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From ArtNet News:

Ex-Comedian Michael Portnoy on How Performance Art Can Exorcise Your Alt-Right Demons

The irreverent artist discusses his trailblazing brand of “extreme participation” and the political power of satire.
Lorena Muñoz-Alonso, June 22, 2017

Performance art is having a moment.

If you are a really talented performance artist like Andy Kaufman, David Byrne, Beck, or Lady Gaga, they don’t call you a performance artist, they call you a ground-breaking comedian or a rock star and you make a lot of money. Circus du Soleil and Blue Man Group are performance art troupes that are seldom called that because they have made themselves into lucrative brand names.

If you are not very talented, however, you are just a performance artist. This guy Michael Portnoy used to be a comedian but now he is a performance artist, which may tell you something.

… [Michael Portnoy’s] latest work, Progressive Touch—Total Body Language Reprogramming (2017), was performed in Berlin for 20 viewers, one spectator at a time. The performance required that each subject be a white male. The subject would then be escorted to an undisclosed location. Once there, the subject would strip down naked. Portnoy and collaborator Lily McMenamy would then sing directly into the participant’s pubic bone for 45 minutes in order to reprogram “the corrupted source code of the white male.” …

“Directing sound into the pubic bone, which is the loudest resonator in the human body, causes the top of the cervical spine to pulse into the base of the skull at a frequency, which interferes with the rhythm of electrical pulses between neurons. Progressive Touch—TBLR overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes—in this case prejudice, privilege, racism, and sexism—by flooding the system with overly complex and unpredictable vocal rhythms, similar to those of progressive rock.” …

“Subjects came out of the sessions looking a bit shell shocked. The experience is quite overwhelming, kind of like being brainwashed. Their naked bodies are contorted over nine different sculptural wooden furniture units, while Lily and I confuse the hell out of them and pummel their pubis with proto-language in constantly morphing and overlapping time signatures. It evokes very strong emotional responses. It’s too soon to tell what the effects were on the Berlin subjects, but during the development of the piece, people reported later feeling more open-minded, empathetic, and rejuvenated.”

Commenter Kihowi suggests: “Portnoy’s complaint seems to be a lack of talent.”

 
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  1. Burn the world

    Also, if I’m assuming correctly, the elephant in the room is that Portnoy’s homosexual?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Roderick Spode


    Also, if I’m assuming correctly, the elephant in the room is that Portnoy’s homosexual?
     
    No, but he does want to bugger the elephant.
  2. Similarly, great art with symbolism is just great art. Bad art with symbolism is praised for its symbolism.

    Bonus joke: Portnoy’s complaint seems to be a lack of talent.

  3. A guy named Portnoy is yelling at a white man’s junk and calling it art?

    1969 just arced around to eat its own tail.

    About damn time.

  4. while Lily and I confuse the hell out of them and pummel their pubis with proto-language

    The alliteration makes it sound extra dirty.

  5. “Lily and I confuse the hell out of them …”

    I believe that part.

  6. WTF? Singing into the pubic bone…

    I think the idea, “I thought I’d heard it all, until…” can be retired. New forms of inanity, lunacy, dysfunction, incomprehension, are created on a daily basis…

  7. David Sedaris recounts his shameful career as a performance artist. Recorded before a live audience by KUOW Seattle. — David Sedaris

    Act Two. Still Life.
    https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/73/blame-it-on-art

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @George

    Has Steve ever written about Sedaris' claim to have scored very low on an IQ test?

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a198/used-smart-guy-1199/

  8. There’s definitely something about performance art in the zeitgeist of the elites these days.

    All the New York billionaires are giving a few pennies to a brand-new “performance space,” while existing museums are adding more space for performance

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/arts/design/michael-bloomberg-gives-75-million-to-shed-arts-center.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/arts/design/moma-redesign-art-expansion.html

    I think the most highly-publicized episode consisted of thousands of liberal-arts graduates waiting in line for weeks to sit across the table from, and stare at, performance diva Marina Abramovic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/07/wait-why-did-that-woman-sit-in-the-moma-for-750-hours/259069/

    After that, the next logical step was to tap into celebrity rapper culture:

    https://vimeo.com/80930630
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/19/marina-abramovic-jay-z-completely-used-me-picasso-baby
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/20/jay-z-substantial-donation-maria-abramovic

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @benjaminl

    Here's a parody of Marina Abramovic in the fine movie The Great Beauty [NSFW for naked lady reasons]:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjovG2PqZM

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Desiderius, @Harry Baldwin

    , @J.Ross
    @benjaminl

    This is a really important point. One of the great unifying explanations of our day is that we have these Steyers and Sorosi and Kochs running around with more money than they can intelligently handle, flooding Charleston and Ferguson with imported astroturf revolutionaries, saying yes to every self-styled artist who sounds ideologically sound.

    , @Not Raul
    @benjaminl

    Jay Z is such a fraud. The whole thing was staged. The "audience" was part of the act. Most of them looked like professional or semi-professional performers. They might have rehearsed even more than Jay Z did.

    The audience the video was pitched at probably has quite a bit of overlap with the younger subset of "Hamilton" devotees.

    , @Pericles
    @benjaminl

    Marina Abramovich of 'spirit cooking' fame, it should be noted. A very sick specimen.

  9. I was wondering if the article features any Pictures of Lily…there appears to be one. She looks at least OK. She can sing into my pubic bone any time.

    • Replies: @Saint Louis
    @2Mintzin1

    Pictures of Lily is a great song.

  10. overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes—in this case prejudice, privilege, racism, and sexism—by flooding the system with overly complex and unpredictable vocal rhythms, similar to those of progressive rock.

    So why don’t I just put a Moody Blues CD in my boombox, turn it up, and hold it up to my crotch? Then I’ll be Mr. I-Love-Everybody-Man.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Njguy73

    Saw the Moody Blues at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Colorado in the '80s. There were so loud my clothes were flapping in the sound waves. But it was probably second-hand pot smoke responsible for the Mr.-I-Love-Everybody-Man reaction.

  11. Hey! That’s the Soy Bomb guy!

  12. It would be better if we thought of them in terms of Andy Kaufman, who was a sort of Merry Prankster and not an artist. Or not a practitioner of High Art, anyway.

    There’s no great value to providing a shock or a chuckle to your audience. In their ability to pull that off, performance artists are like sideshow acts at a carnival. Or horror movies, with all their cheap tricks.

    There is value to political stunts, positive or negative. Political value, that is, though not necessarily artistic value. The “political” in art is almost exclusively leftist, or has been since modernism (or proto-modern Late Romanticism). I predict that should the alt-right take over the performance art shtick (and they’ve already begun to), high culture will drop the standard by which political messages are currently considered a part of great art. Then Epater Le Bourgeoisie will lose its value, too. At least when rightists do it.

    They’ll still be regarded as pluses for works from leftists. But used to the advantage of the right, they will be seen to sully the work and deprive it of value.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @guest

    "Lily and I confuse the hell out of them" is a very Merry Prankster-ish phrase.

  13. I waiver between wanting to save us all and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @AM


    and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.
     
    Hmm. Did you forget Noah?

    Replies: @AM

    , @Yak-15
    @AM

    LOL

  14. Get away from my junk, dude.

  15. @benjaminl
    There's definitely something about performance art in the zeitgeist of the elites these days.

    All the New York billionaires are giving a few pennies to a brand-new "performance space," while existing museums are adding more space for performance

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/arts/design/michael-bloomberg-gives-75-million-to-shed-arts-center.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/arts/design/moma-redesign-art-expansion.html

    I think the most highly-publicized episode consisted of thousands of liberal-arts graduates waiting in line for weeks to sit across the table from, and stare at, performance diva Marina Abramovic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/07/wait-why-did-that-woman-sit-in-the-moma-for-750-hours/259069/

    After that, the next logical step was to tap into celebrity rapper culture:

    https://vimeo.com/80930630
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/19/marina-abramovic-jay-z-completely-used-me-picasso-baby
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/20/jay-z-substantial-donation-maria-abramovic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Not Raul, @Pericles

    Here’s a parody of Marina Abramovic in the fine movie The Great Beauty [NSFW for naked lady reasons]:

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Steve Sailer

    Women will have to be fought over. Two recent movies -- The Rover and Valhalla Rising -- feature grim men fighting for no purpose in bleak landscapes. White Core American Patriot filmmakers have got to have the heroic lead fighting for a woman or women or victory for their people.

    That naked broad running into the aqueduct should be rescued in some manner. Or she could assist in her own rescue. Just like pioneer women fought off dangers in trans-Appalachian America. Globalizer performance art induces inaction.

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Is that a CCCP flag in her pubic hair?

    Brilliant indeed.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks for this link, Steve. Great stuff. The people watching the performance are cast perfectly. The way the interviewer questions the performer is what we wish we'd see sometime, but never do.

  16. @George
    David Sedaris recounts his shameful career as a performance artist. Recorded before a live audience by KUOW Seattle. — David Sedaris

    Act Two. Still Life.
    https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/73/blame-it-on-art

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    Has Steve ever written about Sedaris’ claim to have scored very low on an IQ test?

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a198/used-smart-guy-1199/

  17. OT: Zuck’s latest blog post:

    Bringing the World Closer Together
    Mark Zuckerberg · Thursday, June 22, 2017

    … Right now, I think the most important thing we can do is bring people closer together. It’s so important that we’re going to change Facebook’s whole mission to take this on.

    For the past decade, we’ve focused on making the world more open and connected. We’re not done with that. But I used to think that if we just gave people a voice and helped them connect, that would make the world better by itself. In many ways it has. But our society is still divided. Now I believe we have a responsibility to do even more. It’s not enough to simply connect the world, we must also work to bring the world closer together. …

    The idea for our new mission is: “bring the world closer together”. …

    Communities give us that sense that we are part of something bigger than ourselves, that we are not alone, that we have something better ahead to work for.

    We all get meaning from our communities. Whether they’re churches, sports teams, or neighborhood groups, they give us the strength to expand our horizons and care about broader issues. Studies have proven the more connected we are, the happier we feel and the healthier we are. People who go to church are more likely to volunteer and give to charity — not just because they’re religious, but because they’re part of a community.

    That’s why it’s so striking that for decades, membership in all kinds of groups has declined as much as one-quarter. That’s a lot of of people who now need to find a sense of purpose and support somewhere else.

    This is our challenge. We have to build a world where everyone has a sense of purpose and community. That’s how we’ll bring the world closer together. We have to build a world where we care about a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico as much as a person here. That’s how we’ll achieve our greatest opportunities and build the world we want for generations to come.

    I know we can do this. We can reverse this decline, rebuild our communities, start new ones, and bring the whole world closer together.

    •••

    So how are we going to do this?

    Today we’re going to talk about two parts of our product roadmap focused on building “Meaningful Communities”. …

    https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10154944663901634

    The Davos/Soros conventional wisdom keeps getting more and more unintentionally hilarious…

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    ZUCK: "We have to build a world where we care about a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico as much as a person here."

    TRANSLATION: "If a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico will work cheaper than a person here, why should I care about the latter?"

    I think Zuck ought to start wearing boots and a cowboy hat before he announces his campaign for the Democrat nomination. Show he's a regular American. It worked for GWB.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  18. Cleanse Berlin! Burn everything with fire!

    No wait. Maybe we can use this for the next Eurovision contest?

    It evokes very strong emotional responses.

    I bet it does. Are the pleasure centers of the brain triggered?

  19. The linked-to article lacks an all-important photograph to show the postures and proximity of the singer and the pubic bone owner. And just where is this “pubic bone”? I had to look it up:
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=pubic%20bone
    And how do we know that the pubic bone is “the loudest resonator in the human body”? What is the second-loudest resonator in the human body? This sounds like an interesting experience, one that might be marketed by speaker manufacturers (with a dial that goes up to 11). How come women are not given this experience? This exclusion seems anti-feminist.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    Progressive Touch—TBLR overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes
     
    If this is done to women or minorities, does it make them alt-right? Pleasant? Funny? Competent?

    Or, perhaps the Flynn Effect is tied to people sitting on their asses more, providing fewer chances to expose the pubic bone to dangerous rhythms.
  20. If you are not very talented, however, you are just a performance artist. This guy Michael Portnoy used to be a comedian but now he is a performance artist, which may tell you something.

    I assume it also gives him a better chance of getting state or federal grant money. I don’t suppose that much government “arts funding” goes to comedians.

  21. I mean, this is self-parody, right? The description is deliberately written to sound like they’re giving their subjects extended hummers.

    Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man’s penis.

    It does seem like we’re living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire. Another example: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

    • LOL: FPD72
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Ben Kurtz


    It does seem like we’re living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire.
     
    Priceless! The Onion Singularity.
    , @WR
    @Ben Kurtz

    "We’re living through the Onion Singularity." You've beautifully and succinctly described my feelings. I work in the education business and thus I am forced to navigate through the perilous seas of leftofascism. I must tell you that some of these people's insane ideas escape the confines of the imagination of even the best satirical writers. Visiting 'alt-right' websites has become for me a therapeutic exercise.

    , @2Mintzin1
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man’s penis."

    Boy , that's my marriage, in a nutshell.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Ben Kurtz

    There's a performance art sequence in the action picture "Final Option." It looks like parody, but I've seen comments from people who lived in the UK at the time and the radical folks really did stuff like that, quite seriously.

  22. @benjaminl
    There's definitely something about performance art in the zeitgeist of the elites these days.

    All the New York billionaires are giving a few pennies to a brand-new "performance space," while existing museums are adding more space for performance

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/arts/design/michael-bloomberg-gives-75-million-to-shed-arts-center.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/arts/design/moma-redesign-art-expansion.html

    I think the most highly-publicized episode consisted of thousands of liberal-arts graduates waiting in line for weeks to sit across the table from, and stare at, performance diva Marina Abramovic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/07/wait-why-did-that-woman-sit-in-the-moma-for-750-hours/259069/

    After that, the next logical step was to tap into celebrity rapper culture:

    https://vimeo.com/80930630
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/19/marina-abramovic-jay-z-completely-used-me-picasso-baby
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/20/jay-z-substantial-donation-maria-abramovic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Not Raul, @Pericles

    This is a really important point. One of the great unifying explanations of our day is that we have these Steyers and Sorosi and Kochs running around with more money than they can intelligently handle, flooding Charleston and Ferguson with imported astroturf revolutionaries, saying yes to every self-styled artist who sounds ideologically sound.

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @benjaminl

    Here's a parody of Marina Abramovic in the fine movie The Great Beauty [NSFW for naked lady reasons]:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjovG2PqZM

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Desiderius, @Harry Baldwin

    Women will have to be fought over. Two recent movies — The Rover and Valhalla Rising — feature grim men fighting for no purpose in bleak landscapes. White Core American Patriot filmmakers have got to have the heroic lead fighting for a woman or women or victory for their people.

    That naked broad running into the aqueduct should be rescued in some manner. Or she could assist in her own rescue. Just like pioneer women fought off dangers in trans-Appalachian America. Globalizer performance art induces inaction.

  24. Spot-on. Even the most famous soi-disant performance artist is a hack.

  25. There ought to be an annual award, like the Ignobel Prize, for most absurd art stunt not trying to be funny. The Duchamp Award maybe? The name and nominations accepted.

  26. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    The linked-to article lacks an all-important photograph to show the postures and proximity of the singer and the pubic bone owner. And just where is this "pubic bone"? I had to look it up:
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=pubic%20bone
    And how do we know that the pubic bone is "the loudest resonator in the human body"? What is the second-loudest resonator in the human body? This sounds like an interesting experience, one that might be marketed by speaker manufacturers (with a dial that goes up to 11). How come women are not given this experience? This exclusion seems anti-feminist.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Progressive Touch—TBLR overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes

    If this is done to women or minorities, does it make them alt-right? Pleasant? Funny? Competent?

    Or, perhaps the Flynn Effect is tied to people sitting on their asses more, providing fewer chances to expose the pubic bone to dangerous rhythms.

  27. @Njguy73

    overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes—in this case prejudice, privilege, racism, and sexism—by flooding the system with overly complex and unpredictable vocal rhythms, similar to those of progressive rock.
     
    So why don't I just put a Moody Blues CD in my boombox, turn it up, and hold it up to my crotch? Then I'll be Mr. I-Love-Everybody-Man.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Saw the Moody Blues at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Colorado in the ’80s. There were so loud my clothes were flapping in the sound waves. But it was probably second-hand pot smoke responsible for the Mr.-I-Love-Everybody-Man reaction.

  28. @Ben Kurtz
    I mean, this is self-parody, right? The description is deliberately written to sound like they're giving their subjects extended hummers.

    Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man's penis.

    It does seem like we're living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire. Another example: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

    Replies: @Forbes, @WR, @2Mintzin1, @Rosamond Vincy

    It does seem like we’re living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire.

    Priceless! The Onion Singularity.

  29. People who attend such events should expect to have their junk displayed all over social media. Then they could look forward to Phase II, The Shakedown and Phase III, Telling Parents What You Did to Get Fired. No sympathy here. PT Barnum was right.

  30. @Roderick Spode
    Burn the world

    Also, if I'm assuming correctly, the elephant in the room is that Portnoy's homosexual?

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Also, if I’m assuming correctly, the elephant in the room is that Portnoy’s homosexual?

    No, but he does want to bugger the elephant.

  31. @AM
    I waiver between wanting to save us all and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Yak-15

    and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.

    Hmm. Did you forget Noah?

    • Replies: @AM
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Next time we're going to reconsider Noah's role and maybe just put a few robots on the arc. ;)

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  32. Steve Sailer describing David Byrne and Lady Gaga as “really talented” is as disturbing as anything else in the article (I don’t know who “Beck” is, and I’d call Andy Kaufman more clever than talented).

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @NOMAN

    They're both talented musicians in the sense that Picasso was a talented painter. They all have demonstrated the requisite technical skill. What they've done with that skill is a different question than talent.

    It's akin to the difference between arm talent and greatness as a QB.

    , @Dumbo
    @NOMAN

    David Byrne is talented for sure.

    Gaga, Kaufkman and Beck, not so much, at least to my taste, but they have a following. On the other hand, even Ariana "ride dick bicycle" Grande has a following, so it doesn't mean much.

    I don't think that "popularity" and "talent" should be taken as equivalent, especially in this day and age of prepackaged cultural products. Some people have talent but are not famous. And way too many talentless (but well promoted) people are famous.

    P.S. The problem about "performance art" is that it is neither performance (entertainment) nor art.

    Replies: @NOMAN

    , @Dennis Dale
    @NOMAN

    All the people he mentioned are exceptional, even Lady Gaga--obnoxious pro-globalist regime propagandist that she is. There's no excuse for not knowing who Beck is. As for Andy Kaufman, maybe you had to be there, but to my young eyes it was as if a Martian had descended on SNL in the late Seventies. Truly original and hilarious. And the wrestling campaign was a bold reactionary satire of feminism that took real nerve.

    , @dr kill
    @NOMAN

    Skill is acquired, talent is innate. I am skilled. but my only talent is the ability to work long hours and long days. I wish I had a talent.

  33. @AM
    I waiver between wanting to save us all and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Yak-15

    LOL

  34. I would throw in $50 to send her to California and try this on Steve.

    Who is with me?

  35. @Steve Sailer
    @benjaminl

    Here's a parody of Marina Abramovic in the fine movie The Great Beauty [NSFW for naked lady reasons]:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjovG2PqZM

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Desiderius, @Harry Baldwin

    Is that a CCCP flag in her pubic hair?

    Brilliant indeed.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @Desiderius

    Yup. She's a genuine Red. Not too hard on the eyes, either.

  36. @NOMAN
    Steve Sailer describing David Byrne and Lady Gaga as "really talented" is as disturbing as anything else in the article (I don't know who "Beck" is, and I'd call Andy Kaufman more clever than talented).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dumbo, @Dennis Dale, @dr kill

    They’re both talented musicians in the sense that Picasso was a talented painter. They all have demonstrated the requisite technical skill. What they’ve done with that skill is a different question than talent.

    It’s akin to the difference between arm talent and greatness as a QB.

  37. @NOMAN
    Steve Sailer describing David Byrne and Lady Gaga as "really talented" is as disturbing as anything else in the article (I don't know who "Beck" is, and I'd call Andy Kaufman more clever than talented).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dumbo, @Dennis Dale, @dr kill

    David Byrne is talented for sure.

    Gaga, Kaufkman and Beck, not so much, at least to my taste, but they have a following. On the other hand, even Ariana “ride dick bicycle” Grande has a following, so it doesn’t mean much.

    I don’t think that “popularity” and “talent” should be taken as equivalent, especially in this day and age of prepackaged cultural products. Some people have talent but are not famous. And way too many talentless (but well promoted) people are famous.

    P.S. The problem about “performance art” is that it is neither performance (entertainment) nor art.

    • Replies: @NOMAN
    @Dumbo

    Not to argue over "taste," just a couple of comments about David Byrne: I had the displeasure of doing business in a shopping-mall Sears once and was not soothed by hearing the following piped in over the speaker system- "EEP AWP- EEP EEP YAWWP AWP AWP AWP- BURNIN' DOWN THE HOUSE!" Fortunately my business was done before I could be regaled by the lilting refrain of "Psycho Killer." I also tried to watch a feature he made called "True Stories," which (unless I mis-recall it) was about Byrne himself ridiculing perfectly normal elderly people in Texas. I found it, and him, utterly repulsive.

    Replies: @Cromwellforever, @Dumbo

  38. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @AM


    and thinking maybe the flood idea was the right solution after all. This has me leaning towards flood again.
     
    Hmm. Did you forget Noah?

    Replies: @AM

    Next time we’re going to reconsider Noah’s role and maybe just put a few robots on the arc. 😉

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    He'll have to keep his sanity with the help of his robot friends.

  39. WR says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    I mean, this is self-parody, right? The description is deliberately written to sound like they're giving their subjects extended hummers.

    Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man's penis.

    It does seem like we're living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire. Another example: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

    Replies: @Forbes, @WR, @2Mintzin1, @Rosamond Vincy

    “We’re living through the Onion Singularity.” You’ve beautifully and succinctly described my feelings. I work in the education business and thus I am forced to navigate through the perilous seas of leftofascism. I must tell you that some of these people’s insane ideas escape the confines of the imagination of even the best satirical writers. Visiting ‘alt-right’ websites has become for me a therapeutic exercise.

  40. @guest
    It would be better if we thought of them in terms of Andy Kaufman, who was a sort of Merry Prankster and not an artist. Or not a practitioner of High Art, anyway.

    There's no great value to providing a shock or a chuckle to your audience. In their ability to pull that off, performance artists are like sideshow acts at a carnival. Or horror movies, with all their cheap tricks.

    There is value to political stunts, positive or negative. Political value, that is, though not necessarily artistic value. The "political" in art is almost exclusively leftist, or has been since modernism (or proto-modern Late Romanticism). I predict that should the alt-right take over the performance art shtick (and they've already begun to), high culture will drop the standard by which political messages are currently considered a part of great art. Then Epater Le Bourgeoisie will lose its value, too. At least when rightists do it.

    They'll still be regarded as pluses for works from leftists. But used to the advantage of the right, they will be seen to sully the work and deprive it of value.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    “Lily and I confuse the hell out of them” is a very Merry Prankster-ish phrase.

  41. Sounds like it’s Michael Portnoy’s way of doing some fruity sh*t with unsuspecting dudes.

  42. When I hear the name “Portnoy,” I always think of the groundhog.

    Kudos to anyone who gets that.

  43. “Directing sound into the pubic bone, which is the loudest resonator in the human body, causes the top of the cervical spine to pulse into the base of the skull at a frequency, which interferes with the rhythm of electrical pulses between neurons. Progressive Touch—TBLR overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes—in this case prejudice, privilege, racism, and sexism—by flooding the system with overly complex and unpredictable vocal rhythms, similar to those of progressive rock.” …

    This sounds like something taken from The Atrocity Exhibition

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @ATX Hipster

    Ah, someone who has read Ballard.

    Well met, sir, well met!

    Replies: @ATX Hipster

  44. @Dumbo
    @NOMAN

    David Byrne is talented for sure.

    Gaga, Kaufkman and Beck, not so much, at least to my taste, but they have a following. On the other hand, even Ariana "ride dick bicycle" Grande has a following, so it doesn't mean much.

    I don't think that "popularity" and "talent" should be taken as equivalent, especially in this day and age of prepackaged cultural products. Some people have talent but are not famous. And way too many talentless (but well promoted) people are famous.

    P.S. The problem about "performance art" is that it is neither performance (entertainment) nor art.

    Replies: @NOMAN

    Not to argue over “taste,” just a couple of comments about David Byrne: I had the displeasure of doing business in a shopping-mall Sears once and was not soothed by hearing the following piped in over the speaker system- “EEP AWP- EEP EEP YAWWP AWP AWP AWP- BURNIN’ DOWN THE HOUSE!” Fortunately my business was done before I could be regaled by the lilting refrain of “Psycho Killer.” I also tried to watch a feature he made called “True Stories,” which (unless I mis-recall it) was about Byrne himself ridiculing perfectly normal elderly people in Texas. I found it, and him, utterly repulsive.

    • Replies: @Cromwellforever
    @NOMAN

    I can see finding True Stories boring, but ridicule it is not. It's a genuine love letter to middle America weirdness and sweet, quirky charm. When Byrne praises the consumer efficiency of a mall and comments on the good natured ability of Americans to turn that sterile environment into a town square pageant it's not condemning, though he is aware of how absurd it is.

    It does parody small town America, but does so while saying the people who live there are in on the joke, and there's a lot of good there as well.

    , @Dumbo
    @NOMAN

    Well, I guess each one has his own taste, but the guy created a very influential band with an easily identifiable style. I like some of his old songs even if I am not the greatest fan.

    His film was meh. I don't really remember much of it. It's good he decided to be a musician and not a film-maker. Anyway, the point is that even if you don't like him there is much worse around.

  45. Portnoy means taylor. This guy’s great-grandfather used to be an honest craftsman.

  46. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Is that a CCCP flag in her pubic hair?

    Brilliant indeed.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1

    Yup. She’s a genuine Red. Not too hard on the eyes, either.

  47. @Ben Kurtz
    I mean, this is self-parody, right? The description is deliberately written to sound like they're giving their subjects extended hummers.

    Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man's penis.

    It does seem like we're living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire. Another example: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

    Replies: @Forbes, @WR, @2Mintzin1, @Rosamond Vincy

    “Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man’s penis.”

    Boy , that’s my marriage, in a nutshell.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @2Mintzin1

    Likewise. Damn, my mother-in-law was a bitch...!

  48. what is it with these gibbering lunatics?

    Perhaps for his next “art” work he will try to spank the naked white guys and literally suck their evil white jizz out with his mouth. He can then boldly proclaim that giving blowjobs making him a cutting edge, “avante guard” and “performance” artist, because we all need the deep insight and incisive social commentary you can only get from smug gay whores.

  49. Performance Art is art in the same way that Rap Music is music.

    Not at all.

  50. From an interview with Portnoy:

    “There’s quite a tradition of one-on-one performance in the UK within immersive theater”

    I can imagine. I wonder what they do when they can’t even get one person to show up. But there’s got to be a pomo angle for a live performance without an audience, maybe a statement about the nature of presence and identity in a structured space…yadda, yadda, yadda…

  51. @NOMAN
    Steve Sailer describing David Byrne and Lady Gaga as "really talented" is as disturbing as anything else in the article (I don't know who "Beck" is, and I'd call Andy Kaufman more clever than talented).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dumbo, @Dennis Dale, @dr kill

    All the people he mentioned are exceptional, even Lady Gaga–obnoxious pro-globalist regime propagandist that she is. There’s no excuse for not knowing who Beck is. As for Andy Kaufman, maybe you had to be there, but to my young eyes it was as if a Martian had descended on SNL in the late Seventies. Truly original and hilarious. And the wrestling campaign was a bold reactionary satire of feminism that took real nerve.

  52. @2Mintzin1
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man’s penis."

    Boy , that's my marriage, in a nutshell.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    Likewise. Damn, my mother-in-law was a bitch…!

  53. @benjaminl
    There's definitely something about performance art in the zeitgeist of the elites these days.

    All the New York billionaires are giving a few pennies to a brand-new "performance space," while existing museums are adding more space for performance

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/arts/design/michael-bloomberg-gives-75-million-to-shed-arts-center.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/arts/design/moma-redesign-art-expansion.html

    I think the most highly-publicized episode consisted of thousands of liberal-arts graduates waiting in line for weeks to sit across the table from, and stare at, performance diva Marina Abramovic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/07/wait-why-did-that-woman-sit-in-the-moma-for-750-hours/259069/

    After that, the next logical step was to tap into celebrity rapper culture:

    https://vimeo.com/80930630
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/19/marina-abramovic-jay-z-completely-used-me-picasso-baby
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/20/jay-z-substantial-donation-maria-abramovic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Not Raul, @Pericles

    Jay Z is such a fraud. The whole thing was staged. The “audience” was part of the act. Most of them looked like professional or semi-professional performers. They might have rehearsed even more than Jay Z did.

    The audience the video was pitched at probably has quite a bit of overlap with the younger subset of “Hamilton” devotees.

  54. I looked at Artnet’s about page. Andrew Goldstein is editor-in-chief. Other illustrious names include Blake Gopnik, Hili Perlson, and Julia Halperin.

    Of course the art world requires fresh blood too. Which is why, at the bottom of their about page, they announce a new intern – Caroline Goldstein.

    When people wag their fingers about institutional racism and white supremacy, do you think there is an element of … projection?

  55. @benjaminl
    There's definitely something about performance art in the zeitgeist of the elites these days.

    All the New York billionaires are giving a few pennies to a brand-new "performance space," while existing museums are adding more space for performance

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/arts/design/michael-bloomberg-gives-75-million-to-shed-arts-center.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/arts/design/moma-redesign-art-expansion.html

    I think the most highly-publicized episode consisted of thousands of liberal-arts graduates waiting in line for weeks to sit across the table from, and stare at, performance diva Marina Abramovic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/07/wait-why-did-that-woman-sit-in-the-moma-for-750-hours/259069/

    After that, the next logical step was to tap into celebrity rapper culture:

    https://vimeo.com/80930630
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/19/marina-abramovic-jay-z-completely-used-me-picasso-baby
    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/may/20/jay-z-substantial-donation-maria-abramovic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @Not Raul, @Pericles

    Marina Abramovich of ‘spirit cooking’ fame, it should be noted. A very sick specimen.

  56. In my next performance art piece, I shall be singing ‘Trump, Trump, Truuuump’ into the pubic bones of nude catwalk models for 45 minutes. Each then rises up, throws her yarmulke into the audience and marches off stage. (Spoiler: I might also ‘grab’ some of them.)

    Explosive piece of art!

  57. In an earlier, less enlightened era, performance artists might have been in public care in some institution in the countryside. Now they are gainfully employed in global cities. Who, I ask, can say Jews have no socially redeeming value?

  58. @NOMAN
    @Dumbo

    Not to argue over "taste," just a couple of comments about David Byrne: I had the displeasure of doing business in a shopping-mall Sears once and was not soothed by hearing the following piped in over the speaker system- "EEP AWP- EEP EEP YAWWP AWP AWP AWP- BURNIN' DOWN THE HOUSE!" Fortunately my business was done before I could be regaled by the lilting refrain of "Psycho Killer." I also tried to watch a feature he made called "True Stories," which (unless I mis-recall it) was about Byrne himself ridiculing perfectly normal elderly people in Texas. I found it, and him, utterly repulsive.

    Replies: @Cromwellforever, @Dumbo

    I can see finding True Stories boring, but ridicule it is not. It’s a genuine love letter to middle America weirdness and sweet, quirky charm. When Byrne praises the consumer efficiency of a mall and comments on the good natured ability of Americans to turn that sterile environment into a town square pageant it’s not condemning, though he is aware of how absurd it is.

    It does parody small town America, but does so while saying the people who live there are in on the joke, and there’s a lot of good there as well.

  59. Anonymous [AKA "Wilburn Sprayberry"] says:

    This will be a required course at Ivy League schools in a couple of years.
    Currently required at Evergreen.

  60. @NOMAN
    Steve Sailer describing David Byrne and Lady Gaga as "really talented" is as disturbing as anything else in the article (I don't know who "Beck" is, and I'd call Andy Kaufman more clever than talented).

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dumbo, @Dennis Dale, @dr kill

    Skill is acquired, talent is innate. I am skilled. but my only talent is the ability to work long hours and long days. I wish I had a talent.

  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You gotta hand it to Portnoy, this is just the sort of thing that liberals will happily throw money down the drain over. But it has one fatal flaw in that he markets it towards alt-righters. It’s like trying to sell the emperor’s new clothes to the red-pilled boy instead of the emperor.

  62. How about an author who touts his work as a ‘performance artist’? It’s kinda funny when you think about it.

    This all reminds me of The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman. It published in the 1760s and it was billed as an ‘autobiography’…only it was published in 9 volumes! He didn’t even get to his birth until Volume III. It is so detailed, and comprehensive that it takes the author an entire year to recount the events of a single day.

    Of course, it was all a parody by Lawrence Sterne, who really was an ‘author/performance artist’. The crucial difference being that Sterne understood the joke he was trying to tell.

    Speaking of Beck: He’s hit or miss for me. But one thing’s for sure–he is one smart, funny dude. Of course, there’s the Loser song, but his Debra song, where he pokes fun at rappers in So Cal is hilarious. “Lady, step into my Hyundai.” Still cracks me up every time I hear it.

  63. @Lord Jeff Sessions
    OT: Zuck's latest blog post:


    Bringing the World Closer Together
    Mark Zuckerberg · Thursday, June 22, 2017

    ... Right now, I think the most important thing we can do is bring people closer together. It's so important that we're going to change Facebook's whole mission to take this on.

    For the past decade, we've focused on making the world more open and connected. We're not done with that. But I used to think that if we just gave people a voice and helped them connect, that would make the world better by itself. In many ways it has. But our society is still divided. Now I believe we have a responsibility to do even more. It's not enough to simply connect the world, we must also work to bring the world closer together. ...

    The idea for our new mission is: "bring the world closer together". ...

    Communities give us that sense that we are part of something bigger than ourselves, that we are not alone, that we have something better ahead to work for.

    We all get meaning from our communities. Whether they're churches, sports teams, or neighborhood groups, they give us the strength to expand our horizons and care about broader issues. Studies have proven the more connected we are, the happier we feel and the healthier we are. People who go to church are more likely to volunteer and give to charity -- not just because they're religious, but because they're part of a community.

    That's why it's so striking that for decades, membership in all kinds of groups has declined as much as one-quarter. That's a lot of of people who now need to find a sense of purpose and support somewhere else.

    This is our challenge. We have to build a world where everyone has a sense of purpose and community. That's how we'll bring the world closer together. We have to build a world where we care about a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico as much as a person here. That's how we'll achieve our greatest opportunities and build the world we want for generations to come.

    I know we can do this. We can reverse this decline, rebuild our communities, start new ones, and bring the whole world closer together.

    •••

    So how are we going to do this?

    Today we're going to talk about two parts of our product roadmap focused on building "Meaningful Communities". ...

    https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10154944663901634
     

    The Davos/Soros conventional wisdom keeps getting more and more unintentionally hilarious...

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    ZUCK: “We have to build a world where we care about a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico as much as a person here.”

    TRANSLATION: “If a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico will work cheaper than a person here, why should I care about the latter?”

    I think Zuck ought to start wearing boots and a cowboy hat before he announces his campaign for the Democrat nomination. Show he’s a regular American. It worked for GWB.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Harry Baldwin

    I wonder if it would be appropriate to call this "reverse dog-whistling".

  64. @AM
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Next time we're going to reconsider Noah's role and maybe just put a few robots on the arc. ;)

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    He’ll have to keep his sanity with the help of his robot friends.

  65. @Ben Kurtz
    I mean, this is self-parody, right? The description is deliberately written to sound like they're giving their subjects extended hummers.

    Imagine my disappointment, then, when the linked-to photos were simply of a woman shouting in the direction of a man's penis.

    It does seem like we're living through the Onion Singularity, where mainstream news articles become indistinguishable from deliberate absurdist satire. Another example: https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/congratulations-to-the-red-cross-for-beating-donald-trump-at-his-own-game-racism/

    Replies: @Forbes, @WR, @2Mintzin1, @Rosamond Vincy

    There’s a performance art sequence in the action picture “Final Option.” It looks like parody, but I’ve seen comments from people who lived in the UK at the time and the radical folks really did stuff like that, quite seriously.

  66. @ATX Hipster

    “Directing sound into the pubic bone, which is the loudest resonator in the human body, causes the top of the cervical spine to pulse into the base of the skull at a frequency, which interferes with the rhythm of electrical pulses between neurons. Progressive Touch—TBLR overloads the particular circuits responsible for certain ingrained behaviors and attitudes—in this case prejudice, privilege, racism, and sexism—by flooding the system with overly complex and unpredictable vocal rhythms, similar to those of progressive rock.” …
     
    This sounds like something taken from The Atrocity Exhibition

    Replies: @El Dato

    Ah, someone who has read Ballard.

    Well met, sir, well met!

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @El Dato

    Apparently if Ballard is mentioned here, it's by one of us:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-atlantic-monthly-on-bronzeagepervs-role-in-trump-administration/#comment-1762843

  67. Lily gets paid in non-Monopoly money because of her looks? There are literally 10,000 better looking women walking the campus of my alma mater on any fall afternoon.

  68. @2Mintzin1
    I was wondering if the article features any Pictures of Lily...there appears to be one. She looks at least OK. She can sing into my pubic bone any time.

    Replies: @Saint Louis

    Pictures of Lily is a great song.

  69. @NOMAN
    @Dumbo

    Not to argue over "taste," just a couple of comments about David Byrne: I had the displeasure of doing business in a shopping-mall Sears once and was not soothed by hearing the following piped in over the speaker system- "EEP AWP- EEP EEP YAWWP AWP AWP AWP- BURNIN' DOWN THE HOUSE!" Fortunately my business was done before I could be regaled by the lilting refrain of "Psycho Killer." I also tried to watch a feature he made called "True Stories," which (unless I mis-recall it) was about Byrne himself ridiculing perfectly normal elderly people in Texas. I found it, and him, utterly repulsive.

    Replies: @Cromwellforever, @Dumbo

    Well, I guess each one has his own taste, but the guy created a very influential band with an easily identifiable style. I like some of his old songs even if I am not the greatest fan.

    His film was meh. I don’t really remember much of it. It’s good he decided to be a musician and not a film-maker. Anyway, the point is that even if you don’t like him there is much worse around.

  70. @El Dato
    @ATX Hipster

    Ah, someone who has read Ballard.

    Well met, sir, well met!

    Replies: @ATX Hipster

  71. @Harry Baldwin
    @Lord Jeff Sessions

    ZUCK: "We have to build a world where we care about a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico as much as a person here."

    TRANSLATION: "If a person in India or China or Nigeria or Mexico will work cheaper than a person here, why should I care about the latter?"

    I think Zuck ought to start wearing boots and a cowboy hat before he announces his campaign for the Democrat nomination. Show he's a regular American. It worked for GWB.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    I wonder if it would be appropriate to call this “reverse dog-whistling”.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @benjaminl

    Here's a parody of Marina Abramovic in the fine movie The Great Beauty [NSFW for naked lady reasons]:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjovG2PqZM

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Desiderius, @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks for this link, Steve. Great stuff. The people watching the performance are cast perfectly. The way the interviewer questions the performer is what we wish we’d see sometime, but never do.

  73. Moar Performance Fartism in Academia.

    Katherine Dettwyler, University of Delaware Professor :

    ” Otto Warmbier was a “rich, white, clueless male” who would “rape drunk girls” & “snort cocaine”
    He “got exactly what he deserved”

    bored identity:

    ” Dear Mrs. Dettwyler,

    You’re tenured academic.

    You ‘re mother of three, and the grandmother of two children.

    You’re breast- cancer survivor.

    Your tremendous contribution to modern anthropology is based on decades long breastfeeding research that taught us how natural age of weaning could expand to 7 years old.
    Your titillating desire to excite public and UD student body with controversial statements is understandable for the person of your age, social status, and position.

    Yet, the effectiveness of public discourse still relies on some civility which divides an average Dettwyler from an average Rottweiler.

    bored identity is just a deplorable peasant and he doesn’t care much about eggheadings of Postmodern Anthropology.

    But, bored identity wants you to anthropologized this, preferably without lactating your emotions:
    Warmbier is dead. Warmbier was an American. American Lives Matter.
    North Korean Roasted Dogs Lovers Not So Much.

    Your causal reductionism, and unsubstantiated allegations that this, Caucasian male person who undeservedly suffered the death of a thousand Oriental cuts, would sexually assault alcohol-intoxicated female, are probably hurtful to his surviving parents.

    You also do not have any proof that Warmbier was abusing drugs.

    Maybe you should apologize.”

    Katherine Dettwyler, University of Delaware Professor:

    “Fu@k you, Nazi piece of privilege!”

    bored identity:

    “O-kaaay.

    Hey, at this moment still tenured Professor of Delaware University, did you have a chance to read this Breitbart article ?” :

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/06/22/otto-warmbiers-family-kept-sons-jewish-faith-secret-officials-negotiate-release-north-korea/

    Katherine Dettwyler, University of Delaware Professor:

    “Oh, sh!t ! Will Adonai ever forgive my arrogance?”

  74. I’m glad this isn’t Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater and other projects:

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