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I learned three things about New Zealand today:
1) Its retail outlets known as “dairies,” which appear to be mostly run by South Asians, are suffering a rash of robberies by unidentified perps.
2) The Labour government proposes to fight back by installing “fog cannons” in the stores (you can watch one in action in the video below).
3) Many New Zealanders have responded by calling this “an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff approach,” which, apparently, is a popular and well-understood phrase in New Zealand, but which confuses me and reminds me of “an ambulance at the top of a cliff approach” from a breakthrough early Simpsons episode:
We're taking action to prevent crime and protect our communities by almost doubling the number of fog cannons available to small businesses across the country. This will help to keep our communities safe by reducing robberies and minimising the risk of violence to retail workers. pic.twitter.com/rIXVoykRyn
— New Zealand Labour (@nzlabour) March 5, 2020
Here's an ambulance at the top of the cliff approach:https://t.co/bXrZiltmj7
— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) March 6, 2020
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Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff = useless to the person who falls/c ommits suicide?
crooks slamming mom and pop shops
One word, one syllable, starts with a “g.”
no no no, what we’ll do is, we’ll turn everything into a $@#%ing discotheque
…
see, when they hit the bodega expecting a bodega, but ALL OF A SUDDEN find themselves in an unexpected discotheque, they won’t know what to do
They can’t run out with what they already grabbed? They can’t locate the mom and pop by touch, and then severely beat them?
no no no, when the fog rolls in, they just stand there and wait patiently to be arrested. It’s a kind of magic
1) Stage announcement of (the blind, if I remember right – it’s been a long time since) Rasaan Roland Kirk: That he had smoked something and felt now “totally blind”, not knowing whether he really made it on the stage or what?
2) Kirk in “Volunteered Slavery”: “If you want to know how to feel free – you gotta stay all day (! d. k.) in bed with me.”
So – this sounds like the perfect crime protection, doesn’t it – allow for soome dopey blindness und – sty in bed – and nobody wouldn’t even need those costly dust-cannons and government subsidies ‘n’ stuff! – Just relay and take it easy Down There, in New Zealand!
Conventionally, it’s the person trying to hide and get away who benefits from a smoke screen. So I’m a little unclear on the tactical thinking here.
But I guess it would be too easy to just give the store owners shotguns — especially since NZ robbers appear to be armed primarily with blunt sticks.
This would come in handy in Chicago where we are having “flash robberies” of stores and the police won’t do anything about it.
The Labour gov’t looks quite proud of that idea.
The dingoes are eating babies, so they got a fog cannon to… something, something.
Looks like the fog is very effective…at obscuring the identity of the perp. Mission accomplished?
Never mind the fatal shootings of Orthodox Jews by blacks after predatory real estate practices, the NYT has finally uncovered the terrible doodled swastikas and messages written in beach sand of White New Jersey anti-Semites!
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/nyregion/new-jersey-antisemitism-high-school.html
The race relations in Australia and New Zealand share many similarities to those in the US. 1960s Liberalism (Affirmative Action, special protection status) was popular there as well after World War II. They also woke up to the same hangovers with the failures of those programs. Both the Aboriginize and Maori share a hybrid crime rate between Native Americans and Blacks and their liberal medias tends to ignore it as well. Keep in mind both Australia (and especially) New Zealand have saner immigration policies. They also find it difficult to clamp down on smart Asians being smart on tests. There hasn’t been a Harvard-Asian lawsuit equivalent to my knowledge.
Maybe the robbers will be Otis Redding fans and just take a seat and relax.
If thwarted from robbing a store, the miscreants might try to rob individuals walking the streets or break into houses later that night, right? If we reduce store thefts, but increase break-ins and muggings, have we helped much?
https://media.tenor.com/images/5928b430cf20450160705d66457e7668/tenor.gifReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Fog cannons are effective if you apply some after market modifications.
One word, one syllable, starts with a "g."
no no no, what we'll do is, we'll turn everything into a $@#%ing discotheque
...
see, when they hit the bodega expecting a bodega, but ALL OF A SUDDEN find themselves in an unexpected discotheque, they won't know what to do
They can't run out with what they already grabbed? They can't locate the mom and pop by touch, and then severely beat them?
no no no, when the fog rolls in, they just stand there and wait patiently to be arrested. It's a kind of magic
https://66.media.tumblr.com/42e096f3a3abea58fca6066db39c2ded/tumblr_o5dqggI6jo1vozxg6o1_500.jpgReplies: @Harry Baldwin
You’re definitely onto something: simultaneous deployment of fog cannon, plus rotating disco ball, plus speakers pounding out the Bee Gees’ “You Should Be Dancing” will undoubtedly deter errant Kiwis.
https://youtu.be/F6En9UT2yDM
If only there was some kind of hand held machine that could really deter a violent person away. One that could propel a projectile at high velocity at a person that actually got violent. But I guess fog is the best that we have technologically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIXKby-VQI
Having that in a well-armed country would be a recipe for disaster. Our thugs already have horrendous aim, and this would just lead to even more mayhem…
Here’s the company
https://www.fogcannon.co.nz/
The device sprays a “dry fog” that cuts visibility way down. This allegedly causes robbers to flee, because something. Maybe I’m missing a detail but it sure looks like the criminal class in NZ is pretty wimpy. I don’t think this would do much to the flash mobs of Chicago and other cities.
I guess if the fog machine ever declines in deterrence the next step would be a foam cannon. Although some people like them, so a store might wind up full of people after a while.
Doesn’t NZ already have all the health & welfare anyone could want? That’s what liberals have told me over the years.
Evel Knievel used the “ambulance at the bottom of the ramp approach.”
Solution: Personal, portable fog cannons!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRPaKgPwEsReplies: @Dhyan Chand
STOP. Don’t steal my grog. This is my no-no fog.
Great call Steve. That was A breakthrough Simpsons moment. When that stretcher came down and stomped Homer further into the ground I remember laughing so hard I cried.
So here is a company that produces the fog cannons.
https://protectglobal.com/
“PROTECT™ security fog leaves no residue, and is completely harmless to humans and animals. It will not affect clothing, furnishings or electrical equipment.”
So, basically, thick disco fog? I am sure that a dense fog might be temporarily inconvenient, but how long does it last? It seems the sort of deterrent that will only work against rather polite and easily-discouraged robbers.
Didn’t PM Ardern grab all the guns after the massacre a few years ago? It was mighty sporting of the criminals to do so at the same time, you know, in the name of fair play.
Cuckdom exacts a high toll from the rest of us.
unidentified perps
I imagine that it’s unclear whether they are Maori (indigenous Polynesians) or Islanders (immigrant Polynesians).
https://media.tenor.com/images/5928b430cf20450160705d66457e7668/tenor.gifReplies: @Reg Cæsar
If it works, but not well, they can always upgrade to the fusillade à patissier:
I was just about to write the same thing, Dan. It’s no wonder Steve remembered this one. I’m sure I had tears too.
Foam would work- birth control foam deployed nine months before the birth of the criminals.
Pepper gas cannons would be even more effective.
New Zealand’s idea looks retarded. Looks like a woman came up with the idea and some half-a-man built it in return for a soy latte.
Seriously, the white nations are so cucked.
I assume that the fog cannons are filled with the below or a similar substance:
Well, if you were a brain-damaged cosmopolitan that could not EVER conceive of such a machine in your hands, that’s EXACTLY the stuff that your store would be equipped with:
I know the proper response here is to say that these cannon are silly and they should use, I don’t know… shotguns, or something?
But can I honestly ask the group here? What is so wrong with thinking up a non-lethal device instead of simply saying “kill ’em?”
I myself don’t think that violent robbery should be excused, but nor do I think it warrants the death penalty. Must we resort to brutality every time? How about we find some way to be deter crime, and deal with crime when it happens, and still maintain the dignity to not get in the slime with the criminal?
They are criminals after all. Do we not strive to be better than them? Are we really so unable to think beyond our lizard brain that “just give shopkeepers guns” is the extent of our thinking?
I applaud the smoke cannons. Ok maybe it only causes them to run away, but why do we need blood? We stopped them from committing the crime. Seems ok to me.
You can load up your own rock salt, sand, or rubber bullets. 37mm gas guns are are legal-in fact, you can buy them online as they are not considered firearms, like flare guns-and load your own or load them into 12 gauge shells. But they can be a lot more lethal than you think.
Tasers are available to civilians in many places.Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman
There’s nothing like a fog cannon to get the grove on.
Cartons is all we get these days. Buster Keaton would have done that whole stunt in one take before lunch.
In case it hasn’t been posted, the reference is to a story where people are falling off a cliff and the community comes together and buys an ambulance. Instead of building a railing. I heard it in shop class growing up.
Control of legitimized violence has been ceded to the government, which means the government gets to dictate whatever norms it wants.
What it wants is robbed dairies, apparently. Frankly anyone paying for things at these places must be some kind of subversive.
But can I honestly ask the group here? What is so wrong with thinking up a non-lethal device instead of simply saying "kill 'em?"
I myself don't think that violent robbery should be excused, but nor do I think it warrants the death penalty. Must we resort to brutality every time? How about we find some way to be deter crime, and deal with crime when it happens, and still maintain the dignity to not get in the slime with the criminal?
They are criminals after all. Do we not strive to be better than them? Are we really so unable to think beyond our lizard brain that "just give shopkeepers guns" is the extent of our thinking?
I applaud the smoke cannons. Ok maybe it only causes them to run away, but why do we need blood? We stopped them from committing the crime. Seems ok to me.Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag, @a Newsreader
There are nonlethal crowd control and deterrent rounds but they are not available to civilians because of pwoduct wiability. You can buy bullets and cartridges specifically designed to kill people but not ones specifically designed not to , because you might misuse them and kill someone, and they or their surviving relatives could sue, companies will only sell them to law enforcement and government agencies.
You can load up your own rock salt, sand, or rubber bullets. 37mm gas guns are are legal-in fact, you can buy them online as they are not considered firearms, like flare guns-and load your own or load them into 12 gauge shells. But they can be a lot more lethal than you think.
Tasers are available to civilians in many places.
https://spikestactical.com/collections/havoc/st-thumper/
https://d1tjnq8epgf80i.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/products-Thumper_NEW-1.jpg
37mm Flare Launcher
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRPaKgPwEsReplies: @Dhyan Chand
Greatest musical of all time.
You can load up your own rock salt, sand, or rubber bullets. 37mm gas guns are are legal-in fact, you can buy them online as they are not considered firearms, like flare guns-and load your own or load them into 12 gauge shells. But they can be a lot more lethal than you think.
Tasers are available to civilians in many places.Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/12-ga--less-lethal.html
https://spikestactical.com/collections/havoc/st-thumper/
37mm Flare Launcher
You can load up your own rock salt, sand, or rubber bullets. 37mm gas guns are are legal-in fact, you can buy them online as they are not considered firearms, like flare guns-and load your own or load them into 12 gauge shells. But they can be a lot more lethal than you think.
Tasers are available to civilians in many places.Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Achmed E. Newman
So it IS product liability. Isn’t that what you’re saying? What’s wrong with your spell check, ambulance chaser?
So I will keep doing it.
BTW, I am unfortunately not a wawyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7dCTwlAI8Y
What it wants is robbed dairies, apparently. Frankly anyone paying for things at these places must be some kind of subversive.Replies: @dfordoom
Is there any other way a civilised society can function?
A kiwi here.. Dairies in NZ are are the equivalent of a UK corner shop, selling milk, overpriced groceries past their sell-by date and cigarettes. The latter is why they are robbed so often – successive governments have raised the cost of cigarettes so high (more than US$25/packet) that it’s almost more lucrative to rob a dairy than a bank, and certainly easier. Don’t know whether the fog cannons work particularly well, but our criminals aren’t the brightest.
But can I honestly ask the group here? What is so wrong with thinking up a non-lethal device instead of simply saying "kill 'em?"
I myself don't think that violent robbery should be excused, but nor do I think it warrants the death penalty. Must we resort to brutality every time? How about we find some way to be deter crime, and deal with crime when it happens, and still maintain the dignity to not get in the slime with the criminal?
They are criminals after all. Do we not strive to be better than them? Are we really so unable to think beyond our lizard brain that "just give shopkeepers guns" is the extent of our thinking?
I applaud the smoke cannons. Ok maybe it only causes them to run away, but why do we need blood? We stopped them from committing the crime. Seems ok to me.Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag, @a Newsreader
No, but the attacker sets the terms, and one must be prepared to prevail.
Yes, very much so: self-defense is part of high achieving societies.
Control of violent retaliation is a more accurate phase.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50571017
There’s some funny ideas going around in New Zealand.
That’s “Maoris and PIs” https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Britain/kiwis.html
Overall, I found New Zealand resembled US politics the most. (Australia resembles a US where the AFL-CIO wasn’t crushed by Clinton Democrats and unions are still somewhat powerful.)
There are many spooky parallels on culture and race. When a TV commercial addresses that 1 out of 4 New Zealand children go hungry every night the National/Republicans roll their eyes (it’s not white children) while Labor/Democrats want increased taxes (to fund more social service jobs for themselves.)
New Zealand also had a Nixon-like character in office roughly during the same time period named Robert Muldoon.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/3c/51/e63c51f7d0eccd322296a7c968489542--prime-minister-new-zealand.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Muldoon
New Zealand’s Labor party made the same Clinton (Tony Blair?) transformation from a Worker’s party to a Free Market/Cultural Marxist intelligentsia snob-fest. Even the Feminists are uncannily similar on government policies and typically being lonely cat ladies. The Maori and PI’s bulk up their voting numbers as akin to Blacks and Hispanics in the US.
I’ve always wondered if this mainly had to do with New Zealand and the US sharing a common language (English) or the US economically annexing the British Empire after World War II. With the US dollar replacing Sterling as the world reserve currency.
P.S. You have any favorite histories on the British Empire?Replies: @Hector Ramon
But can I honestly ask the group here? What is so wrong with thinking up a non-lethal device instead of simply saying "kill 'em?"
I myself don't think that violent robbery should be excused, but nor do I think it warrants the death penalty. Must we resort to brutality every time? How about we find some way to be deter crime, and deal with crime when it happens, and still maintain the dignity to not get in the slime with the criminal?
They are criminals after all. Do we not strive to be better than them? Are we really so unable to think beyond our lizard brain that "just give shopkeepers guns" is the extent of our thinking?
I applaud the smoke cannons. Ok maybe it only causes them to run away, but why do we need blood? We stopped them from committing the crime. Seems ok to me.Replies: @Anonymous, @bomag, @a Newsreader
Indeed, having to shoot the perp is a failure mode. The best approach would be a criminal justice system that swiftly catches, convicts, and punishes the shoplifters so that shoplifting is thereby discouraged.
Racism! I smell racism! I'm not even a racist-smeller but I smell racism!
Fair enough.
Overall, I found New Zealand resembled US politics the most. (Australia resembles a US where the AFL-CIO wasn’t crushed by Clinton Democrats and unions are still somewhat powerful.)
There are many spooky parallels on culture and race. When a TV commercial addresses that 1 out of 4 New Zealand children go hungry every night the National/Republicans roll their eyes (it’s not white children) while Labor/Democrats want increased taxes (to fund more social service jobs for themselves.)
New Zealand also had a Nixon-like character in office roughly during the same time period named Robert Muldoon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Muldoon
New Zealand’s Labor party made the same Clinton (Tony Blair?) transformation from a Worker’s party to a Free Market/Cultural Marxist intelligentsia snob-fest. Even the Feminists are uncannily similar on government policies and typically being lonely cat ladies. The Maori and PI’s bulk up their voting numbers as akin to Blacks and Hispanics in the US.
I’ve always wondered if this mainly had to do with New Zealand and the US sharing a common language (English) or the US economically annexing the British Empire after World War II. With the US dollar replacing Sterling as the world reserve currency.
P.S. You have any favorite histories on the British Empire?
The old joke about Rob Muldoon was "Rob Muldoon before he robs you". That was a reference to high taxes eg 40% Sales tax on music sales.
The other major target of opportunist thieves after cigarettes here is petrol stations. They have had bank teller type windows, panic rooms and fog cannons for some time so that has pushed robbers towards softer targets like corner dairies. A lot of the robbers are kids or teenagers hence the lack of armaments. In terms of thwarted robbers targetting random passers by, there are very few people out and about in most NZ suburbs at any hour of the day. The younger robbers are also mostly making their attempts in their own areas so trying to rob the other welfare beneficiaries is not going to net much and also raise the risk of them being recognised.
The area of crime here that sees more guns is, not surprisingly, drugs. Gangs are much more involved both as wholesale suppliers, and retail, running "tinny houses" (drugs wrapped in tinfoil = tinnies).Replies: @Kronos
The best approach would be a criminal justice system that swiftly catches, convicts, and punishes the shoplifters so that shoplifting is thereby discouraged.
Racism! I smell racism! I’m not even a racist-smeller but I smell racism!
Overall, I found New Zealand resembled US politics the most. (Australia resembles a US where the AFL-CIO wasn’t crushed by Clinton Democrats and unions are still somewhat powerful.)
There are many spooky parallels on culture and race. When a TV commercial addresses that 1 out of 4 New Zealand children go hungry every night the National/Republicans roll their eyes (it’s not white children) while Labor/Democrats want increased taxes (to fund more social service jobs for themselves.)
New Zealand also had a Nixon-like character in office roughly during the same time period named Robert Muldoon.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/3c/51/e63c51f7d0eccd322296a7c968489542--prime-minister-new-zealand.jpg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Muldoon
New Zealand’s Labor party made the same Clinton (Tony Blair?) transformation from a Worker’s party to a Free Market/Cultural Marxist intelligentsia snob-fest. Even the Feminists are uncannily similar on government policies and typically being lonely cat ladies. The Maori and PI’s bulk up their voting numbers as akin to Blacks and Hispanics in the US.
I’ve always wondered if this mainly had to do with New Zealand and the US sharing a common language (English) or the US economically annexing the British Empire after World War II. With the US dollar replacing Sterling as the world reserve currency.
P.S. You have any favorite histories on the British Empire?Replies: @Hector Ramon
Another Kiwi here.
The old joke about Rob Muldoon was “Rob Muldoon before he robs you”. That was a reference to high taxes eg 40% Sales tax on music sales.
The other major target of opportunist thieves after cigarettes here is petrol stations. They have had bank teller type windows, panic rooms and fog cannons for some time so that has pushed robbers towards softer targets like corner dairies. A lot of the robbers are kids or teenagers hence the lack of armaments. In terms of thwarted robbers targetting random passers by, there are very few people out and about in most NZ suburbs at any hour of the day. The younger robbers are also mostly making their attempts in their own areas so trying to rob the other welfare beneficiaries is not going to net much and also raise the risk of them being recognised.
The area of crime here that sees more guns is, not surprisingly, drugs. Gangs are much more involved both as wholesale suppliers, and retail, running “tinny houses” (drugs wrapped in tinfoil = tinnies).
If they’re overpriced and past their sell-by date, how do they manage to move the inventory?
Embrace the power of ‘and’.
My impression based on how the shelves are stocked with only a couple of each grocery item, is that general inventory moves slowly (excluding milk, sweets/candy and cigarettes). If you have a car or the time to take public transport, then supermarkets are usually cheaper and fresher, with more choice. Even though profit per pack of cigarettes is not high and the chance of being robbed in any given year is quite likely, tobacco is still an important source of sales for the shop owners, and generates the foot traffic that leads to sales on other items. See https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/07/what-dairy-owners-really-think-of-cigarette-sales.amp.html for more details
The old joke about Rob Muldoon was "Rob Muldoon before he robs you". That was a reference to high taxes eg 40% Sales tax on music sales.
The other major target of opportunist thieves after cigarettes here is petrol stations. They have had bank teller type windows, panic rooms and fog cannons for some time so that has pushed robbers towards softer targets like corner dairies. A lot of the robbers are kids or teenagers hence the lack of armaments. In terms of thwarted robbers targetting random passers by, there are very few people out and about in most NZ suburbs at any hour of the day. The younger robbers are also mostly making their attempts in their own areas so trying to rob the other welfare beneficiaries is not going to net much and also raise the risk of them being recognised.
The area of crime here that sees more guns is, not surprisingly, drugs. Gangs are much more involved both as wholesale suppliers, and retail, running "tinny houses" (drugs wrapped in tinfoil = tinnies).Replies: @Kronos
Ouch!
Wow, that Awinsky fellow was right. Widicule WORKS.
So I will keep doing it.
BTW, I am unfortunately not a wawyer.
Perhaps a better use of fog cannon would be in the NZ Parliament, controlled by a simple AI that blasts anyone speaking out loud when they get just too stupid. The stupidity threshold would have to be calibrated tightly enough that the fog cannon wasn’t just firing continuously, of course, but it would lend some zest to debates and pure entertainment from time to time.