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From the Harvard Crimson in 2020:
BY JOSIE F. ABUGOV, CRIMSON STAFF WRITER
OCTOBER 15, 2020“Where are you really from?”
Kaya R. Bos ’20 used to answer “slave Black.” Jarah K. Cotton ’23 would say “regular Black.” But when Alexa J. J. Brown ’20 sent an email to hundreds of Harvard students, she started a process that gave them a more fitting response — and eventually culminated in the formation of the Harvard College Generational African American Students Association.
“Generational” is a big word in reparations talk. The idea is that as Baby Boomers die off, white kids inherit houses in nicer neighborhoods than black kids, which is all the fault of FDR’s redlining and has nothing, nothing to do with the behavior of the residents of the houses since 1938.
… O’Sullivan’s grandfather, Reverend Isaiah Webb, coined the term “Generational African American” or “GAA,” during one of many conversations with his granddaughter about the Black diaspora. The invention finally created a label for the community of Black folk who trace their lineage in the United States back for centuries.
… Still, the term GAA is Harvard-specific, unfamiliar to most of the Americans it describes.
But how much long run influence has Harvard ever had on the rest of America? For instance, the fact that Casablanca was shown round the clock during Harvard’s final exam week at the near-by Brattle movie theatre has nothing to do with Casablanca’s iconic status among all the good movies made during that era.
As I’ve been working on this article, recounting tidbits to my mom, she’ll sometimes clarify — “We’re called what again, Josie?”
My guess is that the reporter, who recently graduated from \$41,300 per year Harvard-Westlake School in the Hollywood Hills, is the Harvard legacy daughter of a white sit-com writer, who wrote for terrific shows like Cheers, Golden Girls, and Roseanne, and a TV executive who is at least as black as Rashida Jones. A lot of black students at Harvard have pedigrees like hers. A lot of the other black students at Harvard have pedigrees like the African side of Barack Obama’s ancestry.
But despite its confinement to the Harvard bubble, the act of naming has been powerful within these Black communities.
Harvard has over fifteen Black organizations, but O’Sullivan, Bos, and Brown noticed that within these communities they valued, GAA [i.e., real African-American] voices were sometimes misunderstood.
Toward the end of last semester, in a GroupMe for Black students at Harvard, students started a conversation about social hierarchy within the Black community. Some expressed concerns that GAA students were perceived to occupy the lowest rung, spurring a number of Black ethnic organizations to hold discussions about inclusivity within their own clubs. Students also expressed concerns about the relative scarcity of GAA students on campus. …
The demographic disparities that inspired GAASA — a sense that there should be more GAA students at an institution like Harvard — raise a host of questions about representation within elite spaces, access to the resources they provide, and the efficacy of promoting marginalized groups within them. But advocating for GAA students carries fraught undercurrents: the reality that promoting specificity can tread closely to the needless trap of pitting marginalized groups against each other.
The difficulties of advocating for Generational African Americans — from increasing visibility on campus to addressing national, more controversial topics like reparations and affirmative action — show how the perception of a zero-sum game among Black people produces false choices, concealing how Blackness must contend within spaces historically structured by white supremacy.
False, I tell you! Granted, I, personally, am only a small percentage black but I deserve my reparations check as much as you do.
During pre-orientation before the start of my freshman year, I sat in the Yard on a humid afternoon in a circle of people I had met the day before. Between awkward get-to-know-you games and jittery small talk, it struck me that I had never before been with a group of Black kids who all knew their lineage, who had a place to point to on a world map that was not the United States.
Or Montreal.
When Adiah J. Price-Tucker ’22, GAASA’s former Political Action Chair, got to Cambridge, she felt a sense of culture shock. “I come from a place that’s heavily Generational African-American and that’s what I was familiar with,” she says. She noticed that other facets of the Black diaspora, such as Nigerian culture and Caribbean culture, appeared at the “forefront of the Black social scene.”
“I really love those cultures — all my blockmates are either first-gen African or first-gen Caribbean, so I’ve definitely learned a lot about all of these cultures and really enjoy them — but GAASA was somewhere that I felt at home,” she says.
Within Black communities at Harvard, there’s an overarching belief that GAA representation is disproportionately low, that “we’re in the minority,” as O’Sullivan explains. Every Black student I interviewed — GAA or not — expressed this as common knowledge.
As a first-year, I once heard from a teaching fellow of the Introduction to African American Studies course that GAA students make up 10 percent of Harvard’s Black population. For the Class of 2022, that would mean roughly 17 students
Nobody actually knows because that would require research and Harvard isn’t a research university, now is it?
Similarly, it’s widely alleged that freshman girls at top colleges tend to put on 15 pounds and get clinically depressed, but nobody knows that for sure because how can you expect research universities to research themselves?
.Brown used to joke “that there were only a few of us on campus.”
Within Harvard’s GAA population today, O’Sullivan has noticed a seemingly large percentage of biracial students and students who come from socioeconomically-privileged backgrounds. “If we were to count the number of GAA students at Harvard who were descended from enslaved people, came from low income backgrounds, first generation, four grandparents descended from enslaved people, I feel like that number would be so low — like, maybe one person. It’s just so, so, so low,” she says.
The demographics seem to have shifted from what they were decades ago. Professor Cornel R. West ’74 says that, when he was the co-president of the Black Students Association in the early 1970s, “about 95 percent of the Black folk in the association were Black people from the United States who had been enslaved in Jim and Jane Crow.”
He continues, “So you [have] a fascinating expansion of what we mean by Black people, what we mean by African Americans.”
Official statistics, however, remain somewhat outdated and obscure. Harvard does not collect data about the breakdown within racial groups — on official forms, there is no further differentiation after selecting the “Black or African American” option. A 2007 study in the American Journal of Education reported that 41 percent of Black first-year students attending Ivy League schools were immigrants or the children of immigrants; these groups compose 13 percent of the U.S. black population.
But how could research universities possibly research the effects of their affirmative action policies?
“I don’t have the statistics and the University doesn’t release them, but a large percent of the Black students in the College are descendants of recent Africans as opposed to being descended from African-Americans who were enslaved in North America,” says African and African American Studies professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Back in early 2004, Gates and Lani Guinier complained that most of Harvard’s affirmative action quota spots were going to people who where part white and/or part foreign elite. But then along came Barack Obama, who was both, and they had to shut up about that.
O’Sullivan and Bos are tired of speculation. They have been toying with the idea of collecting data on the demographic breakdown of the Black student population on Harvard’s campus — to “answer the questions we think there’s already an anecdotal feeling about, but quantify it through research,” O’Sullivan explains.
“Are we in the minority?” O’Sullivan asks. “And if so, does this make us feel like we don’t belong on campus? And how does that relate to social class?”
These questions are relevant beyond Harvard. David J. Deming, the director of the Malcolm Wiener Center for Social Policy at the Kennedy School, notes evidence that “non-generational African Americans, or non-descendants of enslaved people, tend to do better than those who are traditionally called Black,” with Nigerian immigrants known for faring especially well in terms of economic mobility. Ellora Derenoncourt, an assistant professor in economics at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley, wrote in an email that research finds “upward mobility among immigrant families is higher [than it is] for children of US-born parents and this immigrant advantage effect holds for African Americans as well.”
While Black immigrant families and non-Black immigrant groups have similar trends of intergenerational mobility, Generational African Americans and Native Americans see much lower outcomes than immigrant groups of all backgrounds, including Black. “There is something about the history of a people and the way they were treated by society in the past that carries over to today’s society in ways that aren’t just captured by kind of a snapshot of economic characteristics,” Deming says.
Or just maybe it’s the way they are treated in the present that carries over. I know it sounds crazy that the last 60 years might be more influential than the 18th century, but it just could be that George Floyd has more impact on the present than Emmett Till.
… O’Sullivan, Bos, and Brown were ready to leave the informal-gathering stage of their new group and become an official organization. Their next step was finding a faculty advisor.
Bos recalls excitedly reaching out to [Henry Louis] Gates — but when they met with him, she remembers, “the first thing he said to us was kind of how horrible of an idea he thought it was.”
Gates says his initial reaction “reflected a concern that this organization of descendants of people of African descent who were enslaved in North America not be divisive, not be seen as a political statement against other Black student organizations.” He worried that GAASA could foster discord within the larger Black student population.
When I asked West about the possible tensions, he responded prophetically. To him, there’s one fundamental question when it comes to any facet of identity: “What is the relation to specific identity to moral integrity and universal solidarity with those who suffer?”
Absent these two pillars, he warns, “you’re going to fall into very, very ugly traps of clashing, exclusionary attitudes. It can even become xenophobic within the Black community — that’s the last thing we want.”
These concerns — coming from two of the most prominent Black intellectuals in the country — were not unfounded. In 2017, students at Cornell University protested the underrepresentation of Generational African American students in the admissions process at the school. Cornell University’s Black Students United called on Cornell to increase the presence of “underrepresented Black students,” which they defined, in their list of demands, as “[B]lack Americans who have several generations (more than two) in this country.”
Ultimately, the incident at Cornell stoked conflict between Generational African Americans and people of African descent with more recent known lineage. “I’m a pan-African person, so my definition of the Black experience has always included the entire Black diaspora. So I hate what happened at Cornell. To me, affirmative action should be applied to Black people across the board,” Gates says.
The demands made at Cornell somewhat resemble the ideology of the American Descendants of Slavery movement. Small, yet controversial, ADOS has been a leader within the advocacy for reparations, but has garnered fierce, valid criticism from the left for promoting nativist rhetoric. The first demand in their New Deal for Black America reads: “Black immigrants should be barred from accessing affirmative action and their set asides intended for ADOS, as should Asians, Latinos, white women, and other ‘minority’ groups.”
ADOS shares a cohort of unlikely supporters, to say the least: Duke University professor William A. Darity Jr., one of the nation’s leading advocates for reparations, has voiced his support for the movement; West has spoken, albeit critically, at their events. But in 2019, alt-right pundit Ann H. Coulter wrote on Twitter, “I like #ADOS, but I think it should be #DOAS – Descendants of American slaves. Not Haitian slaves, not Moroccan slaves, etc.” And Yvette Carnell, one of ADOS’s co-founders, also has ties to “Progressives for Immigration Reform,” which the Southern Poverty Law Center has described as an anti-immigration group.
ADOS’s right-wing tendencies on immigration seem like the specific trap West is cautioning against and the source of Gates’ initial trepidation about GAASA.
In his keynote speech at an ADOS conference, West emphasized to the audience exactly what he emphasized to me: the imperative of connecting universal solidarity to specificity.
“So, yes, it’s true that those who used to be called Negroes or blacks in the Southern part of the United States, who then migrated to other parts of the country, that their experience is not the same as voluntary African [immigrants], not the same as voluntary Caribbeans who come to the United States,” West says. “All of them are subject to racist discrimination, but they still have very different histories.”
GAASA wants little to do with ADOS. Though GAA and ADOS may advocate for the same demographic, O’Sullivan emphasizes that GAASA isn’t affiliated with ADOS because of the group’s history of “incorporating a lot of xenophobia into their movement.” ADOS has left a bad taste in people’s mouths, she tells me, and their advocacy ultimately has done more harm than good. Their activism and research surrounding reparations specifically for GAA people is admirable, she concedes, “but I don’t think anyone’s really arguing with that.”
Gates believes a diasporic solidarity is important for innumerable reasons, one of which is exemplified by the ubiquity of racist violence in America. When I spoke to him in May, before the murder of George Floyd and the worldwide protests against police violence, he recalled the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery. “If you’re walking down the street, like this poor man who was murdered in Georgia in February — the man who was shot by two white men — nobody asked him where his grandparents were from, they just saw his black face and killed him,” Gates says.
Uh … No. That’s not what happened.
“Racism applies to us across the board.”
Even as aspects of systemic racism harm GAA populations specifically, racism is also unquestionably about perception. Black people suffer and die because of this reality — regardless of ancestry. Recent studies on colorism — discrimination on the basis of skin tone in an intraracial context — reveal that African Americans have an overall 36 percent chance of going to jail at some point in their lifetimes. For dark-skinned African Americans, that rate is 66 percent. …
Since December 2019, GAASA has partnered with the Harvard Coalition to Free Renty, supporting Tamara K. Lanier’s lawsuit against the University to release the rights to the daguerreotypes of two enslaved people, Renty and Delia. Her complaint claims that the daguerreotypes — some of the oldest recorded images of enslaved people — show her great-great-great-grandfather Renty.
What a lot of black people these days want is to inherit the right to mailbox money (a regular check in the mail) from intellectual property. That’s why The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks was a huge bestseller among white people who think blacks should get more checks in the mail.
Personally, I’d love to have some generational intellectual property mailbox money too. Let’s see … My grandfather was the great Roentgen’s delivery boy at the lens factory back in the 1890s when the scientist was inventing the X-ray machine for which he won the first Nobel Prize in Physics. Therefore, I should get a penny for every X-ray taken in the world each year.
That sounds fair.
GAASA hosted a webinar with the Coalition in September titled, “Lanier v. Harvard: The Power of Black Images & Identity,” which featured Lanier, her attorney Benjamin L. Crump, and Grammy Award-winning singer George E. Clinton as panelists.
… She discovered the origins of the images: Harvard professor J. Louis R. Agassiz used Renty and Delia as subjects in fallacious, pseudoscientific studies that justified white supremacy through the debunked theory of polygenesis. The images were hidden within the archives of Harvard’s Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology until they were unearthed in 1976.
… To Lanier, Harvard’s retention of the images is symbolic violence: an erasure of her family history. “Renty’s invisible, I’m invisible, my mother’s invisible, her grandfather’s invisible, and that extraordinary life and legacy never happened,” she says, “That’s an affront to my family.”
Harvard’s hypocrisy — retaining the images while claiming they adequately acknowledge their historical ties to slavery — reads as a cynical metaphor for the lip service that buries economic and political imperatives to address systemic racism. Renty’s image is not presently used to justify anti-Darwinist theories. Instead, we see him on \$40 anthropology books and projected against auditorium walls at academic conferences.
… GAASA, like Lanier, demands ownership of this history and legitimization of the experiences of Generational African Americans.
In my interviews with Gates, West, and the GAASA founders, I sensed a hyper-awareness of the potential danger that comes with foregrounding the particular racism that Generational African Americans face — it feels like a step away from invalidating racism against Black immigrants and their children.
I felt this danger as I began writing this piece.
But that’s exactly what white supremacy wants us to do: to make us feel we have to choose between divisiveness and naming specificity. To make us believe that, to keep the Black community whole, we must remain in the amorphous tension that precedes calling a thing a thing.
Before becoming GAASA’s faculty advisor, Gates wanted to ensure that it would embody a collective mindset, a kind of unity across the diaspora.
Recounting the more than fifteen Black organizations at Harvard, Gates says, “the more the merrier, as far as I’m concerned, as long as they’re not in competition with one another, as long as they coordinate their activities, as long as they’re keenly aware of the fact that we are all part of the global Black experience, whether your fourth great-grandfather or fourth great-grandmother was born in what’s now Nigeria or your grandfather or grandmother was born in Nigeria.” He emphasizes, “We are all part of the Black experience.”
Ultimately, his uncertainties strengthened the organization, O’Sullivan and Bos say. After their meeting, the GAASA founders sought to ensure that collaboration with other organizations was central to their mission. They met with leaders of the Black Students Association, Harvard African Students Association, and the Black Community Leaders, to stress how they envisioned GAASA as “a kind of ethnicity club, under the umbrella of BSA and BCL” and not an “offshoot where we were against BSA and BCL,” Bos says.
As the leader of the student organization meant to “represent all facets of Blackness,” BSA president Opeoluwa M. Falako ’22 plans on collaborating with GAASA and publicizing their events. Leaders of other ethnic organizations are similarly looking forward to including GAASA. Katia M. D. Osei ’22, the president of Harvard African Students Association, writes in an email, “one of my goals is to make sure that every member of the Black community at Harvard knows that they’re welcome in HASA while maintaining the support system that HASA provides specifically to both international and first-gen African students.”
D. Toba Olokungbemi ’22 and Venus C. C. Nnadi ’22, the president and vice president of the Nigerian Students Association, say they aim to further their club’s mission of “fostering community through culture,” by continuing collaborations with various Black ethnic organizations, including GAASA. Nnadi adds that “a lot of African American culture is influenced by West African culture, so there’s unique opportunities there to explore similarities within our cultures. And even if it’s not exploring what’s similar within our culture, just sharing our cultures together.”
The white gaze blunts the kaleidoscopic reality of the Black diaspora, both within and outside of Harvard. As West put it, “on the vanilla side of town, most of our white brothers and sisters just see Black in this broad, generic sense.”
Harvard professors are allowed to use racial slurs like “on the vanilla side of town” as long as they are anti-white.
It feels like a hopeless choice: Articulating specificity, on the one hand, is necessary to disprove this simplification — but it can also create division.
But hope abounds in the fact that these choices are false.
“I think there should be more of all of us,” O’Sullivan says.
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Blacks are simply boring with their identity obsession.
That's all they gots.
Sounds like they really believe white people are somewhere plotting evila wful things for them 24/7. Reality is we don't much care. And don;t think about this at all except hopoin someday the whoining would come to an end. But it won't.
You can not use the word they use like a pronoun (and not that I want to). But greater sin in 2022 America would be to tell them to control of your own lives, exercise agency to you own actions, clean up the mess that is Tha Community and above all shut the fuck up.
The mind boggles.
The Act of Naming
Directed by Quentin Tarantino
Starring John Turturro
Tagline: The Mafia begins a hostile takeover of The Ivy League–in the name of inclusion.
*****
“your great-great-great-great grandmother fucked a n*****, ho, ho, yeah, and she had a half-***** kid… now, if that’s a fact, tell me, am I lying? ‘Cause you, you’re part eggplant.”
I think using the abbreviation “ADOS” was a mistake. As with “Native American”, there is plenty of plausible deniability for any White guy who checks the box. It’s not lying at all, as plenty of us have descended from slaves, some point way back in the past. Not only that, but it’s hard to prove anything. This goes back to the Old Testament, so good luck with THAT, 23andMe!
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I’d do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.
The correct acronym is “DOAS”—Descendants of American Slaves, as Steve has appropriately titled his essay.
I'm willing to bet no one quoted in that article ever took a calculus class.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I'd do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.Replies: @Charon, @Anonymous, @guest007, @Ron Mexico, @Cool Daddy Jimbo
Which is the point of Ann Coulter’s remark quoted in the post. DOAS makes more sense, for what it’s worth.
Meanwhile, accountings of black educational achievements such as this one (imperfect and contradictory as it sometimes is) run headlong into the victimization narratives we’re otherwise subjected to…endlessly.
https://www.jbhe.com/chronology/
Pretty remarkable that there are like 15 ‘black’ organizations for a student body that has just a few thousand black people of whatever background. Obviously there has to be a lot of overlap so these exist for a few purposes: ambitious students set up rival organizations in which they get to be in charge and polish up their resume, lumping it under the ‘black’ umbrella lets people of African descent but unconnected to American slavery get in on the oppression narrative action, and lastly allows people who don’t really want to be associated with some of their fellow students of African descent socialize without risk of the others butting in. There’s a reason there are so few genuine middle to lower class black Americans at Harvard and other elites institutions – African immigrants and their kids don’t really like them and don’t want them around.
Harvard has 5k graduate and professional students. If the black organizations at Harvard are like black organizations are many upper tier universities, they have blacks from other universities attend what ever events the black student organizations do.
☮Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
That seems true. When I was an undergraduate in the mid-80s, the blacks at Harvard were still mostly African-American in the old sense and much more so than they are now from what I can tell. It’s a reasonable thing to point out: whatever one thinks of admissions preferences for blacks, the whole point of them at least used to be to correct for past enslavement, discrimination etc. in the family histories of actual descendants of slaves in the US. Harvard seems to have lost sight of this rationale over the decades.
The mainstream of black culture has eschewed "respectability politics" in favor of a radical politics which emphasizes the salience of events from hundreds of years past as grounds to indict the nation as a whole and extort spoils.
Barack Obama was a strange figure in that he was able to simultaneously pantomime "respectability" politics to whites while signalling that he was an adherent of radical racial politics to blacks and other minorities.
I tend to think that "respectability politics" became a dead letter by the end of the second Obama term, and that #BLM is proof that it is never coming back. The argument of #BLM is that blacks can't be expected not to commit street crimes, and therefore enforcing the law has a disproportionate effect upon them insofar as an outsized number of black street criminals will die as the result of a police interaction (without regard for how the criminal behaves during the police interaction relative to the norm).You must have missed the memo - in the 1990s the rationale for affirmative action changed on the fly from restoring opportunities to blacks as compensation for past wrongs to "diversity" which is an unalloyed good which benefits all persons in a given educational institution or workplace.
My guess is that opening up affirmative action to everyone but white men (and later, Asians) served to obscure the fact that it wasn't actually yielding lasting benefits that were proposed - the benefited blacks got well paid sinecures but their kids reverted to the mean. Simultaneously, making affirmative action a "good" for everyone (including the people it unjustly excludes) removes it from consideration when talking about how to remediate the position of American blacks in society - you can't now say "you blacks got forty years of affirmative action, that's your reparations." They can now allege that affirmative action was for everyone's good, and that since many more groups than blacks received it (and since it made no fundamental change to blacks' circumstances) they still need cash payments.Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Chris Renner, @bro3886
Here is some research:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181003-does-the-birth-control-pill-make-you-fat
It’s amusing that Steve continues to think this is primarily about money. I guess that a nice guy like Steve will never be able to accept the obvious:
They hate you and want your people destroyed.
Speaking of mailbox money, Germany has paid reparations to the Israelites to the tune of \$90 Billion over the last 70 years. In the same period, the USA gave assistance to Israel totaling \$150 Billion.
Blacks can be justifiably upset that this guilt money was paid because some Jews, not all, were conscripted into slave labor camps from 1941- 1944. The most a Jew had to work as forced labor was around 3-4 years during WW2, as opposed to the centuries that slavery existed in the Americas.
Most of the wealth granted to Israelites has been reinvested, and Jews today are materially well off, provided they keep nurturing the nest egg with education, work, and responsible stewardship. For some, it really is a pension delivered to the mailbox, such as Jewish survivors of the ‘siege of Leningrad’, who had their own German pension negotiated recently.
Descendants of former black slaves aren’t blind to the success of Jews working the guilt levers.
Class always tells, even over several generations. When Africa exported slaves, it was not sending its brightest and best.
One thing that is commonly ignored is that most of the Founding Fathers were descendants of upper class landed immigrants, or at worst the mercantile class, rather than proles. Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.
You may be right. And considering what followed in France and Rooshia, thank God for that! The Founders socioeconomic roots was not ignored by historians though. It is implicit in Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States", written over a century ago. It was controversial then and remains controversial to this day.
Pitting groups against one another? Why, we can’t have that. It would be wrong!
The idea is that as Baby Boomers die off, white kids inherit houses in nicer neighborhoods than black kids
Until they don’t, because they find out that the houses are multiple mortgaged and cash-out-refied 87 million different ways to Sunday, and even if it’s not, the house’s equity was used as collateral for someone’s long term or senior care expenses.
From investment advisor I have talked to, most of them have 401(k)s and IRAs still heavily invested in stocks even as they spend these accounts down in retirement. It will be interesting to see how much damage inflation and the current market downturn does to their account balances.Replies: @prosa123
Awfully long article to start off a Monday morning especially since it is a topic that I could never get to discuss with any of the blacks listed…I would be required to just shut up and listen. The Buffalo house I grew up in is still standing and occupied by a cousin…brave girl. Its generational value is maybe \$40K. If it wasn’t in the Kensington-Bailey section of the city, but in Elmwood Village it would be worth \$250-\$300K. It’s not the zip code that depresses the value, it’s the neighbors. Glad to see young, educated blacks figuring out that not everyone is the same and you may not want to hang with everyone that looks like you. Really didn’t need a Harvard education to figure that all out. Go Celtics.
Long way of saying that one of the things our country refuses to face squarely is that our most troublesome demographic and their neighborhoods have been the targets of various initiatives and vast amounts of money that were supposed to turn things around, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if these investments are not appreciated and cared for.Replies: @Spangel226, @Abe, @Buffalo Joe
TLDR. Honestly, Steve: I am already presented with way way too much black obsession with blackness and being black and all infinitely interesting details, real, and mostly imagined, to read more than a few lines of this dreck. It’s worse than baseball or golf courses.
I’ve always felt ‘African-American’ was a word for an ethnicity rather than a descriptor of race and country of birth. Similarly ‘Irish-American’, ‘Italian-American’ aren’t the right words for people who just arrived or are the children of people who just arrived, those words refer to specific communities that took shape from the great wave. New immigrants from those places have no connection nor do they seek one out with those groups. To include them would be to change the meaning of the word and thus deprive the original group of a word for themselves.
But this has also happened in various European countries where the name of the country and their core native ethnicity are shared. There is also the issue made in France from the attempt to construct a word for the native peoples in the term ‘Français de souche’.
Funnily enough in Australia and New Zealand they do have words to refer to the specific founding population as distinct ethnicities that cannot be co-opted by immigrants. In Australia they have ‘Anglo-Celtic’ and in New Zealand they have taken more and more to use the Maori word for the British settlers and their descendants, ‘Pākehā’.
As Steve is so fond of the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, if something doesn’t have a name, it cannot be thought about fully. Though so far those words in Australia and New Zealand have mostly been used to target them for collective shame, it does sometimes mean their issues can be discussed. I remember a leader of the Chinese community saying he didn’t want the ‘Pākehā’ to become a minority, that they’d come for the country they’d built and felt belonged to them. That’s a hard thing to have been said without a safe non-emotional word for native whites.
[glowing smoke curling against dark wood paneling]
ADOS are getting dominated by a people.
[perplexed black patriarch, likely a Leader of the Black Community, strokes his chin with one hand while his whiskey chills in the other.]
We call these people … GAA.
[black patriarch picks up phone]
“I need Tariq. Tariq Nasheed. I need him yesterday.”
I agree. No more foreign blacks should be allowed into Harvard, or into the country. Problem solved!
If white people didn’t exist they would have to invent us, to someone to blame, something to whine about.
The whole piece just bangs home a several AnotherDad themes:
1) “Separate nations”
Diversity is not a strength but a source of continual contention and conflict.
They are at Harvard. A very elite “elite space”, but … they need to whine and pout because it’s not really their elite space.
Everyone would be happier–certainly more psychologically grounded/normal–just running their own patch.
2) Immigration just debunks the whole minoritarian “oppression” narrative.
Revealed preference: Why the hell are all these Nigerians showing up here to “contend within spaces historical structured by white supremacy”? Uh … um … colonialism! Uh “white supremacy” stole all the African gravy, so we had to come here to get it back.
3) Minoritarianism is parasitism.
Or just a cover for parasitism.
Can–Do. But their energy and focus is all about how to loot the white host.
and
4) Jewish ideology still rules.
Immigration–I’m constantly told by media Jews–is a core Jewish value. This makes sense, you have made yourself unwelcome in place A, but place B have is humming, so you want to leave place A and go middle man in place B. But eventually place B slows down, or you make yourself unwelcome there, while the natives of place C have built it into something great … you want to decamp from place B and go middle manning and rent seeking in place C. It is a moral right!
In contrast, while well-placed blacks have their affirmative action rent to collect–and more is wanted!–actual American black interests are pretty much the same as other–especially working class–Americans. Employment at good wages, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, decent schools, less congestion, and an uncrowded and healthy environment. And generally being able to turn your share of all that–and a continuously improving America–over to your children. The largest share possible, not chopped up and diluted to nothingness. Continuing immigration is destructive–very destructive–to all of that.
Not only are Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants stealing more and more of the DOAS blacks affirmative action rent–the tension driving this piece–all immigration is stealing away black Americans relative position, opportunities, prospects, future–probably even faster than for white Americans.
But … you can’t say that! That would be whatever … undermining the solidarity in the great minoritarian jihad against the white golem. You read this piece, there’s no doubt who is still ideologically in charge of “the left”.
They'll need to obscure that it's happening and make it costly to notice (the Press has this handled), but I'm sure they have some ridiculous backstop like "internalized white supremacy" or somesuch in the rare event that someone notices and vocalizes this. Otherwise you'd have to propose that backwards, toothless Appalachian racists can easily tell the difference between American blacks and Igbos or Caribbean descended blacks and that the toothless Appalachian racists go out of their own way to confer benefits upon the Africans and Caribbeans for racist purposes.
I think it's plausible that a group that has historically found itself as an outsider group within another population will develop traits that allow it to navigate and be comfortable within that space.
On the other hand, that does seem to be rather niche and specific thing for evolution to promote.
On the third hand, evolution often surprises.Replies: @quewin
These Negro Harvard students strike me as being future community organizers–nothing more. How many of said Negroes can Harvard accept before it becomes Morehouse?
The blacks at Harvard in the 1980s were probably the last vestiges of black “respectability politics,” wherein blacks made the effort to show that they were decent, respectable human beings whose ill treatment was a grave injustice. Those students probably went on to careers in finance or Big Law and live in nice leafy suburbs and drive nice cars and would probably make good neighbors.
The mainstream of black culture has eschewed “respectability politics” in favor of a radical politics which emphasizes the salience of events from hundreds of years past as grounds to indict the nation as a whole and extort spoils.
Barack Obama was a strange figure in that he was able to simultaneously pantomime “respectability” politics to whites while signalling that he was an adherent of radical racial politics to blacks and other minorities.
I tend to think that “respectability politics” became a dead letter by the end of the second Obama term, and that #BLM is proof that it is never coming back. The argument of #BLM is that blacks can’t be expected not to commit street crimes, and therefore enforcing the law has a disproportionate effect upon them insofar as an outsized number of black street criminals will die as the result of a police interaction (without regard for how the criminal behaves during the police interaction relative to the norm).
You must have missed the memo – in the 1990s the rationale for affirmative action changed on the fly from restoring opportunities to blacks as compensation for past wrongs to “diversity” which is an unalloyed good which benefits all persons in a given educational institution or workplace.
My guess is that opening up affirmative action to everyone but white men (and later, Asians) served to obscure the fact that it wasn’t actually yielding lasting benefits that were proposed – the benefited blacks got well paid sinecures but their kids reverted to the mean. Simultaneously, making affirmative action a “good” for everyone (including the people it unjustly excludes) removes it from consideration when talking about how to remediate the position of American blacks in society – you can’t now say “you blacks got forty years of affirmative action, that’s your reparations.” They can now allege that affirmative action was for everyone’s good, and that since many more groups than blacks received it (and since it made no fundamental change to blacks’ circumstances) they still need cash payments.
One of the problems with the discussions on reparations is:
Many whites think Affirmative Action has been a form of reparations for blacks (and American Indians)
In reality, white women have been the primary recipients of Affirmative Action.
Also, a lot of Affirmative Action is given to all sorts of immigrants and their children.
For example, an Asian Indian can use a minority SBA loan for a motel or convenience store. There are some Asian Indians attending college for free on minority scholarships around here. And Asian Indians have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the US.
It is hard to discuss Affirmative Action when the expectations and the reality are often different.Replies: @Ryan Andrews
The worthless elites who came back from WW2 as globe-trotters understood that a democratic form of government was no good for those who consider themselves to be world rulers. An empire requires an imperial government, and it was inevitable that America, more specifically white America, would become just another colony to be exploited for their own ends, since the people's interests are not the same as those of the ruling trash. With the passage of the '64 Civil Rights act, the '65 Immigration act, and other subsequent laws of a similar vein American government became just such a colonial system. The Constitution was trashed.
The obsession of the colonial government is to keep the white natives under control and to extract as much wealth from them as possible for as long as possible. Certainly a time-honored method of control is to import hostile foreign populations to weaken the solidarity of the masses, though this is destabilizing and in the long run is usually counter to the rulers best interests as a class. But colonialist exploiters tend to only think about the loot they're getting today and maybe next week, they know it won't last forever.
What strikes me is just how much time and resources are spent on “identity” at Harvard. You’d think that new students would show up being so excited at all of the intellectual activities, yet here are students spending all of their effort on creating a new racially-oriented club, because having an existing 15 to choose from (nearly 1 per 10 black students), just isn’t enough.
Think of what our society could accomplish if we didn’t fixate so obsessively on race…
A: Mars.
I’d love to be able to use big words like this, but, alas, they wouldn’t let me in!*.
I guess [✓] Native American is just not good enough for these people anymore. Chief Warren blew it for us!
How about [✓] NADOS? Native American Descendant Of (Native American) Slave(holders)? Maybe [✓} MSDOS would have gotten me in, a FOB, Friend Of Bill’s.
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* Well, honestly, I didn’t apply – wasn’t about to send in 25 bucks of my Dad’s money for an elitist shithole to begin with.
Blacks are already overrepresented at Harvard, though they have the lowest academic stats. Maybe we should stop treating Harvard degrees as if they’re worth anything. Aren’t they getting sued for racial discrimination?
The percentage of high school seniors who graduated in 2022 who are black is greater than 7%.
Diversity is not a strength but a source of continual contention and conflict.
They are at Harvard. A very elite "elite space", but ... they need to whine and pout because it's not really their elite space.Everyone would be happier--certainly more psychologically grounded/normal--just running their own patch.
2) Immigration just debunks the whole minoritarian "oppression" narrative.
Revealed preference: Why the hell are all these Nigerians showing up here to "contend within spaces historical structured by white supremacy"? Uh ... um ... colonialism! Uh "white supremacy" stole all the African gravy, so we had to come here to get it back.
3) Minoritarianism is parasitism.
Or just a cover for parasitism.
Can--Do. But their energy and focus is all about how to loot the white host.and4) Jewish ideology still rules.Immigration--I'm constantly told by media Jews--is a core Jewish value. This makes sense, you have made yourself unwelcome in place A, but place B have is humming, so you want to leave place A and go middle man in place B. But eventually place B slows down, or you make yourself unwelcome there, while the natives of place C have built it into something great ... you want to decamp from place B and go middle manning and rent seeking in place C. It is a moral right!In contrast, while well-placed blacks have their affirmative action rent to collect--and more is wanted!--actual American black interests are pretty much the same as other--especially working class--Americans. Employment at good wages, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, decent schools, less congestion, and an uncrowded and healthy environment. And generally being able to turn your share of all that--and a continuously improving America--over to your children. The largest share possible, not chopped up and diluted to nothingness. Continuing immigration is destructive--very destructive--to all of that.Not only are Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants stealing more and more of the DOAS blacks affirmative action rent--the tension driving this piece--all immigration is stealing away black Americans relative position, opportunities, prospects, future--probably even faster than for white Americans.But ... you can't say that! That would be whatever ... undermining the solidarity in the great minoritarian jihad against the white golem. You read this piece, there's no doubt who is still ideologically in charge of "the left".Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @tyrone, @megabar, @Charon
Blacks who are traditional American blacks (descendants of American slaves in the deep South) getting lapped by actual Africans and descendants of Caribbean slaves is a difficult square to circle.
They’ll need to obscure that it’s happening and make it costly to notice (the Press has this handled), but I’m sure they have some ridiculous backstop like “internalized white supremacy” or somesuch in the rare event that someone notices and vocalizes this. Otherwise you’d have to propose that backwards, toothless Appalachian racists can easily tell the difference between American blacks and Igbos or Caribbean descended blacks and that the toothless Appalachian racists go out of their own way to confer benefits upon the Africans and Caribbeans for racist purposes.
“As West put it, “on the vanilla side of town, most of our white brothers and sisters just see Black in this broad, generic sense.””
Is this true? Not in my experience.
That’s what being a race hustler is all about.
Is Henry Louis Gates concerned that an ADOS movement would undermine solidarity among blacks of different classes and skin hues similar to what he observed down in Latin America where mulatos don’t identify with their darker skinned and poorer brethren?
Do Gates and others recognize that black immigrants and their descendants are the inevitable future of the black elite and it would be foolish to alienate them with an ADOS movement?
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I'd do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.Replies: @Charon, @Anonymous, @guest007, @Ron Mexico, @Cool Daddy Jimbo
“ADOS” is incorrect.
The correct acronym is “DOAS”—Descendants of American Slaves, as Steve has appropriately titled his essay.
Armed whites rounded up my people 400 years ago, loaded them on ships, and sent them to Ulster.
“My guess is that the reporter, who recently graduated from \$41,300 per year Harvard-Westlake School in the Hollywood Hills, is the Harvard legacy daughter of a white sit-com writer, who wrote for terrific shows like Cheers, Golden Girls, and Roseanne, and a TV executive who is at least as black as Rashida Jones. ”
Here’s Josie:
If you are 20% black, do you get 20% of the full reparations check?
https://www.deseret.com/2007/12/20/20060079/scott-d-pierce-late-night-hosts-caught-between-rock-hard-place
https://deseret.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7029bb3/2147483647/strip/true/crop/549x366+0+42/resize/1300x866!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2FjiGa-qHIp5H9XsdOyPQDOAfWeoE%3D%2F0x0%3A549x450%2F549x450%2Ffilters%3Afocal%28274x225%3A275x226%29%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F16812298%2F690274543.jpg
Is appears that the mother is Kelly Goode, who is an exec at Warner Brothers and a Harvard legacy.
https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la22-kelly-goode-vs-jeff-abugov-678015
https://www.vera.org/people/kelly-goode
Not only is this statement is extremely misleading in terms of the facts, as is the one regarding the “murder” of George Floyd, but the lack of context is scandalous. Racially motivated assaults against whites and Asian Americans occur at a clip of about 2 or 3 times a month, if not more, most recently a a 17 year old teenager beaten to death in Akron Ohio after a gang of basketballs didn’t take kindly to the white kid’s water gun shenanigans. This event is simply a “non-event” in the eyes of Professor Gates and the Regime Media.
Just as nature abhors a vacuum, the central organizing principal of a society cannot be lies, 24/7, at the expense of the truth. The result is the loss of any “order” in “social order” as we see from the train shovers and pharmacy looters and mass shooters from New York to San Francisco.
And what is the general idea here? Blacks from anywhere in the world should get significant preferential treatment in admissions to prestigious universities because… their grades and test scores are going to be lower because they’re too distracted by the fear of getting shot by white rednecks to properly concentrate on school work or test prep?
It makes sense that Harvard would have some of the smartest blacks in the world. If you were the smartest kid in Cape Town, wouldn’t you want to go to Harvard?
It’s obvious the GAASA doesn’t really care about blacks, they only care about themselves. They think they have a unique identifier and are trying to monetize it.
The admin clearly can say they are not racist, as they have accepted many black students. This is rather clever, if intentional.
As far as a GAA in Arkansas, they have an equal chance of admission. But they have to excel, which might be a barrier. So, instead of whining about being GAA . . . work harder. Indeed, if a kid from Cape Town can make it, a kid from Little Rock should have a better chance. 4.0, 1500+ SAT, etc. It is under their control, not someone else’s.
Ivy Leagues love accepting Africans to fill their quotas so they don’t have to accept African-Americans:
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/05/us/ivy-league-student-2016-irpt/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/health/ivy-league-schools-parents-profile/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/12/us/ashley-adirika-ivy-league-colleges-cec/index.html
https://nypost.com/2022/06/12/first-generation-florida-teen-gets-into-every-ivy-league-college/
“I am really passionate about policy and using policy to empower communities. And so in the short term, for me, that looks like becoming a lawyer,” she said.
“But in the long term, I want to use that as a platform to do work in policy.”
You just can't make this shit up!
The word they’re dancing around is “caste.” High-caste African-Americans go to fancy schools and send the smartest of their progeny to Harvard. High-caste Africans take the expensive trip here (or London, etc.) and send their smart progeny to Harvard. The other black and African castes might as well be invisible, except when they are politically useful.
You are right, the word, "caste" is a buzzword amongst the black psued0-intellectuals for the last decade or so, but we ain't getting the high-caste from Africa in middle America.
I’ve often wondered if there are ANY students at Harvard who can check ALL the boxes for: 1. White, 2. Male, 3. Christian, 4. Not a legacy, 5. Not there on an athletic scholarship, 6. Parents not multimillionaire donors, 7. Parents not politically connected.
Their number must be vanishingly tiny.
While judging science fairs, I have met a couple of such students. They were very sharp and had parents who were the definition of knowledge workers.
Cheers* was on Prime a few years ago before it was acquired by another streaming service.
I was making my way through the early seasons and remarked on the near absolute absence of blacks and other non-whites in the story. I think I counted two blacks in the first four or five years – one was an old teammate of Sam Malone, and the other a co-worker of Cliff Clavin at the USPS. I don’t recall whether the former had any speaking lines. It was “one and done” for both characters – one episode and out.
It was so refreshing not to see forced diversity for its own sake. You would expect a neighborhood bar in Boston in the 1980s to be populated by white workers and patrons. That sort of thing used to be OK, and carried with it no sinister undertones.
* I propose that Cheers was the first prominent “show about nothing” well before Seinfeld.
I love Lucy?
The Honeymooners?
Leave it to Beaver?Replies: @James Speaks, @J.Ross
Interpretation: Don’t forget that the main thing is to get even with Whitey.
Why would any white person (or any non-black person) care about which set of blacks are getting preferences at institutions created by whites? Harvard was created by whites for educating future generations of whites. The words of Wilmot Robertson in The Dispossessed Majority come to mind:
“the laboriously accumulated privileges of Majority institutions were distributed gratis to members of other races and cultures, who accepted them as a matter of course, often with a show of ingratitude, and then used them for purposes entirely different from those for which they had been intended.”
If anything, Africans seem to hate us less than American blacks.
For now. Some Dot Indians seem to think America, which never colonized India, must pay for Britain's alleged colonial crimes. No doubt some Nigerian in America is writing a think piece right now about how America must pay for Britain's alleged colonial crimes in Africa, too. I don't think third worlders (or blacks, our resident third worlders) are capable of feeling gratitude toward whites.
By definition is must be true.
Descendants of American slaves are all also descendants of slave sellers, plus some small fraction of White folks are descendants of slave sellers.
QED.
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I'd do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.Replies: @Charon, @Anonymous, @guest007, @Ron Mexico, @Cool Daddy Jimbo
Nikole Hannah-Jones proposes that the only people who can claim race-based reparations are blacks who have at least one descendent who has a slave and who have for at least ten years checked the African-American box on all government forms. At least she is smart enough to know that if race-based reparations is ever passed, many Americans will find an interest in genealogy to justify a claim for reparations.
OK, in all seriousness, yes, that's true:
Geez, be careful whom you marry. I am the descendant of 19th century immigrants to a free state and am thus untainted by the legacy of slave holding/supporting. Then I married a woman whose great, great grandfather was a Confederate soldier! Now my children are forever tainted.
Getting warmer…
Yes; because a whole lot of black Africans, I think it was 93 or 94%, sold slaves.
Goodhart’s law states “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”
And sometimes it’s the wrong measure to start with. Elite universities were criticized for their low numbers of black students, but it was painfully difficult for them to find suitably qualified African Americans. Because the complaint was framed as black versus white, the solution was obvious. There are more black students, white people at the university and elsewhere feel less guilty, and everybody’s happy. Except the African Americans that the policy was supposed to help.
The Great Replacement is real: elites want to replace Americans because they dislike the ones they already have. They want to replace black Americans for the same reason.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/styles/profile_full/public/socialstudies/files/josette_abugov.jpgIf you are 20% black, do you get 20% of the full reparations check?Replies: @guest007, @SFG, @prosa123, @ScarletNumber
You are correct
https://www.deseret.com/2007/12/20/20060079/scott-d-pierce-late-night-hosts-caught-between-rock-hard-place
Is appears that the mother is Kelly Goode, who is an exec at Warner Brothers and a Harvard legacy.
https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la22-kelly-goode-vs-jeff-abugov-678015
https://www.vera.org/people/kelly-goode
Eventually one faction of the diverse coalition wanders into conservative-ish territory. When Dinesh D’Souza’s first book on the illiberalism of affirmative action and the university came out, he pointed out that race based preferences often supported elites over the lower classes of all races. Then again, even the historically-enslaved class includes a number of what Marcus Garvey called the “blue vein” society, so light that you could see the blue in their veins.
Seems like the coalition of diversity is cracking up a little sooner than expected.
My take: contention in the coalition of the fringes has always been there. Blacks and Jews, Blacks and Mexicans, Jews and Muslims (LOL), Muslims and homosexuals, now women and men pretending to be women ... Diversity is always creating conflict.
No, I found this article much more pessimitic.
Basically a bunch of foreign elites have hijacked the affirmative action that was setup for American blacks. If you scratched a pro-affirmative action white gentile liberal in say 1970, he'd give you an explanation that boiled down to classic Western-Christian "we're all in this together"ism. "Blacks were kept at the bottom but they're here with us in America so they deserve a leg up to start getting their act together. America will be better in the long run for it." Something like that. No way in hell, he'd have thought AA was owed to a bunch of foreigners ... from Nigeria. Heck, most would have cringed at the thought we ought to be importing more blacks from Nigeria.
Here we have elite American blacks, who are staring this AA hijacking in the face. Looking at their pathetic numbers, realizing they are at the bottom of even the black pile and seeing a bunch of f'ing Nigerians stealing the AA that was politically justified and sold by their ancestors' slavery....
And yet, all they can do is whine a bit and form a social club. Actually, arguing that this situation is bullshit and they are being looted of their sinecures by these foreigners ... nope, can't say that, because that would be "right wing" and "nativist".
Tedious blatherer Chip Gates, blathers away:Basically--No cracks in the black. Every black is entitled to goodies from the white man. The more the merrier when it comes to blackness.
My one hope for America, its future, is that in an increasingly Latinoized and Asianized America, we'll eventually see an end to the Jewish immigration insanity, before the African deluge. Maybe even some smarter and more level-headed Jews wake up--realize their of balkanization is already done--and discover "nuance". (They can't all be as autistic as Matty). A couple of decades of African deluge and we'll really be at Brazil. If it continues for a century--we're South Africa.
But our first Jewish president is avidly destroying the border and waving in yet more hordes. And here we have elite blacks--watching themselves be cheated out of their racial sinecures--and yet they don't dare even raise the issue. Because that would be "nativist" and "right wing".
There will be cracks ... but right now all I'm seeing is the destruction of America ... speeding up.Replies: @SFG
Harvard has less than 10k undergraduates. Harvard reports to the Department of Education that it is less than 7% black. So if one does the math, that means 700 black students. Harvard is also 12% international students with some more black students.
Harvard has 5k graduate and professional students. If the black organizations at Harvard are like black organizations are many upper tier universities, they have blacks from other universities attend what ever events the black student organizations do.
Steve Biko famously founded the Black Consciousness Movement because he found that in the anti-apartheid groups at his South African university, black students were greatly outnumbered by liberal whites.
Now GAAs at Harvard are finding that they are outnumbered by foreign blacks and mixed-race “exotics”. They find themselves a minority among blacks, and like Biko they want a place where their own voices can be heard. Who can blame them?
Huh, so the Ivy League used to recruit lower class American blacks yet now they’ll take anyone but those into their affirmative action programs. Why could this be?
https://www.hoover.org/research/day-cornell-died
Besides Harvard not doing any research, no one at Harvard could possibly check into five decade old history to find out what happened last time.
Fascinating, fascinating, … just not fascinating enough actually to look into it.
Maybe they're watching Tucker Carlson on the sly.
GAA = Gaelic Athletics Association (the governing body for Hurling, and Gaelic Football)
And this on is run by an O’Sullivan.
Gates got it wrong. Negros were not enslaved in North America. Negro slaves in North America were enslaved in Africa by other Negros, who then sold their enslaved fellows to slave traders. These slave traders then shipped these enslaved Negros to the Americas, where they were resold. BTW, only a very small fraction of these enslaved Negros–something less than 5%–wound up in North America proper. The vast majority wound up in the Caribbean, Venezuela, and Brazil
Of course they don’t, and they never will as long as jews are classified as white.
“False, I tell you! Granted, I, personally, am only a small percentage black but I deserve my reparations check as much as you do.”
Please tell us more about your woodpile Steve. I don’t know how I can stand the suspense.
One thing that is commonly ignored is that most of the Founding Fathers were descendants of upper class landed immigrants, or at worst the mercantile class, rather than proles. Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.Replies: @Prester John, @Hibernian, @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar
“Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.”
You may be right. And considering what followed in France and Rooshia, thank God for that! The Founders socioeconomic roots was not ignored by historians though. It is implicit in Charles Beard’s “An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States”, written over a century ago. It was controversial then and remains controversial to this day.
Painful but true observation – the people that live in a neighborhood largely determine whether it’s a decent place or not. There is lot of rhetoric about ‘disinvestment’ and other miasmas that plague urban neighborhoods, but when there are a disproportionately high percentage of dysfunctional people doing the things they tend to do, there are a lot of downstream effects and even good faith efforts to keep things up get overwhelmed. In my former neighborhood, the city decided to spend like \$10M on renovating the grounds of the local elementary school and playground as a reward for being one of the better performing schools in the district (which isn’t really saying much). A year later the grounds were totally wrecked – unsupervised kids stomped all the new plantings until they were dead, local thugs hung out and paraded their pit bulls, and the the playground looked like it was the scene of a drone strike.
Long way of saying that one of the things our country refuses to face squarely is that our most troublesome demographic and their neighborhoods have been the targets of various initiatives and vast amounts of money that were supposed to turn things around, but it’s rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if these investments are not appreciated and cared for.
monopolizinginvesting in the residential real estate market made the basic, HBD-oblivious mistake of thinking that land or advantageous location is the primary scare input when it comes to creating valuable housing stock. BZZZZ- no! America is still too large and open for land to be a limiting factor, and once prices become exorbitant enough people will simply move to someplace more affordable, as has been demonstrated on a large scale with the exodus of millions from what constitutes Earth’s closest approximation to the Garden of Eden- i.e. the state of California. No, the limiting factor to nice (and therefore valuable) places to live is nice white neighbors, preferably of round-head North Sea basin ethnic stock. They are living, breathing, BUCKAROO BONZAI-esque real estate Zen koan’s- “Wherever you go, there you (and your nice, desirable, solid store of intergenerational wealth housing stock) are.”https://www.hoover.org/research/day-cornell-died
Besides Harvard not doing any research, no one at Harvard could possibly check into five decade old history to find out what happened last time.Fascinating, fascinating, ... just not fascinating enough actually to look into it.Replies: @Prester John
“Why could this be?”
Maybe they’re watching Tucker Carlson on the sly.
She actually did win a competition in speech.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article261982815.html
I believe the French word for Harvard is Haiti.
News from the HYPS trenches as an insider/iSteve mole. No one from my local community’s high school senior pool got accepted this year. Several Nigerian-Americans from our state’s Capital City did. Graduating from the local high school was a particularly outstanding Asian-American STEM candidate who was nationally recognized; just to give an idea of how serious an achiever this is, they’d already banked 5 figures from placing among the top couple 100 kids in the country in several standardized test competitions (i.e. various National Merit Scholar equivalents). Bottom line- got waitlisted by my HPYS school.
Coming soon to an America near you: “17 year old Tommy Chung excited as, with only weeks to go before the start of Fall semester, UC IRVINE finally confirms he will be joining the incoming freshman class. ‘I always knew BERKELEY and UCLA were a stretch for me, but IRVINE is in no way a backup school and I’m really excited to be attending.’ When asked if his junior year STEM MAGNET project of curing cancer may have put him over the top…”
Speaking of racial slurs and who’s permitted to use them, there’s an article in the Washington Post, actually not a bad article, about “Gringo Hunters,” a team in Mexico that tracks fugitives from the US. The main “gringo” has the last name Salinas, which doesn’t sound like a typical gringo name. Anyway, my real point is that although the dictionary says the word is pejorative, the reporter uses it in his text and of course that means his editors thought it was fine. And if you ask me, Why are you even reading the Washington Post? well, gotta read something.
Yuck.
At Harvard every crazy idea morphs into a dozen even crazier ones.
However, Harvard is remembering the rationale “Is It Good For Harvard”, which is the most important thing.
Long way of saying that one of the things our country refuses to face squarely is that our most troublesome demographic and their neighborhoods have been the targets of various initiatives and vast amounts of money that were supposed to turn things around, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if these investments are not appreciated and cared for.Replies: @Spangel226, @Abe, @Buffalo Joe
Same story with developing sub Saharan Africa. In some countries, the Chinese complete infrastructure and large scale facility projects in exchange for access to raw materials. After a few years, if the Chinese don’t maintain what they built, it always falls into complete ruin because the locals won’t maintain it. Then nothing gets better in the long run. It can’t when the native population can neither build nor maintain the trappings of development.
This is black equivalent of full blood Cherokees unhappy with blond Cherokees.
I belong to the same tribe as many of the full bloods (there are several Cherokee tribes). We have common ancestry within what is now the United States. Our ancestors fought the same battles. We had the same land taken from us by white Americans.
Nigerians and Jamaicans on the other hand may have common ancestry with black Americans, but that ancestry would back in Africa.
The way dark skinned American blacks might resent very pale blacks who still get affirmative action is comparable to how a full blood Cherokee might resent someone like me.
Since I am neither a full blooded Indian nor a dark skinned black I don’t really know how they feel.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @The Anti-Gnostic
Semi-OT
iSteve theme of black urban pathologies, such as gunfights at funerals of victims of previous gunfights, has gone international—specifically subcontinental—and, like monkeypox, has crossed the species barrier:
Elephant Attacks Funeral of Woman Killed by Elephant
https://nypost.com/2022/06/12/elephant-tramples-woman-to-death-then-attacks-her-corpse-at-funeral/
h/t: Anglin
"She took the water from the well,
The last thing she would ever do,
The elephant came charging in,
And turned her into vindaloo.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
It's not enough he stomped her once,
He had to know her prospects were dire,
But elephants can soon forget,
So he snatched her body off the pyre.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
[Five-minute sitar solo]
Coda: You know it's not the thing to do,
Don't want to come home in a box,
If Dumbo comes around for you,
Make sure that you have changed the locks.
Final chorus: Elephants have feelings too,
Don't want to live inside a zoo,
There's nothing there for them to do,
The sanctuary smells of poo,
They'd rather be in Kathmandu,
You know they're just like me and...you."Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Buffalo Joe
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/styles/profile_full/public/socialstudies/files/josette_abugov.jpgIf you are 20% black, do you get 20% of the full reparations check?Replies: @guest007, @SFG, @prosa123, @ScarletNumber
25! 20, we’ve got some fun biology going on… 😉
OT:
They had me at Eric Holder Jr.
If it becomes widely known in the general public that non-ados blacks are the primary beneficiaries of elite affirmative -action will that significantly reduce support for it? I can see many non-blacks reluctantly supporting affirmative action as reparations for slavery, but become hostile to it if they found it was going to immigrants and their children, especially if your an immigrant from a non-protected class.
Until they don't, because they find out that the houses are multiple mortgaged and cash-out-refied 87 million different ways to Sunday, and even if it's not, the house's equity was used as collateral for someone's long term or senior care expenses.Replies: @Barnard, @Shel100
Boomers have to be willing to start distributing assets to their heirs before they get to the nursing home if they want to pass them on at all. A fair number will do it, but plenty of others will hold assets and spend wondering why their kids aren’t as successful as they were.
From investment advisor I have talked to, most of them have 401(k)s and IRAs still heavily invested in stocks even as they spend these accounts down in retirement. It will be interesting to see how much damage inflation and the current market downturn does to their account balances.
It's not so much nursing homes that devour inheritances as assisted living centers. They typically cost several thousand dollars a month, and people tend to stay in them for much longer periods of time than nursing homes. A common means of funding nursing homes is to distribute assets to one's heirs and then wait three years before applying for Medicaid and entering the nursing home. By waiting that period of time (not always possible, to be sure) the assets in the hands of the heirs are untouchable. Even if there's no distribution of assets, nursing home stays are often short enough that inheritances aren't excessively depleted.
That won't work with assisted living centers, however, as they don't take Medicaid and must be paid out of one's assets. Purchasing long term care insurance may be an option, but the policies are expensive unless obtained when one is fairly young and in any event they are full of limitations and exclusions.
Straight from the mouth of our budding young scholar:
“I am really passionate about policy and using policy to empower communities. And so in the short term, for me, that looks like becoming a lawyer,” she said.
“But in the long term, I want to use that as a platform to do work in policy.”
You just can’t make this shit up!
Long way of saying that one of the things our country refuses to face squarely is that our most troublesome demographic and their neighborhoods have been the targets of various initiatives and vast amounts of money that were supposed to turn things around, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if these investments are not appreciated and cared for.Replies: @Spangel226, @Abe, @Buffalo Joe
Abso-F-ing-lotuley! The geniuses at BLACKROCK, ZILLOW, etc. who have burned or will shortly burn through capital
monopolizinginvesting in the residential real estate market made the basic, HBD-oblivious mistake of thinking that land or advantageous location is the primary scare input when it comes to creating valuable housing stock. BZZZZ- no! America is still too large and open for land to be a limiting factor, and once prices become exorbitant enough people will simply move to someplace more affordable, as has been demonstrated on a large scale with the exodus of millions from what constitutes Earth’s closest approximation to the Garden of Eden- i.e. the state of California. No, the limiting factor to nice (and therefore valuable) places to live is nice white neighbors, preferably of round-head North Sea basin ethnic stock. They are living, breathing, BUCKAROO BONZAI-esque real estate Zen koan’s- “Wherever you go, there you (and your nice, desirable, solid store of intergenerational wealth housing stock) are.”And that’s just counting once. Barack Obama was a twofer– slavers on both sides!
How French of them. And neocon.
Seems like the coalition of diversity is cracking up a little sooner than expected.Replies: @AnotherDad
Milton, you are putting a far more positive–I’d call it “rose colored glasses”–spin on this than me.
My take: contention in the coalition of the fringes has always been there. Blacks and Jews, Blacks and Mexicans, Jews and Muslims (LOL), Muslims and homosexuals, now women and men pretending to be women … Diversity is always creating conflict.
No, I found this article much more pessimitic.
Basically a bunch of foreign elites have hijacked the affirmative action that was setup for American blacks. If you scratched a pro-affirmative action white gentile liberal in say 1970, he’d give you an explanation that boiled down to classic Western-Christian “we’re all in this together”ism. “Blacks were kept at the bottom but they’re here with us in America so they deserve a leg up to start getting their act together. America will be better in the long run for it.” Something like that. No way in hell, he’d have thought AA was owed to a bunch of foreigners … from Nigeria. Heck, most would have cringed at the thought we ought to be importing more blacks from Nigeria.
Here we have elite American blacks, who are staring this AA hijacking in the face. Looking at their pathetic numbers, realizing they are at the bottom of even the black pile and seeing a bunch of f’ing Nigerians stealing the AA that was politically justified and sold by their ancestors’ slavery….
And yet, all they can do is whine a bit and form a social club. Actually, arguing that this situation is bullshit and they are being looted of their sinecures by these foreigners … nope, can’t say that, because that would be “right wing” and “nativist”.
Tedious blatherer Chip Gates, blathers away:
Basically–No cracks in the black. Every black is entitled to goodies from the white man. The more the merrier when it comes to blackness.
My one hope for America, its future, is that in an increasingly Latinoized and Asianized America, we’ll eventually see an end to the Jewish immigration insanity, before the African deluge. Maybe even some smarter and more level-headed Jews wake up–realize their of balkanization is already done–and discover “nuance”. (They can’t all be as autistic as Matty). A couple of decades of African deluge and we’ll really be at Brazil. If it continues for a century–we’re South Africa.
But our first Jewish president is avidly destroying the border and waving in yet more hordes. And here we have elite blacks–watching themselves be cheated out of their racial sinecures–and yet they don’t dare even raise the issue. Because that would be “nativist” and “right wing”.
There will be cracks … but right now all I’m seeing is the destruction of America … speeding up.
Ironically Bernie was against open borders before he was for it. (Bad for workers)
I’m actually kind of hopeful about the whole national conservative trend-they’re kind of wimps, but they might push the Overton window back in a reasonable direction.
And, honestly, I don’t need 1955, I’m fine with 1995. Weird people had their spaces, normal people had theirs, the President modeled heterosexuality, and we still had white male Star Trek captains. Make it so!
iSteve theme of black urban pathologies, such as gunfights at funerals of victims of previous gunfights, has gone international—specifically subcontinental—and, like monkeypox, has crossed the species barrier:
Elephant Attacks Funeral of Woman Killed by Elephant
https://nypost.com/2022/06/12/elephant-tramples-woman-to-death-then-attacks-her-corpse-at-funeral/
h/t: AnglinReplies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Reg Cæsar
Weird scenes inside the Indian state of Odisha:
“She took the water from the well,
The last thing she would ever do,
The elephant came charging in,
And turned her into vindaloo.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they’re just like me and…you.
It’s not enough he stomped her once,
He had to know her prospects were dire,
But elephants can soon forget,
So he snatched her body off the pyre.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they’re just like me and…you.
[Five-minute sitar solo]
Coda: You know it’s not the thing to do,
Don’t want to come home in a box,
If Dumbo comes around for you,
Make sure that you have changed the locks.
Final chorus: Elephants have feelings too,
Don’t want to live inside a zoo,
There’s nothing there for them to do,
The sanctuary smells of poo,
They’d rather be in Kathmandu,
You know they’re just like me and…you.”
Since the late Mr. Arbery’s alleged murder by those armed crackers got injected into the discourse here, check out the Glynn County (Georgia) cops’s dashboard and body camera recordings of a notable earlier encounter with him…
…also, regarding St. George Floyd’s martyrdom/beatification, Officer Chauvin no more “murdered” Floyd than Capt Dreyfus spied for the Germans; their Kangaroo Kourt Konvictions, notwithstanding.
Just as animals are observed by scientists in their natural habitat, the subhuman “simian africanus” species must also be observed in its natural habitat in order to document its defective pathological behavior.
Arbery could have run off in any direction and have easily evaded questioning by the neighborhood residents who were defending their property. Don’t forget that Arbery was on their turf…if it had been the other way around and the Satilla three were on Arbery’s turf, and if they were put in harms way, nothing would have been noticed.
Arbery’s perception of being “disrespected” while executing his “stock in trade” (criminal trespassing and theft) which is common among his type was enough for him to rush the man with the weapon and “demand” that he be “respected”. THAT was his fatal mistake. Grabbing a shotgun barrel constitutes assault which should have been enough to vindicate the Satilla three...
The Satilla three should mount a vigorous appeal both for the “double jeopardy” and “prosecutor shopping” that took place as well as the tainted jury, biased judge and “outsiders” (blm, etc.) who threatened the whole judicial system if the “correct verdict” was not rendered.
Once the original prosecutor declared the Satilla three to be non-chargeable, that should have placed any future prosecution for the same situation off-limits. Such was not the case. This practice of “prosecutor shopping” must be outlawed as it does constitute “double jeopardy”.
It turns out that the Satilla three still faced federal “hate crime” charges for merely defending their neighborhood. Of course, they were recently found “guilty” as well.
Only one good thing came out of all of this–Arbery will not be casing any construction sites for future criminal acquisitions.
Three decent white men’s lives have been destroyed.
Justice? HAH! Not in today’s politically-charged atmosphere where negro criminals are elevated to the status of “sainthood”.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/styles/profile_full/public/socialstudies/files/josette_abugov.jpgIf you are 20% black, do you get 20% of the full reparations check?Replies: @guest007, @SFG, @prosa123, @ScarletNumber
She definitely has visible black ancestry. What percent, I don’t know.
Diversity is not a strength but a source of continual contention and conflict.
They are at Harvard. A very elite "elite space", but ... they need to whine and pout because it's not really their elite space.Everyone would be happier--certainly more psychologically grounded/normal--just running their own patch.
2) Immigration just debunks the whole minoritarian "oppression" narrative.
Revealed preference: Why the hell are all these Nigerians showing up here to "contend within spaces historical structured by white supremacy"? Uh ... um ... colonialism! Uh "white supremacy" stole all the African gravy, so we had to come here to get it back.
3) Minoritarianism is parasitism.
Or just a cover for parasitism.
Can--Do. But their energy and focus is all about how to loot the white host.and4) Jewish ideology still rules.Immigration--I'm constantly told by media Jews--is a core Jewish value. This makes sense, you have made yourself unwelcome in place A, but place B have is humming, so you want to leave place A and go middle man in place B. But eventually place B slows down, or you make yourself unwelcome there, while the natives of place C have built it into something great ... you want to decamp from place B and go middle manning and rent seeking in place C. It is a moral right!In contrast, while well-placed blacks have their affirmative action rent to collect--and more is wanted!--actual American black interests are pretty much the same as other--especially working class--Americans. Employment at good wages, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, decent schools, less congestion, and an uncrowded and healthy environment. And generally being able to turn your share of all that--and a continuously improving America--over to your children. The largest share possible, not chopped up and diluted to nothingness. Continuing immigration is destructive--very destructive--to all of that.Not only are Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants stealing more and more of the DOAS blacks affirmative action rent--the tension driving this piece--all immigration is stealing away black Americans relative position, opportunities, prospects, future--probably even faster than for white Americans.But ... you can't say that! That would be whatever ... undermining the solidarity in the great minoritarian jihad against the white golem. You read this piece, there's no doubt who is still ideologically in charge of "the left".Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @tyrone, @megabar, @Charon
….Oh come on, before outside contact Africans just ate they social problems…..twofer ,a tasty meal and every thing copasetic.
Steve, I know the Dan Quayle VP/national laughingstock years were your peak years of virile p!ss and vinegar, but it’s not 1989 any more. Professional atheist Sam Harris could be this b!tch’s dad- probably is even older than this b!tch’s dad. It is Harris’s MOM that is of the generation that created and/or wrote for GOLDEN GIRLS, which constitutes a never-ending minefield for Sam I’m sure should he ever find himself MeToo’d . “Mr Harris denies ever having engaged in any sort of sexual relations with you. Do you have corroborating proof, such as knowledge of a distinct feature like a birthmark or mole in his private areas only someone who had been intimate with Mr. Harris would know?” “No, but after he c@me in my hair, Mr. Harris did say: ‘Thank you for being a friend.’”
‘…But how could research universities possibly research the effects of their affirmative action policies?’
I don’t think they care what the effects are. After all, the effects are mostly bad: white and Asian resentment, embarrassing academics, professionals promoted way past their natural level of competence, and absolutely no benefit to your average, actual ghetto black. How could they continue these policies if they cared about the effect?
What they care about is appearing virtuous.
Long way of saying that one of the things our country refuses to face squarely is that our most troublesome demographic and their neighborhoods have been the targets of various initiatives and vast amounts of money that were supposed to turn things around, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if these investments are not appreciated and cared for.Replies: @Spangel226, @Abe, @Buffalo Joe
Arc, excellent reply. And if it was just one neighborhood it would be anecdotal, but it’s everywhere.
Would be nice if this black navel gazing was confined to the rostrums of higher education, but no, they all leave with a degree in gazium navelensis, and spread this retarding poison all places in culture.
So, what to do about it?
There is a story like this every year, and the student always chooses to go to Harvard. It is usually an African immigrant female. This one is pretty fat to begin with so she should be up to Stacy Abrams dimensions after Harvard Dining Services is done with her.
Now GAAs at Harvard are finding that they are outnumbered by foreign blacks and mixed-race "exotics". They find themselves a minority among blacks, and like Biko they want a place where their own voices can be heard. Who can blame them?Replies: @Bernie, @Achmed E. Newman
I can blame them. Whites didn’t create Harvard so blacks can hear their own voices. There are many HBCUs (funded by white taxpayers) where blacks can only hear black voices.
So, what to do about it?Replies: @Meretricious, @Yngvar
the good news is corporations are wise to the affirmative action Negro agenda and its expense. yes, they may hire a few–but if Tyrone or Shevreeka doesn’t perform (assuming they are not in HR), it’s out the door with them.
Personally, I’d love to have some generational intellectual property mailbox money too. Let’s see … My grandfather was the great Roentgen’s delivery boy at the lens factory back in the 1890s when the scientist was inventing the X-ray machine for which he won the first Nobel Prize in Physics. Therefore, I should get a penny for every X-ray taken in the world each year.
I say:
People with blood ancestry who fought on the colonial side in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire want muh muh muh mailbox money too!
The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will certainly make a distinction between citizens and foreigners and I have decided that old stocker Americans — or part old stocker Americans — should get a hundred thousand dollar bounty for having blood ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire. For each ancestor who fought against the British Empire you’ll get one hundred thousand dollars. I’ll get at least three hundred thousand dollars for my ancestors who fought in the American Colonial Secessionary War from the British Empire.
Obama is SAR good to go for at least a hundred grand on his mother’s side.
Muh mailbox money; muh equity money; muh Fed-created asset bubble money.
Muh chickens are coming home to roost.
Anybody else ever see a whole flock of fat turkeys roosting in a leafless oak tree? Terence Malick moment. Ever see a series of asset bubbles purposely imploded to stamp out inflation? Hyman Minsky Moment.
Minsky Moment is Muh Muh Muh Muthaphucking coming round the mountain when she comes.
Harvard is only 7% black but 12% international students. Look it up. collegeresults.org
The percentage of high school seniors who graduated in 2022 who are black is greater than 7%.
Abugov Senior is a Canadian who went to Concordia University in Montreal. Not as nice as McGill, its cross town rival. More like City College in NYC.
Their number must be vanishingly tiny.Replies: @guest007, @ginger bread man, @The Last Real Calvinist, @HammerJack
Harvard does not have athletic scholarships but does give athletes an admission advantage. Considering the number of Lacrosse players come from expensive prep schools, the parents will still be paying the bills.
While judging science fairs, I have met a couple of such students. They were very sharp and had parents who were the definition of knowledge workers.
A good way to tell how a university feels about affirmative action is to see if there are “fire walls” for certain degrees, colleges, programs. The University of Michigan and the University of Texas-Austin have separate admission standards for their college of engineering. Johns Hopkins has separate admission standards for each program. Indiana University has separate standards for its College of Business. When a university has fire walls to keep some students out of certain majors, that university is sending a clear message of what it thinks about affirmative action.
“The most a Jew had to work as forced labor was around 3-4 years during WW2, as opposed to the centuries that slavery existed in the Americas.”
Excellent point. However, it’s the old ‘rental car’ problem. How well do you treat a car you own vs. one you’re planning to set on fire?
The mainstream of black culture has eschewed "respectability politics" in favor of a radical politics which emphasizes the salience of events from hundreds of years past as grounds to indict the nation as a whole and extort spoils.
Barack Obama was a strange figure in that he was able to simultaneously pantomime "respectability" politics to whites while signalling that he was an adherent of radical racial politics to blacks and other minorities.
I tend to think that "respectability politics" became a dead letter by the end of the second Obama term, and that #BLM is proof that it is never coming back. The argument of #BLM is that blacks can't be expected not to commit street crimes, and therefore enforcing the law has a disproportionate effect upon them insofar as an outsized number of black street criminals will die as the result of a police interaction (without regard for how the criminal behaves during the police interaction relative to the norm).You must have missed the memo - in the 1990s the rationale for affirmative action changed on the fly from restoring opportunities to blacks as compensation for past wrongs to "diversity" which is an unalloyed good which benefits all persons in a given educational institution or workplace.
My guess is that opening up affirmative action to everyone but white men (and later, Asians) served to obscure the fact that it wasn't actually yielding lasting benefits that were proposed - the benefited blacks got well paid sinecures but their kids reverted to the mean. Simultaneously, making affirmative action a "good" for everyone (including the people it unjustly excludes) removes it from consideration when talking about how to remediate the position of American blacks in society - you can't now say "you blacks got forty years of affirmative action, that's your reparations." They can now allege that affirmative action was for everyone's good, and that since many more groups than blacks received it (and since it made no fundamental change to blacks' circumstances) they still need cash payments.Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Chris Renner, @bro3886
Interesting discussion.
One of the problems with the discussions on reparations is:
Many whites think Affirmative Action has been a form of reparations for blacks (and American Indians)
In reality, white women have been the primary recipients of Affirmative Action.
Also, a lot of Affirmative Action is given to all sorts of immigrants and their children.
For example, an Asian Indian can use a minority SBA loan for a motel or convenience store. There are some Asian Indians attending college for free on minority scholarships around here. And Asian Indians have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the US.
It is hard to discuss Affirmative Action when the expectations and the reality are often different.
immigrants or the children of immigrants; these groups compose 13 percent of the U.S. black population.
Do non-Harvard American blacks know they’re being replaced, too? I wonder what the proportions of African and Caribbean are.
“In reality, white women have been the primary recipients of Affirmative Action.”
Please tell me the name of ONE white female Harvard Law graduate as dumb as Michelle Obama or Alvin Bragg. Yes, while white women are AA recipients, they are nowhere IN NEED OF affirmative action like our sub-Saharan brethren
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERz7efTEtQIReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @bomag
“Blacks are simply boring with their identity obsession.”
That’s all they gots.
Always this talk about space. And turning adjectives into nouns. Privilege as though it were a thing, had substance. There’s some insanity here. Depersonalizing her walk through life, she’s detached. She speaks as though she were touristing through alien territory and delivering a commentary on the scenery. Labeling it instead of living it.
Don’t engage with these people. They’re insane and will drag you into their madness. The whole problem today is that these people are listened to at all. A sane society would ignore them. Or institutionalize them. The dream and pretend world of the mad. We shut down our insane asylums so now Harvard et al. have taken on the job.
Speaking as a Cherokee with a very small amount of Indian blood, no, this is different.
I belong to the same tribe as many of the full bloods (there are several Cherokee tribes). We have common ancestry within what is now the United States. Our ancestors fought the same battles. We had the same land taken from us by white Americans.
Nigerians and Jamaicans on the other hand may have common ancestry with black Americans, but that ancestry would back in Africa.
The way dark skinned American blacks might resent very pale blacks who still get affirmative action is comparable to how a full blood Cherokee might resent someone like me.
Since I am neither a full blooded Indian nor a dark skinned black I don’t really know how they feel.
My Aunt Judy (RIP), with pale skin, blue eyes, and flaming red hair used to say she had Cherokee blood. Her two brothers, Jack and my dad, just silently shook their heads.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Paleo Liberal
You should just transfer $500 from your checking account to your savings account and call it even.
As usual, American blegs are the last to realize when they are being bamboozled. Ask not for whom the Great Replacement tolls, it tolls for thee, homey.
Harvard will happily replace troublesome Legacy Blacks ( much better than ‘generational’ ) with wealthier and generally better-behaved Africans. Along those lines, A relative’s girlfriend got some extravagant scholarship for Latinx students from Yale and she’s no Jenny from the block; as white as Queen Isabella, and twice as rich.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/60332-jennifer-lopez-was-spotted-without-bronzer-and-she-is-surprisingly-really-pale-but-still-flawless
“but it just could be that George Floyd has more impact on the present than Emmett Till.”
Time to change bodies.
"She took the water from the well,
The last thing she would ever do,
The elephant came charging in,
And turned her into vindaloo.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
It's not enough he stomped her once,
He had to know her prospects were dire,
But elephants can soon forget,
So he snatched her body off the pyre.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
[Five-minute sitar solo]
Coda: You know it's not the thing to do,
Don't want to come home in a box,
If Dumbo comes around for you,
Make sure that you have changed the locks.
Final chorus: Elephants have feelings too,
Don't want to live inside a zoo,
There's nothing there for them to do,
The sanctuary smells of poo,
They'd rather be in Kathmandu,
You know they're just like me and...you."Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Buffalo Joe
Is this a Gary original, or a parody of an existing song? Either way, nice work!
I was making my way through the early seasons and remarked on the near absolute absence of blacks and other non-whites in the story. I think I counted two blacks in the first four or five years - one was an old teammate of Sam Malone, and the other a co-worker of Cliff Clavin at the USPS. I don't recall whether the former had any speaking lines. It was "one and done" for both characters - one episode and out.
It was so refreshing not to see forced diversity for its own sake. You would expect a neighborhood bar in Boston in the 1980s to be populated by white workers and patrons. That sort of thing used to be OK, and carried with it no sinister undertones.
* I propose that Cheers was the first prominent "show about nothing" well before Seinfeld.Replies: @Ryan Andrews, @Bill Jones
The Black mailman was in it at least twice—might have been a season or two apart.
I never got exactly how Seinfeld is a show about nothing; it’s about a comedian who lives in New York who has a friend, a neighbor, and an ex-girlfriend, and they are like four middle-aged adolescents who have zany adventures together. What distinguishes it is how ironic and insincere it all is (not that that’s a bad thing). In that way, Cheers is very different, as it has a ton of heart. And it has much more darkness. Though I agree it does have Seinfeldian elements, like conversations that have nothing to do with the driving the plot or setting up punchlines, or petty concerns overshadowing real life (though most comedic storytelling does that, Seinfeld and Cheers take it to the nth degree).
Both were great shows. Ted Danson’s portrayal of Sam Malone is criminally underrated, and I’d rank Diane and George, along with Niles Crane, as the best sitcom characters of all time.
I belong to the same tribe as many of the full bloods (there are several Cherokee tribes). We have common ancestry within what is now the United States. Our ancestors fought the same battles. We had the same land taken from us by white Americans.
Nigerians and Jamaicans on the other hand may have common ancestry with black Americans, but that ancestry would back in Africa.
The way dark skinned American blacks might resent very pale blacks who still get affirmative action is comparable to how a full blood Cherokee might resent someone like me.
Since I am neither a full blooded Indian nor a dark skinned black I don’t really know how they feel.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @The Anti-Gnostic
“Speaking as a Cherokee …”
My Aunt Judy (RIP), with pale skin, blue eyes, and flaming red hair used to say she had Cherokee blood. Her two brothers, Jack and my dad, just silently shook their heads.
“the laboriously accumulated privileges of Majority institutions were distributed gratis to members of other races and cultures, who accepted them as a matter of course, often with a show of ingratitude, and then used them for purposes entirely different from those for which they had been intended.”
If anything, Africans seem to hate us less than American blacks.Replies: @Anon, @duncsbaby
“If anything, Africans seem to hate us less than American blacks.”
For now. Some Dot Indians seem to think America, which never colonized India, must pay for Britain’s alleged colonial crimes. No doubt some Nigerian in America is writing a think piece right now about how America must pay for Britain’s alleged colonial crimes in Africa, too. I don’t think third worlders (or blacks, our resident third worlders) are capable of feeling gratitude toward whites.
Whoever read that whole thing, my hat’s off to you
"She took the water from the well,
The last thing she would ever do,
The elephant came charging in,
And turned her into vindaloo.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
It's not enough he stomped her once,
He had to know her prospects were dire,
But elephants can soon forget,
So he snatched her body off the pyre.
Elephants have feelings, too
Elephants have feelings, too
You know they're just like me and...you.
[Five-minute sitar solo]
Coda: You know it's not the thing to do,
Don't want to come home in a box,
If Dumbo comes around for you,
Make sure that you have changed the locks.
Final chorus: Elephants have feelings too,
Don't want to live inside a zoo,
There's nothing there for them to do,
The sanctuary smells of poo,
They'd rather be in Kathmandu,
You know they're just like me and...you."Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Buffalo Joe
Gary, too funny!
Their number must be vanishingly tiny.Replies: @guest007, @ginger bread man, @The Last Real Calvinist, @HammerJack
Princeton is rare because there were many of those there. Usually Einstein level genius types studying math, physics or engineering. If you include white immigrants, there were many from Eastern Europe who were extremely gifted in math and science and will probably go on to become professors at some point.
It doesn’t have to be a straight cross. American blacks have odd % of white genes because there have been crosses and recrosses over many generations.
Diversity is not a strength but a source of continual contention and conflict.
They are at Harvard. A very elite "elite space", but ... they need to whine and pout because it's not really their elite space.Everyone would be happier--certainly more psychologically grounded/normal--just running their own patch.
2) Immigration just debunks the whole minoritarian "oppression" narrative.
Revealed preference: Why the hell are all these Nigerians showing up here to "contend within spaces historical structured by white supremacy"? Uh ... um ... colonialism! Uh "white supremacy" stole all the African gravy, so we had to come here to get it back.
3) Minoritarianism is parasitism.
Or just a cover for parasitism.
Can--Do. But their energy and focus is all about how to loot the white host.and4) Jewish ideology still rules.Immigration--I'm constantly told by media Jews--is a core Jewish value. This makes sense, you have made yourself unwelcome in place A, but place B have is humming, so you want to leave place A and go middle man in place B. But eventually place B slows down, or you make yourself unwelcome there, while the natives of place C have built it into something great ... you want to decamp from place B and go middle manning and rent seeking in place C. It is a moral right!In contrast, while well-placed blacks have their affirmative action rent to collect--and more is wanted!--actual American black interests are pretty much the same as other--especially working class--Americans. Employment at good wages, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, decent schools, less congestion, and an uncrowded and healthy environment. And generally being able to turn your share of all that--and a continuously improving America--over to your children. The largest share possible, not chopped up and diluted to nothingness. Continuing immigration is destructive--very destructive--to all of that.Not only are Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants stealing more and more of the DOAS blacks affirmative action rent--the tension driving this piece--all immigration is stealing away black Americans relative position, opportunities, prospects, future--probably even faster than for white Americans.But ... you can't say that! That would be whatever ... undermining the solidarity in the great minoritarian jihad against the white golem. You read this piece, there's no doubt who is still ideologically in charge of "the left".Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @tyrone, @megabar, @Charon
> Immigration–I’m constantly told by media Jews–is a core Jewish value.
I think it’s plausible that a group that has historically found itself as an outsider group within another population will develop traits that allow it to navigate and be comfortable within that space.
On the other hand, that does seem to be rather niche and specific thing for evolution to promote.
On the third hand, evolution often surprises.
13 percent of the US black population makes up 41 percent of Harvard’s black population. Huh.
I guess you could say that they’re concerned about that 13% being statistically overrepresented…
One of the problems with the discussions on reparations is:
Many whites think Affirmative Action has been a form of reparations for blacks (and American Indians)
In reality, white women have been the primary recipients of Affirmative Action.
Also, a lot of Affirmative Action is given to all sorts of immigrants and their children.
For example, an Asian Indian can use a minority SBA loan for a motel or convenience store. There are some Asian Indians attending college for free on minority scholarships around here. And Asian Indians have the highest per capita income of any ethnic group in the US.
It is hard to discuss Affirmative Action when the expectations and the reality are often different.Replies: @Ryan Andrews
The basis behind this idiotic lie has never been explained to me. I assume the reasoning behind it is that women are a protected ‘minority,’ and since this protection does not explicitly exclude women who happen to be White (this being a White supremacist country, and all), and since there are more White women in academia and business than any other minority, ergo they are the primary beneficiary of affirmative action. But that’s ridiculous. There simply more White women in the country, and their qualifications, on average, are better than those of any other minority, except Asians.
There is a very easy way to test which group is the primary beneficiary of affirmative action: divide the ratio of students at the most prestigious universities belonging to each group by that group’s ratio of top-performing students in high school. The answer, Obviously, is Blacks. At Harvard, for instance, they are something like 30-35 times over-represented, relative to their objective merits. That seems like a lot.
My understanding is the rationale is based on the following two facts.
1. White women are eligible for affirmative action.
2. White women are better represented in the job market than other eligible groups.
This Vox article seems to be the biggest popularizer of the idea. Their reasoning seems rather specious to me, but take a look for yourself.
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action
The rest of your comment said something very similar to my point. The way I think about it is looking at the effect of affirmative action for each group in two areas.
1. The number of people involved.
2. The average "benefit" per person. Put differently, how big a thumb on the scale was needed to get the person the job given their other qualifications.
I think given that, it is clear that though affirmative action for white women MIGHT affect many people their relative competitiveness in the job market means the overall total benefit for the group is not as large as some other groups. And in particular, the per capita benefit (i.e. 2, which seems like the more relevant metric) is smaller than for other groups.
Here is a 2006 paper which came to a rather different conclusion from the "conventional wisdom" which you quoted (looking at six southern cities).
https://spia.uga.edu/faculty_pages/rbakker/pdfs/affirmativeAction.pdfAlso
You guys are right on that, and I have seen Ann Coulter write this (as has iSteve here) a number of times. Thank you for this, Charon and Anonymous #182.
Where I do not agree is on the big picture on all of this stuff. (That’s why I’d rather see an “erroneous” “ADOS” check box and check it, if it were to help me out.) It’s like this: I’m not playing this game.
I’ve joked about this, such as in the blog post “Peak Stupidity Reparations Plan”, but to get serious, look, I have never owned slaves. Besides a few immigrants who “don’t know any better” cause, multiculturalism. NOBODY in America owns slaves or ever has! You all know that. Even if my great-great-great-grandfather has 500 slaves in his huge cotton plantation in Vicksburg, Mississippi, I would not owe any black person one cent for what he did in 1850.
No black person alive today is a slave or has EVER been a slave. Actually I should qualify that and say none of the DOAS have ever been a slave, while there may be a few ADOS who actually have been, in Mali or the remote shitholes of the Middle East somewhere. The former are not owed a damn thing for what happened to any of their great-great-whatever-grandfathers/mothers in 1850.
Do sins of the fathers get paid for by the sons? Is that how it works now? That’s moronic, and you all know that, so STOP PLAYING THEIR GAME! YOU HAVE NO WAY OF WINNING.
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Fuckin’ A!
No black person alive today is a slave or has EVER been a slave, see https://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20140505-boko-haram-nigeria-kidnapping-slavery-sex-trade: "We take a look at reactions to the announcement by Boko Haram that their kidnapping of over 200 schoolgirls in the north of Nigeria could now see the captives sold as slaves"Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
How many ‘white’ organizations do you suppose there are at Harvard?
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From investment advisor I have talked to, most of them have 401(k)s and IRAs still heavily invested in stocks even as they spend these accounts down in retirement. It will be interesting to see how much damage inflation and the current market downturn does to their account balances.Replies: @prosa123
Boomers have to be willing to start distributing assets to their heirs before they get to the nursing home if they want to pass them on at all. A fair number will do it, but plenty of others will hold assets and spend wondering why their kids aren’t as successful as they were.
It’s not so much nursing homes that devour inheritances as assisted living centers. They typically cost several thousand dollars a month, and people tend to stay in them for much longer periods of time than nursing homes. A common means of funding nursing homes is to distribute assets to one’s heirs and then wait three years before applying for Medicaid and entering the nursing home. By waiting that period of time (not always possible, to be sure) the assets in the hands of the heirs are untouchable. Even if there’s no distribution of assets, nursing home stays are often short enough that inheritances aren’t excessively depleted.
That won’t work with assisted living centers, however, as they don’t take Medicaid and must be paid out of one’s assets. Purchasing long term care insurance may be an option, but the policies are expensive unless obtained when one is fairly young and in any event they are full of limitations and exclusions.
I was making my way through the early seasons and remarked on the near absolute absence of blacks and other non-whites in the story. I think I counted two blacks in the first four or five years - one was an old teammate of Sam Malone, and the other a co-worker of Cliff Clavin at the USPS. I don't recall whether the former had any speaking lines. It was "one and done" for both characters - one episode and out.
It was so refreshing not to see forced diversity for its own sake. You would expect a neighborhood bar in Boston in the 1980s to be populated by white workers and patrons. That sort of thing used to be OK, and carried with it no sinister undertones.
* I propose that Cheers was the first prominent "show about nothing" well before Seinfeld.Replies: @Ryan Andrews, @Bill Jones
Wasn’t most of the 50’s and 60’s TV shows about nothing?
I love Lucy?
The Honeymooners?
Leave it to Beaver?
What (a) broken, useless people…
George W Bush has a degree from Harvard Business School.
George W Bush pronounced Qatar like “cutter.”
George W Bush used his fake phony fraudulent Southern accent in saying the name Qatar.
The Bush Organized Crime Syndicate had extensive dealings with Qatar.
I think it's plausible that a group that has historically found itself as an outsider group within another population will develop traits that allow it to navigate and be comfortable within that space.
On the other hand, that does seem to be rather niche and specific thing for evolution to promote.
On the third hand, evolution often surprises.Replies: @quewin
On the fourth hand, the “population” doesn’t have to put up with (the antics of) the “outsider group.”
Think of what our society could accomplish if we didn’t fixate so obsessively on race…Replies: @quewin
Q: Where would America be without Black People?
A: Mars.
They hate you and want your people destroyed.Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Shel100
Who are they?
O.T
Julee Cruise have died at age 64.
Mr. Sailer pointed me to more of her works was beside with Mr. Badalamenti. Thanks.
One thing that is commonly ignored is that most of the Founding Fathers were descendants of upper class landed immigrants, or at worst the mercantile class, rather than proles. Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.Replies: @Prester John, @Hibernian, @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar
This was true of Virginia and other southern colonies. New England, not so much, although they didn’t encourage the dregs of society to come over. I’m not sure about the Middle Colonies.
OT — Our Dumb Navy — someone drove their car on a basketball court on a naval base. Repairing the court will cost \$150,000. That’s because this isn’t a rectangle of concrete or asphalt with stencilled painted lines and some high-mounted hoops. This court has special rubbery tiles which is I guess closer to a hardwood floor.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vandal-leaves-naval-air-station-with-over-100-000-in-damage-in-lemoore/ar-AAYq7tz
$150, 000 for an outside basketball court? The only entity that could possibly be so extravagant and wasteful is our government. You could easily cut 25% of it’s budget if we had people who were accountable. It’s just a racket.
One thing that is commonly ignored is that most of the Founding Fathers were descendants of upper class landed immigrants, or at worst the mercantile class, rather than proles. Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.Replies: @Prester John, @Hibernian, @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar
The Founding Fathers did not prosecute the revolution by themselves and depended on an ideologically informed lower level; this is what was happening in the taverns and coffeehouses, and why the Federalist Papers were written. Not sure how the foreign parallels support the argument. Many French and “Russian” revolutionaries were bourgeois or something like lords. Learning twaddle requires comfort. Almost none were lower class and none except … hmmm … Pol Pot had like one guy who was truly poor growing up.
A Chinese student told me of the meeting of Chou and Khrushchev. The latter said he was the more authentic, as his father was a laborer while Chou's was bourgeois. Chou replied that this description of their fathers was true- and that both had betrayed their classes.
I'm not sure if this was related as history or a joke.
Uh… I have a question?
The Black African Industrialists who, without them, the Atlantic slave trade would have been absolutely impossible? You know those guys? How do we identify their heirs for possible reparations money, since primary accountability lies with them? Also, we need to figure out how much money to demand of slave-accumulation-for-sale regions like Nigeria and Angola. How do we go about that?
And no fair claiming they were silly black savages, so they didn’t know any better. Many, many Boss Negro’s of those regions raked in an absurd amount of money selling off their own countrymen to the highest bidder.
If the “primitive savages” were smart enough to industrialize that, they are now smart enough to begin rewarding the countrymen they sold for coin, with coin, to the huge mass of countrymen they victimized.
If countries such as Nigeria refuses, I propose we train and equip an all black military to attack countries such as Nigeria, and strip it if it’s title by force, and reincarnate it as a new ethno-state of former American blacks, with their own modern constitution,, allowing American blacks to “return home” to their new country, educated in our modern western ways, to eventually reign over a new, and successful African continent, with no unsolicited meddling, and all the encouragement from the white people they leave behind for good back in the United States.
It’s quite obvious blacks will never reach their full potential with another race operating as some kind of middle-man, white, Asian, Latino or otherwise. Blacks obviously are most content among themselves. Everybody knows this.
I’d be all for paying a little bit more in taxes to activate this plan.
I wouldn’t refer to it as such, rather, I’d call it, “the road back home” declaration.
Imagine what American-trained and raised black people could achieve in Africa. They just need one more chance. My plan gives them what they deserve!
Please share this missive with a black person you know.
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I'd do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.Replies: @Charon, @Anonymous, @guest007, @Ron Mexico, @Cool Daddy Jimbo
Newman, my son and 3 of his lifelong friends (white boys) just graduated hs; not a single one going to college. They are all smart kids, but especially because they don’t feel the need to go into debt, while dealing with woke bs on campuses. My boy is doing construction and plans on later going to trade school for electrician trade after making some bank.
Yes, but it’s where they gain it that’s important. For example, do their breasts get bigger? Someone should find this out.
Found an image of her, she’s rather on the white/light side of the black spectrum as one would probably imagine…
https://iop.harvard.edu/get-involved/internships-careers/directors-internship-program/past-directors-interns/2020
Insofar as a future, I can’t imagine anyone having more opportunities than her.Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
gg: generational grifters
Their number must be vanishingly tiny.Replies: @guest007, @ginger bread man, @The Last Real Calvinist, @HammerJack
8. Born male, and still is, 9. Heterosexual, or at least not an outspoken ‘advocate’ of gayness
They hate you and want your people destroyed.Replies: @North Carolina Resident, @Shel100
They somehow believe white civilization can continue without white people to leach on.
Until they don't, because they find out that the houses are multiple mortgaged and cash-out-refied 87 million different ways to Sunday, and even if it's not, the house's equity was used as collateral for someone's long term or senior care expenses.Replies: @Barnard, @Shel100
Or the house used to exist in a nice neighborhood that has since become diversified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERz7efTEtQIReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @bomag
No matter what we do, or what they get, it will never fucking end. NEVER.
Sounds like they really believe white people are somewhere plotting evila wful things for them 24/7. Reality is we don’t much care. And don;t think about this at all except hopoin someday the whoining would come to an end. But it won’t.
You can not use the word they use like a pronoun (and not that I want to). But greater sin in 2022 America would be to tell them to control of your own lives, exercise agency to you own actions, clean up the mess that is Tha Community and above all shut the fuck up.
I belong to the same tribe as many of the full bloods (there are several Cherokee tribes). We have common ancestry within what is now the United States. Our ancestors fought the same battles. We had the same land taken from us by white Americans.
Nigerians and Jamaicans on the other hand may have common ancestry with black Americans, but that ancestry would back in Africa.
The way dark skinned American blacks might resent very pale blacks who still get affirmative action is comparable to how a full blood Cherokee might resent someone like me.
Since I am neither a full blooded Indian nor a dark skinned black I don’t really know how they feel.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @The Anti-Gnostic
If you’re a light-skinned black then you have substantial amounts of European ancestry as well. So “we” were enslaved by “we” who fought against “we” and took land from “we.”
You should just transfer \$500 from your checking account to your savings account and call it even.
Their number must be vanishingly tiny.Replies: @guest007, @ginger bread man, @The Last Real Calvinist, @HammerJack
The Ivy League doesn’t offer athletic scholarships but we’re way down in single digits before you even get as far as #4.
Is there still a brown bag test?
That’s doable. There are lots of black single moms out there, and, if they would live off the WIC and TANF money, they could give their 10 year-olds enough allowance for them to buy slaves before they graduate Middle School. Who will they buy? Not my problem, but it’s a hell of an investment even if they get a lazy black deadbeat.
OK, in all seriousness, yes, that’s true:
Now GAAs at Harvard are finding that they are outnumbered by foreign blacks and mixed-race "exotics". They find themselves a minority among blacks, and like Biko they want a place where their own voices can be heard. Who can blame them?Replies: @Bernie, @Achmed E. Newman
I can. Why do they need their voice to be heard? This is library. Shut up and study.
“My grandfather was the great Roentgen’s delivery boy at the lens factory back in the 1890s when the scientist was inventing the X-ray machine for which he won the first Nobel Prize in Physics. Therefore, I should get a penny for every X-ray taken in the world each year.”
Wait, Steve, is that true? My grandpa helped rescue Patton when he was wounded in World War I, so I guess I should get . . . women. I should get women, preferably blonde, from Germany.
I like the ADOS approach much better. It calls a spade a spade. They don’t want people riding on their coattails to get benefits they didn’t earn and if I were them, I wouldn’t either.
e people saying all blacks against the world is the way to go enforces a false sameness among the descendants of American slaves, recent immigrants and foreign students who happen to be black. Despite what people may claim, they are far from being the same.
One thing driving this is the thought that all blacks should hang together to make advocacy more effective. That has blown up in the faces of American blacks as black politicians pushed for lots more immigration to have more people against whites. This has been an absolute disaster for American blacks as money and resources and jobs that could have gone to them went to newcomers instead and Hispanics have much more power than they do since their numbers are so much greater.
There are many issues where generational blacks’ interest match the interests of long term whites and not the interests of recent immigrants and their descendants. We should be working together when our interests are the same. I know many here won’t agree with me but that is how I see it. As there are fewer whites, we should look for the allies we can find. Some of them are minorities whose families have been here a long time.
“Seinfeld” was the most tightly plotted American sit-com ever to become a huge hit, like a British farce like “Noises Off.” American sit-coms are traditionally driven more by jokes and insults than by dense plot inventions.
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* I got the The Office DVDs from a girl on the street in China for $2 for 4 seasons and started watching them on my computer back home. I'm sure it was all on the up and up.
So, as much as Rob Reiner is mocked here, we can thank him for Seinfeld becoming what it became, as those first few seasons were God awful.
Jason Alexander Compares Jan. 6 Committee Hearings to ‘Seinfeld,’ Insists — Sincerely — That Viewers Tune In
Britney Spears' ex Jason Alexander charged with stalking her at wedding
Arlo Guthrie said that when his father blew into Greenwich Village from the Dust Bowl, fellow revolutionaries were in awe of him. He was that rare specimen– the Real Thing.
A Chinese student told me of the meeting of Chou and Khrushchev. The latter said he was the more authentic, as his father was a laborer while Chou’s was bourgeois. Chou replied that this description of their fathers was true- and that both had betrayed their classes.
I’m not sure if this was related as history or a joke.
One thing that is commonly ignored is that most of the Founding Fathers were descendants of upper class landed immigrants, or at worst the mercantile class, rather than proles. Big difference between the US revolution and the revolutions of France or Russia.Replies: @Prester John, @Hibernian, @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar
Yet they found suckers to buy them.
The mainstream of black culture has eschewed "respectability politics" in favor of a radical politics which emphasizes the salience of events from hundreds of years past as grounds to indict the nation as a whole and extort spoils.
Barack Obama was a strange figure in that he was able to simultaneously pantomime "respectability" politics to whites while signalling that he was an adherent of radical racial politics to blacks and other minorities.
I tend to think that "respectability politics" became a dead letter by the end of the second Obama term, and that #BLM is proof that it is never coming back. The argument of #BLM is that blacks can't be expected not to commit street crimes, and therefore enforcing the law has a disproportionate effect upon them insofar as an outsized number of black street criminals will die as the result of a police interaction (without regard for how the criminal behaves during the police interaction relative to the norm).You must have missed the memo - in the 1990s the rationale for affirmative action changed on the fly from restoring opportunities to blacks as compensation for past wrongs to "diversity" which is an unalloyed good which benefits all persons in a given educational institution or workplace.
My guess is that opening up affirmative action to everyone but white men (and later, Asians) served to obscure the fact that it wasn't actually yielding lasting benefits that were proposed - the benefited blacks got well paid sinecures but their kids reverted to the mean. Simultaneously, making affirmative action a "good" for everyone (including the people it unjustly excludes) removes it from consideration when talking about how to remediate the position of American blacks in society - you can't now say "you blacks got forty years of affirmative action, that's your reparations." They can now allege that affirmative action was for everyone's good, and that since many more groups than blacks received it (and since it made no fundamental change to blacks' circumstances) they still need cash payments.Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Chris Renner, @bro3886
This actually happened much earlier – in 1978, when the Supreme Court decided the Bakke case – though like everything else it obviously took time to trickle through academia and into the corporate world. Basically, “diversity” was the only rationale that could get 5 justices’ votes to keep affirmative action alive.
I love Lucy?
The Honeymooners?
Leave it to Beaver?Replies: @James Speaks, @J.Ross
Low key racial subtext. Lucy always got into trouble; Ricky was always there to bail her out and tell her how much he loved her.
Audrey Meadows either loved Ralph despite his failings, or was stuck in the marriage. His pathos was endearing and in the end, we all felt for him. Ed Norton was the magic neighbor who is above the fray.
Morality play. Beaver understood the complexities of life.
"Low key racial subtext. Lucy always got into trouble; Ricky was always there to bail her out and tell her how much he loved her."
That's surface. Ball was one of the greatest physical comedians of all time, and the show featured her skills. Meanwhile Desi was also funny as hell.
The Honeymooners?
"Audrey Meadows either loved Ralph despite his failings, or was stuck in the marriage. His pathos was endearing and in the end, we all felt for him. Ed Norton was the magic neighbor who is above the fray." Really a story about lower middle class family struggling with good friends and good marriages
Leave it to Beaver?
"Morality play. Beaver understood the complexities of life."
You're simplifying. It was a comedyReplies: @James Speaks, @anarchyst
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vandal-leaves-naval-air-station-with-over-100-000-in-damage-in-lemoore/ar-AAYq7tzReplies: @Bernard, @guest007
This is a crime twice over.
\$150, 000 for an outside basketball court? The only entity that could possibly be so extravagant and wasteful is our government. You could easily cut 25% of it’s budget if we had people who were accountable. It’s just a racket.
Jacks and Blews.
https://iop.harvard.edu/get-involved/internships-careers/directors-internship-program/past-directors-interns/2020
https://iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/styles/medium_headshot/public/sources/di/unnamed-1%20-%20Josie%20Abugov.jpg?itok=oKuWCiusReplies: @Bernard, @Nicholas Stix, @duncsbaby
At what point do you relinquish your black identity? If someone were to walk by the young lady pictured, they wouldn’t see a black person, at least I don’t.
Insofar as a future, I can’t imagine anyone having more opportunities than her.
She is about 9% to 14% Black, which is more non-White than the typical “Native American” who gets affirmative action.
The average Cherokee tribe member is genetically less than 3% Native American. Regardless they get the same level of affirmative action if they are just 1% Indian as a “full blooded” Indian who may be 29% Indian. It is extremely rare to find a full blooded Indian who is genetically over 30% Indian.
Don’t think it’s many Tyrone’s or Shevreeka’s coming out of HiEd, and as you say, corpo are wary of hiring the rest in management positions. But still — griefing about hair and micro-aggressions etc isn’t very productive anywhere, but that mindset is seeping in everywhere black graduates are hired.
A foot must be set down, but how?
“Insincere”? There was never a more truthful line uttered than Jerry’s, “95 out of 100 people are undatable.”
Granted, I, personally, am only a small percentage black but I deserve my reparations check as much as you do
…as a Luxembourger (Moselfranke) my percentage of blackness is lesser still but undeniably must continue to be present, since not so long ago (+/- 40.000 years) my ancestors came from Africa and were black. So where is MY reparations check?
Agree but for this:
No black person alive today is a slave or has EVER been a slave, see https://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20140505-boko-haram-nigeria-kidnapping-slavery-sex-trade: “We take a look at reactions to the announcement by Boko Haram that their kidnapping of over 200 schoolgirls in the north of Nigeria could now see the captives sold as slaves”
My Aunt Judy (RIP), with pale skin, blue eyes, and flaming red hair used to say she had Cherokee blood. Her two brothers, Jack and my dad, just silently shook their heads.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Paleo Liberal
Let we forget: Bill Clinton claimed 1/16 Cherokee blood (By comparison, Elizabeth “Gray Beaver” Warren only claimed 1/32.)
That’s the way it must go, Ron. Thanks. If they want more of a challenge and something even cooler later on, perhaps they could later gain electrical or mechanical engineering knowledge from on-line courses. Those are worth going to college for, but the wokeness, as I wrote, would cause trouble for me too.
I liked how there would be 4 story lines, one for each of these characters, and they’d mostly come together at the end. Seinfeld and The Office, different in character types and in the depiction of lifestyles, were the 2 funniest shows I’ve every seen, by far. Then again, I’ve had no TV for 23 years running, and I don’t miss it*.
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* I got the The Office DVDs from a girl on the street in China for \$2 for 4 seasons and started watching them on my computer back home. I’m sure it was all on the up and up.
I love Lucy?
The Honeymooners?
Leave it to Beaver?Replies: @James Speaks, @J.Ross
You now realize that Bob Newhart did a show about nothing three different times and always with his name as the title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3ee2dyU50
You should really get out more. I would say most of the Africans making their way to the U.S. are low-caste. The immigrants themselves are definitely a bit more well-behaved than native-American blacks but their kids act more like American blacks which is who they use as role-models. Come out to Fargo for a week and have a look around (during the summer), it’s not just Somalis who are sprinkled throughout the county, my guess is over-all there’s a lot more West Africans but since they come from different countries they aren’t counted as a single entity. Nigerians, Ghanaians, Liberians, Congolese (hell I met a guy from Cote d’Ivorie one time) as well as Sudanese all have a solid foot-holds out here and they aren’t going anywhere and there is more every day. Plus they have lots of kids.
You are right, the word, “caste” is a buzzword amongst the black psued0-intellectuals for the last decade or so, but we ain’t getting the high-caste from Africa in middle America.
“the laboriously accumulated privileges of Majority institutions were distributed gratis to members of other races and cultures, who accepted them as a matter of course, often with a show of ingratitude, and then used them for purposes entirely different from those for which they had been intended.”
If anything, Africans seem to hate us less than American blacks.Replies: @Anon, @duncsbaby
Not their kids.
Diversity is not a strength but a source of continual contention and conflict.
They are at Harvard. A very elite "elite space", but ... they need to whine and pout because it's not really their elite space.Everyone would be happier--certainly more psychologically grounded/normal--just running their own patch.
2) Immigration just debunks the whole minoritarian "oppression" narrative.
Revealed preference: Why the hell are all these Nigerians showing up here to "contend within spaces historical structured by white supremacy"? Uh ... um ... colonialism! Uh "white supremacy" stole all the African gravy, so we had to come here to get it back.
3) Minoritarianism is parasitism.
Or just a cover for parasitism.
Can--Do. But their energy and focus is all about how to loot the white host.and4) Jewish ideology still rules.Immigration--I'm constantly told by media Jews--is a core Jewish value. This makes sense, you have made yourself unwelcome in place A, but place B have is humming, so you want to leave place A and go middle man in place B. But eventually place B slows down, or you make yourself unwelcome there, while the natives of place C have built it into something great ... you want to decamp from place B and go middle manning and rent seeking in place C. It is a moral right!In contrast, while well-placed blacks have their affirmative action rent to collect--and more is wanted!--actual American black interests are pretty much the same as other--especially working class--Americans. Employment at good wages, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods, decent schools, less congestion, and an uncrowded and healthy environment. And generally being able to turn your share of all that--and a continuously improving America--over to your children. The largest share possible, not chopped up and diluted to nothingness. Continuing immigration is destructive--very destructive--to all of that.Not only are Nigerian and Caribbean immigrants stealing more and more of the DOAS blacks affirmative action rent--the tension driving this piece--all immigration is stealing away black Americans relative position, opportunities, prospects, future--probably even faster than for white Americans.But ... you can't say that! That would be whatever ... undermining the solidarity in the great minoritarian jihad against the white golem. You read this piece, there's no doubt who is still ideologically in charge of "the left".Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @tyrone, @megabar, @Charon
GOYIM not golem for God’s sake.
Just as nature abhors a vacuum, the central organizing principal of a society cannot be lies, 24/7, at the expense of the truth. The result is the loss of any "order" in "social order" as we see from the train shovers and pharmacy looters and mass shooters from New York to San Francisco.
And what is the general idea here? Blacks from anywhere in the world should get significant preferential treatment in admissions to prestigious universities because... their grades and test scores are going to be lower because they're too distracted by the fear of getting shot by white rednecks to properly concentrate on school work or test prep?Replies: @Charon
Sure, if you’re talking about a small town somewhere. In the largest cities (where I have lived) it’s more like 2 or 3 (or 10) per hour.
Just because it doesn’t make “the news” doesn’t mean it’s not happening IRL. Quite the contrary, actually.
The more unsophisticated the customer, the more susceptible to brand-name recognition.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/styles/profile_full/public/socialstudies/files/josette_abugov.jpgIf you are 20% black, do you get 20% of the full reparations check?Replies: @guest007, @SFG, @prosa123, @ScarletNumber
She is pretty, I will give her that much. Anyway while I wouldn’t say her father is famous per se, he is well known in sitcom circles. He is 62, making him 40 when she was born, which is old but not appreciably so. He also doesn’t have a Wikipedia page.
Ironically, Larry David was dragged into this kicking and screaming. If you watch the first couple of seasons of Seinfeld, they have the comic sensibility of the later seasons, but without the intricate plotlines. This changed because NBC threatened to cancel the show. Rob Reiner had to convince Larry David to actually include plot in his show. Larry was resistant because he didn’t want to turn Seinfeld “into The Lucy Show”.
So, as much as Rob Reiner is mocked here, we can thank him for Seinfeld becoming what it became, as those first few seasons were God awful.
The mentality of American blacks is summarized by two comedy scenes featuring Eddie Murphy:
1. “White Like Me” sketch on SNL, in which EM made up as a white guy, discovers that white people give each other things for free when blacks aren’t around to see it.
2. The scene in the movie Trading Places, in which EM’s character is told he now owns this mansion — but he’s still stealing things from this house because he doesn’t believe he owns it.
iSteve theme of black urban pathologies, such as gunfights at funerals of victims of previous gunfights, has gone international—specifically subcontinental—and, like monkeypox, has crossed the species barrier:
Elephant Attacks Funeral of Woman Killed by Elephant
https://nypost.com/2022/06/12/elephant-tramples-woman-to-death-then-attacks-her-corpse-at-funeral/
h/t: AnglinReplies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Reg Cæsar
Well, Tommy may not have cured cancer, but I understand he’s making a pretty good living selling pot oil online these days.
Scalia and Ginsberg, sittin’ in a tree…
“Requiem for Something or Other”
My Aunt Judy (RIP), with pale skin, blue eyes, and flaming red hair used to say she had Cherokee blood. Her two brothers, Jack and my dad, just silently shook their heads.Replies: @AceDeuce, @Paleo Liberal
Well, lucky for me I have tribal citizenship
You could ask the descendants of the indentured Irish immigrants, you know, had they lived long enough to produce descendants.
Of course, this assumes any White guy would really want to attend one of the Woke Indoctrination Centers to begin with. If anything, I'd do it only for the partying and the girls, but someone like me would get kicked out early on for raising hell against the wokeness in class. Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.Replies: @Charon, @Anonymous, @guest007, @Ron Mexico, @Cool Daddy Jimbo
“Luckily there was NONE of that when I attended, so I could learn Calculus in peace.”
I’m willing to bet no one quoted in that article ever took a calculus class.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gravityfalls/images/4/4c/S2e12_glass_shard_beach.png
Similarly, Bill Cosby did a sitcom around 1971 that had virtually no plots.
In contrast, “Seinfeld” required fanatical hard work on the scripts.
It’s true that by 1982 when I applied to college the pamphlets and stuff were already touting Diversity. I don’t think I’ve every made the connection with Bakke–or if I have, I’d forgotten it–but that of course makes perfect sense. Thanks.
Any rich white kid who brags about their college's diversity usually went to a school where whites were overrepresented.
I finally watched a couple of episodes of Leave It to Beaver a few years ago. It was fascinating: high quality didacticism. My impression is that it was aimed at upwardly mobile Americans from the working class who sincerely wanted to know how an admirable bourgeois family did things and the reasons why they did them.
Perhaps the Cosby Show was like that too? I only ever saw one episode of that. I can’t think of too many other sit-coms that managed to combine laughs with self-confident serious lessons.
Ditto The Rifleman--and Johnny Crawford's (RIP) recollections.
Two things. First, O’Sullivan? Wtf? Second, I can’t even imagine the lack of self-awareness required for a citizen of the US to think a person who grew up in Lagos or Port-au-Prince had an unfair advantage in educational opportunities.
Are there any towns with a fully “vanilla side?” There aren’t many. Most may not have a chocolate side but the vanilla side is mixed with cinnamon, curry, or five spice powder.
I love Lucy?
“Low key racial subtext. Lucy always got into trouble; Ricky was always there to bail her out and tell her how much he loved her.”
That’s surface. Ball was one of the greatest physical comedians of all time, and the show featured her skills. Meanwhile Desi was also funny as hell.
The Honeymooners?
“Audrey Meadows either loved Ralph despite his failings, or was stuck in the marriage. His pathos was endearing and in the end, we all felt for him. Ed Norton was the magic neighbor who is above the fray.” Really a story about lower middle class family struggling with good friends and good marriages
Leave it to Beaver?
“Morality play. Beaver understood the complexities of life.”
You’re simplifying. It was a comedy
How wrong (((they))) were.
I think there’s more going on here than meets the eye. It looks suspiciously like elite universities have given up on trying to get whites to breed with blacks to improve black brains and behavior.
What universities appear to be doing is importing foreign blacks with the hope that they will breed with the native blacks and improve the native breed. I would be curious to see the figures on foreign blacks intermarring with native US blacks.
Personally, I think will only result in a two-tier black caste system.
It iz zeh Freudian slip, nicht wahr?
Cosby show was very didactic. Nauseatingly so. And not very funny.
The character of the wife was particularly nauseating, and particularly unfunny.
Didactic comedies are unknown on British TV as far as I know.
Thanks. It’s my parody of “Light My Fire,” by the Doors. (Hints: “weird scenes [inside the gold mine]; “five-minute sitar solo.”)
The mainstream of black culture has eschewed "respectability politics" in favor of a radical politics which emphasizes the salience of events from hundreds of years past as grounds to indict the nation as a whole and extort spoils.
Barack Obama was a strange figure in that he was able to simultaneously pantomime "respectability" politics to whites while signalling that he was an adherent of radical racial politics to blacks and other minorities.
I tend to think that "respectability politics" became a dead letter by the end of the second Obama term, and that #BLM is proof that it is never coming back. The argument of #BLM is that blacks can't be expected not to commit street crimes, and therefore enforcing the law has a disproportionate effect upon them insofar as an outsized number of black street criminals will die as the result of a police interaction (without regard for how the criminal behaves during the police interaction relative to the norm).You must have missed the memo - in the 1990s the rationale for affirmative action changed on the fly from restoring opportunities to blacks as compensation for past wrongs to "diversity" which is an unalloyed good which benefits all persons in a given educational institution or workplace.
My guess is that opening up affirmative action to everyone but white men (and later, Asians) served to obscure the fact that it wasn't actually yielding lasting benefits that were proposed - the benefited blacks got well paid sinecures but their kids reverted to the mean. Simultaneously, making affirmative action a "good" for everyone (including the people it unjustly excludes) removes it from consideration when talking about how to remediate the position of American blacks in society - you can't now say "you blacks got forty years of affirmative action, that's your reparations." They can now allege that affirmative action was for everyone's good, and that since many more groups than blacks received it (and since it made no fundamental change to blacks' circumstances) they still need cash payments.Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Chris Renner, @bro3886
Woke is just the logical conclusion of half-a-century of government policy. It was extended to non-whites, most of them just off the boat or turnip truck, before the 1960s were out. Asians still get government-mandated racial preferences in every place but school. Golly, I guess this anti-racism thing is just anti-white after all.
The worthless elites who came back from WW2 as globe-trotters understood that a democratic form of government was no good for those who consider themselves to be world rulers. An empire requires an imperial government, and it was inevitable that America, more specifically white America, would become just another colony to be exploited for their own ends, since the people’s interests are not the same as those of the ruling trash. With the passage of the ’64 Civil Rights act, the ’65 Immigration act, and other subsequent laws of a similar vein American government became just such a colonial system. The Constitution was trashed.
The obsession of the colonial government is to keep the white natives under control and to extract as much wealth from them as possible for as long as possible. Certainly a time-honored method of control is to import hostile foreign populations to weaken the solidarity of the masses, though this is destabilizing and in the long run is usually counter to the rulers best interests as a class. But colonialist exploiters tend to only think about the loot they’re getting today and maybe next week, they know it won’t last forever.
Outstanding!
I don’t think this is true. I think they know they need us and it makes those inclined towards hatred crazy. If whites are all bad they’d just want to get away from us.
Proud black woman deriding whiteness.
https://www.city-journal.org/state-departments-toxic-equity-agenda
Here’s our girl.
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/609c164e260000fb6db42ddb.jpeg?cache=34CQMLPKgS&ops=scalefit_1280_noupscale
With her husband.
Is it just me, or can none of these proud black women find a proud black man? Like our new Supreme Court justice.
Duh! Those hints went right over my head. Maybe I tend to over-explain my stuff, but maybe you under-explain. I always do it Frank Jacobs of Mad magazine style: “Sung to the tune of…”.
I figure Steve's readership and commentariat operate at a higher level than, say, Melvin Cowznofski.
No black person alive today is a slave or has EVER been a slave, see https://www.france24.com/en/mediawatch/20140505-boko-haram-nigeria-kidnapping-slavery-sex-trade: "We take a look at reactions to the announcement by Boko Haram that their kidnapping of over 200 schoolgirls in the north of Nigeria could now see the captives sold as slaves"Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Agreed back, René, but that’s why I made the exception too: … while there may be a few ADOS who actually have been, in Mali or the remote shitholes of the Middle East somewhere. However, to be consistent, I should have written “No black Americans alive today” (other than said exceptions from say, your example), as the reparations talk is specifically about America.
Hey, why not Egyptian reparations to the Jews? Are they so well off that they couldn’t use a few extra bucks? Come ‘on, get in on some of that Repa action.
If you remember your Bible we already got ours; Exodus 12:36 "And the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they granted them what they requested. Thus they plundered the Egyptians."
☮Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
There aren’t enough White students to form a quorum. ;-}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERz7efTEtQIReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Bugg, @bomag
Wait… you mean… there are OTHER things out there to write about???
The mind boggles.
On the other hand, his TV wife Suzanne Pleshette played an alien on The Invaders (twice); here she’s done in by an alien death ray; hey, plot!
In Jason Alexander news, one of them strongly suggests watching the Jan 6 hearings (for an epiphany?), while the other is charged with a felony. Both Jasons are trying hard to stay current!
Jason Alexander Compares Jan. 6 Committee Hearings to ‘Seinfeld,’ Insists — Sincerely — That Viewers Tune In
Britney Spears’ ex Jason Alexander charged with stalking her at wedding
I guess you could say that they're concerned about that 13% being statistically overrepresented...Replies: @guest007
the application does not have a way to distinguish. Harvard is going to pick a certain number of students who check off the African-American box and the immigrants and the children of immigrants know this. That is why Egyptian immigrants know to claim to be African-American.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vandal-leaves-naval-air-station-with-over-100-000-in-damage-in-lemoore/ar-AAYq7tzReplies: @Bernard, @guest007
One should always remember that the federal government does not have insurance. Damage, repairs, replacement have to be paid out of the budget.
The least diverse universities are the ones who use marketing material along with social media to look diverse. Look up the stories of black being Photoshopped into pictures of football game crowds, social events on campus. The most diverse universities, as rated by U.S. News, usually underplay their diversity in marketing and social media (think UNLV, Houston, George Mason, Georgia St). Only HBCUs are honest in their social media and marketing where the students in the material match the students on campus.
Any rich white kid who brags about their college’s diversity usually went to a school where whites were overrepresented.
Hey, why not Egyptian reparations to the Jews? Are they so well off that they couldn’t use a few extra bucks? Come ‘on, get in on some of that Repa action.
If you remember your Bible we already got ours; Exodus 12:36 “And the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they granted them what they requested. Thus they plundered the Egyptians.”
Typically African countries borrow money to pay for construction projects. I’ve actually only once heard of a barter in Africa of roads for resources. It was in Congo and fairly famous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mg.co.za/business/2020-11-25-chinas-resource-for-infrastructure-deals/%3Famp
“ China is willing to finance and build crucial infrastructure for economic development in exchange for almost exclusive access to Africa’s mineral resources”
Depends on the girl. Some it seems to mostly go the the boobs and belly, others the butt. Either mostly top half or mostly bottom half.
Not sure it is a lie, but do agree it is incredibly misleading and disingenuous.
My understanding is the rationale is based on the following two facts.
1. White women are eligible for affirmative action.
2. White women are better represented in the job market than other eligible groups.
This Vox article seems to be the biggest popularizer of the idea. Their reasoning seems rather specious to me, but take a look for yourself.
https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action
The rest of your comment said something very similar to my point. The way I think about it is looking at the effect of affirmative action for each group in two areas.
1. The number of people involved.
2. The average “benefit” per person. Put differently, how big a thumb on the scale was needed to get the person the job given their other qualifications.
I think given that, it is clear that though affirmative action for white women MIGHT affect many people their relative competitiveness in the job market means the overall total benefit for the group is not as large as some other groups. And in particular, the per capita benefit (i.e. 2, which seems like the more relevant metric) is smaller than for other groups.
Here is a 2006 paper which came to a rather different conclusion from the “conventional wisdom” which you quoted (looking at six southern cities).
https://spia.uga.edu/faculty_pages/rbakker/pdfs/affirmativeAction.pdf
Also
One more hint — and this one should really have given it away — the second verse of each lyric (the Doors’ original, and my lampoon) ends with the word “pyre.”
I figure Steve’s readership and commentariat operate at a higher level than, say, Melvin Cowznofski.
Insofar as a future, I can’t imagine anyone having more opportunities than her.Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
True enough
She is about 9% to 14% Black, which is more non-White than the typical “Native American” who gets affirmative action.
The average Cherokee tribe member is genetically less than 3% Native American. Regardless they get the same level of affirmative action if they are just 1% Indian as a “full blooded” Indian who may be 29% Indian. It is extremely rare to find a full blooded Indian who is genetically over 30% Indian.
Looks like an interesting Reparations/Feminists rally in broad daylight in beautiful, third-world shithole Los Angeles.
Note to Tourists: If you value your family, keep them away from this city. It truly is as horrible as it looks…
‘A good way to tell how a university feels about affirmative action is to see if there are “fire walls” for certain degrees, colleges, programs. The University of Michigan and the University of Texas-Austin have separate admission standards for their college of engineering. Johns Hopkins has separate admission standards for each program. Indiana University has separate standards for its College of Business. When a university has fire walls to keep some students out of certain majors, that university is sending a clear message of what it thinks about affirmative action.’
My (admittedly quite unresearched) suspicion is that ethnic studies programs accomplish largely the same end. What blacks these schools graduate must be largely ‘Black Studies’ majors — those classes are notoriously easy: for example, a friend of mine who majored in computer science took one to help fulfill his liberal arts requirements. It corresponded to my motives in taking a class on drugs to fulfill my science requirement.
As some support for my theory, I just attended my daughter’s English Department graduation ceremony at Cal Berkeley. Berkeley of course furiously admits students ‘of color’, and it’s favored by East Asians, so of course the graduating class was suitably diverse. I would say about 40% Hispanic, about 40% white, and about 20% Asian (entirely women, so far as I could see).
…but only two (2) blacks. Moreover, they were quadroons or so, and at least one was accompanied by what appeared to be white adoptive parents.
I wouldn’t be surprised if what Blacks do manage to graduate from Berkeley generally do so by sticking to Black Studies, pulling ‘B’s or ‘C’s in those classes, and eking out a ‘D’s in what they have to take outside the department.
I wonder if they have a ‘Mathematics for Negroes’ class to get them through that requirement?
What universities appear to be doing is importing foreign blacks with the hope that they will breed with the native blacks and improve the native breed. I would be curious to see the figures on foreign blacks intermarring with native US blacks.
Personally, I think will only result in a two-tier black caste system.Replies: @kaganovitch
the figures on foreign blacks intermarring with native US blacks.
It iz zeh Freudian slip, nicht wahr?
Yes. Indentured servants are a very sensitive area for reparations hustlers, who become extremely agitated when anyone points out how poorly they were treated, the fact that some made escape attempts in collaboration with black slaves, that their living conditions were as bad and often worse than African slaves etc
So, what to do about it?Replies: @Meretricious, @Yngvar
Like this; the freshly minted research-assistant complains to her boss:
I wonder if that applies if they are in another country. One time years back a piece of advice came across my desk. It was medical health insurance for the military attache’ of Brazil. The Brazilian government was paying for private medical insurance in the USA instead of paying the bills from the Brazilian government coffers.
"Low key racial subtext. Lucy always got into trouble; Ricky was always there to bail her out and tell her how much he loved her."
That's surface. Ball was one of the greatest physical comedians of all time, and the show featured her skills. Meanwhile Desi was also funny as hell.
The Honeymooners?
"Audrey Meadows either loved Ralph despite his failings, or was stuck in the marriage. His pathos was endearing and in the end, we all felt for him. Ed Norton was the magic neighbor who is above the fray." Really a story about lower middle class family struggling with good friends and good marriages
Leave it to Beaver?
"Morality play. Beaver understood the complexities of life."
You're simplifying. It was a comedyReplies: @James Speaks, @anarchyst
You use the word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
I’ve read several primary sources of early British colonial life and they are unanimous in saying that White indentures were treated far worse than black slaves.
https://iop.harvard.edu/get-involved/internships-careers/directors-internship-program/past-directors-interns/2020
https://iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/styles/medium_headshot/public/sources/di/unnamed-1%20-%20Josie%20Abugov.jpg?itok=oKuWCiusReplies: @Bernard, @Nicholas Stix, @duncsbaby
She’s cute, but she’s not black.
“As West put it, “on the vanilla side of town, most of our white brothers and sisters just see Black in this broad, generic sense.”
Cornel West has resigned in protest twice from Harvard, most recently in 2020, giving his reasons then as:
“This kind of narcissistic academic professionalism, cowardly deference to the anti-Palestinian prejudices of the Harvard administration, and indifference to my Mother’s death constitute an intellectual and spiritual bankruptcy of deep depths”
Nothing much about so-called GAA there, but West has been an advocate for free speech when he was still on campus all the same, so it’s not out of character. Anyway, this must be the longest single piece to ever appear on this blog, phew.
He’s enrolled at you daughter’s alma mater now.
I'm willing to bet no one quoted in that article ever took a calculus class.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
But doesn’t “DIe” stand for “differential, integral, 2.71828”? It does at West Coast Tech, as well as its feeder Glass Shard Beach High.
Since US racial politics are now infesting Australia and other English-speaking countries, may as well add to this American debate. Start using “Stolen Africans” instead of GAAS, ADOS, etc. It’s short and easy to remember, has the right aura of passive victimhood to appeal to progressives as well, and suggests the appropriate remedy.
If any progressives object, remind them that the the present day wealth of the USA was created by the labour of these Stolen Africans, who otherwise would have made modern Africa wealthy instead. Lenin said so in “Colonialism” so it must be true. Justice demands that these incredibly productive people be shared with the world, not selfishly kept in the USA.
Donna Reed, as well. It’s quite interesting to read Paul Petersen’s (who played Jeff, he son) take on what the show taught.
Ditto The Rifleman–and Johnny Crawford’s (RIP) recollections.
He did “The Bob Newhart Show”, “Newhart, and “Bob”. He said that if he did another one, it would be called either “The” or “Show”.
https://iop.harvard.edu/get-involved/internships-careers/directors-internship-program/past-directors-interns/2020
https://iop.harvard.edu/sites/default/files/styles/medium_headshot/public/sources/di/unnamed-1%20-%20Josie%20Abugov.jpg?itok=oKuWCiusReplies: @Bernard, @Nicholas Stix, @duncsbaby
She looks more Jewish than black.
1. "White Like Me" sketch on SNL, in which EM made up as a white guy, discovers that white people give each other things for free when blacks aren't around to see it.
2. The scene in the movie Trading Places, in which EM's character is told he now owns this mansion -- but he's still stealing things from this house because he doesn't believe he owns it.Replies: @J.Ross
Eddie Murphy is capable of being so damn funny it’s a crime he obsesses over flatus. I have an imagined review of Pluto Nash I occassionally resolve to properly write and post here, tldr the movie so bad the studio sat on it for years is not so bad, it is wierdly predictive in parts, and it illustrates how modern woke garbage (which makes Nash look like Casablanca) is not just bad for politics but because of abandoning cinematic fundamentals.
Is this true? Not in my experience.Replies: @Redman
No, it’s not true. But most of what West says is BS.
That’s what being a race hustler is all about.
Very few students major in African-American studies. It is more of a minor for the black students to fill all the elective/humanities/liberal arts requirements. Sociology, communications, or business-lite are the places to place overmatched students. supposedly less than 0.1% of student at Cal-Berkeley major in African-american/black studies. In looking at the top ten majors, cognitive studies and environmental studies would be two places to hide overmatched students.
The irony is that they are all so concerned about privilege and equity but don’t seem to realize that Harvard is AN ELITE UNIVERSITY! It has always been so and those who graduate from there obtain that “privilege”. That said, in reality, it is now just a training school for globalists (ask alums Henry Kissinger and Klaus Schwab)
They technically involve loans but are commonly referred to as resource for infrastructure projects. According to this article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mg.co.za/business/2020-11-25-chinas-resource-for-infrastructure-deals/%3Famp
“ China is willing to finance and build crucial infrastructure for economic development in exchange for almost exclusive access to Africa’s mineral resources”
Conversely, Harvard’s brand, much like Gucci’s, is suffering reputational damage from its increasingly trashy customers.
My take: contention in the coalition of the fringes has always been there. Blacks and Jews, Blacks and Mexicans, Jews and Muslims (LOL), Muslims and homosexuals, now women and men pretending to be women ... Diversity is always creating conflict.
No, I found this article much more pessimitic.
Basically a bunch of foreign elites have hijacked the affirmative action that was setup for American blacks. If you scratched a pro-affirmative action white gentile liberal in say 1970, he'd give you an explanation that boiled down to classic Western-Christian "we're all in this together"ism. "Blacks were kept at the bottom but they're here with us in America so they deserve a leg up to start getting their act together. America will be better in the long run for it." Something like that. No way in hell, he'd have thought AA was owed to a bunch of foreigners ... from Nigeria. Heck, most would have cringed at the thought we ought to be importing more blacks from Nigeria.
Here we have elite American blacks, who are staring this AA hijacking in the face. Looking at their pathetic numbers, realizing they are at the bottom of even the black pile and seeing a bunch of f'ing Nigerians stealing the AA that was politically justified and sold by their ancestors' slavery....
And yet, all they can do is whine a bit and form a social club. Actually, arguing that this situation is bullshit and they are being looted of their sinecures by these foreigners ... nope, can't say that, because that would be "right wing" and "nativist".
Tedious blatherer Chip Gates, blathers away:Basically--No cracks in the black. Every black is entitled to goodies from the white man. The more the merrier when it comes to blackness.
My one hope for America, its future, is that in an increasingly Latinoized and Asianized America, we'll eventually see an end to the Jewish immigration insanity, before the African deluge. Maybe even some smarter and more level-headed Jews wake up--realize their of balkanization is already done--and discover "nuance". (They can't all be as autistic as Matty). A couple of decades of African deluge and we'll really be at Brazil. If it continues for a century--we're South Africa.
But our first Jewish president is avidly destroying the border and waving in yet more hordes. And here we have elite blacks--watching themselves be cheated out of their racial sinecures--and yet they don't dare even raise the issue. Because that would be "nativist" and "right wing".
There will be cracks ... but right now all I'm seeing is the destruction of America ... speeding up.Replies: @SFG
Biden is Jewish? His cabinet kind of is…
Ironically Bernie was against open borders before he was for it. (Bad for workers)
I’m actually kind of hopeful about the whole national conservative trend-they’re kind of wimps, but they might push the Overton window back in a reasonable direction.
And, honestly, I don’t need 1955, I’m fine with 1995. Weird people had their spaces, normal people had theirs, the President modeled heterosexuality, and we still had white male Star Trek captains. Make it so!
One must observe the (defective) pathology of the negro in order to understand his actions.
Just as animals are observed by scientists in their natural habitat, the subhuman “simian africanus” species must also be observed in its natural habitat in order to document its defective pathological behavior.
Arbery could have run off in any direction and have easily evaded questioning by the neighborhood residents who were defending their property. Don’t forget that Arbery was on their turf…if it had been the other way around and the Satilla three were on Arbery’s turf, and if they were put in harms way, nothing would have been noticed.
Arbery’s perception of being “disrespected” while executing his “stock in trade” (criminal trespassing and theft) which is common among his type was enough for him to rush the man with the weapon and “demand” that he be “respected”. THAT was his fatal mistake. Grabbing a shotgun barrel constitutes assault which should have been enough to vindicate the Satilla three…
The Satilla three should mount a vigorous appeal both for the “double jeopardy” and “prosecutor shopping” that took place as well as the tainted jury, biased judge and “outsiders” (blm, etc.) who threatened the whole judicial system if the “correct verdict” was not rendered.
Once the original prosecutor declared the Satilla three to be non-chargeable, that should have placed any future prosecution for the same situation off-limits. Such was not the case. This practice of “prosecutor shopping” must be outlawed as it does constitute “double jeopardy”.
It turns out that the Satilla three still faced federal “hate crime” charges for merely defending their neighborhood. Of course, they were recently found “guilty” as well.
Only one good thing came out of all of this–Arbery will not be casing any construction sites for future criminal acquisitions.
Three decent white men’s lives have been destroyed.
Justice? HAH! Not in today’s politically-charged atmosphere where negro criminals are elevated to the status of “sainthood”.
"Low key racial subtext. Lucy always got into trouble; Ricky was always there to bail her out and tell her how much he loved her."
That's surface. Ball was one of the greatest physical comedians of all time, and the show featured her skills. Meanwhile Desi was also funny as hell.
The Honeymooners?
"Audrey Meadows either loved Ralph despite his failings, or was stuck in the marriage. His pathos was endearing and in the end, we all felt for him. Ed Norton was the magic neighbor who is above the fray." Really a story about lower middle class family struggling with good friends and good marriages
Leave it to Beaver?
"Morality play. Beaver understood the complexities of life."
You're simplifying. It was a comedyReplies: @James Speaks, @anarchyst
You can thank Lucille Ball (Desilu Studios) for giving the Star Trek franchise its start, when no other studio would touch it, considering the subject material to be too “esoteric” and “cerebral” for American tastes.
How wrong (((they))) were.
Off to Poland I go. Hope to see you again in August.
As West put it, “on the vanilla side of town, most of our white brothers and sisters just see Black in this broad, generic sense.”
Note the complete lack of irony in this statement, as a black person denounces “white brothers and sisters” in homogeneous broad-brush terms – denounces them precisely for looking at black people in homogeneous, broad-brush terms.
Harvard will happily replace troublesome Legacy Blacks ( much better than 'generational' ) with wealthier and generally better-behaved Africans. Along those lines, A relative's girlfriend got some extravagant scholarship for Latinx students from Yale and she's no Jenny from the block; as white as Queen Isabella, and twice as rich.Replies: @Johann Ricke
Jennifer Lopez’s natural skin tone is pale. I read somewhere that she was expected to be more less generically Caucasian-looking for showbiz purposes, so she’s studiously maintained that tan with chemical assistance ever since.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/60332-jennifer-lopez-was-spotted-without-bronzer-and-she-is-surprisingly-really-pale-but-still-flawless