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An interesting question is whether blacks tend to be more error-prone than whites, all else being equal.

Sports can provide some data, although I don’t see anything conclusive. There are a handful of positions in American sports where there is little upside for talent and a lot of downside for messing up. The clearest example is the NFL’s obscure position of long snapper, centers who come in on fourth down to snap the ball upside-down to punters 15 yards back and placekick holders about 8 yards back. There’s no way to be the G.O.A.T at long snapping, but there is always a way to be the goat of the game: snap it over the target’s head.

Virtually all NFL long snappers are white.

Punters have two duties: one, obviously, is punting the ball to the other team on fourth down. Some punters are definitely better than others at punting, but there’s also diminishing marginal returns on how far a punt can go due to air drag. So a big part of the job of punting is to now screw up: don’t drop the long snap, don’t shank the punt, etc. The other duty of the punter is to be the holder on placekicks. (They used to use second string quarterbacks as placekick holders, but they eventually figured out it makes more sense to have the long-snapper, punter, and placekicker go off and practice by themselves, which the second string quarterback can’t do.) This is like being the long snapper in that the only time you’ll be noticed is when you screw up.

Placekicking used to a pretty heroic job, but the skill level has improved so much that now it’s mostly a don’t screw-up job. Once again, there are severe diminishing returns on how far a field goal can be kicked so there aren’t real superstar kickers.

In these three jobs, virtually all NFL players are white (or other nonblacks). How much of this is that whites are better at executing at mostly downside jobs? Hard to say, but it’s interesting.

It could be that those three NFL positions are completely dominated by whites because football-loving whites are more realistic about their potential, or perhaps practicing is easier in the suburbs. (E.g, you need a bunch of footballs to practice with and a place to practice where nobody will steal them from you before you go shag them.)

There are other mostly downside tasks in American sports, such as playing first base in baseball. First basemen aren’t expected to be spectacular defensive players, they are just expected to virtually never ever drop a throw. Most of them are very good at this. I haven’t noticed much of a racial pattern in who is bad at dropping throws at first. Of course, most major league players are exceptionally good at defense compared to anybody you ever played with. E.g., 6’4″ 250 pound slugger Jim Thome played shortstop in college.

 
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  1. Yes, they are. That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Danindc


    we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.
     
    We can, and we will.

    https://i.ibb.co/vsW6YRd/GUEST-da9f6368-1730-4ec6-9174-609e0a6f183f.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/bNSctWs/tumblr-000613adbc9f7c87b71f37c9d53d7afa-be030791-500.webp

    Replies: @mc23

    , @Anonymous
    @Danindc

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it's much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won't necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot's "job" will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Forbes, @Anonymous

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Danindc


    That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.
     
    Hate to break it to you, but we can and we will have affirmative action amongst airline pilots. American Airlines has committed to having 50% of their new pilots being other that white men.
  2. Seperately, those positions arealso fairly solitary. The ability to sit alone quietly in a room varies quite a bit betweeen individuals, and I would guess between races as well.

    Golf too is very solitary, if you want to be exceptional.

  3. See the response from this Hindu nationalist.

    He believes that whites abhor weakness – whites love to oppress “docile” Hindus and love being oppressed by big bad muslims. Is it true?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Dream

    NRI? TLA?

    To answer Sailer's question: white Americans committed the greatest error in human history when they imported millions of Africans as cheap labor.

    , @Skyler the Weird
    @Dream

    I don't recall seeing any dot Indians in Dopesick.

    A few years back Mr Moneybags at Church decided we were going to open a Christian school in Anwar Pradesh. He was saying that the kids would learn English and get jobs at Tech firms in Hyderabad. I said these kids are Dalits and won't get hired. These companies only hire within their Caste.

    The H1bs here do the same thing. The Hindu CEO hires and promotes within his caste and is slowly weeding out American Whites and Blacks(and Indian programmers are as competent as blacks). They are hiring non whites so they can say it's a diverse company. If they keep most of the work remote in India they can pay less and not worry about paying for benefits.

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @Dream

    Wow that is some 🔥 take.

  4. An interesting question is whether blacks tend to be more error-prone than whites, all else being equal.

    Since blacks tend to be much lazier than whites (laziness is proven to be correlated with being error-prone), the answer is yes. You can verify this in every profession.

    Let’s take filmmaking. One of the stupidest mistakes Spike Lee ever made was casting himself in the lead role in Do the Right Thing. Problem is, Spike can’t act! How did he make such a dumb mistake? Chalk it up to all the negative black traits: narcissism, poor judgment, and mediocre intellect, not to mention intellectual laziness. It probably never occurred to him to get an objective opinion from a reliable casting director as to whether it was prudent to cast himself in the lead. It was a huge error, just as enormous as Barack Obama giving the nod to the Wise Latina.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Meretricious

    But…but… the floating dolly shot!

    https://www.ceros.com/inspire/originals/spike-lee-denzel-washington-movies-cinematography/

  5. Sports? Seriously? Try working in an office. Or a medical facility. Or a nuclear power plant. Or…

  6. I think positions that require making rapid, strategic calculations on your feet are going to be dominated by whites, such as quarterback.

    In basketball, the point guard also makes strategic decisions but I don’t think it required the same level of strategy as football.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @ginger bread man

    The advent of in helmet radio transmissions in the 2000's* seems to correlate to more black QBs. As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas. Basketball requires the least amount of money and parental commitment of all the sports, so blacks many of whom are of poor means figure out that it makes sense to concentrate on developing basketball skills as their ticket out of the ghetto. Non-blacks end up feeling either intimidated by blacks/not quite as desperate to develop basketball skills as blacks.

    Parents also will steer white kids toward baseball which is perceived as "safer" even though severe head injuries are fairly frequent in youth baseball, and also baseball has always been the ultimate father-son bonding sport. Blacks of course often have absent fathers. In more northern areas, white kids will also be steered toward hockey ("hockey mom's") even though it's self-evidently obvious that hockey is violent. Same things apply to football, also. White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    *Watch older football games, the QB had to spent a lot of time and focus on effectively communicating with the coaches.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  7. @Danindc
    Yes, they are. That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob

    we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    We can, and we will.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Stan Adams

    Hearsay alert but wretchard the cat author of the blog Belmont Club related from travels in Africa years ago that Black passengers would wander up to the cockpit before the plane took off and come back reporting everthing's good a White man is flying.

    I would think that's a case of nepotisim and poor training rather than innate ability but that's problem of its own. Witness the slow motion destruction of South Africa.

  8. Errors would be an issue in medicine. Pretty sure that malpractice cases vary by race.

  9. I don’t know a lot about sports, but I’ve trained and worked with a number of blacks in accounting type work over the years. I think they actually do better and make fewer mistakes in emergency type situations where fast thinking is required. Where they don’t do well is long term planning. Sometimes you can wait until the emergency situation and improvise but that can also get you in trouble. I always have a Plan B if my Plan A fails. Some of my black coworkers don’t have any plan at all.

    You can also see that in how blacks and whites differ in music. I’m an amateur musician. Blacks seem to be definitely better at musical improvisation and excel in forms of music like jazz that use a lot of improvisation. There is no way I could musically improvise without making a lot of errors. I need to practice, practice, practice to get through something error free. That’s pretty typical for whites: take something written down, practice over and over, and then play it. They can’t end up with something like Charlie Parker, but they can end up with something like Beethoven.

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Mark G.


    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.
     
    Excellent comment, Mark G.

    I'm unconvinced on "quick error free thinking" from blacks--be interesting to test. But your HBD explanation on white planning--and I'd say "conscientiousness"--is--pretty sure--spot on.

    There's a lot of focus in HBD circles on IQ, but conscientiousness by itself is a huge factor in how pleasant a society is to live in--and definitely has been selected for in people who do agriculture at latitude. Even among hunter gatherers the smartest and most conscientious are the eskimos--and other artic people. No great shakes compared to settled white people, but are far cry from tropical hunter gatherers. You just have to have your act together in a more serious way to survive up north.

    Finally cooperation, which helps enable social trust is huge as well. With Western Christian nations melded together under Christianity--and the Japanese, through some totally different mechanism--the world standouts in high-social trust.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Meretricious
    @Mark G.

    Writing in the 1930s, Theodor Adorno began by denying that jazz had any of the qualities for which it was praised: it was not expressive and spontaneous. Rather, he thought it was essentially formulaic, banal, and – worst of all – fashionable. IMO that is mostly true.

    , @prosa123
    @Mark G.

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    One thing seldom discussed is the effects of tropical living outside of Africa. There were many other tropical areas that gave rise to civilizations, such as India, Southeast Asia, parts of China, and much of Latin America. Rarely, though, do they get much attention.

  10. Based on a quick survey of an industry which would seem to be very unforgiving of screwing up, the answer seems to be “a little”.

    https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/explosives-worker/demographics/

    “The largest ethnic group of explosives workers are White, making up 66% of the population. The next highest segments are Black or African American and Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish, making up 11% and 9% respectively.”

    BTW, in keeping with Department of Labor statistics that indicate consistent gender skew in occupations in which there is instant and clear feedback on success or failure:
    “12% of explosives workers are female and 88% are male.”

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Dmon

    From Wikipedia on the Port Chicago munitions explosion disaster during WWII:


    Composition of African American personnel

    At NSGL, the enlisted African Americans who tested in the top 30 to 40% were selected for non-labor battalion assignments. Port Chicago was manned by workers drawn from those remaining. The Navy determined that the quality of African American petty officers at Port Chicago suffered because of the absence of high-scoring black men, and that overall levels of competence were further reduced by the occasional requirement for Port Chicago to supply drafts of men with clear records for transfer to other stations. The Navy's General Classification Test (GCT) results for the enlisted men at Port Chicago averaged 31, putting them in the lowest twelfth of the Navy.[11] Officers at Port Chicago considered the enlisted men unreliable, emotional, and lacking the capacity to understand or remember orders or instructions.[11]

    * * * *

    All 320 of the men on duty at the pier died instantly, and 390 civilians and military personnel were injured, many seriously. Among the dead were all five Coast Guard personnel posted aboard the fire barge.[36] African-American casualties totaled 202 dead and 233 injured, which accounted for 15% of all African-American casualties during World War II.[37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster
     

    Replies: @Dmon

  11. Errors? Errors aren’t as bad as what some people do deliberately..

  12. There goes Steve noticing stuff again. But once you mention it, the lily white kicker demographic is pretty obvious and pretty odd. Here’s a 2019 article that confirms the whiteness of kicking:

    In the NFL, Marquette King is the lone black punter or kicker to see significant action recently. There are nearly 900 scholarships available for specialists at the Division I level, but Harvin and Oregon State’s Caleb Lightbourn represent the rare exceptions to the all-white demographic at big schools, and even at historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), the kickers and punters are more likely to be white than not. There are a handful of Hispanic kickers and a boatload of Australian punters, but finding a black athlete at those positions is a complete aberration. https://andscape.com/features/in-football-its-harder-to-find-a-black-kicker-than-a-black-qb/

    The idea of being “error prone,” is an interesting hypothesis. Although, I am not sure why there is any reason to think blacks are more “error prone” than whites in repetitive, highly-practiced, athletic performance. More likely, it’s just that (a) whites are at least equally good at athletic consistency as blacks; (b) consistency is the most important part of kicking; (c) blacks thus have no inherent advantage over whites in kicking (like they do in moat other positions which put a premium on speed); therefore: (d) kicker demographics are basically more in line with the majority white demographic of the country (or perhaps, more specifically, the relevant pool of individuals who are willing to train hard by themselves for a hyper-specialized event), simply because blacks have no inherent advantage in the position.

    It’s also weird that the PC police haven’t picked up on this “disproportionate” underrepresentation as a manifestation of “systemic racism.”

    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    @Hypnotoad666

    I seem to remember that a lot of kickers in the HCBU SWAC missed a lot of extra points back in the Days before they lost all the good high school players to Alabama and LSU.

  13. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    Track relay teams for the U.S. in high-stakes races tend to (1) be all black, and (2) fuck up the baton hand-off.

    My theory has been that they are arrogant, don’t show up to practices, don’t take coaching well, don’t cooperate with their teammates that they see as rivals, and never master what should be a fundamental skill. I think the coach should lay down the law and the U.S. Olympic Committee should back him up to the point of kicking the fastest runners off the team if they don’t train for relays, but good luck on that.

    Japanese Olympic relay teams practice obsessively, and they don’t make mistakes. On the one hand, they aren’t that fast. On the other hand they took the bronze at the Beijing Olympics (with one leg run by the 36-year-old Nobuhara Asahara in his last race) because the United States was eliminated in a heat due to a baton drop … and then Japan was promoted to a silver medal because one of Usain Bolt’s teammate failed the doping test.

    This strategy of not making mistakes also resulted in figure skater Arakawa Shizuka winning the Olympic gold medal in 2004. She developed a program that she knew she could nail 99 percent of the time but would not win against her risk-taking Russian rival if the rival performed perfectly. The rival reached for the stars, took a tumble, and Arakawa got the gold. It’s not the sort of story that is super inspirational, “Throw caution to the wind and go for it!,” but the only thing anyone remembers now is that she was the gold medalist, and she’s been cashing in on it ever since.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The American 4x100m sprint relay team is like if you told Ali, Frasier, Foreman, and Liston that they need to team up.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    I guess "inspirational" is subjective, but personally I find far more inspiration from "I became rich by working hard and being frugal" than I do from "I became rich by spending 100 bucks a week on the lottery until I hit it big after 40 years"

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  14. Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it’s the same demographic.

    Same for showboating, like when a defensive player celebrates a turnover return for a touchdown by slowing down and dancing before he gets to the end zone such that the ball gets stripped by a guy (usually white) hustling from the other team on what seems like a lost cause.

    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely, like giving the other team an extra 15 yards on the kickoff due to a celebration after scoring the tying touchdown with a minute to go.

    I don’t know how you’d quantify this, but you could start by looking at unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and ejections, maybe in situations where the score is close.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @EdwardM


    Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it’s the same demographic.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmqG0k3hGPM

    https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/gus-frerotte-headbutt/
    , @johnmark7
    @EdwardM

    Mostly in college FB I've seen receivers celebrating their catch on the way to a TD when they've fumbled the ball away or spiked it before getting into the end zone.

    Jerry Rice, as a rookie, I think, in a playoff game with the Giants made a catch down the sideline on the way to a TD when he fumbled the ball away into the end zone where a Giant fell on it. SF got crushed after that.

    In BB, Chris Webber made a few really bonehead decisions.

    , @Known Fact
    @EdwardM


    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely
     
    In a hilarious post-game press conference, a black Jets defensive lineman -- a veteran team leader and allegedly dependable veteran -- was being peppered by reporters for a blatantly stupid and gratuitous personal foul that cost the game in the last two minutes. "I understand the criticism," he replied defiantly. "But that doesn't mean I accept it."
  15. @Dmon
    Based on a quick survey of an industry which would seem to be very unforgiving of screwing up, the answer seems to be "a little".

    https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/explosives-worker/demographics/

    "The largest ethnic group of explosives workers are White, making up 66% of the population. The next highest segments are Black or African American and Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish, making up 11% and 9% respectively."

    BTW, in keeping with Department of Labor statistics that indicate consistent gender skew in occupations in which there is instant and clear feedback on success or failure:
    "12% of explosives workers are female and 88% are male."

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    From Wikipedia on the Port Chicago munitions explosion disaster during WWII:

    Composition of African American personnel

    At NSGL, the enlisted African Americans who tested in the top 30 to 40% were selected for non-labor battalion assignments. Port Chicago was manned by workers drawn from those remaining. The Navy determined that the quality of African American petty officers at Port Chicago suffered because of the absence of high-scoring black men, and that overall levels of competence were further reduced by the occasional requirement for Port Chicago to supply drafts of men with clear records for transfer to other stations. The Navy’s General Classification Test (GCT) results for the enlisted men at Port Chicago averaged 31, putting them in the lowest twelfth of the Navy.[11] Officers at Port Chicago considered the enlisted men unreliable, emotional, and lacking the capacity to understand or remember orders or instructions.[11]

    * * * *

    All 320 of the men on duty at the pier died instantly, and 390 civilians and military personnel were injured, many seriously. Among the dead were all five Coast Guard personnel posted aboard the fire barge.[36] African-American casualties totaled 202 dead and 233 injured, which accounted for 15% of all African-American casualties during World War II.[37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yeah, I know - sorry. Steve watches golf all day Saturday, then blasts out 4 posts at 2AM - it was past my bedtime. Empirically speaking (couldn't find it on the career web site), I don't recall ever having seen a black electrical power line worker either (another job where there would seem to be an advantage for being relatively mistake-free).

    One thing I was kind of trying to get at is the difference between "having the aptitude for the job, but screwing up under pressure", and simply not being able to do the job at all. One of the reasons for the general perception of black incompetence (besides general black incompetence, that is) is that any black with anything approaching competence gets promoted to Chief of Staff or President of the United States, and is taken out of the pool of useful workers. The guys at Chicago had no business being around explosives to begin with. Is there a difference between "screwing up" and just being completely unqualified?

    On a marginally related topic, that shooting at Half Moon Bay a week or so back was done by a "Chinese farm worker" in his 60s. Most of the other people he shot up were also elderly Chinese farm workers. Why are we importing 60 year old Chinese farm workers to grow weed? Is it because they're less likely to skim off the product for personal use, or are they working off the grandkids debts back home?

  16. @Anon
    Track relay teams for the U.S. in high-stakes races tend to (1) be all black, and (2) fuck up the baton hand-off.

    My theory has been that they are arrogant, don't show up to practices, don't take coaching well, don't cooperate with their teammates that they see as rivals, and never master what should be a fundamental skill. I think the coach should lay down the law and the U.S. Olympic Committee should back him up to the point of kicking the fastest runners off the team if they don't train for relays, but good luck on that.

    Japanese Olympic relay teams practice obsessively, and they don't make mistakes. On the one hand, they aren't that fast. On the other hand they took the bronze at the Beijing Olympics (with one leg run by the 36-year-old Nobuhara Asahara in his last race) because the United States was eliminated in a heat due to a baton drop ... and then Japan was promoted to a silver medal because one of Usain Bolt's teammate failed the doping test.

    This strategy of not making mistakes also resulted in figure skater Arakawa Shizuka winning the Olympic gold medal in 2004. She developed a program that she knew she could nail 99 percent of the time but would not win against her risk-taking Russian rival if the rival performed perfectly. The rival reached for the stars, took a tumble, and Arakawa got the gold. It's not the sort of story that is super inspirational, "Throw caution to the wind and go for it!," but the only thing anyone remembers now is that she was the gold medalist, and she's been cashing in on it ever since.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR

    The American 4x100m sprint relay team is like if you told Ali, Frasier, Foreman, and Liston that they need to team up.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    Team up to do what?

    , @p38ace
    @Steve Sailer

    That would be like having Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt on a team at LeMans in 1967. Foyt would shout up and listen to everything that Gurney had to say. Foyt would win the big three endurance races before he retired. Sometimes you have to but your ego aside.

  17. OT: Speaking of “error prone” blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date (who is actually an undercover Project Veritas reporter) that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but “you’ve got to promise not to tell anyone.”

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/wow-pfizer-does-not-deny-anything?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=99460408&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date ... that the company is engineering fun new virus variants
     
    So was he expecting to top or bottom that?

    Replies: @Meretricious

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    Speaking of “error prone” blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date ...
     
    There are several words in that dozen that makes this story dramatically less credible.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Corvinus
    @Hypnotoad666

    “that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but “you’ve got to promise not to tell anyone.”

    You’re f—— spreading disinformation.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/01/28/no-project-veritas-video-doesnt-prove-pfizer-is-mutating-covid-19-who-is-jordon-trishton-walker/amp/

    MM+M and other media outlets have been unable to verify that Walker works for Pfizer — or even exists. He lacks a digital presence on every major technology platform.

  18. Football offers other examples for this sort of analysis:

    – False start penalties. Do black or white linemen get penalized for false starts more?

    – Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Who gets them at a higher rate?

    – Delay of game penalties. Do black or white QBs get penalized for them more?

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Dave Pinsen

    When the Patriots won a Superbowl with Brady, Gronk, Edelman etc., somebody analyzed demographics of Superbowl winning teams and found that they were slightly whiter than the NFL norm. As recently as last year, the Rams had Stafford, Higbee, Kupp, and Skowronek at the "skill positions", and also started at least four whites on defense if memory serves. Further validating the idea that you do want conscientious whites on your team.

    When Jack Del Rio coached the Raiders, he insisted that all starters be black except at QB, kicker, and punter. The team was absolutely god-awful and I remember insinuations that some of the black O-line were deliberately letting the QB get battered later in the season.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  19. So, I start reading about punters and snappers. Yeah. I start reading about guys punting and snapping for a moment or two…

    While I and everybody else I know spends a life working and getting up and living…

    While this idiotic blog entry is about punting and snapping.

    Who. The. Fuck. Cares ???

    Punting and snapping. For a moment or two. Does this really matter?

    No.

    But our sick culture makes it matter.

    Good day.

    Oh, and yes, “Blacks!” are more error prone. Does this really surprise anybody here? No, it doesn’t. Sub-Saharan Africans are Sub-Humans of another species that is inferior. Everybody here knows that, but we will spend endless months and years here discussing that fact and its implications.

    • LOL: Meretricious
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Steve notices shit and writes about it. There are hits and misses. And sometimes it's banal. True.

  20. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Danindc
    Yes, they are. That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it’s much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won’t necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot’s “job” will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous


    ...The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.'
     
    Except when it doesn't.

    Actually given that such planes will be pretty boring to monitor, I'd like the 'pilot' to be the conscientious type -- like I don't want him to take a nap. Figure blacks are a good choice in that respect?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it’s much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won’t necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot’s “job” will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Well that makes me feel great.

    So in an emergency both the pilot and computer shrug in confusion.

    Thanks but I'd rather stick with high standards.

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    Who is going to fly in a plane when the pilot is on the ground?

    If there isn't someone in the cockpit, I'm not flying.

    The question isn't automation, the issue is the risk of adequate corrective response when the situation and circumstances change.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Commercial aircraft will become like the Space Shuttle, which is theoretically completely autonomous, capable of flying and landing itself, though for reasons of professional pride Shuttle pilots insist on landing 'their' ship themselves. They take control just moments before landing and bring the vehicle down under manual control the last few miles. It allows them to call themselves 'pilots' with a straight face.

    This goes back to the earliest astronauts, who really disliked the idea of just being passive passengers on a ship that flew itself. They insisted on there being actual controls and instruments for them to manipulate and control in flight, and the engineers obliged. This sop to professional pride was important for morale and espirit de corps.

    I imagine that the future 'pilots' of autonomous commercial aircraft will do the same. They'll be at the controls for a few minutes at takeoff and/or landing, but otherwise the plane will fly itself.

  21. iSteve: “let’s compare everything to sports”.

    What a stupid, boring post. I think what annoys me about this type of posts by Steve is that he and his readers seem to think that is some sort of brilliant insight. Well, I don’t watch the NFL, and I don’t care, but comparing everything to sports is just a stupid, lazy thing.

    “Are Blacks more error prone?” is also a kind of stupid, vague question. Depends on what, really. In rap, pimping and basketball, probably not.

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it’s not a very intellectually demanding job unless you’re a detective). It’s about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo, @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    , @xyxxyz
    @Dumbo

    I always stop reading after the first sentence when Steve is going to give us some SPORTS SHIT.
    If I wanted to read any sports news(AND I DON'T) I'd read SI. It's a shame too but otherwise SS is A1

    , @ic1000
    @Dumbo

    You shouldn't write posts that don't interest me vs. I'll skip over posts that don't interest me.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Dumbo


    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it’s not a very intellectually demanding job unless you’re a detective). It’s about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)
     
    There’s plenty of occupational data on IQ. It’s the best predictor of performance in virtually every occupation (though obviously not the only predictor). Even if you look at low skilled factory workers, IQ makes a difference with accidents (ie ‘errors’), injuries etc. Charles Murray even looked at police work and test scores specifically and found the same thing. LEO is like any other occupation - if you raise the salary and implement testing you can get higher quality LEOs that are more competent and less impulsive etc. If you lower standards and implement aggressive affirmative action you get more incidents like this.

    As I’ve noted before, there’s really only two ways we become a well functioning country again: (1) separation/ secession or (2) we completely accept group disparities in everything and become a pure meritocracy. I don’t see either happening. More likely we just become “Brazil but without the warm weather and fun culture” propped up by technology.

  22. @Dumbo
    iSteve: "let's compare everything to sports".

    What a stupid, boring post. I think what annoys me about this type of posts by Steve is that he and his readers seem to think that is some sort of brilliant insight. Well, I don't watch the NFL, and I don't care, but comparing everything to sports is just a stupid, lazy thing.

    "Are Blacks more error prone?" is also a kind of stupid, vague question. Depends on what, really. In rap, pimping and basketball, probably not.

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it's not a very intellectually demanding job unless you're a detective). It's about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @xyxxyz, @ic1000, @Anonymous Jew

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    • LOL: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, yeah, we get it.

    , @Dumbo
    @Steve Sailer

    Ok, well, for me it isn't much interesting or relevant, but to each his own. I suppose most of the readers here like this stuff. Cheers.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    How many negroes have you had to work in an office with, or were on a crew with, with whom you needed to depend on to get some work related task accomplished?

    And I'm not talking about some one off anecdote. I'm talking years of close working conditions.

    Is that why you use sports as your examples? Because it's the nearest you ever been to them to formulate your observations?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Steve Sailer

    In the NFL, the differences between blacks and whites all basically come down to the way they perceive their purpose there.

    In American black culture, professional sports is viewed quite plainly and unironically as a valid career aspiration, while among American whites it has always been more of a collegiate social hobby and résumé polisher. Blacks look at sports as an end in itself, while whites look at as a means to an end. Thus, black athletes go right for the glory in sports, and this tends to be reflected in every aspect of their playing careers, including their choice of positions; whereas white athletes, on the other hand, in order to supply the necessary tincture of seriousness to elevate their playing careers above a mere childish pastime, must present the matter to themselves as some sort of project.

    I'd wager that while just about every kid daydreams about being a football player, no kid, black or white, dreams about growing up to be the boring long snapper. Furthermore, every young man, black or white, has probably wanted to make at least one rash decision that would have seriously diminished his prospects for the remainder of his life had not some elder taken him aside and steered him in a better direction.

    When you put all of this together, it's easy to see that certain white athletes would be much more amenable to a coach saying "Look, son, you're not going to be Tom Brady, but you do have a certain skill set that will enable you to make $930,000 per year by throwing a football between your legs backwards, if you really work on it."

    In this realm, culture and expectations count for everything.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  23. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo, @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    Yeah, yeah, we get it.

  24. @Anonymous
    @Danindc

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it's much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won't necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot's "job" will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Forbes, @Anonymous

    …The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.’

    Except when it doesn’t.

    Actually given that such planes will be pretty boring to monitor, I’d like the ‘pilot’ to be the conscientious type — like I don’t want him to take a nap. Figure blacks are a good choice in that respect?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright



    …The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.’
     
    Except when it doesn’t.
     
    The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.


    https://media.wired.com/photos/593446a5bef1fc4e58f921c1/master/pass/us_airways_1549_sized.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @james wilson

  25. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1618942814875975680?t=OE0or2kvVseKl6QDpUpHXA&s=19

    See the response from this Hindu nationalist.

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618944190729310208?t=Xgq4pt_y9X62pmA4LTgZ2A&s=19

    He believes that whites abhor weakness - whites love to oppress "docile" Hindus and love being oppressed by big bad muslims. Is it true?

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618945455232266240?t=GgeAtPOOFJGhSkZcPVtooQ&s=19

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Skyler the Weird, @Gabe Ruth

    NRI? TLA?

    To answer Sailer’s question: white Americans committed the greatest error in human history when they imported millions of Africans as cheap labor.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  26. @Anon
    Track relay teams for the U.S. in high-stakes races tend to (1) be all black, and (2) fuck up the baton hand-off.

    My theory has been that they are arrogant, don't show up to practices, don't take coaching well, don't cooperate with their teammates that they see as rivals, and never master what should be a fundamental skill. I think the coach should lay down the law and the U.S. Olympic Committee should back him up to the point of kicking the fastest runners off the team if they don't train for relays, but good luck on that.

    Japanese Olympic relay teams practice obsessively, and they don't make mistakes. On the one hand, they aren't that fast. On the other hand they took the bronze at the Beijing Olympics (with one leg run by the 36-year-old Nobuhara Asahara in his last race) because the United States was eliminated in a heat due to a baton drop ... and then Japan was promoted to a silver medal because one of Usain Bolt's teammate failed the doping test.

    This strategy of not making mistakes also resulted in figure skater Arakawa Shizuka winning the Olympic gold medal in 2004. She developed a program that she knew she could nail 99 percent of the time but would not win against her risk-taking Russian rival if the rival performed perfectly. The rival reached for the stars, took a tumble, and Arakawa got the gold. It's not the sort of story that is super inspirational, "Throw caution to the wind and go for it!," but the only thing anyone remembers now is that she was the gold medalist, and she's been cashing in on it ever since.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR

    I guess “inspirational” is subjective, but personally I find far more inspiration from “I became rich by working hard and being frugal” than I do from “I became rich by spending 100 bucks a week on the lottery until I hit it big after 40 years”

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @AndrewR

    Yes, but Russian-Japanese story is different stuff. Not a good analogy.

  27. There are other mostly downside tasks in American sports, such as playing first base in baseball. First basemen aren’t expected to be spectacular defensive players, they are just expected to virtually never ever drop a throw.

    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Steve Garvey was an example of the first baseman who never ever drops a throw. On the other hand, Garvey was terrible at throwing the ball himself. I can recall going to a Dodger game during the exciting pennant race of 1971 in which the Dodgers were trying young Garvey at third base. He had three RBIs and two errors. Moving Garvey to first base in 1973 was perhaps the key move in building the Dodgers near-dynasty of 1974-1981 that went to four World Series. The other three infielders of 1973-1981 weren't great defenders, but they were instructed to aim low and let Garvey grab their throws out of the dirt.

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub's espirit d'corps. The four Dodger infielders of the 1970s, who set a record by starting 8 seasons together compared to only 4 straight for any other quartet of the 20th Century, didn't actually like each other that much, but they didn't have all that much to complain about each other either, in large part because Garvey rescued them from a lot of throwing errors.

    Garvey was the best defensive first baseman in the National League until Keith Hernandez came along in the later 1970s. Hernandez would have been an all-time great defensive third baseman, but he was a lefty so he had to play first.

    Replies: @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Dmon

    , @John Johnson
    @R.G. Camara

    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    First base is important in today's MLB because it is where you can put a power hitter that isn't very fast.

    It's so hard to play small ball in the MLB. Watching college softball makes you realize how much the MLB has become a pitcher's game.

    I really think you are better off with a FB that will crush the ball once in a while even if he has a low batting average. Smashing a homerun breaks those tight games and can really affect the morale of both sides.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  28. Patrick Mannelly of the Bears is the GOAT long snappers. 16 years in the league, sometime union rep, Duke grad and got on the competition committee to put in one common sense rule: no forearm shivers to the back of the head of the center when they are looking backward between their legs. This used to be legal.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Hodag

    Mannelly is also married to Tommy John's (of the famous arm surgery) daughter.

  29. @R.G. Camara

    There are other mostly downside tasks in American sports, such as playing first base in baseball. First basemen aren’t expected to be spectacular defensive players, they are just expected to virtually never ever drop a throw.
     
    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    Steve Garvey was an example of the first baseman who never ever drops a throw. On the other hand, Garvey was terrible at throwing the ball himself. I can recall going to a Dodger game during the exciting pennant race of 1971 in which the Dodgers were trying young Garvey at third base. He had three RBIs and two errors. Moving Garvey to first base in 1973 was perhaps the key move in building the Dodgers near-dynasty of 1974-1981 that went to four World Series. The other three infielders of 1973-1981 weren’t great defenders, but they were instructed to aim low and let Garvey grab their throws out of the dirt.

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub’s espirit d’corps. The four Dodger infielders of the 1970s, who set a record by starting 8 seasons together compared to only 4 straight for any other quartet of the 20th Century, didn’t actually like each other that much, but they didn’t have all that much to complain about each other either, in large part because Garvey rescued them from a lot of throwing errors.

    Garvey was the best defensive first baseman in the National League until Keith Hernandez came along in the later 1970s. Hernandez would have been an all-time great defensive third baseman, but he was a lefty so he had to play first.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    When I lived in SoCal in ‘79, there was a talk show host on KABC named Ira Kastel, a rad lib, who constantly made fun of what terrible fielders Cey, Russell and Lopes were. Never knew if his impression was accurate.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer


    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub’s espirit d’corps.
     
    I think there was a statistic (isn't there always?) where the way to forsee a team will have a large improvement the following season is whether the previous season/spring training saw the team make few errors but happened to lose a lot of 1-run games. Even if the previous season they didn't finish that high if their error #/rate was low it shows the team is jelling, and the 1-run game losses were statistically toss ups that should go 50-50 instead of the bad luck they had the previous season, so that means that the next season that will carry over into the stats overcorrecting into winning a high percentage of 1-run games with the teammates motivating each other.
    , @Dmon
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve Garvey was one of the few first baseman who actually caught low throws correctly, i.e. with the open side of the mitt facing down (that's why they call it a trapper's mitt, because you can trap the ball against the ground). Most guys face the mitt up and try to swoop the glove up on the bounce. Garvey just let the ball bounce into his glove.

  30. While black players dominate the defensive backfield positions in the NFL, the all time leader in interceptions remains white safety Paul Krause who retired in 1979 – no active player is anywhere near. In fact, there’s a long term decline in the number of interceptions as a proportion of passes.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/02/nfl-interception-rate-decline

    The statistic has only been counted recently, but an element of this is the emergence of the phenomenon of dropped interceptions, which have been rising at the same time as the number of interceptions has been falling. Is the numerical dominance black players as defensive backs one of the reasons for this?

    It should be noted that recently retired white safety Eric Weddle (isteve alert – who started 21 games at CB in college) also had some bad drops.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon55uu

    Yeah, you can see why these phenomenal athletes at cornerback are cornerbacks rather than receivers: they drop too many passes.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  31. @Anon55uu
    While black players dominate the defensive backfield positions in the NFL, the all time leader in interceptions remains white safety Paul Krause who retired in 1979 - no active player is anywhere near. In fact, there’s a long term decline in the number of interceptions as a proportion of passes.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/02/nfl-interception-rate-decline

    The statistic has only been counted recently, but an element of this is the emergence of the phenomenon of dropped interceptions, which have been rising at the same time as the number of interceptions has been falling. Is the numerical dominance black players as defensive backs one of the reasons for this?

    It should be noted that recently retired white safety Eric Weddle (isteve alert - who started 21 games at CB in college) also had some bad drops.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, you can see why these phenomenal athletes at cornerback are cornerbacks rather than receivers: they drop too many passes.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Steve Sailer

    That's the old joke you'll hear announcers say when a DB drops an interception:

    "Well, if he could catch, he'd be playing wide receiver."

  32. @Dumbo
    iSteve: "let's compare everything to sports".

    What a stupid, boring post. I think what annoys me about this type of posts by Steve is that he and his readers seem to think that is some sort of brilliant insight. Well, I don't watch the NFL, and I don't care, but comparing everything to sports is just a stupid, lazy thing.

    "Are Blacks more error prone?" is also a kind of stupid, vague question. Depends on what, really. In rap, pimping and basketball, probably not.

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it's not a very intellectually demanding job unless you're a detective). It's about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @xyxxyz, @ic1000, @Anonymous Jew

    I always stop reading after the first sentence when Steve is going to give us some SPORTS SHIT.
    If I wanted to read any sports news(AND I DON’T) I’d read SI. It’s a shame too but otherwise SS is A1

  33. @Dumbo
    iSteve: "let's compare everything to sports".

    What a stupid, boring post. I think what annoys me about this type of posts by Steve is that he and his readers seem to think that is some sort of brilliant insight. Well, I don't watch the NFL, and I don't care, but comparing everything to sports is just a stupid, lazy thing.

    "Are Blacks more error prone?" is also a kind of stupid, vague question. Depends on what, really. In rap, pimping and basketball, probably not.

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it's not a very intellectually demanding job unless you're a detective). It's about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @xyxxyz, @ic1000, @Anonymous Jew

    You shouldn’t write posts that don’t interest me vs. I’ll skip over posts that don’t interest me.

  34. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The American 4x100m sprint relay team is like if you told Ali, Frasier, Foreman, and Liston that they need to team up.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    Team up to do what?

  35. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1618942814875975680?t=OE0or2kvVseKl6QDpUpHXA&s=19

    See the response from this Hindu nationalist.

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618944190729310208?t=Xgq4pt_y9X62pmA4LTgZ2A&s=19

    He believes that whites abhor weakness - whites love to oppress "docile" Hindus and love being oppressed by big bad muslims. Is it true?

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618945455232266240?t=GgeAtPOOFJGhSkZcPVtooQ&s=19

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Skyler the Weird, @Gabe Ruth

    I don’t recall seeing any dot Indians in Dopesick.

    A few years back Mr Moneybags at Church decided we were going to open a Christian school in Anwar Pradesh. He was saying that the kids would learn English and get jobs at Tech firms in Hyderabad. I said these kids are Dalits and won’t get hired. These companies only hire within their Caste.

    The H1bs here do the same thing. The Hindu CEO hires and promotes within his caste and is slowly weeding out American Whites and Blacks(and Indian programmers are as competent as blacks). They are hiring non whites so they can say it’s a diverse company. If they keep most of the work remote in India they can pay less and not worry about paying for benefits.

  36. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Speaking of "error prone" blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date (who is actually an undercover Project Veritas reporter) that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but "you've got to promise not to tell anyone."

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/wow-pfizer-does-not-deny-anything?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=99460408&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date … that the company is engineering fun new virus variants

    So was he expecting to top or bottom that?

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Almost Missouri


    So was he expecting to top or bottom that?
     
    Based on his persona in video, bottoms up
  37. @Hypnotoad666
    There goes Steve noticing stuff again. But once you mention it, the lily white kicker demographic is pretty obvious and pretty odd. Here's a 2019 article that confirms the whiteness of kicking:

    In the NFL, Marquette King is the lone black punter or kicker to see significant action recently. There are nearly 900 scholarships available for specialists at the Division I level, but Harvin and Oregon State’s Caleb Lightbourn represent the rare exceptions to the all-white demographic at big schools, and even at historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs), the kickers and punters are more likely to be white than not. There are a handful of Hispanic kickers and a boatload of Australian punters, but finding a black athlete at those positions is a complete aberration. https://andscape.com/features/in-football-its-harder-to-find-a-black-kicker-than-a-black-qb/
     
    The idea of being "error prone," is an interesting hypothesis. Although, I am not sure why there is any reason to think blacks are more "error prone" than whites in repetitive, highly-practiced, athletic performance. More likely, it's just that (a) whites are at least equally good at athletic consistency as blacks; (b) consistency is the most important part of kicking; (c) blacks thus have no inherent advantage over whites in kicking (like they do in moat other positions which put a premium on speed); therefore: (d) kicker demographics are basically more in line with the majority white demographic of the country (or perhaps, more specifically, the relevant pool of individuals who are willing to train hard by themselves for a hyper-specialized event), simply because blacks have no inherent advantage in the position.

    It's also weird that the PC police haven't picked up on this "disproportionate" underrepresentation as a manifestation of "systemic racism."

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    I seem to remember that a lot of kickers in the HCBU SWAC missed a lot of extra points back in the Days before they lost all the good high school players to Alabama and LSU.

  38. Crucial typo alert:

    punting is to now screw up

    S/b “punting is to not screw up”

    Also could be split infinitive alert, but I understand Steve is accentuating the negative here.

    Speaking of split infinitives,

    to virtually never ever drop

    Steve swingin’ for the fences!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Artcle should be retitled “Conservative white Writers in the Bedroom closets More Error Prone?”

  39. I would think putting in golf would be a domain similar to snapping a football. I leave the analysis to others more familiar with the players.

  40. Shooting free throws in basketball would have a lot of data.

  41. @ginger bread man
    I think positions that require making rapid, strategic calculations on your feet are going to be dominated by whites, such as quarterback.

    In basketball, the point guard also makes strategic decisions but I don’t think it required the same level of strategy as football.

    Replies: @Feryl

    The advent of in helmet radio transmissions in the 2000’s* seems to correlate to more black QBs. As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas. Basketball requires the least amount of money and parental commitment of all the sports, so blacks many of whom are of poor means figure out that it makes sense to concentrate on developing basketball skills as their ticket out of the ghetto. Non-blacks end up feeling either intimidated by blacks/not quite as desperate to develop basketball skills as blacks.

    Parents also will steer white kids toward baseball which is perceived as “safer” even though severe head injuries are fairly frequent in youth baseball, and also baseball has always been the ultimate father-son bonding sport. Blacks of course often have absent fathers. In more northern areas, white kids will also be steered toward hockey (“hockey mom’s”) even though it’s self-evidently obvious that hockey is violent. Same things apply to football, also. White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    *Watch older football games, the QB had to spent a lot of time and focus on effectively communicating with the coaches.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Feryl

    As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don't work out. The ones that are used to doing what they want normally have problems in the NFL. Those QBs that repeat the read option in the NFL eventually get slammed. It isn't merely a loss of a down when they are hit hard by a linebacker. The trend has been away from them and back to traditional QBs that are protected and look down the field.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas.

    It is unreal as to how much Blacks will play basketball. When I was in the city we had groups of Blacks that would come in for the better (White) courts during the summer. They would play from sunup to sundown. Sometimes 50 or 100. I never saw them at the coffee or ice cream shop nearby. They would stay at the court and live off gatorade. Some would even sleep overnight in a bush or on a bench.

    White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    Junior football has really dropped off the cliff in some areas. Urban White parents put their kids in soccer and lacrosse. It's all because of CTE hysteria. Even here in rural America you don't see as many kids playing football. But I wouldn't say that injuries are the main factor. There is a real problem with single moms and soft dads deciding that they don't have a sports kid because junior says he wants to play Minecraft all day.

    Replies: @Truth

  42. @Almost Missouri
    Crucial typo alert:

    punting is to now screw up
     
    S/b "punting is to not screw up"

    Also could be split infinitive alert, but I understand Steve is accentuating the negative here.

    Speaking of split infinitives,


    to virtually never ever drop
     
    Steve swingin' for the fences!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Artcle should be retitled “Conservative white Writers in the Bedroom closets More Error Prone?”

  43. @Dave Pinsen
    Football offers other examples for this sort of analysis:

    - False start penalties. Do black or white linemen get penalized for false starts more?

    - Unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. Who gets them at a higher rate?

    - Delay of game penalties. Do black or white QBs get penalized for them more?

    Replies: @Feryl

    When the Patriots won a Superbowl with Brady, Gronk, Edelman etc., somebody analyzed demographics of Superbowl winning teams and found that they were slightly whiter than the NFL norm. As recently as last year, the Rams had Stafford, Higbee, Kupp, and Skowronek at the “skill positions”, and also started at least four whites on defense if memory serves. Further validating the idea that you do want conscientious whites on your team.

    When Jack Del Rio coached the Raiders, he insisted that all starters be black except at QB, kicker, and punter. The team was absolutely god-awful and I remember insinuations that some of the black O-line were deliberately letting the QB get battered later in the season.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Feryl


    When the Patriots won a Superbowl with Brady, Gronk, Edelman etc., somebody analyzed demographics of Superbowl winning teams and found that they were slightly whiter than the NFL norm. As recently as last year, the Rams had Stafford, Higbee, Kupp, and Skowronek at the “skill positions”, and also started at least four whites on defense if memory serves. Further validating the idea that you do want conscientious whites on your team.
     
    They tend to be somewhat anonymous but where I see the NFL getting noticeably whiter is along the Offensive Lines. The tendency is now away from the giant fat kid to an athlete who played another position like Tight End using modern sports science and nutrition (and probably some chemicals) in order to bulk up to NFL Lineman size. It seems to be something of a conscious choice for white athletes - hedging that they may not make it as a quarterback or tight end but have a better shot at a steady professional career on the line. The Offensive line also tends to be one of the longer lived NFL careers as well, so these guys are trading a very small chance at a short but enormously lucrative career for a better chance at a steady return over a decade or so. And Left Tackles get paid on par with the upper end of skill position players anyway.
  44. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember this play 20 years ago. Other than Tony Romo botching a hold for a placekicker, it’s the one time I recall a non-kicker part of the equation causing a loss in a high pressure playoff game. The Giants had just brought Junkin in a week or two before.

  45. Two things about focusing on kicking, punting, and long snaps.
    At the pro level, they are very highly selected. The tail of the curve may tell us something about the mean, but watch out for confounders.

    The biggest confounder is the preponderance of black high schools where they don’t bother punting or kicking, thus have no need for a long snapper. It could be overall levels of error proneness., fewer of the kids playing soccer, or it might just be that with kids, the risk benefit really does favor going for it.
    I have a hard time seeing anyone taking up kicking as late as college.

  46. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Speaking of "error prone" blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date (who is actually an undercover Project Veritas reporter) that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but "you've got to promise not to tell anyone."

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/wow-pfizer-does-not-deny-anything?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=99460408&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    Speaking of “error prone” blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date …

    There are several words in that dozen that makes this story dramatically less credible.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @AnotherDad

    Would it help you if you were told the Pfizer diversity hire was set-up in a sting...

  47. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    I guess "inspirational" is subjective, but personally I find far more inspiration from "I became rich by working hard and being frugal" than I do from "I became rich by spending 100 bucks a week on the lottery until I hit it big after 40 years"

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, but Russian-Japanese story is different stuff. Not a good analogy.

  48. @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Steve Garvey was an example of the first baseman who never ever drops a throw. On the other hand, Garvey was terrible at throwing the ball himself. I can recall going to a Dodger game during the exciting pennant race of 1971 in which the Dodgers were trying young Garvey at third base. He had three RBIs and two errors. Moving Garvey to first base in 1973 was perhaps the key move in building the Dodgers near-dynasty of 1974-1981 that went to four World Series. The other three infielders of 1973-1981 weren't great defenders, but they were instructed to aim low and let Garvey grab their throws out of the dirt.

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub's espirit d'corps. The four Dodger infielders of the 1970s, who set a record by starting 8 seasons together compared to only 4 straight for any other quartet of the 20th Century, didn't actually like each other that much, but they didn't have all that much to complain about each other either, in large part because Garvey rescued them from a lot of throwing errors.

    Garvey was the best defensive first baseman in the National League until Keith Hernandez came along in the later 1970s. Hernandez would have been an all-time great defensive third baseman, but he was a lefty so he had to play first.

    Replies: @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Dmon

    When I lived in SoCal in ‘79, there was a talk show host on KABC named Ira Kastel, a rad lib, who constantly made fun of what terrible fielders Cey, Russell and Lopes were. Never knew if his impression was accurate.

  49. @Mark G.
    I don't know a lot about sports, but I've trained and worked with a number of blacks in accounting type work over the years. I think they actually do better and make fewer mistakes in emergency type situations where fast thinking is required. Where they don't do well is long term planning. Sometimes you can wait until the emergency situation and improvise but that can also get you in trouble. I always have a Plan B if my Plan A fails. Some of my black coworkers don't have any plan at all.

    You can also see that in how blacks and whites differ in music. I'm an amateur musician. Blacks seem to be definitely better at musical improvisation and excel in forms of music like jazz that use a lot of improvisation. There is no way I could musically improvise without making a lot of errors. I need to practice, practice, practice to get through something error free. That's pretty typical for whites: take something written down, practice over and over, and then play it. They can't end up with something like Charlie Parker, but they can end up with something like Beethoven.

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn't pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Meretricious, @prosa123

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    Excellent comment, Mark G.

    I’m unconvinced on “quick error free thinking” from blacks–be interesting to test. But your HBD explanation on white planning–and I’d say “conscientiousness”–is–pretty sure–spot on.

    There’s a lot of focus in HBD circles on IQ, but conscientiousness by itself is a huge factor in how pleasant a society is to live in–and definitely has been selected for in people who do agriculture at latitude. Even among hunter gatherers the smartest and most conscientious are the eskimos–and other artic people. No great shakes compared to settled white people, but are far cry from tropical hunter gatherers. You just have to have your act together in a more serious way to survive up north.

    Finally cooperation, which helps enable social trust is huge as well. With Western Christian nations melded together under Christianity–and the Japanese, through some totally different mechanism–the world standouts in high-social trust.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @AnotherDad


    Finally cooperation, which helps enable social trust is huge as well. With Western Christian nations melded together under Christianity–and the Japanese, through some totally different mechanism–the world standouts in high-social trust.
     
    Well said, AD. A society/civilization can get a hell of a lot more done if its citizens don't have to spend a lot of time looking over their shoulders to see if someone is getting ready to cheat/harm them and theirs.

    Adam Smith said, "there is a great deal of ruin in a nation", but TPTB seem determined to find out just how much.

    2) Don Beebe runs down Leon Lett.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqG6lgYirf0
  50. @Mark G.
    I don't know a lot about sports, but I've trained and worked with a number of blacks in accounting type work over the years. I think they actually do better and make fewer mistakes in emergency type situations where fast thinking is required. Where they don't do well is long term planning. Sometimes you can wait until the emergency situation and improvise but that can also get you in trouble. I always have a Plan B if my Plan A fails. Some of my black coworkers don't have any plan at all.

    You can also see that in how blacks and whites differ in music. I'm an amateur musician. Blacks seem to be definitely better at musical improvisation and excel in forms of music like jazz that use a lot of improvisation. There is no way I could musically improvise without making a lot of errors. I need to practice, practice, practice to get through something error free. That's pretty typical for whites: take something written down, practice over and over, and then play it. They can't end up with something like Charlie Parker, but they can end up with something like Beethoven.

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn't pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Meretricious, @prosa123

    Writing in the 1930s, Theodor Adorno began by denying that jazz had any of the qualities for which it was praised: it was not expressive and spontaneous. Rather, he thought it was essentially formulaic, banal, and – worst of all – fashionable. IMO that is mostly true.

  51. Long snappers get very few opportunities for elaborate touchdown dances.

  52. I thought they used the second string quarterback as placeholder was that he could be available for a fake kick

  53. @Anonymous
    @Danindc

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it's much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won't necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot's "job" will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Forbes, @Anonymous

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it’s much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won’t necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot’s “job” will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Well that makes me feel great.

    So in an emergency both the pilot and computer shrug in confusion.

    Thanks but I’d rather stick with high standards.

  54. High level sports is probably the only area of American life where blacks don’t have grace to screw up without consequences, so it’s probably not a very reliable example – or it may be the exception that proves the rule. Perhaps criminal organizations have a similar zero tolerance policy for screw ups, but naturally they don’t get the kind of media coverage that other organizations do because their existence and activities are illegal and purposely shielded from public view.

    Of course, having grown up in a society in which just showing up is treated as a triumph will create attitudes of extreme nonchalance where otherwise there should be focus and intensity. You’ll just never develop that “muscle” that can be brought to bear in important tasks. If you’re prone to screw ups in the first place, but screw ups have minimal personal impacts on you, you’re going to be a bigger and bigger screw up as your influence grows.

    Of course there are competent blacks, but they’re like diamonds so they tend to be fought over in our diversity mad age.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Of course, having grown up in a society in which just showing up is treated as a triumph will create attitudes of extreme nonchalance where otherwise there should be focus and intensity.

    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?

    I honestly wish that were the case but everything I have seen and read suggests that the politically incorrect is true.

    If you watch First 48 you will see numerous cases where a Black perp shot a victim during an armed robbery. Why shoot the victim if he is compliant? What is the point if the goal is to rob?

    Half the time the perp doesn't know. He just stairs at the floor or does the tooth whistle.

    Well these types stupid crimes add up to a lot of life sentences. If we could admit to some of these differences it would lead towards finding solutions that actually work. If young Black males need additional structure to keep them from committing such crimes then so be it. Currently our society encourages single moms and assumes Blacks are merely tanned Swedes that need to be freed from White tyranny.

    It's harsh but I don't believe there is a single teacher in a mixed area that believes Black and White kids have similar levels of impulse control. Those teachers are mostly liberal but also know that society is lying.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  55. Yo Steve, I found the greatest Flight from White yet.

    America’s preeminent white alpha male from the last half decade… Isn’t white anymore:

  56. @EdwardM
    Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it's the same demographic.

    Same for showboating, like when a defensive player celebrates a turnover return for a touchdown by slowing down and dancing before he gets to the end zone such that the ball gets stripped by a guy (usually white) hustling from the other team on what seems like a lost cause.

    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely, like giving the other team an extra 15 yards on the kickoff due to a celebration after scoring the tying touchdown with a minute to go.

    I don't know how you'd quantify this, but you could start by looking at unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and ejections, maybe in situations where the score is close.

    Replies: @Truth, @johnmark7, @Known Fact

    Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it’s the same demographic.

    https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/gus-frerotte-headbutt/

  57. @Feryl
    @Dave Pinsen

    When the Patriots won a Superbowl with Brady, Gronk, Edelman etc., somebody analyzed demographics of Superbowl winning teams and found that they were slightly whiter than the NFL norm. As recently as last year, the Rams had Stafford, Higbee, Kupp, and Skowronek at the "skill positions", and also started at least four whites on defense if memory serves. Further validating the idea that you do want conscientious whites on your team.

    When Jack Del Rio coached the Raiders, he insisted that all starters be black except at QB, kicker, and punter. The team was absolutely god-awful and I remember insinuations that some of the black O-line were deliberately letting the QB get battered later in the season.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    When the Patriots won a Superbowl with Brady, Gronk, Edelman etc., somebody analyzed demographics of Superbowl winning teams and found that they were slightly whiter than the NFL norm. As recently as last year, the Rams had Stafford, Higbee, Kupp, and Skowronek at the “skill positions”, and also started at least four whites on defense if memory serves. Further validating the idea that you do want conscientious whites on your team.

    They tend to be somewhat anonymous but where I see the NFL getting noticeably whiter is along the Offensive Lines. The tendency is now away from the giant fat kid to an athlete who played another position like Tight End using modern sports science and nutrition (and probably some chemicals) in order to bulk up to NFL Lineman size. It seems to be something of a conscious choice for white athletes – hedging that they may not make it as a quarterback or tight end but have a better shot at a steady professional career on the line. The Offensive line also tends to be one of the longer lived NFL careers as well, so these guys are trading a very small chance at a short but enormously lucrative career for a better chance at a steady return over a decade or so. And Left Tackles get paid on par with the upper end of skill position players anyway.

  58. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon55uu

    Yeah, you can see why these phenomenal athletes at cornerback are cornerbacks rather than receivers: they drop too many passes.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    That’s the old joke you’ll hear announcers say when a DB drops an interception:

    “Well, if he could catch, he’d be playing wide receiver.”

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Steve Garvey was an example of the first baseman who never ever drops a throw. On the other hand, Garvey was terrible at throwing the ball himself. I can recall going to a Dodger game during the exciting pennant race of 1971 in which the Dodgers were trying young Garvey at third base. He had three RBIs and two errors. Moving Garvey to first base in 1973 was perhaps the key move in building the Dodgers near-dynasty of 1974-1981 that went to four World Series. The other three infielders of 1973-1981 weren't great defenders, but they were instructed to aim low and let Garvey grab their throws out of the dirt.

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub's espirit d'corps. The four Dodger infielders of the 1970s, who set a record by starting 8 seasons together compared to only 4 straight for any other quartet of the 20th Century, didn't actually like each other that much, but they didn't have all that much to complain about each other either, in large part because Garvey rescued them from a lot of throwing errors.

    Garvey was the best defensive first baseman in the National League until Keith Hernandez came along in the later 1970s. Hernandez would have been an all-time great defensive third baseman, but he was a lefty so he had to play first.

    Replies: @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Dmon

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub’s espirit d’corps.

    I think there was a statistic (isn’t there always?) where the way to forsee a team will have a large improvement the following season is whether the previous season/spring training saw the team make few errors but happened to lose a lot of 1-run games. Even if the previous season they didn’t finish that high if their error #/rate was low it shows the team is jelling, and the 1-run game losses were statistically toss ups that should go 50-50 instead of the bad luck they had the previous season, so that means that the next season that will carry over into the stats overcorrecting into winning a high percentage of 1-run games with the teammates motivating each other.

  60. @Dumbo
    iSteve: "let's compare everything to sports".

    What a stupid, boring post. I think what annoys me about this type of posts by Steve is that he and his readers seem to think that is some sort of brilliant insight. Well, I don't watch the NFL, and I don't care, but comparing everything to sports is just a stupid, lazy thing.

    "Are Blacks more error prone?" is also a kind of stupid, vague question. Depends on what, really. In rap, pimping and basketball, probably not.

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it's not a very intellectually demanding job unless you're a detective). It's about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @xyxxyz, @ic1000, @Anonymous Jew

    The Memphis case is not about police incompetence or affirmative action (cops in general do not need to be very smart, be they Black, White or Mexicans, it’s not a very intellectually demanding job unless you’re a detective). It’s about how to deal with violent or potentially dangerous suspects without being too violent and ending up killing the perp, or worse, an innocent person. All cops seem to have this problem in America, White and Black or Mexican. (But we would all benefit in having less Black criminals, though.)

    There’s plenty of occupational data on IQ. It’s the best predictor of performance in virtually every occupation (though obviously not the only predictor). Even if you look at low skilled factory workers, IQ makes a difference with accidents (ie ‘errors’), injuries etc. Charles Murray even looked at police work and test scores specifically and found the same thing. LEO is like any other occupation – if you raise the salary and implement testing you can get higher quality LEOs that are more competent and less impulsive etc. If you lower standards and implement aggressive affirmative action you get more incidents like this.

    As I’ve noted before, there’s really only two ways we become a well functioning country again: (1) separation/ secession or (2) we completely accept group disparities in everything and become a pure meritocracy. I don’t see either happening. More likely we just become “Brazil but without the warm weather and fun culture” propped up by technology.

  61. @Mark G.
    I don't know a lot about sports, but I've trained and worked with a number of blacks in accounting type work over the years. I think they actually do better and make fewer mistakes in emergency type situations where fast thinking is required. Where they don't do well is long term planning. Sometimes you can wait until the emergency situation and improvise but that can also get you in trouble. I always have a Plan B if my Plan A fails. Some of my black coworkers don't have any plan at all.

    You can also see that in how blacks and whites differ in music. I'm an amateur musician. Blacks seem to be definitely better at musical improvisation and excel in forms of music like jazz that use a lot of improvisation. There is no way I could musically improvise without making a lot of errors. I need to practice, practice, practice to get through something error free. That's pretty typical for whites: take something written down, practice over and over, and then play it. They can't end up with something like Charlie Parker, but they can end up with something like Beethoven.

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn't pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Meretricious, @prosa123

    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.

    One thing seldom discussed is the effects of tropical living outside of Africa. There were many other tropical areas that gave rise to civilizations, such as India, Southeast Asia, parts of China, and much of Latin America. Rarely, though, do they get much attention.

  62. @Buzz Mohawk
    So, I start reading about punters and snappers. Yeah. I start reading about guys punting and snapping for a moment or two...

    While I and everybody else I know spends a life working and getting up and living...

    While this idiotic blog entry is about punting and snapping.

    Who. The. Fuck. Cares ???

    Punting and snapping. For a moment or two. Does this really matter?

    No.

    But our sick culture makes it matter.

    Good day.

    Oh, and yes, "Blacks!" are more error prone. Does this really surprise anybody here? No, it doesn't. Sub-Saharan Africans are Sub-Humans of another species that is inferior. Everybody here knows that, but we will spend endless months and years here discussing that fact and its implications.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Steve notices shit and writes about it. There are hits and misses. And sometimes it’s banal. True.

  63. @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous


    ...The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.'
     
    Except when it doesn't.

    Actually given that such planes will be pretty boring to monitor, I'd like the 'pilot' to be the conscientious type -- like I don't want him to take a nap. Figure blacks are a good choice in that respect?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.’

    Except when it doesn’t.

    The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.'

    Kinda like firemen. Hang out with the guys, play basketball, get four days off every week...

    Just so long as they do the 'rescue the baby from the burning building' routine if and when it comes up.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    , @james wilson
    @Reg Cæsar

    I talked to a very experienced professional pilot about water landings. It looks so easy. He corrected me, leaving a small space between his thumb and index finger to demonstrate the needle you have to thread with ground effects. He didn't give himself much chance for sticking it. Maybe a computer will be able to do it in time, after they sacrifice fifty planes trying to program it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  64. @Anonymous
    @Danindc

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it's much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won't necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot's "job" will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Forbes, @Anonymous

    Who is going to fly in a plane when the pilot is on the ground?

    If there isn’t someone in the cockpit, I’m not flying.

    The question isn’t automation, the issue is the risk of adequate corrective response when the situation and circumstances change.

  65. @Feryl
    @ginger bread man

    The advent of in helmet radio transmissions in the 2000's* seems to correlate to more black QBs. As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas. Basketball requires the least amount of money and parental commitment of all the sports, so blacks many of whom are of poor means figure out that it makes sense to concentrate on developing basketball skills as their ticket out of the ghetto. Non-blacks end up feeling either intimidated by blacks/not quite as desperate to develop basketball skills as blacks.

    Parents also will steer white kids toward baseball which is perceived as "safer" even though severe head injuries are fairly frequent in youth baseball, and also baseball has always been the ultimate father-son bonding sport. Blacks of course often have absent fathers. In more northern areas, white kids will also be steered toward hockey ("hockey mom's") even though it's self-evidently obvious that hockey is violent. Same things apply to football, also. White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    *Watch older football games, the QB had to spent a lot of time and focus on effectively communicating with the coaches.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out. The ones that are used to doing what they want normally have problems in the NFL. Those QBs that repeat the read option in the NFL eventually get slammed. It isn’t merely a loss of a down when they are hit hard by a linebacker. The trend has been away from them and back to traditional QBs that are protected and look down the field.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas.

    It is unreal as to how much Blacks will play basketball. When I was in the city we had groups of Blacks that would come in for the better (White) courts during the summer. They would play from sunup to sundown. Sometimes 50 or 100. I never saw them at the coffee or ice cream shop nearby. They would stay at the court and live off gatorade. Some would even sleep overnight in a bush or on a bench.

    White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    Junior football has really dropped off the cliff in some areas. Urban White parents put their kids in soccer and lacrosse. It’s all because of CTE hysteria. Even here in rural America you don’t see as many kids playing football. But I wouldn’t say that injuries are the main factor. There is a real problem with single moms and soft dads deciding that they don’t have a sports kid because junior says he wants to play Minecraft all day.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @John Johnson


    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.
     
    Most QBs from college don't work out. Starting NFL QB is the world's hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  66. @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    Speaking of “error prone” blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date ...
     
    There are several words in that dozen that makes this story dramatically less credible.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Would it help you if you were told the Pfizer diversity hire was set-up in a sting…

  67. @Hypnotoad666
    @Dmon

    From Wikipedia on the Port Chicago munitions explosion disaster during WWII:


    Composition of African American personnel

    At NSGL, the enlisted African Americans who tested in the top 30 to 40% were selected for non-labor battalion assignments. Port Chicago was manned by workers drawn from those remaining. The Navy determined that the quality of African American petty officers at Port Chicago suffered because of the absence of high-scoring black men, and that overall levels of competence were further reduced by the occasional requirement for Port Chicago to supply drafts of men with clear records for transfer to other stations. The Navy's General Classification Test (GCT) results for the enlisted men at Port Chicago averaged 31, putting them in the lowest twelfth of the Navy.[11] Officers at Port Chicago considered the enlisted men unreliable, emotional, and lacking the capacity to understand or remember orders or instructions.[11]

    * * * *

    All 320 of the men on duty at the pier died instantly, and 390 civilians and military personnel were injured, many seriously. Among the dead were all five Coast Guard personnel posted aboard the fire barge.[36] African-American casualties totaled 202 dead and 233 injured, which accounted for 15% of all African-American casualties during World War II.[37] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster
     

    Replies: @Dmon

    Yeah, I know – sorry. Steve watches golf all day Saturday, then blasts out 4 posts at 2AM – it was past my bedtime. Empirically speaking (couldn’t find it on the career web site), I don’t recall ever having seen a black electrical power line worker either (another job where there would seem to be an advantage for being relatively mistake-free).

    One thing I was kind of trying to get at is the difference between “having the aptitude for the job, but screwing up under pressure”, and simply not being able to do the job at all. One of the reasons for the general perception of black incompetence (besides general black incompetence, that is) is that any black with anything approaching competence gets promoted to Chief of Staff or President of the United States, and is taken out of the pool of useful workers. The guys at Chicago had no business being around explosives to begin with. Is there a difference between “screwing up” and just being completely unqualified?

    On a marginally related topic, that shooting at Half Moon Bay a week or so back was done by a “Chinese farm worker” in his 60s. Most of the other people he shot up were also elderly Chinese farm workers. Why are we importing 60 year old Chinese farm workers to grow weed? Is it because they’re less likely to skim off the product for personal use, or are they working off the grandkids debts back home?

  68. @R.G. Camara

    There are other mostly downside tasks in American sports, such as playing first base in baseball. First basemen aren’t expected to be spectacular defensive players, they are just expected to virtually never ever drop a throw.
     
    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    First base is important in today’s MLB because it is where you can put a power hitter that isn’t very fast.

    It’s so hard to play small ball in the MLB. Watching college softball makes you realize how much the MLB has become a pitcher’s game.

    I really think you are better off with a FB that will crush the ball once in a while even if he has a low batting average. Smashing a homerun breaks those tight games and can really affect the morale of both sides.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @John Johnson

    lol. Shut up, fed.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  69. @Steve Sailer
    @R.G. Camara

    Steve Garvey was an example of the first baseman who never ever drops a throw. On the other hand, Garvey was terrible at throwing the ball himself. I can recall going to a Dodger game during the exciting pennant race of 1971 in which the Dodgers were trying young Garvey at third base. He had three RBIs and two errors. Moving Garvey to first base in 1973 was perhaps the key move in building the Dodgers near-dynasty of 1974-1981 that went to four World Series. The other three infielders of 1973-1981 weren't great defenders, but they were instructed to aim low and let Garvey grab their throws out of the dirt.

    I have a theory that Not Making Errors is really good for a ballclub's espirit d'corps. The four Dodger infielders of the 1970s, who set a record by starting 8 seasons together compared to only 4 straight for any other quartet of the 20th Century, didn't actually like each other that much, but they didn't have all that much to complain about each other either, in large part because Garvey rescued them from a lot of throwing errors.

    Garvey was the best defensive first baseman in the National League until Keith Hernandez came along in the later 1970s. Hernandez would have been an all-time great defensive third baseman, but he was a lefty so he had to play first.

    Replies: @anonymous, @R.G. Camara, @Dmon

    Steve Garvey was one of the few first baseman who actually caught low throws correctly, i.e. with the open side of the mitt facing down (that’s why they call it a trapper’s mitt, because you can trap the ball against the ground). Most guys face the mitt up and try to swoop the glove up on the bounce. Garvey just let the ball bounce into his glove.

  70. @John Johnson
    @R.G. Camara

    True. But smart, dynasty teams learn that a great defensive first baseman is actually pretty dang important to winning, regardless of how ignored it is by casual fans and sportswriters. E.g. Steve Garvey, Tino Martinez, and Lou Gehrig were all outstanding defensive first basemen on dynasty teams.

    First base is important in today's MLB because it is where you can put a power hitter that isn't very fast.

    It's so hard to play small ball in the MLB. Watching college softball makes you realize how much the MLB has become a pitcher's game.

    I really think you are better off with a FB that will crush the ball once in a while even if he has a low batting average. Smashing a homerun breaks those tight games and can really affect the morale of both sides.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    lol. Shut up, fed.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @R.G. Camara

    lol. Shut up, fed.

    Oh am I paid to talk about baseball and racial differences?

    Go over to Anglin or Whitney's blog where everyone convinces themselves that any dissenter must be Jewish or a paid Fed.

    The war is going so well for Putin. Who but a Fed would question its great success?

    Maybe Steve can open a conf champ thread so I can get paid to talk about the Bengals.

  71. Female cops are also more error prone.

  72. @John Johnson
    @Feryl

    As does the proliferation of dumbed down college offenses in which the QB runs frequently in lieu of going through their progressions and having sustained pocket awareness.

    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don't work out. The ones that are used to doing what they want normally have problems in the NFL. Those QBs that repeat the read option in the NFL eventually get slammed. It isn't merely a loss of a down when they are hit hard by a linebacker. The trend has been away from them and back to traditional QBs that are protected and look down the field.

    Getting good at basketball requires lots and lots of practice. It also requires putting up with testosterone addled young blacks in many areas.

    It is unreal as to how much Blacks will play basketball. When I was in the city we had groups of Blacks that would come in for the better (White) courts during the summer. They would play from sunup to sundown. Sometimes 50 or 100. I never saw them at the coffee or ice cream shop nearby. They would stay at the court and live off gatorade. Some would even sleep overnight in a bush or on a bench.

    White parents perceive basketball as full of dangerous ghetto blacks and think of hockey and football as more wholesome in spite of how dangerous those sports are.

    Junior football has really dropped off the cliff in some areas. Urban White parents put their kids in soccer and lacrosse. It's all because of CTE hysteria. Even here in rural America you don't see as many kids playing football. But I wouldn't say that injuries are the main factor. There is a real problem with single moms and soft dads deciding that they don't have a sports kid because junior says he wants to play Minecraft all day.

    Replies: @Truth

    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.

    Most QBs from college don’t work out. Starting NFL QB is the world’s hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Truth


    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.
     
    Most QBs from college don’t work out. Starting NFL QB is the world’s hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    Well statistically most NFL players don't work out even if they make the team.

    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.

    That isn't a career and most remain second string which means they don't play. About 8 are declared inactive before the season stars which means they are paid to watch.

    But it's still far better than the MLB and their slave labor AAA system.

    Replies: @Truth

  73. There’s no way to be the G.O.A.T at long snapping, but there is always a way to be the goat of the game: snap it over the target’s head.

    This month is the 20th anniversary of Trey Junkin becoming famous.

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright



    …The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.’
     
    Except when it doesn’t.
     
    The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.


    https://media.wired.com/photos/593446a5bef1fc4e58f921c1/master/pass/us_airways_1549_sized.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @james wilson

    ‘The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.’

    Kinda like firemen. Hang out with the guys, play basketball, get four days off every week…

    Just so long as they do the ‘rescue the baby from the burning building’ routine if and when it comes up.

    • Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Colin Wright


    Kinda like firemen. Hang out with the guys, play basketball, get four days off every week…

    Just so long as they do the ‘rescue the baby from the burning building’ routine if and when it comes up.
     
    That was the problem in Uvalde. Buncha assclowns with thigh holsters and tactical sunglasses. Sorry, if you're gonna wear that shit, you gotta run into the school when the kid is shooting it up.
  75. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1618942814875975680?t=OE0or2kvVseKl6QDpUpHXA&s=19

    See the response from this Hindu nationalist.

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618944190729310208?t=Xgq4pt_y9X62pmA4LTgZ2A&s=19

    He believes that whites abhor weakness - whites love to oppress "docile" Hindus and love being oppressed by big bad muslims. Is it true?

    https://twitter.com/AmareanSeraph/status/1618945455232266240?t=GgeAtPOOFJGhSkZcPVtooQ&s=19

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Skyler the Weird, @Gabe Ruth

    Wow that is some 🔥 take.

  76. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    High level sports is probably the only area of American life where blacks don't have grace to screw up without consequences, so it's probably not a very reliable example - or it may be the exception that proves the rule. Perhaps criminal organizations have a similar zero tolerance policy for screw ups, but naturally they don't get the kind of media coverage that other organizations do because their existence and activities are illegal and purposely shielded from public view.

    Of course, having grown up in a society in which just showing up is treated as a triumph will create attitudes of extreme nonchalance where otherwise there should be focus and intensity. You'll just never develop that "muscle" that can be brought to bear in important tasks. If you're prone to screw ups in the first place, but screw ups have minimal personal impacts on you, you're going to be a bigger and bigger screw up as your influence grows.

    Of course there are competent blacks, but they're like diamonds so they tend to be fought over in our diversity mad age.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Of course, having grown up in a society in which just showing up is treated as a triumph will create attitudes of extreme nonchalance where otherwise there should be focus and intensity.

    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?

    I honestly wish that were the case but everything I have seen and read suggests that the politically incorrect is true.

    If you watch First 48 you will see numerous cases where a Black perp shot a victim during an armed robbery. Why shoot the victim if he is compliant? What is the point if the goal is to rob?

    Half the time the perp doesn’t know. He just stairs at the floor or does the tooth whistle.

    Well these types stupid crimes add up to a lot of life sentences. If we could admit to some of these differences it would lead towards finding solutions that actually work. If young Black males need additional structure to keep them from committing such crimes then so be it. Currently our society encourages single moms and assumes Blacks are merely tanned Swedes that need to be freed from White tyranny.

    It’s harsh but I don’t believe there is a single teacher in a mixed area that believes Black and White kids have similar levels of impulse control. Those teachers are mostly liberal but also know that society is lying.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @John Johnson


    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?
     
    No, I'm suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency - a belief which those in power disguise with excuses founded in nebulous accusations of racism and oppression. Whether they're aware of it or not blacks often aren't expected to actually accomplish things - there was that study (for whatever a social science study is worth nowadays) that political liberals reduce the complexity of their speech and slow it down when talking to blacks. This is indicative of a belief that blacks are oversized children from which one cannot expect autonomous, adult behaviors.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  77. @Truth
    @John Johnson


    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.
     
    Most QBs from college don't work out. Starting NFL QB is the world's hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.

    Most QBs from college don’t work out. Starting NFL QB is the world’s hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    Well statistically most NFL players don’t work out even if they make the team.

    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.

    That isn’t a career and most remain second string which means they don’t play. About 8 are declared inactive before the season stars which means they are paid to watch.

    But it’s still far better than the MLB and their slave labor AAA system.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @John Johnson


    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.
     
    That's why they have the world's most liberal pension plan... 3 years of service and you collect benefits.

    Replies: @Thomm

  78. A bit out there,but Vox Day suggests that the Buffalo Bills guy may be dead. The NFL is doing A “Weekend at Bernies.”

  79. @R.G. Camara
    @John Johnson

    lol. Shut up, fed.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    lol. Shut up, fed.

    Oh am I paid to talk about baseball and racial differences?

    Go over to Anglin or Whitney’s blog where everyone convinces themselves that any dissenter must be Jewish or a paid Fed.

    The war is going so well for Putin. Who but a Fed would question its great success?

    Maybe Steve can open a conf champ thread so I can get paid to talk about the Bengals.

  80. @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666


    Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date ... that the company is engineering fun new virus variants
     
    So was he expecting to top or bottom that?

    Replies: @Meretricious

    So was he expecting to top or bottom that?

    Based on his persona in video, bottoms up

  81. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo, @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    Ok, well, for me it isn’t much interesting or relevant, but to each his own. I suppose most of the readers here like this stuff. Cheers.

  82. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Danindc

    Planes are increasingly automated. (In fact it's much easier to automate planes than cars.) So yes, there will be AA black pilots, but this won't necessarily lead to more accidents. The pilot's "job" will consist of just flipping some switches at the beginning of the flight and occasionally speaking to the passengers. The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @John Johnson, @Forbes, @Anonymous

    Commercial aircraft will become like the Space Shuttle, which is theoretically completely autonomous, capable of flying and landing itself, though for reasons of professional pride Shuttle pilots insist on landing ‘their’ ship themselves. They take control just moments before landing and bring the vehicle down under manual control the last few miles. It allows them to call themselves ‘pilots’ with a straight face.

    This goes back to the earliest astronauts, who really disliked the idea of just being passive passengers on a ship that flew itself. They insisted on there being actual controls and instruments for them to manipulate and control in flight, and the engineers obliged. This sop to professional pride was important for morale and espirit de corps.

    I imagine that the future ‘pilots’ of autonomous commercial aircraft will do the same. They’ll be at the controls for a few minutes at takeoff and/or landing, but otherwise the plane will fly itself.

  83. @Stan Adams
    @Danindc


    we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.
     
    We can, and we will.

    https://i.ibb.co/vsW6YRd/GUEST-da9f6368-1730-4ec6-9174-609e0a6f183f.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/bNSctWs/tumblr-000613adbc9f7c87b71f37c9d53d7afa-be030791-500.webp

    Replies: @mc23

    Hearsay alert but wretchard the cat author of the blog Belmont Club related from travels in Africa years ago that Black passengers would wander up to the cockpit before the plane took off and come back reporting everthing’s good a White man is flying.

    I would think that’s a case of nepotisim and poor training rather than innate ability but that’s problem of its own. Witness the slow motion destruction of South Africa.

  84. @Reg Cæsar
    @Colin Wright



    …The plane will take off, navigate and land on its own.’
     
    Except when it doesn’t.
     
    The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.


    https://media.wired.com/photos/593446a5bef1fc4e58f921c1/master/pass/us_airways_1549_sized.jpg

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @james wilson

    I talked to a very experienced professional pilot about water landings. It looks so easy. He corrected me, leaving a small space between his thumb and index finger to demonstrate the needle you have to thread with ground effects. He didn’t give himself much chance for sticking it. Maybe a computer will be able to do it in time, after they sacrifice fifty planes trying to program it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @james wilson

    Sully had a lot of glider experience which helped him figure out the ground effect. He had to flare the plane at just the right moment, because it would cartwheel if he landed too fast. Balls of steel and ice water in his veins.

  85. The 49ers’ black 4th string QB Josh Johnson just fumbled a snap on their own 30-yard line in the NFC Championship game, leading to an Eagles touchdown.

  86. It would be interesting to see how these positions are filled on HBCU teams.

    “How much of this is that whites are better at executing at mostly downside jobs? ”

    Yeah like “dont let the power plant blow up”.

  87. @EdwardM
    Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it's the same demographic.

    Same for showboating, like when a defensive player celebrates a turnover return for a touchdown by slowing down and dancing before he gets to the end zone such that the ball gets stripped by a guy (usually white) hustling from the other team on what seems like a lost cause.

    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely, like giving the other team an extra 15 yards on the kickoff due to a celebration after scoring the tying touchdown with a minute to go.

    I don't know how you'd quantify this, but you could start by looking at unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and ejections, maybe in situations where the score is close.

    Replies: @Truth, @johnmark7, @Known Fact

    Mostly in college FB I’ve seen receivers celebrating their catch on the way to a TD when they’ve fumbled the ball away or spiked it before getting into the end zone.

    Jerry Rice, as a rookie, I think, in a playoff game with the Giants made a catch down the sideline on the way to a TD when he fumbled the ball away into the end zone where a Giant fell on it. SF got crushed after that.

    In BB, Chris Webber made a few really bonehead decisions.

  88. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo, @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    Steve,

    How many negroes have you had to work in an office with, or were on a crew with, with whom you needed to depend on to get some work related task accomplished?

    And I’m not talking about some one off anecdote. I’m talking years of close working conditions.

    Is that why you use sports as your examples? Because it’s the nearest you ever been to them to formulate your observations?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    I recount lots of personal anecdotes as well, but they have their obvious shortcomings: small sample sizes and you don't have to believe me. In contrast, sports data is voluminous, public, and can be easily checked by skeptics.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  89. @Hodag
    Patrick Mannelly of the Bears is the GOAT long snappers. 16 years in the league, sometime union rep, Duke grad and got on the competition committee to put in one common sense rule: no forearm shivers to the back of the head of the center when they are looking backward between their legs. This used to be legal.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Mannelly is also married to Tommy John’s (of the famous arm surgery) daughter.

  90. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    How many negroes have you had to work in an office with, or were on a crew with, with whom you needed to depend on to get some work related task accomplished?

    And I'm not talking about some one off anecdote. I'm talking years of close working conditions.

    Is that why you use sports as your examples? Because it's the nearest you ever been to them to formulate your observations?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I recount lots of personal anecdotes as well, but they have their obvious shortcomings: small sample sizes and you don’t have to believe me. In contrast, sports data is voluminous, public, and can be easily checked by skeptics.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    I'll interpret that answer to mean: Very few and very seldom.

    Screwing up in a football game might annoy the gamblers, but the result doesn't really translate into real world situations. For example, in my line of work, the demographic far and away most responsible for commercial vehicle rollovers are blacks.

    I'm not sure if auto insurance companies are reliable, but observing automobile accident data by race would probably be a better indicator of black screw ups, regarding something with a legitimate consequence.

  91. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Speaking of "error prone" blacks, Pfizer diversity hire tells his Grinder date (who is actually an undercover Project Veritas reporter) that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but "you've got to promise not to tell anyone."

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/wow-pfizer-does-not-deny-anything?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=99460408&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @Corvinus

    “that the company is engineering fun new virus variants, but “you’ve got to promise not to tell anyone.”

    You’re f—— spreading disinformation.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/01/28/no-project-veritas-video-doesnt-prove-pfizer-is-mutating-covid-19-who-is-jordon-trishton-walker/amp/

    MM+M and other media outlets have been unable to verify that Walker works for Pfizer — or even exists. He lacks a digital presence on every major technology platform.

  92. @Steve Sailer
    @Dumbo

    You are right, nobody in America ever pays attention to the NFL, or could learn anything by noticing parallels between the NFL and the rest of the world.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Dumbo, @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    In the NFL, the differences between blacks and whites all basically come down to the way they perceive their purpose there.

    In American black culture, professional sports is viewed quite plainly and unironically as a valid career aspiration, while among American whites it has always been more of a collegiate social hobby and résumé polisher. Blacks look at sports as an end in itself, while whites look at as a means to an end. Thus, black athletes go right for the glory in sports, and this tends to be reflected in every aspect of their playing careers, including their choice of positions; whereas white athletes, on the other hand, in order to supply the necessary tincture of seriousness to elevate their playing careers above a mere childish pastime, must present the matter to themselves as some sort of project.

    I’d wager that while just about every kid daydreams about being a football player, no kid, black or white, dreams about growing up to be the boring long snapper. Furthermore, every young man, black or white, has probably wanted to make at least one rash decision that would have seriously diminished his prospects for the remainder of his life had not some elder taken him aside and steered him in a better direction.

    When you put all of this together, it’s easy to see that certain white athletes would be much more amenable to a coach saying “Look, son, you’re not going to be Tom Brady, but you do have a certain skill set that will enable you to make $930,000 per year by throwing a football between your legs backwards, if you really work on it.”

    In this realm, culture and expectations count for everything.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    If whites are all the long snappers, doesn't that suggest that a lot of white guys are crazy about football?

  93. @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    I recount lots of personal anecdotes as well, but they have their obvious shortcomings: small sample sizes and you don't have to believe me. In contrast, sports data is voluminous, public, and can be easily checked by skeptics.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I’ll interpret that answer to mean: Very few and very seldom.

    Screwing up in a football game might annoy the gamblers, but the result doesn’t really translate into real world situations. For example, in my line of work, the demographic far and away most responsible for commercial vehicle rollovers are blacks.

    I’m not sure if auto insurance companies are reliable, but observing automobile accident data by race would probably be a better indicator of black screw ups, regarding something with a legitimate consequence.

    • Agree: Yngvar
  94. Jim Thome didn’t hit 250 pounds until he started doing PEDs in the majors. He is another classic look at pictures of him as a rookie and when he was 30 and there isn’t any doubt.

  95. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Steve Sailer

    In the NFL, the differences between blacks and whites all basically come down to the way they perceive their purpose there.

    In American black culture, professional sports is viewed quite plainly and unironically as a valid career aspiration, while among American whites it has always been more of a collegiate social hobby and résumé polisher. Blacks look at sports as an end in itself, while whites look at as a means to an end. Thus, black athletes go right for the glory in sports, and this tends to be reflected in every aspect of their playing careers, including their choice of positions; whereas white athletes, on the other hand, in order to supply the necessary tincture of seriousness to elevate their playing careers above a mere childish pastime, must present the matter to themselves as some sort of project.

    I'd wager that while just about every kid daydreams about being a football player, no kid, black or white, dreams about growing up to be the boring long snapper. Furthermore, every young man, black or white, has probably wanted to make at least one rash decision that would have seriously diminished his prospects for the remainder of his life had not some elder taken him aside and steered him in a better direction.

    When you put all of this together, it's easy to see that certain white athletes would be much more amenable to a coach saying "Look, son, you're not going to be Tom Brady, but you do have a certain skill set that will enable you to make $930,000 per year by throwing a football between your legs backwards, if you really work on it."

    In this realm, culture and expectations count for everything.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If whites are all the long snappers, doesn’t that suggest that a lot of white guys are crazy about football?

  96. @John Johnson
    @Truth


    Most of those run and gun QBs from college don’t work out.
     
    Most QBs from college don’t work out. Starting NFL QB is the world’s hardest job as there are roughly 15 men in the world who can do it effectively, at any time. It would be like making physicists who split atoms run around while they do it, trying to avoid their co-workers knocking them on their asses.

    Well statistically most NFL players don't work out even if they make the team.

    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.

    That isn't a career and most remain second string which means they don't play. About 8 are declared inactive before the season stars which means they are paid to watch.

    But it's still far better than the MLB and their slave labor AAA system.

    Replies: @Truth

    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.

    That’s why they have the world’s most liberal pension plan… 3 years of service and you collect benefits.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Truth

    Truth my brotha!

    See here for confirmation of what you already knew :

    https://skandinaviskfrihet.se/network-of-homosexuals-exposed-in-the-alt-right-with-recordings/

    Replies: @Truth

  97. They used to say anybody can field only a few can hit. I would say kind of a special little skill that a good first baseman has is the ability to dig a throw out of the dirt or snag one that hits the dirt and takes a funny hop. It helps to be tall.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Malcolm Y

    Also making a throw to second with the runner in the way.

    Skillful black firstbasemen that come to mind include Vic Power, Alvin Davis, Kevin Young, Eddie Murray and of course Bill White. Not sure if there are any at the moment, it does seem like a pretty white position with a few Latinos sprinkled in.

  98. @Truth
    @John Johnson


    The average NFL stint is 2.5 years and that is skewed with quarterbacks like Brady. So two years is more common.
     
    That's why they have the world's most liberal pension plan... 3 years of service and you collect benefits.

    Replies: @Thomm

    Truth my brotha!

    See here for confirmation of what you already knew :

    https://skandinaviskfrihet.se/network-of-homosexuals-exposed-in-the-alt-right-with-recordings/

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Thomm

    LOL.

    Link - Saved.

  99. The AFC Championship game was officiated sloppily on Sunday, prompting #NFLRigged to trend on Twitter afterwards. The referee is pictured below.

  100. @EdwardM
    Every time there is an epic boneheaded play (e.g., Leon Lett, or that guy who ran a fumble return the wrong way the length of the field for a safety years ago), it's the same demographic.

    Same for showboating, like when a defensive player celebrates a turnover return for a touchdown by slowing down and dancing before he gets to the end zone such that the ball gets stripped by a guy (usually white) hustling from the other team on what seems like a lost cause.

    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely, like giving the other team an extra 15 yards on the kickoff due to a celebration after scoring the tying touchdown with a minute to go.

    I don't know how you'd quantify this, but you could start by looking at unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and ejections, maybe in situations where the score is close.

    Replies: @Truth, @johnmark7, @Known Fact

    Same for the really egregious penalties, like slugging the opponent with a helmet or other penalties that cost a team severely

    In a hilarious post-game press conference, a black Jets defensive lineman — a veteran team leader and allegedly dependable veteran — was being peppered by reporters for a blatantly stupid and gratuitous personal foul that cost the game in the last two minutes. “I understand the criticism,” he replied defiantly. “But that doesn’t mean I accept it.”

  101. @Malcolm Y
    They used to say anybody can field only a few can hit. I would say kind of a special little skill that a good first baseman has is the ability to dig a throw out of the dirt or snag one that hits the dirt and takes a funny hop. It helps to be tall.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Also making a throw to second with the runner in the way.

    Skillful black firstbasemen that come to mind include Vic Power, Alvin Davis, Kevin Young, Eddie Murray and of course Bill White. Not sure if there are any at the moment, it does seem like a pretty white position with a few Latinos sprinkled in.

  102. @John Johnson
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Of course, having grown up in a society in which just showing up is treated as a triumph will create attitudes of extreme nonchalance where otherwise there should be focus and intensity.

    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?

    I honestly wish that were the case but everything I have seen and read suggests that the politically incorrect is true.

    If you watch First 48 you will see numerous cases where a Black perp shot a victim during an armed robbery. Why shoot the victim if he is compliant? What is the point if the goal is to rob?

    Half the time the perp doesn't know. He just stairs at the floor or does the tooth whistle.

    Well these types stupid crimes add up to a lot of life sentences. If we could admit to some of these differences it would lead towards finding solutions that actually work. If young Black males need additional structure to keep them from committing such crimes then so be it. Currently our society encourages single moms and assumes Blacks are merely tanned Swedes that need to be freed from White tyranny.

    It's harsh but I don't believe there is a single teacher in a mixed area that believes Black and White kids have similar levels of impulse control. Those teachers are mostly liberal but also know that society is lying.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?

    No, I’m suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency – a belief which those in power disguise with excuses founded in nebulous accusations of racism and oppression. Whether they’re aware of it or not blacks often aren’t expected to actually accomplish things – there was that study (for whatever a social science study is worth nowadays) that political liberals reduce the complexity of their speech and slow it down when talking to blacks. This is indicative of a belief that blacks are oversized children from which one cannot expect autonomous, adult behaviors.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    No, I’m suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency
     
    So White people see and experience nothing but nigro dysfunction, crime, and egregious fk ups day in day out, but we're supposed to pluck out our lying eyes, do a 180 and BELIEVE IN these cursed morons. Because it's our fault for not believing in them.

    GTFO.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

  103. The most astonishing play of Mizzou’s season saw the (presumably white) Kentucky center sailing a snap from midfield all the way back to their own two, easily 1o feet over the punter’s head.

    But the punter managed to beat a Tiger rusher back to the ball and punt it about 10 yards out of bounds, all while being tackled — and the play incredibly was ruled roughing the kicker! The ball is bouncing around 50 yards behind the line of scrimmage and he apparently still had the right to kick it without being touched.

    So Ky was given possession at the Tiger 40. Keep in mind this was with about three minutes left and Mizzou trailing by only four, so that was the ballgame

  104. @Thomm
    @Truth

    Truth my brotha!

    See here for confirmation of what you already knew :

    https://skandinaviskfrihet.se/network-of-homosexuals-exposed-in-the-alt-right-with-recordings/

    Replies: @Truth

    LOL.

    Link – Saved.

  105. @Danindc
    Yes, they are. That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Anonymous, @Jim Don Bob

    That’s why we can’t have affirmative action amongst airline pilots.

    Hate to break it to you, but we can and we will have affirmative action amongst airline pilots. American Airlines has committed to having 50% of their new pilots being other that white men.

  106. @AnotherDad
    @Mark G.


    This probably goes back to the environments the two races evolved in. When our white ancestors were living in a northern climate, running out of food or firewood in the middle of the winter was a pretty big error. Whites who made such errors didn’t pass on their genes. A tropical environment, on the other hand, may have required quick error free thinking more than long term planning.
     
    Excellent comment, Mark G.

    I'm unconvinced on "quick error free thinking" from blacks--be interesting to test. But your HBD explanation on white planning--and I'd say "conscientiousness"--is--pretty sure--spot on.

    There's a lot of focus in HBD circles on IQ, but conscientiousness by itself is a huge factor in how pleasant a society is to live in--and definitely has been selected for in people who do agriculture at latitude. Even among hunter gatherers the smartest and most conscientious are the eskimos--and other artic people. No great shakes compared to settled white people, but are far cry from tropical hunter gatherers. You just have to have your act together in a more serious way to survive up north.

    Finally cooperation, which helps enable social trust is huge as well. With Western Christian nations melded together under Christianity--and the Japanese, through some totally different mechanism--the world standouts in high-social trust.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Finally cooperation, which helps enable social trust is huge as well. With Western Christian nations melded together under Christianity–and the Japanese, through some totally different mechanism–the world standouts in high-social trust.

    Well said, AD. A society/civilization can get a hell of a lot more done if its citizens don’t have to spend a lot of time looking over their shoulders to see if someone is getting ready to cheat/harm them and theirs.

    Adam Smith said, “there is a great deal of ruin in a nation”, but TPTB seem determined to find out just how much.

    2) Don Beebe runs down Leon Lett.

  107. @james wilson
    @Reg Cæsar

    I talked to a very experienced professional pilot about water landings. It looks so easy. He corrected me, leaving a small space between his thumb and index finger to demonstrate the needle you have to thread with ground effects. He didn't give himself much chance for sticking it. Maybe a computer will be able to do it in time, after they sacrifice fifty planes trying to program it.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Sully had a lot of glider experience which helped him figure out the ground effect. He had to flare the plane at just the right moment, because it would cartwheel if he landed too fast. Balls of steel and ice water in his veins.

  108. I agree that the majority of calls favored the Chiefs (isn’t that name racist?), but everybody gets a game’s worth of bad calls now and then. Ryan Clarke on Get Up said this is a fact of life and you just have to play better. But bad calls don’t hurt as much if you’re ahead by 14.

    That said, the Bengals were tied with the Chiefs late in the game and were going to overtime until the STUPID STUPID STUPID out of bounds hit on Mahomes by Bengals’ player Joseph Ossai that lost the game for the Bengals.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jim Don Bob

    Old Sport, the NFL is an entertainment venture, not a sporting one, as this missed tackle / cut blockclearly indicates; so truly, who cares?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJzpoj_NxqQ

    Besides, a logical man might argue that Joseph Ossai did not lose the game, Jim Don Bob did...

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/joseph-ossai-72450/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Jim Don Bob


    That said, the Bengals were tied with the Chiefs late in the game and were going to overtime until the STUPID STUPID STUPID out of bounds hit on Mahomes by Bengals’ player Joseph Ossai that lost the game for the Bengals.
     
    On one hand you're right. On the other hand Mahomes is so quick and so sneaky that if you don't make damn sure he's out of bounds he's gonna do that "tiptoe along the sideline for five more yards while falling out of bounds" trick.
  109. @Jim Don Bob
    I agree that the majority of calls favored the Chiefs (isn't that name racist?), but everybody gets a game's worth of bad calls now and then. Ryan Clarke on Get Up said this is a fact of life and you just have to play better. But bad calls don't hurt as much if you're ahead by 14.

    That said, the Bengals were tied with the Chiefs late in the game and were going to overtime until the STUPID STUPID STUPID out of bounds hit on Mahomes by Bengals' player Joseph Ossai that lost the game for the Bengals.

    Replies: @Truth, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    Old Sport, the NFL is an entertainment venture, not a sporting one, as this missed tackle / cut blockclearly indicates; so truly, who cares?

    Besides, a logical man might argue that Joseph Ossai did not lose the game, Jim Don Bob did…

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/joseph-ossai-72450/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Truth

    The Bengals offensive coordinator lost the game.

    No creativity whatsoever.

    Too many predictable plays and he kept going long on double covered receivers.

    He sucks.

    But the boneheaded penalties didn't help and the refs missed some serious holds.

    They also didn't blitz enough on an injured quarterback. They were playing too nice.

    I'm probably going to skip the superbowl. I can't cheer either team so I probably won't make it through the commercials.

  110. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    The American 4x100m sprint relay team is like if you told Ali, Frasier, Foreman, and Liston that they need to team up.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @p38ace

    That would be like having Dan Gurney and A.J. Foyt on a team at LeMans in 1967. Foyt would shout up and listen to everything that Gurney had to say. Foyt would win the big three endurance races before he retired. Sometimes you have to but your ego aside.

  111. British guy here who knows next to nothing about American sports, but I wonder if a similar explanation might explain why goalkeepers in Association Football (aka soccer) rarely seem to be black, at least as compared to other positions.

    Admittedly, it doesn’t entirely fit Sailer’s model.

    On the one hand, it’s not true that “there is little upside for talent”. On the contrary, the best goalkeepers make spectacular saves that prevent multiple goals.

    However, it’s certainly true that there is “a lot of downside for messing up”. The worst goalkeepers make multiple errors giving away goals.

    While I don’t have any stats on hand, my subjective impression that black goalies are a relative rarity is corroborated by this article in The New York Times, which predictably blames racism.

    Interestingly, the only black keeper whom I can remember from the days when I used to follow English football was David James, who was indeed known for being highly error-prone, being nicknamed ‘Calamity James’ in the press.

  112. @Truth
    @Jim Don Bob

    Old Sport, the NFL is an entertainment venture, not a sporting one, as this missed tackle / cut blockclearly indicates; so truly, who cares?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJzpoj_NxqQ

    Besides, a logical man might argue that Joseph Ossai did not lose the game, Jim Don Bob did...

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/joseph-ossai-72450/

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Bengals offensive coordinator lost the game.

    No creativity whatsoever.

    Too many predictable plays and he kept going long on double covered receivers.

    He sucks.

    But the boneheaded penalties didn’t help and the refs missed some serious holds.

    They also didn’t blitz enough on an injured quarterback. They were playing too nice.

    I’m probably going to skip the superbowl. I can’t cheer either team so I probably won’t make it through the commercials.

  113. @Meretricious

    An interesting question is whether blacks tend to be more error-prone than whites, all else being equal.
     
    Since blacks tend to be much lazier than whites (laziness is proven to be correlated with being error-prone), the answer is yes. You can verify this in every profession.

    Let's take filmmaking. One of the stupidest mistakes Spike Lee ever made was casting himself in the lead role in Do the Right Thing. Problem is, Spike can't act! How did he make such a dumb mistake? Chalk it up to all the negative black traits: narcissism, poor judgment, and mediocre intellect, not to mention intellectual laziness. It probably never occurred to him to get an objective opinion from a reliable casting director as to whether it was prudent to cast himself in the lead. It was a huge error, just as enormous as Barack Obama giving the nod to the Wise Latina.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

  114. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @John Johnson


    Are you suggesting that Blacks/Whites would have equal levels of impulse control if not for society?
     
    No, I'm suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency - a belief which those in power disguise with excuses founded in nebulous accusations of racism and oppression. Whether they're aware of it or not blacks often aren't expected to actually accomplish things - there was that study (for whatever a social science study is worth nowadays) that political liberals reduce the complexity of their speech and slow it down when talking to blacks. This is indicative of a belief that blacks are oversized children from which one cannot expect autonomous, adult behaviors.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    No, I’m suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency

    So White people see and experience nothing but nigro dysfunction, crime, and egregious fk ups day in day out, but we’re supposed to pluck out our lying eyes, do a 180 and BELIEVE IN these cursed morons. Because it’s our fault for not believing in them.

    GTFO.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @AceDeuce


    So White people see and experience nothing but nigro dysfunction, crime, and egregious fk ups day in day out, but we’re supposed to pluck out our lying eyes, do a 180 and BELIEVE IN these cursed morons. Because it’s our fault for not believing in them.

    GTFO.
     
    I think the issue may be more a defect in your reading faculties than in my writing. I'm not quite sure what the benefit of expecting failure and disfunction where it's not inevitable is? Do you really enjoy supporting these people to ever increasing degrees? Why not hold them accountable for falling short of their potential in society?

    There are 42 Million of these "cursed morons." What is your practical solution for sharing a nation with them?
  115. Yes, they are. That is why they cannot be given roles where serious responsibility is required. Forcing them into those roles will only cause unnecessary death and destruction.

  116. @AceDeuce
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    No, I’m suggesting that blacks would have better executive function outcomes in areas other than sports if they had the experience of accountability without a ready made excuse based in the tacit belief by pretty much everyone in power that blacks lack agency
     
    So White people see and experience nothing but nigro dysfunction, crime, and egregious fk ups day in day out, but we're supposed to pluck out our lying eyes, do a 180 and BELIEVE IN these cursed morons. Because it's our fault for not believing in them.

    GTFO.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    So White people see and experience nothing but nigro dysfunction, crime, and egregious fk ups day in day out, but we’re supposed to pluck out our lying eyes, do a 180 and BELIEVE IN these cursed morons. Because it’s our fault for not believing in them.

    GTFO.

    I think the issue may be more a defect in your reading faculties than in my writing. I’m not quite sure what the benefit of expecting failure and disfunction where it’s not inevitable is? Do you really enjoy supporting these people to ever increasing degrees? Why not hold them accountable for falling short of their potential in society?

    There are 42 Million of these “cursed morons.” What is your practical solution for sharing a nation with them?

  117. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'The joke in the industry is that pilots are overpaid every day of their careers, except one. But they make up for it all on that shift.'

    Kinda like firemen. Hang out with the guys, play basketball, get four days off every week...

    Just so long as they do the 'rescue the baby from the burning building' routine if and when it comes up.

    Replies: @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    Kinda like firemen. Hang out with the guys, play basketball, get four days off every week…

    Just so long as they do the ‘rescue the baby from the burning building’ routine if and when it comes up.

    That was the problem in Uvalde. Buncha assclowns with thigh holsters and tactical sunglasses. Sorry, if you’re gonna wear that shit, you gotta run into the school when the kid is shooting it up.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  118. @Jim Don Bob
    I agree that the majority of calls favored the Chiefs (isn't that name racist?), but everybody gets a game's worth of bad calls now and then. Ryan Clarke on Get Up said this is a fact of life and you just have to play better. But bad calls don't hurt as much if you're ahead by 14.

    That said, the Bengals were tied with the Chiefs late in the game and were going to overtime until the STUPID STUPID STUPID out of bounds hit on Mahomes by Bengals' player Joseph Ossai that lost the game for the Bengals.

    Replies: @Truth, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    That said, the Bengals were tied with the Chiefs late in the game and were going to overtime until the STUPID STUPID STUPID out of bounds hit on Mahomes by Bengals’ player Joseph Ossai that lost the game for the Bengals.

    On one hand you’re right. On the other hand Mahomes is so quick and so sneaky that if you don’t make damn sure he’s out of bounds he’s gonna do that “tiptoe along the sideline for five more yards while falling out of bounds” trick.

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