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The Atlantic explains how Chicago Mayors Richie Daley and now Rahm Emanuel, out of the goodness of their hearts, have helped Chicago’s suburban neighbors share in the vibrancy of diversity. Mayor Daley had to tear down the Cabrini Green housing project on the Gold Coast because it was so isolated from jobs and public transportation. Now, Mayor Rahm Emanuel is helping poor blacks out, right out of Chicago.
How Chicago Is Trying to Integrate Its Suburbs
The city, long divided into black and white neighborhoods, is asking affluent counties to pitch in.
ALANA SEMUELS JUL 17, 2015
… The collaboration began in 2002, when the Chicago Housing Authority and the housing authorities of Lake and Cook Counties created a collaboration called the Regional Housing Initiative (RHI). Its goal was to spearhead the construction of affordable housing in “opportunity areas,” which are essentially middle- or upper-income neighborhoods with good schools and safe streets. Today there are nine public housing authorities that participate in the collaborative.
Here’s how it works: Through the Regional Housing Initiative, the housing authorities pool a portion of their Section 8-voucher funds and use that money to subsidize the construction of affordable developments in areas with a low poverty rate, a high homeownership rate, good schools, and access to jobs. The Section 8 units in those developments are then accessible to voucher-holders from all of the participating counties, and many of the other units are set aside for low-income people.
Typically, small counties and towns don’t have enough voucher funds to underwrite projects like these developments—before the collaboration, no suburban housing authority in Chicago had built affordable housing with voucher funds. Chicago, on the other hand, has the most vouchers in the region by far, but does not have many options for new housing in safe, high-opportunity neighborhoods.
None, I tell you, none at all.
By pooling resources and allowing voucher-holders to move across the entire area, the Regional Housing Initiative has given poorer people access to towns and communities they would have otherwise been excluded from. ..
The program has helped people like Denise Boyd, who lived in the North Side of Chicago, in an apartment building that she said got a little too busy at night. When she got off the Section 8 waiting list two years, ago, she says, she was skeptical about the idea of moving to Glenview.
Her kids liked the Chicago school they were in and had friends there, and Boyd goes to church frequently and didn’t like the idea of a 45-minute drive, or more, just to get to church.
But then she visited Glenview and loved the trees and flowers in the Glenview building, which has a community garden and a big lawn. The stores are nicer in Glenview, she said, and the schools are excellent, too.
“Adults have to realize, when you have kids, it’s all about your children now,” she told me. “You have to make sure your children are happy and safe.”
While RHI has been effective at convincing both suburban and urban housing authorities to participate in the program, other factors helped too. For example, the recession of 2008 meant that developers had parcels of land that they couldn’t offload, and were amenable to selling them to people interested in building affordable housing for fair prices.
Real estate developers are sensitive social justice warriors, too, at least when times are tough and only the government is writing checks.
The recession also meant that many municipalities were looking for ways to encourage building on land that had once been zoned for manufacturing or business. The town of Crystal Lake, for instance, changed some zoning laws during the recession to allow the construction of certain apartment units, and the town now has a 60-unit development—many of which are affordable—complete with a pool, volleyball courts, and an exercise center.
Before the Crystal Lake project was built, suburban residents worried that affordable housing would look like Cabrini Green, Claussen said. But now that affordable units have been built through the Regional Housing Initiative, residents have been complimenting the townhouses going up, not even knowing the units are for low-income residents.
In other words, the local powers that be weren’t in any hurry to mention to local residents what they were up to.
“It’s a great way to show that affordable housing isn’t just a warehouse of poor people,” she said.
Housing advocates have long debated the merits of moving low-income families from high-poverty urban areas to suburbs like Glenview. The move can be challenging for families, who leave behind family and friends and enter a new, affluent world. But the research is increasingly conclusive: Living in a “good” zip code dramatically improves kids’ chances of going to college, getting a good job, and escaping poverty.
And yet, it can be hard to convince voucher-holders to move to the suburbs. Boyd worried that she would face racism, and that her children wouldn’t like being among only a handful of black kids at their school. Boyd says the move was difficult—her kids miss their friends, and Boyd’s own friends who use public transit never come out to visit, because it’s so difficult to get to Glenview. She still hasn’t found a church she likes—the ones in Glenview are “Catholic or Matholic or who knows what,” she joked. (To help with these sorts of difficulties, the Regional Housing Initiative is testing a program that will give voucher-holders money to move to high opportunity areas, and should have some results by the fall.)
But Boyd, who has a disabled son, says all of those obstacles are nothing compared to the piece of mind she’s gotten living in a quiet area with good schools. The move might have been difficult, but it will lead to better life outcomes for her children, she said.
Boyd now joins the ranks of hundreds of low-income Chicago families who have helped test new housing strategies. For half a century, Chicago was a prime example of how housing policy could perpetuate segregation. Its public-housing authority built new complexes in predominantly black areas as white areas refused to approve new public housing, a practice that led to a lawsuit in 1969. As part of a settlement, the Gautreaux program moved more than 3,000 black families to the suburbs. Later, a program known as Moving to Opportunity sought to do the same thing. But when studies raised questions about the effectiveness of these programs, they ended.
Instead, the majority of families lived in complexes not all too different from the infamous Cabrini Green, and when that was dismantled, they moved to other majority-black, low-income neighborhoods.
No opportunity here
Because Cabrini Green was so far from all the jobs.
For example, Cabrini Green was a 20-minute walk from the landmark Drake Hotel on Michigan Avenue’s Magnificent Mile across Lake Shore Drive from the Oak Street Beach.
You may have somehow gotten the impression that tearing down Cabrini Green was all about driving out poor black people from right next to the Gold Coast to add billions to local property values. But, it turns out, it was really about Chicago generously Sharing Diversity with deprived suburban municipalities.
But by 2002, business leaders and suburban mayors were recognizing that the segregation of low-income residents in the urban core was holding back the region’s economy. Companies located in the suburbs couldn’t find entry-level service workers, and when they did, those workers would have hours-long commutes through heavy traffic, and would have problems getting to work in inclement weather.
So, Mayors Daley and Emanuel have been graciously permitting suburbs to benefit from their diversity ever since.
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Suburbs have gotten prosperous on hefty government subsidies for commuter rail and intra metro freeways. Live by the subsidy, die by the subsidy.
In contrast, blacks just soak up all the welfare and subsidies without paying into the system.Replies: @vinny
Liberals are under the impression that successful attributes -- working hard, studying, delaying gratification -- are an aura that can be absorbed from the right ground or proximity to the right people.
“Living in a “good” zip code dramatically improves kids’ chances of going to college, getting a good job, and escaping poverty.”
Yes zip codes commit crimes, not actual people. If you drop off 40 thousand Inglewood Blacks into Newport Beach, there will be a zero increase in the crime rate in Newport Beach. Once you get the Black underclass out of bad zip codes and into good zip codes, they all start behaving like Japanese and Singaporean people.
“And yet, it can be hard to convince voucher-holders to move to the suburbs. Boyd worried that she would face racism”
Whatever kind of racism this Black woman will face in the predominantly White suburb of Glenview, Illinois will be nowhere near as bad as the racism that a young White man recently faced in Cincinnati, Ohio when Hussein Obama’s sons have gave him a gangsta style beat down that put him in the emergency room in the hospital.
“She still hasn’t found a church she likes—the ones in Glenview are “Catholic or Matholic or who knows what,” she joked.”
What she really means is she has not found an African American church in Glenview, Illinois. What she really means by Glenview only has Catholics churches is that it only has Non African American churches.
“But Boyd, who has a disabled son, says all of those obstacles are nothing compared to the piece of mind she’s gotten living in a quiet area with good schools.”
So no Black neighborhood in Chicago can offer her the piece of mind of living in a quiet area with good schools. She is such a self hating Aunt Jemima
“Countering Progressives’ Assault on Suburbia”
http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/001096-countering-progressives-assault-suburbia
Private companies seem to actively avoid hiring blacks in customer facing service positions. It’s really primarily in government customer facing service jobs like the DMV that you see blacks in large numbers.
This is worse than the Parisian model. In Paris, they built the housing projects away from the city. The suburbs were built for the lumpen immigrant community, so they did less harm.
If Chicago were to build projects far from city where no one lives, there would be no problem.
The problem is they are building housing complexes where decent people have already settled down, and the main reason why they settled in the suburbs is because they were trying to get away from black crime.
And they worked and paid their own way, thus proving that they are responsible people.
But these inner city blacks have proven they aren’t good at anything. They just suck up welfare and raise lousy kids. They’ve demonstrated that they need others to do everything for them–just like Africans migrating to Europe because they can’t do anything for themselves.
If they are decent people, why can’t they work, save, and raise kids right? If they did that, their own communities in the city would be nice and livable. After all, Chinatowns were ghettos too but the Chinese didn’t run their communities into hellholes. Even Mexicans don’t destroy communities as badly as blacks do.
Or, if they’re decent people, they’d pay their own way to live in the suburbs. Since they’ve proven their worth as workers and savers, they might make decent neighbors.
These inner city blacks mess up entire parts of cities, and urban gentry doesn’t want them. They prefer that blacks move out of prime real estate so they can build more luxury condos there for their own kind. Just ship the black problem to other areas.
Just like financial derivatives created during the era of the ownership society. Mix the bad housing loans with the good ones, bundle them up. Now, send the bad blacks to nice communities, just bundle them up with decent people, and pretend all will be well.
In most cases, blacks will not improve much, but the black presence and cultural example will degrade the lower-achieving whites who will emulate trashy black culture and even have mulatto babies.
Anyway, Cons made a huge mistake in helping Libs restore cities.
There was a time when cities, bastions of Liberalism, were falling apart. Many city businesses moved to the suburbs, even setting up headquarters there as suburban middle class didn’t want to commute to dangerous cities.
This boosted Republican power, and cities were on the ropes, desperately trying to survive.
But once cities began to revive, the big money flowed back in downtown areas and gentrified areas. Cities gained power over the suburbs and began to dictate terms. And young people in the suburbs began to move back to the cities, while cities began to work with federal government to move blacks out to the suburbs.
Damn that Giuliani and all those Republicans who helped yuppies revive cities.
US would be better off is Washington DC were still 85% black and if every big city had turned into Detroit.
It doesn't change anything now but the media's cover up of how the banlieues were cleansed is relevant to the media's cover up of the same in the US.
But those subsidies were made possible by tax payers in the suburbs.
In contrast, blacks just soak up all the welfare and subsidies without paying into the system.
Many of the suburbs have their own developers who want to do government high density housing. And then there are the local bureaucrats, educrats, police fire ect that all stand to profit from social problem housing.
Believe it or not there is substantial local support for these projects, usually from people who live near by but not in town and work for the government. A local developer can go from building houses to building apartment complexes. And the local laborers can now get Fed gov mandated wages. Something to think about.
Many of these suburbs have some kind of urban core that has been decaying for years as big box stores replaced Main st stores. That’s where the section 8 apartment complex and maybe a casino will be sited. I kid you not Wilkes Barre Pa thought it was a good idea to have it’s Sherman Hills Sec 8 complex and the Mohegan Sun Casino a few miles apart.
I wonder where in Glenview they live. There is a trailer park in Glenview. Glenview used to be home to a naval air base, so cheap housing had to be there. OTOH, a subdivision of Glenview which is it’s own municipality is Golf, IL…home of the Western Golf Association.
Ever play Glenview CC? A bit down and back and frankly I have not played it in years. Jim Urbina did a restoration, did some chainsaw work and I am told did great work on the greens.
> Later, a program known as Moving to Opportunity sought to do the same thing [move thousands of poor black families to the suburbs]. But when studies raised questions about the effectiveness of these programs, they ended.
Um. “Studies” “raised questions” about the “effectiveness” of these programs. Then — just like that! — “they ended.”
Via Wikipedia, here’s an excerpt from the abstract of a 2005 study, Neighborhood Effects on Crime for Female and Male Youth: Evidence from a Randomized Housing Voucher Experiment, by J.R. Kling et al.
I wonder if these “violent and property crimes” affected any actual people in these “neighborhood” thingies. Maybe, maybe not, but way too boring to study.
“Sucks to be you” must be good for a chuckle at these Harvard, Princeton, and Georgetown faculty parties. As well as at HUD’s headquarters.
Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database
By Paul Sperry
July 18, 2015 | 4:00pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/
On Drudge FrontPage right now This all relates to section 8 style integration and lots more
By Paul Sperry
July 18, 2015 | 4:00pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/
Still front and center at Dudge front page
White Suburbanites in the Phoenix, Albuquerque, and San Diego metropolitan areas for example who keep up with politics and news are breathing a sigh of relief knowing that their suburban communities will never racially turn into a Ferguson, Missouri. The reason for this is that the San Diego, Albuquerque, and Phoenix city limits/city core never had a very high percentage of Blacks to begin with. The suburbs that will suffer the most from Negrofication are those suburbs located in metropolitan areas where the city core/city limits has a high percentage of Blacks. St. Louis, Chicago and Dallas city proper have a large Black enough population percentage wise that if you ship them off to the suburbs they can do a lot of demographic damage.
I can’t believe Steve didn’t point out this gem:
Everyone’s favorite researching giving the media and government the ammo it needs to move poor minorities into white neighborhoods.
In the words of Obama, “She didn’t build that!”
But isn’t low-density public housing in the suburbs better than the Cabrini version, even if we all get to smile at the rich people benefiting personally while congratulating themselves on their generosity of spirit? You said yourself, Steve, that the chief problem with being poor is that you have poor neighbors. The Cabrini model increases that problem by an order of magnitude. Is there no way to disperse poor blacks into areas where middle-class behavior can be modeled for them without turning those areas into Ferguson, MO? We should try not to let those areas arrive at the poor black density of Ferguson.
This is a founding population, who were here long before most of our ancestors were. They deserve some measure of sympathetic attention, no matter how seemingly intractable their problems.
You/we need to accept that these people are cancer. Cancer isn't good or evil, it doesn't have agency(neither do these people, let's be honest), it simply kills you.
They should be allowed to fail.
The big downside will be a decline in public-spiritedness. White communities are more willing to invest in public projects like libraries, parks, community centers, etc., because they know those places won't be overtaken by the riff-raff. The other downside will be a more authoritarian state.
Now having poor neighbors will be a big problem of the middle class, too.
Section 8 doesn't fix a community. By dispersing the problem, it just increases size of the area that has problems. Old style public housing kept the problem people contained.
I've seen how rapidly Section can utterly destroy a large community. I've seen a major neighborhood go from respectable middle-class to ghetto in just six years.Replies: @Threecranes
Obama should’ve moved to the center after the beating in 2014 in order to set up a dem to continue his policies in 2016.
Instead he went hard left and now in response 2016 will be a
rout for non-democrats.
Dems were crushed at the state and local level in 2010 and 2014. They should be looking at a turn in that cycle but Barry’s going to make it worse. The NYPost article info points to a tidal wave angry election in 2016.
Only Trump will probably touch this. It's a third rail of politics. But the third rail is also where the train gets its power from...Replies: @anon, @Hapalong Cassidy
Instead he went hard left"
There is no room for middle of the road Moderates in today's Democratic Party. The Democratic Party puts DINOs out to pasture to never be heard from again. I wish the GOP would do the same thing with it's RINOs.
In The Democratic Party of the 21st Century you either go hard left or you take your ball and go home. The new school Democratic Party is all about Illegal Aliens, Black Bodies, Section 8 Housing, and Chicks With Dicks.
In contrast, blacks just soak up all the welfare and subsidies without paying into the system.Replies: @vinny
That’s cool, the f35 was made possible by tax dollars from the suburbs too. call up the DOD with your suggestions for that project and see how far you get.
Anyway, they’re finally thinking that you can eliminate pollution by dispersion. Don’t buy HUD a giant smokestack and expect them not to use it.
African-Americans still favor gun control, but views are shifting
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/r-african-americans-still-favor-gun-control-but-views-are-shifting-2015-7#ixzz3gJDQeTZT
The biggest problem is that bringing morlocks to live among the eloi will result in suffering and degradation for eloi.
And The Atlantic has a very conveniently short memory. From our girl at The Atlantic, Hannah Rosin:
American Murder Mystery
Why is crime rising in so many American cities? The answer implicates one of the most celebrated antipoverty programs of recent decades.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/
And we readers of this blog know which celebrated antipoverty program that might be. After a bit of a build up in how crime had moved out of the big cities like New York and the mid-size cities “became the South Bronx”, Rosin wrote this about a Univ of Memphis Criminology Professor who just happened to be dating a public housing administrator.
“About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.”
Ms Rosin’s data and story show that where the Section 8 goes, crime follows.
Hannah Rosin!!! Go figure. And you gotta figure that if Hannah knows this about Section 8 then the HNIC must know it also.
They know and the media know and they are pushing it anyway.Replies: @Pete
It used to be that lower class Blacks tried to emulate upper class Blacks, and particularly Middle Class respectability — classic Biblical names, bourgeois behavior, etc. Now it seems even the President needs to emulate street thugs and crave “keeping it real” credibility.
This will not end well. The problem of Black crime has a simple, but unsolvable origin. The idea that “to be a man, you have to make a life, and take a life.” The criminality in the Urban Black underclass is not primarily oriented by money, but by sex. The most brutal and feared killers get the most women; that’s the race to the bottom in an r-selected society.
AT BEST this has the makings of pushing Whites into r-selection, and everyone lives an integrated Judge Dredd life in Mega City One. Perhaps Ma-Ma* will run things in Peachtree Towers. That’s the best case scenario. Others are far, far worse.
In the short run, this will make suburban White homeowners very, very much poorer. Trapped because unlike the 1960s and 1970s, there is no easy credit and expanding economy to allow White Flight. Try getting a mortgage while being White and not possessing a perfect credit rating. Making a lot of people poorer, and trapped, is a guarantee of political/social instability, with all that entails.
But hey, a few politically connected developers will make money, lawyers will make money suing everyone for racial disparities, and Obama gets to stick it to Whitey for the pain, the trauma, of an 8 am tee time in Hawaii growing up the hood. At Punahoa Prep. Short term thinking at its worst.
*Dredd was created to show the horrors of Urbanization taken to the extreme. He’s not the hero. He’s Dirty Harry made out and out Fascist Nightmare, but one needed because of the depravity induced by a society that is totally urban. Of course, men and boys think he’s cool, well because he is, but his society is a horror show without any redeeming qualities whatsoever, which is the point of the character in the first place.d
Instead he went hard left and now in response 2016 will be a
rout for non-democrats.
Dems were crushed at the state and local level in 2010 and 2014. They should be looking at a turn in that cycle but Barry's going to make it worse. The NYPost article info points to a tidal wave angry election in 2016.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson
If the Asians of NoVa revolt against Section 8 lebensraum, we may have a GOP president.
Only Trump will probably touch this. It’s a third rail of politics. But the third rail is also where the train gets its power from…
So is the motivation here simple short term real estae opportunism or is there some kind of master plan to make the poor/black population as diffuse as possible by implementing the “black a block” strategy on a national basis?
Instead he went hard left and now in response 2016 will be a
rout for non-democrats.
Dems were crushed at the state and local level in 2010 and 2014. They should be looking at a turn in that cycle but Barry's going to make it worse. The NYPost article info points to a tidal wave angry election in 2016.Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson
“Obama should’ve moved to the center after the beating in 2014 in order to set up a dem to continue his policies in 2016.
Instead he went hard left”
There is no room for middle of the road Moderates in today’s Democratic Party. The Democratic Party puts DINOs out to pasture to never be heard from again. I wish the GOP would do the same thing with it’s RINOs.
In The Democratic Party of the 21st Century you either go hard left or you take your ball and go home. The new school Democratic Party is all about Illegal Aliens, Black Bodies, Section 8 Housing, and Chicks With Dicks.
It isn’t that easy to get Housing Choice Vouchers. (aka Section 8)
The number of vouchers nationally is around 2 million. Of these, 1 million are for seniors. And some for the disabled, veterans, &c. They aren't funding more of them. They are going to be down by 70,000 because of the sequestration. And then, various attempts to raise funding has fallen flat, with nominal budget increases cut via reduction of other cross subsidies.
Take this with a grain of salt. But, the CHA is as dead as Cabrini-Green. They seem to have reached a deal where they get to keep enough projects to retain jobs if they convert them to senior housing. Senior housing does not allow children. Basically, they aren't much of a problem.
And since the number of units/vouchers isn't increasing, people with benefits are getting older. Lowering the number of subsidized individuals with families that include males in their peek crime years.
Then. Chicago has somehow ... ended up with a vibrant hispanic area between the South and North.And then ... we have the major reform of moving section 8 (BTW, now a racial slur) people to the burbs.
But even more than that .... The CHA's website advertises other section 8 areas with *no* wait lists. http://affordablehousingonline.com/open-section-8-waiting-lists.
The net/net of all this is pretty fucking transparent. Chicago has too damn much land to use the San Francisco method of just pricing out all the problems. All good, liberal causes. Pro immigrant/hispanic. Who is against helping the seniors? And ... for those that just can't wait ... we will help you find a city that has openings for new section 8 vouchers.
Note that there is a lottery every few years to just get on the wait list. We are not talking about people with the financial resources to wait around for years. Plus, the mere paperwork of getting section 8 selects for people that can deal with some rules and paperwork.
Chicago is also complex in that it has a lot of european and asian vibrancy. It is all too complicated for me, but their neighborhoods aren't going to just roll over.
NY area housing officials used to encourage their charges to move to the Poconos and other towns in outer reaches of the metro area. Many now sport Section 8 mini ghettoes.Replies: @prosa123
Let’s put this into shorthand. They want to turn the suburbs into Ferguson, MO
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.
This is more complex then meets the eye. The CHA seems to have a big push for senior housing. There can be NO DISCRIMINATION for family composition, with one exception. Senior housing designed and rented to residents 62 years old and above.
The number of vouchers nationally is around 2 million. Of these, 1 million are for seniors. And some for the disabled, veterans, &c. They aren’t funding more of them. They are going to be down by 70,000 because of the sequestration. And then, various attempts to raise funding has fallen flat, with nominal budget increases cut via reduction of other cross subsidies.
Take this with a grain of salt. But, the CHA is as dead as Cabrini-Green. They seem to have reached a deal where they get to keep enough projects to retain jobs if they convert them to senior housing. Senior housing does not allow children. Basically, they aren’t much of a problem.
And since the number of units/vouchers isn’t increasing, people with benefits are getting older. Lowering the number of subsidized individuals with families that include males in their peek crime years.
Then. Chicago has somehow … ended up with a vibrant hispanic area between the South and North.
And then … we have the major reform of moving section 8 (BTW, now a racial slur) people to the burbs.
But even more than that …. The CHA’s website advertises other section 8 areas with *no* wait lists. http://affordablehousingonline.com/open-section-8-waiting-lists.
The net/net of all this is pretty fucking transparent. Chicago has too damn much land to use the San Francisco method of just pricing out all the problems. All good, liberal causes. Pro immigrant/hispanic. Who is against helping the seniors? And … for those that just can’t wait … we will help you find a city that has openings for new section 8 vouchers.
Note that there is a lottery every few years to just get on the wait list. We are not talking about people with the financial resources to wait around for years. Plus, the mere paperwork of getting section 8 selects for people that can deal with some rules and paperwork.
Chicago is also complex in that it has a lot of european and asian vibrancy. It is all too complicated for me, but their neighborhoods aren’t going to just roll over.
I left the wrong impression, above. There are some administrators that don’t care if tenants are evicted and then disappear — since they can be replaced so easily.
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.Replies: @fnn, @anon, @BB753, @Anon, @BurplesonAFB
Those are kinds of places coveted by the Somalis once the towns grow beyond a minimal population. They have the refugee resettlement racket orgs to scout for them.
Not mine. And they weren’t a founding population, any more than the Amerinds were. They were almost all slaves until 186x. That deserves either reparations, or praise, but not both. Fortunately, reparations have already been paid in full, in the form of a massive transfer of wealth from whites to blacks over the last 60+ years.
The gov’t seems determined to make that impossible, and force a nomadic lifestyle onto whites. Their version of The Walking Dead. Fortunately, the gov’t is (at worst) very close to a nice long downslope in revenue, which will make their goals less and less achievable.
I didn’t know that you could apply from anywhere in country but I do know that they’re portable. One of the new trends is for blacks in Chicago to get a voucher than move to Dallas area. Sandra Bland, the woman blacks think was murdered in a police cell and the family that hosted the pool party in McKinney are recent transplants from Chicago. The McKinney family are confirmed to be on Section 8.
NY area housing officials used to encourage their charges to move to the Poconos and other towns in outer reaches of the metro area. Many now sport Section 8 mini ghettoes.
Cabrini-Green had almost the best location in all of Chicago for being situated near potential jobs in all directions and had practically to-your-front-door public transportation to any part of the city by bus and train. It was centrally located. Problem was most of them never wanted to work all that much anyway nor did most have any sort of regular work habits.
Chicago is full of high-rises yet yet there’s no problem except when you have the wrong sort of people living there. Section 8 is a real lottery-winner so obviously it’s popular. However, there’s a waiting list and it could take years to get called up. Think of what sort of people a program like that attracts, the types who have a lifelong commitment to being on government assistance and who will sit on their rear end for years waiting for their turn. How many normal people think in terms of ‘yeah, I better put my application in now because in five years I’ll still be on welfare’? It never occurs to them that they might have a real job in the future.
They feature the woman in the article but there’s no mention of any father; not around, apparently. It’s all single mothers. There’s never any requirement that people act responsibly. It’s only a question of how best to serve them.
Ever play Glenview CC? A bit down and back and frankly I have not played it in years. Jim Urbina did a restoration, did some chainsaw work and I am told did great work on the greens.Replies: @Zed, Lord of the Brutals
Glenview PD spends a disproportionate amount of effort on that trailer park. Also, it seems to be well isolated, in effect, if not in distance. The new construction at The Glen (former NAS Glenview) seems to have sucked the life from old downtown Glenview.
You don’t fix cancer by dispersing it. You cut it out and kill it with poison and radiation.
You/we need to accept that these people are cancer. Cancer isn’t good or evil, it doesn’t have agency(neither do these people, let’s be honest), it simply kills you.
They should be allowed to fail.
Pollution doesn’t self propagate.
Great plan – move unproductive Section 8 holders out of the city and into suburbs for them to deal with. Under Obama’s new racial housing jihad, resistance will be followed by lawsuits and consent decrees. Then 25 years later when everyone notices that this made almost no dent whatsoever in the fortunes of the black underclass, find some other mechanism to put the screws to the white majority in the name of justice.
they are totally shameless
The suburbs came about because the media’s lies prevented anything being done about black youth crime.
If Chicago were to build projects far from city where no one lives, there would be no problem.
The problem is they are building housing complexes where decent people have already settled down, and the main reason why they settled in the suburbs is because they were trying to get away from black crime.
And they worked and paid their own way, thus proving that they are responsible people.
But these inner city blacks have proven they aren't good at anything. They just suck up welfare and raise lousy kids. They've demonstrated that they need others to do everything for them--just like Africans migrating to Europe because they can't do anything for themselves.
If they are decent people, why can't they work, save, and raise kids right? If they did that, their own communities in the city would be nice and livable. After all, Chinatowns were ghettos too but the Chinese didn't run their communities into hellholes. Even Mexicans don't destroy communities as badly as blacks do.
Or, if they're decent people, they'd pay their own way to live in the suburbs. Since they've proven their worth as workers and savers, they might make decent neighbors.
These inner city blacks mess up entire parts of cities, and urban gentry doesn't want them. They prefer that blacks move out of prime real estate so they can build more luxury condos there for their own kind. Just ship the black problem to other areas.
Just like financial derivatives created during the era of the ownership society. Mix the bad housing loans with the good ones, bundle them up. Now, send the bad blacks to nice communities, just bundle them up with decent people, and pretend all will be well.
In most cases, blacks will not improve much, but the black presence and cultural example will degrade the lower-achieving whites who will emulate trashy black culture and even have mulatto babies.
Anyway, Cons made a huge mistake in helping Libs restore cities.
There was a time when cities, bastions of Liberalism, were falling apart. Many city businesses moved to the suburbs, even setting up headquarters there as suburban middle class didn't want to commute to dangerous cities.
This boosted Republican power, and cities were on the ropes, desperately trying to survive.
But once cities began to revive, the big money flowed back in downtown areas and gentrified areas. Cities gained power over the suburbs and began to dictate terms. And young people in the suburbs began to move back to the cities, while cities began to work with federal government to move blacks out to the suburbs.
Damn that Giuliani and all those Republicans who helped yuppies revive cities.
US would be better off is Washington DC were still 85% black and if every big city had turned into Detroit.Replies: @anon
They were built to house the native working class away from the nice center. The native working class were eradicated later by mass immigration leaving the current situation.
It doesn’t change anything now but the media’s cover up of how the banlieues were cleansed is relevant to the media’s cover up of the same in the US.
The people promoting this policy know it will get white children beaten, raped or killed.
American Murder Mystery
Why is crime rising in so many American cities? The answer implicates one of the most celebrated antipoverty programs of recent decades.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/american-murder-mystery/306872/
And we readers of this blog know which celebrated antipoverty program that might be. After a bit of a build up in how crime had moved out of the big cities like New York and the mid-size cities "became the South Bronx", Rosin wrote this about a Univ of Memphis Criminology Professor who just happened to be dating a public housing administrator.
"About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots."
Ms Rosin's data and story show that where the Section 8 goes, crime follows.
Hannah Rosin!!! Go figure. And you gotta figure that if Hannah knows this about Section 8 then the HNIC must know it also.Replies: @anon
Exactly.
They know and the media know and they are pushing it anyway.
NY area housing officials used to encourage their charges to move to the Poconos and other towns in outer reaches of the metro area. Many now sport Section 8 mini ghettoes.Replies: @prosa123
There is not much Section 8 multifamily housing in the Poconos. While quite a few minorities (and others) have moved to the region from New York, they’ve mainly moved to (relatively) inexpensive single-family houses, just about the only semi-affordable housing in the entire metropolitan area.
A large number of blacks in the Poconos, and especially in PMSD are basically defrauding the school district by parking their kids with relatives and friends to get them out of the Bronx schools where the parent(s) still lives.
Hence the appalling mess known as A Pocono Country Place.
Only Trump will probably touch this. It's a third rail of politics. But the third rail is also where the train gets its power from...Replies: @anon, @Hapalong Cassidy
They’re not going to do it in Asian areas.
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.Replies: @fnn, @anon, @BB753, @Anon, @BurplesonAFB
The future is a database showing which towns have too high a percentage of white people wherever they are – so no, you’re wrong.
“Matholic”
heh
Alright everyone, reset your counters to zero and start your stopwatches.
If black on black violence is caused solely by proximity and if it’s true that blacks carry their violence with them wherever they go, then relocating blacks to white neighborhoods should result in an increase in the rate of violence towards whites.
Will there be a spike in black on white violent crime as in NYC in the soft-on-crime 1970’s? This should be the perfect social experiment to prove that.
And of course it follows that this time for sure, ten or twenty years hence, liberals will realize that their tinkering had failed, their grasp of the facts tenuous, their reasoning faulty and the scales will fall from their eyes…..
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.Replies: @fnn, @anon, @BB753, @Anon, @BurplesonAFB
Right on! Remember when Ferguson was in flames, with the Eye of Soros firmly on target, when I said the media and political storm were a concerted real estate scam job? The only way to make any money out of Blacks is to move them around and have them settle then destroy neighborhoods., thus driving prices down. Buy cheap, relocate the vibrancy in suburbs, then make a killing as prices soar. Let’s call it the Negro Shuffle. For the scheme to work to need places to send them to, suburbs or exburbs dying to be enriched by diversity. Let a thousand Fergusons bloom! Billions are at stake.
I prefer "The Emperor's Locusts."
“neighborhood of opportunity” = neighborhood targeted to be flipped inside out for political favors and race politics.
We’ve definitely seen “countries of opportunity” and Europe being transformed into a “continent of opportunity”.
I guess they can do the same with “bank accounts of opportunity” or “families of opportunity”.
Maybe “college diplomas of opportunity”, where government just reassigns diplomas to fulfill race quotas and other social justice causes without this bothersome process of making people trudge through degree plans and complete requisite classes.
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.Replies: @fnn, @anon, @BB753, @Anon, @BurplesonAFB
My wife and I were discussing this last night. Utah, Wyoming, Montana, eastern Washington and Oregon, Vermont, NH, Maine. That may be where we flee if our carefully selected school district in the suburbs of a major Texas city sees major changes in the next 5-10 years.
By Paul Sperry
July 18, 2015 | 4:00pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/On Drudge FrontPage right now This all relates to section 8 style integration and lots moreReplies: @Clyde, @Wilkey
Obama collecting personal data for a secret race database
By Paul Sperry
July 18, 2015 | 4:00pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/
Still front and center at Dudge front page
Only Trump will probably touch this. It's a third rail of politics. But the third rail is also where the train gets its power from...Replies: @anon, @Hapalong Cassidy
The key is to have at least 40% Asian and no more than a smattering of Blacks and Hispanics (preferably the latter) to get a community over the magic 50% nonwhite number. That should be enough to keep the do-gooders away and make for a pretty nice community. Unless they want to come out and say that Asians don’t count as non-white, which most libs don’t have the chutzpah to do – yet.
Squalid people create squalor wherever they go.
I honestly believe that the future will be in the small, unassuming and sparsely populated towns in states like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Maine. Technology will make it more tolerable to live in these places and plenty of people will want to move away from the diversity.Replies: @fnn, @anon, @BB753, @Anon, @BurplesonAFB
You can’t run forever, White man.
Glenview is exactly the kind of rich, liberal, D-voting town (74% for Obama 2012) that a lot of people assume will not get the “affordable housing” treatment. Conclusion: If they can get it in Glenview, they can get it anywhere.
An old girlfriend grew up in Northbrook. Her friend at Glenbrook North started dating a 28 year old Mexican cook that lived in that trailer park when she was 16. So her father moved the family to Australia!
Yes zip codes commit crimes, not actual people. If you drop off 40 thousand Inglewood Blacks into Newport Beach, there will be a zero increase in the crime rate in Newport Beach. Once you get the Black underclass out of bad zip codes and into good zip codes, they all start behaving like Japanese and Singaporean people.
"And yet, it can be hard to convince voucher-holders to move to the suburbs. Boyd worried that she would face racism"
Whatever kind of racism this Black woman will face in the predominantly White suburb of Glenview, Illinois will be nowhere near as bad as the racism that a young White man recently faced in Cincinnati, Ohio when Hussein Obama's sons have gave him a gangsta style beat down that put him in the emergency room in the hospital.
"She still hasn’t found a church she likes—the ones in Glenview are “Catholic or Matholic or who knows what,” she joked."
What she really means is she has not found an African American church in Glenview, Illinois. What she really means by Glenview only has Catholics churches is that it only has Non African American churches.
"But Boyd, who has a disabled son, says all of those obstacles are nothing compared to the piece of mind she’s gotten living in a quiet area with good schools."
So no Black neighborhood in Chicago can offer her the piece of mind of living in a quiet area with good schools. She is such a self hating Aunt JemimaReplies: @FLgeezer
All she has is a “piece of mind”. Enough with the complainin’! LOL
Kill two birds with one stone, have the Catskills opened up to Section 8.
Been to several community board meetings in southern Brooklyn regarding DiBlasio’s attempts to rezone low rise outer boro neighborhoods with huge multi family “affordable” housing. Basically they have lied through their teeth about everything, using the phrase AFFORDABLE SENIOR HOUSING as often as possible. Because who could oppose that, despite the fact that old people are the wealthiest demo there is, and mostly move out of NYC upon retirement. If you can get the building up, the City can then bait and switch, move them under the public Housing Authority (176,000 units, 480,000 residents, roughly 8% of the City’s total population) or if the developers run it, Section 8 (about half that). Both programs are utterly mismanaged, with the NYCHA running annual deficits of between $90 million and $250 million forever. The chief of NYCHA is a typical AA hire who’s only interesting factor is she possesses the same haircut as Wesley Snipes had in “Judge Dredd”. But Diblasio, in the face of no aid from either NY state nor the feds and overwhelming community opposition in every neighborhood across all racial and economic blunders on in an insane attempt to double the City’s stock of “public” housing . Simply NOBODY wants their home’s value destroyed by a bunch of project dwellers ruining their neighborhood.
By Paul Sperry
July 18, 2015 | 4:00pm
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for-a-secret-race-database/On Drudge FrontPage right now This all relates to section 8 style integration and lots moreReplies: @Clyde, @Wilkey
Clyde,
I’m hoping that maybe in a coming election the Republican Party will win control of the House and Senate and put an end to all this bullshit by refusing to fund it.
I’m sure it’s gunna happen soon – real soon.
The end result of forced integration is a more conservative and less racially naive electorate. The South became conservative because people their see how much crime and welfare abuse there is by blacks. The less chance whites have to flee from misbehaving minorities, the more they will demand common sense, no bullshit policies on crime, education, and everything else.
The big downside will be a decline in public-spiritedness. White communities are more willing to invest in public projects like libraries, parks, community centers, etc., because they know those places won’t be overtaken by the riff-raff. The other downside will be a more authoritarian state.
“But isn’t low-density public housing in the suburbs better than the Cabrini version, even if we all get to smile at the rich people benefiting personally while congratulating themselves on their generosity of spirit? You said yourself, Steve, that the chief problem with being poor is that you have poor neighbors.”
Now having poor neighbors will be a big problem of the middle class, too.
Section 8 doesn’t fix a community. By dispersing the problem, it just increases size of the area that has problems. Old style public housing kept the problem people contained.
I’ve seen how rapidly Section can utterly destroy a large community. I’ve seen a major neighborhood go from respectable middle-class to ghetto in just six years.
Now having poor neighbors will be a big problem of the middle class, too.
Section 8 doesn't fix a community. By dispersing the problem, it just increases size of the area that has problems. Old style public housing kept the problem people contained.
I've seen how rapidly Section can utterly destroy a large community. I've seen a major neighborhood go from respectable middle-class to ghetto in just six years.Replies: @Threecranes
“By dispersing the problem, it just increases size of the area that has problems.”
Didn’t Greenspan think that “by dispersing” risk around the world the likelihood of a black swan economic panic would be made negligible?
A mixture probably: some real-estate scammers using SJW true believers to help them make lots of money and a pinch of active anti-whitopia racial hostility as spice.
I read the original Atlantic article. The article was ‘hopeful’ that this ‘experiment’ would get traction. It was the comments that were the most revealing. The danger of this experiment getting any traction in Lake County is minimal. Glenview is unique in a number of ways. Among others, there is a lot of land. And new, mixed development with very large, new malls, and large office complexes.
Greenleaf — the development in the story, is 20 units. It is also ‘affordable’. That is, low income. But it might be ‘mixed’ ….. or not strictly section 8. From the article,
Plus, the featured woman — Denise Boyd — moved from Chicago’s North Side. Somehow I doubt if she is even close to the sort of neighbor that people find highly objectionable.
Meanwhile, at least one of theere section 8 places in the article is for the disabled. There are also senior housing that is not part of this program that accepts section 8 vouchers.
The project has been responsible for building 2,047 new apartment units in 30 developments since then. About 467 of those units are reserved for residents making less than half of the area median income.
And does 1/2 of the area’s median income require section 8? i don’t know. But I doubt it.
Denise’s instincts are right in one regard. The ‘good schools’ won’t tolerate objectionable behavior and will get rid of problem kids. They have their ways. Plus, the schools are tracked. Tracking is discouraged or forbidden, of course. But ‘gifted and talented’ isn’t. Neither are AP courses. Yea, they are excellent schools compared to the non elite urban public schools, but they aren’t getting exactly the same treatment.
Just saying.
One more thing. Metra means NOTHING unless you are commuting directly from the suburb to downtown. There is no decent way to go east/west.
Which contains the old Cabrini Green area, which is still somewhat troubled even after Cabrini Green was torn down, and also, partially gentrified, once horrible, and still somewhat troubled Uptown.Replies: @FWIW
Exactly. In every place in the Midwest where I have lived, the housing industry is the biggest beneficiary of these policies. As older towns turn to garbage, including interior suburbs, people continue to move farther from the core, requiring new subdivisions farther and farther out. It’s probably why we invented the term “exurbs.” Real estate loves this stuff.
Correct, except inner city development is where the money really is these days.
Middle class Whites won’t be able to afford to move to safe neighborhoods outside of the cities ( upper class gated communities), never mind move back to the cities. They’ll be stuck in Fergusons all around the country, impoverished, cowed and afraid for their lives every single day.
Elites love to screw the middle class over and make billions in the process.
Elites love to screw the middle class over and make billions in the process."The Democratic Party has become the party of the welfare underclass and the rich fat cat class who want more cheap 3rd world labor. That is why The Democratic Party has launched a war on middle class Whites who make too much money to qualify for food stamps but not enough money to live in neighborhoods that look like Bel Air.
But the Pocono Record show a disproportional number of swarthies in their crime reports.
A large number of blacks in the Poconos, and especially in PMSD are basically defrauding the school district by parking their kids with relatives and friends to get them out of the Bronx schools where the parent(s) still lives.
Hence the appalling mess known as A Pocono Country Place.
Elites love to screw the middle class over and make billions in the process.Replies: @Jefferson
“Middle class Whites won’t be able to afford to move to safe neighborhoods outside of the cities ( upper class gated communities), never mind move back to the cities. They’ll be stuck in Fergusons all around the country, impoverished, cowed and afraid for their lives every single day.
Elites love to screw the middle class over and make billions in the process.”
The Democratic Party has become the party of the welfare underclass and the rich fat cat class who want more cheap 3rd world labor. That is why The Democratic Party has launched a war on middle class Whites who make too much money to qualify for food stamps but not enough money to live in neighborhoods that look like Bel Air.
“Chicago’s North Side. ” (Emphasis on the words “North Side” didn’t carry over.)
Which contains the old Cabrini Green area, which is still somewhat troubled even after Cabrini Green was torn down, and also, partially gentrified, once horrible, and still somewhat troubled Uptown.
Per the Atlantic:Here is one take on it:http://www.journal-topics.com/news/article_4f6d319a-999e-11e3-9585-0017a43b2370.html
"The development has no vacancies remaining. It filled five of its units through referrals by the Cook County Housing Authority and two from the state referral network, Daveri officials said.
Daveri also accepts federal housing vouchers (often referred to as Section 8)."
Per the Atlantic:But .. per the Newspaper Article:I would call that more than 'just a peep of objection.' This particular 20 unit development may have been part of the deal for greasing the skids for the massive development of standard suburban development in the area.
As far as the location .. it is in a townhouse area bound by I 294, Milwaukee Ave., The DesPlains River/Preserve on the other side of Milwaukee, and Allstate to the North. It is on the wrong side o 294. I would say without a car, you are basically fucked. There are some sketchy looking retail on Saunders and Milwaukee. It is a major hike to the Whole Foods or Trader Joes.
I couldn't find a picture of anything that looked like this on Google Map, but the pictured townhouse look better than what is there (not by much).
Which contains the old Cabrini Green area, which is still somewhat troubled even after Cabrini Green was torn down, and also, partially gentrified, once horrible, and still somewhat troubled Uptown.Replies: @FWIW
North Side Section 8 doesn’t mean much .. but it looked to me like they cherry picked both the example/interviewee and the housing. Denise looks above average, and the 20 unit thing … nothing that will cause significant problems. Especially if it is ‘affordable’ and ‘mixed’ AND some of the section 8 set asides are filled with elderly. There are also a shitload of rules for Section 8 … that can be enforced as needed. Obviously, you couldn’t use the rules to empty a project like Cabrini Green, but on a small unit? Possible, at least. And, the Section 8 tenants like Denise moved because her Chicago building was a little ‘too busy’ at night. She isn’t going to protest a rowdy tenant getting evicted.
Per the Atlantic:
Here is one take on it:http://www.journal-topics.com/news/article_4f6d319a-999e-11e3-9585-0017a43b2370.html
“The development has no vacancies remaining. It filled five of its units through referrals by the Cook County Housing Authority and two from the state referral network, Daveri officials said.
Daveri also accepts federal housing vouchers (often referred to as Section 8).”
Per the Atlantic:
But .. per the Newspaper Article:
I would call that more than ‘just a peep of objection.’ This particular 20 unit development may have been part of the deal for greasing the skids for the massive development of standard suburban development in the area.
As far as the location .. it is in a townhouse area bound by I 294, Milwaukee Ave., The DesPlains River/Preserve on the other side of Milwaukee, and Allstate to the North. It is on the wrong side o 294. I would say without a car, you are basically fucked. There are some sketchy looking retail on Saunders and Milwaukee. It is a major hike to the Whole Foods or Trader Joes.
I couldn’t find a picture of anything that looked like this on Google Map, but the pictured townhouse look better than what is there (not by much).
“The only way to make any money out of Blacks is to move them around and have them settle then destroy neighborhoods., thus driving prices down. Buy cheap, relocate the vibrancy in suburbs, then make a killing as prices soar. Let’s call it the Negro Shuffle.”
I prefer “The Emperor’s Locusts.”
An acceptable answer, if not ideal.
A bunch of quickies (since this thread is pretty stale now):
1) We actually know how to cure poverty — keep the poor from having kids!
Welfare support comes with the price tag of sterilization–you can’t support yourself\your kids, then that’s it for you. Promote fertility for smarter, more conscientious women with husbands who are smart\conscientious–have jobs–and in a few generations … your population is smarter, more conscientious.
2) Public housing is just a stupid policy — it’s permanent infantilization.
Your parents put a roof over your head. Being an “adult” means you do it. When the state takes over doing it, it more or less creates a class of people who never–perhaps don’t have the wherewithal–to grow up and take responsibility for themselves. And allows them to reproduce–and reproduce more–where they otherwise could not.
3) Spreading blacks is incoherent with the ideology of the left.
The left has trashed the idea of assimilation (to white Anglo norms). It has ideas like “cultural imperialism” and the value of “diversity”. Plus the ideology of “racism!”–that black problems are because of whites. So what’s up then with this idea that blacks benefit from being moved in tiny pieces to white neighborhoods and dropped in white schools? Are you saying blacks should learn how to behave from their white neighbors?
The only answer here that squares with leftist ideology is that rather than being to change blacks–improve their behavior–it’s to attack white neighborhoods and tear them down with “diversity”.
4) The way you actually manage “diversity” is … let people be!
It’s better–much, much, much, much, much better–to have a coherent nation. But if you’re stuck with “diversity”, the only successful model for managing it is sort of Ottoman Empire style–each community is left to be responsible for itself, for policing itself, and better control it’s people … or else! That model more or less worked for hundreds of years.
Instead we have a totalitarian left which just thrives–and gets off on–jamming people together creating conflict and then micromanagingly bossing everyone around dictating their behavior to the last little iota. It’s just a totalitarian hell. For god’s sake leave us the hell alone!
5) Blacks are a two edged sword.
Blacks have been the cudgel (mixing metaphors) of the left\Democrats\Jews to bash white Christians, their culture and the idea of a nation. “Slavery”, “Jim Crow”, “racism!”
But blacks are also the group that makes it crystal clear that racial and cultural differences are real–and can be *very unpleasant*, not just ethnic restaurants. Especially after 50+ years of liberals owning public policy, every year more whites are waking up to the reality that they aren’t responsible for blacks, can’t fix black behavior and–a bit deeper–have their own, much better race\culture which they should prize and preserve.
6) Section 8 is–potentially–a political gold mine for conservatives.
The natural–sane–reaction of conservatives should be to do their duty to protect their constituents and shut this POS down. However, it’s also true that this program provides a very nice demonstration of the actual “benefits of diversity” and serve to radicalize, racialize and Republicanize whites.
What the Republicans should really do is find a way to do what all good policy should do–make the people responsible bear the costs.. The obvious way to do this would be for section 8 to only be available *in congressional districts whose congressmen vote for it*. (That doesn’t completely do the trick because it would allow congressmen from “limousine liberal” districts to opt out. So what the Republicans really need to do is make it applicable only in districts where your Congressman votes for it or his party votes for it. Granted that’s a tougher sell, but would be a wonderful “make those responsible bear the costs” policy.)
[In general the Republican party has become an even more pathetic “me too” party, that’s really incompetent not just at looking after the interests of its voters, but even at simply taking and on and highlighting that crappy policies and ultimate logic (illogic) of the left\big-state\diversity party.]
It is the micromanagement aspect that creates a slow, steady transfer of responsibility, and thus power, from culture to government. They create problems by stripping away culture, then offer to solve those problems with more government. Actually solving the problem, however, would be counterproductive to the continuation of power transfer.
All of this is based on the underlying structure of liberalism. It is the Republicans who try to get you to vote FOR them, neutering themselves in the process. Liberals try to convince you that you are unhappy, an oppressed victim yearning to be free. They want you to vote AGAINST the status quo. Vote against your unhappiness. Change is good, even if it's never quite specified how that change is going to help you. Just vote against the culture that is oppressing you.
And the power transfer continues.
Many (most) affluent suburbs don’t have commuter rail or “intra-metro freeways.” Suburbs get prosperous by attracting responsible, prosperous people who support a good tax base and good schools.
Liberals are under the impression that successful attributes — working hard, studying, delaying gratification — are an aura that can be absorbed from the right ground or proximity to the right people.
Welfare support comes with the price tag of sterilization--you can't support yourself\your kids, then that's it for you. Promote fertility for smarter, more conscientious women with husbands who are smart\conscientious--have jobs--and in a few generations ... your population is smarter, more conscientious.2) Public housing is just a stupid policy -- it's permanent infantilization.
Your parents put a roof over your head. Being an "adult" means you do it. When the state takes over doing it, it more or less creates a class of people who never--perhaps don't have the wherewithal--to grow up and take responsibility for themselves. And allows them to reproduce--and reproduce more--where they otherwise could not.3) Spreading blacks is incoherent with the ideology of the left.
The left has trashed the idea of assimilation (to white Anglo norms). It has ideas like "cultural imperialism" and the value of "diversity". Plus the ideology of "racism!"--that black problems are because of whites. So what's up then with this idea that blacks benefit from being moved in tiny pieces to white neighborhoods and dropped in white schools? Are you saying blacks should learn how to behave from their white neighbors?
The only answer here that squares with leftist ideology is that rather than being to change blacks--improve their behavior--it's to attack white neighborhoods and tear them down with "diversity".4) The way you actually manage "diversity" is ... let people be!
It's better--much, much, much, much, much better--to have a coherent nation. But if you're stuck with "diversity", the only successful model for managing it is sort of Ottoman Empire style--each community is left to be responsible for itself, for policing itself, and better control it's people ... or else! That model more or less worked for hundreds of years.
Instead we have a totalitarian left which just thrives--and gets off on--jamming people together creating conflict and then micromanagingly bossing everyone around dictating their behavior to the last little iota. It's just a totalitarian hell. For god's sake leave us the hell alone!5) Blacks are a two edged sword.
Blacks have been the cudgel (mixing metaphors) of the left\Democrats\Jews to bash white Christians, their culture and the idea of a nation. "Slavery", "Jim Crow", "racism!"
But blacks are also the group that makes it crystal clear that racial and cultural differences are real--and can be *very unpleasant*, not just ethnic restaurants. Especially after 50+ years of liberals owning public policy, every year more whites are waking up to the reality that they aren't responsible for blacks, can't fix black behavior and--a bit deeper--have their own, much better race\culture which they should prize and preserve.6) Section 8 is--potentially--a political gold mine for conservatives.
The natural--sane--reaction of conservatives should be to do their duty to protect their constituents and shut this POS down. However, it's also true that this program provides a very nice demonstration of the actual "benefits of diversity" and serve to radicalize, racialize and Republicanize whites. What the Republicans should really do is find a way to do what all good policy should do--make the people responsible bear the costs.. The obvious way to do this would be for section 8 to only be available *in congressional districts whose congressmen vote for it*. (That doesn't completely do the trick because it would allow congressmen from "limousine liberal" districts to opt out. So what the Republicans really need to do is make it applicable only in districts where your Congressman votes for it or his party votes for it. Granted that's a tougher sell, but would be a wonderful "make those responsible bear the costs" policy.) [In general the Republican party has become an even more pathetic "me too" party, that's really incompetent not just at looking after the interests of its voters, but even at simply taking and on and highlighting that crappy policies and ultimate logic (illogic) of the left\big-state\diversity party.]Replies: @Ozymandias
“Instead we have a totalitarian left which just thrives–and gets off on–jamming people together creating conflict and then micromanagingly bossing everyone around dictating their behavior to the last little iota.”
It is the micromanagement aspect that creates a slow, steady transfer of responsibility, and thus power, from culture to government. They create problems by stripping away culture, then offer to solve those problems with more government. Actually solving the problem, however, would be counterproductive to the continuation of power transfer.
All of this is based on the underlying structure of liberalism. It is the Republicans who try to get you to vote FOR them, neutering themselves in the process. Liberals try to convince you that you are unhappy, an oppressed victim yearning to be free. They want you to vote AGAINST the status quo. Vote against your unhappiness. Change is good, even if it’s never quite specified how that change is going to help you. Just vote against the culture that is oppressing you.
And the power transfer continues.
They know and the media know and they are pushing it anyway.Replies: @Pete
They care as much about that as they do the thousands of Americans killed by illegal aliens.
They’ve already decided that Asians don’t count as non-white in college admissions. I wouldn’t put anything past them.
Silly question but where’s dad?