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From the NYT:

Affirmative Action Battle Has a New Focus: Asian-Americans
By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS and STEPHANIE SAUL AUG. 2, 2017

… Students like Mr. Jia are now the subject of a lawsuit accusing Harvard of discriminating against Asian-Americans in admissions by imposing a penalty for their high achievement and giving preferences to other racial minorities.

The case, which is clearly aimed for the Supreme Court, puts Asian-Americans front and center in the latest stage of the affirmative action debate. The issue is whether there has been discrimination against Asian-Americans in the name of creating a diverse student body. The Justice Department, which has signaled that it is looking to investigate “intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions,” may well focus on Harvard.

The Harvard case asserts that the university’s admissions process amounts to an illegal quota system, in which roughly the same percentage of African-Americans, Hispanics, whites and Asian-Americans have been admitted year after year, despite fluctuations in application rates and qualifications. …

The federal government potentially has the ability to influence university admissions policies by withholding federal funds under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which forbids racial discrimination in programs that receive federal money. …

A Princeton study found that students who identify as Asian need to score 140 points higher on the SAT than whites to have the same chance of admission to private colleges, a difference some have called “the Asian tax.”

Here’s Thomas J. Espenshade’s 2009 table from Inside Higher Education:

Screenshot 2017-08-03 20.40.55

So Asians are 140 points (out of 1600 on a two-part SAT or roughly 0.7 standard deviations) worse off than whites, 270 points worse of than Hispanics and a hilarious 450 points (approaching 2.25 standard deviations) worse off than blacks. (Can that be right? That would be like an Asian at the 98th percentile of SAT scores having the same chance at a private college as a black at the 50th percentile.)

Also interestingly, the upper middle class are modestly favored over the middle class.

Note that these scores are from 20 years ago, and the Asian advantage in test-taking has been growing since then.

The lawsuit also cites Harvard’s Asian-American enrollment at 18 percent in 2013, and notes very similar numbers ranging from 14 to 18 percent at other Ivy League colleges, like Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Princeton and Yale.

The Bush Administration sued Harvard and 21 other colleges for running an annual cartel meeting called the Overlap Committee where they got together and decided who would admit whom. Shamefaced, Harvard agreed to stop their anti-competitive behavior, but MIT held out. The Clinton Administration came in and dropped the case against the colleges because, well, colleges are Good so mere laws don’t apply to them. (Moreover the Clinton Administrations was on its way toward deciding that anti-trust laws shouldn’t stop Exxon and Mobil from merging.)

But despite Harvard’s brief bout of conscience a quarter of a century ago over anti-trust, don’t expect Harvard to be a pushover for the Asians. First, those Asians who get in quickly get over their heartache over their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers, and make lots of awesome new winner friends at Harvard. For example:

Some Asian-American students believe Harvard’s system has enriched their educational experience. Emily Choi, who will be a junior with a history and literature concentration at Harvard this fall, said the university had been her dream school since she visited in seventh grade. … she was glad of the diversity she found at Harvard.

“I firmly believe in affirmative action,” Ms. Choi said. “The diversity at Harvard has been key to my learning, and I think that if there weren’t so many people of different backgrounds, I wouldn’t be forced to think about things in new ways.”

Second, it’s not clear that even Asians want Harvard to turn into UC Irvine, which is only about 15% white these days. Smart whites are cooler than smart Asians.

Third, Harvard seems to be lucky at persuading courts to go along with whatever it is doing and wants to keep doing, which is probably not luck. In the 1977 Bakke case about affirmative action, for some complex reason the whole decision wound up in the hands of Lewis Powell who just wanted to do whatever Harvard did, which mostly involved using the word “goal” instead of “quota,” or maybe using “quota” instead of “goal.”

Fourth, Harvard really does study these issues quantitatively. Robert Klitgaard’s mid-80s book Choosing Elites recounts many of the studies and modeling Harvard ran in the 1970s to figure out what to do about blacks. Harvard has an endowment of close to $40 billion these days, so they are pretty good at getting what they want.

Fifth, Harvard has been Harvard for roughly 381 years now, so I wouldn’t bet against Harvard allowing itself to be inconvenienced.

By the way in the big affirmative action cases of 2003, Grutter and Gratz, Sandra Day O’Connor’s controlling decision seemed to put a 25 year time limit on racial quotas, saying she didn’t expect there to be any need for quotas in 25 years.

In 2017, we’re now 14/25ths of the way to the deadline. Has 14/25ths of the Gap closed?

 
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  1. Four legs good, two legs better!

  2. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Harvard generated wealth and influence over the last 30 years by developing themselves as feeders for investment banking and to a lesser extent management consulting. They oriented their admissions toward finding the ideal recruiting class for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley, who want smart, disciplined, ambitious, but not necessarily too academic. But IB is shrinking and changing as an employer, being replaced by passive funds and quant trading. It seems that tech and media will be the dominant industries of the future, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Harvard reorients itself toward nerdier and maybe more creative. So, dont be surprised if Harvard looks a lot more like Berkeley in the future (probably not Irvine).

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Any reference to Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot that doesn't mention the role of central banking in creating Harvard's ill-gotten gains is misleading to say the least. Raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent and Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot would vanish without a trace.

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard's pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.

    HARVARD HATES AMERICA

    THE IVY LEAGUE MUST BE DESTROYED
  3. Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    • Replies: @sabril

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially?
     
    One problem is that if you are the son or daughter of a powerful politician, it greatly enhances your chances of getting into an elite college.
    , @Carbon blob
    The voters did this in California. The UC system managed to re-implement racial preferences under the guise of 'holistic admissions'.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Not realistically, the legislative arm of the government basically seems stuck in inertia while the Supreme Court runs around declaring the constitution demands gay marriages. Its that kind of a system.
    , @Jack Hanson
    You missed the part where the cuck wing of the Rs, fresh off agitating for a land war with Russia, acted as if the Nationalist sing was a bunch of hotheads for going after academia after they let riots occur yo shut down badthink.
    , @Clark Westwood

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.
     
    These Asian plaintiffs are actually anti-Affirmative Action. They want true color-blind admissions, because their grades and test scores are better than those of the competition.
    , @International Jew

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively
     
    I guess you mean, at the national legislative level. Because at the state level, any number of states have banned affirmative action — California, Texas and Michigan among them — and those laws have ended up in court, usually losing, as some of the best-known cases of our time.
  4. If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn’t think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that’s a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, Triumph104
    • Replies: @anonymouslee
    I found out from my sister (a recent graduate of a US medical school) that they have remedial classes for the AA admits. Remedial classes. In medical school. Not just for community college anymore!
    , @benjaminl
    It seems like the issue of AA for firemen, heavily covered by Steve a few years ago, would also fit in here.

    Richard Sander tried to do something similar with law schools ("mismatch"), and the establishment response was:
    1. Fight tooth and nail to keep him from getting the data (cf. studying race and crime)
    2. Focus exclusively on refuting Sander's claim that AA is "bad for blacks," studiously ignoring the question of whether AA is fair to whites or society at large
    , @Pat Boyle
    I live in Oakland and go to Kaiser Permanente Medical. If you look at the website you will see many beaming black faces. All the upper management is black. But there do not seem to be any black physicians. All the doctors are East Asians - Koreans, Chinese or Japanese.

    I'm quite happy with the level of care available from the Oriental staff. If there were a black doctor and I was sent to him, I would protest. Health is too important to indulge in political correctness.
    , @prole
    I agree....we need to ban affirmative action at medical schools and eliminate the preferences given to females. Male doctors are more productive, do not take 3 months maternity leave. Have longer careers and work longer hours.
    , @anonymous
    Q: What does the student of Proust actually DO with a liberal arts degree these days? Even from Hah-vahd.

    A: Law School.

    Thence onward: to either a white shoe law firm, or DC to participate in millenarian social engineering projects. Thence on to a career on MSNBC.
    , @anarchyst
    Q: What do you call the medical school student who graduates at the bottom of his class?

    A: "Doctor".
    , @Boris M Garsky
    Unfortunately, so very true.
  5. Didn’t Bill Clinton once say about affirmative action, that without it, Berkeley would one day be all Asian? He may have been right. The footage of Clinton making this statement was somehow lost.

    Similarly, 1995 footage of Peter Jennings on World News Tonight talking over a sack on “The Bell Curve” with Nazi storm troupers marching and swastikas flying in an over the shoulder graphic appears to be lost to history.

    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    I remember that. He said, "if students were accepted only on grades and test scores, we'd have entire universities in California that would be all Asian American."

    This is one of those facts that all the races need to come to grips with. Some form of racial discrimination is inevitable.
    , @Stan Adams
    https://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/broadcasts/151406
  6. Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture – they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a “cool Asian,” much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a “good white.”

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Another "paradox" is that by ethnically disaggregating Asian achievement to counter the "model minority myth" they consider themselves to be strengthening a broad Asian-American coalition (by using the underachievement of some to gain victimhood for all).

    Affirmative action support looks like a strategic maneuver, not a lack of cohesion. They've overextended themselves on the Achievement front, and that's left them vulnerable to the counterattack of Race-Blind Meritocracy, the ultimate foe of identity politics. They can withdraw and send reinforcements to the general victimhood paradigm under which their particular lack of cultural and political heft even if innate is a valid grievance against institutions (much like other non-whites' scholastic shortcomings).

    They might be the dork of the PoC coalition but they'd be even uncooler on fading Team White, dissolved into Can't We All Just Be Americans? They've noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease these days.
    , @Yak-15
    Asians lack cohesion because many are relatively recent immigrants that come from vastly different cultures. Indians will not find much in common with Filipinos or Japanese. So, it's hard for them to build a unified front.

    As an aside, treating them as a monolith is stupid in admissions because some groups are vastly more capable than others.
    , @benjaminl
    Back ten years ago at least, it was considered OK by the ruling class to mock uncool Asians, e.g. the unfortunate Jian Li who sued over failing to gain admission, despite numbers that would have been a shoo-in for "Juan Lee" (as my auto-correct suggests)

    http://gawker.com/230391/daily-princetonian-joke-op-ed-steams-jian-lis-dumplings
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US.
     
    No, that'll be whites.

    Insofar as being incohesive, its because Asians have little reason to be cohesive from the perspective of a spoils system. For the most part, the best winning strategy would be to argue for meritocracy since we tend to do well there. But even an attempt at something more cohesive would be futile, since we would define ourselves more closely as Chinese,Japanese, etc, than the broad term of Asian.

    I don't support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn't.
    , @Anon
    Either that or their numbers are growing.

    "Never complain until you are strong enough to demand"

    Lee kuan Pitts
  7. This single blog posting contains several harbingers of our American doom.

    By the time I got to the bottom and the Sandra Day flashback I felt like slitting my wrists.

    This is not a serious country anymore. Obviously.

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    Just pull up a chair, make some popcorn, crack open a cold one, and watch the fun. Better than everything on HBO, AMC, Hulu, and Netflix combined.
  8. But ala Richard Spencer I do not feel sorry for these Asian-Americans Asians — I agree they are being treated unfairly, but I have no sympathy for them — instead I feel sorry for white kids — especially eg in CA, where the over-representation of Asians at UC is shocking.

    https://twitter.com/Brannon1776/status/862875649362546693

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    California has 39.2 million people in it. New Hampshire has 1.3 million people. There are millions of White Core Americans in California without any political representation. That can't go on much longer.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control. Choice land and property on the California coast will be their reward. We are heading for a constitutional crisis that will destroy the anti-White totalitarianism currently in power.
    , @wrd9
    Racial and Ethnic Preferences and Consequences at the University of Maryland School of Medicine

    http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/653/MDMED.pdf
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/893746000065683457
  9. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    If it can be proved that Harvard discriminates about lower-income Asians with high test scores, a court case is not going to go well for Harvard. There’s no earthly reason for the university, when choosing between for two low-income applicants, one Asian, and one black, to choose one with the test scores that are far lower.

    Harvard probably feels that Asians deserve to have opportunities yanked away from them because Asians work hard and blacks are lazy, so Asians will make up for it later in life. However, it’s worth asking why the heck does anyone want to give an education to someone who doesn’t want to work? They’ll never made anything out of themselves after they graduate, so it’s a waste of time.

  10. I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?
     
    They're not automatons, and will look at the name, the parents names, and any clues to ethnicity in the personal essay. Besides, there may well be an interview.

    But I do know of an East Indian girl who was born in Kenya and holds Kenyan citizenship who checked African on her Stanford form, and got in with a modest academic record. She was interviewed, so it is possible that that had nothing to do with it. Or maybe it did.
    , @Anon
    Have him write a Victim Creed.

    "US blow up my country real good. Agent Orange do much harm. It no good. Boat People and such. Napalm. Me trauma. Let me in Harvard. Heal me good."
    , @syonredux

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white?
     
    Mentioned this elsewhere, but I've known some Hapas (European fathers, East Asian mothers) with European surnames who checked the "White" box on their applications and avoided mentioning their biracial status on their essays. They got into their top picks.
    , @Tim Howells
    I vaguely remember a story about a White guy who got into Harvard by stating he was African-American. It worked, but he was later questioned by the adminstration, once they got a look at him. He said that he thought we were all of African descent, citing the "out of Africa" theory of human origins. Not sure how that all worked out.
    , @Ganderson
    Have him change his name to "Running Bear". Lizzie Warren will help you through the process.
    , @Travis
    He should state he is hispanic, and he gets extra admission points. My College girlfriend was from Peru and half Chinese. She benefitted from affirmative action due to her Spanish name.

    It would certainly work. Many amerindians have oriental features, so even if they interview him he would be accepted as hispanic.
    , @Cortes
    Opting for "African" is unlikely to be helpful. A friend (RIP) got himself a guaranteed interview in the mid-1990s for a plum local government job using the same strategy. When he showed up shiny and and pink the panel eventually raised the question of his background and was unimpressed by his statement that his family originated in the East African Rift Valley.
    More practical for your son might be to identify himself as Apache; in John Sandford's Virgil Flowers novel "Heat Lightning" the Red Lake Sioux/Chippewa Reservation cops of North Minnesota mistakenly thought that a murder suspect who is actually Vietnamese was Apache because of the similarity in build and facial features to Apache BIA agents they had met.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    He'll be better off with "other" and claim to be "multiracial" if asked, I think. It feels very wrong though, but I suppose if the system itself is haywire. Meh.
    , @anonymous
    Your son shouldn't be required to disclose his race in the first place!! THAT----is part of the problem! If his grades and college scores are acceptable and if you can afford the tuition then that's all that should count. On the other hand, this is apparently too much to ask of a higher education bureaucracy that is fixated on squaring the circle.
  11. Rule of Law is for little people.

    Some just rule.

  12. 1. How will this impact Harvard’s football team?

    2. Harvard was originally a school for young Puritans, is that a legal goal?

    • Replies: @benjaminl
    Funny you should mention the Puritans...

    #bloodguilt

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/04/06/harvard-founded-stock-puritans-wants-them-gone-from-alma-mater/C7FmnbJyMRGR2ZXo8YeriN/amp.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4396088/amp/Harvard-dropping-Puritan-alma-mater.html
  13. Well, here’s a link to a lengthy comment I just left on the previous thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/whites-a-minority-in-2017-harvard-freshman-class/#comment-1955496

    And for those interested, here’s a link to my exhaustive Meritocracy article from few years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    And a handy demographic enrollment tool for all 3000-odd colleges in America:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=186131&Institution=Princeton+University

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    Ron,

    your article had two independent arguments: that too few Asians are admitted (based on National Merit semifinalist rates), and that too many Jews are admitted (comparing those NMSF rates to Hillel enrollment estimates). Did you ever respond to Nurit Baytch's data appearing to refute the second point?

    She commented under your Meritocracy article, comment number 161, with a link to her long counter-article on this particular Jewish Question:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#comment-51932

    , @Romanian
    Your article was a revelation for me. I have it saved and post it in the Facebook comments of any Economist article that deals with University admissions (such as one they posted today).
  14. Second, it’s not clear that even Asians want Harvard to turn into UC Irvine, which is only about 15% white these days.

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either. I didn’t think of Asians when leaving this comment over at LOTB’s blog yesterday, but I think this idea of rebalancing America’s demographics might appeal to them too:

    The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction. Imagine if Trump runs for reelection in 2020 on a platform of, over time, using immigration to move America half way back to its pre-1965 demographic balance, say, a white percentage of 75%, and pointed out that the Democrats’ goal is for whites to become a minority in America. He could also point out that the Democrats’ goal of integrating schools and neighborhoods with white people will be easier to accomplish when there are more white people to go around. To sweeten the pot, he could throw in reparations for descendants of slaves, as part of the deal (in return for abolishing Affirmative Action).

    Let Democrats run against that. Trump would probably get 65% of the white vote, 35% of the Hispanic vote, and 20% of the black vote (Dems would counter with their own reparations proposal, and retain most black votes).

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either.
     
    I don't claim to speak for Asians in the United States, but as an assimilationist American of Asian-origin with half-white children, *I* don't want the U.S. to turn into Asia (even the fancy sort).

    In point of fact, I start getting uncomfortable when the Asian population in an area starts approaching 15% or so. For me, the ideal number is about 10% (e.g. whites 85%, Asians 10%, 5% the rest). At that level, you get some interesting restaurants, shops, and whatnot, without disturbing the essentially Anglo-American character of the community.

    Derbyshire once said that diversity was like salt in a soup - a little bit makes things more interesting, but too much ruins the soup. Well, I like being that little bit of salt that makes the soup tastier. I don't want too much salt ruining the soup at all. I love the soup.
    , @europeasant
    "The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction"

    The key to America's demographic change is not political, it is economic. If America's population growth falls under 0.7 percent then there will be a financial crash. America's economic success depends on an ever expanding population. Growth has to occur and if America's native population does not grow at least 0.7 percent yearly than America has to import people from other parts of the world.I know many European(White) people that have few or no children.

    There are billions of people in the world mostly from third world countries that America can import. A ready supply of consumers.More food to consume, more toilet paper, more housing,more cars,etc,etc.

    There seems to be nothing we can do to stop this.Nature will run itz course.

    The same is true of Europe.
  15. My friends this is way off topic . But really what is the topic here ? I have found that we can all find acquaintances , you know guys that we might spend every day with ashore . But they are only acquaintances , they are not friends . Friends are like “”Grace” which is most often associated with the sovereign dispensing of totally undeserved favors . However similar they may appear to be, these words are not synonyms. We cannot pick and choose our friends . For instance I myself distrust and despise females and yet of the five people that care about me four of them are female type personnel and I trust them . As opposed to my own brother who is trying to cheat me out of my inheritance . You know I need that money but I have paid my own way and I would rather push a grocery cart up and down York ave. than cheat an honest man or a dishonest man . This by the way is not a hypothetical situation . It is for real . Am I a fool to place my trust in the empty promises of an imaginary God that promises justice , or should I split my scheming brother’s head open from crown to jaw and with my brand new 8.9 llb meat cleaver and follow up with killing his kike wife and precious little half bred on his way to Cambridge U .

  16. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    They’re not automatons, and will look at the name, the parents names, and any clues to ethnicity in the personal essay. Besides, there may well be an interview.

    But I do know of an East Indian girl who was born in Kenya and holds Kenyan citizenship who checked African on her Stanford form, and got in with a modest academic record. She was interviewed, so it is possible that that had nothing to do with it. Or maybe it did.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    But I do know of an East Indian girl who was born in Kenya and holds Kenyan citizenship who checked African on her Stanford form, and got in with a modest academic record. She was interviewed, so it is possible that that had nothing to do with it. Or maybe it did.
     
    Your uncertainty means they're doing things right. ;-)
  17. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    I found out from my sister (a recent graduate of a US medical school) that they have remedial classes for the AA admits. Remedial classes. In medical school. Not just for community college anymore!

    • Replies: @Ed
    Not as dire as remedial courses at medical school but at my business school they had remedial courses. The classes were conducted during the summer before school officially started, so most of my classmates were unaware it even existed.

    One of the students, a friend, got a full ride in terms of tuition . His GMAT score was 550, average GMAT score at the time was about 670-680.
  18. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    Have him write a Victim Creed.

    “US blow up my country real good. Agent Orange do much harm. It no good. Boat People and such. Napalm. Me trauma. Let me in Harvard. Heal me good.”

  19. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white?

    Mentioned this elsewhere, but I’ve known some Hapas (European fathers, East Asian mothers) with European surnames who checked the “White” box on their applications and avoided mentioning their biracial status on their essays. They got into their top picks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.
  20. Do you know that legal Asian (China, subcons and so on) immigration was larger than legal Hispanic immigration? I read this two years ago and it applied to the previous decade. Due to white guilt and proximity, white Australia is being swamped by the one two knockout punch of legal Chinese and Subcons.
    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.

    *fresh off the boat.
    ** For Caribbeans and CentAms this is fresh off the banana boat according to Harry Belafonte

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.
     
    Clyde, I have noticed that any university town will have a fairly large contingent of Chinese people - the students (mostly grad., but some undergrad), parents who come on visas to take care of grandchildren - a whole bunch. In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students. It's out of hand, and solely about the bucks. (No, Catholic School is not cheap anymore, and unfortunately, the strict discipline, also part of a long-held reputation, is gone. It's very disappointing to see a lack of blood-stained wooden yardsticks at these schools - that was only semi-sarcastic.) Bring back The Penguin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    Man, that's awesome - RIP John Belushi.
  21. Off-topic,

    Unpleasant stuff:

  22. I’m pretty sure that when I was at Concordia and I was riding the L to the Museum of Science and Industry I overheard Obama telling Ayers, “Damn! You can drop an Atomic Bomb on these folks and like cockroaches they still manage to scurry for cover in the Ivy League”

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Obama and Ayers riding the L? I'm skeptical.
  23. This will soon be banned :

    The only question is will Steve ban it before the Swedes and Angela do?

  24. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a link to a lengthy comment I just left on the previous thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/whites-a-minority-in-2017-harvard-freshman-class/#comment-1955496

    And for those interested, here's a link to my exhaustive Meritocracy article from few years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    And a handy demographic enrollment tool for all 3000-odd colleges in America:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=186131&Institution=Princeton+University

    Ron,

    your article had two independent arguments: that too few Asians are admitted (based on National Merit semifinalist rates), and that too many Jews are admitted (comparing those NMSF rates to Hillel enrollment estimates). Did you ever respond to Nurit Baytch’s data appearing to refute the second point?

    She commented under your Meritocracy article, comment number 161, with a link to her long counter-article on this particular Jewish Question:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#comment-51932

    • Replies: @Lot
    His response as I recall was primarily to entirely ad hominem.

    I recieved the same treatment with my critque of his hispanic crime article.

  25. All of Espenshade et al’s work on this is complete rubbish, the most charitable thing that could be said is perhaps they don’t even understand Simpson’s paradox. Worth saying that once, I guess. (There are huge numbers of methodogical concerns that affect these summary statistics always being reported that not ever addressed by those teams or others, including differential application rates, test superscoring, intercollegiate collusion and more, but to be clear the whole models Espenshade uses in the first place are worthless. Someone putting everything from the same original data through a neural net or using a host of other more modern techniques would get such vastly different results it’s not even funny)

    There is no net discrimination against Asians relative to whites nor had there been for decades, strongly the other way in fact, and the implementation of affirmative action programs for blacks, Latinx, etc does not harm the odds of admission for Asian Americans.

    What all the elite colleges are actually terrified of is revealing the massive discrimination against various groups of white students that the public would not condone. It’s true they hide their data and practices, but not because of discrimination against Asians, even though the former reality arouses that suspicion.

    At a given elite school, if we had the raw data for some previous years, we’d see that, say, Asian females have 5-10 times the rate of admission that white males with the same high test scores do. We could estimate, for instance, that for students with >2300 SATs, the admit rates are something like:

    10% for white males applicants
    50% for white female applicants
    50% for asian male applicants
    80% for asian female applicants

    What the colleges and their admin teams are deathly afraid of is revealing, along with the above, something like the admit rate for white male Legacies or Athletes with <2000 SAT scores is still 50%. This also has seemingly paradoxical (to everyone who doesn't understand this) results on actual statistics colleges report, box plots and yield rates (possibly one of the stupidest measures anyone ever concerned themselves with, so sabermetricians can sleep easy) and so forth. Huge numbers of white (especially male) "nerds" with higher SAT scores are not admitted while athletes, political cases, and more with lower scores all, lowering things like the average SAT score for white students at an institution.

    Of course from all this we know (and everybody who is not insane or immensely ignorant already knew this) that the overwhelming, overriding influence on college admissions at most elite schools for non-NAMs is the requirement that the student bodies be roughly split evenly between males and females. Any elite school, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale etc could be at least 75% male, 25% female if not for the purposeful attempt to make them 50/50 regardless of the merit of applicants on objective metrics. Colleges and the politically correct routinely and loudly lie about this, to be sure, but that doesn't matter. Every data source on every distinct standardized test, the SAT, the ACT, AP tests reflect this, even Larry Summers understood it.

    So obviously all the lawsuits filed by Asian plaintiffs are going to be by racist Asian males and their lawyers too cretinous to understand that the forcing of male and female student populations to be similar is what has a slightly adverse effect on Asian male college admission. It happens to white males too, probably more severely. Sadly the same people probably wouldn't even desire the schools end "affirmative action" for female students, and indeed actual enrollees and the public at large probably appreciate gender balance for sociological reasons.

    Since admit rates are not literally 100% and both Asian and white females respectively take "spots" that could go to males based on some objective test scores model, there will always be a few individuals left out. Ignoring blacks, Latinx, non-American citizens and all that, instead of some school being something like 40% white male, 20% white female, 15% Asian male, and 5% Asian female we get 30% wm, 30% wf, 10% am, 10% af and some small number of racist Asian males filing frivolous lawsuits blaming affirmative action for blacks for their anecdotal experiences.

  26. @Dave Pinsen

    Second, it’s not clear that even Asians want Harvard to turn into UC Irvine, which is only about 15% white these days.
     
    I bet they don't want America to be 15% white either. I didn't think of Asians when leaving this comment over at LOTB's blog yesterday, but I think this idea of rebalancing America's demographics might appeal to them too:

    The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction. Imagine if Trump runs for reelection in 2020 on a platform of, over time, using immigration to move America half way back to its pre-1965 demographic balance, say, a white percentage of 75%, and pointed out that the Democrats’ goal is for whites to become a minority in America. He could also point out that the Democrats’ goal of integrating schools and neighborhoods with white people will be easier to accomplish when there are more white people to go around. To sweeten the pot, he could throw in reparations for descendants of slaves, as part of the deal (in return for abolishing Affirmative Action).

    Let Democrats run against that. Trump would probably get 65% of the white vote, 35% of the Hispanic vote, and 20% of the black vote (Dems would counter with their own reparations proposal, and retain most black votes).
     

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either.

    I don’t claim to speak for Asians in the United States, but as an assimilationist American of Asian-origin with half-white children, *I* don’t want the U.S. to turn into Asia (even the fancy sort).

    In point of fact, I start getting uncomfortable when the Asian population in an area starts approaching 15% or so. For me, the ideal number is about 10% (e.g. whites 85%, Asians 10%, 5% the rest). At that level, you get some interesting restaurants, shops, and whatnot, without disturbing the essentially Anglo-American character of the community.

    Derbyshire once said that diversity was like salt in a soup – a little bit makes things more interesting, but too much ruins the soup. Well, I like being that little bit of salt that makes the soup tastier. I don’t want too much salt ruining the soup at all. I love the soup.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    You would think differently if your children were all Asian. Chinese? Since your children are half white you have an investment in white America's future.
    , @JSM
    I'm on a low-sodium diet. I don't want any more salt *at all.* Immigration Moratorium NOW. In fact, I want a whole lot less salt. I want to go back to America as 90% White with minorities mostly Black (because we're stuck with 'em because slavery). White people don't need immigrants to give us good food. Recipes can be emailed from other countries and White chefs are perfectly capable of learning the techniques.
    , @anonymous
    Bingo!!!!
  27. Steve Sailer wrote:

    First, those Asians who get in quickly get over their heartache over their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers, and make lots of awesome new winner friends at Harvard.

    My own theory, based partly on comparing our twins’ recent results on college admissions, is that elite admissions are intentionally arbitrary, beyond a (reasonably high) baseline.

    It’s sort of like the “Stockholm syndrome”: the colleges put the applicants through emotional hell for four months or more, and then the students who do manage to get accepted feel especially grateful at being among the chosen few.

    If the admissions process were transparent and those who were accepted knew that they had truly earned admission, why should they feel gratitude? Their admission would then not be a gift the university had given them but simply what they rightly deserved.

    To use another analogy, it’s similar to the doctrine of predestination in traditional Calvinism. If you earned admission to heaven on your own merits, why then feel gratitude towards God? It would be your achievement, not His gift.

    But, if God arbitrarily chose you to be saved from among all of the other equally sinful creatures in this vale of tears, then He has given you an unearned gift for which you should feel eternal gratitude.

    The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges’ interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary.

    Of course, if employers ever realize that, by hard work, you can learn a great deal more in four years from online MOOCs, your local university library, and even good regional public libraries than the vast majority of students learn in four years at Stanford or Harvard, then, perhaps, the game is up.

    But we’re not there yet.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Good to see this insightful point from a fellow Sacramentan-- elite colleges totally milk teen angst to imprint romantic feelings of Destiny on their hoped-for future donors, when in fact the process is not so forensic, actually about as random as Powerball, when you're discussing the high end where board scores are 98th percentile* and overall admission rates below 15%. This is all kayfabe, abetted by the corrupt college counseling industry, to make kids think that summer gig volunteering 3 hours a week at the animal shelter for cats with AIDS -- or whatever is the Current Year idea of a meaningful c.v. line item -- made such a difference in the world that the Starvard or Princemouth or Cornale admissions racket saw fit to summon them. After which they are sorted into Griffyndor
    , @Sammler
    We're not going to get there until employers can test what you've learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.

    As long as disparate-impact doctrine remains in force, the universities' position is unassailable. Employers have no choice but to outsource applicant evaluation.

    This is an order of magnitude more important than the affirmative action debate.
    , @Bleuteaux
    "The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges’ interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary."

    One of the best comments I've read on iSteve. Well done.
  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Florestan
    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture - they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a "cool Asian," much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a "good white."

    Another “paradox” is that by ethnically disaggregating Asian achievement to counter the “model minority myth” they consider themselves to be strengthening a broad Asian-American coalition (by using the underachievement of some to gain victimhood for all).

    Affirmative action support looks like a strategic maneuver, not a lack of cohesion. They’ve overextended themselves on the Achievement front, and that’s left them vulnerable to the counterattack of Race-Blind Meritocracy, the ultimate foe of identity politics. They can withdraw and send reinforcements to the general victimhood paradigm under which their particular lack of cultural and political heft even if innate is a valid grievance against institutions (much like other non-whites’ scholastic shortcomings).

    They might be the dork of the PoC coalition but they’d be even uncooler on fading Team White, dissolved into Can’t We All Just Be Americans? They’ve noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease these days.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I was rather disturbed when I decided to wander into the Chinese-American Community Center right before the election to show my wife the badminton courts they had, and ran into a pretty large number of black "community organizers" who were there, clearly to promote efforts for the Hildabeast.

    If I was going to speculate, there is probably the result of Asian women entering politics and ad hoc'ing their way into the Coalition of the Fringes. There certainly didn't seem to be any or many men there.

  29. Although I favor meritocracy and fairness, I value noblesse oblige of the elite class even more. In that light, I don’t think it’s healthy for 5% of the population that is a visible minority (Asians) to be 35% of the student bodies of elite universities.

    So, I am not exactly in favor of the end goal of this lawsuit, if it is merely to increase the percentage of Asians at such institutions. HOWEVER, if this suit were somehow to be successful and the legal rationale for racial preferences (i.e. affirmative action) were to collapse, I would, of course, imagine there may be suits by white plaintiffs eventually. The question at that point for me would be, will there be enough courageous non-Jewish white plaintiffs who will publicly challenge the issue of the gross underrepresentation of non-Jewish whites, especially those from the so-called flyover country?

    • Replies: @Lot
    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.
  30. their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers

    Some ‘sploitation director like Eli Roth should make a movie about an Asian dude obsessed with getting into Harvard but has to settle for nearby Tufts and one day goes all Seung-Hui Cho in and around Harvard Yard.

    Possible titles:

    The Prestige

    Massacre Avenue

    It Came From The Kong

    Park The SCAR In Harvard Yard

    Crouching Crammer, Hidden Quota

    Derek Bok Choi: Vengeance Of The Namesake

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    an Asian dude obsessed with getting into Harvard but has to settle for nearby Tufts and one day goes all Seung-Hui Cho in and around Harvard Yard.
     
    No way. That Tufts guy (regardless of ethnicity) wouldn't have the balls to go postal nor would he find many places to go shooting a lot. He'll just bore you to death with talks about how Tufts is really a better undergraduate college than Harvard.

    Vtech, on the other hand...
    , @Bugg
    Eli Roth's latest appears to have some PC criminals, but at least looks entertaining

    http://deathwish.movie/?gclid=CLG4sYe5vdUCFZOWswodMk4Afg&gclsrc=ds
  31. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially?

    One problem is that if you are the son or daughter of a powerful politician, it greatly enhances your chances of getting into an elite college.

    • Agree: Barnard
  32. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers
     
    Some ‘sploitation director like Eli Roth should make a movie about an Asian dude obsessed with getting into Harvard but has to settle for nearby Tufts and one day goes all Seung-Hui Cho in and around Harvard Yard.

    Possible titles:

    The Prestige

    Massacre Avenue

    It Came From The Kong

    Park The SCAR In Harvard Yard

    Crouching Crammer, Hidden Quota

    Derek Bok Choi: Vengeance Of The Namesake
     

    an Asian dude obsessed with getting into Harvard but has to settle for nearby Tufts and one day goes all Seung-Hui Cho in and around Harvard Yard.

    No way. That Tufts guy (regardless of ethnicity) wouldn’t have the balls to go postal nor would he find many places to go shooting a lot. He’ll just bore you to death with talks about how Tufts is really a better undergraduate college than Harvard.

    Vtech, on the other hand…

  33. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    I vaguely remember a story about a White guy who got into Harvard by stating he was African-American. It worked, but he was later questioned by the adminstration, once they got a look at him. He said that he thought we were all of African descent, citing the “out of Africa” theory of human origins. Not sure how that all worked out.

  34. @academic gossip
    Ron,

    your article had two independent arguments: that too few Asians are admitted (based on National Merit semifinalist rates), and that too many Jews are admitted (comparing those NMSF rates to Hillel enrollment estimates). Did you ever respond to Nurit Baytch's data appearing to refute the second point?

    She commented under your Meritocracy article, comment number 161, with a link to her long counter-article on this particular Jewish Question:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#comment-51932

    His response as I recall was primarily to entirely ad hominem.

    I recieved the same treatment with my critque of his hispanic crime article.

    • Replies: @David
    I remember your back and forth with Ron on Hispanic crime. I felt you were making the better argument, especially in pointing out that Ron seemed to be reasoning in a pre-ordained direction. Then you began defending your erudition and that made you look a little foolish.

    As for ad hominem attacks, you called Philip Giraldi "America-hating" which I think a lot of people here would find hard to understand, especially in the context of his trying to bring attention to a few dozen nearly forgotten American servicemen killed by Israel.

    When asked to explain why you wrote off his claims about the attack on the USS Liberty, you sighed as if you had been through it a milling times and said, "It just couldn't be and anyone who thinks it could has anti-Semitic priors." That's an ad hominem against Giraldi, most of unz.com's readers and anyone who might dare to argue with you on the point.

  35. @Twinkie
    Although I favor meritocracy and fairness, I value noblesse oblige of the elite class even more. In that light, I don't think it's healthy for 5% of the population that is a visible minority (Asians) to be 35% of the student bodies of elite universities.

    So, I am not exactly in favor of the end goal of this lawsuit, if it is merely to increase the percentage of Asians at such institutions. HOWEVER, if this suit were somehow to be successful and the legal rationale for racial preferences (i.e. affirmative action) were to collapse, I would, of course, imagine there may be suits by white plaintiffs eventually. The question at that point for me would be, will there be enough courageous non-Jewish white plaintiffs who will publicly challenge the issue of the gross underrepresentation of non-Jewish whites, especially those from the so-called flyover country?

    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Jared Kushner
    , @bomag

    zero evidence... are held to higher numerical admission standards...
     
    He was probably comparing to the NAM cohort.

    Even so, there seems to be something not captured by the numbers. Countries; states; towns; businesses; departments; and bowling leagues populated and run by non-Jewish whites seem to have a desirability that is hard to quantify in the face of the metrics passed around in these debates.
    , @Twinkie

    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.
     
    1. You can argue over that with Ron Unz. Even if Mr. Unz were wrong by a factor of 4, his basic thesis would stand. But I'll let him argue his points. He is not infallible (I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue).

    2. You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn't (implying that's the reason why Jews were favored in the admissions process). What dawned on me at the time, after I got over the initial shock of hearing it, was the sheer boldness of him saying that in public. He didn't expect to get into trouble at all, and he was right.
  36. @anonymouslee
    I found out from my sister (a recent graduate of a US medical school) that they have remedial classes for the AA admits. Remedial classes. In medical school. Not just for community college anymore!

    Not as dire as remedial courses at medical school but at my business school they had remedial courses. The classes were conducted during the summer before school officially started, so most of my classmates were unaware it even existed.

    One of the students, a friend, got a full ride in terms of tuition . His GMAT score was 550, average GMAT score at the time was about 670-680.

  37. OT

    Sen. John McCain aims to revive immigration reform when he returns to Congress

    There is an accompanying video — at the outset, McCain is asked a question about Trump’s proposal to limit/reduce legal immigration — in the first sentence of his answer McCain mentions lettuce.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Lettuce dispel once and for all with the fiction that John McCain doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

    John McCain is a treasonous rat who pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. McCain will rot and burn in hell for his unpatriotic actions that have harmed the United States.

    I will admit, regardless of manners, that I frigging hate John McCain and Marco Rubio.
    , @eah
    https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/894379830292230145
  38. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    Have him change his name to “Running Bear”. Lizzie Warren will help you through the process.

  39. @Twinkie

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either.
     
    I don't claim to speak for Asians in the United States, but as an assimilationist American of Asian-origin with half-white children, *I* don't want the U.S. to turn into Asia (even the fancy sort).

    In point of fact, I start getting uncomfortable when the Asian population in an area starts approaching 15% or so. For me, the ideal number is about 10% (e.g. whites 85%, Asians 10%, 5% the rest). At that level, you get some interesting restaurants, shops, and whatnot, without disturbing the essentially Anglo-American character of the community.

    Derbyshire once said that diversity was like salt in a soup - a little bit makes things more interesting, but too much ruins the soup. Well, I like being that little bit of salt that makes the soup tastier. I don't want too much salt ruining the soup at all. I love the soup.

    You would think differently if your children were all Asian. Chinese? Since your children are half white you have an investment in white America’s future.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    You would think differently if your children were all Asian. Chinese? Since your children are half white you have an investment in white America’s future.
     
    1. You got that backward. I have half-white children, BECAUSE I "have an investment in white America's future," not the other way around. In other words, I married white, because I was (and am) an assimilationist. I didn't become an assimilationist, because I married white.

    2. I am not Chinese.
  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The courts have been getting this issue wrong for longer than I’ve been alive, not having much faith they’ll get it right this time.

    It’s blatantly a violation of the equal protections we’re guaranteed, and they have yet to provide evidence how all this wonderful racial diversity is so enriching. In fact all the evidence seems to suggest diversity is anything but.

    That being said, it would be a disgraceful turn for the courts to decide that indeed Asians are being discriminated against after all these years of turning a deaf ear to discrimination against whites. Especially since whites built this country, have been paying the taxes for the educational insititutions, etc.

  41. @Lot
    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.

    Jared Kushner

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    Donations are (part of) one path to admission but there is no indication that this path is differently priced for Jews, Gentiles, and Asians.

    By the way, if this Harvard site is a representative sample, the white and Jewish enrollment is very much part-Asian. Looks like something from Australia. "Traditional" gentile European stock may be a rare thing there these days.

    http://www.harvard2016.com/about/
    http://www.harvard2016.com/humansofharvard/

  42. Asian Legal Immigrants=Biological Warfare against The Historic Native Born White American Majority….

    Bring back the 1882 Chinese Legal Immigrant Exclusion Act!!!

    Story I read a about a few years ago:White Male Engineer goes for an interview a few years back at a Silicon Valley Tech Company where Mandarin was spoken by everyone….perfunctory-mandatory interview…Thanyou..you can go home now….White Male drives back home pulls his car into garage gets out feeling so sick after the interview…throws up….first hand account published in John Tanton’s Social Contract……

  43. Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers had the right idea.

    Go google Samuel Gompers’ testimony before Congress…

    Denis Kearney and Samuel Gompers….Irish-Jewish cooperation……

  44. @Florestan
    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture - they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a "cool Asian," much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a "good white."

    Asians lack cohesion because many are relatively recent immigrants that come from vastly different cultures. Indians will not find much in common with Filipinos or Japanese. So, it’s hard for them to build a unified front.

    As an aside, treating them as a monolith is stupid in admissions because some groups are vastly more capable than others.

  45. I see the Asian category. And the White, Black, and Hispanic. But no Jews? Harvard doesn’t admit any Jews? That, to me, is quite disturbing.

  46. The Thomas/Scalia dissent to O’Connor’s “25 years”

    “I therefore can understand the imposition of a 25-year time limit only as a holding that the deference the Court pays to the Law School’s educational judgments and refusal to change its admissions policies will itself expire. At that point these policies will clearly have failed to “‘eliminate the [perceived] need for any racial or ethnic’” discrimination because the academic credentials gap will still be there. [citation omitted] The Court defines this time limit in terms of narrow tailoring, [internal citation omitted] but I believe this arises from its refusal to define rigorously the broad state interest vindicated today. [internal citation omitted]. With these observations, I join the last sentence of Part III of the opinion of the Court.

    For the immediate future, however, the majority has placed its imprimatur on a practice that can only weaken the principle of equality embodied in the Declaration of Independence and the Equal Protection Clause. “Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens.” Plessy v. Ferguson, 163 U.S. 527, 559, […] (1896) (Harlan, J., dissenting). It has been nearly 140 years since Frederick Douglass asked the intellectual ancestors of the Law School to “[d]o nothing with us!” and the Nation adopted the Fourteenth Amendment. Now we must wait another 25 years to see this principle of equality vindicated. I therefore respectfully dissent from the remainder of the Court’s opinion and the judgment.”

  47. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers
     
    Some ‘sploitation director like Eli Roth should make a movie about an Asian dude obsessed with getting into Harvard but has to settle for nearby Tufts and one day goes all Seung-Hui Cho in and around Harvard Yard.

    Possible titles:

    The Prestige

    Massacre Avenue

    It Came From The Kong

    Park The SCAR In Harvard Yard

    Crouching Crammer, Hidden Quota

    Derek Bok Choi: Vengeance Of The Namesake
     

    Eli Roth’s latest appears to have some PC criminals, but at least looks entertaining

    http://deathwish.movie/?gclid=CLG4sYe5vdUCFZOWswodMk4Afg&gclsrc=ds

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Steve Sailer wrote:

    First, those Asians who get in quickly get over their heartache over their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers, and make lots of awesome new winner friends at Harvard.
     
    My own theory, based partly on comparing our twins' recent results on college admissions, is that elite admissions are intentionally arbitrary, beyond a (reasonably high) baseline.

    It's sort of like the "Stockholm syndrome": the colleges put the applicants through emotional hell for four months or more, and then the students who do manage to get accepted feel especially grateful at being among the chosen few.

    If the admissions process were transparent and those who were accepted knew that they had truly earned admission, why should they feel gratitude? Their admission would then not be a gift the university had given them but simply what they rightly deserved.

    To use another analogy, it's similar to the doctrine of predestination in traditional Calvinism. If you earned admission to heaven on your own merits, why then feel gratitude towards God? It would be your achievement, not His gift.

    But, if God arbitrarily chose you to be saved from among all of the other equally sinful creatures in this vale of tears, then He has given you an unearned gift for which you should feel eternal gratitude.

    The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges' interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary.

    Of course, if employers ever realize that, by hard work, you can learn a great deal more in four years from online MOOCs, your local university library, and even good regional public libraries than the vast majority of students learn in four years at Stanford or Harvard, then, perhaps, the game is up.

    But we're not there yet.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    Good to see this insightful point from a fellow Sacramentan– elite colleges totally milk teen angst to imprint romantic feelings of Destiny on their hoped-for future donors, when in fact the process is not so forensic, actually about as random as Powerball, when you’re discussing the high end where board scores are 98th percentile* and overall admission rates below 15%. This is all kayfabe, abetted by the corrupt college counseling industry, to make kids think that summer gig volunteering 3 hours a week at the animal shelter for cats with AIDS — or whatever is the Current Year idea of a meaningful c.v. line item — made such a difference in the world that the Starvard or Princemouth or Cornale admissions racket saw fit to summon them. After which they are sorted into Griffyndor

  49. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    The voters did this in California. The UC system managed to re-implement racial preferences under the guise of ‘holistic admissions’.

    • Replies: @academic gossip

    The voters did this in California. The UC system managed to re-implement racial preferences under the guise of ‘holistic admissions’.
     
    For affirmative action minorities that's true (if you mean things like adding essay questions to the application).

    For Asians, there was never a "negative preference" against them at the UC, and holistic admission can't really help or hurt them much compared to whites.

  50. Did O’Connor actually put any sort of time limit on racial quotas? I got the impression that it was more of a random aspirational comment that governs nothing.

  51. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    He should state he is hispanic, and he gets extra admission points. My College girlfriend was from Peru and half Chinese. She benefitted from affirmative action due to her Spanish name.

    It would certainly work. Many amerindians have oriental features, so even if they interview him he would be accepted as hispanic.

  52. @syonredux

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white?
     
    Mentioned this elsewhere, but I've known some Hapas (European fathers, East Asian mothers) with European surnames who checked the "White" box on their applications and avoided mentioning their biracial status on their essays. They got into their top picks.

    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.
     
    Lots of unis don't ask for photos.
    , @Travis
    most South-east asians can pass for hispanic
  53. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    Opting for “African” is unlikely to be helpful. A friend (RIP) got himself a guaranteed interview in the mid-1990s for a plum local government job using the same strategy. When he showed up shiny and and pink the panel eventually raised the question of his background and was unimpressed by his statement that his family originated in the East African Rift Valley.
    More practical for your son might be to identify himself as Apache; in John Sandford’s Virgil Flowers novel “Heat Lightning” the Red Lake Sioux/Chippewa Reservation cops of North Minnesota mistakenly thought that a murder suspect who is actually Vietnamese was Apache because of the similarity in build and facial features to Apache BIA agents they had met.

  54. @Lot
    His response as I recall was primarily to entirely ad hominem.

    I recieved the same treatment with my critque of his hispanic crime article.

    I remember your back and forth with Ron on Hispanic crime. I felt you were making the better argument, especially in pointing out that Ron seemed to be reasoning in a pre-ordained direction. Then you began defending your erudition and that made you look a little foolish.

    As for ad hominem attacks, you called Philip Giraldi “America-hating” which I think a lot of people here would find hard to understand, especially in the context of his trying to bring attention to a few dozen nearly forgotten American servicemen killed by Israel.

    When asked to explain why you wrote off his claims about the attack on the USS Liberty, you sighed as if you had been through it a milling times and said, “It just couldn’t be and anyone who thinks it could has anti-Semitic priors.” That’s an ad hominem against Giraldi, most of unz.com’s readers and anyone who might dare to argue with you on the point.

    • Replies: @Lot
    You have a good memory.

    I did not mean to complain about the insults, but rather the lack of content to accompany the insults. Just lots of "You're a dumb racialist" and "I an too busy to deal with you dummy, here's a link" to something that was not responsive.

    I don't blame him too much, arguing hispanic crime rates are similar to non hispanic white rates is in the end an impossible task against someone armed with Google and The Color of Crime.
  55. Asian parents against Jewish parents in a brawl over admissions policy at Harvard? Whitey gonna need a bigger bowl of popcorn for that bastard!

    White Core Americans have to start thinking in terms of raw political power instead of only expressing opinions on “the economy.” The economy is a rigged fraud only designed to enrich plutocrats and keep certain White cohorts concentrated on their own ill-gotten gains instead of the nation as a whole.

    The Asian against Jew brawl at Harvard points to the fact that Whitey must fight to protect and advance their own interests as Whites. The weakling coward puppets who infest the GOP such as Jeff Flake, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are vile scum who are willingly sacrificing the political power of White Core Americans. Flake, Ryan and McConnell must be removed from power in the GOP.

    The Asians and Jews are playing hardball politics in their continuous quest to maximize their political power, and White Core Americans must do the same. AS WHITES, dammit, not as “conservatives” or “Republicans” or any other damn word.

    WHITE CORE AMERICANS should look on with joy to see the open brawl for political power in terms of admissions policy to the Ivy League. White Core Americans must once again have the guts and confidence to fight and prevail against the forces of evil who would destroy them.

    HARVARD HATES AMERICA

  56. Since Ha’vad entrants are supposed to be all from the far right of the bell curve, why is the SAT being used as the measure of all things, of anything? I thought Ha’vad decided first how many applicants they could evaluate and then used various fast cheap criteria to bring the number of applications down to that number. Then they actually opened up the application packages and looked inside. Cheap criteria are like ethnic background, SAT, did daddy go to Ha’vad, Olympic contender, Already a medical doctor at 19, ect.

    Asian also sort of means nothing. Why are Japanese, Dravidians, and Fujianese all considered one group. Maybe the real discrimination is against Hunanese? I know it’s tough to find a real Hunanese restaurant in NYC these days, even though they used to be common. Or am I thinking Cantonese? Whatever.

  57. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    It seems like the issue of AA for firemen, heavily covered by Steve a few years ago, would also fit in here.

    Richard Sander tried to do something similar with law schools (“mismatch”), and the establishment response was:
    1. Fight tooth and nail to keep him from getting the data (cf. studying race and crime)
    2. Focus exclusively on refuting Sander’s claim that AA is “bad for blacks,” studiously ignoring the question of whether AA is fair to whites or society at large

  58. @Lot
    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.

    zero evidence… are held to higher numerical admission standards…

    He was probably comparing to the NAM cohort.

    Even so, there seems to be something not captured by the numbers. Countries; states; towns; businesses; departments; and bowling leagues populated and run by non-Jewish whites seem to have a desirability that is hard to quantify in the face of the metrics passed around in these debates.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.
    , @Difference Maker
    My Harvard interviewer wistfully suggested I beach bum on a California beach.. playing volleyball. She assured that my chance would be high then

    Indeed, Boomer indulgence, of better times. But a fine plan, another life, as opposed to this mess we are in
  59. @Florestan
    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture - they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a "cool Asian," much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a "good white."

    Back ten years ago at least, it was considered OK by the ruling class to mock uncool Asians, e.g. the unfortunate Jian Li who sued over failing to gain admission, despite numbers that would have been a shoo-in for “Juan Lee” (as my auto-correct suggests)

    http://gawker.com/230391/daily-princetonian-joke-op-ed-steams-jian-lis-dumplings

  60. That is funny, Non-Jewish white people, should do the same thing.

    Anyway, I am posting because there is an article on TOO about the Detroit riots, it draws on similar sources to your own good article on Takimag, I found many of the comments interesting, on many topics of US labour, and an account from a resident at the time, it does not ring false (but of course may be), in any case, I would recommend reading.

    Always regards.

    • Replies: @Thea
    they tried in Texas and lost due to who/whom
  61. Seems to be an exact parallel of the Jewish quotas that American colleges used in the first half of the 20th century.

  62. Anecdotes: If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,” i.e. the top students in the class, published every year, it is exactly what you would expect from a HBD perspective.

    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now. But I expect that sooner or later, the meritocratic exercise will come under the Eye of Soros and be turned into another meaningless Diversity festival. Then they’ll come for the Putnam math competition.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/4/28/2017-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/5/2/2016-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/4/10/junior-24-PBK-harvard/

    I knew a couple of Harvard undergrads who were superstar valedictorians from Compton/East L.A. type inner city schools. They were in remedial classes and barely scraped by.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,”...
    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now.
     
    Already happened. Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton's junior class (kind of a "pre-valedictorian"). As you may recall, Sotomayor has said (bragged) that she arrived at Princeton so underprepared she set out to improve her English by reading children's books. So we're to believe that in two years she vaulted intellectually right over all of her classmates?

    She actually co-won the Pyne Prize. Her co-winner was the economist David Germany.
    , @StillCARealist
    Love the last names of some of those kids from 2017. Gompers, Levy, Zigmond. They sound like legacy names from famous authors and characters of the 19th c.
  63. @Anon
    Harvard generated wealth and influence over the last 30 years by developing themselves as feeders for investment banking and to a lesser extent management consulting. They oriented their admissions toward finding the ideal recruiting class for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley, who want smart, disciplined, ambitious, but not necessarily too academic. But IB is shrinking and changing as an employer, being replaced by passive funds and quant trading. It seems that tech and media will be the dominant industries of the future, so it wouldn't be surprising if Harvard reorients itself toward nerdier and maybe more creative. So, dont be surprised if Harvard looks a lot more like Berkeley in the future (probably not Irvine).

    Any reference to Harvard’s 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot that doesn’t mention the role of central banking in creating Harvard’s ill-gotten gains is misleading to say the least. Raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent and Harvard’s 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot would vanish without a trace.

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard’s pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.

    HARVARD HATES AMERICA

    THE IVY LEAGUE MUST BE DESTROYED

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard’s pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.
     
    These bubbles, by definition, will pop on their own, Charles. It'd be nice to have a hand in it ourselves - killing the FED, for example, but it will all go down on its own soon enough.

    /zerohedge mindset
    , @Anonymous
    I have sympathy for this view. I am a Yale graduate, and I am filled with disdain and contempt for the place. I hated it, and rightfully so. But one problem is that places like Harvard and Yale have libraries (and more) that contain many of the cultural resources of our civilization. Perhaps they do not contain so much as the libraries of Europe (and yet Europe is even worse off...) It is tempting to say that today all of Western civilization is available on the internet, but this is not entirely correct. It may turn out that Western civilization must be reconstructed from its online remnants, but this is not what anyone should hope for.
  64. @Trelane
    Didn't Bill Clinton once say about affirmative action, that without it, Berkeley would one day be all Asian? He may have been right. The footage of Clinton making this statement was somehow lost.

    Similarly, 1995 footage of Peter Jennings on World News Tonight talking over a sack on "The Bell Curve" with Nazi storm troupers marching and swastikas flying in an over the shoulder graphic appears to be lost to history.

    I remember that. He said, “if students were accepted only on grades and test scores, we’d have entire universities in California that would be all Asian American.”

    This is one of those facts that all the races need to come to grips with. Some form of racial discrimination is inevitable.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @45 StillCARealist: Why must Whites "come to grips" with Asian immigrants taking over institutions built by White people for White posterity? I seem to recall Asians, of all types, have their own nations and educational institutions and, indeed, frequently brag of a history of academic qualifications and achievement.

    No form of "racial discrimination" is necessary or endurable of one has one's own country. That's what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.
  65. I have heard a number of professors say that Asians are much less likely than other groups to participate in class room discussions and come up with interesting and new perspectives. They find this a drawback when teaching courses in which the percentage of Asians is over 50%.

  66. Curious about Sandra Day O’Connor giving an expiration date. My experience is that proponents of affirmative action will always avoid an answer to a question of that nature, however simple and direct the question. I think in their hearts, most liberals, whatever their ethnic make-up, know group differences can’t be bridged.

    If you wrestled with Ginsburg and Sotomayor for a thousand years, I’m sure neither one would answer the question.

  67. I don’t get why Asians’ acceptance rate into Harvard is even something we’re talking about.

    Asians are among the wealthiest minorities, plenty of rich guys who could donate, so why can’t they start their own colleges? Blacks have HBCUs started by Blacks. Jews did it: Brandeis, Yeshiva, American Jewish University, etc. Where’s the American Asian University?

    If they’re so discriminated against, if they can’t get into elite colleges because evil Whites keep them out, why don’t they start their own? If they were to start their own colleges and they really are “all that,” it wouldn’t take long before everybody was clamoring to get into *their* university, and they could sit smugly denying entrance. But they don’t.
    Funny, that.
    Almost makes ya think all that grinding really doesn’t end up accomplishing much in the real world in terms of world-shaking.

    • Replies: @AM

    Almost makes ya think all that grinding really doesn’t end up accomplishing much in the real world in terms of world-shaking.
     
    It doesn't. It appears that the European Christian male ability to have some fun while they go school (and afterwards) gets a lot more done in the long run.
  68. The “Asian advantage” in test taking.

    In HBD circles we call this a higher iq.

    • Replies: @Sammler
    That's not proven. It's at least plausible to think a culture of more prepping and more cheating, rather than genetic differences, is the distinguishing factor.
  69. @Twinkie

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either.
     
    I don't claim to speak for Asians in the United States, but as an assimilationist American of Asian-origin with half-white children, *I* don't want the U.S. to turn into Asia (even the fancy sort).

    In point of fact, I start getting uncomfortable when the Asian population in an area starts approaching 15% or so. For me, the ideal number is about 10% (e.g. whites 85%, Asians 10%, 5% the rest). At that level, you get some interesting restaurants, shops, and whatnot, without disturbing the essentially Anglo-American character of the community.

    Derbyshire once said that diversity was like salt in a soup - a little bit makes things more interesting, but too much ruins the soup. Well, I like being that little bit of salt that makes the soup tastier. I don't want too much salt ruining the soup at all. I love the soup.

    I’m on a low-sodium diet. I don’t want any more salt *at all.* Immigration Moratorium NOW. In fact, I want a whole lot less salt. I want to go back to America as 90% White with minorities mostly Black (because we’re stuck with ’em because slavery). White people don’t need immigrants to give us good food. Recipes can be emailed from other countries and White chefs are perfectly capable of learning the techniques.

    • Replies: @Njguy73
    Move to Maine.
    , @Twinkie

    I’m on a low-sodium diet.
     
    Have you tried a NO-sodium diet?

    I have. I would not want that... even on you.
  70. AM says:

    I read this carefully, a couple of times actually, after yesterday’s thread.

    If I may sum up the arguments here my way, it’s that “Harvard is too big to fail”. And that is correct, Harvard is too big to fail right away. Momentum, smarts, and a lot of money is certainly on Harvard’s side and it be in the next 10-20 years.

    But the quote from the “typical” Harvard student is so far out of touch with reality she makes me look a tough, with it kind of gal at the same clueless age and similar (although less elite) environment.

    Who tours colleges in the 7th grade? What kind of dorky dream to be at Harvard in their teenage years? (Hogwarts picked me, they really did!) Who imagines that seeing a bunch of skin colors means she’s being intellectually challenged or broadened? I’ve met a fair amount of people from academic circles. The groupthink, regardless of ethnicity, is very intense in modern academics. The brain wash is so deep as to be disturbing.

    If Harvard is getting overloaded/sued by status seeking Chinese, and supported by them financially, well, it’s turning into an extension of Chinese society and outlook. If I maybe politically incorrect (ha!), without the actual WASP students and professors that are the vast majority of Harvard’s history, Harvard is on a death watch.

  71. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    Not realistically, the legislative arm of the government basically seems stuck in inertia while the Supreme Court runs around declaring the constitution demands gay marriages. Its that kind of a system.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @sabril
    Besides which, elite colleges can legally bribe politicians by giving their children favorable admissions treatment. Is there any other industry where the big players can openly give politicians favors worth so much?
  72. @Florestan
    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture - they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a "cool Asian," much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a "good white."

    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US.

    No, that’ll be whites.

    Insofar as being incohesive, its because Asians have little reason to be cohesive from the perspective of a spoils system. For the most part, the best winning strategy would be to argue for meritocracy since we tend to do well there. But even an attempt at something more cohesive would be futile, since we would define ourselves more closely as Chinese,Japanese, etc, than the broad term of Asian.

    I don’t support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    I don’t support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn’t.

    Matches my experience in So Cal, where I have known, worked with, and dated many East and South Asians. Maybe it's different in the Bay Area. But I have to believe that Asians like the girl quoted in the article are outliers.
  73. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    I live in Oakland and go to Kaiser Permanente Medical. If you look at the website you will see many beaming black faces. All the upper management is black. But there do not seem to be any black physicians. All the doctors are East Asians – Koreans, Chinese or Japanese.

    I’m quite happy with the level of care available from the Oriental staff. If there were a black doctor and I was sent to him, I would protest. Health is too important to indulge in political correctness.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Funny how my girlfriend's urban hospital employs dozens of black nurses and ONE black doctor that she's ever seen. And he's in the morgue.

    She also says that black patients tend to demand white doctors.

  74. @Daniel Chieh
    Not realistically, the legislative arm of the government basically seems stuck in inertia while the Supreme Court runs around declaring the constitution demands gay marriages. Its that kind of a system.

    Besides which, elite colleges can legally bribe politicians by giving their children favorable admissions treatment. Is there any other industry where the big players can openly give politicians favors worth so much?

  75. This gets back to the problem of essences.

    What constitutes Harvard?

    Is Harvard just a place where the brightest scholars gather?

    If Harvard were all Chinese, would it still be Harvard?

    Medievalists, following Plato, tried to draw a distinction between what was the essence of something and what was merely an accidental attribute. So, for example, a coat could be blue or red, long or short, cotton or nylon and still be recognized as a coat. The question then arose, if those qualities were mere accidents and therefore not essential to the coatness of a coat, then could one strip them away and get down to the essence of coatness? Obviously, if one were to strip away all the attributes, there would be nothing left and the question devolves into an absurdity.

    Today we are told by some that one can substitute Jewish, Chinese, Indian, Black, Hispanic et al. ethnicities and their attendant customs, religious and cosmological beliefs for the original Protestant and that in doing so one alters merely accidental qualities of the institution, sort of like dyeing a coat.

    And those who disagree argue that Harvard is a uniquely New England, Protestant institution and further, that Harvard could not have arisen anywhere else and have been what it is. They would say that Harvard is the product of a peculiar genius, definition : “late 14c., “tutelary or moral spirit” who guides and governs an individual through life, from Latin genius “guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation; wit, talent;” also “prophetic skill; the male spirit of a gens,” originally “generative power” (or “inborn nature”)”….Online Etymology Dictionary

    They would argue that an all Chinese Harvard may just as well be called Peking University, Cambridge Campus.

    Does anyone seriously believe that a Harvard without white Europeans will still be Harvard?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Even with the ideas taken from the Greeks, that was a helluva post, 3 Cranes. In answer to the last sentence, some do, but they are wrong.
  76. @Anonymous
    Another "paradox" is that by ethnically disaggregating Asian achievement to counter the "model minority myth" they consider themselves to be strengthening a broad Asian-American coalition (by using the underachievement of some to gain victimhood for all).

    Affirmative action support looks like a strategic maneuver, not a lack of cohesion. They've overextended themselves on the Achievement front, and that's left them vulnerable to the counterattack of Race-Blind Meritocracy, the ultimate foe of identity politics. They can withdraw and send reinforcements to the general victimhood paradigm under which their particular lack of cultural and political heft even if innate is a valid grievance against institutions (much like other non-whites' scholastic shortcomings).

    They might be the dork of the PoC coalition but they'd be even uncooler on fading Team White, dissolved into Can't We All Just Be Americans? They've noticed the squeaky wheel gets the grease these days.

    I was rather disturbed when I decided to wander into the Chinese-American Community Center right before the election to show my wife the badminton courts they had, and ran into a pretty large number of black “community organizers” who were there, clearly to promote efforts for the Hildabeast.

    If I was going to speculate, there is probably the result of Asian women entering politics and ad hoc’ing their way into the Coalition of the Fringes. There certainly didn’t seem to be any or many men there.

  77. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    You missed the part where the cuck wing of the Rs, fresh off agitating for a land war with Russia, acted as if the Nationalist sing was a bunch of hotheads for going after academia after they let riots occur yo shut down badthink.

  78. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    I agree….we need to ban affirmative action at medical schools and eliminate the preferences given to females. Male doctors are more productive, do not take 3 months maternity leave. Have longer careers and work longer hours.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Long professional school education for women funded by 200,000+ student loans is also very dysgenic.
  79. @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    He’ll be better off with “other” and claim to be “multiracial” if asked, I think. It feels very wrong though, but I suppose if the system itself is haywire. Meh.

  80. Originally posted this at LOTB, but it fits this discussion. And hey, copying from yourself isn’t plagiarism!

    I think I have a solution to this problem of discrimination in admissions. I call this Transparency in Education, and Trump could probably do this via executive order.

    Goes like this. In order for any university to be eligible to receive student loans or (much more important for top schools) government grant funding, that school MUST publish all applications for admissions: this includes both those accepted and rejected. In addition, the school must publish any notes, comments, scoring systems, etc. used by the admissions committee, along with a full explanation of why a given student was accepted or rejected. This information will be published online, starting DURING the application process as applications are received.

    This system would allow for full transparency in admissions, and any “discrimination” could be easily uncovered and rooted out. How else can we know that white privilege and racism aren’t distorting the application process?

    Who could be against such an idea? Doesn’t information WANT to be free? Can we really continue to have our applications living in the shadows, like Guatemalan illegal stoop laborers? NO, I say, NO!! I have BEEN to the mountaintop. I have SEEN what true freedom looks like. And I say to you, ladies and gentlemen and those who can’t quite decide, SET OUR APPLICATIONS FREE!!!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I think some Bill James type outsiders would emerge to statistically analyze college admissions stats if they were available.
  81. @eah
    But ala Richard Spencer I do not feel sorry for these Asian-Americans Asians -- I agree they are being treated unfairly, but I have no sympathy for them -- instead I feel sorry for white kids -- especially eg in CA, where the over-representation of Asians at UC is shocking.

    https://twitter.com/Brannon1776/status/862875649362546693

    California has 39.2 million people in it. New Hampshire has 1.3 million people. There are millions of White Core Americans in California without any political representation. That can’t go on much longer.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control. Choice land and property on the California coast will be their reward. We are heading for a constitutional crisis that will destroy the anti-White totalitarianism currently in power.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

     

    You are insane.
    , @Dee
    I think it will be Civil War 2.0, got to stay with the times after all...LOL

    Not just the Kali coast; keep the whole damn thing from Mexico to Canada! Best climate in the entire country, I'm not willingly letting the feral left squat there forever.

    It's a topic on some of the gun forums, essentially surround the urban areas (where the feral left is) and cut it off from the rest of the country. No electricity, natural gas, water, drop some freeway bridges, same for the rail roads, and no food or anything else gets in.

    Get another Air Canada pilot to land at all the big airports.

    Then just wait them out. Big question is where to send them. Lots of room in Texass, probably there. LOL

    , @dfordoom

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.
     
    The White Core Americans in California are the ones who created this situation. They're the ones who wanted feminism, the homosexual agenda, transgender bathroom rights and diversity. They ain't gonna fight for White political control. They ain't gonna fight for anything.

    The idea that Whites are going to band together to fight this insanity is ludicrous wishful thinking. You have to accept that most Whites are in the enemy camp.
  82. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    Q: What does the student of Proust actually DO with a liberal arts degree these days? Even from Hah-vahd.

    A: Law School.

    Thence onward: to either a white shoe law firm, or DC to participate in millenarian social engineering projects. Thence on to a career on MSNBC.

  83. @PhysicistDave
    Steve Sailer wrote:

    First, those Asians who get in quickly get over their heartache over their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers, and make lots of awesome new winner friends at Harvard.
     
    My own theory, based partly on comparing our twins' recent results on college admissions, is that elite admissions are intentionally arbitrary, beyond a (reasonably high) baseline.

    It's sort of like the "Stockholm syndrome": the colleges put the applicants through emotional hell for four months or more, and then the students who do manage to get accepted feel especially grateful at being among the chosen few.

    If the admissions process were transparent and those who were accepted knew that they had truly earned admission, why should they feel gratitude? Their admission would then not be a gift the university had given them but simply what they rightly deserved.

    To use another analogy, it's similar to the doctrine of predestination in traditional Calvinism. If you earned admission to heaven on your own merits, why then feel gratitude towards God? It would be your achievement, not His gift.

    But, if God arbitrarily chose you to be saved from among all of the other equally sinful creatures in this vale of tears, then He has given you an unearned gift for which you should feel eternal gratitude.

    The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges' interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary.

    Of course, if employers ever realize that, by hard work, you can learn a great deal more in four years from online MOOCs, your local university library, and even good regional public libraries than the vast majority of students learn in four years at Stanford or Harvard, then, perhaps, the game is up.

    But we're not there yet.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    We’re not going to get there until employers can test what you’ve learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.

    As long as disparate-impact doctrine remains in force, the universities’ position is unassailable. Employers have no choice but to outsource applicant evaluation.

    This is an order of magnitude more important than the affirmative action debate.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    Sammler wrote to me:

    We’re not going to get there until employers can test what you’ve learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.
     
    Indeed -- that's why I hedged with the word "perhaps."

    On the other hands, why don't businesses simply ask for applicants' SAT or ACT scores? Would that violate Griggs v. Duke Power?

    I've noticed that at elite schools it is not considered cool to talk about your SAT/ACT scores. Perhaps those who did get in believe that they transcend mere quantitative measures such as standardized test scores and are in fact qualitatively superior human beings? So, to ask job applicants for test scores would betray the culture to which they have given their loyalty?

    In any case, change happens. Eventually, all this will be different. But not yet, alas.

    Dave
  84. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “The diversity at Harvard has been key to my learning, and I think that if there weren’t so many people of different backgrounds, I wouldn’t be forced to think about things in new ways.”

    Then, why does everyone think the same at Harvard?

    It is diversity that paradoxically makes for uniformity of thought since…

    1. One must be careful not to offend others.

    2. One must be especially careful not to offend the Holy Three: Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Also, why does one need to go to Ivy League school to find diversity, which is dime-a-dozen in the US? Go to any Walmart, and you see all sorts of people: whites, blacks, browns, yellows, arabs, etc.
    Does it make one a smarter or better shopper to be around Hindus and Mexicans? Gee, I bought a better pair of underwear because an Arab happened to stand near me!

    Gee, just how is it that all-white Europe made such explosions in science and medicine while diverse Ottoman Empire and Arab empires lagged?

    To keep diversity together, there must be uniformity of thought. If you have diversity of peoples and diversity of ideas, things fall apart. For social stability, there must be either diversity of ideas among one people or one idea among diverse peoples. It’s why that Asian kid conformed to BLM shibboleths and wrote BLM a 100 times to get into Stanford. Piece of shi*.

    It’s not diversity that is key. It is competition.
    Europe surged ahead by competition among various kingdoms and states.

    Current diversity is more like Byzantium followed by Ottoman. Stifling under One Dogma of the Holy Three Worship.

    It also tears one away from one’s own people and culture. Once you enter the club, one’s status becomes most important.

    After all, there is high diversity unified by power and privilege, and there is low diversity that have in common absolutely nothing but the fact that it has to take it up the ass from high diversity of privilege.

    • Replies: @International Jew

    Go to any Walmart...Does it make one a smarter or better shopper to be around Hindus and Mexicans?
     
    Actually, yes. Because few of my nearest Walmart's employees speak English, I've become better at finding things without help!
  85. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ChrisJ
    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects "other" as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?

    Your son shouldn’t be required to disclose his race in the first place!! THAT—-is part of the problem! If his grades and college scores are acceptable and if you can afford the tuition then that’s all that should count. On the other hand, this is apparently too much to ask of a higher education bureaucracy that is fixated on squaring the circle.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Your son shouldn’t be required to disclose his race in the first place!! THAT—-is part of the problem!
     
    That is the real answer, but not even close to what most people think anymore since the Overton window has been slammed leftward (or toward statism, to be more precise).

    However, in the current real world, in answer to Chris J, just put him down as Native American. If it ever came down to the U. wanting their scholarship money back, once they noticed that, your boy, on his weekend drinking nights, instead of dancing with wolves, was more often praying to the porcelain goddess, just tell them "Native American" means born in the USA. There's no argument to that, and maybe they should pick another PC euphemism next time that doesn't have a mile-wide loophole build in.
  86. @Twinkie

    I bet they don’t want America to be 15% white either.
     
    I don't claim to speak for Asians in the United States, but as an assimilationist American of Asian-origin with half-white children, *I* don't want the U.S. to turn into Asia (even the fancy sort).

    In point of fact, I start getting uncomfortable when the Asian population in an area starts approaching 15% or so. For me, the ideal number is about 10% (e.g. whites 85%, Asians 10%, 5% the rest). At that level, you get some interesting restaurants, shops, and whatnot, without disturbing the essentially Anglo-American character of the community.

    Derbyshire once said that diversity was like salt in a soup - a little bit makes things more interesting, but too much ruins the soup. Well, I like being that little bit of salt that makes the soup tastier. I don't want too much salt ruining the soup at all. I love the soup.

    Bingo!!!!

  87. @Daniel Chieh

    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US.
     
    No, that'll be whites.

    Insofar as being incohesive, its because Asians have little reason to be cohesive from the perspective of a spoils system. For the most part, the best winning strategy would be to argue for meritocracy since we tend to do well there. But even an attempt at something more cohesive would be futile, since we would define ourselves more closely as Chinese,Japanese, etc, than the broad term of Asian.

    I don't support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn't.

    I don’t support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn’t.

    Matches my experience in So Cal, where I have known, worked with, and dated many East and South Asians. Maybe it’s different in the Bay Area. But I have to believe that Asians like the girl quoted in the article are outliers.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood
    Why don't more Asians vote Republican? Or am I misinformed about how they tend to vote?
  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A little perspective on all this “poor Asians” stuff. In terms of elite endeavors (medicine and law), Whites score as well or better than Asians.

    MCAT–Medical School

    Mean for All Applicants (2016):

    Whites 504
    Asians 503
    Hispanics 496
    Blacks 494

    And Whites’ GPAs are better in applying to Medical Score

    Mean for All Applicants (2016):

    Whites 3.61
    Asians 3.57
    Hispanics 3.41
    Blacks 3.29

    https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf

    LSAT–Law School (2012–latest data I could find)

    Whites 152.80
    Asians 152.68
    Hispanics 146.32
    Blacks 141.84

    https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/research-(lsac-resources)/tr-12-03.pdf?sfvrsn=4

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    LSAT–Law School (2012–latest data I could find)

    Whites 152.80
    Asians 152.68
    Hispanics 146.32
    Blacks 141.84
     
    Whites and Asians are about evenly matched when it comes to the LSAT (and law school performance), because it's so heavily language-oriented.
  89. @Clyde
    Do you know that legal Asian (China, subcons and so on) immigration was larger than legal Hispanic immigration? I read this two years ago and it applied to the previous decade. Due to white guilt and proximity, white Australia is being swamped by the one two knockout punch of legal Chinese and Subcons.
    But in Harvard's case, the reality of the situation is that for "Asians" you can read "Chinese". What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.

    *fresh off the boat.
    ** For Caribbeans and CentAms this is fresh off the banana boat according to Harry Belafonte

    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.

    Clyde, I have noticed that any university town will have a fairly large contingent of Chinese people – the students (mostly grad., but some undergrad), parents who come on visas to take care of grandchildren – a whole bunch. In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students. It’s out of hand, and solely about the bucks. (No, Catholic School is not cheap anymore, and unfortunately, the strict discipline, also part of a long-held reputation, is gone. It’s very disappointing to see a lack of blood-stained wooden yardsticks at these schools – that was only semi-sarcastic.) Bring back The Penguin:

    Man, that’s awesome – RIP John Belushi.

    • Replies: @AM

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students.
     
    Not shocked in the least. Given how likely it is for any native Catholic student to remain in the faith after graduation, it's time for the those institutions to collapse anyway.

    If a young person has better chance of good education, including in the faith, outside of such schools, they're alive beyond their expiration date anyway.
    , @Anon
    The whole medieval mentality that the Chinese culture had of producing a scholarly class who lived and died by their Imperial Examination system has spilled over into the US, and our educational system is now the Imperial Exam Prize they're trying to bag. The fact that they decide to move here permanently where they're a minority makes you realize how messed up China still is.

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn't as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they'd kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.

    What a lot of people in the US don't understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever. They fear and hate their ruling class, they don't trust them, and they don't think they'll be left in peace in the future if they stay in China.

    But this means there's going to be a severe brain-drain out of China. In 40 years, China may be nothing but one big peasant country that's turned into one supersize Detroit that doesn't work very well, and where everything breaks down because all the brainy people got sick of the place and escaped when they could.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..
     
    That's what it comes down to. For Confucian cultures, that piece of paper conveys a lot of respectability and they're willing to spend a lot of money and effort to get it. There's a thought that once they return to China, for example, having a degree from an American university can open a lot of doors.

    There are comparative Chinese institutions such as Tsinghua or Beijing, but due to the sheer number of applicants and because they're competing against other Chinese there, getting in is almost impossible. So the strategy often is, if they can't get in Tsinghua(which most can't), then the next option is to try to get in an American university of some repute, so they can still get those presumably precious respectability points.
  90. … and the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

    Good work everyone. Bravo.

  91. There are plenty of high IQ Whites who aren’t (((Whites))), but good luck on them getting into Harvard these days.

    • Replies: @Flip
    "We don't want nobody that nobody sent" as they say in Chicago.
  92. Who would want to attend a university that has become as corrupt as Harvard? Probably only those who think that contacting the sect is their ticket to their future. This apparently would NOT include white christians?

    Jews sans frontieres: Alan Dershowitz: plagiarist, liar and racist
    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com.es/2006/05/alan-dershowitz-plagiarist-liar-and.html

    Land Destroyer: Big Oil’s Tree Huggers
    Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2011/02/big-oils-tree-huggers.html
    …. Belfer Center is a mixed bag of self-serving corporate agendas. As an international think-tank located within one of America’s most “prestigious” universities, it turns out to be nothing more than a den of deception and intellectual dishonesty, as we’ll see as we peel back the cheap veneer of legitimacy. Named after Robert Belfer of the Belco Petroleum Corporation and later, director of the failed Enron Corporation, the Belfer Center describes itself as being “the hub of the Harvard Kennedy School’s research, teaching, and training in international security affairs, environmental and resource issues, and science and technology policy.” Robert Belfer still sits in as an International Council Member, begging one to wonder what sort of “research” is going on within the halls of a center named after a man synonymous with big oil and big fraud…..

    Russia – the biggest robbery of the twentieth century
    https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?t=20332

    Harvard Mafia, Andrei Shleifer and the Economic Rape of Russia
    http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml

    Harvard’s ‘Best and Brightest’ Aided Russia’s Economic Ruin
    http://fair.org/extra/harvards-best-and-brightest-aided-russias-economic-ruin/

    Why Larry Summers lost the presidency of Harvard | mathbabe
    https://mathbabe.org/2012/03/11/why-larry-summers-lost-the-presidency-of-harvard/
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    HARVARD STUDENTS DEMAND ANSWERS IN ONGOING CHILEAN INVESTMENT SCANDAL
    https://responsibleharvard.com/2013/05/08/media-advisory-harvard-students-demand-answers-in-ongoing-chilean-investment-scandal/

    How Ikea And Harvard Got Tangled In A Corrupt Romanian Land Deal
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harvard-ikea-corruption-romania_us_56d86cbbe4b0000de4039509

    Warren, Obama, and Harvard’s Culture of Corruption
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/05/warren_obama_and_harvards_culture_of_corruption.html

    Larry Tribe, Larry Summers, And Elena Kagan: Because Of The Larry Tribe Affair, It Is Time For Larry Summers To Go
    http://velvelonnationalaffairs.blogspot.com.es/2005/04/re-larry-tribe-larry-summers-and-elena_22.html

    Just how corrupt is the Harvard Economics Department, anyway?
    Until economists share data and replicate results, they should probably keep quiet about policy.
    http://www.newappsblog.com/2013/04/until-economists-share-data-and-replicate-results-they-should-probably-keep-quiet-about-policy.html

    Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/01/15/drug-companies-doctorsa-story-of-corruption/
    …. Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard’s Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose. In June, Senator Grassley revealed that drug companies, including those that make drugs he advocates for childhood bipolar disorder, had paid Biederman $1.6 million in consulting and speaking fees between 2000 and 2007….

    Joseph Biederman is Still at Harvard
    http://archives.sethroberts.net/blog/2014/01/11/joseph-biederman-is-still-at-harvard/
    … For which Biederman received a slap on the wrist from Harvard.

    Justina Pelletier and Boston Children’s Hospital
    http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2014/03/06/justina-pelletier-and-boston-childrens-hospital/
    David R. DeMaso, MD, is the head of psychiatry at BCH. He is also a professor at Harvard, and is a member of Harvard’s Psychiatry Department Executive Committee…. There is also a “connections” page on Harvard Catalyst, listing three publications co-authored by Dr. DeMaso and Dr. Biederman….

    Elena Kagan: Jewish Ethnic Networking Eases the Path of a Liberal/Leftist to the Supreme Court
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Kagan.html
    … her writing is not voluminous at all. In her entire career at the University of Chicago and Harvard — the very apex of elite academic institutions — she has written a grand total of 9 articles. Actually, her scholarly output is even less than that because two of these publications are book reviews and one is a tribute to Thurgood Marshall. When she received tenure at the University of Chicago in 1995, she had exactly two scholarly articles published in law journals — a record that would ordinarily not get her tenure even at quite a few third tier universities much less an elite institution like the University of Chicago. But on the basis of this record and later work in the Clinton Administration, in 2003 she became the dean of Harvard Law School,….

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    Thanks for this devastating take down with corroborating links.
  93. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    These Asian plaintiffs are actually anti-Affirmative Action. They want true color-blind admissions, because their grades and test scores are better than those of the competition.

  94. No one discussing Harvard admissions vis à vis ethnicity is worth listening to if they ignore the JQ. How many of the “white” Hahvahd kids are goyim?

  95. @PiltdownMan

    I have a practical question. My teenage son is Vietnamese (adopted) and I keep reading that his chances for college admission will be tougher because he is Asian. Will it improve his odds if he selects “other” as his racial category? What if he selects white? And since race is a social construct, can he self identify as African and, with his test scores, jump to the head of the line? Does anyone know how closely the admissions offices monitor these racial selections?
     
    They're not automatons, and will look at the name, the parents names, and any clues to ethnicity in the personal essay. Besides, there may well be an interview.

    But I do know of an East Indian girl who was born in Kenya and holds Kenyan citizenship who checked African on her Stanford form, and got in with a modest academic record. She was interviewed, so it is possible that that had nothing to do with it. Or maybe it did.

    But I do know of an East Indian girl who was born in Kenya and holds Kenyan citizenship who checked African on her Stanford form, and got in with a modest academic record. She was interviewed, so it is possible that that had nothing to do with it. Or maybe it did.

    Your uncertainty means they’re doing things right. 😉

  96. @Charles Pewitt
    California has 39.2 million people in it. New Hampshire has 1.3 million people. There are millions of White Core Americans in California without any political representation. That can't go on much longer.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control. Choice land and property on the California coast will be their reward. We are heading for a constitutional crisis that will destroy the anti-White totalitarianism currently in power.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

    You are insane.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    I wrote:

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

     

    Mr. Anonguy wrote:

    You are insane.

     

    I believe some of my ancestors went over the Channel with William the Conqueror and defeated the Saxons at Senlac Hill in 1066. I have ancestors with Saxon names, too, so love was in the air, eventually, between the Normans and the Saxons.

    The Globalizers are the Saxons and they will soon be defeated. Patriots would have wiped them out decades ago, but monetary policy -- debt -- kept the Globalizers in power. SHORT SHARP SHOCKS do occur in the political realm, and they will soon happen again.

    THINK BIG IS WHAT I AM SAYING
  97. AM says:
    @JSM
    I don't get why Asians' acceptance rate into Harvard is even something we're talking about.

    Asians are among the wealthiest minorities, plenty of rich guys who could donate, so why can't they start their own colleges? Blacks have HBCUs started by Blacks. Jews did it: Brandeis, Yeshiva, American Jewish University, etc. Where's the American Asian University?

    If they're so discriminated against, if they can't get into elite colleges because evil Whites keep them out, why don't they start their own? If they were to start their own colleges and they really are "all that," it wouldn't take long before everybody was clamoring to get into *their* university, and they could sit smugly denying entrance. But they don't.
    Funny, that.
    Almost makes ya think all that grinding really doesn't end up accomplishing much in the real world in terms of world-shaking.

    Almost makes ya think all that grinding really doesn’t end up accomplishing much in the real world in terms of world-shaking.

    It doesn’t. It appears that the European Christian male ability to have some fun while they go school (and afterwards) gets a lot more done in the long run.

  98. @Anonymous
    A little perspective on all this "poor Asians" stuff. In terms of elite endeavors (medicine and law), Whites score as well or better than Asians.

    MCAT--Medical School

    Mean for All Applicants (2016):

    Whites 504
    Asians 503
    Hispanics 496
    Blacks 494

    And Whites' GPAs are better in applying to Medical Score

    Mean for All Applicants (2016):

    Whites 3.61
    Asians 3.57
    Hispanics 3.41
    Blacks 3.29

    https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf

    LSAT--Law School (2012--latest data I could find)

    Whites 152.80
    Asians 152.68
    Hispanics 146.32
    Blacks 141.84

    https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/research-(lsac-resources)/tr-12-03.pdf?sfvrsn=4

    LSAT–Law School (2012–latest data I could find)

    Whites 152.80
    Asians 152.68
    Hispanics 146.32
    Blacks 141.84

    Whites and Asians are about evenly matched when it comes to the LSAT (and law school performance), because it’s so heavily language-oriented.

  99. @Seth Largo
    I don’t support affirmative action myself and as far as I know, every Asian I know doesn’t.

    Matches my experience in So Cal, where I have known, worked with, and dated many East and South Asians. Maybe it's different in the Bay Area. But I have to believe that Asians like the girl quoted in the article are outliers.

    Why don’t more Asians vote Republican? Or am I misinformed about how they tend to vote?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.
    , @Seth Largo
    I think around 30% consistently vote Republican---which is impressive given that Asians by and large are a very recently arrived immigrant group that lives almost exclusively in a few ultra progressive coastal cities.

    And anyway, I don't think voting preference is nearly as important as other revealed preferences, and Asians (especially East Asians) tend to live like Republicans even if they don't vote like them. And that's more important. I'm familiar with a handful of L.A. area towns that are at or over 50% Asian (Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights, Hacienda Heights). All are perfectly livable suburbs with good schools. I'd be happy to live in any of them.

    We live in a global, hyper-connected world. The 1950s aint coming back. Looking at Europe, I don't think I can muster even the tiniest protest against a growing Asian population. I mean, take all the ethnic groups in the world, now make a list of which ones you'd want moving into your city (cuz you gotta choose): Chinese, Koreans, Indians, etc. would be at the top of any sane person's list. Yeah, it sucks that local whites can't compete with all the money the Asian families are pouring into property markets, but that's a far more tractable problem than living with a few million unskilled young males susceptible to sudden jihad syndrome.

  100. AM says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.
     
    Clyde, I have noticed that any university town will have a fairly large contingent of Chinese people - the students (mostly grad., but some undergrad), parents who come on visas to take care of grandchildren - a whole bunch. In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students. It's out of hand, and solely about the bucks. (No, Catholic School is not cheap anymore, and unfortunately, the strict discipline, also part of a long-held reputation, is gone. It's very disappointing to see a lack of blood-stained wooden yardsticks at these schools - that was only semi-sarcastic.) Bring back The Penguin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    Man, that's awesome - RIP John Belushi.

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students.

    Not shocked in the least. Given how likely it is for any native Catholic student to remain in the faith after graduation, it’s time for the those institutions to collapse anyway.

    If a young person has better chance of good education, including in the faith, outside of such schools, they’re alive beyond their expiration date anyway.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yep, AM, homeschooling beats even a good private school on teaching of faith, on cost by at least an order of magnitude, on material learned by double, on hours wasted in school by 1/2, and on thinking for oneself by . This is why homeschooling scares the living shit out of the elites (just ask 'em).
  101. AG Sessions is blocking grants to sanctuary cities. As a few of us said, this was all kafaybe to have SESSIONS MAN OF HONOR in the headlines before Sessions went all carpet bombing.

    A lot of how Harvard will do is going to be how AG Sessions (Who went to U of A and Tuscaloosa) feels about Harvard functioning as a wasp’s nest against his beliefs.

  102. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    There seems to be Aggressive or Dominant Diversity and Passive or Submissive Diversity(or maybe Recessive Diversity). And it has a lot to do with group-personality.

    Jews have pushy chutzpah.
    Homos have flaming p**pchutespah.
    Blacks have brash hoopshootzpah.

    Asians tend to be of recessive diversity, and as such, become servitors of others.
    In diverse environment, they defer to Others and conform to Prevailing Narrative.

    This is difference between Jews and Asians.

    When Jews came to the US, they didn’t just follow Wasp Narrative. They challenged it and overturned it.
    In contrast, Asians just follow and serve the Dominant Narrative and Big Identity. Like the ‘seoul brother 1 &2’.

    And consider that kid who wrote BLM 100x, one of the most shameless displays of asskissing to get IN. (But hey, it worked. Savvy kid. He understood Asian identity itself doesn’t matter much. Recessive Diversity must latch onto cooler Dominant Diversity… like the GOP that writes ISRAELI LIVES MATTER a million times to get more donations from likes of Adelson.)

    I never seen blacks show any interest for other people in diversity. At Yale, they just scream Black Lives Matter and at Duke, they shut down library. They are only into themselves. It’s like black women think they are the most beautiful woman, and Michelle Obama thinks she’s so smart.
    Blacks have Dominant Diversity gene. They expect others to show interest in them, not other way around. Others must understand blacks and serve blacks and agree with blacks.

    Jews are much the same way though capable of greater introspection(when they make an effort). But combination of paranoia and addiction to power have made so many Jews closed-minded, like their current reaction to Trump.

    As for homos… and tranniess… sheesh, they are so deluded that the demand all of humanity to get on their knees and worship what homos do. And when some tranny with beard and dress walks outside, he wants people to look at him as ‘her’ and praise him/her/it to high heaven.

    So, ‘diversity’ is really about recessive diversity serving dominant diversity.

    • Agree: peterike
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Jews have pushy chutzpah.
    Homos have flaming p**pchutespah.
    Blacks have brash hoopshootzpah.
     
    That’s poetry. :)
  103. @Trelane
    Didn't Bill Clinton once say about affirmative action, that without it, Berkeley would one day be all Asian? He may have been right. The footage of Clinton making this statement was somehow lost.

    Similarly, 1995 footage of Peter Jennings on World News Tonight talking over a sack on "The Bell Curve" with Nazi storm troupers marching and swastikas flying in an over the shoulder graphic appears to be lost to history.
  104. @prole
    I agree....we need to ban affirmative action at medical schools and eliminate the preferences given to females. Male doctors are more productive, do not take 3 months maternity leave. Have longer careers and work longer hours.

    Long professional school education for women funded by 200,000+ student loans is also very dysgenic.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    Aye, the problem of advanced civilization

    Strikingly, a multiple Ivy League educated doctor whom I am aware of. Once, she was Ivy League educated in her twenties; now, she is in her thirties with no children and no husband (but plenty of degrees)
  105. @PhysicistDave
    Steve Sailer wrote:

    First, those Asians who get in quickly get over their heartache over their friends back home who didn’t get in, those losers, and make lots of awesome new winner friends at Harvard.
     
    My own theory, based partly on comparing our twins' recent results on college admissions, is that elite admissions are intentionally arbitrary, beyond a (reasonably high) baseline.

    It's sort of like the "Stockholm syndrome": the colleges put the applicants through emotional hell for four months or more, and then the students who do manage to get accepted feel especially grateful at being among the chosen few.

    If the admissions process were transparent and those who were accepted knew that they had truly earned admission, why should they feel gratitude? Their admission would then not be a gift the university had given them but simply what they rightly deserved.

    To use another analogy, it's similar to the doctrine of predestination in traditional Calvinism. If you earned admission to heaven on your own merits, why then feel gratitude towards God? It would be your achievement, not His gift.

    But, if God arbitrarily chose you to be saved from among all of the other equally sinful creatures in this vale of tears, then He has given you an unearned gift for which you should feel eternal gratitude.

    The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges' interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary.

    Of course, if employers ever realize that, by hard work, you can learn a great deal more in four years from online MOOCs, your local university library, and even good regional public libraries than the vast majority of students learn in four years at Stanford or Harvard, then, perhaps, the game is up.

    But we're not there yet.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    “The basic emotional structure of human beings makes it against the colleges’ interest to have a fair, rational, and transparent admissions process. They gain undying loyalty from those they arbitrarily admit precisely because the process is arbitrary.”

    One of the best comments I’ve read on iSteve. Well done.

  106. Everybody should go to Harvard. For free. It’s only fair. Anybody who disagrees is racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynist and white. They should be killed.

  107. The girl quoted at the end is named Emily Choi. I went to school with an Olivia Choi. Olivia was Korean so I’m guessing Emily is too. And Emily, I think you’re parroting a line that sounds good for an interviewer. Nobody says stuff like that who isn’t programmed to repeat such piffle. Stop being a stereotypical Asian student and giving the answer that you memorized for the test.

    Olivia would just roll her eyes at you.

  108. @Dave Pinsen

    Second, it’s not clear that even Asians want Harvard to turn into UC Irvine, which is only about 15% white these days.
     
    I bet they don't want America to be 15% white either. I didn't think of Asians when leaving this comment over at LOTB's blog yesterday, but I think this idea of rebalancing America's demographics might appeal to them too:

    The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction. Imagine if Trump runs for reelection in 2020 on a platform of, over time, using immigration to move America half way back to its pre-1965 demographic balance, say, a white percentage of 75%, and pointed out that the Democrats’ goal is for whites to become a minority in America. He could also point out that the Democrats’ goal of integrating schools and neighborhoods with white people will be easier to accomplish when there are more white people to go around. To sweeten the pot, he could throw in reparations for descendants of slaves, as part of the deal (in return for abolishing Affirmative Action).

    Let Democrats run against that. Trump would probably get 65% of the white vote, 35% of the Hispanic vote, and 20% of the black vote (Dems would counter with their own reparations proposal, and retain most black votes).
     

    “The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction”

    The key to America’s demographic change is not political, it is economic. If America’s population growth falls under 0.7 percent then there will be a financial crash. America’s economic success depends on an ever expanding population. Growth has to occur and if America’s native population does not grow at least 0.7 percent yearly than America has to import people from other parts of the world.I know many European(White) people that have few or no children.

    There are billions of people in the world mostly from third world countries that America can import. A ready supply of consumers.More food to consume, more toilet paper, more housing,more cars,etc,etc.

    There seems to be nothing we can do to stop this.Nature will run itz course.

    The same is true of Europe.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Behold the inner workings of the autistic-sociopathic mind! Economic "growth" is paramount! Toilet paper is rotting on the rolls!

    Ultimately, the only way to sell more toilet paper is to produce more ... shit. And shit is precisely what the dregs of the Third World have to offer. Jack shit, in fact.

    As for you, and those of your ilk, let me say that all you have to offer is ... bullshit. Mounds of it. Dunes of it. Rolling hills and craggy peaks of it.

    If nothing else, your intellectual garden is exceedingly well-fertilized.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Another way to achieve economic growth is to export more stuff. That's what Japan's been doing. Granted, their recent economic growth hasn't been spectacular, but with no inflation and a shrinking population, the Japanese have been doing great with it. Highest life expectancy in the world, 2.8% unemployment, record low crime, enviable infrastructure, food, etc.
  109. @Arthur Pierce
    There are plenty of high IQ Whites who aren't (((Whites))), but good luck on them getting into Harvard these days.

    “We don’t want nobody that nobody sent” as they say in Chicago.

  110. @Florestan
    Asian Americans must be the least cohesive ethnic group in the US. Whereas blacks, Latinos, and Jews can be counted on to rally behind members of their own respective groups, Asian Americans are prone to defend policies that limit opportunities for members of their own group. It is reflective of the anxiety Asians feel in becoming assimilated to mainstream American culture - they want to belong and be popular, but they secretly intuit that they can only achieve this goal by separating themselves from other Asians. The paradox is that many of these Asian Americans consider themselves to be the defenders of Asian American identity. Speaking up for affirmative action is thus a way of signaling that one is a "cool Asian," much as supporting BLM for whites is a way of signaling that one is a "good white."

    Either that or their numbers are growing.

    “Never complain until you are strong enough to demand”

    Lee kuan Pitts

  111. This is a petty simple issue. Asians don’t get any goodies because they behave. They don’t ever set cities on fire which makes them unusable from the jewish point of view and unsexy from the female.

    But since the end object is beating down white men, eventually they’ll get get some sort of deal with a share of the special treatment pie. They just have to ask more often than those of a higher vibrancy level.

  112. @Charles Pewitt
    California has 39.2 million people in it. New Hampshire has 1.3 million people. There are millions of White Core Americans in California without any political representation. That can't go on much longer.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control. Choice land and property on the California coast will be their reward. We are heading for a constitutional crisis that will destroy the anti-White totalitarianism currently in power.

    I think it will be Civil War 2.0, got to stay with the times after all…LOL

    Not just the Kali coast; keep the whole damn thing from Mexico to Canada! Best climate in the entire country, I’m not willingly letting the feral left squat there forever.

    It’s a topic on some of the gun forums, essentially surround the urban areas (where the feral left is) and cut it off from the rest of the country. No electricity, natural gas, water, drop some freeway bridges, same for the rail roads, and no food or anything else gets in.

    Get another Air Canada pilot to land at all the big airports.

    Then just wait them out. Big question is where to send them. Lots of room in Texass, probably there. LOL

    • Replies: @Shitposter
    We don't want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California's a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of "diversity'' there. It'll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That's a big possibly, though.
  113. @Guy de Champlagne
    Why isn't there any movement to tackle this legislatively rather than judicially? Affirmative action is much less popular among voters than the judiciary.

    Why isn’t there any movement to tackle this legislatively

    I guess you mean, at the national legislative level. Because at the state level, any number of states have banned affirmative action — California, Texas and Michigan among them — and those laws have ended up in court, usually losing, as some of the best-known cases of our time.

  114. @Anonymous
    This single blog posting contains several harbingers of our American doom.

    By the time I got to the bottom and the Sandra Day flashback I felt like slitting my wrists.

    This is not a serious country anymore. Obviously.

    Just pull up a chair, make some popcorn, crack open a cold one, and watch the fun. Better than everything on HBO, AMC, Hulu, and Netflix combined.

  115. @JSM
    I'm on a low-sodium diet. I don't want any more salt *at all.* Immigration Moratorium NOW. In fact, I want a whole lot less salt. I want to go back to America as 90% White with minorities mostly Black (because we're stuck with 'em because slavery). White people don't need immigrants to give us good food. Recipes can be emailed from other countries and White chefs are perfectly capable of learning the techniques.

    Move to Maine.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    But not to Portland or Lewiston!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Somalis_in_Maine
  116. the center cannot hold – good

  117. Affirmative action is one front on this war, but it’s far from the only one, maybe not only the most important one. There’s also curriculum, student debt, left student activism, forced indoctrination of the students, etc.

    The point being, this needs to be addressed as many ways as we can, at the state level and the federal level as well. Recall the transgender thing started because some federal Department of Education bureaucrats conveniently “interpreted” Title IX to support transgenderism. The Trump Administration has since undone that.

    But, somebody could write an opposite “Dear Colleague” guidance letter to ban transgenderism. It’s just as plausible as the first one. Forced integration of bathrooms, etc., is a denial of women’s ability to participate on campus.

    Or another thing, give Ann Coulter, Charles Murray or somebody suitably objectionable some Administration job somewhere. Then force their way on campus using any of a hundred different ways. Then if the usual gang of idiots want to cause trouble again, it’s not just Dean Wormer and college town Keystone Kops who are going to set them straight. The US Marshals, FBI, and US Attorneys are not going to be nearly as forgiving.

    There’s more than one way to skin a cat. We should be getting started on at least a few of them.

  118. @Anon
    “The diversity at Harvard has been key to my learning, and I think that if there weren’t so many people of different backgrounds, I wouldn’t be forced to think about things in new ways.”

    Then, why does everyone think the same at Harvard?

    It is diversity that paradoxically makes for uniformity of thought since...

    1. One must be careful not to offend others.

    2. One must be especially careful not to offend the Holy Three: Jews, blacks, and homos.

    Also, why does one need to go to Ivy League school to find diversity, which is dime-a-dozen in the US? Go to any Walmart, and you see all sorts of people: whites, blacks, browns, yellows, arabs, etc.
    Does it make one a smarter or better shopper to be around Hindus and Mexicans? Gee, I bought a better pair of underwear because an Arab happened to stand near me!

    Gee, just how is it that all-white Europe made such explosions in science and medicine while diverse Ottoman Empire and Arab empires lagged?

    To keep diversity together, there must be uniformity of thought. If you have diversity of peoples and diversity of ideas, things fall apart. For social stability, there must be either diversity of ideas among one people or one idea among diverse peoples. It's why that Asian kid conformed to BLM shibboleths and wrote BLM a 100 times to get into Stanford. Piece of shi*.

    It's not diversity that is key. It is competition.
    Europe surged ahead by competition among various kingdoms and states.

    Current diversity is more like Byzantium followed by Ottoman. Stifling under One Dogma of the Holy Three Worship.

    It also tears one away from one's own people and culture. Once you enter the club, one's status becomes most important.

    After all, there is high diversity unified by power and privilege, and there is low diversity that have in common absolutely nothing but the fact that it has to take it up the ass from high diversity of privilege.

    Go to any Walmart…Does it make one a smarter or better shopper to be around Hindus and Mexicans?

    Actually, yes. Because few of my nearest Walmart’s employees speak English, I’ve become better at finding things without help!

  119. @Clark Westwood
    Why don't more Asians vote Republican? Or am I misinformed about how they tend to vote?

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.
     
    Interesting. Two questions, if you care to comment:

    1. Why was Obama a turning point?

    2. Have they now gone back to pre-Obama patterns?
    , @anonguy

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.
     
    More ignorance of the history of Hawaii here.
  120. @anonguy

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

     

    You are insane.

    I wrote:

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

    Mr. Anonguy wrote:

    You are insane.

    I believe some of my ancestors went over the Channel with William the Conqueror and defeated the Saxons at Senlac Hill in 1066. I have ancestors with Saxon names, too, so love was in the air, eventually, between the Normans and the Saxons.

    The Globalizers are the Saxons and they will soon be defeated. Patriots would have wiped them out decades ago, but monetary policy — debt — kept the Globalizers in power. SHORT SHARP SHOCKS do occur in the political realm, and they will soon happen again.

    THINK BIG IS WHAT I AM SAYING

  121. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    Q: What do you call the medical school student who graduates at the bottom of his class?

    A: “Doctor”.

  122. @benjaminl
    Anecdotes: If you look at the names of the "junior Phi Beta Kappa," i.e. the top students in the class, published every year, it is exactly what you would expect from a HBD perspective.

    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now. But I expect that sooner or later, the meritocratic exercise will come under the Eye of Soros and be turned into another meaningless Diversity festival. Then they'll come for the Putnam math competition.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/4/28/2017-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/5/2/2016-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/4/10/junior-24-PBK-harvard/


    I knew a couple of Harvard undergrads who were superstar valedictorians from Compton/East L.A. type inner city schools. They were in remedial classes and barely scraped by.

    If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,”…
    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now.

    Already happened. Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton’s junior class (kind of a “pre-valedictorian”). As you may recall, Sotomayor has said (bragged) that she arrived at Princeton so underprepared she set out to improve her English by reading children’s books. So we’re to believe that in two years she vaulted intellectually right over all of her classmates?

    She actually co-won the Pyne Prize. Her co-winner was the economist David Germany.

    • Replies: @academic gossip

    Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton’s junior class
     
    It is not an academic distinction but more of a "student of the year" award based on a combination of high grades and outstanding other activity. Sotomayor got it for her political, or racial, activism. The other recipient in her year, David Germany, was the academically highest-ranked student at Princeton and editor of the school newspaper. He later became the manager of a giant hedge fund (around 200 billion USD assets). I don't know if he was still ranked number one after the fourth year, but Sotomayor was nowhere close to being the second-best student in her graduating class. This is often misreported.
    , @Triumph104
    Sonia Sotomayor was culturally ignorant when she arrived at Princeton so she read children's literature like Alice in Wonderland in order to catch up.

    Since the elder George Bush was in an accelerated program for WWII vets, he graduated from Yale with a degree in economics in only two and a half years. He became a member of Phi Beta Kappa despite having a wife and child, being a cheerleader and baseball player, playing in two College World Series, and being a member of Skull and Bones. His academic records have been sealed and rightly so.


    By the time of his 1948 graduation, he had been elected to Phi Beta Kappa, an honor traditionally associated with academic achievement. A great deal is known about George Bush's career at Yale, except the part about books and studies. Unfortunately for those who would wish to consider his intellectual accomplishment, everything about that has been sealed shut and is top secret. The Yale administration says they have turned over to the FBI custody of all of Bush's academic records, allegedly because the FBI needs such access to check the resume of important office holders.
     
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/the_racist_nightmare.html
    , @syonredux
    RE: Sotomayor’s struggles with English,

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor said in a 1996 speech at Princeton University’s Third World Center (now called the Carl A. Fields Center) that when she arrived at Princeton in 1972 as her high school’s valedictorian, “I found out that my Latina background had created difficulties in my writing that I needed to overcome. For example, in Spanish we do not have adjectives. A noun is described with a preposition…. My writing was stilted and overly complicated, my grammar and vocabulary skills weak.”
     
    You know, I don’t even speak Spanish, but….

    libro rojo

    red book

    pluma roja

    red pen

    libros rojos

    red books

    plumas rojas

    red pens

    Maybe Sonia is semi-literate in two languages?
  123. @StillCARealist
    I remember that. He said, "if students were accepted only on grades and test scores, we'd have entire universities in California that would be all Asian American."

    This is one of those facts that all the races need to come to grips with. Some form of racial discrimination is inevitable.

    @45 StillCARealist: Why must Whites “come to grips” with Asian immigrants taking over institutions built by White people for White posterity? I seem to recall Asians, of all types, have their own nations and educational institutions and, indeed, frequently brag of a history of academic qualifications and achievement.

    No form of “racial discrimination” is necessary or endurable of one has one’s own country. That’s what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @AM

    No form of “racial discrimination” is necessary or endurable of one has one’s own country. That’s what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.
     
    It's not all of them, but it's usually pretty easy to peg someone's age by their particular reaction to alt-right concepts.

    It's pretty clear, for whatever reason, that a critical mass of Boomers are absolutely intent on giving away or otherwise destroying their civilization. The assumption that people are interchangeable and culture has nothing to do with HBD, that the only reason someone might value homogeneity in the community is inherently evil and, that the "ultimate" meritocracy only benefits a society is general attitude of those born in an individual era. Any attempts to explain any other POV fall on deaf ears. Racist! Bigot!

    More importantly, they've had almost all the powers for decades and only let in the teacher's pets from the following generations. Trump was really a surprise.
    , @Some Economist
    Exactly.

    Not only does it seem unfair to the people who built these institutions with the expectation that it benefit their progeny, it has some troubling effects looking forward: Who really feels the need to enhance institutions for the good of some unknown---and not only ungrateful but hostile---future strangers who are not their descendants?
  124. @eah
    OT

    Sen. John McCain aims to revive immigration reform when he returns to Congress

    There is an accompanying video -- at the outset, McCain is asked a question about Trump's proposal to limit/reduce legal immigration -- in the first sentence of his answer McCain mentions lettuce.

    Lettuce dispel once and for all with the fiction that John McCain doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

    John McCain is a treasonous rat who pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. McCain will rot and burn in hell for his unpatriotic actions that have harmed the United States.

    I will admit, regardless of manners, that I frigging hate John McCain and Marco Rubio.

  125. Mr. Sailer,

    this is off-topic, but I think it will interest you. This is an excerpt from a recent comment of mine in another thread:

    I noticed that the “Related Pieces by Author” box only shows up underneath articles that are classified by category or tagged with certain keywords. Mr. Sailer usually does not do that so under most of his blog posts only the “Recently from Author” box shows up: https://www.unz.com/isteve/asians-sue-harvard-over-affirmative-action-in-admissions/

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/new-software-releaseopen-thread/#comment-1955952

    Mr. Karlin, for example, categorizes and tags all his blog posts as far as I can tell, and the “Related Pieces by Author” box plus pieces “ Of Related Interest” show up underneath his blog posts, see here for example: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/pew-poll-trump-2017/

    This article of yours is categorized and several key words are tagged, and hence the “Related Pieces by Author” box plus pieces “ Of Related Interest” show up underneath your post: https://www.unz.com/isteve/u-n-world-population-prospects-2017-the-coming-sub-saharan-tsunami/

    I think many readers of yours, especially the new ones, but even your loyal, long-time readers, are missing out on your past writings on related topics if you do not categorize and tag your blog posts with certain key words.

    This is just a suggestion, but I think it would greatly enhance your blog and benefit your readers, if you started categorizing and tagging all your blog posts.

    By the way, I have not seen any blog post/discussion from you on the following NY Times piece yet, maybe you missed it because you were on your road trip or I missed you commenting on it, but this is basically your research: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/world/africa/africa-climate-change-kenya-land-disputes.html

    Congratulations to you on this and thank you so much for having mainstreamed this most important of issues, Mr. Sailer. This is a YUGE deal!!! and you basically did it single-handedly, in my opinion.

    Huge respect and props to you!

  126. @Daniel Chieh
    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.

    Interesting. Two questions, if you care to comment:

    1. Why was Obama a turning point?

    2. Have they now gone back to pre-Obama patterns?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    Not certain. My assumption is that he came off as the first post-racial president, and was generally smooth. Speaking for myself, I was generally apolitical at the time and didn't feel like I cared much whether he or Romney won, so I didn't vote.

    Then, of course, his administration brought insanity bar none and it turned me into a desperate Trumpist, at times, making common cause of sorts with people on the extreme right who want me to essentially die.

    I imagine that there are other Asians who feel the same way.
  127. @eah
    But ala Richard Spencer I do not feel sorry for these Asian-Americans Asians -- I agree they are being treated unfairly, but I have no sympathy for them -- instead I feel sorry for white kids -- especially eg in CA, where the over-representation of Asians at UC is shocking.

    https://twitter.com/Brannon1776/status/862875649362546693

    Racial and Ethnic Preferences and Consequences at the University of Maryland School of Medicine

    http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/653/MDMED.pdf

  128. @Anonymous
    The "Asian advantage" in test taking.

    In HBD circles we call this a higher iq.

    That’s not proven. It’s at least plausible to think a culture of more prepping and more cheating, rather than genetic differences, is the distinguishing factor.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's also plausible then, that the achievements of whites over blacks and Hispanics is at least partly due to more test prep and cheating.

    The unfair test prepping meme sounds more like desperate excuse making than anything backed up by science.

    Blacks play more basketball and work out more than whites or Asians.

    Does that mean the wicked blacks are gaming the system by playing more basketball than other races?
  129. AM says:
    @3g4me
    @45 StillCARealist: Why must Whites "come to grips" with Asian immigrants taking over institutions built by White people for White posterity? I seem to recall Asians, of all types, have their own nations and educational institutions and, indeed, frequently brag of a history of academic qualifications and achievement.

    No form of "racial discrimination" is necessary or endurable of one has one's own country. That's what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.

    No form of “racial discrimination” is necessary or endurable of one has one’s own country. That’s what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.

    It’s not all of them, but it’s usually pretty easy to peg someone’s age by their particular reaction to alt-right concepts.

    It’s pretty clear, for whatever reason, that a critical mass of Boomers are absolutely intent on giving away or otherwise destroying their civilization. The assumption that people are interchangeable and culture has nothing to do with HBD, that the only reason someone might value homogeneity in the community is inherently evil and, that the “ultimate” meritocracy only benefits a society is general attitude of those born in an individual era. Any attempts to explain any other POV fall on deaf ears. Racist! Bigot!

    More importantly, they’ve had almost all the powers for decades and only let in the teacher’s pets from the following generations. Trump was really a surprise.

  130. Quare: Why in Hell is Harvard University (or any other private university, but especially demonstrably filthy rich ones) receiving even one penny of federal funds at all?

  131. @Che Guava
    That is funny, Non-Jewish white people, should do the same thing.

    Anyway, I am posting because there is an article on TOO about the Detroit riots, it draws on similar sources to your own good article on Takimag, I found many of the comments interesting, on many topics of US labour, and an account from a resident at the time, it does not ring false (but of course may be), in any case, I would recommend reading.

    Always regards.

    they tried in Texas and lost due to who/whom

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Thanks, nice to hear they tried, failure predictable, I suppose.

    You may be more careful about using who, whom, it does not really fit what you are saying, although I am to understanding your intention in it.
  132. @europeasant
    "The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction"

    The key to America's demographic change is not political, it is economic. If America's population growth falls under 0.7 percent then there will be a financial crash. America's economic success depends on an ever expanding population. Growth has to occur and if America's native population does not grow at least 0.7 percent yearly than America has to import people from other parts of the world.I know many European(White) people that have few or no children.

    There are billions of people in the world mostly from third world countries that America can import. A ready supply of consumers.More food to consume, more toilet paper, more housing,more cars,etc,etc.

    There seems to be nothing we can do to stop this.Nature will run itz course.

    The same is true of Europe.

    Behold the inner workings of the autistic-sociopathic mind! Economic “growth” is paramount! Toilet paper is rotting on the rolls!

    Ultimately, the only way to sell more toilet paper is to produce more … shit. And shit is precisely what the dregs of the Third World have to offer. Jack shit, in fact.

    As for you, and those of your ilk, let me say that all you have to offer is … bullshit. Mounds of it. Dunes of it. Rolling hills and craggy peaks of it.

    If nothing else, your intellectual garden is exceedingly well-fertilized.

  133. In other news, I see TNC has a new piece up at The Atlantic displaying the tiresome and predictable point of view that all of the forces of racism that existed in the past are in actually still with us and something black bodies grapple with daily. In this case, it’s because the South didn’t really lose the Civil War.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    In this case, it’s because the South didn’t really lose the Civil War.
     
    FFS. What would he consider really losing? White genocide?
  134. @Anonymous
    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.

    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.

    Lots of unis don’t ask for photos.

  135. @Daniel Chieh
    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.

    More ignorance of the history of Hawaii here.

  136. @Arclight
    In other news, I see TNC has a new piece up at The Atlantic displaying the tiresome and predictable point of view that all of the forces of racism that existed in the past are in actually still with us and something black bodies grapple with daily. In this case, it's because the South didn't really lose the Civil War.

    In this case, it’s because the South didn’t really lose the Civil War.

    FFS. What would he consider really losing? White genocide?

  137. @Johnny789
    I'm pretty sure that when I was at Concordia and I was riding the L to the Museum of Science and Industry I overheard Obama telling Ayers, "Damn! You can drop an Atomic Bomb on these folks and like cockroaches they still manage to scurry for cover in the Ivy League"

    Obama and Ayers riding the L? I’m skeptical.

  138. @David
    I remember your back and forth with Ron on Hispanic crime. I felt you were making the better argument, especially in pointing out that Ron seemed to be reasoning in a pre-ordained direction. Then you began defending your erudition and that made you look a little foolish.

    As for ad hominem attacks, you called Philip Giraldi "America-hating" which I think a lot of people here would find hard to understand, especially in the context of his trying to bring attention to a few dozen nearly forgotten American servicemen killed by Israel.

    When asked to explain why you wrote off his claims about the attack on the USS Liberty, you sighed as if you had been through it a milling times and said, "It just couldn't be and anyone who thinks it could has anti-Semitic priors." That's an ad hominem against Giraldi, most of unz.com's readers and anyone who might dare to argue with you on the point.

    You have a good memory.

    I did not mean to complain about the insults, but rather the lack of content to accompany the insults. Just lots of “You’re a dumb racialist” and “I an too busy to deal with you dummy, here’s a link” to something that was not responsive.

    I don’t blame him too much, arguing hispanic crime rates are similar to non hispanic white rates is in the end an impossible task against someone armed with Google and The Color of Crime.

  139. @bomag

    zero evidence... are held to higher numerical admission standards...
     
    He was probably comparing to the NAM cohort.

    Even so, there seems to be something not captured by the numbers. Countries; states; towns; businesses; departments; and bowling leagues populated and run by non-Jewish whites seem to have a desirability that is hard to quantify in the face of the metrics passed around in these debates.

    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.
     
    Something else that a holistic admissions process (especially if it included an interview) might capture that numbers would not is what might be called the highly WASP-ified ethnic. There are individuals from any group who "fit in" with parents' vision of how an Ivy League campus should look (their applications go to the top of the pile), and then there are individuals who definitely do not (put their applications at the bottom).
  140. @3g4me
    @45 StillCARealist: Why must Whites "come to grips" with Asian immigrants taking over institutions built by White people for White posterity? I seem to recall Asians, of all types, have their own nations and educational institutions and, indeed, frequently brag of a history of academic qualifications and achievement.

    No form of "racial discrimination" is necessary or endurable of one has one's own country. That's what the Alt-Right is fundamentally about, not the high IQ fetish aspect of HBD that the boomers here prefer to focus on.

    Exactly.

    Not only does it seem unfair to the people who built these institutions with the expectation that it benefit their progeny, it has some troubling effects looking forward: Who really feels the need to enhance institutions for the good of some unknown—and not only ungrateful but hostile—future strangers who are not their descendants?

  141. @benjaminl
    Anecdotes: If you look at the names of the "junior Phi Beta Kappa," i.e. the top students in the class, published every year, it is exactly what you would expect from a HBD perspective.

    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now. But I expect that sooner or later, the meritocratic exercise will come under the Eye of Soros and be turned into another meaningless Diversity festival. Then they'll come for the Putnam math competition.

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/4/28/2017-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/5/2/2016-pbk-junior-24/
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/4/10/junior-24-PBK-harvard/


    I knew a couple of Harvard undergrads who were superstar valedictorians from Compton/East L.A. type inner city schools. They were in remedial classes and barely scraped by.

    Love the last names of some of those kids from 2017. Gompers, Levy, Zigmond. They sound like legacy names from famous authors and characters of the 19th c.

  142. @Anonymous
    PhotoShop the photo he submits with his application.

    most South-east asians can pass for hispanic

  143. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.
     
    Clyde, I have noticed that any university town will have a fairly large contingent of Chinese people - the students (mostly grad., but some undergrad), parents who come on visas to take care of grandchildren - a whole bunch. In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students. It's out of hand, and solely about the bucks. (No, Catholic School is not cheap anymore, and unfortunately, the strict discipline, also part of a long-held reputation, is gone. It's very disappointing to see a lack of blood-stained wooden yardsticks at these schools - that was only semi-sarcastic.) Bring back The Penguin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    Man, that's awesome - RIP John Belushi.

    The whole medieval mentality that the Chinese culture had of producing a scholarly class who lived and died by their Imperial Examination system has spilled over into the US, and our educational system is now the Imperial Exam Prize they’re trying to bag. The fact that they decide to move here permanently where they’re a minority makes you realize how messed up China still is.

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they’d kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.

    What a lot of people in the US don’t understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever. They fear and hate their ruling class, they don’t trust them, and they don’t think they’ll be left in peace in the future if they stay in China.

    But this means there’s going to be a severe brain-drain out of China. In 40 years, China may be nothing but one big peasant country that’s turned into one supersize Detroit that doesn’t work very well, and where everything breaks down because all the brainy people got sick of the place and escaped when they could.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    What an interesting excursion in fantasy that has been.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they’d kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.
     
    I've done a lot of reading about the "Cultural Revolution". You are right, and those were sick, sick times, but the way things look on American campuses today is almost as sick, but without the coercive power from the top (had the beast been elected, it would be near in coming!) It is also amazing to think that during those same years in China, in America, we had this huge 1/2-world-sized economy, hippies cruising around following The Dead, 1/2 a million troops fighting a war 1/2 the world away... etc. What a difference a good economy makes! Think about this when you see the eviscerated state of American manufacturing and how much of America the Chinese can flat-out buy up.

    BTW Chairman Mao's "Mow Down 10 Million Flowers" program from only 6-8 years earlier was even worse on the population physically (i.e. starvation and destitution).

    What a lot of people in the US don’t understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever.
     
    That has definitely been the case, but I think that is changing for some of the Chinese. Indeed, many want to get their ill-begotten cash out of China, and that is a big part of the cause of housing bubble 2.0 on the west coast (Vancouver, BC, too, till a big tax on sales to foreign buyers) and any other university towns. Also, sending a kid to college in America is a toe-hold for green-cards for the whole family - this may be changing, yeah!

    However, again, the reputation is higher than reality, and maybe soon some of the campuses will look more American again, but I don't make those kind of predictions.

    As far at the brain-drain goes, I don't agree with that. There are 1.4 billion Chinamen/women. You could drain enough brains to fill 20 Cal Techs, and it won't make a dent in the total amount of decent brain mass.
  144. @Dee
    I think it will be Civil War 2.0, got to stay with the times after all...LOL

    Not just the Kali coast; keep the whole damn thing from Mexico to Canada! Best climate in the entire country, I'm not willingly letting the feral left squat there forever.

    It's a topic on some of the gun forums, essentially surround the urban areas (where the feral left is) and cut it off from the rest of the country. No electricity, natural gas, water, drop some freeway bridges, same for the rail roads, and no food or anything else gets in.

    Get another Air Canada pilot to land at all the big airports.

    Then just wait them out. Big question is where to send them. Lots of room in Texass, probably there. LOL

    We don’t want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California’s a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of “diversity” there. It’ll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That’s a big possibly, though.

    • Replies: @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    We already have enough of them in Austin.
     
    Analysis: True.

    One of the reasons I left Austin was that the people who'd left California for Austin are quickly turning Austin into the place they left. It was fun a first, tho', seeing the look on their faces when they were told that a house way nicer than the one they left in San Jose was 1/6th the price in Austin.
    , @Dee
    Left coast libs in Texass wouldn't be voters, we'd just warehouse them there until they assume room temperature. LOL

    You could collect them from Austin and add to the compound!
    , @StillCARealist
    I see these comments and they in no way conform to the reality of the people I know leaving California. There must be plenty of liberals leaving and making their way to Texas. But all the ex-Californians I know, and it's a long list at this point, are hard-core right wingers. They take their guns and their religion with them when they go.
    , @prusmc
    If the hard right not the left is fleeing the golden state, how do you explain the electorial lock on Colorado and Nevada and soon Arizona and Idaho?
  145. Michelle Malkin has calculated that affirmative action costs the average Asian family about $44k over their lifetime.

  146. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White Christians need to jump on the grievance bandwagon and sue Harvard, because they are not adequately represented in numbers commensurate with their proportion of the U.S. population. Whites would also be wise to push for a halt to Asian immigration. We are foolish to allow so many of our best academic and professional opportunities to go to current or recent immigrants. What kind of fools allow such a thing to happen?

    Furthermore, Asians are coming off as greedy and need to realize that admissions to U.S. schools has never been perfectly meritocratic.

  147. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    We’re not going to get there until employers can test what you’ve learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.

    As long as disparate-impact doctrine remains in force, the universities’ position is unassailable. Employers have no choice but to outsource applicant evaluation.

    This is an order of magnitude more important than the affirmative action debate.

    Agree 100%, more than 100 if that’s possible. The whole SJW-PC-HR axis is underpinned by the disparate impact boondoggle.

  148. OT
    “Climate change” is the major concern of more than 70 per cent of Germans, according to a new study, which found that less than half of those polled ranked mass migration as a cause for anxiety.

    Published ahead of the national election in September, the survey conducted by the Kantar Emnid opinion research centre found that 71 per cent of Germans listed climate change as their greatest cause of personal concern. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/04/germans-climate-change-biggest-fear/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

  149. @Charles Pewitt
    Any reference to Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot that doesn't mention the role of central banking in creating Harvard's ill-gotten gains is misleading to say the least. Raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent and Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot would vanish without a trace.

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard's pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.

    HARVARD HATES AMERICA

    THE IVY LEAGUE MUST BE DESTROYED

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard’s pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.

    These bubbles, by definition, will pop on their own, Charles. It’d be nice to have a hand in it ourselves – killing the FED, for example, but it will all go down on its own soon enough.

    /zerohedge mindset

  150. @Shitposter
    We don't want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California's a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of "diversity'' there. It'll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That's a big possibly, though.

    We already have enough of them in Austin.

    Analysis: True.

    One of the reasons I left Austin was that the people who’d left California for Austin are quickly turning Austin into the place they left. It was fun a first, tho’, seeing the look on their faces when they were told that a house way nicer than the one they left in San Jose was 1/6th the price in Austin.

  151. @Anon
    The whole medieval mentality that the Chinese culture had of producing a scholarly class who lived and died by their Imperial Examination system has spilled over into the US, and our educational system is now the Imperial Exam Prize they're trying to bag. The fact that they decide to move here permanently where they're a minority makes you realize how messed up China still is.

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn't as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they'd kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.

    What a lot of people in the US don't understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever. They fear and hate their ruling class, they don't trust them, and they don't think they'll be left in peace in the future if they stay in China.

    But this means there's going to be a severe brain-drain out of China. In 40 years, China may be nothing but one big peasant country that's turned into one supersize Detroit that doesn't work very well, and where everything breaks down because all the brainy people got sick of the place and escaped when they could.

    What an interesting excursion in fantasy that has been.

  152. @Achmed E. Newman

    But in Harvard’s case, the reality of the situation is that for “Asians” you can read “Chinese”. What I see is a population that is overwhelmingly FOB* and also parachuting their 15 year olds into California high schools to score resident priced educations in the California university system. I see these Chinese as pushy and very arrogant. And wanting to get very credentialed very fast at our elite universities without any consideration for Americans who have multi generational roots in America.
     
    Clyde, I have noticed that any university town will have a fairly large contingent of Chinese people - the students (mostly grad., but some undergrad), parents who come on visas to take care of grandchildren - a whole bunch. In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students. It's out of hand, and solely about the bucks. (No, Catholic School is not cheap anymore, and unfortunately, the strict discipline, also part of a long-held reputation, is gone. It's very disappointing to see a lack of blood-stained wooden yardsticks at these schools - that was only semi-sarcastic.) Bring back The Penguin:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI

    Man, that's awesome - RIP John Belushi.

    In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..

    That’s what it comes down to. For Confucian cultures, that piece of paper conveys a lot of respectability and they’re willing to spend a lot of money and effort to get it. There’s a thought that once they return to China, for example, having a degree from an American university can open a lot of doors.

    There are comparative Chinese institutions such as Tsinghua or Beijing, but due to the sheer number of applicants and because they’re competing against other Chinese there, getting in is almost impossible. So the strategy often is, if they can’t get in Tsinghua(which most can’t), then the next option is to try to get in an American university of some repute, so they can still get those presumably precious respectability points.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Right, Daniel, because you are Chinese, you know what I'm talking about. What you will read in the PeakStupidity link is that Chinese Universities are also different in that once you get in (the hard part), getting through is almost guaranteed. Since the US used to have serious schools, serious classes and serious students, it meant more to have a degree from a university here - it meant you got through a lot of hard work and must have learned (not discounting Europe either, but it's always been cheaper to live here).

    Now, that reputation is well founded but outdated. Many of them will be sorry later, when the true story of the sorry state of American education gets back to the Middle Country.

    I may put up a post about health care in China soon - it's personal experience and mostly positive.

    BTW, more about Confucius here, but I will answer Anon now (sorry, out of order, Anon).
  153. @Shitposter
    We don't want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California's a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of "diversity'' there. It'll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That's a big possibly, though.

    Left coast libs in Texass wouldn’t be voters, we’d just warehouse them there until they assume room temperature. LOL

    You could collect them from Austin and add to the compound!

  154. @Lot
    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.

    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.

    Something else that a holistic admissions process (especially if it included an interview) might capture that numbers would not is what might be called the highly WASP-ified ethnic. There are individuals from any group who “fit in” with parents’ vision of how an Ivy League campus should look (their applications go to the top of the pile), and then there are individuals who definitely do not (put their applications at the bottom).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Students' potential for classroom participation doesn't get much measured in college admissions, other than in teacher evaluation forms, but it's a pretty big deal. To toot my own horn, for example, I was a great classroom participant.
  155. @Clyde
    OT
    “Climate change” is the major concern of more than 70 per cent of Germans, according to a new study, which found that less than half of those polled ranked mass migration as a cause for anxiety.

    Published ahead of the national election in September, the survey conducted by the Kantar Emnid opinion research centre found that 71 per cent of Germans listed climate change as their greatest cause of personal concern. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/04/germans-climate-change-biggest-fear/

    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don’t come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I’m stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don’t have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn’t go on the trip, so I don’t have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

    • Replies: @AM

    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don’t come as low anymore as when they were kids.
     
    So...in other words ice in the Alps is more important than rape, or a culture, or children or future.

    I'm starting to think the Germans are the doe doe birds of the European cultures.
    , @Cortes
    Try the Kollapsnik for a readable account of what seems to be happening:

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/
    , @Jack Hanson
    Germany in a nutshell:

    We notice glaciers in the Alps but not the fact our daughters can't walk outside alone anymore.
    , @Cortes
    PS:

    Today's news:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/melting-glaciers-swiss-alps-could-reveal-hundreds-mummified-corpses
    , @Clyde
    Would have been great if you had been on that Boy Scout trip to the Sierra Nevada glaciers so that you could give a comparison to today. I am looking for a rewind on a few things in my life.
  156. @Clark Westwood

    I agree with you that Anglo whites have a special something that is hard to capture with numbers, and would fully expect holistic college admissions to reflect this.
     
    Something else that a holistic admissions process (especially if it included an interview) might capture that numbers would not is what might be called the highly WASP-ified ethnic. There are individuals from any group who "fit in" with parents' vision of how an Ivy League campus should look (their applications go to the top of the pile), and then there are individuals who definitely do not (put their applications at the bottom).

    Students’ potential for classroom participation doesn’t get much measured in college admissions, other than in teacher evaluation forms, but it’s a pretty big deal. To toot my own horn, for example, I was a great classroom participant.

    • Replies: @Clark Westwood

    To toot my own horn, for example, I was a great classroom participant.
     
    If you were as good then as you are now at noticing things, I'm not sure all your professors appreciated your participation.
  157. @peterike
    Originally posted this at LOTB, but it fits this discussion. And hey, copying from yourself isn't plagiarism!

    I think I have a solution to this problem of discrimination in admissions. I call this Transparency in Education, and Trump could probably do this via executive order.

    Goes like this. In order for any university to be eligible to receive student loans or (much more important for top schools) government grant funding, that school MUST publish all applications for admissions: this includes both those accepted and rejected. In addition, the school must publish any notes, comments, scoring systems, etc. used by the admissions committee, along with a full explanation of why a given student was accepted or rejected. This information will be published online, starting DURING the application process as applications are received.

    This system would allow for full transparency in admissions, and any “discrimination” could be easily uncovered and rooted out. How else can we know that white privilege and racism aren’t distorting the application process?

    Who could be against such an idea? Doesn’t information WANT to be free? Can we really continue to have our applications living in the shadows, like Guatemalan illegal stoop laborers? NO, I say, NO!! I have BEEN to the mountaintop. I have SEEN what true freedom looks like. And I say to you, ladies and gentlemen and those who can’t quite decide, SET OUR APPLICATIONS FREE!!!

    I think some Bill James type outsiders would emerge to statistically analyze college admissions stats if they were available.

  158. AM says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don’t come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    So…in other words ice in the Alps is more important than rape, or a culture, or children or future.

    I’m starting to think the Germans are the doe doe birds of the European cultures.

  159. It’s either affirmative action for none or affirmative action for all. There is no non-discriminatory middle-ground. Equality under the law demands one or the other.

  160. @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

    Try the Kollapsnik for a readable account of what seems to be happening:

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/

  161. @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

    Germany in a nutshell:

    We notice glaciers in the Alps but not the fact our daughters can’t walk outside alone anymore.

  162. @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

  163. Affirmative Action Battle Has a New Focus: Asian-Americans

    It’s a trap!

  164. @Anonymous
    Jared Kushner

    Donations are (part of) one path to admission but there is no indication that this path is differently priced for Jews, Gentiles, and Asians.

    By the way, if this Harvard site is a representative sample, the white and Jewish enrollment is very much part-Asian. Looks like something from Australia. “Traditional” gentile European stock may be a rare thing there these days.

    http://www.harvard2016.com/about/
    http://www.harvard2016.com/humansofharvard/

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    harvard2016.com/about
    harvard2016.com/humansofharvard
     
    Uggos, uggos, everywhere !!!

    Human has fast become a pejorative.
  165. @Steve Sailer
    Presumably, lots of people in Germany have gone to the Alps and seen that the glaciers don't come as low anymore as when they were kids.

    In contrast, I have a pretty good historical sense about how things have changed since I was a kid, but I'm stumped at coming up with persuasive tests from my own experience of whether climate change is happening in California, in part because we don't have many glaciers. The month before I joined the Boy Scouts in 1969, they had camped under one the few, small glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, but I didn't go on the trip, so I don't have any glacier related memories to test the present against.

    Would have been great if you had been on that Boy Scout trip to the Sierra Nevada glaciers so that you could give a comparison to today. I am looking for a rewind on a few things in my life.

  166. @International Jew

    If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,”...
    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now.
     
    Already happened. Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton's junior class (kind of a "pre-valedictorian"). As you may recall, Sotomayor has said (bragged) that she arrived at Princeton so underprepared she set out to improve her English by reading children's books. So we're to believe that in two years she vaulted intellectually right over all of her classmates?

    She actually co-won the Pyne Prize. Her co-winner was the economist David Germany.

    Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton’s junior class

    It is not an academic distinction but more of a “student of the year” award based on a combination of high grades and outstanding other activity. Sotomayor got it for her political, or racial, activism. The other recipient in her year, David Germany, was the academically highest-ranked student at Princeton and editor of the school newspaper. He later became the manager of a giant hedge fund (around 200 billion USD assets). I don’t know if he was still ranked number one after the fourth year, but Sotomayor was nowhere close to being the second-best student in her graduating class. This is often misreported.

  167. @europeasant
    "The key is to point out that America’s demographic change over the last half century has been a political decision, and America can make a political decision to move back in the other direction"

    The key to America's demographic change is not political, it is economic. If America's population growth falls under 0.7 percent then there will be a financial crash. America's economic success depends on an ever expanding population. Growth has to occur and if America's native population does not grow at least 0.7 percent yearly than America has to import people from other parts of the world.I know many European(White) people that have few or no children.

    There are billions of people in the world mostly from third world countries that America can import. A ready supply of consumers.More food to consume, more toilet paper, more housing,more cars,etc,etc.

    There seems to be nothing we can do to stop this.Nature will run itz course.

    The same is true of Europe.

    Another way to achieve economic growth is to export more stuff. That’s what Japan’s been doing. Granted, their recent economic growth hasn’t been spectacular, but with no inflation and a shrinking population, the Japanese have been doing great with it. Highest life expectancy in the world, 2.8% unemployment, record low crime, enviable infrastructure, food, etc.

  168. [Espenshade estimated] Asians are 140 points (out of 1600 on a two-part SAT or roughly 0.7 standard deviations) worse off than whites,

    Bad statistics from Professor Espenshade. He overestimated by a large factor, like 3 or 10, regardless of whether what he measured is accidental correlation or discriminatory causation (or a combination of both).

    If you throw a kitchen sink full of academic variables into the regression analysis, the effect of any one of them such as SAT is diluted when holding the others constant. When the power of SAT is cut by a factor of 5, you need 5 times more SAT points to be equivalent to whatever admissions effect correlates with being Asian.

    Average SAT scores for whites and Asians at schools like Harvard are nothing like 140 points apart. More like 14 or 40. This is well within the range of what would happen as the Test Prep Gap is nullified by teacher recommendations.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    Correct. Whites at Harvard and other Ivies do not average 140 points lower than Asians in SAT. Harvard actually surveys its freshman class and publishes the results online. Average Asian SAT score is about 70 points higher than white, on the 2400 point scale. So only about 50 point difference on the 1600 scale.

    The main reason whites average slightly lower SAT at these schools is legacy and athlete preferences, which mostly help white students. Not many Asian lacrosse players or swimmers.

    There has been no definitive study showing that all else being equal, whites are favored over Asians. None. Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian. Asians are vastly overrepresented at Harvard and other Ivies and have really no legitimate complaint.
  169. As a graduate from a top 50 but not at all ‘elite’ US college, I’ve seen more Indian students pushing the ‘party line’ on diversity than East Asian or Hispanic students.

    I was a part of a bunch of service/volunteer organizations in undergrad and the demographics of those groups, which usually skewed Left, were: most groups were at proportions that resembled their percentage of the student body, except Indian students were more common, East Asian were less common, and Hispanics were less common.

    Additionally, I know (AFAIK) Steve has touched on the support of Orthodox Jews for Trump but I’ve seen a decent chunk of Conservative Jews that I know move to support of Trump… especially the Cuban and Hispanic Jews. Miami Latin Jews (of which I’m a part…) seem to skew /very/ politically conservative (including on immigration restriction) in my experience.

  170. @Daniel Chieh

    In my opinion, many are spending a lot of hard-earned, or hard-bribed, money based on an outdated reputation of the value of the piece of paper they are seeking..
     
    That's what it comes down to. For Confucian cultures, that piece of paper conveys a lot of respectability and they're willing to spend a lot of money and effort to get it. There's a thought that once they return to China, for example, having a degree from an American university can open a lot of doors.

    There are comparative Chinese institutions such as Tsinghua or Beijing, but due to the sheer number of applicants and because they're competing against other Chinese there, getting in is almost impossible. So the strategy often is, if they can't get in Tsinghua(which most can't), then the next option is to try to get in an American university of some repute, so they can still get those presumably precious respectability points.

    Right, Daniel, because you are Chinese, you know what I’m talking about. What you will read in the PeakStupidity link is that Chinese Universities are also different in that once you get in (the hard part), getting through is almost guaranteed. Since the US used to have serious schools, serious classes and serious students, it meant more to have a degree from a university here – it meant you got through a lot of hard work and must have learned (not discounting Europe either, but it’s always been cheaper to live here).

    Now, that reputation is well founded but outdated. Many of them will be sorry later, when the true story of the sorry state of American education gets back to the Middle Country.

    I may put up a post about health care in China soon – it’s personal experience and mostly positive.

    BTW, more about Confucius here, but I will answer Anon now (sorry, out of order, Anon).

  171. @Steve Sailer
    Students' potential for classroom participation doesn't get much measured in college admissions, other than in teacher evaluation forms, but it's a pretty big deal. To toot my own horn, for example, I was a great classroom participant.

    To toot my own horn, for example, I was a great classroom participant.

    If you were as good then as you are now at noticing things, I’m not sure all your professors appreciated your participation.

  172. @Shitposter
    We don't want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California's a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of "diversity'' there. It'll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That's a big possibly, though.

    I see these comments and they in no way conform to the reality of the people I know leaving California. There must be plenty of liberals leaving and making their way to Texas. But all the ex-Californians I know, and it’s a long list at this point, are hard-core right wingers. They take their guns and their religion with them when they go.

  173. I think it’s time for Harvard to do right by the most oppressed group in history and admit 100% blacks. Harvard grads are considered best and brightest by virtue of having gone to Harvard, so why not just maximize such opportunity for blacks, turn as many of them as possible into Harvard grads? It’ll also be good for the blacks since they don’t have to compete with the Asian grinds and whites who still enjoy white privilege no matter how many get admitted. Black graduation rate will shoot up!

    C’mon Harvard(and Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, rest of the Ivies), stop pussy footing with this diversity claptrap, it’s time to get straight to the point, admit 100% blacks until black income equals that of whites. I’m sure no one will dare complaining, since anyone who does will immediately be labeled a racist and in this wonderful multicultural world we live in, that’s worse than being called a murderer.

    • Replies: @europeasant
    Your comment is one of the best in the sarcazm/parody class. I misspelled sarcasm!
  174. @Anon
    The whole medieval mentality that the Chinese culture had of producing a scholarly class who lived and died by their Imperial Examination system has spilled over into the US, and our educational system is now the Imperial Exam Prize they're trying to bag. The fact that they decide to move here permanently where they're a minority makes you realize how messed up China still is.

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn't as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they'd kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.

    What a lot of people in the US don't understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever. They fear and hate their ruling class, they don't trust them, and they don't think they'll be left in peace in the future if they stay in China.

    But this means there's going to be a severe brain-drain out of China. In 40 years, China may be nothing but one big peasant country that's turned into one supersize Detroit that doesn't work very well, and where everything breaks down because all the brainy people got sick of the place and escaped when they could.

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they’d kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.

    I’ve done a lot of reading about the “Cultural Revolution”. You are right, and those were sick, sick times, but the way things look on American campuses today is almost as sick, but without the coercive power from the top (had the beast been elected, it would be near in coming!) It is also amazing to think that during those same years in China, in America, we had this huge 1/2-world-sized economy, hippies cruising around following The Dead, 1/2 a million troops fighting a war 1/2 the world away… etc. What a difference a good economy makes! Think about this when you see the eviscerated state of American manufacturing and how much of America the Chinese can flat-out buy up.

    BTW Chairman Mao’s “Mow Down 10 Million Flowers” program from only 6-8 years earlier was even worse on the population physically (i.e. starvation and destitution).

    What a lot of people in the US don’t understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever.

    That has definitely been the case, but I think that is changing for some of the Chinese. Indeed, many want to get their ill-begotten cash out of China, and that is a big part of the cause of housing bubble 2.0 on the west coast (Vancouver, BC, too, till a big tax on sales to foreign buyers) and any other university towns. Also, sending a kid to college in America is a toe-hold for green-cards for the whole family – this may be changing, yeah!

    However, again, the reputation is higher than reality, and maybe soon some of the campuses will look more American again, but I don’t make those kind of predictions.

    As far at the brain-drain goes, I don’t agree with that. There are 1.4 billion Chinamen/women. You could drain enough brains to fill 20 Cal Techs, and it won’t make a dent in the total amount of decent brain mass.

  175. @ThreeCranes
    This gets back to the problem of essences.

    What constitutes Harvard?

    Is Harvard just a place where the brightest scholars gather?

    If Harvard were all Chinese, would it still be Harvard?

    Medievalists, following Plato, tried to draw a distinction between what was the essence of something and what was merely an accidental attribute. So, for example, a coat could be blue or red, long or short, cotton or nylon and still be recognized as a coat. The question then arose, if those qualities were mere accidents and therefore not essential to the coatness of a coat, then could one strip them away and get down to the essence of coatness? Obviously, if one were to strip away all the attributes, there would be nothing left and the question devolves into an absurdity.

    Today we are told by some that one can substitute Jewish, Chinese, Indian, Black, Hispanic et al. ethnicities and their attendant customs, religious and cosmological beliefs for the original Protestant and that in doing so one alters merely accidental qualities of the institution, sort of like dyeing a coat.

    And those who disagree argue that Harvard is a uniquely New England, Protestant institution and further, that Harvard could not have arisen anywhere else and have been what it is. They would say that Harvard is the product of a peculiar genius, definition : "late 14c., "tutelary or moral spirit" who guides and governs an individual through life, from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation; wit, talent;" also "prophetic skill; the male spirit of a gens," originally "generative power" (or "inborn nature")"....Online Etymology Dictionary

    They would argue that an all Chinese Harvard may just as well be called Peking University, Cambridge Campus.

    Does anyone seriously believe that a Harvard without white Europeans will still be Harvard?

    Even with the ideas taken from the Greeks, that was a helluva post, 3 Cranes. In answer to the last sentence, some do, but they are wrong.

  176. @Do the right thing
    I think it's time for Harvard to do right by the most oppressed group in history and admit 100% blacks. Harvard grads are considered best and brightest by virtue of having gone to Harvard, so why not just maximize such opportunity for blacks, turn as many of them as possible into Harvard grads? It'll also be good for the blacks since they don't have to compete with the Asian grinds and whites who still enjoy white privilege no matter how many get admitted. Black graduation rate will shoot up!

    C'mon Harvard(and Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, rest of the Ivies), stop pussy footing with this diversity claptrap, it's time to get straight to the point, admit 100% blacks until black income equals that of whites. I'm sure no one will dare complaining, since anyone who does will immediately be labeled a racist and in this wonderful multicultural world we live in, that's worse than being called a murderer.

    Your comment is one of the best in the sarcazm/parody class. I misspelled sarcasm!

    • Replies: @Do the right thing
    But I am actually totally serious, LOL. It really is the best solution for all.
  177. @anonymous
    Your son shouldn't be required to disclose his race in the first place!! THAT----is part of the problem! If his grades and college scores are acceptable and if you can afford the tuition then that's all that should count. On the other hand, this is apparently too much to ask of a higher education bureaucracy that is fixated on squaring the circle.

    Your son shouldn’t be required to disclose his race in the first place!! THAT—-is part of the problem!

    That is the real answer, but not even close to what most people think anymore since the Overton window has been slammed leftward (or toward statism, to be more precise).

    However, in the current real world, in answer to Chris J, just put him down as Native American. If it ever came down to the U. wanting their scholarship money back, once they noticed that, your boy, on his weekend drinking nights, instead of dancing with wolves, was more often praying to the porcelain goddess, just tell them “Native American” means born in the USA. There’s no argument to that, and maybe they should pick another PC euphemism next time that doesn’t have a mile-wide loophole build in.

  178. @Clark Westwood
    Why don't more Asians vote Republican? Or am I misinformed about how they tend to vote?

    I think around 30% consistently vote Republican—which is impressive given that Asians by and large are a very recently arrived immigrant group that lives almost exclusively in a few ultra progressive coastal cities.

    And anyway, I don’t think voting preference is nearly as important as other revealed preferences, and Asians (especially East Asians) tend to live like Republicans even if they don’t vote like them. And that’s more important. I’m familiar with a handful of L.A. area towns that are at or over 50% Asian (Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights, Hacienda Heights). All are perfectly livable suburbs with good schools. I’d be happy to live in any of them.

    We live in a global, hyper-connected world. The 1950s aint coming back. Looking at Europe, I don’t think I can muster even the tiniest protest against a growing Asian population. I mean, take all the ethnic groups in the world, now make a list of which ones you’d want moving into your city (cuz you gotta choose): Chinese, Koreans, Indians, etc. would be at the top of any sane person’s list. Yeah, it sucks that local whites can’t compete with all the money the Asian families are pouring into property markets, but that’s a far more tractable problem than living with a few million unskilled young males susceptible to sudden jihad syndrome.

  179. @Achmed E. Newman

    Much of the latter half of the 20th-century was a Mao-and communist-led attack of incredible savagery against the intelligensia class of China. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as what Pol Pot did in Cambodia, where they’d kill you if you wore a pair of glasses, but it was still extremely bad. Scholars educated in the traditional Confucian classics were forceably reeducated or killed. The new generation of non-Confucian scholars were regarded with tremendous suspicion for having ideas that were too Western, and China unleashed a wave of violence against its intelligensia in the Cultural Revolution in which scholars were jailed, beaten, brainwashed, kicked out of the jobs, etc.
     
    I've done a lot of reading about the "Cultural Revolution". You are right, and those were sick, sick times, but the way things look on American campuses today is almost as sick, but without the coercive power from the top (had the beast been elected, it would be near in coming!) It is also amazing to think that during those same years in China, in America, we had this huge 1/2-world-sized economy, hippies cruising around following The Dead, 1/2 a million troops fighting a war 1/2 the world away... etc. What a difference a good economy makes! Think about this when you see the eviscerated state of American manufacturing and how much of America the Chinese can flat-out buy up.

    BTW Chairman Mao's "Mow Down 10 Million Flowers" program from only 6-8 years earlier was even worse on the population physically (i.e. starvation and destitution).

    What a lot of people in the US don’t understand is that many of the students being sent to the US for education right now come from these intelligensia-class grandparents who want their grandkids to leave China forever.
     
    That has definitely been the case, but I think that is changing for some of the Chinese. Indeed, many want to get their ill-begotten cash out of China, and that is a big part of the cause of housing bubble 2.0 on the west coast (Vancouver, BC, too, till a big tax on sales to foreign buyers) and any other university towns. Also, sending a kid to college in America is a toe-hold for green-cards for the whole family - this may be changing, yeah!

    However, again, the reputation is higher than reality, and maybe soon some of the campuses will look more American again, but I don't make those kind of predictions.

    As far at the brain-drain goes, I don't agree with that. There are 1.4 billion Chinamen/women. You could drain enough brains to fill 20 Cal Techs, and it won't make a dent in the total amount of decent brain mass.
  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sammler
    That's not proven. It's at least plausible to think a culture of more prepping and more cheating, rather than genetic differences, is the distinguishing factor.

    It’s also plausible then, that the achievements of whites over blacks and Hispanics is at least partly due to more test prep and cheating.

    The unfair test prepping meme sounds more like desperate excuse making than anything backed up by science.

    Blacks play more basketball and work out more than whites or Asians.

    Does that mean the wicked blacks are gaming the system by playing more basketball than other races?

  181. We live in a global, hyper-connected world. The 1950s aint coming back. Looking at Europe, I don’t think I can muster even the tiniest protest against a growing Asian population.

    Related to an earlier thread: I’m taking a guess you’re a Boomer. If not, early Gen X?

    And yes, we could have the 1950’s demographics back if we wanted to. We would have to get our hands dirty and unwelcome some groups, particularly post 1964 immigrants.

    For clarity, I’m not advocating that as a solution. I’m saying that to declare creating a white majority impossible is about hiding a lack of will under some niceties, not that’s actually impossible.

    Japan manages just fine in this global, hyper-connected world with some continuity in their population.

    Yeah, it sucks that local whites can’t compete with all the money the Asian families are pouring into property markets, but that’s a far more tractable problem

    Or we could stop foreigners from buying our properties and have restrictions on it, just like Mexico. We could say, no matter how nice they seem, they have home in Asia and this ours.

    It is frustrating to have people treat policy decisions like weather, while imagining we can control the weather.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too, but at a loss of comparative advantage that takes it inadvisable in the modern world. Japan is a terrible example: Japan has welcomed professional and academic immigration both from China and Korea, and is not nearly as isolationist as many Unz commentators think. What Japan has not welcomed are economic migrants, which as it turns out, are the majority of immigrants - but Japan has an accelerated program to accommodate PhDs and medical doctors seeking to gain permenant residence in Japan, for example. You can not only bring your family but your "household workers."

    Even so, Japan suffers terribly from dealing with the juggernaught of China and under no conditions could be considered as a competitive model in the world: quite literally they are just being squeezed to death between the US and China.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world. The world has changed, like gunpowder being introduced. Different strategies must be employed. Imagining that you can magically go back to the 1950s is asinine.

    Every single example of an immigration resistant nation is one that can make realistic compromises to exist in the real world. The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality.

  182. @hyperbola
    Who would want to attend a university that has become as corrupt as Harvard? Probably only those who think that contacting the sect is their ticket to their future. This apparently would NOT include white christians?

    Jews sans frontieres: Alan Dershowitz: plagiarist, liar and racist
    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com.es/2006/05/alan-dershowitz-plagiarist-liar-and.html

    Land Destroyer: Big Oil’s Tree Huggers
    Harvard’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.es/2011/02/big-oils-tree-huggers.html
    …. Belfer Center is a mixed bag of self-serving corporate agendas. As an international think-tank located within one of America’s most “prestigious” universities, it turns out to be nothing more than a den of deception and intellectual dishonesty, as we’ll see as we peel back the cheap veneer of legitimacy. Named after Robert Belfer of the Belco Petroleum Corporation and later, director of the failed Enron Corporation, the Belfer Center describes itself as being “the hub of the Harvard Kennedy School’s research, teaching, and training in international security affairs, environmental and resource issues, and science and technology policy.” Robert Belfer still sits in as an International Council Member, begging one to wonder what sort of “research” is going on within the halls of a center named after a man synonymous with big oil and big fraud…..

    Russia – the biggest robbery of the twentieth century
    https://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?t=20332

    Harvard Mafia, Andrei Shleifer and the Economic Rape of Russia
    http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml

    Harvard’s ‘Best and Brightest’ Aided Russia’s Economic Ruin
    http://fair.org/extra/harvards-best-and-brightest-aided-russias-economic-ruin/

    Why Larry Summers lost the presidency of Harvard | mathbabe
    https://mathbabe.org/2012/03/11/why-larry-summers-lost-the-presidency-of-harvard/
    Some people still think Larry Summers got fired from being the president of Harvard because of the ridiculous comments he made about women in math (see my post about this here) or because of the comments he made about Cornel West. Actually, the truth is something worse, and for which he should actually be in jail. It’s also something that makes Harvard look bad, so maybe that’s why it’s less known. The subtitle of this post is: Why Larry Summers shouldn’t be made head of the World Bank. Let’s set the record straight: Summers was directly involved with defrauding the U.S. Government (see below) and Russia….

    HARVARD STUDENTS DEMAND ANSWERS IN ONGOING CHILEAN INVESTMENT SCANDAL
    https://responsibleharvard.com/2013/05/08/media-advisory-harvard-students-demand-answers-in-ongoing-chilean-investment-scandal/

    How Ikea And Harvard Got Tangled In A Corrupt Romanian Land Deal
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harvard-ikea-corruption-romania_us_56d86cbbe4b0000de4039509

    Warren, Obama, and Harvard’s Culture of Corruption
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/05/warren_obama_and_harvards_culture_of_corruption.html

    Larry Tribe, Larry Summers, And Elena Kagan: Because Of The Larry Tribe Affair, It Is Time For Larry Summers To Go
    http://velvelonnationalaffairs.blogspot.com.es/2005/04/re-larry-tribe-larry-summers-and-elena_22.html

    Just how corrupt is the Harvard Economics Department, anyway?
    Until economists share data and replicate results, they should probably keep quiet about policy.
    http://www.newappsblog.com/2013/04/until-economists-share-data-and-replicate-results-they-should-probably-keep-quiet-about-policy.html

    Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/01/15/drug-companies-doctorsa-story-of-corruption/
    …. Take the case of Dr. Joseph L. Biederman, professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and chief of pediatric psychopharmacology at Harvard’s Massachusetts General Hospital. Thanks largely to him, children as young as two years old are now being diagnosed with bipolar disorder and treated with a cocktail of powerful drugs, many of which were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for that purpose. In June, Senator Grassley revealed that drug companies, including those that make drugs he advocates for childhood bipolar disorder, had paid Biederman $1.6 million in consulting and speaking fees between 2000 and 2007….

    Joseph Biederman is Still at Harvard
    http://archives.sethroberts.net/blog/2014/01/11/joseph-biederman-is-still-at-harvard/
    … For which Biederman received a slap on the wrist from Harvard.

    Justina Pelletier and Boston Children’s Hospital
    http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2014/03/06/justina-pelletier-and-boston-childrens-hospital/
    David R. DeMaso, MD, is the head of psychiatry at BCH. He is also a professor at Harvard, and is a member of Harvard’s Psychiatry Department Executive Committee…. There is also a “connections” page on Harvard Catalyst, listing three publications co-authored by Dr. DeMaso and Dr. Biederman….

    Elena Kagan: Jewish Ethnic Networking Eases the Path of a Liberal/Leftist to the Supreme Court
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Kagan.html
    … her writing is not voluminous at all. In her entire career at the University of Chicago and Harvard — the very apex of elite academic institutions — she has written a grand total of 9 articles. Actually, her scholarly output is even less than that because two of these publications are book reviews and one is a tribute to Thurgood Marshall. When she received tenure at the University of Chicago in 1995, she had exactly two scholarly articles published in law journals — a record that would ordinarily not get her tenure even at quite a few third tier universities much less an elite institution like the University of Chicago. But on the basis of this record and later work in the Clinton Administration, in 2003 she became the dean of Harvard Law School,….

    Thanks for this devastating take down with corroborating links.

  183. @Anon
    There seems to be Aggressive or Dominant Diversity and Passive or Submissive Diversity(or maybe Recessive Diversity). And it has a lot to do with group-personality.

    Jews have pushy chutzpah.
    Homos have flaming p**pchutespah.
    Blacks have brash hoopshootzpah.

    Asians tend to be of recessive diversity, and as such, become servitors of others.
    In diverse environment, they defer to Others and conform to Prevailing Narrative.

    This is difference between Jews and Asians.

    When Jews came to the US, they didn't just follow Wasp Narrative. They challenged it and overturned it.
    In contrast, Asians just follow and serve the Dominant Narrative and Big Identity. Like the 'seoul brother 1 &2'.

    And consider that kid who wrote BLM 100x, one of the most shameless displays of asskissing to get IN. (But hey, it worked. Savvy kid. He understood Asian identity itself doesn't matter much. Recessive Diversity must latch onto cooler Dominant Diversity... like the GOP that writes ISRAELI LIVES MATTER a million times to get more donations from likes of Adelson.)

    I never seen blacks show any interest for other people in diversity. At Yale, they just scream Black Lives Matter and at Duke, they shut down library. They are only into themselves. It's like black women think they are the most beautiful woman, and Michelle Obama thinks she's so smart.
    Blacks have Dominant Diversity gene. They expect others to show interest in them, not other way around. Others must understand blacks and serve blacks and agree with blacks.

    Jews are much the same way though capable of greater introspection(when they make an effort). But combination of paranoia and addiction to power have made so many Jews closed-minded, like their current reaction to Trump.

    As for homos... and tranniess... sheesh, they are so deluded that the demand all of humanity to get on their knees and worship what homos do. And when some tranny with beard and dress walks outside, he wants people to look at him as 'her' and praise him/her/it to high heaven.

    So, 'diversity' is really about recessive diversity serving dominant diversity.

    Jews have pushy chutzpah.
    Homos have flaming p**pchutespah.
    Blacks have brash hoopshootzpah.

    That’s poetry. 🙂

  184. @academic gossip
    Donations are (part of) one path to admission but there is no indication that this path is differently priced for Jews, Gentiles, and Asians.

    By the way, if this Harvard site is a representative sample, the white and Jewish enrollment is very much part-Asian. Looks like something from Australia. "Traditional" gentile European stock may be a rare thing there these days.

    http://www.harvard2016.com/about/
    http://www.harvard2016.com/humansofharvard/

    harvard2016.com/about
    harvard2016.com/humansofharvard

    Uggos, uggos, everywhere !!!

    Human has fast become a pejorative.

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    Hahahaha
  185. @academic gossip

    [Espenshade estimated] Asians are 140 points (out of 1600 on a two-part SAT or roughly 0.7 standard deviations) worse off than whites,
     
    Bad statistics from Professor Espenshade. He overestimated by a large factor, like 3 or 10, regardless of whether what he measured is accidental correlation or discriminatory causation (or a combination of both).

    If you throw a kitchen sink full of academic variables into the regression analysis, the effect of any one of them such as SAT is diluted when holding the others constant. When the power of SAT is cut by a factor of 5, you need 5 times more SAT points to be equivalent to whatever admissions effect correlates with being Asian.

    Average SAT scores for whites and Asians at schools like Harvard are nothing like 140 points apart. More like 14 or 40. This is well within the range of what would happen as the Test Prep Gap is nullified by teacher recommendations.

    Correct. Whites at Harvard and other Ivies do not average 140 points lower than Asians in SAT. Harvard actually surveys its freshman class and publishes the results online. Average Asian SAT score is about 70 points higher than white, on the 2400 point scale. So only about 50 point difference on the 1600 scale.

    The main reason whites average slightly lower SAT at these schools is legacy and athlete preferences, which mostly help white students. Not many Asian lacrosse players or swimmers.

    There has been no definitive study showing that all else being equal, whites are favored over Asians. None. Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian. Asians are vastly overrepresented at Harvard and other Ivies and have really no legitimate complaint.

    • Replies: @academic gossip

    Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian.
     
    Data with and without athletes were published by Yale.

    *5* point difference for nonathletes in 2001.

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/#_ednref51

    32 - 40 points, including the athletes, in 1999-2003:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090419202459/http://www.yale.edu/ncaa-certification/aintegrity.pdf (table on page 44 near the end)

    Hence the "14 or 40" comment. 14 without the athletes, 40 including athletes, are much more realistic than the ridiculous 140 figure stated by Espenshade. And that's without further subtractions from alumni children, donors, geography (easier to get in from white Montana than diverse California), and probably other factors.
    , @gregor
    But is average score of accepted candidates really the right metric?

    Looking at the College Board's data, Asians SAT scores are really high and they are dramatically over-represented in the right tail. Consider that on the math section, an 800 is only 95th for Asians. There are 4x as many White test-takers as Asian, but you would actually have more Asians than Whites in the far right tail. (Back of the envelope, perhaps 2 to 1 at the 1500 plus range?) Yet there are double the number of Whites at Harvard. Even if the gap for admitted candidates is *only* 50 points, that doesn't erase the discrepancy in the populations you're drawing from and you aren't drawing from the same ranges of the respective distributions for each group.

    On the other hand, Krastos the Gluemaker has an interesting post upthread that points out that on the margin you might get a very different picture. That is, if white males are capped at 25% of the class and a lot of those slots get hogged by legacies, athletes, donor purchased admissions, etc., a white male vying for one of the residuals spots might face very tough odds (while the average white entrance metrics are reduced). This seems plausible given that the alumni are pretty white and, as Steve has reported, big donors are disproportionately white frat bros, but it'd be nice to have the data to verify all this empirically.

  186. And if there is some small but real “discrimination” factor against Asians, I’d say this is proper. These are universities developed by European Americans. Asians have their own, test score only schools, and if they like that system better they can stay in Asia for college. They’re already vastly overrepresented at Harvard.

    • Replies: @academic gossip

    Asians have their own, test score only schools,
     
    It's very unfortunate that no such schools exist any more in the USA. It's pretty common in Europe and saves a lot of headaches for smart people who are good at tests but less compliant with the paperwork requirements in high school.
  187. @Marty T
    Correct. Whites at Harvard and other Ivies do not average 140 points lower than Asians in SAT. Harvard actually surveys its freshman class and publishes the results online. Average Asian SAT score is about 70 points higher than white, on the 2400 point scale. So only about 50 point difference on the 1600 scale.

    The main reason whites average slightly lower SAT at these schools is legacy and athlete preferences, which mostly help white students. Not many Asian lacrosse players or swimmers.

    There has been no definitive study showing that all else being equal, whites are favored over Asians. None. Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian. Asians are vastly overrepresented at Harvard and other Ivies and have really no legitimate complaint.

    Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian.

    Data with and without athletes were published by Yale.

    *5* point difference for nonathletes in 2001.

    https://sites.google.com/site/nuritbaytch/#_ednref51

    32 – 40 points, including the athletes, in 1999-2003:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090419202459/http://www.yale.edu/ncaa-certification/aintegrity.pdf (table on page 44 near the end)

    Hence the “14 or 40” comment. 14 without the athletes, 40 including athletes, are much more realistic than the ridiculous 140 figure stated by Espenshade. And that’s without further subtractions from alumni children, donors, geography (easier to get in from white Montana than diverse California), and probably other factors.

  188. @Marty T
    And if there is some small but real "discrimination" factor against Asians, I'd say this is proper. These are universities developed by European Americans. Asians have their own, test score only schools, and if they like that system better they can stay in Asia for college. They're already vastly overrepresented at Harvard.

    Asians have their own, test score only schools,

    It’s very unfortunate that no such schools exist any more in the USA. It’s pretty common in Europe and saves a lot of headaches for smart people who are good at tests but less compliant with the paperwork requirements in high school.

  189. @International Jew

    If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,”...
    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now.
     
    Already happened. Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton's junior class (kind of a "pre-valedictorian"). As you may recall, Sotomayor has said (bragged) that she arrived at Princeton so underprepared she set out to improve her English by reading children's books. So we're to believe that in two years she vaulted intellectually right over all of her classmates?

    She actually co-won the Pyne Prize. Her co-winner was the economist David Germany.

    Sonia Sotomayor was culturally ignorant when she arrived at Princeton so she read children’s literature like Alice in Wonderland in order to catch up.

    Since the elder George Bush was in an accelerated program for WWII vets, he graduated from Yale with a degree in economics in only two and a half years. He became a member of Phi Beta Kappa despite having a wife and child, being a cheerleader and baseball player, playing in two College World Series, and being a member of Skull and Bones. His academic records have been sealed and rightly so.

    By the time of his 1948 graduation, he had been elected to Phi Beta Kappa, an honor traditionally associated with academic achievement. A great deal is known about George Bush’s career at Yale, except the part about books and studies. Unfortunately for those who would wish to consider his intellectual accomplishment, everything about that has been sealed shut and is top secret. The Yale administration says they have turned over to the FBI custody of all of Bush’s academic records, allegedly because the FBI needs such access to check the resume of important office holders.

    https://www.prisonplanet.com/the_racist_nightmare.html

  190. @AM

    Yes, I have noticed Catholic high schools actually having contingents of emissaries, so to speak, travel to China to recruit students.
     
    Not shocked in the least. Given how likely it is for any native Catholic student to remain in the faith after graduation, it's time for the those institutions to collapse anyway.

    If a young person has better chance of good education, including in the faith, outside of such schools, they're alive beyond their expiration date anyway.

    Yep, AM, homeschooling beats even a good private school on teaching of faith, on cost by at least an order of magnitude, on material learned by double, on hours wasted in school by 1/2, and on thinking for oneself by . This is why homeschooling scares the living shit out of the elites (just ask ’em).

  191. @europeasant
    Your comment is one of the best in the sarcazm/parody class. I misspelled sarcasm!

    But I am actually totally serious, LOL. It really is the best solution for all.

  192. @Sammler
    We're not going to get there until employers can test what you've learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.

    As long as disparate-impact doctrine remains in force, the universities' position is unassailable. Employers have no choice but to outsource applicant evaluation.

    This is an order of magnitude more important than the affirmative action debate.

    Sammler wrote to me:

    We’re not going to get there until employers can test what you’ve learned. Which is presently de facto illegal, because of the near certainty that rigorous testing will have racial disparities in its effects.

    Indeed — that’s why I hedged with the word “perhaps.”

    On the other hands, why don’t businesses simply ask for applicants’ SAT or ACT scores? Would that violate Griggs v. Duke Power?

    I’ve noticed that at elite schools it is not considered cool to talk about your SAT/ACT scores. Perhaps those who did get in believe that they transcend mere quantitative measures such as standardized test scores and are in fact qualitatively superior human beings? So, to ask job applicants for test scores would betray the culture to which they have given their loyalty?

    In any case, change happens. Eventually, all this will be different. But not yet, alas.

    Dave

  193. @Charles Pewitt
    California has 39.2 million people in it. New Hampshire has 1.3 million people. There are millions of White Core Americans in California without any political representation. That can't go on much longer.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control. Choice land and property on the California coast will be their reward. We are heading for a constitutional crisis that will destroy the anti-White totalitarianism currently in power.

    When Civil War II breaks out, the White Core Americans trapped in California will make an effective fighting force to re-assert White political control.

    The White Core Americans in California are the ones who created this situation. They’re the ones who wanted feminism, the homosexual agenda, transgender bathroom rights and diversity. They ain’t gonna fight for White political control. They ain’t gonna fight for anything.

    The idea that Whites are going to band together to fight this insanity is ludicrous wishful thinking. You have to accept that most Whites are in the enemy camp.

  194. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Any reference to Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot that doesn't mention the role of central banking in creating Harvard's ill-gotten gains is misleading to say the least. Raise the federal funds rate to 10 percent and Harvard's 30 or 40 billion dollar pile of loot would vanish without a trace.

    Harvard must be destroyed, and the easiest way for patriotic Americans to destroy Harvard would be to 1) implode all the various asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate that puff up Harvard's pile of loot and 2) tax the hell out of any loot crumbs that remain after the asset bubbles are gone.

    HARVARD HATES AMERICA

    THE IVY LEAGUE MUST BE DESTROYED

    I have sympathy for this view. I am a Yale graduate, and I am filled with disdain and contempt for the place. I hated it, and rightfully so. But one problem is that places like Harvard and Yale have libraries (and more) that contain many of the cultural resources of our civilization. Perhaps they do not contain so much as the libraries of Europe (and yet Europe is even worse off…) It is tempting to say that today all of Western civilization is available on the internet, but this is not entirely correct. It may turn out that Western civilization must be reconstructed from its online remnants, but this is not what anyone should hope for.

  195. @eah
    But ala Richard Spencer I do not feel sorry for these Asian-Americans Asians -- I agree they are being treated unfairly, but I have no sympathy for them -- instead I feel sorry for white kids -- especially eg in CA, where the over-representation of Asians at UC is shocking.

    https://twitter.com/Brannon1776/status/862875649362546693
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/porter14159/status/893348116082163712
  196. @Thea
    they tried in Texas and lost due to who/whom

    Thanks, nice to hear they tried, failure predictable, I suppose.

    You may be more careful about using who, whom, it does not really fit what you are saying, although I am to understanding your intention in it.

    • Replies: @Thea
    Ok Thanks. It won't be the first time I've misused a term.
  197. @Lot
    Long professional school education for women funded by 200,000+ student loans is also very dysgenic.

    Aye, the problem of advanced civilization

    Strikingly, a multiple Ivy League educated doctor whom I am aware of. Once, she was Ivy League educated in her twenties; now, she is in her thirties with no children and no husband (but plenty of degrees)

  198. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    harvard2016.com/about
    harvard2016.com/humansofharvard
     
    Uggos, uggos, everywhere !!!

    Human has fast become a pejorative.

    Hahahaha

  199. @bomag

    zero evidence... are held to higher numerical admission standards...
     
    He was probably comparing to the NAM cohort.

    Even so, there seems to be something not captured by the numbers. Countries; states; towns; businesses; departments; and bowling leagues populated and run by non-Jewish whites seem to have a desirability that is hard to quantify in the face of the metrics passed around in these debates.

    My Harvard interviewer wistfully suggested I beach bum on a California beach.. playing volleyball. She assured that my chance would be high then

    Indeed, Boomer indulgence, of better times. But a fine plan, another life, as opposed to this mess we are in

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    Not that i am volunteering. She's a 7 at best
    But a damned pity. Hope she has a good life
  200. @Che Guava
    Thanks, nice to hear they tried, failure predictable, I suppose.

    You may be more careful about using who, whom, it does not really fit what you are saying, although I am to understanding your intention in it.

    Ok Thanks. It won’t be the first time I’ve misused a term.

  201. @Pat Boyle
    I live in Oakland and go to Kaiser Permanente Medical. If you look at the website you will see many beaming black faces. All the upper management is black. But there do not seem to be any black physicians. All the doctors are East Asians - Koreans, Chinese or Japanese.

    I'm quite happy with the level of care available from the Oriental staff. If there were a black doctor and I was sent to him, I would protest. Health is too important to indulge in political correctness.

    Funny how my girlfriend’s urban hospital employs dozens of black nurses and ONE black doctor that she’s ever seen. And he’s in the morgue.

    She also says that black patients tend to demand white doctors.

  202. @Marty T
    Correct. Whites at Harvard and other Ivies do not average 140 points lower than Asians in SAT. Harvard actually surveys its freshman class and publishes the results online. Average Asian SAT score is about 70 points higher than white, on the 2400 point scale. So only about 50 point difference on the 1600 scale.

    The main reason whites average slightly lower SAT at these schools is legacy and athlete preferences, which mostly help white students. Not many Asian lacrosse players or swimmers.

    There has been no definitive study showing that all else being equal, whites are favored over Asians. None. Even with legacy and athlete preferences, average white SAT at Harvard is only 50 points lower than Asian. Asians are vastly overrepresented at Harvard and other Ivies and have really no legitimate complaint.

    But is average score of accepted candidates really the right metric?

    Looking at the College Board’s data, Asians SAT scores are really high and they are dramatically over-represented in the right tail. Consider that on the math section, an 800 is only 95th for Asians. There are 4x as many White test-takers as Asian, but you would actually have more Asians than Whites in the far right tail. (Back of the envelope, perhaps 2 to 1 at the 1500 plus range?) Yet there are double the number of Whites at Harvard. Even if the gap for admitted candidates is *only* 50 points, that doesn’t erase the discrepancy in the populations you’re drawing from and you aren’t drawing from the same ranges of the respective distributions for each group.

    On the other hand, Krastos the Gluemaker has an interesting post upthread that points out that on the margin you might get a very different picture. That is, if white males are capped at 25% of the class and a lot of those slots get hogged by legacies, athletes, donor purchased admissions, etc., a white male vying for one of the residuals spots might face very tough odds (while the average white entrance metrics are reduced). This seems plausible given that the alumni are pretty white and, as Steve has reported, big donors are disproportionately white frat bros, but it’d be nice to have the data to verify all this empirically.

    • Replies: @academic gossip

    Even if the gap for admitted candidates is *only* 50 points,

     

    The Asian/white gap (in average SAT) is lower than 50 points and a lot lower when you start controlling for relevant factors. The raw difference was 32-40 points for the three disclosed years at Yale, and less than half that for nonathletes. In one of the years the non-athlete difference was 5 points of SAT, out of 1600.

    This can be decisive when considering your point about the distributions:


    that doesn’t erase the discrepancy in the populations you’re drawing from and you aren’t drawing from the same ranges of the respective distributions for each group.
     
    Taking into account the difference in distributions would in effect reduce the 40 or 14 or 5 point raw difference in SAT scores, so it would work against the Espenshade/Unz idea of Asians suffering discrimination.

    Think of two normal distributions (say IQ) with same standard deviation but different mean. For example, imagine that Asians have average IQ 108 and whites 100, both distributions with SD=16. Now "Nerd University" decides to admit everyone with an IQ above 132, two standard deviations above the mean. Then Asians eligible for admission would, on average, have a 3-4 point higher IQ than eligible whites even though the admission to Nerd University does not consider race.

    Starting from different distributions means that some of the population differences must survive the admission selection, no matter how objective.

  203. @International Jew

    If you look at the names of the “junior Phi Beta Kappa,”...
    Funny how no one counts up the Racial Diversity numbers on those! For now.
     
    Already happened. Back in 1974, now Supreme Court Justice Sandra Sotomayor won the Pyne Prize, traditionally given to the best student in Princeton's junior class (kind of a "pre-valedictorian"). As you may recall, Sotomayor has said (bragged) that she arrived at Princeton so underprepared she set out to improve her English by reading children's books. So we're to believe that in two years she vaulted intellectually right over all of her classmates?

    She actually co-won the Pyne Prize. Her co-winner was the economist David Germany.

    RE: Sotomayor’s struggles with English,

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor said in a 1996 speech at Princeton University’s Third World Center (now called the Carl A. Fields Center) that when she arrived at Princeton in 1972 as her high school’s valedictorian, “I found out that my Latina background had created difficulties in my writing that I needed to overcome. For example, in Spanish we do not have adjectives. A noun is described with a preposition…. My writing was stilted and overly complicated, my grammar and vocabulary skills weak.”

    You know, I don’t even speak Spanish, but….

    libro rojo

    red book

    pluma roja

    red pen

    libros rojos

    red books

    plumas rojas

    red pens

    Maybe Sonia is semi-literate in two languages?

    • Replies: @bomag
    The few opinions of her's I've encountered strike me as totally written by her clerks, with herself inserting a few pop culture references.
  204. @eah
    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/893746000065683457
    • Replies: @eah
    https://twitter.com/WesternIdentity/status/893849904031961088
  205. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AM

    We live in a global, hyper-connected world. The 1950s aint coming back. Looking at Europe, I don’t think I can muster even the tiniest protest against a growing Asian population.
     
    Related to an earlier thread: I'm taking a guess you're a Boomer. If not, early Gen X?

    And yes, we could have the 1950's demographics back if we wanted to. We would have to get our hands dirty and unwelcome some groups, particularly post 1964 immigrants.

    For clarity, I'm not advocating that as a solution. I'm saying that to declare creating a white majority impossible is about hiding a lack of will under some niceties, not that's actually impossible.

    Japan manages just fine in this global, hyper-connected world with some continuity in their population.


    Yeah, it sucks that local whites can’t compete with all the money the Asian families are pouring into property markets, but that’s a far more tractable problem
     
    Or we could stop foreigners from buying our properties and have restrictions on it, just like Mexico. We could say, no matter how nice they seem, they have home in Asia and this ours.

    It is frustrating to have people treat policy decisions like weather, while imagining we can control the weather.

    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too, but at a loss of comparative advantage that takes it inadvisable in the modern world. Japan is a terrible example: Japan has welcomed professional and academic immigration both from China and Korea, and is not nearly as isolationist as many Unz commentators think. What Japan has not welcomed are economic migrants, which as it turns out, are the majority of immigrants – but Japan has an accelerated program to accommodate PhDs and medical doctors seeking to gain permenant residence in Japan, for example. You can not only bring your family but your “household workers.”

    Even so, Japan suffers terribly from dealing with the juggernaught of China and under no conditions could be considered as a competitive model in the world: quite literally they are just being squeezed to death between the US and China.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world. The world has changed, like gunpowder being introduced. Different strategies must be employed. Imagining that you can magically go back to the 1950s is asinine.

    Every single example of an immigration resistant nation is one that can make realistic compromises to exist in the real world. The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality.

    • Replies: @AM

    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too
     
    A multicultural/multiracial society is not a technological advance. It leads to heartache (at best) wherever it's popped up in earnest in history.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world.
     
    The policies of a nation should be realistically determined by her past, her resources, her current populations and her future needs. The rest of the world would be expecting nothing less and is doing the same thing.

    The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality
     
    .

    You're totally a Boomer. Yeah, we know - Civil Rights Movement you saw on TV, Martin Luther King, Jr. blah, blah. It's a great excuse to give away the cultural and national inheritance that belongs to your children and grandchildren to strangers. Plus it's a "technology" advance, just like answering machine that got upgraded to voice mail. It's all good, except for the Mexican rapists and the Islamic terrorists.

  206. @Ron Unz
    Well, here's a link to a lengthy comment I just left on the previous thread:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/whites-a-minority-in-2017-harvard-freshman-class/#comment-1955496

    And for those interested, here's a link to my exhaustive Meritocracy article from few years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    And a handy demographic enrollment tool for all 3000-odd colleges in America:

    https://www.unz.com/enrollments/?r&ID=186131&Institution=Princeton+University

    Your article was a revelation for me. I have it saved and post it in the Facebook comments of any Economist article that deals with University admissions (such as one they posted today).

  207. @Anonymous
    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too, but at a loss of comparative advantage that takes it inadvisable in the modern world. Japan is a terrible example: Japan has welcomed professional and academic immigration both from China and Korea, and is not nearly as isolationist as many Unz commentators think. What Japan has not welcomed are economic migrants, which as it turns out, are the majority of immigrants - but Japan has an accelerated program to accommodate PhDs and medical doctors seeking to gain permenant residence in Japan, for example. You can not only bring your family but your "household workers."

    Even so, Japan suffers terribly from dealing with the juggernaught of China and under no conditions could be considered as a competitive model in the world: quite literally they are just being squeezed to death between the US and China.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world. The world has changed, like gunpowder being introduced. Different strategies must be employed. Imagining that you can magically go back to the 1950s is asinine.

    Every single example of an immigration resistant nation is one that can make realistic compromises to exist in the real world. The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality.

    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too

    A multicultural/multiracial society is not a technological advance. It leads to heartache (at best) wherever it’s popped up in earnest in history.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world.

    The policies of a nation should be realistically determined by her past, her resources, her current populations and her future needs. The rest of the world would be expecting nothing less and is doing the same thing.

    The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality

    .

    You’re totally a Boomer. Yeah, we know – Civil Rights Movement you saw on TV, Martin Luther King, Jr. blah, blah. It’s a great excuse to give away the cultural and national inheritance that belongs to your children and grandchildren to strangers. Plus it’s a “technology” advance, just like answering machine that got upgraded to voice mail. It’s all good, except for the Mexican rapists and the Islamic terrorists.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is the result of a variety of technological advances which are for all practical purposes irreversible; your argument is akin to the notion of stating the the invention of gunpowder as resulted in a great degree of loss to a number of cultures and in destroying social order. Absolutely true, and yet its not something that can be avoided if a nation wishes to be competitive.

    Its like social media. I can agree with you completely that it can be a horrible thing, but its still with us and nothing is going to change it. That's the context of reality we live in, and which we have to work with.

    Using the same calculus of future needs involve competing against other nations, and that involves compromises. The Red Queen nature of reality should seem self-evident, and no amount of bellyaching will alter that. Saying that armored fish worked great in the Devonian period doesn't mean that they will continue to work great. If anything, look at the examples of nations that did indeed hold more restrictive immigration policies and you'll see that they do not participate in the extended insanity of alt-right nonsense.

    Its easy to get angry and emotional, which you clearly are, but it doesn't really provide any solutions.

  208. @Shitposter
    We don't want them here in Texas. We already have enough of them in Austin. Californians who come because California's a shithole and then vote for the same policies that made it that way.

    We should send them to Africa instead. Plenty of "diversity'' there. It'll leave everyone happier off. And possibly some of them might actually get red-pilled from living there. That's a big possibly, though.

    If the hard right not the left is fleeing the golden state, how do you explain the electorial lock on Colorado and Nevada and soon Arizona and Idaho?

  209. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AM

    Oh, please. And we could also go back to handwriting, too
     
    A multicultural/multiracial society is not a technological advance. It leads to heartache (at best) wherever it's popped up in earnest in history.

    The policies a nation can realistically are determined by the context in the world.
     
    The policies of a nation should be realistically determined by her past, her resources, her current populations and her future needs. The rest of the world would be expecting nothing less and is doing the same thing.

    The alt-right fantasy is one of religious fiction, not of reality
     
    .

    You're totally a Boomer. Yeah, we know - Civil Rights Movement you saw on TV, Martin Luther King, Jr. blah, blah. It's a great excuse to give away the cultural and national inheritance that belongs to your children and grandchildren to strangers. Plus it's a "technology" advance, just like answering machine that got upgraded to voice mail. It's all good, except for the Mexican rapists and the Islamic terrorists.

    It is the result of a variety of technological advances which are for all practical purposes irreversible; your argument is akin to the notion of stating the the invention of gunpowder as resulted in a great degree of loss to a number of cultures and in destroying social order. Absolutely true, and yet its not something that can be avoided if a nation wishes to be competitive.

    Its like social media. I can agree with you completely that it can be a horrible thing, but its still with us and nothing is going to change it. That’s the context of reality we live in, and which we have to work with.

    Using the same calculus of future needs involve competing against other nations, and that involves compromises. The Red Queen nature of reality should seem self-evident, and no amount of bellyaching will alter that. Saying that armored fish worked great in the Devonian period doesn’t mean that they will continue to work great. If anything, look at the examples of nations that did indeed hold more restrictive immigration policies and you’ll see that they do not participate in the extended insanity of alt-right nonsense.

    Its easy to get angry and emotional, which you clearly are, but it doesn’t really provide any solutions.

    • Replies: @bomag

    It is the result of a variety of technological advances which are for all practical purposes irreversible
     
    We're discussing public policy here. Gunpowder and machines are tools we use towards that end.

    We are pretty much facing the same issues and problems as the Romans, and not handling them much better.
  210. @gregor
    But is average score of accepted candidates really the right metric?

    Looking at the College Board's data, Asians SAT scores are really high and they are dramatically over-represented in the right tail. Consider that on the math section, an 800 is only 95th for Asians. There are 4x as many White test-takers as Asian, but you would actually have more Asians than Whites in the far right tail. (Back of the envelope, perhaps 2 to 1 at the 1500 plus range?) Yet there are double the number of Whites at Harvard. Even if the gap for admitted candidates is *only* 50 points, that doesn't erase the discrepancy in the populations you're drawing from and you aren't drawing from the same ranges of the respective distributions for each group.

    On the other hand, Krastos the Gluemaker has an interesting post upthread that points out that on the margin you might get a very different picture. That is, if white males are capped at 25% of the class and a lot of those slots get hogged by legacies, athletes, donor purchased admissions, etc., a white male vying for one of the residuals spots might face very tough odds (while the average white entrance metrics are reduced). This seems plausible given that the alumni are pretty white and, as Steve has reported, big donors are disproportionately white frat bros, but it'd be nice to have the data to verify all this empirically.

    Even if the gap for admitted candidates is *only* 50 points,

    The Asian/white gap (in average SAT) is lower than 50 points and a lot lower when you start controlling for relevant factors. The raw difference was 32-40 points for the three disclosed years at Yale, and less than half that for nonathletes. In one of the years the non-athlete difference was 5 points of SAT, out of 1600.

    This can be decisive when considering your point about the distributions:

    that doesn’t erase the discrepancy in the populations you’re drawing from and you aren’t drawing from the same ranges of the respective distributions for each group.

    Taking into account the difference in distributions would in effect reduce the 40 or 14 or 5 point raw difference in SAT scores, so it would work against the Espenshade/Unz idea of Asians suffering discrimination.

    Think of two normal distributions (say IQ) with same standard deviation but different mean. For example, imagine that Asians have average IQ 108 and whites 100, both distributions with SD=16. Now “Nerd University” decides to admit everyone with an IQ above 132, two standard deviations above the mean. Then Asians eligible for admission would, on average, have a 3-4 point higher IQ than eligible whites even though the admission to Nerd University does not consider race.

    Starting from different distributions means that some of the population differences must survive the admission selection, no matter how objective.

  211. @Carbon blob
    The voters did this in California. The UC system managed to re-implement racial preferences under the guise of 'holistic admissions'.

    The voters did this in California. The UC system managed to re-implement racial preferences under the guise of ‘holistic admissions’.

    For affirmative action minorities that’s true (if you mean things like adding essay questions to the application).

    For Asians, there was never a “negative preference” against them at the UC, and holistic admission can’t really help or hurt them much compared to whites.

  212. @syonredux
    RE: Sotomayor’s struggles with English,

    Judge Sonia Sotomayor said in a 1996 speech at Princeton University’s Third World Center (now called the Carl A. Fields Center) that when she arrived at Princeton in 1972 as her high school’s valedictorian, “I found out that my Latina background had created difficulties in my writing that I needed to overcome. For example, in Spanish we do not have adjectives. A noun is described with a preposition…. My writing was stilted and overly complicated, my grammar and vocabulary skills weak.”
     
    You know, I don’t even speak Spanish, but….

    libro rojo

    red book

    pluma roja

    red pen

    libros rojos

    red books

    plumas rojas

    red pens

    Maybe Sonia is semi-literate in two languages?

    The few opinions of her’s I’ve encountered strike me as totally written by her clerks, with herself inserting a few pop culture references.

  213. @Anonymous
    It is the result of a variety of technological advances which are for all practical purposes irreversible; your argument is akin to the notion of stating the the invention of gunpowder as resulted in a great degree of loss to a number of cultures and in destroying social order. Absolutely true, and yet its not something that can be avoided if a nation wishes to be competitive.

    Its like social media. I can agree with you completely that it can be a horrible thing, but its still with us and nothing is going to change it. That's the context of reality we live in, and which we have to work with.

    Using the same calculus of future needs involve competing against other nations, and that involves compromises. The Red Queen nature of reality should seem self-evident, and no amount of bellyaching will alter that. Saying that armored fish worked great in the Devonian period doesn't mean that they will continue to work great. If anything, look at the examples of nations that did indeed hold more restrictive immigration policies and you'll see that they do not participate in the extended insanity of alt-right nonsense.

    Its easy to get angry and emotional, which you clearly are, but it doesn't really provide any solutions.

    It is the result of a variety of technological advances which are for all practical purposes irreversible

    We’re discussing public policy here. Gunpowder and machines are tools we use towards that end.

    We are pretty much facing the same issues and problems as the Romans, and not handling them much better.

  214. @eah
    OT

    Sen. John McCain aims to revive immigration reform when he returns to Congress

    There is an accompanying video -- at the outset, McCain is asked a question about Trump's proposal to limit/reduce legal immigration -- in the first sentence of his answer McCain mentions lettuce.
  215. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You are not thinking it through deeply enough and believe that technology is merely a tool, by which it can be guided to various ends. This is not true. This is where Kaczynski’s manifesto was terrifyingly true and applicable.

    Let’s assume that we lived in a world where someone invented a brain implant which would immediately make the person more efficient at work. So, you might think, this is a tool that you can use for your ends and to benefit whatever cause you wanted. But in reality, once it becomes widespread, the tool uses you: as a nation, as a group, or a company, you will no longer have the choice of not using this tool. Even if you think that brain implants are dehumanizing and provide a form of total tracking for the government, even if you make a policy against it, you will have to accept lower productivity, and you would have to put in resources to work against your own people. The “revealed preferences” of your people will show that they will sacrifice their souls for cheaper goods, higher thrills, and easy drugs.

    In the end, its like fighting entropy. You can’t win, certainly not if you want to take it on directly and without any exception or reservations: you can basically try to be Amish, for example, but would that compete in a modern setting? The technologies of communication and easy travel are everywhere; the only way back is to become a version of North Korea.

    Are you willing to do that? A lot of WN might be, which is cool for them. But not enough people as a whole would make that decision and its not because “of the Jews.” Its simply the weakness, if you want, of revealed preference for cheap blue jeans over any form of greater solidarity. The weakness of ethnostates from internal defection(look at Orania, for example) is the same weakness of communist countries, and its not due to “Der Evahl Capitalists.”

  216. @Clyde
    You would think differently if your children were all Asian. Chinese? Since your children are half white you have an investment in white America's future.

    You would think differently if your children were all Asian. Chinese? Since your children are half white you have an investment in white America’s future.

    1. You got that backward. I have half-white children, BECAUSE I “have an investment in white America’s future,” not the other way around. In other words, I married white, because I was (and am) an assimilationist. I didn’t become an assimilationist, because I married white.

    2. I am not Chinese.

  217. @JSM
    I'm on a low-sodium diet. I don't want any more salt *at all.* Immigration Moratorium NOW. In fact, I want a whole lot less salt. I want to go back to America as 90% White with minorities mostly Black (because we're stuck with 'em because slavery). White people don't need immigrants to give us good food. Recipes can be emailed from other countries and White chefs are perfectly capable of learning the techniques.

    I’m on a low-sodium diet.

    Have you tried a NO-sodium diet?

    I have. I would not want that… even on you.

  218. @Lot
    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.

    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.

    1. You can argue over that with Ron Unz. Even if Mr. Unz were wrong by a factor of 4, his basic thesis would stand. But I’ll let him argue his points. He is not infallible (I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue).

    2. You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn’t (implying that’s the reason why Jews were favored in the admissions process). What dawned on me at the time, after I got over the initial shock of hearing it, was the sheer boldness of him saying that in public. He didn’t expect to get into trouble at all, and he was right.

    • Replies: @Lot

    You can argue over that with Ron Unz.
     
    I have, but he preferred to tell me I am a stupid "racialist" and that he is too busy.

    Unz is also a 9-11 Truther, and in my prior experience it is hard for me to reason with such people about any subject. It is a sign that our brains operate differently.

    I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue
     

    In both cases, there were flaws in the public data, and he came up with what he thought was a clever solution, but which was so flawed as to be worthless.

    Interestingly, one of the flaws with Hispanic crime data, namely hispanics being inconsistently labeled as white, I noticed has now been corrected in my own county's arrest data. We have always had a Hispanic category and separate white category. When I initially looked into this around 2006, I noticed that about 40% of people with obviously hispanic names were labeled as white rather than hispanic. Now it is more like 3 to 5% mislabeled, and usually very white looking hispanics.

    (Looking at the raw data for San Diego County, I also noticed that virtually all of the Asians were Filipino or Vietnamese, even though we have roughly the same number of NE Asians. It isn't that Viet and Pinoy rates were high, they appear to be about the non hispanic white rate, but that our local NE Asians are basically never arrested for serious crimes)


    You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn’t
     
    Do you think he's wrong, at least the weaker version of what he said with an implicit "in general"?

    the sheer boldness of him saying that in public
     
    Seems like he considered you an honorary white too chill to be offended.

    In terms of numbers, in the most selective 50 or so universities Asians have much higher numbers than whites, excepting the few that don't have AA (the UC schools, Michigan, and CalTech). It probably overstates the IQ gap between those students since Asians test prep more, however if you corrected this, and also corrected for athlete/alumni preference, Asians still need higher IQs than whites to be admitted.

    Beyond the top 50 schools, admission becomes so much less competitive to the point where the smaller gap may purely reflect the test prep gap.

  219. @Clark Westwood

    Until Obama, they were indeed a consistent Republican bloc.
     
    Interesting. Two questions, if you care to comment:

    1. Why was Obama a turning point?

    2. Have they now gone back to pre-Obama patterns?

    Not certain. My assumption is that he came off as the first post-racial president, and was generally smooth. Speaking for myself, I was generally apolitical at the time and didn’t feel like I cared much whether he or Romney won, so I didn’t vote.

    Then, of course, his administration brought insanity bar none and it turned me into a desperate Trumpist, at times, making common cause of sorts with people on the extreme right who want me to essentially die.

    I imagine that there are other Asians who feel the same way.

  220. @SimpleSong
    If the Justice Department is going to go after this issue, can I make a humble suggestion that they broaden their focus to medical schools instead of just undergraduate universities?

    The average Joe doesn't think AA at the undergrad level affects him that much; if somebody from race X gets to study Proust with whatever famous professor instead of somebody from race Y, well, I guess that's a bummer, I suppose.

    In contrast people will get fired up if they think the local surgeons are all incompetent. I can tell you that the AA admits to medical schools are amazingly, disastrously unqualified. Generally speaking the nurse practitioner and physician assistant trainees are better at patient care than the black Hopkins MDs.

    Unlike the study of Proust, success in the field of medicine can actually be somewhat quantified. How many board complaints have been made against this physician? How many malpractice suits? How much do they publish? Any history of medicare fraud? This is all a matter of public record and the data can be easily gathered from state medical boards. So you can put together a paper trail: institution X admits disastrously unqualified blacks, then graduates them, and they go on to kill or main X patients. Pretty compelling case that you are inappropriately discriminating against one race in favor of another race, and a very scary story for everyone else.

    Unfortunately, so very true.

  221. @Twinkie

    There is zero evidence non Jewish whites are held to higher numerical admission standards than white Jews.
     
    1. You can argue over that with Ron Unz. Even if Mr. Unz were wrong by a factor of 4, his basic thesis would stand. But I'll let him argue his points. He is not infallible (I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue).

    2. You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn't (implying that's the reason why Jews were favored in the admissions process). What dawned on me at the time, after I got over the initial shock of hearing it, was the sheer boldness of him saying that in public. He didn't expect to get into trouble at all, and he was right.

    You can argue over that with Ron Unz.

    I have, but he preferred to tell me I am a stupid “racialist” and that he is too busy.

    Unz is also a 9-11 Truther, and in my prior experience it is hard for me to reason with such people about any subject. It is a sign that our brains operate differently.

    I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue

    In both cases, there were flaws in the public data, and he came up with what he thought was a clever solution, but which was so flawed as to be worthless.

    Interestingly, one of the flaws with Hispanic crime data, namely hispanics being inconsistently labeled as white, I noticed has now been corrected in my own county’s arrest data. We have always had a Hispanic category and separate white category. When I initially looked into this around 2006, I noticed that about 40% of people with obviously hispanic names were labeled as white rather than hispanic. Now it is more like 3 to 5% mislabeled, and usually very white looking hispanics.

    (Looking at the raw data for San Diego County, I also noticed that virtually all of the Asians were Filipino or Vietnamese, even though we have roughly the same number of NE Asians. It isn’t that Viet and Pinoy rates were high, they appear to be about the non hispanic white rate, but that our local NE Asians are basically never arrested for serious crimes)

    You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn’t

    Do you think he’s wrong, at least the weaker version of what he said with an implicit “in general”?

    the sheer boldness of him saying that in public

    Seems like he considered you an honorary white too chill to be offended.

    In terms of numbers, in the most selective 50 or so universities Asians have much higher numbers than whites, excepting the few that don’t have AA (the UC schools, Michigan, and CalTech). It probably overstates the IQ gap between those students since Asians test prep more, however if you corrected this, and also corrected for athlete/alumni preference, Asians still need higher IQs than whites to be admitted.

    Beyond the top 50 schools, admission becomes so much less competitive to the point where the smaller gap may purely reflect the test prep gap.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Do you think he’s wrong, at least the weaker version of what he said with an implicit “in general”?
     
    Yes, I do. He also reserved a special contempt for campus Christian Asians (even back then, NE Asians were a major presence in the campus Christian groups such as Campus Crusade for Christ) who were out to save everybody and were big into charity and volunteerism. And he wasn't alone. That negativity toward Asians in different shades was shared by A LOT of the Jewish administrators I knew firsthand.

    It seemed pretty clear to me that his declaration of Jewish moral superiority was simply an excuse for tribal nepotism. Note that I was pretty "philo-Semitic" when I first entered college, having studied next to and befriended immigrant Jews in NYC (even now, I keep in touch with my Russian Jewish high school friends and I continue to harbor warm feelings toward the Sabras in Israel who hosted me). But my experience of going to an Ivy League university and working there (and all the things I heard and saw) as well as experiences in my Ph.D. program and subsequent work in academia seriously damaged my fondness for Jews and Jewish diaspora culture. It's not just that so many seemed hostile to Asians. I also saw much contempt for white goyim, especially "flyover country" Christian whites.

    To be sure, I think there was also a strong element of class and economics in this dynamic. But the overall vibe among these young Jewish masters of the universe was that of an alien elite among ignorant, bigoted peasants, that they were a (superior) people apart... even when some of them were rather unaccomplished academically, and frankly didn't deserve to be there. In other words, they displayed many of the negative traits (sense of entitlement, arrogance, etc.) they popularly attributed to the dominant WASPs of yore (after I graduated, I came back for commencement ceremonies for several years, and during one year a female Jewish valedictorian gave a long and painfully repetitive speech about how her Jewish grandmother was so terribly oppressed at a Sisters school by the WASPs - they called her a Jewess! - but triumphed nonetheless, and how proud granny would be of her that day).

    I can just go and on, but you get the point. It wasn't just one thing or one incident.

    Seems like he considered you an honorary white too chill to be offended.
     
    That certainly was not the tone. It wasn't said with a wink or in a joking, friendly manner. He was being very arrogant about it, almost as if to say, "I don't like your kind. I am going to tell you that, and there is nothing you can do about it, because we run this place." My shock at the whole thing didn't wear off for a while. Sadly, I heard almost the exactly same thing from a Jewish alum some years later, also in public (about how more Asians have worsened the school, because "Jews care about the world while Asians are selfish people" - his evidence was "Jews are more liberal and have greater empathy for the weak and the oppressed unlike Asians who worship the powerful").

    And for the record, in my own personal experience, people who have considered me "honorary white" have been almost always Christian whites and never Jewish ones. And despite the fact that high IQ Jewish men tend to seek out Asian wives, I have found that Christian whites are far more genuinely interested in various Asian cultures and histories than Jewish whites.

    Nonetheless, I don't harbor any kind of hostility toward Jews in America (though I do have a negative outlook on their political and cultural impact on the society at large). I just wish they were a different kind of elite than they actually are - an elite that displays genuine noblesse oblige toward their non-Jewish inferiors (in the socio-economic sense, not in human dignity). I wish they actually cared about the world as much as they say they did... or at least cared about the country we all share, including the non-Jewish parts.
  222. @Lot

    You can argue over that with Ron Unz.
     
    I have, but he preferred to tell me I am a stupid "racialist" and that he is too busy.

    Unz is also a 9-11 Truther, and in my prior experience it is hard for me to reason with such people about any subject. It is a sign that our brains operate differently.

    I had my own arguments with him over the Hispanic crime issue
     

    In both cases, there were flaws in the public data, and he came up with what he thought was a clever solution, but which was so flawed as to be worthless.

    Interestingly, one of the flaws with Hispanic crime data, namely hispanics being inconsistently labeled as white, I noticed has now been corrected in my own county's arrest data. We have always had a Hispanic category and separate white category. When I initially looked into this around 2006, I noticed that about 40% of people with obviously hispanic names were labeled as white rather than hispanic. Now it is more like 3 to 5% mislabeled, and usually very white looking hispanics.

    (Looking at the raw data for San Diego County, I also noticed that virtually all of the Asians were Filipino or Vietnamese, even though we have roughly the same number of NE Asians. It isn't that Viet and Pinoy rates were high, they appear to be about the non hispanic white rate, but that our local NE Asians are basically never arrested for serious crimes)


    You forget that I worked at the admission office of an Ivy League university about 30 years ago, where a Jewish admissions officer declared, loudly, in front of everyone, that both Jews and Asians were smart, but that Jews cared about the world and Asians didn’t
     
    Do you think he's wrong, at least the weaker version of what he said with an implicit "in general"?

    the sheer boldness of him saying that in public
     
    Seems like he considered you an honorary white too chill to be offended.

    In terms of numbers, in the most selective 50 or so universities Asians have much higher numbers than whites, excepting the few that don't have AA (the UC schools, Michigan, and CalTech). It probably overstates the IQ gap between those students since Asians test prep more, however if you corrected this, and also corrected for athlete/alumni preference, Asians still need higher IQs than whites to be admitted.

    Beyond the top 50 schools, admission becomes so much less competitive to the point where the smaller gap may purely reflect the test prep gap.

    Do you think he’s wrong, at least the weaker version of what he said with an implicit “in general”?

    Yes, I do. He also reserved a special contempt for campus Christian Asians (even back then, NE Asians were a major presence in the campus Christian groups such as Campus Crusade for Christ) who were out to save everybody and were big into charity and volunteerism. And he wasn’t alone. That negativity toward Asians in different shades was shared by A LOT of the Jewish administrators I knew firsthand.

    It seemed pretty clear to me that his declaration of Jewish moral superiority was simply an excuse for tribal nepotism. Note that I was pretty “philo-Semitic” when I first entered college, having studied next to and befriended immigrant Jews in NYC (even now, I keep in touch with my Russian Jewish high school friends and I continue to harbor warm feelings toward the Sabras in Israel who hosted me). But my experience of going to an Ivy League university and working there (and all the things I heard and saw) as well as experiences in my Ph.D. program and subsequent work in academia seriously damaged my fondness for Jews and Jewish diaspora culture. It’s not just that so many seemed hostile to Asians. I also saw much contempt for white goyim, especially “flyover country” Christian whites.

    To be sure, I think there was also a strong element of class and economics in this dynamic. But the overall vibe among these young Jewish masters of the universe was that of an alien elite among ignorant, bigoted peasants, that they were a (superior) people apart… even when some of them were rather unaccomplished academically, and frankly didn’t deserve to be there. In other words, they displayed many of the negative traits (sense of entitlement, arrogance, etc.) they popularly attributed to the dominant WASPs of yore (after I graduated, I came back for commencement ceremonies for several years, and during one year a female Jewish valedictorian gave a long and painfully repetitive speech about how her Jewish grandmother was so terribly oppressed at a Sisters school by the WASPs – they called her a Jewess! – but triumphed nonetheless, and how proud granny would be of her that day).

    I can just go and on, but you get the point. It wasn’t just one thing or one incident.

    Seems like he considered you an honorary white too chill to be offended.

    That certainly was not the tone. It wasn’t said with a wink or in a joking, friendly manner. He was being very arrogant about it, almost as if to say, “I don’t like your kind. I am going to tell you that, and there is nothing you can do about it, because we run this place.” My shock at the whole thing didn’t wear off for a while. Sadly, I heard almost the exactly same thing from a Jewish alum some years later, also in public (about how more Asians have worsened the school, because “Jews care about the world while Asians are selfish people” – his evidence was “Jews are more liberal and have greater empathy for the weak and the oppressed unlike Asians who worship the powerful”).

    And for the record, in my own personal experience, people who have considered me “honorary white” have been almost always Christian whites and never Jewish ones. And despite the fact that high IQ Jewish men tend to seek out Asian wives, I have found that Christian whites are far more genuinely interested in various Asian cultures and histories than Jewish whites.

    Nonetheless, I don’t harbor any kind of hostility toward Jews in America (though I do have a negative outlook on their political and cultural impact on the society at large). I just wish they were a different kind of elite than they actually are – an elite that displays genuine noblesse oblige toward their non-Jewish inferiors (in the socio-economic sense, not in human dignity). I wish they actually cared about the world as much as they say they did… or at least cared about the country we all share, including the non-Jewish parts.

  223. @Difference Maker
    My Harvard interviewer wistfully suggested I beach bum on a California beach.. playing volleyball. She assured that my chance would be high then

    Indeed, Boomer indulgence, of better times. But a fine plan, another life, as opposed to this mess we are in

    Not that i am volunteering. She’s a 7 at best
    But a damned pity. Hope she has a good life

    • Replies: @Difference maker
    Meant to be about the doctor
  224. @Difference maker
    Not that i am volunteering. She's a 7 at best
    But a damned pity. Hope she has a good life

    Meant to be about the doctor

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