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From The Atlantic:

Girl Scouts: Still Mostly White
The 104-year-old organization is having trouble recruiting black and Latina kids. Why?

ALEXIA FERNÁNDEZ CAMPBELL 10:00 AM ET NEXT AMERICA: COMMUNITIES

Hillary Clinton. Madeleine Albright. Sandra Day O’Connor. These powerful women have all shaped the course of the United States. And they have something else in common: They were all Girl Scouts.

The girls’ leadership organization has more than 2 million current scouts and 59 million living alumnae. Nearly half of all American women have been Girl Scouts at some point in their lives. Their uniforms, badges, and cookies are synonymous with what it means to be an American girl. Or at least a white, suburban American girl.

Girl Scouts has been losing members for more than a decade as it struggles to reach the new American girl, who is more likely than ever to be an ethnic minority or come from poor, immigrant families. Unlike many scouts who followed in their mother’s footsteps, these girls and their parents have few connections to the 104-year-old organization. And the Girl Scouts can’t seem to find enough volunteers to lead troops for all the girls on the waiting list.

Declining membership is hardly unique to the Girl Scouts—membership in most youth groups is down. To stay relevant, the Girls Scouts has revamped its outdoor-oriented programs to include STEM activities and financial-literacy education. It has also made an aggressive push to reach underserved communities, meaning poorer, ethnic minorities.

It hired its first Latina CEO in 2011 and local councils began organizing all-Spanish-speaking scout troops. Most program materials are also available in Spanish. You’d be hard-pressed to find a photo on its website that doesn’t prominently show a smiling African American or Hispanic girl. …

Even though the organization’s researchers have highlighted the need to reflect the “changing face of girls” in America, Girl Scouts are still mostly white. The percentage of Latina scouts (12 percent) and African American scouts (11 percent) has hardly budged in the past four years, according to annual data released by the organization. (About 12 percent of scouts chose not to report their race.) Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina.

Scouting, going back to Baden Powell and the Boer War, is a very Anglo thing, involving volunteering, nature, citizenship, conservation, and so forth. In recent decades, the Girl Scouts have been highly feminist.

As Harvard professor Robert “Bowling Alone” Putnam discovered to his horror 15 years, none of this appeals much to Mexicans.

 
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  1. This is why rich white parents get their daughters into soccer and lacrosse.

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    • Replies: @rvg
    Where they will have then orgies with that hot Nigerian midfielder and his bros?
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    • Replies: @Rolando
    Scouting will not be big in France 20 years from now. Most of the white girls will have left France for Quebec and the U.S.
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  3. The 11% black participation rate is about what their total percent of US population isn’t it? And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?

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    • Replies: @gruff
    I notice they don't mention the percentage of Asian Scouts. Wonder what it is.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?
     
    I don't even want to think what "retried" beans might be!
    , @Truth
    "And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?"

    You can't retry beans, we have double-jeopardy laws.
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  4. Declining membership is hardly unique to the Girl Scouts—membership in most youth groups is down.

    Not just youth groups, but all community-focused groups. Here are some graphs from one of Robert Putnam’s papers.

    They’re missing the bigger picture.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    When I was growing up, my father was a Rotarian and seemed to really love it. I felt really disconnected in my rootless suburb a few months back and decided to look up the local Rotary group. I closed the browser as soon as I saw it was all women. I don't need that headache.
    , @Olorin
    That's because "community focus" has been replaced by the prevailing commu-prog secular state establishment religion.

    I used to volunteer extensively through the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, and into the early Aughts.

    These days I don't bother. There are no groups or organizations that represent my interests anymore, and my interests, like my race and sex, have been redefined as imperialist patriarchal cis-normative hatecrime macroaggressions. Even shooting sports, sailing, and woodworking groups have been infiltrated by people who care more about ideology than shooting, sailing, and making heirlooms out of trees.

    I actually had someone tell me in 2009 that anyone who constructs a reproduction Goddard/Rhode Island block front desk is committing racism. I never thought I'd live to see the day when "FOAD" would be too weak a retort, but here we are....
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  5. Hepp says:

    While the Boy Scouts appears to have maintained some healthy values, everything I read says that the Girl Scouts has become an SJW outfit, just like organized nunnery in the Catholic church. Every women’s organization that’s not explicitly and self-consciously conservative gets taken over by the highest testosterone manless freaks.

    If Mexicans are repulsed by all this, good for them.

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    • Replies: @SFG
    Interesting point, and quite a good one. I suppose just as men tend to take leadership positions in heavily female professions like library science and teaching, masculine women will take leadership positions in female organizations. Any of the (few) women here care to comment?
    , @Nico
    It's so much worse than that. Girl Scouts of America is all but a lesbian dating circle. No sane parent would allow their daughter into it, and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn't be touching Boy Scouts of America, either.
    , @Olorin
    I'd never allow my daughters near the Girl Scouts. Every last camp counselor, troop leader, bureaucrat, and fundraiser for the organization that I've met in the past 18 years has been a carpet chomper, and proud of it. I've repeatedly heard individuals from these occupations at dinner parties and the like refer to Girl Scout summer camp as "lesbian dating camp."

    The Boy Scouts ought also to be avoided now that they are going in the direction of normalizing homosexuality for boys--or more accurately turning what for many boys is a subject of curiosity or anxiety or temporary interest into a fixed category/"lifestyle" you marry for life, rather than a woman.

    Both organizations have been destroyed because originally they represented N/NW European Americans who valued wilderness experience/skills, self sufficiency, the ability to withstand physical discomfort, evolved egalitarian companionate marriage for life, committed parenting, and wildlife conservation. Nothing of that sort must be allowed to stand, and the SJW fundamentalists, like fundies of all religions, will not stop till they've destroyed everything in their pursuit of helltopia.

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  6. Those demographic numbers, although familiar, are really alarming. Who voted for this radical transformation?

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    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama.
    , @DCThrowback
    Boooooooooooooooooooooomers.
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  7. Anything to avoid writing about Trump and the Sailer Strategy unfolding before your very eyes.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    There has been plenty of digital ink expended on Trump, and there are a few months between now and November. After the nominations are sewn up, we will see how the nominees actually campaign and the strategies they have chosen. Now may be a bit premature. I like a change of pace, even if it's the relentless drum beat of the usual.
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  8. It has also made an aggressive push to reach underserved communities, meaning poorer, ethnic minorities.

    They had better hope that they’re not successful. This looks like a strategy cooked up by people who engage in static analysis. Add more poor minorities onto the existing base of white middle class girls and the organization will increase in size. Meanwhile, in the dynamic universe, as more poor minorities come in the Girl Scouts will likely lose white middle class girls and probably at a rate greater than the gains made by increasing poor minority enrollment.

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    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The only reason we plan on sending our daughters to the Girl Scouts is because they'll meet nice kids. Increasing the number of poor NAMs would be a deal breaker for us.
    , @Bill
    That has to depend on how integrated the troops are (or whatever girl scouts call their local unit of organization). As long as there are NAM troops and white troops and they are separate, this problem won't crop up, at least not right away.
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  9. Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they’d die out. I’m assuming the Girl Scouts have crossed that barrier years ago. I wonder if that could be preventing Mexicans and muslim immigrants from joining.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they’d die out."

    According to the Left, Gay men are only capable of being pedophiles if they are Catholic priests.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    Another organization that went all SJW years ago is the YWCA. I remember taking my 2 year old daughter there for swimming lessons in about 1992 and they had a big sign in the lobby that said something like "Our mission is to fight racism wherever it exists". I thought, WTF?
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  10. Steve, any thoughts on the latest furor over the shooting of an unarmed black man in Cincinnati?

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    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    Through great good luck, the evil cop who shot the Noble Son of Obama was also black. The totally innnocent yoot, who was only doing the bank robbery ti buy more physics books, did pull the trigger on his weapon. as luck would have it, the Dindu had loaded .380 ammo in his .38 special pistol, so he got a hammer strike but a misfire. naturally the local BLMers are prepping to riot, demanding better training for yoots in weapons.
    , @Wally
    You mean the gorilla at the Cincinnati Zoo that was dragging around a white child in the water almost drowning the child?

    If the child had been black there wouldn't be a big deal being made about shooting the gorilla.

    The symbolism is just too 0bvious.

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  11. I wonder how long it took for the Atlantic writer to drum her fingers on her desk before she filled the blank in for “________, Still Mostly White”. Prediction: Crossfit will be profiled within the next year. Somehow I don’t think something like Coin Collecting will exactly inspire clicks.

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    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    "Reading Books, Still Mostly White."
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    In this article about the goofiest SJW dissertations in American academia, there's “Smart Cookies: The Gendered Spaces of Labor, Citizenship, and Nationalism in the Girl Scout Cookie Sale.”

    Also, my prediction that we'll soon hear about how Crossfit is racist, I was close. There's this:

    A new academic paper reveals that Pilates is racist. In “The Pilates Pelvis: Racial Implications of the Immobile Hips,” we learn that “the teaching practices of the hips, as commonly explained in Pilates educational manuals, reinforce behaviors of a noble-class and racially ‘white’ aesthetic.” Apparently, Pilates embodies and enforces “white racial superiority and, specifically, the colonizing, prejudicial, and denigrating mentality found in the superiority of whiteness and its embodied behaviors.”
    , @Chrisnonymous
    That's a interesting prediction about CrossFit. I hadn't considered that possibility before, but it is within the realm.

    Activities like swimming have been getting a pass for years in part because they are beloved by goodwhites and the organizations engage in SJW-proofing. For example, USS swimming has a National Black Heritage Swim Meet, and it engages in the misdirection of promoting the white man's burden of saving black bodies from drowning (obscuring the reality that it's real purpose is facilitating intense competition among whites).

    CrossFit and the Paleo diet movement don't really engage in SJW-proofing, do they? It's interesting as part of their appeal is their "no bullsh-t" image. It would be very difficult for the CrossFit brand to survive if they started engaging in voluntary struggle sessions.

    The interesting thing is that CrossFit seems to exist in a bubble. It's like a distributed country club. If your job is high-stress but sedentary, you can exercise in the presence of other type A people but if your primary problem is the culture of your workplace, you get relief from that too. It's a bubble because it appeals to lots of people who kowtow to the Zeitgeist in other contexts.

    Another interesting thing will be to see what happens if Trump loses. For example, it is quite obvious that Twitter's @ JohnDurant , who has been a leader in the Paleo diet movement for years, reads iSteve, and he's supporting Trump now. Will there be a backlash against Trump supporters like him if Trump loses?
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  12. I thought that’s what the Brownies were for:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_%28Girl_Guides%29

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  13. Dahlia says:

    “In recent decades, the Girl Scouts have been highly feminist.”

    When my oldest girls were of the age to join Girl Scouts, they started openly advocating for Planned Parenthood so that was a non-starter for us and most of our friends.

    My mother, a girl scout back in the 60s, was upset and I explained to her that things weren’t like they were in her time. Many Boomers who don’t pay much attention have little idea how Leftist public school and other civics institutions for youth were for Gen X, Millenials, and reaching fever pitch with this new generation.

    It’s not about being overprotective, but realizing you are absolutely powerless and must withdraw and seek out alternatives for education, civic involvement, meaning, etc.

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    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Is this a flavour of Rod Dreher's "Benedict Option."
    , @Luke Ford
    Orthodox Jews send their children to Orthodox schools and to Orthodox activities and keep them sheltered. As a result, most of them are virgins when they marry -- despite growing up in big cities -- and they rarely turn into feminists and SJWs.

    I just need a little money to start setting up yeshivos for goyim so they too can protect their kids from the filth. I'm willing to share the wisdom of the Torah for a price.

    I've also got scripts and actors for a whole series of movies designed to eroticize each group to its own kind. Tikkun Olam!
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  14. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @TangoMan
    Declining membership is hardly unique to the Girl Scouts—membership in most youth groups is down.

    Not just youth groups, but all community-focused groups. Here are some graphs from one of Robert Putnam's papers.

    http://i.imgur.com/yqdPW8f.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/yEn6o88.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/wlzjGPO.jpg

    They're missing the bigger picture.

    When I was growing up, my father was a Rotarian and seemed to really love it. I felt really disconnected in my rootless suburb a few months back and decided to look up the local Rotary group. I closed the browser as soon as I saw it was all women. I don’t need that headache.

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    • Replies: @TangoMan
    The eradication of male only spaces has a long and storied history. Harvard is now doing its bit by closing down male-only clubs and, in order to be fair, the female-only clubs.

    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.
    , @carol
    It's pretty much 50-50 where I am. Maybe Kiwanis or Lions is more masculine? I tried Rotary for a year but it seemed to attract mainly financial advisors on the make, and other professionals advised to "get out in the community" with their expenses paid by the employer.

    The service projects my particular group went in for were pretty retarded. Also Rotary is a little too peacenicky for me.

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  15. There have been a number of Girl Scout alts that have popped up, without all the prog garbage that comes with the Girl Scouts.

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    How does this liberalism affect the actual activities of Girl Scouts?
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  16. @Hepp
    While the Boy Scouts appears to have maintained some healthy values, everything I read says that the Girl Scouts has become an SJW outfit, just like organized nunnery in the Catholic church. Every women's organization that's not explicitly and self-consciously conservative gets taken over by the highest testosterone manless freaks.

    If Mexicans are repulsed by all this, good for them.

    Interesting point, and quite a good one. I suppose just as men tend to take leadership positions in heavily female professions like library science and teaching, masculine women will take leadership positions in female organizations. Any of the (few) women here care to comment?

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    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    As a woman, I'm commenting with this truism:

    All women's organizations will eventually become feminist organizations, if they haven't done so already. (The only exceptions: explicitly anti-feminist groups such as Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum). That means that they will eventually institutionalize the relentless antagonism toward men that is feminism's hallmark.

    Even conservative women eventually succumb. Witness the accusations of "misogyny" leveled at Donald Trump by prominent conservative-movement women. The word "misogyny" is pure feminist-speak. Or the effort to drum Schlafly out of the Eagle Forum--her own organization--because of her support for Trump.

    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of "legitimate" rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as "rape culture," and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it's statistically more likely that it won't. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.

    Women are super-conformists, and since there is always a certain amount of natural antagonism between the sexes, it's inevitable that most women will pick up the feminist rhetoric of high-status women, nearly all of whom are feminists. It's the invasion of the body-snatchers.
    , @Lagertha
    "calling all women!" I think Girl Scouts is no longer relevant with the suburban girls for several reasons, but most boringly, because of the lack of time. Before I go further, I was a Girl Scout - 1st in Brooklyn, then Jersey, as my father opted to move us to The Shore so he could be equidistant from NYC & Philly & Virginia - which was not such a haul from our base on the coast.

    Girl Scouts was cool in the 70's: we did great canoe/hiking trips to the Delaware Water Gap; Pine Barrens (love those scenes in 'Sopranos' from the Jersey Devil environs!) Winter camping in Moose Head Lake in Maine (along with the Boy Scouts, huzzah!) was so much fun! But, today, most scouting is devoid of all those wildernessy experiences. Liability insurance and the onslaught of Helicopter Parents ruined the "scouting" out of future campers, fracking forever. They just don't get to do ANY cool stuff anymore...and, I dare say, I would not be able to bring along my 9" knife (from Finland, of course) I used to carve stuff, anymore! We always snuck-in booze (those cheap faux leather alpine flasks!) and weed, as did the Boy Scouts - Maine was and is so fracking cold in February.

    Also, today's Middle School and HS girls are way too busy - their schedule is so packed with resume' building experiences and clubs/sports that scouting ends by 8th grade. Brownie's was sweet, Girl Scouts, well...just cut short.

    By HS, girls have to be focused on their sport(s), numerous clubs (language, Civitan, Model UN, Debate, First Robotics....list is endless). Also, they are all involved with music/art/performance. And, they are involved in town with a charity of some kind...and often have a McJob somewhere. It's all about resume' building for the college app - that's it, in a nut shell.

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U's (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female "resume' builders" out there - it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda' , grosses-me out!

    I also, don't have daughters, but all my sons' are friends with these types of uber-driven smart girls, good girls...and, I have met many of them over the years (we have a pool, fire-pit, so my boys have been popular in N.E. for hang-outs in H.S.). And, my sons, like typical males, they're just happy to get accepted at any U who will take them (even the high IQ type)...but their female intellectual peers are in an epic battle to get that "golden ticket." Girls are competing against minority girls as well....and dirty secret: suburban girls will "pay" for every full-scholarship girl. So, math is important in a weird way for Admissions.

    OT: The Elite U's have just realized: white guys aren't even applyin' to their school. I am just relishing this since I saw this happening 10 years ago! Like I said a year ago, someday, there will have to be AA for Christian/non-sectarian white guys as far as elite college apps. Whose gonna event the next yuge thing if their high test scores are ignored in HS????

    Back to: scouting has suffered more for not being cool anymore than anything else. Who wants to put up with PC stuff? Kids are real cynical right now, I mean...really cynical...there is a lot more Hate out there than you would all believe among 17-20 somethings. And, I don't think lesbians or gays matter much in scouting. I don't remember any lesbian or gay (our jamborees with the Boy Scouts) leaders. If anything, in the 70's, the leaders would have their own wine and talk, or weed and walk after "lights out"...it was ALL so cool then. Even my sons have said. "we got robbed; how did you and Dad get to live through the 70's and 80's with the best music, the best vibe, and no PC culture?"

    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    There was a study that showed that professionally successful women and feminists are more masculine than the average woman by studying the digit ratio.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio
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  17. @Haploid
    Anything to avoid writing about Trump and the Sailer Strategy unfolding before your very eyes.

    There has been plenty of digital ink expended on Trump, and there are a few months between now and November. After the nominations are sewn up, we will see how the nominees actually campaign and the strategies they have chosen. Now may be a bit premature. I like a change of pace, even if it’s the relentless drum beat of the usual.

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  18. Look at the bright side.

    No one for years has knocked on my door trying to sell me overpriced cookies

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    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    And Oreo now has a mint cookie that is pretty good.
    , @V Vega

    Look at the bright side.

    No one for years has knocked on my door trying to sell me overpriced cookies
     
    The little ghouls still block my way at Gelson's once a year, trying to confound me with their Girl Scout mind tricks.
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  19. Thin mints, baby!

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    Thin Mints are people!
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  20. Scouting is definitely an Anglo thing in the United States, and to us, a very typically American childhood activity.

    Of course, scouting has been a worldwide phenomenon for over a century, but oddly, it’s not necessarily an “Anglo” thing beyond our shores. It would be natural to assume that the scouting movement strictly followed the British Empire, but the largest contingent of scouts in the world is in Indonesia, which has twice as many as the United States.

    While there is a something of a weak correlation with the British Commonwealth, scouting exists in strength in many other non-Anglo countries too.

    More interesting is the rapidity with which the scouting movement caught on. Indonesia’s scouts date back to before WW I as indeed do the scouts in most of the other major scouting countries. And in most of them, the girl scouts or girl guides organizations were established within a decade of the boys’ organization.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Association_of_Girl_Guides_and_Girl_Scouts_members

    Note also that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by or affiliated to the movement started by Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly in the former East Bloc countries and Communist China. My comments and the links are not about those, just as Steve Sailer’s comments are strictly about scouts in America.

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    • Replies: @sb
    In South East Asia Scouting is very tied up with school and is largely a more or less compulsory part of schooling so the numbers are impressive . Not really comparing apples with apples .
    From what I've seen it appears to be imperative that the uniform remain in pristine condition at all costs ie no outdoorsy rough and tumble type play is encouraged
    , @IA

    . . . so that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by or affiliated to the movement started by Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly in the former East Bloc countries and Communist China.
     
    Where does it say scouts are in Communist China? Taiwan, yes, but not China.
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  21. @ScarletNumber
    This is why rich white parents get their daughters into soccer and lacrosse.

    Where they will have then orgies with that hot Nigerian midfielder and his bros?

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  22. @Kyle a
    The 11% black participation rate is about what their total percent of US population isn't it? And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?

    I notice they don’t mention the percentage of Asian Scouts. Wonder what it is.

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  23. @TangoMan
    It has also made an aggressive push to reach underserved communities, meaning poorer, ethnic minorities.

    They had better hope that they're not successful. This looks like a strategy cooked up by people who engage in static analysis. Add more poor minorities onto the existing base of white middle class girls and the organization will increase in size. Meanwhile, in the dynamic universe, as more poor minorities come in the Girl Scouts will likely lose white middle class girls and probably at a rate greater than the gains made by increasing poor minority enrollment.

    The only reason we plan on sending our daughters to the Girl Scouts is because they’ll meet nice kids. Increasing the number of poor NAMs would be a deal breaker for us.

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    • Replies: @TangoMan
    The Judith Rich Harris strategy - parents can have inordinate influence by shaping the peer networks of their children. Your kid can't fall in with a bad crowd if your kid is never around a bad crowd.
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  24. @Jack Hanson
    There have been a number of Girl Scout alts that have popped up, without all the prog garbage that comes with the Girl Scouts.

    How does this liberalism affect the actual activities of Girl Scouts?

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    The Girl Scouts are the Youth Auxiliary for Planned Parenthood at this point.

    Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can't tell.
    , @bomag
    It was fifteen years ago for me with a daughter in a conservative area. I mostly recall selling cookies and amusement park trips. The projects tended to be the usual liberal starter kits: save the environment; girl empowerment via self confidence and a STEM career; help the poor.
    , @Almost Missouri
    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    That said, it is true that the national (and to a lesser extent regional) organizations are Left-Feminist, but I would characterize it as more of the corporate-type of Left-Feminism than the SJW type. The national organization does not exert that much influence over the individual troops. Not that they are not trying, but as mentioned, the troops are mostly run by the volunteer Troop Leaders who mostly are grown up former Girl Scouts and mostly reiterate what they did growing up, so the Nationals don't get the look-in they would like.

    The National/Regionals also levy a heavy tax on the cookie sales. Most of the cookies' sale price ends up going to that useless overclass of paper-pushing parasites. The Troop doing the actual selling only gets a few pennies on the dollar. Once my Troop realized this, they lost interest in selling cookies for the (wo)Man.

    It is understandable to want to bypass the GS and go with some alternative, and in many cases this may be the right way to go. The GS, however, has an enormous installed base of legacy infrastructure, both tangible and intangible, that none of the alternatives, so far as I know, can yet match. Campsites, headquarters buildings, relationships with other organizations, both domestically and internationally, the brand recognition of the "Scouts" name, all this is the accumulation of over a century of work and goodwill. It is not easy to replace. Ideally, it would be good to take back the Scouts. But I think that (as so much else) has to await a cultural formation where traditional values can sound nice to modern ears.
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  25. From the November 2014 NYT, Why This Troop Leader Quit the Girl Scouts.

    Why have nearly one million youth and adult members left in the last decade? I’m sure it’s complicated, but I have one answer from the trenches. As a former scout leader, the Girl Scouts’ forms overwhelmed me. The Girl Scouts organization has a form and a requirement for everything, and in an era of crazy busy family life, parents do not have time for this.

    The “Readers’ Picks” comments portray the Girl Scouts as a pretty dysfunctional organization, from the adult volunteer’s point of view.

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    When social mores were more restrictive those who violated the mores were instantly recognized as unfit for good company. As we eased up on uptight morality and permitted a wider range of behaviors to fall within acceptable society, it became more troublesome to snoop out the misfits who violated the old standards of morals.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    That's true. The paperwork involved for Girl Scouts is ridiculous and unnecessary, which I'm sure also doesn't help black and Hispanic enrollment.
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  26. @Anon
    When I was growing up, my father was a Rotarian and seemed to really love it. I felt really disconnected in my rootless suburb a few months back and decided to look up the local Rotary group. I closed the browser as soon as I saw it was all women. I don't need that headache.

    The eradication of male only spaces has a long and storied history. Harvard is now doing its bit by closing down male-only clubs and, in order to be fair, the female-only clubs.

    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.

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    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.
     
    It was also much less politically liberal.
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  27. Scouting is a product of urbanization. So are organized team sports. Rural kids don’t need to join organizations to explore the wilds, or kick balls through fields. Its the city kids who get involved in these things.

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    Organized sports have nothing to do with urbanization. There were rural sports teams back in the 1910s. My great grandfather spent his teenage years playing baseball for a local league and his school, my great grandmother played basketball (yes they had women's sports then)

    They lived in a town of maybe 2,000?
    , @Brutusale
    Exactly. In my youth (1960s) we were running around in the woods with our .22 rifles shooting the critters, playing ball, pond hockey, building tree forts, etc. The Boy Scouts were for the kids who sucked at sports and terrible at climbing trees.

    I imagine it still is, and I'm happy it's still there. Youthful trial & error fire-building can sometimes go awry!

    , @rod1963
    I agree it's more of a urban thing. I grew up in a rural area where hiking, playing ball, biking, target shooting were the norm for boys. My father taught me the basic crafts of wood working, metal work and casting.

    Good times, good memories.
    , @Hibernian
    What about 4-H and FFA?
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  28. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    The only reason we plan on sending our daughters to the Girl Scouts is because they'll meet nice kids. Increasing the number of poor NAMs would be a deal breaker for us.

    The Judith Rich Harris strategy – parents can have inordinate influence by shaping the peer networks of their children. Your kid can’t fall in with a bad crowd if your kid is never around a bad crowd.

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  29. A couple of years ago I was at the polls with a friend of mine named Pete. Pete was an older Rockefeller type Republican but despite this, a really good guy. As we always did, we were talking a little inside baseball local politics, when someone who had brought Girl Scout cookies offered Pete and I some Lemonades. Pete ate a few and when the cookies were offered to me I said “No thanks, I don’t support that Lesbian recruitment outfit.” Pete laughed hysterically. I was able to pull up enough material to support the proposition on my phone within a short time that Pete stopped laughing. Unfortunately, he passed away not long after that day.

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    Your revelation killed Pete! Probably because he was a Lesbian, and that hysterical laughing did the trick.
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  30. @ic1000
    From the November 2014 NYT, Why This Troop Leader Quit the Girl Scouts.

    Why have nearly one million youth and adult members left in the last decade? I’m sure it’s complicated, but I have one answer from the trenches. As a former scout leader, the Girl Scouts’ forms overwhelmed me. The Girl Scouts organization has a form and a requirement for everything, and in an era of crazy busy family life, parents do not have time for this.
     
    The "Readers' Picks" comments portray the Girl Scouts as a pretty dysfunctional organization, from the adult volunteer's point of view.

    When social mores were more restrictive those who violated the mores were instantly recognized as unfit for good company. As we eased up on uptight morality and permitted a wider range of behaviors to fall within acceptable society, it became more troublesome to snoop out the misfits who violated the old standards of morals.

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    When social mores were more restrictive those who violated the mores were instantly recognized as unfit for good company.
     
    Social mores are as just as restrictive as they were fifty plus years ago. And one can lose their job and social standing if one violates them. The only difference between now and fifty plus years ago is that the mores have changed.
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  31. @TangoMan
    The eradication of male only spaces has a long and storied history. Harvard is now doing its bit by closing down male-only clubs and, in order to be fair, the female-only clubs.

    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.

    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.

    It was also much less politically liberal.

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    It was also much less politically liberal.

    Having 60 million 3rd world voters getting your back allows the freaks to punch above their weight class. Subtract the 6o million 3rd world voters from the ranks of the Democrats and do you imagine that country club Republicans working in corporations would be on board with the freak-show revolutions launched by liberals? Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don't think so.
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  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    *****Girl Scouts has been losing members for more than a decade as it struggles to reach the new American girl, who is more likely than ever to be an ethnic minority or come from poor, immigrant families.*****

    Until this catastrophic trend is reversed we are doomed to an increasingly dysfunctional society.

    We need this country to get whiter. Back to 90%. Asap

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  33. So people with an outsized sense of entitlement and resentment towards the culture that enables them are uninterested in civic organizations? Something must be done! Ms. Campbell deserves a Pulitzer.

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  34. @Alec Leamas

    Society was much nicer before liberals launched their war on freedom of association.
     
    It was also much less politically liberal.

    It was also much less politically liberal.

    Having 60 million 3rd world voters getting your back allows the freaks to punch above their weight class. Subtract the 6o million 3rd world voters from the ranks of the Democrats and do you imagine that country club Republicans working in corporations would be on board with the freak-show revolutions launched by liberals? Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don’t think so.

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    Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don’t think so.
     
    Uh, Target's headquarters are on the Nicollet Mall in downtown Minneapolis, a block off Hennepin Avenue, which is the Key West of the Midwest. The company depends on its design staff to distinguish it from Walmart.

    When the honchos backed a business-friendly Republican for governor, they didn't stop to think how that staff might take to his also co-sponsoring a marriage amendment. You can imagine the hissy fit that ensued. Bullseye's tail is still between his legs, four years later.

    Voters had nothing to do with it.
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  35. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    How does this liberalism affect the actual activities of Girl Scouts?

    The Girl Scouts are the Youth Auxiliary for Planned Parenthood at this point.

    Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell.

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    "Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell."

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren't old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I'd be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.
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  36. @Kyle a
    The 11% black participation rate is about what their total percent of US population isn't it? And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?

    And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?

    I don’t even want to think what “retried” beans might be!

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    Maybe like a used car 'previously enjoyed'?
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  37. @Kyle a
    The 11% black participation rate is about what their total percent of US population isn't it? And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?

    “And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?”

    You can’t retry beans, we have double-jeopardy laws.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    True, but he is not talking about the judicial process...it is obvious these beans are going to be tortured ("grilled" as some may say) for information - this extra-judicial practice seems to have the backing of some of our populace.
    , @ben tillman
    I hate to encourage you, but that was funny.
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  38. OT via Breitbart: The National Review wakes up and smells the coffee. The “I” word is mentioned several times. If not accepting, at least they have reached the bargaining stage, wanting a smaller, more educated intake of migrants. And maybe to be fair, Trump has not ruled out immigration per se.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435943/conservatives-republican-party-donald-trump-nationalists-intellectuals-working-class

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    That article is from John O'Sullivan. Wasn't he ousted in some fashion, like Steve, like Derb and others?
    , @ATBOTL
    Can't say I agree. O'Sullivan is lying when he claims that NR has advocated less immigratoin since 1991. In reality, there was a purge of immigration restrictionists in the late 90's, when Lowry, Goldberg and Ponuru were put in charge. Since then, NR has pushed an open borders agenda, albiet often indirectly by supporting open borders politicians and showing hostility to genuine immigration restrictionists.

    NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013. They are not moving in the right direction, only dissimulating.

    The article that O'Sullivan links to shows this, praising the defeat of the immigration restrictionist One Nation party in Australia by open borders globalist John Howard.

    Let's stop falling for this BS. O'Sullivan showed his true colors by cheerfully going along with the Lowry era purge. Whatever he did before means nothing.
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  39. And the Girl Scouts can’t seem to find enough volunteers to lead troops for all the girls on the waiting list.

    Declining membership is hardly unique to the Girl Scouts—membership in most youth groups is down.

    Hmmm…

    As Jack Hanson noted, the leadership shortage is due to defections to alternatives. Very similar to the flight from mainline denominations and government schools, and for similar reasons.

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  40. @TangoMan
    It was also much less politically liberal.

    Having 60 million 3rd world voters getting your back allows the freaks to punch above their weight class. Subtract the 6o million 3rd world voters from the ranks of the Democrats and do you imagine that country club Republicans working in corporations would be on board with the freak-show revolutions launched by liberals? Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don't think so.

    Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don’t think so.

    Uh, Target’s headquarters are on the Nicollet Mall in downtown Minneapolis, a block off Hennepin Avenue, which is the Key West of the Midwest. The company depends on its design staff to distinguish it from Walmart.

    When the honchos backed a business-friendly Republican for governor, they didn’t stop to think how that staff might take to his also co-sponsoring a marriage amendment. You can imagine the hissy fit that ensued. Bullseye‘s tail is still between his legs, four years later.

    Voters had nothing to do with it.

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    The liberalism of the Dayton family is also probably in the mix.
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  41. This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don’t see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

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    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.
    , @PiltdownMan

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don’t see that in interracial marriage statistics...
     
    Indians are highly endogamous, as Razib will confirm, with nearly 3,000 groups in the Indian sub-continent that do not marry outside their groups, also known casually as sub-castes.

    While we in the West have long subscribed to the greatly oversimplified colonial description of Indian societies as belonging to four castes,the reality, in terms of mating, is immensely more complex. Hierarchies can be circular, intersect and so on, and it is only under certain circumstances that sub-caste lines are crossed.

    While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America.

    Additionally, there has long been a premium on virginity in both the male and the female in arranged marriages.

    , @AnotherDad

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.
     
    Black girls are easier than Indian girls ... this is news?

    Piltdown went into the cause--caste endogamy--though he overstates how and how much that works with regard to out-marriage to whites for Indians in the West. (Which no doubt varies quite a bit depending on the type of immigrants, their community, how big the community is in the West, their social class, what Western nation they are in and how integrated.)
    , @E. Rekshun
    it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Why would any sane White guy want to do either one?

    , @anon
    Your theory? It's a theory like gravity is a theory. "Diverse" means black, full stop.
    NPR a while ago was lamenting the fact that while the Boston public schools were close to full diversity, at 87% black, its teachers were not diverse at all, with 25% black, another 25% or so hispanic or other non-white and, horror of horrors, a plurality of them white! All of this was said with a straight face, because of course "diverse" means 100% black.
    , @Amasius
    Get an Indian girlfriend? Indian women, besides the ultra-rare Bollywood types, are truly dog ugly. I used to work retail in Microsoft country and I've seen plenty to know. I swear it's less than 1 in 100 I saw that were even mildly sexually attractive. The ratio is higher for black women; at least if they keep themselves in shape they have the body. Dumpy Indians don't even have that. Just horrible all the way around.

    (Was this too hateful, Steve? I'm sorry.)
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  42. blacks and mexicans absolutely love girl scouts , except that just like ebonics they invented their own version. dont expect yall lames and creepy ass crakkkas to know about it tho.

    https://www.medicaljane.com/review/girl-scout-cookies-strain-review/

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  43. @Anonym
    OT via Breitbart: The National Review wakes up and smells the coffee. The "I" word is mentioned several times. If not accepting, at least they have reached the bargaining stage, wanting a smaller, more educated intake of migrants. And maybe to be fair, Trump has not ruled out immigration per se.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435943/conservatives-republican-party-donald-trump-nationalists-intellectuals-working-class

    That article is from John O’Sullivan. Wasn’t he ousted in some fashion, like Steve, like Derb and others?

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    I think he has articles in NR and/or NRO from time to time; he's not a spring chicken and that's probably why you don't see him at either of those two places a lot, plus he is a little more on the conservative side for them than their other writers, the way they've gotten in recent years.
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  44. Years ago the Girl Scouts tried to increase membership by targeting teen mothers. Wrong move. Teen pregnancies have sharply declined.

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    They did this so their daughters would join when they got older?
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  45. @Jefferson
    This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don't see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

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    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.
     
    If that ain't the truth! White men only like white and Asian women. I think this has been shown on dating forums (white men actually prefer Asian).
    , @neutral

    what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.
     
    Big difference between the two, there are some very attractive Indian women out there.
    , @AnotherDad

    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.
     
    Indian women are (obviously) darker than white women and so appear--first glance--less feminine than white women to a white man, simply based on the basic feminine fair, masculine dark schema.

    However, Indian women are a product of the third great civilization--after the West and China--so they have created\selected down through the eons in a civilized patriarchal society to fulfill the feminine role. There are some specific differences you can point to--less severe winter, caste endogamy, arranged marriages--that have no-doubt subtly affected selection relative to whites. But basically Indian women, like white women and Asian women are the products of thousands of years of a selection process that creates "feminine" women, because in civilization women depend on male labor and men value feminine women and so feminine women reproduce.

    Black women in contrast are the product of a selection process outside of civilization, where they mostly supported themselves with tropical hoeing and gardening agriculture and did not depending on male labor for their survival. This selects for a much less feminine--more "bitchy" or more "difficult"--personality, as well as poor marriage stability and the matrilineal child support ("fostering out") pattern.

    Whether a guy finds Indian women attractive--personal taste. But darker skin != non-feminine. Indian women's average femininity is pretty much in the same ballpark as white women. All the flirting, signaling, cues, desires, male and female roles, dominance and submission work exactly as you would expect.
    , @BB753
    Some Hispanic mulattas or quadroons are attractive. Same goes for"pardas" or "mulatinhas", that is, Brazilian blackish girls. Not my cup of tea of tea but I can see some white men being attracted to them. Fine dark features, curves, feminine attitude.. Totally different from the "sistas" you probably find repellent. You can also find some cute Eritrean or Ethipian girls. It's a shame Somalian girls are Muslim, though not totally out of reach for us kafirs.
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  46. The Girl Scouts may want to re-brand themselves along these lines:

    http://nypost.com/2011/12/04/rise-of-the-girl-gangs/

    That should do the trick.

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  47. @Truth
    "And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?"

    You can't retry beans, we have double-jeopardy laws.

    True, but he is not talking about the judicial process…it is obvious these beans are going to be tortured (“grilled” as some may say) for information – this extra-judicial practice seems to have the backing of some of our populace.

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  48. @Jefferson
    This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don't see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don’t see that in interracial marriage statistics…

    Indians are highly endogamous, as Razib will confirm, with nearly 3,000 groups in the Indian sub-continent that do not marry outside their groups, also known casually as sub-castes.

    While we in the West have long subscribed to the greatly oversimplified colonial description of Indian societies as belonging to four castes,the reality, in terms of mating, is immensely more complex. Hierarchies can be circular, intersect and so on, and it is only under certain circumstances that sub-caste lines are crossed.

    While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America.

    Additionally, there has long been a premium on virginity in both the male and the female in arranged marriages.

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    The one exception is in Île de La Réunion, where the Hindus were converted to Catholicism and so deeply enmeshed with the white population that a majority of the island is white/Indian mixed. However the few remaining Indian purebloods, in the spirit of our postmodern times, seem to be "getting back in touch" i.e., adding Hindu aestheticism absent for generations to their Catholic family ceremonies.

    I would like to see a Catholic identitarian insurgency and crackdown on this. I like some Indians but loathe subcontinental Hindu culture intensely.
    , @Jefferson
    "While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America."

    When it comes to Asian American mating habits, it's crazy how Filipino Americans for example are the extreme opposite of Indian Americans.

    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White. Some of them have so much White ancestry that they can pass for White or Whitish.

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  49. And I should have completed the thought.

    White American males are automatically suspect on that count at some sub-conscious level, and Indian girls face subtle pressure from their parents to not date white guys as they are presumed to be non-virginal.

    I merely recount what I have anecdotally learned during the course of lunchtime conversations with Indian colleagues at work, male and female. Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.

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    Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.
     
    Indians - even high caste Hindus - are not all wholly averse to marrying white foreigners.

    I am a Brit, born in 1960 in Culcutta India of British expat parents and spent my first decade of life in India. My father was a senior manager and became a director in a famous British lubricants company. We knew quite a number of Anglo-Indian couples.

    My folks were posted back to the UK in the mid 70s after a further 4 year stint in Singapore. Both my folks are still alive and in their mid 80s. Naturally, the family kept a number of contacts from the India days, including some Indians - all high-caste Hindus.

    I was late marrying and for years my English Mum was regaled with offers to 'find Nick a nice Indian wife'. I actually gave the idea some consideration but ploughed my furrow elsewhere, eventually marrying an Afrikaner (white South African).

    , @Luke Ford
    Torah likewise assumes that non-Jews are not virgins and if a Jewish woman is taken captive, it is assumed that she was raped. By contrast, most Orthodox Jews are virgins when they marry, which is remarkable in that we all live in cities (often the nice parts).
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  50. @iStevefan
    Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they'd die out. I'm assuming the Girl Scouts have crossed that barrier years ago. I wonder if that could be preventing Mexicans and muslim immigrants from joining.

    “Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they’d die out.”

    According to the Left, Gay men are only capable of being pedophiles if they are Catholic priests.

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  51. Never fear White Haters and Atlantic readers – The Radical Brownies are here!
    “Not all girl scouts are concerned with peddling shortbread cookies. There’s one troop of young girls in Oakland that discusses matters of racial inequality and wear brown berets in an homage to radical civil rights groups”
    And:
    “The girls, ages 8-12, are part of the “Radical Brownies,” an edgier, younger version of the Girl Scouts, where girls earn badges for completing workshops on social protests, and a beauty workshop that celebrate racial diversity”
    You gotta love that diversity. And:
    “In the Radical Brownies, girls learn about social justice movements such the Black Panthers and the Chicano group Brown Berets. They wear their brown berets in homage to those two groups. But they also study how Disney princesses define girls’ image of beauty, and how that can affect self-image.”
    Read: Hate on whitey. Wonder if there’s a badge for that? But that’s not all:
    “The Radical Brownies have their own badge system, including one for “Radical Beauty” and an “LGBT ally” badge. The girls also earned a “Black Lives Matter” badge after learning about police accountability and attending a civil rights march in Oakland”
    God love ‘em!
    According to the co-founder Anayvette Martinez – ““I think it’s never too early to have these conversations with young people. “Children are more aware than we think; it’s important to not shelter children from real issues that we’re living .It’s especially important for young girls of color to feel empowered.”
    Its especially important for young girls of color to hate white people.

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  52. They need to focus more on twerking and burning American flags if they want to expand their appeal in the manner suggested in this article.

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  53. @Jefferson
    "Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they’d die out."

    According to the Left, Gay men are only capable of being pedophiles if they are Catholic priests.

    According to the alt-right, straight men are far more likely to be pedophiles than gay men. Thus, child molestation will skyrocket if men are allowed to use the ladies’ room.

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    Yawn. Another ignorant lefty.

    1. Gays and trannies are not the same; any gay or tranny speaking frankly will teach you that. Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females. Gays identify with their correct birth gender but seek the same gender.

    get your mental disorders straight, son.

    2. Child molesters have and will use this policy to sneak into women's rooms and molest little children. Because mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom---the vast majority of cases---will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.

    Now back to the Daily Kos with you, moron!
    , @Prof. Woland
    The greatest PR scam of the last 50 years has been the relabeling of predatory homosexual Catholic Priests as Pedophiles instead of Gays. Most, if not all of the victims were underage but post-puberty. We need to put the rainbow flag back on these monsters.
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  54. “Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina.”

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

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    About a million immigrants per year, each of whom has several children, coupled with a shrinking white population.
    , @neutral

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?
     
    If you read the likes of Sailer more often in the past, then none of this would be a big surprise to you. The mainstream media liked to ignore this in the past, now that it has gotten to the point of no return (and the point it can no longer be ignored) they paint these as something to celebrate.
    , @Kat Grey
    Easily. White people are content to work long hours, have fewer children pay taxes that convert into welfare benefits that are a reward for ethnic women who produce babies like a factory conveyor belt.
    , @ben tillman

    “Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina.”

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?
     
    The central government has trillions of dollars in resources at its disposal, including a huge military apparatus, and demographic change is its top priority.
    , @Triumph104
    The public school system become majority-minority a couple of years ago. It is due to Hispanics and Asians and also mixed-race. The percentage of blacks has remained steady since the mixed-blacks broke off and started identifying as mixed-race.

    It is projected that by 2022 whites will only be 45 percent of the public schools. Ironically, SJWs are pushing for more integrated schools as the pool of whites grows smaller and smaller.

    Graph in the link:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/18/u-s-public-schools-expected-to-be-majority-minority-starting-this-fall/

    , @anon
    "So quickly"? Its been happening ever since 1965. That is to say the past 51 years.
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  55. “To stay relevant, the Girls Scouts has revamped its outdoor-oriented programs to include STEM activities and financial-literacy education.”

    Oh yeah, this will really draw them in.

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  56. @Hepp
    While the Boy Scouts appears to have maintained some healthy values, everything I read says that the Girl Scouts has become an SJW outfit, just like organized nunnery in the Catholic church. Every women's organization that's not explicitly and self-consciously conservative gets taken over by the highest testosterone manless freaks.

    If Mexicans are repulsed by all this, good for them.

    It’s so much worse than that. Girl Scouts of America is all but a lesbian dating circle. No sane parent would allow their daughter into it, and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn’t be touching Boy Scouts of America, either.

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    "and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn’t be touching Boy Scouts of America, either."

    Boy Scouts is mostly run at the local level. The national leadership (led by the useless cuck Robert Gates) caved on the homosexual thing but they leave local troops to themselves. It is still a pretty wholesome thing and they don't promote leftist nonsense. I'm acutely sensitive to those things and definitely look for it but have been pleasantly surprised so far.
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  57. Girl Scouts are for relatively functional families. It’s like giving vitamins to someone to supplement a generally healthy diet.

    Black Girl Scouts, to be effective, would need to resemble a “scared straight” environment, which allows the state to supply it’s ad hoc patriarchal figure, or in the case of the Girl Scouts, a matriarchal figure.

    Compounding the problem, the actual parental figure of the black girls, such as it is, would always let the troupe down as a participant, as black folks tend to do amongst each other, or even in integrated settings.

    Imagine black girls going to a scout meeting in trashy clothes, gang-type apparel, snide attitudes, and so on.

    Girl Scouts are intended to teach girls how to achieve in a modern civilized setting, not how to act civilized from the get-go. They teach self-reliance, contradicting the old-timey negro shorthand of victim/victimization.

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  58. Nico says:
    @PiltdownMan

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don’t see that in interracial marriage statistics...
     
    Indians are highly endogamous, as Razib will confirm, with nearly 3,000 groups in the Indian sub-continent that do not marry outside their groups, also known casually as sub-castes.

    While we in the West have long subscribed to the greatly oversimplified colonial description of Indian societies as belonging to four castes,the reality, in terms of mating, is immensely more complex. Hierarchies can be circular, intersect and so on, and it is only under certain circumstances that sub-caste lines are crossed.

    While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America.

    Additionally, there has long been a premium on virginity in both the male and the female in arranged marriages.

    The one exception is in Île de La Réunion, where the Hindus were converted to Catholicism and so deeply enmeshed with the white population that a majority of the island is white/Indian mixed. However the few remaining Indian purebloods, in the spirit of our postmodern times, seem to be “getting back in touch” i.e., adding Hindu aestheticism absent for generations to their Catholic family ceremonies.

    I would like to see a Catholic identitarian insurgency and crackdown on this. I like some Indians but loathe subcontinental Hindu culture intensely.

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  59. @Anonym
    OT via Breitbart: The National Review wakes up and smells the coffee. The "I" word is mentioned several times. If not accepting, at least they have reached the bargaining stage, wanting a smaller, more educated intake of migrants. And maybe to be fair, Trump has not ruled out immigration per se.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435943/conservatives-republican-party-donald-trump-nationalists-intellectuals-working-class

    Can’t say I agree. O’Sullivan is lying when he claims that NR has advocated less immigratoin since 1991. In reality, there was a purge of immigration restrictionists in the late 90′s, when Lowry, Goldberg and Ponuru were put in charge. Since then, NR has pushed an open borders agenda, albiet often indirectly by supporting open borders politicians and showing hostility to genuine immigration restrictionists.

    NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013. They are not moving in the right direction, only dissimulating.

    The article that O’Sullivan links to shows this, praising the defeat of the immigration restrictionist One Nation party in Australia by open borders globalist John Howard.

    Let’s stop falling for this BS. O’Sullivan showed his true colors by cheerfully going along with the Lowry era purge. Whatever he did before means nothing.

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    Thanks for your viewpoint. I did not know the history on this one. I do find it funny that they are doing a lot of retconning at the moment.
    , @Wilkey
    "NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013."

    No, it has not. Various NR writers have had differing positions on amnesty, but it's official position has been against amnesty for a long time.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    NR has had Heather MacDonald, Andrew McCarthy, Victor Davis Hanson, and Mark Krikorian's posts and articles for many years - right up until now AFAIK.

    Also, I do not believe John O'Sullivan had any role in the purges. He is a relic of the Buckley days, before Buckley's dotage.

    I wish they still had Brimelow, Coulter and Derbyshire writing for them. I dropped my subscription after they fired Coulter and before I realized they fired Brimelow. And I will always hate them for their idiotic war-mongering and their sins of commission and omission regarding Sarah Palin - a hatred that has been amplified by their mindless, shrill Anti-Trump hysteria. But let us give the wicked their due - the purge was limited, even if objectionable.
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  60. @snorlax
    According to the alt-right, straight men are far more likely to be pedophiles than gay men. Thus, child molestation will skyrocket if men are allowed to use the ladies' room.

    Yawn. Another ignorant lefty.

    1. Gays and trannies are not the same; any gay or tranny speaking frankly will teach you that. Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females. Gays identify with their correct birth gender but seek the same gender.

    get your mental disorders straight, son.

    2. Child molesters have and will use this policy to sneak into women’s rooms and molest little children. Because mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom—the vast majority of cases—will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.

    Now back to the Daily Kos with you, moron!

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    Oh, the left would never have me. I've been a regular around these parts for years. I am, however, an equal-opportunity caller-outer of bullshit based on feelz rather than reals, whatever the source.

    mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom—the vast majority of cases—will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.
     
    So your postulate is that, in a public space, He-Man-Lady Bruce Jenner will both overpower a mother and rape her child, simultaneously, keeping both from escaping.

    Thankfully, whorefinder, defender of women, comes to the rescue. You see, men who plan to beat a mother unconscious and rape her child, in public, are totally deterred by his bathroom law and/or the enormous Chechen bouncers normally found manning public restroom entrances.

    (Any given klaim of KKK krimes on kampus is vastly more believable than the beyond ridiculous scenario you have konstructed).

    , @Jefferson
    "Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females"

    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women, most are not Heterosexual guys like Caitlyn Jenner who like to dress up like women.

    The Black Tranny Laverne Cox from "Orange Is The New Black" dates men in real life. David Arquette's Tranny "sister" Alexis Arquette also dates men.

    Most Trannies in The Philippines and Thailand have a strong physical attraction towards men.

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  61. Scouting costs money and requires regularly driving your kids to meetings. Poor people–even whites–generally have neither the time nor the money.

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  62. @ATBOTL
    Can't say I agree. O'Sullivan is lying when he claims that NR has advocated less immigratoin since 1991. In reality, there was a purge of immigration restrictionists in the late 90's, when Lowry, Goldberg and Ponuru were put in charge. Since then, NR has pushed an open borders agenda, albiet often indirectly by supporting open borders politicians and showing hostility to genuine immigration restrictionists.

    NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013. They are not moving in the right direction, only dissimulating.

    The article that O'Sullivan links to shows this, praising the defeat of the immigration restrictionist One Nation party in Australia by open borders globalist John Howard.

    Let's stop falling for this BS. O'Sullivan showed his true colors by cheerfully going along with the Lowry era purge. Whatever he did before means nothing.

    Thanks for your viewpoint. I did not know the history on this one. I do find it funny that they are doing a lot of retconning at the moment.

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  63. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    About a million immigrants per year, each of whom has several children, coupled with a shrinking white population.

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  64. OT: Zoo’s Killing of Gorilla Holding a Boy Prompts Outrage

    It seemed like quick thinking when the Cincinnati Zoo shot to death a gorilla that was manhandling a small boy who had fallen into its enclosure on Saturday afternoon.

    But soon supporters of animal rights were organizing a vigil outside the zoo in remembrance of the gorilla, named Harambe, a male weighing more than 420 pounds. Online petitions circulated blaming the mother of the child for negligence. By Monday the chorus of outrage had reached such an intense pitch that the zoo held a news conference to defend itself.

    Speaking to reporters, Thane Maynard, the zoo’s director, forcefully rejected the second-guessing of what he called “Monday morning quarterbacks” over the decision to kill the gorilla, one of an endangered species, instead of using a tranquilizer dart.

    After the 4-year-old boy breached a barrier to the Gorilla World exhibit and fell into its moat, Harambe seemed to take an intense interest in the child.

    “The child was being dragged around,” Mr. Maynard said. “His head was banging on concrete. This was not a gentle thing. The child was at risk.”

    Mr. Maynard said a tranquilizer would have taken precious minutes to knock out the western lowland gorilla, while the impact of the dart might have startled him, posing an even graver danger.

    Mr. Maynard said the animal was capable of crushing a coconut with his hands. The boy was lucky that Harambe had not done so to him, if only out of carelessness, he said, noting that the gorilla had become agitated and disoriented by screams from the crowd.

    Outside the zoo on Monday, the gorilla’s supporters held placards that read “R.I.P. Harambe,” “Because his life mattered” and “In loving memory, Harambe.” Inside, flowers were placed at a gorilla statue.

    Gorilla Lives Matter

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    A few thousand gorillas left on the planet vs. 7 billion humans and growing? I know whose life I value more in that scenario, especially since we can probably assume the human child came from a family on the left side of the bell curve.
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  65. @whorefinder
    Yawn. Another ignorant lefty.

    1. Gays and trannies are not the same; any gay or tranny speaking frankly will teach you that. Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females. Gays identify with their correct birth gender but seek the same gender.

    get your mental disorders straight, son.

    2. Child molesters have and will use this policy to sneak into women's rooms and molest little children. Because mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom---the vast majority of cases---will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.

    Now back to the Daily Kos with you, moron!

    Oh, the left would never have me. I’ve been a regular around these parts for years. I am, however, an equal-opportunity caller-outer of bullshit based on feelz rather than reals, whatever the source.

    mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom—the vast majority of cases—will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.

    So your postulate is that, in a public space, He-Man-Lady Bruce Jenner will both overpower a mother and rape her child, simultaneously, keeping both from escaping.

    Thankfully, whorefinder, defender of women, comes to the rescue. You see, men who plan to beat a mother unconscious and rape her child, in public, are totally deterred by his bathroom law and/or the enormous Chechen bouncers normally found manning public restroom entrances.

    (Any given klaim of KKK krimes on kampus is vastly more believable than the beyond ridiculous scenario you have konstructed).

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    beyond ridiculous scenario
     
    Must have something around which to rally the troops.

    The general problem here will be the voyeurs and those expanding their venues for grooming victims.
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  66. @whorefinder
    Yawn. Another ignorant lefty.

    1. Gays and trannies are not the same; any gay or tranny speaking frankly will teach you that. Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females. Gays identify with their correct birth gender but seek the same gender.

    get your mental disorders straight, son.

    2. Child molesters have and will use this policy to sneak into women's rooms and molest little children. Because mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom---the vast majority of cases---will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.

    Now back to the Daily Kos with you, moron!

    “Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females”

    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women, most are not Heterosexual guys like Caitlyn Jenner who like to dress up like women.

    The Black Tranny Laverne Cox from “Orange Is The New Black” dates men in real life. David Arquette’s Tranny “sister” Alexis Arquette also dates men.

    Most Trannies in The Philippines and Thailand have a strong physical attraction towards men.

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    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women,
     
    Categories like Tranny and Gay are the problem. People are constantly having to remind each other that there are "two kinds" of Trannies and "two kinds" of gays. If there are two kinds of X, then X probably isn't a very useful distinction itself. The right distinction is what role you want to play in the bedroom. Do you want to penetrate or be penetrated? "Feminine gays" and "Feminine trannies" want to be penetrated. "Masculine gays/trannies" want to penetrate. This also fixes the "situational homosexuality" problem. Those guys who allegedly turn gay in prison don't change their opinions about what role they want to play. There are no women around, so they turn to penetrating men. The men being penetrated haven't changed desired roles either: they are being raped.
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  67. Strange that a group devoted to charity and public service can be accused of ‘underserving’ communities.

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  68. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on the latest furor over the shooting of an unarmed black man in Cincinnati?

    Through great good luck, the evil cop who shot the Noble Son of Obama was also black. The totally innnocent yoot, who was only doing the bank robbery ti buy more physics books, did pull the trigger on his weapon. as luck would have it, the Dindu had loaded .380 ammo in his .38 special pistol, so he got a hammer strike but a misfire. naturally the local BLMers are prepping to riot, demanding better training for yoots in weapons.

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    Black lives matter when the killer is white. The other 95% of the time it is no big deal.
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  69. @Jack Hanson
    The Girl Scouts are the Youth Auxiliary for Planned Parenthood at this point.

    Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can't tell.

    “Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell.”

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren’t old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I’d be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.

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    PP is highly eugenic
     
    On the whole, it's less dysgenic than some of the alternatives, but the general ethos it promotes (and requires) cannot fairly be deemed eugenic, in contrast to, say, the general Christian ethos which preceded it.
    , @Jack Hanson
    When you're bitching about anecdotes you probably shouldn't respond with one of your own. Semitic name + Talmudic hypocrisy. Shocker.

    It's not my fault you're not paying attention to what your kid is doing.
    , @AndrewR
    PP would be eugenic if we didn't have a strong welfare state.
    , @PV van der Byl
    My eleven year old daughter has been active in Girls Scouts (Daisies, Brownies, Juniors) for years and all her experiences correspond with JBH's account.

    And we live in Manhattan. If Girl Scouts are being indoctrinated in hardcore leftist ideology it must be elsewhere.
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  70. @PiltdownMan

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don’t see that in interracial marriage statistics...
     
    Indians are highly endogamous, as Razib will confirm, with nearly 3,000 groups in the Indian sub-continent that do not marry outside their groups, also known casually as sub-castes.

    While we in the West have long subscribed to the greatly oversimplified colonial description of Indian societies as belonging to four castes,the reality, in terms of mating, is immensely more complex. Hierarchies can be circular, intersect and so on, and it is only under certain circumstances that sub-caste lines are crossed.

    While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America.

    Additionally, there has long been a premium on virginity in both the male and the female in arranged marriages.

    “While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America.”

    When it comes to Asian American mating habits, it’s crazy how Filipino Americans for example are the extreme opposite of Indian Americans.

    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White. Some of them have so much White ancestry that they can pass for White or Whitish.

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    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White.
     
    The Philippines was a Spanish colony for 380 years and for all intents and purposes, social stratification follows the pattern familiar to those who know Spanish speaking societies in the New World. The spectrum of their social hierarchy goes from Peninsulares (born in Spain), Insulares (Spanish speaking Filipino pure-blood whites born in the islands) to Mestizos, Chinos, Indios, Negritos,and various combinations thereof.

    In other words, there is a social premium attached to being more white, just as in Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela and other Latin American countries. While the Spanish language has largely disappeared after a century of American colonialism and independent self-rule, I have always been struck by how Latin the Philippines is in its feel, when I have visited on business.

    This would explain the phenomenon you note.

    Pure-blood Indians in India on the other hand, always looked down on the small group of mixed race Indians born of admixture before the British started importing their brides from the British Isles, starting in the 1820s. These people , the Anglo-Indians—also looked down on by the British—Indian in appearance but European in their values and outlook, have almost entirely emigrated to the Anglophone white countries—the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the US.

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  71. @PiltdownMan
    Scouting is definitely an Anglo thing in the United States, and to us, a very typically American childhood activity.

    Of course, scouting has been a worldwide phenomenon for over a century, but oddly, it's not necessarily an "Anglo" thing beyond our shores. It would be natural to assume that the scouting movement strictly followed the British Empire, but the largest contingent of scouts in the world is in Indonesia, which has twice as many as the United States.

    While there is a something of a weak correlation with the British Commonwealth, scouting exists in strength in many other non-Anglo countries too.

    More interesting is the rapidity with which the scouting movement caught on. Indonesia's scouts date back to before WW I as indeed do the scouts in most of the other major scouting countries. And in most of them, the girl scouts or girl guides organizations were established within a decade of the boys' organization.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Association_of_Girl_Guides_and_Girl_Scouts_members

    Note also that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by or affiliated to the movement started by Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly in the former East Bloc countries and Communist China. My comments and the links are not about those, just as Steve Sailer's comments are strictly about scouts in America.

    In South East Asia Scouting is very tied up with school and is largely a more or less compulsory part of schooling so the numbers are impressive . Not really comparing apples with apples .
    From what I’ve seen it appears to be imperative that the uniform remain in pristine condition at all costs ie no outdoorsy rough and tumble type play is encouraged

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  72. Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it’s another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because…science.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/opinion/sunday/the-nazi-tweets-of-trump-god-emperor.html?_r=0

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    "Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it’s another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because…science."

    The guy in the article says Donald Trump is an anti-Semite because he once referred to Jon Stewart as Jonathan Leibowitz in a Tweet.

    Jesse Jackson and Ice Cube for example have said a lot worst things about the Jews, yet they are still the darlings of the Jewish Left.

    If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?

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  73. @Jefferson
    "While light skin is desirable in mating in India, actual white people are about as outcast as imaginable. This carries over into the practices of Indian immigrants to America."

    When it comes to Asian American mating habits, it's crazy how Filipino Americans for example are the extreme opposite of Indian Americans.

    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White. Some of them have so much White ancestry that they can pass for White or Whitish.

    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White.

    The Philippines was a Spanish colony for 380 years and for all intents and purposes, social stratification follows the pattern familiar to those who know Spanish speaking societies in the New World. The spectrum of their social hierarchy goes from Peninsulares (born in Spain), Insulares (Spanish speaking Filipino pure-blood whites born in the islands) to Mestizos, Chinos, Indios, Negritos,and various combinations thereof.

    In other words, there is a social premium attached to being more white, just as in Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela and other Latin American countries. While the Spanish language has largely disappeared after a century of American colonialism and independent self-rule, I have always been struck by how Latin the Philippines is in its feel, when I have visited on business.

    This would explain the phenomenon you note.

    Pure-blood Indians in India on the other hand, always looked down on the small group of mixed race Indians born of admixture before the British started importing their brides from the British Isles, starting in the 1820s. These people , the Anglo-Indians—also looked down on by the British—Indian in appearance but European in their values and outlook, have almost entirely emigrated to the Anglophone white countries—the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the US.

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    The Scottish writer, William Dalrymple, has written that many of those 18th century "marriages" between the young men of the English East India Company and native Indians were actually not with Indian girls from traditional Indian Hindu and Muslim families but rather with sundry dancing girls, courtesans, and freed harem wives.

    These women were the liberated spoils of war from the subjugation or defeat by the British of lesser Indian Muslim potentates and sultans. They were, according to Dalrymple, of Turkish, Persian or Circassian origin, as was often typical of harem ladies.

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  74. A Black guy named W. Kamau Bell bashes Portland for being too White and not Black enough.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/27/opinions/w-kamau-bell-united-shades-portland/

    Like a typical African American, for Kamau the whole world has to revolve around Blackness, diggity Black Blackity Black.

    Kamau won’t be satisfied until all big cities in The U.S racially look like Jackson, Mississippi.

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  75. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell."

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren't old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I'd be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.

    PP is highly eugenic

    On the whole, it’s less dysgenic than some of the alternatives, but the general ethos it promotes (and requires) cannot fairly be deemed eugenic, in contrast to, say, the general Christian ethos which preceded it.

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  76. @PiltdownMan

    I was looking at a list of Filipino American celebrities on Wikipedia and a sizable number of them are part White.
     
    The Philippines was a Spanish colony for 380 years and for all intents and purposes, social stratification follows the pattern familiar to those who know Spanish speaking societies in the New World. The spectrum of their social hierarchy goes from Peninsulares (born in Spain), Insulares (Spanish speaking Filipino pure-blood whites born in the islands) to Mestizos, Chinos, Indios, Negritos,and various combinations thereof.

    In other words, there is a social premium attached to being more white, just as in Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela and other Latin American countries. While the Spanish language has largely disappeared after a century of American colonialism and independent self-rule, I have always been struck by how Latin the Philippines is in its feel, when I have visited on business.

    This would explain the phenomenon you note.

    Pure-blood Indians in India on the other hand, always looked down on the small group of mixed race Indians born of admixture before the British started importing their brides from the British Isles, starting in the 1820s. These people , the Anglo-Indians—also looked down on by the British—Indian in appearance but European in their values and outlook, have almost entirely emigrated to the Anglophone white countries—the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the US.

    The Scottish writer, William Dalrymple, has written that many of those 18th century “marriages” between the young men of the English East India Company and native Indians were actually not with Indian girls from traditional Indian Hindu and Muslim families but rather with sundry dancing girls, courtesans, and freed harem wives.

    These women were the liberated spoils of war from the subjugation or defeat by the British of lesser Indian Muslim potentates and sultans. They were, according to Dalrymple, of Turkish, Persian or Circassian origin, as was often typical of harem ladies.

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    Vivien Leigh of "Gone With the Wind" was apparently born in Central or South Asia.
    , @IA
    Dalrymple, like many suicidal westerners, pushes Islam. I wouldn't put much stock in his writing.

    The whitest Indians are high caste.
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  77. @PiltdownMan
    The Scottish writer, William Dalrymple, has written that many of those 18th century "marriages" between the young men of the English East India Company and native Indians were actually not with Indian girls from traditional Indian Hindu and Muslim families but rather with sundry dancing girls, courtesans, and freed harem wives.

    These women were the liberated spoils of war from the subjugation or defeat by the British of lesser Indian Muslim potentates and sultans. They were, according to Dalrymple, of Turkish, Persian or Circassian origin, as was often typical of harem ladies.

    Vivien Leigh of “Gone With the Wind” was apparently born in Central or South Asia.

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    Ditto for Merle Oberon.
    , @Auntie Analogue
    Julie Christie was born in India where her father was a tea planter; she was schooled in France. Olivia de Havilland and her sister Joan Fontaine were born in Japan; their father was an English professor and a patent attorney; their parents divorced when de Havilland was three years old, her mother then moved with the two girls to southern California.
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  78. @Anonymous
    Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it's another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because...science.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/opinion/sunday/the-nazi-tweets-of-trump-god-emperor.html?_r=0

    “Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it’s another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because…science.”

    The guy in the article says Donald Trump is an anti-Semite because he once referred to Jon Stewart as Jonathan Leibowitz in a Tweet.

    Jesse Jackson and Ice Cube for example have said a lot worst things about the Jews, yet they are still the darlings of the Jewish Left.

    If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?

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    About 80% of American Jews are from Eastern Europe, where their ancestors lived for hundreds of years among the goyim in an atmosphere of mutual loathing. Albert Lindemann's book Esau's Tears explains this reflex.

    http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?p=66521
    , @Hibernian
    "If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?"

    Unless there's a good reason for it, quite likely yes.
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  79. I organized and ran a Boy Scout troop for years. It was sponsored by our local Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod). We tried to involve the sons of a local Mexican family that lived in the orange grove down the street. They couldn’t afford the physical and uniforms so I paid for them. I thought this would be a good way to help mainstream them.

    When we called the first organizational meeting, a gruffy-looking single man in his 40s showed up. He said he liked working with boys. We fathers took one look at him and said, “No way is this guy going into the woods on overnights with our sons …!” Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?) The Mexican boys attended a few meetings/events and then dropped out.

    I wouldn’t touch the Boy Scouts today, and our church would probably refuse sponsorship. It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity … and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting. What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males. They are now more likely to drop out than the Hispanics. It is a form of organizational suicide. Let the Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts for that matter) expire in peace.

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    Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?)

    It's not thinking. It's responding to a 30+ year long assault on freedom of assembly. Someone here mentioned the Rotary Club. Well it used to be all male until it fought a court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court in which they were forced to admit women. The Boy Scouts actually won their court battle to deny gays, but by then the writing was on the wall. The corporate fascists who now run the world are all too happy to destroy anything that stands in their way, and that includes freedom of assembly. They began denying funds to the BSA, and the BSA was forced to relent. I would suspect that there are still plenty of church-sponsored BSA troops that still succeed in keeping out the creeps, though.
    , @Grumpy
    "What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males."

    They're not missing anything. That's the whole point of what they're doing. And it's working perfectly.
    , @Lurker

    It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity … and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting.
     
    Mexicans et al are not much interested in the social engineering described and what is more they're not supposed to be. Those things are only for destroying WASP/Christian/European values and thus destroying white society.

    The last three white people in the US will probably still be arguing about trannies, gays etc while the black/brown world around them ignores such things.
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  80. This was 20+ years ago but… in high school I dated a girl whose mom was a lesbian and who was also an executive with the Girl Scouts. The girlfriend told me that lesbians were very well represented within the ranks of girl scout officials. Nothing I’ve seen or heard since then has disabused me of that notion.

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    The lesbian-feminist perspective is simply one that never occurs to Mexican women.
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  81. @Dahlia
    "In recent decades, the Girl Scouts have been highly feminist."

    When my oldest girls were of the age to join Girl Scouts, they started openly advocating for Planned Parenthood so that was a non-starter for us and most of our friends.

    My mother, a girl scout back in the 60s, was upset and I explained to her that things weren't like they were in her time. Many Boomers who don't pay much attention have little idea how Leftist public school and other civics institutions for youth were for Gen X, Millenials, and reaching fever pitch with this new generation.

    It's not about being overprotective, but realizing you are absolutely powerless and must withdraw and seek out alternatives for education, civic involvement, meaning, etc.

    Is this a flavour of Rod Dreher’s “Benedict Option.”

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    I have a passing familiarity with it, but I'm not an ideological person, just simply a Christian who tries to do what is morally right and/or prudent.

    I felt it was morally wrong to have my daughters involved with an organization tied so closely to abortion and birth control; we're Catholic. Plus, I felt it wouldn't be a good fit for obvious reasons.

    But we did and do buy cookies from a friend who felt otherwise and others in my town; I keep my thoughts and feelings to myself. I believe being a good neighbor and friend is more important than the very nominal benefit, in this case, of a boycott.
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  82. @blah blah blah blah
    This was 20+ years ago but... in high school I dated a girl whose mom was a lesbian and who was also an executive with the Girl Scouts. The girlfriend told me that lesbians were very well represented within the ranks of girl scout officials. Nothing I've seen or heard since then has disabused me of that notion.

    The lesbian-feminist perspective is simply one that never occurs to Mexican women.

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    Unless that woman is Frida Kahlo. And in some left-wing circles all Mexican women are assumed to be like Frida Kahlo.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    When did the feminists/lesbians take over the girl scouts??? Late Seventies/Early Eighties???

    I know the Adorno admiring Cultural Marxists have had fits with both the BSA and GSA since the thirties.
    Because??? Well it was pretty obvious that the BSA/GSA were implicitly white identity.

    When I was in scouts, Girl Scouts focused on traditional activities that appealed to young girls with the added emphasis on character development and initiative.

    The implicit message of Girl Scouts was "Look here girls, someday you will want to find a husband for whom you will both be compatible. You could do a lot worse than marrying a former Boy Scout".....

    I used to help run an adult Winter/Summer sports and activities club. A majority of the females who participated in Skiing, camping, canoeing, rock climbing... were former Girl Scouts.
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  83. Only FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comments from Jefferson. I feel cheated Steve.

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    There are more in the Pending file, so stick around.
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  84. @ChaseBizzy
    Only FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comments from Jefferson. I feel cheated Steve.

    There are more in the Pending file, so stick around.

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    LOL! Steve, I don't know how you remain sane while moderating all of these comments.
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  85. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    How does this liberalism affect the actual activities of Girl Scouts?

    It was fifteen years ago for me with a daughter in a conservative area. I mostly recall selling cookies and amusement park trips. The projects tended to be the usual liberal starter kits: save the environment; girl empowerment via self confidence and a STEM career; help the poor.

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  86. @SFG
    Interesting point, and quite a good one. I suppose just as men tend to take leadership positions in heavily female professions like library science and teaching, masculine women will take leadership positions in female organizations. Any of the (few) women here care to comment?

    As a woman, I’m commenting with this truism:

    All women’s organizations will eventually become feminist organizations, if they haven’t done so already. (The only exceptions: explicitly anti-feminist groups such as Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum). That means that they will eventually institutionalize the relentless antagonism toward men that is feminism’s hallmark.

    Even conservative women eventually succumb. Witness the accusations of “misogyny” leveled at Donald Trump by prominent conservative-movement women. The word “misogyny” is pure feminist-speak. Or the effort to drum Schlafly out of the Eagle Forum–her own organization–because of her support for Trump.

    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of “legitimate” rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as “rape culture,” and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it’s statistically more likely that it won’t. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.

    Women are super-conformists, and since there is always a certain amount of natural antagonism between the sexes, it’s inevitable that most women will pick up the feminist rhetoric of high-status women, nearly all of whom are feminists. It’s the invasion of the body-snatchers.

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    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of “legitimate” rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as “rape culture,” and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it’s statistically more likely that it won’t. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.
     
    God bless you, Charlotte Allen. I hold no brief for Akin, but you've hit this nail squarely on the head. Akin was obviously trying to say "forcible rape" as opposed to "legitimate rape." Had he not botched that one word, he would still be in Congress today.

    Hopefully, the Independent Women's Forum hasn't yet succumbed to feminist drift (or takeover) either.
    , @Former Darfur
    Or the snatch bodiers.
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  87. @Reg Cæsar

    And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?
     
    I don't even want to think what "retried" beans might be!

    Maybe like a used car ‘previously enjoyed’?

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  88. @Whiskey
    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    If that ain’t the truth! White men only like white and Asian women. I think this has been shown on dating forums (white men actually prefer Asian).

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  89. @snorlax
    Oh, the left would never have me. I've been a regular around these parts for years. I am, however, an equal-opportunity caller-outer of bullshit based on feelz rather than reals, whatever the source.

    mothers who bring their kids to the bathroom—the vast majority of cases—will be overpowered by a pretend Bruce Jenner.
     
    So your postulate is that, in a public space, He-Man-Lady Bruce Jenner will both overpower a mother and rape her child, simultaneously, keeping both from escaping.

    Thankfully, whorefinder, defender of women, comes to the rescue. You see, men who plan to beat a mother unconscious and rape her child, in public, are totally deterred by his bathroom law and/or the enormous Chechen bouncers normally found manning public restroom entrances.

    (Any given klaim of KKK krimes on kampus is vastly more believable than the beyond ridiculous scenario you have konstructed).

    beyond ridiculous scenario

    Must have something around which to rally the troops.

    The general problem here will be the voyeurs and those expanding their venues for grooming victims.

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  90. @Whiskey
    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    Big difference between the two, there are some very attractive Indian women out there.

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  91. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    If you read the likes of Sailer more often in the past, then none of this would be a big surprise to you. The mainstream media liked to ignore this in the past, now that it has gotten to the point of no return (and the point it can no longer be ignored) they paint these as something to celebrate.

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  92. I have some first-person experience with both boy scouts and girl scouts (my kids are young beginners in both organizations-in a rural part of the country).

    Girl Scouts at the kindergarten level: basically a club where the girls learn to socialize. Its run by one of the girls’ moms, and when I arrive to pick my daughter up, the girls are singing, cutting out flowers, or doing some other typically kindergarten girl activity. We never bought the girlscout smock, we have a stack of patches that my daughter received, but we never bothered to sew them onto anything. We sold cookies, but only by taking the signout sheet to parents’ workplace. Pretty innocuous. Whether it gets political or even exists for the older girls, I don’t know.

    Boy Scouts at early elementary level (Cub Scouts): It struck me that the Boy Scouts are in trouble. Each grade level (Tigers, Bears, etc) has a Den of about 4 boys-really not enough to be a critical mass of fun (it works like any other club. If you have a club of only 4 members, you’re too small). Furthermore, that ‘club’ is not a club of a given school or neighborhood: it is a club from several different neighborhoods, because membership is so small. Thus, that club consists of 4 people who don’t know each other outside of the boy scouts. And I don’t think the organization will survive that. 4 classmates getting together to hike is feasible. 4 strangers getting together (and driving as much as 1/2 hour to do it) is really not going to be sustained over the long run.

    Furthermore, the boy scouts seemed essentially pointless. My son wanted to try boy scouts because he wanted to camp, start fires, shoot bb guns, etc (incidently, my daughter wanted to do girl scouts for the same reason-both unrealistic for 5 and 6 year olds). And while there was some of that, the weekly meetings really consisted of uninteresting activities (citizenship, getting to know each other with the kind of silly activities you have in corporate training seminars, designing ‘games’ in the meeting room which tended to mean rolling or throwing balls across the room, etc). Even a proposed field trip (go to a sporting event-i.e. watch other people do sports, rather than do sports yourself) devolved into going to a girls’ softball game (because the tickets were cheaper or even free).

    The leadership, as a general rule, seemed undisciplined and unconfident (which may very well have been a factor of that specific leadership rather than the boy scouts in general, I fully admit). The boys did not learn responsibility, or discipline, or attention to a schedule or detail, or any of the other things that they are learning from sports other nights of the week. It was really more of playtime-but again, playtime amongst a bunch of near strangers. Why drive across town to ride your bike in the parking lot of a church with strangers, when you can bike at home with your neighbors straight out of the garage?

    So Boy Scouts seemed like an organization in its death throws. I have a friend who rock climbs, so I will take my kids with him and his kids (future 1st grader) and go rock climbing. My kids do a variety of sports (even if not well) where they learn structure. We have neighbors to ride bikes with. The scouts just seems like an organization in search of a purpose.

    joeyjoejoe

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    When I was raising my kids in a suburb of Boston 10 years ago the Cub Scouts still seemed pretty healthy. Most of my sons' troop's activities consisted of science experiments, camping trips, overnights at Battleship cove, trips to see the PawSox, etc. Very much boy friendly fun activities, and there were about 20-25 kids any given year. Maybe the fact that our troop was about 95% Jewish (I think we were the only goyim) created more cohesion and purpose than other posters seem to be finding.
    , @Grumpy
    Thanks, joeyjoejoe. That was informative.

    I was part of a scout-like organization affiliated with our family church in the 1980s. We went cross-country skiing, snow camping, canoeing, spelunking, spent the night at old forts, raced pinewood derby cars... it was great. Everything we did depended on competent volunteer adult leadership. A lot of the leaders were dads, but not all of them. Some of them were single guys who took a lot of time out of their lives to organize these complicated events and activities for us. I am grateful to them.

    Does that world exist anymore? When I think about it, few things make the present feel so atomized and isolating as my memories of those days.
    , @Boomstick
    As my old Scoutmaster used to say, "three fourths of scouting is outing." There's really no substitute for getting out and doing boy stuff outdoors.

    Iowahawk provided a trenchant observation a few days ago: Leftists identify a respected institution, kill it, gut it, and wear it as a skin suit while demanding respect.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    This post demonstrates exactly why Boy Scouts has problems today. When it started, Boy Scouting's outdoor activities corresponded with what was being done by adults who were interested in the wilderness. I.e., e.g., tent-pitching skills were the same for Scouts and for the military, naturalists, researchers, hobbyists, etc.

    By the time I joined Boy Scouts in the early 90s, this had already changed. For example, I learned how to put up old triangular canvas tents with wooden stakes, wooden poles, and twine, but when my family went camping we used a pop-up tent made of metal, plastic, and nylon.

    The situation today is more extreme. Scouts may not use triangular canvas tents anymore, but their style of interacting with the wilderness is even more divorced from the rest of the world than it used to be.

    Scouting was a great thing in its day, but its day is done. If I have boys, I won't encourage them to be Boy Scouts. There are better ways to get the valuable experiences and knowledge without wasting time on "rank advancement", "merit badges", etc.
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  93. @PiltdownMan
    And I should have completed the thought.

    White American males are automatically suspect on that count at some sub-conscious level, and Indian girls face subtle pressure from their parents to not date white guys as they are presumed to be non-virginal.

    I merely recount what I have anecdotally learned during the course of lunchtime conversations with Indian colleagues at work, male and female. Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.

    Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.

    Indians – even high caste Hindus – are not all wholly averse to marrying white foreigners.

    I am a Brit, born in 1960 in Culcutta India of British expat parents and spent my first decade of life in India. My father was a senior manager and became a director in a famous British lubricants company. We knew quite a number of Anglo-Indian couples.

    My folks were posted back to the UK in the mid 70s after a further 4 year stint in Singapore. Both my folks are still alive and in their mid 80s. Naturally, the family kept a number of contacts from the India days, including some Indians – all high-caste Hindus.

    I was late marrying and for years my English Mum was regaled with offers to ‘find Nick a nice Indian wife’. I actually gave the idea some consideration but ploughed my furrow elsewhere, eventually marrying an Afrikaner (white South African).

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    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.
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  94. @ATBOTL
    Can't say I agree. O'Sullivan is lying when he claims that NR has advocated less immigratoin since 1991. In reality, there was a purge of immigration restrictionists in the late 90's, when Lowry, Goldberg and Ponuru were put in charge. Since then, NR has pushed an open borders agenda, albiet often indirectly by supporting open borders politicians and showing hostility to genuine immigration restrictionists.

    NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013. They are not moving in the right direction, only dissimulating.

    The article that O'Sullivan links to shows this, praising the defeat of the immigration restrictionist One Nation party in Australia by open borders globalist John Howard.

    Let's stop falling for this BS. O'Sullivan showed his true colors by cheerfully going along with the Lowry era purge. Whatever he did before means nothing.

    “NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013.”

    No, it has not. Various NR writers have had differing positions on amnesty, but it’s official position has been against amnesty for a long time.

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    Wrong. They had an EDITORIAL supporting amnesty in aftermath of the Romney's failure and the GOP's debreifing that blamed anti-amnesty rhetoric for the loss.

    Since then, they have stated clearly and unambigously that NR supports "amnesty," their word, in every editorial by Lowry or Ponuru, the editors, that has addressed immigration. NR has repeatedly stated that deportation of illegals cannot be done and that illegals should stay.

    I have the links saved on my computer at home but I'm travelling now, will post them on this blog some time when appropriate.

    What is with the terminal naivete of some folks?
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  95. @MEH 0910
    OT: Zoo’s Killing of Gorilla Holding a Boy Prompts Outrage

    It seemed like quick thinking when the Cincinnati Zoo shot to death a gorilla that was manhandling a small boy who had fallen into its enclosure on Saturday afternoon.

    But soon supporters of animal rights were organizing a vigil outside the zoo in remembrance of the gorilla, named Harambe, a male weighing more than 420 pounds. Online petitions circulated blaming the mother of the child for negligence. By Monday the chorus of outrage had reached such an intense pitch that the zoo held a news conference to defend itself.

    Speaking to reporters, Thane Maynard, the zoo’s director, forcefully rejected the second-guessing of what he called “Monday morning quarterbacks” over the decision to kill the gorilla, one of an endangered species, instead of using a tranquilizer dart.

    After the 4-year-old boy breached a barrier to the Gorilla World exhibit and fell into its moat, Harambe seemed to take an intense interest in the child.

    “The child was being dragged around,” Mr. Maynard said. “His head was banging on concrete. This was not a gentle thing. The child was at risk.”

    Mr. Maynard said a tranquilizer would have taken precious minutes to knock out the western lowland gorilla, while the impact of the dart might have startled him, posing an even graver danger.

    Mr. Maynard said the animal was capable of crushing a coconut with his hands. The boy was lucky that Harambe had not done so to him, if only out of carelessness, he said, noting that the gorilla had become agitated and disoriented by screams from the crowd.
     

    Outside the zoo on Monday, the gorilla’s supporters held placards that read “R.I.P. Harambe,” “Because his life mattered” and “In loving memory, Harambe.” Inside, flowers were placed at a gorilla statue.
     
    Gorilla Lives Matter

    A few thousand gorillas left on the planet vs. 7 billion humans and growing? I know whose life I value more in that scenario, especially since we can probably assume the human child came from a family on the left side of the bell curve.

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    Actually, the child, and the (apparently unmarried) parents of the child are African Americans.

    So this is a case of #blacklivesmatter trumping #gorillalives matter. However, I'm with you, I don't want to see the headline someday "Last Living Panda Slain After Tot Enters Enclosure."

    I recognize the dignity of human life but if we don't extend it to the animal kingdom we are not doing it right. Moreover, the human race is nowhere near threatened. Many non-human species are.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/parents-child-who-fell-gorilla-8087065
    , @Percy Gryce
    Well, you'll be happy to know then that they harvested the gorilla's seed:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617620/There-future-Harambe-Cincinnati-zoo-reveal-sperm-removed-gorilla-shot-dead-father.html
    , @random observer
    I noticed some of the protesters carried signs like "keep brats out of habitats".

    Harsh, but I didn't see how the kid got in in the first place. No idea the degree of parental control failure involved or whether zoo failure to use adequate physical barriers the main problem.

    I did sympathize with the unfortunate beast.
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  96. @Steve Sailer
    The lesbian-feminist perspective is simply one that never occurs to Mexican women.

    Unless that woman is Frida Kahlo. And in some left-wing circles all Mexican women are assumed to be like Frida Kahlo.

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  97. @Steve Sailer
    Vivien Leigh of "Gone With the Wind" was apparently born in Central or South Asia.

    Ditto for Merle Oberon.

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    Engelbert Humperdinck Born: May 2, 1936 (age 80), Chennai, India
    Full name: Arnold George Dorsey Anglo Indian

    Freddie Mercury of Queen, born Farrokh Bulsara Parsi from India via Africa
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  98. @TheJester
    I organized and ran a Boy Scout troop for years. It was sponsored by our local Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod). We tried to involve the sons of a local Mexican family that lived in the orange grove down the street. They couldn't afford the physical and uniforms so I paid for them. I thought this would be a good way to help mainstream them.

    When we called the first organizational meeting, a gruffy-looking single man in his 40s showed up. He said he liked working with boys. We fathers took one look at him and said, "No way is this guy going into the woods on overnights with our sons ...!" Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?) The Mexican boys attended a few meetings/events and then dropped out.

    I wouldn't touch the Boy Scouts today, and our church would probably refuse sponsorship. It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity ... and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting. What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males. They are now more likely to drop out than the Hispanics. It is a form of organizational suicide. Let the Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts for that matter) expire in peace.

    Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?)

    It’s not thinking. It’s responding to a 30+ year long assault on freedom of assembly. Someone here mentioned the Rotary Club. Well it used to be all male until it fought a court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court in which they were forced to admit women. The Boy Scouts actually won their court battle to deny gays, but by then the writing was on the wall. The corporate fascists who now run the world are all too happy to destroy anything that stands in their way, and that includes freedom of assembly. They began denying funds to the BSA, and the BSA was forced to relent. I would suspect that there are still plenty of church-sponsored BSA troops that still succeed in keeping out the creeps, though.

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    "The corporate fascists who now run the world...."
    Stop calling them fascists. Mussolini would never have permitted such behaviour.
    These people are something infinitely more decadent. To prevent the collapse of the West, they must be defeated
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  99. @joeyjoejoe
    I have some first-person experience with both boy scouts and girl scouts (my kids are young beginners in both organizations-in a rural part of the country).

    Girl Scouts at the kindergarten level: basically a club where the girls learn to socialize. Its run by one of the girls' moms, and when I arrive to pick my daughter up, the girls are singing, cutting out flowers, or doing some other typically kindergarten girl activity. We never bought the girlscout smock, we have a stack of patches that my daughter received, but we never bothered to sew them onto anything. We sold cookies, but only by taking the signout sheet to parents' workplace. Pretty innocuous. Whether it gets political or even exists for the older girls, I don't know.

    Boy Scouts at early elementary level (Cub Scouts): It struck me that the Boy Scouts are in trouble. Each grade level (Tigers, Bears, etc) has a Den of about 4 boys-really not enough to be a critical mass of fun (it works like any other club. If you have a club of only 4 members, you're too small). Furthermore, that 'club' is not a club of a given school or neighborhood: it is a club from several different neighborhoods, because membership is so small. Thus, that club consists of 4 people who don't know each other outside of the boy scouts. And I don't think the organization will survive that. 4 classmates getting together to hike is feasible. 4 strangers getting together (and driving as much as 1/2 hour to do it) is really not going to be sustained over the long run.

    Furthermore, the boy scouts seemed essentially pointless. My son wanted to try boy scouts because he wanted to camp, start fires, shoot bb guns, etc (incidently, my daughter wanted to do girl scouts for the same reason-both unrealistic for 5 and 6 year olds). And while there was some of that, the weekly meetings really consisted of uninteresting activities (citizenship, getting to know each other with the kind of silly activities you have in corporate training seminars, designing 'games' in the meeting room which tended to mean rolling or throwing balls across the room, etc). Even a proposed field trip (go to a sporting event-i.e. watch other people do sports, rather than do sports yourself) devolved into going to a girls' softball game (because the tickets were cheaper or even free).

    The leadership, as a general rule, seemed undisciplined and unconfident (which may very well have been a factor of that specific leadership rather than the boy scouts in general, I fully admit). The boys did not learn responsibility, or discipline, or attention to a schedule or detail, or any of the other things that they are learning from sports other nights of the week. It was really more of playtime-but again, playtime amongst a bunch of near strangers. Why drive across town to ride your bike in the parking lot of a church with strangers, when you can bike at home with your neighbors straight out of the garage?

    So Boy Scouts seemed like an organization in its death throws. I have a friend who rock climbs, so I will take my kids with him and his kids (future 1st grader) and go rock climbing. My kids do a variety of sports (even if not well) where they learn structure. We have neighbors to ride bikes with. The scouts just seems like an organization in search of a purpose.

    joeyjoejoe

    When I was raising my kids in a suburb of Boston 10 years ago the Cub Scouts still seemed pretty healthy. Most of my sons’ troop’s activities consisted of science experiments, camping trips, overnights at Battleship cove, trips to see the PawSox, etc. Very much boy friendly fun activities, and there were about 20-25 kids any given year. Maybe the fact that our troop was about 95% Jewish (I think we were the only goyim) created more cohesion and purpose than other posters seem to be finding.

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    I believe Baden-Powell's vision for the scouts was that it would generate non denominational good will among Christian sects and I believe Jews as well. We forget about how hung up our grandparents were with Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Anglicans, ..... heaven forbid Jews intermarrying.

    Scouting was "citizenist" long before Steve Sailer was born.

    For Jews in particular however, Scouting presented a problem. First of all was the whole Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality obsession but that did not happen until post WWII.

    But I think Kevin MacDonald is also right, Scouting was/is a clear threat to the "A People that Shall Dwell Alone" Jewish group evolutionary strategy right from its inception.

    Back in the 70s/80s there was a sociologist/rabbi regular contributor for the NYRB who was obsessed with the preservation of Jewish ethnocentrism and harped on how Jewish parents who let their kids join goyim dominated scout troops were threat to future Jewish identity.

    Therefore I thought you might find this tidbit interesting

    http://www.jta.org/1930/08/01/archive/large-georgia-camp-taken-over-for-jewish-girl-scouts

    Large Georgia Camp Taken over for Jewish Girl Scouts

    August 1, 1930
    Atlanta (Jul. 31)

    Camp Civitania, of north Georgia, which is owned by the Atlanta Girl Scout organization and is one of the biggest of its kind in the southeast, will be taken over for the entire month of August as an exclusive camp for Jewish Girl Scouts.

     

    The ACLU has spent decades trying to destroy the BSA. Every wonder what their real agenda was?
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  100. @NickG

    Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.
     
    Indians - even high caste Hindus - are not all wholly averse to marrying white foreigners.

    I am a Brit, born in 1960 in Culcutta India of British expat parents and spent my first decade of life in India. My father was a senior manager and became a director in a famous British lubricants company. We knew quite a number of Anglo-Indian couples.

    My folks were posted back to the UK in the mid 70s after a further 4 year stint in Singapore. Both my folks are still alive and in their mid 80s. Naturally, the family kept a number of contacts from the India days, including some Indians - all high-caste Hindus.

    I was late marrying and for years my English Mum was regaled with offers to 'find Nick a nice Indian wife'. I actually gave the idea some consideration but ploughed my furrow elsewhere, eventually marrying an Afrikaner (white South African).

    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.

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    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.
     
    They havn't been back since the early 90s and me, even longer. India has liberalised its economy from the bad old socialism days - which has helped with growth, pulling people out of poverty and has resulted in a massively burgeoning middle class. But India is still a massive assault on the senses.

    And the population numbers are crazy. My folks went by ship to India in 1958 - the population then, was about 380 million. It's now around 1.3 billion -source. That's mental. Per square kilometre India comes in at 390, the UK at 260 and the US at 85.

    That said, my England based 59 yr old elder brother has been there on holiday the last 2 years with his wife, for a month each time, and loved it.

    After 23 years in South Africa, my appetite for the third world has, I confess abated somewhat. If it's third World I want low population density, scenery, fauna and flora - or else I want first world. Though I confess there is much about India, it's culture and some Indians I naturally warm to in a way that could just never happen with Africa.

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  101. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    How does this liberalism affect the actual activities of Girl Scouts?

    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    That said, it is true that the national (and to a lesser extent regional) organizations are Left-Feminist, but I would characterize it as more of the corporate-type of Left-Feminism than the SJW type. The national organization does not exert that much influence over the individual troops. Not that they are not trying, but as mentioned, the troops are mostly run by the volunteer Troop Leaders who mostly are grown up former Girl Scouts and mostly reiterate what they did growing up, so the Nationals don’t get the look-in they would like.

    The National/Regionals also levy a heavy tax on the cookie sales. Most of the cookies’ sale price ends up going to that useless overclass of paper-pushing parasites. The Troop doing the actual selling only gets a few pennies on the dollar. Once my Troop realized this, they lost interest in selling cookies for the (wo)Man.

    It is understandable to want to bypass the GS and go with some alternative, and in many cases this may be the right way to go. The GS, however, has an enormous installed base of legacy infrastructure, both tangible and intangible, that none of the alternatives, so far as I know, can yet match. Campsites, headquarters buildings, relationships with other organizations, both domestically and internationally, the brand recognition of the “Scouts” name, all this is the accumulation of over a century of work and goodwill. It is not easy to replace. Ideally, it would be good to take back the Scouts. But I think that (as so much else) has to await a cultural formation where traditional values can sound nice to modern ears.

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    I don't have any daughters, so I don't know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts' Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
    , @Jack D
    Viewed from another perspective, the Girl Scouts are a cookie selling business with an exploited, unpaid child labor force.

    This explains:

    1. Why they toe the line on SJW propriety - left wing organizations can get away with this kind of stuff but for badwhite cults the government enforces the letter of the law.

    2. The concern with complying with forms and laws - if they somehow cross the line on #1 despite their best efforts, they want to show that they did everything by the book in order stay out of jail.
    , @Triumph104

    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.
     
    This shows the foolishness in the Girl Scout's leadership trying to boost their membership with blacks, Hispanics, and the poor. The mothers of these groups are notoriously inattentive. They don't attend PTA meetings or teachers conferences and they most certainly don't seek out or develop enrichment activities for their own children. The article says that many of these girls are on waiting lists -- because their lazy mothers won't lead a troop.

    The article states that 23 percent of current Girl Scouts are black and Hispanic, well I guarantee you many of them are not regular participants, they are just names on a list.

    SomethingToSay paid the fees so Mexican boys could participate in scouts but their lazy parents didn't make sure they got to the meetings. The same thing happens when you offer these groups free tutoring, a bunch of no-shows.

    Peter Akuleyev said, "Maybe the fact that our troop was about 95% Jewish (I think we were the only goyim) created more cohesion and purpose than other posters seem to be finding." Yup, that was the secret in the sauce.
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  102. @Almost Missouri
    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    That said, it is true that the national (and to a lesser extent regional) organizations are Left-Feminist, but I would characterize it as more of the corporate-type of Left-Feminism than the SJW type. The national organization does not exert that much influence over the individual troops. Not that they are not trying, but as mentioned, the troops are mostly run by the volunteer Troop Leaders who mostly are grown up former Girl Scouts and mostly reiterate what they did growing up, so the Nationals don't get the look-in they would like.

    The National/Regionals also levy a heavy tax on the cookie sales. Most of the cookies' sale price ends up going to that useless overclass of paper-pushing parasites. The Troop doing the actual selling only gets a few pennies on the dollar. Once my Troop realized this, they lost interest in selling cookies for the (wo)Man.

    It is understandable to want to bypass the GS and go with some alternative, and in many cases this may be the right way to go. The GS, however, has an enormous installed base of legacy infrastructure, both tangible and intangible, that none of the alternatives, so far as I know, can yet match. Campsites, headquarters buildings, relationships with other organizations, both domestically and internationally, the brand recognition of the "Scouts" name, all this is the accumulation of over a century of work and goodwill. It is not easy to replace. Ideally, it would be good to take back the Scouts. But I think that (as so much else) has to await a cultural formation where traditional values can sound nice to modern ears.

    I don’t have any daughters, so I don’t know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts’ Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

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    Or how about the 140,000 acre Philmont Boy Scout Ranch?
    , @Boomstick
    In an iSteve two-fer, an Oregon scout council is proposing leasing part of an oceanfront scout camp to the golf course developer who created Bandon Dunes.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2015/12/controversy_swirls_over_golf_d.html

    I don't know that Keizer et al would be thrilled with some 13 year old scouts on their course working on their golf merit badge.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, the local Boy Scouts divested themselves of a couple of camps, one of which is now a leisure camp ground for people with mobile homes. The sale was on the QT, only heard about it after the fact. You could have covered the purchase price by selectively logging the site, probably around 300 acres.
    , @AnotherDad
    "the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings

    That's for sure. Boy Scout councils own some amazing properties:

    Our home camp, Camp Parsons is about 1/2 mile of waterfront on Dabob Bay off Hood Canal. Terrific, well run camp in terrific location. My son went there four times--a really special place.

    When I was scoutmaster in 2009 we went to Camp Easton, on the west shore of Lake Coeur d'Alene, with about 1/2 mile of waterfront, about half low bank, and several hundred feet with a sandy beach. Our campsite was insane. I had a hammock in the pines, with views out across the water and beautiful sunsets. The Inland Northwest Council has been offered millions for this--even a property swap to across the lake, plus new facilities and several millions in an endowment. (Fortunately they are holding onto it.)

    The next year--my last summer camp as scoutmaster--I took the guys to Meriwether--the Portland council's flagship. They have a beautiful span of Oregon coastline south of Tillamook. You can do summer camp in cabins with ocean view--if you can put up with the wind. Our "beach night"--huge bonfire, then sleeping on the beach under the stars--very memorable. (Our troop is headed back there this summer.)

    Scouting was fortunate to fire up, before the nation was as prosperous--with the rich sucking up every nice piece of real estate for 2nd, 3rd, 4th homes--and before it just plain got filled up with immigrants--causing even more people to seek escape to beautiful--but expensive--retreats. Scouting couldn't afford any of these places today. Very sad. But very fortunate, that they are still there for young men who want to scout.

    , @Almost Missouri
    The Girls Scouts' Camp Edith Macy is on several hundred sylvan acres near the Clintons' home in Chappaqua NY, where sub-one acre properties routinely go for seven figures and open building lots don't exist. Needless to say, even a billionaire would have trouble reproducing such a thing.

    As AnotherDad commented, Scouting was in the right place at the right time to acquire nationwide portfolios of spectacular properties any developer would kill for. It is simply not reproducible below the century time scale. Hence the Left--who like Tolkien's Sauron cannot create, only steal and mock--are all over this. Unlike Tolkien's story, I don't foresee any Gandalf coming to sort this out. The Hobbits are just going to have to revolt and take back the Shire.
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  103. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Masonic lodges, bowling leagues and such have all dwindled. That’s just how it goes. Let the Scouts die out, it’s time is past. In the future no one will even know that it ever existed. When open gays and SJW types come on board you know the ship is in the process of sinking.

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    What an utterly idiotic post. When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders. These organizations still often serve as excellent counters to Multicult schools and Hollywood drivel, and the shit that the leadership believes in is all but invisible at the local level. They will eventually be reclaimed in full, if they aren't abandoned.
    , @flyingtiger
    We were talking about this at my last Mason meeting. After our usual discussion on how we are going to take over the world, we talked about our dwindling enrollment. Many members believe that the ones still coming are more committed to our mission of world conquest than ever before. Besides with fewer people, there is less chance of our secrets being revealed.
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  104. @Golan Globus
    Scouting is a product of urbanization. So are organized team sports. Rural kids don't need to join organizations to explore the wilds, or kick balls through fields. Its the city kids who get involved in these things.

    Organized sports have nothing to do with urbanization. There were rural sports teams back in the 1910s. My great grandfather spent his teenage years playing baseball for a local league and his school, my great grandmother played basketball (yes they had women’s sports then)

    They lived in a town of maybe 2,000?

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  105. @Steve Sailer
    The lesbian-feminist perspective is simply one that never occurs to Mexican women.

    When did the feminists/lesbians take over the girl scouts??? Late Seventies/Early Eighties???

    I know the Adorno admiring Cultural Marxists have had fits with both the BSA and GSA since the thirties.
    Because??? Well it was pretty obvious that the BSA/GSA were implicitly white identity.

    When I was in scouts, Girl Scouts focused on traditional activities that appealed to young girls with the added emphasis on character development and initiative.

    The implicit message of Girl Scouts was “Look here girls, someday you will want to find a husband for whom you will both be compatible. You could do a lot worse than marrying a former Boy Scout”…..

    I used to help run an adult Winter/Summer sports and activities club. A majority of the females who participated in Skiing, camping, canoeing, rock climbing… were former Girl Scouts.

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  106. @Golan Globus
    Scouting is a product of urbanization. So are organized team sports. Rural kids don't need to join organizations to explore the wilds, or kick balls through fields. Its the city kids who get involved in these things.

    Exactly. In my youth (1960s) we were running around in the woods with our .22 rifles shooting the critters, playing ball, pond hockey, building tree forts, etc. The Boy Scouts were for the kids who sucked at sports and terrible at climbing trees.

    I imagine it still is, and I’m happy it’s still there. Youthful trial & error fire-building can sometimes go awry!

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  107. @ic1000
    From the November 2014 NYT, Why This Troop Leader Quit the Girl Scouts.

    Why have nearly one million youth and adult members left in the last decade? I’m sure it’s complicated, but I have one answer from the trenches. As a former scout leader, the Girl Scouts’ forms overwhelmed me. The Girl Scouts organization has a form and a requirement for everything, and in an era of crazy busy family life, parents do not have time for this.
     
    The "Readers' Picks" comments portray the Girl Scouts as a pretty dysfunctional organization, from the adult volunteer's point of view.

    That’s true. The paperwork involved for Girl Scouts is ridiculous and unnecessary, which I’m sure also doesn’t help black and Hispanic enrollment.

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  108. @Steve Sailer
    I don't have any daughters, so I don't know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts' Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Or how about the 140,000 acre Philmont Boy Scout Ranch?

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  109. @Anon
    When I was growing up, my father was a Rotarian and seemed to really love it. I felt really disconnected in my rootless suburb a few months back and decided to look up the local Rotary group. I closed the browser as soon as I saw it was all women. I don't need that headache.

    It’s pretty much 50-50 where I am. Maybe Kiwanis or Lions is more masculine? I tried Rotary for a year but it seemed to attract mainly financial advisors on the make, and other professionals advised to “get out in the community” with their expenses paid by the employer.

    The service projects my particular group went in for were pretty retarded. Also Rotary is a little too peacenicky for me.

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  110. @Shaq
    Thin mints, baby!

    Thin Mints are people!

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  111. @Jefferson
    This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don't see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Black girls are easier than Indian girls … this is news?

    Piltdown went into the cause–caste endogamy–though he overstates how and how much that works with regard to out-marriage to whites for Indians in the West. (Which no doubt varies quite a bit depending on the type of immigrants, their community, how big the community is in the West, their social class, what Western nation they are in and how integrated.)

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    True, but both probably wouldn't mind white(r) kids, South Asian cultures put a high emphasis on skin tone.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Has anyone ever tried yet?
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  112. @anonymous
    Masonic lodges, bowling leagues and such have all dwindled. That's just how it goes. Let the Scouts die out, it's time is past. In the future no one will even know that it ever existed. When open gays and SJW types come on board you know the ship is in the process of sinking.

    What an utterly idiotic post. When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders. These organizations still often serve as excellent counters to Multicult schools and Hollywood drivel, and the shit that the leadership believes in is all but invisible at the local level. They will eventually be reclaimed in full, if they aren’t abandoned.

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    When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders.
     
    OK, but how? Open resistance tends to bring the attention of the media and then the state. The Boy Scouts lost on the homo thing. They won at the Supreme Court but eventually gave up as it became clear that they would be harassed endlessly by the government.
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  113. IA says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Scouting is definitely an Anglo thing in the United States, and to us, a very typically American childhood activity.

    Of course, scouting has been a worldwide phenomenon for over a century, but oddly, it's not necessarily an "Anglo" thing beyond our shores. It would be natural to assume that the scouting movement strictly followed the British Empire, but the largest contingent of scouts in the world is in Indonesia, which has twice as many as the United States.

    While there is a something of a weak correlation with the British Commonwealth, scouting exists in strength in many other non-Anglo countries too.

    More interesting is the rapidity with which the scouting movement caught on. Indonesia's scouts date back to before WW I as indeed do the scouts in most of the other major scouting countries. And in most of them, the girl scouts or girl guides organizations were established within a decade of the boys' organization.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement_members

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Association_of_Girl_Guides_and_Girl_Scouts_members

    Note also that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by or affiliated to the movement started by Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly in the former East Bloc countries and Communist China. My comments and the links are not about those, just as Steve Sailer's comments are strictly about scouts in America.

    . . . so that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by or affiliated to the movement started by Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly in the former East Bloc countries and Communist China.

    Where does it say scouts are in Communist China? Taiwan, yes, but not China.

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    Where does it say scouts are in Communist China? Taiwan, yes, but not China.
     
    It doesn't, because the scouting movement started by Baden-Powell is not recognized or allowed there. They have their own scout-like movement, the Young Pioneers of China and the Communist Youth League, ultimately subsumed within the umbrella of the CCP. There are also some local scout organizations now, in Hainan Island and Shanghai. To quote (and repeat) myself, and re-emphasise in bold.

    Note also that there are many other national scouting organizations around the world which are not inspired by ...Robert Baden-Powell—these are mostly...Communist China. My comments and the links are not about those...

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  114. @TangoMan
    When social mores were more restrictive those who violated the mores were instantly recognized as unfit for good company. As we eased up on uptight morality and permitted a wider range of behaviors to fall within acceptable society, it became more troublesome to snoop out the misfits who violated the old standards of morals.

    When social mores were more restrictive those who violated the mores were instantly recognized as unfit for good company.

    Social mores are as just as restrictive as they were fifty plus years ago. And one can lose their job and social standing if one violates them. The only difference between now and fifty plus years ago is that the mores have changed.

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  115. @PiltdownMan
    The Scottish writer, William Dalrymple, has written that many of those 18th century "marriages" between the young men of the English East India Company and native Indians were actually not with Indian girls from traditional Indian Hindu and Muslim families but rather with sundry dancing girls, courtesans, and freed harem wives.

    These women were the liberated spoils of war from the subjugation or defeat by the British of lesser Indian Muslim potentates and sultans. They were, according to Dalrymple, of Turkish, Persian or Circassian origin, as was often typical of harem ladies.

    Dalrymple, like many suicidal westerners, pushes Islam. I wouldn’t put much stock in his writing.

    The whitest Indians are high caste.

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    Dalrymple, like many suicidal westerners, pushes Islam. I wouldn’t put much stock in his writing.

     

    William Dalrymple is a slightly eccentric Scottish Laird in real life, the younger son of a Baronet, and a bit of a romantic orientalist, somewhat in love with the syncretic cultures of the tolerant periods of Mughal rule in India.

    But suicidal?

    Dalrymple wrote the superb 'From the Holy Mountain' twenty years ago, an account of the two thousand year history of Christianity in the Holy Land and how it is suddenly being rapidly erased by the twin forces of Islamism and Zionism.

    He deserves major props for raising that alarm.

    Alas, it has gone largely unheeded since then, notwithstanding some of the ineffectual recent pearl-clutching about the fate of Eastern Christians under ISIS.

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  116. @Peter Akuleyev
    When I was raising my kids in a suburb of Boston 10 years ago the Cub Scouts still seemed pretty healthy. Most of my sons' troop's activities consisted of science experiments, camping trips, overnights at Battleship cove, trips to see the PawSox, etc. Very much boy friendly fun activities, and there were about 20-25 kids any given year. Maybe the fact that our troop was about 95% Jewish (I think we were the only goyim) created more cohesion and purpose than other posters seem to be finding.

    I believe Baden-Powell’s vision for the scouts was that it would generate non denominational good will among Christian sects and I believe Jews as well. We forget about how hung up our grandparents were with Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Anglicans, ….. heaven forbid Jews intermarrying.

    Scouting was “citizenist” long before Steve Sailer was born.

    For Jews in particular however, Scouting presented a problem. First of all was the whole Adorno, The Authoritarian Personality obsession but that did not happen until post WWII.

    But I think Kevin MacDonald is also right, Scouting was/is a clear threat to the “A People that Shall Dwell Alone” Jewish group evolutionary strategy right from its inception.

    Back in the 70s/80s there was a sociologist/rabbi regular contributor for the NYRB who was obsessed with the preservation of Jewish ethnocentrism and harped on how Jewish parents who let their kids join goyim dominated scout troops were threat to future Jewish identity.

    Therefore I thought you might find this tidbit interesting

    http://www.jta.org/1930/08/01/archive/large-georgia-camp-taken-over-for-jewish-girl-scouts

    Large Georgia Camp Taken over for Jewish Girl Scouts

    August 1, 1930
    Atlanta (Jul. 31)

    Camp Civitania, of north Georgia, which is owned by the Atlanta Girl Scout organization and is one of the biggest of its kind in the southeast, will be taken over for the entire month of August as an exclusive camp for Jewish Girl Scouts.

    The ACLU has spent decades trying to destroy the BSA. Every wonder what their real agenda was?

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    The rabbi's railing against Jewish parents letting their kids join non-Jewish-dominated scout troops reflects a division of opinion within the Jewish community. The rabbi wouldn't have had anything to rail against if there hadn't been Jewish parents who disagreed with him and allowed their kids to join such scout troops. Between the 1970's and the current day, the rabbi's position has lost influence among non-Orthodox Jews, who still form the majority of the Jewish population in the United States. Reform rabbis are now allowed to perform religious intermarriages, and non-Orthodox Jewish parents are far less likely to disown children who marry out than their parents or grandparents were.
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  117. That Atlantic article’s comments are just dominated by alt-right trolls. It’s hilarious. Steve’s comment sections is actually less unsavoury than the Atlantic’s!

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  118. @Whiskey
    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    Indian women are (obviously) darker than white women and so appear–first glance–less feminine than white women to a white man, simply based on the basic feminine fair, masculine dark schema.

    However, Indian women are a product of the third great civilization–after the West and China–so they have created\selected down through the eons in a civilized patriarchal society to fulfill the feminine role. There are some specific differences you can point to–less severe winter, caste endogamy, arranged marriages–that have no-doubt subtly affected selection relative to whites. But basically Indian women, like white women and Asian women are the products of thousands of years of a selection process that creates “feminine” women, because in civilization women depend on male labor and men value feminine women and so feminine women reproduce.

    Black women in contrast are the product of a selection process outside of civilization, where they mostly supported themselves with tropical hoeing and gardening agriculture and did not depending on male labor for their survival. This selects for a much less feminine–more “bitchy” or more “difficult”–personality, as well as poor marriage stability and the matrilineal child support (“fostering out”) pattern.

    Whether a guy finds Indian women attractive–personal taste. But darker skin != non-feminine. Indian women’s average femininity is pretty much in the same ballpark as white women. All the flirting, signaling, cues, desires, male and female roles, dominance and submission work exactly as you would expect.

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    If I may...

    Africa is a mixed bag. Some Black-African cultures did indeed develop along the lines you mention; Central and lower Sub-Saharan Africa perhaps (I honestly haven't studied those areas enough). Other areas like Sene-Gambia (Western Africa) and East Africa (Somalia and Ethiopia [aka Ancient Abyssinia]) were cultured in a sense that a European may appreciate. Not as influential as the Chinese or the Indian Subcontinent, but relative to their environment.

    Of course this is a matter of taste, but Ethiopian and Somali women are absolutely gorgeous; their skin is smooth like porcelain and the symmetry is wonderful. An American (Greek-Irish background) that I know - that has traveled extensively through Africa - joked that he thought that they killed off any ugly infants because he never came across one of them that wasn't beautiful.

    Likewise, the women of (some of) the peoples of Western Africa are also very pretty as had been noted by Ibn Battuta, who had traveled all over the Muslim world (and beyond), from the Balkans to North Africa to India to China.

    And women from those areas are very traditional and feminine - though some (at least some of the West Africans can come from matriarchal cultures in which case they) are indeed more independent.

    Peace.
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  119. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    Easily. White people are content to work long hours, have fewer children pay taxes that convert into welfare benefits that are a reward for ethnic women who produce babies like a factory conveyor belt.

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  120. @Truth
    "And have you ever tried cooking retried beans on an open grill?"

    You can't retry beans, we have double-jeopardy laws.

    I hate to encourage you, but that was funny.

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  121. @AnotherDad

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.
     
    Black girls are easier than Indian girls ... this is news?

    Piltdown went into the cause--caste endogamy--though he overstates how and how much that works with regard to out-marriage to whites for Indians in the West. (Which no doubt varies quite a bit depending on the type of immigrants, their community, how big the community is in the West, their social class, what Western nation they are in and how integrated.)

    True, but both probably wouldn’t mind white(r) kids, South Asian cultures put a high emphasis on skin tone.

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  122. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell."

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren't old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I'd be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.

    When you’re bitching about anecdotes you probably shouldn’t respond with one of your own. Semitic name + Talmudic hypocrisy. Shocker.

    It’s not my fault you’re not paying attention to what your kid is doing.

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  123. My daughter is in the Girl Scouts and I haven’t detected any SJW being pushed upon her. The affluent white troop leaders do a good job of keeping the minorities out of the troop ironically. Its mostly word of mouth and the advertising they do is done within neighborhoods so you know exactly which girls you are getting. Its kind of like a social club by invitation, the troop mothers can select girls they find to have good character and purposefully omit information for those families they don’t like. Most of the non white parents don’t expend much effort in locating a troop and the troop itself doesn’t expend the effort in recruiting them.

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  124. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    “Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina.”

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    The central government has trillions of dollars in resources at its disposal, including a huge military apparatus, and demographic change is its top priority.

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    From NPR this morning, an article on women with minors, or minors alone, entering the US illegally at levels approaching those of two summers ago but...

    Immigration officials don't seem worried about a repeat of the humanitarian crisis on the border that made international news two years ago. Caught unawares at the time, the Border Patrol packed dirty, bewildered young immigrants elbow-to-elbow into frigid cells.

    Today, the government has new family holding facilities, and unaccompanied kids are sent to well-staffed church camps.
     
    So the real problem wasn't that they were coming, it's that we hadn't baked them a cake before they got here. Now we have the cake.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/05/31/480073262/u-s-mexico-border-sees-resurgence-of-central-americans-seeking-asylum
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  125. @snorlax
    According to the alt-right, straight men are far more likely to be pedophiles than gay men. Thus, child molestation will skyrocket if men are allowed to use the ladies' room.

    The greatest PR scam of the last 50 years has been the relabeling of predatory homosexual Catholic Priests as Pedophiles instead of Gays. Most, if not all of the victims were underage but post-puberty. We need to put the rainbow flag back on these monsters.

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  126. Well as none other than Heidi Beirich of the SPLC noted just days ago:

    “What we know from sociological research is that when a neighborhood diversifies people retreat to their homes, they hunker down. You have to really take serious positive work in rapidly changing demographic areas, to not result in either social breakdown or other problems. It’s a big issue for the United States. On its own, it’s not gonna happen.”

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/gatekeeping-elites-weve-never-been-weaker-and-never-more-hated

    They know what they’re doing, but remember her words: “On its own, it’s not gonna happen.” Remove the campaign to make it happen, and an “inevitability” becomes yet another “failure”.

    They won’t stop until they’re too frightened to continue. And they ARE trembling…

    It’s push time.

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  127. I don’t hear much about 4H anymore. Though I didn’t participate, growing up in suburban Boston in the ’70s I was well aware of 4H and could have easily participated. I suppose 4H still exists, but must be dwindling even faster than Scouting.

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    I haven't been to the old fairs of my South Shore youth, the Brockton and Marshfield Fairs, in more than 20 years, but I was at the Topsfield Fair a couple years ago and there was a small 4H barn. I've also been to the Deerfield (NH) Fair a few times with my brother's family, and the 4H contingent is substantial.

    I imagine that the farm-to-table movement has made "boutique" animal husbandry economically viable.

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  128. @AnotherDad

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.
     
    Black girls are easier than Indian girls ... this is news?

    Piltdown went into the cause--caste endogamy--though he overstates how and how much that works with regard to out-marriage to whites for Indians in the West. (Which no doubt varies quite a bit depending on the type of immigrants, their community, how big the community is in the West, their social class, what Western nation they are in and how integrated.)

    Has anyone ever tried yet?

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  129. @Jefferson
    This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don't see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Why would any sane White guy want to do either one?

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  130. @Wilkey
    Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?)

    It's not thinking. It's responding to a 30+ year long assault on freedom of assembly. Someone here mentioned the Rotary Club. Well it used to be all male until it fought a court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court in which they were forced to admit women. The Boy Scouts actually won their court battle to deny gays, but by then the writing was on the wall. The corporate fascists who now run the world are all too happy to destroy anything that stands in their way, and that includes freedom of assembly. They began denying funds to the BSA, and the BSA was forced to relent. I would suspect that there are still plenty of church-sponsored BSA troops that still succeed in keeping out the creeps, though.

    “The corporate fascists who now run the world….”
    Stop calling them fascists. Mussolini would never have permitted such behaviour.
    These people are something infinitely more decadent. To prevent the collapse of the West, they must be defeated

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  131. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell."

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren't old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I'd be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.

    PP would be eugenic if we didn’t have a strong welfare state.

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    The problem with PP is the ethos it inculcates among those with the best genes, which is what makes it non-eugenic. That has nothing to do with welfare states.
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  132. “In recent decades, the Girl Scouts have been highly feminist.”

    Yup. Which is why I never buy their delicious industrially-manufactured cookies — I don’t support any organization that teaches girls to be men.

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  133. The Boy Scouts IIRC stemmed from Baden Powell’s experience during the siege of Mafeking in the Boer War, what he took from that was great admiration for the Boer’s resiliency, well rounded skills (e.g., marksmanship, the notion of “three on a match” stemmed from here), and ability to live off the land. So part — if not more than part — was to create an organization that would foster these kinds of traits in English boys who had largely lost their survivalist roots.

    The analogy for Americans would involve the relationship of the standard urban/suburban American with frontiersmen of previous ages.

    I would expect therefore that the Girl Scouts started later with a view to complement the Boy Scouts, which means that the Girl Scouts would need to be trained in the same kind of survivalist skills, including the development of stamina, teamwork, and so on.

    Going back to Baden Powell, he was not the first person to develop a crusade to toughen up and develop young boys for paramilitary purposes, or for the development of “virtue”, i.e., in the sense of manliness, being preceded by at least one, Friedrich Jahn, or Father Jahn as I learned from my German PE teacher, who invented modern gymnastics after the Germans were severely defeated by Napoleon.

    But I think part of the problem is that teaching young men virtue and well-roundedness (the fabled “arete” of the Greeks) doesn’t seem ot be part of anyone’s curriculum anymore. The fact that few go into military service might be part of it, the fact that people are only guided into fields that will make larger salaries seems part of it, but whatever it is, there doesn’t seem to be much of a premium on a man’s ability to survive and get by in the wild or on minimum resources as there used to be.

    For these reasons I think the Boy Scouts have questionable relevance today, because actually we aren’t training, because we aren’t rewarding, young men who have mastered traditional masculine skills: we are rewarding young men who do well on SAT tests.

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    My first scoutmaster was an ex-special forces vet who had learned a formidable array of skills. He taught us some pretty good stuff with ropework and orienteering, but was never an asshole-I don't remember him ever raising his voice. When you have nothing to prove, you don't need to. The assistant was a cigar chomping cotton farmer. After a couple of years some of the dads had them replaced with this snipping insurance salesman who would openly ridicule people. I lost interest quickly and left right before getting my Life badge.

    Re Steve's point about the large base of BSA facilities, the Boy Scout camp I went to was excellent- better than most summer camps.

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  134. @iStevefan
    Recall they were forever telling the Boy Scouts that they needed to allow homosexuals, or they'd die out. I'm assuming the Girl Scouts have crossed that barrier years ago. I wonder if that could be preventing Mexicans and muslim immigrants from joining.

    Another organization that went all SJW years ago is the YWCA. I remember taking my 2 year old daughter there for swimming lessons in about 1992 and they had a big sign in the lobby that said something like “Our mission is to fight racism wherever it exists”. I thought, WTF?

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  135. @TangoMan
    It has also made an aggressive push to reach underserved communities, meaning poorer, ethnic minorities.

    They had better hope that they're not successful. This looks like a strategy cooked up by people who engage in static analysis. Add more poor minorities onto the existing base of white middle class girls and the organization will increase in size. Meanwhile, in the dynamic universe, as more poor minorities come in the Girl Scouts will likely lose white middle class girls and probably at a rate greater than the gains made by increasing poor minority enrollment.

    That has to depend on how integrated the troops are (or whatever girl scouts call their local unit of organization). As long as there are NAM troops and white troops and they are separate, this problem won’t crop up, at least not right away.

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  136. What parents would want their little girl to grow up to be like Hillary Clinton? Queen Athaliah is a more charming role model.

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  137. @anony-mouse
    Look at the bright side.

    No one for years has knocked on my door trying to sell me overpriced cookies

    And Oreo now has a mint cookie that is pretty good.

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  138. @Steve Sailer
    There are more in the Pending file, so stick around.

    LOL! Steve, I don’t know how you remain sane while moderating all of these comments.

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  139. Bill says:
    @Jefferson
    "Trannies actually seek to have sexual relations with the opposite gender; hence males who claim that they are female will still try to have relationships with females"

    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women, most are not Heterosexual guys like Caitlyn Jenner who like to dress up like women.

    The Black Tranny Laverne Cox from "Orange Is The New Black" dates men in real life. David Arquette's Tranny "sister" Alexis Arquette also dates men.

    Most Trannies in The Philippines and Thailand have a strong physical attraction towards men.

    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women,

    Categories like Tranny and Gay are the problem. People are constantly having to remind each other that there are “two kinds” of Trannies and “two kinds” of gays. If there are two kinds of X, then X probably isn’t a very useful distinction itself. The right distinction is what role you want to play in the bedroom. Do you want to penetrate or be penetrated? “Feminine gays” and “Feminine trannies” want to be penetrated. “Masculine gays/trannies” want to penetrate. This also fixes the “situational homosexuality” problem. Those guys who allegedly turn gay in prison don’t change their opinions about what role they want to play. There are no women around, so they turn to penetrating men. The men being penetrated haven’t changed desired roles either: they are being raped.

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    I prefer an all inclusive term, "the sexually confused". The point you make about penetrators is important today and was critical in Classical Roman times. The shame lay not in homosexual activity but in being penetrated by another.
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  140. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few thousand gorillas left on the planet vs. 7 billion humans and growing? I know whose life I value more in that scenario, especially since we can probably assume the human child came from a family on the left side of the bell curve.

    Actually, the child, and the (apparently unmarried) parents of the child are African Americans.

    So this is a case of #blacklivesmatter trumping #gorillalives matter. However, I’m with you, I don’t want to see the headline someday “Last Living Panda Slain After Tot Enters Enclosure.”

    I recognize the dignity of human life but if we don’t extend it to the animal kingdom we are not doing it right. Moreover, the human race is nowhere near threatened. Many non-human species are.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/parents-child-who-fell-gorilla-8087065

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    I told my wife the child was probably black once I heard there was no apparent fault with the barrier system, as this seemed on par with typical black knuckle-headed recklessness, and that I would definitely bet that way if given SJW-odds (meaning, with a 50% hunch the kid would turn out to be black, I'd definitely take up any SJW putting his money where his mouth was about this potentially happening to anyone, blacks only 12% of the population, yada-yada, and so have a 4X built-in advantage on my bet). And while I'm perfectly aware how easily a small child can wander off when a parent is distracted, this seems like another black-parenting epic fail, as they were actually arguing with the boy before he fell into the enclosure; something like:

    "I'm gonna go swimming."
    "No you ain't."
    "I'll whup yo ass."
    "No you won't."

    Still, when I saw the actual video and not only was the gorilla even more massively muscled then I imagined (almost like some fantasy monster) AND could move with such lightening quickness (we tend to forget how slow human reaction times are compared to the rest of the animal kingdom) I have no doubt the zoo made the right decision, as the gorilla could have dashed the boy's brains to bits in a fraction of a second.

    On CNN I saw one actual animal lover protester with an honest-to-goodness "lives matter" sign (forgot the exact wordage, but no doubt it was a play on BLM). While I had been anticipating some BLM/animal rights circular-firing squad action for days now, the horror of seeing that child in danger on the video put it out of my mind. Honestly the protesters against the zoo, plus your comment, for a tiny moment made me actually not care the white race might be exterminated this century, as no other race seems to fall for this sick nonsense.
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  141. @AnotherDad

    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.
     
    Indian women are (obviously) darker than white women and so appear--first glance--less feminine than white women to a white man, simply based on the basic feminine fair, masculine dark schema.

    However, Indian women are a product of the third great civilization--after the West and China--so they have created\selected down through the eons in a civilized patriarchal society to fulfill the feminine role. There are some specific differences you can point to--less severe winter, caste endogamy, arranged marriages--that have no-doubt subtly affected selection relative to whites. But basically Indian women, like white women and Asian women are the products of thousands of years of a selection process that creates "feminine" women, because in civilization women depend on male labor and men value feminine women and so feminine women reproduce.

    Black women in contrast are the product of a selection process outside of civilization, where they mostly supported themselves with tropical hoeing and gardening agriculture and did not depending on male labor for their survival. This selects for a much less feminine--more "bitchy" or more "difficult"--personality, as well as poor marriage stability and the matrilineal child support ("fostering out") pattern.

    Whether a guy finds Indian women attractive--personal taste. But darker skin != non-feminine. Indian women's average femininity is pretty much in the same ballpark as white women. All the flirting, signaling, cues, desires, male and female roles, dominance and submission work exactly as you would expect.

    If I may…

    Africa is a mixed bag. Some Black-African cultures did indeed develop along the lines you mention; Central and lower Sub-Saharan Africa perhaps (I honestly haven’t studied those areas enough). Other areas like Sene-Gambia (Western Africa) and East Africa (Somalia and Ethiopia [aka Ancient Abyssinia]) were cultured in a sense that a European may appreciate. Not as influential as the Chinese or the Indian Subcontinent, but relative to their environment.

    Of course this is a matter of taste, but Ethiopian and Somali women are absolutely gorgeous; their skin is smooth like porcelain and the symmetry is wonderful. An American (Greek-Irish background) that I know – that has traveled extensively through Africa – joked that he thought that they killed off any ugly infants because he never came across one of them that wasn’t beautiful.

    Likewise, the women of (some of) the peoples of Western Africa are also very pretty as had been noted by Ibn Battuta, who had traveled all over the Muslim world (and beyond), from the Balkans to North Africa to India to China.

    And women from those areas are very traditional and feminine – though some (at least some of the West Africans can come from matriarchal cultures in which case they) are indeed more independent.

    Peace.

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    Cape Verde has the best looking women in Africa. Not only do they have more White blood than any other Blacks in Africa, they also have more White blood on average than African Americans.
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  142. @Golan Globus
    Scouting is a product of urbanization. So are organized team sports. Rural kids don't need to join organizations to explore the wilds, or kick balls through fields. Its the city kids who get involved in these things.

    I agree it’s more of a urban thing. I grew up in a rural area where hiking, playing ball, biking, target shooting were the norm for boys. My father taught me the basic crafts of wood working, metal work and casting.

    Good times, good memories.

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  143. Bill says:
    @Wilkey
    What an utterly idiotic post. When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders. These organizations still often serve as excellent counters to Multicult schools and Hollywood drivel, and the shit that the leadership believes in is all but invisible at the local level. They will eventually be reclaimed in full, if they aren't abandoned.

    When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders.

    OK, but how? Open resistance tends to bring the attention of the media and then the state. The Boy Scouts lost on the homo thing. They won at the Supreme Court but eventually gave up as it became clear that they would be harassed endlessly by the government.

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    OK, but how?
     
    He's just emitting smoke. What's his success rate in actually defending the ship against the 'homo thing'? Zero, same as the rest. Let's see some results.
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  144. @BrokenSymmetry
    Ditto for Merle Oberon.

    Engelbert Humperdinck Born: May 2, 1936 (age 80), Chennai, India
    Full name: Arnold George Dorsey Anglo Indian

    Freddie Mercury of Queen, born Farrokh Bulsara Parsi from India via Africa

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  145. @ben tillman

    “Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina.”

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?
     
    The central government has trillions of dollars in resources at its disposal, including a huge military apparatus, and demographic change is its top priority.

    From NPR this morning, an article on women with minors, or minors alone, entering the US illegally at levels approaching those of two summers ago but…

    Immigration officials don’t seem worried about a repeat of the humanitarian crisis on the border that made international news two years ago. Caught unawares at the time, the Border Patrol packed dirty, bewildered young immigrants elbow-to-elbow into frigid cells.

    Today, the government has new family holding facilities, and unaccompanied kids are sent to well-staffed church camps.

    So the real problem wasn’t that they were coming, it’s that we hadn’t baked them a cake before they got here. Now we have the cake.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/05/31/480073262/u-s-mexico-border-sees-resurgence-of-central-americans-seeking-asylum

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  146. @Almost Missouri
    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    That said, it is true that the national (and to a lesser extent regional) organizations are Left-Feminist, but I would characterize it as more of the corporate-type of Left-Feminism than the SJW type. The national organization does not exert that much influence over the individual troops. Not that they are not trying, but as mentioned, the troops are mostly run by the volunteer Troop Leaders who mostly are grown up former Girl Scouts and mostly reiterate what they did growing up, so the Nationals don't get the look-in they would like.

    The National/Regionals also levy a heavy tax on the cookie sales. Most of the cookies' sale price ends up going to that useless overclass of paper-pushing parasites. The Troop doing the actual selling only gets a few pennies on the dollar. Once my Troop realized this, they lost interest in selling cookies for the (wo)Man.

    It is understandable to want to bypass the GS and go with some alternative, and in many cases this may be the right way to go. The GS, however, has an enormous installed base of legacy infrastructure, both tangible and intangible, that none of the alternatives, so far as I know, can yet match. Campsites, headquarters buildings, relationships with other organizations, both domestically and internationally, the brand recognition of the "Scouts" name, all this is the accumulation of over a century of work and goodwill. It is not easy to replace. Ideally, it would be good to take back the Scouts. But I think that (as so much else) has to await a cultural formation where traditional values can sound nice to modern ears.

    Viewed from another perspective, the Girl Scouts are a cookie selling business with an exploited, unpaid child labor force.

    This explains:

    1. Why they toe the line on SJW propriety – left wing organizations can get away with this kind of stuff but for badwhite cults the government enforces the letter of the law.

    2. The concern with complying with forms and laws – if they somehow cross the line on #1 despite their best efforts, they want to show that they did everything by the book in order stay out of jail.

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    You know, that's a good point. A child-labor exploitation lawsuit against the Girl Scouts' National HQ would give some real traction to the locals who don't want to subsidize the fascist loonies. It is not necessary to win the lawsuit; the embarrassment and negative publicity would quickly force the Nationals to renegotiate financial terms to be more favorable to the local Troops, who don't care about all the SJW stupidities.

    In general, I think this is a good principle of anti-Left warfare: centralization helps the Left/SJWs, decentralization helps the Right/tradition/real people.
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  147. @Yak-15
    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.

    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.

    They havn’t been back since the early 90s and me, even longer. India has liberalised its economy from the bad old socialism days – which has helped with growth, pulling people out of poverty and has resulted in a massively burgeoning middle class. But India is still a massive assault on the senses.

    And the population numbers are crazy. My folks went by ship to India in 1958 – the population then, was about 380 million. It’s now around 1.3 billion -source. That’s mental. Per square kilometre India comes in at 390, the UK at 260 and the US at 85.

    That said, my England based 59 yr old elder brother has been there on holiday the last 2 years with his wife, for a month each time, and loved it.

    After 23 years in South Africa, my appetite for the third world has, I confess abated somewhat. If it’s third World I want low population density, scenery, fauna and flora – or else I want first world. Though I confess there is much about India, it’s culture and some Indians I naturally warm to in a way that could just never happen with Africa.

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    And the population numbers are crazy. My folks went by ship to India in 1958 – the population then, was about 380 million. It’s now around 1.3 billion...That’s mental. Per square kilometre India comes in at 390, the UK at 260 and the US at 85.
     


    Simple arithmetic tells us that India was then only somewhat more densely populated than the US is today when your parents went to India in 1958. No wonder they had a much nicer time than visitors today.

    Googling reveals that the population of New Delhi was a mere 178,000 in 1955. Today, it exceeds 26 million. That's two orders of magnitude more mental!

    The urban India your parents experienced has probably been obliterated.
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  148. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    The public school system become majority-minority a couple of years ago. It is due to Hispanics and Asians and also mixed-race. The percentage of blacks has remained steady since the mixed-blacks broke off and started identifying as mixed-race.

    It is projected that by 2022 whites will only be 45 percent of the public schools. Ironically, SJWs are pushing for more integrated schools as the pool of whites grows smaller and smaller.

    Graph in the link:

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/18/u-s-public-schools-expected-to-be-majority-minority-starting-this-fall/

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  149. @TheJester
    I organized and ran a Boy Scout troop for years. It was sponsored by our local Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod). We tried to involve the sons of a local Mexican family that lived in the orange grove down the street. They couldn't afford the physical and uniforms so I paid for them. I thought this would be a good way to help mainstream them.

    When we called the first organizational meeting, a gruffy-looking single man in his 40s showed up. He said he liked working with boys. We fathers took one look at him and said, "No way is this guy going into the woods on overnights with our sons ...!" Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?) The Mexican boys attended a few meetings/events and then dropped out.

    I wouldn't touch the Boy Scouts today, and our church would probably refuse sponsorship. It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity ... and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting. What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males. They are now more likely to drop out than the Hispanics. It is a form of organizational suicide. Let the Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts for that matter) expire in peace.

    “What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males.”

    They’re not missing anything. That’s the whole point of what they’re doing. And it’s working perfectly.

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  150. @TheJester
    I organized and ran a Boy Scout troop for years. It was sponsored by our local Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod). We tried to involve the sons of a local Mexican family that lived in the orange grove down the street. They couldn't afford the physical and uniforms so I paid for them. I thought this would be a good way to help mainstream them.

    When we called the first organizational meeting, a gruffy-looking single man in his 40s showed up. He said he liked working with boys. We fathers took one look at him and said, "No way is this guy going into the woods on overnights with our sons ...!" Now, in the interests of diversity, it appears that not only homosexual youth are invite to join, but troops can be led by openly homosexual adult males. (What is the Boy Scout leadership thinking?) The Mexican boys attended a few meetings/events and then dropped out.

    I wouldn't touch the Boy Scouts today, and our church would probably refuse sponsorship. It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity ... and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting. What the cultural Marxists miss is that this narrative alienates White males. They are now more likely to drop out than the Hispanics. It is a form of organizational suicide. Let the Boy Scouts (and Girl Scouts for that matter) expire in peace.

    It seems that there is an official narrative associated with supporting diversity … and this includes cultural Marxism, feminism, LGBT, and everything else that affronts traditional WASP/Christian/European values. Reaching out to minority groups with this narrative will not enlarge the base for scouting.

    Mexicans et al are not much interested in the social engineering described and what is more they’re not supposed to be. Those things are only for destroying WASP/Christian/European values and thus destroying white society.

    The last three white people in the US will probably still be arguing about trannies, gays etc while the black/brown world around them ignores such things.

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  151. @SPMoore8
    The Boy Scouts IIRC stemmed from Baden Powell's experience during the siege of Mafeking in the Boer War, what he took from that was great admiration for the Boer's resiliency, well rounded skills (e.g., marksmanship, the notion of "three on a match" stemmed from here), and ability to live off the land. So part -- if not more than part -- was to create an organization that would foster these kinds of traits in English boys who had largely lost their survivalist roots.

    The analogy for Americans would involve the relationship of the standard urban/suburban American with frontiersmen of previous ages.

    I would expect therefore that the Girl Scouts started later with a view to complement the Boy Scouts, which means that the Girl Scouts would need to be trained in the same kind of survivalist skills, including the development of stamina, teamwork, and so on.

    Going back to Baden Powell, he was not the first person to develop a crusade to toughen up and develop young boys for paramilitary purposes, or for the development of "virtue", i.e., in the sense of manliness, being preceded by at least one, Friedrich Jahn, or Father Jahn as I learned from my German PE teacher, who invented modern gymnastics after the Germans were severely defeated by Napoleon.

    But I think part of the problem is that teaching young men virtue and well-roundedness (the fabled "arete" of the Greeks) doesn't seem ot be part of anyone's curriculum anymore. The fact that few go into military service might be part of it, the fact that people are only guided into fields that will make larger salaries seems part of it, but whatever it is, there doesn't seem to be much of a premium on a man's ability to survive and get by in the wild or on minimum resources as there used to be.

    For these reasons I think the Boy Scouts have questionable relevance today, because actually we aren't training, because we aren't rewarding, young men who have mastered traditional masculine skills: we are rewarding young men who do well on SAT tests.

    My first scoutmaster was an ex-special forces vet who had learned a formidable array of skills. He taught us some pretty good stuff with ropework and orienteering, but was never an asshole-I don’t remember him ever raising his voice. When you have nothing to prove, you don’t need to. The assistant was a cigar chomping cotton farmer. After a couple of years some of the dads had them replaced with this snipping insurance salesman who would openly ridicule people. I lost interest quickly and left right before getting my Life badge.

    Re Steve’s point about the large base of BSA facilities, the Boy Scout camp I went to was excellent- better than most summer camps.

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  152. @Dahlia
    "In recent decades, the Girl Scouts have been highly feminist."

    When my oldest girls were of the age to join Girl Scouts, they started openly advocating for Planned Parenthood so that was a non-starter for us and most of our friends.

    My mother, a girl scout back in the 60s, was upset and I explained to her that things weren't like they were in her time. Many Boomers who don't pay much attention have little idea how Leftist public school and other civics institutions for youth were for Gen X, Millenials, and reaching fever pitch with this new generation.

    It's not about being overprotective, but realizing you are absolutely powerless and must withdraw and seek out alternatives for education, civic involvement, meaning, etc.

    Orthodox Jews send their children to Orthodox schools and to Orthodox activities and keep them sheltered. As a result, most of them are virgins when they marry — despite growing up in big cities — and they rarely turn into feminists and SJWs.

    I just need a little money to start setting up yeshivos for goyim so they too can protect their kids from the filth. I’m willing to share the wisdom of the Torah for a price.

    I’ve also got scripts and actors for a whole series of movies designed to eroticize each group to its own kind. Tikkun Olam!

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    Haha!

    In a way my children are sheltered (in the context of religion and social norms), but in other ways, they very much are not.

    I've received one of those police visits for one of my children being out and about unsupervised: my 14 y/o son biking around town. The cop was extremely cool about it, though, and agreed with me that kids were supervised too much, but because it was peculiar in this day and age...
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Ron Unz,
    When you a get second in your busy schedule, you should add a humor button in the agree category...

    AGREE/DISAGREE•LOL•TWEET
    , @Anonymous
    I was raised in a non-Orthodox Jewish home and managed to avoid the worst of the modern filth and indoctrination while getting a reasonable education from secular schools. Some modern Orthodox schools do a good job teaching both religious and secular subjects, but the haredi/hasidic schools turn out people who are well-versed in Talmud but who can barely speak, read and write standard English and who are sorely deficient in math and science knowledge. There aren't a lot of jobs in Talmud research, so the young haredis/hasids are totally dependent on the community for economic survival. Non-Jews would be wise to say no thanks to that model of education (and to end welfare payments to huge haredi and hasidic families forcing the haredis and hasids to limit the sizes of their families and get jobs).
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  153. I am a Cub Scout leader and find the dropping numbers heart-breaking. Our recruiting numbers started to drop when our local elementary school would not allow us into the classroom as apparently one vindictive parent raised a fuss on the gay issue, and the school decided to ban all youth organizations from the school for legal reasons. I think scouts in general is having trouble competing with sports as well. Scouting is demanding for both parent and child. Sports is easy and passive for parents. I don’t think reaching out to minorities will help quite honestly.

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  154. @joeyjoejoe
    I have some first-person experience with both boy scouts and girl scouts (my kids are young beginners in both organizations-in a rural part of the country).

    Girl Scouts at the kindergarten level: basically a club where the girls learn to socialize. Its run by one of the girls' moms, and when I arrive to pick my daughter up, the girls are singing, cutting out flowers, or doing some other typically kindergarten girl activity. We never bought the girlscout smock, we have a stack of patches that my daughter received, but we never bothered to sew them onto anything. We sold cookies, but only by taking the signout sheet to parents' workplace. Pretty innocuous. Whether it gets political or even exists for the older girls, I don't know.

    Boy Scouts at early elementary level (Cub Scouts): It struck me that the Boy Scouts are in trouble. Each grade level (Tigers, Bears, etc) has a Den of about 4 boys-really not enough to be a critical mass of fun (it works like any other club. If you have a club of only 4 members, you're too small). Furthermore, that 'club' is not a club of a given school or neighborhood: it is a club from several different neighborhoods, because membership is so small. Thus, that club consists of 4 people who don't know each other outside of the boy scouts. And I don't think the organization will survive that. 4 classmates getting together to hike is feasible. 4 strangers getting together (and driving as much as 1/2 hour to do it) is really not going to be sustained over the long run.

    Furthermore, the boy scouts seemed essentially pointless. My son wanted to try boy scouts because he wanted to camp, start fires, shoot bb guns, etc (incidently, my daughter wanted to do girl scouts for the same reason-both unrealistic for 5 and 6 year olds). And while there was some of that, the weekly meetings really consisted of uninteresting activities (citizenship, getting to know each other with the kind of silly activities you have in corporate training seminars, designing 'games' in the meeting room which tended to mean rolling or throwing balls across the room, etc). Even a proposed field trip (go to a sporting event-i.e. watch other people do sports, rather than do sports yourself) devolved into going to a girls' softball game (because the tickets were cheaper or even free).

    The leadership, as a general rule, seemed undisciplined and unconfident (which may very well have been a factor of that specific leadership rather than the boy scouts in general, I fully admit). The boys did not learn responsibility, or discipline, or attention to a schedule or detail, or any of the other things that they are learning from sports other nights of the week. It was really more of playtime-but again, playtime amongst a bunch of near strangers. Why drive across town to ride your bike in the parking lot of a church with strangers, when you can bike at home with your neighbors straight out of the garage?

    So Boy Scouts seemed like an organization in its death throws. I have a friend who rock climbs, so I will take my kids with him and his kids (future 1st grader) and go rock climbing. My kids do a variety of sports (even if not well) where they learn structure. We have neighbors to ride bikes with. The scouts just seems like an organization in search of a purpose.

    joeyjoejoe

    Thanks, joeyjoejoe. That was informative.

    I was part of a scout-like organization affiliated with our family church in the 1980s. We went cross-country skiing, snow camping, canoeing, spelunking, spent the night at old forts, raced pinewood derby cars… it was great. Everything we did depended on competent volunteer adult leadership. A lot of the leaders were dads, but not all of them. Some of them were single guys who took a lot of time out of their lives to organize these complicated events and activities for us. I am grateful to them.

    Does that world exist anymore? When I think about it, few things make the present feel so atomized and isolating as my memories of those days.

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  155. @PiltdownMan
    And I should have completed the thought.

    White American males are automatically suspect on that count at some sub-conscious level, and Indian girls face subtle pressure from their parents to not date white guys as they are presumed to be non-virginal.

    I merely recount what I have anecdotally learned during the course of lunchtime conversations with Indian colleagues at work, male and female. Those with actual knowledge should correct the impressions, as necessary.

    Torah likewise assumes that non-Jews are not virgins and if a Jewish woman is taken captive, it is assumed that she was raped. By contrast, most Orthodox Jews are virgins when they marry, which is remarkable in that we all live in cities (often the nice parts).

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    Some of the haredi and hasidic enclaves in the Northeast aren't very nice, even verging on slum conditions.
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  156. @Jefferson
    "Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it’s another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because…science."

    The guy in the article says Donald Trump is an anti-Semite because he once referred to Jon Stewart as Jonathan Leibowitz in a Tweet.

    Jesse Jackson and Ice Cube for example have said a lot worst things about the Jews, yet they are still the darlings of the Jewish Left.

    If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?

    About 80% of American Jews are from Eastern Europe, where their ancestors lived for hundreds of years among the goyim in an atmosphere of mutual loathing. Albert Lindemann’s book Esau’s Tears explains this reflex.

    http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?p=66521

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    My ancestors in Eastern Europe didn't exactly live "among the goyim." They lived in shtetlach that were majority Jewish, sometimes very small ones that were nearly completely Jewish. The Jews and non-Jews had almost nothing to do with one another apart from when they engaged in trade.
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  157. @Almost Missouri
    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    That said, it is true that the national (and to a lesser extent regional) organizations are Left-Feminist, but I would characterize it as more of the corporate-type of Left-Feminism than the SJW type. The national organization does not exert that much influence over the individual troops. Not that they are not trying, but as mentioned, the troops are mostly run by the volunteer Troop Leaders who mostly are grown up former Girl Scouts and mostly reiterate what they did growing up, so the Nationals don't get the look-in they would like.

    The National/Regionals also levy a heavy tax on the cookie sales. Most of the cookies' sale price ends up going to that useless overclass of paper-pushing parasites. The Troop doing the actual selling only gets a few pennies on the dollar. Once my Troop realized this, they lost interest in selling cookies for the (wo)Man.

    It is understandable to want to bypass the GS and go with some alternative, and in many cases this may be the right way to go. The GS, however, has an enormous installed base of legacy infrastructure, both tangible and intangible, that none of the alternatives, so far as I know, can yet match. Campsites, headquarters buildings, relationships with other organizations, both domestically and internationally, the brand recognition of the "Scouts" name, all this is the accumulation of over a century of work and goodwill. It is not easy to replace. Ideally, it would be good to take back the Scouts. But I think that (as so much else) has to await a cultural formation where traditional values can sound nice to modern ears.

    The saving grace of the Girl Scouts is that they are still fairly decentralized. Most of the actual activities of actual Girl Scouts is determined by the (volunteer) Troop Leaders, or in other words, parents (mainly mothers). Good leaders make a good Troop. Good Girl Scout experiences are still available, but it depends (as so much else) on good people and to a lesser extent, good location.

    This shows the foolishness in the Girl Scout’s leadership trying to boost their membership with blacks, Hispanics, and the poor. The mothers of these groups are notoriously inattentive. They don’t attend PTA meetings or teachers conferences and they most certainly don’t seek out or develop enrichment activities for their own children. The article says that many of these girls are on waiting lists — because their lazy mothers won’t lead a troop.

    The article states that 23 percent of current Girl Scouts are black and Hispanic, well I guarantee you many of them are not regular participants, they are just names on a list.

    SomethingToSay paid the fees so Mexican boys could participate in scouts but their lazy parents didn’t make sure they got to the meetings. The same thing happens when you offer these groups free tutoring, a bunch of no-shows.

    Peter Akuleyev said, “Maybe the fact that our troop was about 95% Jewish (I think we were the only goyim) created more cohesion and purpose than other posters seem to be finding.” Yup, that was the secret in the sauce.

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  158. @Charlotte Allen
    As a woman, I'm commenting with this truism:

    All women's organizations will eventually become feminist organizations, if they haven't done so already. (The only exceptions: explicitly anti-feminist groups such as Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum). That means that they will eventually institutionalize the relentless antagonism toward men that is feminism's hallmark.

    Even conservative women eventually succumb. Witness the accusations of "misogyny" leveled at Donald Trump by prominent conservative-movement women. The word "misogyny" is pure feminist-speak. Or the effort to drum Schlafly out of the Eagle Forum--her own organization--because of her support for Trump.

    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of "legitimate" rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as "rape culture," and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it's statistically more likely that it won't. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.

    Women are super-conformists, and since there is always a certain amount of natural antagonism between the sexes, it's inevitable that most women will pick up the feminist rhetoric of high-status women, nearly all of whom are feminists. It's the invasion of the body-snatchers.

    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of “legitimate” rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as “rape culture,” and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it’s statistically more likely that it won’t. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.

    God bless you, Charlotte Allen. I hold no brief for Akin, but you’ve hit this nail squarely on the head. Akin was obviously trying to say “forcible rape” as opposed to “legitimate rape.” Had he not botched that one word, he would still be in Congress today.

    Hopefully, the Independent Women’s Forum hasn’t yet succumbed to feminist drift (or takeover) either.

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  159. I was a Boy Scout and my father was very active in scouting, as were his two brothers. My wife was never a Girl Scout but thought it would be good for our two daughters. She expended a lot of time and effort, first as an assistant troop leader and then as troop leader. Our daughters stayed active through junior HS and then found HS activities to replace scouting. I suggest that those who want to expand scouting into the minority community recruit minority parents to be leaders. Find a philanthropic organization to fund training for minority scout leaders and then form neighborhood troops. Stop making it sound like it’s always the fault of whites that minority parents show little or no interest in enriching the lives of their children.

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  160. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few thousand gorillas left on the planet vs. 7 billion humans and growing? I know whose life I value more in that scenario, especially since we can probably assume the human child came from a family on the left side of the bell curve.
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    More children who will never know their father. I'm glad they harvested Harambe's semen but it seems sort of bizarre.

    I'm waiting for someone to doctor a Koko video so we will know what a bad shoot it was. Here's Koko opining on Climate Change, I wasn't able to locate the heart rending encomium she delivered on the occasion of Robin Williams' death:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aiYSQ4eKP4
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  161. @Steve Sailer
    Vivien Leigh of "Gone With the Wind" was apparently born in Central or South Asia.

    Julie Christie was born in India where her father was a tea planter; she was schooled in France. Olivia de Havilland and her sister Joan Fontaine were born in Japan; their father was an English professor and a patent attorney; their parents divorced when de Havilland was three years old, her mother then moved with the two girls to southern California.

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    The-Indian-sister-haunts-actress-Julie-Christie

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-513285/The-secret-Indian-sister-haunts-actress-Julie-Christie.html
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  162. @joeyjoejoe
    I have some first-person experience with both boy scouts and girl scouts (my kids are young beginners in both organizations-in a rural part of the country).

    Girl Scouts at the kindergarten level: basically a club where the girls learn to socialize. Its run by one of the girls' moms, and when I arrive to pick my daughter up, the girls are singing, cutting out flowers, or doing some other typically kindergarten girl activity. We never bought the girlscout smock, we have a stack of patches that my daughter received, but we never bothered to sew them onto anything. We sold cookies, but only by taking the signout sheet to parents' workplace. Pretty innocuous. Whether it gets political or even exists for the older girls, I don't know.

    Boy Scouts at early elementary level (Cub Scouts): It struck me that the Boy Scouts are in trouble. Each grade level (Tigers, Bears, etc) has a Den of about 4 boys-really not enough to be a critical mass of fun (it works like any other club. If you have a club of only 4 members, you're too small). Furthermore, that 'club' is not a club of a given school or neighborhood: it is a club from several different neighborhoods, because membership is so small. Thus, that club consists of 4 people who don't know each other outside of the boy scouts. And I don't think the organization will survive that. 4 classmates getting together to hike is feasible. 4 strangers getting together (and driving as much as 1/2 hour to do it) is really not going to be sustained over the long run.

    Furthermore, the boy scouts seemed essentially pointless. My son wanted to try boy scouts because he wanted to camp, start fires, shoot bb guns, etc (incidently, my daughter wanted to do girl scouts for the same reason-both unrealistic for 5 and 6 year olds). And while there was some of that, the weekly meetings really consisted of uninteresting activities (citizenship, getting to know each other with the kind of silly activities you have in corporate training seminars, designing 'games' in the meeting room which tended to mean rolling or throwing balls across the room, etc). Even a proposed field trip (go to a sporting event-i.e. watch other people do sports, rather than do sports yourself) devolved into going to a girls' softball game (because the tickets were cheaper or even free).

    The leadership, as a general rule, seemed undisciplined and unconfident (which may very well have been a factor of that specific leadership rather than the boy scouts in general, I fully admit). The boys did not learn responsibility, or discipline, or attention to a schedule or detail, or any of the other things that they are learning from sports other nights of the week. It was really more of playtime-but again, playtime amongst a bunch of near strangers. Why drive across town to ride your bike in the parking lot of a church with strangers, when you can bike at home with your neighbors straight out of the garage?

    So Boy Scouts seemed like an organization in its death throws. I have a friend who rock climbs, so I will take my kids with him and his kids (future 1st grader) and go rock climbing. My kids do a variety of sports (even if not well) where they learn structure. We have neighbors to ride bikes with. The scouts just seems like an organization in search of a purpose.

    joeyjoejoe

    As my old Scoutmaster used to say, “three fourths of scouting is outing.” There’s really no substitute for getting out and doing boy stuff outdoors.

    Iowahawk provided a trenchant observation a few days ago: Leftists identify a respected institution, kill it, gut it, and wear it as a skin suit while demanding respect.

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    That's what the neocons Iowahawk worships did to conservatism. It boggles the mind that anyone who reads this blog could cite that scumbag like he's a good guy.
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  163. @Whiskey
    Outside Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, what White man would want a Black or Indian girlfriend? Neither are known for beauty ir feminie qualities.

    Some Hispanic mulattas or quadroons are attractive. Same goes for”pardas” or “mulatinhas”, that is, Brazilian blackish girls. Not my cup of tea of tea but I can see some white men being attracted to them. Fine dark features, curves, feminine attitude.. Totally different from the “sistas” you probably find repellent. You can also find some cute Eritrean or Ethipian girls. It’s a shame Somalian girls are Muslim, though not totally out of reach for us kafirs.

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  164. @Percy Gryce
    Well, you'll be happy to know then that they harvested the gorilla's seed:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617620/There-future-Harambe-Cincinnati-zoo-reveal-sperm-removed-gorilla-shot-dead-father.html

    More children who will never know their father. I’m glad they harvested Harambe’s semen but it seems sort of bizarre.

    I’m waiting for someone to doctor a Koko video so we will know what a bad shoot it was. Here’s Koko opining on Climate Change, I wasn’t able to locate the heart rending encomium she delivered on the occasion of Robin Williams’ death:

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  165. @Steve Sailer
    I don't have any daughters, so I don't know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts' Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

    In an iSteve two-fer, an Oregon scout council is proposing leasing part of an oceanfront scout camp to the golf course developer who created Bandon Dunes.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2015/12/controversy_swirls_over_golf_d.html

    I don’t know that Keizer et al would be thrilled with some 13 year old scouts on their course working on their golf merit badge.

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    Camp Meriweather is the best scout camp I've ever seen.
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  166. @vinny
    Scouting is quite big in France

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_and_Guiding_in_France

    Scouting will not be big in France 20 years from now. Most of the white girls will have left France for Quebec and the U.S.

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  167. @Nico
    It's so much worse than that. Girl Scouts of America is all but a lesbian dating circle. No sane parent would allow their daughter into it, and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn't be touching Boy Scouts of America, either.

    “and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn’t be touching Boy Scouts of America, either.”

    Boy Scouts is mostly run at the local level. The national leadership (led by the useless cuck Robert Gates) caved on the homosexual thing but they leave local troops to themselves. It is still a pretty wholesome thing and they don’t promote leftist nonsense. I’m acutely sensitive to those things and definitely look for it but have been pleasantly surprised so far.

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    Probably. I will admit my own memories of my scouting days are not very fond, mostly because 1. the troop was centered on the neighborhood (at a time and in a location where healthy neighborhood tissue for the American childhood was fast disintegrating) and not on a parish or a parochial school as they usually are in France, and 2. the troop leaders were not older scout alumni but parents, in our case MY parents, so it was less a fun way to strike out on my own than a family obligation.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Boy Scouts is mostly run at the local level... It is still a pretty wholesome thing and they don’t promote leftist nonsense. I’m acutely sensitive to those things and definitely look for it but have been pleasantly surprised so far.
     
    Our kid's Scout pack is sponsored by a Catholic church, though most meetings are held at a nearby Lutheran church which is apparently an unofficial co-sponsor. A couple dens were short of den mothers-- who are often fathers these days-- so the pack leader called on one member of the lesbian pair with boys in the troop. She agreed.

    When the priest got wind of this, he cracked the whip. No lez leaders, and that's that. What surprised me was that everyone quietly went along. I though it would blow up the pack. The BSA may allow troops to accept homo leaders, but it doesn't force them to. Most troops would abandon them.

    The original ban was to keep fellows like Leland Stevenson away from boys. So why did it apply to lesbians, who are no threat? I don't know what the BSA's justification was, but you'd think a man who abandons his sons would be unfit to lead Scouts. Why would the mother who paid the man to do so be any more Scoutworthy?
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  168. There will of course never be an article “The NBA still mostly black”.

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  169. @Steve Sailer
    I don't have any daughters, so I don't know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts' Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Steve, the local Boy Scouts divested themselves of a couple of camps, one of which is now a leisure camp ground for people with mobile homes. The sale was on the QT, only heard about it after the fact. You could have covered the purchase price by selectively logging the site, probably around 300 acres.

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  170. @Blobby5
    Those demographic numbers, although familiar, are really alarming. Who voted for this radical transformation?

    Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama.

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  171. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I wonder how long it took for the Atlantic writer to drum her fingers on her desk before she filled the blank in for "________, Still Mostly White". Prediction: Crossfit will be profiled within the next year. Somehow I don't think something like Coin Collecting will exactly inspire clicks.

    “Reading Books, Still Mostly White.”

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  172. @Anonymous
    "Meanwhile, nearly half of girls aged 5 to 17 in the United States are now ethnic minorities, up from 38 percent in 2000. About one in four girls is Latina."

    This is a very disturbing statistic. How can demographic change in our country be occurring so quickly?

    “So quickly”? Its been happening ever since 1965. That is to say the past 51 years.

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  173. @John Cunningham
    Through great good luck, the evil cop who shot the Noble Son of Obama was also black. The totally innnocent yoot, who was only doing the bank robbery ti buy more physics books, did pull the trigger on his weapon. as luck would have it, the Dindu had loaded .380 ammo in his .38 special pistol, so he got a hammer strike but a misfire. naturally the local BLMers are prepping to riot, demanding better training for yoots in weapons.

    Black lives matter when the killer is white. The other 95% of the time it is no big deal.

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  174. Abe says: • Website
    @SPMoore8
    Actually, the child, and the (apparently unmarried) parents of the child are African Americans.

    So this is a case of #blacklivesmatter trumping #gorillalives matter. However, I'm with you, I don't want to see the headline someday "Last Living Panda Slain After Tot Enters Enclosure."

    I recognize the dignity of human life but if we don't extend it to the animal kingdom we are not doing it right. Moreover, the human race is nowhere near threatened. Many non-human species are.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/parents-child-who-fell-gorilla-8087065

    I told my wife the child was probably black once I heard there was no apparent fault with the barrier system, as this seemed on par with typical black knuckle-headed recklessness, and that I would definitely bet that way if given SJW-odds (meaning, with a 50% hunch the kid would turn out to be black, I’d definitely take up any SJW putting his money where his mouth was about this potentially happening to anyone, blacks only 12% of the population, yada-yada, and so have a 4X built-in advantage on my bet). And while I’m perfectly aware how easily a small child can wander off when a parent is distracted, this seems like another black-parenting epic fail, as they were actually arguing with the boy before he fell into the enclosure; something like:

    “I’m gonna go swimming.”
    “No you ain’t.”
    “I’ll whup yo ass.”
    “No you won’t.”

    Still, when I saw the actual video and not only was the gorilla even more massively muscled then I imagined (almost like some fantasy monster) AND could move with such lightening quickness (we tend to forget how slow human reaction times are compared to the rest of the animal kingdom) I have no doubt the zoo made the right decision, as the gorilla could have dashed the boy’s brains to bits in a fraction of a second.

    On CNN I saw one actual animal lover protester with an honest-to-goodness “lives matter” sign (forgot the exact wordage, but no doubt it was a play on BLM). While I had been anticipating some BLM/animal rights circular-firing squad action for days now, the horror of seeing that child in danger on the video put it out of my mind. Honestly the protesters against the zoo, plus your comment, for a tiny moment made me actually not care the white race might be exterminated this century, as no other race seems to fall for this sick nonsense.

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    If you think it's "sick nonsense" to think that we should be trying to nurture, rather than to exterminate, non-human mammals, then that explains why in a few centuries the only mammals left will be humans, farm animals, and house cats.

    These cases crop up every few years. The animals are invariably killed. If zoos can't protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I predicted this two days ago. If the kid had been white, the headline would have been "Loser Redneck Parents Lose Control of their Spawn; Innocent Gorilla Pays the Price for their Stupidity".
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  175. @Abe
    I told my wife the child was probably black once I heard there was no apparent fault with the barrier system, as this seemed on par with typical black knuckle-headed recklessness, and that I would definitely bet that way if given SJW-odds (meaning, with a 50% hunch the kid would turn out to be black, I'd definitely take up any SJW putting his money where his mouth was about this potentially happening to anyone, blacks only 12% of the population, yada-yada, and so have a 4X built-in advantage on my bet). And while I'm perfectly aware how easily a small child can wander off when a parent is distracted, this seems like another black-parenting epic fail, as they were actually arguing with the boy before he fell into the enclosure; something like:

    "I'm gonna go swimming."
    "No you ain't."
    "I'll whup yo ass."
    "No you won't."

    Still, when I saw the actual video and not only was the gorilla even more massively muscled then I imagined (almost like some fantasy monster) AND could move with such lightening quickness (we tend to forget how slow human reaction times are compared to the rest of the animal kingdom) I have no doubt the zoo made the right decision, as the gorilla could have dashed the boy's brains to bits in a fraction of a second.

    On CNN I saw one actual animal lover protester with an honest-to-goodness "lives matter" sign (forgot the exact wordage, but no doubt it was a play on BLM). While I had been anticipating some BLM/animal rights circular-firing squad action for days now, the horror of seeing that child in danger on the video put it out of my mind. Honestly the protesters against the zoo, plus your comment, for a tiny moment made me actually not care the white race might be exterminated this century, as no other race seems to fall for this sick nonsense.

    If you think it’s “sick nonsense” to think that we should be trying to nurture, rather than to exterminate, non-human mammals, then that explains why in a few centuries the only mammals left will be humans, farm animals, and house cats.

    These cases crop up every few years. The animals are invariably killed. If zoos can’t protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.

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    If zoos can’t protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.
     
    Please. Perfect enemy of the good. They're the ones breeding the gorillas in the first place. Yet another example of displacement of disappointment with blacks (the ones who are the most pressing danger to gorilla populations) onto responsible whites.
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  176. @Bill

    Most Trannies are extremely feminine Gay guys who like to dress up like women,
     
    Categories like Tranny and Gay are the problem. People are constantly having to remind each other that there are "two kinds" of Trannies and "two kinds" of gays. If there are two kinds of X, then X probably isn't a very useful distinction itself. The right distinction is what role you want to play in the bedroom. Do you want to penetrate or be penetrated? "Feminine gays" and "Feminine trannies" want to be penetrated. "Masculine gays/trannies" want to penetrate. This also fixes the "situational homosexuality" problem. Those guys who allegedly turn gay in prison don't change their opinions about what role they want to play. There are no women around, so they turn to penetrating men. The men being penetrated haven't changed desired roles either: they are being raped.

    I prefer an all inclusive term, “the sexually confused”. The point you make about penetrators is important today and was critical in Classical Roman times. The shame lay not in homosexual activity but in being penetrated by another.

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  177. @Judah Benjamin Hur
    "Or are you being purposefully obtuse in regards to the fact the GS are subverted and serve to indoctrinate youth? I honestly can’t tell."

    I can honestly tell you are making an extreme political argument which appears totally divorced from actual experience.

    My daughters aren't old enough to be in the GS, but I have a 13 year old niece that is very active in the GS and discusses it frequently. I can promise you that she has never once mentioned anything about planned parenthood, abortion or anything remotely political.

    I am aware that the GS leadership is pro-choice (anyone reading this blog ought to at least appreciate that PP is highly eugenic) and pro gay-rights, but I see no evidence that it affects GS activities in any meaningful way. I'd be interested if any parents have had any specific problems with the Girl Scouts, not if someone can Google one or two anecdotes per decade.

    My eleven year old daughter has been active in Girls Scouts (Daisies, Brownies, Juniors) for years and all her experiences correspond with JBH’s account.

    And we live in Manhattan. If Girl Scouts are being indoctrinated in hardcore leftist ideology it must be elsewhere.

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    How diverse is your daughter's troop? Minority recruiting must be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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  178. @SPMoore8
    If you think it's "sick nonsense" to think that we should be trying to nurture, rather than to exterminate, non-human mammals, then that explains why in a few centuries the only mammals left will be humans, farm animals, and house cats.

    These cases crop up every few years. The animals are invariably killed. If zoos can't protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.

    If zoos can’t protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.

    Please. Perfect enemy of the good. They’re the ones breeding the gorillas in the first place. Yet another example of displacement of disappointment with blacks (the ones who are the most pressing danger to gorilla populations) onto responsible whites.

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    Yeah, breed one, shoot one. That works.
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  179. @Bill

    When the SJWs come on board is the time to defend the ship, not instantly surrender it to invaders.
     
    OK, but how? Open resistance tends to bring the attention of the media and then the state. The Boy Scouts lost on the homo thing. They won at the Supreme Court but eventually gave up as it became clear that they would be harassed endlessly by the government.

    OK, but how?

    He’s just emitting smoke. What’s his success rate in actually defending the ship against the ‘homo thing’? Zero, same as the rest. Let’s see some results.

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  180. @Desiderius

    If zoos can’t protect the animals from human interlopers, they should shut down.
     
    Please. Perfect enemy of the good. They're the ones breeding the gorillas in the first place. Yet another example of displacement of disappointment with blacks (the ones who are the most pressing danger to gorilla populations) onto responsible whites.

    Yeah, breed one, shoot one. That works.

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    That's a dumb comment to make as breeding is an ongoing policy and shooting is an emergency measure.

    I'm with Abe. Faced with a choice between a single animal and a single human, choosing the animal is sick.

    Your position is about as senseless as becoming vegetarian out of animal welfare concerns. The solution to both problems is policy, not individual action. If you choose to stop eating eggs, it won't make a dent in the (positively inhumane) practices of the chicken industry. Better to support legislation regulating the industry while continuing to eat what you want. Likewise, at the point at which someone shoots the last panda to save a dumb kid, it is already too late for pandas and conservation efforts/policy have failed.
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  181. Dahlia says:
    @Luke Ford
    Orthodox Jews send their children to Orthodox schools and to Orthodox activities and keep them sheltered. As a result, most of them are virgins when they marry -- despite growing up in big cities -- and they rarely turn into feminists and SJWs.

    I just need a little money to start setting up yeshivos for goyim so they too can protect their kids from the filth. I'm willing to share the wisdom of the Torah for a price.

    I've also got scripts and actors for a whole series of movies designed to eroticize each group to its own kind. Tikkun Olam!

    Haha!

    In a way my children are sheltered (in the context of religion and social norms), but in other ways, they very much are not.

    I’ve received one of those police visits for one of my children being out and about unsupervised: my 14 y/o son biking around town. The cop was extremely cool about it, though, and agreed with me that kids were supervised too much, but because it was peculiar in this day and age…

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    I can't imagine what the cop would have thought about a group of boys with barely a scrotal hair between them wandering around in the woods with weapons only 15 miles south of Boston.

    It was a better time.
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  182. @TangoMan
    Declining membership is hardly unique to the Girl Scouts—membership in most youth groups is down.

    Not just youth groups, but all community-focused groups. Here are some graphs from one of Robert Putnam's papers.

    http://i.imgur.com/yqdPW8f.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/yEn6o88.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/wlzjGPO.jpg

    They're missing the bigger picture.

    That’s because “community focus” has been replaced by the prevailing commu-prog secular state establishment religion.

    I used to volunteer extensively through the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, and into the early Aughts.

    These days I don’t bother. There are no groups or organizations that represent my interests anymore, and my interests, like my race and sex, have been redefined as imperialist patriarchal cis-normative hatecrime macroaggressions. Even shooting sports, sailing, and woodworking groups have been infiltrated by people who care more about ideology than shooting, sailing, and making heirlooms out of trees.

    I actually had someone tell me in 2009 that anyone who constructs a reproduction Goddard/Rhode Island block front desk is committing racism. I never thought I’d live to see the day when “FOAD” would be too weak a retort, but here we are….

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  183. @Hepp
    While the Boy Scouts appears to have maintained some healthy values, everything I read says that the Girl Scouts has become an SJW outfit, just like organized nunnery in the Catholic church. Every women's organization that's not explicitly and self-consciously conservative gets taken over by the highest testosterone manless freaks.

    If Mexicans are repulsed by all this, good for them.

    I’d never allow my daughters near the Girl Scouts. Every last camp counselor, troop leader, bureaucrat, and fundraiser for the organization that I’ve met in the past 18 years has been a carpet chomper, and proud of it. I’ve repeatedly heard individuals from these occupations at dinner parties and the like refer to Girl Scout summer camp as “lesbian dating camp.”

    The Boy Scouts ought also to be avoided now that they are going in the direction of normalizing homosexuality for boys–or more accurately turning what for many boys is a subject of curiosity or anxiety or temporary interest into a fixed category/”lifestyle” you marry for life, rather than a woman.

    Both organizations have been destroyed because originally they represented N/NW European Americans who valued wilderness experience/skills, self sufficiency, the ability to withstand physical discomfort, evolved egalitarian companionate marriage for life, committed parenting, and wildlife conservation. Nothing of that sort must be allowed to stand, and the SJW fundamentalists, like fundies of all religions, will not stop till they’ve destroyed everything in their pursuit of helltopia.

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  184. Dahlia says:
    @Another Canadian
    Is this a flavour of Rod Dreher's "Benedict Option."

    I have a passing familiarity with it, but I’m not an ideological person, just simply a Christian who tries to do what is morally right and/or prudent.

    I felt it was morally wrong to have my daughters involved with an organization tied so closely to abortion and birth control; we’re Catholic. Plus, I felt it wouldn’t be a good fit for obvious reasons.

    But we did and do buy cookies from a friend who felt otherwise and others in my town; I keep my thoughts and feelings to myself. I believe being a good neighbor and friend is more important than the very nominal benefit, in this case, of a boycott.

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    One other thing, I mentioned my mom was in Girl Scouts...

    GS was seen as an anachronism and considered very uncool in the 80s, an era obsessed with cool and growing up fast. A good, but immature, spoiled friend was the only person I knew in it. I was interested in it briefly because of her, in 4th grade, but my dad and step-mom were against it. I went to one meeting with my friend and felt it was painfully "babyish".

    Ideology wasn't a problem back then. At all. I mean, the most popular show for girls was Gem (and the Holograms).

    Also, that generation of parents just really didn't want to be bothered with the time, $$$, but mostly I think, the mental energy to even think about most extracurriculars back then. Just go outside and do whatever. Not even the "preps" were involved much in them at the elementary school age. Sports for some kids, maybe, but that was all.
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  185. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I wonder how long it took for the Atlantic writer to drum her fingers on her desk before she filled the blank in for "________, Still Mostly White". Prediction: Crossfit will be profiled within the next year. Somehow I don't think something like Coin Collecting will exactly inspire clicks.

    In this article about the goofiest SJW dissertations in American academia, there’s “Smart Cookies: The Gendered Spaces of Labor, Citizenship, and Nationalism in the Girl Scout Cookie Sale.”

    Also, my prediction that we’ll soon hear about how Crossfit is racist, I was close. There’s this:

    A new academic paper reveals that Pilates is racist. In “The Pilates Pelvis: Racial Implications of the Immobile Hips,” we learn that “the teaching practices of the hips, as commonly explained in Pilates educational manuals, reinforce behaviors of a noble-class and racially ‘white’ aesthetic.” Apparently, Pilates embodies and enforces “white racial superiority and, specifically, the colonizing, prejudicial, and denigrating mentality found in the superiority of whiteness and its embodied behaviors.”

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  186. @Alec Leamas
    A couple of years ago I was at the polls with a friend of mine named Pete. Pete was an older Rockefeller type Republican but despite this, a really good guy. As we always did, we were talking a little inside baseball local politics, when someone who had brought Girl Scout cookies offered Pete and I some Lemonades. Pete ate a few and when the cookies were offered to me I said "No thanks, I don't support that Lesbian recruitment outfit." Pete laughed hysterically. I was able to pull up enough material to support the proposition on my phone within a short time that Pete stopped laughing. Unfortunately, he passed away not long after that day.

    Your revelation killed Pete! Probably because he was a Lesbian, and that hysterical laughing did the trick.

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  187. Dahlia says:
    @Dahlia
    I have a passing familiarity with it, but I'm not an ideological person, just simply a Christian who tries to do what is morally right and/or prudent.

    I felt it was morally wrong to have my daughters involved with an organization tied so closely to abortion and birth control; we're Catholic. Plus, I felt it wouldn't be a good fit for obvious reasons.

    But we did and do buy cookies from a friend who felt otherwise and others in my town; I keep my thoughts and feelings to myself. I believe being a good neighbor and friend is more important than the very nominal benefit, in this case, of a boycott.

    One other thing, I mentioned my mom was in Girl Scouts…

    GS was seen as an anachronism and considered very uncool in the 80s, an era obsessed with cool and growing up fast. A good, but immature, spoiled friend was the only person I knew in it. I was interested in it briefly because of her, in 4th grade, but my dad and step-mom were against it. I went to one meeting with my friend and felt it was painfully “babyish”.

    Ideology wasn’t a problem back then. At all. I mean, the most popular show for girls was Gem (and the Holograms).

    Also, that generation of parents just really didn’t want to be bothered with the time, $$$, but mostly I think, the mental energy to even think about most extracurriculars back then. Just go outside and do whatever. Not even the “preps” were involved much in them at the elementary school age. Sports for some kids, maybe, but that was all.

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    You make an interesting point. I knew a couple of late twentysomething lesbians--serious rejects from the mating market--who were GS leaders. One was morbidly obese, the other had some sort of mental issues and "struggled with bulimia."

    I overheard them telling a friend of mine about what a challenge it was to keep straight the meds for all the girls in their troop. I sidled over to learn more. Apparently among the big skills a GS troop leader must possess and teach today are not campfire-building, tent-pitching, first aid, and orienteering, but dispensing of meds, being part of the therapy team, and generalized service as a nonaccredited social worker to the Scout and her entire family. Including assistance with securing welfare benefits.

    They also shared the now-widespread idea that merit badges should be apportioned by involvement, not accomplishment or, you know, demonstrated merit. They were like Helicopter Mommies, only for others' offspring.

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  188. I knew a Girl Scout leader who lived in a decent area before the Recession whose troop would have been all white or mostly white.

    According to her, everybody wanted her to take their girls but she could get NO ONE to volunteer to help.

    She had to turn down countless requests. With so many women working multiple jobs or long hours these days, it’s not surprising to me that most Girl Scouts are white. I would guess that there’s lots of white girls who don’t participate in areas that they once did because they can’t get volunteers who can reliably leave work on time.

    It’s a shame. A shortage of good paying jobs, as well as overly long work hours and too little pay delivers a one-two punch to many families, charities and communities.

    Of course the number of one-parent households doesn’t help either. The Girl Scout Leader I knew ended up getting divorced. I do not know if she continued to serve after that. Maybe not.

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  189. @Dahlia
    One other thing, I mentioned my mom was in Girl Scouts...

    GS was seen as an anachronism and considered very uncool in the 80s, an era obsessed with cool and growing up fast. A good, but immature, spoiled friend was the only person I knew in it. I was interested in it briefly because of her, in 4th grade, but my dad and step-mom were against it. I went to one meeting with my friend and felt it was painfully "babyish".

    Ideology wasn't a problem back then. At all. I mean, the most popular show for girls was Gem (and the Holograms).

    Also, that generation of parents just really didn't want to be bothered with the time, $$$, but mostly I think, the mental energy to even think about most extracurriculars back then. Just go outside and do whatever. Not even the "preps" were involved much in them at the elementary school age. Sports for some kids, maybe, but that was all.

    You make an interesting point. I knew a couple of late twentysomething lesbians–serious rejects from the mating market–who were GS leaders. One was morbidly obese, the other had some sort of mental issues and “struggled with bulimia.”

    I overheard them telling a friend of mine about what a challenge it was to keep straight the meds for all the girls in their troop. I sidled over to learn more. Apparently among the big skills a GS troop leader must possess and teach today are not campfire-building, tent-pitching, first aid, and orienteering, but dispensing of meds, being part of the therapy team, and generalized service as a nonaccredited social worker to the Scout and her entire family. Including assistance with securing welfare benefits.

    They also shared the now-widespread idea that merit badges should be apportioned by involvement, not accomplishment or, you know, demonstrated merit. They were like Helicopter Mommies, only for others’ offspring.

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  190. @yaqub the mad scientist
    I wonder how long it took for the Atlantic writer to drum her fingers on her desk before she filled the blank in for "________, Still Mostly White". Prediction: Crossfit will be profiled within the next year. Somehow I don't think something like Coin Collecting will exactly inspire clicks.

    That’s a interesting prediction about CrossFit. I hadn’t considered that possibility before, but it is within the realm.

    Activities like swimming have been getting a pass for years in part because they are beloved by goodwhites and the organizations engage in SJW-proofing. For example, USS swimming has a National Black Heritage Swim Meet, and it engages in the misdirection of promoting the white man’s burden of saving black bodies from drowning (obscuring the reality that it’s real purpose is facilitating intense competition among whites).

    CrossFit and the Paleo diet movement don’t really engage in SJW-proofing, do they? It’s interesting as part of their appeal is their “no bullsh-t” image. It would be very difficult for the CrossFit brand to survive if they started engaging in voluntary struggle sessions.

    The interesting thing is that CrossFit seems to exist in a bubble. It’s like a distributed country club. If your job is high-stress but sedentary, you can exercise in the presence of other type A people but if your primary problem is the culture of your workplace, you get relief from that too. It’s a bubble because it appeals to lots of people who kowtow to the Zeitgeist in other contexts.

    Another interesting thing will be to see what happens if Trump loses. For example, it is quite obvious that Twitter’s @ JohnDurant , who has been a leader in the Paleo diet movement for years, reads iSteve, and he’s supporting Trump now. Will there be a backlash against Trump supporters like him if Trump loses?

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    One thing that may shield CrossFit from "diversity" criticism is that its followers are almost evenly divided between men and women. I would be most surprised if any other athletic or physical activity has so even a split.
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  191. @ATBOTL
    Can't say I agree. O'Sullivan is lying when he claims that NR has advocated less immigratoin since 1991. In reality, there was a purge of immigration restrictionists in the late 90's, when Lowry, Goldberg and Ponuru were put in charge. Since then, NR has pushed an open borders agenda, albiet often indirectly by supporting open borders politicians and showing hostility to genuine immigration restrictionists.

    NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013. They are not moving in the right direction, only dissimulating.

    The article that O'Sullivan links to shows this, praising the defeat of the immigration restrictionist One Nation party in Australia by open borders globalist John Howard.

    Let's stop falling for this BS. O'Sullivan showed his true colors by cheerfully going along with the Lowry era purge. Whatever he did before means nothing.

    NR has had Heather MacDonald, Andrew McCarthy, Victor Davis Hanson, and Mark Krikorian’s posts and articles for many years – right up until now AFAIK.

    Also, I do not believe John O’Sullivan had any role in the purges. He is a relic of the Buckley days, before Buckley’s dotage.

    I wish they still had Brimelow, Coulter and Derbyshire writing for them. I dropped my subscription after they fired Coulter and before I realized they fired Brimelow. And I will always hate them for their idiotic war-mongering and their sins of commission and omission regarding Sarah Palin – a hatred that has been amplified by their mindless, shrill Anti-Trump hysteria. But let us give the wicked their due – the purge was limited, even if objectionable.

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    People like you and O'Sullivan are the problem. Stop making excuses for our enemies. Anyone who didn't oppose the purge de facto supported it.

    The people you named are ambigous on immigration at best, none of them clearly oppose amnesty except perhaps MacDonald(anyone have a link?). Hanson is a fraud who complains about the effects of immigration but never clearly advocates doing anything about it.

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  192. @Luke Ford
    Orthodox Jews send their children to Orthodox schools and to Orthodox activities and keep them sheltered. As a result, most of them are virgins when they marry -- despite growing up in big cities -- and they rarely turn into feminists and SJWs.

    I just need a little money to start setting up yeshivos for goyim so they too can protect their kids from the filth. I'm willing to share the wisdom of the Torah for a price.

    I've also got scripts and actors for a whole series of movies designed to eroticize each group to its own kind. Tikkun Olam!

    Ron Unz,
    When you a get second in your busy schedule, you should add a humor button in the agree category…

    AGREE/DISAGREE•LOL•TWEET

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  193. @William Badwhite
    "and after the latest shenanigans I wouldn’t be touching Boy Scouts of America, either."

    Boy Scouts is mostly run at the local level. The national leadership (led by the useless cuck Robert Gates) caved on the homosexual thing but they leave local troops to themselves. It is still a pretty wholesome thing and they don't promote leftist nonsense. I'm acutely sensitive to those things and definitely look for it but have been pleasantly surprised so far.

    Probably. I will admit my own memories of my scouting days are not very fond, mostly because 1. the troop was centered on the neighborhood (at a time and in a location where healthy neighborhood tissue for the American childhood was fast disintegrating) and not on a parish or a parochial school as they usually are in France, and 2. the troop leaders were not older scout alumni but parents, in our case MY parents, so it was less a fun way to strike out on my own than a family obligation.

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    "the troop leaders were not older scout alumni but parents, in our case MY parents, so it was less a fun way to strike out on my own than a family obligation."

    The leadership in any given troop has a yuuuge effect on the overall experience. When I first got involved our scout leader was an older guy (WW2 vet...this was in the early 80's) who had four sons that went through the troop and the youngest was almost out of scouting - he was a junior or senior in high school, already made Eagle Scout, etc. We went camping 4-5 times/year (even in the winter), learned to build fires, knife safety, etc. It was great and I loved it. Then when Mr. Ellis' youngest son finished, the new scout leader was the weenie government lawyer father of one of the youngest scouts. All he knew was Cub Scout stuff. We went from doing things like camping in the snow in February to things like making bird houses out of pine cones. I ended up dropping out.
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  194. @Spmoore8
    Yeah, breed one, shoot one. That works.

    That’s a dumb comment to make as breeding is an ongoing policy and shooting is an emergency measure.

    I’m with Abe. Faced with a choice between a single animal and a single human, choosing the animal is sick.

    Your position is about as senseless as becoming vegetarian out of animal welfare concerns. The solution to both problems is policy, not individual action. If you choose to stop eating eggs, it won’t make a dent in the (positively inhumane) practices of the chicken industry. Better to support legislation regulating the industry while continuing to eat what you want. Likewise, at the point at which someone shoots the last panda to save a dumb kid, it is already too late for pandas and conservation efforts/policy have failed.

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    I understand why they shot the gorilla. When I seem him dragging the kid, I think, shoot. OTOH, when I see the gorilla holding the kid's hand, I think: what's going on here?

    I repeat, if any zoo can't establish proper security for its animals, it has no business being in operation, because as these sequences attest -- and they happen -- I think there was another one featuring a lion last week -- the animal gets killed through no fault of its own.

    Zoos might as well post signs, "Anyone found in the animal enclosures will result in the immediate death of the animal", because that's the de facto policy. And since that is the de facto policy, they ought to have protocols for handling these incidents besides killing, if at all possible. For one thing, in this case, the barriers are totally inadequate.

    Another example: there's the issue of taunting and throwing things at animals. I have seen that several times. I intervene when possible. People who do that should be escorted out. Not enough security? I don't know. But there was that case in SF a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids, and started roaming the zoo. Did they have to kill it? Sure. But who's to blame?

    I am not angry at the zoo, but it's a tragedy that a critically endangered animal has to be killed through a series of bad human judgments. Especially when there is no agreement as to the danger coming from this animal.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Faced with a choice between a single animal and a single human, choosing the animal is sick.

    Right. Every human life is sacred, that's why we can't stop refugees coming to Europe. We can't risk even one child drowing in the Mediterranean, better to let them all come.

    I mean, emotionally I get that, and if I had been at the zoo my reaction would have been to save the child, but if you take a step back that is a stupid sentimental attitude that just leads to the SJW nonsense that is undermining our civilization.

    The idea that every person is a precious flower that needs to be cherished is basically narcissism. Sometimes we do need to sacrifice for the greater good. Killing a gorilla who brought moments of happiness to thousands to save the life of one little boy who will unfortunately probably grow up to be a felon like his father is worth debating, although in the end I probably come down on the side of the boy. The kid and parents may learn from this experience, the gorilla was living a life of captivity and probably mentally ill (from a gorilla point of view), like most animals in captivity. Certainly in the wild I would have no trouble letting a poacher die who was endangered by a gorilla or a lion.
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  195. @anony-mouse
    Look at the bright side.

    No one for years has knocked on my door trying to sell me overpriced cookies

    Look at the bright side.

    No one for years has knocked on my door trying to sell me overpriced cookies

    The little ghouls still block my way at Gelson’s once a year, trying to confound me with their Girl Scout mind tricks.

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  196. @Abe
    I told my wife the child was probably black once I heard there was no apparent fault with the barrier system, as this seemed on par with typical black knuckle-headed recklessness, and that I would definitely bet that way if given SJW-odds (meaning, with a 50% hunch the kid would turn out to be black, I'd definitely take up any SJW putting his money where his mouth was about this potentially happening to anyone, blacks only 12% of the population, yada-yada, and so have a 4X built-in advantage on my bet). And while I'm perfectly aware how easily a small child can wander off when a parent is distracted, this seems like another black-parenting epic fail, as they were actually arguing with the boy before he fell into the enclosure; something like:

    "I'm gonna go swimming."
    "No you ain't."
    "I'll whup yo ass."
    "No you won't."

    Still, when I saw the actual video and not only was the gorilla even more massively muscled then I imagined (almost like some fantasy monster) AND could move with such lightening quickness (we tend to forget how slow human reaction times are compared to the rest of the animal kingdom) I have no doubt the zoo made the right decision, as the gorilla could have dashed the boy's brains to bits in a fraction of a second.

    On CNN I saw one actual animal lover protester with an honest-to-goodness "lives matter" sign (forgot the exact wordage, but no doubt it was a play on BLM). While I had been anticipating some BLM/animal rights circular-firing squad action for days now, the horror of seeing that child in danger on the video put it out of my mind. Honestly the protesters against the zoo, plus your comment, for a tiny moment made me actually not care the white race might be exterminated this century, as no other race seems to fall for this sick nonsense.

    I predicted this two days ago. If the kid had been white, the headline would have been “Loser Redneck Parents Lose Control of their Spawn; Innocent Gorilla Pays the Price for their Stupidity”.

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  197. @Golan Globus
    Scouting is a product of urbanization. So are organized team sports. Rural kids don't need to join organizations to explore the wilds, or kick balls through fields. Its the city kids who get involved in these things.

    What about 4-H and FFA?

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  198. @Reg Cæsar

    Would Target have gone forward with their transgender bathroom policy if liberals represented a voting bloc of 10% of all the people in America? I don’t think so.
     
    Uh, Target's headquarters are on the Nicollet Mall in downtown Minneapolis, a block off Hennepin Avenue, which is the Key West of the Midwest. The company depends on its design staff to distinguish it from Walmart.

    When the honchos backed a business-friendly Republican for governor, they didn't stop to think how that staff might take to his also co-sponsoring a marriage amendment. You can imagine the hissy fit that ensued. Bullseye's tail is still between his legs, four years later.

    Voters had nothing to do with it.

    The liberalism of the Dayton family is also probably in the mix.

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  199. @TangoMan
    That article is from John O'Sullivan. Wasn't he ousted in some fashion, like Steve, like Derb and others?

    I think he has articles in NR and/or NRO from time to time; he’s not a spring chicken and that’s probably why you don’t see him at either of those two places a lot, plus he is a little more on the conservative side for them than their other writers, the way they’ve gotten in recent years.

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  200. @joeyjoejoe
    I have some first-person experience with both boy scouts and girl scouts (my kids are young beginners in both organizations-in a rural part of the country).

    Girl Scouts at the kindergarten level: basically a club where the girls learn to socialize. Its run by one of the girls' moms, and when I arrive to pick my daughter up, the girls are singing, cutting out flowers, or doing some other typically kindergarten girl activity. We never bought the girlscout smock, we have a stack of patches that my daughter received, but we never bothered to sew them onto anything. We sold cookies, but only by taking the signout sheet to parents' workplace. Pretty innocuous. Whether it gets political or even exists for the older girls, I don't know.

    Boy Scouts at early elementary level (Cub Scouts): It struck me that the Boy Scouts are in trouble. Each grade level (Tigers, Bears, etc) has a Den of about 4 boys-really not enough to be a critical mass of fun (it works like any other club. If you have a club of only 4 members, you're too small). Furthermore, that 'club' is not a club of a given school or neighborhood: it is a club from several different neighborhoods, because membership is so small. Thus, that club consists of 4 people who don't know each other outside of the boy scouts. And I don't think the organization will survive that. 4 classmates getting together to hike is feasible. 4 strangers getting together (and driving as much as 1/2 hour to do it) is really not going to be sustained over the long run.

    Furthermore, the boy scouts seemed essentially pointless. My son wanted to try boy scouts because he wanted to camp, start fires, shoot bb guns, etc (incidently, my daughter wanted to do girl scouts for the same reason-both unrealistic for 5 and 6 year olds). And while there was some of that, the weekly meetings really consisted of uninteresting activities (citizenship, getting to know each other with the kind of silly activities you have in corporate training seminars, designing 'games' in the meeting room which tended to mean rolling or throwing balls across the room, etc). Even a proposed field trip (go to a sporting event-i.e. watch other people do sports, rather than do sports yourself) devolved into going to a girls' softball game (because the tickets were cheaper or even free).

    The leadership, as a general rule, seemed undisciplined and unconfident (which may very well have been a factor of that specific leadership rather than the boy scouts in general, I fully admit). The boys did not learn responsibility, or discipline, or attention to a schedule or detail, or any of the other things that they are learning from sports other nights of the week. It was really more of playtime-but again, playtime amongst a bunch of near strangers. Why drive across town to ride your bike in the parking lot of a church with strangers, when you can bike at home with your neighbors straight out of the garage?

    So Boy Scouts seemed like an organization in its death throws. I have a friend who rock climbs, so I will take my kids with him and his kids (future 1st grader) and go rock climbing. My kids do a variety of sports (even if not well) where they learn structure. We have neighbors to ride bikes with. The scouts just seems like an organization in search of a purpose.

    joeyjoejoe

    This post demonstrates exactly why Boy Scouts has problems today. When it started, Boy Scouting’s outdoor activities corresponded with what was being done by adults who were interested in the wilderness. I.e., e.g., tent-pitching skills were the same for Scouts and for the military, naturalists, researchers, hobbyists, etc.

    By the time I joined Boy Scouts in the early 90s, this had already changed. For example, I learned how to put up old triangular canvas tents with wooden stakes, wooden poles, and twine, but when my family went camping we used a pop-up tent made of metal, plastic, and nylon.

    The situation today is more extreme. Scouts may not use triangular canvas tents anymore, but their style of interacting with the wilderness is even more divorced from the rest of the world than it used to be.

    Scouting was a great thing in its day, but its day is done. If I have boys, I won’t encourage them to be Boy Scouts. There are better ways to get the valuable experiences and knowledge without wasting time on “rank advancement”, “merit badges”, etc.

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  201. @Triumph104
    Years ago the Girl Scouts tried to increase membership by targeting teen mothers. Wrong move. Teen pregnancies have sharply declined.

    They did this so their daughters would join when they got older?

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    I saw a news clip and Girl Scouts was recruiting pregnant teens not their babies.

    Girl Scouts of Northern California has a "Got Choices" program:

    Got Choices takes Girl Scouting to at-risk, high-risk, and adjudicated girls in schools, shelters, and even juvenile justice facilities, where we focus on healthy decision making and relationship choices, self esteem, and much more.

    http://gsnorcal.blogspot.com/

    The girl in the video joined Girl Scouts/Got Choices when she was in foster care and skipping school. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwt0LB-J86w

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  202. @Wilkey
    "NR has officially supported amnesty since early 2013."

    No, it has not. Various NR writers have had differing positions on amnesty, but it's official position has been against amnesty for a long time.

    Wrong. They had an EDITORIAL supporting amnesty in aftermath of the Romney’s failure and the GOP’s debreifing that blamed anti-amnesty rhetoric for the loss.

    Since then, they have stated clearly and unambigously that NR supports “amnesty,” their word, in every editorial by Lowry or Ponuru, the editors, that has addressed immigration. NR has repeatedly stated that deportation of illegals cannot be done and that illegals should stay.

    I have the links saved on my computer at home but I’m travelling now, will post them on this blog some time when appropriate.

    What is with the terminal naivete of some folks?

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  203. @PV van der Byl
    My eleven year old daughter has been active in Girls Scouts (Daisies, Brownies, Juniors) for years and all her experiences correspond with JBH's account.

    And we live in Manhattan. If Girl Scouts are being indoctrinated in hardcore leftist ideology it must be elsewhere.

    How diverse is your daughter’s troop? Minority recruiting must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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    Right now, it is about 90% white, including two of Spanish (not mestizo) descent. The others are east Asian. There were two black girls when my daughter first joined the troop but they are among those who have since dropped out.
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  204. @Jefferson
    "Some old nyt writer who is a dinosaur and out of touch with internet culture thinks it’s another holocaust because he got trolled by anti-semitic memes.

    I guess that back in the 60s, when he was trolling his professors with cultural-marxism, he did nothing wrong because…science."

    The guy in the article says Donald Trump is an anti-Semite because he once referred to Jon Stewart as Jonathan Leibowitz in a Tweet.

    Jesse Jackson and Ice Cube for example have said a lot worst things about the Jews, yet they are still the darlings of the Jewish Left.

    If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?

    “If a WASP refers to the late Dean Martin by his real name Dino Crocetti, does it make that person anti-Italian?”

    Unless there’s a good reason for it, quite likely yes.

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  205. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    NR has had Heather MacDonald, Andrew McCarthy, Victor Davis Hanson, and Mark Krikorian's posts and articles for many years - right up until now AFAIK.

    Also, I do not believe John O'Sullivan had any role in the purges. He is a relic of the Buckley days, before Buckley's dotage.

    I wish they still had Brimelow, Coulter and Derbyshire writing for them. I dropped my subscription after they fired Coulter and before I realized they fired Brimelow. And I will always hate them for their idiotic war-mongering and their sins of commission and omission regarding Sarah Palin - a hatred that has been amplified by their mindless, shrill Anti-Trump hysteria. But let us give the wicked their due - the purge was limited, even if objectionable.

    People like you and O’Sullivan are the problem. Stop making excuses for our enemies. Anyone who didn’t oppose the purge de facto supported it.

    The people you named are ambigous on immigration at best, none of them clearly oppose amnesty except perhaps MacDonald(anyone have a link?). Hanson is a fraud who complains about the effects of immigration but never clearly advocates doing anything about it.

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  206. @Chrisnonymous
    That's a interesting prediction about CrossFit. I hadn't considered that possibility before, but it is within the realm.

    Activities like swimming have been getting a pass for years in part because they are beloved by goodwhites and the organizations engage in SJW-proofing. For example, USS swimming has a National Black Heritage Swim Meet, and it engages in the misdirection of promoting the white man's burden of saving black bodies from drowning (obscuring the reality that it's real purpose is facilitating intense competition among whites).

    CrossFit and the Paleo diet movement don't really engage in SJW-proofing, do they? It's interesting as part of their appeal is their "no bullsh-t" image. It would be very difficult for the CrossFit brand to survive if they started engaging in voluntary struggle sessions.

    The interesting thing is that CrossFit seems to exist in a bubble. It's like a distributed country club. If your job is high-stress but sedentary, you can exercise in the presence of other type A people but if your primary problem is the culture of your workplace, you get relief from that too. It's a bubble because it appeals to lots of people who kowtow to the Zeitgeist in other contexts.

    Another interesting thing will be to see what happens if Trump loses. For example, it is quite obvious that Twitter's @ JohnDurant , who has been a leader in the Paleo diet movement for years, reads iSteve, and he's supporting Trump now. Will there be a backlash against Trump supporters like him if Trump loses?

    One thing that may shield CrossFit from “diversity” criticism is that its followers are almost evenly divided between men and women. I would be most surprised if any other athletic or physical activity has so even a split.

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  207. @Peter Akuleyev
    A few thousand gorillas left on the planet vs. 7 billion humans and growing? I know whose life I value more in that scenario, especially since we can probably assume the human child came from a family on the left side of the bell curve.

    I noticed some of the protesters carried signs like “keep brats out of habitats”.

    Harsh, but I didn’t see how the kid got in in the first place. No idea the degree of parental control failure involved or whether zoo failure to use adequate physical barriers the main problem.

    I did sympathize with the unfortunate beast.

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  208. @Hibernian
    They did this so their daughters would join when they got older?

    I saw a news clip and Girl Scouts was recruiting pregnant teens not their babies.

    Girl Scouts of Northern California has a “Got Choices” program:

    Got Choices takes Girl Scouting to at-risk, high-risk, and adjudicated girls in schools, shelters, and even juvenile justice facilities, where we focus on healthy decision making and relationship choices, self esteem, and much more.

    http://gsnorcal.blogspot.com/

    The girl in the video joined Girl Scouts/Got Choices when she was in foster care and skipping school.

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  209. @Chrisnonymous
    That's a dumb comment to make as breeding is an ongoing policy and shooting is an emergency measure.

    I'm with Abe. Faced with a choice between a single animal and a single human, choosing the animal is sick.

    Your position is about as senseless as becoming vegetarian out of animal welfare concerns. The solution to both problems is policy, not individual action. If you choose to stop eating eggs, it won't make a dent in the (positively inhumane) practices of the chicken industry. Better to support legislation regulating the industry while continuing to eat what you want. Likewise, at the point at which someone shoots the last panda to save a dumb kid, it is already too late for pandas and conservation efforts/policy have failed.

    I understand why they shot the gorilla. When I seem him dragging the kid, I think, shoot. OTOH, when I see the gorilla holding the kid’s hand, I think: what’s going on here?

    I repeat, if any zoo can’t establish proper security for its animals, it has no business being in operation, because as these sequences attest — and they happen — I think there was another one featuring a lion last week — the animal gets killed through no fault of its own.

    Zoos might as well post signs, “Anyone found in the animal enclosures will result in the immediate death of the animal”, because that’s the de facto policy. And since that is the de facto policy, they ought to have protocols for handling these incidents besides killing, if at all possible. For one thing, in this case, the barriers are totally inadequate.

    Another example: there’s the issue of taunting and throwing things at animals. I have seen that several times. I intervene when possible. People who do that should be escorted out. Not enough security? I don’t know. But there was that case in SF a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids, and started roaming the zoo. Did they have to kill it? Sure. But who’s to blame?

    I am not angry at the zoo, but it’s a tragedy that a critically endangered animal has to be killed through a series of bad human judgments. Especially when there is no agreement as to the danger coming from this animal.

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    I have always felt that the ultimate safety for the last wild animals will be private zoos. I loathe zoos, but have come around to the idea that animals are safer there than the animals being absolutely killed-off in their environment in Asia or Africa.

    People are jerks. At some point, maybe even in my lifetime, all the "large" animals will all be killed off...save for the few in the "gardens" of the ultra wealthy.

    I know the zoo people panicked with the kid in the water with the Gorilla, but, I am still disgusted with this moron mother who allowed her kid to climb on the 3' high fence on-top of the 3.5' masonry wall. Was she trolling for liability money? - yeah, I know, I am cynical...but that mother is a fracking moron.

    Full disclosure: I took my 3 sons to dozens of zoos when they were all (18-20 months apart) alone for 15 years or more! - all over the world. And, when they wanted to do stupid s*it, I always shut it down. They love animals, and, would never have done anything like this. We will never know what that gorilla was thinking...but it wasn't $$$.
    , @Lurker

    a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids
     
    Darwin Awards!
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  210. @Steve Sailer
    I don't have any daughters, so I don't know much about the Girl Scouts. I do know the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings. For example, the Boy Scouts' Camp Josepho is multiple square miles in the Pacific Palisades in a canyon next to the beach. To reproduce it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

    “the Boy Scouts have an insane installed base of property holdings

    That’s for sure. Boy Scout councils own some amazing properties:

    Our home camp, Camp Parsons is about 1/2 mile of waterfront on Dabob Bay off Hood Canal. Terrific, well run camp in terrific location. My son went there four times–a really special place.

    When I was scoutmaster in 2009 we went to Camp Easton, on the west shore of Lake Coeur d’Alene, with about 1/2 mile of waterfront, about half low bank, and several hundred feet with a sandy beach. Our campsite was insane. I had a hammock in the pines, with views out across the water and beautiful sunsets. The Inland Northwest Council has been offered millions for this–even a property swap to across the lake, plus new facilities and several millions in an endowment. (Fortunately they are holding onto it.)

    The next year–my last summer camp as scoutmaster–I took the guys to Meriwether–the Portland council’s flagship. They have a beautiful span of Oregon coastline south of Tillamook. You can do summer camp in cabins with ocean view–if you can put up with the wind. Our “beach night”–huge bonfire, then sleeping on the beach under the stars–very memorable. (Our troop is headed back there this summer.)

    Scouting was fortunate to fire up, before the nation was as prosperous–with the rich sucking up every nice piece of real estate for 2nd, 3rd, 4th homes–and before it just plain got filled up with immigrants–causing even more people to seek escape to beautiful–but expensive–retreats. Scouting couldn’t afford any of these places today. Very sad. But very fortunate, that they are still there for young men who want to scout.

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    Meriweather is a fantastic camp. Easton is lovely, but back in the 90s their food was awful.
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  211. Considering the article and the comments, this seems to be a fight between the current feminist control of Girl Scouting and the insurgent hyphenated-American control, i.e. it’s a liberal “family” quarrel.

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  212. @E. Rekshun
    I don't hear much about 4H anymore. Though I didn't participate, growing up in suburban Boston in the '70s I was well aware of 4H and could have easily participated. I suppose 4H still exists, but must be dwindling even faster than Scouting.

    I haven’t been to the old fairs of my South Shore youth, the Brockton and Marshfield Fairs, in more than 20 years, but I was at the Topsfield Fair a couple years ago and there was a small 4H barn. I’ve also been to the Deerfield (NH) Fair a few times with my brother’s family, and the 4H contingent is substantial.

    I imagine that the farm-to-table movement has made “boutique” animal husbandry economically viable.

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  213. @Charlotte Allen
    As a woman, I'm commenting with this truism:

    All women's organizations will eventually become feminist organizations, if they haven't done so already. (The only exceptions: explicitly anti-feminist groups such as Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum). That means that they will eventually institutionalize the relentless antagonism toward men that is feminism's hallmark.

    Even conservative women eventually succumb. Witness the accusations of "misogyny" leveled at Donald Trump by prominent conservative-movement women. The word "misogyny" is pure feminist-speak. Or the effort to drum Schlafly out of the Eagle Forum--her own organization--because of her support for Trump.

    Or the fact that nearly all movement-conservative women jumped onto the bandwagon of feminist condemnation of Todd Akin over his hapless remark in 2012 that few victims of "legitimate" rape get pregnant. Not a single supposedly pro-life woman pointed out that Akin was trying to distinguish between actual rape and the kind of regretted sex pushed by feminists as "rape culture," and that a single one-off street rape is as likely to result in pregnancy as any other single one-off sexual encounter: it can happen, but it's statistically more likely that it won't. Akin indeed killed his candidacy with his poor choice of words, but it would have been nice if a single movement-conservative woman had exhibited a little understanding of what he was talking about instead of immediately huffing and puffing in SJW indignation along with the professional feminists.

    Women are super-conformists, and since there is always a certain amount of natural antagonism between the sexes, it's inevitable that most women will pick up the feminist rhetoric of high-status women, nearly all of whom are feminists. It's the invasion of the body-snatchers.

    Or the snatch bodiers.

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  214. @Dahlia
    Haha!

    In a way my children are sheltered (in the context of religion and social norms), but in other ways, they very much are not.

    I've received one of those police visits for one of my children being out and about unsupervised: my 14 y/o son biking around town. The cop was extremely cool about it, though, and agreed with me that kids were supervised too much, but because it was peculiar in this day and age...

    I can’t imagine what the cop would have thought about a group of boys with barely a scrotal hair between them wandering around in the woods with weapons only 15 miles south of Boston.

    It was a better time.

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  215. @SFG
    Interesting point, and quite a good one. I suppose just as men tend to take leadership positions in heavily female professions like library science and teaching, masculine women will take leadership positions in female organizations. Any of the (few) women here care to comment?

    “calling all women!” I think Girl Scouts is no longer relevant with the suburban girls for several reasons, but most boringly, because of the lack of time. Before I go further, I was a Girl Scout – 1st in Brooklyn, then Jersey, as my father opted to move us to The Shore so he could be equidistant from NYC & Philly & Virginia – which was not such a haul from our base on the coast.

    Girl Scouts was cool in the 70′s: we did great canoe/hiking trips to the Delaware Water Gap; Pine Barrens (love those scenes in ‘Sopranos’ from the Jersey Devil environs!) Winter camping in Moose Head Lake in Maine (along with the Boy Scouts, huzzah!) was so much fun! But, today, most scouting is devoid of all those wildernessy experiences. Liability insurance and the onslaught of Helicopter Parents ruined the “scouting” out of future campers, fracking forever. They just don’t get to do ANY cool stuff anymore…and, I dare say, I would not be able to bring along my 9″ knife (from Finland, of course) I used to carve stuff, anymore! We always snuck-in booze (those cheap faux leather alpine flasks!) and weed, as did the Boy Scouts – Maine was and is so fracking cold in February.

    Also, today’s Middle School and HS girls are way too busy – their schedule is so packed with resume’ building experiences and clubs/sports that scouting ends by 8th grade. Brownie’s was sweet, Girl Scouts, well…just cut short.

    By HS, girls have to be focused on their sport(s), numerous clubs (language, Civitan, Model UN, Debate, First Robotics….list is endless). Also, they are all involved with music/art/performance. And, they are involved in town with a charity of some kind…and often have a McJob somewhere. It’s all about resume’ building for the college app – that’s it, in a nut shell.

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U’s (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female “resume’ builders” out there – it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda’ , grosses-me out!

    I also, don’t have daughters, but all my sons’ are friends with these types of uber-driven smart girls, good girls…and, I have met many of them over the years (we have a pool, fire-pit, so my boys have been popular in N.E. for hang-outs in H.S.). And, my sons, like typical males, they’re just happy to get accepted at any U who will take them (even the high IQ type)…but their female intellectual peers are in an epic battle to get that “golden ticket.” Girls are competing against minority girls as well….and dirty secret: suburban girls will “pay” for every full-scholarship girl. So, math is important in a weird way for Admissions.

    OT: The Elite U’s have just realized: white guys aren’t even applyin’ to their school. I am just relishing this since I saw this happening 10 years ago! Like I said a year ago, someday, there will have to be AA for Christian/non-sectarian white guys as far as elite college apps. Whose gonna event the next yuge thing if their high test scores are ignored in HS????

    Back to: scouting has suffered more for not being cool anymore than anything else. Who wants to put up with PC stuff? Kids are real cynical right now, I mean…really cynical…there is a lot more Hate out there than you would all believe among 17-20 somethings. And, I don’t think lesbians or gays matter much in scouting. I don’t remember any lesbian or gay (our jamborees with the Boy Scouts) leaders. If anything, in the 70′s, the leaders would have their own wine and talk, or weed and walk after “lights out”…it was ALL so cool then. Even my sons have said. “we got robbed; how did you and Dad get to live through the 70′s and 80′s with the best music, the best vibe, and no PC culture?”

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    Invent, not Event in 7th paragraph.
    , @Desiderius

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U’s (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female “resume’ builders” out there – it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda’ , grosses-me out!
     
    I get the sense that the Brain Drain started winding down about 15-20 years ago. The Babe Drain is just now turning around.
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  216. @Triumph104
    How diverse is your daughter's troop? Minority recruiting must be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Right now, it is about 90% white, including two of Spanish (not mestizo) descent. The others are east Asian. There were two black girls when my daughter first joined the troop but they are among those who have since dropped out.

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  217. @Lagertha
    "calling all women!" I think Girl Scouts is no longer relevant with the suburban girls for several reasons, but most boringly, because of the lack of time. Before I go further, I was a Girl Scout - 1st in Brooklyn, then Jersey, as my father opted to move us to The Shore so he could be equidistant from NYC & Philly & Virginia - which was not such a haul from our base on the coast.

    Girl Scouts was cool in the 70's: we did great canoe/hiking trips to the Delaware Water Gap; Pine Barrens (love those scenes in 'Sopranos' from the Jersey Devil environs!) Winter camping in Moose Head Lake in Maine (along with the Boy Scouts, huzzah!) was so much fun! But, today, most scouting is devoid of all those wildernessy experiences. Liability insurance and the onslaught of Helicopter Parents ruined the "scouting" out of future campers, fracking forever. They just don't get to do ANY cool stuff anymore...and, I dare say, I would not be able to bring along my 9" knife (from Finland, of course) I used to carve stuff, anymore! We always snuck-in booze (those cheap faux leather alpine flasks!) and weed, as did the Boy Scouts - Maine was and is so fracking cold in February.

    Also, today's Middle School and HS girls are way too busy - their schedule is so packed with resume' building experiences and clubs/sports that scouting ends by 8th grade. Brownie's was sweet, Girl Scouts, well...just cut short.

    By HS, girls have to be focused on their sport(s), numerous clubs (language, Civitan, Model UN, Debate, First Robotics....list is endless). Also, they are all involved with music/art/performance. And, they are involved in town with a charity of some kind...and often have a McJob somewhere. It's all about resume' building for the college app - that's it, in a nut shell.

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U's (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female "resume' builders" out there - it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda' , grosses-me out!

    I also, don't have daughters, but all my sons' are friends with these types of uber-driven smart girls, good girls...and, I have met many of them over the years (we have a pool, fire-pit, so my boys have been popular in N.E. for hang-outs in H.S.). And, my sons, like typical males, they're just happy to get accepted at any U who will take them (even the high IQ type)...but their female intellectual peers are in an epic battle to get that "golden ticket." Girls are competing against minority girls as well....and dirty secret: suburban girls will "pay" for every full-scholarship girl. So, math is important in a weird way for Admissions.

    OT: The Elite U's have just realized: white guys aren't even applyin' to their school. I am just relishing this since I saw this happening 10 years ago! Like I said a year ago, someday, there will have to be AA for Christian/non-sectarian white guys as far as elite college apps. Whose gonna event the next yuge thing if their high test scores are ignored in HS????

    Back to: scouting has suffered more for not being cool anymore than anything else. Who wants to put up with PC stuff? Kids are real cynical right now, I mean...really cynical...there is a lot more Hate out there than you would all believe among 17-20 somethings. And, I don't think lesbians or gays matter much in scouting. I don't remember any lesbian or gay (our jamborees with the Boy Scouts) leaders. If anything, in the 70's, the leaders would have their own wine and talk, or weed and walk after "lights out"...it was ALL so cool then. Even my sons have said. "we got robbed; how did you and Dad get to live through the 70's and 80's with the best music, the best vibe, and no PC culture?"

    Invent, not Event in 7th paragraph.

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  218. Pity about the gorilla; glad the boy is safe.

    The big lug meant well at first, but the instinctive screaming of the large cranium primates outside the enclosure stressed his IQ 35 consciousness. He became agitated in his movements and forgot he was coddling a young ‘un.

    Why does the female of our species do that, nowadays in our society? The non-stop unrestrained cries of “OMG!!” in an emergency situation?

    Is no one raised properly anymore?

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  219. @SPMoore8
    I understand why they shot the gorilla. When I seem him dragging the kid, I think, shoot. OTOH, when I see the gorilla holding the kid's hand, I think: what's going on here?

    I repeat, if any zoo can't establish proper security for its animals, it has no business being in operation, because as these sequences attest -- and they happen -- I think there was another one featuring a lion last week -- the animal gets killed through no fault of its own.

    Zoos might as well post signs, "Anyone found in the animal enclosures will result in the immediate death of the animal", because that's the de facto policy. And since that is the de facto policy, they ought to have protocols for handling these incidents besides killing, if at all possible. For one thing, in this case, the barriers are totally inadequate.

    Another example: there's the issue of taunting and throwing things at animals. I have seen that several times. I intervene when possible. People who do that should be escorted out. Not enough security? I don't know. But there was that case in SF a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids, and started roaming the zoo. Did they have to kill it? Sure. But who's to blame?

    I am not angry at the zoo, but it's a tragedy that a critically endangered animal has to be killed through a series of bad human judgments. Especially when there is no agreement as to the danger coming from this animal.

    I have always felt that the ultimate safety for the last wild animals will be private zoos. I loathe zoos, but have come around to the idea that animals are safer there than the animals being absolutely killed-off in their environment in Asia or Africa.

    People are jerks. At some point, maybe even in my lifetime, all the “large” animals will all be killed off…save for the few in the “gardens” of the ultra wealthy.

    I know the zoo people panicked with the kid in the water with the Gorilla, but, I am still disgusted with this moron mother who allowed her kid to climb on the 3′ high fence on-top of the 3.5′ masonry wall. Was she trolling for liability money? – yeah, I know, I am cynical…but that mother is a fracking moron.

    Full disclosure: I took my 3 sons to dozens of zoos when they were all (18-20 months apart) alone for 15 years or more! – all over the world. And, when they wanted to do stupid s*it, I always shut it down. They love animals, and, would never have done anything like this. We will never know what that gorilla was thinking…but it wasn’t $$$.

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    I think you are right, the only hope will be private reserves.

    If the African pop grows as predicted, they will go extinct. That is because human need is always seen as greater than animal need. That is why thylacines are extinct and why the 5 rhino species soon will be. Death sentences for poachers might work, but that would be "sick", so the end result is extinction. Because of the absolute sacredness of human life.

    Of course if one really believes human life is so sacred, that scuttles any limits on a handout society not to mention immigration. After all, those babies are drowning in the Mediterranean one by one as well.

    I'm not mad, just sad. As a Christian, I have to grapple with this. But I can't see clear if human life is perceived as absolute while the rest of creation is dismissed.
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  220. @Lagertha
    I have always felt that the ultimate safety for the last wild animals will be private zoos. I loathe zoos, but have come around to the idea that animals are safer there than the animals being absolutely killed-off in their environment in Asia or Africa.

    People are jerks. At some point, maybe even in my lifetime, all the "large" animals will all be killed off...save for the few in the "gardens" of the ultra wealthy.

    I know the zoo people panicked with the kid in the water with the Gorilla, but, I am still disgusted with this moron mother who allowed her kid to climb on the 3' high fence on-top of the 3.5' masonry wall. Was she trolling for liability money? - yeah, I know, I am cynical...but that mother is a fracking moron.

    Full disclosure: I took my 3 sons to dozens of zoos when they were all (18-20 months apart) alone for 15 years or more! - all over the world. And, when they wanted to do stupid s*it, I always shut it down. They love animals, and, would never have done anything like this. We will never know what that gorilla was thinking...but it wasn't $$$.

    I think you are right, the only hope will be private reserves.

    If the African pop grows as predicted, they will go extinct. That is because human need is always seen as greater than animal need. That is why thylacines are extinct and why the 5 rhino species soon will be. Death sentences for poachers might work, but that would be “sick”, so the end result is extinction. Because of the absolute sacredness of human life.

    Of course if one really believes human life is so sacred, that scuttles any limits on a handout society not to mention immigration. After all, those babies are drowning in the Mediterranean one by one as well.

    I’m not mad, just sad. As a Christian, I have to grapple with this. But I can’t see clear if human life is perceived as absolute while the rest of creation is dismissed.

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    I don't think human life is sacred at all - I am an outlier. I fully accept having melanoma, for instance, which will eventually kill me; and, I never want anyone to find a cure for cancer. We can not allow people to live forever, or to reproduce at the rates they are in Africa, Asia, Latin America. The world will end in horror (at least, the animals will be long gone) but you and I will be long gone as well, hopefully, my sons, too.
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  221. @Lagertha
    "calling all women!" I think Girl Scouts is no longer relevant with the suburban girls for several reasons, but most boringly, because of the lack of time. Before I go further, I was a Girl Scout - 1st in Brooklyn, then Jersey, as my father opted to move us to The Shore so he could be equidistant from NYC & Philly & Virginia - which was not such a haul from our base on the coast.

    Girl Scouts was cool in the 70's: we did great canoe/hiking trips to the Delaware Water Gap; Pine Barrens (love those scenes in 'Sopranos' from the Jersey Devil environs!) Winter camping in Moose Head Lake in Maine (along with the Boy Scouts, huzzah!) was so much fun! But, today, most scouting is devoid of all those wildernessy experiences. Liability insurance and the onslaught of Helicopter Parents ruined the "scouting" out of future campers, fracking forever. They just don't get to do ANY cool stuff anymore...and, I dare say, I would not be able to bring along my 9" knife (from Finland, of course) I used to carve stuff, anymore! We always snuck-in booze (those cheap faux leather alpine flasks!) and weed, as did the Boy Scouts - Maine was and is so fracking cold in February.

    Also, today's Middle School and HS girls are way too busy - their schedule is so packed with resume' building experiences and clubs/sports that scouting ends by 8th grade. Brownie's was sweet, Girl Scouts, well...just cut short.

    By HS, girls have to be focused on their sport(s), numerous clubs (language, Civitan, Model UN, Debate, First Robotics....list is endless). Also, they are all involved with music/art/performance. And, they are involved in town with a charity of some kind...and often have a McJob somewhere. It's all about resume' building for the college app - that's it, in a nut shell.

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U's (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female "resume' builders" out there - it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda' , grosses-me out!

    I also, don't have daughters, but all my sons' are friends with these types of uber-driven smart girls, good girls...and, I have met many of them over the years (we have a pool, fire-pit, so my boys have been popular in N.E. for hang-outs in H.S.). And, my sons, like typical males, they're just happy to get accepted at any U who will take them (even the high IQ type)...but their female intellectual peers are in an epic battle to get that "golden ticket." Girls are competing against minority girls as well....and dirty secret: suburban girls will "pay" for every full-scholarship girl. So, math is important in a weird way for Admissions.

    OT: The Elite U's have just realized: white guys aren't even applyin' to their school. I am just relishing this since I saw this happening 10 years ago! Like I said a year ago, someday, there will have to be AA for Christian/non-sectarian white guys as far as elite college apps. Whose gonna event the next yuge thing if their high test scores are ignored in HS????

    Back to: scouting has suffered more for not being cool anymore than anything else. Who wants to put up with PC stuff? Kids are real cynical right now, I mean...really cynical...there is a lot more Hate out there than you would all believe among 17-20 somethings. And, I don't think lesbians or gays matter much in scouting. I don't remember any lesbian or gay (our jamborees with the Boy Scouts) leaders. If anything, in the 70's, the leaders would have their own wine and talk, or weed and walk after "lights out"...it was ALL so cool then. Even my sons have said. "we got robbed; how did you and Dad get to live through the 70's and 80's with the best music, the best vibe, and no PC culture?"

    Suburban Girls are still getting admitted to elite U’s (not boys) but they are competing against all the other female “resume’ builders” out there – it is a ruthless arms race. It kinda’ , grosses-me out!

    I get the sense that the Brain Drain started winding down about 15-20 years ago. The Babe Drain is just now turning around.

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  222. @SPMoore8
    I understand why they shot the gorilla. When I seem him dragging the kid, I think, shoot. OTOH, when I see the gorilla holding the kid's hand, I think: what's going on here?

    I repeat, if any zoo can't establish proper security for its animals, it has no business being in operation, because as these sequences attest -- and they happen -- I think there was another one featuring a lion last week -- the animal gets killed through no fault of its own.

    Zoos might as well post signs, "Anyone found in the animal enclosures will result in the immediate death of the animal", because that's the de facto policy. And since that is the de facto policy, they ought to have protocols for handling these incidents besides killing, if at all possible. For one thing, in this case, the barriers are totally inadequate.

    Another example: there's the issue of taunting and throwing things at animals. I have seen that several times. I intervene when possible. People who do that should be escorted out. Not enough security? I don't know. But there was that case in SF a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids, and started roaming the zoo. Did they have to kill it? Sure. But who's to blame?

    I am not angry at the zoo, but it's a tragedy that a critically endangered animal has to be killed through a series of bad human judgments. Especially when there is no agreement as to the danger coming from this animal.

    a few years back where some kids were throwing things at a tiger, and sure enough the tiger got mad, jumped the moat, killed one of the kids

    Darwin Awards!

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  223. @SFG
    Interesting point, and quite a good one. I suppose just as men tend to take leadership positions in heavily female professions like library science and teaching, masculine women will take leadership positions in female organizations. Any of the (few) women here care to comment?

    There was a study that showed that professionally successful women and feminists are more masculine than the average woman by studying the digit ratio.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio

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  224. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson
    This article talks about anti-Black racism in China and India.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/27/china-and-india-have-a-huge-problem-with-racism-toward-black-people/

    The article refers to Chinese people as racially homogeneous, but describes Black people as racially diverse, which feeds into my personal theory that in a majority of cases when Liberals say diversity/diverse it is code word for Black people.

    The article also says Indians have a positive bias towards White people, but I don't see that in interracial marriage statistics, as Indians are the Asian group who are the least likely to marry White people.

    Even White guys on the Roosh V forum have said that it is a lot easier for a White guy to get a Black girlfriend than it is for a White guy to get an Indian girlfriend.

    Your theory? It’s a theory like gravity is a theory. “Diverse” means black, full stop.
    NPR a while ago was lamenting the fact that while the Boston public schools were close to full diversity, at 87% black, its teachers were not diverse at all, with 25% black, another 25% or so hispanic or other non-white and, horror of horrors, a plurality of them white! All of this was said with a straight face, because of course “diverse” means 100% black.

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  225. About ten years ago, a close male coworker going through an unpleasant divorce was heartbroken when his wife spitefully threw out his Eagle Scout award.

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    Did he at least call her a 'fracking a-hole' for doing that? I really don't like women at all...they are so petty, weak, conniving and evil. I had 2 close friends throughout school, the only two who were not a-holes.

    When I read all the negatives about women on this blog, I kinda' get it, but you guys weren't in HS with me, so, you didn't get another idea of what girls could be. I am so sorry about that.
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  226. @Spmoore8
    I think you are right, the only hope will be private reserves.

    If the African pop grows as predicted, they will go extinct. That is because human need is always seen as greater than animal need. That is why thylacines are extinct and why the 5 rhino species soon will be. Death sentences for poachers might work, but that would be "sick", so the end result is extinction. Because of the absolute sacredness of human life.

    Of course if one really believes human life is so sacred, that scuttles any limits on a handout society not to mention immigration. After all, those babies are drowning in the Mediterranean one by one as well.

    I'm not mad, just sad. As a Christian, I have to grapple with this. But I can't see clear if human life is perceived as absolute while the rest of creation is dismissed.

    I don’t think human life is sacred at all – I am an outlier. I fully accept having melanoma, for instance, which will eventually kill me; and, I never want anyone to find a cure for cancer. We can not allow people to live forever, or to reproduce at the rates they are in Africa, Asia, Latin America. The world will end in horror (at least, the animals will be long gone) but you and I will be long gone as well, hopefully, my sons, too.

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  227. @E. Rekshun
    About ten years ago, a close male coworker going through an unpleasant divorce was heartbroken when his wife spitefully threw out his Eagle Scout award.

    Did he at least call her a ‘fracking a-hole’ for doing that? I really don’t like women at all…they are so petty, weak, conniving and evil. I had 2 close friends throughout school, the only two who were not a-holes.

    When I read all the negatives about women on this blog, I kinda’ get it, but you guys weren’t in HS with me, so, you didn’t get another idea of what girls could be. I am so sorry about that.

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  228. @IA
    Dalrymple, like many suicidal westerners, pushes Islam. I wouldn't put much stock in his writing.

    The whitest Indians are high caste.

    Dalrymple, like many suicidal westerners, pushes Islam. I wouldn’t put much stock in his writing.

    William Dalrymple is a slightly eccentric Scottish Laird in real life, the younger son of a Baronet, and a bit of a romantic orientalist, somewhat in love with the syncretic cultures of the tolerant periods of Mughal rule in India.

    But suicidal?

    Dalrymple wrote the superb ‘From the Holy Mountain’ twenty years ago, an account of the two thousand year history of Christianity in the Holy Land and how it is suddenly being rapidly erased by the twin forces of Islamism and Zionism.

    He deserves major props for raising that alarm.

    Alas, it has gone largely unheeded since then, notwithstanding some of the ineffectual recent pearl-clutching about the fate of Eastern Christians under ISIS.

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    He deserves major props for raising that alarm.
     
    Oh for God's sake, he's a liberal oikophobe, whining about human rights. Since the days of Rousseau aristos have embraced the noble savage as a means of status marking lower orders. He's just more active and moves around more than most.

    Where does he write about Zionism erasing Christianity? In my copy of Holy Mountain I can't find Zionism in the Index.
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  229. @Auntie Analogue
    Julie Christie was born in India where her father was a tea planter; she was schooled in France. Olivia de Havilland and her sister Joan Fontaine were born in Japan; their father was an English professor and a patent attorney; their parents divorced when de Havilland was three years old, her mother then moved with the two girls to southern California.
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    The-Indian-sister-haunts-actress-Julie-Christie
     
    Any such dirt on Juliet Prowse?
    , @Auntie Analogue
    My dear wilpattuHouse, it appears you've studied the Christie tea leaves. (!)
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  230. @NickG

    Do you parents also believe that india has gotten much worse over time? My grandparents fought the war from India and constantly told me how horrible it has become.
     
    They havn't been back since the early 90s and me, even longer. India has liberalised its economy from the bad old socialism days - which has helped with growth, pulling people out of poverty and has resulted in a massively burgeoning middle class. But India is still a massive assault on the senses.

    And the population numbers are crazy. My folks went by ship to India in 1958 - the population then, was about 380 million. It's now around 1.3 billion -source. That's mental. Per square kilometre India comes in at 390, the UK at 260 and the US at 85.

    That said, my England based 59 yr old elder brother has been there on holiday the last 2 years with his wife, for a month each time, and loved it.

    After 23 years in South Africa, my appetite for the third world has, I confess abated somewhat. If it's third World I want low population density, scenery, fauna and flora - or else I want first world. Though I confess there is much about India, it's culture and some Indians I naturally warm to in a way that could just never happen with Africa.

    And the population numbers are crazy. My folks went by ship to India in 1958 – the population then, was about 380 million. It’s now around 1.3 billion…That’s mental. Per square kilometre India comes in at 390, the UK at 260 and the US at 85.

    Simple arithmetic tells us that India was then only somewhat more densely populated than the US is today when your parents went to India in 1958. No wonder they had a much nicer time than visitors today.

    Googling reveals that the population of New Delhi was a mere 178,000 in 1955. Today, it exceeds 26 million. That’s two orders of magnitude more mental!

    The urban India your parents experienced has probably been obliterated.

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    Simple arithmetic tells us that India was then only somewhat more densely populated than the US is today when your parents went to India in 1958.
     
    "Only somewhat"? India's number of square kilometers is "somewhat" less than the the square mile total of the US. A km² is about 3/8 of a mi². India's population at the time was already over 20% greater than that of the US today.

    That's 115/km² vs 85/km², or 35%.

    But yes, it wasn't the Soylent Green we see today.

    http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/IN

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