. In 2085 your Tesla screen will be as up to date as B&W TV set from 1953. All the rubber components in the suspension, water sealing gaskets, etc. will have rotted away. The seats and headliner will be in shreds.The steel components of the body structure will have rusted in any northern climate. The paint will be gone. If you take a car from 1953 and give it a brand new engine (which is not hard or expensive to do relatively speaking) you still have a massive restoration job to do – the engine is only the beginning. People do this on antiques and hot rods because they love them and sometimes are valuable, but for ordinary unloved production vehicles it simply doesn’t pay.

    That being said, cars have gotten better. They’ve also gotten more expensive. An average American sedan (say a Chevy Impala) was around $3,000 in 1968 – with inflation this is around $22,000. An equivalent car today (smaller outside and with a smaller displacement engine but actually roomier inside and move powerful) starts at $28,000, but it has more standard features – airbags, 4 wheel discs, better crash safety, etc. so it’s hard to say whether it really costs more. Probably without the Japanese keeping them honest, it would cost a lot more and not be as good. The Japanese (and at the high end the Germans) really forced the American manufacturers to up their game – they had to be dragged kicking and screaming.

    • Replies: @adreadline
  128. @Thomm

    Economic leftists like the readers here can’t grasp this.

    And Conservative Inc., Chamber of Commerce, growth at all cost can’t comprehend “It’s a Wonderful Life” either.

  129. @Ash Williams

    why did 8chan shut down?

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
  130. @Jack D

    An average American sedan (say a Chevy Impala) was around $3,000 in 1968 – with inflation this is around $22,000. An equivalent car today (smaller outside and with a smaller displacement engine but actually roomier inside and move powerful) starts at $28,000, but it has more standard features – airbags, 4 wheel discs, better crash safety, etc. so it’s hard to say whether it really costs more.

    Assuming all you said as accurate, yes, it does cost more if there is no option of buying the car without said features. Someone who has only $22,000 now will have no car, while back then they’d have one.

    I’m exaggerating, but I think it’s clear enough.

    This applies even if all those new things make the car undoubtedly safer and the driver less likely to die or get hurt in an accident (which would bring further costs to him, possibly greater than the price of the car), because, before anything, he needs to own the car to benefit from it. And at $28,000, he might be unable to.

  131. BenKenobi says:

    Good luck getting Xiaolongbao or Pho in America 1965.

    Oh the humanity. If only there was some way Whites could make their own pho.

    Aside from having to eat dull boring white people food all the time

    You wouldn’t be using a canard, would you Jacky-boy? There’s nothing dull or boring about any White culinary traditions.

    I don’t think we’d still be eating 99 cent/lb. chicken and 77 cent/dozen eggs

    I’ve said it before, but a $5 tomato is a small price to pay for them all going back. Also, food prices are thru the roof in Canada right now and immigrants aren’t exactly thin on the ground.

  132. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Just what sort of adult spends time with sports? I don’t really understand their use for recruiting university students – I guess the Einsteins of the past would have struggled getting into any university if American criteria were used -, but it’s probably par for the course in a country where the Trumps are intellectual icons.

    But after the age of 18? You should be worrying about GRE, MCAT, CFA, or something equally difficult.

    Sure, if your brains have stopped working after you started at college, and you don’t have any desire to go further, then by all means, do the same things the unemployed bn in your home town do all day long. Play with small balls and large balls until you rejoin their ranks. In fact, your college degree may give you an advantage when you will compete with them for that Starbucks job.

  133. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    This, divorce should be possible, but it shouldn’t be easy and 100% weighted to one side.
    >Asians are competitive
    Sure they are. Destroy their families with out of control courts and see how competitive they are then. I have every confidence in the ability of whites to strive provided they have something to strive toward.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  134. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    You understand that there’s these things called cookbooks, right? You don’t have to sacrifice your standard of living and your future for a learnable procedure which at no time necessitates or justifies immigration.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  135. @Jack D

    I went to an Ivy, have kids at an Ivy, know dozens of people (all white) whose kids are at Ivies. Asian competition has not been a serious game changer for the elites, certainly not for legacy whites, just for second tier and lower income whites. The myth of Asian competition is a story they feed people who don’t go to Ivies to keep you distracted while whites keep fighting for the real top spots. Asians are rarely stars once they get to the Ivies, remember Ivies don’t cater to STEM nerds. Jews are still the smartest kids and old money WASPS still have the social talent.

    The real point, in relation to immigration, is that second generation Asians are not perceived by people like Markovits as immigrants in any way. Whites and Asians at Ivy League schools date each other, marry each other, become life long friends in the same clubs and eating societies and it’s all a big meritocratic happy family. Asians in the Ivies has probably been bad for blacks, especially when Asians grab the POC mantle to get some advantage, but most whites, especially dweeby white guys, don’t mind.

    From what I can tell Asians are a far bigger issue at schools like UCLA, where they do act clannish and are more intelligent than the average white student. Probably also true at CalTech and MIT. But notice that Markovits seems to be unaware that STEM is even a thing. Finance, law and medicine- that is still where the power is.

    • Agree: Old Palo Altan
  136. @Twinkie

    it’s even more effective at suppressing non-Jewish white competition.

    Now you’re catching on.

  137. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Isn’t the US relatively self supporting? What do we need the rest of the world for? It’s bad enough we have two lumpen proletarian classes – blacks and hispanics. Why should we allow the destruction of the petite bourgeoisie to add to it?

  138. bomag says:
    @Bigdicknick

    Exactly right.

    More cars and apartments eventually become a negative.

  139. @Twinkie

    They are way more than 1% of the total.

    However it is true that Tiger White Moms are a bigger deal and cause more of the general woe. But that 15% of married households (and 30%+ same or more in many high-octane school districts) commits their share of mayhem and then some.

    High earning, moderate to high status people are anything but “largely powerless”.

  140. @Paleo Liberal

    In a number of larger cities, taxicabs are driven 300+ miles per day. Its not unusual to see one with over 400,000 miles on it. If maintained properly there’s no reason you can’t get half a millions miles out of an engine that has been around forever (e.g. GM’s 8-cylinders). Unfortunately the seals around the body panels, etc start to sag and even if the powerplant is solid you’re still driving around in a jalopy where everything sags and bangs. No way will you get 1mm miles out of a Tesla before it falls apart like the Blues Mobile at the end of “Blues Brothers”.

    For semis, half a million miles is not that big of a deal:

    https://www.truckpaper.com/listings/trucks/for-sale/33197473/2011-peterbilt-389

  141. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    Right, for 200 years American WASPs ate boiled ham and rubbery American cheese with mayonnaise on squishy white bread because they lacked cookbooks.

    As I said before, whether immigration makes America better or worse on the whole is debatable, but whether food in America is better now than in 1965 is not.

  142. @Redneck farmer

    Good point, kind of surprised they haven’t tried that yet, after all Steven J. Gould condemned it in the greatest book ever written, didn’t he?

  143. @Jack D

    Hmm, hockey players and Pho. That’s some thin gruel.

    Given that the Canadians, Russians, in the NHL can’t really be called immigrants (I assume most are on some form of work visa) that just leaves the Pho. Oh, and the cheap construction labor (which we wouldn’t need so much of if we didn’t need housing for 100mm+ foreigners since 1965).

  144. @Mr McKenna

    Supply and Demand only work in specific instances, essentially when and where we want them to, and at no other time or place.

    Much like the boycott. When we raise barriers against Chinese goods because they’re commie assholes, it’s stupid and self-defeating, but when we boycott conventions in North Carolina because they wouldn’t allow transgender bathrooms, then it’s totally awesome.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  145. Ibound1 says:
    @Jack D

    Not just that. 50% of med school spots (for example) are practically reserved for women. 50 years ago, very few (and exceptional) women went to med school but now it is half the spots but they have not doubled the class sizes since that time. 50% of the slots that once went to men are gone. It would not surprise me if this were true for other grad schools as well. What happened to the men that used to get in but now cannot- I don’t know – opiate crisis maybe? In the meantime, our professional women are not having many children, and my guess, are greatly regretting it.

    We have a system designed to produce maximum long term unhappiness.

  146. Anonymous[659] • Disclaimer says:
    @An Aussie

    Yes, in the old days women writers had to adopt male names to get published. Now it’s the opposite.

  147. @Jack D

    And not the PHYSICAL lifetime of the product (mine still works – probably the battery life is short but in a car it gets juice from the cigarette lighter plug) but the USEFUL life of the product, which they have decreed to be exactly 2 years. After that, the product is functionally obsolete. You should chuck it in the trash and buy a new one from them and sorry we lied (well didn’t exactly lie) about the lifetime maps thing but if you complain maybe we’ll email you a 10% off coupon if you buy it from our website where the prices are 10% higher than Amazon.

    Your anecdote doesn’t support your contention that the market demands throwaway products. Clearly, you wouldn’t have bought the thing if you had known its actual life, and neither would anyone else. That’s not “the market,” that’s you being ripped off. God help us when people discover the real terms on which they “own” software and music.

  148. @William Badwhite

    I remember reading back in the 80s that US-educated Chinese might lead rebellions.

  149. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Homogeneous nation-states solve this problem by lowering the stress of competition between individuals: “If some other white guy gets into Harvard or lands on the moon, who cares? It’s my tribe that’s doing whatever it is anyway, so I get a share of the credit for their accomplishments by virtue of the fact that we are both in the same familial group.” That’s nationalism. If your first cousin went to Mars, you might be a little envious, but you’d be a lot less envious than if someone else from a different group that hated you did it first and then rubbed it in your face. A lot of people might even promote the fact that it was their family that went to Mars, familial pride and all. In contrast, turning the former country of the United States into an “us vs. them” affair among different groups (which is where the stress is really coming from) has made everything into a competition with a clear winner and a clear loser with no middle ground. That’s the end result of a diverse proposition nation. Combine that with increasing economic inequality, outsourcing and stagnant wages, and people get doubly stressed when they realize they have essentially no future and no function in society. The collapse of purpose, essentially. Too bad smart guys like Charles Krauthammer didn’t think of that. But then again, lots of smart guys embraced dumb ideas.

  150. @Twinkie

    I don’t blame “everything” on your Tiger Moms. Get over yourself.

    Like everything from your kind you can’t trust the numbers. But, let’s say it is even 1%. 1% Piss in the punch bowl still ruins the punch. And that is what you and yours have done and will continue to do until even you and the Thomms of the world notice it.

    Puzzle me this Superman, why is it only White countries you and yours want to invade? But, hey I am a pessimist and you folks will probably “win” and we will go the way of Carthage and then Rome. Enjoy the ruins.

    And if you think I buy your Walter Mitty bravado, well…that makes me smile. Thanks for the laugh.

    Sorry Mr. Sailer to get so personal attack mode on your blog. But I am so very sick of these ungrateful conniving Asians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  151. anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    None of this bodes well for the Ivies, or the Northeast for that matter. For the last 100 years, the Ivy League has rose and fell with Wall Street, which employed lots of otherwise unemployable grads and created 95% of current endowments. Wall Street has experience the longest boom, since maybe the 1920’s? And this guy is still complaining? Not good.

    He also included the standard Ivy lament about tech. The reality is any successful anti-trust against tech would make life much worse for non-tech companies. Big Tech has lots of smart young dudes (very few Ivy, very few Jewish, hmmm…) hanging out, procrastinating on starting their big idea because of easy 500k comp. Anti-trust would thrust them into the startup world, which would be the end of quite a few incumbents in NYC, Boston, NJ and the rest.

  152. @anon

    Excellent comment. This is what it means to know the value of something regardless of the price.

  153. njguy73 says:
    @Jack D

    That kind of work is never coming back. If it ever does, it’s going to be in a factory with 5 humans and 500 robots.

    No, it’ll be done in a factory with 1 man, 1 dog, and 500 robots.

    The man’s job will be to feed to dog.

    The dog’s job will be to sic himself on the man if the man attempts to interfere with the robots.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
  154. Moses says:
    @Anonymous

    I like the idea of having a school where there are no dumb jocks or cheerleaders, where smart nerdy kids are at the top of the social hierarchy, and where drinking, smoking, hooking up, and partying makes one a social pariah.

    You were one of the nerds who never kissed a girl, weren’t you?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  155. Twinkie says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    But, let’s say it is even 1%. 1% Piss in the punch bowl still ruins the punch.

    I rather like Mr. Derbyshire’s salt in a soup metaphor.

    you folks will probably “win” and we will go the way of Carthage and then Rome.

    I surely hope my wife’s folks (who are my kids’ folks and therefore my folks) don’t go the way of Carthage and Rome.

    you and the Thomms

    Comparing me to Thomm – now THAT is insulting.

    these ungrateful conniving Asians.

    You are so stupid that you don’t realize who is on your side and who is not. Only the best people, as Anatoly Karlin referred to WN’s once.

    Go back to mom’s basement and keep on doom-masturbating.

  156. Twinkie says:
    @anon

    If some other white guy gets into Harvard or lands on the moon, who cares?

    I lived in homogeneous countries. That’s not what happens.

    It’s my tribe that’s doing whatever it is anyway, so I get a share of the credit for their accomplishments by virtue of the fact that we are both in the same familial group.” That’s nationalism.

    Tribalism is much more ancient than nationalism, which is a modern construct, and have very different scales.

    Tribalism is much more intimate and depends a great deal on identifiably shared lineage and personally shared lives. Nationalism is a large-scale melding of disparate peoples into a single folk based on an imagined community.

  157. Twinkie says:
    @William Badwhite

    There are about 360,000 Chinese students at US schools. This doesn’t include Asian-Americans, Japanese, etc. That is an astounding number. That’s not a few Japanese (e.g. Yamamoto, who learned enough while here to know Japan could never hope to beat the US once the war production got ramped up) here and there. That’s an entire cohort of future leaders of all sorts of verticals of an adversary, being educated by us, so in the future they can more effectively cause trouble for us. Yes I know they pay full retail so its a nice source of cash for the university system, but classic capitalists selling the rope and all that.

    I agree with this wholeheartedly. We need to dramatically reduce the percentages of foreign students being educated at our universities and get back to educating more of the “lost kids” – who are mainly white – from the Midwest and the South. Public universities, in particular, should re-orient to admitting more locals, and a lot fewer foreigners and out-of-staters.

  158. @Anonymous

    One of the biggest losers in affirmative action bans in private companies would be white women.

  159. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    Why would I ever kiss a girl? I am not a lesbian.

  160. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    The ones who live in America live under the exact same laws as white Americans.

    Do you think that asians who live in America are somehow subject to a different set of family courts than whites, blacks, and hispanics?

    Newsflash: they aren’t.

    In America, any woman who wants to can have sex with a random stranger, then sue him for child support while denying him adequate parenting time with his child.

    In America, any woman can get a man to marry her, then divorce him and get paid, even if he never abused or cheated on her.

    The fact that the different races IN AMERICA, who are subject to the same family laws, have vastly different rates of bastard kids and divorce, tells us volumes about their personal behavior and moral values.

    American laws encourage women to do bad things to their ex-husbands and their kids. So anyone who consciously chooses to not do these things has shown tremendous moral values, self-control, and selflessness.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  161. @Kronos

    Just WTF do 401ks have to do with “destroying private sector unions”?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Kronos
  162. Ibound1 says:
    @prime noticer

    Medical research and discoveries in the US were, to some degree dominated by Jews for a while, in the 20th Century. They certainly made a massive, out of proportion, contribution. But, unlike in law, their contribution was all to the good.

  163. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    In the old days, private sector union workers (like public sector union workers still do today) had “defined benefit” pension plans – if you worked for a certain # of years, you would receive a certain monthly pension amount based upon your last salary (possibly adjusted for inflation) regardless of how the investments in the pension fund did. If the investments didn’t perform well, then the employer had to come up with the difference, even if it bankrupted them, which it often did.

    In a 401(k), your employer contributes (or matches your contribution) a fixed $ amount or % each paycheck and that’s the end of his responsibility. You get to invest this as you see fit and whether or not this is enough for you to live on when you retire is not his problem.

    Personally, I think the substitution of 401(k)’s for defined benefit pensions was a SYMPTOM and not a cause of union decline – the unions no longer had the muscle to impose this on employers. But Kronos seems to think that the arrow of causation points the other way.

  164. People keep palavering about their theories of social causality while ignoring the scientific ethics 0f testing those theories on human subjects without their consent. If they’re going to “talk past the sale” of experimenting on human subjects without their consent, the least they can do is have multiple experimental groups testing those theories, including control groups (ie: “The Bad Old Days”) so some notion of causality might be justifiable. Can’t do that either? Yes, I know: “Politics is the art of the possible.”

    Then how about settling on the only known method of objectively deciding between competing social theories:

    Compile all the data used by all social theories to infer social causality as well as cross-check for bias, and go with the social theory that most compresses the data, without loss (ie: without “confirmation bias).

  165. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    You are completely delusional if you think that the law is being applied equally.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  166. Kronos says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    It created a very toxic external relationship between middle class Baby Boomers and the Financial industry. This unholy political union allowed the financialization of essentially all (non-finance) US industries. Remember, the majority of US industries are constrained by outdated equipment and stagnant wages. (China has far more newer factories than the US despite being poorer in capital.) Instead of reinvesting into the company, most profits are given out to shareholder dividends to quite an unhealthy degree.

    The Boomers freed up the financial system from New Deal constraints (Allen Greenspan called it “opening the silos.”) In return, they received a huge share of potential profits it 401ks and other retirement accounts. Thus, wholesale offshoring, unlimited immigration, and automation became the norm while Bobby and Bonnie Boomer looked the other way. Also, back in the 1980s stocks were REALLY cheap and companies often proved 80% matching funds. (Don’t forget the major government tax deductibles involved with contributing to retirement accounts, that further dilutes any “free market” purity.)

    Trump wrestles with this problem everyday. The minute he cuts off illegal immigration, stocks will decline because more money needs to be used to pay workers. That’ll lead to real nasty backstabbing by the BoomerCons and Democrats.

    Bill Clinton created the Democratic juggernaut Party we know today by fusing finance and middle class boomers into the same party. It’s why they never abandon him regardless what he does. Only non-boomer Democrats despise the Clintons. The whole “It’s the economy stupid!” Was geared towards the stock market, not healthy value-added industries.

  167. J.Ross says:
    @L Woods

    The Fisher King is more prescient with each passing year, but the clouds remain.

  168. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    And you are delusional if you think that Jews, Asians and Subcons only have stable families because family courts deny them divorce petitions.

    They can just as easily frivorce their husbands as a white woman. It’s just that they are CHOOSING TO STAY. With their beta husbands.

    Likewise, a white woman can just as easily pop out a bastard as a hispanic or black woman. But most white women CHOOSE to marry before having kids.

  169. Anon7 says:
    @An Aussie

    You give me hope. Maybe some of the female name winners were men!

  170. MEH 0910 says:

  171. @Jim Don Bob

    why did 8chan shut down?

    The stated reason is Cloudflare dropped them as a customer and they couldn’t get another DDOS protection service quickly.

    I don’t know why it’s taking so long to get another, it’s causing a lot of speculation.

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