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Matthew Yglesias, a junior co-founder of Vox, is the author of the upcoming book One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Bigger, which I look forward to writing a review of. Ezra Klein, the senior co-founder of Vox, is the author of Why We’re Polarized, which I reviewed in Taki’s Magazine under the title “The Anti-Larry David.”

 
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  1. What a f__king coward. Go out swinging at least. Hell, you’re one of the co-founders. Can’t you take the whole thing out? Play hardball. This Matt Yglesias makes me sick, never mind the other guy.

    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!

    • Agree: Jim Christian, Olorin
    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Achmed E. Newman


    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!
     
    A profile picture wearing a mask is the dumbest virtue signal ever. It's like you want everyone to know you are so concerned about covid, that you actually think it could be spread over the internet. It just screams "beta male."
    , @AaronInMVD
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Matt Yglesias was one of the stooges originally pushing cancel culture and other forms of left-revisionism back when he was at Slate. He, like so many others, did it to himself. The problem with the left's dialectic style of argument is that it always ends up calling for once friendly blood and the "old guard" finds itself expendable.

    From a pure pattern-matching and game theoretical perspective it ought to make no sense to be a left-stooge, especially on the cultural front. At least for anyone with aspirations to relevancy beyond the age of 40. 2010's left radicals are 2020's deplorable targets for cancellation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Olorin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not to mention, as Aaron notes, that Yglesias was one of the midwives of the entire "cancel culture" phenomenon himself.

    The puling cowardice and nattering weakness of our academic and media class is on full display here. It's been a good 15 years since I decided that not one of them is worth an iota of my attention. They are a bunch of bickering children. Except children sometimes grow up.

  2. Libtards will tard, and their cross-tarding will be viewed as legit by other tards. And the tarding will “progress” until the master crushes the pupil. The rest of us will recognize the dishonesty, turpitude, and moral stench of the libtards. And we will marvel that there is one tard wondering how it came to this.

  3. Ezra responds to that characterization here:

    • Replies: @Thea
    @TGGP

    Well that is a bit surprising. Usually he plays cat and mouse but here he is clearly saying he disagrees with the premise of free speech.

    , @vhrm
    @TGGP

    Looking it up... "subtweet" i guess originally meant posting about someone without using their @username so that they probably wouldn't know about it. Here i guess it's more broadly "talking about someone behind their back"?

    Replies: @Barnard

    , @Clifford Brown
    @TGGP

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/10/yglesias_lg.jpg

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias' grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias' autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein's more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280826272852201472

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Replies: @anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Kratoklastes, @bomag

    , @Not My Economy
    @TGGP

    Big flex

    (Privately) "I can end you at any moment"

    (Publicly) "Haha, we're great friends bro I would never"

    , @Anonymous
    @TGGP

    Without free speech you don’t have a real democracy. We were all taught this in school. And it’s true. Now here is Ezra Klein saying that defending free speech is wrong. Ezra Klein does not think free speech is a good thing.

    What does this tell you about the kind of America Ezra Klein wants?

  4. So just to be clear: The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct? I mean they more or less gave up on it ages ago, but they were cagey about it: “I support free speech, EXCEPT…”

    But now they’re just against it, full stop. Right? I mean, I don’t know any other way to read this. I don’t know of any honest construction of their words now that doesn’t amount to “we no longer believe in free speech; we are formally dispensing with this as a principle worth defending.”

    I get that they don’t want to say it in precisely those words. But they really aren’t leaving much wiggle room, if one chooses to press the point.

    I presume they’re doing this now because they believe Trump is toast, and they don’t ever expect to lose another presidential election, and don’t think it’s too long until they can lock Republicans out of the House and Senate.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mr. Blank


    The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct?
     
    They will dissemble the issue into oblivion, mouthing support; but any speech they don't like becomes the equivalent of shouting FIRE in a crowded movie theater.
    , @John Achterhof
    @Mr. Blank

    You're right: Klein doesn't explicitly say he's against free speech, he just says those that take up this mantle stand to gain power. Apparently he finds worrisome the human interest in gaining power, and that power may be gained in supporting the still-popular right (and culture) of free speech. Of course, this same worry may also apply to other popular causes: there's *a lot* of power to be had in taking up the mantle of climate change or non-intervention in foreign policy or socialized health care...Klein doesn't say it but one may gather he believes that robust free speech in the public arena - which in forming opinion functions as mediation of political power - should be limited, such as through the current manner of Woke-mob intimidation. Sure, free speech in right and in public spirit has worked pretty well in the West over the past few hundred years, both practically in its liberalizing effect and morally in honoring human dignity, but maybe Klein has in mind some refinement on this venerable institution, some manner of ensuring that society doesn't stray too far from what enlightened minds may better discern as its proper course. He might share with us what form of power dynamic he favors for sheltering putative democracy in this concern - whether a plutocracy, aristocracy of donor-funded charters of benevolent intellectuals, whatever. Given the current state of affairs with Ilhan Omar now voicing a growing populist demand to dismantle the whole oppressive (capitalistic) system the arguement might win some favor, at the outset at least, that democracy ought not be allowed to be a collective immiseration pact. But then anyone given to inflated worry over the effect of robust free speech on the demos and power might not be keen to open discussion of how power over human affairs is best managed over time.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    , @David
    @Mr. Blank

    A Louisiana public school teacher was just fired because her husband painted, “Blue-n-white lives matter, too,” and “We all matter,” on his fence. The school described those phrases as, "deeply disturbing and inexcusable racist speech," to which "the Black Lives Matter movement protesting racism and police brutality take offense."

    So no free speech.

    https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_1fed8d14-c09f-11ea-9cf3-23c1b75009a0.html

    Replies: @anon

  5. From Michael Hobbes…..Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We’re objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn’t be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want…..but All Your Platforms Belong To Us…..

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    I don't know who Michael Hobbes is, but his statements are self-contradictory. Appears to be a fool.

    , @Patrick in SC
    @syonredux

    That's one of those Lefty, Inc. arguments that's one itty bitty pearl of truth surrounded by, and rendered meaningless by, 100 tons of dog crap.

    "Anybody can say anything, anywhere!"

    Sure, just start your own Youtube, Twitter, Google, New York Times, University.... country?

    You can't even express yourself on the street, assuming you could even get a permit, because a mob of goons will just assault you. But that's just "a confrontation" happening, or "violence breaking out," not an organized effort to silence dissent.

    , @Thea
    @syonredux

    If you can get fired for expressing unpopular beliefs that aren’t threats, then you do not have free speech.

    Replies: @Svigor

    , @James O'Meara
    @syonredux

    They always accuse YOU of what THEY are doing. Every... single... time.

    , @I Have Scinde
    @syonredux

    Everyone is allowed to speak, but the rest of you will not listen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE34T_xYhx0

  6. Ezra Klein, the senior co-founder of Vox, is the author of Why We’re Polarized

    We’re polarized because some of you goyim haven’t yet learned your place.

    Oh, but you will….

    In a related story…

    Oprah set to adapt ‘The 1619 Project’ examining the legacy of slavery with Lionsgate
    USA TODAY

    Oprah Winfrey and Lionsgate are partnering with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones to adapt The New York Times’ recent project examining the legacy of slavery for film and television.

    No word if they intend to address or just amplify the many ‘inaccuracies’ in the story..

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Mr McKenna

    Sailer, the money's right there on the table, but you still decline to take any.

  7. If i had the power to censor people I wouldn’t want to because of the screamingly obvious danger of pretty much what happened in 2016. I would agree with the segregation of information as a way of defeating heckling, but winning an argument Third World style means you suffer the backwardness of the Third World. We got way ahead of objectively “smarter”-testing peoples because we insisted on knowing what was going on warts and all, rather than simply recording that “today the local lord brought some trout to his neighbor and other than that nothing happened,” or the ancestors or the boyars are always right. This is not just a value from a textbook list, this is actually the secret of our success.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    This is conceited arrogance. If whites are going to survive this century they need to drop this obsession with 'objectivity' and start defending their interests, like all other groups. In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people. Period. End of discussion.

    Replies: @vhrm, @J.Ross

  8. The insufferable Judaism of all of this.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
    • LOL: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Hockamaw


    The insufferable Judaism of all of this.
     
    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.

    Neither of these "Americans" is a American. They're just guys with US passports. They have no love for America or Americans. Their fondest dreams and desires is how they are going to fix--i.e. wreck--it. The "good guy" in this little pissing match openly calls for America to be invaded by an additional 670 million people. Most places and peoples would be able to correctly identify that as treason and would just kick him out or string him up.

    To both these guys: There's no need for this. Israel exists now. You have a nation for your people, there's absolutely no need for you to work to trash mine. Just make aliyah. But even the tiniest bit of class--much less gratitude to the people who allowed your ancestors in--is too much. Some people just have no class.

    Replies: @Dissident

  9. Steve,

    As a matter of blogging etiquette, could you please not assume we are all following Twitter? This blog post appears to be about some controversy but it doesn’t make any sense to me. I will go Google “Harper’s letter” now based on comments above. I hope it is worth my time.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Chrisnonymous

    "I must not tweet.
    Tweets are the mind-killer.
    Tweets are the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my screen.
    I will permit the OK button to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its dark pattern.
    Where the tweets have gone there will be nothing. Only Jake will remain. That little shit."

    Replies: @anon

  10. @syonredux
    From Michael Hobbes.....Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We're objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn't be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.
     
    https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280867548964122624

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want.....but All Your Platforms Belong To Us.....

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Patrick in SC, @Thea, @James O'Meara, @I Have Scinde

    I don’t know who Michael Hobbes is, but his statements are self-contradictory. Appears to be a fool.

  11. A country based on a “proposition” cannot tolerate free speech. If you dissent from whatever the Current Year Proposition is, you are a traitor.

    When White Americans had a polity of their own, they could tolerate all kinds of opinions. White South Africans were allowed free speech as well. But now that the polity has changed in South Africa, well, they still technically have free speech, but of course, not Hate Speech!

    As the West becomes more multiracial, White spokesmen must advocate for the rights of White people to speak freely and have opinions.

  12. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Marxist revolutionaries arguing about the correct rate of change for dismantling freedom. Some want to keep up appearances more than others.

    I resent the too little too late posing here. Like they didn’t trade Voltaire in for Robespierre a long tine ago.

    THERE ARE ALMOST NO VOLTAIREISTS ON THE MODERN LEFT. The guy at the Intercept and a few others.

    As a thought experiment just imagine what “lefties” are saying to each other in private. It’s eliminationist rhetoric in public so there’s that.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous

    They won now, why would they want free speech?

    , @Svigor
    @Anonymous

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=voltaire+antisemitism

  13. “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll fight to the death to destroy your life over it.”

  14. @syonredux
    From Michael Hobbes.....Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We're objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn't be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.
     
    https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280867548964122624

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want.....but All Your Platforms Belong To Us.....

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Patrick in SC, @Thea, @James O'Meara, @I Have Scinde

    That’s one of those Lefty, Inc. arguments that’s one itty bitty pearl of truth surrounded by, and rendered meaningless by, 100 tons of dog crap.

    “Anybody can say anything, anywhere!”

    Sure, just start your own Youtube, Twitter, Google, New York Times, University…. country?

    You can’t even express yourself on the street, assuming you could even get a permit, because a mob of goons will just assault you. But that’s just “a confrontation” happening, or “violence breaking out,” not an organized effort to silence dissent.

  15. I tried to follow the pertinent tit-for-tat Twitter threads:

    Klein, Yglesias, Mounk, Blum …

    “I don’t know who’s Jewing who anymore” .jpg

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Klein, Yglesias, Mounk, Blum …
     
    "Little church monk flower"?
    , @Olorin
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I've related here in the past the former business partner who opened my eyes to the dynamics in the jewish family. (He was the guy who suffered a breakdown at a point of massive success, clawed his way back out, and had plenty to say on the topic of families like his being their own worst enemy, driving their offspring via trauma-based child-rearing into fear of the world, paranoia, and, in some cases, enhancement of schizophrenic tendencies.)

    I can't help seeing in these twittering teapot-tempests a bunch of little prince-siblings who are fighting for mommy's conditionally granted what-passes-for-love.

    But who's mommy? Or is it just so habitual, there is no other way they can behave by now?

    In any event, passing these midwits off as our intelligentsia is the second biggest lie extant, next to COVIDism. They chatter for a living, they have never done anything productive, never built anything, have no skills but chattering...

    ...and for that reason they should be studiously disregarded.

  16. @TGGP
    Ezra responds to that characterization here:
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1280960056733782018

    Replies: @Thea, @vhrm, @Clifford Brown, @Not My Economy, @Anonymous

    Well that is a bit surprising. Usually he plays cat and mouse but here he is clearly saying he disagrees with the premise of free speech.

  17. @syonredux
    From Michael Hobbes.....Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We're objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn't be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.
     
    https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280867548964122624

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want.....but All Your Platforms Belong To Us.....

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Patrick in SC, @Thea, @James O'Meara, @I Have Scinde

    If you can get fired for expressing unpopular beliefs that aren’t threats, then you do not have free speech.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Thea

    A goyish judicial system would probably rule that tax breaks or subsidies of any kind for free-speech-supressing institutions or business are unconstitutional. One tax law later (i.e., tax breaks for free-speech-upholding institutions and businesses) and all of the money-grubbers would have fallen into line.

    But we can't have nice things because...

  18. Anonymous[555] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, can you review Trump’s niece’s new book?

  19. The Letter showed me something that I didn’t know.

    “Harper’s” still exists? For real? Who knew! My grandparents used to read that, along with Saturday Evening Post which also sort of still exists.

  20. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a story about free speech growing up in eastern Arkansas during the 1960’s.

    My family (white) were very liberal. My parents have a lifetime achievement award from the Arkansas NAACP. My father is a preacher and gave sermons for integration. He was on the board of the state’s black college. I was in the first integrated cub scout den in Arkansas with my mother as den mother.
    When they integrated my elementary school I was the only white kid who made friends with the blacks. Later as a teenager I often talked politics with my white friends. I was for integration, they were against. I was for welfare, they were against. I was against the Vietnam war, they were for it.
    When the school had religious assemblies I was the only student who opted to not go to the assembly (I believed in separation of church and state).
    I was never punished or discouraged by my teachers or anyone in authority from expressing my views. I was never threatened or ostracized by white kids. I had lots of friends and a normal teenage social life.
    In fact, my friends enjoyed arguing with me to see if they could prove me wrong. People in Arkansas like to argue politics. It was a given that everyone was entitled to their opinion.
    A lot has changed since then. I now live in Seattle surrounded by liberals and progressives. I voted for Trump in 2016 and will vote for him again, but in this city I dare not say that to anyone or I could lose my job. I never discuss politics with anyone in Seattle, as the people here are fanatically dogmatic, narrow-minded, and vindictive with all their political opinions.
    The people of the Mississippi delta in Arkansas are many times more tolerant, open-minded, curious, and civil than Seattle progressives.
    When I compare my experience being a dissenter in Arkansas to being a dissenter in Seattle it is shocking. The witch hunt/lynch mob fever that has erupted in Seattle is something I have never seen before.

  21. All this is based on what we mean when we use the phrase “open society”.

    For some (Soros and friends), “open” means freedom to dissent from what they regard as prevailing norms. It means sticking a thumb in the eye of the establishment.

    For others, “open” means throwing the debate open to all comers. All are welcome as long as they obey the rules of debate. The rules of debate that prevail in the Western European Mind require that the presenter organize their thoughts and speech in such a manner that they don’t violate certain basic rules of logic and coherent thinking and that they be able to back up their argument with examples and more general math-like reasoning.

    For the latter group, open means “anything goes” as long as it conforms to standard modes of critical thinking. There is nothing forbidden. There are no sacred cows. From this open, rigorous debate, the Truth will emerge.

    The first group rejects this argument out of hand. They claim that the norms of logic and such constrain their right to think “creatively”, “out of the box”, to “dream about what could be”, to think “aspirationally”. They don’t want debate. They don’t want to have to justify themselves. The worth of that to which they aspire is self evident. It needs no justification. The so-called “rules of argumentation” are just a snare, a delaying tactic, a way to avoid reform. To go down that path is to give the home-field advantage to the White Male.

    The two differ on the very rules of talking with one another. There is simply no common ground here, which is why they always talk past one another.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @ThreeCranes

    Open in the Karl Popper/George Soros sense means open to Jewish penetration and domination.

  22. Semi-OT:

    Folks, the fully operational negro grievance Death Star has arrived:

    Oprah Winfrey, Lionsgate Team to Bring New York Times’ ‘1619 Project’ to TV and Film

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/07/08/oprah-winfrey-lionsgate-team-to-bring-new-york-times-1619-project-to-tv-and-film/

    The New York Times’ “1619 Project” is getting the full Hollywood treatment, thanks to Lionsgate and Oprah Winfrey.

    Under the deal, the controversial series of articles that sought to reframe American history around slavery will be adapted for the big and small screens — feature films, television series, documentaries, and various forms of unscripted content. Lionsgate will serve as the studio while Winfrey has come aboard as a producer.

  23. I am experiencing a mild case of schadenfreude.

  24. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    The Letter and the drama surrounding it is all about Her Majesty Harry Potter being savagely attacked for her trans heresy. That lady is herself an intolerant left wing witch (thought leader) and she’s extremely popular in the salons: her persecution has caused a major disturbance in that world.

    Orwell documented this psychodrama in detail decades ago. Sadly after his own political conversion to anti-communism he lived out his life stubbornly still believing that socialism was compatible with freedom of expression! Hard to believe but true.

    Bolseviks vs Mensheviks. Hope they both lose.

  25. Everyone has the positive freedom to define themselves as they choose. Yglesias irrevocably did so when he said he “couldn’t empathize” with Tucker Carlson for a doxing that led to his wife being terrified by what she thought was a home invasion. It is pretty clear that the good life for Yglesias is one way: him and those who share his abstract conceptions being free to enforce them by interfering with other people’s lives.

    Disney put more than $400 million into Vice Media. Now it says that investment is worthless. Vice media once had a nunber of transexual issues journalists, all gone now amid hundreds of redundancies. From what I can gather Vox has always ran a tighter ship cost wise.

    “Matt Yglesias’ $1.2 Million House Stokes Class Envy in Conservatives”. Just business.

  26. @TGGP
    Ezra responds to that characterization here:
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1280960056733782018

    Replies: @Thea, @vhrm, @Clifford Brown, @Not My Economy, @Anonymous

    Looking it up… “subtweet” i guess originally meant posting about someone without using their @username so that they probably wouldn’t know about it. Here i guess it’s more broadly “talking about someone behind their back”?

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @vhrm

    I also didn't know what it meant. I don't care about any of these people, but the whole episode just reinforces my belief Twitter shouldn't exist. It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

  27. One billion Americans.. That’s totally idiotic! Lol!

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @BB753

    Not really. Given existing immigration policy, it's a mathematical certainty.

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Clifford Brown
    @BB753

    https://youtu.be/-fu7jN2_2pE?t=179

    , @AnotherDad
    @BB753


    One billion Americans.. That’s totally idiotic! Lol!
     
    Idiotic--obviously. But it's a core--at *the core*--of the Jewish minoritarian ideology which is dominant now.

    To the founders, immigration was just "more people like ourselves to complete the conquest from the native tribes and beat out competing British and Spanish imperial claims." Later there was the desire to ramp up industry in world power competition and--of course--the age old siren call of cheap labor. But then patriots intervened ... "the frontier is closed, we have enough people and America belongs to Americans." Within a generation, that delivered the best lifestyle that working man had ever seen.

    But that rankled--still does--the Jewish idea of their right to go and middle man anywhere and everywhere, and contempt for the gentiles right to rule themselves in their own nations. So here we are:

    "Nation of immigrants!"

    (Borders on "diversity is our strength" for sheer self-contradictory sociological stupidity.)

    The obvious mathematical logic of "nation of immigrants" is that your nation will become the shitiest place on earth--as immigration can't stop until simply no more immigrants want to come from anywhere else.

    Would the USA be the shitiest place on earth before the population reaches a billion? Pretty clearly not. I'd guess we could pick up half a billion from India alone without losing takers from there, and still be desirable to Africans.

    Optimistically ... i don't think we'll see a billion. As whites drop to being another squabbling minority, Latino and Asian populations rise and Jews outbreed and the Jewish influence declines, i think immigration policy becomes more rational. Groups might want some more of their people ... but not the other guys' people. People care about the interests of *their* children--their jobs, housing, schooling, family formation, quality of life. And no one will want the flood of Africans beating at the gates.

    No, absent Jewish propaganda--and the craven capitulation, the unwillingness to it out for the nation-wrecking, anti-gentile hate it is--"immigration forever!" has no real constituency. We won't see a billion. But the half a billion we will see will be plenty ugly enough. The destruction has been immense and there's much, much more to come.

    Replies: @BB753

  28. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I tried to follow the pertinent tit-for-tat Twitter threads:

    Klein, Yglesias, Mounk, Blum …

    “I don’t know who’s Jewing who anymore” .jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin

    Klein, Yglesias, Mounk, Blum …

    “Little church monk flower”?

  29. Semi-OT: there’s now an online petition to the NY Times to not dox Scott Alexander:

    https://www.dontdoxscottalexander.com/

    It currently has 6,669 signatures.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Garlic

    Didn't he already shut down his website/blog? Given how quickly today's lefties change their minds and turn on one another would it even matter if the NYT didn't dox him for now? In two weeks they could change their mind again.

  30. @TGGP
    Ezra responds to that characterization here:
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1280960056733782018

    Replies: @Thea, @vhrm, @Clifford Brown, @Not My Economy, @Anonymous

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias’ grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias’ autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein’s more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    • LOL: Svigor
    • Replies: @anon
    @Clifford Brown

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein.

    Lol! Nah...

    http://noobist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mad-Max-Thunderdome.png

    , @Che Blutarsky
    @Clifford Brown

    The resale value of that cabin will go through the roof when there's a dozen Somalis camped out in the back.

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Clifford Brown

    I think at least one of them's a bummer, which would break the tie.

    Neither's a woman, so no upside from that; neither of them's white[*], so no downside from that.

    Although in outright Wokemon points bummers are below Jews (duh!), bummer-Jews are worth more Wokemon points than non-bummer Jews.

    One of them needs to declare themselves trans-something - tranny Jew beats bummer Jew, although that still leaves the trannyJew open to a flanking manoeuvre from a spastic cripple tranny Jew.


    OT: since race isn't a thing, why doesn't everyone troll the WorkBorg by asserting that they are "transJewish" or "transBlack"? If there's no genetic basis for race, seems like it would be hard for WokeBorg to raise an objection.

    (I think I've got the 'trans-' syntax right: it seems that if you're "trans-X" it means you're not actually X but you're convinced more people will like you if you pretend that you are. So a trans-man is someone who started out with a vagina.)

    Anyway...

    Point is, there will also be such a thing as "rapid onset" version, whereby you can become transBlack (or transJewish) in the blink of an eye.

    Someone just told you you were wrong about something? BAM... rapid-onset transition to transJew and call that motherfucker out on his blatant antisemitism. Get him fired, too.

    And once it is no longer useful to be transJewish, you can just detransition (equally-rapid onset, bien sûr) until it becomes useful gain.

    As an example: as a transBlack man, I could get a discount on entry criteria for prestigious US colleges; as a transJew I could get a subsidised trip to Occupied Palestine.

    Seems like it's all upside... WCGW?

    inb4 some tard thinks that I would have to abandon my previous identification (i.e., Oliver Hazard Perry class guided missile frigate). Fuck off, racist anti-shippite.


    [*] Jews aren't white. I'll go as high as Slavo-Turkish, but no higher.

    , @bomag
    @Clifford Brown


    Seems like there might be a contradiction.
     
    Touché.
  31. @Mr McKenna

    Ezra Klein, the senior co-founder of Vox, is the author of Why We’re Polarized
     
    We're polarized because some of you goyim haven't yet learned your place.

    Oh, but you will....

    In a related story...


    Oprah set to adapt 'The 1619 Project' examining the legacy of slavery with Lionsgate
    USA TODAY

    Oprah Winfrey and Lionsgate are partnering with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones to adapt The New York Times’ recent project examining the legacy of slavery for film and television.
     

    No word if they intend to address or just amplify the many 'inaccuracies' in the story..

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Sailer, the money’s right there on the table, but you still decline to take any.

  32. @syonredux
    From Michael Hobbes.....Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We're objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn't be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.
     
    https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280867548964122624

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want.....but All Your Platforms Belong To Us.....

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Patrick in SC, @Thea, @James O'Meara, @I Have Scinde

    They always accuse YOU of what THEY are doing. Every… single… time.

  33. A vile desire to control speech is the twine that binds together the faggot of progressive special interest groups that plagues our culture. But it was Zionists who bunched those twigs together and tied the knot. There are Jews who passionately defend freedom of speech–true heroes–but the power driving the war on speech is Zionism. Rot in hell, Ezra Klein, you despicable phony.

  34. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    Ezra Klein is “Chasing Chameron” for 40-year-old New York yentas

  35. @Clifford Brown
    @TGGP

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/10/yglesias_lg.jpg

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias' grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias' autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein's more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280826272852201472

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Replies: @anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Kratoklastes, @bomag

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein.

    Lol! Nah…

    • LOL: Olorin
  36. @BB753
    One billion Americans.. That's totally idiotic! Lol!

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Clifford Brown, @AnotherDad

    Not really. Given existing immigration policy, it’s a mathematical certainty.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @silviosilver

    Yes, but he wants to make it happen sooner. As in next year.

  37. @BB753
    One billion Americans.. That's totally idiotic! Lol!

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Clifford Brown, @AnotherDad

  38. @Garlic
    Semi-OT: there’s now an online petition to the NY Times to not dox Scott Alexander:

    https://www.dontdoxscottalexander.com/

    It currently has 6,669 signatures.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    Didn’t he already shut down his website/blog? Given how quickly today’s lefties change their minds and turn on one another would it even matter if the NYT didn’t dox him for now? In two weeks they could change their mind again.

  39. @vhrm
    @TGGP

    Looking it up... "subtweet" i guess originally meant posting about someone without using their @username so that they probably wouldn't know about it. Here i guess it's more broadly "talking about someone behind their back"?

    Replies: @Barnard

    I also didn’t know what it meant. I don’t care about any of these people, but the whole episode just reinforces my belief Twitter shouldn’t exist. It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Barnard


    It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.
     
    Sure it does. It adds to the evidence that a very large number of people are either congenital idiots, or are on a cocktail of prescription psychotropics. If nothing else, it gives everyone a hint about who to avoid.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  40. @Clifford Brown
    @TGGP

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/10/yglesias_lg.jpg

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias' grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias' autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein's more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280826272852201472

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Replies: @anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Kratoklastes, @bomag

    The resale value of that cabin will go through the roof when there’s a dozen Somalis camped out in the back.

  41. @TGGP
    Ezra responds to that characterization here:
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1280960056733782018

    Replies: @Thea, @vhrm, @Clifford Brown, @Not My Economy, @Anonymous

    Big flex

    (Privately) “I can end you at any moment”

    (Publicly) “Haha, we’re great friends bro I would never”

  42. vhrm says:

    This is mostly OT and i’m sorry about that, but it somewhat fits under the slanted media category that Vox is one of.

    Right now there are stories on the major news sites (but not Vox) about how Floyd said he couldn’t breathe 20 times as was revealed in the transcripts of bodycam footage that was released today.

    What most of the articles DON’T say is that Floyd started saying he couldn’t breathe while they were still trying to get him in the car, before Chauvin even showed up and well before he was on the ground. And Floyd himself asked to be put on the ground.

    In fact, after he started saying couldn’t breathe, around 10:10 in the transcript, a bystander (not one of the officers) says:
    “Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heart attack and shit man. Get in the car!”
    (from https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6983106-Thomas-Lane-body-camera-transcript.html#document/p1 page 12 of 25)

    This is before Chauvin even appears in the transcript.

    Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.

    (got to transcript via startribune.com links on
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/08/889215893/transcripts-of-police-body-cams-show-floyd-pleaded-20-times-that-he-couldnt-brea

    (because people like CNN and BBC are of course not even going to link the source material… just give their slanted take) )

    • Thanks: Patrick in SC
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @vhrm

    You make many great points here. Thanks for posting.

    But one comment on this:

    "Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack."

    An anxiety attack? He had fentanyl, meth, and other drugs in his system. Even before the toxicology report came out, I assumed that he had ingested drugs when he knew cops were about to search him and his car. It's a common scenario. A rapper died at a Chicago airport under those circumstances not long before Floyd died.

    But regardless of how those drugs got in his system, they were in his system. He was most likely dying before he even got out of the car. There are excellent articles on this published here at Unz. If you ever want to lose faith in humanity, check out the many hysterical comments posted beneath those articles, wherein readers shriek with indignation that anyone would DARE challenge the narrative that St. Floyd was "murdered" by an evil police man.

    , @Clifford Brown
    @vhrm

    https://www.altamirarecovery.com/fentanyl/risks-fentanyl-overdose

    Symptoms of fentanyl overdose.

    "Difficulty swallowing, feelings of choking"

    The transcripts also show that Floyd repeatedly requested to be put on the ground as opposed to being placed in the police car. Possibly because he was losing consciousness.

    , @Anonymousse
    @vhrm

    Page ONE


    George Floyd: I didn’t do nothing
     
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6983106-Thomas-Lane-body-camera-transcript.html#document/p1
  43. @silviosilver
    @BB753

    Not really. Given existing immigration policy, it's a mathematical certainty.

    Replies: @BB753

    Yes, but he wants to make it happen sooner. As in next year.

  44. @vhrm
    This is mostly OT and i'm sorry about that, but it somewhat fits under the slanted media category that Vox is one of.

    Right now there are stories on the major news sites (but not Vox) about how Floyd said he couldn't breathe 20 times as was revealed in the transcripts of bodycam footage that was released today.

    What most of the articles DON'T say is that Floyd started saying he couldn't breathe while they were still trying to get him in the car, before Chauvin even showed up and well before he was on the ground. And Floyd himself asked to be put on the ground.

    In fact, after he started saying couldn't breathe, around 10:10 in the transcript, a bystander (not one of the officers) says:
    "Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heart attack and shit man. Get in the car!"
    (from https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6983106-Thomas-Lane-body-camera-transcript.html#document/p1 page 12 of 25)

    This is before Chauvin even appears in the transcript.

    Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.

    (got to transcript via startribune.com links on
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/08/889215893/transcripts-of-police-body-cams-show-floyd-pleaded-20-times-that-he-couldnt-brea

    (because people like CNN and BBC are of course not even going to link the source material... just give their slanted take) )

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Clifford Brown, @Anonymousse

    You make many great points here. Thanks for posting.

    But one comment on this:

    “Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.”

    An anxiety attack? He had fentanyl, meth, and other drugs in his system. Even before the toxicology report came out, I assumed that he had ingested drugs when he knew cops were about to search him and his car. It’s a common scenario. A rapper died at a Chicago airport under those circumstances not long before Floyd died.

    But regardless of how those drugs got in his system, they were in his system. He was most likely dying before he even got out of the car. There are excellent articles on this published here at Unz. If you ever want to lose faith in humanity, check out the many hysterical comments posted beneath those articles, wherein readers shriek with indignation that anyone would DARE challenge the narrative that St. Floyd was “murdered” by an evil police man.

  45. @vhrm
    This is mostly OT and i'm sorry about that, but it somewhat fits under the slanted media category that Vox is one of.

    Right now there are stories on the major news sites (but not Vox) about how Floyd said he couldn't breathe 20 times as was revealed in the transcripts of bodycam footage that was released today.

    What most of the articles DON'T say is that Floyd started saying he couldn't breathe while they were still trying to get him in the car, before Chauvin even showed up and well before he was on the ground. And Floyd himself asked to be put on the ground.

    In fact, after he started saying couldn't breathe, around 10:10 in the transcript, a bystander (not one of the officers) says:
    "Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heart attack and shit man. Get in the car!"
    (from https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6983106-Thomas-Lane-body-camera-transcript.html#document/p1 page 12 of 25)

    This is before Chauvin even appears in the transcript.

    Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.

    (got to transcript via startribune.com links on
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/08/889215893/transcripts-of-police-body-cams-show-floyd-pleaded-20-times-that-he-couldnt-brea

    (because people like CNN and BBC are of course not even going to link the source material... just give their slanted take) )

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Clifford Brown, @Anonymousse

    https://www.altamirarecovery.com/fentanyl/risks-fentanyl-overdose

    Symptoms of fentanyl overdose.

    “Difficulty swallowing, feelings of choking”

    The transcripts also show that Floyd repeatedly requested to be put on the ground as opposed to being placed in the police car. Possibly because he was losing consciousness.

  46. @syonredux
    From Michael Hobbes.....Standard issue Leftist journalist:

    We're objectively *not* living in a time when free speech is being constricted. Instead of too few gatekeepers, we arguably have none at all. The debates now shouldn't be about who gets to speak — anyone can post anything anywhere — but about which opinions get platformed.
     
    https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1280867548964122624

    Sure, White cishet conservatives, you can say whatever you want.....but All Your Platforms Belong To Us.....

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Patrick in SC, @Thea, @James O'Meara, @I Have Scinde

    Everyone is allowed to speak, but the rest of you will not listen.

  47. @Clifford Brown
    @TGGP

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/10/yglesias_lg.jpg

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias' grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias' autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein's more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280826272852201472

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Replies: @anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Kratoklastes, @bomag

    I think at least one of them’s a bummer, which would break the tie.

    Neither’s a woman, so no upside from that; neither of them’s white[*], so no downside from that.

    Although in outright Wokemon points bummers are below Jews (duh!), bummer-Jews are worth more Wokemon points than non-bummer Jews.

    One of them needs to declare themselves trans-something – tranny Jew beats bummer Jew, although that still leaves the trannyJew open to a flanking manoeuvre from a spastic cripple tranny Jew.

    OT: since race isn’t a thing, why doesn’t everyone troll the WorkBorg by asserting that they are “transJewish” or “transBlack”? If there’s no genetic basis for race, seems like it would be hard for WokeBorg to raise an objection.

    (I think I’ve got the ‘trans-‘ syntax right: it seems that if you’re “trans-X” it means you’re not actually X but you’re convinced more people will like you if you pretend that you are. So a trans-man is someone who started out with a vagina.)

    Anyway…

    Point is, there will also be such a thing as “rapid onset” version, whereby you can become transBlack (or transJewish) in the blink of an eye.

    Someone just told you you were wrong about something? BAM… rapid-onset transition to transJew and call that motherfucker out on his blatant antisemitism. Get him fired, too.

    And once it is no longer useful to be transJewish, you can just detransition (equally-rapid onset, bien sûr) until it becomes useful gain.

    As an example: as a transBlack man, I could get a discount on entry criteria for prestigious US colleges; as a transJew I could get a subsidised trip to Occupied Palestine.

    Seems like it’s all upside… WCGW?

    inb4 some tard thinks that I would have to abandon my previous identification (i.e., Oliver Hazard Perry class guided missile frigate). Fuck off, racist anti-shippite.

    [*] Jews aren’t white. I’ll go as high as Slavo-Turkish, but no higher.

  48. @Barnard
    @vhrm

    I also didn't know what it meant. I don't care about any of these people, but the whole episode just reinforces my belief Twitter shouldn't exist. It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.

    Sure it does. It adds to the evidence that a very large number of people are either congenital idiots, or are on a cocktail of prescription psychotropics. If nothing else, it gives everyone a hint about who to avoid.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Kratoklastes


    If nothing else, it gives everyone a hint about who to avoid.
     
    Most edifying is the way the media so heavily relies on twit comments as “news” content.
  49. @vhrm
    This is mostly OT and i'm sorry about that, but it somewhat fits under the slanted media category that Vox is one of.

    Right now there are stories on the major news sites (but not Vox) about how Floyd said he couldn't breathe 20 times as was revealed in the transcripts of bodycam footage that was released today.

    What most of the articles DON'T say is that Floyd started saying he couldn't breathe while they were still trying to get him in the car, before Chauvin even showed up and well before he was on the ground. And Floyd himself asked to be put on the ground.

    In fact, after he started saying couldn't breathe, around 10:10 in the transcript, a bystander (not one of the officers) says:
    "Speaker 9: Bro, you about to have a heart attack and shit man. Get in the car!"
    (from https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6983106-Thomas-Lane-body-camera-transcript.html#document/p1 page 12 of 25)

    This is before Chauvin even appears in the transcript.

    Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.

    (got to transcript via startribune.com links on
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/08/889215893/transcripts-of-police-body-cams-show-floyd-pleaded-20-times-that-he-couldnt-brea

    (because people like CNN and BBC are of course not even going to link the source material... just give their slanted take) )

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Clifford Brown, @Anonymousse

    • LOL: vhrm
  50. @Achmed E. Newman
    What a f__king coward. Go out swinging at least. Hell, you're one of the co-founders. Can't you take the whole thing out? Play hardball. This Matt Yglesias makes me sick, never mind the other guy.

    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AaronInMVD, @Olorin

    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!

    A profile picture wearing a mask is the dumbest virtue signal ever. It’s like you want everyone to know you are so concerned about covid, that you actually think it could be spread over the internet. It just screams “beta male.”

  51. @Hockamaw
    The insufferable Judaism of all of this.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The insufferable Judaism of all of this.

    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.

    Neither of these “Americans” is a American. They’re just guys with US passports. They have no love for America or Americans. Their fondest dreams and desires is how they are going to fix–i.e. wreck–it. The “good guy” in this little pissing match openly calls for America to be invaded by an additional 670 million people. Most places and peoples would be able to correctly identify that as treason and would just kick him out or string him up.

    To both these guys: There’s no need for this. Israel exists now. You have a nation for your people, there’s absolutely no need for you to work to trash mine. Just make aliyah. But even the tiniest bit of class–much less gratitude to the people who allowed your ancestors in–is too much. Some people just have no class.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin, Olorin, Glt
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @AnotherDad



    [Hockamaw] The insufferable Judaism of all of this.
     
    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.
     
    Parasites perhaps but like most Jews since the effects of the haskalah took hold, neither of the individuals-in-question is representative, much less exemplary, of Judaism. (And to the extent that either may be familiar with the Talmud at all, I doubt it is beyond a fairly superficial level.)

    Authentically expounded in the Talmud and other canonical texts and traditions, Judaism teaches that Jews are in a divinely decreed exile that we will only be delivered from upon the arrival of the promised Messiah. Until that time, which we yearn and pray for daily, we are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens/subjects of our host nations/lands. We are specifically enjoined to show due respect and gratitude to the peoples we live among and not to be subversive or any more provocative or confrontational than might be absolutely necessary in order to ensure our freedom to practice the principles of our faith.

    Said faith emphatically does not condone, much less require us to promote immigration or meddle into foreign policy. (And we are certainly forbidden from promoting sexual degeneracy or hostility toward the majority population.) Arrogant, grandiose, ignorant statements and behavior from those who represent perversions of Judaism notwithstanding.

    Replies: @BB753

  52. Reading this whole transcript it seems pretty clear that Floyd was having an anxiety attack of some sort and then had a heart attack.

    “Excited delirium syndrome,” is a common event triggered by drug overdose and stress that results in paranoia, loss of control, and cardiopulmonary failure, exactly as happened to Floyd.

    All the cops and EMTs are trained to recognize and respond to its symptoms by, among other things, physically restraining the person on his stomach.

    I’m guessing none of these hack media reports mention the terms “excited delerium” “fentanyl.” There seems to be a media blackout on Floyd’s tox screen.

  53. @BB753
    One billion Americans.. That's totally idiotic! Lol!

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Clifford Brown, @AnotherDad

    One billion Americans.. That’s totally idiotic! Lol!

    Idiotic–obviously. But it’s a core–at *the core*–of the Jewish minoritarian ideology which is dominant now.

    To the founders, immigration was just “more people like ourselves to complete the conquest from the native tribes and beat out competing British and Spanish imperial claims.” Later there was the desire to ramp up industry in world power competition and–of course–the age old siren call of cheap labor. But then patriots intervened … “the frontier is closed, we have enough people and America belongs to Americans.” Within a generation, that delivered the best lifestyle that working man had ever seen.

    But that rankled–still does–the Jewish idea of their right to go and middle man anywhere and everywhere, and contempt for the gentiles right to rule themselves in their own nations. So here we are:

    “Nation of immigrants!”

    (Borders on “diversity is our strength” for sheer self-contradictory sociological stupidity.)

    The obvious mathematical logic of “nation of immigrants” is that your nation will become the shitiest place on earth–as immigration can’t stop until simply no more immigrants want to come from anywhere else.

    Would the USA be the shitiest place on earth before the population reaches a billion? Pretty clearly not. I’d guess we could pick up half a billion from India alone without losing takers from there, and still be desirable to Africans.

    Optimistically … i don’t think we’ll see a billion. As whites drop to being another squabbling minority, Latino and Asian populations rise and Jews outbreed and the Jewish influence declines, i think immigration policy becomes more rational. Groups might want some more of their people … but not the other guys’ people. People care about the interests of *their* children–their jobs, housing, schooling, family formation, quality of life. And no one will want the flood of Africans beating at the gates.

    No, absent Jewish propaganda–and the craven capitulation, the unwillingness to it out for the nation-wrecking, anti-gentile hate it is–“immigration forever!” has no real constituency. We won’t see a billion. But the half a billion we will see will be plenty ugly enough. The destruction has been immense and there’s much, much more to come.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    "And no one will want the flood of Africans beating at the gates."

    Elites (whether Jewish or gentile) do want that flood to happen.
    Since they can't stop Africans from breeding, they need an escape valve to stop Africa from exploding. Remember Steve's "world's most important graph ©"? Not out the kindness of their hearts, but out of self-interest. It's already difficult to keep mining and other business operations in Africa as it is now, so they don't want the situation to get worse.

  54. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    If i had the power to censor people I wouldn't want to because of the screamingly obvious danger of pretty much what happened in 2016. I would agree with the segregation of information as a way of defeating heckling, but winning an argument Third World style means you suffer the backwardness of the Third World. We got way ahead of objectively "smarter"-testing peoples because we insisted on knowing what was going on warts and all, rather than simply recording that "today the local lord brought some trout to his neighbor and other than that nothing happened," or the ancestors or the boyars are always right. This is not just a value from a textbook list, this is actually the secret of our success.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This is conceited arrogance. If whites are going to survive this century they need to drop this obsession with ‘objectivity’ and start defending their interests, like all other groups. In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people. Period. End of discussion.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Anonymous


    In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people.
     
    idk... belief in an objective reality and acting in accordance with that belief is perhaps the biggest advancement of the modern, especially Western, world and it is very useful.

    There's no need to chuck it out. If you want to save white people:
    - encourage them to have kids (especially the smart ones)
    - fight for cutting all aid other than birth control and education of girls to Africa and the rest of the developing world.
    - immigration limits into the US especially for the uneducated.
    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Ah, I see you are an initiated man. I'll tell you what. I've got this piece of string which repulses nonwhites, but I need your bank account number to send it to you. The product is absolutely guaranteed.

  55. In the not so distant future, “Free Speech” will be for our future selves and children what “taxation without representation” and “general warrants” were for the first Founders of the US … an evil that had to be reigned in. Other “rights” in The New Bill of Rights will be establishment of Statism as a religion, with the holy sacraments of abortion and gay marriage, the right to a public and published life (the Right to be Doxxed), the right to No-Knock searches and Civil Forfeitures, the Right to Self Incrimination, the Right to long and endless trials by a jury of lessers or by magistrates alone, and the right to cruel and unusual punishment if you are the wrong race or of an unorthodox belief system.

    We already have these Freedumbs® … they just aren’t enshrined in a document yet.

  56. Anyone who wants to live in a country with “one billion” people already has one’s choice of two absolute shit holes, China and India, soon [within decades] being joined by Nigeria. Bangladesh is on track mathematically, to hit that sickening milestone, though given the size of the country they’ll be stacked like cordwood. Their plan, however, according to their female current or recent president, is to “send them to America.”

  57. @Anonymous
    Marxist revolutionaries arguing about the correct rate of change for dismantling freedom. Some want to keep up appearances more than others.

    I resent the too little too late posing here. Like they didn't trade Voltaire in for Robespierre a long tine ago.

    THERE ARE ALMOST NO VOLTAIREISTS ON THE MODERN LEFT. The guy at the Intercept and a few others.

    As a thought experiment just imagine what "lefties" are saying to each other in private. It's eliminationist rhetoric in public so there's that.

    Replies: @SFG, @Svigor

    They won now, why would they want free speech?

    • Agree: BB753
  58. Didn’t Donald/Deirdre McLoskey, one of the signatories, try to get Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard cancelled, for hitting a very raw nerve about masculine late-transitioners?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Oh, yeah ...

    Gladwell tried to get Pinker canceled for citing me on NFL quarterback statistics.

    Cathy Young tried to get me canceled for noticing that Sabrina Rubin Erdely's "A Rape on Campus" had something to do with her anti-Gentilism.

    Replies: @BB753

  59. @YetAnotherAnon
    Didn't Donald/Deirdre McLoskey, one of the signatories, try to get Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard cancelled, for hitting a very raw nerve about masculine late-transitioners?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Oh, yeah …

    Gladwell tried to get Pinker canceled for citing me on NFL quarterback statistics.

    Cathy Young tried to get me canceled for noticing that Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s “A Rape on Campus” had something to do with her anti-Gentilism.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Don't late transitioners mellow out as their testosterone levels drop and turn slowly into old trans-ladies?

  60. @AnotherDad
    @BB753


    One billion Americans.. That’s totally idiotic! Lol!
     
    Idiotic--obviously. But it's a core--at *the core*--of the Jewish minoritarian ideology which is dominant now.

    To the founders, immigration was just "more people like ourselves to complete the conquest from the native tribes and beat out competing British and Spanish imperial claims." Later there was the desire to ramp up industry in world power competition and--of course--the age old siren call of cheap labor. But then patriots intervened ... "the frontier is closed, we have enough people and America belongs to Americans." Within a generation, that delivered the best lifestyle that working man had ever seen.

    But that rankled--still does--the Jewish idea of their right to go and middle man anywhere and everywhere, and contempt for the gentiles right to rule themselves in their own nations. So here we are:

    "Nation of immigrants!"

    (Borders on "diversity is our strength" for sheer self-contradictory sociological stupidity.)

    The obvious mathematical logic of "nation of immigrants" is that your nation will become the shitiest place on earth--as immigration can't stop until simply no more immigrants want to come from anywhere else.

    Would the USA be the shitiest place on earth before the population reaches a billion? Pretty clearly not. I'd guess we could pick up half a billion from India alone without losing takers from there, and still be desirable to Africans.

    Optimistically ... i don't think we'll see a billion. As whites drop to being another squabbling minority, Latino and Asian populations rise and Jews outbreed and the Jewish influence declines, i think immigration policy becomes more rational. Groups might want some more of their people ... but not the other guys' people. People care about the interests of *their* children--their jobs, housing, schooling, family formation, quality of life. And no one will want the flood of Africans beating at the gates.

    No, absent Jewish propaganda--and the craven capitulation, the unwillingness to it out for the nation-wrecking, anti-gentile hate it is--"immigration forever!" has no real constituency. We won't see a billion. But the half a billion we will see will be plenty ugly enough. The destruction has been immense and there's much, much more to come.

    Replies: @BB753

    “And no one will want the flood of Africans beating at the gates.”

    Elites (whether Jewish or gentile) do want that flood to happen.
    Since they can’t stop Africans from breeding, they need an escape valve to stop Africa from exploding. Remember Steve’s “world’s most important graph ©”? Not out the kindness of their hearts, but out of self-interest. It’s already difficult to keep mining and other business operations in Africa as it is now, so they don’t want the situation to get worse.

  61. OT, but Google’s first prompt for Steve Sailer (no doubt sponsored) was “net worth”
    Here’s what the first site had to say about Steve Sailer : “On TRENDCELEBSNOW.COM, Steve Sailer is one of the successful Journalist. Steve has ranked on the list of those famous people who were born on December 20, 1958. Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States.” (sic)

    LOL!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @BB753

    Got dammit, I just sent him some money an hour ago! He never said he was one of the successful and Richest Journalist. I need to get me another piece of iCrap. It's ridiculous how much news I'm missing, and I can't bet people about any trivia anymore either... been losing my ass like that.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @BB753


    Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States.
     
    He will be when he gets my check! Watch your mailbox, Steve! /s

    Replies: @BB753

  62. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @TGGP
    Ezra responds to that characterization here:
    https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1280960056733782018

    Replies: @Thea, @vhrm, @Clifford Brown, @Not My Economy, @Anonymous

    Without free speech you don’t have a real democracy. We were all taught this in school. And it’s true. Now here is Ezra Klein saying that defending free speech is wrong. Ezra Klein does not think free speech is a good thing.

    What does this tell you about the kind of America Ezra Klein wants?

  63. @Mr. Blank
    So just to be clear: The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct? I mean they more or less gave up on it ages ago, but they were cagey about it: "I support free speech, EXCEPT..."

    But now they're just against it, full stop. Right? I mean, I don't know any other way to read this. I don't know of any honest construction of their words now that doesn't amount to "we no longer believe in free speech; we are formally dispensing with this as a principle worth defending."

    I get that they don't want to say it in precisely those words. But they really aren't leaving much wiggle room, if one chooses to press the point.

    I presume they're doing this now because they believe Trump is toast, and they don't ever expect to lose another presidential election, and don't think it's too long until they can lock Republicans out of the House and Senate.

    Replies: @bomag, @John Achterhof, @David

    The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct?

    They will dissemble the issue into oblivion, mouthing support; but any speech they don’t like becomes the equivalent of shouting FIRE in a crowded movie theater.

  64. @Achmed E. Newman
    What a f__king coward. Go out swinging at least. Hell, you're one of the co-founders. Can't you take the whole thing out? Play hardball. This Matt Yglesias makes me sick, never mind the other guy.

    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AaronInMVD, @Olorin

    Matt Yglesias was one of the stooges originally pushing cancel culture and other forms of left-revisionism back when he was at Slate. He, like so many others, did it to himself. The problem with the left’s dialectic style of argument is that it always ends up calling for once friendly blood and the “old guard” finds itself expendable.

    From a pure pattern-matching and game theoretical perspective it ought to make no sense to be a left-stooge, especially on the cultural front. At least for anyone with aspirations to relevancy beyond the age of 40. 2010’s left radicals are 2020’s deplorable targets for cancellation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AaronInMVD


    From a pure pattern-matching and game theoretical perspective it ought to make no sense to be a left-stooge
     
    What is a “left-stooge”?
  65. @Mr. Blank
    So just to be clear: The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct? I mean they more or less gave up on it ages ago, but they were cagey about it: "I support free speech, EXCEPT..."

    But now they're just against it, full stop. Right? I mean, I don't know any other way to read this. I don't know of any honest construction of their words now that doesn't amount to "we no longer believe in free speech; we are formally dispensing with this as a principle worth defending."

    I get that they don't want to say it in precisely those words. But they really aren't leaving much wiggle room, if one chooses to press the point.

    I presume they're doing this now because they believe Trump is toast, and they don't ever expect to lose another presidential election, and don't think it's too long until they can lock Republicans out of the House and Senate.

    Replies: @bomag, @John Achterhof, @David

    You’re right: Klein doesn’t explicitly say he’s against free speech, he just says those that take up this mantle stand to gain power. Apparently he finds worrisome the human interest in gaining power, and that power may be gained in supporting the still-popular right (and culture) of free speech. Of course, this same worry may also apply to other popular causes: there’s *a lot* of power to be had in taking up the mantle of climate change or non-intervention in foreign policy or socialized health care…Klein doesn’t say it but one may gather he believes that robust free speech in the public arena – which in forming opinion functions as mediation of political power – should be limited, such as through the current manner of Woke-mob intimidation. Sure, free speech in right and in public spirit has worked pretty well in the West over the past few hundred years, both practically in its liberalizing effect and morally in honoring human dignity, but maybe Klein has in mind some refinement on this venerable institution, some manner of ensuring that society doesn’t stray too far from what enlightened minds may better discern as its proper course. He might share with us what form of power dynamic he favors for sheltering putative democracy in this concern – whether a plutocracy, aristocracy of donor-funded charters of benevolent intellectuals, whatever. Given the current state of affairs with Ilhan Omar now voicing a growing populist demand to dismantle the whole oppressive (capitalistic) system the arguement might win some favor, at the outset at least, that democracy ought not be allowed to be a collective immiseration pact. But then anyone given to inflated worry over the effect of robust free speech on the demos and power might not be keen to open discussion of how power over human affairs is best managed over time.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @John Achterhof


    Klein doesn’t explicitly say he’s against free speech, he just says those that take up this mantle stand to gain power.
     
    Tell him about Giordano Bruno who got burnt at the stake for not keeping his mouth shut, lots of power did he get when he suffered the worst death possible. Look the 1st amendment is dead de facto and these scum on the left the intelligent ones have noticed and don't want to look like the ones who plunged the knife into its always fragile heart. RIP 1st amendment and if Biden wins which looks almost certain this precious site will face huge troubles to stay online.

    It's coming sooner than you think this 'Democracy with Chinese characteristics.'
  66. Come Aragorn’s day, when Justice be done unto them, everyone who contributed to that twitter dribble should be automatically added to the first dumpsters worth of wood-chipping.

  67. @Chrisnonymous
    Steve,

    As a matter of blogging etiquette, could you please not assume we are all following Twitter? This blog post appears to be about some controversy but it doesn't make any sense to me. I will go Google "Harper's letter" now based on comments above. I hope it is worth my time.

    Replies: @El Dato

    “I must not tweet.
    Tweets are the mind-killer.
    Tweets are the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my screen.
    I will permit the OK button to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its dark pattern.
    Where the tweets have gone there will be nothing. Only Jake will remain. That little shit.”

    • Replies: @anon
    @El Dato

    Perfect.

  68. @Mr. Blank
    So just to be clear: The left, or at least a large part of the left, has given up on free speech altogether. Is that correct? I mean they more or less gave up on it ages ago, but they were cagey about it: "I support free speech, EXCEPT..."

    But now they're just against it, full stop. Right? I mean, I don't know any other way to read this. I don't know of any honest construction of their words now that doesn't amount to "we no longer believe in free speech; we are formally dispensing with this as a principle worth defending."

    I get that they don't want to say it in precisely those words. But they really aren't leaving much wiggle room, if one chooses to press the point.

    I presume they're doing this now because they believe Trump is toast, and they don't ever expect to lose another presidential election, and don't think it's too long until they can lock Republicans out of the House and Senate.

    Replies: @bomag, @John Achterhof, @David

    A Louisiana public school teacher was just fired because her husband painted, “Blue-n-white lives matter, too,” and “We all matter,” on his fence. The school described those phrases as, “deeply disturbing and inexcusable racist speech,” to which “the Black Lives Matter movement protesting racism and police brutality take offense.”

    So no free speech.

    https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_1fed8d14-c09f-11ea-9cf3-23c1b75009a0.html

    • Replies: @anon
    @David

    This happened in Metairie, a white suburb outside New Orleans. I lived there in the early 80's. My boss at the time, a former bar owner, was an acquaintance of Carlos Marcello, the NO mob boss. There were no woke whites in Metairie then, but there are now.
    The teacher was fired from a private school, Kehoe-France, that looks to be a typical upper class white college prep academy like you find in all the big cities now.
    When I lived there Metairie was blue-collar, working class. No professionals lived there. It must have gentrified.

  69. vhrm says:
    @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    This is conceited arrogance. If whites are going to survive this century they need to drop this obsession with 'objectivity' and start defending their interests, like all other groups. In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people. Period. End of discussion.

    Replies: @vhrm, @J.Ross

    In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people.

    idk… belief in an objective reality and acting in accordance with that belief is perhaps the biggest advancement of the modern, especially Western, world and it is very useful.

    There’s no need to chuck it out. If you want to save white people:
    – encourage them to have kids (especially the smart ones)
    – fight for cutting all aid other than birth control and education of girls to Africa and the rest of the developing world.
    – immigration limits into the US especially for the uneducated.

  70. @AnotherDad
    @Hockamaw


    The insufferable Judaism of all of this.
     
    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.

    Neither of these "Americans" is a American. They're just guys with US passports. They have no love for America or Americans. Their fondest dreams and desires is how they are going to fix--i.e. wreck--it. The "good guy" in this little pissing match openly calls for America to be invaded by an additional 670 million people. Most places and peoples would be able to correctly identify that as treason and would just kick him out or string him up.

    To both these guys: There's no need for this. Israel exists now. You have a nation for your people, there's absolutely no need for you to work to trash mine. Just make aliyah. But even the tiniest bit of class--much less gratitude to the people who allowed your ancestors in--is too much. Some people just have no class.

    Replies: @Dissident

    [Hockamaw] The insufferable Judaism of all of this.

    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.

    Parasites perhaps but like most Jews since the effects of the haskalah took hold, neither of the individuals-in-question is representative, much less exemplary, of Judaism. (And to the extent that either may be familiar with the Talmud at all, I doubt it is beyond a fairly superficial level.)

    Authentically expounded in the Talmud and other canonical texts and traditions, Judaism teaches that Jews are in a divinely decreed exile that we will only be delivered from upon the arrival of the promised Messiah. Until that time, which we yearn and pray for daily, we are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens/subjects of our host nations/lands. We are specifically enjoined to show due respect and gratitude to the peoples we live among and not to be subversive or any more provocative or confrontational than might be absolutely necessary in order to ensure our freedom to practice the principles of our faith.

    Said faith emphatically does not condone, much less require us to promote immigration or meddle into foreign policy. (And we are certainly forbidden from promoting sexual degeneracy or hostility toward the majority population.) Arrogant, grandiose, ignorant statements and behavior from those who represent perversions of Judaism notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Dissident

    "Judaism teaches that Jews are in a divinely decreed exile that we will only be delivered from upon the arrival of the promised Messiah"

    You missed that boat nearly 2,000 years ago. Jesus was the Messiah.

  71. @BB753
    OT, but Google's first prompt for Steve Sailer (no doubt sponsored) was "net worth"
    Here's what the first site had to say about Steve Sailer : "On TRENDCELEBSNOW.COM, Steve Sailer is one of the successful Journalist. Steve has ranked on the list of those famous people who were born on December 20, 1958. Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States." (sic)

    LOL!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Got dammit, I just sent him some money an hour ago! He never said he was one of the successful and Richest Journalist. I need to get me another piece of iCrap. It’s ridiculous how much news I’m missing, and I can’t bet people about any trivia anymore either… been losing my ass like that.

    • LOL: BB753
  72. @ThreeCranes
    All this is based on what we mean when we use the phrase "open society".

    For some (Soros and friends), "open" means freedom to dissent from what they regard as prevailing norms. It means sticking a thumb in the eye of the establishment.

    For others, "open" means throwing the debate open to all comers. All are welcome as long as they obey the rules of debate. The rules of debate that prevail in the Western European Mind require that the presenter organize their thoughts and speech in such a manner that they don't violate certain basic rules of logic and coherent thinking and that they be able to back up their argument with examples and more general math-like reasoning.

    For the latter group, open means "anything goes" as long as it conforms to standard modes of critical thinking. There is nothing forbidden. There are no sacred cows. From this open, rigorous debate, the Truth will emerge.

    The first group rejects this argument out of hand. They claim that the norms of logic and such constrain their right to think "creatively", "out of the box", to "dream about what could be", to think "aspirationally". They don't want debate. They don't want to have to justify themselves. The worth of that to which they aspire is self evident. It needs no justification. The so-called "rules of argumentation" are just a snare, a delaying tactic, a way to avoid reform. To go down that path is to give the home-field advantage to the White Male.

    The two differ on the very rules of talking with one another. There is simply no common ground here, which is why they always talk past one another.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    Open in the Karl Popper/George Soros sense means open to Jewish penetration and domination.

  73. @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    This is conceited arrogance. If whites are going to survive this century they need to drop this obsession with 'objectivity' and start defending their interests, like all other groups. In human affairs there is no such thing as objective truth. A thing is true or false depending on whether it advantages or harms your people. Period. End of discussion.

    Replies: @vhrm, @J.Ross

    Ah, I see you are an initiated man. I’ll tell you what. I’ve got this piece of string which repulses nonwhites, but I need your bank account number to send it to you. The product is absolutely guaranteed.

  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    What a f__king coward. Go out swinging at least. Hell, you're one of the co-founders. Can't you take the whole thing out? Play hardball. This Matt Yglesias makes me sick, never mind the other guy.

    And take that stupid mask off your face for your picture, you cowardly retard!

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @AaronInMVD, @Olorin

    Not to mention, as Aaron notes, that Yglesias was one of the midwives of the entire “cancel culture” phenomenon himself.

    The puling cowardice and nattering weakness of our academic and media class is on full display here. It’s been a good 15 years since I decided that not one of them is worth an iota of my attention. They are a bunch of bickering children. Except children sometimes grow up.

  75. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I tried to follow the pertinent tit-for-tat Twitter threads:

    Klein, Yglesias, Mounk, Blum …

    “I don’t know who’s Jewing who anymore” .jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Olorin

    I’ve related here in the past the former business partner who opened my eyes to the dynamics in the jewish family. (He was the guy who suffered a breakdown at a point of massive success, clawed his way back out, and had plenty to say on the topic of families like his being their own worst enemy, driving their offspring via trauma-based child-rearing into fear of the world, paranoia, and, in some cases, enhancement of schizophrenic tendencies.)

    I can’t help seeing in these twittering teapot-tempests a bunch of little prince-siblings who are fighting for mommy’s conditionally granted what-passes-for-love.

    But who’s mommy? Or is it just so habitual, there is no other way they can behave by now?

    In any event, passing these midwits off as our intelligentsia is the second biggest lie extant, next to COVIDism. They chatter for a living, they have never done anything productive, never built anything, have no skills but chattering…

    …and for that reason they should be studiously disregarded.

  76. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronInMVD
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Matt Yglesias was one of the stooges originally pushing cancel culture and other forms of left-revisionism back when he was at Slate. He, like so many others, did it to himself. The problem with the left's dialectic style of argument is that it always ends up calling for once friendly blood and the "old guard" finds itself expendable.

    From a pure pattern-matching and game theoretical perspective it ought to make no sense to be a left-stooge, especially on the cultural front. At least for anyone with aspirations to relevancy beyond the age of 40. 2010's left radicals are 2020's deplorable targets for cancellation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    From a pure pattern-matching and game theoretical perspective it ought to make no sense to be a left-stooge

    What is a “left-stooge”?

  77. Zack Beauchamp Retweeted:

    Matt Yglesias Retweeted:

  78. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @David
    @Mr. Blank

    A Louisiana public school teacher was just fired because her husband painted, “Blue-n-white lives matter, too,” and “We all matter,” on his fence. The school described those phrases as, "deeply disturbing and inexcusable racist speech," to which "the Black Lives Matter movement protesting racism and police brutality take offense."

    So no free speech.

    https://www.nola.com/news/crime_police/article_1fed8d14-c09f-11ea-9cf3-23c1b75009a0.html

    Replies: @anon

    This happened in Metairie, a white suburb outside New Orleans. I lived there in the early 80’s. My boss at the time, a former bar owner, was an acquaintance of Carlos Marcello, the NO mob boss. There were no woke whites in Metairie then, but there are now.
    The teacher was fired from a private school, Kehoe-France, that looks to be a typical upper class white college prep academy like you find in all the big cities now.
    When I lived there Metairie was blue-collar, working class. No professionals lived there. It must have gentrified.


  79. [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/carolineframke/status/1281218961510711297
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1281224333738852354

    Replies: @vhrm, @MEH 0910

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910


    The only way I can avoid it is to leave the internet entirely. I can't sleep.
     
    Well do it, Emily! You can't leave the internet when you're still twittering. Man, I can remember when my whole family, in fact, our whole town, went without the internet for weeks, months, sometimes years!
  80. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281154500741353472

    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281155155786780672
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281156269743595520
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281157082780061696
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281158533669482496
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281159493653389312
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281160144689041411

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @MEH 0910

    dude, 4 straight comments of nothing but quoted tweets? what is all this stuff? who are these people? what are they commenting on? why/how are their statements relevant?

    Help us out with some context and commentary here...

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1281382863443767301

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  81. @El Dato
    @Chrisnonymous

    "I must not tweet.
    Tweets are the mind-killer.
    Tweets are the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my screen.
    I will permit the OK button to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its dark pattern.
    Where the tweets have gone there will be nothing. Only Jake will remain. That little shit."

    Replies: @anon

    Perfect.

  82. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281154500741353472

    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281155155786780672
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281156269743595520
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281157082780061696
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281158533669482496
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281159493653389312
    https://twitter.com/emilyvdw/status/1281160144689041411

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman

    The only way I can avoid it is to leave the internet entirely. I can’t sleep.

    Well do it, Emily! You can’t leave the internet when you’re still twittering. Man, I can remember when my whole family, in fact, our whole town, went without the internet for weeks, months, sometimes years!

  83. A minority address issues that are contentious and at times offensive. These conversations, about race and genetic or biological differences between the sexes, have rightfully drawn criticism from outsiders. Rationalists usually point out that these debates represent a tiny fraction of the community’s total activity, and that they are overrepresented in the comments section of S.C.C. by a small but loud and persistent cohort—one that includes, for example, Steve Sailer, a peddler of “scientific racism.”

  84. @Anonymous
    Marxist revolutionaries arguing about the correct rate of change for dismantling freedom. Some want to keep up appearances more than others.

    I resent the too little too late posing here. Like they didn't trade Voltaire in for Robespierre a long tine ago.

    THERE ARE ALMOST NO VOLTAIREISTS ON THE MODERN LEFT. The guy at the Intercept and a few others.

    As a thought experiment just imagine what "lefties" are saying to each other in private. It's eliminationist rhetoric in public so there's that.

    Replies: @SFG, @Svigor

  85. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/carolineframke/status/1281218961510711297
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1281224333738852354

    Replies: @vhrm, @MEH 0910

    dude, 4 straight comments of nothing but quoted tweets? what is all this stuff? who are these people? what are they commenting on? why/how are their statements relevant?

    Help us out with some context and commentary here…

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @vhrm

    https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--fIShjeyY--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_fit,g_north_west,h_954,w_954/co_ffffff,e_outline:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_bbbbbb,e_outline:3:1000/c_mpad,g_center,h_1260,w_1260/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1494269198/production/designs/1584107_1.jpg

    Replies: @vhrm

  86. @Thea
    @syonredux

    If you can get fired for expressing unpopular beliefs that aren’t threats, then you do not have free speech.

    Replies: @Svigor

    A goyish judicial system would probably rule that tax breaks or subsidies of any kind for free-speech-supressing institutions or business are unconstitutional. One tax law later (i.e., tax breaks for free-speech-upholding institutions and businesses) and all of the money-grubbers would have fallen into line.

    But we can’t have nice things because…

  87. @BB753
    OT, but Google's first prompt for Steve Sailer (no doubt sponsored) was "net worth"
    Here's what the first site had to say about Steve Sailer : "On TRENDCELEBSNOW.COM, Steve Sailer is one of the successful Journalist. Steve has ranked on the list of those famous people who were born on December 20, 1958. Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States." (sic)

    LOL!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States.

    He will be when he gets my check! Watch your mailbox, Steve! /s

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jim Don Bob

    This other page, though unsure about Steve's dating status or gender, gives us a glimpse of his/her estimated net worth :

    "Steve Sailer's net worth has been growing significantly in 2019-20. So, how much is Steve Sailer worth? What is Steve's salary per year and how rich is Steve Sailer at the age of 61 years old? We have estimated Steve Sailer's net worth, Salary, money, income, and assets for 2019-20 below:

    According to TrendCelebsNow.com Steve Sailer is who has a net worth of $100,000 – $1M at the age of 61 years old. Steve Sailer’s income source is mostly from being a successful . He/She is from United States."

    https://birthdaytrendsnow.com/steve-sailer/

    We do know that his favorite flower is the narcissus, his color purple and his motto is
    "I seek". LOL!

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  88. @vhrm
    @MEH 0910

    dude, 4 straight comments of nothing but quoted tweets? what is all this stuff? who are these people? what are they commenting on? why/how are their statements relevant?

    Help us out with some context and commentary here...

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @MEH 0910

    <.< thanks.
    TIL that
    a) google translate handles Latin.
    b) apparently not super well

    The egg is a nice touch.

  89. Latest Matthew Yglesias piece at Vox:

    The centerpiece is simple. Take America’s biggest rental assistance program — Section 8 housing vouchers — and make it available to every family who qualifies.

  90. @MEH 0910
    @vhrm

    https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--fIShjeyY--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_fit,g_north_west,h_954,w_954/co_ffffff,e_outline:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:48/co_ffffff,e_outline:inner_fill:48/co_bbbbbb,e_outline:3:1000/c_mpad,g_center,h_1260,w_1260/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1494269198/production/designs/1584107_1.jpg

    Replies: @vhrm

    <.< thanks.
    TIL that
    a) google translate handles Latin.
    b) apparently not super well

    The egg is a nice touch.

  91. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/carolineframke/status/1281218961510711297
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1281224333738852354

    Replies: @vhrm, @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910


    "Emily (formerly Todd)"
     
    Aaah, geeeze, Edith!

    Replies: @BB753

  92. @Clifford Brown
    @TGGP

    Team Yglesias all the way.

    https://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/10/yglesias_lg.jpg

    Which Latino Jewish man is higher on the Progressive Stack? Or is it better to be lower on the Progressive Stack? Son of Brazilian immigrant Klein or grandson of Cuban immigrant Yglesias? Yglesias' grandfather was prominent in the Communist Party (back when it sort of mattered). Yglesias grew up on the Upper West Side when it still had some edge. Klein grew up in ever pleasant Irvine, California, which never really had any edge. Looks like Yglesias wins the progressive stack comparison.

    As painful as it sounds, we must stand by Brother Yglesias in his battle with Boss Klein. Yglesias' autistic commitment to truth (even when he is completely wrong) is far preferable to the Klein's more socially aware commitment to power.

    This is not to let Yglesias of the hook. Yglesias posted on Twitter about his cozy cabin up in Maine which he loves dearly. Purchased by his Communist Party grandfather, Yglesias is obsessed with pointing out that it is indeed an actual cabin, and not some gauche sprawling summer estate.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1280826272852201472

    He is not wrong, the cabin looks quite charming and cozy, but one has to wonder what will the status of excluded, charming, cozy, wooded Maine cabins be if Yglesias achieves his main autistic policy objective of One Billion Americans.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/matthew-yglesias/one-billion-americans/

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Replies: @anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Kratoklastes, @bomag

    Seems like there might be a contradiction.

    Touché.

  93. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1281382863443767301

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    “Emily (formerly Todd)”

    Aaah, geeeze, Edith!

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's the constant misgendering that broke her/him/whatever!

  94. @Kratoklastes
    @Barnard


    It adds nothing of value to the public discourse.
     
    Sure it does. It adds to the evidence that a very large number of people are either congenital idiots, or are on a cocktail of prescription psychotropics. If nothing else, it gives everyone a hint about who to avoid.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    If nothing else, it gives everyone a hint about who to avoid.

    Most edifying is the way the media so heavily relies on twit comments as “news” content.

  95. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not sure that Ezra Klein is anyone’s boss at this point. Since Vox is losing money, being one of the founders is not a power position. I think Jim Bankoff is the boss via Melissa Bell, the publisher. Melissa is the less well-known founder, who came with Klein from the WaPo. Klein is “editor-at-large,” which means no direct reports, I think. Yglesias came from Slate I believe, right at the beginning, but not a founder in the business sense.

  96. @Steve Sailer
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Oh, yeah ...

    Gladwell tried to get Pinker canceled for citing me on NFL quarterback statistics.

    Cathy Young tried to get me canceled for noticing that Sabrina Rubin Erdely's "A Rape on Campus" had something to do with her anti-Gentilism.

    Replies: @BB753

    Don’t late transitioners mellow out as their testosterone levels drop and turn slowly into old trans-ladies?

  97. @Dissident
    @AnotherDad



    [Hockamaw] The insufferable Judaism of all of this.
     
    The Talmudic prattling of parasites.
     
    Parasites perhaps but like most Jews since the effects of the haskalah took hold, neither of the individuals-in-question is representative, much less exemplary, of Judaism. (And to the extent that either may be familiar with the Talmud at all, I doubt it is beyond a fairly superficial level.)

    Authentically expounded in the Talmud and other canonical texts and traditions, Judaism teaches that Jews are in a divinely decreed exile that we will only be delivered from upon the arrival of the promised Messiah. Until that time, which we yearn and pray for daily, we are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens/subjects of our host nations/lands. We are specifically enjoined to show due respect and gratitude to the peoples we live among and not to be subversive or any more provocative or confrontational than might be absolutely necessary in order to ensure our freedom to practice the principles of our faith.

    Said faith emphatically does not condone, much less require us to promote immigration or meddle into foreign policy. (And we are certainly forbidden from promoting sexual degeneracy or hostility toward the majority population.) Arrogant, grandiose, ignorant statements and behavior from those who represent perversions of Judaism notwithstanding.

    Replies: @BB753

    “Judaism teaches that Jews are in a divinely decreed exile that we will only be delivered from upon the arrival of the promised Messiah”

    You missed that boat nearly 2,000 years ago. Jesus was the Messiah.

  98. @Jim Don Bob
    @BB753


    Steve Sailer is one of the Richest Journalist who was born in United States.
     
    He will be when he gets my check! Watch your mailbox, Steve! /s

    Replies: @BB753

    This other page, though unsure about Steve’s dating status or gender, gives us a glimpse of his/her estimated net worth :

    “Steve Sailer’s net worth has been growing significantly in 2019-20. So, how much is Steve Sailer worth? What is Steve’s salary per year and how rich is Steve Sailer at the age of 61 years old? We have estimated Steve Sailer’s net worth, Salary, money, income, and assets for 2019-20 below:

    According to TrendCelebsNow.com Steve Sailer is who has a net worth of $100,000 – $1M at the age of 61 years old. Steve Sailer’s income source is mostly from being a successful . He/She is from United States.”

    https://birthdaytrendsnow.com/steve-sailer/

    We do know that his favorite flower is the narcissus, his color purple and his motto is
    “I seek”. LOL!

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @BB753


    According to TrendCelebsNow.com Steve Sailer is ...
     
    Yeah, but we’ll stick with the unequaled purveyors of truth at SPLC when we want to know the real Steve Sailer.
  99. @BB753
    @Jim Don Bob

    This other page, though unsure about Steve's dating status or gender, gives us a glimpse of his/her estimated net worth :

    "Steve Sailer's net worth has been growing significantly in 2019-20. So, how much is Steve Sailer worth? What is Steve's salary per year and how rich is Steve Sailer at the age of 61 years old? We have estimated Steve Sailer's net worth, Salary, money, income, and assets for 2019-20 below:

    According to TrendCelebsNow.com Steve Sailer is who has a net worth of $100,000 – $1M at the age of 61 years old. Steve Sailer’s income source is mostly from being a successful . He/She is from United States."

    https://birthdaytrendsnow.com/steve-sailer/

    We do know that his favorite flower is the narcissus, his color purple and his motto is
    "I seek". LOL!

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    According to TrendCelebsNow.com Steve Sailer is …

    Yeah, but we’ll stick with the unequaled purveyors of truth at SPLC when we want to know the real Steve Sailer.

  100. @John Achterhof
    @Mr. Blank

    You're right: Klein doesn't explicitly say he's against free speech, he just says those that take up this mantle stand to gain power. Apparently he finds worrisome the human interest in gaining power, and that power may be gained in supporting the still-popular right (and culture) of free speech. Of course, this same worry may also apply to other popular causes: there's *a lot* of power to be had in taking up the mantle of climate change or non-intervention in foreign policy or socialized health care...Klein doesn't say it but one may gather he believes that robust free speech in the public arena - which in forming opinion functions as mediation of political power - should be limited, such as through the current manner of Woke-mob intimidation. Sure, free speech in right and in public spirit has worked pretty well in the West over the past few hundred years, both practically in its liberalizing effect and morally in honoring human dignity, but maybe Klein has in mind some refinement on this venerable institution, some manner of ensuring that society doesn't stray too far from what enlightened minds may better discern as its proper course. He might share with us what form of power dynamic he favors for sheltering putative democracy in this concern - whether a plutocracy, aristocracy of donor-funded charters of benevolent intellectuals, whatever. Given the current state of affairs with Ilhan Omar now voicing a growing populist demand to dismantle the whole oppressive (capitalistic) system the arguement might win some favor, at the outset at least, that democracy ought not be allowed to be a collective immiseration pact. But then anyone given to inflated worry over the effect of robust free speech on the demos and power might not be keen to open discussion of how power over human affairs is best managed over time.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    Klein doesn’t explicitly say he’s against free speech, he just says those that take up this mantle stand to gain power.

    Tell him about Giordano Bruno who got burnt at the stake for not keeping his mouth shut, lots of power did he get when he suffered the worst death possible. Look the 1st amendment is dead de facto and these scum on the left the intelligent ones have noticed and don’t want to look like the ones who plunged the knife into its always fragile heart. RIP 1st amendment and if Biden wins which looks almost certain this precious site will face huge troubles to stay online.

    It’s coming sooner than you think this ‘Democracy with Chinese characteristics.’

  101. @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910


    "Emily (formerly Todd)"
     
    Aaah, geeeze, Edith!

    Replies: @BB753

    It’s the constant misgendering that broke her/him/whatever!

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