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Perhaps the first American celebrity to be announced to have died of coronavirus complications is the elderly gay playwright Terrence McNally, 81:

Terrence McNally, Tony-Winning Playwright of Gay Life, Dies at 81

Mr. McNally, who died of coronavirus complications, introduced audiences to characters and situations that most mainstream theater had previously shunted into comic asides.

By Jesse Green and Neil Genzlinger, March 24, 2020

There’s nothing unexpected about an octogenarian dying of this plague. But this reminds me that a couple of the more perceptive observers, Charles Norman and Spotted Toad, independently observed that gay men seem to be suffering more severe illnesses for their ages. I haven’t noticed that they are being infected more (or less), although that’s certainly possible, but there might be a trend that they are getting slammed harder by the illness.

This might be just a small sample size early days fluke. Or it might have something to do with overall average health. Or it might have something to do with New York City. Or it might have something to do with some transmission mechanism that should be avoided. Or something.

When dealing with a novel phenomenon, any kind of recognized pattern might prove useful.

 
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  1. Anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Are Gay Men Hit Harder?’.

    Naughty, naughty old Steve!, only, one presumes, if they are ‘in’ to that sort of thing.

    • LOL: Roderick Spode
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  2. nebulafox says:

    It is possible there’s a correlation, but that correlation is indirect: if you have a compromised immune system, you will be more vulnerable to this virus. As homosexual men are more likely to have sexual diseases like AIDS that compromise the immune system (I doubt lesbians are hit harder), this would include them, concentrated in the older generations that were around during that epidemic. Obese people, the aged, alcoholics, those who suffer from cancer or autoimmune diseases: they all have a higher probability of being hit harder. Above all, if you have something wrong with your lungs specifically, then for obvious reasons, you are at higher risk.

    That’s it: a higher probability. Life is stochastic, man. If you are young and you have a relatively solid immune system, great, but that doesn’t immunize you from bad luck.

  3. nebulafox says:
    @Hhsiii

    I miss the old South Park. Always had this idea of them doing a parent-child professions day, and Cartman ending up witnessing his Mom’s world…

  4. nebulafox says:
    @nebulafox

    Also: they should have kept her as a transsexual and made Cartman’s real mother… Sheila Broflovski. 🙂

    Imagine the fireworks, back when the show was good.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  5. LondonBob says:

    You would expect so and it would explain some of the media hysteria.

    Lorenzo Sanz remains the most famous person to have died of coronavirus though. Prince Charles the most famous to be infected.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  6. As usual, Women and Children have to take a back seat to gay men. This is by far the worst form of misogyny.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  7. Princes seem to be hit harder.

    First the Prince of Monaco, now the Prince of Wales.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  8. @Hhsiii

    “tl;dr ‘Stay at least six feet from other people, and be sure not to lick anyone’s anus.’”

    –tweet on your link

    After seeing* that guy fellate himself in Shortbus, no gay feat would surprise me now.

    *We got free tickets, and should have demanded a refund.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  9. @Anonymous

    ‘Are Gay Men Hit Harder?’.

    T.E. Lawrence certainly was. Every morning, by his young Arab tentmate.

    • Replies: @reactionry
  10. You are missing something more important:

    “As coronavirus shuts salons, black women wonder: What are we going to do?”

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/as-coronavirus-shuts-salons-black-women-wonder-what-are-we-going-to-do.html

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Seek
  11. Well, a very fond farewell to McNally, may he rest in peace. A very talented man, though not one of my own personal favorites (not his fault, of course). He was a fine writer but for some reason I never found myself caring about the things he wrote about, at the time he was writing about them.

    I do owe him one very deep personal debt of gratitude, though: his hilarious 1960s one-act sex farce, “Noon.” I read it when I was 15 years old, and the frantic, unhinged tirade about Grove Press was just about the funniest thing my teenage ass had ever tripped over. It was like having a witty bachelor uncle with a dirty sense of humor, who wasn’t a pervert.

    Unlucky for McNally that he was in the same cohort as Lanford Wilson, who in my view was the finest playwright of that era, and the only one fit to join O’Neill and Williams at the grown ups table. Bet they’ll slip him a bottle of sherry now and then, though, when the steward isn’t looking.

    Vale, old man, you did well.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  12. Bucky says:

    Gay men smoke meth. They vape a lot. They generally are using more substances than straights.

    They also are ignoring quarantine advisements for anonymous hookups via Grindr.

    The issue is that gay men kind of control the levers if power in this country, and so their reality becomes our media reality.

    Most of the country will be fine due to the social distancing effect of the automobile and suburbia.

    Gay metro areas will not, and the result is that we will have more panic and worry than is warranted because gay men will die more due to their own behavior but they are unwilling (as always) to take responsibility for such behavior, but blame everyone else and one way or another make them pay a price.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  13. Much more likely to be related to McNally’s COPD.

  14. Slim says:

    Mark Steyn pointed this out a week ago on the most-listened-to radio program in the USA. He was denounced as a homophobe by the lavender mafia.

  15. ql says:

    I have been a little coy about this on twitter, but let me break it down here (I see some people are very wide of the mark).

    We learned from the plague cruises that fecal-oral transmission (even plumes from nautical plumbing) is an important part of NCoV and especially its means of transmission in warm/humid climates.

    We also learned that viral load is particularly important in the onset of severe NCoV symptoms, esp. in younger adults. And the viral loads associated with fecal-oral transmission are especially high.

    Gays have large numbers of (often anonymous) sexual partners, on average. One way or another, their um interactions are unusually likely to involve direct fecal oral contact (as witnessed by shigella and other gifts).

    Particular superspreaders reported in Lombardy had many victims not just at one social event but in many separate interactions in different cities. This appeared immediately after Milan Fashion Week. It makes sense Wenzhouese garment workers in Veneto would spread it to the rest of fashion industry, but why did Milan rather than Veneto become Italy’s epicenter?

    The same patterns appeared in the US. While the main introduction event in Boston was an Italian attendee at a Biogen reception, the Boston Globe reported that a group of five men who attended an annual gay festival in Miami returned positive for NCoV. It seems likely that many other participants also caught and spread the virus. In another case a young woman with no risk factors suddenly died of NCoV. She worked in an HIV clinic.

    Multiple reasons could be advanced for any particular city. The US cities with the largest gay populations per capita – Seattle Boston Minneapolis SF – could be explained away by colder weather or, for SF, a wealth of fecal-contamination problems, if there were outbreaks there (fortunately, SF was shut down very early at the insistence of tech overlords). However, what about Atlanta? So far as I know no known theory of coronavirus virulence would apply to Atlanta, so on March 7 I conjectured that a serious outbreak there would corroborate the gay fecal-oral transmission theory. Yesterday, local news relayed the mayor’s announcement that Atlanta was already out of ICU beds (before NYC, impressively enough).

    New York itself is not an especially gay city. But it has the largest gay population of any US city by quite a bit, and they self-segregate to create an effectively high-density gay community. Like other Northern cities there are other possible explanations for the spread there, but watch the age distribution of the younger patients. If the theory is correct more young NYC males will have more severe cases of NCoV, requiring hospitalizion/intubation, coinciding with higher viral load, than the Wuhan data would predict.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Triumph104
  16. @nebulafox

    Uh, you don’t remember the episode where Butters saw his father’s lifestyle?

  17. Gay men who are privately HIV+ certainly will be hit harder.

  18. Spangel says:

    Is this post a joke? Gay men get sick more because they have more underlying infections that burden them and have weakened their bodies over time, specifically hiv.

    McNally’s long time partner died of aids many years ago, so he probably had hiv too. Nothing mysterious about an 81 year old hiv positive man dying of a viral infection.

  19. “Charles Norman and Spotted Toad, independently observed that gay men seem to be suffering more severe illnesses for their ages.”

    “I’ve noticed the same pattern with smokers. I wonder why that could be?”

    “I haven’t noticed that they are being infected more (or less), although that’s certainly possible, but there might be a trend that they are getting slammed harder by the illness.

    Careful Steve, you keep talking like that, you’re going to entice homosexuals to go on a whole new kind of bug chasing.

  20. Perhaps it because after a lifetime of spilling their seed on barren ground, they do not have wives, children, and grandchildren to take the dog outside when they are sick.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  21. George says:

    * lung cancer in the late 1990s which cost him both portions of his lungs due to the disease
    * was living with COPD at the time of his death

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrence_McNally#Personal_life

    The way Covid stats are reported is they probably classify his death as Covid when it probably is his lung problems + old age. To me it seems they are ‘goosing’ the stats to make their state of emergency seem rational.

  22. Art Deco says:

    The blawger David Lat has been in critical condition in NYU’s medical center. He’s 44 years old and admits to no medical problems other than ‘exercise-induced asthma’. He infected his butt-buddy, who had a flu-like illness for about a week, then recovered. (The butt-buddy is about eight years younger than Lat). One curio about Lat’s illness is that he apparently recovered after about five days, then fell ill again. The first phase was like a case of the flu. The second phase put him in respiratory distress. Very disconcerting.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @eric
    , @Anon
    , @Jonathan Mason
  23. Everything is fine as long as they don’t shut down the bathhouses and circuit parties.

    That would be the real tragedy, and that’s just not who we are.

    Meanwhile….

    Jason Collins, the NBA’S First Openly Gay Player, Has Coronavirus

    https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/03/24/jason-collins-the-nbas-first-openly-gay-player-has-coronavirus/

    Oops!

  24. eric says:

    An 81-yo gay cancer survivor with OCPD dies and is found to have the coronavirus. Clearly he was less resilient than average, but the more important question whether the coronavirus was superfluous, one of many secondary infections common to people during end-of-life care.

  25. eric says:
    @Art Deco

    That’s how many people get pneumonia, as a secondary infection from the flu. Each year 250k people are hospitalized for pneumonia.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  26. I’ve been awaiting an NYT sob story on the gay community being hard-hit, at least emotionally if not statistically. In actuality the story should ask, are sexually promiscuous gays doing more than their part to spread the virus.

    Of course you could ask this about normally active single heteros too — they can close the bars and clubs, but people are still going to look for action. When does some hyperactive governor or big-city mayor specifically put the kibosh on gettin’ you some?

    • Replies: @SFG
  27. Ano says:

    Oh, gays shmays.

    Mr Sailer, your heart should really be going out to transpeople of course!

    Especially all those poor convicted pedophiles who have lost their jobs now drag queen storytime has been cancelled at your local library.

  28. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    I have read that that’s how it goes with Covid-19. First you get mild flu like symptoms with a low fever, then you “recover”, a day later it comes back and hits you like a ton of bricks, with fever, pneumonia, nausea, diarrhea, all that jazz. In the NYTimes, a 26 year old with no preexisting conditions, who works out 6 days a week, is neither obese nor a smoker, i.e. perfectly healthy, wrote that that was exactly what happened to her. She thought she recovered then bang! She was grasping for air, couldn’t even find the energy to walk/talk, and was admitted to the hospital. While there the doctor told her it wasn’t uncommon at all for them to see patients her age, that there was a 30 year old next door, and that 40% of US hospital patients are under the age of 54.

  29. Neoconned says:

    60+ years of near constant sodomy does damage to your bodys colorectal system…..im speculating….that plus perhaps some combination of VD & Corona being too much for an 80 yr olds immune system….

  30. ken says:
    @Hhsiii

    The public schools have spend countless years/dollars informing kids of the joy of a good ole rimjob now they have to walk it back?

  31. @Art Deco

    He’s 44 years old and admits to no medical problems other than ‘exercise-induced asthma’

    Any respiratory disease is a major risk factor including exercise-induced asthma, which is better described as “exercise-induced bronchoconstriction”.

    • Replies: @Couch scientist
  32. Of course, gays aren’t the only demographic group around NYC with particular issues in connection to COVID19.

    From Haaretz:

    “Pressure had been increasing on the community’s leaders to act after the news broke that hundreds of Haredim had attended a wedding in South Williamsburg on Tuesday – the same day New York Governor Andrew Cuomo declared a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people.

    “Following reports on Orthodox communities in New York and elsewhere continuing to hold large gatherings despite the health crisis, the White House held a phone briefing with community leaders on Tuesday [17 March–only a little over a week ago.]

    “The call, made in an attempt to convince them to better implement the guidelines for slowing the spread of the virus in their communities, included some 15 community leaders, most from New York and New Jersey.”

    Interesting that the “White House” has time to plead with NYC Jews to stop their destructive behavior while simultaneously doing everything on behalf of organized Jewry it can to weaponize COVID19 against Iranians.

    Just disgusting.

    It’s a lot like the (((media))) response to the refusal among many Orthodox Jews to vaccinate their children. Before that, the media view of “anti-vaxxers”–mostly conservative Christians in red states–was one of unconcealed contempt. But once it was revealed that Jews were doing something similar, the issue became oh-so-complicated. Because…a Jew has his reasons!

    And what’s the problem with these Jews who won’t stop congregating during this viral emergency?

    Well according to this opinion piece at JTA, these Jews aren’t plugged into the world with TV and internet, so they just don’t know what’s going on. Oh, and, of course, Holocaust:

    “Generational trauma also has a huge effect on my community’s ability to accept extreme measures imposed from the outside. Shutting down synagogues and schools inevitably brings up dark memories in a community that consists primarily of descendants of Holocaust and persecution survivors. It’s natural that leaders are extremely reluctant to accept such measures.”

  33. Lugash says:

    But this reminds me that a couple of the more perceptive observers, Charles Norman and Spotted Toad, independently observed that gay men seem to be suffering more severe illnesses for their ages.

    This has been known for a while, just not talked about. Gay men past about 50 suffer from memory loss, osteoporosis and cardiac issues. From what I’ve read a layman the thinking is the drugs they have to take are causing most of the issues, but it may be that even though the HIV infection is suppressed it’s causing issues.

    Plus lots of drug use, degenerate sex practices, blah blah blah.

    Personally I’m watching black America. It’s really bad anecdata, but I think I’ve seen more 40ish blacks without diagnosed health issues dying in the news. There’s a lot of hypertension, diabetes and weight problems in black America, I think they’re going to get hit harder.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @peterike
  34. @eric

    Pneumonia was know for years as “The Old Man’s Friend.”

  35. I don’t know any reason to think individually infected gay men are hit harder but they do seem to have higher prevalence. They tend to have highly active social lives and deeply interconnected social networks. The only personal acquaintance of mine who is sick is the partner of a gay man who was friends with my wife many years ago.

  36. @Lugash

    anecdata

    I hadn’t heard that used before. Good word.

  37. @nebulafox

    Agree.

    Steve, you’ve sort of been pitching this as the “hits the wholesome” anti-AIDS.

    But while it is has been spread around by the globalist frequent flyer set–along with overseas Chinese returning from Chinese New Year with family in China–it will kill primary people who are elderly and/or in crappy health.

    And “crappy health”–while there’s the “luck of the draw”–generally corresponds with the unwholesome. For instance, i’d guess if any 20 something is dying from this it’s likely they go a bad genetic deal and have been kept alive by all our modern medicine or they are an idiot who does something like vaping.

    And male homosexuality is one of the most unwholesome lifestyles out there. Historically these folks died early from disease and rarely limped into ripe old age. Modern hygiene and antibiotics have allowed huge numbers to make it into old age. But generally they’ll have more compromised immune systems. (On the other hand they likely have anti-virals in their medicine cabinet.)

  38. slumber_j says:
    @nebulafox

    Yeah, that’s what I immediately thought about teh gays when a friend told me about a middle-aged gay friend of hers who’d just died of the virus in Italy. That was on March 8, which was still sort of early days in the whole thing.

  39. @Paleo Liberal

    First the Prince of Monaco, now the Prince of Wales.

    Infected, not dead. The Brits can hold out hope they’ll be spared the reign Balmy Prince Charlie … but it’s unlikely.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  40. @AnotherDad

    Here is a great Woke scenario —

    The Royal Family is completely wiped out by Coronavirus. E2, Charles, William and all three of his children depart for their reward.

    Then, out of Canada, to rescue the Monarchy, come … the new Woke King Harry, Queen Meghan and Prince of Wales Archie

    Some people mistakenly assume when I come up with these crazy scenarios that either (a) I think this crazy stuff will really happen or (b) I want it to happen. In fact, I am just bored and playing around with weird scenarios.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @Anon
  41. BenKenobi says:
    @nebulafox

    Cartman’s mom Liane is a hermaphrodite, not a tranny. She was named for Trey Parker’s unfaithful former fiancé.

    Cartman’s real father ended up being Jack Tenorman, who played for the Denver Broncos (not sure if he was a real person). Unfortunately Cartman had previously ground up his (unbeknownst at the time) father and step-mother and made them into chili so he could serve them up as hot-dish revenge to his nemesis Scott Tenorman.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  42. @AnotherDad

    “Historically these folks died early from disease and rarely limped into ripe old age.”

    Well, historically, that was true of almost everybody. Life expectancy was quite low. Maybe it was even lower for homosexuals (or at least for those engaging in anal sex), but pretty clearly, before the late 2oth century, there was no data to support any conclusions to that effect.

    It may have been true that in the 1980s and 1990s, there was 20-year life expectancy gap. Today, with somewhat of a handle on AIDS and, that gap has likely diminished. On the psychological side, while gay males will always have relatively more emotional issues than heterosexuals–lack of family anchoring, hyper-focus on youth, disappointment to parents, etc–the media/cultural environment has certainly favored their lifestyle. And the degree of self-hatred that tended to accompany homosexuality in earlier modernity definitely appears to have diminished considerably insofar as one can judge. Also, white heterosexual males have now tended to follow destructive patterns of both black and gay behavior.

    So, not clear to me how large the life expectancy gap is now.

  43. @AnotherDad

    “Historically these folks died early from disease and rarely limped into ripe old age.”

    Well, historically, that was true of almost everybody. Life expectancy was quite low. Maybe it was even lower for homosexuals (or at least for those engaging in anal sex), but pretty clearly, before the late 2oth century, there was no data to support any conclusions to that effect.

    It may have been true that in the 1980s and 1990s, there was 20-year life expectancy gap. Today, with somewhat of a handle on AIDS and, that gap has likely diminished. On the psychological side, while gay males will always have relatively more emotional issues than heterosexuals–lack of family anchoring, hyper-focus on youth, disappointment to parents, etc–the media/cultural environment has certainly favored their lifestyle. And the degree of self-hatred that tended to accompany homosexuality in earlier modernity definitely appears to have diminished considerably insofar as one can judge. Also, white heterosexual males have now tended to follow destructive patterns of both black and gay behavior.

    So, not clear to me how large the life expectancy gap is now.

  44. @Hhsiii

    Re Rim Jobs
    FWIW
    “Also important: Compared to study patients without gastrointestinal issues [such as diarrhea], those who had GI complaints had a higher risk of mortality.”

    https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/is-diarrhea-a-symptom-of-covid-19

  45. @Jonathan Mason

    Right. Medically noticable weakness of the lungs is a bad starting point for dealing with this virus.

  46. anon[134] • Disclaimer says:

    A huge amount of money was thrown at aids research and treatment. Not just science but technology. Just google RNA testing.

  47. @Hhsiii

    It’s almost like traditional morality is better for your life and health.

    Nah, that’s crazy intolerant talk.

  48. Re sex/gender- women seem, generally, to do better with C-Chan than men:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html

    Here’s why the coronavirus may be killing more men than women. The US should take note

  49. tr says: • Website

    I would have guessed that HIV drugs might also be effective against the coronavirus. Both are RNA based, aren’t they?

  50. @Paleo Liberal

    They weren’t ready in the 1640s, but the Brits could still take the opportunity of QE2’s passing to shuck this pathetic nonsense and grab some republican self-respect.

    Of course, they–and the whole West–have other big issue as minoritarianism on top of female sufferage seems to have sane republican self-government knocked back. And crazed fellow-traveler elties run amok.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  51. Okay, here we go, gay men….
    1. Compromised immune systems due to their disgusting and dangerous sexual behavior, mixing saliva, feces, blood, semen and vomit in a demonic cocktail of death (see Andrew Gillum for details, and HIV infection rates for historical data).
    2. They live in the major cities. You can’t get your fag on in a small town, nobody cares. Cities are full of filthy and disgusting foreign immigrants and whatnots, jammed together in a fetid viral stew. So, no joke a novel virus is having a field day with that group.
    3. They congregate. People who congregate and hug each other are getting hit hard: Italians, Jews, various dingy middle easterners. Well, gays are always hugging, kissing and generally messing with each other. Again, a perfect infection vector for this fake boomer virus.
    4. They’re GAY. So they’re drama queens and whiners. Such people are more likely to get tested and thereby more likely to get a positive result.
    Put them all together it spells HOMOVIRUS. No need to get hung up on subtlety. QED.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  52. Seek says:
    @william munny

    For black women, doing one’s nails and braiding one’s hair are the supreme virtues.

  53. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:

    When I read that men are more susceptible than women, I immediately thought of gays, not smokers. I remember an aunt who began work as a public health nurse around 1960 telling me that gay men had the highest rated of STDs of all kinds.

  54. G. Poulin says:

    The body of the average flamer is a walking, talking disease factory. Of course they are going to get hit harder.

  55. Something that isn’t as known as it should be is that a big reason HIV ripped thru the gay population in the way it initially did was that many of those guys were already sick and weak. They’d had multiple bouts with VDs (sorry, STIs), some had had hepatitis and other gruesome, major diseases, they’d nearly all been doing lots of poppers … They were weakened critters, and they were living a completely crazy lifestyle.

    A very interesting read is Gabriel Rotello’s “Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men.” It’s pretty PC in general but it shares a lot of medical/sciency info about HIV/AIDS that the popular press wasn’t telling us about at the time.

    Here’s a little something I wrote back in the day.

    http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/02/aids_and_immune.html

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Niccolo Salo
    , @fish
  56. @Hhsiii

    From NYC DOH document:

    “Having close contact — including sex — with a small circle of people helps prevent spreading COVID-19.”

    Hmmmm…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  57. Yes, The Mathematical Mayans Weren’t Quite Caltech-y

    – haven’t the foggiest if the below has already been cited here. A small study showed “no benefit” with use of Lopinavir-Ritonavir (brand name Kaletra*- used to treat HIV infection) for SARS-CoV-2.
    (The New England Journal of Medicine is offering this stuff free to non-subscribers)

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001282?query=featured_home

    Meanwhile:
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/22/gilead-suspends-access-to-experimental-covid-19-drug-remdesivir/

    [MORE]

    * The name “Kaletra” might sound creepy to some of us Doomer-Boomers as a result of having watched “Caltiki -The Immortal Monster” (1959 (“The Blob(1958)). Caltiki is a “unicellular bacterium” which, when exposed to radiation from a periodic comet, threatens to overrun the earth with a plague of “amorphous blobs.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caltiki_%E2%80%93_The_Immortal_Monster

    The “collapse” of the Mayan civilization was caused by just such a pestilence:

  58. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    I think King Harry, Queen Meghan and POW Archie would be soooo cool, if for nothing else, the eruptions of angry Americans on UNZ and freerepublic

  59. @AnotherDad

    They weren’t ready in the 1640s, but the Brits could still take the opportunity of QE2’s passing to shuck this pathetic nonsense and grab some republican self-respect.

    Not too long ago, I would have agreed with this. There seem to be only two reasons for the Monarchy:
    1. Tourism dollars
    2. Gossip columns. If they didn’t have the Royal Family, they would have to write about the ilk of Kardashians.

    But, there is one other thing about the Monarchy, which I might have missed in my younger times.

    Confucius wrote in the Warring States period, which was a time far more chaotic then the present day. The Master Kung became a big fan of tradition, ritual, and public spectacle. The Master believed these things helped keep a fractious society together.

    So, what did you have to say about the UK in the Current Year?

    Of course, they–and the whole West–have other big issue as minoritarianism on top of female sufferage seems to have sane republican self-government knocked back. And crazed fellow-traveler elties run amok.

    Well, I wouldn’t go this far. But your reasoning makes a strong case for the tradition, ritual and public spectacle of the Monarchy as a damper on the race to a non-British UK.

  60. @nebulafox

    How has it been lately? I haven’t really looked at it in maybe a decade. Is it just running out of steam, not very funny anymore, or has it become more PC?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  61. peterike says:
    @Lugash

    It’s really bad anecdata, but I think I’ve seen more 40ish blacks without diagnosed health issues dying in the news. There’s a lot of hypertension, diabetes and weight problems in black America,

    Blacks also really, really like weed. And in recent years as pot has either been getting legalized outright or decriminalized, my guess is smoking rates have gone up dramatically. Before the lockdown, you’d basically smell pot smoke everywhere you went in New York, and more often than not if you looked around it was some black dudes smoking. I’ve even seen black high-rise construction workers smoking weed around here, and they’re probably in the top 10% of black income.

    I know in my building, basically every 40 and older black dude I get into the elevator with absolutely reeks of weed. In one apartment, the guy was such as relentless weed smoker that it was stinking up the hall on his floor, and the building management made him put one of those draft blocking things under his door. Pot is terrible for your lungs.

    Has anyone bothered to ask how many Covid sufferers are pot smokers? Maybe we’re not allowed to ask.

  62. @Hhsiii

    Beggar, Bugger, Whatever…

    During this era of [m]ass unemployment, comic recounts effort to stimulate the underground economy by yelling at a panhandler: “Get a rim job!”

    RIMSHOT

  63. e says:

    Well, the geh gotta par-tey! (And perhaps their load of other pathogens leaves them more susceptible than straight men who par-tey).

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/thousands-attended-miami-gay-festival-several-later-tested-positive-coronavirus-n1161496

  64. @nebulafox

    The classic cartoon of the Classic All-American White Trash Scumbag.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @nebulafox
  65. If gay men are hit harder, it will be used as yet another weepy cudgel to guilt trip straight world into more concessions and benefits. At least until total collapse when only the strong shall rule.

  66. Anonymous[749] • Disclaimer says:

    Gay man penchant for anonymous sex, and bloody bum-buggery would mean a bell curve of their collective immune system would be farther on the left side of those who passionately eschew butt piracy.

    Lesbian low death rate due to immunity challenges might support my claim, although their penchant for “eating at the ‘Y’” brings about immunity challenges specific to them, ie throat cancer and other transmitted vagina to mouth disease. Ask Michael Douglas of the dangers of dumpster diving into nature’s hazardous waste ditch.

    A significant number of throat cancers are directly due to the practice. Lesbians should stick to stop-one. Straight men need to find another way.

    All that said, gay men lead the pack in immunity challenging practices. Naturally, they should be dying more, until they internalize the fact that nature doesn’t care what they like, and modify their behaviors.

  67. Bruno says:

    So you have nothing about Gay being hit harder, except HIV memories, but couldn’t help, nor resist, a chance to point.

    If their sex clubs are closed, churches should a fortiori be closed because you have an obvious pattern of religious gatherings being a big vector. Maybe it’s the faithful spit when they pray out loud together that is filthy.

    The Rimming ad from NY sounds anti gay to me. People are always talking about shit to discriminate against gays (gay —> sodomy —> shit). That’s a pattern. Pastor Phelps of Godhatefags called them coprophiles (with more plain words and drawings). One should look at the people working on this campaign to see whether it was done by hatred motives.

    • LOL: BenKenobi
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Lawrence Goes Full Necro?
    Or: Seven-Inch Pillar of Wisdom?

    “pitchtentmate”

    FIFY

    [MORE]

    I might have been in the seventh grade when my old man convinced me to read Lawrence’s biggee for a book report. Not being particularly clever, bogged down in the details, got through maybe a third of the tome and recall scarcely anything other than a striking passage about dead bodies lookin’ good under moonlight. That was so long ago, but the reaction was probably something like, “Jeez – the guy’s a fag!”

    Googling –

    “The dead men looked wonderfully beautiful. The night was shining gently down, softening them into new ivory. Turks were white-skinned on their clothed parts, much whiter than the Arabs; and these soldiers had been very young. Close round them lapped the dark wormwood, now heavy with dew, in which the ends of the moonbeams sparkled like sea-spray.”

    Great Literature? Hellifiknow, but would that I could write so gud.

    https://dalspace.library.dal.ca/bitstream/handle/10222/59421/dalrev_vol51_iss1_pp49_59.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

    Also see Tee Hee Lawrence’s pre-AIDS, pre Gay Bowel Syndrome, pre-Che unpublished
    The Motorcycle Diarrhoeas

  69. keypusher says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    I’m friends with several gay couples who have been together 25-30+ years, eat right, work out, don’t seem to drink a lot. Who knows how it will work out, but they all look a lot healthier than I do.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
  70. Art Deco says:
    @ql

    Supposedly, there are 1,250 cases in Georgia. Nationally, serious / critical cases account for just north of 2% of the total. North of 4 million people live around Atlanta. I’m willing to wager they have more than a couple of dozen ICU beds.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  71. BenKenobi says:
    @Sam Malone

    Trey Parker pretty much writes and directs every episode now.

    Parker was briefly married to a black chick and had a mulatter wife’s son for a while. They are now mercifully divorced. My personal theory is that PC hectoring from her led to most of the decline.

    They’ve lost a lot of their fire. I still appreciate what they do as a life-long fan that watched the first broadcast episode at the age of 13. They still have their moments, however.

    Here’s their take on the tranny issue with a pitch perfect Macho Man Randy Savage:

    • Replies: @Triumph104
  72. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    North of 60% of the AIDS deaths recorded each year in this country are those of homosexual and bisexual men. The susceptibility of the gay male population vis a vis the remainder of society hasn’t changed much in 35 years.

  73. Visionary says:

    Steve, I’m a physician in NYC, and want to know what your take is:

    I’m wondering if people who are being hospitalized and who are likely to crump are much more likely to be those who have co-infections with COVID and influenza, *particularly if they have no comorbidities or are not old*.

    I think that is what explains why the US has hospitalizations rates break down the way they do (which was confusing me), why Italy is getting hammered all at once, and why places like South Korea and Japan have ridiculously low hospitalization rates of people, particularly those who are young.

    The US vaccinates the elderly the most (pretty well to be fair), the young (6-17) second most, 50-65 third most, and the lowest people from 18-49 (basically only 25-30 percent of people).

    South Korea vaccinates an insane amount of the old, and pretty much is better than us even in the young. Japan isn’t so great BUT South Korea and Japan also tend to have low rates of influenza.

    Italy sucks at vaccinating the elderly (they’re waaay worse than us) and pretty much everyone else too, plus they have high influenza incidence rates.

    So you get a situation where South Korea and Japan have low hospitalization rates, with SK doing amazingly well, we have PREFERENTIALLY elevated hospitalization rates of our young between 18-49 (since we don’t vaccinate them very well), and Italy gets hospitalization of basically everyone, but the ones who get hammered are the elderly who are not vaccinated since they’re at highest risk a priori.

    The tip off is multifold:

    First: when you look at our non-overwhelmed death rate after hospitalization due to influenza and coronavirus, it’s almost literally the same (7-8 percent). This suggests to me that coronavirus just might be permitting opportunistic infections to nail you. Sort of like an HIV phenomenon. Meaning while it DOES have the capacity to kill you, that’s probably less likely than how you actually do die. And the opportunistic infection is influenza for the most part if you’re being hospitalized for “coronavirus”.

    Second: you look at Italy and they’ve almost stopped counting influenza deaths, but somehow their numbers for coronavirus are kind of on scale of what you’d see for influenza, only it’s sped up (like everyone is presenting like they’re end-stage influenza). It’s also right at the peak of Italian flu deaths historically.

    Third: There is a case report from China of co-infection shows that these patients get hammered as a proof of concept. It’s the only one I can find because they were intrepid in testing both. We are not testing both often at all.

    Fourth: COVID19 host immune reponse: it causes lymphopenia which means some white blood cells actually go DOWN, which explains why it initially is asymptomatic. It ALSO explains why the secondary infections are so terrible (your immune system basically doesn’t stop the initial infection), and why the worst patients start mimicking apparently severe influenza. In particular, influenza often takes you out by causing severe ARDS. That’s pretty much what’s killing these patients with coronavirus. It also explains why anti-virals that “work” for influenza don’t work for coronavirus in severe cases — you need a decent immune system to clear out these viruses, and those things don’t work for coronavirus. So you get this double hit, but everyone just classifies it as “coronavirus”.

    Fifth: Unless you’re a medical professional who is being exposed to massive viral loads every 5 minutes (so like ED or ICU), if you’re exposed and then go home, I’ve now heard of multiple medical professionals have relatively mild disease. Cough, some fever, but no hospitalization. I think part of that has to do with it being mandatory they get influenza vaccines. Indeed, I now suspect that if that weren’t the case, the rates of death for medical professionals would be insanely higher.

    As an aside, the UK is great for older patients >65 in vaccinations (>70 percent) and TERRIBLE for younger patients (13 percent). They’re getting hit with younger patients being hospitalized.

    France is even worse – they’re terrible for older patients (around 42 percent) and even more terrible for younger patients (13% but only for those who are “at risk”). Unsurprisingly, they’re getting hit with younger patients being hospitalized.

    I can’t figure out Germany yet – they haven’t really released their hospitalization rate breakdowns, but they’re also terrible with young (and old) vaccinations.

    This clinically really matters because if the hypothesis is correct, one response is to try to get as many people vaccinated for influenza like right now, even if they’re 18-49 in the US, but in an orderly fashion. We actually HAVE that vaccine at present, and can potentially scale it up. Certainly we should think of doing so once we get through this to avoid the second round in like 5 months.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  74. @Chrisnonymous

    Is that NYC DOH! as in Homer Simpson?

    In terms of small circle, do they explain if that is serially or simultaneously?

  75. BenKenobi says:
    @obwandiyag

    The classic seethe of the non-White.

  76. Art Deco says:
    @Art Deco

    It was the municipal mayor who made that remark. Less than 10% of those living in the Atlanta commuter belt live in the core city (v. 1/4 of the Los Angeles commuter belt and 40% of the New York commuter belt).

  77. Gay men share something in common with Iranians: both have very high rates of sexually transmitted diseases. We already know the Chinese flu doesn’t like Iranians very much. The “why” of that hasn’t been fully addressed.

  78. Is Charles Norman on Twitter? What is his username?

  79. @Bucky

    I presume “chemsex” is a gay thing in the States as it is in the UK. Can’t improve one’s general level of health I’d have thought.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/nov/07/nhs-urged-to-respond-to-growing-health-dangers-of-chemsex

    The official ideology of the UK is that there’s no problem at all with anonymous sex with multiple partners, so Public Health England is only allowed to worry about the drug dependency bit.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/substance-misuse-services-for-men-involved-in-chemsex

  80. Anonymous[370] • Disclaimer says:

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/03/grindr-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html

    Coronavirus Diaries: The Guys Are Wild on Grindr Right Now

    • Replies: @Bruno
  81. @peterike

    “Has anyone bothered to ask how many Covid sufferers are pot smokers? Maybe we’re not allowed to ask.”

    I know that Jamaican reggae musicians, who historically hit the ganja pretty hard, don’t seem to make three score and ten that often. Cancer (and ‘shot’) seems to rank high.

    https://www.dancehallreggaeworld.com/deceased-reggae-artists.html

  82. @Hhsiii

    Don’t It Make My Brown Eye…White?

    Now that Clorox is off the shelves is a shortage looming tragically for those who have a desperate need for anal bleaching?
    Googling….

    The Good News: The above solution of sodium hypochlorite is not required
    The Bad News: “The cheapest approach to anal bleaching is DIY, but it’s risky… Some chemicals in skin-lightening products, like kojic acid and hydroquinone, may be considered carcinogenic, as per data from the National Institute of Health.”

    https://www.cosmopolitan.com/health-fitness/advice/a3634/anal-bleaching-trend/

    …wtf?…hydro WHAT!?!…sounds like…uh oh…
    more visits to emergency rooms in crowded hospitals for poisoning?

    Also see: HRC Bleachbit Blonde

  83. LondonBob says:

    Are Jews harder hit?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Fredrik
  84. utu says:

    Does smoking put you at greater risk of the coronavirus? Scientists discover critically ill patients are more likely to be smokers – but one Chinese study finds they are LESS likely to get the killer infection in the first place

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152597/Does-smoking-greater-risk-coronavirus.html

    • Replies: @anon
  85. @Paleo Retiree

    I came across you link years and years ago. Thank you for this.

  86. Ed says:

    The Above the Law blog founder is on a ventilator, he is a 44 year old gay Asian male.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/above-the-law-blog-founder-david-lat-on-ventilator-with-coronavirus/

    Lat, 44, founder of the legal blog Above the Law, has been put on a ventilator and is “not doing great,” with doctors “taking it hour by hour, day by day,” his husband, Zachary Baron Shemtob, told the New York Law Journal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. @flayotters

    PrEP (PreExposureProphylaxis) has also diminished fears of developing full blown AIDS and thus imbued gay men with a sense of security sufficient enough to allay fears of engaging in high risk behaviours that expose them to pathogens other than the AIDS virus.

    Put another way, if you’ve been conditioned to fear the AIDS virus, and it’s suddenly, (effectively), gone, even though there are shigella, entamoeba, gonnohrea and giardia still out there, to your conditioned mind, the coast is, (falsely), clear.

  88. @nebulafox

    Um, men are vulnerable to throat cancer resulting from HPV (a virus that gives women cervical cancer).

    Are lesbian women also at risk of throat cancer from this cause?

    • Replies: @bucky
  89. nebulafox says:
    @obwandiyag

    That’s me! And proud of it: better an unapologetically honest lowlife who is what he is, 100%, than a preening hypocrite who deals in BS like most people in charge of the US. Scumbag white trash though I am, didn’t stop me from getting a job with one of the best places to obsess over STEM on the planet. Now I can bring back actual research problems rather than physics textbooks next time I sit down in front of a nude strip dancer.

    Where’s my Jack Daniels? It makes my C++ and Haskell more expressive, it makes my mathematical creativity go up, and it makes even complete idiots like you somewhat sufferable. However: you want to talk to me while I’m in laser-focus mode, my personal rule is that you need to take a shot for every comment or question. Think of it as like a mix between conversation quality control and insect repellent, depending on the person I’m dealing with. Goes without saying you’d be the latter, so… maybe shoo?

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  90. nebulafox says:
    @BenKenobi

    I know. But this would have been better. Cartman and Kyle would have been half-brothers instead. Cartman also would have been half-Jewish, and his real mother would have been the BFB.

  91. bucky says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    I know one lesbian woman who has throat cancer and multiple sclerosis.

    I think that it comes from oral sex and HPV.

    • Replies: @anon
  92. They’re getting absolutely POUNDED by the virus.

  93. @Reg Cæsar

    These practices need to be criminalized once again, along with their depiction.

    I say again, RAMZAN KADYROV 2024.

    • Troll: Bruno
  94. @LondonBob

    I vaguely believe British Jews have quite long lifespans.

  95. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    But he WAS, in fact, a pervert.

    We all have our sins and will need God’s forgiveness, so Rest In Peace, Mr. McNally.
    But let’s not say foolish things like “he wasn’t a pervert.”

  96. @RadicalCenter

    Aw dood, you’re reading literally instead of elastically: word by word instead of premise by premise. I don’t know anything about McNally’s predilections except that he was gay — you’re conflating him as a person with a metaphor that I used with respect to something he wrote. Some of us have more than one witty bachelor uncle with a dirty sense of humor, one of whom is a pervert while the other one isn’t, so we kinda-sorta know the difference.

    But if you reward yourself one fine quarantined evening by reading “Noon,” you’ll find that McNally could be quite the genial moralist in sexual matters. The crazy tirade about Grove Press is rather prudish at heart, and worth the price of admission all by itself.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
  97. The problem with long-term data about gay men’s lifespans and overall health is that everything got wildly thrown out of whack with AIDS in the 80s/90s.

    I have read that gay men in general have more health issues and shorter lifespans but I have no idea how much of that is due to HIV/AIDS and how that is different now that it’s very treatable and even moreso now with PrEP (for those not in the know, it’s a pill you take that prevents you from getting HIV), since less and less gay men are getting HIV thanks to it. I have to admit that after reading that PrEP had been used as a treatment for COVID-19, I went down to my local gay men’s health clinic and requested some to stockpile just in case, but I stopped short from taking it. PrEP does potentially damage kidney function and bone density so who knows what the long-term effects would be on lifespan.

    No idea how any of this interacts with COVID-19 either.

    For older gay men, if they are hit harder it’s probably HIV-related since a much higher percentage have it versus young gay guys.

    If younger gay men are also more susceptible, my hunch is that it’s due to lowered immune systems thanks to more stress moreso than anything HIV-related. Gay men tend to live in expensive areas in big cities (especially when they can barely afford it), have jobs that are gig-to-gig, and gay dating app culture is not really psychologically healthy these days. On the other hand, gays of all ages these days work out a lot.

  98. @peterike

    The easy solution is to consume marijuana in edible form. No smoke, no damage to the lungs, throat, or immune system. It’s a wonderful and useful plant for relaxation and medical purposes.

    I’m not sure that African-“Americans” are much more into marijuana than other groups in the USA any more. It’s popular and very widely used in the USA by people who are not African, musicians, slackers, or any other stereotype these days.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @TWS
  99. @ql

    A Hong Kong man apparently caught Covid -19 from his two floors below neighbors via the toilet pipe.

    While most of the newly confirmed patients had recent travel history, at least one of the victims — a man aged 59 — had no such record, and was instead suspected to have contracted the virus from a couple living downstairs, the health department’s Centre for Health Protection (CHP) said.

    According to the CHP, the man (the 140th case) lives in a unit on the 34th floor of a building at Fu Heng Estate, a public housing estate in Tai Po, two floors above a couple (the 119th and 124th cases) who were confirmed earlier as Covid-19 cases from the same building.

    …They found the couple had the vent pipe of their toilet cut off.

    Yuen said after the inspection that virus from the couple’s bodily waste may have entered the pipe after atomization. It should normally have been exhausted from the air vent on the roof, but possibly due to the turbulence effect, it may have ended up in the man’s flat and got him infected, he said.

    https://ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/2404162/20200316-tai-po-housing-estate-sees-3rd-covid-19-case-in-same-building

  100. @keypusher

    That’s because they know that men are attracted to firm bodies and work hard to keep themselves that way. They wouldn’t have stayed 20+ years together otherwise.

  101. @The Alarmist

    Cry me a river. Women can’t stand not being the absolute centre of attention for more than one second. And despite being less than 2% of the population, gay men have contributed more to the arts and science throughout history than women ever have (who are the female Michelangelo and Alan Turing?), so yes, we will take the front seat. Unfortunately for you, gay men don’t care about women’s entitlement and tantrums. We are not slaves to you for your body parts.

  102. SFG says:
    @Known Fact

    Straight men are limited in our promiscuity because we have to convince women to say ‘yes’.

  103. @RadicalCenter

    P.S. having said all that, it would be especially wise for pot smokers to take a long break from smoking until this virus has been thoroughly defeated. Like half a year or a year. No need to increase one’s chance of getting a serious respiratory problem from a COVID-19 infection.

    As for people who use high-CBD marijuana on a doctor’s recommendation for relief of pain and muscle spasm, as I do: it’s easy to find legal lab-tested marijuana that is quite strong, high in both CBD and THC. If one smokes rather than going the edible route, one doesn’t need to smoke much at all for the desired effects. For some people this can be only one gram per day spread over several administrations.

  104. Lugash says:
    @peterike

    That too. And intermittent hard drug use up and down the economic scale.

    In my mixed age middle class white neighborhood there’s tons of pot smokers. You can smell it in the entire neighborhood around 6:00PM weekdays, it seems everyone comes home and gets baked on their medical marijuana prescription.

  105. @BenKenobi

    Parker was briefly married to a black chick and had a mulatter wife’s son for a while. They are now mercifully divorced. My personal theory is that PC hectoring from her led to most of the decline.

    Trey Parker’s second wife, Boogie Tillmon Parker, is biracial not black. Linked photos of her parents. She used to be a stripper. In addition to her son, Boogie and Trey have a blonde daughter together. Trey’s first wife is Japanese.

    Matt Stone’s wife is black.

    • Replies: @Anon
  106. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triumph104

    So both Trey Parker and Matt Stone are race traitors.

  107. CJ says:
    @nebulafox

    South Park can still be great. For example, Mickey Mouse the gangster boss of Disney is a character way way ahead of the curve, particularly in his October 2019 return (Season 23 Episode 2) where he demands total fealty to the Chinese government from Disney characters like Winnie the Pooh.

    Ron Unz (pbuh) should have a permanent link to that episode. A taste of the brilliance:

  108. TWS says:

    I think every single human has noticed this. Some just won’t admit it. The continual ingestion of fecal matter and invasion of vulnerable orifices can’t be healthy

  109. TWS says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Never once met a person who used medical marijuana who did not use it socially and recreationally. It’s not like I use my statins to relax in the afternoon or take the edge off

  110. Fredrik says:
    @LondonBob

    In Sweden the early report was that 6 of the first 9 dead in Stockholm were Somalis.

  111. @Oscar Peterson

    Today, with somewhat of a handle on AIDS and, that gap has likely diminished.

    Do you have numbers? IIRC the Alan Guttmacher Institute’s numbers from circa 1992 were Gay-Men-Age-At-Death of 39 for HIV positives, but 41 for HIV negatives.

  112. fish says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    Thank you for the book suggestion…..just started it last night!

  113. BB753 says:

    Buggery is bad for you.

  114. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Wasn’t he the author of that Frankie & Johnny play, which I rather liked?

    His LTC, whose name I forget, died of AIDs in 2000 or thereabouts. It’s quite like he gave the bug to McNally. He was old and the virus was the coup de grace.

  115. Bruno says:
    @Anonymous

    The article says the opposite. Nothing happening on their Grindr app. Allegedy sex parties weren’t cancelled but you don’t know if people showed up

  116. New Orleans is gayer than your typical southern city and it’s SARS-2 outbreaks has been accelerated compared to most of the country.

  117. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    TikTok dude GayShawnMendes might be able to tell us. Possible Darwin award winner.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/influencer-reportedly-hospitalized-with-coronavirus-after-licking-toilet/

  118. anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    PrEP – Truveda is a Gilead product
    https://www.truvada.com/how-to-get-truvada-for-prep/truvada-cost

    Gilead ‘donated’ a boatload of the drug, but federal govt pays for everything else to the tune of multiple millions.

  119. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Lat, 44, founder of the legal blog Above the Law, has been put on a ventilator and is “not doing great,” with doctors “taking it hour by hour, day by day,” his husband, Zachary Baron Shemtob, told the New York Law Journal.

    UPDATE:

    Lat remains sedated on a ventilator at NYU Langone undergoing an experimental treatment of azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine. Shemtob told Law.com that, at this point, the treatment Donald Trump has been hyping on Twitter (based on a small French study) is the best option:

    “[I]f they [doctors] had a non-experimental regime, this is what one would want, but the problem is given how new and novel this virus is, we are just wanting them [the doctors] to do, to do what they think makes the most sense medically.”

    https://abovethelaw.com/2020/03/wishing-david-lat-a-speedy-recovery-from-covid-19/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  120. When AIDS hit in San Francisco, there were two populations that were infected; Gays and IV drug users. Gays had a much longer life expectancy because they typically had either a lover or a wider community of other gays who helped out with food and care. The drug users had alienated everyone around them and had none and so died very quickly. In Japanese POW camps, the Australians had “mates”. It was a buddy system whereby every prisoner had other soldier they personally looked after when they were sick or unable to provision themselves. This radically upped survival rates.

    Families are the ultimate expression of this. This plague will bring out the survival instincts in the population. The K selected will tightly band together whereas the r selected will go it alone and die.

  121. eah says:

    When dealing with a novel phenomenon, any kind of recognized pattern might prove useful.

    I recognized a pattern in your early posts mentioning COVID-19 — do I get credit for that?

    Does anyone care to conjecture how an 81 y/o man, someone with serious existing health issues, and who probably didn’t get out much, managed to acquire COVID-19? — I find this question far more interesting than whether (or not) ‘gay men are hit harder’.

    McNally died in Sarasota, Florida, on March 24, 2020, at the age of 81, from complications of coronavirus disease 2019 during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. He had previously overcome lung cancer in the late 1990s that cost him both portions of his lungs due to the disease, and he was living with COPD at the time of his death.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  122. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    As of yesterday, they’d discontinued the drug therapies and just have him on a ventilator. Supposedly there’s been some mild improvement in his oxygen levels.

  123. @eah

    Airborne fecal contamination?

    But although these pollutants can put dangerous stress on respiratory systems, particularly those of the elderly, sick and very young, they are not in and of themselves carriers of disease. That contrasts with the particles of dried human fecal matter that first began to be detected in Mexico City`s air some 15 years ago.

    These contaminants come from the open dumps that were repositories for human waste in the squalid slums that ring the city. During dry period when winds sweep down from the nearby mountains, the fecal matter is blown out of these shantytown pits and across the city in a cloud of dust. Because many of the producers of this waste are in poor health, the particles contain numerous pathogens, including dysentery-producing micro-organisms and salmonella.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-10-17-8503100922-story.html

  124. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    but one Chinese study finds they are LESS likely to get the killer infection in the first place

    There are smokers and there are smokers.
    Some are just puffers, others are deep breathers. Does having smoke residue on face eyes mouth, nose confer protection from viruses?
    They’re all mouth breathers so perhaps the comparison might be Mouth Breathers vs Nose Breathers.

  125. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @bucky

    I know one lesbian woman who has throat cancer and multiple sclerosis.

    Lesbians appear prone to MS and Breast Cancer.
    Maybe there’s an emotional aspect to these diseases, a form of thinking that goes with it.
    Breast cancer among men is extremely rare, Sydney’s granny killer John Glover was a sufferer.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  126. @anon

    Pregnancy is said to protect somewhat against breast cancer. It’s more common in lesbians and nuns than in mothers.

  127. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    Is it absence of pregnancy or absence of breastfeeding? I would expect the latter.

  128. The first corona virus death in Miami-Dade was announced today. He was a 40-year old gay man. I do not know if he had any underlying health problems or compromised immunity.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162957/Miami-records-coronavirus-death-Man-40-fell-ill-beach-party.html

    Having worked in medical settings most of my life, it is very frustrating reading newspaper reports of deaths, because I have no more insight into the true story than anyone else, whereas when you are dealing at first hand with deaths that are reported in media, you can easily see what the media have got right, what they have got wrong, and what they did not know.

    It is easy to think “aha, he died young from an infection and he was gay, he must have had HIV”, but we simply don’t know if this is true or just a prejudice.

    When we read about someone recovering quickly from corona virus when given an experimental anti-viral drug, we do not know if they were given the drug because they were HIV positive.

    We the public really don’t know anything about individual cases.

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