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Former Washington Post film critic Stephen Hunter has a depiction of “The Narrative” in one of his novels. Now, here’s former New York Times entertainment industry reporter Michael Cieply with some interesting observations on The Narrative at the NYT. From Deadline:

Stunned By Trump, The New York Times Finds Time For Some Soul-Searching
by Michael Cieply
November 10, 2016 12:59pm

It’s been a moment for soul-searching, and to some extent repentance, at the New York Times. In much-discussed remarks to his own media columnist James Rutenberg, executive editor Dean Baquet offered a mea culpa for having missed the Donald Trump surprise, though he spoke less for the paper than for journalists in general. “We’ve got to do a much better job of being on the road, out in the country, talking to different kinds of people than we talk to — especially if you happen to be a New York-based news organization — and remind ourselves that New York is not the real world,” Baquet said.

… “As The Times begins a period of self-reflection, I hope its editors will think hard about the half of America the paper too seldom covers,” wrote Spayd.

She continued: “The red state America campaign coverage that rang the loudest in news coverage grew out of Trump rallies, and it often amplified the voices of the most hateful. One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.

Or it’s intentionally misleading.

But it and pieces like it drowned out the kind of agenda-free, deep narratives that could have taken Times readers deeper into the lives and values of the people who just elected the next president.”

Having left the Times on July 25, after almost 12 years as an editor and correspondent, I missed the main heat of the presidential campaign; so I can’t add a word to those self-assessments of the recent political coverage. But these recent mornings-after leave me with some hard-earned thoughts about the Times’ drift from its moorings in the nation at-large.

For starters, it’s important to accept that the New York Times has always — or at least for many decades — been a far more editor-driven, and self-conscious, publication than many of those with which it competes. Historically, the Los Angeles Times, where I worked twice, for instance, was a reporter-driven, bottom-up newspaper. Most editors wanted to know, every day, before the first morning meeting: “What are you hearing? What have you got?”

It was a shock on arriving at the New York Times in 2004, as the paper’s movie editor, to realize that its editorial dynamic was essentially the reverse. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.” We were occasionally asked to map a narrative for our various beats a year in advance, square the plan with editors, then generate stories that fit the pre-designated line.

Reality usually had a way of intervening. But I knew one senior reporter who would play solitaire on his computer in the mornings, waiting for his editors to come through with marching orders. Once, in the Los Angeles bureau, I listened to a visiting National staff reporter tell a contact, more or less: “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”

The bigger shock came on being told, at least twice, by Times editors who were describing the paper’s daily Page One meeting: “We set the agenda for the country in that room.”

You can see this in agenda-driven stuff like World War T and the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.

 
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  1. sailer wrote;

    These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.

    I more or less agree. But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    • Replies: @SFG
    To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.

    Instead of, you know, reporting the news or something.
    , @Tim Howells
    Good question. You have to look for the common theme. In short - White males are stupid and evil, white people do not exist, whites do not possess or deserve their own countries or societies, they are oppressors - all other groups are oppressed. I would argue that these are the common themes, and that the aim of the war is White genocide.
    , @CK
    The personnel is the political. Look at the who and the why becomes clearer.
    Evil exists, you can find it easily at the NYT and WAPO and the WSJ. It is evil to destroy that which you could never create. The man who slashed the Mona Lisa did not make himself Da Vinci's creative equal. The people attempting to destroy the USA will not make themselves into the equals of Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, if they succeed.
    , @Anonymous
    Historically, international bankers made money by loaning to both sides in wars.

    For an international banker, any trade brings a commission. They don't particularly care who wins, loses or defaults on any transaction. Even advising on ensuing bankruptcy brings in money.

    Always, the point is to loan out money that puts the debtor in lifetime bondage. Government is useful to the degree that it will backstop loans.

    The "purpose of this war" is to get you to work unceasingly while they sit back and reap what you have sown while they sow the seeds of discord to divide you. Ten thousand mercenaries marching through a disorganized countryside.
  2. “Narrative” is just another word for “propaganda.”

    Anon at #1 asked:

    But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    What is the purpose of any war?

    To win something for one’s tribe, or more accurately for its leaders who dispense power.

  3. It’s almost beyond belief that the “journalists” at the Times would consciously adopt this methodology for their reporting. It almost defines confirmation bias.

    No wonder their “reporting” is so corrupt.

    They don’t worry about whether they’re printing the truth — they know it, a year in advance.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Idealism can corrupt.

    Idealism makes one feel good and on the side of the just cause.

    All these reporters grew up under PC worshiping MLK and homos and seeing 'racism' as worst thing in the world(along with 'antisemitism' and 'homophobia'). These bad things are associated with the Right, so the Right is a kind of toxicity. It can never be good. It can only be tolerated in certain doses.

    So, these reporters are so sure of their own goodness and just cause since they never got counter-argument in homes, schools, or media.

    They see history as War between the Good and Bad. Good is 'progress' and Bad is 'Right'.

    So, the Good must win, and whatever aids the Good is good even if it's a little bad. Lying is a little bad but if it helps the Good against the Bad, it is a good, a necessary evil.

    They see journalism not so much as a profession as a mission, crusade, and war. Narrative is war of words and images for the Good.
    In war, even bad things done for your side is overlooked if used to defeat the Bad Side.

    After all, there were American soldiers who did loutish things in WWII whereas some German soldiers fought honorably. But because US was good and Nazi Germany was bad, it would have been justified to hide news of bad American soldiers and good German soldiers.
    Americans were good, Germans were bad, and that was that.

    Same kind of mentality pervades among journalists. Sabrina Rubin Erderly was corrupted by idealism(though likely fueled by subconscious tribal hostility).

    But this can happen to all sides. Paul Craig Roberts is so angry at what America has become that he sometimes goes too far in defending or apologizing for Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and etc actions to fit his own Narrative where the Bad Guys are always Western Finance and War mongers.

    Morality is necessary, but in making people feel justified, they become blinded to their own foulness. We see this among Christians. So convinced they are serving God, they become blind to their own sins. Some even commit morally dubious acts in the name of serving God. If it serves God, then it's okay.

    Narrative is the god in our secular age.
    , @TheJester
    Pravda, I understand, was a Soviet propaganda organ with the policy that it would always say something true (people can fact check you know). There was indeed a political agenda behind what it reported ... but there was always that element of truth. RT follows that tradition.

    I don't understand why the New York Times and Washington Post can't get this essential element of effective propaganda down right. Their narratives based on an "alternative reality" simply do not build credibility.
    , @guest
    It isn't beyond my belief. What do you think the NYT exists for? What are they trying to do? Tell the truth and nothing but? How quaint.

    I'm not particularly cynical, and I can't even wrap my mind around why anyone would think that.
  4. Given Steve’s amazing prescience about the 2016 election, do you think the NYT will get around to putting his telephone number into their Rolodex?

    Nah.

  5. You can see this in agenda-driven stuff like World War T and the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.

    Not only is that true, it’s utterly transparent to anyone with eyes to see. Which of course makes their practices all the more effective as a psyop.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    We can infer The Agenda™ from media output. This applies to all media, not just 'news'.

    The mixed race couples, the doofus white men beloved of advertising. The noble, dignified black people - everywhere. The lack of black criminals depicted in crime drama. The notable lack of non-white gays. The list goes on and on.
  6. One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.

    I read something like this and my reaction is that these “talented reporters” are just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.

    These “talented reporters” don’t seem capable of asking themselves, “What would the product of such an effort be if it were directed against those groups we support? Might it be equally or more damaging?”

    Really, it’s the rank stupidity of it that gets me. The woman writing this isn’t bright enough to see the problem?

    They reason like children.

    Why are our “elites” such idiots?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    They "reason like children" because they are speaking to children. Have you seen the anti-Trump protests/riots? These are self-absorbed children.

    The Right needs to find a way to speak to these children in the form of adults.

    My personal preference of communication with these peter pans would be a "swift kick in the pants" - you know, some R. Lee Ermey time - would do them a "world of good."

    , @Barnard
    The headline is my local paper today is about school children telling the teacher Trump scares them and why does he hate my family. The cultural rot runs very deep, we have raised multiple generations to think nothing is more important than their feelings. This is why they continue to reason like children.

    None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.
    , @Forbes

    just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.
     
    You're assuming they're interested in the truth. This is about people who don't believe in objective truth. The truth is the story they write--the version of the facts they write.

    It's about influence, though it's mainly about power--the power to influence, the power to manipulate the public. Because it's about winning--winning at all costs. The ends justify the means.

    They're Democratic party operatives with by-lines. And it's all in a good cause--their cause. If the truth is a casualty along the way, that's just collateral damage--shit happens.
  7. We’re going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It’ll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump’s attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It’s not going to be a phony crisis either. It’s called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You’ve seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can’t roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama’s benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president’s term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    • Replies: @epebble
    " The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6%"

    But why precipitate the Armageddon prematurely when the inflation rate is near zero?

    Mainly due to imports and labor inflation being probably effectively zero (or negative).
    , @Almost Missouri
    Yes, this is the real threat to a Trump presidency, which I have not seen anyone else bring up.

    The Lords of Money have been keeping the Obama administration alive by preventing the financial implosion that has been trying to happen since 2008. Allowing the collapse finally to occur is a very serious threat to hold over Trump's head.
    , @Perspective
    Interesting that markets have been rising since he was elected, are those in the know getting ready to short stocks when the market plunges?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Even 3% interest on an 18 - 20 trillion dollar debt would cost a minimum of $540 billion in yearly payments.
    , @anonguy

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama’s benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president’s term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.
     
    Trump didn't make it a huge point in the broad campaign, just wasn't a topic that was going to sticky.

    However, he repeatedly referenced the imbalances in finances that governments/markets, the potential catastrophe in rally speeches all along.

    It was just too arcane for Joe Voter or even Joe Elite.

    My impression is that he is acutely aware, he is a businessman after all, a very red-pilled one, and is going into this with eyes that have been wide open for a very long time.

    It will be the luck of the Trump, the media will make a big thing about how the sky is falling, then it won't, and Trump will get the credit, subliminally or at least through means other than the now fully discredited Vichy media.

    , @res

    Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.
     
    Gosh, those three have something else in common. I wonder what it is...



    Big electoral vote states that went for Clinton by 15-30%, for those who are wondering.
    , @Opinionator
    Why did they care to benefit Obama?
  8. Good old Valley Village mentioned in a Haaretz article about providing a safe space for Jews sitting Shiva over the election.

    U.S. Synagogues Invite Grieving Jews to Sit Shiva Together After Trump Victory
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.752339

    • Replies: @william munny
    Interesting split in Jewish voters, as usual. Looks like some of them still didn't get the message. The practicing Jews, especially the Orthodox, overwhelmingly voted Trump. In Lakewood (NJ) and Orthodox areas of Brooklyn, Trump dominated. Lakewood is the fastest growing city in NJ because of high Orthodox birth rates and migration from overcrowded and expensive Brooklyn. The city (about 100,000 now, projected to be 250,000, the second largest city in NJ, within 20 years) voted @75% for Trump, the second highest percentage vote for Trump in NJ. And the city has a large number of blacks and Mexicans. I couldn't find precise numbers for Brooklyn, but it looks like Borough Park was @70% Trump. The Orthodox rabbis endorsed Trump explicitly because of the Supreme Court and concerns about Hillary's ties to Arabs. More likely is that it just fits more closely with their natural conservative leanings. Cell phone video of Ivanka's visit to the grave of a respected Hasidic leader days before the election went viral in Brooklyn and Lakewood. The secular Jews are "self genociding" themselves through intermarriage and low birth rates, while the Orthodox have the most robust birthrates in the world, with 8-9 children not uncommon, and highly encouraged. An Orthodox rabbit friend routinely cites the number of children a person has when he talks about them ("Yankel is a good man, right? You know he has 7 children, and isn't done, if God wills it!"). I find Jewish people be the most interesting people in the world.
  9. @Anon
    sailer wrote;

    These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.
     
    I more or less agree. But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.

    Instead of, you know, reporting the news or something.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    I think a paraphrase of Genghis Khan's famous words might capture the goal of the NYT better: "To drive the deplorable enemies of PC and progressives before us. To destroy them, to rape their women. to seize all their possessions, to devastate all they hold dear, to rule absolutely and ruthlessly over all without even the possibility of dissent.
    , @Anon
    That is far too kind. They'd like to neuter and control American policy. With us out of the way, what can stop globalist depradations?
  10. Who are the low information voters? They’re middle-aged white working class males right? No, the low information voter is young, minority, female, Democrat, uneducated (or poorly educated) and low income, often living in urban squalor.

    Get it right NYT.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The lowest information voters are those who uncritically absorb propaganda like NPR, the Times, and so on. Better to know little than to 'know' media-driven falsehoods. These venues flatter the common leftist's intelligence, giving her further confirmation bias that other media opinions are true and correct.
  11. To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.

    Well, that’s the internal marketing.

    It’s not cui actually bonos.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Well, that’s the internal marketing.

    It’s not cui actually bonos.
     
    exactly...the corporate media is funded by...corporations, after all...
  12. After cheerled US into Iraq War over WMD, you’d think there would have been soul-searching enough. ‘

    Nope.

    Reporters and editors may create their own ‘narrative’, but it is also handed down from the boss upstairs.

    Now… who are these bosses?

    What are they about?

    That, no one will say.

    • Replies: @for-the-record

    Now… who are these bosses?

    What are they about?

     

    Orwell's response:

    'Thoughtcrime is a dreadful thing, old man,' he said sententiously. 'It's insidious. It can get hold of you without your even knowing it.
     
  13. It’s almost like every criticism made of the media since the 1960s is being proven true.

  14. @SFG
    To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.

    Instead of, you know, reporting the news or something.

    I think a paraphrase of Genghis Khan’s famous words might capture the goal of the NYT better: “To drive the deplorable enemies of PC and progressives before us. To destroy them, to rape their women. to seize all their possessions, to devastate all they hold dear, to rule absolutely and ruthlessly over all without even the possibility of dissent.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    It does, I hope people here don't for this bull**** mea culpa, their end goal will remain the same.

    Somewhat OT but has anyone seen the video of the "Chicago youths" beating up and carjacking a middle aged "Chicago Man" while a third youth filmed and yelled "he voted Trump...don't vote Trump".

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/10/trump-supporter-beat-up-chicago-fight/

    It's only been picked up by fringey rightwing outlets like infowars and Breitbart and some more tabloidy outlets like TMZ and the NYPost. Not a single MSM outlet has reported on it in their obligatory stories about a tidal wave of racist hatecrimes and vandalism from Drumpfkins.

    MSM Delenda Est is the major takeaway from this election.

  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    It's almost beyond belief that the "journalists" at the Times would consciously adopt this methodology for their reporting. It almost defines confirmation bias.

    No wonder their "reporting" is so corrupt.

    They don't worry about whether they're printing the truth -- they know it, a year in advance.

    Idealism can corrupt.

    Idealism makes one feel good and on the side of the just cause.

    All these reporters grew up under PC worshiping MLK and homos and seeing ‘racism’ as worst thing in the world(along with ‘antisemitism’ and ‘homophobia’). These bad things are associated with the Right, so the Right is a kind of toxicity. It can never be good. It can only be tolerated in certain doses.

    So, these reporters are so sure of their own goodness and just cause since they never got counter-argument in homes, schools, or media.

    They see history as War between the Good and Bad. Good is ‘progress’ and Bad is ‘Right’.

    So, the Good must win, and whatever aids the Good is good even if it’s a little bad. Lying is a little bad but if it helps the Good against the Bad, it is a good, a necessary evil.

    They see journalism not so much as a profession as a mission, crusade, and war. Narrative is war of words and images for the Good.
    In war, even bad things done for your side is overlooked if used to defeat the Bad Side.

    After all, there were American soldiers who did loutish things in WWII whereas some German soldiers fought honorably. But because US was good and Nazi Germany was bad, it would have been justified to hide news of bad American soldiers and good German soldiers.
    Americans were good, Germans were bad, and that was that.

    Same kind of mentality pervades among journalists. Sabrina Rubin Erderly was corrupted by idealism(though likely fueled by subconscious tribal hostility).

    But this can happen to all sides. Paul Craig Roberts is so angry at what America has become that he sometimes goes too far in defending or apologizing for Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and etc actions to fit his own Narrative where the Bad Guys are always Western Finance and War mongers.

    Morality is necessary, but in making people feel justified, they become blinded to their own foulness. We see this among Christians. So convinced they are serving God, they become blind to their own sins. Some even commit morally dubious acts in the name of serving God. If it serves God, then it’s okay.

    Narrative is the god in our secular age.

    • Replies: @Thea
    Yes, it is also so easy to fall victim to confirmation bias & the echo chamber on the alt right .

    Going forward we need to be careful not to fall into this trap. I credit it for both parties' establishment collapsing this year .

  16. The NY Times is not a newspaper. They are Pravda, circa 1939, nothing but a very crude propaganda rag. So because they are not a newspaper, they have no “reporters”. You should not refer to them as such.

    • Replies: @utu
    If "Pravda, circa 1939" was as good as NY Times, NKVD would not have been as busy as they were. Good and sophisticate propaganda actually saves lives. When you propaganda sucks you must terrorize people.
  17. “We set the agenda for the country in that room.”

    Oh, BS. All they set the agenda for is the liberal elite echo chamber. The NYTimes says that the narrative is about a “rape crisis on campus” and there are follow up articles in Rolling Stone, on the CBS Evening News, etc. Now once upon a time, that was pretty much the whole show, but nowadays people are getting their news from diverse sources. More and more people are aware that media are no longer giving us “the news” but are giving us “the narrative” instead and this has destroyed their brand . Newsweek is gone, RS is on the way out, NYT profits are way down, maybe 5 people under age 39 still watch the CBS evening news.

    If they really set the agenda then Hillary would be the President elect today.

    • Agree: celt darnell
  18. >>By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.”

    What a damning indictment.

  19. ‘Cause it’s been fun:

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Also, wanted to add: as a nine-year-old, shows like The Prisoner, The Saint, ISpy, Mission Impossible, U.N.C.L.E., Mod Squad, the Avengers. I honestly thought my parents (we were living in view of Manhattan Island) had brought me to an apocalyptic future, for some reason. We had left a peaceful seaside small town of 2000 people overseas, and here I was, in Brooklyn. And, here I am at iSteve. My sons are watching all the shows of the Prisoner and the Avengers, now. The shows of the 60's were really, really, really, really good, and very, very, creepy. I am shocked that Hollywood has not noticed this. The "narrative" of the 60's is just lost, fracking lost.
  20. @Anon
    Idealism can corrupt.

    Idealism makes one feel good and on the side of the just cause.

    All these reporters grew up under PC worshiping MLK and homos and seeing 'racism' as worst thing in the world(along with 'antisemitism' and 'homophobia'). These bad things are associated with the Right, so the Right is a kind of toxicity. It can never be good. It can only be tolerated in certain doses.

    So, these reporters are so sure of their own goodness and just cause since they never got counter-argument in homes, schools, or media.

    They see history as War between the Good and Bad. Good is 'progress' and Bad is 'Right'.

    So, the Good must win, and whatever aids the Good is good even if it's a little bad. Lying is a little bad but if it helps the Good against the Bad, it is a good, a necessary evil.

    They see journalism not so much as a profession as a mission, crusade, and war. Narrative is war of words and images for the Good.
    In war, even bad things done for your side is overlooked if used to defeat the Bad Side.

    After all, there were American soldiers who did loutish things in WWII whereas some German soldiers fought honorably. But because US was good and Nazi Germany was bad, it would have been justified to hide news of bad American soldiers and good German soldiers.
    Americans were good, Germans were bad, and that was that.

    Same kind of mentality pervades among journalists. Sabrina Rubin Erderly was corrupted by idealism(though likely fueled by subconscious tribal hostility).

    But this can happen to all sides. Paul Craig Roberts is so angry at what America has become that he sometimes goes too far in defending or apologizing for Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and etc actions to fit his own Narrative where the Bad Guys are always Western Finance and War mongers.

    Morality is necessary, but in making people feel justified, they become blinded to their own foulness. We see this among Christians. So convinced they are serving God, they become blind to their own sins. Some even commit morally dubious acts in the name of serving God. If it serves God, then it's okay.

    Narrative is the god in our secular age.

    Yes, it is also so easy to fall victim to confirmation bias & the echo chamber on the alt right .

    Going forward we need to be careful not to fall into this trap. I credit it for both parties’ establishment collapsing this year .

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Trump policy adviser Stephen Miller — an immigration hawk and former communications aide to Alabama GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions — is under consideration for a variety roles, including deputy chief of staff for policy, director of speechwriting, director of the domestic policy council and director of communications. Miller often warmed up for Trump during rallies in the Republican primary and embodies Trump’s message of limited immigration, free trade skepticism and distaste for the donor class.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/exclusive-here-is-a-list-of-people-donald-trump-is-considering-for-senior-white-house-jobs/

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Very encouraging sign, let's hope this report proves correct. Stephen Miller would be a very, very good choice. He is very Politically Incorrect, going back to his days at Duke where he waged a very successful war against the forces of political correctness. If he is named to an influential position in the forthcoming administration, it would be a very good sign that Trump means business.
  22. OT:

    Wondering about Trump pulling off the art of the deal on climate change. Trump has said some hokey stuff about science (specifically denying climate change exists and vaccines cause autism hokum) . Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas or would he have wiggle room to pull off other priority areas? If he could package it as part of an economic deal with concessions on business tax rates and trade, would he consider a big new tax on CO2 emissions?

    I personally agree that CO2 should not be regulated by the EPA as it is not really a pollutant in the sense of NOX or mercury, etc., and that is not the most economic way to reduce its consumption by writing big government regulations. But I guess I probably differ from most other Trump voters in that I don’t believe it’s a Chinese scam, either. I’m wondering if Trump really believes that or if Trump just says a lot of things not all of which he knows a ton about, and now that he’s President he’s actually going to learn. And if he learns stuff will he change any of his positions to earn concessions, as in the Art of the Deal.

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    It's a good question. I suspect he didn't mean it was genuinely a Chinese plot, more that China takes advantage of western nations' strong emissions standards while not following or intending to follow any themselves. China watches the west shoot itself in the foot while encouraging our industry to relocate, knowing cheap labor and non-existent enviro regs are major selling points.

    I hope Trump makes US emissions curbs contingent upon similar concessions from China, India, and other developing industrial nations. I say this not only as a nationalist, hoping for an industrial rehoming in America, but as an environmentalist (many near and dear in a sea-level country) who realizes the West can hairshirt all they'd like on climate --ithout China and the new industrial powerhouses, climate agreements are meaningless and only hobble the West.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Concern troll much? I read your comments:

    I’m feeling depressed that Trump is probably about to lose but even more depressed that it’s a rearguard holding action that will be ultimately futile,

    Would love to be wrong and have his supporters be systematically underpolled and he wins going away with all of the above but I don’t think it happens without another November surprise.

    The standard of living is going to go down for all but the most elite of the elite.

     

    Your quotes show that you are a sapper. Who are you working for?
    , @dfordoom

    Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas
     
    Climate change scepticism is hardly a fringe idea.
  23. ROTFL.

    Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train.

    Too funny.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train."

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of 'em), can just f**k off, far as I'm concerned. They're dead to me.
  24. The FT’s Courtney Weaver and Demetri Sevastopoulo did some good reporting on Trump voters. E.g.,

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  25. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    I think a paraphrase of Genghis Khan's famous words might capture the goal of the NYT better: "To drive the deplorable enemies of PC and progressives before us. To destroy them, to rape their women. to seize all their possessions, to devastate all they hold dear, to rule absolutely and ruthlessly over all without even the possibility of dissent.

    It does, I hope people here don’t for this bull**** mea culpa, their end goal will remain the same.

    Somewhat OT but has anyone seen the video of the “Chicago youths” beating up and carjacking a middle aged “Chicago Man” while a third youth filmed and yelled “he voted Trump…don’t vote Trump”.

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/10/trump-supporter-beat-up-chicago-fight/

    It’s only been picked up by fringey rightwing outlets like infowars and Breitbart and some more tabloidy outlets like TMZ and the NYPost. Not a single MSM outlet has reported on it in their obligatory stories about a tidal wave of racist hatecrimes and vandalism from Drumpfkins.

    MSM Delenda Est is the major takeaway from this election.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Indeed. This is just a modified limited hang-out for the purpose of carrying on, business as usual.
    , @midtown
    Yeah, that is shocking video that the MSM simply will not touch. I noticed Snopes tried valiantly to spin it as simply a traffic accident that got out of control, despite the obvious language. Meanwhile, I heard NPR say yesterday in ominous tones that after Trump's victory, two Trump supporters attacked a Muslim woman in a hijab. You knew they were Trump supporters because they were wearing MAGA hats! Does that sound the slightest bit believable? Naturally, it turns out to have been a hoax, but I have yet to hear the correction on NPR.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/10/police-reported-hate-crime-against-woman-in-muslim-headscarf-was-a-hoax/
  26. @SFG
    To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.

    Instead of, you know, reporting the news or something.

    That is far too kind. They’d like to neuter and control American policy. With us out of the way, what can stop globalist depradations?

  27. All The News That Fits… The Narrative.

    • Agree: Harold
  28. @Lagertha
    'Cause it's been fun: https://youtu.be/nW-bFGzNMXw

    Also, wanted to add: as a nine-year-old, shows like The Prisoner, The Saint, ISpy, Mission Impossible, U.N.C.L.E., Mod Squad, the Avengers. I honestly thought my parents (we were living in view of Manhattan Island) had brought me to an apocalyptic future, for some reason. We had left a peaceful seaside small town of 2000 people overseas, and here I was, in Brooklyn. And, here I am at iSteve. My sons are watching all the shows of the Prisoner and the Avengers, now. The shows of the 60’s were really, really, really, really good, and very, very, creepy. I am shocked that Hollywood has not noticed this. The “narrative” of the 60’s is just lost, fracking lost.

  29. This is why I appreciate Steve pushing back against the narrative on so many fronts.

    Speaking of which, maybe time for a second look at Hamilton – the story of a Scottish-derived New Yorker committed to establishing American greatness?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lin-Manuel Miranda, finger to the shifting political winds, is currently writing news songs for "Hamilton," including "Protect Our Infant Industries," "Deport Seditious Aliens," and "This Old Scotsman Foresees an America Covered in Golf Courses."
  30. “a Haaretz article about providing a safe space for Jews sitting Shiva over the election”

    And Netanyahu’s message to The Donald: “President Trump, my friend…”

    All this angst is successfully manufactured hysteria via media propaganda.

  31. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/EWErickson

    ROTFL.

    Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train.

    Too funny.

    “Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train.”

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of ’em), can just f**k off, far as I’m concerned. They’re dead to me.

    • Agree: Kylie, Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Add Stuart Stevens to the list.
    , @celt darnell
    Agreed. The Never Trumpers need to be treated as deserters and pariahs. Every last one of them.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I just unsubscribed to NR after many years. I doubt WF Buckley would have been a NeverTrumper.
    , @Boomstick
    Let's not get carried away here. The Nevers need to pay a price, but presidential politics operates on the basis of coalitions. Trump's wasn't so broad that he can afford to be kicking people out of the tent.
  32. @Trelane
    Who are the low information voters? They're middle-aged white working class males right? No, the low information voter is young, minority, female, Democrat, uneducated (or poorly educated) and low income, often living in urban squalor.

    Get it right NYT.

    The lowest information voters are those who uncritically absorb propaganda like NPR, the Times, and so on. Better to know little than to ‘know’ media-driven falsehoods. These venues flatter the common leftist’s intelligence, giving her further confirmation bias that other media opinions are true and correct.

    • Replies: @utu
    "Better to know little than to ‘know’ media-driven falsehoods." - For this exact reasons Bolsheviks hated illiterate peasants because they were impregnable.
    , @Harold
    “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.”—probably not Twain.
  33. @anonymous
    It does, I hope people here don't for this bull**** mea culpa, their end goal will remain the same.

    Somewhat OT but has anyone seen the video of the "Chicago youths" beating up and carjacking a middle aged "Chicago Man" while a third youth filmed and yelled "he voted Trump...don't vote Trump".

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/10/trump-supporter-beat-up-chicago-fight/

    It's only been picked up by fringey rightwing outlets like infowars and Breitbart and some more tabloidy outlets like TMZ and the NYPost. Not a single MSM outlet has reported on it in their obligatory stories about a tidal wave of racist hatecrimes and vandalism from Drumpfkins.

    MSM Delenda Est is the major takeaway from this election.

    Indeed. This is just a modified limited hang-out for the purpose of carrying on, business as usual.

  34. @bgates
    This is why I appreciate Steve pushing back against the narrative on so many fronts.

    Speaking of which, maybe time for a second look at Hamilton - the story of a Scottish-derived New Yorker committed to establishing American greatness?

    Lin-Manuel Miranda, finger to the shifting political winds, is currently writing news songs for “Hamilton,” including “Protect Our Infant Industries,” “Deport Seditious Aliens,” and “This Old Scotsman Foresees an America Covered in Golf Courses.”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Steve,

    That'll be the day!
  35. @Anonymous
    OT:

    Trump policy adviser Stephen Miller — an immigration hawk and former communications aide to Alabama GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions — is under consideration for a variety roles, including deputy chief of staff for policy, director of speechwriting, director of the domestic policy council and director of communications. Miller often warmed up for Trump during rallies in the Republican primary and embodies Trump’s message of limited immigration, free trade skepticism and distaste for the donor class.
     
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/exclusive-here-is-a-list-of-people-donald-trump-is-considering-for-senior-white-house-jobs/

    Very encouraging sign, let’s hope this report proves correct. Stephen Miller would be a very, very good choice. He is very Politically Incorrect, going back to his days at Duke where he waged a very successful war against the forces of political correctness. If he is named to an influential position in the forthcoming administration, it would be a very good sign that Trump means business.

    • Replies: @Anon
    stephen miller is a god....he's not the god, but he is A god.
  36. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    ” The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6%”

    But why precipitate the Armageddon prematurely when the inflation rate is near zero?

    Mainly due to imports and labor inflation being probably effectively zero (or negative).

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Except that the real interest rate (economists' term for the interest rate minus inflation) is not going to be zero, left to itself.

    It's going to reflect something like the people's overall rate of impatience: how much more do we value having something nice today vs a year from now? 1%, 3%, 5% more?

    Look around you: do you see that your fellow citizens are strong in the deferred gratification department? Do they save for a rainy day? Do they think about the long-term implications of their soda-and-potato-chips habit? Are they electing leaders who keep state and city pension plans fully funded?
  37. @415 reasons
    OT:

    Wondering about Trump pulling off the art of the deal on climate change. Trump has said some hokey stuff about science (specifically denying climate change exists and vaccines cause autism hokum) . Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas or would he have wiggle room to pull off other priority areas? If he could package it as part of an economic deal with concessions on business tax rates and trade, would he consider a big new tax on CO2 emissions?

    I personally agree that CO2 should not be regulated by the EPA as it is not really a pollutant in the sense of NOX or mercury, etc., and that is not the most economic way to reduce its consumption by writing big government regulations. But I guess I probably differ from most other Trump voters in that I don't believe it's a Chinese scam, either. I'm wondering if Trump really believes that or if Trump just says a lot of things not all of which he knows a ton about, and now that he's President he's actually going to learn. And if he learns stuff will he change any of his positions to earn concessions, as in the Art of the Deal.

    It’s a good question. I suspect he didn’t mean it was genuinely a Chinese plot, more that China takes advantage of western nations’ strong emissions standards while not following or intending to follow any themselves. China watches the west shoot itself in the foot while encouraging our industry to relocate, knowing cheap labor and non-existent enviro regs are major selling points.

    I hope Trump makes US emissions curbs contingent upon similar concessions from China, India, and other developing industrial nations. I say this not only as a nationalist, hoping for an industrial rehoming in America, but as an environmentalist (many near and dear in a sea-level country) who realizes the West can hairshirt all they’d like on climate –ithout China and the new industrial powerhouses, climate agreements are meaningless and only hobble the West.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    Now that would be the deal of the century: three way deal with Democrats and China where China agrees to a carbon tax at the same time as the U.S. in exchange for a less punitive trade deal, and domestically Trump couples the carbon tax to a massive business tax cut.
  38. I think they need to do more soul-searching. As long as they see Republicans as some distant “other” that lives in a Red State, and who is deeply religious, uneducated, and broke, they won’t understand Trump’s appeal. It doesn’t matter if they hate Republicans or pity Republicans – either way they’re still creating elitist distance.

    What they really need to do is to stop enforcing conformity in their own ranks. There are people who work in the same city and live the same lifestyle, who hold different views. They need to understand why someone who is just like them would vote for Trump.

    Otherwise, all that will happen is that the Narrative will switch from, “Let’s hate or ignore all those horrible Republicans,” to “Let’s pity all those pathetic Republicans. They know not what they do.”

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "I think they need to do more soul-searching."

    Funny guy.

    , @Mr. Anon
    That presupposes that the Times wants to cover national events fairly and accurately. They don't. They are a propaganda organ. Thier job - thier real job - is to tell people what to think and to shape the narrative of events to the advantage of the Democratic party and/or globalist neo-liberal elites.
  39. @Steve Sailer
    Lin-Manuel Miranda, finger to the shifting political winds, is currently writing news songs for "Hamilton," including "Protect Our Infant Industries," "Deport Seditious Aliens," and "This Old Scotsman Foresees an America Covered in Golf Courses."

    Steve,

    That’ll be the day!

  40. @cwhatfuture
    The NY Times is not a newspaper. They are Pravda, circa 1939, nothing but a very crude propaganda rag. So because they are not a newspaper, they have no "reporters". You should not refer to them as such.

    If “Pravda, circa 1939” was as good as NY Times, NKVD would not have been as busy as they were. Good and sophisticate propaganda actually saves lives. When you propaganda sucks you must terrorize people.

    • Agree: anonguy
    • Replies: @cwhatfuture

    Good and sophisticate propaganda actually saves lives. When you propaganda sucks you must terrorize people.
     
    So are you saying we should be grateful that the Left merely engages in psychological warfare instead of actual warfare on the population? I prefer neither. But if you want me to say the NY Times is a sophisticated Pravda, fine. They are a sophisticated Pravda. But they are Pravda.
  41. @415 reasons
    OT:

    Wondering about Trump pulling off the art of the deal on climate change. Trump has said some hokey stuff about science (specifically denying climate change exists and vaccines cause autism hokum) . Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas or would he have wiggle room to pull off other priority areas? If he could package it as part of an economic deal with concessions on business tax rates and trade, would he consider a big new tax on CO2 emissions?

    I personally agree that CO2 should not be regulated by the EPA as it is not really a pollutant in the sense of NOX or mercury, etc., and that is not the most economic way to reduce its consumption by writing big government regulations. But I guess I probably differ from most other Trump voters in that I don't believe it's a Chinese scam, either. I'm wondering if Trump really believes that or if Trump just says a lot of things not all of which he knows a ton about, and now that he's President he's actually going to learn. And if he learns stuff will he change any of his positions to earn concessions, as in the Art of the Deal.

    Concern troll much? I read your comments:

    I’m feeling depressed that Trump is probably about to lose but even more depressed that it’s a rearguard holding action that will be ultimately futile,

    Would love to be wrong and have his supporters be systematically underpolled and he wins going away with all of the above but I don’t think it happens without another November surprise.

    The standard of living is going to go down for all but the most elite of the elite.

    Your quotes show that you are a sapper. Who are you working for?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    The learned elders of Zion.
  42. Dahlia says:

    Steve,
    I’d love to hear from you again about the Democratic shallow bench. I don’t remember when it was, but you wrote at length about it some years ago; I’ve been hearing more about it in the last day, more than I’ve heard about it in all the previous years.

    Among Democratic whites, I’m wondering if the collapse in Jewish achievement that Unz found is also being observed in the political realm: underwhelming talent but still overrepresented? I really don’t know. What’s the story with other whites?
    And finally, their minorities… it just doesn’t look like the Democrats have that much talent in the main.

    The embrace of the thuggish Hillary Clinton (wholesome, genteel exterior hiding a brute) is worrisome, especially after Obama. It just seems they’re heading into a third-world direction.

  43. @Anon
    The lowest information voters are those who uncritically absorb propaganda like NPR, the Times, and so on. Better to know little than to 'know' media-driven falsehoods. These venues flatter the common leftist's intelligence, giving her further confirmation bias that other media opinions are true and correct.

    “Better to know little than to ‘know’ media-driven falsehoods.” – For this exact reasons Bolsheviks hated illiterate peasants because they were impregnable.

  44. @Anon
    sailer wrote;

    These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.
     
    I more or less agree. But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    Good question. You have to look for the common theme. In short – White males are stupid and evil, white people do not exist, whites do not possess or deserve their own countries or societies, they are oppressors – all other groups are oppressed. I would argue that these are the common themes, and that the aim of the war is White genocide.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You can see this in agenda-driven stuff like World War T and the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare."

    Or agenda-driven stuff like HbD, race realism, and White Genocide. Or this impending Civil War between "good whites" and "bad whites".

    "Good question. You have to look for the common theme. In short – White males are stupid and evil, white people do not exist, whites do not possess or deserve their own countries or societies, they are oppressors – all other groups are oppressed. I would argue that these are the common themes, and that the aim of the war is White genocide."

    Those themes are the memes of the radical left.

    Regarding whether whites are being "oppressed" for wanting their own nations, now that's a hoot. Remember, European whites during the Age of Exploration invented "invade the world, invite the world".
  45. A good example of the mindset of the narrative setters. In arguing that Trump supporters are enforcing political correctness themselves by not wanting to be called bigots when they hold “clearly” bigoted views, Beinart says…

    Start with their views about blacks. According to a June poll by Reuters, almost half of Trump supporters said African Americans were more “violent” than whites. Forty percent said they were more “lazy.”

    Sexism correlates too. A study by Carly Wayne, Nicholas Valentino and Marzia Oceno of the University of Michigan found that “hostile sexism”—reflected in support for statements like “Most women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist” and “Many women are actually seeking special favors…under the guise of asking for equality”—predicts support for Trump extremely well

    What if you don’t actually say that black people are, in their inherent nature, more violent. What if you cite a government report showing that in the past n years, blacks have committed more violent crimes per capita than whites by a large margin, is that a bigoted view? Because that seems like repeating a relevant government statistic. What if you point out that they have a lower participation rate in the labor force?

    For the sexism one, what if you point out that when fire departments and the military screen female applicants they use lowered physical standards? Is that a bigoted view?

    This abuse of language and putting hard boundaries on what is considered anacceptable thing to say is the heart of PC. Trump supporters disputing that their views are necessarily bigoted because they don’t conform to the tabula rasa superstitions of progressives is the exact opposite of political correctness.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    Yeah, but it's as Steve Sailer has said, political correctness is a war on noticing things.

    It's a war on empirical observation and honest analysis.

    Not to mention facts...
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Right. There is a big difference between saying X is more Y than Z, and saying X acts more Y than Z. You are stereotyping the group in the former, but criticizing the actions of members of the group in the latter.

    Having said that, I do think blacks are inherently more violent than whites; 200 years of living in the USA hasn't calmed them down much. Too hung up on respect.
  46. @Light Roast
    I think they need to do more soul-searching. As long as they see Republicans as some distant "other" that lives in a Red State, and who is deeply religious, uneducated, and broke, they won't understand Trump's appeal. It doesn't matter if they hate Republicans or pity Republicans - either way they're still creating elitist distance.

    What they really need to do is to stop enforcing conformity in their own ranks. There are people who work in the same city and live the same lifestyle, who hold different views. They need to understand why someone who is just like them would vote for Trump.

    Otherwise, all that will happen is that the Narrative will switch from, "Let's hate or ignore all those horrible Republicans," to "Let's pity all those pathetic Republicans. They know not what they do."

    “I think they need to do more soul-searching.”

    Funny guy.

  47. You can just smell the free speech in the air.

  48. @Antonymous
    It's a good question. I suspect he didn't mean it was genuinely a Chinese plot, more that China takes advantage of western nations' strong emissions standards while not following or intending to follow any themselves. China watches the west shoot itself in the foot while encouraging our industry to relocate, knowing cheap labor and non-existent enviro regs are major selling points.

    I hope Trump makes US emissions curbs contingent upon similar concessions from China, India, and other developing industrial nations. I say this not only as a nationalist, hoping for an industrial rehoming in America, but as an environmentalist (many near and dear in a sea-level country) who realizes the West can hairshirt all they'd like on climate --ithout China and the new industrial powerhouses, climate agreements are meaningless and only hobble the West.

    Now that would be the deal of the century: three way deal with Democrats and China where China agrees to a carbon tax at the same time as the U.S. in exchange for a less punitive trade deal, and domestically Trump couples the carbon tax to a massive business tax cut.

  49. These people sold their integrity for Hillary, and she lost. They thought it was necessary for good, according to their ideology, but their violations of ethical norms were for naught.

    Much guilt among some of the media, methinks.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "These people sold their integrity for Hillary, and she lost."
     
    Yes, but they didn't have much integrity to begin with. Most of the public had already been discounting their views. The difference in this campaign is they openly sold their "integrity". So they became like public prostitutes rather than just private skanks.

    "Much guilt among some of the media, methinks."
     
    Yes. The "guilt" of gambler who realizes he bet his last dollar on a loser. "Self-blame for not being a better grifter" might be more precise.
  50. One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others.

    And to add insult to injury, the incident (whatever it was) may have all been instigated/performed by a plant, a la Scott Foval’s video series.

  51. If the Times wants to see “ugly vitriol”, and flat out violence as well, it would only need to cover the actions of its own beloved anti-Trump rioters. Or “demonstrators” as they are misleadingly called.

    The lefts ability to see its own worst traits only in other people never ceases to amaze.

  52. Trump triumphed because of the internet , Steve and Unz but also hundreds of You Tubers and other web sites . These people exist in an echo chamber they had no clue . You can see it in all the clips on You Tube ; mouths agape everyone of them . The first hint they had was about 3 weeks before the election , that’s when we got the deplorable speech and Hildebeast made noises about the need to censor the more outrageous and extreme truth leaks . Too late . They are so clueless ,but they won’t be for long . They are ravenous for power and they will come back at us drooling and with blood in their eyes . They won’t make the mistake of letting Democracy work again .

  53. “These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.”

    You don’t even (usually) have to lie, you just control which true facts are presented. So the beaten up Trump supporter is ignored, where some loudmouth Trump supporter at a rally gets airtime.

    I don’t know about the US, but on this side of the pond Aleppo has been missing from the news for a month or so, despite ‘Putin sending a carrier to slaughter little children’. Two months back it was all we heard. You can still find what’s happening (Russian AF is cutting the roads and food is running out) but it’s no longer on TV/radio news and in the op-eds.

    BBC are describing the US rioters as ‘campaigners’. Rioting when you don’t like an election result (assuming it’s fair) is a third-world thing. To quote Lee Kuan Yew “do you make the Hispanics Anglo-Saxons in culture or do they make you more Latin American in culture?”.

    • Replies: @res
    One thing I found encouraging is at least one example of calling a riot a riot: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/

    We need to start ridiculing (more) the media describing riots as protests or demonstrations (or campaigns).
  54. @Anon
    After cheerled US into Iraq War over WMD, you'd think there would have been soul-searching enough. '

    Nope.

    Reporters and editors may create their own 'narrative', but it is also handed down from the boss upstairs.

    Now... who are these bosses?

    What are they about?

    That, no one will say.

    Now… who are these bosses?

    What are they about?

    Orwell’s response:

    ‘Thoughtcrime is a dreadful thing, old man,’ he said sententiously. ‘It’s insidious. It can get hold of you without your even knowing it.

  55. @slumber_j

    You can see this in agenda-driven stuff like World War T and the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.
     
    Not only is that true, it's utterly transparent to anyone with eyes to see. Which of course makes their practices all the more effective as a psyop.

    We can infer The Agenda™ from media output. This applies to all media, not just ‘news’.

    The mixed race couples, the doofus white men beloved of advertising. The noble, dignified black people – everywhere. The lack of black criminals depicted in crime drama. The notable lack of non-white gays. The list goes on and on.

  56. These media mea culpas are standing head(line)s whenever their favorite loses.

    As long as they continue to be well-fed nothing will change.

    Btw, how is “the (partisan) media” funded? Are they really funded by advertising? One would think that advertisers are business-persons and would want to “hedge their bets” by advertising with both camps of partisan media.

    • Replies: @Carbon blob
    NYT and WaPo are probably chump change for Slim and Bezos to subsidize.
  57. @Mr. Anon
    "Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train."

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of 'em), can just f**k off, far as I'm concerned. They're dead to me.

    Add Stuart Stevens to the list.

  58. @candid_observer

    One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.
     
    I read something like this and my reaction is that these "talented reporters" are just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.

    These "talented reporters" don't seem capable of asking themselves, "What would the product of such an effort be if it were directed against those groups we support? Might it be equally or more damaging?"

    Really, it's the rank stupidity of it that gets me. The woman writing this isn't bright enough to see the problem?

    They reason like children.

    Why are our "elites" such idiots?

    They “reason like children” because they are speaking to children. Have you seen the anti-Trump protests/riots? These are self-absorbed children.

    The Right needs to find a way to speak to these children in the form of adults.

    My personal preference of communication with these peter pans would be a “swift kick in the pants” – you know, some R. Lee Ermey time – would do them a “world of good.”

  59. Anonymous [AKA "Helvetia will not yield"] says:

    ”Stephen Hunter has a depiction of “The Narrative” in one of his novels.”
    This depiction can be found in Hunter’s ”I, Sniper” (2009). Like many others, I do find Stephen Hunter to be the best living thriller writer. Bar none.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    +10. His Third Bullet is very good.
  60. Or it’s intentionally misleading.

    Framed from a certain perspective. Like the articles published in the aftermath of this election on the secession of California as opposed to the articles published after Obama’s election that dealt with the secession of Texas.

    • Replies: @iffen
    How about the endless brouhaha about whether Trump would concede? What about all the warnings about what sort of violence Trump supporters would be into after the defeat. Will this be revisited in light of the laggardly concession by Clinton? What about the mini-riots and criminal mischief on-going by Clinton supporters? This all might fall into that category known as, "To Cover Trump Even-Handedly Would Help Trump."
  61. @Desiderius

    To bring America into a new era of enlightenment, to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, to make sure the promise of America is shared with everyone, to call America to its highest ideals, to fulfill the promise of the Declaration of Independence, to set the agenda and move the spirit of the American people.
     
    Well, that's the internal marketing.

    It's not cui actually bonos.

    Well, that’s the internal marketing.

    It’s not cui actually bonos.

    exactly…the corporate media is funded by…corporations, after all…

  62. @Dan Hayes
    Very encouraging sign, let's hope this report proves correct. Stephen Miller would be a very, very good choice. He is very Politically Incorrect, going back to his days at Duke where he waged a very successful war against the forces of political correctness. If he is named to an influential position in the forthcoming administration, it would be a very good sign that Trump means business.

    stephen miller is a god….he’s not the god, but he is A god.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  63. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Yes, this is the real threat to a Trump presidency, which I have not seen anyone else bring up.

    The Lords of Money have been keeping the Obama administration alive by preventing the financial implosion that has been trying to happen since 2008. Allowing the collapse finally to occur is a very serious threat to hold over Trump’s head.

    • Replies: @Dr. X

    Yes, this is the real threat to a Trump presidency, which I have not seen anyone else bring up.

    The Lords of Money have been keeping the Obama administration alive by preventing the financial implosion that has been trying to happen since 2008. Allowing the collapse finally to occur is a very serious threat to hold over Trump’s head.
     

    100% in agreement. The Obama administration merely re-inflated the bubble of 2008. Trump even acknowledged this during the debates. The best opportunity the Democrats have for undermining Trump is hoping that the Obama bubble bursts on Trump's watch, and then they can blame Trump for it for the next 50 years, just as they successfully pinned the Depression on Hoover.
  64. When writing about the New York Times, never forget the name, Walter Duranty, the NYT Moscow desk chief in the 1930s, maybe the first “Holocaust denier” (his NYT columns phoo -phooed Stalin’s terror famine that killed 3 to 5 million people in Ukraine. The Holomodor memorial near Union Station in DC, recently erected commemorates the Ukrainian Holoaust. It is really overpowering.) Duranty, by the way got a Pulitzer and his photo still hangs in a gallery at the NYT. How about an apology from the NYT to the Ukrainian people.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2011/10/walter-duranty-joseph-stalin-new-york.html

    and

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/11/nicholas-kristof-walter-duranty-of-21st.htm

  65. @Almost Missouri
    Yes, this is the real threat to a Trump presidency, which I have not seen anyone else bring up.

    The Lords of Money have been keeping the Obama administration alive by preventing the financial implosion that has been trying to happen since 2008. Allowing the collapse finally to occur is a very serious threat to hold over Trump's head.

    Yes, this is the real threat to a Trump presidency, which I have not seen anyone else bring up.

    The Lords of Money have been keeping the Obama administration alive by preventing the financial implosion that has been trying to happen since 2008. Allowing the collapse finally to occur is a very serious threat to hold over Trump’s head.

    100% in agreement. The Obama administration merely re-inflated the bubble of 2008. Trump even acknowledged this during the debates. The best opportunity the Democrats have for undermining Trump is hoping that the Obama bubble bursts on Trump’s watch, and then they can blame Trump for it for the next 50 years, just as they successfully pinned the Depression on Hoover.

  66. @Coemgen
    These media mea culpas are standing head(line)s whenever their favorite loses.

    As long as they continue to be well-fed nothing will change.

    Btw, how is "the (partisan) media" funded? Are they really funded by advertising? One would think that advertisers are business-persons and would want to "hedge their bets" by advertising with both camps of partisan media.

    NYT and WaPo are probably chump change for Slim and Bezos to subsidize.

  67. @Clifford Brown
    Good old Valley Village mentioned in a Haaretz article about providing a safe space for Jews sitting Shiva over the election.

    U.S. Synagogues Invite Grieving Jews to Sit Shiva Together After Trump Victory
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.752339

    Interesting split in Jewish voters, as usual. Looks like some of them still didn’t get the message. The practicing Jews, especially the Orthodox, overwhelmingly voted Trump. In Lakewood (NJ) and Orthodox areas of Brooklyn, Trump dominated. Lakewood is the fastest growing city in NJ because of high Orthodox birth rates and migration from overcrowded and expensive Brooklyn. The city (about 100,000 now, projected to be 250,000, the second largest city in NJ, within 20 years) voted @75% for Trump, the second highest percentage vote for Trump in NJ. And the city has a large number of blacks and Mexicans. I couldn’t find precise numbers for Brooklyn, but it looks like Borough Park was @70% Trump. The Orthodox rabbis endorsed Trump explicitly because of the Supreme Court and concerns about Hillary’s ties to Arabs. More likely is that it just fits more closely with their natural conservative leanings. Cell phone video of Ivanka’s visit to the grave of a respected Hasidic leader days before the election went viral in Brooklyn and Lakewood. The secular Jews are “self genociding” themselves through intermarriage and low birth rates, while the Orthodox have the most robust birthrates in the world, with 8-9 children not uncommon, and highly encouraged. An Orthodox rabbit friend routinely cites the number of children a person has when he talks about them (“Yankel is a good man, right? You know he has 7 children, and isn’t done, if God wills it!”). I find Jewish people be the most interesting people in the world.

  68. Is the NYT reporting anything about

    “You voted Trump,” the mob screams, “You gonna pay for that sh*t.” Another woman shouts “beat his ass,” while another man is heard laughing before remarking, “Don’t vote Trump.”?

  69. Remember when the NYTimes spent 16 months laying into Augusta National? What a joke.

    I also remember when the narrive change d and the members of Butler National said no. Still doing so.

  70. The gay marriage narrative has got to be one of the more successful psychological campaigns in history in terms of moving public opinion.

    Really, in the space of a few short years, it has become socially unacceptable to display anything other than complete adoration for a custom essentially without precedent across humanity throughout its entire known history.

    And not any old custom, but one that touches as deeply as any other upon, well, who we are.

    Ya know, this isn’t too hard, it is the old USMC boot camp thingie, break them down and then build them up the way you want them.

    Crushing traditional notions of religion, matrimony, sexuality in one fell swoop is a heck of a lot of breaking down for a single narrative, quite efficient.

    Leftist regimes always, whether by design or instinct, go after these institutions, they want citizens with no allegiance to anything other than the state narrative.

    Public acceptance of/non-opposition to gay marriage is an implicit pledge of allegiance made every day.

    Another common characteristic of leftist regimes is that they typically require a high degree of virtue signalling by their subjects. And it is an unquenchable lust – they don’t care whether it is elicited voluntarily or via killing fields.

  71. By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.”

    This is one of the most important sentences I have read in a long time. It is the essence of what has been going on in the media and with much of the general population. Many people I know hear news stories and try to fit them into what they percieve as reality instead of questioning the gist of the story itself.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The whole Rolling Stone Jackie story was fundamentally an exercise in narrative fitting. Reality is usually messy so you have to trim it here and there to fit the narrative. Erdely just got a little over enthusiastic with her reality scissors.
  72. the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.

    Sometimes, it wouldn’t hurt to expound the goals of “psychological warfare”/else.
    Despite Unz’s readership obviously high intelligence, not all of us are very smart.

  73. @Mr. Anon
    "Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train."

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of 'em), can just f**k off, far as I'm concerned. They're dead to me.

    Agreed. The Never Trumpers need to be treated as deserters and pariahs. Every last one of them.

  74. @415 reasons
    A good example of the mindset of the narrative setters. In arguing that Trump supporters are enforcing political correctness themselves by not wanting to be called bigots when they hold "clearly" bigoted views, Beinart says...

    Start with their views about blacks. According to a June poll by Reuters, almost half of Trump supporters said African Americans were more “violent” than whites. Forty percent said they were more “lazy.”

    ...

    Sexism correlates too. A study by Carly Wayne, Nicholas Valentino and Marzia Oceno of the University of Michigan found that “hostile sexism”—reflected in support for statements like “Most women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist” and “Many women are actually seeking special favors…under the guise of asking for equality”—predicts support for Trump extremely well

     

    What if you don't actually say that black people are, in their inherent nature, more violent. What if you cite a government report showing that in the past n years, blacks have committed more violent crimes per capita than whites by a large margin, is that a bigoted view? Because that seems like repeating a relevant government statistic. What if you point out that they have a lower participation rate in the labor force?

    For the sexism one, what if you point out that when fire departments and the military screen female applicants they use lowered physical standards? Is that a bigoted view?

    This abuse of language and putting hard boundaries on what is considered anacceptable thing to say is the heart of PC. Trump supporters disputing that their views are necessarily bigoted because they don't conform to the tabula rasa superstitions of progressives is the exact opposite of political correctness.

    Yeah, but it’s as Steve Sailer has said, political correctness is a war on noticing things.

    It’s a war on empirical observation and honest analysis.

    Not to mention facts…

  75. @Broski
    These people sold their integrity for Hillary, and she lost. They thought it was necessary for good, according to their ideology, but their violations of ethical norms were for naught.

    Much guilt among some of the media, methinks.

    “These people sold their integrity for Hillary, and she lost.”

    Yes, but they didn’t have much integrity to begin with. Most of the public had already been discounting their views. The difference in this campaign is they openly sold their “integrity”. So they became like public prostitutes rather than just private skanks.

    “Much guilt among some of the media, methinks.”

    Yes. The “guilt” of gambler who realizes he bet his last dollar on a loser. “Self-blame for not being a better grifter” might be more precise.

    • Replies: @CK
    It is possible to sell what you do not own ... if the value declines you buy back in the future and keep the difference. But you have to borrow it from someone else before you can sell it.
    It is illegal to sell what you do not have and cannot borrow.
    They had no integrity; there is no one to borrow integrity from now that Hillary is defeated.
  76. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Interesting that markets have been rising since he was elected, are those in the know getting ready to short stocks when the market plunges?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    No. It means the market doesn't agree with what I just said. Which means maybe you shouldn't bet on the imminent wave of state bankruptcies I'm predicting!

    But I'm still worried.
  77. @anonymous
    It does, I hope people here don't for this bull**** mea culpa, their end goal will remain the same.

    Somewhat OT but has anyone seen the video of the "Chicago youths" beating up and carjacking a middle aged "Chicago Man" while a third youth filmed and yelled "he voted Trump...don't vote Trump".

    http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/10/trump-supporter-beat-up-chicago-fight/

    It's only been picked up by fringey rightwing outlets like infowars and Breitbart and some more tabloidy outlets like TMZ and the NYPost. Not a single MSM outlet has reported on it in their obligatory stories about a tidal wave of racist hatecrimes and vandalism from Drumpfkins.

    MSM Delenda Est is the major takeaway from this election.

    Yeah, that is shocking video that the MSM simply will not touch. I noticed Snopes tried valiantly to spin it as simply a traffic accident that got out of control, despite the obvious language. Meanwhile, I heard NPR say yesterday in ominous tones that after Trump’s victory, two Trump supporters attacked a Muslim woman in a hijab. You knew they were Trump supporters because they were wearing MAGA hats! Does that sound the slightest bit believable? Naturally, it turns out to have been a hoax, but I have yet to hear the correction on NPR.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/10/police-reported-hate-crime-against-woman-in-muslim-headscarf-was-a-hoax/

  78. “My editor needs someone to say such-and-such, could you say that?”

    Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

    I appeared as a guest on CNBC in the ’90s fairly often, and eventually the relationship got around to whether I could say “that.” A production assistant would call to book an appearance, discussing the proposed segment, and informing me what the producer’s agenda was.

    Once I replied “no” to the operative question: “could you say that?” the booking phone calls stopped.

  79. @candid_observer

    One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.
     
    I read something like this and my reaction is that these "talented reporters" are just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.

    These "talented reporters" don't seem capable of asking themselves, "What would the product of such an effort be if it were directed against those groups we support? Might it be equally or more damaging?"

    Really, it's the rank stupidity of it that gets me. The woman writing this isn't bright enough to see the problem?

    They reason like children.

    Why are our "elites" such idiots?

    The headline is my local paper today is about school children telling the teacher Trump scares them and why does he hate my family. The cultural rot runs very deep, we have raised multiple generations to think nothing is more important than their feelings. This is why they continue to reason like children.

    None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jack D
    Of course the NYT always leaned left but there was a golden age where publishers decided that it was good business to make the political bias in the news pages subtle enough that most readers would miss it. The idea was that if half your readers voted one way and half the other, why alienate half of your potential readership? Nowadays newspaper profits have disappeared so the profit considerations have also. In the last election , they no longer even tried to hide their biases on the news pages.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion."

    Quite true. There is no such thing as "no agenda".
  80. @candid_observer

    One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.
     
    I read something like this and my reaction is that these "talented reporters" are just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.

    These "talented reporters" don't seem capable of asking themselves, "What would the product of such an effort be if it were directed against those groups we support? Might it be equally or more damaging?"

    Really, it's the rank stupidity of it that gets me. The woman writing this isn't bright enough to see the problem?

    They reason like children.

    Why are our "elites" such idiots?

    just too stupid and ignorant to see how such a compilation could be a huge distortion of the truth.

    You’re assuming they’re interested in the truth. This is about people who don’t believe in objective truth. The truth is the story they write–the version of the facts they write.

    It’s about influence, though it’s mainly about power–the power to influence, the power to manipulate the public. Because it’s about winning–winning at all costs. The ends justify the means.

    They’re Democratic party operatives with by-lines. And it’s all in a good cause–their cause. If the truth is a casualty along the way, that’s just collateral damage–shit happens.

  81. Is this a hoax?

    iSteve’s title reads, “At the NYT….” but links to Deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood), an infotainment schlock site. NY Times staffer Michael Cieply supposedly wrote the article, but I can’t find it on the nytimes.com website. NY Times public editor Liz Spayd supposedly wrote the most damning part about the Times adhering to “The Narrative,” but I can’t find that quote on the Times site either.

    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
    OK, I see that the author Michael Cieply is no longer at the NY Times and it was he that wrote about "The Narrative," not Public Editor Spayd. So this is a Deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood) exposé. A lot of people will assume this is a disgruntled ex-employee getting even.
  82. @candid_observer
    It's almost beyond belief that the "journalists" at the Times would consciously adopt this methodology for their reporting. It almost defines confirmation bias.

    No wonder their "reporting" is so corrupt.

    They don't worry about whether they're printing the truth -- they know it, a year in advance.

    Pravda, I understand, was a Soviet propaganda organ with the policy that it would always say something true (people can fact check you know). There was indeed a political agenda behind what it reported … but there was always that element of truth. RT follows that tradition.

    I don’t understand why the New York Times and Washington Post can’t get this essential element of effective propaganda down right. Their narratives based on an “alternative reality” simply do not build credibility.

    • Replies: @guest
    Perhaps they can't get it down right for the reason they point out themselves in this article: they live in a bubble. They only regard eachother as important. PC is a Mind Prison. They don't know what reality is.
  83. @Mark Caplan
    Is this a hoax?

    iSteve's title reads, "At the NYT...." but links to Deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood), an infotainment schlock site. NY Times staffer Michael Cieply supposedly wrote the article, but I can't find it on the nytimes.com website. NY Times public editor Liz Spayd supposedly wrote the most damning part about the Times adhering to "The Narrative," but I can't find that quote on the Times site either.

    OK, I see that the author Michael Cieply is no longer at the NY Times and it was he that wrote about “The Narrative,” not Public Editor Spayd. So this is a Deadline.com (Deadline Hollywood) exposé. A lot of people will assume this is a disgruntled ex-employee getting even.

  84. Speaking of Narrative journalism [sic], my local gaystream media outlets assure us that the rioters here in Portland, OR are not illary supporters, but anarchists who have infiltrated legitimate protest groups. Talk about a distinction without a difference.

    God bless President Trump!

  85. @Anon
    sailer wrote;

    These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.
     
    I more or less agree. But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    The personnel is the political. Look at the who and the why becomes clearer.
    Evil exists, you can find it easily at the NYT and WAPO and the WSJ. It is evil to destroy that which you could never create. The man who slashed the Mona Lisa did not make himself Da Vinci’s creative equal. The people attempting to destroy the USA will not make themselves into the equals of Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, if they succeed.

  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    sailer wrote;

    These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.
     
    I more or less agree. But to what end? What is the purpose of this war? Why is this war being fought? What are the forces that caused this war?

    Historically, international bankers made money by loaning to both sides in wars.

    For an international banker, any trade brings a commission. They don’t particularly care who wins, loses or defaults on any transaction. Even advising on ensuing bankruptcy brings in money.

    Always, the point is to loan out money that puts the debtor in lifetime bondage. Government is useful to the degree that it will backstop loans.

    The “purpose of this war” is to get you to work unceasingly while they sit back and reap what you have sown while they sow the seeds of discord to divide you. Ten thousand mercenaries marching through a disorganized countryside.

  87. My brother travelled to the Soviet Union in the early 1980s.

    He said that in many/most places there was propaganda TV or radio on 24/7.

    Locals found ingenious ways to block out the video and sound, stuffing towels in propaganda machines.

    It should be the same with the likes of the New York Times.

    As I get to advancing Middle Age, I find the only part of the New York Times I enjoy reading is the obituaries to note with much pleasure the death of various enemies in New York Lib Left politics, Hollywood etc.

  88. @Almost Missouri

    "These people sold their integrity for Hillary, and she lost."
     
    Yes, but they didn't have much integrity to begin with. Most of the public had already been discounting their views. The difference in this campaign is they openly sold their "integrity". So they became like public prostitutes rather than just private skanks.

    "Much guilt among some of the media, methinks."
     
    Yes. The "guilt" of gambler who realizes he bet his last dollar on a loser. "Self-blame for not being a better grifter" might be more precise.

    It is possible to sell what you do not own … if the value declines you buy back in the future and keep the difference. But you have to borrow it from someone else before you can sell it.
    It is illegal to sell what you do not have and cannot borrow.
    They had no integrity; there is no one to borrow integrity from now that Hillary is defeated.

  89. Bernard Goldberg’s best seller “Bias” was supposed to have launched this soul searching a long time ago and I guess it did result in the success of Fox News, which isn’t that great from my perspective.

    Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press – but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia – that’s where everybody goes these days. You’ll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Jack Ryan,

    Who says Notre Dame is conservative! Going back to the beginning of the reign of Father Theodore Hesburg (who reigned for many decades), ND was weaned away from conservationism both in its politics and theology.
    , @Mr. Anon
    "Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press – but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia – that’s where everybody goes these days. You’ll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU."

    That's why I advocate what I think should be a major Republican party initiative over the next four years, at the state level: Abolish Tenure!
  90. People ask why the elites are so stupid. There are three explanations, all linked. First, regression to the mean. The Clintons are pushing Chelsea who is like a younger, less charismatic and warm Hillary to be the heir apparent and new face as she runs for Congress.

    While the older generation of the managerial class had some talent, their sons and particularly their daughters have none.

    The second explanation is the over-representation of women in the field. As many know, women have a tighter variance of IQ; fewer dummies but far fewer smart ones. This shows as the media is overwhelmingly made up of 95IQ women (at best) who feelz rather than think.

    The third explanation relates to the Drudge Report link this AM about how Silicon Valley views itself and wants to leave.

    WSJ linke link here.

    To many in Silicon Valley, this is just part of inexorable progress. Electing Mr. Trump won’t shield his supporters from the reality that they are now competing with every other worker on Earth, says Balaji Srinivasan, a board partner at venture-capital firm Andreessen Horowitz and CEO of bitcoin startup 21 Inc.

    Mr. Srinivasan views the collision between tech culture and Mr. Trump’s populist movement as inevitable, and potentially so divisive that tech’s global elites should effectively secede from their respective countries, an idea he calls “the ultimate exit.”

    Already, he says, elites in Silicon Valley are more connected to one another and to their counterparts around the globe than to non-techies in their midst or nearby. “My Stanford network connects to Harvard and Beijing more than [California’s] Central Valley,” says Mr. Srinivasan. Eventually, he argues, “there will be a recognition that if we don’t have control of the nation state, we should reduce the nation state’s power over us.”

    This attitude is even more present in the media. This is all part of the now HOT Civil War among Whites and their non-White allies. People like Srinivasan cannot and will not take into account the needs of people who are neither famous and “cool” or wealthy and powerful. Its a toxic mixture of race and class and the mutual loathing of the White working and middle class by Upper Class Whites (who view us as genetically deficient for not being born rich) and the Third World Aristocracy (same).

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "This is all part of the now HOT Civil War among Whites and their non-White allies."

    That is the narrative being trumped by the elites of the Alt Right.

    "Its a toxic mixture of race and class and the mutual loathing of the White working and middle class by Upper Class Whites (who view us as genetically deficient for not being born rich) and the Third World Aristocracy (same)."

    So, "good whites" versus "bad whites". Where do those whites who refuse to buy into this marlarkey fit in? You know, those who make their own decisions regarding race and class? Do you personally loathe them for exercising their own liberty in this regard?
  91. She continued: “The red state America campaign coverage that rang the loudest in news coverage grew out of Trump rallies, and it often amplified the voices of the most hateful. One especially compelling video produced with footage collected over months on the campaign trail, captured the ugly vitriol like few others. That’s important coverage.

    It is still going on: https://www.yahoo.com/news/acts-of-intimidation-violence-and-vandalism-reported-after-trump-win-221612138.html

  92. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Even 3% interest on an 18 – 20 trillion dollar debt would cost a minimum of $540 billion in yearly payments.

  93. @Mr. Anon
    "Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train."

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of 'em), can just f**k off, far as I'm concerned. They're dead to me.

    I just unsubscribed to NR after many years. I doubt WF Buckley would have been a NeverTrumper.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Jim Don Bob,

    I respectfully disagree with your positive (and unfortunately naive) assessment of Buckley. He would have cheerfully been a NeverTrumper just as he had cheerfully been a NeverBuchananer and a NeverSobraner!

    For confirmation of my assessment check (among others) Peter Brimelow and Paul Gottfried.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    National Review has lost subscribers steadily since 2010. I don't think it depends on subscriptions to pay the salaries of Rich Lowry, Jonah Goldberg, Ramesh Ponnuru, and others. There must be wealthy donors who fund the claptrap that spews from them, regardless of whether there is an audience for it.
    , @CK
    Buckley was a CIA stooge his whole career. Of course he would have been a never-Trumper.
  94. @415 reasons
    A good example of the mindset of the narrative setters. In arguing that Trump supporters are enforcing political correctness themselves by not wanting to be called bigots when they hold "clearly" bigoted views, Beinart says...

    Start with their views about blacks. According to a June poll by Reuters, almost half of Trump supporters said African Americans were more “violent” than whites. Forty percent said they were more “lazy.”

    ...

    Sexism correlates too. A study by Carly Wayne, Nicholas Valentino and Marzia Oceno of the University of Michigan found that “hostile sexism”—reflected in support for statements like “Most women interpret innocent remarks or acts as being sexist” and “Many women are actually seeking special favors…under the guise of asking for equality”—predicts support for Trump extremely well

     

    What if you don't actually say that black people are, in their inherent nature, more violent. What if you cite a government report showing that in the past n years, blacks have committed more violent crimes per capita than whites by a large margin, is that a bigoted view? Because that seems like repeating a relevant government statistic. What if you point out that they have a lower participation rate in the labor force?

    For the sexism one, what if you point out that when fire departments and the military screen female applicants they use lowered physical standards? Is that a bigoted view?

    This abuse of language and putting hard boundaries on what is considered anacceptable thing to say is the heart of PC. Trump supporters disputing that their views are necessarily bigoted because they don't conform to the tabula rasa superstitions of progressives is the exact opposite of political correctness.

    Right. There is a big difference between saying X is more Y than Z, and saying X acts more Y than Z. You are stereotyping the group in the former, but criticizing the actions of members of the group in the latter.

    Having said that, I do think blacks are inherently more violent than whites; 200 years of living in the USA hasn’t calmed them down much. Too hung up on respect.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    I guess my point isn't just that there's a meaningful difference between saying "X is inherently more prone to Y" and "statistics show that X does Y more often." It is also that the way that these poll questions and responses from the media are framed basically means that no matter what mountains of empirical evidence suggest otherwise, it will be considered bigoted to even consider the idea that there are inborn differences between groups of people who evolved separately. Saying that we are not all just blank slates is bigoted, even if it happens to be true. The essence of political correctness is that it is crimethink to even question Rousseau.
  95. @iffen
    Or it’s intentionally misleading.

    Framed from a certain perspective. Like the articles published in the aftermath of this election on the secession of California as opposed to the articles published after Obama's election that dealt with the secession of Texas.

    How about the endless brouhaha about whether Trump would concede? What about all the warnings about what sort of violence Trump supporters would be into after the defeat. Will this be revisited in light of the laggardly concession by Clinton? What about the mini-riots and criminal mischief on-going by Clinton supporters? This all might fall into that category known as, “To Cover Trump Even-Handedly Would Help Trump.”

  96. @Anonymous
    ''Stephen Hunter has a depiction of “The Narrative” in one of his novels.''
    This depiction can be found in Hunter's ''I, Sniper'' (2009). Like many others, I do find Stephen Hunter to be the best living thriller writer. Bar none.

    +10. His Third Bullet is very good.

  97. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama’s benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president’s term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Trump didn’t make it a huge point in the broad campaign, just wasn’t a topic that was going to sticky.

    However, he repeatedly referenced the imbalances in finances that governments/markets, the potential catastrophe in rally speeches all along.

    It was just too arcane for Joe Voter or even Joe Elite.

    My impression is that he is acutely aware, he is a businessman after all, a very red-pilled one, and is going into this with eyes that have been wide open for a very long time.

    It will be the luck of the Trump, the media will make a big thing about how the sky is falling, then it won’t, and Trump will get the credit, subliminally or at least through means other than the now fully discredited Vichy media.

  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Scapewhitey is the biggest Narrative.

    The UVA case should be studied in all journalism schools from a sociological, political, racial-ethnic, and psychological angle.

    Not just the article but the willingness of media to endorse it and then keep feigning innocence or naivete as things became clear.

    A book needs to be written about it.

    It says so much about the Current Mindset. In academia, media, culture, government, etc.

    It is emblematic of the culture of our age.

    This can really be a best-seller.

    Had the UVA story turned out as true, there would have 5 books out already.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "Scapewhite" - I like it - use as in scapegoat.

    "The media ignore black criminality and focus on a few scapewhites"
  99. So they admit they have an agenda, rather then simply reporting the news. In war its called propaganda.

  100. @Anonymous Nephew

    "These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare."
     
    You don't even (usually) have to lie, you just control which true facts are presented. So the beaten up Trump supporter is ignored, where some loudmouth Trump supporter at a rally gets airtime.

    I don't know about the US, but on this side of the pond Aleppo has been missing from the news for a month or so, despite 'Putin sending a carrier to slaughter little children'. Two months back it was all we heard. You can still find what's happening (Russian AF is cutting the roads and food is running out) but it's no longer on TV/radio news and in the op-eds.

    BBC are describing the US rioters as 'campaigners'. Rioting when you don't like an election result (assuming it's fair) is a third-world thing. To quote Lee Kuan Yew "do you make the Hispanics Anglo-Saxons in culture or do they make you more Latin American in culture?".

    One thing I found encouraging is at least one example of calling a riot a riot: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/

    We need to start ridiculing (more) the media describing riots as protests or demonstrations (or campaigns).

  101. @Jim Don Bob
    Right. There is a big difference between saying X is more Y than Z, and saying X acts more Y than Z. You are stereotyping the group in the former, but criticizing the actions of members of the group in the latter.

    Having said that, I do think blacks are inherently more violent than whites; 200 years of living in the USA hasn't calmed them down much. Too hung up on respect.

    I guess my point isn’t just that there’s a meaningful difference between saying “X is inherently more prone to Y” and “statistics show that X does Y more often.” It is also that the way that these poll questions and responses from the media are framed basically means that no matter what mountains of empirical evidence suggest otherwise, it will be considered bigoted to even consider the idea that there are inborn differences between groups of people who evolved separately. Saying that we are not all just blank slates is bigoted, even if it happens to be true. The essence of political correctness is that it is crimethink to even question Rousseau.

  102. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Gosh, those three have something else in common. I wonder what it is…

    [MORE]

    Big electoral vote states that went for Clinton by 15-30%, for those who are wondering.

  103. @utu
    If "Pravda, circa 1939" was as good as NY Times, NKVD would not have been as busy as they were. Good and sophisticate propaganda actually saves lives. When you propaganda sucks you must terrorize people.

    Good and sophisticate propaganda actually saves lives. When you propaganda sucks you must terrorize people.

    So are you saying we should be grateful that the Left merely engages in psychological warfare instead of actual warfare on the population? I prefer neither. But if you want me to say the NY Times is a sophisticated Pravda, fine. They are a sophisticated Pravda. But they are Pravda.

  104. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Concern troll much? I read your comments:

    I’m feeling depressed that Trump is probably about to lose but even more depressed that it’s a rearguard holding action that will be ultimately futile,

    Would love to be wrong and have his supporters be systematically underpolled and he wins going away with all of the above but I don’t think it happens without another November surprise.

    The standard of living is going to go down for all but the most elite of the elite.

     

    Your quotes show that you are a sapper. Who are you working for?

    The learned elders of Zion.

  105. I think we need a better term than “the Narrative.” Narratives are supposed to make sense. They have structure, they have a beginning, middle, and end. Perhaps most importantly, you can pin down a narrative. It presents something out in the open, and can be determined true or false.

    What the left has is more like the Bullshit. They make it up as they go. No thread ties it together. Not egalitarianism, not inversion, not transvaluation, and not altruism. It’s just Make It Up As You Go.

  106. @TheJester
    Pravda, I understand, was a Soviet propaganda organ with the policy that it would always say something true (people can fact check you know). There was indeed a political agenda behind what it reported ... but there was always that element of truth. RT follows that tradition.

    I don't understand why the New York Times and Washington Post can't get this essential element of effective propaganda down right. Their narratives based on an "alternative reality" simply do not build credibility.

    Perhaps they can’t get it down right for the reason they point out themselves in this article: they live in a bubble. They only regard eachother as important. PC is a Mind Prison. They don’t know what reality is.

  107. @candid_observer
    It's almost beyond belief that the "journalists" at the Times would consciously adopt this methodology for their reporting. It almost defines confirmation bias.

    No wonder their "reporting" is so corrupt.

    They don't worry about whether they're printing the truth -- they know it, a year in advance.

    It isn’t beyond my belief. What do you think the NYT exists for? What are they trying to do? Tell the truth and nothing but? How quaint.

    I’m not particularly cynical, and I can’t even wrap my mind around why anyone would think that.

  108. @Perspective
    Interesting that markets have been rising since he was elected, are those in the know getting ready to short stocks when the market plunges?

    No. It means the market doesn’t agree with what I just said. Which means maybe you shouldn’t bet on the imminent wave of state bankruptcies I’m predicting!

    But I’m still worried.

  109. @jack ryan
    Bernard Goldberg's best seller "Bias" was supposed to have launched this soul searching a long time ago and I guess it did result in the success of Fox News, which isn't that great from my perspective.

    Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press - but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia - that's where everybody goes these days. You'll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU.

    Jack Ryan,

    Who says Notre Dame is conservative! Going back to the beginning of the reign of Father Theodore Hesburg (who reigned for many decades), ND was weaned away from conservationism both in its politics and theology.

  110. @Jim Don Bob
    I just unsubscribed to NR after many years. I doubt WF Buckley would have been a NeverTrumper.

    Jim Don Bob,

    I respectfully disagree with your positive (and unfortunately naive) assessment of Buckley. He would have cheerfully been a NeverTrumper just as he had cheerfully been a NeverBuchananer and a NeverSobraner!

    For confirmation of my assessment check (among others) Peter Brimelow and Paul Gottfried.

  111. @Barnard
    The headline is my local paper today is about school children telling the teacher Trump scares them and why does he hate my family. The cultural rot runs very deep, we have raised multiple generations to think nothing is more important than their feelings. This is why they continue to reason like children.

    None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.
  112. @Tim Howells
    Good question. You have to look for the common theme. In short - White males are stupid and evil, white people do not exist, whites do not possess or deserve their own countries or societies, they are oppressors - all other groups are oppressed. I would argue that these are the common themes, and that the aim of the war is White genocide.

    “You can see this in agenda-driven stuff like World War T and the Military / Campus Rape Culture hysterics. These are not news, they are planned campaigns of psychological warfare.”

    Or agenda-driven stuff like HbD, race realism, and White Genocide. Or this impending Civil War between “good whites” and “bad whites”.

    “Good question. You have to look for the common theme. In short – White males are stupid and evil, white people do not exist, whites do not possess or deserve their own countries or societies, they are oppressors – all other groups are oppressed. I would argue that these are the common themes, and that the aim of the war is White genocide.”

    Those themes are the memes of the radical left.

    Regarding whether whites are being “oppressed” for wanting their own nations, now that’s a hoot. Remember, European whites during the Age of Exploration invented “invade the world, invite the world”.

  113. @Whiskey
    People ask why the elites are so stupid. There are three explanations, all linked. First, regression to the mean. The Clintons are pushing Chelsea who is like a younger, less charismatic and warm Hillary to be the heir apparent and new face as she runs for Congress.

    While the older generation of the managerial class had some talent, their sons and particularly their daughters have none.

    The second explanation is the over-representation of women in the field. As many know, women have a tighter variance of IQ; fewer dummies but far fewer smart ones. This shows as the media is overwhelmingly made up of 95IQ women (at best) who feelz rather than think.

    The third explanation relates to the Drudge Report link this AM about how Silicon Valley views itself and wants to leave.

    WSJ linke link here.

    To many in Silicon Valley, this is just part of inexorable progress. Electing Mr. Trump won’t shield his supporters from the reality that they are now competing with every other worker on Earth, says Balaji Srinivasan, a board partner at venture-capital firm Andreessen Horowitz and CEO of bitcoin startup 21 Inc.

    Mr. Srinivasan views the collision between tech culture and Mr. Trump’s populist movement as inevitable, and potentially so divisive that tech’s global elites should effectively secede from their respective countries, an idea he calls “the ultimate exit.”

    Already, he says, elites in Silicon Valley are more connected to one another and to their counterparts around the globe than to non-techies in their midst or nearby. “My Stanford network connects to Harvard and Beijing more than [California’s] Central Valley,” says Mr. Srinivasan. Eventually, he argues, “there will be a recognition that if we don’t have control of the nation state, we should reduce the nation state’s power over us.”
     
    This attitude is even more present in the media. This is all part of the now HOT Civil War among Whites and their non-White allies. People like Srinivasan cannot and will not take into account the needs of people who are neither famous and "cool" or wealthy and powerful. Its a toxic mixture of race and class and the mutual loathing of the White working and middle class by Upper Class Whites (who view us as genetically deficient for not being born rich) and the Third World Aristocracy (same).

    “This is all part of the now HOT Civil War among Whites and their non-White allies.”

    That is the narrative being trumped by the elites of the Alt Right.

    “Its a toxic mixture of race and class and the mutual loathing of the White working and middle class by Upper Class Whites (who view us as genetically deficient for not being born rich) and the Third World Aristocracy (same).”

    So, “good whites” versus “bad whites”. Where do those whites who refuse to buy into this marlarkey fit in? You know, those who make their own decisions regarding race and class? Do you personally loathe them for exercising their own liberty in this regard?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    "Exercising their own liberty" by moving to lilywhite Vermont, where they feel free to vote excess immigration onto the other states.

    Why should they have the liberty to do that?

    My neighborhood for 20 years+ is at best 25% white. Any white person who lives in an area less "diverse" than mine has forfeited the right to preach to me about race. But I retain the right to call them out as frauds.

    Hillary, e.g., is quite rich. If diversity were good, she'd live in it. But she wants me too, instead.

    Immigrants are to the Clintons what wind turbines are to the Kennedys-- bring 'em on, just not here, thank you.
  114. @Mike Zwick

    By and large, talented reporters scrambled to match stories with what internally was often called “the narrative.”
     
    This is one of the most important sentences I have read in a long time. It is the essence of what has been going on in the media and with much of the general population. Many people I know hear news stories and try to fit them into what they percieve as reality instead of questioning the gist of the story itself.

    The whole Rolling Stone Jackie story was fundamentally an exercise in narrative fitting. Reality is usually messy so you have to trim it here and there to fit the narrative. Erdely just got a little over enthusiastic with her reality scissors.

  115. @Barnard
    The headline is my local paper today is about school children telling the teacher Trump scares them and why does he hate my family. The cultural rot runs very deep, we have raised multiple generations to think nothing is more important than their feelings. This is why they continue to reason like children.

    None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.

    Of course the NYT always leaned left but there was a golden age where publishers decided that it was good business to make the political bias in the news pages subtle enough that most readers would miss it. The idea was that if half your readers voted one way and half the other, why alienate half of your potential readership? Nowadays newspaper profits have disappeared so the profit considerations have also. In the last election , they no longer even tried to hide their biases on the news pages.

    • Replies: @guest
    "a golden age where publishers decided that it was good business to make the political bias in the news pages subtle enough that most readers would miss it"

    That made it more nefarious. Nowadays there is not more propaganda; it's just less competent. I prefer honesty, which was missing also in your so-called golden age.
  116. I have to say this makes the NYT slightly worse than I imagined – and the bar was already set very low.

    Mind you the FT is not much better these days. (Some of my financial friends in Europe tell me they lost faith in the FT after its demonisation of Putin that has screwed up so much its reporting and analysis.)

    Below a couple of comments under a Philip Stevens op-ed whingeing about Trump’s victory:

    Nobody
    9 hours ago

    Have I subscribed to the FT or to the Pravda upon Thames? I seem to have read that very same article 50 times already. Like some bland apparatchik repeating the same old fossilized party line about the West, globalism, the evil populists (not so much about democracy of late, that particular one seems to have been discretely relegated to the back benches of the politburo). Come on FT, go back to your vibrant liberal values, your disciplined quest for truth and objectivity. Stop peddling this toxic tripe to your readers.

    Joker
    17 hours ago

    I don’t if it’s the transition from print to digital, but the FT sounds more and more like the NYT – an utterly biased, elitist, opinion paper that refuses to see the other side to its arguments.
    The worst example was Gideon Rachman labeling as “Russian trolls” the commenters who disagreed with a recent column.
    Give us more facts, analysis and investigative journalism. That’s what we subscribe for.

  117. @Jim Don Bob
    I just unsubscribed to NR after many years. I doubt WF Buckley would have been a NeverTrumper.

    National Review has lost subscribers steadily since 2010. I don’t think it depends on subscriptions to pay the salaries of Rich Lowry, Jonah Goldberg, Ramesh Ponnuru, and others. There must be wealthy donors who fund the claptrap that spews from them, regardless of whether there is an audience for it.

  118. @Light Roast
    I think they need to do more soul-searching. As long as they see Republicans as some distant "other" that lives in a Red State, and who is deeply religious, uneducated, and broke, they won't understand Trump's appeal. It doesn't matter if they hate Republicans or pity Republicans - either way they're still creating elitist distance.

    What they really need to do is to stop enforcing conformity in their own ranks. There are people who work in the same city and live the same lifestyle, who hold different views. They need to understand why someone who is just like them would vote for Trump.

    Otherwise, all that will happen is that the Narrative will switch from, "Let's hate or ignore all those horrible Republicans," to "Let's pity all those pathetic Republicans. They know not what they do."

    That presupposes that the Times wants to cover national events fairly and accurately. They don’t. They are a propaganda organ. Thier job – thier real job – is to tell people what to think and to shape the narrative of events to the advantage of the Democratic party and/or globalist neo-liberal elites.

  119. @Mr. Anon
    "Cuck-boy Erickson finally getting on the Trump Train."

    Sorry, Erick, seats are all taken.

    I think Trump supporters need to be judicious in whom they allow into the movement. Clearly some house-cleaning is needed in the Republican party and the right-leanig punditocracy. Some people get in; some people just need to go away and find a new line of work. Erick Erickson, Rick Wilson, The National Reivew (all of 'em), can just f**k off, far as I'm concerned. They're dead to me.

    Let’s not get carried away here. The Nevers need to pay a price, but presidential politics operates on the basis of coalitions. Trump’s wasn’t so broad that he can afford to be kicking people out of the tent.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Leaders of Nevertrump cannot be forgiven. They led a movement to derail him.

    But the flunkies of Nevertrump can be brought over. They joined Nevertrump out of lack of nerves and imagination.

    I see Eric Erickson as a flunky. Flunkies make good dogs. He was so loyal to the neocons when they were in charge. As a Trumper, he will a most loyal dog. Dogs are like that. Most resistant to shift alliance while master is around. But once master is gone, they follow the new master most loyally.

    Give him a place. The Ernie Treatment.

    https://youtu.be/958GzzqgWnw?t=2m16s
  120. “That is the narrative being trumped by the elites of the Alt Right.”

    The “elites of the Alt Right”? Who would that be? There are no “elites of the Alt-Right”. It is still a marginal, semi-samizdat movement.

    “Where do those whites who refuse to buy into this marlarkey fit in?”

    It isn’t malarkey. It’s actually true.

    “You know, those who make their own decisions regarding race and class? Do you personally loathe them for exercising their own liberty in this regard?”

    Largely, yes. Although it’s not as if they have thought deeply about thier opinions. A lot of what they believe is received wisdom – received from a popular media that shoves the message down their throats 24/7, 365 days a year.

    Now that you have lost, can we expect you to become totally unhinged, as your recent posts seem to indicate? Maybe you should see a therapist.

  121. @jack ryan
    Bernard Goldberg's best seller "Bias" was supposed to have launched this soul searching a long time ago and I guess it did result in the success of Fox News, which isn't that great from my perspective.

    Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press - but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia - that's where everybody goes these days. You'll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU.

    “Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press – but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia – that’s where everybody goes these days. You’ll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU.”

    That’s why I advocate what I think should be a major Republican party initiative over the next four years, at the state level: Abolish Tenure!

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Please keep in mind that it's unpopular speech which needs protection.
  122. @Barnard
    The headline is my local paper today is about school children telling the teacher Trump scares them and why does he hate my family. The cultural rot runs very deep, we have raised multiple generations to think nothing is more important than their feelings. This is why they continue to reason like children.

    None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.

    “None of this should be surprising. The idea that newspapers are neutral arbiters of facts has never been anything more than a myth. From William Lloyd Garrison to William Randolph Hearst through the modern NY Times and Washington Post, newspapers have always existed to promote an agenda and manipulate public opinion.”

    Quite true. There is no such thing as “no agenda”.

  123. @epebble
    " The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6%"

    But why precipitate the Armageddon prematurely when the inflation rate is near zero?

    Mainly due to imports and labor inflation being probably effectively zero (or negative).

    Except that the real interest rate (economists’ term for the interest rate minus inflation) is not going to be zero, left to itself.

    It’s going to reflect something like the people’s overall rate of impatience: how much more do we value having something nice today vs a year from now? 1%, 3%, 5% more?

    Look around you: do you see that your fellow citizens are strong in the deferred gratification department? Do they save for a rainy day? Do they think about the long-term implications of their soda-and-potato-chips habit? Are they electing leaders who keep state and city pension plans fully funded?

  124. @International Jew
    We're going to see a new narrative unleashed, soon. It'll be a huge crisis that will tie up Trump's attention and put him into one after another no-win situations.

    It's not going to be a phony crisis either. It's called government bankruptcy. From top to bottom. Half the states and big cities are so deep in debt (mostly, unfunded pensions) they have no hope of ever paying everyone off. You've seen Detroit, Stockton and San Bernardino. Now watch California, Illinois, New York and more.

    Then the biggie: the federal government. The day the Federal Reserve allows the interest rate to climb to 6% or so, is the day the federal government can't roll over its debt anymore. (Lefty Janet Yellen would be happy to oblige.)

    These are crises swept under the rug for Obama's benefit, to maintain the illusion that he had money to work with to keep bailing out Obamacare. A Republican president's term will be the ideal time to nudge the doodoo up against the fan.

    Why did they care to benefit Obama?

  125. @Jack D
    Of course the NYT always leaned left but there was a golden age where publishers decided that it was good business to make the political bias in the news pages subtle enough that most readers would miss it. The idea was that if half your readers voted one way and half the other, why alienate half of your potential readership? Nowadays newspaper profits have disappeared so the profit considerations have also. In the last election , they no longer even tried to hide their biases on the news pages.

    “a golden age where publishers decided that it was good business to make the political bias in the news pages subtle enough that most readers would miss it”

    That made it more nefarious. Nowadays there is not more propaganda; it’s just less competent. I prefer honesty, which was missing also in your so-called golden age.

  126. @Corvinus
    "This is all part of the now HOT Civil War among Whites and their non-White allies."

    That is the narrative being trumped by the elites of the Alt Right.

    "Its a toxic mixture of race and class and the mutual loathing of the White working and middle class by Upper Class Whites (who view us as genetically deficient for not being born rich) and the Third World Aristocracy (same)."

    So, "good whites" versus "bad whites". Where do those whites who refuse to buy into this marlarkey fit in? You know, those who make their own decisions regarding race and class? Do you personally loathe them for exercising their own liberty in this regard?

    “Exercising their own liberty” by moving to lilywhite Vermont, where they feel free to vote excess immigration onto the other states.

    Why should they have the liberty to do that?

    My neighborhood for 20 years+ is at best 25% white. Any white person who lives in an area less “diverse” than mine has forfeited the right to preach to me about race. But I retain the right to call them out as frauds.

    Hillary, e.g., is quite rich. If diversity were good, she’d live in it. But she wants me too, instead.

    Immigrants are to the Clintons what wind turbines are to the Kennedys– bring ’em on, just not here, thank you.

  127. @415 reasons
    OT:

    Wondering about Trump pulling off the art of the deal on climate change. Trump has said some hokey stuff about science (specifically denying climate change exists and vaccines cause autism hokum) . Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas or would he have wiggle room to pull off other priority areas? If he could package it as part of an economic deal with concessions on business tax rates and trade, would he consider a big new tax on CO2 emissions?

    I personally agree that CO2 should not be regulated by the EPA as it is not really a pollutant in the sense of NOX or mercury, etc., and that is not the most economic way to reduce its consumption by writing big government regulations. But I guess I probably differ from most other Trump voters in that I don't believe it's a Chinese scam, either. I'm wondering if Trump really believes that or if Trump just says a lot of things not all of which he knows a ton about, and now that he's President he's actually going to learn. And if he learns stuff will he change any of his positions to earn concessions, as in the Art of the Deal.

    Does he actually have doctrinaire beliefs on these fringe ideas

    Climate change scepticism is hardly a fringe idea.

  128. “Exercising their own liberty” by moving to lilywhite Vermont, where they feel free to vote excess immigration onto the other states.”

    Those living in Vermont do not directly vote for “excess immigration”. Representatives from the state dictate policy as requested by the constituents. This process found in every state. Then, the House and Senate make those decisions in light of those demands. Citizens then have the choice whether or not to offer continued support for their representatives on this and other issues.

    “Why should they have the liberty to do that?”

    Because American citizens have the freedom to make laws for the nation. Do you need a primer on how our government works?

    “My neighborhood for 20 years+ is at best 25% white. Any white person who lives in an area less “diverse” than mine has forfeited the right to preach to me about race. But I retain the right to call them out as frauds.”

    Calling out whites who exercise their liberty to live with non-whites are frauds? Wow, just wow.

    “Hillary, e.g., is quite rich. If diversity were good, she’d live in it. But she wants me too, instead.”

    Feel free to leave if you feel triggered. That is your freedom. But those whites in your neighborhood also have the liberty to stay and/or enable non-whites to move there.

    Again, you have the freedom to live in areas that are white. Millions of white people are doing that right now.

    “Immigrants are to the Clintons what wind turbines are to the Kennedys– bring ’em on, just not here, thank you.”

    Your ancestors were immigrants. If they happened to be Irish, or German, or Italian, or Greek, or a host of other countries, they had been deemed inferior by (white) nativists and told to “go home” at various points in time. Perhaps it is time to take that advice.

    Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests? Why? What are those white interests? Who determines them? How?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?"

    If they know what's good for them, they would.

    "Why? What are those white interests?

    Want a hint, look at the results from last Tuesday, nitwit.

    "Who determines them?

    Not you. You are not invited to the party.
  129. @Jim Don Bob
    I just unsubscribed to NR after many years. I doubt WF Buckley would have been a NeverTrumper.

    Buckley was a CIA stooge his whole career. Of course he would have been a never-Trumper.

  130. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The good news is that the Trump win, in the face of the biggest onslaught of narrative lies from practically every corner of the MSM towards a candidate, shows that more and more people are not buying what they’re selling. So the Gray Lady can report all the BS that’s fit to print, Joe America is paying it about as much attention as news of transgender acrobats in Botswana being the greatest people like ever on the planet.

  131. @Anon
    The lowest information voters are those who uncritically absorb propaganda like NPR, the Times, and so on. Better to know little than to 'know' media-driven falsehoods. These venues flatter the common leftist's intelligence, giving her further confirmation bias that other media opinions are true and correct.

    “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.”—probably not Twain.

  132. @Mr. Anon
    "Jobs are disappearing in the Lugenpress Lying Press – but jobs are still exploding in the Left academia – that’s where everybody goes these days. You’ll find few, no Trump supporters in academia not even at supposedly Conservative schools like Notre Dame and BYU."

    That's why I advocate what I think should be a major Republican party initiative over the next four years, at the state level: Abolish Tenure!

    Please keep in mind that it’s unpopular speech which needs protection.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Please keep in mind that it’s unpopular speech which needs protection."

    And unpopular speech gets no protection in academia. The universities are virtually 100% liberal territory. Enemy territory. In politics, one should attack ones enemies. They have certainly been attacking us.
  133. @Corvinus
    "Exercising their own liberty" by moving to lilywhite Vermont, where they feel free to vote excess immigration onto the other states."

    Those living in Vermont do not directly vote for "excess immigration". Representatives from the state dictate policy as requested by the constituents. This process found in every state. Then, the House and Senate make those decisions in light of those demands. Citizens then have the choice whether or not to offer continued support for their representatives on this and other issues.

    "Why should they have the liberty to do that?"

    Because American citizens have the freedom to make laws for the nation. Do you need a primer on how our government works?

    "My neighborhood for 20 years+ is at best 25% white. Any white person who lives in an area less "diverse" than mine has forfeited the right to preach to me about race. But I retain the right to call them out as frauds."

    Calling out whites who exercise their liberty to live with non-whites are frauds? Wow, just wow.

    "Hillary, e.g., is quite rich. If diversity were good, she'd live in it. But she wants me too, instead."

    Feel free to leave if you feel triggered. That is your freedom. But those whites in your neighborhood also have the liberty to stay and/or enable non-whites to move there.

    Again, you have the freedom to live in areas that are white. Millions of white people are doing that right now.

    "Immigrants are to the Clintons what wind turbines are to the Kennedys-- bring 'em on, just not here, thank you."

    Your ancestors were immigrants. If they happened to be Irish, or German, or Italian, or Greek, or a host of other countries, they had been deemed inferior by (white) nativists and told to "go home" at various points in time. Perhaps it is time to take that advice.

    Now, serious questions--Must whites at all times look out for white interests? Why? What are those white interests? Who determines them? How?

    “Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?”

    If they know what’s good for them, they would.

    “Why? What are those white interests?

    Want a hint, look at the results from last Tuesday, nitwit.

    “Who determines them?

    Not you. You are not invited to the party.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?”

    "If they know what’s good for them, they would."

    Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?

    “Why? What are those white interests?"

    The results of the election was not about white interests, which you have again neglected to clearly define yourself, but about a myriad of interests by citizens of our great country.

    “Who determines them? Not you. You are not invited to the party."

    But I'm white and a citizen like you. I am invited. I have the golden ticket. Why do you despise liberty?
  134. “To the readership of the New York Times, or at least that part of it which shares the presuppositions of those who write that parish magazine of affluent and self-congratulatory liberal enlightenment, the congregrations of evangelical fundamentalism appear unfashionably unenlightened. But to the members of those congregrations that readership appears to be just as much a community of pre-rational faith as they themselves are but one whose members, unlike themselves, fail to recognize themselves for what they are, and hence are in no position to level charges of irrationality at them or anyone else. (Whose Justice? Which Rationality? [Notre Dame, IN: University of Notre Dame Press, 1988], p. 5).”

  135. @Mr. Anon
    "Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?"

    If they know what's good for them, they would.

    "Why? What are those white interests?

    Want a hint, look at the results from last Tuesday, nitwit.

    "Who determines them?

    Not you. You are not invited to the party.

    “Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?”

    “If they know what’s good for them, they would.”

    Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?

    “Why? What are those white interests?”

    The results of the election was not about white interests, which you have again neglected to clearly define yourself, but about a myriad of interests by citizens of our great country.

    “Who determines them? Not you. You are not invited to the party.”

    But I’m white and a citizen like you. I am invited. I have the golden ticket. Why do you despise liberty?

    • Troll: 415 reasons
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?"

    Yes, whites do often know what is good for them through their own personal choices - like choosing to live in white neighborhoods, or at least not overwhlemingly black neighborhoods. Like choosing to send their kids to white schools. That is what they choose to do. I want them to admit that that is what they do. I want them to stop slinging bullsh*t, and permit policy discussions to be based on realities.

    “Why? What are those white interests?”

    They have been clearly defined - hear and elsewhere. You are too stupid to recognize them. That is your problem. Not mine.

    "The results of the election was not about white interests,"

    The riots in Portland, and protests in other cities, and the weepy testimonials on MSNBC, YouTube, and any number of other venues, by thousands upon thousands of liberals like you.........indicate otherwise. They certainly think it was about white interests. They have openly denounced it as such.

    "Why do you despise liberty?"

    I don't despise liberty. I despise a system that increasingly seeks to deny it to me and my people.

    "But I’m white and a citizen like you."

    No, you are not a citizen "like me". I do not consider you to be my countryman. We just happen to be in the same geographic region. I consider you to be an enemy.

  136. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Boomstick
    Let's not get carried away here. The Nevers need to pay a price, but presidential politics operates on the basis of coalitions. Trump's wasn't so broad that he can afford to be kicking people out of the tent.

    Leaders of Nevertrump cannot be forgiven. They led a movement to derail him.

    But the flunkies of Nevertrump can be brought over. They joined Nevertrump out of lack of nerves and imagination.

    I see Eric Erickson as a flunky. Flunkies make good dogs. He was so loyal to the neocons when they were in charge. As a Trumper, he will a most loyal dog. Dogs are like that. Most resistant to shift alliance while master is around. But once master is gone, they follow the new master most loyally.

    Give him a place. The Ernie Treatment.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Give him a place. The Ernie Treatment."

    Ernie proved to be about the most useless bodyguard one could imagine.
  137. @Anon
    Leaders of Nevertrump cannot be forgiven. They led a movement to derail him.

    But the flunkies of Nevertrump can be brought over. They joined Nevertrump out of lack of nerves and imagination.

    I see Eric Erickson as a flunky. Flunkies make good dogs. He was so loyal to the neocons when they were in charge. As a Trumper, he will a most loyal dog. Dogs are like that. Most resistant to shift alliance while master is around. But once master is gone, they follow the new master most loyally.

    Give him a place. The Ernie Treatment.

    https://youtu.be/958GzzqgWnw?t=2m16s

    “Give him a place. The Ernie Treatment.”

    Ernie proved to be about the most useless bodyguard one could imagine.

  138. @Kyle McKenna
    Please keep in mind that it's unpopular speech which needs protection.

    “Please keep in mind that it’s unpopular speech which needs protection.”

    And unpopular speech gets no protection in academia. The universities are virtually 100% liberal territory. Enemy territory. In politics, one should attack ones enemies. They have certainly been attacking us.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "And unpopular speech gets no protection in academia. The universities are virtually 100% liberal territory. Enemy territory. In politics, one should attack ones enemies. They have certainly been attacking us."

    You really have no clue what you are talking about. Liberals are actually "attacking" liberals.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/06/03/college-campus-free-speech-thought-police-463536.html

    "The presumption of female victimhood inherent in many campus sexual harassment codes prompted Northwestern University feminist film and culture professor Laura Kipnis to pen an essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education headlined “Sexual Paranoia Strikes Academe.” She ridiculed campus sexual harassment guidelines as “feminism hijacked by melodrama” and identified an “obsession with helpless victims and powerful predators” behind the new policy. “Students were being encouraged to regard themselves as such exquisitely sensitive creatures that an errant classroom remark could impede their education, as such hothouse flowers that an unfunny joke was likely to impede their education.”

    ...

    "Until it was squashed by administrative decree, Williams College sophomore Zachary Wood headed up an on-campus lecture series called “Uncomfortable Learning.” Wood, an African-American who grew up in one of the poorer neighborhoods in Washington, D.C., is a self-described liberal, devoted to learning and books. He liked inviting controversial speakers, usually from the political right, to challenge young progressives cloistered in a collegiate utopia at one of the nation’s great small liberal arts institutions.Last year, though, Wood encountered the limits of free speech at Williams. First, he invited Suzanne Venker, an anti-feminist author and lecturer. After a campus and social media outcry, Wood’s fellow “Uncomfortable Learning” leaders disinvited her and then, to avoid further shaming on social media, resigned from the organization.Wood then formed a club of one and invited an even more confrontational speaker, British-American writer John Derbyshire, whose contributions to the racial discourse include a snide white dad’s version of “the talk” black men give their sons about police. After suggesting that blacks are more “antisocial” than whites, he wrote that a small percentage “is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us,” while “around half will go along [with violence] passively if the five percent take leadership in some event.”

    "An hour after Wood advertised Derbyshire’s speech with a Facebook post, he was swarmed. On Facebook, someone wrote that Wood deserved the “oil and whip”—a reference to a punishment for slaves. Others accused him of providing a space on campus for “hate speech” and began debating how to file a complaint against him. When Wood replied to one critic, “So you would never bring a speaker on the far right, like Venker and Derbyshire? I value the work I do with UL,” someone retorted, “I’d rather sell crack first.”A few days passed, the outrage kept building, and the university president disinvited Derbyshire.Wood believes students need to hear provocateurs like Derbyshire in order to formulate their own thoughts and challenges. “What is hate speech to begin with?” he asks. “It’s what people don’t like to hear. Trump has the support of a considerable portion of the American electorate. With someone like him running for president, speaking on national television every day, saying controversial things about the most important issues of our time, it is imperative that we confront offensive views and afford college students the opportunity to learn how to engage constructively with people they vehemently disagree with. Shielding students from microaggressions does not improve their ability to argue effectively; it coddles them. At a time like this, uncomfortable learning is vital.”
  139. @Corvinus
    “Now, serious questions–Must whites at all times look out for white interests?”

    "If they know what’s good for them, they would."

    Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?

    “Why? What are those white interests?"

    The results of the election was not about white interests, which you have again neglected to clearly define yourself, but about a myriad of interests by citizens of our great country.

    “Who determines them? Not you. You are not invited to the party."

    But I'm white and a citizen like you. I am invited. I have the golden ticket. Why do you despise liberty?

    “Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?”

    Yes, whites do often know what is good for them through their own personal choices – like choosing to live in white neighborhoods, or at least not overwhlemingly black neighborhoods. Like choosing to send their kids to white schools. That is what they choose to do. I want them to admit that that is what they do. I want them to stop slinging bullsh*t, and permit policy discussions to be based on realities.

    “Why? What are those white interests?”

    They have been clearly defined – hear and elsewhere. You are too stupid to recognize them. That is your problem. Not mine.

    “The results of the election was not about white interests,”

    The riots in Portland, and protests in other cities, and the weepy testimonials on MSNBC, YouTube, and any number of other venues, by thousands upon thousands of liberals like you………indicate otherwise. They certainly think it was about white interests. They have openly denounced it as such.

    “Why do you despise liberty?”

    I don’t despise liberty. I despise a system that increasingly seeks to deny it to me and my people.

    “But I’m white and a citizen like you.”

    No, you are not a citizen “like me”. I do not consider you to be my countryman. We just happen to be in the same geographic region. I consider you to be an enemy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes, whites do often know what is good for them through their own personal choices – like choosing to live in white neighborhoods, or at least not overwhlemingly black neighborhoods."

    Or like choosing to live in mixed neighborhoods, or choosing not to have their fellow whites restrict their liberty to be able to live, work, interact, and intermingle with non-whites.

    "Like choosing to send their kids to white schools. That is what they choose to do."

    Some whites, yes. But other whites freely exercise their liberty to have their children be educated alongside non-whites. That is the reality that you unquestionably deny.

    “Why? What are those white interests? They have been clearly defined – hear and elsewhere. You are too stupid to recognize them. That is your problem. Not mine."

    Nope, that is YOUR problem. You are skirting the issue. If you were truly into "white interests", you would proudly and specifically state them.

    "The riots in Portland, and protests in other cities, and the weepy testimonials on MSNBC, YouTube, and any number of other venues, by thousands upon thousands of liberals like you………indicate otherwise. They certainly think it was about white interests. They have openly denounced it as such."

    It is about economic and social interests, one of which may be about "white privilege". It is more complex than you characterize it to be,

    “Why do you despise liberty?” I don’t despise liberty. I despise a system that increasingly seeks to deny it to me and my people."

    The interests of white people that are citizens of America are protected. There is no one denying you of your liberties. You are able to live and work among "your" people, whomever they are.

    “But I’m white and a citizen like you. No, you are not a citizen “like me”. I do not consider you to be my countryman. We just happen to be in the same geographic region. I consider you to be an enemy."

    I am indeed a citizen like yourself. I have the paperwork to prove it. We are countrymen, we just have different viewpoints. Considering me as a white person as "an enemy" is decidedly anti-white. Why do you despise white people like me?
  140. @Mr. Anon
    "Please keep in mind that it’s unpopular speech which needs protection."

    And unpopular speech gets no protection in academia. The universities are virtually 100% liberal territory. Enemy territory. In politics, one should attack ones enemies. They have certainly been attacking us.

    “And unpopular speech gets no protection in academia. The universities are virtually 100% liberal territory. Enemy territory. In politics, one should attack ones enemies. They have certainly been attacking us.”

    You really have no clue what you are talking about. Liberals are actually “attacking” liberals.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/06/03/college-campus-free-speech-thought-police-463536.html

    “The presumption of female victimhood inherent in many campus sexual harassment codes prompted Northwestern University feminist film and culture professor Laura Kipnis to pen an essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education headlined “Sexual Paranoia Strikes Academe.” She ridiculed campus sexual harassment guidelines as “feminism hijacked by melodrama” and identified an “obsession with helpless victims and powerful predators” behind the new policy. “Students were being encouraged to regard themselves as such exquisitely sensitive creatures that an errant classroom remark could impede their education, as such hothouse flowers that an unfunny joke was likely to impede their education.”

    “Until it was squashed by administrative decree, Williams College sophomore Zachary Wood headed up an on-campus lecture series called “Uncomfortable Learning.” Wood, an African-American who grew up in one of the poorer neighborhoods in Washington, D.C., is a self-described liberal, devoted to learning and books. He liked inviting controversial speakers, usually from the political right, to challenge young progressives cloistered in a collegiate utopia at one of the nation’s great small liberal arts institutions.Last year, though, Wood encountered the limits of free speech at Williams. First, he invited Suzanne Venker, an anti-feminist author and lecturer. After a campus and social media outcry, Wood’s fellow “Uncomfortable Learning” leaders disinvited her and then, to avoid further shaming on social media, resigned from the organization.Wood then formed a club of one and invited an even more confrontational speaker, British-American writer John Derbyshire, whose contributions to the racial discourse include a snide white dad’s version of “the talk” black men give their sons about police. After suggesting that blacks are more “antisocial” than whites, he wrote that a small percentage “is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us,” while “around half will go along [with violence] passively if the five percent take leadership in some event.”

    “An hour after Wood advertised Derbyshire’s speech with a Facebook post, he was swarmed. On Facebook, someone wrote that Wood deserved the “oil and whip”—a reference to a punishment for slaves. Others accused him of providing a space on campus for “hate speech” and began debating how to file a complaint against him. When Wood replied to one critic, “So you would never bring a speaker on the far right, like Venker and Derbyshire? I value the work I do with UL,” someone retorted, “I’d rather sell crack first.”A few days passed, the outrage kept building, and the university president disinvited Derbyshire.Wood believes students need to hear provocateurs like Derbyshire in order to formulate their own thoughts and challenges. “What is hate speech to begin with?” he asks. “It’s what people don’t like to hear. Trump has the support of a considerable portion of the American electorate. With someone like him running for president, speaking on national television every day, saying controversial things about the most important issues of our time, it is imperative that we confront offensive views and afford college students the opportunity to learn how to engage constructively with people they vehemently disagree with. Shielding students from microaggressions does not improve their ability to argue effectively; it coddles them. At a time like this, uncomfortable learning is vital.”

  141. @Anon
    Scapewhitey is the biggest Narrative.

    The UVA case should be studied in all journalism schools from a sociological, political, racial-ethnic, and psychological angle.

    Not just the article but the willingness of media to endorse it and then keep feigning innocence or naivete as things became clear.

    A book needs to be written about it.

    It says so much about the Current Mindset. In academia, media, culture, government, etc.

    It is emblematic of the culture of our age.

    This can really be a best-seller.

    Had the UVA story turned out as true, there would have 5 books out already.

    “Scapewhite” – I like it – use as in scapegoat.

    “The media ignore black criminality and focus on a few scapewhites”

  142. @Mr. Anon
    "Whites do know what is good for them through their own personal choices. So, how do you determine what is good for whites? What are their interests? How do you force your opinions down their throats?"

    Yes, whites do often know what is good for them through their own personal choices - like choosing to live in white neighborhoods, or at least not overwhlemingly black neighborhoods. Like choosing to send their kids to white schools. That is what they choose to do. I want them to admit that that is what they do. I want them to stop slinging bullsh*t, and permit policy discussions to be based on realities.

    “Why? What are those white interests?”

    They have been clearly defined - hear and elsewhere. You are too stupid to recognize them. That is your problem. Not mine.

    "The results of the election was not about white interests,"

    The riots in Portland, and protests in other cities, and the weepy testimonials on MSNBC, YouTube, and any number of other venues, by thousands upon thousands of liberals like you.........indicate otherwise. They certainly think it was about white interests. They have openly denounced it as such.

    "Why do you despise liberty?"

    I don't despise liberty. I despise a system that increasingly seeks to deny it to me and my people.

    "But I’m white and a citizen like you."

    No, you are not a citizen "like me". I do not consider you to be my countryman. We just happen to be in the same geographic region. I consider you to be an enemy.

    “Yes, whites do often know what is good for them through their own personal choices – like choosing to live in white neighborhoods, or at least not overwhlemingly black neighborhoods.”

    Or like choosing to live in mixed neighborhoods, or choosing not to have their fellow whites restrict their liberty to be able to live, work, interact, and intermingle with non-whites.

    “Like choosing to send their kids to white schools. That is what they choose to do.”

    Some whites, yes. But other whites freely exercise their liberty to have their children be educated alongside non-whites. That is the reality that you unquestionably deny.

    “Why? What are those white interests? They have been clearly defined – hear and elsewhere. You are too stupid to recognize them. That is your problem. Not mine.”

    Nope, that is YOUR problem. You are skirting the issue. If you were truly into “white interests”, you would proudly and specifically state them.

    “The riots in Portland, and protests in other cities, and the weepy testimonials on MSNBC, YouTube, and any number of other venues, by thousands upon thousands of liberals like you………indicate otherwise. They certainly think it was about white interests. They have openly denounced it as such.”

    It is about economic and social interests, one of which may be about “white privilege”. It is more complex than you characterize it to be,

    “Why do you despise liberty?” I don’t despise liberty. I despise a system that increasingly seeks to deny it to me and my people.”

    The interests of white people that are citizens of America are protected. There is no one denying you of your liberties. You are able to live and work among “your” people, whomever they are.

    “But I’m white and a citizen like you. No, you are not a citizen “like me”. I do not consider you to be my countryman. We just happen to be in the same geographic region. I consider you to be an enemy.”

    I am indeed a citizen like yourself. I have the paperwork to prove it. We are countrymen, we just have different viewpoints. Considering me as a white person as “an enemy” is decidedly anti-white. Why do you despise white people like me?

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