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Way back in late July, I wrote about the much discussed but not particularly existent (even yet) Ukrainian offensive to take back Kherson, the only Ukrainian city conquered by the Russians that is west of the mighty Dnieper River. At the end, I speculated:

Or it could be that the far from secret Kherson offensive is intended as a distraction for something else the Ukrainians have up their sleeve.

But in an age of constant satellite and drone surveillance, can anybody actually pull off feints and occluded offensives anymore? We haven’t seen a lot of brilliant stratagems in this war yet. That may have less to do with the inadequacies of the leadership than with technological evolution of surveillance leading to an era in which battles turn into tests of strength that both sides can see coming a long way off.

Apparently, you can still fool some of the people at least some of the time, because this week, after the Russians had been reinforcing Kherson, the Ukrainians launched their most successful offensive of the war, rolling 30 miles into previously Russian-held Ukraine far to the north of Kherson in the Kharkov Oblast, threatening the major logistics hubs of the Russians’ in the northeast.

Reports of the last 60 minutes say that both the key rail junction of Kupiansk and (perhaps) the forward hub of Izium (which can only be supplied by rail through Kupiansk) have fallen to Ukraine’s offensive. But those (especially Izium) are unconfirmed at this point.

Update: Now there is chatter about the Russians pulling out of Lyman as well:

So we now know that the Ukrainians can go on the offensive. That’s an important development.

Also, we now know the Russian invaders don’t seem to have much of a do-or-die spirit when stressed.

But, can you blame them? After all, Ukraine is not their country; they’ve got their own country to go home to.

Feel free to prove me wrong by posting in the comments the entire transcript of Mr. Putin’s two-hour speech about why Ukraine isn’t really a real country. (Please use the “[More]” button, though.)

Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

But it is now.

 
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  1. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, can you review the new Timothée Chalamet movie? You haven’t reviewed a movie in a while.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @BB753
  2. It’s possible, just harder.

  3. Anon[289] • Disclaimer says:

    This reminds me how just in just the last few weeks there were numerous people who were pro-Russia who denied that Ukraine even had any offensive capability and the idea that they could advance and gain land miles past Russian front lines was totally impossible and hopeless. Will be fun to see how they cope about this on this post.

  4. War as sportsball.

    Warball.

  5. Daniel H says:

    The biggest feint the feinters ever feinted on man was to feint that race displacement doesn’t exist.

  6. For over two centuries, wars have been won not by taking territory but by annihilating, isolating, or incapacitating the enemy forces or by destroying their ability to be resupplied.

    The British took the colonists’ capital, Philadelphia. They did not eliminate the Continental Army. They did not win.

    Napoleon took lots of Russian territory. So did Hitler. They did not win.

    Yes, in the final stage of a war, after the enemy forces have been nullified, you take territory. Lots of territory. But until then, territory per se does not matter.

    It always surprises me that so many people are so ignorant of the military history of the last several centuries.

    War is about defeating the other side’s army. Nothing else really matters.

  7. The Russian Army in Ukraine is incredibly incompetent. Most of the troops Ukraine is rolling up around Kherson are poorly motivated conscripts from the DNR and LNR and Russian police who have been pressed into service (in fact, you even see gloating in Russian social media about the Rosgvardia lads getting slaughtered now that they have to actually fight and not just punch female protesters in the stomach).

    For whatever reason, Putin has still refused to commit elite troops to the “Special Operation”. As Ukraine moves forward towards Donetsk at blitzkrieg pace, 50,000 of Russia’s best soldiers are playing war games out in the Russian Far East, helping to train Chinese troops.

    Perhaps it makes sense to keep the A Team in reserve for defense against an actual NATO attack on Russia, but a defeat on this scale, even if it’s the Russian C Team, is doing immense damage to Russian prestige.

    Putin also is facing the problem that he is chewing up the interior security forces. Regional leaders are increasingly unafraid of Moscow and there won’t be many police left to deal with large protests if Russians decide to go on the streets.

  8. @PhysicistDave

    The British took the colonists’ capital, Philadelphia. They did not eliminate the Continental Army. They did not win.

    Napoleon took lots of Russian territory. So did Hitler. They did not win.

    Yes, and in this case Russia is the invader and Ukraine is the country that has been trading territory in favor of attrition of the enemy. You are actually making the historical case why Russia won’t beat Ukraine. You do realize that, right?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Sean
  9. @Anonymous

    I think I’ll wait for Ridley Scott’s “Napoleon” biopic with Joaquin Phoenix as Bonaparte.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Thanks: James of Africa
    • Replies: @Ray P
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    , @Alden
  10. Anon[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greta Handel

    Apparently you have a great love of Warball, given that you’ve made dozens of comments about the Russian-Ukraine War. Most people just think about it every once in a while when they see a bit about it on tee-vee. But you actually care enough to comment about it on many different articles many different times on a somewhat obscure website.

    Must be nice to be such a connoisseur of Warball, Greta Handel. I feel like you could even be a warball talk radio host if you wanted to maybe. Or play in a warball fantasy league. Seems like it would be right up your alley.

  11. For a feint, they seem to have lost a great deal of lives – at least on the basis that Russian reports that have consistently turned out to be accurate in March, April, May, June, July and August are half accurate in September.

    Rather I think they have attacked both areas and failed in Kherson.

    Yes they have taken advanced in a wedge the 35 miles to Kupiansk*. Which is far greater than anything they have achieved before (unless you really believe Russia was trying to take Kiev with 25k troops – clearly ridiculous).
    But this is essentially open land with a few villages only, the kind of territory where the Russian airforce will dominate completely.
    This might be a victory, it might be the prelude to a big defeat. And there is very little reporting for us to know.

    * I understand that Russian sources were reporting this some time before even Kiev sources. Which suggests to me that Russia is much more in control that it might seem.

  12. Anon[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @Greta Handel

    Sure, its fun to see obnoxiously and stupidly overconfident people be proven wrong. I see that you’ve made over 1290 comments on this website and even bothered to make a handle that you use on it, so I hope that you get at least a little bit of fun out of it every once in a blue moon. It’d be pretty sad to make that many comments, a rather huge amount from my point of view( I’ve only made maybe 15ish total ever), and not get any fun from it.

  13. @Peter Akuleyev

    Peter Akuleyev wrote to me:

    Yes, and in this case Russia is the invader and Ukraine is the country that has been trading territory in favor of attrition of the enemy. You are actually making the historical case why Russia won’t beat Ukraine. You do realize that, right?

    I did not suggest — and it would be profoundly idiotic to suggest — that the side who gives up territory generally ends up on top.

    What I did suggest is that gaining or losing territory does not, as such, determine who will win.

    Kiev is the invader in the Donbass — the Donbass refused to submit to the illegal puppet regime installed in Kiev in 2014 by the US, and that illegal puppet regime responded by invading the Donbass.

    The historical record on that is quite clear and no one seriously contests it: after all, the Donbass republics certainly did not invade Kiev!

    But that too does not determine who will win. Very, very often invaders win. Very, very often invaders lose.

    Peter asked me, “You are actually making the historical case why Russia won’t beat Ukraine. You do realize that, right?” No, you are a foolish young man, Peter.

    Wars are not won or lost by rhetoric “making the historical case.” I lived through a war, in its entirely, in which the decadent and corrupt American Ruling Class thought it could win through rhetoric and PR: the War in Vietnam.

    An awful lot of people died because of American corruptocrats who foolishly thought like you.

    Wars are won by causing the other side’s army to be unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    They may be unable to continue fighting because they are all dead, captured, or wounded, or because they are out of supplies, or because their command structure has collapsed. They may be unwilling to continue fighting because they see it as hopeless, or they just do not think it is worth the cost, or their efforts are no longer being supported by the civilian population or leadership.

    But taking (or giving up) territory as such does not win a war.

    Wars are won by forcing the other side’s army to stop fighting.

    Nothing else.

    This is not a high-school debate, Peter, and it will not be won by sophomoric debating tactics.

    This is the grown-up world, of which you are not a part.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @Thoughts
  14. Kupiansk … nah. Izyum, forget it.
    Running wild in the boonies, painting roadsigns yellow and blue and taking
    selfies is not quite the same as taking cities; this kind of TikTok war is repellent
    to a person of high moral refinement (g).
    Unless they invest considerably more than 9000 “units” (their term,
    I for one find it gauche) and one battaillon of refurbished Polish T-72
    this is just one more publicity stunt …
    it´s almost as if sending the 128th Mountain (Transcarpathian) brigade to
    die on the Steppe wasn´t enough (well, at least those pesky Hungarians shut up
    now – and the Balakliyans will shortly).

  15. @michael droy

    Ran out of time editing.
    My preferred source is the you tube channel: military summary channel
    which is very detailed and pro-Russian but internally consistent unlike the western media which shows 30 daily Ukrainian victories and monthly big defeats.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-battle-of-the-izium-bulge.html
    is one version of how large Russian reserves are arriving.
    It is quite likley that this could be the end for Ukraine forces.

    Also very worth noting is there are lots of (unconfirmable) reports that there is a big foreign speaking part (up to 20%) amongst the Ukrainian troops along with the very high proportion of foreign equipment that they are using. The implication being they are much more than just mercenaries.

    That could well be the reason why western reporting has been so limited and Kiev has directed Western reporters in Ukraine away from fighting areas.

    • Agree: Thirdtwin
    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  16. @Anon

    Anon[289] wrote to Greta Handel:

    Apparently you have a great love of Warball, given that you’ve made dozens of comments about the Russian-Ukraine War.

    Or perhaps Greta thinks it is a horrific tragedy that so many people are dying because the American Ruling Class has been so insistent on poking the Russian bear. Or maybe she thinks that the destruction of the European economy and the risk of nuclear war are matters that should concern responsible people.

    Just maybe. Ya think?

    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  17. @Anon

    Most people just think about it every once in a while when they see a bit about it on tee-vee.

    Yes, they think about it only Exceptionally.

  18. @Peter Akuleyev

    Poorly motivated conscripts from the DNR and LNR???

    Seriously – you mean having 8 years of Ukrainians shelling their relatives has demotivated them?
    At the local level this is pure civil war between East and West Ukraine.
    (At a higher level this is pure war by US on Russia – which is quite clear from reading the western news).

    btw this morning’s news is that the Russian cavalry is coming.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  19. Thoughts says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    1) Russians won’t go into the streets

    2) The A Team is training Chinese Soldiers…if that doesn’t put a chill up your spine nothing will

    3) As Steve pointed out….30 miles…Wow! Wow! …whatever…

    It’s the people that matter and eventually Ukrainians — aka the Klitschko Brothers—will realize that they were being paid by the wrong side

    I’m just waiting to see how long it takes before Vitali realizes that, like his brother mating with the blonde dwarf, nothing ends well when you get involved with Hollywood

    After this war, Ukraine will never look towards the U.S. for help again.

    And wasn’t that the goal all along?

  20. @PhysicistDave

    Dave,

    the illegal puppet regime installed in Kiev in 2014 – it is this misunderstanding of a basic truth – that the regime change was actually driven by genuine local anger against Yanukovich – that leads you to completely misunderstand what is happening in Ukraine right now. Obviously you have never actually been to Ukraine or talked to normal Ukrainians.

    I feel sorry for you. Clearly with age does not come wisdom. I have been to the Donbas, I speak Russian. I can say with complete confidence you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about, moreover events of the last 6 months have consistently shown you to be wrong, but you will not learn. There are now no young men left in Donbas and Lugansk thanks to Putin. They have been either thrown into the meat grinder or ran away to other countries years ago. There is no will to fight whatsoever on the Russian invader side. The hatred and fury the Ukrainians feel comes from a deep tribal place and Russia has no answer for that.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian, Pixo
    • Thanks: HA, Jack D
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Anne Lid
    , @Pixo
  21. Mike Tre says:

    “So we now know that the Ukrainians can go on the offensive. That’s an important development.”

    LOL yeah, they’ve received what, 100 billion dollars in cash and arms from the US?

    Funny how you’re so anti-war but not “anti-pissing US tax dollars away which is prolonging it.”

    And you still refuse to acknowledge the events that led to this silly war to begin with. You act as if Russia just woke up one day and said “You know, I think I’ll invade Ukraine today!”

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @216
    , @Anonymous
  22. George says:

    My understanding is that the Ukrainian military is 4x what the Russians have allotted to their socalled Special Operation. So it is possible the bulk of the Ukrainian military was just what was there normally. The Ukrainians did likely move special forces and wonder weapons, like Himars, to the area.

  23. Putin will be remembered, among other things, as the 2nd worst enemy of the white race (after Dolfie).

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Troll: PhysicistDave
  24. I’ve found that there are some pro-Ru sites with decent (i.e. they acknowledge both defeats and victories) coverage of what’s happening.

    https://t.me/s/intelslava

    Telegram sites are odd, it may ask you to download Telegram, look for the “view in context” option. The other thing is that posts are presented from the bottom up, unlike twitter, so you scroll up to see post history.

    “We are leaving most of the Kharkiv region. This is a military disaster. We are severely underpowered. The only thing that will improve the situation is the declaration of WAR to Ukraine, the introduction of martial law and mobilization. In the near future, and better – TOMORROW.

    Nothing else will help, it’s already obvious. I have no other words for you.”

    The encirclement of the Russian group in Izyum would be a disaster. The decision to withdraw from a military point of view is absolutely correct in the current shitty circumstances. Let me remind you that this is an episode, tragic and bitter, but an episode of global confrontation. So everyone needs to get together, and not just those who are now working in the NWO zone. Everyone has to do their own thing.

    A lot of pro-Russian twitter and Telegram have criticised the former Donbass commander Igor Strelkov as a persistently negative doomer. He has been critical of Russian policy, political AND military, in Ukraine since 2014, when he says the liberation of the Donbass would have been relatively simple. He’s also been pretty critical of recent Russian military strategy. Seems he may have been the prophet without honour in his own country.

    This seems to be a great victory for the US State Department, to follow up their great victory over German industrial might. Even if (as I believe) it makes no difference to the eventual outcome of the war the US wanted and worked for, it increases the deaths and bitterness on both sides.

  25. 216 says: • Website
    @michael droy

    The Russian military, upon which the whole illiberal cause depends, has shown massive incompetence. One does not go to war unless the vital nature of the state is at risk, one would imagine that this should mean that all of the reserves are called up. But as Rumsfeld failed in Iraq, so has Putin failed here.

    The defeat of the Russians assuredly means a Portugal 1975 style coup that puts a liberal regime in charge of the last remaining illiberal state in Europe. Not to mention that the Democrats will deny us self-determination in November ’22 and ’24, and pass their amnesty and a gun ban.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Colin Wright
  26. @Anon

    Will be fun to see how they cope about this on this post.

    They’ll stick to their illusions. Similar to blacks & various Trayvons…whatever.

    • Replies: @wj
  27. I do wonder if Russian intelligence, satellite and other, has been at fault here. Ukraine have the full spectrum of US/NATO capabilities at their service, which explains why Russian aircraft haven’t effective Iraq-style air dominance over the battlefield, but they should have detected the troop and weapons build up.

    Still, a lot of impressive militaries have tried to defeat Russia over the centuries. There’s always a first time, but the historical precedents aren’t too good.

  28. @michael droy

    At the local level this is pure civil war between East and West Ukraine.

    It really isn’t. This is a nice superficial explanation that seems to drive Russian policy, and is probably why Russian policy is so misguided. In reality West Ukraine is poor and has very little real influence over Ukrainian policy. The real split prior to 2014 was between the oligarchs who benefitted economically from increasing ties with the West – mostly people with investments in agriculture, energy and the rapidly growing IT support sector – and oligarchs who depended on ties with Russia – mostly defense industry, older manufacturing, coal mining, tourism. That split breaks geographically pretty much along the lines that Russia tried to occupy in 2014, if you notice. Yanukovich was thrown out because he was very much a creature of the pro-Russian oligarchs, an old line incredibly corrupt Brezhnev style bureacrat and he quickly alienated everyone in Kiev – from the oligarchs to your ordinary 30 year old trying to set up an IT service company. The grasping corruption got so bad even hairdressers and cafe owners were getting angry. When you lose the capital city of a centralized country like Ukraine, you lose the country, no matter what the national polls might say.

    By seizing Crimea and the Donbass, Putin pretty much deprived Ukraine of anyone of financial means who had a real vested interest in staying friendly to Russia, so it is not surprising the rest of the country has become increasingly anti-Russian during the intervening years. Add to that millions of Ukrainians who went to work in Poland over the last 8 years and have no intention of trading the freedom to move around the EU for the right to work on a construction site in Khabarovsk. It doesn’t help that the DNR and LNR have been economic disasters under Russian rule. No one wants to stay there – anyone with ambition left for Russia proper as soon as they could. They are hollow territories inhabited by the elderly, the desperately poor and a few careerist bureaucrats. It would probably be in Ukraine’s pragmatic interest to let Russia have those territories at this point, but Ukraine is also dominated by populists so a bright future for Donbass looks unlikely.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. 216 says: • Website
    @Mike Tre

    Trump didn’t invade Venezuela even though the US has casus belli to ensure the energy supply. He instead tried a coup d’etat which failed.

    W Bush invaded Iraq, and did not attempt a coup against the Saddam regime. A coup may have succeeded, we will never know. A coup would have certainly met more approval among other Arab Muslim countries.

    There was talk of Putin attempting a coup during the last winter, but it seems to have never gotten off the ground. A coup, or simply waiting for electoral subversion to get a more pliant government were options on the table.

    By placing Europe’s two most conservative countries into war, the folly of 1914 has been repeated, which will only convince people that liberalism is the answer.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Louis Renault
  30. Altai says:

    The Ukrainians hit at a point only manned by LPR fighters who aren’t really proper soldiers but ethnic militia. It’s estimated to have been an assault of 40k soldiers. Their aim appears to destroy or disrupt the supply lines between the North and South Russian fronts which is run mostly by rail.

    Given the rate at which the Ukrainians have lost tanks and the lack of any tanks left in the inventories of the former Soviet and Yugoslav states to give them, this will only be a serious setback for Russia, it does not change the direction of the conflict. Ultimately the Russians can’t and won’t want to take too much territory filled with ethnic Ukrainians so basically this is a war of attrition that the West wants but which Ukraine is stupid to comply with since a temporarily militarily depleted Russia is of no value to them but it comes at the cost of more territory and more men.

    The previous assaults towards the nuclear power plant cost enormous amounts of men and machinery that is not readily replaceable. The assaults were spectacular failures with the Russians letting the Ukrainians bust through and then envelope them and destroy their paths of retreat leading to total destruction of the forces. The same is being attempted this time by the Russians (The terrain hasn’t changed since WW2 so the tactics haven’t either) and they are trying to envelope the Ukrainians whilst keeping them from getting to the rail line) again.

    Better analysis is here.
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-battle-of-the-izium-bulge.html#more

    Meanwhile continuing this war of attrition is of no value to Europe or America (Though America is trying to make as much of it as it can at Europe’s expense) since it’s only purpose is to tie down Russian military in Ukraine and deplete it so an attempt at regime change and general destruction in Syria can be made.

    But in the process you’ve started a new cold war and the beginning of de-dollarization and have pushed Russia and China into a grand strategic alliance. This is the greatest strategic blunder of all time. And remember, it was all to facilitate another round of ‘invade the world, invite the world’ in Syria. That’s where ‘Russiagate’ came from, Trump being lukewarm on invading Syria and blaming the state department for ISIS. And now ‘Russiagate’ has borne it’s horrible fruit.

    The last Cold War turned into a defeat for the Soviets because ultimately they and their allies did not have enough of the world’s capital or resources in their system and the ‘global South’ didn’t really side with one or the other. That is simply not true today, Europe is going to go through a depression from this war and everyone outside the West is rooting for this to be the swan song of Pax-Americana. Nobody can believe that the US would choose to start a proxy war this dangerous, only people inculcated by ‘Russiagate’ propaganda see it otherwise. Alternatives to the whole Western system will be set up, Wallstreet saw what was happening as desperately tried to get them to not kick Russia out of SWIFT, the ultimate mode of control but too late, the dollar as reserve currency is on it’s way to death and the costs to the US economy and politics will be incredible.

    The Russians were preparing for this and this world, they kept trying to negotiate but the neocons in Washington taught them there was to be no negotiation. And they tried to negotiate because deep down they thought they needed the West, that they were failures, turns out it’s the other way around.

    Until the neocons are called out for what they are they’ll just keep getting away with this and have now pushed the world into a new cold war with the immediate casualties being Ukraine, the Russian military and all of Western Europe pushed into depression. And much later we’ll see this new seemingly powerful rhetoric about the evils of attacking other countries go out the window for Syria as it has already in the opening attacks on it. Talking about this war without talking about Syria is meaningless. It was the Russian intervention at Assad’s request to counter and contain Israeli/neocon death and destruction that prompted Russia to suddenly become the ‘big bad’.

    Steve has an innate dislike of the neo-reactionaries who take their support for Russia too far, he grew up during the period of American greatness and wants to think Russia is solely wrong for this but that simply isn’t reality. The only thing keeping this war going is the USA, the Ukrainians didn’t want this war, the Russians didn’t want it and Europe didn’t want it. Then who did? Who made the Russians an offer they couldn’t refuse? Name them.

  31. JR Ewing says:

    Europe’s economy is on the verge of collapse due to self-inflicted energy shortages and price spikes and it’s not even winter yet.

    The longer this drags on, the worse the reckoning is going to be for these silly unserious virtue-signaling governments who are leading their countries into ruin in order to virtue signal at mean ‘ole Putin.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave, J.Ross, MEH 0910
  32. 216 says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems.

    RF has not been willing to risk its Felons to shoot down the remaining Ukrainian fast air.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  33. Coemgen says:

    Sounds more like the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party is preparing us for another multibillion dollar handout to the Ukraine.

  34. @YetAnotherAnon

    Still, a lot of impressive militaries have tried to defeat Russia over the centuries. There’s always a first time, but the historical precedents aren’t too good.

    1905 – Japan. Very similar to the current Ukraine debacle, and almost resulted in the central government collapsing.
    1917 – Germany crushed Russia through superior leadership and a well trained army. Russia was only saved because the Germans eventually lost on the Western Front. Germany’s convincing victory over Russia, while having to fight a two-front war, is probably what made Hitler so confident he could destroy the Soviet Union.

    Russia is also far weaker demographically and organizationally today than it has ever been in its history. Xi has to have this at the back of his mind as he considers how to secure resources for China

    • Replies: @HA
  35. @Peter Akuleyev

    Peter Akuleyev wrote to me:

    [Dave] the illegal puppet regime installed in Kiev in 2014 – [Peter] it is this misunderstanding of a basic truth – that the regime change was actually driven by genuine local anger against Yanukovich – that leads you to completely misunderstand what is happening in Ukraine right now. Obviously you have never actually been to Ukraine or talked to normal Ukrainians.

    You can lie all you wish, Peter, but we have the recording of Victoria Nuland plotting the coup.

    And no doubt some people hated Yanukovych — the people who voted against him. The people who lost the election.

    Yanukovych was the legally elected President of Ukraine, Peter. But some of your pals did not like the result of that election.

    So, they participated in the illegal coup plotted by Victoria Nuland.

    We know the truth despite your lies, Peter.

    And, no, you are wrong about my supposed ignorance of Ukraine: I was friendly with a Ukrainian émigré a decade ago who explained in some detail to me the anti-Russian policies of the Kiev regime, even before the coup. Let me make clear: she was Ukrainian, not Russian, but she found the anti-Russian animus among the Kiev elite to be bizarre.

    Why don’t you tell us the full truth about yourself, Peter? Are you a Ukrainian? Are you a Russian who has some reason to hate his own country?

    You have been lying a great deal. Why are you doing this? What is your motive? What is your background?

    Again, it is no secret that US Assistant Secretary of State plotted the 2014 coup in detail: we have the recording of her going into great detail on her plans. It is no secret that when the Donbass refused to submit to the puppet regime, then the puppet regime invaded the Donbass. And it is no secret that the US and NATO have been supporting, training, supplying, and propping up the puppet regime for the last eight years.

    You can lie all you want, but the facts I just laid out in the last paragraph are a matter of public record that no one honestly disputes.

    Again, what do you gain by lying about all this, Peter? Why do you hate the people of the Donbass who simply do not wish to submit to the puppet regime in Kiev?

    Let them be free, Peter. Let them be free. Why are you afraid to let them be free?

  36. @Altai

    I like your take here. Thanks for reminding me about Syria. Is the desire to take over Syria about oil and gas pipelines? How are Iran and Saudi Arabia involved?

  37. SFG says:
    @Greta Handel

    I’d say football and the rest of them are substitutes for war, the idea being that men love to talk strategy and test their strength but aren’t always eager to get killed.

    I’m not a sports fan, but it seems a sensible outlet.

    • Replies: @wj
    , @Paleo Liberal
  38. Anne Lid says:
    @Anon

    Russia could squash them like bugs. But Russia is not the US. Hence P.C. Roberts’ frustration.
    Roberts knows what the evil ones are capable of and do not give up unless decisively dealt with, which means that a lot of noncombatants would have to die, too. Putin balks from that.
    The NATO won’t.

  39. 216 says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    Again, what do you gain by lying about all this, Peter? Why do you hate the people of the Donbass who simply do not wish to submit to the puppet regime in Kiev?

    My understanding is that most of these people fled to Russia.

    The Western rules for subverting a territory are to use mass immigration, military conquest is taboo.

    RF committed an own goal by having its people leave, the same mistake made by the Arabs in the 1948 war that formed Israel.

  40. SFG says:
    @Altai

    I don’t think the neocons are doing this for Syria-Israel’s been very slow to take the Ukrainian side, and their house organs really haven’t mentioned Syria much at all. I think a lot of them 1. want another ideological battle like the Cold War, and we even have the same countries on each side (though the political valences are reversed, which I find funny) 2. think they can push their current LGBT preoccupations on Ukraine 3. actually believe their own BS and want to fight for democracy and the rest.

    I think Steve is old school enough to believe in abstract principles like national self-determination, whereas the new right is so into the Schmitt friend-enemy distinction they think if the NYT hates you you must be the good guy. I’m with Steve on this one.

  41. @PhysicistDave

    One of the most remarkably overlooked aspects of the Cookie Monster’s intercepted telephone call is the identity of the person on the other end. You can find pictures of him standing next to her over there in Maidan, wearing GQ eyeglasses, necktie, and overcoat in a photo that has appeared widely, including in one of Dr. Giraldi’s previous articles (where he was misidentified as Senator John McCain). His name is Geoffrey R. Pyatt.

    So who’s Geoffrey? It says much about Washington’s arrogance and the Red+Blue puppet show

    – that Mr. Pyatt was in 2014 serving as U. S. Ambassador to the Ukrainian government he was helping to overthrow

    – that after a recording of the telephone conversation came to light, he not only kept his ambassadorship, but a couple years later was named by President Obama as Ambassador to (and accepted by) the government of Greece

    – that President Trump for four years left Mr. Pyatt, and pretty much every other Exceptional! person and practice, firmly in place*

    Many authors and commenters at this website draw distinctions between Washington politicians, but what really matters to the Establishment will never change via Democratic v Republican intramural elections. Why was American “foreign policy” explicitly left out of the 2020 presidential “debates”? So people will keep squabbling over transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms, and then meaninglessly voting for their color of the same thing.

    Aided and abetted — willfully or not — by those Americans who think patriotism is unconditionally rooting for and whitewashing Uncle Sam, as though they’re at their alma mater’s football game.

    ———

    * Even feigning otherwise during the July 2018 summit with Mr. Putin in Helsinki was intolerable. Mr. Trump was flown home, taken to the woodshed, and then paraded out to a presser where he seemed sincerely shook (and the lights literally went out) to recant, John Bolton looking over his shoulder. Another remarkably overlooked event.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  42. SFG says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    A lot of impressive militaries have tried to invade Russia and failed.

    Outside their borders, their ratio’s not so good.

    I do think they are going to win as Ukraine will eventually run out of men. (If they try to draft women they will annoy the USA, as both Christian conservatives who believe in chivalry and feminists who think nothing bad should ever happen to women will get angry. It’s kind of a last ditch ploy anyway.)

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @prosa123
  43. This war is also existential for Steve and for us, even if we don’t see it yet. Just as the fall of Communism, with all its evils, crushed the theoretical “alternative model” for society and signalled the total economic triumph of capital over workers, a triumph celebrated in the West by moving manufacturing to cheap-labour China and inflating land and property prices, the defeat of Russia will mean a defeat for our values.

    That’s the triumph of the economic model, a US victory here will be the triumph of the US cultural model, aka Globohomo.

    Well may Putin say:

    Upon the battles in Ukraine depend the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own Russian life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our homeland. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. The State Department knows that they will have to break Russia or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of – literally – perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if Holy Russia and its people last for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Francis Miville
  44. anon[403] • Disclaimer says:

    The big picture ,,, from my perspective, is that Russia had taken about as much territory as it could take and hold with 100 BTGs. But Ukraine is huge. And Russia seemed to increase its appetite for more. From the start, it was obvious that if Russia tried to take and keep too much, they would get bogged down.
    Ukraine was fighting from well dug in positions and had developed defense “in depth”. I think Russia was reasonably well prepared in the South, around Kherson. But Ukraine’s plan in the North was good. But risky. Once they made it well past Russian lines, they kept moving. At the moment, they have Russia befuddled.
    Right now, its Ukraine’s advantage. I didn’t think it was possible. But now, if they can consolidate their gains, they have proven themselves. Ukraine hasn’t done a lot of fighting from outside of their previous defense in depth. But they are doing it now.
    At the moment, Ukraine’s offensive is working.
    Since the US Civil War, it is axiomatic that I is extremely difficult to take heavily defended positions. But that phase of this war seems mostly over. Russia hasn’t done much outside the trenches either. So it is on, advantage Ukraine.
    I’m surprised, but it is what it is. But the space being fought over is huge for the size of the forces.

    Things always look obvious in hindsight. But war is unpredictable.

    Let me add that I favor what I consider US interests. Which are to end this on plausible terms ASAP. Total victory can turn this into total war. Russia has the ability to destroy the US. Just saying. Not a high probability but infinite severity as far as I’m concerned.

    Another reason why this is a bad idea for the US. Our neocons want a neatly delineated proxy way. That they fight against Russia with Ukrainian ground troops. If it were only guaranteed. I really don’t want to think of the ways this can get worse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Anne Lid says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There are a lot of Ukrainians who are not too bright and fell victim to the insidious anti Russain brain washing. However corrupt and inept Yanukovich was, there was a proper way to get rid of him come election time. There was immense American money spent to enlarge, ride and direct the sentiment and instead of the proper, peaceful way they got a putsch and people in power who don’t care a jot about the life of the average ukie.
    In other words, yes, you can find lots of ukies with the mindset you mentioned. Because they are spiritually blind and believe lies.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @AP
  46. @Greta Handel

    Cheering for the Zelensky army is not dissimilar from cheering for the Fauci Gates vaccinations.

    Stupid X Evil

  47. MLK says:
    @Anon

    Nonsense. Any fair-minded assessment would locate the happy horse sh*t thinking on the US/NATO/Ukraine side.

    The devil isn’t in the details, especially if you’re not a subject matter expert who is following events closely.

    Sometimes timing is everything. That is exactly the case here as the illegitimate Biden regime is wholly focused on the US midterms. Literally nothing else matters besides it having to admit before the election that the US has suffered the greatest blow to its power and prestige since Vietnam, if not ever.

    I long ago figured out that many, like yourself, engage in self-memory holing. The increasingly risible propaganda in the West — “Everyone agrees, glorious victory will be ours!” — is designed to tamp down your cognitive dissonance or continuing not to believe your lying eyes.

    “American is back under Biden!” . . . “The Ruble will be turned to rubble!” . . . “Russia is isolated as the US rallies the world!” . . . “Putin is a pariah and will soon be removed if not assassinated by Kremlin and military insiders!”

    I could go on (and on). It all amounts to projection.

    With Europe in crises (yes, plural), and the Biden regime telling them they will have to suck it up until after November 8, Russia is assessing the value of giving the USG what it desperately wants, waiting until the G20 Summit in Bali, ten days or so after the midterms, to have its achieving its SMO objectives acknowledged and the world-historical sanctions debacle put into reverse gear before Europe is driven back to the 11th C.

    Understand what Russia has accomplished. Not only will the remaining, landlocked rump Ukraine be demilitarized but the US/NATO have tossed in for good measure demilitarizing NATO itself by depleting its weapons stocks, sending them to Ukraine to be obliterated by Russia attillery.

    The good news, such as it is, is that at least in the US the propaganda machine is working like a charm when it comes to Democrats and their controlled-opposition RINOs. They will believe literally anything they are fed at this point, even if the Orwellian opposite of what they were led to believe the day before.

    That actually makes me optimistic in these exceedingly dangerous times. No longer can Obama/Biden be stopped from delivering their overriding objective, their greatest ever national humiliation to the American nation. The best that can be hoped for at this point is truly kicking off WWIII in an irreversible fashion or something they will use to have #pedohitler declare a national emergency and cancel the elections.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
  48. @SFG

    “Steve is old school enough to believe in abstract principles like national self-determination”

    How does national self determination fit with the Monroe Doctrine? Or with Syria/Iraq/Libya/Serbia/Afghanistan? How would the US react to Chinese missiles in Ontario or Ciudad Juárez?

  49. Why are we discussing this? The Establishment doesn’t care what we think.

    Please, don’t act like our opinions, as American citizens, have any weight.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  50. jb says:

    An remarkable number of commenters in the WN-sphere — e.g., Z-man’s blog, plus I’ve seen it on Unz as well (additional reasons why Steve should leave) — have convinced themselves that the failed Russian attack on Kiev was a highly successful feint. So yeah, feints are still feasible in your head. 🙂

  51. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Discussing the intracacies of two redneck Slavic groups fighting for almost no logical reason is not worth my time or energy. The continued suicide of these peoples after what we witnessed in the 20th Century is about the dumbest thing imaginable. And the continuance of it is encouraged by all Western Leaders. Sick.

    • Replies: @SFG
  52. @216

    Trump didn’t invade Venezuela even though the US has casus belli

    The San Carlos guy has a Venezuelan name. Beauty is in the eye of the beheader.

  53. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    War is about defeating the other side’s army. Nothing else really matters.

    WW I showed that preserving your own army is important too. If your side gets too many casualties, the population won’t sign up for the next war. UK and France in WW II are champion examples of that.

  54. You can’t have a false flag use of a nuclear weapon in Ukraine unless Russia seems to have a reason to use one.

    A successful Ukrainian operation would be one reason.

    • Agree: fish
  55. J.Ross says:

    Steve, after that covid thing, don’t you want to understand a topic before giving an expendable sliver of what establishment experts say? Don’t you ever get angry when people lie to you?

    Good thing Biden stole that election and the media and courts censored Hunter’s laptop, amiright Steverino? To which superhero should the Zoomstar be compared? Cubicle #37464175 says Coke Man but Cubicle #8267437 is holding out for Pepsi Man. Gosh, thank god so many people are dying: if it wasn’t for this, we’d have to talk about how our country doesn’t work any more.

    >surely this bold move, which went comically faster than expected at first, proves that Russia cannot fight. Gosh, this was so easy, why hadn’t any European just conquered Russia before me?

    Is there a more historically ignorant thing to say?
    It’s war. It’s over when it’s over, not when the Nazis launch the Battle of the Bulge. Ukraine borders Russia. For its sponsors, on which it depends like a fetus, it is an afterthought. For Russia it is worth a long war. The people propping up the dollar-devouring non-Ukrainian crook in Kiev are the same people who were winning in Afghanistan every day until they weren’t.

  56. @michael droy

    MoA is an interesting site but infested by trolls, and as you can’t see comment history easily, they clog up the info stream. One interesting comment on the info war:

    The University of Adelaide has published a paper exposing a huge, co-ordinated, pro-Ukrainian bot army of fake twitter accounts.

    Of 5.2 million tweets from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were from by fake accounts, 90% of which were pro-Ukraine.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.07038.pdf

    The moral may be to the material as three to one, but all the tweets in the world can’t stop a missile or cannon shell.

  57. mc23 says:

    I wondered recently if Kherson was a feint. This new offense by Ukraine must have been planned and prepared for. The inability of Russian intelligence to anticipate this is on a par with the design of their tanks which seem to have been built with a coin operated destruct mechanism.

    The twitter post below suggests a reason for what’s happening and it comes down to Russia having very few boots on the ground. The reason for this would be that the higher casualty estimates , up to half the Russian force, are correct. Seemed unbelieveable but?

    The reluctance of Putin to mobilize Russia’s manpower indicates the fragility and weakness of his regime. Compare that to the moral of the Ukrainians. Sure a third of Ukraine are Russian sympathizers but a third of the population were Tories during the American Revolution.

    • Replies: @BB753
  58. J.Ross says:

    Did your neocon nevertrumper invade-the-world, invite-the-world friends tell you what this is? This is why this is happening now.

  59. It turns out that Ukraine has been very conservative in its defence in this war. Slowly attritting Russian forces while preserving their own.

    Meanwhile, they have been creating 6 new divisions’ worth of motorised Battlegroups. 3 of which have routed the Russians in Kharkhiv and, as of today, Northern Donbas. The other 3 are in an unknown location. Melitopol is my favourite next target. Ukrainians are still methodically advancing in Kherson. But sweeping up the Donbas, Belarus or even Belgorod are all possibilities. I wouldn’t reccomend the last.

    Ground taken by Ukraine will be held by their reserves on foot, with a full air defence umbrella that Russia has been unable to defeat, and Javelin so that they are as hard to dislodge as those in Bakhmut have proven.

    Russia does not appear to have any reserves! The video of the same Company’s worth of trucks, filmed from five different locations, does not inspire confidence.

    This is how I described the war back in May, and how it would unfold, though I didn’t realise that Ukraine would be so controlled and with such good Opsec that they could hold off on attacking until now. I would have thought they’d use each Division as soon as it came online, to much less spectacular effect. I guess this is why I am not a General.

    What can Russia do? Mobilisation will break their country and won’t have any military effect for months, by which time they’re done. I’d say they should immediately withdraw to pre-war lines, sue for peace and hope to hold onto Crimea. Ukraine is going to join NATO and the EU. Not that this causes any actual threat to Russia.

    As for those idiots here who still haven’t realised that they’ve been sold a lie by Putin, you remind me why I don’t work with the completely broken and those who have gone full retard in real life. It is ok to be wrong. It is not ok to be unable to learn and grow. That’s too depressing.

    But to address a few of your points:

    1. Half of Ukraine was never on Russia’s side. Otherwise that would mean Russia is losing to half of Ukraine even with half of Ukraine helping them.

    2. Russia has not held back its “A Team.” Yes, it has not deployed literally every single soldier to Ukraine, but it has to defend its own borders and quell internal dissent. The definitely less than 50,000 show troops exercising in the Far East are more about showing the only truly expansionist power on Russia’s borders (China) that Russia still can do basic defence.

    3. Putin did not have to invade Ukraine. Russia would have remained entirely unthreatened by NATO. Had NATO wanted to destroy Russia’s military, it could have bombed them to pieces on day 7 of this war.

    4. While American imperialists might feel emboldened by this war, the obvious lesson, that anyone can see, is that you should not invade sovereign nation states, especially democratic, white European nations states. You will lose before getting to the insurgency phase. This is a lesson that everyone here should welcome.

    5. Europe’s economy is not going to “collapse.” It will be a hard winter if things continue, but nothing compared to COVID.

    6. Poland has gone from a fraction of Russia’s GDP per capita, to much more. Meanwhile it has remained Polish, conservative and traditional. Certainly more so than Russia. The US will lecture and scold a country for not being Woke, but that’s about it. That is not imperialism. It is nagging. Confusing the two is hysterical.

    7. The Russians did not try to avoid this war. They invaded in 2014 and they invaded again this year. 2021 had been remarkable for the low level civil conflict in the Donbas, in that there were basically no civillian deaths. It had fizzled out and Ukraine was de facto accepting the status quo. So Putin decided to invade because obviously he did not want that acceptance. He wanted Ukraine as Belarus.

    8. War is not about “defeating the enemy army.” It is about achieving political goals. Anyone who lectures you otherwise is a moron. Like totally abjectly ignorant.

    9. I know this will all fall on deaf ears, but upport for Russia in the West consists of people with ASPD, who are always against the current thing, and therefore thoughtless, as well as doormat and pathetic types who outsource their assertive sense of masculinity to Putin, and finally those lost deep in bitterness, resentment and general maladaptive narcissism. This is why they can never reflect and learn and grow. They are too scared of what they will see.

    As I said earlier, it is ok to be wrong. In fact, it is usually inevitable. The world is far more complicated than the human mind can conceive. But the difference between the idiot and the wise man is not who is right and who is wrong, but who can change their mind, learn and grow. 20% of Putin’s cheerleaders have been able to do that. 80% are instead quite deranged.

    Or maybe I am wrong and you just need to “trust the plan harder and longer, no matter how long and hard it seems reality is giving it you” and then everyone will recognise how clever you are, how much more they should appreciate you and defer to you? And everyone you hate will be miserable and you’ll celebrate? Any day now!

    Better Russia give up yesterday than today and today than tomorrow, as I said every day since this war began.

    • Thanks: Ian Smith
    • LOL: Anne Lid
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon, BB753
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @HA
    , @Farenheit
  60. @PhysicistDave

    I think about it quite a lot…for I have a family member who is frontline US Army on the Polish-Ukraine border….Lots of sleepless nights thinking about it….

    The NFL and SEC Football Stadiums are packed with young men who are able to avoid the Military…..

    If there was a draft of all able-body young men and women…..the military occupation of the Planet by the US would come to an end…..

    For America….WAR IS A FUCKING RACKET…..

  61. Anonymous[615] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia has nothing to fear from a war of attrition with Ukraine. So long as the Russians kill 1 Ukrainian for every 2 or 3 Russians they’re assured of victory. Putin would have preferred a quick decapitation-strike victory, but slowly bleeding Ukraine to death also works.

  62. With nary a bit of military knowledge, could the Ukrainian forces have accidentally set up a near future Russian trap for themselves? Also let’s say the Ukrainians do retake all of their real estate and defeat the Russians. Isn’t that going to encourage our neocons and neolibs to do an all out war on Russia? Just asking as someone not keen on being nuked in the future.

  63. kihowi says:

    Well, it is if you own the western world’s media. But not really. Steve as many other people, are still under the impression that this is a war where two more or less equally powerful sides are fighting each other and anything could happen.

    It’s not. Russia has won, and the only variable at this point is whether Russia wants to occupy the whole Ukraine or just the Donbas, and how carefully and slowly they want to go about it. “The war” the Ukraine is fighting is a fundraising effort aimed at the west. Donors want to believe that their money has an effect, so you have to provide them with success stories. “We’re inevitably toast in the long run” doesn’t work as well.

    Of course Ukraine is winning somewhere. Any losing side is always winning somewhere. In 1944 the German press still had enough victories to fill their papers with. As long as you present them in isolation, using zoomed in maps and carefully forgetting to put them in a broader context, like mentioning what the enemy is doing meanwhile, it looks impressive. Then shortly after when you have to give up that territory again, you just don’t report it. But understanding that would require NoTicINg how how propaganda works and that’s not what Steve does anymore.

    • Replies: @middle-aged vet
  64. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    Snarkie Stevie channels Blowhard Cochran again.

    Also, we now know the Russian invaders don’t seem to have much of a do-or-die spirit when stressed.

    This front the Ukes have opened up is just beyond the Donbass where, as Dave points out, they are the invaders. So technically, there is a small grain of truth to this problem of relative will-to-fight of the Russian alliance: it varies outside the Donbass compared to inside. And the Uke alliance (Ukes plus Nato advisors plus mercs) has, I admit, done well to temporarily capitalize on it, by making both offensives outside Donbass.

    But this war will be won in Donbass itself. Where there is ample spirit on the Russian side.

    Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.

    That is only relevant to history as measured in months and centuries, not years or decades. Ukraine is like every other country between France and Russia: the borders have shifted frequently over the years, often immensely; countries like Poland have even come, go and come again (and of course, even France and Russia get occasional ‘adjustments’).

    If Russia reduces Ukraine to a fractious but powerless rump, that situation could easily maintain a lifetime or more. Ukraine would still be a real country, but it probably wouldn’t matter for a long time. Even if Russia annexes the whole thing, it would still be a real nation, though not a country. And that too wouldn’t matter for a long time.

  65. SIMP simp says:
    @PhysicistDave

    You can’t defeat the enemy army if they don’t want to fight you, so you have to attack some important territory and force the enemy to defend it.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  66. @PhysicistDave

    I was friendly with a Ukrainian émigré a decade ago

    Oh, Ok then. Impressive. Who can argue with that?

    Why are you afraid to let them be free?

    I’m not. At this point I think the smart, but cynical, move would be for Ukraine to let those economic disaster areas join Russia. The problem for the poor people of Donbas is that Russia seems to have no use for them. Putin wants to control Kiev, Kharkiv, Mariupol and Odessa, not an aging depopulated rust belt that needs economic subsidies.

    The cynical way Putin’s army has thrown poorly trained, under equipped ethnic Russians from LNR and DNR into the meat grinder over the past 6 months should horrify you if you actually care about Russians, or if you just a normal human being with any empathy. No one has done more damage to Donbas than Putin.

    • Agree: AP
  67. wj says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You and your type will still be saying that Ukraine is about to win it all even as Zelensky is hanging by his balls in Keeeev, or in one of his plush mansions somewhere else in the world.

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. Yngvar says:

    It’s all very hush-hush and top secret, but a bloke down at the pub told me that Ukrainian recruits are being trained all over Europe.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  69. @Triteleia Laxa

    Poland has gone from a fraction of Russia’s GDP per capita, to much more. Meanwhile it has remained Polish, conservative and traditional.

    Yes, and any European white Christian conservative is insane to take Russia’s side against Poland. It is a complete betrayal of our European ancestors to side with the Asiatics in this war.

  70. wj says:
    @SFG

    Supporting Ukraine with billions of my tax dollars, is partially related to Syria. The neoclowns have not forgiven Russia for saving Syria from the jihadists. Our greatest ally wanted a failed state to their north to prevent any further offensive actions from Syria. Despite the fact that Assad’s father sent troops to fight with the US in Gulf War 1.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. kihowi says:
    @Altai

    Steve has an innate dislike of the neo-reactionaries who take their support for Russia too far, he grew up during the period of American greatness and wants to think Russia is solely wrong for this

    You’re being very generous. In reality, it’s not a cold holdover that makes Steve cheerlead the dominant narrative. It’s because it’s on tv. No more, no less.

  72. @Anon

    I’ll say that I’ve been surprised by the success of the Ukrainian offensive, but even more surprised by the Russians’ inability to use the air superiority and artillery to take out troops in the open.

    However, I see no need to admit to being wrong before. Up until a month or so ago the facts on the ground said that the Russians were slowly and methodically grinding the Ukrainian army into dust. There was no sign of any grand Ukrainian plan or ability to stop that.

    Now, the facts on the ground have changed, and thus my opinion has changed.

    However, I will continue to root for the Russians, not because I have anything against the Ukrainians, but because the Ukrainians are supported by my enemy, the neocons, who, of course, couldn’t care less about the Ukrainians.

    I also continue to find it puzzling that Steve has such feelings toward the Ukrainian people fighting oppression, while finding white identity politics – the only thing that will prevent American whites from being oppressed – the worst thing ever.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    , @meh
  73. SFG says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Seems to me they could let Russia have the Donbas if it ends the war. I’ve seen rumors the US shut down peace talks to that effect, which would make sense geopolitically. Lot of dead Ukrainians though.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  74. Sean says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The British took the colonists’ capital, Philadelphia. They did not eliminate the Continental Army. They did not win

    The British took Quebec, whereupon the Colonists did not need the protection of the British army from the French, decided they wanted to be independent, and Britain was quickly in a war with France (and other countries) as well as fighting the Colonists. When it tried the same trick while Britain was busy with Napoleon in 1812, America got trounced. Britain even won at Waterloo even though most of the elite units of the British army were in still in Canada.

    It took Russia four years with the US and Britain helping a lot for Russia to win back what Hitler took in as many months ( Crimea and Mariupol were taken in the first few months of the war. Unlike Putin, Hitler’s country could lose. in the sense of being invaded; the furthest extent of the 30 mile deep advance is Kupiansk, which is relatively speaking close to the Russian border, where Russia has abundant advantages.

    Napoleon took lots of Russian territory. So did Hitler. They did not win.

    Napoleon lost most of his army to typhus before a shot was fired, and like Hitler he made a basic error in not driving forward ASAP at the critical point. As Von Bock complained about in his diary “I do not want to ‘capture Moscow’ I want to destroy the enemy’s army and the bulk of that army is right in front of me”. In 2022 war is slow and offensives are costly.

    Yes, and in this case Russia is the invader and Ukraine is the country that has been trading territory in favor of attrition of the enemy.

    Whether it was intended to or not the Russian drive on Kiev functioned as a feint and aided the Russian effort in the south, which is the only place Russia made substantial gains at little cost and even got across the Dnipro river. Russia still has that bridgehead. The Ukrainians have the benefit of US surveillance-intel and are even picking off Russian generals that the US picks. In addition they have supply of superior weapons’ including pinpoint tube artillery ammunition (Excalibur) and longer range rocket with similar precision (HIMARS). Also lots of money. One thing that ‘the West’ (actually the US of A) cannot supply Ukraine with is troops. Are the Russians losing in the ratio of attrition, quite possibly even in the current Ukrainian offensive Russia is losing; whether they are and see it that way is dubious because they had incredible numbers killed in WW2 and kept going. These people are fatalistic and plodding but their mindset and political system is not one that is conducive to giving up before they are brought to their knees (even then they’d have battlefield options and the threat of use would be enough).

    Only if they give up has Ukraine won, and if Russia cannot defeat a medium sized country on its borders in a conventional war, or dare credible threaten (or use) a few of its oversized stock of tactical thermonuclear weapons then it might as well disarm because no one will ever take them seriously again. They aren’t going to quit. So Ukraine is going to have to keep going. The end result will be Ukraine is going to get wrecked and become a Prussia surviving on external subsidy with weakening civic institutions, exorbitant taxes, endless conscription and mass emigration from what was already demographically basket case, made low cost by the diaspora of refugees in the wealthy West. They are going to have to import Turks to do the agricultural work. A loss for Russia this is relative to their seeming objectives at the beginning, but that does not mean Ukraine gets a win, especially as what was offered to them in 2019 is to put it mildly better than anything they will get now.

    • Agree: Sam Malone
  75. Pixo says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    PhysicsDave understands the situation as an elderly self-hating American dreaming of emigrating to China, and who listens to Scott Ritter’s Pedocast, much better than the actual Ukrainians. He also knows the Russians much better than Poles, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians.

    Let’s never forget Davey’s pervie fantasies he posted here about Zelensky being captured and begging Putin to spare his life.

    There’s also Dave’s hilariously retarded February 2022 predictions of Glorious Russian Bear’s Victory Over NeoCon UkeNazi:

    “The Russians are in the process of taking Kharkov.”

    “Russian marines have now landed in Odessa.”

    “Russia seems to have stopped the bombardment around Kiev, now that they have taken out local military assets and command and control capabilities, and are saying that they have no desire to attack civilian populations.
    I assume they will soon be seizing radio and television broadcast facilities.

    Now, anyone want to bet on how soon Zelensky — the Stephen Colbert of the Ukraine — flees the country?”

    “That alone makes the Kiev regime war criminals who can justly be put to death.”

    “In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  76. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale

    When I heard that actual hotbed of Russophilia, Alexander Mercouris/Duran, quote this article yesterday, my immediate thought was that it was part of the feint. Why wouldn’t the WP play it’s part in shifting attention south?

  77. Ken52 says:

    Vanessa Beeley

    If you’re advancing like a hot knife through butter surprisingly meeting minimal resistance from an adversary that has historically been attritionally crushing you through overwhelming ordnance..

    I would be a little nervous.

    • Agree: Anne Lid, JimB
    • Replies: @JimB
  78. @PhysicistDave

    lol. Shut up, gammatard. You couldn’t even figure out how Caesar paid his army, don’t try to lecture people on your military theories, since they flow from your ignorant, bigoted mouth and empty head.

  79. BB753 says:
    @Altai

    “all of Western Europe pushed into depression”.

    I fear the US will fare much worse than anybody else after the current, even partial de-dollarization. Although I realize the banking elite, the Davos crowd and globalists everywhere ( including American elites) believe the downfall of the US economy and policy will bring about their precious great reset and that it is an end “devoutly to be wish’d”.

  80. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre

    Funny how you’re so anti-war but not “anti-pissing US tax dollars away which is prolonging it.”

    Steve is committing another own goal here, as he cheers on the forces of globalism and the destruction of one of the world’s last remaining independent nation-states.

  81. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You have a slavic name. What is your ancestry?

  82. Anne Lid says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    How about following the best Europian traditions and support the party that has a more justifiable cause?
    The Asiatics slur makes me laugh. No shit, half the country is in Asia. It’s a multinational, multicultural country.

    Triteleia has imbibed her own drug. Another highly intelligent, spiritually blinded soul. Ukraine was not “sovereign”, not since 2014.
    “Russia would have remained entirely unthreatened by NATO. Had NATO wanted to destroy Russia’s military, it could have bombed them to pieces on day 7 of this war.” And thus would have WWIII commenced. Don’t worry, it will come, after another Ferdinand or another Lusitania.

  83. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The Department of Justice is serving warrants to everyone around Trump. The goal is to try to prevent Trump from getting a campaign team together for 2024. They’re trying to arrest or intimidate anyone who’s going to work for Trump’s campaign in 2024.

    It’s time to start mobbing Merrick Garland’s house and the houses of other DOJ officials.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/35-trump-allies-served-warrants-subpoenas-according-steve-bannon

    • Agree: fish
  84. @YetAnotherAnon

    I do wonder if Russian intelligence, satellite and other, has been at fault here.

    Yeah, to repeat Steve’s title question,

    Are Feints Still Feasible?

    I would have thought the answer is “no”, given that NATO is supposed to have hourly satellite surveillance of any part of the Earth at sub-1m resolution, and Russia has slightly lower quality satellite surveillance covering at least the Ukraine.

    Yet, here we are.

    Indeed, the larger Russian attack in February was a surprise to almost everyone, so who knows? ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

    Maybe “yes” if the opponent is sufficiently distracted. But their distraction is not necessarily something you can control. You have to get lucky: Russia did in February; Ukraine did in September.

  85. Sean says:

    Or it could be that the far from secret Kherson offensive is intended as a distraction for something else the Ukrainians have up their sleeve.

    Kherson is a prized possible bridgehead to Odessa, and the Russian army there are young professional regulars.

    The furthest extent of the norther advance is 300 miles (Balakliia in Kharkiv). This had been surrendered without a fight six months ago on the orders of the mayor who wanted to save it and has bee imprisone by the Ukrainian government. The front in the area was defended by militia from the Donetsk Republic. So the real country of Ukraine is fighting its own people, as it has been for the last eight years. The Donetsk Republic is not real?

    Donbas youth exploited by Russia in war against Ukrainehttps://genevasolutions.news › ukraine-stories › donbas-…
    18 May 2022 — Nine students from Donetsk explained that they were sent to the village of Vesele, near Kharkiv, where they were told to dig trenches, […] “We were mobilised through force, blackmailed, and told that we’d go to prison if we refused,” the Donetsk students at the press conference.

    “Rumour had it that the sentence was seven years, with an additional two years if parents hid their children. We were given belts with Soviet symbols and helmets from the Second World War era. When we were boarding the train, one of us dropped our helmet because it didn’t sit very well. It fell from a one-metre distance and smashed into two parts. So, we were given very old and worn out uniforms,” they explained.

    The elite units of the Ukrainian army (Sparta and Somali) are spearheading the Ukrainian advance. So motivated troops against lowest quality ones is why this succeeded. The heavy artillery will now be turned on the recaptured area and the Ukrainian nationalist battalions will be replaced to not expose them to the bombardments that are coming and will wreck Balakliia, which will be recaptured. Nicely done by Ukraine with US help , but Ukrainians ought to bear in mind what America’s objective is.

    lloyd Austen said he wanted to help Ukraine retain its sovereignty and defend its territory, and the US wanted Russia to be weakened by losses in men and equipment it could not replace. That would require a very long and bloody war fought inside Ukraine. One in which if Russia lost Ukraine would be decimated. A long slow Pyrrhic war against Ukraine would achieve Austens’ stated aims for America better. If the US wanted to drive the Russian army out why was Ukraine not given a hundred HIMARS months ago? It seems to me a reasonable explanation for the US not supplying what might have made the Russian army hastily retreat is American strategists do not want Russia quickly defeated, but rather drained and subject to a years of attrition. If Ukraine is winning because none of the Russian objectives including showing ukraine is not a real country have been accomplished then continuing with this frustration of Russian objectives sounds like a recipe for a stalemate deleterious to both Ukraine and Russia.

    If Ukraine is a real country it always was, being in the Soviet Union didn’t change that and being in the Western sphere of influence won’t either. What a pity Ukraine was not ‘real’ enough to stand alone with an independent nuclear deterrent, but it preferred to take the money. How is that working out for them?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jack D
  86. Ray P says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They haven’t cast a Corsican as the Emperor? Will boycott. (Or has Phoenix revealed hitherto unsuspected Corsican or at least French ancestry?) I guess Puerto Rico is an island so that’s close enough.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  87. In the fog of war and war propaganda, there is no way to tell what is happening in Ukraine.

    Washington is winning!
    No, Cornwallis is winning!
    I tell you, Washington is winning now!
    Fool, Cornwallis is pretending to lose so he can win!
    Washington fled, but has superior forces!
    etc.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  88. @Peter Akuleyev

    Was the Russo-Japanese War between Europeans and Asiatics, or between Asiatics and Asiatics?

    The Japanese have sore memories about 1904-05, they only won a pyrrhic victory. And their government nearly also collapsed and made an alliance with Russia during WWI to keep peace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Popular_Violence

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan–Russia_Secret_Agreement

    Qing China was nominally neutral but secretly supported Japan during the Russo-Japanese War. Then both ROC and PRC reneged, sided with Soviets, and characterized it as act of Japanese imperialism.

    Anyways its ratcheting up again.

    Japan protests to Russia over military exercises with China

    Xi has to have this at the back of his mind as he considers how to secure resources for China

    This would mean opening up a second front while PRC nationalists are rabidly looking to settle scores with Japan.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
  89. @SFG

    Sports has been a substitute, and training grounds, for war for countless tens of thousands of years.

    Playing fields of Eton and all that.

    Two villages would compete in some sort of ball play. This would not only be a relatively bloodless was to establish dominance but also teach teamwork under pressure.

    There was a pre-WW I Army football team which had, IIRC, 11 future generals, including Eisenhower and Bradley. West Point almost won the national championship, but dropped their last game to the Carlyle Indian School. The Indians’ coach, Pop Warner, developed the brand new Single Wing offense to exploit the talents of his almost super human halfback, Jim Thorpe. Also, Pop Warner encouraged the Indians to treat the game as war, to take revenge on the Army. It didn’t help the Cadets when one of their players made a rather nasty racial slur towards Jim Thorpe at the beginning of the game. Football could be brutal back then, and Thorpe spent the game punishing the malevolent Cadet.

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
  90. @Steve Sailer

    “He conquered the world trying to win her love.”

    Uh. Even with Ridley at the helm this nearly 3 hour biopic has the possibility of turning into a histrionic soapster with Joaquin overly emoting. I’m still waiting for Ridley’s sequel to his underrated Alien Covenant featuring Michael Fassbender as David, one of the most sinister characters in SF celluloid. Waterloo is weak compared to the waiting battle between David’s Xenomorph variants and the Engineers. Fassbender is quite an actor. See him Ridley’s The Counselor which is scripted by Cormac McCarthy. Or rather, don’t see him in The Counselor because it might give the Shimmery the shivers and cause you to delete the film 1/4 of the way through due to grimness.

  91. Dmon says:
    @SFG

    Why would you think the neocon house organs would be giving the game away? Replacement of the US population has been in motion for going on 60 years and it’s still verboten to even mention it. With respect to the NYT and the like, I apply Macco’s Razor – the more unanimous and insistent the agreement of the Cathedral on any point, the more likely the exact opposite is true.
    And as far as the real reason for inciting and perpetuating the war, the US is on the edge of complete economic and social free-fall, and a scapegoat must be found to justify the upcoming massive repression necessary to “save our Democracy”. Everything is following Orwell to a T.

  92. Cosmopolitans going to create credit card tracking of firearms and ammo purchases.

    Tear up your AMEX card FIRST. Dump Amalgamated Bank.

    Gun, ammunition purchases by credit card will be coded to be tracked.

    Don’t believe me?

    (The Center Square) – The international organization responsible for creating merchant category codes for credit card purchases has given its approval to establish one for transactions made at gun stores.

    The International Organization for Standardization’s Registration and Maintenance Management Group met on Wednesday to discuss a request made by Amalgamated Bank to set up such a code.

    An ISO spokesperson told The Center Square that RMMG members could not decide whether to approve the application. That elevated the discussion to the ISO leadership that oversees standards for retail financial services.

    “Considering the application met all the criteria from ISO 18245 and no material arguments pertaining to the approval criteria outlined in the ISO 18245 standard to reject the code were made, SC9 leadership has approved this MCC application in order to comply with the standard,” the ISO said in a statement provided by Maria Lazarte, the organization’s team leader for media and engagement.

    That decision came less than a week after New York Attorney General Letitia James and California Attorney General Rob Bonta sent a letter to chief executives at American Express, Mastercard and Visa, urging them to support a merchant category code. They were joined on Wednesday morning by New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, who tweeted in support of an MCC.

    In a statement late Friday afternoon, James celebrated the ruling, saying it will prevent tragedies.

    “Labeling gun and ammunition sales is a responsible, common-sense way to help protect Americans, and I thank Amalgamated Bank for their bold leadership on this critical issue,” James said. “I urge credit card companies to take the next step and flag suspicious transactions on gun and ammunition sales, like they do for fraud and money laundering.”

    Opponents of the measure included the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

    In a statement to The Center Square, Mark Oliva, the organization’s managing director for public affairs, slammed the move, saying the creation of the code was “flawed on its premise. Those who believe it will help law enforcement do not provide details on what should be considered suspicious purchases.”

    “This decision chills the free exercise of Constitutionally-protected rights and does nothing to assist law enforcement with crime prevention or holding criminals accountable,” he said. “The Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics consistently shows in their own reporting that 90% of felons convicted of their crimes involving a firearm admit they illegally obtain those guns through theft or trading on the black market. Attaching codes specific to firearm and ammunition purchases casts a dark pall by gun control advocates who are only interested in disarming lawful gun owners.”

    Oliva added supporters of the MCC actually hope to stop purchases of guns and ammunition through credit cards.

    “Credit card companies have previously publicly resisted this because they understand it is not in their interest to monitor lawful private purchases,” he added.

    It’s uncertain at this time when the MCC would take effect.

    American Express, through a statement provided by Vice President of Corporate Affairs and Communications Andrew Johnson, said that it will follow the standard business practices, as it does anytime the ISO develops a new MCC.

    “It is important to note that MCC codes are one of many data points that help us understand the industries in which our merchants operate,” the statement read. “We are focused on ensuring that we have the right controls in place to meet our regulatory and fiduciary responsibilities, as well as prevent illegal activity​ on our network.”

    https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_york/gun-ammunition-purchases-by-credit-card-will-be-coded/article_5e81114c-307b-11ed-9d5f-8bd1e30f121a.html

    PRC here we come!

    • Replies: @fish
  93. @Peter Akuleyev

    Perhaps it makes sense to keep the A Team in reserve for defense against an actual NATO attack on Russia…

    Is it possible that there are already NATO units fighting alongside the Ukrainians?

    Would it be that difficult to disguise a few Polish or Romanian battalions as Ukrainian troops?

    Even if the Russians found out, would anyone care? Western media would move in lockstep to prevent the propagation of any such accusations.

  94. HA says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “Russia was only saved because the Germans eventually lost on the Western Front.”

    Same thing in WWII — it’s questionable whether Stalin’s “meatgrinder” approach would have saved the Soviet Union from Hitler without all the massive aid that Moscow was getting from the West, and it’s Ukraine that’s receiving Western aid this time around.

    The meatgrinder also didn’t work for the Russians in Afghanistan.

    Most importantly, it didn’t save the Soviet Union from collapsing.

    I know the fanboys love to pretend the meatgrinder never fails, but I’m really not seeing it. I mean, even if some of these cities are re-conquered, the Ukrainian security forces will likely have paid a visit by then to many or all of the able-bodied individuals in that region who had a cell phone and chose not to relay Russian troop movements or otherwise aid the Ukrainian partisans in the area and they will “politely inquire” why these individuals chose not to help. Talk about awkward! I’m guessing that will likely help send the message that if anyone in Donbass wants to avoid having to flee with the Putinoids back to Russia when their city is overrun, they’d better start upping their assistance to the partisan front. Bonasera was able to get away with the “I didn’t want to get into trouble” routine because Don Vito’s daughter was getting married, and because Don Vito, being a criminal, was indeed “trouble”. The Ukrainians, however, have the legal right-of-way in all this and they might not be so forgiving.

    I get that the fanboys want to believe that it was the CIA that illegally deposed Yanukovych, but even if that were true (which it isn’t), it would just mean that the CIA puppets successfully managed to overthrow Putin’s puppet — i.e. it means that Nuland was able to outdo Putin at his own game in an area he considered his own backyard — all without rolling in a single tank or swiping a single acre of Ukrainian land. No poison umbrellas or polonium, either. Well played, all you CIA spooks. You finally managed to win a round.

    And according to the fanboys, whenever you’re confronted with a clearly superior enemy you need to just lie back and enjoy it — you know, just like they’re telling the Ukrainians to do now. So even according to them, Putin should have just given up once it became clear that Nuland had schooled him. But the fanboys can’t even follow their own twisted logic.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Sean
    , @nokangaroos
  95. @Peter Akuleyev

    That’s all fine. Are you an American citizen? I am. I would like to see the billions of American dollars earmarked for Ukraine redirected to domestic needs, top of which is the southern border. I would like to see the thousands of military age male foreigners who have streamed across the border left purposefully open by the Obama clique herded into C-5s and flown to the NATO landing strip nearest to the border of Ukraine.

    • Agree: SteveRogers42
  96. @216

    Ground attack aircraft cannot survive even legacy air defense systems.

    To this point, all the reporting I’ve read claims the Russians are relying on the two generation old S-300 for air defense/area denial and are holding the more modern S-400s and S-500s in reserve for the NATO response they believe is coming.

  97. Anon7 says:

    What I didn’t really think about in February:

    1. The people running US foreign policy are brutal psychopaths who don’t care if a small country is reduced to rubble and its people become refugees numbering in the millions.

    2. The puppet government in Ukraine had at its disposal 150k to 200k highly trained (NATO-trained!) troops who would really stand their ground.

    3. The Russians would not call out the US and NATO on their use of sophisticated theater of war information systems that make mockery of the idea of proxy war – these systems permit the US and NATO to be active participants.

    The ball is in the Russian court now. The most obvious play is for them to say:

    “This land we’ve taken is ours. If you want to see what our military can really do, just keep doing what you’re doing. No centrally generated electricity or water or communication or food, no functional bridges or major roads over the entire land area of Ukraine – that’s what’s next.”

    • Replies: @Anon7
  98. BB753 says:
    @HA

    Ukrainian fanboys decrying Russian fanboys.. The irony! At least Putin is a true statesman not an actor like Zelensky!

    https://youtu.be/DcmyUXxFSIM

  99. Sean says:
    @Pixo

    “In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    Was it destroyed or captured or failed to divert Ukrainian forces from the Russian advances in the South (Kherson bridgehead over the Dnipro threatening Odessa)?

    Let’s never forget Davey’s pervie fantasies he posted here about Zelensky being captured and begging Putin to spare his life.

    By historical precident, Zelensky has less than five years to live; after the vanquishing of an apparently unbeatable enemy invasion Zelensky will die mysteriously after a trip to Crimea. Just like Tsar Nicolas I, who caught a chill after shoveling snow up his nose malaria there.

    America could give Ukraine what it needs to actually push the Russians back inside Russia but it hasn’t. Lloyd Austen spelled out the American aim, which is damage the Russian military’s potential. But doing that will entail wrecking Ukraine, and tens of thousands more Ukrainian deaths Get it into your noggin that this is not a zero sum game in which if Russia loses then Ukraine wins. Pinpointing of Russian dispositions is being done by American intel, even specific Russian generals have been targeted by Ukraine acting on such information but not knowing what Russian general they are offing (the death of the head of Russian electronic warfare

    Obama vetoed Blinken and others’ urging to send weapons to Ukraine because he said Russia had “escalatory dominance’. Since then Russia has escalated to an astounding degree. America is not terribly worried about Ukraine being decimated and Russia may not have anything more of the same to throw at Ukraine, yet the US, seems to be taking the prospects of further escalation seriously judging by how Ukraine have been denied ATACMS. What the Americans are worried about is Russia collapsing and getting out of Ukraine instead of being worn down there for years and having its economy and technological callabilities hamstrung into the future by sanctions. If forced to accept a permanent strategically important reverse in the Kherson theatre against a medium sized technologically middling country like Ukraine the RF might as well disarm because they could not beat any great power that invaded Russia.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  100. JR Ewing says:
    @SFG

    Seems to me they could let Russia have the Donbas if it ends the war. I’ve seen rumors the US shut down peace talks to that effect, which would make sense geopolitically.

    This was indeed being openly discussed in the late spring: Russia gets control of territory in the east and stops military operations in return for a pledge that Ukraine stays out of NATO and possibly the EU. Putin would have taken the deal at the time given the state of his forces and the continued loss of his generals.

    You are correct that the west scuttled this deal because the war hadn’t gone on long enough and it wants a damaged and weakened Russia more than it really cares about Ukraine, despite the popular sentiment otherwise.

    This war is ripe for a settlement, the question is what exactly does Putin want and will the west allow him to save face in the end? He’s not going to conquer all of Ukraine and probably doesn’t have the capability to capture and hold the rest of the coastline (i.e. Odessa) without a major escalation of his forces, which he seems to be unwilling to do for domestic reasons. I’ve been saying for some time that in his own special way, the west sees Putin as a deplorable and an anti-woke extension and ally of the evil Donald Trump, so it has not been incentivized – yet – to let him get out, but I suspect that with the winter quickly coming and energy shortages already occurring, the end is likely sooner than we suspect.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  101. Jack D says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    For whatever reason, Putin has still refused to commit elite troops to the “Special Operation”.

    Maybe the reason is that they don’t really exist or aren’t able to be committed. #1, they are not that elite, #2 even if they were, they are not necessarily at Putin’s command anymore. Playing war games is one thing and fighting a war is another. Maybe their generals don’t want to see them chewed up. Maybe the generals THEMSELVES don’t want to get chewed up – Russian generals are supposed to lead from the front. Maybe they don’t want to end up like Gen. Sychevoi or dead:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/captured-russian-general-shown-bloodied-27956730

    Of course no Russian general is going to refuse a direct order from Putin but maybe transport is not available, blah, blah, blah. And what happens when the generals order the troops to go and they don’t want to go? Sure that Russian military salary is nice (at least compared to what you could make back home in your godforsaken village) but they signed up to defend Russia, not to invade other countries.

    I’m looking forward to all the copium from the Putinists about how ’tis but a scratch, the reinforcements are coming, the Ukrainians will soon wake up and realize that Russians are really their brothers and Americans are all gay, etc.

    The Russian warbloggers on Telegram seem to have gotten that this is a serious defeat for Russia, but the lesson that (at least some of them) are drawing is that it’s time to nuke Ukraine/ NATO/Washington.

    Putin has avoided general mobilization because he knows that it would be deeply unpopular. Signing up volunteer Asiatic contract soldiers from Bumfukistan to die in Ukraine is one thing. Drafting the sons of the elites out out of Moscow and St. Petersburg is quite another. The deal that Putin has with the Russian people is that he will give them a comfortable life if they agree to stay out of politics. Even in the face of sanctions, life in Moscow goes on pretty much as before. Going to a Z rally is one thing (lots of fun, dress up kids in WWII uniforms and sing Katyusha), getting blown to bits in Ukraine is something else.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  102. Batman says:

    Here’s a reminder that the only difference between the war in Ukraine and the dozens of other current border skirmishes across the globe is the Biden Crime Family is using Ukraine to steal billions of dollars.

  103. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:

    Is it?

  104. Russia is right to invade Ukraine. The only reason they have not conquered the country already is that they refuse to fight all-out war, the way the Ukrainians are doing. They could decimate the country, with only conventional weapons, in a trice, if they weren’t being careful about civilians.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainians gleefully and ingeniously torture and kill prisoners and civilians by the cartload.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. It’s fair to say most people following the war are now emotionally invested in one of the sides, it happens. So as difficult as it is to accept setbacks, you’re just going to have to keep the faith. People made their choice and are cheering for a macabre team sport, again, that’s how people are, no judgment.

    I stand by what conclusions I made earlier, it’s going to be a long grind, causing deep frustration because neither side, especially Russia, is fighting the war the way pundits expect them to fight. Bigger battles lie ahead, and more lamentation, according to what I understand, and with more possible reverses and gains. They say war is an evil thing, I’m no expert, but I do think I found some commentators who read the situation better than the mainstream media, and I believe I can deal with being proved wrong.

    The butcher’s bill will likely tell the true tale about what happened in the last few days, ugly as that is.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  106. @Peter Akuleyev

    No one has done more damage to Donbas than Putin.

    This is a blatant lie. It is also a stupid thing to say.

    I have followed daily reports of Russian supported activities in Syria, meaning the conquests and policing by Syrian and Russian troops, and I have followed the daily activities of the first few months of the Special Military Operation in the Ukraine.

    Russian military strategy in the 2000’s is
    – to destroy the enemy’s armor,
    – to envelop enemy troops and
    – offer a choice of surrender and relocation or annihilation,
    – and to preserve infrastructure
    – while protecting civilians.

    For eight years, Kiev has indiscriminately shelled the Donbass.

    • Agree: SteveRogers42
  107. Paul Rise says:

    I wouldn’t put much stock is whatever is being reported by either side. I think that a rule of thumb that has worked well since Russians invaded.

    In this particular instance the Ukrainians have every motive to exaggerate what is happening and the Russians have every motivation to stay silent.

    Its interesting how over the last few weeks there was increasingly bleak assessments of what was going on and how unsustainable the current situation was for Europe. So not surprised suddenly UKR is having this big successful offensive.

    Hey maybe it is actually true.

  108. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    If forced to accept a permanent strategically important reverse in the Kherson theatre against a medium sized technologically middling country like Ukraine the RF might as well disarm because they could not beat any great power that invaded Russia.

    Even before the current breakthru toward Izyum, it was clear that the Russian Army was not the #2 Army in the world as they had been selling themselves. Their air force and navy have been more or less worthless, their ability to do combined operations nil. The only thing that they are moderately good at is massed artillery attacks – a very blunt force weapon. Even if it succeeds, you become master of the ruins.

    As for beating any great power that invades Russia, no one (certainly not NATO or the US) is or was planning on or ever intends to invade Russia – this is some kind of crazy paranoid Russian fantasy. Putin is like Annakin Skywalker – he is so worried that someone is going to hurt his wife that he ends up killing her himself. Even the Chinese are not invasion minded – if they are going to invade anywhere, it’s going to be Taiwan, not Russia.

    Instead of rearming (most of the \$ ended up in London and California real estate anyway) Putin could have used the oil money to modernize his economy and prepare for the post carbon fuel era. Instead he prepared for the WWIII that was never going to happen unless he himself provoked it.

    If Russia had disarmed, absolutely nothing would have happened. No one wants to invade Russia.

  109. HA says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    “Russia has not held back its “A Team.” Yes, it has not deployed literally every single soldier to Ukraine, but it has to defend its own borders and quell internal dissent. “

    Moreover, the obvious reason why Russia didn’t bomb the massive shipments of NATO weapons over the past few months — despite numerous warnings even among his own trolls that something needed to be done — is because they don’t have enough high-precision munitions up to the task (so instead they just tossed a bunch of ill-aimed bombs at civilian areas.) When it comes to the high-tech stuff, what they haven’t blown through already needs to be kept in reserve for when the Chechens start to get restless again, or when Belarussian patriots decide to overthrow the Putin monkey who’s in charge now. Or maybe Kazakhstan gets too uppity — who knows? Will the fanboys admit that? Of course not. But to anyone outside the echo chamber, that’s what seems to be happening.

    And the obvious reason that Russia is “negotiating” with (i.e. willing to get gouged by) North Korea for more munitions is that even when it comes to dilapidated Soviet-era technology, its supply isn’t as inexhaustible as they would have us believe. That’s why, I suspect, things suddenly became relatively quiet (or at least quieter) all along the frontlines once the HIMARs came on line.

    It’s true that up till now, Moscow/StPetersburg boys have been spared from getting turned into Putin’s cannon-fodder. But if they start getting tossed into the meatgrinder, too, along with all those Donbass boys and Buryats, then who’s gonna fight those Chechens and Belarussians once all this is over? Is Putin going to still be riding high once Moscow boys start getting killed? Doubtful.

    And anyway, a good chunk of Russian SMO forces are now trapped in Kherson with precious little in the way of bridges and exits that would allow them to help their fellow invaders in Donbass. Oh, well. I was wondering why the Ukrainians were allowing a huge column of weapons to be shipped to Crimea right under their noses (see Twitter post under the More tag), but now it’s fairly clear that they were fine with that, and once the last tank is unloaded, they’ll bomb the bridge and proceed to rain down HIMAR missiles at whatever point those munitions are stored. I don’t know how the rest of the Kherson offensive will go, but so far, it’s certainly been a much better “feint” then anything the Russians pretended they were doing once they realized that Kyiv wasn’t gonna happen.

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  110. @216

    It must have escaped your notice that the United States has its own oil and all that is needed is “drill baby drill” and not a war or anything else with the third-rate socialist government running Venezuala into the ground.

    • Replies: @216
  111. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Even the Chinese are not invasion minded – if they are going to invade anywhere, it’s going to be Taiwan, not Russia.

    Why not both? China’s population is growing and becoming more affluent. They will need more space and more resources. Russia has both.

  112. HA says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    “I’m not. At this point I think the smart, but cynical, move would be for Ukraine to let those economic disaster areas [in Donbass] join Russia.

    The Putin stooges are big fans of Mearshimer, who is a long-time advocate of population transfers. Seems like another good opportunity for Russia-boosters to take a dose of what their own gurus are advocating.

    That’s not my preference, mind you. All the Putin “levy” mafioso (see link below) ,who have been allowed to turn Donbass into the basket-case of dysfunction that it is today with their extortion rackets, probably do need to leave. It’ll be Russia’s own version of the Mariel boat lift as far as getting stuck with a bunch of criminals they really don’t need. But as for the rest, they can go back to living in peace once the Russian military (that has been around since 2014) finally leaves and lets them go back to being a part of Ukraine. Again, that’s my vote. But hey, if the fanboys like Mearshimer’s way of thinking, well, this is a good time to show it.

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  113. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    lloyd Austen said he wanted to help Ukraine retain its sovereignty and defend its territory, and the US wanted Russia to be weakened by losses in men and equipment it could not replace. That would require a very long and bloody war fought inside Ukraine. One in which if Russia lost Ukraine would be decimated.

    This U.S.-financed war just happens to be killing off the strongest young men from two of the ethnic groups most hated by the jews.

    Coincidence?

  114. @PhysicistDave

    Ukraine is a Zionist enclave/playground with NATO protection. Western security and political elites all have a stake in the Ukrainian/Israeli organized crime trafficking of drugs, weapons, and humans continuing through the Ukrainian hub. Russia remaining a nationalist state is not in the interest of Zionist oligarchs or the globalist billionaires that are obviously in control of Western governments.

    The American Empire is in late stage, and on the verge of collapse. I would like to think we are at an inflection point, where we can redesign the Republic, starting with draining power from DC, the fetid imperial capital, before things turn to complete shite. The Mission Statement of the New Political Architects should begin with the obvious: Centralization breeds tyrants. All power will be localized. And yes, I should be one of the architects.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  115. Anon[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @216

    Not to mention that the Democrats will deny us self-determination in November ’22 and ’24

    Thank the anti-abortion idiots.

  116. Who are pro-Russian backers? In my opinion, there are three types:

    1. people who idolize power, who despise smaller peoples or nations, who adore big bullies.

    2. anti-SJW types, who mistook Putin for some sort of white Messianic savior who would smash the US faggotry & other CRT lunacies & preserve traditional white civilization.

    3. opportunists who like their relatively comfortable life & don’t want to be bothered with “inconveniences” like inflation, energy crisis etc.

    As I said- this is a heroic re-birth of the Ukrainian nation.

    But- what next with the West (here I, contrary to most others, include Russia, too)?

    Gays and trannies are not our real problem; nor are the Chinese & some others.

    Our problems are Africans & Muslims combined with self-destructive hedonism, greed and lunacy of the elites. And we still don’t know how to deal with them.

    • Replies: @Esso
  117. Interesting. No reports for months on Ukraine by Steve, but now that something has finally gone their way, he’s all over it. Does he understand that all of the worst people, the ones behind all of the cultural phenomena he criticizes the most, are the ones who are pulling for Ukraine the hardest?

  118. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    The heavy artillery will now be turned on the recaptured area and the Ukrainian nationalist battalions will be replaced to not expose them to the bombardments that are coming and will wreck Balakliia, which will be recaptured.

    The Ukrainians are moving so fast that you cannot type fast enough to reflect the actual situation on the ground. This is what happens when your front collapses – ask the French of 1940. You are talking about the Russians coming back to Balakliya but they are already withdrawing from Izyum, 40 km to the SE:

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/10/world/ukraine-russia-war#ukrainian-forces-push-deeper-into-kharkiv-region-capturing-more-towns

    https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/9-september-ukrainian-military-reportedly-is-in-kapitolovka

    It’s great (if you are a Putinist) to imagine that the Russians will counterattack but so far the counterattack exists only in your imagination – on the ground the Russians are rolling in the other direction. They are retreating as fast as they can to avoid being encircled or (cough) caught in a cauldron. That’s right – the cauldron that the Putinists have been talking about for 6 months is finally starting to boil, but the Russians are what’s for dinner.

    • Replies: @Sean
  119. Judging by which comments make it through moderation, the point of this thing is to engage in a little anti-Russian trash talking. That’s fine. I guess western chauvinists have to get their vicarious wins where they can find them. We’ve been on such a long losing streak that even this mess in Ukraine feels like a win to many of you.

    I’m an out and proud western chauvinist myself but this leaves me cold. The people who grossly misgovern our West managed to make Ukraine an intolerable “anti-Russia” and so Russia intervened. Goodie for us all.

  120. Sean says:
    @HA

    And according to the fanboys, whenever you’re confronted with a clearly superior enemy you need to just lie back and enjoy it — you know, just like they’re telling the Ukrainians to do now.

    There is never any final answer as to whether peace or security is the supreme immediate priority. Ukraine ignored more than a decade of warning that it would cease to exist if it persisted in trying to join Nato, and the invasion of Georgia months after the 2008 Nato announcement that Georgia and Ukraine would at some point in the future join Nato.

    Some things when at issue are fighting questions. To feel compelled to start a fight, begin to fight, fight by mutual agreement( or fight back) is not necessarily to think you will win. That is as true of the Russians as it is anyone else including the Ukrainians. Meaning, a country that draws an untenable red line against a nation state with powerful friends is a dangerous country to discount merely because it would objectively be better off remaining passive, but inviting destruction to act (or react). A quarter of Russians don’t have an inside toilet, and a similar proportion of Russian men die before they reach 55. Russians are remarkably careless with themselves, not anxious. I would not bet a lot of money on them over dramatizing their difficulties, or correctly characterizing them. They are most likely going to blunder on the same pyrrhic fashion, and wreck Ukraine in the process. Ukraine could have avoided that and seemed to by electing Zelensky. Ukraine approved a law on “special status” for Donbas oas specified by Minsk II.; in 2019, Ukraine’s parliament approved increased autonomy to separatist-area in the Donbass, with the proviso that there were local elections under Ukrainian jurisdiction.

    Ukraine existing as an intact independent country including majority Russian speaking and historically Russia Crimea which Ukraine was gifted without any idea it would pocket it and leave, is not the problem for Russia , it was Ukraine existing as a Western ally. Ukraine was free, but not to affiliate to Nato and live happy ever all the while presenting Russia with a security problem. The definition of sovereign is recognising no higher authority, and ’tis the nature of the beasts that Russia just as much as Ukraine decides what it ought to consider unacceptable.

    ‘No one is going to end up happy even if Western support is maintained’ does sound like the way things end up in the real world. former British army’s highest ranking general Lord Richard Dannatt shows himself to be a very realistic fellow. I am not sure any serving Ukrainian general would dare give such views though. Still less is anyone going to recall what Russian was prepared to settle for before this year.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @John Johnson
  121. Anon[831] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Meanwhile continuing this war of attrition is of no value to Europe or America (Though America is trying to make as much of it as it can at Europe’s expense) since it’s only purpose is to tie down Russian military in Ukraine and deplete it so an attempt at regime change and general destruction in Syria can be made.

    What is the relevance to Syria of the Russian military? Is this why so many jews are anti-Russian?

  122. I hate to say it but Steve knows next to nothing about the Ukraine situation and is just regurgitating pro-Ukraine nonsense from American MSM. For example, the big Kherson offensive he talked about DID take place. It was an unmitigated debacle for the Ukrainians who wasted their best troops and new western equipment for nothing.

    What Steve is now talking about is a SECOND offensive Ukraine launched north of Izium. The Russians do defense in depth with mobile firepower rather than WWI tactics of defending every inch like the Ukrainians. So the Russians fell back through meaningless territory and have brought up reserves for a massive counterattack.

    The geography and logistics suggest that the Ukrainians have basically stuck their head in a noose. But we’ll see what happens next. Odds are it won’t be good for the Ukrainians.

    I touted this new substack as on off topic on the last thread. It only has two posts so far, but here’s his analysis of the current Ukrainian raid.

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/ukraine-counterattacks

    As I said last time, the original post is the best short and precise summary of the whole Ukraine situation that I’ve seen. A must read IMHO.

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-russo-ukrainian-war

    • Replies: @Pixo
    , @HA
  123. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Rope-a-dope.

    When enough Ukranians advance to an area without civilian shields, they will probably by hyperbariced.

    Russians are always willing to give ground to win in the end, it’s their military tradition. Lugansk and Donetesk would be armed to the gills by now, and a real pain for the Ukrainians to try and hold anyway.

    Vladimir Putin has made an ass out of NATO and America for the last few years. I can’t believe some little offensive has everyone excited. Putin is a wily SOB kids, much smarter than any president we have had since Bush the Elder in 88-92.

  124. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Russia is right to invade Ukraine.

    What makes it right for them to have invaded?

  125. Yes Steve , feints are possible. You just fell for one.

  126. @SFG

    Steve stands behind Ukrainians thinking of themselves as a people, organizing as a people and defending their people, but finds the thought of American whites doing the same thing appalling.

    Steve is a hypocrite.

  127. @jb

    If you think that Z Man is a white nationalist, you’re either an idiot ot a liar.

    • Replies: @jb
  128. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @wj

    Did Bardon Kaldian ever actually say “that Ukraine is about to win it all” or are you projecting onto him the massive amount of pro-Russian commenters who were saying many times in February, March, April, and even May and beyond that Russia’s about to win the entire war, that Russia’s about to capture Kharkiv, Kiev, etc.

  129. HA says:
    @Sean

    “There is never any final answer as to whether peace or security is the supreme immediate priority. Ukraine ignored more than a decade of warning that it would cease to exist if it persisted in trying to join Nato…”

    It hasn’t ceased to exist yet, has it? Did that not factor into your equation? And as for final answers, the fanboys — including Mearshimer — were pretty clear that in the face of an overwhelmingly powerful opponent, Ukraine was much better off caving in. That being the case, Putin should have likewise graciously accepted the inevitable once Nuland, according to the fanboys’ own conspiracy theory, beat him at his own game without a single tank in her box of tools. At that point, it was obvious that he was no match for her. So he should have just sat back and enjoyed it, right?

    And if the fanboys don’t have the backbone to take their own advice and urge Putin to do that, then they have no business telling Ukrainians to accept defeat. They have no business telling anyone to do anything. And no one is rolling tanks into Russia at the moment — the same cannot be said with regard to what you expected the Ukrainians to swallow. NATO could accept an application from Kazakhstan at this point, and Russia would still stay intact. The only one making existential threats in all this is Putin himself.

    So just soak it up, Sean. That’s exactly what you were telling the Ukrainians they had to do.

    “a country that draws an untenable red line against a nation state with powerful friends is a dangerous country to discount merely because it would objectively be better off remaining passive, but inviting destruction to act (or react).”

    Yeah, well, it looks like the Ukrainians are drawing an untenable red line across the map at the moment. Learn to take your own advice, Sean. And maybe wipe the egg off your face.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Jack D
  130. @Jack D

    Putin could have used the oil money to modernize his economy and prepare for the post carbon fuel era.

    The post carbon fuel era? Please. Unless its nuclear it’s not going to happen.

    Is that what we’re really doing over here, using our money to modernize and prepare for the post carbon fuel era? Do you believe in that fantasy, and do you support the insane political measures now flying on that imaginary wing?

    You’re a smart guy, or you pretend to be one on the internet, so I don’t know why you included that in your list of what Putin would have done if he were as smart and successful in life as you are.

    I’m sure Mike Bloomberg would know the answer. He’ll probably solve the whole problem. After all, he installed PCs on Wall Street when it became obvious that somebody was eventually going to do it.

    Has Annie Leibovitz scheduled her photo session with you and your wife yet?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  131. ‘Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.’

    Yeah. The same thing has happened to the Palestinians. For that matter, it happened to us. We started out the Revolutionary War demanding our rights ‘as Englishmen’ and finished up as an independent country.

    On the other hand, to what extent are the Ukrainians actually behind this war? We no longer have a free press. Who knows? All this fighting is on a very small scale, comparatively. Is it really a national struggle or something the bulk of the people are just passively enduring?

    Of course, there again, the same thing has been said of our War of Independence. However, I’m suspicious of the motives of those ruling the second-most corrupt country in Europe. Maybe the war’s just a money maker.

    So given the lies, and the suspicious unanimity, and the obvious potential for fraud (and even determined efforts to ensure that potential remains), I ha ma doots.

    Putin may not be the good guy — but is Zelensky? Are we? After all, we deliberately baited Putin into attacking the Ukraine. This war didn’t have to happen. Even now, I suspect we could end it tomorrow.

  132. @Anonymous

    China’s population is shrinking.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  133. Pixo says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “The brave Russian Army is engaged in a brilliant and gloriously full retreat, with the Nazi Homosexual Jewkrainian force following them in a panicked and disorderly pursuit. Their retaking in 3 days time land that took Russia 3 months to capture is really Zelensky slipping his head into powerful Russian noose.”

  134. @Pixo

    I think we should refrain from such type of discourse. Discussions should be as impersonal as possible.

    • Agree: Renard, JR Ewing
  135. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “The geography and logistics suggest that the Ukrainians have basically stuck their head in a noose. But we’ll see what happens next. Odds are it won’t be good for the Ukrainians….the original post is the best short and precise summary of the whole Ukraine situation that I’ve seen. A must read IMHO.”

    From this so-called “mustread”, dated Sep 9:

    Capturing Izyum was a major objective for Russia in the early weeks of the war…It is obvious why Ukraine would want to dislodge Russia from Izyum… This operation, I believe, is doomed to spectacular failure.…the Ukrainian advance has been too slow and lacks a clear path to reach operational objectives.

    Here we are at Sep 10, one day later:

    A local Moscow-backed official and pro-Russian military bloggers said Saturday Kremlin forces had pulled out of Izyum, a staging post for the campaign in Donbas, to avoid being encircled.

    Does that sound like a spectacular failure to you? Does that sound like the Ukrainian advance has been “too slow”? Regardless of what happens next, the Russians have obviously been dislodged for the moment.

    So maybe read your own drivel next time, before presenting it to us as some mustread. You’ll seem less pathetic that way.

    • LOL: Pixo
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  136. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    The massive long distance retreat from around Kiev of the best units Russia had was followed by a Russian collapse was it? The troops currently running and surrendering are not actually from the RF, they are Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity, with a larding of Wagner who tend to be older men as mercenaries. Behind them are Chechens there as battle police, and Russian national guard who are not given a combat role. Russia’s Russian speaking Ukrainians poorly armed and equipped in the rebel militia units are the ones being killed and captured because they are being attacked by the elite units of the Ukrainian army, who Ukraine cannot afford to risk against the Russians professional troop concentrations in Kherson, no matter now many bridges get blown up. If RF national mobilization was required to have quality troops along the front and not present Ukraine with low hanging fruit area, then that will be tried.

    Dubious the Ukrainian high command did not understand that an offensive that did not achieve a decisive result would not be worth the risk of precipitating a Russian mobilization. This was nicely done but repeating the trick will be a challenge, I expect Zelensky demanded a successful offensive somewhere for political purposes; domestic not for keeping the ‘West’ (US) happy. The problem wil be to stop the US bribing supplying Ukraine with everything it needs and wants and then some when Ukraine’s ordinary people finally realise there will be no end to fighting Russia and gets tired of being a militerised subsidised state a la Prussia: a cat’s paw for weakening a stand off great power’s enemies.

  137. JimB says:
    @PhysicistDave

    War is about defeating the other side’s army. Nothing else really matters.

    As we learned in the Vietnam War and Afghanistan, an army can go undefeated and still lose a long war. Russia and the US both think it is to their advantage to stretch out the Ukraine conflict, but I rather think time is on the side of Russia.

    Nobody doubts Russia’s ability to wipe out all Ukraine’s energy and transportation infrastructure, not to mention reduce Kiev to rubble, but they don’t. They are content to use low tech offensive weapons in the Donbas to empty their storehouses of Cold War munitions, while the US depletes its stock of high tech weaponry to supply Zelensky. However, less than 30% of US military aid makes it to the front, with the rest being blown up by Z or sold on the black market by the Mafia government and oligarchs running Kiev. But maybe this is the right way to see how the US will be defeated.

    Like Ukraine, the US government is run by a number of prominent crime families, the Biden’s, the Obama’s, the Pelosi’s, and the Clinton’s, and a host of their capos run the deep state. Wars, pandemics, and self-inflicted energy shortages are great for the Mafia party when it’s in power because the Congress can vote for lavish spending on programs to “solve” these problems that the individual members of Congress and the executive branch can skim. But the skimming by the Democrats has now become so reckless that we are in Tony Soprano territory and our currency is near collapse. All the while our country is filling up with millions of mendicants walking over the southern border who raise demand for goods and services without producing much of anything except votes to keep the Mafia party in power. While the ruble remains healthy, given that its value is grounded in energy and mineral reserves, the Russians experience very little privation due the Biden sanctions, whereas the dollar is collapsing and Americans are selling off their cars, cancelling their summer vacations, and putting more bread into their meatloaf.

    How far off can energy and food rationing in the US be? Putin knows the coming winter of discontent will be the big stressor on the West, so he patiently waits while our high tech weapons stock dwindles, domestic gas prices skyrocket, and our currency turns to toilet paper because of Democrat greed. And in our moment of greatest military and economic weakness, China will attack Taiwan and destroy most of the US Pacific fleet if it tries to intervene.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  138. Farenheit says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think after six months, every Russian has figured out this proxy war started and funded by the US is an attempt by the US, in the 21st century, the replicate what the British did to the Chinese in the 19th century. Namely to break them politically and militarily so they can be looted and humiliated.

    There are few wars that were as easy to predict, and as easy to prevent, as this one

  139. Hopefully the war ends soon with a peace accord before we need to send Ukraine another 45 billion dollars…but the Ukrainian leaders are reaping billions of dollars each month, giving them an incentive to keep the gravy train going to pad their coffers and expand their power and wealth. American firms are also reaping billions in profits each month. too many Americans are making a killing with this war, so it will probably go in for another decade , or until we elect leaders who decide to put America first.

  140. @Jack D

    Instead of rearming (most of the \$ ended up in London and California real estate anyway) Putin could have used the oil money to modernize his economy and prepare for the post carbon fuel era.

    He also could have used that oil money to invest in family-oriented policies to reverse their population decline. Or simply remove taxes on families. Russia is the world’s largest country and has had negative population growth since 1994. Population growth has been disproportionately Muslim.

    But this is the guy that spent over 1.4 billion yes BILLION dollars on a gaudy mansion that he never visits.

    Putin probably has the smallest penis in all of Russia.

    Men with confidence don’t build 1.4 billion dollar mansions or wear height enhancing shoe implants.

    This is just a dying man that never cared about Russians and is just trying to go out as some conqueror.

    It isn’t going to happen. He will be in the loser Tsar category with Nicholas II.

    What a shame that brave men on both sides have to die for his pathetic ego. Another dysgenic European war where the dictator believes so much in the war that he stays well away from the frontlines.

    • Agree: Jack D
  141. BB753 says:
    @mc23

    Kherson is key. That’s why Russia held on to it and allowed a Ukrainian advance in Donbass which they can nullify easily. Watch out for a manoeuver enveloping the Ukies in low land in a pincer movement.

  142. I’ve never been able to make heads or tails of this conflict. I’d like to see the neocons lose but I’m well aware that Putin is an imperfect instrument and this war is a horrible tragedy. So I don’t see much point in commenting.

    I’m equally ambivalent about the queen. Yes, she presided over the destruction of her country. But she was a likable figure and a venerable presence on the world stage. It’s just weird to think that she’s finally gone.

    • Thanks: Cagey Beast
  143. @HA

    – It is true the most lasting disastrous effect will be on morale; the Russians
    are seen as unable to protect their civilians and the Jews will make sure to rub
    that in (as they did in Bucha – where they purposely left the white armbands
    on their victims lest anyone mistakenly blame the Russians; the “West” would
    believe as they are told anyway).
    The ball is in Russia´s court now …

  144. @John Johnson

    “Putin probably has the smallest penis in all of Russia.”

    There we go! I was waiting for one of you to jump the shark with the laziest put down our crappy culture has to offer. Go eat a tube of raw cookie dough while watching Netflix; you’ve earned it, girlfriend!

  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes, and any European white Christian conservative is insane to take Russia’s side against Poland. It is a complete betrayal of our European ancestors to side with the Asiatics in this war.

    And just as insane to take Ukraine’s side at the expense of the rest of Europe.

    We should be trying to broker an armistice.

  146. For a guy who claims to be anti-war, Steve sure expresses a lot of interest in tactics and strategy.

    It’s like a columnist who says he hates baseball writing an editorial about how he thinks the Mets are going to beat the Yankees in the World Series.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  147. AP says:
    @Anne Lid

    However corrupt and inept Yanukovich was, there was a proper way to get rid of him come election time

    No there wasn’t. He had previously subverted the parliamentary election, where his side lost the popular vote but he retained control over parliament. At the time that he was overthrown the main opposition candidate had his offices raided by Yanukovich’s police.

    The people of Ukraine knew better what was going on in their own country than someone like you does. They overthrew him.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: HA
  148. @Sean

    Ukraine ignored more than a decade of warning that it would cease to exist if it persisted in trying to join Nato,

    How many times do we have to repeat this?

    1. Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO
    2. Ukraine wasn’t invited into NAVO
    3. France, Germany and Turkey stated that they would not vote for Ukraine

    What happened is that an American diplomat at one point said “Ukraine should join NATO” and the pro-Putin faction at Unz have changed that to “Ukraine was about to join NATO” without understanding that you need a unanimous vote.

    Feel free to try and deny points 1-3. I can even provide official statements from NATO where they explain why Ukraine never qualified.

    Putin said the war was about NATO but then later changed to “neo-nazis” and now Donbass.

    His supporters are blind followers that don’t fact check anything that he says.

    Ukraine existing as an intact independent country including majority Russian speaking and historically Russia Crimea which Ukraine was gifted without any idea it would pocket it and leave, is not the problem for Russia

    No mention of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum where Russia agreed to recognize Ukraine which included Crimea in exchange for their nukes.

    That is never mentioned by Unz Putin defenders and of course is never spoken of on PuntinTV.

    Putin’s US supporters seem to dream of a dictatorship enforced media where these simple questions will get a knock on your door. Oh but if someone on alt-right is harassed by the government THATS A VIOLATION OF FREE SPEECH. Anyone that disappears in Russia for calling out Putin’s total bullshit well……..THATS DIFFERENT.

    Putin’s bullshit filled excuses only work in Russia where they don’t have free speech. On the internet they fall apart in minutes.

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
  149. Sean says:
    @HA

    NATO could accept an application from Kazakhstan at this point, and Russia would still stay intact.

    Russia tried to join Nato, that happened under Yeltsin and Putin, who both got fobbed off as opposed to the fast track pre acceptance without actually membership of Georgia and Ukraine in 2008. Georgia was promptly subjected to a full scale Russian army invasion

    . [Ukraine] hasn’t ceased to exist yet, has it?

    Refresh you memory on what “Ukraine” had and had going for it in 2008.

    NATO could accept an application from Kazakhstan at this point, and Russia would still stay intact. The only one making existential threats in all this is Putin himself.

    Kazakhstan renounced thermonuclear weapon for the same reason that Ukraine did, the US paid off the politician in those country. The Ukrainian ones got less than the wily Kazakhstan ones, although Ukraine could have stood alone and been safe with a nuclear deterrent. Decades ago that was and Mearsheimer predicted at the time that Ukraine would regret it and how right he was about that. He also said back before that the Russian army was crap, especially at invasions. But for all its comical and clumsy fiascos in Ukraine I have to agree with Mearsheimer that Russia is going to be a terrible long term problem for Ukraine even after this war.

    “There is never any final answer as to whether peace or security is the supreme immediate priority. Ukraine ignored more than a decade of warning that it would cease to exist if it persisted in trying to join Nato…”

    Russia decided not to “just soak it up”, they knew it was the end of peace. Ukraine didn’t the Ukrainians did not realise Putin was serious until about the last week or two before it happened. The proof of that is Zelensky told Biden to shut up with the warnings as it was damaging the Ukrainian tourist industry.

    Commenting flame wars may be a zero sum game with only partisans of Russia and Ukraine playing, but it seems to me that Ukraine can knock seven bells out of Russia without and concrete gains. The question then become could the war have been avoided by Ukraine. Of course if glory is your supreme objective them fighting Russia is a may to attain it, but was Zelensky elected on a platform of such an uncompromising stand as he took following his U-turn on Minsk 2 in the face of mass demonstrations by nationalist activist outside his presidential offices? It was no matter of priciple that the U-turn tuned on but just apolitician who lacked grit to continue on a course that would make him a little unpoular.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @HA
    , @Anon
  150. Dutch Boy says:
    @PhysicistDave

    This is the same conclusion U. S. Grant came to. “On to Richmond” was the slogan but the actual target was the Army of Northern Virginia. While it existed, The Confederacy existed.

  151. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    I didn’t say that all of Russia was going to collapse, just that the Kharkiv front had collapsed, just like the Kyiv front collapsed. It’s too soon to say, but probably the Russians are not coming back just like they did not come back to Kyiv either.

    So I’m predicting that your very specific prediction that the Russians are going to retake Balakliya after an artillery counterattack is completely wrong. I don’t think Balakliya is even in Russian artillery range anymore. Your prediction has been “overtaken by events”.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/world/europe/ukraine-maps.html

    That being said, there are only so many defeats and losses of face that a dictator can stand before the people around him decide to get rid of him. Sure Russia can feed the Russian population (and Putinists in the West) with endless amounts of copium – ’tis but a scratch, a gesture of “goodwill”, etc. and they will keep eating it. But the boys in the Kremlin know what is what and are not going to want to go down with the ship for Vlad’s sake. Putinism has no real ideology other than greed (forget the nationalism – that’s kayfabe for the rubes).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
  152. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Every one of your posts since you joined Unz.com has been an uphill battle against reality.

    • Replies: @Sean
  153. @Sean

    The problem wil be to stop the US bribing supplying Ukraine with everything it needs and wants and then some when Ukraine’s ordinary people finally realise there will be no end to fighting Russia

    What makes you think this war would be any less bloody without US arms?

    The Ukrainians were able to kick the Russians out of Kiev before HIMARs had been shipped. They have a million man army and have been training for years in preparation of a Russian invasion.

    The Ukrainians don’t want to live under a dictator. Why is that so hard to understand? Would you want to live under a dictator where posting at a website like this one can make you disappear? Where they can just take your relative in the night and you have absolutely no rights or recourse? Everyone saw what happened with Crimea which is where they had one fake election and that was it. You’re now a puppet state for Moscow.

    If the Russians had taken Kiev it would have turned into Vietnam. The Ukrainians aren’t going to just roll over and let the Russian flag be raised over their country. Ukrainians are tough people and will engage in nasty partisan warfare. The toughest part of Red Army were by far the Ukrainian divisions. In fact Hitler would have easily won if he turned Ukraine against Moscow.

    The Ukrainians never wanted to part of Imperial Russia, the USSR or Putin’s dictatorship.

    They want to be free and I guess have to smash the brains of 21 year old Russians for you and Putin to get that. 21 year olds that also think this war is f-cking stupid.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  154. @Sean

    “…. as opposed to the fast track pre acceptance without actually membership of Georgia and Ukraine in 2008. Georgia was promptly subjected to a full scale Russian army invasion”.

    It’s worth remembering the 2008 war in Georgia was started by Georgia itself. Even the current head of the CIA, William Burns acknowledged this in a back-handed way. He said Putin used his judo tactics to force his opponent into making an error.

  155. AP says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Still, a lot of impressive militaries have tried to defeat Russia over the centuries. There’s always a first time, but the historical precedents aren’t too good.

    Most Westerners understandably aren’t aware of the actual historical precedents here.

    The “centuries” of Russian military victories mostly involved a Russia that included Ukrainians. Ukrainians were something like 30% of the victorious World War II Soviet Army. You think the Soviets would have won that war with 30% fewer troops?

    We are now dealing with a Russia that does not include Ukraine. A Russia that is fighting against Ukraine.

    Russia did not fully include Ukraine in 1920 (it briefly lost it in 1917 and hadn’t integrated it back yet). Poland, alongside some Ukrainian allies, defeated this Russia.

    Russia did not include Ukraine prior to 1654. This Russia was defeated in several wars by Poland-Lithuania, which included Ukraine. When the Poles placed one of their own on the Russian throne in Moscow, Ukrainian troops occupied Moscow’s suburbs. Russia would regain its throne back, but would be kept off Ukrainian and Polish lands.

    In 1648 there was a civil war within Poland-Lithuania; Ukraine left, and joined Russia in 1654. This changed the balance of power in that part of the world immensely.

    But those times ended. It’s understandable why Russia wants Ukraine back, but Ukrainians have other ideas.

    We are returning to a world in which Russia is without Ukraine while Ukraine integrates with Poland and Lithuania. Russia is still fairly large and powerful, but it is not the juggernaut of the 19th and 20th centuries. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is a lot more like the old Muscovite-Polish wars of the 17th century than like the Soviet steamrolling into Germany, or Hungary or Czechoslovakia.

    Incidentally, we just passed the anniversary of the massive battle of Orsha, in which Polish, Ruthenian (old name for Ukrainians), and Lithuanian troops led by a Ruthenian (Ukrainian) general Konstantin Ostrogsky defeated the Muscovites (Russians):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orsha

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  156. Jack D says:
    @HA

    The Putinists saw Russia (even the US) as a place that is invested with agency but Ukrainians were like NPCs. They were people who had stuff DONE to them, they did not do stuff themselves. Therefore, if Russia needed a sphere of influence or a buffer between itself and the West, then Ukrainians had no say in the matter. They were just pawns on the chessboard to be pushed one way or the other by the real chess masters. Pawns do not move themselves.

    The idea that Ukraine could take on the Russians themselves was unthinkable – even now they are imagining (in this very thread) that there are really NATO troops doing this because how is it possible that a bunch of peasants with a clown leader could be conducting an offensive? Or, maybe OK, they have a handful of elite troops and maybe Moscow made a mistake and left part of the front guarded by DPR guys, who are themselves Ukrainians after all. It’s like Americans imagining that Mexico could beat the US Army – it’s just unthinkable so when it actually happens you look for other explanations.

    • Agree: HA
  157. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Putinism has no real ideology other than greed (forget the nationalism – that’s kayfabe for the rubes).

    If that were true, Putin wouldn’t have tried to liberate the Ukraine. He would have been content just to sit tight and enjoy his wealth and power.

  158. Dutch Boy says:
    @JR Ewing

    Oremus! It’s the only sensible way to deal with this mess.

  159. HA says:
    @Sean

    “Russia tried to join Nato,…”

    All right, then. Joining NATO is therefore no biggie — even Russia was able to try and join up, and no one invaded them. So let’s stop pretending that’s something worth rolling tanks into a neighboring country over, especially one that Russia promised not to invade. Especially since Nuland showed that with only a basket of pastries, you can get the Ukrainians to snap into line. Oh, don’t anyone dare get between a Ukrainian and his pastries — you’re bound to lose a finger or two.

    “The question then become could the war have been avoided by Ukraine.”

    By UKRAINE, you say? No, that question should be posed to the man who actually instigated this war. As noted, Nuland had already demonstrated that war was completely unnecessary in getting Ukraine to turn in her direction. NATO managed to get Sweden and Finland to join up without rolling a single tank into either country. So, get it through your head, Sean. The problem here is not with Zelensky, not with Poroshenko, and not with whoever else you want to fixate on so as to play you “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” flim-flam regarding the one who is really pulling the strings here. The problem, when it comes to starting wars, is with Putin. The sooner you and the fanboys realize that, the better off Russia will be. Take your own advice, Sean, before it’s too late.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  160. Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.

    Good wrap Steve.

    Wars often do that effect–solidify a growing sense of nationalism. The American War of Independence being an obvious example. Before the war a mixed bag. After the war–America. Some other wars of independence are similar. But even debacles like Gallipoli have supposedly had similar effects–a sense of nationhood. (So I’ve heard, Aussies can comment.)

    Seems to me Ukrainians already had a pretty clear notion of themselves as a nation. But Putin’s War has certainly burnt that in.

    I have no idea how much of the Ukraine Putin is intent on taking/keeping. But it seems quite likely–because the Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainian farmers who can’t pack up their livelihood and move–that he’s going to annex a fair number of people who are now Russia hostile. And in whatever piece of Ukraine he leaves independent–if any–Putin will have cemented in an intense anti-Russian hatred that will last at least a generation or more.

    If you want to cultivate “good neighbors” war generally isn’t the best policy.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @JimB
    , @Jack D
  161. @John Johnson

    I hope you’re not an American presuming to lecture about election fraud. The lack of self-awareness is strong in this one.

    Also, your apparent notion that “the ukraine” and russia are entirely separate or distinct peoples is entirely wrong genetically, linguistically, culturally, religiously — with the partial exception of the far-western oblasty of the ukraine.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  162. @AnotherDad

    Too bad the rulers of “the ukraine” didn’t apply that principle when they were bombing, killing, and terrorizing the most heavily Russian-speaking ethnic-Russian areas** for at least 8 years, as well as banning people using their centuries-long traditional family language — RUSSIAN — on TV, radio, learning it in school, etc. Also should have thought about that before inviting in US “advisors” (and perhaps Polish troops) and US missiles and equipment; trying to join an aggressive “NATO”; threatening to get nuke weapons; and, best of all, biowarfare laboratories throughout the ukraine.

    Russia is in the right this time, and it doesn’t seem like a close call.

    ** I call the Donbass and neighboring regions “the most heavily Russian-speaking” because the large majority of people in the majority of oblasty in the ukraine speak Russian as a native language, many of them using Russian more often than Ukrainian in public and at home. So the Donbass region is not “the” heavily linguistically and culturally Russian region: most of the ukraine fits that description to varying degrees, except for the western oblasty that Poland would love to have. And which Russia may let them have, in the end.

    • Replies: @HA
  163. Anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    “Refresh you memory on what “Ukraine” had and had going for it in 2008.”

    Absolutely amazing verbal jiu-jitsu and shifting of the goalposts, Sean. The fact that Ukraine has lost 10-20% of its territory is the same thing as it ceasing to exist. Hell if a country going down in flames in terms of international prestige counts we could say that Russia has ceased to exist since 2022!

    • Replies: @Sean
  164. Esso says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Who are pro-Russian backers? In my opinion, there are three types:

    There are also people who have received psychological treatment, to various degrees of effect from simple buying into the propaganda to total recruitment. I’m not trained or mentally equipped to understand the techniques involved, but some things just can’t be explained with money or the reasons you put forward.

    Blood has a lot to do with it I think. In Germany there must be hundreds if not thousands of people who have learned the truth* of their sire from these guys. Some of them must have been extremely useful.

    (*): up to the coarse accuracy of nationality

  165. JimB says:
    @Ken52

    If you’re advancing like a hot knife through butter surprisingly meeting minimal resistance from an adversary that has historically been attritionally crushing you through overwhelming ordnance..

    I would be a little nervous.

    The amoeba will eventually close its maw and begin digesting.

  166. martin_2 says:
    @Anonymous

    China’s population is growing? With the one child policy many families have only one son, and they won’t want their only child to risk getting killed in a war.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  167. @Buzz Mohawk

    For a guy who claims to be anti-war, Steve sure expresses a lot of interest in tactics and strategy.

    No contradiction.

    War–along with sex–are the most important contingent activities that humans undertake.

    If you’re interested in the human condition, interest in war is just part of that. I’ve read a fair amount about the War–and the European/German politics leading up to it. And some on the American Civil War/War Between the States and Revolutionary War. And some bits on lots of other wars. And aspects of strategy and tactics, that help dictate success and failure.

    My conclusion: War is generally a bad idea.

    Self-determination. Essentially “one peopleish” nations with defined borders that respect other peoples’ nationalisms and their borders–a much better path.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  168. JimB says:
    @AnotherDad

    Seems to me Ukrainians already had a pretty clear notion of themselves as a nation. But Putin’s War has certainly burnt that in.

    Indeed, the two distinct ethnic groups comprising the population each want their own Ukraine. No way the country remains intact. That train has sailed.

  169. @Yngvar

    “a bloke down at the pub told me that Ukrainian recruits are being trained all over Europe”

    The Spanish are going to train them in batches of 500, not quite the UK’s level.

    Hope they don’t have this lot training them – the Spanish Foreign Legion with a cheerful ditty, “El Novio de la Muerte” – The Bridegroom Of Death, recorded at Easter 2016.

    (AnotherDad – a “one peopleish” Ukraine would not include the Donbass)

  170. Jack D says:
    @HA

    The Rushists like to play this “Russia had no choice” game. WTF does that mean? Putin was hearing voices from Orthodox Jesus commanding him to attack Ukraine? Of course he had a choice.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @HA
  171. Esso says:
    @Jack D

    Putin could have used the oil money to modernize his economy and prepare for the post carbon fuel era.

    I think you know that this is would actually have been very hard, perhaps impossible. Putin seems to have had aspirations in this direction, but some foundations of a modern economy, that we take for granted, just aren’t there. There’s also the issue of “extractiveness” of the resource driven economy. Most expedient thing to do would be to accept the things you can’t change and see yourself as the torchbearer of Peter the Great’s long work.

    No one wants to invade Russia.

    I know some counterexamples. And then there are the resources.

  172. @R.G. Camara

    “lol. Shut up, gammatard. “

    It’s informative comments like these that keep me coming back to iSteve.

  173. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Whatever. If you aren’t into the carbon thing, he could have used the \$ to buy everyone in Russia a toilet. Build chip fabs. Anything but a bunch of stuff for killing people, most of which has gotten a lot of his own people killed too. Young people of whom Russia does not have a lot to spare.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Johann Ricke
  174. Ukies are moving their troops farther away from their rear support, artillery support and resupply, as the Russians fall back to bring the enemy closer to Russian fires.

    Combat tactics. It’s a trap.

    Russian Lives Matter.

    Russian gas matters more.

    Meanwhile back in Euro land, it is against the law to heat your home or take a hot shower.

    All for a bunch of Ukrainians who are unwilling to be a diverse, inclusive nation.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  175. @Jack D

    “…-this is some kind of crazy paranoid Russian fantasy.”

    In the Cold War Soviet apologists (leftists in the USA in particular) used this trope constantly–“Russia has been invaded many times. Russia has been invaded far more often than she has invaded others.”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  176. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Russia occupied Poland for 150 yrs and it didn’t quench Polish nationalism. Even if (as is appearing increasingly doubtful) Russia wins this round, they have only bought themselves a permanent headache.

  177. @David In TN

    But is it true? The Soviets followed the invading Germans back to Berlin and the invading French back to Paris. That’s worth keeping in mind.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  178. Anne Lid says:
    @John Johnson

    Nicholas II is a saint. Had he listened to Rasputin and stayed out of the war… history would have turned out different. Perhaps Putin will be a saint, too. Where will you be in eternity?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  179. @John Johnson

    He also could have used that oil money to invest in family-oriented policies to reverse their population decline. Or simply remove taxes on families. Russia is the world’s largest country and has had negative population growth since 1994. Population growth has been disproportionately Muslim.

    What a shame that brave men on both sides have to die for his pathetic ego. Another dysgenic European war where the dictator believes so much in the war that he stays well away from the frontlines.

    I have no knowledge–nor interest–in the size of Putin’s mansions or penis.

    But otherwise yeah. A real leader focuses like a laser beam on the long term future of their nation–“affordable family formation”, fertility, productive development/employment. The US Constitution preamble with the “to ourselves and our posterity” points right at the key goal of proper “government of the people” should carry.

    And yeah, the situation in Russia is not “winning”. (Hard to predict whether Britain or Russia gets its Caliphate first.) And Putin’s War is a repulsive waste of not just money, but much more importantly the lives of a lot of Russian and Ukrainian young men.

    Of course, the Western leaders haven’t covered themselves in glory here. Working toward a reasonable settlement of the security + population issues would have been in the West’s interest as well. (Crimea to Russia, the Donbass to Ukraine–seems the obvious and pack up a couple million people’s belongings in moving vans could have sorted it.)

    But the big fault here in Putin’s Czar wannabe routine that reeks of 1914 style imperialist stupidity.

    Of course, again that pales compared to the absolute treason of Western leaders submitting their people to immivasion.

    It seems the white man’s world is just bereft is remotely decent, competent leadership–focusing on their nation’s future–these days.

  180. @John Johnson

    The Ukrainians live under the same crap leadership that the West lives under.

    Anything goes for a billion dollars in the bankers and their buddies pockets.

    Nuland said “Fuck the EU”, and the EU is now definitely getting screwed as Winter comes and Russian gas has been turned off.

    Ukrainian supremacists had been shelling and killing ethnic Russians in Donbas for some time before the SMO was launched. The Woke World didn’t care about them.

  181. prosa123 says:
    @SFG

    If they try to draft women they will annoy the USA, as both Christian conservatives who believe in chivalry and feminists who think nothing bad should ever happen to women will get angry.

    Not to mention lunatics like Another Dad who think that infantilizing women will get them to drop their panties. What a useless loser.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  182. @Anonymous

    China’s population is growing

    No.

  183. As an observer with a distinct bias towards white European people, and their freedom and security, as best secured by sovereign nation states, I could not be happier with Ukraine’s success.

    How is this a difficult position for so many people here to understand?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Anne Lid
  184. Daniel H says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes, and any European white Christian conservative is insane to take Russia’s side against Poland. It is a complete betrayal of our European ancestors to side with the Asiatics in this war.

    Within 10 years Poland will be more GloboHomo than Ireland. Poland is dead to me.

  185. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @martin_2

    China’s population is growing? With the one child policy many families have only one son, and they won’t want their only child to risk getting killed in a war.

    Yes it has been growing. And they recently announced an end to the one-child policy, perhaps having appreciated the potential for lebensraum in North America, Russia, and even Africa.

    • Replies: @Anon
  186. @SunBakedSuburb

    Centralization breeds tyrants. All power will be localized.

    If you followed this logic, you would detest Russia, which is one of the most centralized countries on the planet. All revenue is collected by and dispersed from the center. Every police man answers directly to Moscow. Even the mayor of a small Siberian town has a budget dictated by bureaucrats in Moscow. Even the churches are controlled from Moscow. No real free American could live under those conditions.

  187. @Triteleia Laxa

    Do you really want an answer?

    I’d begin my answer by pointing out Ukraine was not a nation-state. Instead it was a multiethnic and multilingual country with a deeply dysfunctional political culture and lots of foreign mischief makers trying to use it as a pawn on their “grand chessboard”.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
  188. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    It’s too soon to say, but probably the Russians are not coming back just like they did not come back to Kyiv

    Agree they are not coming back unless there is a full mobilisation, then to take Kiev might be feasible with such a national calling out of the reserves. Or the Russians could stage a fanfaronade build up in Belarus be way of trying the same trick as has been played on them. A Russian reaction that Ukraine will find unpleasant is going to result from this offensive. I would not be surprised if the dismissals of generals by Zelensky in the past month was because they did not want to mount this offensive out of concern such a move might precipitate Russia into drawing on its full strength. The Russian generals will likely use it to point out they need more troops (in the Vietnam war General Harold K Johnson the army’s premier tactician always regretted not demanding a full national mobilsation to fight to win or or withdrawal from LBJ). We don’t know what Russia can do with a balanced force; most military experts said from the begining they had gone in with too frew troops and their battalion tactical groups formation were topheavy with artillery.

    But the boys in the Kremlin know what is what and are not going to want to go down with the ship for Vlad’s sake

    Tsar Alexander I of Russia could not have agreed to Napoleon’s terms of joining the French sphere of influence and survived, he would have been deposed.

    That being said, there are only so many defeats and losses of face that a dictator can stand before the people around him decide to get rid of him.

    While it is true that Putin cannot afford any more military debacles like the advance on Kiev, the National Endowment for Democracy head Gershman said in an op-ed in the Washington Post none years ago that bringing Ukraine into the Western camp would result in Putin being deposed. So Putin had to do something, and this was it.

    Putinism has no real ideology other than greed (forget the nationalism – that’s kayfabe for the rubes).

    A quarter of Russians do not have an inside toilet. That’s a lot of rubes.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  189. Steve, have a suggestion:

    Put up a “war result prediction thread”. Let all the geniuses who understand what’s going on, put up their predictions. (We could even do a betting pool.)

    I haven’t paid that much attention to all the blow-by-blow–apparently much less than all the people here. I’m just not very interested. (I’m not Ukranian or Russian–I’m an American and care a heck of a lot more about Biden’s immivasion enabling policy on our border. That is really degrading my kids’ future–in real time.)

    I also know that I have not got a clue what Putin’s own goals and concept of “victory” looks like. Nor what resources–lives and money–he’s willing to spend. And perhaps more importantly how much that squares up with what the Russian deep state thinks and is willing to support. I’m pretty sure, that despite all his “the Nazis are coming!, the Nazis are coming!” rhetoric, Putin does not want to use nukes as that would be on territory he considers part of “Great Russia”. (And also suspect that might well precipitate a coup.) But how much blood and treasure he’s willing to spend to grind down the Ukrainians to what extent? No idea.

    But I strongly suspect other commenters really don’t have any good idea on any of these questions either.

    So, let’s have everyone slap their BSDs on the table and–down the road–we’ll find out which know-it-alls actually knew–or guessed–anything.

  190. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Another reason why this is a bad idea for the US. Our neocons want a neatly delineated proxy way. That they fight against Russia with Ukrainian ground troops.

    The neocons don’t mind that young Ukrainian men are getting chewed up in this. In jewish folklore, the Ukrainians were worse than the Germans. This conflict presents an opportunity to knock off two ethnic groups toward whom jews have historically harbored malice.

  191. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    China’s population is shrinking.

    Nope. It’s as high as it’s ever been.

  192. @Bardon Kaldian

    Genghis himself conquered the barbarian Jurchen Jin dynasty in northern China, before expiring in 1227. Batu conquered Kievan Rus in 1240.

    Kublai finished off the Han Chinese Song Dynasty in 1279. But that was playing 5D chess and backfiring– the Song had previously cut a secret deal with the Mongols against the Jurchens:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_the_Jin_dynasty#Mongol-Song_alliance

    Same thing later on, when Russia invaded Manchuria in 1900, China cut a secret deal with Japan to expel the Russians, backfiring again later.

    And for Europeans, no problem cutting deals with “Asiatics” when the common foe were Mohammedans,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine-Mongol_Alliance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Mongol_alliance

  193. @Altai

    I agree with your take.
    There are two consecutive pieces on the Duran, one discussing this topic, the other the German Economy.
    Second one first:
    https://theduran.locals.com/post/2716179/habeck-captains-germany-towards-economic-disaster-no-chance-of-turning-back

    Habeck captains Germany towards economic disaster, no chance of turning back

    We will witness the De-industrialization of Germany.

    There will be riots.

    Across the West Governments are preparing to crush the enemy within. That includes me and you, Biden was serious.

    The First
    https://theduran.locals.com/post/2712553/kharkov-palmyra-and-constraints-of-a-special-military-operation

    They look at the Kharkov initiative, a clear fuck-up for Russia.
    The Alex’s point out the parallel with the Maiden Coup that the Neocons timed to occur then the Russians were focused on ensuring the success of the Sochi Olympics, this time it was the Vladivostock Conference that caused them to take their eye off the ball.
    This is a disaster. Putin’s limited, softly softly approach has been increasingly criticized in Russia and while Putin’s clearly won the Big Game: there’s a clear bifurcation globally with more and more moving into the multi-polar International Law based future than the Hegemonic “Rules Based System”. Witness Saudi and India and his successful conference. He has clearly established that Russia has been honoring its contracts and that the West’s Woes are the direct result of their own actions in furtherance of the WEF/Greenies fantasies, the West’s torrent of lies, with people like Sailer getting their news from the Kagan family has encouraged the illusion that the end is in doubt.
    The Russian reaction will have to be harsh and will probably be the phase change from a Limited Military Operation to War. Putin faces considerable opposition from the nationalist hard-liners and the result will be a tragedy for the people of Ukraine, its infrastructure and to a lesser degree the Russians.

    The Neocons only understand force.

  194. Anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Last 4 words are the most cringe I’ve yet seen on this blog and I’ve been reading since 9/11 blogspot original domain name.

  195. Anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re kidding yourself. China’s population has been shrinking badly and tbey don’t see lebensbraum anywhere. Nor would they need it with an unofficial fertility rate of 1.2.

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/chinese-population-smaller-than-stated-and-shrinking-fast-by-yi-fuxian-2022-07

  196. Sean says:
    @John Johnson

    Putin probably has the smallest penis in all of Russia.

    I agree that Putin would be more likely have Vlad the Impaler the historical figure as personal hero than Vlad the Impaler the Russian porn star. But Putin is just doing his job, it’s nothing personal.

  197. Fredrik says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Are you familiar with Russian demographics? It appears as if you’re not. Russia is a multicultural place. Far more than Ukraine.

    There are millions of Russian muslims and Putin is friendly to them. If you want to see Russian nationalists who are pro-white it would be people like Navalny.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  198. @Jack D

    Can you imagine what our government here in the United States could use certain monies of ours for? I know you can, and that is why I know you know you are wrong.

    From here in exurban Connecticut, I salute you there in your apparently suburban Phili. You make many good points here on the internet. Thank you for the opportunity for good argument.

  199. @Anonymous

    China’s population likely peaked a few years ago and is likely startingto fall very slightly now. Even if I’m off by a yearor two, it will definitely start declining very soon.

    You only need to look at their numbers to know this. Not hard.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @BB753
  200. @AnotherDad

    Thanks, Dad. Yes, it would be great if everyone could have his own country, but somehow I think people would still find reasons to eventually fight wars against each other.

    You know, war has to be — absolutely has to be — an activity that homo sapiens naturally and periodically engages in. A giant zoologist observing from on high would see this.

  201. Alden says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Ridley Scott better give Phoenix a complete neck and face lift. Plus hours in the make up chair every day of shooting. Phoenix is almost as old as Napoleon was when he died.

    Napoleon was only about 25 when he started his climb. Most Napoleon movies spend about 1/3 of the time on events before he turned 30. Conquered N and Central Italy before he was 30. First consul aka supreme dictator at 30 not 47

    I’d like to see a Napoleon movie that focuses on his and his family’s looting of Europe.

  202. @Fredrik

    Of course I know that. The question was whether Ukraine is a nation-state, not whether the Russian Federation is one. I never said it is.

  203. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve:

    Feel free to prove me wrong by posting in the comments the entire transcript of Mr. Putin’s two-hour speech about why Ukraine isn’t really a real country.

    Were the inland White part of California to break away from coastal nonwhite California, would it be a real country?

    ps I’ve noticed you display real anger in your posts about Zelenskyy’s Piano Penis War; an anger and passion I don’t see from you when the topic is the mass invasion of tens of millions of nonwhites into historically White America. Oh sure, you might make some glib comment about that invasion, but you seem to save your real ire for the borders of a faraway land which, in truth, is ethnically riven and probably should be divided into two countries (plus a concentration camp for all the oligarhs and their US politician clients).

  204. SafeNow says:

    This subject calls to mind the clever “feint” movies involving WWII. An example is “Eye of the Needle” (Donald Sutherland), involving the plywood fake airfield constructed at Pas de Calais. Such a movie would be impossible today if it involved contemporary events. A cousin of this war-feint “impossible today” theme: movies in which a crucial plot point depends upon the fact that cell phones did not exist. (Of course, I would be quite happy if, today, smartphones did not exist. Here is where someone replies “Die already, boomer.”)

  205. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    So, let’s have everyone slap their BSDs on the table and–down the road–we’ll find out which know-it-alls actually knew–or guessed–anything.

    The outcome depends upon the nature and degree of backing from the United States to the Zelensky regime. Therefore, our interest in this subject isn’t so much about making predictions as it is about determining which side we should support.

    The question is, are we (and the Ukrainians) better off with the Ukraine under the control of the Globalist American Empire or with it in the sphere of an independent Russia. Are we better off with Ed Snowden in the hands of the GAE, or under the protection of Russia?

    Steve is rooting on the side of the same forces that are behind mass immigration into the United States and Europe, the transfer of US manufacturing to China, and America’s destructive posture, including wars, toward the Middle East. Steve is extremely perceptive when it comes to things past and present. It is unclear whether he has the vision thing.

    You can say one thing: with the exception of Steve, Russia sure has all the right enemies.

  206. @Greta Handel

    My comment #46 was Whimmed for > 10 hours.

  207. @AnotherDad

    Well, I can admit that I was wrong. I thought that after a rough start, the Russians found their footing and were going to grind the Ukrainians down until they collapsed.

    That appears incorrect.

    As to what happens next, no clue.

    Btw, think Steve will ever admit being wrong about Covid? That’s another good bet.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  208. Moses says:

    I don’t care about Ukraine any more than I care about Burkina Faso.

    In other words, I don’t care at all. Ukraine and all Eastern Europe were behind iron curtain for 50 years, Americans were fine.

    Oh and btw, NATO obsolete and increases risk to American security. Should be disbanded.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, Mark G.
  209. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “The Rushists like to play this ‘Russia had no choice’ game.”

    They literally do:

    Kremlin’s top propagandists [are now pretending] that Russia begged for the West not to start this war (which Russia started after every Western leader urged Putin not to invade Ukraine).

    Meanwhile, Sean still thinks that Ukrainians are wringing their hands as to which of Putin’s promises might have avoided the war if only they had been believed or if the US hadn’t “torpedoed” them. Yeah, sure, Sean. That would have fixed everything. Putin would not have seen that as an excuse to demand even more.

    For people like that, it’s always “why didn’t Ukraine do more to avoid the war?” or “why didn’t NATO do more to avoid this?” or “why didn’t the US do more?”. The one party they can’t bother asking why more couldn’t have been done to avoid the war is the one guy who actually started it, and could end it tomorrow.

    At this point, it’s the logic of the sadistic boyfriend: “You know, this is really your fault — if you wouldn’t mouth off so much, I wouldn’t have to keep busting your lip.”

  210. @HA

    There’s another party involved, but as one of them, you like to keep their influence quiet.

    The days of you guys getting to operate from the shadows is coming to a close.

  211. HA says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “Too bad the rulers of “the ukraine” didn’t apply that principle when they were bombing, killing, and terrorizing the most heavily Russian-speaking ethnic-Russian areas** for at least 8 years, as well as banning people using their centuries-long traditional family language…”

    Oh, get over it. And let me guess — they made them walk to school barefoot in the snow, and uphill both ways, am I right? No, that’s not how it was. Find a narrative that actually holds up.

    the OSCE observed the situation in Donbass over the course of several months. They found that 90% of the violations were coming from the non-government-controlled areas. I.e. the Russian stooges.

    Then there’s this:

    When Putin manufactured the Donbass War he presented it as an Ukrainian inner conflict. Many in Russia bought it. Many in the West bought it. Many idiots even now talk about “Ukraine shelling civilians of Donbass for eight years”. Bad Ukrainians being bad, that [was what] caused the war.

    Nobody in Ukraine bought it. Russians and Westerners considered the Donbass catastrophe as a Ukrainian problem. In Ukraine however, it was seen as a Russian problem. Donbass was simply a part of Ukraine which fell under Russian rule and its nightmare was purely Russian-made

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  212. @SaneClownPosse

    https://larouchepub.com/pr/2022/20220813_marine_analysis.html

    Marine Corps Analysis Calls Russia’s Military Operation in Ukraine ‘Revolutionary Warfare’

    Aug. 13, 2022 (EIRNS)—Despite the lying narrative that comes out of the bowels of the Pentagon, there is, in fact, competent military analysis of the Russian special military operation (SMO) in Ukraine by the U.S. military in at least one location, the U.S. Marine Corps. An article appears in the August 2022 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette, the service’s professional journal, which calls the Russian operation “revolutionary warfare.” In doing so, the author puts the lie to the claims from Kiev, Brussels and Washington that Vladimir Putin is trying to conquer all of Ukraine and that the Russians are losing in the Donbass.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
  213. @Peter Akuleyev

    Peter Akuleyev wrote to me:

    I’m not. At this point I think the smart, but cynical, move would be for Ukraine to let those economic disaster areas [the Donbass] join Russia.

    Fine. Then let’s do it. Of course, the Donbass is (or was) the richest area of Ukraine, which is probably why the puppet regime in Kiev invaded it and denied it self-determination.

    The other problem of course being that the Ruling Class in the US is egging Zelensky on in the hope of weakening Russia (doesn’t seem to be working, does it?) and may not be willing to allow Kiev to make its own decisions. Puppets must obey the puppet master.

    Peter also wrote:

    Putin wants to control Kiev, Kharkiv, Mariupol and Odessa, not an aging depopulated rust belt that needs economic subsidies.

    The Nazis (“Azov Battalion”) are not going to end up controlling Mariupol. Let’s have plebiscites in Kharkov and Odessa.

    Now that you’re with me on self-determination of peoples.

    The West can end these horrors simply by telling the puppet regime in Kiev that we are pulling the plug.

    Or people can keep dying.

    And, incidentally, a lot of western Europeans can be very cold and very hungry this winter.

    The killing must stop
    .

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  214. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Thankfully we in the West don’t have this problem. New Brits, Canadians, Americans and Swedes are being born right now in places like Somalia and Guatemala. Billions of heirs to Charlemagne and Shakespeare are just a plane ride away.

  215. @Cagey Beast

    In the Cold War Soviet apologists (leftists in the USA in particular) used this trope constantly–“Russia has been invaded many times. Russia has been invaded far more often than she has invaded others.”

    But is it true? The Soviets followed the invading Germans back to Berlin and the invading French back to Paris. That’s worth keeping in mind.

    No, it’s obviously not true. It was/is obviously stupid nonsense, then and now.

    Just in Putin’s life Russia has invaded Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. The US has done even more 4 biggies and a handful of quickies. Plus lots of proxy meddling–as have the Soviets/Russians.

    Like the US, Russia has nukes out the wazoo. And like the US, Russia is ridiculously secure by any historical standard. (The other guy can blow you up with his nukes, but no one can actually just “invade”.)

    All the “they had to protect themselves” stuff is the most ridiculous b.s. imaginable. That there are commenters here who parrot it is just embarrassing.

  216. @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to Sailer:

    Put up a “war result prediction thread”. Let all the geniuses who understand what’s going on, put up their predictions. (We could even do a betting pool.)

    This is not a game of fantasy football.

    We have the recording of Victoria Nuland plotting in detail the coup that overthrew the legal government of Ukraine and imposed the illegal puppet regime that proceeded to invade the Donbass.

    We have, on the public record, going back years, American proconsuls urging Ukraine to join NATO — the slut Kamala Harris did so a few days before Putin moved in.

    Those facts are not in dispute.

    People are dying in large numbers because of the evil women and men who have controlled the United States.

    To turn this into a prediction game as to whether this will end in nuclear war or merely a bunch of Western Europeans freezing to death this winter would be macabre.

    You need to face up to how hellishly evil the regime that you live under is.

    The American regime should not be allowed to survive.

    The killing must stop.

  217. @AnotherDad

    Because Russia has nukes, the US and its allies have been using slow but steady techniques to get Ukraine into their camp, even if most Ukrainians preferred neutrality. The US and EU apparently found that intolerable.

    Hungary and Czechoslovakia were already in the Soviet bloc and the regime in Afghanistan was an ally.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  218. @HA

    HA wrote to RadicalCenter:

    ]RC]“Too bad the rulers of “the ukraine” didn’t apply that principle when they were bombing, killing, and terrorizing the most heavily Russian-speaking ethnic-Russian areas** for at least 8 years, as well as banning people using their centuries-long traditional family language…”

    [HA] Oh, get over it.

    No, HA, we are not going to get over it.

    We intend to hold thugs like you and your masters in Kiev and DC responsible for crimes against humanity.

    You know better than anyone that what RC wrote is true.

    And the world does not intend to “get over it.”

    Looking back at your comments, you are obviously Kievan Hasbara.

    Why don’t you come clean? Tell us who you are, what your background is, where you are writing from.

    And, most important, how much you are being paid.

    But you won’t — because your masters won’t let you.

    Right, my Hasbara friend?

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @HA
  219. @PhysicistDave

    Let’s have plebiscites in Kharkov and Odessa.

    There’s little reason to suspect Putin could win any plebiscite in Ukraine beyond
    — Crimea
    — heavily Russian mostly urban areas in the Donbass; (the rural areas tend to be ethnically Ukrainian). And his invasion might have pissed off a lot of people there. I don’t know. You don’t know either.

    Odessa. LOL. Yeah, they just love Putin there. Do you think it’s 1900 and it’s a Russian city?


    The West can end these horrors simply by telling the puppet regime in Kiev that we are pulling the plug.

    This is Putin’s War. He can end it at any time by just ending it. Pull the Russian army out. Or even, just announce that he’s inviting the UN in to run plebiscites (including right of refugees to vote) and pulling his army out of anywhere he loses.

    The killing must stop.

    Please PhysDave, just stop. It’s embarrassing. Embarrassing yourself is fine. High IQ believe stupid shit all the time. (See “communism”.) But leave physics out of it. Call yourself PutinDave or VirtueSignallingDave.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  220. @AnotherDad

    Don’t blame the Russians alone for what the Soviets did. Brezhnev was Ukrainian so you can blame them for the Soviets sending troops into Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @HA
  221. @Jack D

    Whatever. If you aren’t into the carbon thing, he could have used the \$ to buy everyone in Russia a toilet. Build chip fabs.

    Chip fabs is too space age. Russia has many more needs. How about an Eisenhower-style national highway system? Maybe open up the country to development so the sparsely-populated interior with plenty of cheap land finally gets a second look as an investment destination. Russia is almost twice the size of Canada. It also has ~4x the population. And yet it has less than 1/10 of Canada’s highway mileage.

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Transport/Road/Motorway-length

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    , @Rob
  222. @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to me:

    [Dave] Let’s have plebiscites in Kharkov and Odessa.

    [AD] There’s little reason to suspect Putin could win any plebiscite in Ukraine beyond
    — Crimea
    — heavily Russian mostly urban areas in the Donbass; (the rural areas tend to be ethnically Ukrainian). And his invasion might have pissed off a lot of people there. I don’t know. You don’t know either.

    Then let’s hold the plebiscites and see.

    What you said boils down to the fact that Putin would probably win in the Donbass, since populations tend to be in the cities.

    But maybe not.

    I have no dog in this fight. Whatever the people want is fine with me.

    AD also wrote to me:

    [Dave]The killing must stop.

    [AD] Please PhysDave, just stop. It’s embarrassing. Embarrassing yourself is fine. High IQ believe stupid shit all the time. (See “communism”.) But leave physics out of it. Call yourself PutinDave or VirtueSignallingDave.

    Then you stop calling yourself a “Dad”!

    As I have said many times, my name is Dave Miller, but there are so many David Millers in the world that I have found “PhysicistDave” to be a more distinctive screen name. And no one thinks that anything I happen to post therefore has the imprimatur of physics, any more than anyone thinks that everything you post has the imprimatur of “Dads”!

    You’re just being silly.

    You are also showing a lamentable inability to face up to the hellish evil of the regime under which you live. I think you are in my generation, perhaps a bit younger, and I know that our generation was extensively propagandized with the lies that the American regime represented the “free world.”

    Even the dominant strain on the American Left bought into that propaganda.

    But it is still lies.

    And people are dying because of it.

    And you cannot face up to it.

    Despicable.

    Putin did not start the killing. The US puppet regime in Kiev, illegally installed at the behest of the evil US regime in 2014, started the killing when the Donbass refused to bend the knee to the puppet regime.

    The killing must stop.

  223. Pixo says:
    @AnotherDad

    I made this prediction on Sept 4, and think it held up pretty well, even though I got the location of the Russian “collapse” and “sudden and disorderly retreat” wrong.

    I predict with a weak 40% confidence level a Russian collapse in the South.

    Here’s my collapse scenario and evidence. And yes I don’t think every single Western and Uke claim is true. But basic facts, especially when they don’t involve claims of atrocities, seem to be pretty accurately reported by Western sources. And even when they had an emotional bias against Russia, the same sources overestimated Russian capabilities.

    1. Weak DNR/LNR conscript units will collapse first. They are Uke natives and can fade into the local population. They are unhappy to be on the front lines and not being paid as promised. There was already a report of such a unit retreating towards Kherson city rather than fight two days ago.

    2. Next to collapse will be the civilian infrastructure Russia has set up with a mix of Russians bribed to move there and local collaborators. Each day they spend more time in safe houses and bases and less time out doing the business of occupation and supporting the front. They get hit more and more by targeted strikes called in by Uke spies. They quietly disappear, go into hiding, or attempt to switch sides. Again, there’s already evidence of this happening with targeted killings and bombings.

    3. The first two points undermine the increasingly isolated and undersupplied Russian and mercenary forces, who otherwise would be able to hold off the Uke offensive. Small Uke gains create fear of encirclement and lead to retreat.

    4. Russia already did one sudden and disorderly retreat from Kiev and Sumy. After six months of disappointment and increasing and grinding Uke attacks, a repeat may end up looking obvious in retrospect.

  224. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    However, I will continue to root for the Russians, not because I have anything against the Ukrainians, but because the Ukrainians are supported by my enemy, the neocons, who, of course, couldn’t care less about the Ukrainians.

    I am rooting for US OUT of Ukraine. The US empire is the real threat to the American people, not Russia. What we really need to know about Russia and Ukraine is that the arch enemies of the American people, the neo-cons, want war in Ukraine and want war with Russia. We need to turn our guns away from Russians and aim them at our own elite.
    At this point the only war I would take sides in is a US civil war.

  225. HA says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “No, HA, we are not going to get over it.”

    Believe what you want, PhysicistDave. Just don’t expect anyone who isn’t a Russian stooge to care. At this point, even a fair number of Russians are starting to see that the propaganda that their ministry of truth is dispensing them isn’t matching too well with the reality they know. Someday, maybe even you will see that.

    “And the world does not intend to ‘get over it.’”

    The “world”, you say? You honestly think that China and India and all the other people rooting for team Putin care in the least about Donbass? You really are naïve. And as I’ve noted, PhysicistDave, if we do a scatter plot — you know what those are, right? — of countries where people actually want to live (as measured by, say, relative migration flows) vs. countries where Putin is despised most (and the “14,000 shelled children of Donbass” is seen as the Orwellian fiction that it is), you’ll see a pretty high correlation there. I mean, yay for the DNPR if Sudan and Venezuela are willing to recognize it, I guess, but last I checked, neither of those places is renowned for their good decision-making, so in that sense, their recognition of Putin’s failed little mafia statelets is just another example of how they came to be the way they are.

    “Looking back at your comments, you are obviously Kievan Hasbara.”

    Nope, wrong again. I’ve been saying since the swipe of Crimea that if Putin had managed to come to some kind of similar deal with Ukraine as Russia had managed to do with Belarus, I’d have had to admit that he stole the entire country fair and square (which is why you don’t see me arguing one way or another about how Belarus must be free, though at this point, I gotta admit I wouldn’t mind at all to see them realize it’s time to cut loose from Moscow). In fact, I was asking people like Karlin on this very site why Putin didn’t just keep trying to do that, if Ukraine was so important to him, given how close he had come with Yanukovych and how likely it was that he’d have had plenty more opportunities to do the same. (Karlin was unable or unwilling to give me an answer for that.) Anyway, I seriously doubt a Belarus/Russia mash-up is the kind of thing a member of the Kievan Hasbara (whatever that even means in your twisted fever-dreams) would be up for.

    And what does it matter? If you can’t actually refute my arguments, or convince anyone outside your echo chamber of their merit, come out and admit it. You really think that your failure to do any of that is made less pathetic if you can somehow make me out to be some professional? No, it wouldn’t, though if you want to believe that my NOT being Kievan in any shape or fashion means your inability to refute me is even more of a colossal fail — hey, feel free.

    “The killing must stop.”

    Again, if you believe that, you’d direct your rage at the man who ordered this war to start, and could end it tomorrow. Otherwise, it’s more empty posturing on your part — kind of like your jeremiads against the West, even as you stubbornly refuse to leave.

  226. @John Johnson

    Why don’t you bring up the Minsk Agreement?
    Why don’t you bring up the fact that Putins words didn’t make The Ukraine a country per International Law. He “recognized “? Big frigging deal.
    Why don’t you bring up the FACT, that the UN has been waiting almost Thirty YEARS for Ukraine to file the proper paperwork required to be considered a sovereign, independent country? Just because some penis playing piano kosher comedian stamps his feet declaring “independence”, doesn’t make it so.
    Why don’t you mention that said paperwork requires delineated borders that ALL neighboring countries agree to by signing treaties? Why don’t you mention that Ukraine hasn’t don this because of their decades old border dispute with Poland? Let alone the fact that Russia would never agree to those borders. Talk about “blind followers” who don’t “fact check”.
    Go ahead deny my points.

  227. dimples says:

    I don’t think the heroic charge by the poor conscripted Ukes with the Azov guns at their back in a thinly maintained area is anything but a minor setback for the Russians, except for a few generals who might lose their heads. Even bloggers were aware that an attack was going to take place. Perhaps the Russians have lost a few cannon out of the many thousands available. Obviously the war is being prosecuted slowly so as to, amongst other things, reduce the Eurocretins to their proper state of abject obedience. If it takes a bit longer, all the good.

  228. @kihowi

    My belief is that there are never ever decent sites with good coverage of what is happening in wars where both sides are losing lots and lots of personnel. There are sites that are completely inaccurate, and sites with incomplete accuracy, but no accurate sites. (That being said, there are individuals whose insights are fairly accurate, but their statements are drowned out).

    Some Ukrainians hate the Russians for supporting Putin, who has been Asiatically cruel, but most Russians believe that the Ukrainian government essentially restarted (albeit this time only on a local level) about 10 years ago, the war against Russians that resulted right after the Nazis broke the promises they made in the infamous pact. A war in which the Ukrainians and the Russians lost tens of millions – but the Russians think of it as a war where many Ukrainians were on the other side. That is not the sort of thing that is forgotten within a mere 80 years. Whether the Russians are right to look at it this way or not, that is how many of them look at it.

    Russians are not planning to be defeated. The Ukrainians – right now they have the same chances of winning that the Confederacy had before Gettysburg. Except you need to add in the fact that most Confederate soldiers came from families with several sons, usually at least three, and most of the Ukrainians who are dying in this needless war are only sons, or, at best, from families with at most two sons. The Ukrainians have control over how many Russians they try to kill at a ratio of two or three dead Ukrainians to one dead Russian (and not that this matters to the war-monger chicken-hawks of Europe and the USA, who are profiting from the arms deals and the Western tax money behind those deals), but they do not have control, absent an unpredictable sequence of events, over whether they will defeat the Russian army. It is not a good situation at all, but … but, absent a widening of the war to other combatant nations, that is the situation.

    And yes, it appears that the Americans – not just the neo-cons, but the straight party-line Democratic party warlords
    and the one-world order types, too – egged on both sides. And it also appears that, so did, amazingly, many of the Germans, who should have known better. A generational mistake – a great crime – of terrifying proportions. I hope someone with the capacity to do so winds this down before this war goes on as long as the Chechen war, but I am not hopeful.

  229. @michael droy

    Russian airforce will dominate completely.

    What Russian air force? They don’t have seem to have much.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  230. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    Agree they are not coming back

    Wait, like 3 hrs ago you said that the Russians were going to counterattack and retake Balakliya in short order (no mention of a full mobilization). What happened to the Russian ability to counterattack in these 3 hrs?

    Or did you vastly overestimate the Russian’s competence like every other Putinist?

    There is not going to be a national mobilization because Putin’s popularity depends on his not killing off the sons of the Russian elites. This is not like the old days when people had 5 or 6 kids or more. They are lucky if they have one son and if Putin puts that son into the meat cannon, that’s the end of their family line. People are not going to go for this. They’ll sing Katyusha from day ’till night but not that.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  231. @Bill Jones

    Aug. 13, 2022 (EIRNS)—Despite the lying narrative that comes out of the bowels of the Pentagon, there is, in fact, competent military analysis of the Russian special military operation (SMO) in Ukraine by the U.S. military in at least one location, the U.S. Marine Corps. An article appears in the August 2022 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette

    Articles in that Gazette may or may not express the thinking of Matine Corps leadership or official doctrine.. That and similar U.S. military magazines publish articles written by individuals, often mid level officers who have contrarian opinions.

    I’d like to see the article. The author may be saying that the Russian military is attempting revolutionary warfare in the Viet Communist manner, but not succeeding.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Bill Jones
  232. @Jack D

    If Russia had disarmed, absolutely nothing would have happened. No one wants to invade Russia.

    No one wants to invade the U.S. So why don’t we disarm and get out of Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  233. AKAHorace says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I think that you are wrong about Covid.

    But thank you for having the honesty to admit that you were wrong about the chances of success of the Russian invasion. This puts you ahead of most commentators on both sides.

    I would note that saying that the Russians are not succeeding is not the same as saying that they are morally wrong. Sometimes the good guys don’t win. Too many people who support either the Ukrainians or the Russians cannot separate the question of whether the Russians/Ukrainians are in the right from whether the Russians/Ukrainians are winning.

    As to what happens next, no clue

    Me neither. Like most people on this thread I do not have the experience or expertise to say. But I at least know that I don’t know and my opinions on military strategy are unlikely to be useful. At best we can ask intelligent questions.

  234. @HA

    kind of like your jeremiads against the West, even as you stubbornly refuse to leave.

    Jeremiah never abandoned his call to reform Israel, either. Meanwhile, what kind of false peace are you prophesying, HAnaniah?

    • Replies: @HA
  235. Mb123 says:

    Eastern Ukraine was never Ukrainian. Those were Russian lands given away by decree. Russia accepted that, but in 2014 ultranationalists won the power by putsch. Immediately, they started persecuting ethnic Russians. They rebelled. There was a peace accord. Never implemented mostly because the US was against it.
    Steve Sailer is ignorant and proud of it. Keeps posting the same nonsense for months. Stick to posting about black crime levels,

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  236. @HA

    The Russians elected to withdraw without any real fight. So a bunch of troops have just moved around. That means nothing unless the Ukies can stop trading losses at their usual 8:1 rate. And the current Ukie losses are all from their best troops and gear. So it’s fun to watch you and Jack D and Pixo and the usual cheerleaders cheer the wrong things. You’ll be cheering the whole time as the Ukranonazis circle the drain.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    , @HA
    , @Pixo
  237. Jack D says:
    @David Davenport

    The Russian air force mostly shoots missiles over the horizon while safely in Russian territory because they are vulnerable to Ukrainian air defenses. One of the reasons why the Russians have failed is that they never gained air superiority.

    The Rushists are completely delusional at this point. They are like Hitler in April of ’45, flying imaginary air forces, sending in divisions of imaginary reserves, mounting imaginary artillery counterattacks and so on. Sure it looks bad at this moment but Russia will be counterattacking any second now! No reason to panic!

    Kharkiv is a complete rout and they haven’t accepted the reality yet. The Putinist milbloggers in Russia are more in tune with reality that the Putinists in the West who have a bigger OODA loop and keep talking about things that are no longer possible. While they are mounting their imaginary counterattack on Balakliya, the Russians have already retreated 100km and are no where near it any more. The milbloggers have their own problems (half of them want to nuke Washington or at the very least have a general mobilization) but at least they understand the actual scope of the rout.

    • Replies: @Pixo
  238. Pixo says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Ukies can stop trading losses at their usual 8:1 rate”

    Correction: the retarded Putinist propaganda stat you meant to parrot is Ukrainians are being killed at a 10:1 ratio.

    Totally believable given how Russia keeps on moving from one brilliant victory to the next!

  239. fish says:
    @Joe Stalin

    People still buy guns and ammunition on credit?

  240. Pixo says:
    @Jack D

    “ The Russian air force mostly shoots missiles over the horizon while safely in Russian territory because they are vulnerable to Ukrainian air defenses.”

    That’s what they were doing for a while. Now Russia is basically out of air to ground missiles, so it is now resorting to blowing through its stockpile of S300 SAMs to attack ground targets.

    Russia’s lack of air superiority 30 miles from their own border is perhaps the most pathetic surprise of many about the sorry state of their military.

  241. HA says:
    @Cagey Beast

    “Don’t blame the Russians alone for what the Soviets did. Brezhnev was Ukrainian so you can blame them for the Soviets sending troops into Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan.”

    Yeah, and Stalin was Georgian. We’ve heard the excuses before. But Ukrainians aren’t trying to revive the Soviet Union. Whereas Russians — and their many stooges — are supporting a Russian tyrant who very much is. That being the case, I’m happy assigning them the lion’s share of the blame.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  242. @HA

    My little Hasbara buddy HA wrote to me:

    And what does it matter? If you can’t actually refute my arguments, or convince anyone outside your echo chamber of their merit, come out and admit it.

    Oh, I have never, ever tried to refute your “arguments,” HA, because you have no arguments.

    Only lies.

    The facts are not in dispute. We have the recording of US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland plotting the 2014 coup in detail. Putin did not start the killing in the Donbass: when the Donbass refused to submit to the illegal puppet regime in Kiev, the puppet regime attacked the Donbass. It is a matter of public record that the US and NATO have been training and supplying the Kiev regime for the last eight years. And shortly before Putin decided to intervene to try to stop the fighting, the slut Kamala Harris openly encouraged Ukraine to join NATO.

    You and the other lapdogs of the US Deep State really do not like it when I keep presenting those facts, but you have not, and you cannot, offer “arguments” against those facts because everyone knows they are true.

    No, little buddy, all you have been able to do is accuse those of us who tell the truth of being lackeys of Putin, even though I have said repeatedly that I doubt that Putin acted in the best interest of the Russian people in coming to the aid of the Donbass republics.

    You have some motive here that you are not revealing, little buddy. Maybe you are one of those Russian expats who has a deep hatred for his home country. Or maybe you are paid by the US Deep State or by Kiev.

    But you will not tell us who you are, where you live, what your current and former nationalities are, or who is paying you.

    No doubt because such confessions would give away the narrative.

    I have made clear what my motives are: I hate war. I hate the US Deep State. I hate the US Deep State’s dragging my country into conflicts half-way around the world. I want to restore the American Republic, which requires abolition of the US Deep State. And I think that any group of people, including those in the Donbass, are entitled to establish a government of their own choosing, if indeed they insist on having a government.

    And most of all, I am in favor of telling the truth, especially the truths that the US Deep State and its lapdogs like you would rather suppress.

    So what are your real motives, HA? Why do you keep lying on behalf of the Kiev regime and the US Deep State? What’s in it for you?

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @AKAHorace
  243. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.

    Did 9/11 (anniversary tomorrow) make the US seem like more of a real country? Was it a real country before then? Is it more of one now? What trajectory is it on?

  244. Let us suppose that the recent Western reports coming out of Ukraine are more or less correct, and that there is a general collapse of the Russian front in Northern Ukraine. (I’m somewhat shocked by this development.) If so, there will likely be a similar collapse on the Southern front, perhaps with Crimea being liberated/threatened by Ukrainian forces. Putin’s regime cannot suffer that sort of military catastrophe, and Putin will be removed, for one reason or another. His successor will either be forced to make peace, to impose a full mobilization, or authorize special military options. Peace is least likely in my mind, and special military options are most likely, which probably means that Russia fully cuts off gas and oil supplies to Europe leading to political crises. However, the hinterlands of Russia (that actually have the oil and gas) will likely see the chaos surrounding Putin’s exit as their chance to escape from Moscow’s domination. USG will assist, because USG will see this as their golden opportunity to destroy Russia once and for all and to relieve pressure on the European allies. Russia will view this as an existential threat, worse than the break-up of the USSR. However, Russia’s military will be revealed as a third rate power, with the only effective deterrent being its nuclear arsenal. We may be entering an extremely dangerous few weeks, on par with the Cuban missile crisis.

  245. HA says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “The Russians elected to withdraw without any real fight.”

    And you think compelling the Russians to withdraw without any real fight so as to “avoid being encircled” somehow makes this a “spectacular failure” for the Ukrainians? On what planet? And you think that makes your “must read” analysis any less pathetic?

    Again, you should maybe take the time to proof whatever lies you’re spouting before urging us to read them. Speaking of which:

    “That means nothing unless the Ukies can stop trading losses at their usual 8:1 rate. And the current Ukie losses are all from their best troops and gear.”

    Did you get that one from BigSergei too? It would explain a lot. And if true (heh), I guess that means the Ukrainians lost another 25 HIMARs in addition to the 50 or 60 the Russians previously claimed to have shot up? Yeah, well, about that…I got bad news for you, ace — just like the Kherson switcheroo your boys fell for, they’ve been played yet again.

  246. Anonymous[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Steve Sailer take any affront to the dictator Zelensky very personally. Although maybe that stems from some anti-Russian hatred?

    You’re right Steve has all these muted metrosexual emotions when it comes to the destruction of his own people. But he becomes very irate with Putin.

    Very interesting indeed.

  247. HA says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “We have the recording of US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland plotting the 2014 coup in detail. “

    We have nothing of the sort, or you would have provided excerpts instead of empty assertions. As I recall, apart from an f-bomb to the EU we have Nuland, after the fact, telling a couple of Ukrainian pols that Yatenyuk, the professional politician, would be a more credible leader than the celebrity fighter with the Hollywood girlfriend. Hey, I could have told them that, too. It’s pretty sensible advice. For that matter, I would have advised against the newbie comedian, but in the end, it wasn’t my choice.

    Anyway, if that’s your idea of “plotting the coup in detail”, you have a bad head for details. Which would explain a lot. So face it, you got nothing. So much for being in favor of telling the truth. I’ll start to believe that, maybe just a little, when you finally head off to Beijing and finally leave the doomed West — that civilization which according to you does not deserve to survive — behind once and for all. But we both know that won’t happen, don’t we?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  248. @Johann Ricke

    “…How about an Eisenhower-style national highway system? ..”

    They might worry that that would make them easier to invade.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  249. Rob says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Given the way things are going, they need to start a program to build more roads and rail to China. Russia will be China’s military umbrella. Why build thousands of nuclear warheads and ICBMs, likely romping the US to overhaul our arsenal? Getting Russia in his pocket is quite a win in the Great Game.

    It might be hard to understand Russia’s motivation to be a minor partner in a totalitarian Eurasian alliance but consider this Russian joke.

    [MORE]

    A Russian peasant finds a lamp in his field while he’s digging for potatoes. He rubs it, and a genie pops out! The genie said, “I will grant you three wishes. The only condition is that whatever you wish for, your neighbor, Ivan, gets twice as much.

    The peasant wishes for a cow. The cow appears, but when he goes back to his hovel, he discovers that Ivan is ecstatic about his two new cows. The peasant wishes for a nicer home. He gets it, but when he goes outside, he sees that Ivan has a new house that’s twice as big.

    The genie says, “you have one wish left. Would you like a fortune? Perhaps for your family to be fruitful and multiply?” “No,” the peasant says. “I wish for you to beat me half to death.”

    Seriously, we really screwed up with Russia after Gorbachev shut down the USSR and Warsaw Pact. He treated Germany better after the war. Why didn’t we try to bring Russia into the West? As in, send people who aren’t economists. If I were Russian, I think I’d hold a grudge about the nineties. Russia might have thrown in with China just to screw us.

    But, maybe Russians will learn something from China? More likely, the Chinese will be the oligarchs. Maybe Chinese entrepreneurs will create some businesses that are independent(ish) of Moscow.

    There’s a book Hammer & Tickle: A History of Communism Told Through Communist Jokes. I have not read it yet, but as the US becomes less free, we may find these jokes funnier in a few years.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @anonymous
  250. AKAHorace says:
    @PhysicistDave

    You have some motive here that you are not revealing, little buddy. Maybe you are one of those Russian expats who has a deep hatred for his home country. Or maybe you are paid by the US Deep State or by Kiev.

    The killing must stop.

    For Christs sake chill out. No one on this thread is posting for money or personal profit. We are a bunch of powerless people who have read different books and have developed different opinions from them. The only useful thing that we can do is have a polite debate that will allow us to understand the ideas of those who disagree with us.

    Yes, the killing should stop, but nothing that anyone posts here will save a single life.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  251. Alden says:
    @Meretricious

    If Steve posted an article about Eliza Fletcher, there would be the usual hundred or so comments blaming the White woman murder victim of black killer for;

    A being outside her home
    B not carrying a gun
    C living in a city
    D living in a state with a black population
    F wearing what a conservative Muslim would consider immodest clothes
    G on foot, jogging or walking

    Then there would be the endless denunciations of her for being a woman and thus a feminazi, hard left democrat and member of the female sex solely responsible for everything that’s gone wrong for the last 60 years.

    And then I’d have to make rude nasty replies to the. White woman hating misogynists and the idiots who blame crime on the victims. Blame them for being outside their homes.

  252. Mr. Anon says:

    Crazy Volodia cuts out the middle-man and brings the savings to you!

    Now for the first time it seems he’ll [Zelensky] go straight to the source, as he’s set to be the keynote speaker, via video link, to a major meeting of American defense contractors later this month. The Hill is confirming that “he headlines the annual Future Force Capabilities Conference and Exhibition hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA)” in Austin, Texas on September 21.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/slava-raytheon-zelensky-headline-conference-us-defense-companies

  253. @anon

    I’ve noticed you display real anger in your posts about Zelenskyy’s Piano Penis War; an anger and passion I don’t see from you when the topic is the mass invasion of tens of millions of nonwhites into historically White America.

    One ponders. He doesn’t seem to identify much with White Americans. But boy, oh boy, he gots tha anger against Russia/Putin!

    Same sudden passion we saw for the stupid Covid lockdown.

  254. anonymous[910] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob

    but consider this Russian joke.

    Do you think that can only apply to Russians?

  255. @HA

    Our little lying Hasbara friend HA wrote to me:

    [Dave] “We have the recording of US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland plotting the 2014 coup in detail. “

    [HA] We have nothing of the sort, or you would have provided excerpts instead of empty assertions.

    You are lying.

    I have provided links, again and again, to the whole recording, not just excerpts. I am getting tired of you and the other lackeys of the Deep State lying about this.

    Again and again and again and again.

    Okay, liar: once again I will post a link that I have in fact posted before and, contrary to your current lies, that I have quoted excerpts from before: here is a transcript of the intercepted call and, assuming you are not very good at reading a transcript, here is the sound recording.

    I urge everyone to listen to the recording: this is not just someone guessing what will happen: this is someone who thinks she can manipulate what will happen, including pulling in the UN and the then VP (Fascist Biden) to help “glue the thing,” if needed.

    I urge anyone who has any doubt at all that HA and his pals are pathologically lying thugs who are tools of the US Deep State to read the transcript and listen to the recording.

    You know all this, HA, just as well as I do. You are just lying abut it in the hope that some people who read these comments will not know what you and I know and will therefore believe your lies.

    The lying little tool of the Deep State also wrote:

    I’ll start to believe that, maybe just a little, when you finally head off to Beijing and finally leave the doomed West — that civilization which according to you does not deserve to survive

    No, the West deserves to survive, but not the Ruling Class that now oppresses the West: the Ruling Class must be euthanized, obliterated, sent to the same Hell that the Nazis and Communists were sent to.

    And, you, my little buddy, are not part of the West: you are a tool of Kiev, which is not part of the West.

    Which explains why you are afraid to tell us who you are, what your nationality is, or who is paying you.

    You are hostis humani generis. And the human race has really had enough of you and the masters you serve.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @HA
  256. @HA

    HA wrote to Cagey Beast:

    We’ve heard the excuses before. But Ukrainians aren’t trying to revive the Soviet Union. Whereas Russians — and their many stooges — are supporting a Russian tyrant who very much is

    Putin seems to have been legally elected. Biden was elected in violation of Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution (yes, I know — not being an American, you are ignorant of the US Constitution).

    Putin seems to have control over his Deep State. Biden is controlled by his Deep State (“six ways from Sunday,” to quote Chuck Schumer).

    On the face of it, Russia is a (flawed) democracy.

    America is a dictatorship.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    , @John Johnson
  257. Mr. Anon says:
    @Alden

    If Steve posted an article about Eliza Fletcher, there would be the usual hundred or so comments blaming the White woma

    n murder victim of black killer for;

    Blaming? No. But it is not out of line to point out to women that it is dangerous for them to go out in a dangerous city in the wee hours all by themselves. Sure, that should not be the case, but that is the reality of the World in which we live.

    • Replies: @Alden
  258. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @aNewBanner

    because USG will see this as their golden opportunity to destroy Russia once and for all and to relieve pressure on the European allies.

    There is no pressure from Russia on European allies (other than trade issues the cause of which was U.S. meddling in the war).

    • Replies: @aNewBanner
  259. Anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve wrote:

    Also, we now know the Russian invaders don’t seem to have much of a do-or-die spirit when stressed.

    Do we think of the Jews in Palestine as “the Jewish invaders”?

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
  260. @Alden

    How many blacks have you shot?

    • Replies: @Alden
  261. @AKAHorace

    AKAHorace wrote to me:

    For Christs sake chill out.

    No.

    You are what is technically known as a “tone troll,’ Horace.

    As you know, I deeply hate pathological liars like our little Hasbara HA.

    I think the world would be a much, much better place if all the pathological liars on the planet would swallow a bottle of sleeping pills and go to their just rewards.

    You have made clear that you disagree with me on this — gee, I wonder why?

    Horace also wrote:

    No one on this thread is posting for money or personal profit.

    I worked for the US Intelligence Community in the ’80s and ’90s.

    You are naive.

    Horace also wrote:

    We are a bunch of powerless people who have read different books and have developed different opinions from them.

    No, some people here are intentionally and knowingly lying — such as HA, as I have pointed out.

    And again you are naive in thinking that guys like that have read books!

    We are not debating Leibniz’s theory of monads. Some of the people here are advocating and encouraging serious crimes against humanity carried out by the US Deep State. They are morally responsible for doing so, just as those who defended the crimes of Nazism are morally responsible.

    I realize that you are one of the “irresponsibles,” who think that all this is just like a silly middle-school debate.

    It is not — we are citizens of a republic. And citizens of a republic are morally responsible for the public policies they support and advocate, whether or not that harms your tender feelings.

  262. @Cagey Beast

    Watch out. That’s not a very Citizenism statement that you’re making. After all, so long as some Somali has a piece of paper saying “American” on it, Steve says that we should treat him or her with equal loyalty as we show our own family.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  263. Anon 2 says:

    Only a bit OT: With her usual calm World No.1 Iga Swiatek of Poland
    defeated the Arab Ons Jabeur, thus winning the U.S. Open and \$2.6 million.
    At only 21 she already won 3 Grand Slams, and unlike Serena Williams
    with her ravenous ego, Iga still comes across as modest, low key, but with
    a great sense of humor. America used to be like this – a country of Great Doers
    – but since then it has degenerated into a country of Great Talkers.

    It appears that Poland got an injection of greater self-confidence due to
    a permanent U.S. base (incl. the 82nd Airborne) being established on
    its territory. Of course, joining NATO in 1999 provided the original
    boost. This happened with other countries: Japan, Korea, and Germany
    -all with U.S. bases – quickly got rich after WW II. There used to be an old
    joke: “What’s the fastest way for a country to get rich?” “Declare a war
    on the United States, and then quickly surrender.”

  264. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mb123

    Eastern Ukraine was never Ukrainian. Those were Russian lands given away by decree.

    Decree of whom?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @Mb123
  265. anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

  266. Pixo says:
    @PhysicistDave

    PootyDave is predictable: he always prefers asians over whites. In his personal life; in his slobbering peons to the Chinese regime; and his increasingly deranged and explicit hate for America.

    Now Russia is of course mostly white, but much less so than Ukraine, culturally and biologically, so he supports Russia.

    And while he loves Red China still more, Russia’s version of Oriental despotism tickles his ethno-masochistic kink almost as well.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  267. @RadicalCenter

    I hope you’re not an American presuming to lecture about election fraud. The lack of self-awareness is strong in this one.

    Crimea was given one fake election where we were supposed to believe that ethnic Ukrainians voted overwhelmingly for a Russian dictatorship. Due tell how that is remotely comparable to anything in the US.

    Trump would have won if he didn’t listen to his idiotic base. Yes the media played favorites as usual but Trump was the overwhelmingly favorite before he lost independents and moderates over the virus.

    If everything was controlled by the establishment then Trump would have lost the first election. Both Republicans and Democrats didn’t want him to win.

    I’m not a fan of Biden but he has a term limit and has to answer to congress. Putin answers to no one and ended presidential elections.

    Also, your apparent notion that “the ukraine”

    There is no such thing as The Ukraine. That is English vernacular like The Netherlands.

    The name of their country is Ukraine or more specifically Україна. It doesn’t contain the English word The or their equivalent.

    and russia are entirely separate or distinct peoples is entirely wrong genetically, linguistically, culturally, religiously — with the partial exception of the far-western oblasty of the ukraine.

    They have a separate language which makes them more different than British and colonial Americans. Which you have backed the British over the American rebels under the same reasoning?

    Ukraine and Russia are not the same ethnically. Russia is a multi-ethnic country. They have 193 ethnic groups. Did you not catch that Putin was sending in Muslim Chechens to kill Orthodox Ukrainians? Amazing that his cheerleader force here tries to believe he is Christian. Yes nothing more Christian than starting a needless war and sending in Muslims to kill Christians. But these are the same idiots that think the Jews are somehow losing even though Israel gets Russian cheap oil from this war.

    Russia is not singularly Orthodox. They have Orthodox, Muslims, Jews and Atheists. In fact they have one of the largest atheist populations in the world:
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/religious-beliefs-in-modern-russia.html

    Drunks, atheists, Muslims, no free press, no free speech, no free internet and a shortstack dictator in charge of it all. This is what the Putin cheerleaders are supporting. A mad little dictator that would have sent Steve to the gulag for questioning the establishment.

    As I said before anyone defending this half pint Orc king will look like a complete idiot when this is over. After WW2 the mainstream press kept a lid on how dirty the Russians were in war and how they raped German women. The Russians won’t get to keep secrets in this war. It will be a complete embarrassment and they will curse Putin.

    Cut your losses while you can. Don’t be last person to figure out this little loser dictator is not worth defending.

  268. @PhysicistDave

    Putin seems to have been legally elected.

    He was elected and then ended presidential elections.

    Basically pulled a Hitler.

    On the face of it, Russia is a (flawed) democracy.

    Good lord read the basics before defending your Orc king.

    You didn’t even read Cliffs Notes of My Russian Dictator before getting on your knees.

    Or do tell us when the next Russian presidential election is.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    , @PhysicistDave
  269. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Watch out. That’s not a very Citizenism statement that you’re making. After all, so long as some Somali has a piece of paper saying “American” on it, Steve says that we should treat him or her with equal loyalty as we show our own family.

    Well maybe we should. But we should also stop issuing citizenship papers to more foreigners.

  270. @SFG

    From the perspective of a high trust society (the one Steve still lives in) Schmittianism seems like a betrayal, a Mothersbaugh-style Devolution to be shunned and shamed.

    From the perspective of a society that’s taken a direct hit from the Atomization Bomb finding a few friends and making connections with them seems like the first tentative stirrings of a revival of social life.

    That’s the divide, and it’s not just or even principally alt righters or whatever on the other side. It’s just post-Boomers in general.

    As for principles, if you don’t like those they’ve got others. NATO hasn’t seemed so big on self determination lately – there or here.

  271. Pixo says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Ukrainians circle the drain”

    Yea, Ukraine is circling the Drain of Victory:

    “ Ukrainian forces have penetrated Russian lines to a depth of up to 70 kilometers in some places and captured over 3,000 square kilometers of territory in the past five days since September 6 – more territory than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April.

    Hey that kind of reminds me of your PhysicsDaviah post of March 7, which frankly has not held up too well:

    “ Russia is eight days into its invasion and it basically has all major cities (Kiev, Kharkov and Odessa) surrounded or on the verge of being overrun.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  272. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:

    Feel free to prove me wrong by posting in the comments the entire transcript of Mr. Putin’s two-hour speech about why Ukraine isn’t really a real country.

    Shouldn’t that read President Putin?

  273. @Pixo

    My deranged little buddy Pixo wrote to me:

    PootyDave is predictable: he always prefers asians over whites. In his personal life; in his slobbering peons to the Chinese regime; and his increasingly deranged and explicit hate for America.

    Great Shades of Elvis! When have I ever written “peons” to the Beijing regime? I have no peons, no flunkies, no slaves. And for that matter, no paeans, either.

    Your English, she is not so good, Pixo.

    What did you say your native language was?

    I am an anarchist, Pixo: I very much doubt that you can point to me having ever written a paean about any government at all, much less the Beijing dictatorship.

    I think just maybe you are lying, eh silly,little buddy?

    I do have a certain fondness for the Old American Republic, I will admit, which is about as close to true anarchism as we are likely to get in this fallen world.

    And, no, I also do not prefer Asians over Whites. Nor Whites over Asians.

    You see, little buddy, some of us just are not racists.

    Pixo also wrote:

    Now Russia is of course mostly white, but much less so than Ukraine, culturally and biologically, so he supports Russia.

    Lying again.

    I do not “support Russia.”

    I oppose lies and pathological liars… like, say, you, Pixo.

    And therefore I try to tell the truth about what is happening in Ukraine.

    To the degree that I support anyone in that horrible tragedy, I have made clear that I support the people of the Donbass, who should be free to be independent and live in peace.

    I have in fact said, again and again, that I doubt that Putin was acting in the best interest of the Russian people by moving troops into Ukraine.

    Pixo also wrote:

    And while [Dave] loves Red China still more, Russia’s version of Oriental despotism tickles his ethno-masochistic kink almost as well.

    I’m the person who keeps insisting that there must be a negotiated peace so that the killing will stop.

    And you keep opposing that.

    I think it is pretty clear who is the BDSM freak, here, little buddy.

    Is there some way to keep you away from children?

  274. @Anon

    “Do we think of the Jews in Palestine as “the Jewish invaders”?”

    At some point you become occupiers.

  275. Anne Lid says:
    @John Johnson

    Putin cares more about the people of Russia than any of your presidents of recent care about Americans. (But I could say that about most western leaders. Baerbock openly spits on the Germans, even those who supported her.)
    Remind me, how did that fabled American democracy building work out in Iraq and Libya?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  276. Fans of putin will hate, hate, HATE this article by Timothy Snyder an acknowledged specialist in EE/Ukraine affairs.
    Partly because he makes it pretty clear that they’ve been suckered by russain nihilism…

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-war-democracy-nihilism-timothy-snyder

    • Replies: @David Davenport
  277. @John Johnson

    My little pal John Johnson wrote to me:

    [Dave] Putin seems to have been legally elected.

    [JJ] He was elected and then ended presidential elections.

    He did? When?

    Wikipedia states:

    The president is elected directly through a popular vote to a six-year term…

    In May 2012, Vladimir Putin became the fourth president; he was re-elected in March 2018 and inaugurated in May to a six-year term. He will be eligible for re-election in 2024.

    I trust you will edit the Wikipedia page so that we all can benefit from your superior knowledge, eh, little friend?

    Tell me: do you ever check anything before you spout off?

    You are in middle school, right? They have not yet taught you the idea of “fact checking”?

    (Yes, yes, I know: Putin can run again in 2024 and 2030, and, if he wins, he gets to serve till 2036 — kinda like US Senators, six-year terms and no effective term limits — though in principle Putin cannot run again in 2036. But not “President for Life”: just no effective term limits, kinda like FDR, who just kept winning elections. The people decide: some folks call that “democracy.” But not you middle-school students, it seems.)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  278. @michael droy

    Agreed about Kherson, that wasn’t a feint; that was another attack.

    The more likely deception by the Ukrainians has been the formation of effective combat units armed and trained by NATO behind the cannon fodder they’ve had on the front lines. So while Russia has been killing hundreds of Ukrainians per day (per the Ukrainian government’s own admission), thousands of Ukrainian troops have been getting trained in Britain and perhaps elsewhere.

    The biggest strategic impact of this will be to keep the aid spigots open for the Ukraine for the next several months at least, when some European countries were talking about phasing out weapons transfers.

    I would expect it also to lead to some changes in the prosecution of the war on the Russian side.

  279. Daniel H says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    No one wants to invade the U.S. So why don’t we disarm and get out of Ukraine?

    Because, think about it, who does the mighty American military really protect/shield?

  280. HA says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “I urge anyone who has any doubt at all that HA and his pals are pathologically lying thugs who are tools of the US Deep State to read the transcript and listen to the recording.”

    Yeah, PhysicistDave. I did that. Especially the part where Nuland says at the very top “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.” That really seems like it’s out of line with my characterization? Even Marcus, the “analyst” that the BBC brought in and spice this banal back and forth claims only that “The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on.” Let me repeat that very broad and general characterization of all this: The US was “trying to broker a deal”, more so than it publicly let on.

    So that’s your smoking gun? You really think characterizing that as “plotting a coup” puts you in a position to call other people pathological liars? Nah, I don’t buy it. As far as all the terrible things the US has done, this doesn’t even register — I mean, come on, “trying to broker a deal”. And do tell us, PhysicistDave — how many tanks did that deal-brokering involve? How many acres of Ukrainian land did the US claim as its own in exchange?

    We both know the answer. So stop trying to put this deal-brokering — which is precisely what you yourself are screaming for with your crocodile-tear-stained appeals to “stop the killing” — as anywhere near the meddling Putin engaged in to get Yanukovych elected, or better yet, to get him to renege on the EU deal that Yanukovych himself had favored so as to instead sign on to some ersatz alternative that Putin demanded he accept. Now THAT is meddling. That is what got Yanukovych thrown out. If you seriously this transcript caused any similar unrest in Donbass as that reneging did in the rest of Ukraine, it shows how clueless and naive you are.

    Speaking of which:

    “Putin seems to have been legally elected.”

    Yeah, sure. Buynaksk bombing, anyone? Anyone? I’m not gonna hold my breath for PhysicistDave to admit the truth — he thinks Putin “seems to have been” legally elected. Either he’s being his usual weaselly self in trying to pack a whole lot of dirty laundry into the words “seems to have been”, or he really is too clueless for this world. Take your pick.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  281. LondonBob says:

    In Kherson the attack was met by well fortified positions and experienced troops resulting in the Ukrainian offensive becoming a complete disaster with huge losses, attacking through open fields is pretty daft. In Kharkhov the Allies didn’t have the reserves, nor the fortifications, so retreated on contact to the Oskil river, inflicting high casualties whilst minimising their own, now the Ukrainians sit out in the open with exposed supply lines in an area with few strongpoints and cover for attacking forces. It does seem the Allies managed to evacuate the civilian population.

    Unfortunately this will lead to the Jews in the State Department being able to corral reluctant European governments to going along with their war, inflicting further damage on Europe, on the plus side the likelihood of populist nationalist governments arising has significantly increased.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  282. @Alden

    B not carrying a gun

    From Meretricious’s link to USA Today:

    Robinson said she’s now considering carrying some sort of self-defense on her runs. But she resents even having to think about it.

    “I am not a violent person, I don’t own weapons, I don’t have a gun in the house,” she said. “So for me to even make a comment saying, ‘I feel like I need to carry something,’ it’s intimidating. Like, we shouldn’t have that feeling.”

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Alden
  283. @HA

    HA wrote to me:

    So that’s your smoking gun?

    As I quoted in my earlier comment to which I linked, Nuland said:

    So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.

    So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president’s national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.

    She thought she could “glue it,” that she could make it “stick.”

    Yeah, little buddy, I do call that plotting a coup, when you think you are the one who can glue it and make it stick.

    My crazy little pal also wrote:

    So stop trying to put this deal-brokering — which is precisely what you yourself are screaming for with your crocodile-tear-stained appeals to “stop the killing” — as anywhere near the meddling Putin engaged in to get Yanukovych elected, or better yet, to get him to renege on the EU deal that Yanukovych himself had favored so as to instead sign on to some ersatz alternative that Putin demanded he accept.

    So, were you personally gonna make a bundle out of the EU deal? is that why you are so upset?

    Yanukovych was the legally elected President of Ukraine. He decided to go with what he thought was a better deal from Russia than the deal offered by the EU.

    His prerogative.

    But not in the eyes of the US Deep State.

    Any government anywhere on the planet that is not under the thumb of the US Deep State and its lapdogs in Europe is illegitimate in the eyes of the US Deep State and its lackeys like you, right, HA?

    The fact that the people in Western Ukraine did not like this and chose to secede from the Yanukovych regime is fine by me: I am an anarchist, after all — I simply live to see governments overthrown!

    But what is not okay with me is that the putschists and, more importantly, the US Deep State refused to allow the Donbass the right of self-determination and therefore started killing people in the Donbass.

    Not nice at all, my little buddy, not nice at all.

    Have you followed my advice to get out of Europe pronto, little buddy? Europe is gonna be kinda unpleasant this winter, you know, especially Ukraine.

    But spring is just arriving in South America.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @HA
  284. @LondonBob

    Who are “the Allies” that you speak of in the Russia-Ukraine War?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  285. Anne Lid says:
    @Jack D

    Russia was not invaded in the nineties. She was robbed blind and brought to penury and dishonor. You know who did it beacuse you read this blog and you know they want to do it again.

    It’s disingenuous of you to say nobody wants to invade Russia. There is no need to, breaking it apart and extract whatever can be extracted is how it’s done.

  286. @PhysicistDave

    Nice try.

    Putin ended direct elections in 2004 under the guise of “Fighting terrorism” as if that makes any sense.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/1056377.html

    His “re-election” was a sham. He controls the government.

    Yes, yes, I know: Putin can run again in 2024 and 2030,

    Putin extended his own term limit
    https://onlinecolumnist.com/2021/04/05/putin-extends-term-to-2036/

    The guy is a dictator. That is how he launched a massive war without even a debate.

    Here is what happens to people that turn against him:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-putin-ally-and-russian-oil-tycoon-mysteriously-dies-in-fall-from-hospital-window-after-criticising-war-in-ukraine/ss-AA11m7cf

    There are ex-Russians in the West that talk about how only he is in charge and there is zero democracy.

    Go play at Anglin’s forum where such amateurish arguments are allowed.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Curle
  287. @PhysicistDave

    The killing must stop.

    Agreed and Putin can end the killing with a single command.

    He started the war and he can end it.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  288. @Anne Lid

    Putin cares more about the people of Russia than any of your presidents of recent care about Americans.

    Nothing says “I care” like killing and wounding 100k Russian men while destroying diplomatic and economic ties with the West.

    Numerous reports have suggested that Donbas separatists have been used like cannon fodder. Basically the Russian military treats ethnic Russians in Ukraine like expendable idiots. I guess that is what you get for thinking that a Russian dictatorship will serve you better than a democracy.

    Remind me, how did that fabled American democracy building work out in Iraq and Libya?

    I was for leaving Libya alone. It’s actually possible to oppose American foreign policy and this needless Russian invasion. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

    Here in America we can debate something like that online without having to worry about getting a knock on the door.

    Putin has actually passed a law whereby calling a war will get you 15 years.
    https://news.yahoo.com/russia-cracks-down-free-speech-040014673.html

    Putin is completely terrified of discussing reality as it is like men. Russian websites like this one are banned. There is only one acceptable mentality and that is serving the state. Do you agree with that mentality?

    Banning proper words is the behavior of someone that is afraid of discussing reality. Real men call it like it is. Invading your neighbor with the plans of taking territory by military force is a war.

    But keep defending this insecure Orc king. You will feel like a complete ass when this is over.

    The US/British probably have a trick up their sleeve like the allies did with Enigma. The CIA knew last year that this invasion would happen while Putin’s defenders were swearing it was all a US conspiracy. Remember when Putin told everyone to calm down and that it was just a training exercise? Remember that? Did you defend him then?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    , @Anne Lid
  289. @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:

    [Putin] started the war and he can end it.

    That is a lie.

    And you know that is a lie.

    This war started in 2014 when the puppet regime installed by the US-backed putsch in Kiev chose to go to war against the people of the Donbass because the Donbass chose not to participate in the illegal coup.

    If Putin pulls out, the Nazis in Kiev will continue the war against the Donbass,

    You know that as well as I do.

    Stop lying, child.

    Lying is wrong.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  290. @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to Anne Lid:

    Here in America we can debate something like that online without having to worry about getting a knock on the door.

    Not any more:

    Lawyer Says Dozens Of Trump Supporters Served With Warrants, Subpoenas Seeking 2020 Election Communications

    They seem to be going after anyone who is prominent and who has pointed out that the 2020 election was a fraud (for example, it obviously and blatantly violated Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution).

    They seem to be afraid to go after Tucker… so far.

    You live in a dictatorship, John, You just won’t admit it to yourself.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @jill
  291. @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:

    Putin extended his own term limit…

    So what?

    That does not mean that he appointed himself President for Life.

    It just means that the Russian people can elect him a couple more times.

    If they want to.

    If not, not.

    The US had no term limits at all prior to 1951.

    We still don’t for the Senate or the House.

    By your logic, Raphael Warnock has appointed himself “Senator for Life” because he has no term limits.

    Even though he is likely to lose his seat this fall.

    Funny idea of Senator for Life, eh?

    You really are lying scum, aren’t you, John?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  292. Bert says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The British took the colonists’ capital, Philadelphia. They did not eliminate the Continental Army. They did not win.

    An even more extreme example is the British conquest of South Carolina during the first half of 1780. They took Charles Town and set up an arc of fortified posts across the lower Piedmont. Then the Bristish proceeded to burn Presbyterian churches and Scots-Irish farmsteads for only a few days before the militia of the upper Piedmont rose up and began the process of driving them and their Tory militias out. By the end of that process, 14 months later in the last major battle at Eutaw Springs, the patriot militia was able to go toe-to-toe with British regulars. Destroying the will to fight is fundamental. Pissing off the opposing population is stupid, a pro-tip for Wokeists.

  293. Sean says:
    @Anon

    The fact that Ukraine has lost 10-20% of its territory is the same thing as it ceasing to exist.

    Post Orange Ukraine seems to have behaved as if Russia already had ceased to exist, and the economic benefits of Western orientation could like a country never part of the Soviet Union (Poland) lead to peace and plenty accessed without incurring any security threat beyond a theoretic one from its oversized neighbor, which could be spurned with impunity. Joining Nato would clearly be a protection because it would entail Ukraine coming under Charter Five of the Washington Treaty’s provision for an attack on a Nato member being an attack on America (mainly).

    Yet announcing that Ukraine would be joining Nato years in the future as Nato first did in 2008 and has reiterated most recently in June 2021, was the opposite of a protection because it gave Russia a window of opportunity while putting it under the gun. So it was not done with Ukraine’s security in mind at all it was a token of Ukraine’s commitment to the West done with the riches going to flow from it in mind.

    In 2008 Ukraine straddled east to west and had the lions share of Black sea coastline as a gateway to the south, which is why China was keen to include it in the New Silk Road infrastructure. Ukraine’s black gold earth could feed the world and commercial investment in agricultural and associated logistics there was a winning big business proposition, but now the deliveries will never be certain so customers will be looking for other suppliers, because governments are not going to ever really rely on it in case of disruption and a chance of bread riots in their country. Ukraine might still not take Russia seriously, but Ukraine’s customers will have to.

    In 2008 0il and gas transport from Russia to Europe was something Russia needed and Ukraine had a lock on like Crimea naval bases, and Ukraine collected substantial rents, much of which was in the form of cheap energy prices, particular useful because Ukrainian winters are very cold. There was no substantial military spending or exorbitant taxes, a conscription deferment was easy to get for anyone with a bit of resourcefulness, and even convicted draft evaders were not imprisoned. The only real problem Ukraine had fourteen years ago was a low birthrate, but it was not alone in that and unlike other countries emigration was moderate because there wasn’t not an established Ukrainian diaspora in places like England to lower the cost of moving abroad.

    Hell if a country going down in flames in terms of international prestige counts we could say that Russia has ceased to exist … !

    I would say the nadir of international prestige Russia had was before invading, because although the experts thought it would be easy for Russia, no one could believe that Putin was going to actually use the build up for a full on invasion considering the immense difficulties of sustaining control over a subdued Ukraine for years with the US supporting armed resistance (as supposedly shown by the Afghan war). At the begining of his presidency, Biden openly called Putin a killer but actually counted on Russia to bluster but do nothing over-against Ukraine because it was a defacto US ally. Like Zelensky, Biden counted wrong; Russia is the surprisingly underpowered stoic nation state that as Ali said of Joe Frazier gets angry when you miss him and always comes back for more. An armistice will not be the end of it for Ukraine: it has opened an account with Russia that can never be closed. That is great thinking to secure an ongoing future for the people of Ukraine of flourishing in their homeland with health services, generous maternity leave and allowances ECT in order to prevent them being replaced even faster than natives in the wealthiest countries of the West

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  294. @Anonymous

    Traditionally Russian territories were added to the Ukrainian SSR by Lenin and Khrushchev.

  295. Anne Lid says:
    @AnotherDad

    Russia did not invade Hungary in 1956, the Soviet Union did. We have no reason to be afraid of Russia, they are great partners in trade and cultural exchange and they don’t need or want our lands or resources. The historical situation in 1956 (or 1848) is totally different than now. Apples to oranges. “Russia will invade because that’s what they do” is fearmongering for the superficial minds, anti Russian propaganda.

    A little tidbit: before 56 almost all the leadership was comprised of Jews (with names changed to sound more Hungarian). After 56 the top either went to the SU or somewhat backed off and lived their privileged lives off in peace. The orders from the SU were to put goyim in highly visible positions and let the Hungarians have a little more wiggle room.
    These communists after the “fall” of communism continued to live undisturbed, never punished for their crimes. Their contacts availed them to opportunities average Hungarians did not have. Come the nineties, their children were in leading positions and similarly how Russia was robbed Hungary’s treasures were wasted and the culture degraded.
    We had an incredible luck that Orban, who could have been another Soros puppet, had matured into a real leader. He is surrounded by opportunists, hangers-on, but still managed to have a core team and public support to turn back the destruction. The blinded Hungarians still repeat “the Russkies invaded us, the Russkies are invaders”, but they are not a majority, thanks God.

    • Thanks: Cagey Beast, Catdompanj
    • Replies: @HA
  296. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Absolute reality is not present in anything one can read, no matter how exhaustive and well informed it is. I try and get some underdiscussed aspect to light. Sometimes it doesn’t work because it have not researched it broadly enough, and the received version of reality is better.

    The Cuban crisis started when Eisenhower approved in principle an undercover invasion of Cuba to be followed by a massive use of US forces, when that gambit was atempted under JFK and failed, what followed was the Cuban missile crisis in which Khrushchev backed down with secret concessionary withdrawal of US missiles in Turkey (where still, at the largest Nato repository of Incirlik Air Base, are still stored some 50 American nuclear bombs that the Turks have been trained to use), but made the fatal error of seeming to back down and was deposed.

    The relevance of the above is first the US did not stand for a Russian ally on its border no matter if it was sovereign and second JFK recovered from the fiasco by maintaining the pressure and when Russia upped the ante esculating to the highest rung of intimidation. In their near abroad the US had escalatory dominance; Obama wisely understood Russia has it over Ukraine and vetoed weapons for them much to the idiot Blinken’s displeasure. Can Russia excuse its behaviour?; it’s not actually ursine yet as a living thing inevitably will eventually turn and start fighting for survival as it sees it, according to the tenets of geopolitics.

    Putin, as Gershman the NED chief gleefully opined in 2013. would fall if he let Ukraine leave Russia’s orbit; he will not, can not, withdraw and stay in power. Brzezinski said shortly before he passed away that Ukraine should not be involved with NATO like Finland during the Cold War. Ukraine being independent of Russia made in no longer a threat to Europe and that was as much as could be achieved with Ukraine without pushing its luck a la Timmy Treadwell. Like him the Ukrainians were insouciant about what a Bear was ready willing and able to do under certain conditions they created, and ignored its increasingly menacing behavior.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  297. Anne Lid says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Another disingenuous statement. Ukraine is being depopulated for the convenience of Monsanto et al. Jews have slipped out and enjoying life in holiday accommodations in Hungary while those goyim kill each other with the guns, training, intel the West provides. When it’s all over they count on going back and buying everything on the cheap. Meanwhile common Europeans sacrifice their industry and progress for what? “Freedom and security”? They don’t seem very free, and their security is precarious.

    Your “distinct bias towards white European people” is a farce.

  298. BB753 says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, Chalumet has made a career as a toy-boy both on and off screen. What do you expect?

  299. Alden says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Typical MAN OF UNZ always blame the White victim of a black on White crime.

  300. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    None, but unlike the pussy MEN OF UNZ I sent about 10,000 black criminals maximum terms in state prison over 27 years. Which kept the predators locked up away from their victims

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  301. @R.G. Camara

    My dear buddy R.G. Camara wrote to me:

    lol. Shut up, gammatard. You couldn’t even figure out how Caesar paid his army…

    Ah, but I do know, my little buddy, and if you are very, very nice, someday I will share it with you.

    RG also wrote to me:

    don’t try to lecture people on your military theories, since they flow from your ignorant, bigoted mouth and empty head.

    Ah, but my empty head keeps spewing out stuff onto the keyboard. What can I do to stop it?

    You tell me, little buddy.

    You take care, my friend.

  302. @PhysicistDave

    Hey Doormat Dave, Putin was never going to fix your remorse for all of the humiliation you half-recognise feeling you have inflicted on yourself during your life, but now he is losing badly and will be removed by the Russian people to be replaced by rapprochement with the West. I guarantee it.

    So who will you latch onto next and use as avatar for your later life crisis?

    That crocodile-eyed sadist in Zimbabwe? How about Lukashenko? Though he’s also going to be gone soon enough. Malema? I guess it’ll be President Xi. Would be funny if he gets kicked out by the CCP at their coming conference. Tying himself to Putin the Bungler may well be a public humiliation too far.

    Can I suggest you put down the politics? Maybe go and reflect on why you’ve made the choices you have in life and find peace instead? You don’t actually have anything to be scared of. Though you don’t get them now, no doubt those choices really did actually make sense.

    Or at least read all of your own comments from the beginning of the war. This Dave the Doormat’s descent into derangement isn’t helping you.

    Please just go back and read your own comments from February until now.

    • Thanks: HA
  303. Anne Lid says:
    @John Johnson

    As a matter of fact, you are right about me not expecting the training exercise morph into SMO. Because until then Russia did not invade on behalf of the Donbas even though they could have since 2014. But I approved it, since the Minsk agreement was not respected. Additionally the Zelensky regime yapped too much about NATO membership and the camel’s back broke. I don’t care about the indignant voices crying “Ukraine would never have been accepted anyway, there was no danger to Russia”. Obviously the hapless Ukrainians were used to provoke Russia and eventually they succeeded.

    RT was banned here. Loads of little blogs have disappeared from the web. Here in the UK I cannot open the tv (I don’t have one, but I listened to it at other places) without feeling angry or sick. In Hungary I know for a fact that public persona take money from abroad to influence people to favour policies that are ultimately harmful to them. I wish they would be made responsible!

    Is Unz banned in Russia? They can read it, they can comment.

    The Donbas people fight for their own freedom in their own land. Calling them cannon fodder is denying them agency.

  304. Alden says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Hey ignorant moron. The safest hours in a black infested city are about 3/30 am to noon. By 3/30 am the predators are home in bed or sleeping in their cars or under some bushes. They don’t wake till 11 am or noon And aren’t out and about till 1pm at the earliest.

    Every police and law enforcement agency will tell you that. Most crimes are committed between noon and about 3am. The men of UNZ are so ignorant and naive about crime and cities.
    And when it’s a White woman killed by a black the MEN OF UNZ rejoice. Maybe you and the other Men of UNZ identify more with black rapists and murderers than White women.

    “Wee hours of the morning” when 4/30 am is one of the safest times of day to be out and about. Your local city police department probably has a website and pamphlets with safety tips. Read them and learn that 4/30 am is much safer than 4/30 pm

    Typical conservative unwilling to do anything about crime but blame the victim.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  305. @JimB

    JimB wrote to me:

    As we learned in the Vietnam War and Afghanistan, an army can go undefeated and still lose a long war. Russia and the US both think it is to their advantage to stretch out the Ukraine conflict, but I rather think time is on the side of Russia.

    Yeah, I’ve tried to be careful to specify that the goal is to arrange that the other side either is unable or unwilling to continue to fight. Very often it is the latter — as happened in WW I, in Vietnam, etc.

    I agree with your prediction, but I will admit that it is possible that Putin will simply decide the price is not worth it to continue fighting.

    One thing that is pretty clear: Ukraine cannot simply defeat Russia in the conventional sense of decisively annihilating Russian forces and then marching on Moscow. Even our most bloodthirsty war-porn addicts do not really seem to think Zelensky will end up occupying the Kremlin!

    JimB also wrote:

    How far off can energy and food rationing in the US be?

    My own guess is that Americans do not go cold or hungry — but are certainly poorer. But there may be real suffering among our European allies.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  306. @SIMP simp

    SIMP simp wrote to me:

    You can’t defeat the enemy army if they don’t want to fight you, so you have to attack some important territory and force the enemy to defend it.

    You make an important point: understanding this is one of the keys to successful guerrilla warfare.

    But the contest over territory is still just one of the possible means to the ultimate end: arranging that the other side’s army is either unable or unwilling to continue to fight.

  307. BB753 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    It’s a small decline compared to what’s in store for the West in 2025! A 25 to 60 % drop in population by 2025! At least according to this think tank, the Deagel Corporation.
    https://nobulart.com/deagel-2025-forecast-resurrected/
    A possible explanation: China never took the fancy ( and deadly) messenger RNA vaccines but inactivated whole viron vaccines.
    At this point, given the sharp spike in deaths, it’s become a likely scenario.

  308. @Anon

    Pressure is pressure, even if it is self-inflicted virtue signaling or the result of USG directives. Two and a half years ago, the world talked itself into lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and shutting down the entire economy over COVID. Six months ago, Europe condemned itself to a cold, hungry winter by sanctioning Russia. About a month ago, Congress gave the EPA the right to regulate CO2 as a pollutant. Western governments increasingly act in extremely stupid, counterproductive ways and irrationally pressure themselves.

  309. Mb123 says:
    @Anonymous

    First Lenin then Khruschev(Krimea)

  310. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    The problem with acting like a bear is that even a bear only has one set of teeth. The bear was so busy chewing up Ukraine that the original Finland, which is named Finland, joined NATO while they were busy. Joined NATO BECAUSE they were trying to make another Finland out of Ukraine. Putin tried to add another buffer state but meanwhile he lost his old buffer state – it’s 60 miles to St. Petersburg from the Finnish border and now the NATO tanks will be right there. And if you add Sweden then even “winning” in Ukraine would mean minus one and plus two, so the # of NATO states has gone UP as a result of this war, not down.

    Ukraine was never on the verge of joining NATO to begin with (but they probably will now). As for whether this would automatically cause Putin to fall, it does not follow because a whole bunch of Russia’s neighbors joined NATO and Putin did not fall. The best way of convincing Ukraine to not join NATO was to not threaten to invade them, since the reason you join NATO in the 1st place is to fend off Russian invasion. But instead Putin did the opposite.

    Anyway, joining NATO is just one on the list of rotating excuses for the war – you forgot the oppression of Russian speakers and the fact that Ukraine was run by Jewish Nazis (much like Hitler himself who was also a Jewish Nazi). Of course, the real reason (traditional Russian imperialism) cannot be mentioned because imperialism is a bad word.

    Anyway, Russia is not a bear. It’s a country run by humans with human agency and they have to be held to human standards, not bear standards.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Sean
  311. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    I would say the nadir of international prestige Russia had was before invading,

    Well, then Putin has succeeding in bringing Russia lower than low. Before the war, no one respected Russia because they understood that they were a bunch of thugs who poison their enemies and so on, but at least maybe they feared them as the supposed #2 army in the world. Now Russia’s military has been revealed to be as rotten and riddled thru with corruption as every other institution in Russia, their tactics have not been updated since WWII and Russian arms have been proven to be no match for the latest generation NATO stuff.

    No one can take the prospect of a Russian invasion of NATO territory seriously anymore. All they can do is rattle their nuclear weapons which they don’t dare use. Nukes are great defensive weapons but Russia didn’t really need any more defense – no one was going to invade them anyway. But as offensive weapons they are worthless.

    If you can’t be respected and you can’t be feared, what is left? Russia had a very short list of allies consisting mainly of other pariah states – N. Korea, Iran, Belarus, etc. (China doesn’t count because their “friendship” was strictly on paper) but Lukashenko always has his finger to the wind. He allowed Russia to use his territory but he was careful to keep his own army out of the fight. My guess is that the current Russian “advance to the rear” is going to cause him to back off even further.

    If before the war was the nadir, in what way has this war increased Russia’s prestige?

    • Replies: @Anon
  312. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Correction: Finland has not joined yet NATO due to Turkish veto.

  313. Mike Tre says:
    @Alden

    You make a good case.. for women not being allowed on the internet. 😀

    • Replies: @Alden
  314. Jack D says:
    @LondonBob

    You should get an award for fiction writing. While Ukraine has certainly taken casualties, the losses inflicted by the Russians are nothing like what is portrayed in your fiction writing and in any case does not change the fact that in a matter of days the Ukrainians have retaken over 3,000 sq km of territory that it took the Russians many months (and considerable casualties of their own) to take.

    The “retreat” is more like a rout – the Russians have left behind enormous quantities of ammunition and equipment which will now be deployed against them and abandoned their civilian collaborators who will either have to flee on their own initiative or face Ukrainian justice. Russia’s goal to Russify the occupied territories has backfired – anyone who has collaborated with the Russians is now on their way to the Russian border, if they can figure out a way to get there on their own. If they hold a sham referendum they are going to have to use absentee ballots.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  315. Corvinus says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So just how many Ukrainians are neo Nazis according to Putin that justified an invasion against his white brethren? And you know this how? Just how many dead Ukrainian children—devil spawn of those neo Nazis—will sate your bloodlust?

  316. HA says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “She thought she could ‘glue it,’ that she could make it ‘stick.’”

    You forgot the part about having “the UN help glue it”. When it comes to parsing your blather, it’s always about what you choose to omit, it? And hey, isn’t Russia itself a part of the UN?

    I.e., if this is your idea of how a “coup” is carried out, it’s as loony as the rest of your warped world-view. As for the rest of your windbaggery, I’m afraid logorrhea won’t save you this time, PhysicistDave. How about you focus a little more on those apartment bombings you also curiously overlooked and your bizarre affirmations of Putin’s legitimacy in the wake of this debacle? I mean, given how well the rebels of Izyum did by listening to Putin — i.e., not well at all, from the looks of it– maybe relying on the likes of him isn’t doing anyone any favors. So if you genuinely care about the people of Donbass, find them a better sponsor for them than the “levy” mafia that Putin set up, not to mention Putin himself.

    Moreover, cooking up weird accusations and conspiracy theories about how those who yet again made of you must be paid agents of a foreign power (especially given your own craven sycophancy regarding the tyrants of China and Russia) is something you should leave to the nutjobs, though arguably you teamed up with them the moment you sold your credibility to Putin.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Sean
    , @PhysicistDave
  317. @PhysicistDave

    But there may be real suffering among our European allies.

    Especially if they’re craven (or stupid) enough to continue acting as such. They are, in fact, subjects of Uncle Sam.

    As are the American (?) Warball fans you’ve been jousting with, who think – but can’t explain how – this waste and carnage furthers their interests.

  318. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Ukraine was never on the verge of joining NATO to begin with (but they probably will now).

    Are you crazy? No one is going to stay in Nato if Ukraine joins it. Ukraine’s leadership are much too reckless to give them the means to bring Nato members into a war with Russia.

    All they can do is rattle their nuclear weapons which they don’t dare use.

    Of late Putin has demonstrated more daring that would make one confident that he would not use a tactical thermonuclear weapon against Ukraine or credibly threaten to if he thought the alternative was an unbearable humiliation. And if his ultimatum was ignored and he carried out his threat what is Nato going to do then? European countries join Nato to be defenced at US taxpayers’ expense, not to have their region become the venue for a short range nuke off between two powers who will be carefully avoiding each other’s homeland.

    Anyway, Russia is not a bear. It’s a country run by humans with human agency and they have to be held to human standards, not bear standards

    Russians are human beings too, so they can judge themselves. And if they see things as tantamount to them being bound hand and foot and handed over to those with deep seated historical resentments and geopolitical malevolence against them without a shot fired, then Russia being a sovereign state recognises no higher authority or restraint on their course of action in this* world, just like Ukraine.

    (* Putin could behave beyond reproach and fail as a leader, indeed Machiavelli’s point was that being pure is bound to lead to disaster in this world. And who has behaved so? The US when it billied and tried to overthrow the government of Castro; Poland when it attacked Russia during the Civil War there; Germany when it passed up the opportunity to attack Russia in 1905 when it was suffering revolution and the aftermath of a lost war? Well in the last of those Kaiser was maybe playing nice, but where did eschewing aggression when he would have had an excellent prospect of sucess get him 9 years later?).

    Of course, the real reason (traditional Russian imperialism) cannot be mentioned because imperialism is a bad word

    By the mid 19th century, Ukraine’s cultural separateness was seen by the Tsarist authorities as a half way house to Ukraine becoming Polish. I think economic and demographic Polish penetration of Ukraine will be an increasing important trend

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Jack D
  319. 216 says: • Website
    @Louis Renault

    The US/Canada don’t produce enough oil to satisfy demand in the European Union, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan.

  320. Jack D says:
    @HA

    find them a better sponsor for them than the “levy” mafia that Putin set up,

    Hey, leave the Jews out of this!

    • LOL: HA, Johann Ricke
  321. Sean says:
    @HA

    How about you focus a little more on those apartment bombings

    I have Sweeny’s book on Putin (Stuermer’s too) and that is a load of crap about Putin being behind those terrorist massacres.

    https://theconversation.com/life-hates-surprises-can-an-ambitious-theory-unify-biology-neuroscience-and-psychology-184052

    Start with a simpler idea: every organism is trying to minimise how surprising its experiences are. By “surprising”, we mean experiences that have not been encountered previously by the organism or its ancestors. Your ancestors were successful enough to produce a lineage that eventually produced you, so what they experienced must have promoted survival. And your own experiences so far have resulted in you still being alive. […]

    Minimising free energy means choosing to believe in the unobserved situation that makes your observations least surprising. Here’s an example: imagine you are picnicking in the park, watching two friends kick a football to and fro. Your view is occluded by a tree, so you don’t see the full trajectory of the kicked ball. Now, it is possible that there is a third person behind the tree, who catches the ball each time it passes them and then throws on a spare ball they have handy.
    However, there is no evidence for the existence of this third person, so their existence would be very surprising. So you can minimise your surprise by believing there is no secret third person behind the tree.

    https://youtu.be/QQzXFiudJc8?t=597

    Moreover, cooking up weird accusations and conspiracy theories … you should leave to the nutjobs

    Yes it comes naturally to them, but some normal folk can fall into it about those they hate so much they can’t see think straight about; Hitler and the Reichstag fire is a good example because many good minds got that all wrong.

  322. @PhysicistDave

    They seem to be going after anyone who is prominent and who has pointed out that the 2020 election was a fraud (for example, it obviously and blatantly violated Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution).

    Articles like that aren’t allowed in Russia and we have something called due process.

    Meaning the government can’t just make you disappear in the night.

    Putin has returned Russia to the Soviet days. Criticize the government and some fatal accident happens without an investigation. Or you are just gone.

    You live in a dictatorship, John, You just won’t admit it to yourself.

    Oh really?

    I voted against Biden and he has a term limit. When will the Russian people be able to vote against Putin?

    Biden can’t pass any law he wants as seen by the fact that AR-15s are still legal. Putin started a war on his own and can pass anything he wants.

    Government overreach in the US is not comparable. No one gets 15 years for calling the war a war.

    Keep defending your little control freak dictator. You and others here will regret it. The world hates him and the Russian people would vote against this stupid war if they could.

    Problems with the US government will not be solved by cheering on a Stalin type dictatorship where there are no individual or business rights. Putin can simply do as he wants.

  323. @PhysicistDave

    [Putin] started the war and he can end it.

    That is a lie.

    And you know that is a lie.

    This war started in 2014 when the puppet regime installed by the US-backed putsch in Kiev chose to go to war against the people of the Donbass because the Donbass chose not to participate in the illegal coup.

    That was not a war against Russia.

    If the people of New Mexico decided to split and declare they were joining Mexico you would be fine with that? Ethnic Russian separatists declared themselves to be no longer part of Ukraine. There was never a war against Russia. If Hispanic New Mexican paramilitaries with US citizenship fought against US special forces that wouldn’t be a war against Mexico. It would be an operation against separatists.

    Ukraine never declared a war on anyone. Most of the fighting was by paramilitaries by both sides.

    If this is all about Donbass then why didn’t Putin make territorial demands instead of launching a war? Why attack Kiev? Why not give Ukraine an ultimatum over Donbass? Not a single Putin supporter has given me a rational answer to this question. Putin ended diplomatic channels after lying about it all being a training exercise. Zelensky in fact didn’t believe the US/British until they crossed the border.

    The answer is that he planned on taking the entire country and adding it to Russia. That was already leaked in captured battleplans. In fact he wanted to keep going to Transnistria. Putin said he wanted a return of Imperial Russia. Are you going to deny he said that?

    Putin originally claimed the war was about NATO and then switched to Donbass after they were unable to take Kiev. Do I need to dig up his speech for you?

    He has Parkinson’s and wanted to take it all before he dies. There are at least 5 videos of him with either a shaking limb or gripping a table. He is a dying dictator that is playing wargames with innocent and brave men on both sides.

    Putin has killed over 100k people in this war and he could call it off at any time. The world once feared the Russian military and now they are the joke of youtube comments:

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Jack D
    , @PhysicistDave
  324. HA says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    “Can I suggest you put down the politics? Maybe go and reflect on why you’ve made the choices you have in life and find peace instead?”

    I would extend that plea to all the other worthless Russian stooges that Ron Unz has cultivated over the years. As far I’m concerned, Karlin and the Saker and all these other loons had one job, ONE JOB, which was to keep us apprised of how things really were regarding Russia — you know, that profoundly important state we all needed to know more about since it is destined to restore Western civilization to its former alpha-male and totally-not-gay glory or whatever. The MSM was not up to the task of doing that and so Ron Unz decided he would fill that void.

    But like PhysicistDave, who hated the US so much that he went and found another couple of empires to genuflect to that were even more venal and vile, al these jokers did was to make things even worse for Russians they pretended to care about, and anyone else stupid enough to believe them, or anyone stupid enough to believe that Russia wasn’t, in the end, just a run-down gas station with nukes.

    These jokers had ONE JOB — and they botched it. So what exactly is the Saker good for? Anyone? He’s still at it, by the way, keeping the faith and telling people this is all just a little setback which happen in any conflict. No cause for concern. And Cernovich wants to pretend that starting a land war in Asia is now a-OK because he might otherwise run into a supporter of Jussie? Yeah, makes total sense Mike! But tell us, why is running into someone like Karlin any better at this point than seeing an “I stand with Jussie” bumper sticker? It simply doesn’t add up.

    And it’s not as if any of that was inevitable. Case in point: Steve Sailer. He could have drunk the borscht-flavored Kool-aid, too, and told us how delicious it was, but he didn’t. Come on, people — we’re talking about starting a land war in Asia! It rarely turns out well and spineless cowards like PhysicistDave whose response was nothing but some mealy-mouthed muttering about how “Yeah, I myself would have preferred Putin had not done that” are not the answer. I mean, none of this quantum field theory (but at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if when all is said and done, PhysicistDave turns out to be clueless about that, too). And as for the rest of those on Ron’s masthead who have been selling themselves for rubles for years, Ron might do well with some serious soul searching of his own. Let’s remember that this guy went out and scouted someone like Scott Ritter to write for him, and told us that Douglas MacGregor (the one who told us in February it would all be over in another 10 days) was a refreshing alternative to the MSM.

    Frying pan, meet fire.

  325. BB753 says:
    @John Johnson

    Man, the moment a Ukraine post is up on isteve, pro-ukie shills, trolls, and feds creep out of the woodwork to shout down any dissent from the NATO line! Is it organic or hasbara?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  326. @Sean

    Are you crazy? No one is going to stay in Nato if Ukraine joins it. Ukraine’s leadership are much too reckless to give them the means to bring Nato members into a war with Russia.

    Ukraine doesn’t qualify for NATO
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17767225/ukraine-nato-explained/

    France and Germany oppose their membership and the vote has to be unanimous
    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-France-and-Germany-block-Ukraines-admission-to-NATO

    Putin has since moved on from the NATO excuse. He switched to Neo-Nazis and now Donbass.

    It never made sense but then no one in Russia is allowed to call him on his bulls–t.

  327. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    I think economic and demographic Polish penetration of Ukraine will be an increasing important trend

    You have this quite backward. Since Poland is the richer country, there are now millions of Ukrainian guest workers in Poland (and now more millions of refugees) and hardly any Poles who want to live in Ukraine.

    Parts of Western Ukraine were once Polish territory and had large Polish (and Jewish) populations but these were all ethnically cleansed during WWII. When I found the Polish cemetery in my mother’s shtetl in Ukraine, it was almost as run down and overgrown as the Jewish one (across the border in Poland, Polish cemeteries are kept as neat as pins and elaborately decorated with flowers on holidays by the families of the dead, but there is no one left to visit the Polish dead of Ukraine).

    Ukraine always struggled to have an identity that was separate from BOTH Polish and Russian identity. After WWII Polish influence waned. Up until recently they were still struggling with Russian identity – almost every Ukrainian could speak Russian, either as their primary or 2nd language and recite Pushkin the way that (better educated) English speakers can recite snippets of Shakespeare. But Putin has killed that now. He has done more to purge Russian culture from Ukraine than any man, including Stalin. 100 years from now, everyone in Ukraine is still going to hate the Russians.

  328. @Steve Sailer

    • Replies: @Jack D
  329. Jack D says:
    @John Johnson

    The tank probably crashed into the tree because the driver had been shot and was no longer in control. It all looks very amusing until you realize those are flesh and blood humans flying off of the tank and not stunt men. Putin gets the glory but these shnooks pay the price. It’s true that they are mostly contract soldiers who signed up for combat (although DPR and LNR shanghai people off of the street), but a lot of them were driven by economic desperation – they just wanted to make enough money to buy their mama a toilet back in Bumfukistan or bring one back as war booty.

    The tank was probably not too badly damaged and will be put back into service by the Ukrainians. In the current rout, the Russians have left behind vast troves of equipment and ammunition. On a typical day the Ukrainian weapons blogs show a scattered handful of Russian equipment – a piece captured here and another one there, but today there is page after page showing dozens of pieces of abandoned equipment, much of it completely undamaged and some of the rest in repairable condition. Just paint over the Z’s and put that stuff right back out there.

    The Russians “advanced to the rear” as fast as they could run. This is what happens in a rout – you don’t have time to take all your stuff or even destroy it, you just run away as fast you can. The Russian MoD is trying to portray this as an orderly retreat but it was anything but orderly, it was run for your life, every man for himself.

  330. Sean says:

    Bush wanted to make Ukraine member of NATO instantly, but due to objections by Germany and France had to settle for a declaration by Nato that Ukraine was going, at some point in the future, to become a member of Nato. So Germany went along with this because it does what it i told by America Why that declaration of certain future membership became a dead letter is nere months after the official NATO announcement in 2008 that Ukraine and Georgia would become NATO member at some undetermined time in the future, Georgia was subjected to a full on conventional invasion by Putin. So Ukraine not joining was to do with Putin invading Georgia.. In 2010 the voctor of the Orange revolution (Yushchenko) lost the presidency to a Russian speaker (Yanukovych, who had been the victim of the orange revolution) and so Ukrainian membership became a double dead letter. However in 2014 Yanukovych was deposed after agreeing to an economic deal with Russia. It was then that Putin annexed Crimea and backed the Russian speaker revolt in Donbass. Poroshenko a Ukrainian nationalist was elected president and he had it put in Ukraine’s constitution that Ukraine would join Nato, which Nato had been reaffirming its 2008 declaration concerning Ukraine every year since anyway.

    Poroshenko got the US under Trump to agree to supply weapons for the first time (Obama had vetoed that because he said Russia had ‘escalatory dominance’ in Ukraine), but Poroshenko lost the presidency to Zelensky who was very vaugue but seemed to be saying he’d make peace with Russian and get back the Donbass. Once in office Zemensky seemed to be willing to very roughly follow the Minsk agreement and the Russians gave some concessions. basically the deal was for autonomy for the rebel occupied territory but required their agreement to anything like Ukraine joining Nato.

    Zelensky had campaigned as a peace through compromise candidate willing to in effect give up on Ukraine joining Nato by giving Dombass a big say although the Donbass would remain as de jure part of Ukraine; all the European powers accepted it and so did American diplomats. Zelensky was e was intimidated by demos and the prospect of being on the end of a slow burning 2014 with mass (minority of the electorate as far as anyone knows) rallies addressed by Poroshenko calling Zelensky a traitor.

    In June 2021, it was re announced (by NATO) that Ukraine would at some point be joining NATO (see appendix), perhaps forgetting that Putin had one final option left that he would have to use before Ukraine joined NATO. Another six months of warnings and a massive military build up for an invasion pressure were ignored by Ukraine, by the end of 2021 it began using Javelins and drones in combat in Donbass.
    ——

    Appendix

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm

    Brussels Summit Communiqué
    Issued by the Heads of State and Government participating in the meeting of the North Atlantic Council in Brussels 14 June 2021
    14 Jun. 2021 -|Press Release (2021) 086Issued on 14 Jun. 2021 […]

    69. We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance […].

    • Replies: @Jack D
  331. @cliff arroyo

    Ukraine Holds the Future
    The War Between Democracy and Nihilism
    By Timothy Snyder
    September/October 2022

    Discussions of democracy often begin with the ancient city-states of Greece.

    Notice that Mr. Snyder does not mention Plato’s opinion of democracy.

    The Greek legend suggests a vision of democracy as tranquility, a life of thoughtful deliberation and consumption.

    … and slave-holding.

    Fascism was quite popular—and not just in fascist countries—until the end of World War II. It was discredited only because Germany and Italy lost the war.

    Implying that Germany and Italy did not lose because they lost the war of ideas and ideals.

    Ukrainian resistance is a welcome challenge, and a needed one.

    Ukraine also provides an uplifting contemporary example of secession from an imperial central government.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-war-democracy-nihilism-timothy-snyder

  332. @aNewBanner

    This mysterious Russian deep state you are talking about doesn’t exist. All this drama about what happens to Putin if he fails to perform is likewise fiction. If you actually knew anything about the inner workings of the RF, you wouldn’t be on iSteve blabbing about it.

    Instead, Russia could just end its military operation whenever it chooses, maintain a defense unit in the Donbas and enjoy it’s economic dominance in the East along with the BRIC nations. I think they’re either icing the cake or giving Ukies hell. All this war discussion is pointless until the NATO clarifies whether or not it wants to start WWIII.

  333. Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.

    In 72 hours, it won’t be. This is no time for cheap shots. Every decent man should hold his peace; bad stuff’s about to go down.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  334. @Pixo

    Oh yeah, you’re the fed that stalks people and saves their posts from six months ago. You really need to get a life.

    • Replies: @Pixo
  335. HA says:
    @Anne Lid

    “Russia did not invade Hungary in 1956, the Soviet Union did.

    And who was it who said the breakup of the Soviet Union is the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century? (Hey, get in line Armenians, Jews, Rwandans and Gypsies — it’s not like any of you know a pain greater than MY pain. And mine is geopolitical!) What country is he from?

    Who was it that bewailed all the territories that were supposedly “orphaned by the collapse” of the Warsaw Pact? What country is he from?

    And in which country is Stalin referred to as a “superstar”?

    I’ll give you a hi… — aw, forget it. We both already know the answer. That being the case, if you want to stop being blamed for the Soviet Union, maybe stop getting nostalgic over it. If you don’t want to be regarded as a Nazi, put down the swastika T-shift and jackboots — it’s really not as hard as you make it out to be.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  336. @BB753

    It’s likely organic. Having a new Cold War with Russia is attractive for those with an ethnic hatred of the Russians and for conservatives who like having the old bad guys back. “Things might be going to hell here but at least we’re not [something, something] like Putin”.

    I’ll never stop being amazed how these conservatives forget everything they’ve learned about the West’s media, NGOs, bureaucracies and academia when they trust them on bow we got here with Russia.

    • Thanks: BB753
  337. jb says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Seriously? OK, well how would you characterize him then? Whatever term you use though, the word “white” had better figure prominently!

    (Also, a major tell that you are dealing with someone who is an unthinking zealot is that they describe those they disagree with as “either an idiot or a liar”. Just FYI).

  338. Jack D says:
    @Joe Stalin

    I think Steve realizes this and was being ironic. If your entire array of “allied forces” consists of you plus two little puppet “republics” that are 100% equipped (and mostly commanded) by you, then it’s hardly worth calling them “allied forces”.

  339. @John Johnson

    “Problems with the US government will not be solved by cheering on a Stalin type dictatorship where there are no individual or business rights. Putin can simply do as he wants.”

    I’m getting tired of people like you who insist those who take Russia’s side in the conflict against NATO encroachment into Russia’s sphere of influence believe Putin will save us from gays. I can simplify the concerns of people like myself much more accurately: Do we want Russia to be an ally or an enemy? It is inexplicable to me that the US isn’t making every effort to be on good terms with Russia.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Jack D
  340. Jack D says:
    @Sean

    Putin had one final option left that he would have to use before Ukraine joined NATO

    This is doubletalk. If Putin had an “option” to start a war (which he did) then he didn’t “have to” use it. If you “have to” do something then you have NO option. You had it right in the 1st half of the sentence – Putin had an option or a choice – to start a war or not. He chose poorly.

    All the declarations in the world don’t change the fact that Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO. The declaration was weasel worded (on purpose) – someday in the vague and indefinite future Ukraine “will become” a NATO member. Not that it has become or is becoming but someday it will, when all the stars align.

    In retrospect this was a big mistake. It should have been done the way Finland and Sweden were done – announce it as a fait accompli and immediately pledge mutual defense (or don’t announce it at all) – that way Putin would have known that he was starting WWIII fo’ real and I assume wouldn’t have invaded at all. It was done in this half-assed way because of the wish-washy allies like France and Turkey who wanted to play a double game and stay friendly with Putin. The problem is that Putin doesn’t really have any friends. If you are Putin’s friend you might fall out of a window so it’s better NOT to be his friend.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @LondonBob
  341. Russia only has 4 MISTY/IKON style satellites in orbit, of unknown (to me at least) resolving power. I assume that they are not all focused on Ukraine, even now. So you would have very considerable gaps in coverage, and NATO will have the overhead schedules down pat and can easily supply that to the Ukrainians for deception purposes. So they are not as huge of an advantage as people might think, and can in fact be a double edged sword if the enemy only shows you what they want you to see.

    The airspace over Ukraine is far too hot right now for strategic reconnaissance aircraft to survive, which is a moot point because Russia has none. So there aren’t those to fill in the gaps.

    Drones are nice but Russia (and Ukraine) have taken massive attrition of their larger drones, and the smaller ones cannot penetrate the line of departure to see how large the reserves are, or where they are grouped, so don’t really help for resolving where the main effort is going to land. Also those are really tactical assets and even in the best of times, getting all that footage analyzed at the BTR Level and disseminating it up through the chain of command is not easy. With EW/Lack of a professional cadre/anti-drone weapons/ and a focus on using the drones more for artillery direction this becomes a total non starter.

    Finally, I would imagine a large part of the Russians tactical picture is generated by HUMINT inside the battle area, civilians favoring Russia of whom there are still probably a few. But those are not trained observers, and the Ukrainians likely know where they are concentrated due to EW intercepts, which makes them another target for deception. An unusual quirk of the Soviet style forces is that their intense mechanization makes these deceptions far easier to pull off than you might think, since a BMP with 10 dismounts prepping for an attack looks the same as an empty inoperable BMP captured around Kiev and parked wherever it is valuable to the deception effort.

    And the whole success the UAF have earned here is also a great reminder that rumors of the obsolescence of the tank have been greatly exaggerated. Being able to quickly marshall and mass armor at the weak point was critical, and hard to detect before the lines were overrun.

    By my count this makes it, I believe, the fifth consecutive time that the Russians have had their ass handed to them by a rapid armored “Nazi” back hand blow blitzkrieg counterattack in the immediate vicinity of Kharkiv. Mannstein is chuckling in the grave right now

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Steve Sailer
    , @Sean
  342. Alden says:
    @Mike Tre

    And you’re one of the Men of UNZ who jumps for joy whenever a White woman is a victim of a black man criminal. And blames her for living in a city town county or state that has more that a 5 percent black population.

    BTW, more men than women are victims of crime. Because they are out and about at night more than women and not afraid to walk bike or use public transportation.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  343. Jack D says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    bad stuff’s about to go down.

    I sincerely hope you are wrong, for the sake of the Russian people as much as everyone else. Sure there are Russian hotheads saying it’s time to nuke Kyiv but I’m hoping that cooler heads will prevail. Short of that, there is nothing that Russia can do in 72 hours to reverse what has just happened.

    Otherwise, sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Things are bad enough already – no one, least of all Russia, needs WWIII. The Soviets were bad but you have to give them credit that they carefully avoided starting a nuclear war.

    I believe that the cooler heads will include, believe it or not, Putin. Putin is not some insane Hitler. Putin thought that he was making a rational play for Ukraine, that he was the ultimate cold eyed realist. He badly miscalculated (in part because he was acting on poor information – he didn’t realize that he had a Potemkin army and that the fix was NOT in inside Ukraine and in part because he underestimated the resolve of the West) but that doesn’t make him nuts. It just means that he made a poor bet. When a rational player makes a poor bet, at some point he cuts his losses and does NOT double down. Putin’s KGB training was to remain cool and rational and not to respond emotionally like some woman or Arab. After his defeat in March (if anything, worse than the defeat just now), he didn’t nuke Kyiv. Rather, he wisely trimmed his publicly announced goals from regime change (“denazification”) to capturing Luhansk and Donetsk.

    Putin controls the narrative pretty well in Russia – a few more Russian war bloggers might have to commit “suicide” but otherwise he has the narrative pretty well under his control. So any defeat can be spun as victory. Russia is just advancing to the rear, blah, blah, blah. There is no need to panic or nuke Kyiv or Washington. Just change the goals to something else and say that these were ALWAYS the goals. It worked once already and can work again.

    The old joke was that Hitler goes to a fortune teller and asks on what day he will die. The gypsy tells him, “You will die on a Jewish holiday.” Hitler asks, “But which holiday?” and the gypsy replies “ANY day that you die will be a Jewish holiday.”

    It’s going to be the same with this war in Russia. Any fortune teller can tell you that this war will end with victory for Russia. But how will it end? It makes no difference, because whatever terms it ends on will be (portrayed as) a victory for Russia. So Putin doesn’t have to worry about “losing” the war – it’s impossible in Russian terms.

  344. Jack D says:
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    On the flip side, it appears that (or at least the US is taking credit that) the Ukrainians received and relied upon very detail US intelligence in planning their offensive:’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/10/us/politics/ukraine-military-intelligence.html

    I am guess that, aside from high res satellite imagery, (and aside from the detailed humint that the Ukrainians were probably getting from their local partisan forces) the US has the ability to intercept and decrypt RU communications at all levels. The Russians rely on Western chips and there are probably back doors in everything that they have. They are so pwned that they don’t even know how pnwed they are.

    Among the goodies that the Ukrainians captured in the past couple of days was a pristine Russian Orlan drone still in its packing case and with a complete set of manuals (a surprisingly thick set of books). They have shot down numerous Orlans before so the mostly laughable contents (an off the shelf Canon digital SLR as the main optic, a soda bottle as the gas tank, a Japanese model airplane motor) were already no secret but I’m sure that the manuals will be on their way to Washington soon if they haven’t been sent already. I’m sure we can already make these things fall like stones out of the sky but with enough reverse engineering it should be possible to take control of them, beam back fake images, etc.

  345. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    This is a cheap shot. The break up of the SU was not a trauma free event. Admitting the trauma is not the same as wanting to restore the soviet system.
    Realising that Hitler was nothing like we were told doesn’t make one a murderous antisemite either.
    It is stupefying how Putin is made out to be a cartoonish, mythical evil. Destroy this mad brute!

    • Replies: @HA
  346. Jack D says:
    @Unintended Consequence

    You are assuming your conclusion – who says that Ukraine is part of Russia’s “sphere of influence” to begin with? Do the Ukrainians have any say in the matter? Russia has historically been a very bad neighbor, going back to Czarist times and not just under the Communists – they always seek to “Russify” their neighbors and suppress native culture because they think that Russian culture is superior. Accordingly, Russia’s neighbors (Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc. – even the Germans) mostly try to do everything they can, whenever they can escape Russia’s tender embrace, to put themselves OUTSIDE of Russia’s “sphere of influence”. Who can blame the Ukrainians for wanting to do the same?

    Hence the famous painting (based on an actual phot0) on the Berlin Wall of Honecker engaged in a ” socialist fraternal” (i.e. NOT gay, definitely not gay) kiss with Brezhnev:

    The caption reads (in Russian and in German), “My God, Help Me to Survive This Deadly Love”.

    A prayer that Ukrainians have certainly been uttering since February.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @216
  347. jill says:
    @PhysicistDave

    So if you have a concealed carry permit, the FBI does not have to show you the search warrant?

    “Trump lawyer John Eastman quickly sued to retrieve his phone from the Justice Department, lodging a litany of complaints that the department termed “professorial” but unmoored from legal precedents. Among them: Eastman claimed that the FBI agents didn’t show him the search warrant until after it had taken his phone — a fact the Justice Department said had no legal merit, and was warranted given Eastman’s possession of a concealed-carry permit.”

    Oh and the Inspector General, you know the guy who can’t investigate anyone who leaves the FBI or Justice Department because they are no longer employed by them, just had his authority expanded

    “The inspector general has authority to pursue evidence from private parties if it relates to potential “criminal wrongdoing that adversely affects the Department.”

    and this part does not even make any sense

    “In the movant’s (Eastmans) professorial view, he should have been provided a copy of the warrant prior to its execution, and then apparently given time (minutes? hours?) to read and analyze it so that he ‘would have been able to call the officer’s attention to the several constitutional infirmities evident on the face of the warrant, thus preventing the unconstitutional seizure in the first place,’” DOJ noted, “all while agents stood in a parking lot, in an open-carry state, knowing that the movant was authorized to carry a concealed weapon.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/08/doj-pushes-against-eastman-cellphone-00050419

  348. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    Putin had one final option left that he would have to use before Ukraine joined NATO

    This is doubletalk. If Putin had an “option” to start a war (which he did) then he didn’t “have to” use it. If you “have to” do something then you have NO option. You had it right in the 1st half of the sentence – Putin had an option or a choice – to start a war or not. He chose poorly.

    Your assertions are mutually contradictory. With Ukraine getting closer and closer to Nato, Putin had one final option left that he would have to use if he wanted to be sure of stopping Ukraine joining NATO; yes, and as you advocate it ought to have been as a fait accompli without warning you are trying to have your cake and eat it by also saying Putin had nothing to worry about. Going to war against semi US ally Ukraine was a hardly a course of action Putin gladly seized upon, yet in the absence of a more palatable alternative means to his end, if he wanted to be sure he would not wake up one morning and find there was a new delegation in Brussels he was out of alternatives. I would characterise it as an act of desperation.

    All the declarations in the world don’t change the fact that Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO

    America has a lot of pull in Nato unless you haven’t noticed ,and who is to say what Germany might agree to rather that pay their own defence costs were the US the say they would cease to shoulder that burden while Germany continued to block Ukraine getting in Nato. Use of limited military force in 2014 had not worked to stop Ukraine aligning ever closer with the West (America), and the election of a new Ukrainian president on an on admittedly nebulous but unmistakable peace platform had raise then left Russia’s–and others– diplomatic hopes in tatters after Zelensky was transformed into a fire eating nationalist in order to outdo Poroshenko. Ukraine using drones and other advances weapons in Donbass was steadily weakening the Russian speaking rebel position, and with the water supply inadequate Crimea was also in trouble.

    It was done in this half-assed way because of the wish-washy allies like France and Turkey who wanted to play a double game and stay friendly with Putin. The problem is that Putin doesn’t really have any friends. If you are Putin’s friend you might fall out of a window so it’s better NOT to be his friend.

    You’ve been reading Killer in the Kremlin, but Russian die of alcoholic poisoning a lot. Europeans are more wary of a Europe being used as a thermonuclear battlefield that Americans are for what ought to be obvious reasons.

  349. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D

    A senior Hamas delegation is in Moscow as we speak, “The Russian Foreign Ministry has requested that this visit last a few days. The purpose is to discuss the future of bilateral relations in order to aid the Palestinian cause.”

    To say nothing of how much this conflict has weakened the US in global standing, China and India are going their own way, Iran has been greatly strengthened, Turkey and Syria are mending relations, even Saudi Arabia and Iran are.

    Things will get really ugly in Europe economically and you know who we will blame for that…

    Seems like you chaps have made a grievous error, declining Jewish intellect perhaps? Tactical errors happen, it is the strategic ones that matter.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @David Davenport
  350. LondonBob says:
    @Jack D

    Jack D even managing to alienate Sean, like Israel you are standing alone. Obviously Russia has friends, Israel only has countries whose leaders stayed over at Epstein’s place for the night, it works, for certain amount of time.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  351. Sean says:
    @GeologyAnonMk6

    And the whole success the UAF have earned here is also a great reminder that rumors of the obsolescence of the tank have been greatly exaggerated. Being able to quickly marshall and mass armor at the weak point was critical, and hard to detect before the lines were overrun.

    But tanks as the defensive weapon of choice against breaching attacks by tanks is not very impressive in this war. It is no longer true that a tank is the best thing to fight a tank with.

    By my count this makes it, I believe, the fifth consecutive time that the Russians have had their ass handed to them by a rapid armored “Nazi” back hand blow blitzkrieg counterattack in the immediate vicinity of Kharkiv. Mannstein is chuckling in the grave right now

    The danger posed by Ukraine’s armed forces to the Donbass rebel republics (and Crimea) was not negligible then. So was Putin so mistaken that the correlation of forces was inexorably moving against him, and he had nothing to gain by waiting?

  352. Anne Lid says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I cannot define eternity. After we die there is another type of existence and according to the Christian faith at the end of our age Christ will raise all the dead and judge them.
    What we do here matters.

  353. @LondonBob

    Let me know when Russia’s friend Belarus becomes Russia’s ally in doing any fighting in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Anon
  354. The Ukrainian propaganda web discussed an attack on Melitopol, some troops were sent to the attack line for Mariupol but the NASA Fire map says they are en route to Berdyansk. So yet another feint. Russian generals now have 5 options for despatching their reserves.

    See map below MORE

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Jack D
  355. @michael droy

    Russia was trying to take Kyiv with special forces. The 25,000 troops were back up. Russia expected to be popular in Ukraine.

    The Russian airforce is not going to be replaced for 30 years. Every plane lost is a plus for China.

  356. Mike Tre says:
    @Alden

    “And you’re one of the Men of UNZ who jumps for joy whenever a White woman is a victim of a black man criminal. ”

    And I challenge you to find one comment that I have made as proof of that claim. Until then you’re just a liar.

  357. Jack D says:
    @LondonBob

    This is just Russian shit-stirring – they think that if they can get the West focused on Gaza then it will take their attention away from Ukraine. Sorry, Russia, we can walk and chew gum.

    Alternatively, this was a quid pro-quo from the Iranians for supplying the Russians with drones.

    Alternative #3, Russia is trying to put together a coalition of the shittiest people on earth – themselves, the Belarusians, the Iranians, the N. Koreans and now they can add Hamas to their list. They should put out an ad: “Are you a shitty nation? So are we! Come join our Coalition of the Shitty! You don’t even need indoor plumbing in your country in order to join! (Hint – India we are talking to you!).

    Israel really made every effort to maintain good relations with Russia but Russia for some reason seems bound and determined to alienate everyone who is not shitty. Send out your foreign minister to make gratuitous remarks that Hitler was himself Jewish. Slip Abramovich a bit of poison.

    I don’t know what causes this, but people who treat the Jews poorly tend to come to no good end. Nazi Germany, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, etc. So I really don’t understand why Putin is trying this now. Generally speaking he had good relations with Jews and with Israel his whole life. Maybe it’s another sign of his mental decline.

  358. Jack D says:
    @Philip Owen

    Russia tried to open up a 1200 mile front with maybe 200,000 troops – do the math. Add to that the fact that maybe 70,000 out of the original 200,000 (if not more) are either dead or wounded or not in mental or physical condition to fight and you can see that the Russians are spread pretty thin.

    Their “reserves” are made up of recently created forces made up of old guys and survivors of destroyed units and criminals and guys who have been press ganged off the streets of the DPR, etc. – a really sorry looking bunch. And no one knows yet how many Russians are dead or taken prisoner in the Kharkiv offensive and how much of their gear is now in Ukrainian hands. And maybe 20,000 are now trapped in Kherson. If the Ukrainians can get the remaining ones split 5 ways then it becomes very difficult. Once you factor all this stuff in you can see why the Kharkiv front just folded like a cheap suit.

  359. Mr. Anon says:
    @Alden

    The safest hours are between 3:30 and noon? Evidently not. In a dangerous city, it’s never really safe.

    I’m not blaming the poor woman who was murdered. But a lot of women seem to think they are invincible. They are not. Nobody is. There is a reason why women are called the weaker sex. Because they are, on average, physically weaker. All those butt-kicking babe movies are lies.

    The women of Alden act hysterically whenever somebody suggests that women might behave in some stereotypical way, like – for instance – being prone to hysteria. The women of Alden should chill.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  360. meh says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    However, I will continue to root for the Russians, not because I have anything against the Ukrainians, but because the Ukrainians are supported by my enemy, the neocons, who, of course, couldn’t care less about the Ukrainians.

    I also continue to find it puzzling that Steve has such feelings toward the Ukrainian people fighting oppression, while finding white identity politics – the only thing that will prevent American whites from being oppressed – the worst thing ever.

    Loyalty to NATO (N-words And Trannies Organization) is treason to Europe and to the White race, full stop.

    Steve and a lot of the HBD/IQ fetishist crowd have never been pro-white, they are just status quo supporters, or rather status quo ante supporters. They want to stop things where they are, or push things back to something like the status of things when they were kids, i.e. this is just Boomer conservatism or Boomer libertarianism; any attempt to address root causes or to examine the actual nature of who has power and why, is verboten because asking those questions leads inevitably to WN/NS, which is of course the worse thing ever, because the TV has told them so all of their lives, and that kind of childhood brainwashing is extremely difficult to overcome.

    They are at bottom liberals and any attempt to question liberalism as such is unthinkable; hence their critiques of neo-liberalism are always going to stop short of any kind of meaningful critique. If they can manage any kind of critique at all.

    A thorough reading and understanding of Carl Schmitt and embrace of the friend/enemy distinction would do them good but that is never going to happen. Steve is forever giving his enemies the benefit of the doubt, and trying to play the “good cop” in an imagined game of good cop/bad cop, but as he is never going to cooperate or acknowledge the validity of his “bad cop” (us) in the first place, he’s left exposed and stranded in no man’s land with no actual ability to do anything at all. Good cop/bad cop only works when the “good” cop is actually working hand-in-glove with the “bad” cop, and Steve is never going to do that.

    No one should be surprised at Steve’s bizarre takes on Ukraine. Steve was never on our side to begin with – he is at best a gateway to us when he isn’t acting as a gatekeeper against us. He’s never going to point you in any realistic direction that leads out of the slow genocide we are currently mired in.

    I’m younger than Steve but still old enough to remember the Cold War. Some people simply cannot break out of the Cold War mindset even though we are in a completely different era; Russia is not the USSR. Putin is not Stalin. The people who made the USSR a horror show are no longer ruling Russia; they are currently ruling us, here in the West, and it shows. Some people just can’t wrap their minds around these facts.

    These people below can, but I won’t link to them for fear of komment kontrol. You can figure it out.

    nationaljusticeparty dot com

    therightstuff dot biz

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Joe Stalin
  361. HA says:
    @Anne Lid

    “The break up of the SU was not a trauma free event.”

    Yeah, I’m sure the Poles and Latvians and Slovaks were “traumatized” to have been so cruelly “orphaned” by the Warsaw Pact disappearing. Oh, the trauma!

    “It is stupefying how Putin is made out to be a cartoonish, mythical evil.”

    Not as stupefying as the number of loons on this site who willingly choose to slather themselves in RT propaganda so as to believe in Putin’s cartonish, mythical benevolence. (Which makes them far more culpable than the Russians themselves, who have little other choice.) “Oh, he’s just really, really worried about civilian casualties, I tell ya — that’s why he’s moving so slow. What other explanation could there be?” How much you want to bet that that KGB-plant Kiril — you know, the one with all the gold watches — tries to elevate Putin into a saint like that Nkolai II you admire so much? Then again, if your admiration extends to the likes of Putin, who keeps a strip club in his Presidential Palace as he plots the invasion of a country whose borders Russia had agreed to honor, it doesn’t mean much.

    But evil aside, right about now I see him more as Keystone Kop Numero Uno. Years from now, maybe we’ll be seeing memes about what just happened, kind of like Internet-Hitler getting mad at Kanye. Tomorrow, when his goons go back to raining hellfire down on civilian populations in Odessa and Kharkiv, the cartoonish, mythical evil will again predominate.

    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anne Lid
  362. @jb

    Notice that you never addressed the point that I made.

    It’s amusing how you guys always use the same playbook. So tiresome. Hasbara isn’t sending their best these days – or, more frighteningly for your side – they are.

    • Replies: @jb
  363. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @wj

    There is a parallel, in that just as Russia feels threatened by the prospect of NATO armies in Ukraine, so Israel feels threatened by the Russian armies in Syria. Let NATO stay out of Ukraine and let Russia stay out of the Middle East. Everybody will then be happy.

  364. Anonymous[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @James B. Shearer

    Yes, Russians mainly use the railway system to get around. The road system is comparatively limited. This is probably for military reasons. If an invader comes, railways are easier to sabotage than roads.

  365. @anon

    Well, perhaps it wasn’t a real country back then. I’m no expert on Ukrainian history.

    But it is now.

    That is only relevant to history as measured in months and centuries, not years or decades. Ukraine is like every other country between France and Russia: the borders have shifted frequently over the years, often immensely; countries like Poland have even come, go and come again (and of course, even France and Russia get occasional ‘adjustments’).

    Ukraine is similar to other countries which arouse from remnants of the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire – Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia come to mind. They were “real countries” while they had a certain momentum, right until they weren’t. They broke up along ethnic, religious, and linguistic distinctions of the aggregated peoples under their flags. There are “real” ethnic Ruthenian, Roman Catholic Ukrainians in the Western regions of the state (the Hapsburg part of what became Ukraine). The Eastern regions are ethnically, linguistically, and religiously affiliated with Russia (the Romanov part of what became Ukraine). It seems like so much of what is happening is either a continuation of the Post Cold War trend, or a return to 19th Century Great Power games, or perhaps an amalgam of both. It’s difficult to imagine the current hysteria which has increased the likelihood of a chain of events which could end in a nuclear exchange without the freak out about Trump and Russia and the 2016 Election. It would perhaps be the stupidest imaginable reason for the end of human civilization.

  366. @LondonBob

    To say nothing of how much this conflict has weakened the US in global standing

    Bob, I disagree with that.

    Recall the wisdom of Osama bin Laden: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they want to go with the strong horse.”

    Global standing = the stronger horse.

  367. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    That is great thinking to secure an ongoing future for the people of Ukraine of flourishing in their homeland with health services, generous maternity leave and allowances ECT in order to prevent them being replaced even faster than natives in the wealthiest countries of the West.

    What do you mean by this?

    • Replies: @Sean
  368. Jack D says:
    @HA

    Which makes them far more culpable than the Russians themselves, who have little other choice.

    I disagree with that part – Putin seems genuinely popular among Russians (as was Stalin). Russians are like abused women – the fact that their man beats them shows how much he cares about them. He only beats them because he cares so deeply. And your pimp is the biggest, baddest pimp who will protect you from the other dudes out there who want to hurt you even more and don’t even love you like he does.

    • Replies: @HA
  369. @Alden

    How many blacks have you shot?

    None, but unlike the pussy MEN OF UNZ I sent about 10,000 black criminals maximum terms in state prison over 27 years.

    And how were you able to do that? That’s right:

    MEN OF GUNZ

    • Replies: @Alden
  370. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Nukes are great defensive weapons but Russia didn’t really need any more defense – no one was going to invade them anyway.

    China will invade them, for their land and other resources.

  371. Curle says:
    @John Johnson

    “That is how he launched a massive war without even a debate.”

    Why are we talking about Abraham Lincoln?

  372. @216

    ‘The defeat of the Russians assuredly means a Portugal 1975 style coup that puts a liberal regime in charge of the last remaining illiberal state in Europe.’

    Lol. Something like what happened in Germany after Versailles then?

    People need to wrap their heads around something. Russia is not going to go away. Nor is she going to stop being Russia. You want Hitlerski, you can get Hitlerski. Keep it up.

    • Replies: @216
  373. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Let me know when Russia’s friend Belarus becomes Russia’s ally in doing any fighting in Ukraine.

    Your attitude toward this situation seems to be, “Might makes right.”

  374. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @meh

    Steve’s citizenism is the only viable strategy for stopping the slow genocide.

    A thorough reading and understanding of Carl Schmitt and embrace of the friend/enemy distinction would do them good but that is never going to happen.

    Please recommend some specific writings or page numbers of this individual.

  375. @meh

    Entertainment.

  376. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “Russians are like abused women – the fact that their man beats them shows how much he cares about them.”

    Yeah, that’s a fair point. Scratch a person who worships power, and what you’re likely to find is a sniveling little toady who exults in having Mr. Powerful’s boot stamped into his face forever.

    The Russia that Custine found upon arrival was virtually stagnant, and oppressive. Before long, Custine found his admiration for absolute monarchy waning. Custine believed that man must be led by either fear or persuasion, and, in the case of Russia, he found them led by fear.

    His view of their history depicted them first as slaves to conquerors, and then to their rulers. Hence, bondage became a constituent principle of Russian society, and all discourse became an expression of religious and political hypocrisy, for all was dictated from above.

    About as true 200 years ago as it is today, alas.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  377. @Anonymous

    Yes, because it’s been so successful for the last 30 years.

    Citizenism – Libertarianism – is a way to hide and feel morally superior for being a coward.

  378. @Anonymous

    Whites should show the same loyalty to Somalis because of words on a piece of paper. That’s the hill you want to die on. Seriously.

    This is why Citizenism is a joke. Thank you for proving my point.

    Also, of there’s no such thing as a people, how do you morally argue against limiting immigration? You guys are a joke. You’re as bad as Libertarians, probably because that’s what you are.

    • Replies: @216
    , @James B. Shearer
  379. 216 says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    The only fashion in which Russian defeat doesn’t lead to a Portuguese-style coup is if the PRC engineers its own coup that sees Putin replaced in the same manner like Khrushchev.

    Russia is a demographically weak country, it cannot engage in revanche without a sustained increase in its birth rates to Israeli levels. Which the Third Reich did not manage to accomplish.

  380. 216 says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Do the Ukrainians have any say in the matter?

    No, I would advocate an immediate invasion of Canada or Mexico were they to join the PRC led SCO bloc. The Trudeau government has been so disturbingly close to the PRC that we are justified in overthrowing it via a coup.

    There is an informal agreement that Cuba isn’t allowed to host a Sevastopol size PRC/RU naval base in exchange for not being invaded.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  381. 216 says: • Website
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Western lands don’t exist in a vacuum. Creating a lower class of citizenship, or stripping citizenship on ethnic grounds will come at a heavy cost. At a minimum, sanctions. At the maximum we might catch a few nukes.

    Even imposing an immigration moratorium will lead to howls of diplomatic protest, sanctions/travel bans, and possible retaliatory nationalizations.

    To say nothing of the fact that far-left blocs in the West consider any immigration limits to be immoral, and might start a terrorism campaign, in addition to the multitude of sub-national jurisdictions that don’t enforce the existing immigration law.

    • Replies: @bomag
  382. @Triteleia Laxa

    My sweet little buddy Triteleia Laxa wrote to me:

    Hey Doormat Dave, Putin was never going to fix your remorse for all of the humiliation you half-recognise feeling you have inflicted on yourself during your life, but now he is losing badly and will be removed by the Russian people to be replaced by rapprochement with the West. I guarantee it.

    So who will you latch onto next and use as avatar for your later life crisis?

    Oh, little Trit, you know how it always brightens my day to read your cheery little comments.

    But one thing you might want to keep in mind: modern infrastructure — power plants, water and sewage treatment plants, bridges, etc. — are very much “soft targets” for modern weapons systems.

    Putin has not yet chosen to knock those out all across Ukraine.

    But he can, any time the mood strikes him.

    Are you in Ukraine, Trit? Might be a good time to get out. Or are you in Western Europe? Might be a good time to get our of there, too. Gonna get kinda cold soon there, I hear.

    I hear Uruguay is very nice this time of year.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  383. @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:

    If the people of New Mexico decided to split and declare they were joining Mexico you would be fine with that?

    Yes, of course I would be fine with that — just as I was fine with the break-up of the Soviet Union (well, actually, I loved the break-up of the Soviet Union), with Brexit, with the break-up of Czechoslovakia, etc.

    In fact, I favor the break-up of the USA into its fifty constituent states. But I do not think the US military will tolerate it.

    Secession today, secession tomorrow, secession forever!

    I just love it when maps change: I am a bit of a map freak.

    But anyway the Donbass did not secede from the existing Ukrainian government: the Kiev region did.

    The Donbass just chose not to go along.

    JJ also asked me:

    If this is all about Donbass then why didn’t Putin make territorial demands instead of launching a war? Why attack Kiev?

    Maybe because Kiev was attacking the Donbass and the Donbass republics requested Russian aid?

    Anyway, that was a feint to draw away Nazi forces from the Donbass.

    JJ also wrote:

    Putin originally claimed the war was about NATO and then switched to Donbass after they were unable to take Kiev.

    The Kremlin has been focused on both the Donbass and the American Empire Occupying Europe (AKA NATO) for years.

    Putin can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @Craken
  384. @John Johnson

    John Johnson wrote to me:

    I voted against Biden and he has a term limit. When will the Russian people be able to vote against Putin?

    The election is scheduled for 2024: Putin has stood for election several times, you know.

    Russians seem to like him.

    JJ also wrote:

    Biden can’t pass any law he wants as seen by the fact that AR-15s are still legal. Putin started a war on his own and can pass anything he wants.

    As opposed to US Presidents who have never, ever started a war without the Congressional Declaration of War envisioned by the Constitution?

    And did you see what Biden did with the student loan debt, which he himself admitted a year ago was unconstitutional? Fascist Joe is a self-confessed dictator.

    JJ also wrote:

    Government overreach in the US is not comparable. No one gets 15 years for calling the war a war.

    No, they go to jail for pointing out that the 2020 election was a fraud: look at what the Deep State is doing to January 6 protesters who did not even enter the Capitol (follow Julie Kelly’s reporting at American Greatness).

    You live under a dictatorship.

    Or what they did to Gen. Mike Flynn, when he was just doing his job. Ruined his life, he lost his home, the crooked little fascist judge wouldn’t end it even when DoJ admitted they had screwed up.

    You live in a dictatorship.

    But you lack the courage to face that reality.

    Because then you might feel guilty about not acting like a man.

  385. @HA

    My little Hasbara pal HA wrote to me:

    [Dave] “She thought she could ‘glue it,’ that she could make it ‘stick.’”

    [HA]You forgot the part about having “the UN help glue it”. When it comes to parsing your blather, it’s always about what you choose to omit, it? And hey, isn’t Russia itself a part of the UN?

    Yes, Nuland clearly thought that she was so powerful that she could bend the UN to her will.

    She was probably right: after all, the US and UK put the UN together after WW II to try to maintain Anglo-American world hegemony. Usually, it has worked.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    I.e., if this is your idea of how a “coup” is carried out, it’s as loony as the rest of your warped world-view.

    Yes, that is indeed how coups work: read some history, HA –from the assassination of Julius Caesar to the coup that overthrew the king of Serbia in 1903 to the CIA’s overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran in 1953 to the various “color revolutions” that the US Deep State has pulled off, this is how coups work.

    You surreptitiously line up the various parties ahead of time — get your ducks in a row, as we say — and then you move.

    And, after all, it did work in 2014 in Ukraine. Nuland got what she planned.

    It’s hilariously funny that you want to deny this when we all know it actually did happen.

    We saw it on television, little buddy.

    The one difference here is that Nuland is so stupid that she used an unencrypted line to plot the coup!

    Gut-wrenchingly hilarious! They need to do a special sequel of The Spy Who Shagged Me starring Nuland.

    So this is the one case in which we actually have an audio recording of part of the plotting of the coup.

    But the funniest thing of all is that you want to pretend it did not happen when this is the one case where we have an audio recording!

    I hope you are paid well for lying, HAsbara, because it is clearly very hard work!

    • Replies: @HA
  386. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Ukraine is going to end up importing non Europeans, that is what Western economists will prescribe for reconstruction. Meanwhile they will suffer mass emigration of the young and a continuing low birthrate

  387. @PhysicistDave

    Such rage, Dave! I’m proud of you. You finally got it out, minus the “I just want to stop the killing” self-delusion.

    Scratch the doormat, get the nasty little sadist, gloating over how Ukrainian children might freeze to death, because the Ukrainians made Putin look stupid.

    Next step: you admitting to yourself this isn’t really about geopolitics at all. Its all you, Dave, your life, and how you relate to yourself. The subject of the rage is the same as the object. “Cold, rational” Putin, freezing Ukrainian children and “sly, lying” West are all just you.

    Good luck!

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  388. jb says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    What? You made no point! Your entire comment consisted of this:

    If you think that Z Man is a white nationalist, you’re either an idiot ot a liar.

    So I politely asked how you would characterize him, if not as a white nationalist. That seems like an entirely fair question, and not a particularly difficult one. Do you have an answer?

    • LOL: EH
  389. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    I have already mentioned how the communist elite saved themselves and their contacts and reinvented themselves as liberals. The naive joy we felt at the so called fall of communism was rather short lived. A lot of children could have born but weren’t, because only gypsies bring babies into hovels.
    Even Putin had a side hustle to make ends meet.

    I have no idea what kind of strip club you are talking about. It’s the White House that had gay hookers, pizza parties, torture porn livestreams. What else they have now I don’t have the stomach to find out.

    The civilians will suffer, but it is not Putin’s fault. It is the fault of those who forced him into a corner.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @HA
  390. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anne Lid

    A lot of children could have born but weren’t, because only gypsies bring babies into hovels.

    What do you mean? What children could have been born and why weren’t they?

  391. HA says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    “Meanwhile, what kind of false peace are you prophesying, HAnaniah?”

    I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure Jeremiah wasn’t a craven hypocrite who refused to live up to his own rhetoric. And no one said the West doesn’t need reforming. You think Sailer ever said that? No, I’m just not genuflecting to Moscow or Beijing the way PhysicistDave is and screaming about how the killing must stop to everyone but the guy with the strip club who actually ordered the killing to commence, and could stop it tomorrow. Talk about a false peace.

    I see that it has now been 24 hours since your 72-hour prophecy was proclaimed, marking the point at which Ukraine will no longer be a “real country” because “bad stuff’s about to go down.” Based on what my elderly neighbor tells me, I’m better off sticking with Sister Lucia, not to mention Jeremiah, but I guess we’re about to see how well you match up to them. So far, we’ve seen a 3 hour power outage, but from what I can tell, Ukraine still seems more or less as real as it was before.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  392. HA says:
    @PhysicistDave

    “She was probably right…”

    All right, then. Put a pin in it. Unlike Putin, Nuland seems to have recovered from her embarrassing amateurish bungling in the matter of properly vetting her offices for electronic surveillance, and had the last (or at least the latest) laugh on your guy. And like you Putinoids are always telling us, when faced with a clearly superior opponent, it’s best just to cave in and accept whatever awful terms are being dictated to you, as opposed to expending yourself in futile resistance that clearly isn’t working.

    Time to take a swig of your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  393. HA says:
    @Anne Lid

    “I have no idea what kind of strip club you are talking about.”

    I know this internet thing must be hard for you, but really, how difficult would it have been to type “strip club Putin” into a search engine? Do it in incognito/private mode of you feel bashful, but really it’s not that onerous.

    And I don’t quite see why Putin’s need to take a side hustle once the Soviet Union fell means it was some tragedy. I mean, the guy was some kind of mid-level KGB hack, was he not? So yeah, he and any number of government drones might have had to look for other means of employment. Big deal. I’m sure Nazi guards had to find other ways to earn a buck, too, once the Third Reich fell. As inconvenient as that must have been for them, it doesn’t mean that collapse was tragic.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  394. Jack D says:
    @216

    There is an informal agreement that Cuba isn’t allowed to host a Sevastopol size PRC/RU naval base in exchange for not being invaded.

    Really? At its peak during the Cold War over 1,500 Russians staffed the Lourdes listening base in Cuba (90 miles from Key West). Russia paid Cuba a \$200 million annual rent from 1962 to 2002 for the base that covered 28 square miles. This was a LOT like the Sevastopol base that Russia used to lease from Ukraine until they just seized it and stopped paying rent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_SIGINT_station

    A lot of people here say that the US would never permit the Russians to have a base right on our borders (not that the US was proposing to build any bases in Ukraine anyway) but in fact we did just that because Cuba is a sovereign country and the Russians having a base there did not give us the right to invade.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  395. Jack D says:
    @HA

    Fortunately, ID’s “bad stuff will happen” prediction was sufficiently Nostradamus like and vague that he will always be able to point to something that makes it true.

    When the Rushists have made specific predictions (e.g. that the Russians would retake Balakliya in short order with an artillery counterattack) they have proven to be laughably wrong – by the time of their predicted counterattack Balakliya wasn’t even in artillery range anymore. So better to keep it vague.

    • Replies: @HA
  396. @HA

    Yeah, that’s a fair point. Scratch a person who worships power, and what you’re likely to find is a sniveling little toady who exults in having Mr. Powerful’s boot stamped into his face forever.

    That’s straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon, and not the way the world works. The reality is that these people will snivel and toady up to the point that they gain supreme power. Then they will eliminate anyone to whom they had to kiss up on the way. That was Xi Jinping’s route to power. He was viewed as inoffensive and unambitious. Then he took power and swept away all the humiliations, petty and otherwise, he encountered on his journey to the throne.

    https://archive.ph/wyIZM

    • Replies: @HA
  397. Alden says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Very, very easy; I was the person who wrote the sentencing reports.

    I always did a point by point refutation of what I knew the defense attorney would say to recommend alternative to prison community counselors. So I proved that the alternatives weren’t feasible or were an absolute lie. I recommended maximum terms in state prison and the judges always agreed. I wrote the reports and the judges did what I recommended. Off to maximum terms in state prison.

    Kept them isolate from normal people for a few years. So they could not commit crimes in the county for which I worked.

    That’s how I did it.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  398. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “he will always be able to point to something that makes it true.”

    I’m guessing he’ll default to “it never was a real country to begin with, so I win!”, but who knows? He might get “lucky” and tens of thousands of civilians could die a horrid death in the next 48 hours so as to allow him to gloat in gleeful vindication over how that now means that Ukraine is no longer a real country for whatever reason. In a Russian stooge’s heart, the copium is endless, which means tomorrow — and the opportunity for even more brutal mayhem and carnage — is always only a day away (or in his case, 48 more hours, give or take).

  399. Anne Lid says:

    I am sure our beloved host has a blog entry somewhere analysing the deaths of despair and the population loss just from unborn children (abortions, plus the children never conceived because of poverty). Effects comparable to a war.

    Are you going to link a rag about Trump ordering hookers to piss on the bed, too? You are not even trying to be believable.

    Come to think, I have a relative who wouldn’t mind having that pole in her house. She puts short vids of herself pole dancing on social media. She works in a factory and always does something athletic for fun. She is a Jehova’s witness.

    You promised me a strip club. It was a pole and some pillows on the ground.

    • Replies: @HA
  400. Alden says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The MEN OF UNZ should cease from rejoicing every time a White women is murdered raped or injured by a black man.

    And definitely cease from blaming the victim because she lives in Tennessee ( Deborah Staggs) lives in a city (Eliza Fletcher). wasn’t armed, didn’t have bars on all her windows and a burglar alarm, parked her car on the street, in a parking lot, took public transport, walked higher biked skateboarded walked the dog etc.

    When I was a probation officer I heard the same MEN OF UNZ blame the victim …. from every black criminal , their defense attorneys and the NGO alternative to incarceration counselors.

    It’s all the victim’s fault. Shouldna walked home from the restaurant shoukdna work a late shift shouldna work in that neighborhood wha fo she expet cayun uh bi pus shouldna carry a big purse.

    The MEN of UNZ claim to be anti crime. But their blame the victim vicious hatred is identical to what’s heard from defense counsel in every criminal courtroom every day.

    All the MEN OF UNZ can’t live high in the Appalachian mountains or Rockies or Sierras far from black criminals. But every time there’s a black on White crime story you do the big fat black mama of the defendant or alternative sentencing community counseling …..

    The MEN of UNZ defend black criminals. Just read the MEN OF UNZ comments on every black on White crime article. Some people believe that Whites have equal rights to live work walk jog drive use buses bike and skateboard in the cities where we live and support with our taxes.

    That’s all.

  401. Alden says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “ But a lot of women seem to think they are invincible.” Perhaps, but every year, in every country in the world including the USA there are far more men victims of crime than women. Especially street crime.

    By your ignorance of crime statistics it follows that far more men than women are so stupid that they venture out into public streets where they are targeted by black criminals.

    Exactly when do you think it’s safe to be out in public in any town that has more than a 15 percent black population??

  402. Anon7 says:
    @Anon7

    For the first time yesterday, the Russians directly attacked Ukrainian infrastructure, blacking out a large portion of the country in and around Kharkiv. This analyst seems to agree that this shows that Russia is rethinking its “special military operation” title and legal justification.

    About half of Ukrainian railroads run on electricity; Ukrainian troops make extensive use of these railways to move troops and materiel.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  403. Anne Lid says:
    @HA

    418 was for you. Apologies for messing up the reply button.

  404. @Jack D

    Where did you get the notion that he is a Putinist? You and few other otherwise intelligent commenters should lose the hysterics.

  405. HA says:
    @Johann Ricke

    “The reality is that these people will snivel and toady up to the point that they gain supreme power.

    Again, a fair point, but I would say those are the exceptions, and for every cunning social-climber who curries favor with his superiors in order to eventually usurp and annihilate them, there are legions who happily indulge in the permanency and stability that that foot-in-the-face-forever provides and are content to stay there. As Custine noted, Russia seemed to him to be full of them, but it’s probably fair to say that France and other similar areas of Western Europe were actually the real outliers, and that what he saw in Russia was just how much of the rest of the world had traditionally operated.

  406. @Alden

    Very, very easy; I was the person who wrote the sentencing reports.

    Yes, Alden, but how did they come under the physical control of the justice system? Entirely voluntarily, in an act of contrition?

    Or— were they compelled by MEN OF GUNZ ?

  407. HA says:
    @Anne Lid

    “I am sure our beloved host has a blog entry somewhere analysing the deaths of despair and the population loss just from unborn children (abortions, plus the children never conceived because of poverty). Effects comparable to a war.”

    As I recall, he earned headlines refuting the Freakonomics guys who argued that abortion reduced crime, so there’s that.

    In any case, your whataboutism doesn’t impress me. Let’s see if I got this: America aborts babies, and that means that Russia (whose abortion rates are still several times higher than what they are in America) gets a pass in starting a war? Are you for real? Do you also drop in on this site to tell us that Bush’s venture into Iraq was also, by the same measure, really not that big a deal?

    “You promised me a strip club. It was a pole and some pillows on the ground.”

    You want to head out to the Presidential Palace and start taking photos while the women are working those poles? Feel free. Or try that search engine approach and see what it gives you.

    “The civilians will suffer, but it is not Putin’s fault. It is the fault of those who forced him into a corner.”

    No, you’re horribly and depravedly wrong. No one forced him into a corner. Nuland proved that — she was able to get what she wanted without a single tank or bomb, and he had far more at his disposal than she did, including oligarch money, including pastries — not to mention willingness to use polonium and poison umbrellas, which I’m guessing you have yet another sleazy and morally odious rationalization for.

    In other words, he could have just followed her example. For that matter, he could have followed his own example. Putin himself was able to pocket a sitting president of the United States — you really think that he couldn’t have pulled off something similar in Ukraine? He had already come really, really close one time already. The war option that he chose was completely unnecessary, and therefore by any appeal to just war doctrine, or any other sane moral calculus, was an egregious crime.

    True, he evidently thought it would be a relatively bloodless 3 day in-and-out affair, but having chosen to extend that into month after gory month of outright warfare, the fault is his.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  408. bomag says:
    @216

    There are ways to limit immigration without alienating people.

    First, stop drinking the kool-aid.

    • Replies: @Anon
  409. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    First, stop drinking the kool-aid.

    What kool-aid?

  410. @Alden

    wasn’t armed

    Yeah, what’s up with that?

    Some people believe that Whites have equal rights to live work walk jog drive use buses bike and skateboard in the cities where we live and support with our taxes.

    Rights are great. Don’t forget responsibilities. Including individual ones. Start with individual rights and responsibilities (these can usually be exercised immediately) and work outward towards the collective: you might just find a lot of ‘social problems’ getting better—or at least ‘solvable’ on an individual scale.

    Alden, are you armed and willing to (legally) kill?

  411. Mr. Anon says:
    @Alden

    The MEN OF UNZ should cease from rejoicing every time a White women is murdered raped or injured by a black man.

    That doesn’t happen, you silly, hysterical woman.

    It is impossible to even have a reasonable conversation with you.

  412. Craken says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The idea of dividing the U.S. into many new nations is a rather foolish form of libertarian idealism. The next step post-division: these statelets become colonies of various foreign empires. They might even have the privilege of becoming the victims of proxy wars between their imperial masters. For the sake of survival, they would band together, probably into between one and five multi-state federations. The evil character of our ruling class does not justify this descent into lunacy. The problem will be solved by a man of strong character who calls the bluff of these communist scum. Why would a great leader permit these parasites to weaken his nation?

  413. @HA

    HAsbara wrote to me:

    Unlike Putin, Nuland seems to have recovered from her embarrassing amateurish bungling in the matter of properly vetting her offices for electronic surveillance, and had the last (or at least the latest) laugh on your guy.

    Putin can fairly easily wipe out the infrastructure in Ukraine and turn the country into a Third World shithole country.

    He has not chosen to do that yet. I suspect the MoD is urging him to reconsider.

    Tens of thousands of Ukrainians are dead because of the evil witch Victoria Nuland’s actions.

    If you think that is her goal, fine, she gets the “last laugh.”

    Frankly, yeah, I think that was her goal: I think the US Deep State decided it would be just swell to have Slavs killing Slavs in Eastern Europe in the hope of weakening the Russian Federation.

    But how is that working, little buddy? The ruble is doing fine, Russians are having normal lives, and it looks like the US-Occupied countries in Western Europe are going to freeze this winter.

    I’ve got nothing against the German and French people, but, well, they asked for this.

    Or at least their leaders who are lapdogs for the US Deep State did.

    You might want to high-tail it to Uruguay, little buddy.

    Pronto.

  414. @Triteleia Laxa

    My sweet little buddy Triteleia Laxa wrote to me:

    Scratch the doormat, get the nasty little sadist, gloating over how Ukrainian children might freeze to death, because the Ukrainians made Putin look stupid.

    Well, actually, it is German and French children and elderly people who I suspect will freeze to death.

    But they can avoid it: all they have to do is overthrow their governments and make peace with Russia.

    Now, we will see if there is any courage or even sense of self-preservation in the countries of US-Occupied Europe.

    I doubt it — I think they would rather die and see their children and parents die than be men.

    You Europeans in the US-Occupied countries are despicable excuses for human beings.

    “These are the times that try men’s souls…”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  415. Jack D says:
    @PhysicistDave

    You’re being ridiculous with your sick fantasies. No one in Europe is going to freeze to death this winter (which BTW is predicted to be milder than usual) as much as you might wish it. The gas reserves of Germany are 88.33% full:

    https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/EN/Areas/Energy/Companies/SecurityOfSupply/GasSupply/start.html

    In any case, a lot of NG is used as feedstock for Germany’s (large) chemical industry. Long before anyone froze, they would reduce the supplies to industry. This might impact their economy but no one was ever going to freeze. For the poor there will be subsidies to offset the increased costs. The Germans have also announced that they are not going to close their nuclear plants after all.

    Russian efforts to choke off Nordstream have just deprived themselves of revenue and have sped up the day when Europe will be completely free of dependence on Russian fuels. Nor, having shown themselves to be unreliable suppliers, are the European customers ever coming back, especially given that they were intending to eventually discontinue fossil fuels in any case. And it’s going to take years to build new pipelines to China, which has its own carbon reduction goals anyway.

    No one in Europe is going to overthrow their government (I wouldn’t take bets on what will happen with Putin in Eurasia though). No one in Europe is going to make peace with Russia until they withdraw their army from Ukraine.

    I don’t know why you wish the people of “US-Occupied” ill in this way. I don’t want anyone in Russia to starve or freeze. I don’t want their sons to die on the soil of Ukraine. I only wish that they could live in a free and democratic country.

  416. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    The MEN OF UNZ don’t set the political agenda in the big cities (and increasingly not even in the suburbs) where black criminals run rampant. I’m sure that if it was up to the MEN OF UNZ, we would have tough on crime prosecutors and judges and police who were committed to arresting criminals whenever possible and keeping our streets safe. The MEN OF UNZ are not the ones who elected Chesa Boudin. The MEN OF UNZ are not even a blip on the political radar of SF. So why are you blaming the MEN OF UNZ?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  417. Jack D says:
    @Anon7

    It’s a good thing then that Belgorod doesn’t sit just across the border from Ukraine and that it’s not possible for the Ukrainians to retaliate against Russian infrastructure. Oh, wait, that’s not true.

    Sure, by the logic of war, food and water are also “military assets” – don’t troops have to eat and drink? Maybe it’s time to poison the water reservoirs.

    Rather than looking for ways to widen this unwinnable war, Russia should be looking for a way to end it. Do you really think that turning off the electricity is going to make the Ukrainians surrender or is it just going to cause them to hate their “fraternal brothers” the Russians even more? If they can’t bring the stuff in by rail, they will bring it by truck. If not by truck then by air. Ukraine has an enormous land border with NATO. It is a pipe dream to imagine that you could choke it off.

    There is no strategy, no change of tactics, that is going to win this war for Russia (at least not in a way that will not cause more trouble than it is worth inside Russia). Not bombing civilian infrastructure, not general mobilization, not anything.

    Starting the war was a fundamental mistake based on wrong assumptions. Once the 3 day plan failed, Putin should have pulled the plug instead of doubling down on failure. Ukraine is not a “fake country”. If it was before, it’s not anymore. The West is not craven, it is resolute and the source of endless supplies to Ukraine and endless sanctions against Russia.

    So Russia should be looking for an exit strategy, not for a way to escalate. This is beginning to dawn on smarter people inside Russia. It’s not an accident that trial balloons are being floated or that hot heads are experiencing mysterious accidents.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  418. @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to me:

    You’re being ridiculous with your sick fantasies. No one in Europe is going to freeze to death this winter

    We’ll see.

    Jack also wrote:

    No one in Europe is going to overthrow their government (I wouldn’t take bets on what will happen with Putin in Eurasia though). No one in Europe is going to make peace with Russia until they withdraw their army from Ukraine.

    And Russia is not going to withdraw their army until the US and its lackeys withdraw their forces from the Donbass republics.

    Jack also wrote to me:

    I don’t know why you wish the people of “US-Occupied” ill in this way.

    Oh, the people I would actually like to see freeze to death are Fascist Joe, Kamala the Slut, Adolf Garland, Benito Wray and all of their flunkies and supporters here in the Hegemon, Jack.

    The US Deep State are, after all, the mass murderers.

    But unfortunately, that is not likely to happen, at least not until the restoration of the Republic.

    But we will know when the Republic is truly restored when we have abolished all of the “jobs” for which guys like you and Benito Corvinus are “qualified,” and you guys start complaining about how hungry you are!

    Jack D also wrote:

    I don’t want anyone in Russia to starve or freeze. I don’t want their sons to die on the soil of Ukraine. I only wish that they could live in a free and democratic country.

    But you do not give a damn that we Americans live in a dictatorship?

    You didn’t see Tucker’s show last night? He interviewed a woman in Jersey named Lisa Gallagher who was rousted from her sleep by Fascist Bureau of Intimidation thugs who said they had an “anonymous tip” that she had been in DC on January 6. She had to prove to them that she had not been in DC at all.

    This is a dictatorship: Gallagher had a perfect right to have been in DC on January 6 under the First Amendment. The Gestapo thugs had no right to demand that she prove her whereabouts on that date. They had no evidence at all that she had done anything wrong: just an “anonymous tip” that she had been in DC.

    And as to that “anonymous tip”: my wife has relatives who lived through the Cultural Revolution in China, and she pointed out that this sort of thing is what happened under the Maoist dictatorship.

    This is happening all over the US, now: follow Julie Kelly’s reporting at American Greatness. But you don’t care — you, after all, support the fascists.

    Yes, freedom and democracy would be good: let’s consider having it here in the heart of the Empire.

    Death to the American Empire! Long live the American Republic!

    And let’s let the parasitic verbalist overclass — people like you and Benito — go hungry.

  419. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    This is from a commenter on this fine opinion webzine…

    Support for Russia in the West consists of people with ASPD, who are always against the current thing, and therefore thoughtless, as well as doormat and pathetic types who outsource their assertive sense of masculinity to Putin, and finally those lost deep in bitterness, resentment and general maladaptive narcissism. This is why they can never reflect and learn and grow. They are too scared of what they will see. And the difference between the idiot and the wise man is not who is right and who is wrong, but who can change their mind, learn and grow. 20% of Putin’s cheerleaders have been able to do that. 80% are instead quite deranged.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  420. @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to Anon7:

    Rather than looking for ways to widen this unwinnable war, Russia should be looking for a way to end it.

    Russia intervened because the US proxy regime in Kiev violated the Minsk accords and the US (notably Kamala the Slut just shortly before the Russian intervention) kept urging Ukraine to join NATO: of course, Ukraine was already a de facto NATO member — trained and armed by the US Deep State.

    The road to peace is clear: the US Deep State and its captive nations recognize the independence of East and South Ukraine and agree to eternal neutrality for the rump regime in West Ukraine.

    Simple and reasonable.

    But the US Deep State prefers seeing its proxies die.

    Jack D also wrote:

    Starting the war was a fundamental mistake based on wrong assumptions. Once the 3 day plan failed, Putin should have pulled the plug instead of doubling down on failure. Ukraine is not a “fake country”.

    Always was, always will be.

    Ukraine will no more be a unified country than Britain will regain sovereignty over the former colonies.

    The Empire must die that the human race can live in freedom and peace.

    And we will know that the Republic has been restored when we have abolished all of the “jobs” for which you and Benito are “qualified” and you are both complaining about how hungry you are!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  421. @Corvinus

    My pal Benito Corvinus wrote:

    Support for Russia in the West consists of people with ASPD, who are always against the current thing, and therefore thoughtless, as well as doormat and pathetic types who outsource their assertive sense of masculinity to Putin…

    This is the kind of psychobabble verbalist nonsense that shows why you are unqualified to engage in any productive labor of any sort whatsoever.

    The facts are clear:

    1) Prior to 2014, Ukraine had a stable government (corrupt, of course, since all governments are corrupt).

    2) The US Deep State orchestrated a coup against that legally elected and internationally recognized government in Ukraine in 2014, because Yanukovych was turning away from the American Empire and its occupied satellites in Europe and towards Russia. The Empire could not allow that.

    3) So, West Ukraine seceded from the legally elected Ukrainian government.

    4) The Donbass declined to join the new puppet regime installed by the US, and so the puppet regime, with support from the US Empire, started murdering people in the Donbass.

    5) Russia tolerated this for eight years until it finally decided to intervene.

    Five publicly available, well-documented facts to counter your silly psychobabble.

    But you do not care about facts, Benito… because you are an integral part of the regime.

    Death to the American Empire! Long live the American Republic!

    The killing must stop… and that can only happen when the Empire dies!

  422. @HA

    Putin himself was able to pocket a sitting president of the United States

    Which president would that be?

  423. @Triteleia Laxa

    “…but now he is losing badly and will be removed by the Russian people to be replaced by rapprochement with the West. I guarantee it.”

    Unfortunately rapprochement with the West seems difficult even with a different Russian leader. The Biden administration has done a lot of stuff which has little short term effect on the war but is harmful long term to better relations with Russia.

  424. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “… how do you morally argue against limiting immigration? ..”

    What’s the need for moral arguments when there are plenty of practical arguments?

  425. @Jack D

    “…Nor, having shown themselves to be unreliable suppliers, are the European customers ever coming back, ..”

    I wouldn’t bet on that. People still loan money to Argentina.

  426. SFG says:
    @Anonymous

    One of those groups has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world.

  427. @PhysicistDave

    Well here you go:

    Putin rejected peace deal that would have left Ukraine out of NATO
    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-rejected-early-ukraine-peace-deal-invaded-anyway-reuters-2022-9

    All that time you spent shilling for his poor NATO excuse has been for naught.

    Not sure why you think it is a good idea to shill for a dictator that wears height enhancing shoes. Such hopelessly insecure men always turn on everyone. They are not pro-any people. They hate the world and that includes you.

    Earlier this month a former Putin ally fell from window:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-putin-ally-and-russian-oil-tycoon-mysteriously-dies-in-fall-from-hospital-window-after-criticising-war-in-ukraine/ss-AA11m7cf

    Today a Putin ally fell out of a boat:
    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russia-central-asia/article/3192370/another-russian-energy-boss-has-died-mysterious

    Must be nice to shill for the dictator from your home and without having to worry about a gravity related accident.

    Putin is a weasel pretending to be a man. Here is a real man:

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  428. @YetAnotherAnon

    No. The movement towards the return to Dickensian capitalism and to outsourcing Western labour to Asia (for the qualified employment)or to the third world was well on its way long before the fall of USSR was thought to be feasible. The only difference was that Japan rather than China seemed to be the clear winner about to take the N1 position from the US. Japan and to a lesser degree the Asian “dragons” turned out to be the main losers immediately after the fall of the Iron curtain. Had the US not succeeded in bringing down the Soviet Union Japan would be now the undisputed master of the industrial world. The US would have be subject to the economic collapse they are experiencing now much earlier (right after Reagan) and that would have been explained as the effect of too big popular revenues and comfort and too many liberties.

    If Putin falls, it does not mean at all a triumph for the homoglobo cause like the fall of USSR meant a triumph for the capitalist cause. He will be replaced by somebody much more radical. Putin is at the helm because he was thought to be the most moderate leader possible among far worse others.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  429. Anne Lid says:
    @John Johnson

    From your first link: “Russia firmly denies the existence of a deal and Ukraine did not confirm it. ”
    There was no deal. And even there were, liars rarely keep their promises.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  430. @PhysicistDave

    Dude, you’re right on the facts all round, but the overheated rhetoric isn’t persuading anyone, and it’s really just counter-productive. You’re making the sane people sound like they’re the tinfoil hat people. Here’s the middle ground: Putin and the Russians are right (well, in a manner of speaking anyway), GloboHomoShlomo, JZNATO and the JZFUSA are wrong, but an actual shooting war could and should have been avoided, there were ways to do that, but everybody got out of hand, and now we are all stuck in an untenable situation which was not inevitable.

    Tone it down a notch, start sounding again like a scientist and less like a Ranter, and maybe then you’ll get somewhere with these people. Cheers, man.

    • Replies: @Moses
  431. Corvinus says:
    @Francis Miville

    “Putin is at the helm because he was thought to be the most moderate leader possible among far worse others.”

    Who thought this? What Russian officials are more radical than Putin? How do you know?

  432. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    The real invasion happened when more Irish and German Catholics came traipsing in, and the White Core Americans weren’t excited when inferior stock from Eastern abs Southern Europe barged in. If anything, the people who should leave America arc the Alpine and Mediterranean races. Do you need a primer regarding that foremost race realist Madison Grant?

    Of course, if you are fortunate to be able to trace both of your ancestors directly to the Thirteen Colonies from the early or mid 1600s, then you’re a real American.

    If not, you have to go back.

  433. @Anne Lid

    From your first link: “Russia firmly denies the existence of a deal and Ukraine did not confirm it. ”

    Oh wow Russia denied a deal that exposes the total BS of Putin? Really?

    Remember when Russia denied that an invasion would happen and that it was all just a ploy of the West?

    Remember when Russia cut off diplomatic channels with Ukraine and didn’t even send an ultimatum?

    The longer you defend the half-pint dictator the more you will end up disappointed.

    I can smell a fake man a mile away. A little weasel of a man that hates the world.

    That is Putin.

  434. Anne Lid says:

    Weasel presstitute: “Hey Putin, did you steal a mink from the coat room?”
    Putin: “What? No.”

    Mainstream headline: “Putin denies having stolen a mink from the coat room”

    What probably happened that some talks were still going on and the Russians gave up seeing that the other side cannot or won’t keep his side of the bargain.

  435. Moses says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Agree with Germ Theory. Your position here in the right. Rants are unpersuasive, not to mention unbecoming a man of science.

    Screaming “Fed! Fed!” at dissenting opinions just makes you look sophmoric and silly.

  436. @Altai

    Two currencies did rise duringthis conflict: The US dollar and the ruble.

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