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From Reuters today:
Germany now expects up to 1.5 million migrants in 2015: newspaper
ReutersBERLIN (Reuters) – German authorities expect up to 1.5 million asylum seekers to arrive in Germany this year, the Bild daily said in a report to be published on Monday, up from a previous estimate of 800,000 to 1 million. …
“Migratory pressures will increase further. We now expect seven to ten thousand illegal border crossings every day in the fourth quarter,” Bild cited the report as saying.
… The authorities’ report also cited concerns that those who are granted asylum will bring their families over to Germany too, Bild said.
Given family structures in the Middle East, this would mean each individual from that region who is granted asylum bringing an average of four to eight family members over to Germany in due course, Bild quoted the report as saying.
Not everybody is going to get legal asylum, of course. The Germans have already been kicking out some of the Balkan Muslims they can get to confess to not being Arabs. So you can’t just multiply 1.5 million by 5 to 9 people, which would of course be 7.5 to 13.5 million people. That’s probably too high … in this wave.
In the long run, well, either the German government will smarten up and learn how to use basic arithmetic before announcing its immigration policies, or it won’t. In the 21st Century, self-destructive stupidity is always an option.
Here’s the original in Bild in German. And not behind a paywall: Die Welt.
“In writing your constitution let me invite attention to the wonderful virtue of the negative! Accentuate the negative! Let your document be studded with things the government is forever forbidden to do. No conscript armies… no interference however slight with freedom of press, or speech, or travel, or assembly, or of religion, or of instruction, or communication, or occupation… no involuntary taxation.” https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress
On the positive side they’ll create demand for tax supported programs the natives never wanted or needed. Fill the old concentration camps with new people to make up for the lack of tourism. It looks like the airport will be full of people. That will mean airport jobs! They’ll buy VW’s and run share the crumbs ride services. Fartingnugun!
Steve, as I never cease to write here – at the risk of being an insufferable bore – the real roots of this current madness are the 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention, and crucially its 1967 amendment, and the European Union which *insists* that member states adhere to this treaty.
To repeat myself again. For Europe to persist into the current century, two actions are necessary.
1/. The complete and absolute dissolution of the EU.
2/. The election of unashamedly nationalist political parties to government in the European nations.
Alternative für Deutschland, currently not represented in parliament, would just barely make it past the five percent quorum if general elections were held today, according to another poll. They are the only party consistently demanding a halt to illegal immigration.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU) is noisily criticizing Merkel. CSU is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU but fields candidate only in its home state where the CDU is not present. In theory, as a member of Merkel's coalition government, they could withdraw from the coalition and call for new elections. In practice, it won't happen.
Dissolving the EU is a pipe dream, popular will is not there. I cannot see "nationalist" parties forming a government anywhere in western Europe. It's possible that in Sweden and in the Netherlands, nationalist/nativist parties will garner the biggest share of the vote, but not an absolute majority. The other parties will then close ranks and freeze them out.Replies: @snorlax, @Lot, @Anonymous
Consider what happened to German national sovereignty after the Treaty of Versailles.
Germans in Eugen and Malmedy were made Belgians by decree, in Alsace-Lorraine, French. Germans in Eastern Upper Silesia amd Poznania were made Poles. Germans in Danzig and the Saar were made whatever you call people ruled by the League of Nations.
It wasn't just Germans. 3.5 million Germans, 3 million Slovaks, 1 million Hungarians, and 150,000 Poles were handed over to the newly created nation of Czecho-Slovakia, to be ruled by 7 million Czechs.
Hungary saw her domain reduced from 125,000 square miles to 36,000. The 2 million Hungarians residing in Transylvania were given to Rumania. Half a million Hungarians and their lands were handed over the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes.
Germans in many parts of Europe were denied any plebescite or say in which nation the powers that be assigned them to.
Europeans--Germans in particular--have been tinkered with in various ways for at least the entire period of forced globalization.
Some say that began at Versailles. I'm not so sure...but it certainly got more systematic, organized, and jackbooted-brutal with the League of Nations. It should not surprise us that its SJW miscegenation-happy daughter, the UN, and its evil genius bastard stepchild, the EU, would operate in the same global-elitist manner.
And punitive.
The goal is open borders. That's all there is to it. One globe, under Rockefeller and Gates and Zuckerberg, with liberty and justice for those who define both and can afford it.
Too many Germans of today are desperately trying to get out from under the lies told about them for the past 100 years. "Are we nice yet? Are we good? Are we done having to feel guilty? If we disappear, will we then be forgiven?"
Steve,
You’ve got to look at this mass immigration crisis both ways. You’re decrying it as an exercise in criminal insanity and folly, an act of momentary madness. Well, perhaps. A lot of people here agree with you.
But put it this way. Isn’t what we are seeing now an exercise in ‘open borders’?, a dress rehearsal or dummy run of the real thing.
Isn’t ‘open borders’ a policy firmly and insistently advocated by ‘The Economist’ magazine, the in-house magazine of the political class?
Some French SJW makes conversation with every man who harasses her on the street. Good for a laugh.
Ten 2001-issue Francs says Abdelkarim said “Jew,” but Ms. Duportail didn’t want to feed people’s “ridiculous racial prejudices.”
To repeat myself again. For Europe to persist into the current century, two actions are necessary.
1/. The complete and absolute dissolution of the EU.
2/. The election of unashamedly nationalist political parties to government in the European nations.Replies: @Stubborn in Germany, @Olorin
Latest opinion survey ranking German politicians has Merkel drop nine percentage points, to 54 percent positive. She still is the most popular German politician.
Alternative für Deutschland, currently not represented in parliament, would just barely make it past the five percent quorum if general elections were held today, according to another poll. They are the only party consistently demanding a halt to illegal immigration.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU) is noisily criticizing Merkel. CSU is the “sister party” to Merkel’s CDU but fields candidate only in its home state where the CDU is not present. In theory, as a member of Merkel’s coalition government, they could withdraw from the coalition and call for new elections. In practice, it won’t happen.
Dissolving the EU is a pipe dream, popular will is not there. I cannot see “nationalist” parties forming a government anywhere in western Europe. It’s possible that in Sweden and in the Netherlands, nationalist/nativist parties will garner the biggest share of the vote, but not an absolute majority. The other parties will then close ranks and freeze them out.
In the United Kingdom the Liberal Democrats joined the Conservatives in a grand coalition in 2010. In the next election, the party was nearly destroyed, going from 23.0% to 7.8% of the popular vote and from 57 to 8 seats.
This is insane. I’ve read countless stories where the migrants explicitly say they hope to bring their families. It’s thought that women & kids slow them down, costs more & is too dangerous so young men go first. Yet this seems to be a new development to the authorities.
Merkel’s madness has to be stopped.
Alternative für Deutschland, currently not represented in parliament, would just barely make it past the five percent quorum if general elections were held today, according to another poll. They are the only party consistently demanding a halt to illegal immigration.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU) is noisily criticizing Merkel. CSU is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU but fields candidate only in its home state where the CDU is not present. In theory, as a member of Merkel's coalition government, they could withdraw from the coalition and call for new elections. In practice, it won't happen.
Dissolving the EU is a pipe dream, popular will is not there. I cannot see "nationalist" parties forming a government anywhere in western Europe. It's possible that in Sweden and in the Netherlands, nationalist/nativist parties will garner the biggest share of the vote, but not an absolute majority. The other parties will then close ranks and freeze them out.Replies: @snorlax, @Lot, @Anonymous
CDU + SPD would still have a huge majority. Also, I very much doubt they’d want to “go nuclear” and potentially destroy their party (if CDU runs candidates against them in Bavaria).
The fact that this is true -- and it is -- shows just how corrupt and useless politics and politicians are in Germany. One of these parties should be the main opposition party -- given what is going on now, you would normally expect the SPD to be in charge, and the CDU would be leading opposition to it. But no, actually the CDU is the senior partner in the current Gr0ße Koalition -- that's why Merkel is Kanzlerin -- and the CDU and SPD are cooperating to screw Germany and future generations of Germans.
Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called – “bipartisanship.”
In many ways, the mindset of many Germans, and therefore also of the German government, more resembles communism than capitalism. Being a member of the Gesellschaft (during, uhh, earlier times this may have been called the Volksgemeinschaft), is seen as more important than being an individual. For this reason, you rarely encounter skepticism about big government -- actually, it seems to many Germans 'the bigger the better' -- eg they depend on big government to enforce the so-called Vertrag der Generationen, which they see as guaranteeing their retirement pension.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Berlitz
http://m.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/a-1056046.html
Of course she’s going to let in as many “family” members as they want. There are nearly a million young Arab men spread around the country who have already demonstrated no respect for rule of law just by being there. They could turn Germany into a warzone in about twenty minutes.
SIGH….It crosses the mind… that if people are this sick, this full of nonsense and this weak, to allow this to happen then they do not deserve their nice, pampered, North Western European countries.
I heard someone say, here in France, “people will realize that something’s very wrong only when their fridges are empty.”
It’s amazing to see that, if very unlikely decisions are not taken and ruthlessly enforced — and they probably won’t — Germany is toast, and the rest of the EU as well (except maybe Hungary). Will Europe as-we-know-it survive until 2020? I have doubts.
I had a conversation on the phone last night with a left-wing friend, who used to vote for the communists. The conversation almost turned into a shouting match (with me doing all the shouting, which surprised him because I usually don’t shout). He wants to believe that what is written in the mainstream press is true, he feels he must let his heart bleed for the 2 year old boy who drowned in Turkey… Considers himself a true marxist dissenter, though.
Let’s try to look beyond 2020. Germany, France and the rest of Western Europe have become chaotic, with millions of recent immigrants each (up to ten million in Germany alone), and no jobs or housing for them, not even food sometimes. Homeless, jobless, possibly starving immigrants invade homes, rape women and steal food. They turn Europe into Syria. What do we do? We fight and/or die.
But Europe is just a small part of the world. What does the rest of the world do when the EU becomes indistinguishable from Syria and Iraq ? Since European industries have been outsourced years ago, and what German industry produces can be produced by Japan and China, the rest of the world simply watches on its Japanese TV screens Europe falling into chaos, fascinated as if by a huge train wreck. Europe is a consumer of raw materials. China will be glad to consume the oil, silver, copper, etc, which the EU used to consume. Eastern European countries, with razor wire all over their borders, become buffer states on Russia’s behalf. Page turned.
CDU + SPD would still have a huge majority.
The fact that this is true — and it is — shows just how corrupt and useless politics and politicians are in Germany. One of these parties should be the main opposition party — given what is going on now, you would normally expect the SPD to be in charge, and the CDU would be leading opposition to it. But no, actually the CDU is the senior partner in the current Gr0ße Koalition — that’s why Merkel is Kanzlerin — and the CDU and SPD are cooperating to screw Germany and future generations of Germans.
Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called – “bipartisanship.”
In many ways, the mindset of many Germans, and therefore also of the German government, more resembles communism than capitalism. Being a member of the Gesellschaft (during, uhh, earlier times this may have been called the Volksgemeinschaft), is seen as more important than being an individual. For this reason, you rarely encounter skepticism about big government — actually, it seems to many Germans ‘the bigger the better’ — eg they depend on big government to enforce the so-called Vertrag der Generationen, which they see as guaranteeing their retirement pension.
The thing is, some years ago Germany sharpened the rules about bringing putative spouses to Germany from the ‘old country’ — this was done after massive abuse, particularly by Turks — they would bring over some peasant girl, she would have no, and never obtain any, knowledge of German, they would have kids, she would stay at home and take care of the kids, and later when it was time for the kids to go to school — surprise! — they could not speak German:
Muss mein/e ausländische/r Ehepartner/in/Verlobte/r bereits bei Visabeantragung (d.h. vor der Einreise nach Deutschland) deutsche Sprachkenntnisse nachweisen?
Must the putative spouse have knowledge of German?
Ja, nachdem die Reform des Zuwanderungsgesetzes am 28. August 2007 in Kraft getreten ist, müssen zumindest Grundkenntnisse der deutschen Sprache nachgewiesen werden.
Yes — after the reform of immigration law passed on Aug 28, 2007, at the least a basic knowledge of German is necessary.
With this tsunami of Flüchtlinge, all of that will be made moot.
Actually the only ones who get sent home from time to time are people from the Balkan. Which is insane: out of the groups who get to Germany right now (Arabs, Africans, Balkan Sinti Roma and Balkan Muslims) the Balkan people are clearly those who bring the fewest problems.
Uhh, to say the least...I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald's parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, "Sanel M", was a young punk of Balkan origins:
Sanel M. blickt auf eine Biografie als Schulversager zurück. So hatte er zunächst ein Gymnasium besucht und galt als ehrgeizig. Nachdem seine Leistungen nicht ausgereicht hatten, musste er auf eine Realschule wechseln, nach zwei Jahren schließlich 2012 in eine gewerblich-technische Schule. Dort durchlief Sanel M. ein Jahr, das ihn auf einen Beruf vorbereiten sollte. Er schwänzte aber wiederholt und zeigte bei einem Praktikum in einer Autowerkstatt nach Angaben der Mitarbeiter kaum Interesse.
To summarize: he was a complete failure right down the line -- never showed much interest in school or job training -- mostly did not bother to show up.
For the crime he got all of three years.
I don't think you'll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @German_reader, @Erik Sieven
Muss mein/e ausländische/r Ehepartner/in/Verlobte/r bereits bei Visabeantragung (d.h. vor der Einreise nach Deutschland) deutsche Sprachkenntnisse nachweisen?
Must the putative spouse have knowledge of German?
Ja, nachdem die Reform des Zuwanderungsgesetzes am 28. August 2007 in Kraft getreten ist, müssen zumindest Grundkenntnisse der deutschen Sprache nachgewiesen werden.
Yes -- after the reform of immigration law passed on Aug 28, 2007, at the least a basic knowledge of German is necessary.
With this tsunami of Flüchtlinge, all of that will be made moot.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Right, Germany was making progress. A bunch of insiders whispered to Sarrazin, apparently, that of course he was right but we know all about it and we are quietly fixing things, so no need to publish a bestselling book about it.
But a few years later, a complete debacle …
Exactly the same modus operandi was used by people who weren't serious about controlling immigration to the UK in the first place, against Enoch Powell.
Enoch was right, they whispered, but the 'tone' of his speech sabotaged 'serious quiet efforts' to control things behind the scenes.
Only they never ever had any real intention of doing anything.
"Which brings us to another reason Trump would be a disastrous champion for conservatives: He taints and discredits the important cause of controlling immigration, and would do the same to conservatism generally in the unlikely event that he became the nominee. Deterring illegal immigration and reducing legal immigration would serve the rule of law, promote national cohesion, and help both native-born and immigrant low-wage workers. This agenda is routinely dismissed, however, as an expression of nostalgia for a whiter country — or worse. Every time Trump suggests that people who have come here from Mexico are mostly drug runners and murderers, he makes it easier to think that legitimate conservative concerns about immigration are tantamount to racism."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru
Basically it amounts to the cuckservatives saying they'll support controlling the border as soon as the liberal establishment doesn't think border control is racist and gives them permission to support it. About the third of never. Immigration is a racial policy, it has no other serious component, and the refusal of Republicans and conservatives to acknowledge that reality is the very definition of cuckservatism.Replies: @MarkinLA
Steve, could you have a go at laying out how a European nation would realistically be destroyed by Middle Eastern immigration? It seems obvious that immigration would have the effect of making some measures go down or up slightly, like IQ or crime or whatever – but how exactly is the policy self-destructive? Many countries, e.g. Brazil are both very racially diverse but not “destroyed”
Don't use the cop out of saying 'yes, but as one of the very wealthy', no would you like to live in Brazil doing the job you are doing now.Replies: @AndrewR
A first-world country that is turned into Brazil IS destroyed as a first-world country. Do you want to live in Brazil? What do you think the world would like if every country were Brazil?
When large numbers of unassimilable immigrants move into a society, a caste system forms. Endogomy goes up, barriers go up, real or imagined. You no longer have a true shared society. Get my point?
The problem is: it will be a long way down from the living standard of Japan (Germany today) to the living standards of Colombia, Algeri or Cameroon (Germany in 20 years). It will feel bad because of the effect of a reversed hedonic treadmill, each step down will feel bad again.
Indian and chinese will have to look for new tourist destinations, because they are not interested to Algeria or Ghana today, and they will not interested in visiting Germany in 20 years
If you accept the idea that materialism (the American Dream, barf) is the most important thing in life, the most important thing in defining your nation you are already finished. There will always be a hostile takeover, from within and without, ready just around the corner.
Thinking about policy in terms of “Well, maybe we can get away with this without it destroying the country” is the wrong way to go about it. Decisionmakers need to think in terms of opportunity cost: things like “We currently have more or less the state of Minnesota and you want to turn it into the state of Mississippi? Really?”
…the Balkan people are clearly those who bring the fewest problems.
Uhh, to say the least…I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald’s parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, “Sanel M”, was a young punk of Balkan origins:
Sanel M. blickt auf eine Biografie als Schulversager zurück. So hatte er zunächst ein Gymnasium besucht und galt als ehrgeizig. Nachdem seine Leistungen nicht ausgereicht hatten, musste er auf eine Realschule wechseln, nach zwei Jahren schließlich 2012 in eine gewerblich-technische Schule. Dort durchlief Sanel M. ein Jahr, das ihn auf einen Beruf vorbereiten sollte. Er schwänzte aber wiederholt und zeigte bei einem Praktikum in einer Autowerkstatt nach Angaben der Mitarbeiter kaum Interesse.
To summarize: he was a complete failure right down the line — never showed much interest in school or job training — mostly did not bother to show up.
For the crime he got all of three years.
I don’t think you’ll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.
That Bavaria even has a McDonalds is itself a travesty. Another kind of invasion. Why anyone in Europe, who has access to plentiful high-quality food, would want to eat that ersatz-food is beyond me.
Depends...the Croats, Serbs etc. who came as "guest workers" to the old Federal Republic and stayed, are in general fairly well integrated...I doubt there's much negative feeling towards them.
Newer arrivals are viewed less favorably...obviously Albanians have a reputation as thugs, and the Roma as petty criminals...but Erik's right, Balkan migrants would be a manageable problem for Germany...whereas the flood from outside of Europe is an existential threat.
Alternative für Deutschland, currently not represented in parliament, would just barely make it past the five percent quorum if general elections were held today, according to another poll. They are the only party consistently demanding a halt to illegal immigration.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU) is noisily criticizing Merkel. CSU is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU but fields candidate only in its home state where the CDU is not present. In theory, as a member of Merkel's coalition government, they could withdraw from the coalition and call for new elections. In practice, it won't happen.
Dissolving the EU is a pipe dream, popular will is not there. I cannot see "nationalist" parties forming a government anywhere in western Europe. It's possible that in Sweden and in the Netherlands, nationalist/nativist parties will garner the biggest share of the vote, but not an absolute majority. The other parties will then close ranks and freeze them out.Replies: @snorlax, @Lot, @Anonymous
That’s not such a bad outcome. Grand coalitions tend to be unpopular. The center-left Greek party PASOK destroyed itself by joining a grand coalition and it was replaced by a more nationalist and radical left party. It fell from being the largest party with 44% of the vote to the 7th largest party with 4.7% of the vote.
In the United Kingdom the Liberal Democrats joined the Conservatives in a grand coalition in 2010. In the next election, the party was nearly destroyed, going from 23.0% to 7.8% of the popular vote and from 57 to 8 seats.
Yep.
Exactly the same modus operandi was used by people who weren’t serious about controlling immigration to the UK in the first place, against Enoch Powell.
Enoch was right, they whispered, but the ‘tone’ of his speech sabotaged ‘serious quiet efforts’ to control things behind the scenes.
Only they never ever had any real intention of doing anything.
Just look at France.
Lost in all the brouhaha and alarmism over the insane immigration numbers entering Germany, is the quiet and sustained *legal* immigration going on in Europe, particularly the UK. Last year, just shy of 700,000 ‘legally migrated’ to Britain. Who knows how many illegals snuck in.
Anyway, 700,000 emigrating to the UK in one year compares reasonably to 1 million entering Germany.
Would *you* want to live in Brazil?
Don’t use the cop out of saying ‘yes, but as one of the very wealthy’, no would you like to live in Brazil doing the job you are doing now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War
Or if you like pictures, here are some pictures of St Denis, Paris:
That’s not “self-destructive stupidity”, that’s destructive malice. Germany is an occupied country, and some social groups from the main occupying power has always wished to impose harsher measures upon Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earnest_Hooton
>During World War II, Hooton proposed to eradicate the German people by infiltrating them slowly with masses of non-European male immigrants, thereby breed “war strains” out of them.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Germany_Must_Perish.pdf
>In an article headlined “Breed War Strain Out of Germans” in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an “outbreeding” plan that would “destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities.”
>The Harvard University professor’s proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers.
>This plan, Hooton estimated, would require at least 20 years to be implemented. “During this period,” he went on, “encourage also the immigration and settlement in the German states of non-German nationals, especially males.”
See also the Morgenthau Plan, or the Society for the Prevention of World War III, which opposed the Marshall Plan. The big political divide in the aftermath of World War II was between liberals and progressives, like Morgenthau, who wanted to utterly destroy Germany as punishment for Nazism, these guys were concentrated in the press, the cultural industry and the intelligentsia (see Rex Stout, for example). On the other side there were moderate, military types, who sympathized with Germans and saw them as a bulwark against communism.
Well, now communism is defeated, the military has no political power anymore and the intelligentsia, the press and cultural sphere has more power than ever. They can finally enact their plans.
Alternative für Deutschland, currently not represented in parliament, would just barely make it past the five percent quorum if general elections were held today, according to another poll. They are the only party consistently demanding a halt to illegal immigration.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU) is noisily criticizing Merkel. CSU is the "sister party" to Merkel's CDU but fields candidate only in its home state where the CDU is not present. In theory, as a member of Merkel's coalition government, they could withdraw from the coalition and call for new elections. In practice, it won't happen.
Dissolving the EU is a pipe dream, popular will is not there. I cannot see "nationalist" parties forming a government anywhere in western Europe. It's possible that in Sweden and in the Netherlands, nationalist/nativist parties will garner the biggest share of the vote, but not an absolute majority. The other parties will then close ranks and freeze them out.Replies: @snorlax, @Lot, @Anonymous
That’s the Spiegel-poll. But I know, they have a “reputation” to lose. They would never compromise their “journalistic integrity” by tendentious reporting or cherry picking data.
Of course, the tacit admission that each ‘migrant’ will bring in 4 to 8 dependents rather deflates the oft-repeated German government official mantra that the ‘migrants’ are an economic boost to Germany.
Rest assured that those dependents are the elderly and non working.
The economics of this just won’t add up ( though the numbers will be what they will be ). EU unemployment stands at 11% now and is much higher for those under thirty so there is no shortage of labor within the EU despite the labor force maxing out 3 or 4 years ago.
It is also the case that, whatever the faults of Latino immigration to the US maybe, Latinos will work. Both sexes. If they are illegal they have little choice in America as our social welfare benefits are not as generous. One of the big problems with Muslim societies is that they do not make much use of their female populations as compared to Europe, North America or Asia. Their women do not work at anything like western or asian labor participation rates. Throw in higher birth rates and Muslim populations have far more ‘dependents’ per worker than is the norm in Europe. Muslim men are also more work averse than Latino men. The Muslim man will not do the same jobs a Latino man will be glad to do. Manual labor is not the Muslims strong suit so even if Europe was in need of additional manpower, which it is not, Muslim immigration would be the least desirable immigrant population of all.
Indonesians are muslims and they are cheerful hard workers.
The problem is Arabs.
You guys are cowards.
“Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!”
What’s the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy life
Let the immigrants work for me. It will not be the other way around
To help me, all you have to do is keep them out of my parks, schools, hospitals, and off my roads. And police them and pay for their welfare and healthcare
Shagging ugly women?
Low wages?
No wages?
Low life expectancy?
High rates of incarceration?
High rates of HIV?
Low rates of having any contact with any decent or attractive women?
Yeah, you could be right. We can't compete for all those lovely things.Replies: @Stan D Mute
...so let me guess. You're with The Atlantic.
Figure the costs. 1,500,000 this year, times a minimum of $30,000 to feed, clothe, house, medicate, police, hospitalize, fire protect, entertain and educate each and every one of those 85 IQ suckers per year. That is $9 billion per year.
And each one is going to bring in 4-8 baby-mamas and sprogs. That is going to cost $35 to $70 billion more per year.
And each additional year of free immigration is going to add ANOTHER $9 billion (plus $30 to $70 billion for wimmin and sprogs).
In five years there are going to be so many synchronized Muslim bottoms bobbing up and down at Friday prayers that German seismometers are going to register a good 3.5 on the Richter scale!
Auf wiedersehn, Deutschland!
Seriously, I kind of want to puke.
Same as the first amnesty that Ronald Reagan got tricked into. The claim was 1.3 million illegal alien invaders would get this amnesty. This amnesty dragged on for years with scummy immigration lawyers suing to extend it. By time it finished 10 years later 3 million plus got amnesty.
Plus the enforcement provisions were sabotaged by Congress and the permanent Federal bureaucracy. These 3 million legally and illegally brought in their families and compadres. They were the seed corn for the mess we have today with 20-30 million illegals.
http://www.vdare.com/posts/ed-meese-says-reagan-regretted-1986-amnesty
What a laugh! Brazil is good place to live for the 10% of the population who are wealthy by Brazil standards plus they strongly tend to be European and whiter. Don’t believe that multiKulti BS about Brazil being a nation where skin color does not matter. I’ll bet skin whitening products like papaya extract soap http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=extract+papaya+soap sell like crazy there.
You've got to look at this mass immigration crisis both ways. You're decrying it as an exercise in criminal insanity and folly, an act of momentary madness. Well, perhaps. A lot of people here agree with you.
But put it this way. Isn't what we are seeing now an exercise in 'open borders'?, a dress rehearsal or dummy run of the real thing.
Isn't 'open borders' a policy firmly and insistently advocated by 'The Economist' magazine, the in-house magazine of the political class?Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
This is an Aquarian fantasy that has been around since Lieutenant Uhura first told Captain Kirk that hailing frequencies were open. One happy global village in the United Federation of Planets.
We have a perfect storm of Post WWII momma’s boys (and their offspring) combined with a generation of nouveau riche ruling classes in the third world and communist world.
Everyone of influence, literally everyone on the inside track, thinks this coming borderless society is the next step in human history.
There is a heavy element of Marxism here, in the sense of tabula rasa humans who are all the same and can be added up as such…
…like bunnies in a California backyard (Hefner’s or Sailer’s).
It will serve to be the last, as those of influence (as you kindly put it) spur the proliferation of hordes who will force a regression to the mean that no tiny majority of evolutionarily gifted people can offset no matter how viciously they are yoked to the globalizers' chariot cult.
As for me and mine, we're jojking winter. Bring it on.
Perhaps the German people are confused by Americans concern trolling about the destruction of our most common (by nationality) ancestral homeland.
I think they would understand Schadenfreude better; from our perspective it would be a form of reverse psychology since they hate us so much.
Ha ha! The Nazis finally went and committed suicide! So much the better for Europe and the world! America must seize this opportunity to short-sell investment in German infrastructure. Suckas!
“Many countries, e.g. Brazil are both very racially diverse but not “destroyed””
A first-world country that is turned into Brazil IS destroyed as a first-world country. Do you want to live in Brazil? What do you think the world would like if every country were Brazil?
Uhh, to say the least...I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald's parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, "Sanel M", was a young punk of Balkan origins:
Sanel M. blickt auf eine Biografie als Schulversager zurück. So hatte er zunächst ein Gymnasium besucht und galt als ehrgeizig. Nachdem seine Leistungen nicht ausgereicht hatten, musste er auf eine Realschule wechseln, nach zwei Jahren schließlich 2012 in eine gewerblich-technische Schule. Dort durchlief Sanel M. ein Jahr, das ihn auf einen Beruf vorbereiten sollte. Er schwänzte aber wiederholt und zeigte bei einem Praktikum in einer Autowerkstatt nach Angaben der Mitarbeiter kaum Interesse.
To summarize: he was a complete failure right down the line -- never showed much interest in school or job training -- mostly did not bother to show up.
For the crime he got all of three years.
I don't think you'll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @German_reader, @Erik Sieven
“Uhh, to say the least…I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald’s parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, “Sanel M”, was a young punk of Balkan origins:”
That Bavaria even has a McDonalds is itself a travesty. Another kind of invasion. Why anyone in Europe, who has access to plentiful high-quality food, would want to eat that ersatz-food is beyond me.
Cons:
Strictly in terms of progress, Germany and Western Europe will become like Brazil in short order. Back in the 60’s and 70’s knowledgeable people were predicting that Brazil would emerge as a world power. What happened?? No matter how much you naturally or unnaturally segregate a country’s cognitive elites and achievers, a burgeoning (dynamic rather static population) underclass is crippling. And Brazil would be a lot worse off were it not for outside countries assisting it through patronization (esp. the U.S.). The U.S. and Western Europe are moving quickly toward the global equilibrium at an increasing rate (actually, increasing at an increasing rate). In Western Europe (and Europe in general, b/c they all hitched their wagons to the West) things will be orders of magnitude more crippling than Brazil do to the toxic mix of Islam and low-IQed tribal peoples and their rapid breeding.
Pros:
The power of the problem-makers will be weakened. The ability to facilitate the support of actions antithetical to civilization, esp. Christian civilization (e.g., supporting jihadism and the destruction of sovereign countries), will be seriously reduced due to economic decline and general societal disorder. Meanwhile, countries embracing Christian culture– Russia, China (soon to have the most Christians of any country), and the Pacific Rim) won’t have to put up with the never ending schemes to undermine them, and have shit thrown at them, from the Problem-makers. As the Ven. Fulton Sheen said in a talk given over 40 years ago, we must look to the East for the future of the Christian church. Scary, because at that time the statement seems ludicrous.
I’d rather be Heff than the hawk.
Don't use the cop out of saying 'yes, but as one of the very wealthy', no would you like to live in Brazil doing the job you are doing now.Replies: @AndrewR
Southern Brasil is quite a nice place to live. It’s also the whitest, uncoincidentally.
I can say beyond doubt that I would rather live in Curitiba than almost any major city in the US. One need not be wealthy there to live a very pleasant life.
And quite frankly anywhere in BR without a significant black population is better than anywhere in the US with one.
Uhh, to say the least...I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald's parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, "Sanel M", was a young punk of Balkan origins:
Sanel M. blickt auf eine Biografie als Schulversager zurück. So hatte er zunächst ein Gymnasium besucht und galt als ehrgeizig. Nachdem seine Leistungen nicht ausgereicht hatten, musste er auf eine Realschule wechseln, nach zwei Jahren schließlich 2012 in eine gewerblich-technische Schule. Dort durchlief Sanel M. ein Jahr, das ihn auf einen Beruf vorbereiten sollte. Er schwänzte aber wiederholt und zeigte bei einem Praktikum in einer Autowerkstatt nach Angaben der Mitarbeiter kaum Interesse.
To summarize: he was a complete failure right down the line -- never showed much interest in school or job training -- mostly did not bother to show up.
For the crime he got all of three years.
I don't think you'll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @German_reader, @Erik Sieven
“I don’t think you’ll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.”
Depends…the Croats, Serbs etc. who came as “guest workers” to the old Federal Republic and stayed, are in general fairly well integrated…I doubt there’s much negative feeling towards them.
Newer arrivals are viewed less favorably…obviously Albanians have a reputation as thugs, and the Roma as petty criminals…but Erik’s right, Balkan migrants would be a manageable problem for Germany…whereas the flood from outside of Europe is an existential threat.
It wouldn’t be destroyed in the sense of a civil war. Civil wars come about in all sorts of ways, but immigration doesn’t cause them.
When large numbers of unassimilable immigrants move into a society, a caste system forms. Endogomy goes up, barriers go up, real or imagined. You no longer have a true shared society. Get my point?
It's amazing to see that, if very unlikely decisions are not taken and ruthlessly enforced — and they probably won't — Germany is toast, and the rest of the EU as well (except maybe Hungary). Will Europe as-we-know-it survive until 2020? I have doubts.
I had a conversation on the phone last night with a left-wing friend, who used to vote for the communists. The conversation almost turned into a shouting match (with me doing all the shouting, which surprised him because I usually don't shout). He wants to believe that what is written in the mainstream press is true, he feels he must let his heart bleed for the 2 year old boy who drowned in Turkey... Considers himself a true marxist dissenter, though.
Let's try to look beyond 2020. Germany, France and the rest of Western Europe have become chaotic, with millions of recent immigrants each (up to ten million in Germany alone), and no jobs or housing for them, not even food sometimes. Homeless, jobless, possibly starving immigrants invade homes, rape women and steal food. They turn Europe into Syria. What do we do? We fight and/or die.
But Europe is just a small part of the world. What does the rest of the world do when the EU becomes indistinguishable from Syria and Iraq ? Since European industries have been outsourced years ago, and what German industry produces can be produced by Japan and China, the rest of the world simply watches on its Japanese TV screens Europe falling into chaos, fascinated as if by a huge train wreck. Europe is a consumer of raw materials. China will be glad to consume the oil, silver, copper, etc, which the EU used to consume. Eastern European countries, with razor wire all over their borders, become buffer states on Russia's behalf. Page turned.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
I heard someone say, here in France, “people will realize that something’s very wrong only when their fridges are empty.”
As Lawrence Auster put it:
Have a look at this picture, taken a few weeks ago at one of Germany’s train stations.
In the foreground, a scruffy new arrival waving, like a victor in a ticker-tape parade, to the applauding people behind a makeshift barrier. Note the well-dressed young blondes in the background taking snapshots for their Facebook timelines.
See the crouching bearded Pakistani, already a German citizen, also taking pictures; he was an “engineer” back home, but his qualifications and ability turned out to be laughably inadequate for working in a tech firm in a first-world country. Now he runs an internet cafe and collects supplementary government assistance.
Near the left edge of the frame, a Somali who arrived a few weeks earlier, hoping to find some of his friends from the trek across Europe. And then there are the two Gutmenschen in faded blue jeans, both in their fifties and Green voters. The rapturous expression of the guy on the left indicates that his wildest dreams have come true: Germany will be changed beyond recognition.
His companion reaches out, wanting to touch the sainted immigrant. Maybe he expects some of the holiness to rub off on him. Both men are childless, they will die unlamented by family. But they are not without power now and by jiminy, they intend to wield it.
Brazil is a shithole, though it provides exciting employment for dirty cops and SWAT. Might be a thrilling career if I were younger
Brazil’s aerospace industry depends on its German minority. Why do they need the rest of the favela dwelling country?
Remember that all their toys, their cars, guns, internet, and phones, come from the First World outside their country. When the First World is gone, who will invent these things? A country modelled on Brazil will be shittier than ever. Their women aren’t even hot – lol don’t believe the hype
Bizarre that continuing immigration would be the thing that matters more than any other item of public concern. More than their social welfare, more than the common good, more than freaking survival, more than the safety of their children and women. The most important thing above all else, don’t do anything that anyone might call “racist.” Stupid with a capital S. This is like the modern heresy, the one thing that is absolutely abhorred and prohibited above all else. Insane, of course. There are much worse things than racism. Your own extinction would be right up there with being worse than racism.
"Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!"
What's the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy lifeReplies: @Difference Maker, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Olorin, @Big Bill
I admit it. I have all the prettiest girls and I want an easy life, just like the bankers want.
Let the immigrants work for me. It will not be the other way around
To help me, all you have to do is keep them out of my parks, schools, hospitals, and off my roads. And police them and pay for their welfare and healthcare
I remember that Quaterbowl. The way the champs put the puck across the uprights in the last seconds of the final inning had me on the edge of my seat.
Brazil doesn’t represent a rapid demographic shift. Going from Europe to brazil in a few decades will be tremendously chaotic.
Factions within the SPD are now starting to get freaked out by this whole thing also. People (including Germans) often overestimate the Germans’ ability to cope with cultural change.
http://m.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/a-1056046.html
"Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!"
What's the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy lifeReplies: @Difference Maker, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Olorin, @Big Bill
Compete for what?
Shagging ugly women?
Low wages?
No wages?
Low life expectancy?
High rates of incarceration?
High rates of HIV?
Low rates of having any contact with any decent or attractive women?
Yeah, you could be right. We can’t compete for all those lovely things.
Thats an interesting question. In countries like Algeria or even in war zones in Congo people live, laugh, love. And Maybe becoming just another MENA country is the worst which could happen to north-western/central Europe. Maybe it could become even worse, as raging muslim youths could meet less resistance in Germany, compared to e.g. Egypt. But even if it is worse, it will be probably better than in war zones in Congo, and as I said, even there the world has not ended.
The problem is: it will be a long way down from the living standard of Japan (Germany today) to the living standards of Colombia, Algeri or Cameroon (Germany in 20 years). It will feel bad because of the effect of a reversed hedonic treadmill, each step down will feel bad again.
Indian and chinese will have to look for new tourist destinations, because they are not interested to Algeria or Ghana today, and they will not interested in visiting Germany in 20 years
It is also the case that, whatever the faults of Latino immigration to the US maybe, Latinos will work. Both sexes. If they are illegal they have little choice in America as our social welfare benefits are not as generous. One of the big problems with Muslim societies is that they do not make much use of their female populations as compared to Europe, North America or Asia. Their women do not work at anything like western or asian labor participation rates. Throw in higher birth rates and Muslim populations have far more 'dependents' per worker than is the norm in Europe. Muslim men are also more work averse than Latino men. The Muslim man will not do the same jobs a Latino man will be glad to do. Manual labor is not the Muslims strong suit so even if Europe was in need of additional manpower, which it is not, Muslim immigration would be the least desirable immigrant population of all.Replies: @An Dee
Minor quibble. The problem is Arabs.
Indonesians are muslims and they are cheerful hard workers.
The problem is Arabs.
Uhh, to say the least...I am not so sure about that. Zum Beispiel: in the recent case of the young turkish woman Tuğçe Albayrak, who was punched in the face in a McDonald's parking lot, fell backward, struck her head, and was later removed from life support, the guy who hit her, "Sanel M", was a young punk of Balkan origins:
Sanel M. blickt auf eine Biografie als Schulversager zurück. So hatte er zunächst ein Gymnasium besucht und galt als ehrgeizig. Nachdem seine Leistungen nicht ausgereicht hatten, musste er auf eine Realschule wechseln, nach zwei Jahren schließlich 2012 in eine gewerblich-technische Schule. Dort durchlief Sanel M. ein Jahr, das ihn auf einen Beruf vorbereiten sollte. Er schwänzte aber wiederholt und zeigte bei einem Praktikum in einer Autowerkstatt nach Angaben der Mitarbeiter kaum Interesse.
To summarize: he was a complete failure right down the line -- never showed much interest in school or job training -- mostly did not bother to show up.
For the crime he got all of three years.
I don't think you'll find many Germans who have a positive view of people from the Balkans.Replies: @Mr. Anon, @German_reader, @Erik Sieven
we are not talking about good and bad but about bad and worse…Sinti and Roma are a menace, I have witnessed some absurd case of violent behavior by them. But they can easily be contained and avoided. Balkan muslims are a bigger problem, but still of all all Muslims the less problematic. Arabs are a completely different case
From today’s National Review:
“Which brings us to another reason Trump would be a disastrous champion for conservatives: He taints and discredits the important cause of controlling immigration, and would do the same to conservatism generally in the unlikely event that he became the nominee. Deterring illegal immigration and reducing legal immigration would serve the rule of law, promote national cohesion, and help both native-born and immigrant low-wage workers. This agenda is routinely dismissed, however, as an expression of nostalgia for a whiter country — or worse. Every time Trump suggests that people who have come here from Mexico are mostly drug runners and murderers, he makes it easier to think that legitimate conservative concerns about immigration are tantamount to racism.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru
Basically it amounts to the cuckservatives saying they’ll support controlling the border as soon as the liberal establishment doesn’t think border control is racist and gives them permission to support it. About the third of never. Immigration is a racial policy, it has no other serious component, and the refusal of Republicans and conservatives to acknowledge that reality is the very definition of cuckservatism.
This was in that article. I can't imagine anybody actually being this stupid and proving it to everybody by putting his name to this. Now, how are you going to prove this with some study, by interviewing the illegals or future illegals? How about we just look at the 1986 amnesty and see what that did?Replies: @Clyde
What is a nation? They’ll be destroyed AS GERMANY, as a people, as a culture and as a nation, and the native survivors will live in oppression. That the land will live on is neither here nor there. Bit like saying that if Charles Manson and family slaughtered your family and moved into your house it’ll be OK because the shell of the house will still exist and some sort of family life will still go on there. The important thing is what happened to the victims, not what the perps made of the opportunities afterward.
If you accept the idea that materialism (the American Dream, barf) is the most important thing in life, the most important thing in defining your nation you are already finished. There will always be a hostile takeover, from within and without, ready just around the corner.
The CSU has occasionally threatened to break their electoral alliance with the CDU, to get concessions. It is how they got their leader as the joint CDU-CSU Chancellor candidate in 1980. To carry out their threat, they would have to be prepared to go national. Right now they only run candidates in Bavaria, a state they control.
Germany is a federal system that uses proportional representation in its federal and state elections, but which incorporates districts electing single representatives to provide local representation. If the CSU went national, it would probably clear the 5% hurdle comfortably, and the proportional feature would allow it to do fine. The CDU competing in Bavaria would mean the defeat of some CSU district representatives, and more critically threaten CSU control of the Bavarian state government, which is a pretty big deal in itself. So you have a strategy in which the party would do fine or even better, but the politicians controlling the party would do worse.
But a split with the CSU over immigration does give them an opening to go national.
I’ll add there is a similar situation with the National Party in Australia, but the Nats have not been as effective in maintaining their independence and separate identity, and are slowly getting absorbed into the Liberals.
"Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!"
What's the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy lifeReplies: @Difference Maker, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Olorin, @Big Bill
Detect Bhutto, actually, if I have an easy live (relatively speaking), it’s because I earned it. Still, in our seventies, my wife and I both work part time, can never save enough. Five children, all well educated and successful at their careers and, good citizens. There is , however, an element of black men that I do find scary and it has nothing to do with masculinity, but criminality. You need to vet those seeking to enter your country, not just open the door and say have at it. Actually, people like you scare me.
4 to 8? Is that all? In your dreams. I say at least 10. And then, those 10 will jerk in 10 more….it will never end. I cannot believe this is happening.
The fact that this is true -- and it is -- shows just how corrupt and useless politics and politicians are in Germany. One of these parties should be the main opposition party -- given what is going on now, you would normally expect the SPD to be in charge, and the CDU would be leading opposition to it. But no, actually the CDU is the senior partner in the current Gr0ße Koalition -- that's why Merkel is Kanzlerin -- and the CDU and SPD are cooperating to screw Germany and future generations of Germans.
Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called – “bipartisanship.”
In many ways, the mindset of many Germans, and therefore also of the German government, more resembles communism than capitalism. Being a member of the Gesellschaft (during, uhh, earlier times this may have been called the Volksgemeinschaft), is seen as more important than being an individual. For this reason, you rarely encounter skepticism about big government -- actually, it seems to many Germans 'the bigger the better' -- eg they depend on big government to enforce the so-called Vertrag der Generationen, which they see as guaranteeing their retirement pension.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Berlitz
Now it’s the Volkswagengemeinschaft. Don’t inhale the fumes.
To repeat myself again. For Europe to persist into the current century, two actions are necessary.
1/. The complete and absolute dissolution of the EU.
2/. The election of unashamedly nationalist political parties to government in the European nations.Replies: @Stubborn in Germany, @Olorin
It started long before 1951.
Consider what happened to German national sovereignty after the Treaty of Versailles.
Germans in Eugen and Malmedy were made Belgians by decree, in Alsace-Lorraine, French. Germans in Eastern Upper Silesia amd Poznania were made Poles. Germans in Danzig and the Saar were made whatever you call people ruled by the League of Nations.
It wasn’t just Germans. 3.5 million Germans, 3 million Slovaks, 1 million Hungarians, and 150,000 Poles were handed over to the newly created nation of Czecho-Slovakia, to be ruled by 7 million Czechs.
Hungary saw her domain reduced from 125,000 square miles to 36,000. The 2 million Hungarians residing in Transylvania were given to Rumania. Half a million Hungarians and their lands were handed over the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes.
Germans in many parts of Europe were denied any plebescite or say in which nation the powers that be assigned them to.
Europeans–Germans in particular–have been tinkered with in various ways for at least the entire period of forced globalization.
Some say that began at Versailles. I’m not so sure…but it certainly got more systematic, organized, and jackbooted-brutal with the League of Nations. It should not surprise us that its SJW miscegenation-happy daughter, the UN, and its evil genius bastard stepchild, the EU, would operate in the same global-elitist manner.
And punitive.
The goal is open borders. That’s all there is to it. One globe, under Rockefeller and Gates and Zuckerberg, with liberty and justice for those who define both and can afford it.
Too many Germans of today are desperately trying to get out from under the lies told about them for the past 100 years. “Are we nice yet? Are we good? Are we done having to feel guilty? If we disappear, will we then be forgiven?”
It is the next step in human history.
It will serve to be the last, as those of influence (as you kindly put it) spur the proliferation of hordes who will force a regression to the mean that no tiny majority of evolutionarily gifted people can offset no matter how viciously they are yoked to the globalizers’ chariot cult.
As for me and mine, we’re jojking winter. Bring it on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earnest_Hooton
>During World War II, Hooton proposed to eradicate the German people by infiltrating them slowly with masses of non-European male immigrants, thereby breed "war strains" out of them.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Germany_Must_Perish.pdf
>In an article headlined "Breed War Strain Out of Germans" in the New York daily newspaper P.M., January 4, 1943, Ernest Hooton laid out an "outbreeding" plan that would "destroy German nationalism and aggressive ideology while retaining and perpetuating desirable German biological and sociological capacities."
>The Harvard University professor's proposal called for genetically transforming the German nation by encouraging mating of German women with non-German men, who would be brought into the country in large numbers.
>This plan, Hooton estimated, would require at least 20 years to be implemented. "During this period," he went on, "encourage also the immigration and settlement in the German states of non-German nationals, especially males."
See also the Morgenthau Plan, or the Society for the Prevention of World War III, which opposed the Marshall Plan. The big political divide in the aftermath of World War II was between liberals and progressives, like Morgenthau, who wanted to utterly destroy Germany as punishment for Nazism, these guys were concentrated in the press, the cultural industry and the intelligentsia (see Rex Stout, for example). On the other side there were moderate, military types, who sympathized with Germans and saw them as a bulwark against communism.
Well, now communism is defeated, the military has no political power anymore and the intelligentsia, the press and cultural sphere has more power than ever. They can finally enact their plans.Replies: @Olorin
> That’s not “self-destructive stupidity”, that’s destructive malice.
I entirely agree, and it’s been focused on Germany for a century for what I have concluded are entirely HBD reasons.
Did you know that Barbara Tuchman’s grandpa was Henry Morgenthau, Sr.? (Yes, THAT Morgenthau.)
Her daddy was one of FDR’s dollar-a-year men, an M&A specialization financier who owned The Nation magazine.
Very convenient to turn around the Germans’ desire to continue existing as a people, and claim THEY are the eugenicists, the genocidal, the original-sin bearers of Satanic depravity.
Misdirection works best when done at a culturally/socially saturation level, such as the MSM have been able to deliver since the age of Bernays. And when coupled with carefully engineered, systematically peddled idealism and violation of observed natural phenomena, both of which light up the Faith centers of the cerebral cortex.
"Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!"
What's the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy lifeReplies: @Difference Maker, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Olorin, @Big Bill
Hm…I got a whiff of Ford Foundation PR lackey troll…but then it changed to Rockefeller Brothers…
…so let me guess. You’re with The Atlantic.
He wasn’t having it; so she aborted
Next they (the BRD) can adopt the motto from the Wienerschnitzel TV spots: “Kinda German”
Good timing too, won’t the extra hands be needed to pull off Oktoberfest? The kegs rotting on the shelf bring a tear to mein Auge
Ho ho ho! Just admit, you are too cowardly to emigrate to Syria! The Black Man is the globotarian champion of your bete noir “the media,” ha ha… So stop whining about refugees who fuge harder than you can.
Jafarvergnügen: the pleasure of Islamicization
It’s times like this, I wonder where Judith Bonesky is… (Obviously at the gym, where there have never been so many buff foreign men to sidle up to)
The fact that this is true -- and it is -- shows just how corrupt and useless politics and politicians are in Germany. One of these parties should be the main opposition party -- given what is going on now, you would normally expect the SPD to be in charge, and the CDU would be leading opposition to it. But no, actually the CDU is the senior partner in the current Gr0ße Koalition -- that's why Merkel is Kanzlerin -- and the CDU and SPD are cooperating to screw Germany and future generations of Germans.
Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called – “bipartisanship.”
In many ways, the mindset of many Germans, and therefore also of the German government, more resembles communism than capitalism. Being a member of the Gesellschaft (during, uhh, earlier times this may have been called the Volksgemeinschaft), is seen as more important than being an individual. For this reason, you rarely encounter skepticism about big government -- actually, it seems to many Germans 'the bigger the better' -- eg they depend on big government to enforce the so-called Vertrag der Generationen, which they see as guaranteeing their retirement pension.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Berlitz
If it weren’t for Germany we wouldn’t have had all these problems all these years… What? I’m just stating historical fact here, referring to Friedrich Engels of course. Btw do you like the umlaut, I think it makes me look more metal
Plus the enforcement provisions were sabotaged by Congress and the permanent Federal bureaucracy. These 3 million legally and illegally brought in their families and compadres. They were the seed corn for the mess we have today with 20-30 million illegals.
http://www.vdare.com/posts/ed-meese-says-reagan-regretted-1986-amnestyReplies: @MarkinLA
Plus the enforcement provisions were sabotaged by Congress and the permanent Federal bureaucracy.
You can’t blame Congress alone when the Executive doesn’t lift a finger to make something happen. They were all guilty and those immigration courts created by that amnesty never had to happen, they were created to make sure almost nobody was ever deported in the future.
Strictly in terms of progress, Germany and Western Europe will become like Brazil in short order. Back in the 60's and 70's knowledgeable people were predicting that Brazil would emerge as a world power. What happened?? No matter how much you naturally or unnaturally segregate a country's cognitive elites and achievers, a burgeoning (dynamic rather static population) underclass is crippling. And Brazil would be a lot worse off were it not for outside countries assisting it through patronization (esp. the U.S.). The U.S. and Western Europe are moving quickly toward the global equilibrium at an increasing rate (actually, increasing at an increasing rate). In Western Europe (and Europe in general, b/c they all hitched their wagons to the West) things will be orders of magnitude more crippling than Brazil do to the toxic mix of Islam and low-IQed tribal peoples and their rapid breeding.
Pros:
The power of the problem-makers will be weakened. The ability to facilitate the support of actions antithetical to civilization, esp. Christian civilization (e.g., supporting jihadism and the destruction of sovereign countries), will be seriously reduced due to economic decline and general societal disorder. Meanwhile, countries embracing Christian culture-- Russia, China (soon to have the most Christians of any country), and the Pacific Rim) won't have to put up with the never ending schemes to undermine them, and have shit thrown at them, from the Problem-makers. As the Ven. Fulton Sheen said in a talk given over 40 years ago, we must look to the East for the future of the Christian church. Scary, because at that time the statement seems ludicrous.Replies: @Alfa158
That prediction actually goes back to the 30’s. Scholars believed that the Soviet Union and Brazil would be the two great bipolar superpowers dominating the world by the end of the 20th century, based purely on their land area and natural resources. There was no conception that race, culture or politics could have a significant effect on the outcomes for a society, it was all down to simple material measures.
I’d take any of Chile, Uruguay, or Argentina over Brazil.
"Which brings us to another reason Trump would be a disastrous champion for conservatives: He taints and discredits the important cause of controlling immigration, and would do the same to conservatism generally in the unlikely event that he became the nominee. Deterring illegal immigration and reducing legal immigration would serve the rule of law, promote national cohesion, and help both native-born and immigrant low-wage workers. This agenda is routinely dismissed, however, as an expression of nostalgia for a whiter country — or worse. Every time Trump suggests that people who have come here from Mexico are mostly drug runners and murderers, he makes it easier to think that legitimate conservative concerns about immigration are tantamount to racism."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425010/donald-trump-lowry-ponnuru
Basically it amounts to the cuckservatives saying they'll support controlling the border as soon as the liberal establishment doesn't think border control is racist and gives them permission to support it. About the third of never. Immigration is a racial policy, it has no other serious component, and the refusal of Republicans and conservatives to acknowledge that reality is the very definition of cuckservatism.Replies: @MarkinLA
Only later, after establishing that granting legal status to illegal immigrants here will not lead to a greater influx of illegal immigrants, should an amnesty be considered.
This was in that article. I can’t imagine anybody actually being this stupid and proving it to everybody by putting his name to this. Now, how are you going to prove this with some study, by interviewing the illegals or future illegals? How about we just look at the 1986 amnesty and see what that did?
1) It is hopeless to try to prevent people from entering your country.
2) After they’ve entered you can’t deport them. (Note that this implies that even those eventually refused asylum will end up staying anyway.)
3) Later on, all the relatives get to come too.
Sounds like a great system. I guess the equilibrium will be reached when all countries reach an approximately equal level of crappiness. Or within a tolerance for the relocation costs which are steadily declining.
Here is a clip of that limey twit John Oliver explaining how supposedly heartless and unwelcoming the Europeans have been. He can’t fathom the idea of not wanting a mosque on every corner.
http://youtu.be/umqvYhb3wf4
See, e.g., Latvia, Ukraine, Ireland, Yugoslavia and Greece.
Shagging ugly women?
Low wages?
No wages?
Low life expectancy?
High rates of incarceration?
High rates of HIV?
Low rates of having any contact with any decent or attractive women?
Yeah, you could be right. We can't compete for all those lovely things.Replies: @Stan D Mute
I won’t respond to the troll, but I’ll reply to your response to the troll. So I’m troll-baited by proxy I guess. Anyway, the issue is that we aren’t permitted to compete against or defend our homeland from invasion by the savage hordes. Our government grants the primitives extra advantages while burdening us with the resulting costs. Should we defend our nation directly, our government would imprison us. If our government wouldn’t punish us severely, I am certain that millions of American men would camp on our southern border in rotating shifts on a purely voluntary basis. Our problem is not with Africans, Arabs, or Mesoamerican Indians, but with our fascist government.
This was in that article. I can't imagine anybody actually being this stupid and proving it to everybody by putting his name to this. Now, how are you going to prove this with some study, by interviewing the illegals or future illegals? How about we just look at the 1986 amnesty and see what that did?Replies: @Clyde
It is heartening that the comments at Rich Lowery’s “takedown” of Donald Trump are running 75% against Lowry. The National Review has the same problem the NY Times has. Both are to the left of their commenters.
I think they would understand Schadenfreude better; from our perspective it would be a form of reverse psychology since they hate us so much.
Ha ha! The Nazis finally went and committed suicide! So much the better for Europe and the world! America must seize this opportunity to short-sell investment in German infrastructure. Suckas!Replies: @Bill Jones
Ah, the Suicidee was Frau Merkel, who was a communistic, not a Nazi last time I looked
“Germany’s top-selling newspaper cited an internal forecast from authorities that it said had been classed as confidential.”
Since when do government estimates of the numbers of migrants who might arrive under a particular policy qualify as “classified”?
Any (small d) democrat with a lick of self-respect, no matter where they stand on the policy itself, would be furious at the idea that a democratic government has any right to keep such information from the voters.
Germany is struggling mightily to feed, clothe, house the people it has already taken in. What will it do when it has to feed, clothe, house, and employee all of those people plus the family members who join them?
2) After they've entered you can't deport them. (Note that this implies that even those eventually refused asylum will end up staying anyway.)
3) Later on, all the relatives get to come too.
Sounds like a great system. I guess the equilibrium will be reached when all countries reach an approximately equal level of crappiness. Or within a tolerance for the relocation costs which are steadily declining.
Here is a clip of that limey twit John Oliver explaining how supposedly heartless and unwelcoming the Europeans have been. He can't fathom the idea of not wanting a mosque on every corner.
http://youtu.be/umqvYhb3wf4Replies: @Wilkey, @Big Bill
Is John Oliver is supposed to be humorous? His piece uses “humor” and mockery to take a serious subject and make it unserious.
"Oh no, here come the scary Black Men!"
What's the matter? Afraid you cannot compete with masculine men?
Just admit you want an easy lifeReplies: @Difference Maker, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Olorin, @Big Bill
It’s not that we can’t compete with them, it’s that we can’t pay for them. They have failed as competitors and that is why they have run away from home and are showing up on our doorstep begging us to let them in.
Figure the costs. 1,500,000 this year, times a minimum of $30,000 to feed, clothe, house, medicate, police, hospitalize, fire protect, entertain and educate each and every one of those 85 IQ suckers per year. That is $9 billion per year.
And each one is going to bring in 4-8 baby-mamas and sprogs. That is going to cost $35 to $70 billion more per year.
And each additional year of free immigration is going to add ANOTHER $9 billion (plus $30 to $70 billion for wimmin and sprogs).
In five years there are going to be so many synchronized Muslim bottoms bobbing up and down at Friday prayers that German seismometers are going to register a good 3.5 on the Richter scale!
2) After they've entered you can't deport them. (Note that this implies that even those eventually refused asylum will end up staying anyway.)
3) Later on, all the relatives get to come too.
Sounds like a great system. I guess the equilibrium will be reached when all countries reach an approximately equal level of crappiness. Or within a tolerance for the relocation costs which are steadily declining.
Here is a clip of that limey twit John Oliver explaining how supposedly heartless and unwelcoming the Europeans have been. He can't fathom the idea of not wanting a mosque on every corner.
http://youtu.be/umqvYhb3wf4Replies: @Wilkey, @Big Bill
It will stop when Germany has borrowed so much money from the bankstas to pay for all the migrants and chaos, that their economy collapses, they default, and the bankstas buy up the entire country, ten cents on the dollar, as repayment of the debt.
See, e.g., Latvia, Ukraine, Ireland, Yugoslavia and Greece.