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From the New York Times sports page:

Tiger Woods’s Success Promised to Diversify Golf. It Didn’t.

Woods has reclaimed golf’s spotlight heading into the P.G.A. Championship, but his stardom has not produced a diverse array of stars, which some had predicted.

By Karen Crouse
May 17, 2019

Well, Tiger’s bid for the 2019 Grand Slam, which would have been the most astonishing feat in the history of sports if it happened, only lasted two rounds of 72-73, while Brooks Koepka, who has quietly become an astonishing golfer, shot 63-65 in the PGA Championship at Bethpage Black on Long Island.

But it’s silly to say that the roughly half-Asian Tiger’s famous 1997 Masters’ win by 12 strokes at age 21 didn’t “diversify” golf. It had an electrifying effect on East Asians, as seen in the women’s ranks. Men’s golf achievement is less of a Social Construct because a fair number of guys really like golf, so in men’s golf, physical talent will play an important role. But in women’s golf, social norms predominate, and over the last 22 years, the example of Tiger in 1997 and Se Ri Pak in 1999 have been foremost.

A few weeks ago I attended a Ladies Professional Golf Association (LPGA) tournament at the Wilshire Country Club in Los Angeles’ very nice Hancock Park neighborhood.

This is the old money WASP country club (Howard Hughes lived right behind one of the greens, perhaps this amazing one) that Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner was so upset that his parents weren’t invited to join (leaving them only Hillcrest, Brentwood, and El Caballero as Jewish country clubs to join, or superlative Riviera and Bel-Air if they could endure playing with gentiles).

Wilshire was one of many brilliant 1920s designs in Los Angeles that were wiped out in the 1938 flood. The richest ones like LACC, Riviera, and Bel-Air were restored fairly quickly, but Wilshire and Lakeside were only restored to their full original glory recently.

Wilshire CC is close to what’s now the Koreatown neighborhood along Wilshire Boulevard, so a large fraction of the golf fans in attendance were Asian tiger parents of girl golfers.

I would estimate that half the top golfers on the LPGA tour are East Asians.

My vague impression from a couple of hours of watching the ladies hit golf balls is that the white girls are the better athletes — they tend to look like daddy’s girls who take after their jock dads — while the East Asians are the more mechanical golfers. But training can beat talent and most of the top women golfers are now Asians. Here’s the top 11 at the moment:

LPGA
WORLD RANKING
MONEY LEADERS
  1. 1 of 2
    Pos Player Avg. Points
    1 J.Y. Ko 7.498 (54)
    2 M. Lee 6.723 (57)
    3 S. Park 6.492 (50)
    4 A. Jutanugarn 5.931 (56)
    5 N. Hataoka 5.343 (54)
    6 I. Park 5.131 (35)
    7 L. Thompson 5.039 (41)
    8 B. Henderson 4.935 (57)
    9 S.Y. Kim 4.895 (54)
    10 N. Korda 4.711 (48)

Success at women’s golf is a Social Construct.

But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.

 
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  1. Let me guess. Fancy Asians go in for golf, not the jungle Asians. This is another for the fancy ones to set themselves apart.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Exactly. Not only is golf classist, but its balls are still white. Such an ugly slant.
  2. to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.

    To the New York Times and their ilk, Diverse just means whatever will do the most damage to white people, especially Anglo-Americans, who have already been almost thoroughly cleansed from the corridors of power and are well on their way to being erased from existence entirely.

    That’s not enough for the tribalistic hatemongers. They want to tramp the dirt down, and ensure that these People Who Think They Are White remain hated and despised even after they are gone.

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing. The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.

    The golf thing–the sports thing as a whole–is just a symbolic sideshow. One of many.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Thanks for trying to wake up the crowd around here. For all the intellectual firepower on this board, they can't seem to figure out the obvious: The other side hates you and wants you dead.

    That's it. That's all. Nothing more. Steve and the commentators feel so very clever when they point out the other side's hypocrisy or mock their inconsistencies. They don't get it. The other side aren't hypocrites or inconsistent. They don't really believe any of the stuff that they put out. It's all done with the goal of destroying you, your family, your people and your culture.

    Does their action move them closer to that goal? That's how they judge their consistency.

    The NYT isn't being inconsistent when it doesn't count Asians as diverse. Why? Because counting Asians as diverse would work against their goal of destroying gentile whites and their culture. That would be inconsistent with their goal, so they don't count Asians as diverse. Perfectly consistent.

    They hate you and want you, your family, your people and your culture wiped from the Earth. That's their motivation and their goal. Understand that, and you understand everything that's happening.
    , @Digital Samizdat

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing.
     
    I wonder if they would have fought the war at all.

    The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.
     
    We should have left Dresden and Hamburg alone and bombed the concentration camps instead.
    , @Anon
    WWII wasn't fought to save the Jews. Indeed, there's good evidence to suggest that it was U.S. entry into the war that finally convinced Hitler to wipe them out.
  3. Your theory about the Oriental women flooding the women’s pro golf scene is one thing, but how about money? All of those countries have come a long way* in those couple of decades. Though they don’t have nearly as much room for golf courses in those crowded lands, they are at least as big Americans on prestige and flaunting one’s wealth, so perhaps it was just a big wealth increase that got them on the courses. Then, again, that wouldn’t explain why there aren’t many Oriental men this good. Perhaps your theory is sound.

    Either way, your main point is that this is not considered diversity because the sport is not majority black. “Diverse” means majority black, but the on-line dictionaries just haven’t caught up yet.

    BTW, who looked better in those golf skirts, the American or the Orientals (especially those Koreans)? Be honest about it. That’s the only reason I read through a post of yours on this boring-ass game to begin with … expecting some close-rear-angle shots of some good putting, to, like check out the follow-through.

    .

    * True, there must have been lots of rich Japanese people since the 1980’s, but then I don’t see a rising sun flag in your top 8.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nope, see Japan. Not a stage of development thing.
    , @Jim Christian
    The women's tour isn't a place of great wealth and they ain't that great looking as a group, many of them fat and mostly from overseas, it's hideous to watch. Very lesbo, too. Purses are a 10th or less of the purses on the men's tour. No one wants to watch hormonal lesbian chicks hit the ball 2/3 the distance of the men and on TV, the empty courses with the golfers and no fans look rather pathetic. Especially at the four men's majors and The Players, millions of fans pass through the gates to see the men tee it up over the course of the year and ad rates gotta be through the roof, golf is a valuable property to the networks that buy it.

    The women's tour, not nearly so, again, by a tenth. I've wondered when the women's groups would start squawking about the financial disparity.

    , @Thom
    What a poorly written comment. The word salad you've devised is quite remarkable, actually. Perhaps I should commend you.
  4. Orientals are too competent, boring, and apolitical to be “diverse.”

  5. “But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.”

    Just coming off Linh Dinh’s article on Malaysia, one can only wonder if Malaysians are Asians diverse enough to be deemed worthy by the NYT to be diverse, and whether it is their relative backwardness or some other characteristics that make them more worthy.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Pretty sure the NYT sees feral jungle Asians as diverse and civilized fancy Asians as non-diverse.
    , @nebulafox
    Malaysia is a multi-ethnic, multi-confessional country: like in Singapore, the big three ethnic groups are Malays, Chinese, and Indians. The Chinese are mostly Cantonese and Hakka with smaller groups of Fujianese, Hainanese, etc, and the Indians are mostly Tamil, with both mamaks (Muslims) and Hindus.

    My guess is that Malays would count as "diverse", the Chinese wouldn't, and the Indians would be somewhere in between. Unfortunately for the Woke, the Malaysians they are most likely to encounter in the West or in the touristy places in Malaya are ethnic Chinese, who are richer and more prosperous than the Malays, despite active discriminatory laws against non-Malays. Malaysia's undergone a pretty nasty brain drain because of them, and is now-almost in karmic fashion-looking to import far less tractable mainlanders to invest and do technical work in Malaysia.

  6. But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse

    .

    In other words, you can’t tell them apart.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.
  7. Asian families use golf to get their daughters into elite colleges. For example, seven of the nine women on the Harvard golf team are Asian. In 2017, Arizona State won its 8th NCAA Championship since 1990 and had no Asians on the team. This year ASU still has no Asians on the women’s golf team.

    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/wgolf/2018-19/roster
    https://thesundevils.com/roster.aspx?roster=1182&path=wgolf

    • Replies: @bomag

    This year ASU still has no Asians on the women’s golf team.
     
    Five of the six are European nationals?
    , @Anonymous
    That's a trope as sailman would say, go into crewing fencing and golf and you can be some rando robotic asiatic and still go to the great centers of western learning.
  8. @HammerJack

    to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.
     
    To the New York Times and their ilk, Diverse just means whatever will do the most damage to white people, especially Anglo-Americans, who have already been almost thoroughly cleansed from the corridors of power and are well on their way to being erased from existence entirely.

    That's not enough for the tribalistic hatemongers. They want to tramp the dirt down, and ensure that these People Who Think They Are White remain hated and despised even after they are gone.

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing. The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.

    The golf thing--the sports thing as a whole--is just a symbolic sideshow. One of many.

    Thanks for trying to wake up the crowd around here. For all the intellectual firepower on this board, they can’t seem to figure out the obvious: The other side hates you and wants you dead.

    That’s it. That’s all. Nothing more. Steve and the commentators feel so very clever when they point out the other side’s hypocrisy or mock their inconsistencies. They don’t get it. The other side aren’t hypocrites or inconsistent. They don’t really believe any of the stuff that they put out. It’s all done with the goal of destroying you, your family, your people and your culture.

    Does their action move them closer to that goal? That’s how they judge their consistency.

    The NYT isn’t being inconsistent when it doesn’t count Asians as diverse. Why? Because counting Asians as diverse would work against their goal of destroying gentile whites and their culture. That would be inconsistent with their goal, so they don’t count Asians as diverse. Perfectly consistent.

    They hate you and want you, your family, your people and your culture wiped from the Earth. That’s their motivation and their goal. Understand that, and you understand everything that’s happening.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    FWIW, Anglo-types appear to be a distinct minority of the commenters here, and the rest range widely but include a number of anti-white voices.

    The only difference is that here, self-respecting Anglos are still permitted a voice, however small; and the anti-whites do not hold the whip hand as on MSM sites.

    It's also worth noting that the crowd here appears to include a significant number of people claiming to be something other than what they really are, but such is free speech on the internet. I don't mind, much.

  9. Europeans and East Asians need to treat the NYT staff like Early European Farmers and Ainu, respectively.

  10. I never understood the white boy fascination for Tiger, but he is great for ratings. He was playing with Brooks Koepka on Thursday. The first hole they played was a 500 yard par 4. Koepka birdied it and Tiger double bogeyed, so Tiger was three shots behind after just one hole.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Koepka's a beast, for now. And, that course is a monster. Tiger missed a lot of fairways and on that course, it's a no-no. Lots of shots in the thick rough Tiger just bumped the ball into the fairway where as Koepka was taking shots out of the same rough to the green as Tiger would have 15 years ago. Tiger's saving his back, he can't play as aggressively as he used to. Koepka works out a lot, his mechanics will change at the same pace as Tiger's when he was young. It''ll be interesting to see if Keopka can re-do his swing.
    , @Curmudgeon
    Years ago, I saw an interview with Lee Trevino where he was pointing out that Tom Watson was hitting the ball further in his 60s than he was in his 20s. It's all about the equipment, especially the ball. Rory McIlroy is slightly taller than me, and about the same weight. Fifty years ago, I used to do a lot of weight training while playing. Now, I was never a scratch golfer, but was known as a big hitter, normally around 275-280 and on exceptional days, I could get to 300 maybe once in the round. McIlroy's average is about 325. Yeah, I know he's a better golfer, but 45-50 yards more on average is gigantic.
    Woods benefited immensely from the change. I couldn't understand all the hype about Woods after the Masters. The reality is that he didn't win, Molinari lost, when he uncharacteristically gassed a lead.
    Funny how he's always called "Black" never Asian.
  11. In the Olympic figure skating and ice dancing, most of the Americans were Asian, and all of the Koreans (South & North), all of the Chinese and all of the Japanese were Asian, too.

    In a heartwarming display of MLK-style color-blindness, the American top contenders had a puff-piece video exchange with the Japanese team.

    If the main reason for pursuing excellence is the sport in and of itself—and with something as near-impossible to master as figure skating or ice dancing it would have to be the sole concentration of the athletes—skin pigmentation should be put on a back burner by the athletes and the show’s producers.

    In the few nations around the globe—all Western and traditionally majority-white—that value diversity over homogeneity, it is claimed that shared political ideals, shared interests in pursuing excellence in various fields, etc. trump skin-pigmentation hue and foreign ancestry.

    It is the entire argument behind e pluribus unum, a melting-pot society, a tolerance for mass immigration and the claim that mass immigration strengthens performance in various fields.

    It is also the rationale behind claims that GDP growth is spurred by mass immigration apart from the reality that, as economists note, all of the GDP gains are modest, with all of the gains going to the immigrants themselves, their progeny and their cheapskate employers.

    This sets aside the multi billions in welfare-for-womb-productivity expenditures to support mass immigration and the ‘giant sucking sound of billions in remittances leaving the USA, going to every corner of the globe each year.’

    Even when people possess a rare skill of the highest caliber, the focus of not just the white oppressors—but of the minorites themselves—is always on skin pigmentation and what they have in common with foreign nationals due to a shared skin-pigmentation hue.

    If whites notice that some field of excellence is dominated by Asians or another minority group, it is called out as racism, but it’s fine for the minorities to celebrate their skin-pigmentation group, rather than keeping the media focus on the stellar athletic performance in and of itself.

    This gets even more complicated in the average wo(man)’s arena, where there is often precious little in the way of excellent individual performances among groups that bond together due to shared skin pigmentation (or for other non-work-related shared social characteristics) and who are held to very different social & workplace standards.

    There’s no money in this stress-inducing posturing and racial profiteering, not for the serfs, not even enough to cover rent, whereas these athletes make bank on their skill set and the media’s skin-pigmentation hype.

  12. Looks like you conservatives have yet to grasp the lingo.

    “Diverse” is just code for “Black”.

    Anything else is not “diverse”, get it?

  13. @The Alarmist

    "But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse."
     
    Just coming off Linh Dinh's article on Malaysia, one can only wonder if Malaysians are Asians diverse enough to be deemed worthy by the NYT to be diverse, and whether it is their relative backwardness or some other characteristics that make them more worthy.

    Pretty sure the NYT sees feral jungle Asians as diverse and civilized fancy Asians as non-diverse.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    FWIW, China really runs the gamut.
    , @EastKekistani
    Thankfully the enemy recognizes us as a (minor) part of their enemy.
  14. Liberals only care about two groups of people:

    1) Uber rich liberal whites, esp. those active in virtue signaling

    and

    2) Black men at all economic levels, esp. the white hating DNC voting ones

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Liberals only care about two groups of people:

    1) Uber rich liberal whites, esp. those active in virtue signaling

    and

    2) Black men at all economic levels, esp. the white hating DNC voting ones
     
    You forgot homosexuals. They care more about homosexuals than about blacks.
  15. I was visiting my dad, an avid golfer, a few months ago and he had the Golf Channel on. The program was a junior women’s national golf championship of some kind – not an actual tournament, but instead testing specific skills such as putting, approach shots, and driving. Age range was roughly 14-17. At least 70% of the finalists were Asian. I commented to my spouse later that golf appears to be the next big thing among the tiger moms, as this competition was clearly aimed at girls competing for college scholarships…

    Also, there were plenty of the girls whose surnames were pure Anglo but were clearly at least half Asian by appearance, so the white man + Asian woman couple must still be going strong (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

  16. @Triumph104
    Asian families use golf to get their daughters into elite colleges. For example, seven of the nine women on the Harvard golf team are Asian. In 2017, Arizona State won its 8th NCAA Championship since 1990 and had no Asians on the team. This year ASU still has no Asians on the women's golf team.


    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/wgolf/2018-19/roster
    https://thesundevils.com/roster.aspx?roster=1182&path=wgolf

    This year ASU still has no Asians on the women’s golf team.

    Five of the six are European nationals?

  17. Steve’s blog has given me a new perspective on the subtle anti-WASP themes in Caddyshack and Animal House.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The W stands for wealthy.
    , @HammerJack
    In the latter film the white fraternity boys are actually referred to as Hitler Youth.

    It's not just those two zany comedies though. It's a thousand Hollywood movies and TV shows. Day in day out 365 days a year. Don't you just hate white people?

  18. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    Your theory about the Oriental women flooding the women's pro golf scene is one thing, but how about money? All of those countries have come a long way* in those couple of decades. Though they don't have nearly as much room for golf courses in those crowded lands, they are at least as big Americans on prestige and flaunting one's wealth, so perhaps it was just a big wealth increase that got them on the courses. Then, again, that wouldn't explain why there aren't many Oriental men this good. Perhaps your theory is sound.

    Either way, your main point is that this is not considered diversity because the sport is not majority black. "Diverse" means majority black, but the on-line dictionaries just haven't caught up yet.

    BTW, who looked better in those golf skirts, the American or the Orientals (especially those Koreans)? Be honest about it. That's the only reason I read through a post of yours on this boring-ass game to begin with ... expecting some close-rear-angle shots of some good putting, to, like check out the follow-through.

    .

    * True, there must have been lots of rich Japanese people since the 1980's, but then I don't see a rising sun flag in your top 8.

    Nope, see Japan. Not a stage of development thing.

  19. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104
    Asian families use golf to get their daughters into elite colleges. For example, seven of the nine women on the Harvard golf team are Asian. In 2017, Arizona State won its 8th NCAA Championship since 1990 and had no Asians on the team. This year ASU still has no Asians on the women's golf team.


    https://www.gocrimson.com/sports/wgolf/2018-19/roster
    https://thesundevils.com/roster.aspx?roster=1182&path=wgolf

    That’s a trope as sailman would say, go into crewing fencing and golf and you can be some rando robotic asiatic and still go to the great centers of western learning.

  20. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse
     
    .

    In other words, you can't tell them apart.

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.
     
    Well, I have no problem telling the men from the women. It's easier than in the West.

    You totally missed the point. It was about distinguishing people within each population. You must be very young if you've never heard "They all look alike to me."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect

    https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-cory-booker-eric-holder-look-alike-joke-2018-10

  21. Most guys I know started to play golf because their dad took them or they learned the game caddying at the local courses. All the women golfers I know play golf so they can belong to a CC and play occasionally with their husbands. I guess not a lot of blacks play golf because they have no one to take them along for a round. Are there any black women golf pros? And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

    • Replies: @sanjoaquinsam

    And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

     

    J.J. Spaun, Harold Varner, Cameron Champ. Spaun and Champ appear to be mixed race.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Harold Varner III, a pretty regular African-American, is tied for 2nd in the PGA Championship, 7 strokes behind Koepka. He hasn't won yet on tour, so this is his first real moment in the spotlight.

    Cameron Champ, 23, won a PGA tournament last fall. He doesn't look all that black but his grandfather was quite black (unless he's adopted).

    My impression is that blacks guys with some money like golf just as much as white guys. But not many of them play as teenagers. They tend to take it up in their 20s, by which time it's too late to become a pro.

  22. A few years ago in Sonoma County I had a fun time playing golf with a retired Asian couple from L.A., dunno Korean or Chinese. The wife belonged to three country clubs and could play. I was having a great putting day and she said to me, “you just knock ’em in from anywhere, eh Marty?” Husband had been a shop teacher at Fremont High and built his own clubs. I had once played ball with a member of the only Fremont High team to ever win the city championship (’63-Bobby Tolan-Bob Watson-Willie Crawford) and he got a kick out of that.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Bobby Tolan? The CIN CF who blew game 7 of the WS vs OAK? He really blew making an important catch in later innings, which cost the game and WS for CIN. Solid player and was part of the Big Red Machine's 70 and 72 WS losses, before being traded to SD after 72 season. He just choked big time in game 7, but, can't have everything.

    THAT Bobby Tolan?
  23. RH says:

    Steve: I think you are underestimating the athletic ability of the top female Asians. They give the impression of being more “mechanical”, but that is because they have better training and better coaching. Many non-Asians have been allowed to develop swings with serious flaws by coaches who have forgotten what their job is. They are more like cheerleaders. Among the Asian girls, the coaches’s word is law, and the girls develop classic swings. One almost never sees an Asian with an eccentric or weird swing. The only exception I can think of offhand is Inbee Park. But they could not achieve what they do without a ton of ability.

  24. @HammerJack

    to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.
     
    To the New York Times and their ilk, Diverse just means whatever will do the most damage to white people, especially Anglo-Americans, who have already been almost thoroughly cleansed from the corridors of power and are well on their way to being erased from existence entirely.

    That's not enough for the tribalistic hatemongers. They want to tramp the dirt down, and ensure that these People Who Think They Are White remain hated and despised even after they are gone.

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing. The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.

    The golf thing--the sports thing as a whole--is just a symbolic sideshow. One of many.

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing.

    I wonder if they would have fought the war at all.

    The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.

    We should have left Dresden and Hamburg alone and bombed the concentration camps instead.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    If there will ever be a WWIII (I hope not) white Americans will regret fighting against China and maybe Russia for there will be Worldwide Haiti (WWH).
  25. So, hol-hol-hol-hold it. So, then, once again, Eldrick failed to make the final cut, is that correct? Which means, that today will be one less major he can win, correct?

    TICK

    TICK

    and TICK

    If this trend continues this year and he is shut out from the remaining majors, it would appear that Nicholaus can begin breathe a little easier. Perhaps unlike in 1997, in 2019 the PGA level of competition is better across the board. Unfortunately from Eldrick’s vantage point, it’s also much much younger.

    Steve, you really should seriously consider writing the definitive book on golf. Such diverse aspects of the sport, from the LPGA being dominated by East Asians to how some of LA’s prestigious country clubs were restored to their former glory post flooding really belong in a book, and one that has the potential to be the most comprehensive one on the sport.

    PS: Go Jordan Speith

  26. But training can beat talent and most of the top women golfers are now Asians

    Clearly, this is untrue. Obviously, Asians have an innate ability for golf. They probably acquired it in ancient times when all the snow in their cold regions made them used to the color white, the color of a golf ball. They are ice people.

    Training and effort do not substantially affect outcomes in any field, physical or intellectual. This is well known. I don’t know exactly how.

    When one group does well on something, we must never attribute it to training or effort, but only to innate advantages.

    Next you will be telling us that Asian preference for STEM is just a result of training, effort, and tiger momming, Steve.

    I do not come here for such nonsense.

  27. @Buffalo Joe
    Most guys I know started to play golf because their dad took them or they learned the game caddying at the local courses. All the women golfers I know play golf so they can belong to a CC and play occasionally with their husbands. I guess not a lot of blacks play golf because they have no one to take them along for a round. Are there any black women golf pros? And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

    And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

    J.J. Spaun, Harold Varner, Cameron Champ. Spaun and Champ appear to be mixed race.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    To be fair, he may also have meant are there any black PGAers who are dominant on the tour? How many have won majors and finish in the top three at the majors year after year? With that context, the answer of course remains zero. Because....uh, if there was another black golfer who was as dominant as Eldrick was back during his prime, the MSM would be all over it in promoting them/him as the second coming of greatness.
  28. Fascinating trend, Steve, and interesting to try squaring in HBD terms with the classic Sailer takes on interracial dating and on stick-and-ball sports. [Reader refresher: the former correctly predicts pairing frequencies for White man/Asian woman, Black man/White woman, Asian man/White woman and White man/Black woman on the basis that the racial testosterone axis is ordered B>W>A for both sexes, respectively. The latter suggests that female stick-and-ball popularity varies directly with testosterone, as judged by high ‘lesbian’ (ie, mannish woman) participation.]

    Asian social climbing may play a role, but is nurture and thus unlikely to be fundamental in my book, at least long-term.

    My guess is that the relative visuospatial specialization of the Asian brain, both male and female, outcompensates the testosterone factor. Especially since maleness would seem to play a much more complicated role in being good at golf than at, say, sprinting, and golf may well be the most visuospatial of all major sports.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    Here in Japan I know a few women who are avid amateur golfers, and I swear by their personalities and looks, they would be lesbians if they grew up in the US. But they are in long-term stable hetero marriages. My guess is that Steve's observations about lady ball and stick sports basically hold in Asia, even if the women "aren't" lesbians.
    , @Desiderius
    Women lose most of their strokes vs men in the short game. Something other than pure testosterone is likely in play there.
  29. @McFly
    Steve’s blog has given me a new perspective on the subtle anti-WASP themes in Caddyshack and Animal House.

    The W stands for wealthy.

  30. Ha HA your full of yourself man whites are the most clumsy amonst all the races asians are the most athletic we can jump the hishest with cat like reflexes hang time lihtning quick hands you guys are the most clumsy with 2 left feet you guys always go down while going backwards in afight while a asian wil just back away with speed and balance

  31. whites are the clumsieist race of all

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    What's this nonsense? White Aryans are good at many sports. Swimming is a good example.
    , @Anonymous
    Best hand eye coordination. By alot.
  32. @Marty
    A few years ago in Sonoma County I had a fun time playing golf with a retired Asian couple from L.A., dunno Korean or Chinese. The wife belonged to three country clubs and could play. I was having a great putting day and she said to me, "you just knock 'em in from anywhere, eh Marty?" Husband had been a shop teacher at Fremont High and built his own clubs. I had once played ball with a member of the only Fremont High team to ever win the city championship ('63-Bobby Tolan-Bob Watson-Willie Crawford) and he got a kick out of that.

    Bobby Tolan? The CIN CF who blew game 7 of the WS vs OAK? He really blew making an important catch in later innings, which cost the game and WS for CIN. Solid player and was part of the Big Red Machine’s 70 and 72 WS losses, before being traded to SD after 72 season. He just choked big time in game 7, but, can’t have everything.

    THAT Bobby Tolan?

    • Replies: @Marty
    Come on, how do you blow the game in the 1st inning? How about that ground ball that Rose muffed by backing up on it? (Full disclosure: I didn't remember any of that- had to go to YT). By the way, Holtzman threw like he had a broken arm. How did he ever win?
  33. Tiger Woods’s Success Promised to Diversify Golf. It Didn’t.

    maybe the JYT should worry more about diversifying Hollywood and the media?

  34. @Clyde
    Let me guess. Fancy Asians go in for golf, not the jungle Asians. This is another for the fancy ones to set themselves apart.

    Exactly. Not only is golf classist, but its balls are still white. Such an ugly slant.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    https://www.mycancerstory.rocks/single-post/2016/08/22/Shake-up-your-life-how-to-change-your-own-perspective
  35. @Jack Highlands
    Fascinating trend, Steve, and interesting to try squaring in HBD terms with the classic Sailer takes on interracial dating and on stick-and-ball sports. [Reader refresher: the former correctly predicts pairing frequencies for White man/Asian woman, Black man/White woman, Asian man/White woman and White man/Black woman on the basis that the racial testosterone axis is ordered B>W>A for both sexes, respectively. The latter suggests that female stick-and-ball popularity varies directly with testosterone, as judged by high 'lesbian' (ie, mannish woman) participation.]

    Asian social climbing may play a role, but is nurture and thus unlikely to be fundamental in my book, at least long-term.

    My guess is that the relative visuospatial specialization of the Asian brain, both male and female, outcompensates the testosterone factor. Especially since maleness would seem to play a much more complicated role in being good at golf than at, say, sprinting, and golf may well be the most visuospatial of all major sports.

    Here in Japan I know a few women who are avid amateur golfers, and I swear by their personalities and looks, they would be lesbians if they grew up in the US. But they are in long-term stable hetero marriages. My guess is that Steve’s observations about lady ball and stick sports basically hold in Asia, even if the women “aren’t” lesbians.

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    That goes to the reason I put 'lesbian' in quotes. I'm not even convinced there is such a thing as a lesbian in the sexual sense. For one thing, non-penetrative sex is really a qualititatively different thing from penetrative and used to have its own word: petting. For another, I'd bet the sex frequency between even theoretical spicy lesbians goes down to near zero within a few months.

    The only thing lesbians have in common with gays is opting out of the competition for the opposite sex. Gays, because attaining women is hard work for most men and their fellow gays are so promiscuous they can't be bothered, many never being much inclined in the first place. Lesbians because they are hyposexual, but otherwise mannish, women: psychologically or physically (often both because physiognomy is real). The flirty, fem-girl competition for men drives them nuts.

    So that leaves a lot of room for cultural effects on frequency and behavior of gays and lesbians. In fact, it would dovetail very nicely with 'East Asians are the least masculine/most feminine major race' theory to posit that, in addition to whatever cultural pressures are on hyposexual mannish women to marry in Asia, it's also easier that their husbands are relatively hyposexual as well.

  36. The Australian golfer on this list is korean-Australian Min-jee Lee. This early piece has a lot about her mum. Dad is a spray painter.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/the-rise-and-rise-of-wa-teen-golfer-minjee-lee-president-of-the-club-ng-27ca8d18cd4f73d8372d74766df59f0b

  37. @Jack Highlands
    Fascinating trend, Steve, and interesting to try squaring in HBD terms with the classic Sailer takes on interracial dating and on stick-and-ball sports. [Reader refresher: the former correctly predicts pairing frequencies for White man/Asian woman, Black man/White woman, Asian man/White woman and White man/Black woman on the basis that the racial testosterone axis is ordered B>W>A for both sexes, respectively. The latter suggests that female stick-and-ball popularity varies directly with testosterone, as judged by high 'lesbian' (ie, mannish woman) participation.]

    Asian social climbing may play a role, but is nurture and thus unlikely to be fundamental in my book, at least long-term.

    My guess is that the relative visuospatial specialization of the Asian brain, both male and female, outcompensates the testosterone factor. Especially since maleness would seem to play a much more complicated role in being good at golf than at, say, sprinting, and golf may well be the most visuospatial of all major sports.

    Women lose most of their strokes vs men in the short game. Something other than pure testosterone is likely in play there.

    • Replies: @Jack Highlands
    That's what I was getting at in comparing golf to sprinting. Also, though I admit it's lazy and reflects relative ignorance, lots of mine and some of the state of biological knowledge, "testosterone" also has a sense of shorthand for biological maleness, akin to "the gene for empathy" and the like, even though the reality involves many genes and gene-mediating processes yet unknown. Yet even simple testosterone the hormone seems to play a direct role in differential brain development, in its effects on the developing fetus for example.

    Interesting about the short game. Given the visuospatial aspect of putting, I was already thinking that may be exactly where Asian female pros are gaining the most strokes compared to their non-Asian competition.

  38. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Pretty sure the NYT sees feral jungle Asians as diverse and civilized fancy Asians as non-diverse.

    FWIW, China really runs the gamut.

  39. @McFly
    Steve’s blog has given me a new perspective on the subtle anti-WASP themes in Caddyshack and Animal House.

    In the latter film the white fraternity boys are actually referred to as Hitler Youth.

    It’s not just those two zany comedies though. It’s a thousand Hollywood movies and TV shows. Day in day out 365 days a year. Don’t you just hate white people?

  40. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Pretty sure the NYT sees feral jungle Asians as diverse and civilized fancy Asians as non-diverse.

    Thankfully the enemy recognizes us as a (minor) part of their enemy.

  41. @australiansrcowards
    whites are the clumsieist race of all

    What’s this nonsense? White Aryans are good at many sports. Swimming is a good example.

  42. @Digital Samizdat

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing.
     
    I wonder if they would have fought the war at all.

    The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.
     
    We should have left Dresden and Hamburg alone and bombed the concentration camps instead.

    If there will ever be a WWIII (I hope not) white Americans will regret fighting against China and maybe Russia for there will be Worldwide Haiti (WWH).

  43. don’t they always wildly overrate his chances? i mean in general, but more specifically, isn’t the masters course by far his best course? and it never changes. so he always has a chance on that. but once it’s some different, difficult course, he often just drops off the leaderboard after a few rounds.

    this is almost like the triple crown. he does great at the masters and he’s gonna run the table, then the usual, extremely predictable drop off a cliff. also the last time they had a major at beth page black wasn’t it a rain out? i seem to remember the course being water logged.

    didn’t big ben play this course after a superbowl year, the day before the PGA major started? he outplayed 3 of the 150 PGA guys in the field. i remember the scores.

    anyway, the greatest sports comeback is foreman, probably followed by lemieux. but now i’m forced to grudgingly accept woods in the top couple ever. still, it’s competitive golf, a minor sport with no real athletes, where guys in their 40s can and do win majors.

  44. Asians girls dominate in Golf, because, Golf requires commitment. Lots of hours hitting golf balls. Lots of putting and chipping. Plus, you need a golf course. Even Johnny Miller found out that you can’t put the clubs away for 3-4 months and still win. Most white girls, especially the pretty ones, don’t want to do that. They’d rather do something more active, that requires less practice and keeps them slim. Spending hours alone on a golf range? Who needs it. Plus, Golf is seen as a “Boys Sport” by many girls.

    That was the LPGA problem for years. Their best players were either Lesbian or not really attractive. When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who’s good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early. So, the East Asians, just filled the gap.

    • Replies: @sanjoaquinsam
    In my neck of the woods during the ladies high school golf season (fall) the public courses are packed with high school girls teams. As an added bonus for them, ladies golf fashion has come along way and the teen girls have lots of choices to look "cute" while playing competitively.
    , @ScarletNumber

    When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who’s good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early.
     
    She won the Chick-Fil-A at 40, the same age she finished 2nd in the US Open, so I don't think that qualifies as retiring early. Besides, she could have easily retired at 25 when she married Ray Knight.
  45. BTW, the PGA championship seems to lack something this year. I’m not sure if I like the new May, time slot. It just seems too early. Weren’t we celebrating Tiger’s win like yesterday? And in another 4 weeks its the US Open. Everything seems jammed in. And who can care about all the small time USA tournaments in-between? I guess the Memorial is important because of Jack, but all the others now just seem like afterthoughts or tune-up’s for the upcoming Major.

  46. Bizarro World NYT headlines in 20 years: Matthew Boling’s Success Promised to Diversify Track. It Didn’t.

    Meanwhile, I’ve banged out a story pitch for this headline: [Goyim Film Producer]’s Success Promised to Diversify Hollywood. It didn’t.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    Your theory about the Oriental women flooding the women's pro golf scene is one thing, but how about money? All of those countries have come a long way* in those couple of decades. Though they don't have nearly as much room for golf courses in those crowded lands, they are at least as big Americans on prestige and flaunting one's wealth, so perhaps it was just a big wealth increase that got them on the courses. Then, again, that wouldn't explain why there aren't many Oriental men this good. Perhaps your theory is sound.

    Either way, your main point is that this is not considered diversity because the sport is not majority black. "Diverse" means majority black, but the on-line dictionaries just haven't caught up yet.

    BTW, who looked better in those golf skirts, the American or the Orientals (especially those Koreans)? Be honest about it. That's the only reason I read through a post of yours on this boring-ass game to begin with ... expecting some close-rear-angle shots of some good putting, to, like check out the follow-through.

    .

    * True, there must have been lots of rich Japanese people since the 1980's, but then I don't see a rising sun flag in your top 8.

    The women’s tour isn’t a place of great wealth and they ain’t that great looking as a group, many of them fat and mostly from overseas, it’s hideous to watch. Very lesbo, too. Purses are a 10th or less of the purses on the men’s tour. No one wants to watch hormonal lesbian chicks hit the ball 2/3 the distance of the men and on TV, the empty courses with the golfers and no fans look rather pathetic. Especially at the four men’s majors and The Players, millions of fans pass through the gates to see the men tee it up over the course of the year and ad rates gotta be through the roof, golf is a valuable property to the networks that buy it.

    The women’s tour, not nearly so, again, by a tenth. I’ve wondered when the women’s groups would start squawking about the financial disparity.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I hate to say this*, Jim, but whether it's women's or men's golf, I could do without any of it. I only got to this post because the headline had nothing in it to clue me in, even with a ctrl-f on "boredom", "tedium" and "knocking stupid little balls into cups in the grass". Watching 5 minutes of it on TV by accident is one thing, but actually paying good money to be there ...?

    As for the players, why don't you all come out and admit that you just like the outdoors but are scared of black bears and cougars that you might see if you went hiking, and that you're really out there to smoke a bowl or two? At least that latter part was true for the kids at my high school. Come to think of it, maybe that's the only way to make 18 holes not last like a virtual lifetime.

    ;-}

    .

    * No, actually I LUV it.
  48. @Jim Don Bob
    I never understood the white boy fascination for Tiger, but he is great for ratings. He was playing with Brooks Koepka on Thursday. The first hole they played was a 500 yard par 4. Koepka birdied it and Tiger double bogeyed, so Tiger was three shots behind after just one hole.

    Koepka’s a beast, for now. And, that course is a monster. Tiger missed a lot of fairways and on that course, it’s a no-no. Lots of shots in the thick rough Tiger just bumped the ball into the fairway where as Koepka was taking shots out of the same rough to the green as Tiger would have 15 years ago. Tiger’s saving his back, he can’t play as aggressively as he used to. Koepka works out a lot, his mechanics will change at the same pace as Tiger’s when he was young. It”ll be interesting to see if Keopka can re-do his swing.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Amazing, Brooks almost blew it to Dustin Johnson today, shooting a 74 (+4). Starting the day, 4 golfers including Johnson were 7 behind, but Jazz shot a 77, Luke List also shot a 74, and Varner completely choked with an 81. Only DJ broke par at 69, but it wasn't enough.
  49. @Desiderius
    Women lose most of their strokes vs men in the short game. Something other than pure testosterone is likely in play there.

    That’s what I was getting at in comparing golf to sprinting. Also, though I admit it’s lazy and reflects relative ignorance, lots of mine and some of the state of biological knowledge, “testosterone” also has a sense of shorthand for biological maleness, akin to “the gene for empathy” and the like, even though the reality involves many genes and gene-mediating processes yet unknown. Yet even simple testosterone the hormone seems to play a direct role in differential brain development, in its effects on the developing fetus for example.

    Interesting about the short game. Given the visuospatial aspect of putting, I was already thinking that may be exactly where Asian female pros are gaining the most strokes compared to their non-Asian competition.

  50. @Chrisnonymous
    Here in Japan I know a few women who are avid amateur golfers, and I swear by their personalities and looks, they would be lesbians if they grew up in the US. But they are in long-term stable hetero marriages. My guess is that Steve's observations about lady ball and stick sports basically hold in Asia, even if the women "aren't" lesbians.

    That goes to the reason I put ‘lesbian’ in quotes. I’m not even convinced there is such a thing as a lesbian in the sexual sense. For one thing, non-penetrative sex is really a qualititatively different thing from penetrative and used to have its own word: petting. For another, I’d bet the sex frequency between even theoretical spicy lesbians goes down to near zero within a few months.

    The only thing lesbians have in common with gays is opting out of the competition for the opposite sex. Gays, because attaining women is hard work for most men and their fellow gays are so promiscuous they can’t be bothered, many never being much inclined in the first place. Lesbians because they are hyposexual, but otherwise mannish, women: psychologically or physically (often both because physiognomy is real). The flirty, fem-girl competition for men drives them nuts.

    So that leaves a lot of room for cultural effects on frequency and behavior of gays and lesbians. In fact, it would dovetail very nicely with ‘East Asians are the least masculine/most feminine major race’ theory to posit that, in addition to whatever cultural pressures are on hyposexual mannish women to marry in Asia, it’s also easier that their husbands are relatively hyposexual as well.

  51. @Anonymous
    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.

    Well, I have no problem telling the men from the women. It’s easier than in the West.

    You totally missed the point. It was about distinguishing people within each population. You must be very young if you’ve never heard “They all look alike to me.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect

    https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-cory-booker-eric-holder-look-alike-joke-2018-10

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That involves cultural affect. Homo sapiens exhibit among the least body metamorphism in mammalia.

    Little to do with genetics of course.
  52. @HammerJack

    to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse.
     
    To the New York Times and their ilk, Diverse just means whatever will do the most damage to white people, especially Anglo-Americans, who have already been almost thoroughly cleansed from the corridors of power and are well on their way to being erased from existence entirely.

    That's not enough for the tribalistic hatemongers. They want to tramp the dirt down, and ensure that these People Who Think They Are White remain hated and despised even after they are gone.

    I wonder if Anglos and Americans would have prosecuted World War II a bit differently if they could have known what they were unleashing. The vicious, eternal vengeance of the people they liberated.

    The golf thing--the sports thing as a whole--is just a symbolic sideshow. One of many.

    WWII wasn’t fought to save the Jews. Indeed, there’s good evidence to suggest that it was U.S. entry into the war that finally convinced Hitler to wipe them out.

  53. @Tired of Not Winning
    Liberals only care about two groups of people:

    1) Uber rich liberal whites, esp. those active in virtue signaling

    and

    2) Black men at all economic levels, esp. the white hating DNC voting ones

    Liberals only care about two groups of people:

    1) Uber rich liberal whites, esp. those active in virtue signaling

    and

    2) Black men at all economic levels, esp. the white hating DNC voting ones

    You forgot homosexuals. They care more about homosexuals than about blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Check your intersectionality tables bro. Im going to have to send you back for some more intensive sensitivity training camp work. This time at your cost...
  54. Screaming about diversity just makes no sense in golf. The course is one’s opponent…much like other sports where the athlete competes against the course (solo competitions) like: snowboarding on Slopeside, Big Air; Ice skating (both black and Asians have done well since the 80’s); Cross Countryskiing..not to mention the one when you are packing a rifle; sailing (collisions can happen), surfing, Down Hill Racing.

  55. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Bobby Tolan? The CIN CF who blew game 7 of the WS vs OAK? He really blew making an important catch in later innings, which cost the game and WS for CIN. Solid player and was part of the Big Red Machine's 70 and 72 WS losses, before being traded to SD after 72 season. He just choked big time in game 7, but, can't have everything.

    THAT Bobby Tolan?

    Come on, how do you blow the game in the 1st inning? How about that ground ball that Rose muffed by backing up on it? (Full disclosure: I didn’t remember any of that- had to go to YT). By the way, Holtzman threw like he had a broken arm. How did he ever win?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    As a lifelong Reds fan I’ve never looked into that series. There be monsters.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Na-no, this was like in the later innings, more like the 6th or 7th. Tolan suffered a hamstring pull while going back toward the warning track, fell down, and the run scored. He had also made an error or two in another game. He didn't help himself in other words.

    Also let's all remember: HOFer OAK RF Reggie Jackson was out for the entire '72 WS. In game 5 of the ALCS vs DET he was injured on a double steal. He stole home, but injured his leg on the play and was lost to the series.

    That OAK still defeated CIN anyway without Jackson speaks volumes of the depths of the roster. Had Reggie been healthy and played in the WS, OAK might have won in six games. (e.g. WAR, or Wins Above Replacement, or some such Jamesian nonsense that attributes Wins to nearly every single position player,....except the pitcher. How exactly does a team win a game if the pitcher is substandard and gives up runs? Bill James/Moneyball/Sabermetrics has yet to provide a sufficient answer as to why officially you shouldn't attribute WAR to pitchers, and starting pitchers in particular. Even though W's as an official stat have gone to the pitcher since the 1870's.)*

    *In the '72 WS, OAK had HOF's Rollie Fingers and Catfish Hunter, as well as borderline starter Vida Blue. Ken Holtzman also was a 20 game winner that season. So Blue, Hunter, and Holtzman were the Big Three of their era (plus a HOFer closer in Fingers), and have 3 WS championships to show for it.
    CIN's starters were at best middling to mediocre. Certainly not in the same league as the Big Three.
  56. In my darker musings about America’s future, I wonder if assimilated East Asians are going to prove to be America’s equivalent to 3rd Century Illyrians who revived Rome from near death…

  57. @The Alarmist

    "But to the New York Times, East Asians aren’t Diverse."
     
    Just coming off Linh Dinh's article on Malaysia, one can only wonder if Malaysians are Asians diverse enough to be deemed worthy by the NYT to be diverse, and whether it is their relative backwardness or some other characteristics that make them more worthy.

    Malaysia is a multi-ethnic, multi-confessional country: like in Singapore, the big three ethnic groups are Malays, Chinese, and Indians. The Chinese are mostly Cantonese and Hakka with smaller groups of Fujianese, Hainanese, etc, and the Indians are mostly Tamil, with both mamaks (Muslims) and Hindus.

    My guess is that Malays would count as “diverse”, the Chinese wouldn’t, and the Indians would be somewhere in between. Unfortunately for the Woke, the Malaysians they are most likely to encounter in the West or in the touristy places in Malaya are ethnic Chinese, who are richer and more prosperous than the Malays, despite active discriminatory laws against non-Malays. Malaysia’s undergone a pretty nasty brain drain because of them, and is now-almost in karmic fashion-looking to import far less tractable mainlanders to invest and do technical work in Malaysia.

  58. @Buffalo Joe
    Most guys I know started to play golf because their dad took them or they learned the game caddying at the local courses. All the women golfers I know play golf so they can belong to a CC and play occasionally with their husbands. I guess not a lot of blacks play golf because they have no one to take them along for a round. Are there any black women golf pros? And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

    Harold Varner III, a pretty regular African-American, is tied for 2nd in the PGA Championship, 7 strokes behind Koepka. He hasn’t won yet on tour, so this is his first real moment in the spotlight.

    Cameron Champ, 23, won a PGA tournament last fall. He doesn’t look all that black but his grandfather was quite black (unless he’s adopted).

    My impression is that blacks guys with some money like golf just as much as white guys. But not many of them play as teenagers. They tend to take it up in their 20s, by which time it’s too late to become a pro.

  59. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Thanks for trying to wake up the crowd around here. For all the intellectual firepower on this board, they can't seem to figure out the obvious: The other side hates you and wants you dead.

    That's it. That's all. Nothing more. Steve and the commentators feel so very clever when they point out the other side's hypocrisy or mock their inconsistencies. They don't get it. The other side aren't hypocrites or inconsistent. They don't really believe any of the stuff that they put out. It's all done with the goal of destroying you, your family, your people and your culture.

    Does their action move them closer to that goal? That's how they judge their consistency.

    The NYT isn't being inconsistent when it doesn't count Asians as diverse. Why? Because counting Asians as diverse would work against their goal of destroying gentile whites and their culture. That would be inconsistent with their goal, so they don't count Asians as diverse. Perfectly consistent.

    They hate you and want you, your family, your people and your culture wiped from the Earth. That's their motivation and their goal. Understand that, and you understand everything that's happening.

    FWIW, Anglo-types appear to be a distinct minority of the commenters here, and the rest range widely but include a number of anti-white voices.

    The only difference is that here, self-respecting Anglos are still permitted a voice, however small; and the anti-whites do not hold the whip hand as on MSM sites.

    It’s also worth noting that the crowd here appears to include a significant number of people claiming to be something other than what they really are, but such is free speech on the internet. I don’t mind, much.

  60. @Marty
    Come on, how do you blow the game in the 1st inning? How about that ground ball that Rose muffed by backing up on it? (Full disclosure: I didn't remember any of that- had to go to YT). By the way, Holtzman threw like he had a broken arm. How did he ever win?

    As a lifelong Reds fan I’ve never looked into that series. There be monsters.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, cause CIN choked. If Reggie was healthy and had played in '72 WS, it wouldn't have been close. Just ask him.
  61. @Honesthughgrant
    Asians girls dominate in Golf, because, Golf requires commitment. Lots of hours hitting golf balls. Lots of putting and chipping. Plus, you need a golf course. Even Johnny Miller found out that you can't put the clubs away for 3-4 months and still win. Most white girls, especially the pretty ones, don't want to do that. They'd rather do something more active, that requires less practice and keeps them slim. Spending hours alone on a golf range? Who needs it. Plus, Golf is seen as a "Boys Sport" by many girls.

    That was the LPGA problem for years. Their best players were either Lesbian or not really attractive. When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who's good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early. So, the East Asians, just filled the gap.

    In my neck of the woods during the ladies high school golf season (fall) the public courses are packed with high school girls teams. As an added bonus for them, ladies golf fashion has come along way and the teen girls have lots of choices to look “cute” while playing competitively.

  62. @Jim Christian
    The women's tour isn't a place of great wealth and they ain't that great looking as a group, many of them fat and mostly from overseas, it's hideous to watch. Very lesbo, too. Purses are a 10th or less of the purses on the men's tour. No one wants to watch hormonal lesbian chicks hit the ball 2/3 the distance of the men and on TV, the empty courses with the golfers and no fans look rather pathetic. Especially at the four men's majors and The Players, millions of fans pass through the gates to see the men tee it up over the course of the year and ad rates gotta be through the roof, golf is a valuable property to the networks that buy it.

    The women's tour, not nearly so, again, by a tenth. I've wondered when the women's groups would start squawking about the financial disparity.

    I hate to say this*, Jim, but whether it’s women’s or men’s golf, I could do without any of it. I only got to this post because the headline had nothing in it to clue me in, even with a ctrl-f on “boredom”, “tedium” and “knocking stupid little balls into cups in the grass”. Watching 5 minutes of it on TV by accident is one thing, but actually paying good money to be there …?

    As for the players, why don’t you all come out and admit that you just like the outdoors but are scared of black bears and cougars that you might see if you went hiking, and that you’re really out there to smoke a bowl or two? At least that latter part was true for the kids at my high school. Come to think of it, maybe that’s the only way to make 18 holes not last like a virtual lifetime.

    ;-}

    .

    * No, actually I LUV it.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    I used to hike with chicks up in the mountains in Virginia, but back then, I was a carrier of firearms. We had bears and two-legged human critters have been murdering boys, girls and lesbian couple on The Trail for a long time up there.. In the Boston region, guns are a no-no, so I stay off the hiking trails. Amazing to me how trusting are chicks that they go off on these jaunts completely unequipped to deal with being part of the food chain. So my hikes are on the golf course.

    As for you, I figured from the 737MAXX thread that you're a corporate sort, engineer perhaps, and those guys are all over the golf courses. Down in DC, they were all from VPI, here, they're from MIT. Same sorts, though. The best apparel, the latest irons and woods, not a one of em can buy a short game or a putt for 50 bucks. You should give it a try. Put a ball in the air. It gets additive believe it or not. Depending on where you play, you can cross paths with a gator, a bear and her cubs, or a moose out for a run. And sometimes, a sucker with a pocket fulla money who likes to press and double down.

    I'm 62 these days, I dunno if it's legal to smoke dope at this age but a couple of times a year I do carry an ounce down for a brother in Florida who's suffering a bit from cancer and can't get the stuff. If the golfers are smoking dope on the course, they're far better at hiding it than the passengers on the T to Boston. Me, I'd rather dip my toe into a couple of fingers of scotch..
  63. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are genetically indistinguishable.
     
    Well, I have no problem telling the men from the women. It's easier than in the West.

    You totally missed the point. It was about distinguishing people within each population. You must be very young if you've never heard "They all look alike to me."


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect

    https://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-cory-booker-eric-holder-look-alike-joke-2018-10

    That involves cultural affect. Homo sapiens exhibit among the least body metamorphism in mammalia.

    Little to do with genetics of course.

  64. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Liberals only care about two groups of people:

    1) Uber rich liberal whites, esp. those active in virtue signaling

    and

    2) Black men at all economic levels, esp. the white hating DNC voting ones
     
    You forgot homosexuals. They care more about homosexuals than about blacks.

    Check your intersectionality tables bro. Im going to have to send you back for some more intensive sensitivity training camp work. This time at your cost…

  65. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @australiansrcowards
    whites are the clumsieist race of all

    Best hand eye coordination. By alot.

  66. @Marty
    Come on, how do you blow the game in the 1st inning? How about that ground ball that Rose muffed by backing up on it? (Full disclosure: I didn't remember any of that- had to go to YT). By the way, Holtzman threw like he had a broken arm. How did he ever win?

    Na-no, this was like in the later innings, more like the 6th or 7th. Tolan suffered a hamstring pull while going back toward the warning track, fell down, and the run scored. He had also made an error or two in another game. He didn’t help himself in other words.

    Also let’s all remember: HOFer OAK RF Reggie Jackson was out for the entire ’72 WS. In game 5 of the ALCS vs DET he was injured on a double steal. He stole home, but injured his leg on the play and was lost to the series.

    That OAK still defeated CIN anyway without Jackson speaks volumes of the depths of the roster. Had Reggie been healthy and played in the WS, OAK might have won in six games. (e.g. WAR, or Wins Above Replacement, or some such Jamesian nonsense that attributes Wins to nearly every single position player,….except the pitcher. How exactly does a team win a game if the pitcher is substandard and gives up runs? Bill James/Moneyball/Sabermetrics has yet to provide a sufficient answer as to why officially you shouldn’t attribute WAR to pitchers, and starting pitchers in particular. Even though W’s as an official stat have gone to the pitcher since the 1870’s.)*

    *In the ’72 WS, OAK had HOF’s Rollie Fingers and Catfish Hunter, as well as borderline starter Vida Blue. Ken Holtzman also was a 20 game winner that season. So Blue, Hunter, and Holtzman were the Big Three of their era (plus a HOFer closer in Fingers), and have 3 WS championships to show for it.
    CIN’s starters were at best middling to mediocre. Certainly not in the same league as the Big Three.

  67. @sanjoaquinsam

    And other than Tiger, a biracial golfer, are there any black pros?

     

    J.J. Spaun, Harold Varner, Cameron Champ. Spaun and Champ appear to be mixed race.

    To be fair, he may also have meant are there any black PGAers who are dominant on the tour? How many have won majors and finish in the top three at the majors year after year? With that context, the answer of course remains zero. Because….uh, if there was another black golfer who was as dominant as Eldrick was back during his prime, the MSM would be all over it in promoting them/him as the second coming of greatness.

  68. @Desiderius
    As a lifelong Reds fan I’ve never looked into that series. There be monsters.

    Yeah, cause CIN choked. If Reggie was healthy and had played in ’72 WS, it wouldn’t have been close. Just ask him.

  69. @Jim Christian
    Koepka's a beast, for now. And, that course is a monster. Tiger missed a lot of fairways and on that course, it's a no-no. Lots of shots in the thick rough Tiger just bumped the ball into the fairway where as Koepka was taking shots out of the same rough to the green as Tiger would have 15 years ago. Tiger's saving his back, he can't play as aggressively as he used to. Koepka works out a lot, his mechanics will change at the same pace as Tiger's when he was young. It''ll be interesting to see if Keopka can re-do his swing.

    Amazing, Brooks almost blew it to Dustin Johnson today, shooting a 74 (+4). Starting the day, 4 golfers including Johnson were 7 behind, but Jazz shot a 77, Luke List also shot a 74, and Varner completely choked with an 81. Only DJ broke par at 69, but it wasn’t enough.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    You stuck with it, did you? You're a better golf fan than I. When I saw the blowup in a report I went and watched the holes he bogeyed one after the other. But Koepka to me is a robot. They all seem to be on beta-blockers for their nerves, there is nary an F-bomb to be heard in the game today on TV, all the characters are gone, Tiger is the last of them to express his rage, throw a club, curse his fate on the course. Tiger is unique because forget the money, he wants to WIN.

    The rest of them are content to rake in their millions for being somewhere in the top 125, they couldn't care less if they win, just get on TV a few times a season and pick up the endorsements win, lose or draw. Koepka's one of them. Fowler, Speith, there are dozens of 'lurkers' that overall are just raking cash, not really competing. The PGA Tour needs to adjust their format badly. As they've rinsed the game and sanitized it, without the intensity of Tiger Woods and before him, Fuzzy and Fred Couples and Faldo and lots of other guys that were volcanoes, The televised game is going to get awfully boring. They need to pare the tour from the top 125 down to top-sixty and ties and stack the money, all of it, into the top ten. If they want it interesting, no one should be picking up a check for finishing outside the top ten and 80% of THAT should be spread only to the top three.
  70. @Honesthughgrant
    Asians girls dominate in Golf, because, Golf requires commitment. Lots of hours hitting golf balls. Lots of putting and chipping. Plus, you need a golf course. Even Johnny Miller found out that you can't put the clubs away for 3-4 months and still win. Most white girls, especially the pretty ones, don't want to do that. They'd rather do something more active, that requires less practice and keeps them slim. Spending hours alone on a golf range? Who needs it. Plus, Golf is seen as a "Boys Sport" by many girls.

    That was the LPGA problem for years. Their best players were either Lesbian or not really attractive. When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who's good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early. So, the East Asians, just filled the gap.

    When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who’s good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early.

    She won the Chick-Fil-A at 40, the same age she finished 2nd in the US Open, so I don’t think that qualifies as retiring early. Besides, she could have easily retired at 25 when she married Ray Knight.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    At CIN, Ray Knight was supposed to be the successor to Pete Rose, the Ted Williams (or Babe Ruth) of singles and doubles. He didn't come close to replacing Rose, but he redeemed himself as '86 WS MVP and scored the winning run for NY.
  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    I hate to say this*, Jim, but whether it's women's or men's golf, I could do without any of it. I only got to this post because the headline had nothing in it to clue me in, even with a ctrl-f on "boredom", "tedium" and "knocking stupid little balls into cups in the grass". Watching 5 minutes of it on TV by accident is one thing, but actually paying good money to be there ...?

    As for the players, why don't you all come out and admit that you just like the outdoors but are scared of black bears and cougars that you might see if you went hiking, and that you're really out there to smoke a bowl or two? At least that latter part was true for the kids at my high school. Come to think of it, maybe that's the only way to make 18 holes not last like a virtual lifetime.

    ;-}

    .

    * No, actually I LUV it.

    I used to hike with chicks up in the mountains in Virginia, but back then, I was a carrier of firearms. We had bears and two-legged human critters have been murdering boys, girls and lesbian couple on The Trail for a long time up there.. In the Boston region, guns are a no-no, so I stay off the hiking trails. Amazing to me how trusting are chicks that they go off on these jaunts completely unequipped to deal with being part of the food chain. So my hikes are on the golf course.

    As for you, I figured from the 737MAXX thread that you’re a corporate sort, engineer perhaps, and those guys are all over the golf courses. Down in DC, they were all from VPI, here, they’re from MIT. Same sorts, though. The best apparel, the latest irons and woods, not a one of em can buy a short game or a putt for 50 bucks. You should give it a try. Put a ball in the air. It gets additive believe it or not. Depending on where you play, you can cross paths with a gator, a bear and her cubs, or a moose out for a run. And sometimes, a sucker with a pocket fulla money who likes to press and double down.

    I’m 62 these days, I dunno if it’s legal to smoke dope at this age but a couple of times a year I do carry an ounce down for a brother in Florida who’s suffering a bit from cancer and can’t get the stuff. If the golfers are smoking dope on the course, they’re far better at hiding it than the passengers on the T to Boston. Me, I’d rather dip my toe into a couple of fingers of scotch..

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for the entertaining comment, Jim! I give Steve and others a hard time about golf, but I'm just not keen to try it. (I do like driving the buggy around, don't get me wrong). You do make a very good pitch for it, though. I'm not really a gambler either, so that part doesn't excite me.

    The short range part of golf (everything except the drives) is probably a lot like shooting pool, which I do like. You have to concentrate enough, but not TOO MUCH, or it just doesn't work. Muscle memory is important. On the other hand, in golf, the surface has got all sorts of variables, UNLIKE a good granite-top pool table, meaning more thinking in golf, in that respect.

    Those doper high school kids were doing that about 30 years ago or more - I guess now they could do it at home with fewer repercussions. I think back then they didn't have to hide it, because they played after school on weekdays when perhaps everyone out there was a dope-smoking preppie kid, haha.

    Lastly, out in the woods where I used to go, I never got to see those animals, but they were known to be out there. I only carried a gun with me a few times, but man, if someone were up to no good, that's the place he could get away with it.

    PS: Good on you helping your (or "a") brother like that!
  72. @ScarletNumber
    Amazing, Brooks almost blew it to Dustin Johnson today, shooting a 74 (+4). Starting the day, 4 golfers including Johnson were 7 behind, but Jazz shot a 77, Luke List also shot a 74, and Varner completely choked with an 81. Only DJ broke par at 69, but it wasn't enough.

    You stuck with it, did you? You’re a better golf fan than I. When I saw the blowup in a report I went and watched the holes he bogeyed one after the other. But Koepka to me is a robot. They all seem to be on beta-blockers for their nerves, there is nary an F-bomb to be heard in the game today on TV, all the characters are gone, Tiger is the last of them to express his rage, throw a club, curse his fate on the course. Tiger is unique because forget the money, he wants to WIN.

    The rest of them are content to rake in their millions for being somewhere in the top 125, they couldn’t care less if they win, just get on TV a few times a season and pick up the endorsements win, lose or draw. Koepka’s one of them. Fowler, Speith, there are dozens of ‘lurkers’ that overall are just raking cash, not really competing. The PGA Tour needs to adjust their format badly. As they’ve rinsed the game and sanitized it, without the intensity of Tiger Woods and before him, Fuzzy and Fred Couples and Faldo and lots of other guys that were volcanoes, The televised game is going to get awfully boring. They need to pare the tour from the top 125 down to top-sixty and ties and stack the money, all of it, into the top ten. If they want it interesting, no one should be picking up a check for finishing outside the top ten and 80% of THAT should be spread only to the top three.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Koepka isn't a terribly charismatic personality but he does win the majors.

    His friend Dustin Johnson is a more "interesting" personality, but he doesn't win the majors very often.

    If you want to make golf more interesting, schedule an annual tournament at Shadow Creek in Nevada and have the tournament sponsors subsidize players betting on themselves. If they bet $100k and win, they get $200k ($100k from their opponent, $100k from the sponsor). But if they lose, they have to pay $100k.

    Much of the glamor of golf was that famous old golfers were gamblers.

    Mickelson is a huge gambler on other sports and the stock market (just evading an insider trading rap a few years ago). Imagine how exciting golf would have been if Phil had been betting Tiger a few million on the final round of big tournaments.

    , @Desiderius
    Speith is such a competitor he's already given himself the yips.

    Koepka's a silverback. They dominate via utter control of their emotions. Men used to have a stronger sense for those sorts of things.

    Faldo was actually pretty boring in his prime. The Ivan Lendl of golf.

  73. @Jim Christian
    You stuck with it, did you? You're a better golf fan than I. When I saw the blowup in a report I went and watched the holes he bogeyed one after the other. But Koepka to me is a robot. They all seem to be on beta-blockers for their nerves, there is nary an F-bomb to be heard in the game today on TV, all the characters are gone, Tiger is the last of them to express his rage, throw a club, curse his fate on the course. Tiger is unique because forget the money, he wants to WIN.

    The rest of them are content to rake in their millions for being somewhere in the top 125, they couldn't care less if they win, just get on TV a few times a season and pick up the endorsements win, lose or draw. Koepka's one of them. Fowler, Speith, there are dozens of 'lurkers' that overall are just raking cash, not really competing. The PGA Tour needs to adjust their format badly. As they've rinsed the game and sanitized it, without the intensity of Tiger Woods and before him, Fuzzy and Fred Couples and Faldo and lots of other guys that were volcanoes, The televised game is going to get awfully boring. They need to pare the tour from the top 125 down to top-sixty and ties and stack the money, all of it, into the top ten. If they want it interesting, no one should be picking up a check for finishing outside the top ten and 80% of THAT should be spread only to the top three.

    Koepka isn’t a terribly charismatic personality but he does win the majors.

    His friend Dustin Johnson is a more “interesting” personality, but he doesn’t win the majors very often.

    If you want to make golf more interesting, schedule an annual tournament at Shadow Creek in Nevada and have the tournament sponsors subsidize players betting on themselves. If they bet $100k and win, they get $200k ($100k from their opponent, $100k from the sponsor). But if they lose, they have to pay $100k.

    Much of the glamor of golf was that famous old golfers were gamblers.

    Mickelson is a huge gambler on other sports and the stock market (just evading an insider trading rap a few years ago). Imagine how exciting golf would have been if Phil had been betting Tiger a few million on the final round of big tournaments.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Didn't Jordan Speith win a few majors a few yrs ago? He's still a contender.

    Also, no doubt that the sport got a decent sized boost decades ago, when British royalty were photographed playing on the course with their drivers and wedges. As a sport, especially compared to gauche prole-based WWE, and soccer, Golf, like horse racing, has been the sport of kings and attracts the right sort at the highest levels.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Eldrick is a tightwad, as well as a notoriously bad tipper. Parting with a dollar would be the height of a nervous breakdown. Doesn't add up that Elin got away with as much as $100 million (allegedly), and that's pretty cheap compared to what she could've gotten had they lived in CA.
  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    Your theory about the Oriental women flooding the women's pro golf scene is one thing, but how about money? All of those countries have come a long way* in those couple of decades. Though they don't have nearly as much room for golf courses in those crowded lands, they are at least as big Americans on prestige and flaunting one's wealth, so perhaps it was just a big wealth increase that got them on the courses. Then, again, that wouldn't explain why there aren't many Oriental men this good. Perhaps your theory is sound.

    Either way, your main point is that this is not considered diversity because the sport is not majority black. "Diverse" means majority black, but the on-line dictionaries just haven't caught up yet.

    BTW, who looked better in those golf skirts, the American or the Orientals (especially those Koreans)? Be honest about it. That's the only reason I read through a post of yours on this boring-ass game to begin with ... expecting some close-rear-angle shots of some good putting, to, like check out the follow-through.

    .

    * True, there must have been lots of rich Japanese people since the 1980's, but then I don't see a rising sun flag in your top 8.

    What a poorly written comment. The word salad you’ve devised is quite remarkable, actually. Perhaps I should commend you.

  75. @ScarletNumber

    When someone like Nancy Lopez started to win, the press went crazy. Finally, a straight pretty girl who’s good at golf! But she got tired of Golf and retired early.
     
    She won the Chick-Fil-A at 40, the same age she finished 2nd in the US Open, so I don't think that qualifies as retiring early. Besides, she could have easily retired at 25 when she married Ray Knight.

    At CIN, Ray Knight was supposed to be the successor to Pete Rose, the Ted Williams (or Babe Ruth) of singles and doubles. He didn’t come close to replacing Rose, but he redeemed himself as ’86 WS MVP and scored the winning run for NY.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Rose was the 3B for the Reds for the last 4 years of his first stint in CIN, but they figured they had Knight to replace him, so they let him become a Phillie in free agency. Rose, of course, led the Phillies to their first World Series win in 1980, while the Reds were lousy for the most part. Knight himself left for Houston in 1982, which is where he met Nancy.

    Rose started 8 ASG for the NL from 1965-82 at 5 different positions, which has to be a record.

    As for Knight, he played in the 80 and 82 ASG, starting neither. He was also involved in one of the most games in baseball history on July 22, 1986.

    https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-22-1986-mets-win-extra-inning-slugfest-brawl-and-home-run
  76. @Steve Sailer
    Koepka isn't a terribly charismatic personality but he does win the majors.

    His friend Dustin Johnson is a more "interesting" personality, but he doesn't win the majors very often.

    If you want to make golf more interesting, schedule an annual tournament at Shadow Creek in Nevada and have the tournament sponsors subsidize players betting on themselves. If they bet $100k and win, they get $200k ($100k from their opponent, $100k from the sponsor). But if they lose, they have to pay $100k.

    Much of the glamor of golf was that famous old golfers were gamblers.

    Mickelson is a huge gambler on other sports and the stock market (just evading an insider trading rap a few years ago). Imagine how exciting golf would have been if Phil had been betting Tiger a few million on the final round of big tournaments.

    Didn’t Jordan Speith win a few majors a few yrs ago? He’s still a contender.

    Also, no doubt that the sport got a decent sized boost decades ago, when British royalty were photographed playing on the course with their drivers and wedges. As a sport, especially compared to gauche prole-based WWE, and soccer, Golf, like horse racing, has been the sport of kings and attracts the right sort at the highest levels.

  77. @Steve Sailer
    Koepka isn't a terribly charismatic personality but he does win the majors.

    His friend Dustin Johnson is a more "interesting" personality, but he doesn't win the majors very often.

    If you want to make golf more interesting, schedule an annual tournament at Shadow Creek in Nevada and have the tournament sponsors subsidize players betting on themselves. If they bet $100k and win, they get $200k ($100k from their opponent, $100k from the sponsor). But if they lose, they have to pay $100k.

    Much of the glamor of golf was that famous old golfers were gamblers.

    Mickelson is a huge gambler on other sports and the stock market (just evading an insider trading rap a few years ago). Imagine how exciting golf would have been if Phil had been betting Tiger a few million on the final round of big tournaments.

    Eldrick is a tightwad, as well as a notoriously bad tipper. Parting with a dollar would be the height of a nervous breakdown. Doesn’t add up that Elin got away with as much as $100 million (allegedly), and that’s pretty cheap compared to what she could’ve gotten had they lived in CA.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Why is divorce expensive? Because it's worth it.
  78. @Jim Christian
    You stuck with it, did you? You're a better golf fan than I. When I saw the blowup in a report I went and watched the holes he bogeyed one after the other. But Koepka to me is a robot. They all seem to be on beta-blockers for their nerves, there is nary an F-bomb to be heard in the game today on TV, all the characters are gone, Tiger is the last of them to express his rage, throw a club, curse his fate on the course. Tiger is unique because forget the money, he wants to WIN.

    The rest of them are content to rake in their millions for being somewhere in the top 125, they couldn't care less if they win, just get on TV a few times a season and pick up the endorsements win, lose or draw. Koepka's one of them. Fowler, Speith, there are dozens of 'lurkers' that overall are just raking cash, not really competing. The PGA Tour needs to adjust their format badly. As they've rinsed the game and sanitized it, without the intensity of Tiger Woods and before him, Fuzzy and Fred Couples and Faldo and lots of other guys that were volcanoes, The televised game is going to get awfully boring. They need to pare the tour from the top 125 down to top-sixty and ties and stack the money, all of it, into the top ten. If they want it interesting, no one should be picking up a check for finishing outside the top ten and 80% of THAT should be spread only to the top three.

    Speith is such a competitor he’s already given himself the yips.

    Koepka’s a silverback. They dominate via utter control of their emotions. Men used to have a stronger sense for those sorts of things.

    Faldo was actually pretty boring in his prime. The Ivan Lendl of golf.

  79. Dustin Johnson, yeah, forgot about him. While I respect a pussy-hound who enjoys the bounty on the Tour, DJ likes to get caught banging other player’s and caddies’ wives and girlfriends in the back of the limo. There are women aplenty out there, so the banging of the wives and girlfriends isn’t necessary.

    Anyone see Koepka ice his girlfriend on the way into Round 4 yesterday? I thought she was gonna cry:
    https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/golf-brooks-koepka-denies-girlfriend-kiss/daf7ced3-7292-412b-9981-9f4164a8cc1e

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Straight out of Roissy. She was mad, not sad. The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. She definitely was not indifferent.
  80. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Eldrick is a tightwad, as well as a notoriously bad tipper. Parting with a dollar would be the height of a nervous breakdown. Doesn't add up that Elin got away with as much as $100 million (allegedly), and that's pretty cheap compared to what she could've gotten had they lived in CA.

    Why is divorce expensive? Because it’s worth it.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    That doesn’t make much sense. Elin got screwed out of some major money. Should’ve gotten half of his fortune. But, they didn’t live in CA.
  81. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    At CIN, Ray Knight was supposed to be the successor to Pete Rose, the Ted Williams (or Babe Ruth) of singles and doubles. He didn't come close to replacing Rose, but he redeemed himself as '86 WS MVP and scored the winning run for NY.

    Rose was the 3B for the Reds for the last 4 years of his first stint in CIN, but they figured they had Knight to replace him, so they let him become a Phillie in free agency. Rose, of course, led the Phillies to their first World Series win in 1980, while the Reds were lousy for the most part. Knight himself left for Houston in 1982, which is where he met Nancy.

    Rose started 8 ASG for the NL from 1965-82 at 5 different positions, which has to be a record.

    As for Knight, he played in the 80 and 82 ASG, starting neither. He was also involved in one of the most games in baseball history on July 22, 1986.

    https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-22-1986-mets-win-extra-inning-slugfest-brawl-and-home-run

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The Reds were division champs in ‘79 and had the best record in baseball in ‘81. They were bad for a couple years but by the time they got Cincinnati native Dave Parker they were back in business.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I can’t believe you put journeyman Ray Knight in the same sentence with the all time hits leader, who’s also up among all time leaders in G, AB, and Runs Scored. Rose played in 6 WS and has 3 rings. Knight was an after thought, the front office didn’t consider the fact that Rose would continue to play at a consistent level for as long as he did. In ‘78, his final year with CIN, (first go round), he had a 44 game hitting streak. And he was 37 yrs old. The next year, at 38, he had his tenth 200+ H season.

    I’m honestly not seeing Knight as an upgrade for Rose’s departure. I mean, he was one of the most dominant and consistent singles/doubles hitters in MLB history.

    One could mention that a reason CIN was swept in 79 NLCS was due to the fact that Rose had left for PHL.

  82. @Jim Christian
    Dustin Johnson, yeah, forgot about him. While I respect a pussy-hound who enjoys the bounty on the Tour, DJ likes to get caught banging other player's and caddies' wives and girlfriends in the back of the limo. There are women aplenty out there, so the banging of the wives and girlfriends isn't necessary.

    Anyone see Koepka ice his girlfriend on the way into Round 4 yesterday? I thought she was gonna cry:
    https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/golf-brooks-koepka-denies-girlfriend-kiss/daf7ced3-7292-412b-9981-9f4164a8cc1e

    Straight out of Roissy. She was mad, not sad. The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. She definitely was not indifferent.

  83. @ScarletNumber
    Rose was the 3B for the Reds for the last 4 years of his first stint in CIN, but they figured they had Knight to replace him, so they let him become a Phillie in free agency. Rose, of course, led the Phillies to their first World Series win in 1980, while the Reds were lousy for the most part. Knight himself left for Houston in 1982, which is where he met Nancy.

    Rose started 8 ASG for the NL from 1965-82 at 5 different positions, which has to be a record.

    As for Knight, he played in the 80 and 82 ASG, starting neither. He was also involved in one of the most games in baseball history on July 22, 1986.

    https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-22-1986-mets-win-extra-inning-slugfest-brawl-and-home-run

    The Reds were division champs in ‘79 and had the best record in baseball in ‘81. They were bad for a couple years but by the time they got Cincinnati native Dave Parker they were back in business.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    Yes, that's why I said "for the most part"
  84. @Jim Christian
    I used to hike with chicks up in the mountains in Virginia, but back then, I was a carrier of firearms. We had bears and two-legged human critters have been murdering boys, girls and lesbian couple on The Trail for a long time up there.. In the Boston region, guns are a no-no, so I stay off the hiking trails. Amazing to me how trusting are chicks that they go off on these jaunts completely unequipped to deal with being part of the food chain. So my hikes are on the golf course.

    As for you, I figured from the 737MAXX thread that you're a corporate sort, engineer perhaps, and those guys are all over the golf courses. Down in DC, they were all from VPI, here, they're from MIT. Same sorts, though. The best apparel, the latest irons and woods, not a one of em can buy a short game or a putt for 50 bucks. You should give it a try. Put a ball in the air. It gets additive believe it or not. Depending on where you play, you can cross paths with a gator, a bear and her cubs, or a moose out for a run. And sometimes, a sucker with a pocket fulla money who likes to press and double down.

    I'm 62 these days, I dunno if it's legal to smoke dope at this age but a couple of times a year I do carry an ounce down for a brother in Florida who's suffering a bit from cancer and can't get the stuff. If the golfers are smoking dope on the course, they're far better at hiding it than the passengers on the T to Boston. Me, I'd rather dip my toe into a couple of fingers of scotch..

    Thanks for the entertaining comment, Jim! I give Steve and others a hard time about golf, but I’m just not keen to try it. (I do like driving the buggy around, don’t get me wrong). You do make a very good pitch for it, though. I’m not really a gambler either, so that part doesn’t excite me.

    The short range part of golf (everything except the drives) is probably a lot like shooting pool, which I do like. You have to concentrate enough, but not TOO MUCH, or it just doesn’t work. Muscle memory is important. On the other hand, in golf, the surface has got all sorts of variables, UNLIKE a good granite-top pool table, meaning more thinking in golf, in that respect.

    Those doper high school kids were doing that about 30 years ago or more – I guess now they could do it at home with fewer repercussions. I think back then they didn’t have to hide it, because they played after school on weekdays when perhaps everyone out there was a dope-smoking preppie kid, haha.

    Lastly, out in the woods where I used to go, I never got to see those animals, but they were known to be out there. I only carried a gun with me a few times, but man, if someone were up to no good, that’s the place he could get away with it.

    PS: Good on you helping your (or “a”) brother like that!

  85. @Desiderius
    The Reds were division champs in ‘79 and had the best record in baseball in ‘81. They were bad for a couple years but by the time they got Cincinnati native Dave Parker they were back in business.

    Yes, that’s why I said “for the most part”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    I thought those years were bad too until the last five set me straight.
  86. @Jim Christian
    Why is divorce expensive? Because it's worth it.

    That doesn’t make much sense. Elin got screwed out of some major money. Should’ve gotten half of his fortune. But, they didn’t live in CA.

  87. @ScarletNumber
    Rose was the 3B for the Reds for the last 4 years of his first stint in CIN, but they figured they had Knight to replace him, so they let him become a Phillie in free agency. Rose, of course, led the Phillies to their first World Series win in 1980, while the Reds were lousy for the most part. Knight himself left for Houston in 1982, which is where he met Nancy.

    Rose started 8 ASG for the NL from 1965-82 at 5 different positions, which has to be a record.

    As for Knight, he played in the 80 and 82 ASG, starting neither. He was also involved in one of the most games in baseball history on July 22, 1986.

    https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-22-1986-mets-win-extra-inning-slugfest-brawl-and-home-run

    I can’t believe you put journeyman Ray Knight in the same sentence with the all time hits leader, who’s also up among all time leaders in G, AB, and Runs Scored. Rose played in 6 WS and has 3 rings. Knight was an after thought, the front office didn’t consider the fact that Rose would continue to play at a consistent level for as long as he did. In ‘78, his final year with CIN, (first go round), he had a 44 game hitting streak. And he was 37 yrs old. The next year, at 38, he had his tenth 200+ H season.

    I’m honestly not seeing Knight as an upgrade for Rose’s departure. I mean, he was one of the most dominant and consistent singles/doubles hitters in MLB history.

    One could mention that a reason CIN was swept in 79 NLCS was due to the fact that Rose had left for PHL.

  88. @Jim Don Bob
    I never understood the white boy fascination for Tiger, but he is great for ratings. He was playing with Brooks Koepka on Thursday. The first hole they played was a 500 yard par 4. Koepka birdied it and Tiger double bogeyed, so Tiger was three shots behind after just one hole.

    Years ago, I saw an interview with Lee Trevino where he was pointing out that Tom Watson was hitting the ball further in his 60s than he was in his 20s. It’s all about the equipment, especially the ball. Rory McIlroy is slightly taller than me, and about the same weight. Fifty years ago, I used to do a lot of weight training while playing. Now, I was never a scratch golfer, but was known as a big hitter, normally around 275-280 and on exceptional days, I could get to 300 maybe once in the round. McIlroy’s average is about 325. Yeah, I know he’s a better golfer, but 45-50 yards more on average is gigantic.
    Woods benefited immensely from the change. I couldn’t understand all the hype about Woods after the Masters. The reality is that he didn’t win, Molinari lost, when he uncharacteristically gassed a lead.
    Funny how he’s always called “Black” never Asian.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Also, as Steve made mention some time ago, suppose that PEDS were being used in golf around the same time as improved equipment? Is it not conceivable that just as the other major sports were witnessing massive amounts of PEDS among its players that so to PED usage had increased among pro golfers as well? If not why is it so difficult to fathom that some golfers were juicing?

    Including Eldrick as well?

  89. @ScarletNumber
    Yes, that's why I said "for the most part"

    I thought those years were bad too until the last five set me straight.

  90. @Curmudgeon
    Years ago, I saw an interview with Lee Trevino where he was pointing out that Tom Watson was hitting the ball further in his 60s than he was in his 20s. It's all about the equipment, especially the ball. Rory McIlroy is slightly taller than me, and about the same weight. Fifty years ago, I used to do a lot of weight training while playing. Now, I was never a scratch golfer, but was known as a big hitter, normally around 275-280 and on exceptional days, I could get to 300 maybe once in the round. McIlroy's average is about 325. Yeah, I know he's a better golfer, but 45-50 yards more on average is gigantic.
    Woods benefited immensely from the change. I couldn't understand all the hype about Woods after the Masters. The reality is that he didn't win, Molinari lost, when he uncharacteristically gassed a lead.
    Funny how he's always called "Black" never Asian.

    Also, as Steve made mention some time ago, suppose that PEDS were being used in golf around the same time as improved equipment? Is it not conceivable that just as the other major sports were witnessing massive amounts of PEDS among its players that so to PED usage had increased among pro golfers as well? If not why is it so difficult to fathom that some golfers were juicing?

    Including Eldrick as well?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Tiger's peak driving distance was 2005. In 2004, he'd fallen to #2 behind Vijay Singh, about whom there have been suspicions because he peaked after age 40. Also, Tiger was getting into his leave golf and join the Navy SEALs phase.
  91. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Also, as Steve made mention some time ago, suppose that PEDS were being used in golf around the same time as improved equipment? Is it not conceivable that just as the other major sports were witnessing massive amounts of PEDS among its players that so to PED usage had increased among pro golfers as well? If not why is it so difficult to fathom that some golfers were juicing?

    Including Eldrick as well?

    Tiger’s peak driving distance was 2005. In 2004, he’d fallen to #2 behind Vijay Singh, about whom there have been suspicions because he peaked after age 40. Also, Tiger was getting into his leave golf and join the Navy SEALs phase.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, and I believe you did imply that Eldrick himself conceivably could have used PEDS. Would also notice that all of a sudden, after a ten plus yr drought of a Major win, "suddenly" he wins the Masters? Come on. I understand that a number of injuries have prevented him from playing at peak performance, but at age 43, he isn't the same dominant player of fifteen years ago. Witness his performance in last week's PGA championship. The competition level has also greatly improved since the early 2000's. Suppose that Eldrick's 2019 Masters win is the final hurrah of his career, much like Nichlaus's final Major win in '86?

    I'm sorry, I just can't help feeling that Nichlaus has been getting surpassed in the court of public opinion as to who the greatest golfer ever was. It's not Jack's fault that he played his career before the advent of the internet. The greatest golfer, obviously, should be the one who wins the most Majors. Period. Until that time comes, then Jack Nichlaus has to be considered the greatest professional to ever have played on the PGA tour.
  92. @Steve Sailer
    Tiger's peak driving distance was 2005. In 2004, he'd fallen to #2 behind Vijay Singh, about whom there have been suspicions because he peaked after age 40. Also, Tiger was getting into his leave golf and join the Navy SEALs phase.

    Yes, and I believe you did imply that Eldrick himself conceivably could have used PEDS. Would also notice that all of a sudden, after a ten plus yr drought of a Major win, “suddenly” he wins the Masters? Come on. I understand that a number of injuries have prevented him from playing at peak performance, but at age 43, he isn’t the same dominant player of fifteen years ago. Witness his performance in last week’s PGA championship. The competition level has also greatly improved since the early 2000’s. Suppose that Eldrick’s 2019 Masters win is the final hurrah of his career, much like Nichlaus’s final Major win in ’86?

    I’m sorry, I just can’t help feeling that Nichlaus has been getting surpassed in the court of public opinion as to who the greatest golfer ever was. It’s not Jack’s fault that he played his career before the advent of the internet. The greatest golfer, obviously, should be the one who wins the most Majors. Period. Until that time comes, then Jack Nichlaus has to be considered the greatest professional to ever have played on the PGA tour.

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