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I think the opposite is probably true. Americans despise each other /because/ we insist on framing everything as a manichean Battle of Ideas.People who think America is an abstract proposition get very angry at each other when nobody can agree on what exactly the "proposition" is https://t.co/quZdpWNBPr
— Blair Nathan (@Blair_A_Nathan) October 26, 2018
Blair continues:
To put it bluntly, Americans are /too/ ideological, and we are /not tribalized enough/. That’s why we despise each other.
For example, a lot of anti-white diatribes include accusations that whites deserved to be hated for thinking Bad Thoughts. For example, Slate’s higher IQ version of Ta-Nehisi Coates, Jamelle Bouie, appears to be convinced that when he is walking his dog, white people say hello to his dog instead of him because they are thinking Bad Thoughts about black people, which he takes very personally, instead of That’s Just How White People Are, They Like Talking to Strange Dogs More than to Strange People:
If Jamelle and Julia can agree upon anything, it’s that those deplorable Bad Thinkers deserve to be inundated by immigration.
The existence of the immigration weapon as a tool of political warfare works against that’s-just-the-way-they-are tolerance, since it’s easy to imagine your domestic political enemies being buried by immigrants, and that naturally leads to believing that they deserve to be buried by immigrants. Remove the immigration weapon from American politics, and Americans would tend to get along a little better.
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Interesting idea to debate. I think it’s a combination. We’re debating ideas over how to categorize tribal identity. So neither side thinks it’s us vs. them. It’s always “We’re just trying to show them that there is no need for ‘us vs. them’ mentality… if only they saw things add we do.”
Nevertheless, having been on both sides, the left is more at fault for this, especially since the circa 2013 collective mental breakdown.
Old fashioned liberals who wish to preserve, and conservatives intent on conserving, the American Creed--the founding documents of the Declaration and the Constitution (and the Federalist papers)--do not argue about what Nathan calls an abstraction.
Of course nobody can agree on what the "proposition" is--the concept is a post-modern invention having nothing to do with the ideas contain in the founding documents--the basis of the country. It's introduction is for the purpose of changing the conversation--a distraction.
I would put it a little differently. You can argue with people you trust but not with people you don’t trust. Look at how well the Jews tolerate dissent and ideological disagreement within their ranks. Jews tolerate communists, beatniks, conservative CEO’s, peaceniks, warhawks – all welcome at the bar mitvah.
Gentile America used to have enough common identity to tolerate a good amount of ideological debate. No more.
Blacks, Asians and Latinos are not ideological, they are tribal. About 45%o of the American population is making a racial tribal choice. The dying White population is not very ideological either with the White Elite siding with the Non-Whites to dominate the dying former White majority demographic.
This is not an matter of ideology, it is a matter of power.
Dogs are friendly, they love it when you say hello to them
“Awwww now who’s a good boy? Yes you are. Yes you are!”Replies: @MEH 0910
America, through ample brainwashing, has become a combination meritocracy/diversitocracy – or, perhaps more accurately, a (so-called) meritocracy where diversity (i.e., being anything other than white, straight, and Christian) earns you merit points, and where you lose points for being any of the above. We are all taught that minorities are valuable simply by virtue of being minorities, but whites are only valuable if they are somehow useful to us.
Does Jamelle verbally greet strangers passing him on the street? Inquiring minds want to know. Someone living in New York City with some free time and a charged up mobile phone should make an investigative video.
He walks his dog several times a day? Who does that? Does he just go out with his dog to collect grievances?
Whatever it is--any form of inconsiderate behavior (women especially, hate being ignored)--if you're looking for it, you'll find it, e.g. confirmation bias. Insecure and fragile egos regularly see the world as hostile to their sensitive needs.
A functioning nation-state depends upon a body politic that broadly agrees on certain core propositions while being willing to merely debate their implementation. America is now being undone in front of our eyes because this principle is being violated due to racial demographic changes; most of that is self-inflicted. People from different groups have different core interests – different propositions – so it is not surprising that the project is falling apart now that there will soon be no clear racial majority and no clearly agreed upon propositions. Even basic propositions like freedom of speech aren’t agreed upon anymore. For example, the growing non-white underclass, according to polls, believes “hate speech” should be illegal; it will be soon in law and already is de facto. This thing is going to end up like a Soviet dictatorship or a Venezuelan anarchostate within our lifetimes…unless, of course, the veterans turn things around:
Henry Louis Gates, who grew up in a mostly white mill town in West Virginia, says his father greeted every single black person he walked past on the street. I suspect a lot of black people would like to live in a social environment where people greeted each other a lot. It sounds nice, if you like that sort of thing.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Seinfeld+kissing+neighbors&&view=detail&mid=09CD9EB7ACB4CDD2038409CD9EB7ACB4CDD20384&&FORM=VRDGAR
Most blacks are still country folk at heart.
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks-Liberals-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1594031436
In California, women (primarily Hispanic) will walk uninvited up to your baby carriage, lift up your child, and give it a hug and a kiss ... as they wax on regarding how incredibly lucky you are to have such a beautiful child. It feels awkward, but you get caught up in the moment and think nothing of it.
In the mid-Atlantic states (influenced perhaps by recent Puritan/Yankee immigrants from New York and New England), touching or photographing a child that is not yours without explicit permission is foul play. It might lead to shouting, accusations of salacious intent, and threats to call the police.
How bad is it? If you are taking iPhone photos of your child in preschool or kindergarten in a mid-Atlantic state, you had better make sure that only your child in the frame. If not, the thought police are already looking for you.
I also notice the difference when I fly to the Midwest to visit relatives (also known, of course, as the Great Flyover). The open warmth is refreshing. It is not unusual to have a warm and memorable conversation with the bus driver taking you to the rental car facility.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes, @anon
It didn't seem at the end that integration helped their community much.
My point in the original post was that Jamelle was criticizing white people for doing to him what he himself does to white people in his neighborhood. If Jamelle is high-fivin' white passersby, the whole dog thing would not arise. What is obviously happening is that Jamelle is ignoring white people and white people are, as he interprets it, ignoring him, but commenting on his dog, as they will comment on his baby when he has one. How can he criticize them in that context, with its "dog whistle" intimation of racism?
I live in Japan and I greet passing foreigners in my neighborhood, but not in central Tokyo -- that would be weird. I greet passing Japanese when I am in front of my house, but not at the shopping street near the station, but I do greet passing foreigners there. Motorcyclists here have a special hand wave we give each other as we pass. So I would not be surprised if people in Jamelle's neighborhood have greeting customs of any sort. The point is, reading his tweet, he is accusing whites of misbehaving in a way he also misbehaves.
I see what you did there.
“Hi Doggie, are you lost? Is this man trying to steal you?”
I have been saying that tribal thinking is the human norm, it was briefly escaped by empathic and abstract-thinking white psople, we failed to maintain that, everybody else just doubled down on tribalism (and, tribally enough, babies), and now we must relearn tribal thinking.
Lesson one: the goodness of your existence is non-negotiable. You do not have to justify it and can never justify it to an enemy.
Lesson two: every people has an awful tragedy story (which may or may not be true), and it does not matter. They are bothering you about it to emotionally blind you. Nothing you say or do in a miasma of pity can actually help, assuming they’re not just flat-out lying. If you want to help them concretely and without exposure then by all means do so. If you feel moved to just do something then realize that you are non-alcoholically drunk and stop. Nothing you do will ever be enough and the goal isn’t to unmake the historical tragedy, it’s to unmake you.
I would love to have white ethno-state not because I hate others families but because I love my own. It's that simple.
One of the interesting aspects of HBD for me has been an increase in my tolerance for other tribes. Once you realize that we're just different, you stop getting mad that other groups aren't acting like your group. (Btw, most of the comments on iSteve are white guys getting mad that other groups aren't acting like us. It's odd.)
However, while understanding HBD makes you more tolerant of other groups' behavior, it also makes you realize that different tribes shouldn't be forced to live together in the same society. We are different. That's fine, but we should create separate societies so we don't have to deal with those differences.
“having been on both sides, the left is more at fault for this, especially since the circa 2013 collective mental breakdown.”
It’s amazing how fast things have changed since Obama’s first year in office. The other day I was on an old book review website from that same year and a bunch of high-brow liberals were listing the things they hate most about amateur writers and their works. Including “Mary Sue” characters was listed prominently…by the left wing female reviewers (apparently, they found it patronizing). I was honestly stunned by this. Checking around, this kind of criticism and other current year politically incorrect things were commonly voiced on the left as recently as 2009. Now, overpowered Mary Sue characters are in every terrible Jar Jar Abrams movie and anyone who points it out is labeled a hater, misogynist, or literally Hitler(TM) by the Tumbler and Twitter mob.
In retrospect, that man’s election may have been the beginning of the end for the American project. He and fellow travelers turned the government into an arm for racial payback, legitimizing this behavior on the left. Since these NPCs lack introspection, they can’t see how they are at fault and course-correct. In many ways, what Obama did was similar to the 60s Red Guard attacks in China. Mao and his servile state media provided favorable coverage to these radicals, legitimizing and encouraging further escalations in their violence against perceived heretics. Sound familiar?
Probably the only thing that could stop the left now is some kind of tremendous counter escalation that puts them in their place, something like Comcast deplatforming the entirety of NBC and MSNBC plus Tumbler. Otherwise, they’ll continue slowly escalating.
It’s a slippery slope. The “Kiss Hello” episode, for example:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Seinfeld+kissing+neighbors&&view=detail&mid=09CD9EB7ACB4CDD2038409CD9EB7ACB4CDD20384&&FORM=VRDGAR
You can’t call something that’s been top-down and accompanied by heavy-handed censorship, media propaganda monopolies, and harsh penalties for any dissenters a “self-inflicted wound.” It’s just not.
And of course, there are millions of non-elite "enforcers" who eagerly and voluntarily police the thoughts of everyone they encounter in order to root out Crimethink.
Many peoples are like that not out of friendliness but because if you ever have a problem those are the people you go to for help. Societies like that often have rigid prohibitions against failing to help a friend, which necessarily become de facto sociopathy in order to cut a path through obligations. Thus Chinese people walking past a still-breathing child run over by a truck: you can stop to help, but you cannot then stop helping.
Obviously, no, white people are not nearly tribal enough, and it’ll be the death of us. The other parts of the rainbow coalition are probably around the right amount of tribal.
I am coming to the very sad conclusion that White men just aren’t very tribal. White idenitarianism isn’t even very marketable. Greg Johnson, who produces some truly top notch content, recently admitted on TWOTAR that Devlin’s screed against White women is the best selling book on his website. Anglin gets traffic by telling the world that women aren’t human.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it’s going to get worse because of Spencer’s divorce.
Absurd. You'd have to first eliminate the severe social, financial, and physical costs to Whites who behave tribally, and also change the soft suasion of anti-White propaganda and shaming in the educational system and the culture more broadly, in order to begin to draw such a conclusion.
Witness how much effort the Jews expend on propaganda and "education" to keep tribalism alive among the Jewish population. And they don't even face any of the costs of tribalism enumerated above that Whites do.Replies: @Rosie
On top of that psychological indoctrination, we are threatened with very earthly punishments - loss of job, blackballed from other jobs, financial ruin, ostracism from society, likely loss of family due to financial ruin - for showing any racial pride.
As the sole bread winner in my family, I can tell you that those threats are tantamount to execution. You're basically calling me a wimp for not having the balls to tell Stalin to his face that he's a psychotic dick.Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie
Anglin has a small audience and odd personal history.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
How the mighty have fallen. You’re writing about the black Rodney Dangerfield now?
“Does Jamelle verbally greet strangers passing him on the street? Inquiring minds want to know.”
What this guy probably doesn’t get is that SWPL white ladies talk to your dog as a means of breaking the ice so they can say hi to you personally. Whites often consider it rude to just blurt out something without reason to someone, so they have to add a qualifier: “hello, neighbor”, “nice dog”, “it’s a nice day isn’t it, say…”. We whites are like that. We are introspective and consider how our words and thoughts affect others. We are also aware of how we look to others when we say things, so we try to be as polite as possible. Unlike this idiot here who lacks any sense of self-awareness and actually takes offense to a white lady praising his stupid dog as some kind of veiled racial insult.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
White males think of themselves as having dominion over all the peoples of the Earth to be tribal would equate to a tremendous loss of status. So they die out leaving us with anarchy perhaps.
What did he do there?
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
How could you possibly know that, with all the powerful extant confounding variables?
Absurd. You’d have to first eliminate the severe social, financial, and physical costs to Whites who behave tribally, and also change the soft suasion of anti-White propaganda and shaming in the educational system and the culture more broadly, in order to begin to draw such a conclusion.
Witness how much effort the Jews expend on propaganda and “education” to keep tribalism alive among the Jewish population. And they don’t even face any of the costs of tribalism enumerated above that Whites do.
Country folk are more into that sort of thing than city slickers, not that city slickers have much choice in the matter – there are too many people to greet in the city.
Most blacks are still country folk at heart.
“I am coming to the very sad conclusion that White men just aren’t very tribal.”
White men are indeed very tribal. Go to any video game subreddit and you’ll see immediately how tribal disaffected, lonely men can be. I dare you to claim “Xbox sux cuz it got no ‘sclusives” on r/gaming. The problem is that white men are directionless while also wanting to be seen as “good people.” They don’t know where to point these tribal feelings so they sink them into things where they can still be considered “good people.” And since white women are lower on the regressive stack than cross-dressers, racial minorities, and the like, white guys pour their angst into this more acceptable target. But things are slowly changing on that front, you just have to know where to look. White guys who are red pilled also have to be very careful in what they say.
Men are like dogs in the sense that they need purpose in order to function correctly and happily. No purpose, no direction, no perceived immediate threat, and you get no tribalism…or no productive tribalism. What you get is misdirected frustration.
“Anglin gets traffic by telling the world that women aren’t human.”
Sad, but true. He’s admitted that his anti-female stuff gets 3x+ the views of his anti-Semitic stuff, which he basically does pro bono. That’s basically disaffected men wanting to take their anger out on their own side for what has been done to them. Females really aren’t the problem as a majority or near majority of white women voted for Trump. The real problem is that poorly organized white men lack a direction and an end goal for alleviating their frustrations. The first guy who is able to say “this is what we want (a clear goal) and here is how we are going to get it (a clear path to victory)” will change that.
Implied that Bouie is not friendly, which is true but impolite to say out loud.
I’ve read this site regularly for the past decade but have only started commenting and reading the comments much since the World Series started, because my team got eliminated and I was only half watching the game.
One thing I’ve learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn’t care or think much about immigration and wouldn’t mind limiting immigration a bit. I don’t know.
I do think it’s possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don’t buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I’m starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I’m not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.
- Dem politicians are the ones who benefit from the imported voters
- Dem politicians don't compete with immigrants for jobs and housing
- Dem politicians get to keep the bribe money they're paid for supporting open borders
Only the ones with that dominion or aspiring to it, which are a small fraction. Granted they do matter inordinately.
Shockingly some Americans think Harvard is too tribal!
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
What is anti tribal about Devin’s or Anglin’s writings? A tribe is a gang of men that dominates a piece of territory and the society on it.
It comes down to define “American”. If you think a member of The Committee To Re-Elect The President walking through Mexico is just as, if not more American, than someone who’s family has been here since say, 1820, you’re probably NOT. If you believe US foreign policy must be determined by what happened in the ancestral shithole, you’re probably NOT. If you believe have changed enough since 1789 we can ignore the writings of Dead White Males, you’re NOT.
But I don't think it explains everything, because far more ethnically homogenous societies - I mean, societies where the white population is ethnically homogenous - are going through the same thing as America:This is very insightful. Ideologues can't compromise, because good and evil are defined by acceptance or non-acceptance of their ideology.
The solution, in America, would I suppose be what what's-his-face said about how their should be no hyphenated-Americans. Was it Teddy Roosevelt?
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
It’s often said a party’s leaders are different than it’s voters.
White men are indeed very tribal. Go to any video game subreddit and you'll see immediately how tribal disaffected, lonely men can be. I dare you to claim "Xbox sux cuz it got no 'sclusives" on r/gaming. The problem is that white men are directionless while also wanting to be seen as "good people." They don't know where to point these tribal feelings so they sink them into things where they can still be considered "good people." And since white women are lower on the regressive stack than cross-dressers, racial minorities, and the like, white guys pour their angst into this more acceptable target. But things are slowly changing on that front, you just have to know where to look. White guys who are red pilled also have to be very careful in what they say.
Men are like dogs in the sense that they need purpose in order to function correctly and happily. No purpose, no direction, no perceived immediate threat, and you get no tribalism...or no productive tribalism. What you get is misdirected frustration.
"Anglin gets traffic by telling the world that women aren’t human."
Sad, but true. He's admitted that his anti-female stuff gets 3x+ the views of his anti-Semitic stuff, which he basically does pro bono. That's basically disaffected men wanting to take their anger out on their own side for what has been done to them. Females really aren't the problem as a majority or near majority of white women voted for Trump. The real problem is that poorly organized white men lack a direction and an end goal for alleviating their frustrations. The first guy who is able to say "this is what we want (a clear goal) and here is how we are going to get it (a clear path to victory)" will change that.Replies: @Anonymous
Indeed. Which race is most avid about local sports teams?
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
*bong hit intensifies*
“You can’t call something that’s been top-down and accompanied by heavy-handed censorship, media propaganda monopolies, and harsh penalties for any dissenters a “self-inflicted wound.”
That certainly hasn’t helped, but as far as I know there is still the secret ballot, so change could have been conducted at the ballot box. At any time, white men could have primaried GOP Chamber of Commerce types back in the 80s and 90s for poor voting records on things that counted like immigration, legal and illegal. However, like a lot of stupid people (no insult, just being honest), they were too shortsighted and, instead, voted on irrelevant things like the then current state of the economy in terms of unemployment rate or GDP – unimaginably good by historical standards even during the depths of the early 90s recession. And that’s when they bothered voting at all, if they weren’t voting for incumbents mindlessly.
Fundamentally, the problem is that we lack enough people who are both tribal and intelligent. This explains Jewish success. They are BOTH intelligent and Machiavellian. Until some authoritarian government in the West institutes some kind of breeding program for intelligent, tribal whites, that isn’t going to change any time soon. Whites simply don’t have the genetics for it; we evolved on a diverse, geographically compact continent where cooperation was selected for. Too bad we are being surrounded by aliens who don’t want to cooperate with us but, instead, dominate us.
True enough. It really wasn't but in the past few years that Wallace's (I think him) old saw about their not being a dime's worth of difference between the two parties made sense to me. I really don't think I"m alone in this awakening.
But then again, would Gore or Kerry really have been better? And as much as I despise McCain and Romney, I had to spend almost a week, uninsured in a hospital, so I never would have gone the O. route for that reason alone.Replies: @Svigor, @International Jew
i live in an upper-middle class part of a big coastal city. my neighbors are >95% white. they are also less likely to return my hello than their dog because they are so far up their own goddamn ass
(n.b. i am white)
To ameliorate Mr. Bouie’s jealousy of his dog, all whites are hereby encouraged forthwith to address Bouie directly:
“Awwww now who’s a good boy? Yes you are. Yes you are!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAsKP5xl8c&feature=youtu.be&t=37Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Mr Bouie is paranoid. White people like dogs.You can be walking with a baby and a dog, and people will stop and say what a nice dog you’ve got!
(Also saying hello to someone’s dog is an oblique way of saying hello to them)
It's also neutral in a way that complimenting their baby is not. It's safe.
“Which race is most avid about local sports teams?”
Better yet, look at the attendee closeups for virtually any college football game these days. It’s strange to see a nearly homogeneous sea of white Caucasians for these games considering they take place in heavily black states.
they take place in heavily black statesthe football teams are ~80% comprised of Black players.https://static.hwpi.harvard.edu/files/styles/os_files_xxlarge/public/hillel/files/dorm_storm_in_volunteer_shirts.jpg
https://static.hwpi.harvard.edu/files/styles/os_files_xxlarge/public/hillel/files/dinner_at_harvard_hillel.reduced_0.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AndrewR
Uh-oh. The Writing On The Wall in the second pic is prophetic: Look at the faces in the background—the Asian takeover is in progress while the ignorant in the foreground gaily sup, oblivious to their own coming ouster.
https://www.360nobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Mark-Zuckerberg-and-Priscilla-Chan.jpgReplies: @Svigor
That certainly hasn't helped, but as far as I know there is still the secret ballot, so change could have been conducted at the ballot box. At any time, white men could have primaried GOP Chamber of Commerce types back in the 80s and 90s for poor voting records on things that counted like immigration, legal and illegal. However, like a lot of stupid people (no insult, just being honest), they were too shortsighted and, instead, voted on irrelevant things like the then current state of the economy in terms of unemployment rate or GDP - unimaginably good by historical standards even during the depths of the early 90s recession. And that's when they bothered voting at all, if they weren't voting for incumbents mindlessly.
Fundamentally, the problem is that we lack enough people who are both tribal and intelligent. This explains Jewish success. They are BOTH intelligent and Machiavellian. Until some authoritarian government in the West institutes some kind of breeding program for intelligent, tribal whites, that isn't going to change any time soon. Whites simply don't have the genetics for it; we evolved on a diverse, geographically compact continent where cooperation was selected for. Too bad we are being surrounded by aliens who don't want to cooperate with us but, instead, dominate us.Replies: @South Texas Guy, @Mr. Rational, @notanon
At any time, white men could have primaried GOP Chamber of Commerce types back in the 80s and 90s for poor voting records on things that counted like immigration, legal and illegal. However, like a lot of stupid people (no insult, just being honest), they were too shortsighted and, instead, voted on irrelevant things like the then current state of the economy in terms of unemployment rate or GDP – unimaginably good by historical standards even during the depths of the early 90s recession. And that’s when they bothered voting at all, if they weren’t voting for incumbents mindlessly.
True enough. It really wasn’t but in the past few years that Wallace’s (I think him) old saw about their not being a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties made sense to me. I really don’t think I”m alone in this awakening.
But then again, would Gore or Kerry really have been better? And as much as I despise McCain and Romney, I had to spend almost a week, uninsured in a hospital, so I never would have gone the O. route for that reason alone.
This is why you can't have (((them))) running your social nervous system.
Read the Bhagavad Gita. Apparently this has been going on for a long time.
The most tribal thing in America is College Football. Plus, the next time Bouie is out walking his dog someone should ask him if he can prove that it’s his.
Yeeeep. For example, as I said on AE’s blog the other day, the US would be in better shape if the Democratic party as an institution was purely and nakedly a vehicle for African-American tribal interests. Tribes are pragmatic. You can cut a deal with tribes.
Bouie once tweeted that racism “manifests as a kind of selfishness,” in response to an article about some whites’ voting behavior.
Yes. Heaven forbid people vote in their own self-interest and not, say, Jamelle Bouie’s self-interest.
Fwiw, in my years in NYC I learned that black people generally expect a lot more warmth and personal interaction — as in courtliness, banter, storytelling, touch and flirtation — than white people generally do. I’m white but because I was covering the field I used to attend an annual meeting of black book publishing people. It was a very different experience than hanging out with white book publishing people, to put it mildly, and nice in many ways. It was all about making warm personal connections. The very air in the room seemed to be a few degrees hotter than the air in the next room was.
Whites are not tribal enough.
A “proposition” state is nothing but a tyranny. It cannot allow disagreement on the fundamental issue of the proposition itself!
However, a man can believe whatever he wants in Japan, and will forever be Japanese.
This is not an matter of ideology, it is a matter of power.Replies: @AndrewR
Stopped reading when you described Latinos as monolithic
Isn’t this just the natural consequence of democracy? America’s just the furthest down the path
They have an axe to grind against women and are unwilling to set it aside to give the White race a chance to survive. Their priorities are clear.
Gentile America used to have enough common identity to tolerate a good amount of ideological debate. No more.Replies: @TTSSYF
Yes, but in my experience, Jews do not tolerate conservative gentiles all that well…especially if they are openly Christian and particularly if they are openly Christian women.
The same holds for any group. Growing up in the South I had more liberal views than people around me and my views were well tolerated. Outsiders expressing the same ideas would have been told to "F*** Off".
That certainly hasn't helped, but as far as I know there is still the secret ballot, so change could have been conducted at the ballot box. At any time, white men could have primaried GOP Chamber of Commerce types back in the 80s and 90s for poor voting records on things that counted like immigration, legal and illegal. However, like a lot of stupid people (no insult, just being honest), they were too shortsighted and, instead, voted on irrelevant things like the then current state of the economy in terms of unemployment rate or GDP - unimaginably good by historical standards even during the depths of the early 90s recession. And that's when they bothered voting at all, if they weren't voting for incumbents mindlessly.
Fundamentally, the problem is that we lack enough people who are both tribal and intelligent. This explains Jewish success. They are BOTH intelligent and Machiavellian. Until some authoritarian government in the West institutes some kind of breeding program for intelligent, tribal whites, that isn't going to change any time soon. Whites simply don't have the genetics for it; we evolved on a diverse, geographically compact continent where cooperation was selected for. Too bad we are being surrounded by aliens who don't want to cooperate with us but, instead, dominate us.Replies: @South Texas Guy, @Mr. Rational, @notanon
Pre-Internet, how could a small bunch of disaffected White men overcome the massive advantage in money and press coverage that a CoC cuckdidate can muster? It’s no accident that the Jesse Venturas and David Brats are rare enough that we can tick off their names and not even run out of fingers on one hand.
How does the White race survive when White women sell out their own men… and are PROUD of it?
I don't hide my disdain, extreme distrust of most women. And, the selling-out and denigration of men was ratcheted-up with the Pussy Hats, MeToo, and Kavanaugh Kabuki Theater.
The only satisfying episode was the purge of the Hollywood jerks by women....and some men! Priceless! Someone should make a clever campaign ad on the guys who got ousted. Women should be reminded that these were mostly liberal men, in Larry David's words, awkwardly from the same tribe.Replies: @Mr. Rational
It's amazing how fast things have changed since Obama's first year in office. The other day I was on an old book review website from that same year and a bunch of high-brow liberals were listing the things they hate most about amateur writers and their works. Including "Mary Sue" characters was listed prominently...by the left wing female reviewers (apparently, they found it patronizing). I was honestly stunned by this. Checking around, this kind of criticism and other current year politically incorrect things were commonly voiced on the left as recently as 2009. Now, overpowered Mary Sue characters are in every terrible Jar Jar Abrams movie and anyone who points it out is labeled a hater, misogynist, or literally Hitler(TM) by the Tumbler and Twitter mob.
In retrospect, that man's election may have been the beginning of the end for the American project. He and fellow travelers turned the government into an arm for racial payback, legitimizing this behavior on the left. Since these NPCs lack introspection, they can't see how they are at fault and course-correct. In many ways, what Obama did was similar to the 60s Red Guard attacks in China. Mao and his servile state media provided favorable coverage to these radicals, legitimizing and encouraging further escalations in their violence against perceived heretics. Sound familiar?
Probably the only thing that could stop the left now is some kind of tremendous counter escalation that puts them in their place, something like Comcast deplatforming the entirety of NBC and MSNBC plus Tumbler. Otherwise, they'll continue slowly escalating.Replies: @TTSSYF
I fear you are correct. I lost hope in the country when Obama was re-elected, when the alternative was a political moderate, a very decent man of high intelligence. Yes, I recognize Romney’s shortcomings, especially post-Trump, but my point is, he wasn’t a Goldwater (who, nevertheless, would have been my preference) — he, like McCain, was everything the Dems and Big Media were always telling us we should nominate and yet, both were still made out to be SOBs (at least I’ve had the satisfaction of having helped give the Dems the real thing, if only for four or eight short years).
The Left needs to be crushed at the polls so that they are, perhaps only temporarily, chastened and forced to look at what they’ve become and unleashed. It probably is too late, however, and I don’t know if it’s going to result in civil (or perhaps, guerrilla) war or just an extended period of dysfunctionality until we’re subsumed from within or taken over by an outside force. Ideally, we would put a halt to ALL immigration for several decades, while we attempt to recover, and take back control of (or at least, regain some influence over) the public schools and universities. I just don’t see any of that happening.
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Then why do they not support efforts to stop illegal immigration and slow legal immigration?
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
that’s both the problem and the solution
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
of course
– Dem politicians are the ones who benefit from the imported voters
– Dem politicians don’t compete with immigrants for jobs and housing
– Dem politicians get to keep the bribe money they’re paid for supporting open borders
That certainly hasn't helped, but as far as I know there is still the secret ballot, so change could have been conducted at the ballot box. At any time, white men could have primaried GOP Chamber of Commerce types back in the 80s and 90s for poor voting records on things that counted like immigration, legal and illegal. However, like a lot of stupid people (no insult, just being honest), they were too shortsighted and, instead, voted on irrelevant things like the then current state of the economy in terms of unemployment rate or GDP - unimaginably good by historical standards even during the depths of the early 90s recession. And that's when they bothered voting at all, if they weren't voting for incumbents mindlessly.
Fundamentally, the problem is that we lack enough people who are both tribal and intelligent. This explains Jewish success. They are BOTH intelligent and Machiavellian. Until some authoritarian government in the West institutes some kind of breeding program for intelligent, tribal whites, that isn't going to change any time soon. Whites simply don't have the genetics for it; we evolved on a diverse, geographically compact continent where cooperation was selected for. Too bad we are being surrounded by aliens who don't want to cooperate with us but, instead, dominate us.Replies: @South Texas Guy, @Mr. Rational, @notanon
the problem is the media created a completely false version of reality and an intelligent but high trust population believed it
(and voted on the basis of that false reality)
as the scale of the betrayal becomes impossible to hide people are starting to wake up (hence the media’s hysteria)
The one thing I do notice policemen & firemen are also moving close to my favored states. At some point, LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, DC, Miami, etc. may have anarcho-terrorists on their streets and breaking into their homes since cops/first responders have been priced-out, and have moved somewhere for a better quality of life. I'm always surprised when I run into a re-located NYC/NJ cop/fireman in the Smokies, Rockies, The Plains, west Texas, rural Utah, etc. .Replies: @notanon
Dog owners are always more inclined to say hello and talk to another owner’s dog rather than the owner. It avoids the awkwardness of starting a direct conversation, because one of the great things about dogs is that they don’t talk back to you. It is usually followed by mutual praising of the looks and/or behavior of the other person’s dog, which typically concludes the interaction.
It’s hard to believe super-genius Bouie hasn’t figured this out, but he’s so permeated by racial animus and sense of grievance against whites that everything whites do is a grave insult to his blackity blackness. If they talked to him instead of his dog, he’d bitch that they ignored his dog because of his race.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
Hajnals aren’t very tribal. Non-hajnal whites are plenty tribal- just go to Serbia for an example.
(you can already see that in the ethnic makeup of antifa - mostly NW Euros)
They are over the top but their stated policy proscriptions for women parallel what white society had in the past when TFR was above replacement. Not sure how that isn’t ‘chance to survive’.
But it isn’t. It’s a vehicle for Jewish-Americans’ tribal interests, which of course may not be stated publicly, nakedly or otherwise. The handouts that AfAms get in return for being a solid vote block and brownshirt troops for the Democrats are not good for the black community as a whole, while the resulting social disarray is great for the Dem donors/elites.
Might be right. America needs civic nationalism because it doesn’t have a common ethnic background. Maybe things were different in 1776, I don’t know.
But I don’t think it explains everything, because far more ethnically homogenous societies – I mean, societies where the white population is ethnically homogenous – are going through the same thing as America:
This is very insightful. Ideologues can’t compromise, because good and evil are defined by acceptance or non-acceptance of their ideology.
The solution, in America, would I suppose be what what’s-his-face said about how their should be no hyphenated-Americans. Was it Teddy Roosevelt?
Please elaborate.
(Also saying hello to someone's dog is an oblique way of saying hello to them)Replies: @Lurker, @ben tillman
Exactly right. Since having dogs I’ve had far more interactions with random strangers. Saying hello to the dog is an opener.
It’s also neutral in a way that complimenting their baby is not. It’s safe.
Lesson one: the goodness of your existence is non-negotiable. You do not have to justify it and can never justify it to an enemy.
Lesson two: every people has an awful tragedy story (which may or may not be true), and it does not matter. They are bothering you about it to emotionally blind you. Nothing you say or do in a miasma of pity can actually help, assuming they're not just flat-out lying. If you want to help them concretely and without exposure then by all means do so. If you feel moved to just do something then realize that you are non-alcoholically drunk and stop. Nothing you do will ever be enough and the goal isn't to unmake the historical tragedy, it's to unmake you.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
Tribalism is just looking out for family. Why do so many whites feel that is wrong?
I would love to have white ethno-state not because I hate others families but because I love my own. It’s that simple.
One of the interesting aspects of HBD for me has been an increase in my tolerance for other tribes. Once you realize that we’re just different, you stop getting mad that other groups aren’t acting like your group. (Btw, most of the comments on iSteve are white guys getting mad that other groups aren’t acting like us. It’s odd.)
However, while understanding HBD makes you more tolerant of other groups’ behavior, it also makes you realize that different tribes shouldn’t be forced to live together in the same society. We are different. That’s fine, but we should create separate societies so we don’t have to deal with those differences.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
Well, remember how we reached this spot. Every white guy under the age of 50 has been taught since birth by every authority figure (parents, teachers, media, government, etc.) to despise tribalism in whites, that you’re literally a Jew-killing Nazi if you have even the slightest pride in being white.
On top of that psychological indoctrination, we are threatened with very earthly punishments – loss of job, blackballed from other jobs, financial ruin, ostracism from society, likely loss of family due to financial ruin – for showing any racial pride.
As the sole bread winner in my family, I can tell you that those threats are tantamount to execution. You’re basically calling me a wimp for not having the balls to tell Stalin to his face that he’s a psychotic dick.
Let’s square the circle and admit we’re talking about tribalism, with two factions dressing in ideological drag.
See, “anti-racism” is the White tribe’s thing. Non-whites pretend only when it’s convenient protective coloring for their tribal interests. I.e., to gain advantages for themselves from Whites.
We have two tribes here: Whites on one side, and non-whites, Jews, and white traitors on the other. Both factions of Whites dress in “anti-racist” ideological drag.
See here:
Jordan Peterson’s Fancy Backswing
The White tribe is starting to peel off the ladies’ clothing (ditch “anti-racism”), and the white traitor queens and their Jewish and non-white allies are going ape over it.
P.S., Jamelle’s a moron who’s simply ignorant of White culture. Whites do this to each other all the time.
SORT OF LIKE HOW COPS PULL US OVER ALL THE TIME AND WE DON’T ACT LIKE WE’VE BEEN NAILED TO THE CROSS.
Precisely. It’s basically a soft opener.
The Immigration Weapon This is a great point . A political sword held over the citizens heads . “ Don’t get out of line peasants or we’ll swamp you with other peasants . Yes we already have by the millions but just wait peasants there’s more to come . Got that ? And there’s nothing you can do about it anyway . It’s inevitable HA HA HA “
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
Take off your feminist blinkers (the Anglin comment, at least, is a dead giveaway).
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
This is like worrying about how much love the average German soldier had for Hitler, or the average commie had for Stalin.
Frankly, I don’t care.
“Whites” aren’t the problem. Anglo-Yankees with their Messianic impulses are. Bloody Mary Tudor didn’t burn enough heretics is the problem, and that Evangelical impulse, which went into high octane because of the success of the Revolution, has since infected everybody else.
John Brown certainly wasn’t tribal, not in a blood and soil sense, but he was ideological.
Would we have been better off if George Washington and all the founding fathers been defeated and hung?
“Awwww now who’s a good boy? Yes you are. Yes you are!”Replies: @MEH 0910
(NSFW added printed f-word commentary at the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAsKP5xl8c&feature=youtu.be&t=37
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Maybe not most Democrats, but the Democratic Party itself sure cares a lot about immigration. It is their long term plan for electoral hegemony.
I’ve written about this: http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=14527
Tweet from 2015:
https://jamellebouie.net/blog/2017/11/17/walks-with-my-dog
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/10/22/slates-chief-political-correspondent-finds-racism-even-when-he-walks-his-dog/
Good question. He must live within a few blocks of his office.
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Gold box this comment.
Being friendly and greeting people you don’t know is cultural … and culture is regional. Hence, generalizations are problematic.
In California, women (primarily Hispanic) will walk uninvited up to your baby carriage, lift up your child, and give it a hug and a kiss … as they wax on regarding how incredibly lucky you are to have such a beautiful child. It feels awkward, but you get caught up in the moment and think nothing of it.
In the mid-Atlantic states (influenced perhaps by recent Puritan/Yankee immigrants from New York and New England), touching or photographing a child that is not yours without explicit permission is foul play. It might lead to shouting, accusations of salacious intent, and threats to call the police.
How bad is it? If you are taking iPhone photos of your child in preschool or kindergarten in a mid-Atlantic state, you had better make sure that only your child in the frame. If not, the thought police are already looking for you.
I also notice the difference when I fly to the Midwest to visit relatives (also known, of course, as the Great Flyover). The open warmth is refreshing. It is not unusual to have a warm and memorable conversation with the bus driver taking you to the rental car facility.
Freedom in large families is constrained by numbers and space, rather than parental limits. So the liberty curve of childhood will be bell-shaped with regard to number of siblings.
Try touching an adult female without explicit permission... ;-)
Another reason why multiculturalism is a failed concept.
How long has this Bouie fellow been in America anyway? He doesn’t seem to know our folkways very well.
Maybe Gordon Gekko can explain.
http://www.moviequotedb.com/movies/wall-street/quote_25491.html
The division is between those who loathe whites, want to exploit them, want to see them suffer, and ultimately want to exterminate them (a group that includes mentally ill white leftists), mostly white conservatives and moderates in the middle who suffer massive cognitive dissonance caused by their acceptance of theoretical diversity versus the reality that diversity produces (that is, they refuse to accept that anti-racism has become a code-phrase, and publicly and increasingly must lie about its true, hateful, genocidal nature and destructive to whites effects) , and those whites on the right who at least intellectually oppose what has become white-hating annihilation movement. “Remove the immigration weapon from American politics, and Americans would tend to get along a little better” is just another way of saying that mass invasion with its hate-motivated bloc voting has empowered the the first genocidal group, and that, yes, if they had to sell their racist agenda only to their victims it might be a harder sell. In other words their genocidal agenda would likely fail. They would still have the same beliefs but they would have to moderate them in order to placate the white “Silent Majority.”
From Heartiste commenter Garth V : They get off on making you repeat their big lies. The more obviously false the lie is, the more you debase yourself in repeating it. When you instead affirm the truth, you’re letting them know that you will not be their slave.
From the ACLU: Make no mistake: A lawsuit against Harvard that’s purported to represent the interests of Asian-Americans would, if successful, primarily benefit white students
http://politicalhat.com/2018/10/24/just-as-long-as-the-white-kid-suffers-too/
And less likely to start a violent or insulting incident than their african owners.
Let’s face it, the dog just has more interesting and original things to say than its master. If you’re read one Boulle column, you’ve read them all. The dog? Well, you’re never sure what’ll come out of its mouth.
“in my years in NYC I learned that black people generally expect a lot more warmth and personal interaction — as in courtliness, banter, storytelling, touch and flirtation”
Only with each other. I’ve never had that experience with blacks. Ever. They are standoffish, rude, and very quiet whenever someone of a different race interacts with them, especially in diverse areas or while they are working middle-class or lower-class jobs. (stress?) This is exemplified most in retail. I once went into a Southern grocery store about a decade ago. The black cashier was rude to the point of discomfort. I put my groceries on the counter and she refused to even begin checking them until they were presented to her in the supposed correct manner (not advertised anywhere). She just stared at me with contempt for several seconds before rudely telling me how to present my groceries in front of her for scanning. I apologized and did as she requested. This kind of bizarre behavior has been repeated to me many times, even to the point where one of my SWPL friends noticed it and commented on it, specifically mentioning the person’s race – probably the first time she ever realized that people of different races don’t get along. Of course, you won’t get this treatment all the time, but you will begin to notice a significant discrepancy between how different racial groups treat each other if you look for it or happen to be in a diverse area for long.
Every time I enter a racially diverse area where blacks are a significant part of the population, I get this kind of attitude, moreso than any other race in any other area – except perhaps some orthodox Jewish areas back in NYC in the early 90s. There is a noticeable difference between black and white employees in terms of how non-black customers are treated, even within the same store: blacks are rude to all non-blacks while whites are polite to all racial groups. Sound familiar? As another poster wrote, whites evolved to be cooperative with non-group members. Not so much for other groups.
As an aside, IMO, Southern Whites match or exceed NYC blacks in all the categories you mentioned. If you are willing to drop the reflexive contempt generated for them by shows like Law and Order, you’ll come to enjoy their company much more so than most above Mason-Dixon blacks and many disingenuous, backstabbing SWPL whites. The exception are white Southerners who moved to LA. They are all a**h***s for some reason, and you definitely shouldn’t trust them because they are all smooth-talking liars who brag about growing up in poor areas so they can trick you into feeling sorry for them. LA selecting for the worst of humanity?
I think he still lives in TN but his leftist smug is as bad as any west coast SJW
https://youtu.be/KWaltzcpiTw
“They have an axe to grind against women and are unwilling to set it aside to give the White race a chance to survive. Their priorities are clear.”
Divide and conquer. That’s how it’s done. That’s how all police states work. Unfortunately, the opposition plays into that. Instead of attacking white females, they should try converting them. Even if just 10% of white women changed their minds and started voting in elections, that’s an enormous advantage at the polls. Not saying suck up or become cucks, but perhaps dropping the overt hate and providing a community for the expression of your ideas might go a long way. Might even encourage more guys to sign up if you could get a couple of girls on your side. I know Lauren Southern and Faith Goldy are considered by the Ruling Class to be extremely dangerous for exactly this reason. Unfortunately, a lot of guys who have gone this way ended up being family values, religious cucks. Drop that, drop the overt female hate, keep the bad boy alt-right stuff and you’ll be better off and more popular for it.
Colored People was a good read.
It didn’t seem at the end that integration helped their community much.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
Devlin’s screed is a necessary wake up call. Some people need harsh terms and playing nice will have them continue along that self destructive path.
Anglin has a small audience and odd personal history.
He strikes me as someone who does just that. He seems to have a notoriously high opinion of himself that others don’t acknowledge–and therefore, the chip on his shoulder.
Whatever it is–any form of inconsiderate behavior (women especially, hate being ignored)–if you’re looking for it, you’ll find it, e.g. confirmation bias. Insecure and fragile egos regularly see the world as hostile to their sensitive needs.
Asians and hapas are all over the Harvard Hillel site. Makes the Jew v Asian stuff a bit harder too. Unz of course acounted for Jewsians, right?
Better yet, look at the attendee closeups for virtually any college football game these days. It's strange to see a nearly homogeneous sea of white Caucasians for these games considering they take place in heavily black states.Replies: @Forbes
It’s strange to see a nearly homogeneous sea of white Caucasians for these games considering
they take place in heavily black statesthe football teams are ~80% comprised of Black players.Perhaps Bouie will prefer it when his diversitarians roast his dog and eat it, while perhaps greeting him at some point or other in the process?
How much of black people’s perception of small acts of racism are just black people reading into things that people do universally? When I walked my dog, people would commonly greet the dog first, and interact with me collaterally through the dog with questions like “what breed is he?” or “where’d you get ’em?” This is not at all unusual, and I’m a white guy.
Sun people vs. ice people
She’s obsessed with the feminist angle.
True enough. It really wasn't but in the past few years that Wallace's (I think him) old saw about their not being a dime's worth of difference between the two parties made sense to me. I really don't think I"m alone in this awakening.
But then again, would Gore or Kerry really have been better? And as much as I despise McCain and Romney, I had to spend almost a week, uninsured in a hospital, so I never would have gone the O. route for that reason alone.Replies: @Svigor, @International Jew
At any given time, Big Media could have, you know, told the truth and emphasized the important things.
This is why you can’t have (((them))) running your social nervous system.
I think Whites are more tribal than most people think. It’s just that their identity has been reconstructed into pathology.
“I suspect a lot of black people would like to live in a social environment where people greeted each other a lot.”
Most African American men give menacing mean mugs on the streets not friendly smiles or even neutral facial expressions. That is why African American neighborhoods come off as intimidating.
It is, to the extent that the ruling class consists of people who (or whose descendants) will be harmed by the policies they’ve enacted.
And of course, there are millions of non-elite “enforcers” who eagerly and voluntarily police the thoughts of everyone they encounter in order to root out Crimethink.
While you may not like to admit it, for “the white race to survive,” women are going to have to take a back seat. Women have no place in politics. This is beyond dispute. The rhetorical excesses of some white identitarians don’t magically negate this basic fact.
In fact, for the White race to survive, misogynists are going to have to shut their mouths.If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation.Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Rational
Yes. Heaven forbid people vote in their own self-interest and not, say, Jamelle Bouie's self-interest.
https://www.twitter.com/jbouie/status/881855818081161216Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Why should I take seriously anything written by some dipstick named Jamelle? Was Kevin taken? JHC.
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https://static.hwpi.harvard.edu/files/styles/os_files_xxlarge/public/hillel/files/dinner_at_harvard_hillel.reduced_0.jpgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @AndrewR
That Jewish girl in the top pic is fine. She can have my mischlinge…
What this guy probably doesn't get is that SWPL white ladies talk to your dog as a means of breaking the ice so they can say hi to you personally. Whites often consider it rude to just blurt out something without reason to someone, so they have to add a qualifier: "hello, neighbor", "nice dog", "it's a nice day isn't it, say...". We whites are like that. We are introspective and consider how our words and thoughts affect others. We are also aware of how we look to others when we say things, so we try to be as polite as possible. Unlike this idiot here who lacks any sense of self-awareness and actually takes offense to a white lady praising his stupid dog as some kind of veiled racial insult.Replies: @ben tillman
Indeed.
(Also saying hello to someone's dog is an oblique way of saying hello to them)Replies: @Lurker, @ben tillman
Yes, you are right.
https://www.360nobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Mark-Zuckerberg-and-Priscilla-Chan.jpgReplies: @Svigor
Only Jewish organizations get to count Jews. And count them, they do. Obsessively.
Where are the stats for Jewish interracial marriage?
Oh, right – they’re buried under the rug.
In Israel they do. Jew counting in the USA is half hearted and half assed. The best US data is general population surveys probably by organizations like Pew and Gallup.
"Where are the stats for Jewish interracial marriage?"
There is Israeli data for this once again. But they have a strict definition of Jew. I certainly wouldn't count.
I've seen the 50% US intermarriage rate estimate many times, and going back several decades.Replies: @Jefferson
In California, women (primarily Hispanic) will walk uninvited up to your baby carriage, lift up your child, and give it a hug and a kiss ... as they wax on regarding how incredibly lucky you are to have such a beautiful child. It feels awkward, but you get caught up in the moment and think nothing of it.
In the mid-Atlantic states (influenced perhaps by recent Puritan/Yankee immigrants from New York and New England), touching or photographing a child that is not yours without explicit permission is foul play. It might lead to shouting, accusations of salacious intent, and threats to call the police.
How bad is it? If you are taking iPhone photos of your child in preschool or kindergarten in a mid-Atlantic state, you had better make sure that only your child in the frame. If not, the thought police are already looking for you.
I also notice the difference when I fly to the Midwest to visit relatives (also known, of course, as the Great Flyover). The open warmth is refreshing. It is not unusual to have a warm and memorable conversation with the bus driver taking you to the rental car facility.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes, @anon
Recent? There haven’t been “Puritan/Yankee” New Yorkers and New Englanders for generations. Except in the mountains, where they’re just “hillbillies with different accents”, according to a Southern writer now resident in Maine.
When that’s their only child, people can be quite paranoid. Families with several children accord them more freedom. (HBD at work!)
Freedom in large families is constrained by numbers and space, rather than parental limits. So the liberty curve of childhood will be bell-shaped with regard to number of siblings.
Anglin has a small audience and odd personal history.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
Devlin is an immensely destructive monomaniac who has caused no end of trouble between White men and women in total disregard of the facts of the case.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Now, it's going to get worse because of Spencer's divorce.Replies: @miss marple, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notanon, @Samuel Skinner, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Svigor, @Thea, @Reg Cæsar
Because “white” is way too broad. If Brexit isn’t proof of that, I don’t know what is.
Anglin has a small audience and odd personal history.Replies: @Rosie, @Rosie
Small, but larger than any other White nationalist outlet, which was my entire point. White men, by and large, don’t care about their race. White nationalist have to pander to misogynist lowlifes to even maintain an audience.
Absurd. You'd have to first eliminate the severe social, financial, and physical costs to Whites who behave tribally, and also change the soft suasion of anti-White propaganda and shaming in the educational system and the culture more broadly, in order to begin to draw such a conclusion.
Witness how much effort the Jews expend on propaganda and "education" to keep tribalism alive among the Jewish population. And they don't even face any of the costs of tribalism enumerated above that Whites do.Replies: @Rosie
I note for the record that there has been no objection to the claim that the”confounding factors” of Jewish guiltmongering and private sanctions are to blame for White men’s failure to assert and defend their interests.
True enough. It really wasn't but in the past few years that Wallace's (I think him) old saw about their not being a dime's worth of difference between the two parties made sense to me. I really don't think I"m alone in this awakening.
But then again, would Gore or Kerry really have been better? And as much as I despise McCain and Romney, I had to spend almost a week, uninsured in a hospital, so I never would have gone the O. route for that reason alone.Replies: @Svigor, @International Jew
Don’t blame Californians for not trying. In ’86 we voted to make English the official language. In ’94 we voted to reserve state benefits to legal residents. In ’96 we voted to ban Affirmative Action. (These were state referenda, we call them “propositions”. All three won with big majorities.)
In every case, our will was stymied by bureaucrats and judges.
Today…
1. We have ballots in a dozen languages (violating the English-official-language law of course but also making a mockery of the requirement that one know English to be naturalized as a citizen).
2. Illegals get drivers licenses, preferential admission (and scholarships) to the state universities, and “sanctuary” from law enforcement.
3. Every campus of every state university supports a metastasizing “diversity” bureaucracy.
Devlin is correct because White women are the core of the poz. Progressive candidates are either vibrant or White women: Katie Hill, Katie Porter, Kristen Sinema, Nancy Pelosi, Liawatha, Hillary etc. Dems are the party of Vibrants and White women united in their hate hate hate of White men.
I can’t count the number of White women in media fantasizing about eliminating White men and gloating over our decline. Or fantasizing about Obama. In print.
White women are just naturally the enemy of the White man. Happy to join with vibrants in looting Joe Average. Plus social media likes from the powerful and celebrities.
What’s missing from Progressive politics? White men. Save dbag Gavin Newsome I can’t think of any under 75 White male Dems.
62% white men
52% white women every other group - including jews - were majority clinton
Stop trying to pretend you care about White survival. Even if you could prove this claim. There is nothing you can do about it now. Like it or not, White women are about one third of the American electorate.
In fact, for the White race to survive, misogynists are going to have to shut their mouths.
If that were true, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I mean no disrespect, but this is really just another way of saying that White men don’t care about their race.
“white women” = 2/3 of college educated single white females
yes – the tide will turn among east and south euros first
(you can already see that in the ethnic makeup of antifa – mostly NW Euros)
https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~wstevens/history331texts/barbarians.html
I can't count the number of White women in media fantasizing about eliminating White men and gloating over our decline. Or fantasizing about Obama. In print.
White women are just naturally the enemy of the White man. Happy to join with vibrants in looting Joe Average. Plus social media likes from the powerful and celebrities.
What's missing from Progressive politics? White men. Save dbag Gavin Newsome I can't think of any under 75 White male Dems.Replies: @notanon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman
voted for Trump
62% white men
52% white women
every other group – including jews – were majority clinton
Yes, exactly my point. You tolerate dissent within your ranks, but not outside. Jews tolerate disagreement from other Jews, but not from Gentiles. You trust the members of your tribe and therefore allow them to disagree with you on ideas. You don’t trust outsiders and tolerate much less disagreement from them.
The same holds for any group. Growing up in the South I had more liberal views than people around me and my views were well tolerated. Outsiders expressing the same ideas would have been told to “F*** Off”.
On top of that psychological indoctrination, we are threatened with very earthly punishments - loss of job, blackballed from other jobs, financial ruin, ostracism from society, likely loss of family due to financial ruin - for showing any racial pride.
As the sole bread winner in my family, I can tell you that those threats are tantamount to execution. You're basically calling me a wimp for not having the balls to tell Stalin to his face that he's a psychotic dick.Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie
Great post.
The White tribe is starting to peel off the ladies' clothing (ditch "anti-racism"), and the white traitor queens and their Jewish and non-white allies are going ape over it.P.S., Jamelle's a moron who's simply ignorant of White culture. Whites do this to each other all the time.SORT OF LIKE HOW COPS PULL US OVER ALL THE TIME AND WE DON'T ACT LIKE WE'VE BEEN NAILED TO THE CROSS.Precisely. It's basically a soft opener.Replies: @Anonymous
Please explain metaphor and connect the parallels to their respective real life parties.
If we’re going to survive, the answers are most likely going to be extra-constitutional. For example, not only massive deportations (this likely would include paying the countries of origin to take them back), but also revocation of citizenship going back multiple generations (e.g. retroactively undo birthright citizenship).
The judiciary is going to have to be brought to heel as well. That can be done constitutionally but there seems to be no appetite for it. The last federal judge impeached was in 2010. There was one in 2009, but none for the prior 20 years. That is absurd – Congress should have standing Judicial Impeachment committees as they do Ways & Means, Armed Services, etc with a goal of 5-10% turnover annually.
You’re off base here. The private (and legal) sanctions are objective facts. So are the Jewish narrative and propaganda. The corrrelation to lack of tribalism is real. And yes, I’d go so far as to claim that they are causal factors (not necessarily the only ones) in the lack of tribalism. If they were without effect, why do rivals of Whites work so hard to impose them?
In contrast, you’ve posited an innate factor which is far from being an observable objective fact. Moreover, that factor’s speculated existence is arguably inconsistent with the high rates of White tribalism observed in societally permissible identities such as sports teams and, to a waning extent, country patriotism.
I can't count the number of White women in media fantasizing about eliminating White men and gloating over our decline. Or fantasizing about Obama. In print.
White women are just naturally the enemy of the White man. Happy to join with vibrants in looting Joe Average. Plus social media likes from the powerful and celebrities.
What's missing from Progressive politics? White men. Save dbag Gavin Newsome I can't think of any under 75 White male Dems.Replies: @notanon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman
Women tend to take their cues from Power. They aren’t inherently enemies of White men. It’s just that White men have allowed themselves to be subordinated to other men.
That doesn’t mean their obnoxious views on women are necessary to secure White survival. To do that, you’d have to show that there is no way to get TFR above replacement without degrading and enslaving women. There is no possible way to determine that without trying less draconian measures first. Even if we could absolutely certain that such extreme measures would be necessary, there is no reason at all to go on about it now when nothing can be done about it.
When you start calling a new-Schlaflyite homemaker with six children an obsessive feminist, you can be certain you’ve jumped the shark.
On top of that psychological indoctrination, we are threatened with very earthly punishments - loss of job, blackballed from other jobs, financial ruin, ostracism from society, likely loss of family due to financial ruin - for showing any racial pride.
As the sole bread winner in my family, I can tell you that those threats are tantamount to execution. You're basically calling me a wimp for not having the balls to tell Stalin to his face that he's a psychotic dick.Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie
I can understand and forgive this. What I cannot understand or forgive is the refusal to acknowledge and understand that women are subject to these same influences.
White male antiethnocentrism: nurture
White female antiethnocentrism: nature.
It's very convenient, if you hate women.
That said, where I live, I am absolutely surrounded by Nice White Ladies who enjoy the benefits of living a white area but who choose to spend their free time campaigning for politicians who want to destroy their people and put their children in chains. These NWLs are the most annoying virtue signalling bastards I've ever seen, and they dramatically outnumber DB white guys easily five to one. Hell, most of the time, their husband - who usually pays all or most of the bills which is what gives these women so much time - is a Republican, albeit a Cuck.
It's funny, I kind of understand the annoyance that blacks and browns feel toward liberal white women. These women want to enjoy victim status while enjoying the safety and civilization of living in overwhelming white areas. They're fakes and everyone knows it but them.
But one thing that I have begun to notice is that white women are showing up more and more on our side. White women taking openly taking our side is the key. They can change the tide in a way a man can't.Replies: @Lagertha, @BB753
One thing I've learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration. I have Democratic leanings, but did not know this.
Maybe Sailer and crew are right about how Dems feel about immigration, or maybe my view is closer to the mark, that your average Dem doesn't care or think much about immigration and wouldn't mind limiting immigration a bit. I don't know.
I do think it's possible that this site is in a bubble that misunderstands most real-life Democrats (voters not politicians), because it thinks Democrats believe the extremist progressive insanity, the editorials in the Times and the Post, when in fact most of us don't buy that crap. More than immigration, Dems care about women, gays and income inequality. Then trans folk, then black ladies, then lesbians who serve in the military.
I'm starting to exaggerate but I should stop lest I should be taken as a troll. I'm not a troll.
I honestly believe that most of you people way over-estimate the importance of immigration to people who vote for the Democratic party.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack Hanson, @TTSSYF, @notanon, @Svigor, @Mr. Anon, @Corvinus, @Citizen of a Silly Country
You can’t be that obtuse. That’s like saying we over-estimated the importance of Nazi territorial aggression because the average German didn’t care much about invading Poland.
The fact that your average Democratic voter doesn’t understand the long-term master plan of his Jewish handlers doesn’t mean that people who are aware of that plan are over-estimating the importance of the country being overrun by 3rd world, low IQ people.
Are you the long lost son of Corvinus? The two of you seem to have similar reasoning ability, at least from what I can remember about Corny’s comments. Pretty soon, you’ll be telling us Mexicans are the new Italians.
Bring data and clear logic to the game, or you will be mocked. Step up your game, son.
It occurs to me that one might state the case this way. According to dissident Right misogynists:
White male antiethnocentrism: nurture
White female antiethnocentrism: nature.
It’s very convenient, if you hate women.
I’ll give you that. White women catch a lot of shit around here, certainly not all deserved. They’re dealing with the same forces as white men.
That said, where I live, I am absolutely surrounded by Nice White Ladies who enjoy the benefits of living a white area but who choose to spend their free time campaigning for politicians who want to destroy their people and put their children in chains. These NWLs are the most annoying virtue signalling bastards I’ve ever seen, and they dramatically outnumber DB white guys easily five to one. Hell, most of the time, their husband – who usually pays all or most of the bills which is what gives these women so much time – is a Republican, albeit a Cuck.
It’s funny, I kind of understand the annoyance that blacks and browns feel toward liberal white women. These women want to enjoy victim status while enjoying the safety and civilization of living in overwhelming white areas. They’re fakes and everyone knows it but them.
But one thing that I have begun to notice is that white women are showing up more and more on our side. White women taking openly taking our side is the key. They can change the tide in a way a man can’t.
I still see massive movement to Whitopias. Another 2 houses near mine went up for sale this week! Who puts there house on the market in late October!? Did I tell you all that I also run into a heck of lot of Californians in the MidWest/Mountain West/South...especially Texas. Many are conservatives; most of the ones I have run into....petting their dog :) on the beach or something.Replies: @Anon, @Rosie
Don't kid yourself. Women never choose sides in a war: they choose the winner.
From the Gita:
Krishna responds with an exposition on yoga, including
http://www.gita4free.com/Book/english-verse.pdf
Exactly. Rosie may not get it that many men have been badly treated by women because the media & Hollywood has said white men are bad, bad, bad for so long (and here, we are a Boomer+ hang-out) since she is youngish, happily married and has many children. Some of the negative things said about women here, surprised me at first, but it was so obvious, and eh, so what.
I don’t hide my disdain, extreme distrust of most women. And, the selling-out and denigration of men was ratcheted-up with the Pussy Hats, MeToo, and Kavanaugh Kabuki Theater.
The only satisfying episode was the purge of the Hollywood jerks by women….and some men! Priceless! Someone should make a clever campaign ad on the guys who got ousted. Women should be reminded that these were mostly liberal men, in Larry David’s words, awkwardly from the same tribe.
And, the Balkanization of the USA is just getting more intense. Real estate in all the wonderful places (I never tell anyone which states/towns I favor) I have long-loved, is so sky high, now.
The one thing I do notice policemen & firemen are also moving close to my favored states. At some point, LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, DC, Miami, etc. may have anarcho-terrorists on their streets and breaking into their homes since cops/first responders have been priced-out, and have moved somewhere for a better quality of life. I’m always surprised when I run into a re-located NYC/NJ cop/fireman in the Smokies, Rockies, The Plains, west Texas, rural Utah, etc. .
“Pre-Internet, how could a small bunch of disaffected White men overcome the massive advantage in money and press coverage that a CoC cuckdidate can muster?”
All they had to do is vote. They didn’t even need to organize along racial lines to make a difference. Jews did exactly that kind of thing pre-internet to great success: “is it good for the Jews?” White guys couldn’t have done the same? Certainly, they could have done more than they did. Your vote isn’t public.
I voted based on issues like immigration, having had specifically looked into many of the candidates I voted for based on their support of such deal-breaking issues. No one told me to do this. I didn’t need to see a television ad, and I didn’t need to be indoctrinated or red-pilled by culture or some life-altering event. I just naturally came to it as a result of my personality. I was never swayed by hollow arguments or temporary concerns like GDP, immigrant crime rates, immigrant education statistics, or “labor shortage” arguments; all of their arguments could have been true, and it wouldn’t have made any difference to me. I saw those arguments for what they really were: clever excuses meant to dampen the concerns of low-IQ whites while their destruction was none-the-less being carried out by a hostile power.
For me, it was simple to see the truth: 1. humans are naturally tribal and race/religion are the best organizing principles for highly tribal humans 2. whites aren’t as naturally tribal as minorities 3. changing the population dynamics of the country from less racially-tribal whites to highly-tribal non-whites was likely going to affect our ability to competently administer government functions and have reasonable election candidates at some point (see the 2016 GOP field and our crap healthcare system as examples) 4. the qualities of immigrants and their descendants are irrelevant because they are tribal, like all other humans, so merely having them vote in our elections while increasing in population share would eventually end democracy as we know it; people will still vote, but not in a manner absent tribal concerns, fundamentally destabilizing the current order at some point 5. there was nothing republicans could ever do to get minorities voting for them short of pitting group against group or hurting their own racial interests in the process (Karl Rove’s idiotic support for Hispanic immigration as a means of getting Hispanic votes).
These are simple, self-evident, principles. How in the hell could you guys miss this grade-school stuff? It still shocks the hell out of me. I didn’t need the internet because I am both intelligent and naturally tribal, and I can extrapolate trends, something Derbyshire has noted low IQs of being particularly terrible at. For example, I remember Star Trek: DS9 from my college years back in the 90s. The black lead on the show is from New Orleans, which is depicted on the show as French / Creole in culture. When I saw this, I immediately thought to myself, “wait, under current immigration trends would New Orleans REALLY look like this in 350 years? Shouldn’t they be eating tacos and speaking Spanish?” See how that works? It’s called critical thinking – extrapolation from known data points. I didn’t need Steven Sailer or Vdare to point out the obvious to me. All it takes is a single fact, and I start thinking about its logical implications on my own. That should be the standard, but it isn’t.
Probably 80%+ of the big ideas concerning immigration, race, genetics, politics, and the like Sailer and others have written about on their blogs I came to independently years or decades ago before ever having heard of them. If I could do that, why couldn’t others? Well, like I said, I’m one of the few examples of a white Caucasian who is BOTH intelligent AND tribal. That probably has something to do with that Warrior Gene I’ve got. Pretty cool to have a gene like that along with genes for high intelligence, huh? Makes for a stressful life, though – always fretting about the state and direction of the country while not being affected in the least by leftist propaganda meant to make me feel better about my own demise.
Most whites aren’t naturally like me, I’ve realized. They are weak-minded and easily deceived. Like children, almost. That’s unfortunate as it hurts the rest of us who are better than that.
To have a meaningful choice in these matters takes a LOT more than voting. It takes recruiting a primary challenger to the Recucklican, or creating one from scratch. The Recucklican has all the advantages of support from the CoC and RNC, which the unapproved challenger does not. Against all of this the challenger has to create name recognition, and then get enough votes in the primary to oust the Recucklican (who is probably an incumbent). ONLY THEN does the November vote actually give them a chance to push their own interests in Washington, and not one second sooner.
This was a vastly longer, harder and more expensive job than you believe it was. You are spoiled by the recent successes of Internet candidacies and viral campaigns. This is a very recent development, and in case you hadn't noticed Faceborg and Twatter are doing their best to make certain it can never happen again. Ordinary people in the past can't be blamed for not voting their interests, because the system made their votes irrelevant.
In fact, for the White race to survive, misogynists are going to have to shut their mouths.If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation.Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Rational
Lmao! You’re too cute, Rosie.
The nineteenth will have to be repealed. You’d best find you a good man instead of polluting Unz.com comment sections with your feminist white nationalism.
I hear Whiskey is single…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqgEPoEWoAAZA5W?format=jpgI already have one, thanks. I've been married for twenty years.Color me shocked!
Honey, that is wishful thinking. I really wonder why some men today still think that by some miracle women will be stripped of their right of suffrage. Perhaps you should be a good dear and stop polluting this fine site with your manospherist attitudes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAsKP5xl8c&feature=youtu.be&t=37Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
LOL. The abrupt music and message at the end was perfect.
The one thing I do notice policemen & firemen are also moving close to my favored states. At some point, LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, DC, Miami, etc. may have anarcho-terrorists on their streets and breaking into their homes since cops/first responders have been priced-out, and have moved somewhere for a better quality of life. I'm always surprised when I run into a re-located NYC/NJ cop/fireman in the Smokies, Rockies, The Plains, west Texas, rural Utah, etc. .Replies: @notanon
yes – to be honest your second point pleases me – urban liberals don’t realise how unprotected they’re gonna be when the time comes cos they drove out all the mick cops
That said, where I live, I am absolutely surrounded by Nice White Ladies who enjoy the benefits of living a white area but who choose to spend their free time campaigning for politicians who want to destroy their people and put their children in chains. These NWLs are the most annoying virtue signalling bastards I've ever seen, and they dramatically outnumber DB white guys easily five to one. Hell, most of the time, their husband - who usually pays all or most of the bills which is what gives these women so much time - is a Republican, albeit a Cuck.
It's funny, I kind of understand the annoyance that blacks and browns feel toward liberal white women. These women want to enjoy victim status while enjoying the safety and civilization of living in overwhelming white areas. They're fakes and everyone knows it but them.
But one thing that I have begun to notice is that white women are showing up more and more on our side. White women taking openly taking our side is the key. They can change the tide in a way a man can't.Replies: @Lagertha, @BB753
Bingo. This is why I despise most women – they are huge hypocrites and compulsive virtue-signalers.
MeToo 🙂 I mentioned this in one of Steve’s posts in the multiple rolling surf of posts of late. All’s not lost, and, it is due to women waking up to what they’re baby-boy will be subjected to and subjugated to.
I still see massive movement to Whitopias. Another 2 houses near mine went up for sale this week! Who puts there house on the market in late October!? Did I tell you all that I also run into a heck of lot of Californians in the MidWest/Mountain West/South…especially Texas. Many are conservatives; most of the ones I have run into….petting their dog 🙂 on the beach or something.
But we care about our family. Which is the same as our race, but at a smaller, more intimate scale.
That’s how you get to us. Stretching the meaning of kin to include Portuguese, Romanians, and Lebanese Maronites dilutes the effort, even if many individuals from these tribes can assimilate– individually.
Now this, truly deserves a Gold Box I have wanted someone to bitch-slap these guys for soooo long…they are such tedious virtue-signalers and hypocrites. So, glad it was you…nice. On top of that, the are also, soooo boring. Probably the kind of elite-Uni educated guys who dress in gear you’d wear in the Tetons (full Orvis/Eddie Bauer) when their hanging around a bar in NYC/LA….or worse, Sonoma. And, they think they are the smartest guy, evah! And, want to make everything a challenge.
“While you may not like to admit it, for “the white race to survive,” women are going to have to take a back seat. Women have no place in politics.”
That’s an ultimately self-defeating argument as women would never foolishly give away their voting rights en masse. You’re going to have to try something else if you want to make some headway. Here’s a better idea: instead of attacking white females, change the political order so that our side always wins (Red State Secession = conservative white females > democrat voting females; … or maybe the Heinlein approach, even; both are more realistic suggestions than trying to take away female voting privileges and telling them to take a back seat).
Traditionally the most conservative parts of the country have always been the middle class and upper middle class (predominantly white) suburbs. Liberals are working hard to make sure those no longer exist by introducing “income diversity” into these suburbs.
Here in our nice upper middle class suburb way up near the northwestern border of the country, the effing libtards running our city council are pushing hard for ever more “affordable” housing, i.e. thousands more apartments no one in town wanted, ostensibly to house the local “seniors, fire-fighters and teachers”, but in actuality to bring in lots of low income renters, mostly black ghetto trash and illegal immigrants from nearby crime ridden cities.
This is how liberals bust up the traditional Republican strongholds of upper middle class, mostly white suburban enclaves — by building tons of “affordable housing” in “Town Centers” to draw in thousands of low income tenants, i.e. blacks and browns, to dilute the zipcode and turn these suburbs blue. Diversity is being forced on us whether we want it or not, through the “Growth Management Act”.
In California, women (primarily Hispanic) will walk uninvited up to your baby carriage, lift up your child, and give it a hug and a kiss ... as they wax on regarding how incredibly lucky you are to have such a beautiful child. It feels awkward, but you get caught up in the moment and think nothing of it.
In the mid-Atlantic states (influenced perhaps by recent Puritan/Yankee immigrants from New York and New England), touching or photographing a child that is not yours without explicit permission is foul play. It might lead to shouting, accusations of salacious intent, and threats to call the police.
How bad is it? If you are taking iPhone photos of your child in preschool or kindergarten in a mid-Atlantic state, you had better make sure that only your child in the frame. If not, the thought police are already looking for you.
I also notice the difference when I fly to the Midwest to visit relatives (also known, of course, as the Great Flyover). The open warmth is refreshing. It is not unusual to have a warm and memorable conversation with the bus driver taking you to the rental car facility.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes, @anon
Another reason California is known as the land of fruits and nuts. A stranger wouldn’t get within an arms length of my baby. Look, but don’t touch. Babies are not public curiosities to be played with at will.
For good reason, I’d say.
Try touching an adult female without explicit permission… 😉
“At some point, LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, DC, Miami, etc. may have anarcho-terrorists on their streets”
Isn’t that what happened in New Orleans, the Chocolate City? The tribal government there ran whites out of the police and fire services by requiring them to live close to the crime-ridden urban areas (a surreptitious way to pack the government with fellow blacks while excluding their ethnic competitors). Result: massive incompetence. Eventually, Miami, LA, or SF will get the Katrina experience when some natural disaster strikes and their services can’t respond appropriately. I’m sure Trump will get the blame, somehow. Just like he did with democrat Puerto Rico and Bush did with democrat New Orleans.
“Did I tell you all that I also run into a heck of lot of Californians in the MidWest/Mountain West/South…”
God, I hate the ones with the “co-exist” stickers on their dumb hipster Volkswagen Beetles. These guys moved to Colorado and helped turn it from a Red State under Bush to a democrat blue state. Unless they vote republican, they are welcome to stay away.
“How does the White race survive when White women sell out their own men… and are PROUD of it?”
Females are instinctively attracted to dominant men. The fact that white girls do this kind of thing is more indicative of something wrong with white guy masculinity these days than with white females themselves. We need to address our own problems first before blaming women.
“he, like McCain, was everything the Dems and Big Media were always telling us we should nominate and yet”
Yet both guys got crushed in the non-white vote column anyway and West Coast liberals like Bill Maher made them out to be the next Literally Hitler (TM), despite Romney at least being as milquetoast as they come. You would think that kind of thing would be a huge wake up call for the Ruling Class.
“Take off your feminist blinkers (the Anglin comment, at least, is a dead giveaway)”
Lol, no it’s not. Have you seen some of the stuff that guy has put on his website? Pretty much any girl would be offended by that. I especially loved the “Wolfenstein Elliot Rodgers Meets Frat Girl Party” pic. Funny, if you have a demented sense of humor…but that’s not going to win any allies in the Venus community.
“One thing I’ve learned about the conventional wisdom on this site in the past couple days is that democrats really freaking care about immigration.”
Stephen Col-Bert spent a whole propaganda segment attacking Trump for attacking the Caravan of the Saints and Future Einsteins (TM). They care when it 1. doesn’t affect them directly 2. can be used to attack their opponents as “bad people”.
“Gold box this comment.”
Gold boxes are reserved for insightful comments and not merely personal opinions. Hence, no gold box.
“draw in thousands of low income tenants, i.e. blacks and browns, to dilute the zipcode and turn these suburbs blue. Diversity is being forced on us whether we want it or not, through the “Growth Management Act”
The deep state is trying to do to us what the Chinese did to the Tibetans: dilute their culture and bring their territory under central control by mass immigrating foreigners. Obama was putting large numbers of reliable democrat voting Somalis and others in Red States to secure electoral victories.
Only with each other. I've never had that experience with blacks. Ever. They are standoffish, rude, and very quiet whenever someone of a different race interacts with them, especially in diverse areas or while they are working middle-class or lower-class jobs. (stress?) This is exemplified most in retail. I once went into a Southern grocery store about a decade ago. The black cashier was rude to the point of discomfort. I put my groceries on the counter and she refused to even begin checking them until they were presented to her in the supposed correct manner (not advertised anywhere). She just stared at me with contempt for several seconds before rudely telling me how to present my groceries in front of her for scanning. I apologized and did as she requested. This kind of bizarre behavior has been repeated to me many times, even to the point where one of my SWPL friends noticed it and commented on it, specifically mentioning the person's race - probably the first time she ever realized that people of different races don't get along. Of course, you won't get this treatment all the time, but you will begin to notice a significant discrepancy between how different racial groups treat each other if you look for it or happen to be in a diverse area for long.
Every time I enter a racially diverse area where blacks are a significant part of the population, I get this kind of attitude, moreso than any other race in any other area - except perhaps some orthodox Jewish areas back in NYC in the early 90s. There is a noticeable difference between black and white employees in terms of how non-black customers are treated, even within the same store: blacks are rude to all non-blacks while whites are polite to all racial groups. Sound familiar? As another poster wrote, whites evolved to be cooperative with non-group members. Not so much for other groups.
As an aside, IMO, Southern Whites match or exceed NYC blacks in all the categories you mentioned. If you are willing to drop the reflexive contempt generated for them by shows like Law and Order, you'll come to enjoy their company much more so than most above Mason-Dixon blacks and many disingenuous, backstabbing SWPL whites. The exception are white Southerners who moved to LA. They are all a**h***s for some reason, and you definitely shouldn't trust them because they are all smooth-talking liars who brag about growing up in poor areas so they can trick you into feeling sorry for them. LA selecting for the worst of humanity?Replies: @AndrewR
Like this guy?
I think he still lives in TN but his leftist smug is as bad as any west coast SJW
I still see massive movement to Whitopias. Another 2 houses near mine went up for sale this week! Who puts there house on the market in late October!? Did I tell you all that I also run into a heck of lot of Californians in the MidWest/Mountain West/South...especially Texas. Many are conservatives; most of the ones I have run into....petting their dog :) on the beach or something.Replies: @Anon, @Rosie
I don’t understand the implication here. They are pulling up stakes from where and moving where? How do you know this?
That’s an ultimately self-defeating argument as women would never foolishly give away their voting rights en masse. You’re going to have to try something else if you want to make some headway. Here’s a better idea: instead of attacking white females, change the political order so that our side always wins (Red State Secession = conservative white females > democrat voting females; … or maybe the Heinlein approach, even; both are more realistic suggestions than trying to take away female voting privileges and telling them to take a back seat).Replies: @Anonymous
What is the Heinlein approach?
Nevertheless, having been on both sides, the left is more at fault for this, especially since the circa 2013 collective mental breakdown.Replies: @Forbes
Blair Nathan’s comment strikes me as a straw man argument about America as an abstract proposition–or a proposition nation. This is a prog-lefty and neocon idea, mainly.
Old fashioned liberals who wish to preserve, and conservatives intent on conserving, the American Creed–the founding documents of the Declaration and the Constitution (and the Federalist papers)–do not argue about what Nathan calls an abstraction.
Of course nobody can agree on what the “proposition” is–the concept is a post-modern invention having nothing to do with the ideas contain in the founding documents–the basis of the country. It’s introduction is for the purpose of changing the conversation–a distraction.
The problem is that if you don’t stretch the meaning of kin to include all White nations, you cannot take on the NWO. Individual White nations are weak.
In California, women (primarily Hispanic) will walk uninvited up to your baby carriage, lift up your child, and give it a hug and a kiss ... as they wax on regarding how incredibly lucky you are to have such a beautiful child. It feels awkward, but you get caught up in the moment and think nothing of it.
In the mid-Atlantic states (influenced perhaps by recent Puritan/Yankee immigrants from New York and New England), touching or photographing a child that is not yours without explicit permission is foul play. It might lead to shouting, accusations of salacious intent, and threats to call the police.
How bad is it? If you are taking iPhone photos of your child in preschool or kindergarten in a mid-Atlantic state, you had better make sure that only your child in the frame. If not, the thought police are already looking for you.
I also notice the difference when I fly to the Midwest to visit relatives (also known, of course, as the Great Flyover). The open warmth is refreshing. It is not unusual to have a warm and memorable conversation with the bus driver taking you to the rental car facility.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes, @anon
Are you serious? That feels a lot more than “awkward” to me. That’s downright freakish behavior. Picking up a stranger’s child without the mother’s permission is such a big no-no.
Another reason why multiculturalism is a failed concept.
“Only Jewish organizations get to count Jews. And count them, they do. Obsessively.”
In Israel they do. Jew counting in the USA is half hearted and half assed. The best US data is general population surveys probably by organizations like Pew and Gallup.
“Where are the stats for Jewish interracial marriage?”
There is Israeli data for this once again. But they have a strict definition of Jew. I certainly wouldn’t count.
I’ve seen the 50% US intermarriage rate estimate many times, and going back several decades.
I read that if you exclude the Orthodox, the intermarriage rate for Jews in The U.S skyrockets from 50% to a whopping 70%.Replies: @Anonymous
They’ve also disarmed themselves via draconian gun control laws. San Fran and Chicago might go one way, Miami will be different as it is a heavily armed city. I’ve seen estimates that as many as 50% of automobiles in Dade County (I know its now “Miami-Dade” but I refuse to change) have a handgun present.
white people (especially NW euros) are less tribal (as a result of 1000 years of outbreeding imo) and that is a major problem however it also means that if/when they wake up they will be capable of cooperating effectively across national lines.
Thanks, I needed that!Replies: @notanon
If you say so. Not that I am picky, but I don’t see it.
Someone who posts in the crazytown Ron Unz articles uses this as his weblink. Absolutely fascinating and funny insight into the mindset. NSFW!
http://www.seductivejewess4.com
I still see massive movement to Whitopias. Another 2 houses near mine went up for sale this week! Who puts there house on the market in late October!? Did I tell you all that I also run into a heck of lot of Californians in the MidWest/Mountain West/South...especially Texas. Many are conservatives; most of the ones I have run into....petting their dog :) on the beach or something.Replies: @Anon, @Rosie
This is only a problem if they are virtue signaling in the wrong ways for the wrong things. In a healthier society, this type of woman would be active in combatting the opioid epidemic or protecting bird habitats or whatever else.
That said, where I live, I am absolutely surrounded by Nice White Ladies who enjoy the benefits of living a white area but who choose to spend their free time campaigning for politicians who want to destroy their people and put their children in chains. These NWLs are the most annoying virtue signalling bastards I've ever seen, and they dramatically outnumber DB white guys easily five to one. Hell, most of the time, their husband - who usually pays all or most of the bills which is what gives these women so much time - is a Republican, albeit a Cuck.
It's funny, I kind of understand the annoyance that blacks and browns feel toward liberal white women. These women want to enjoy victim status while enjoying the safety and civilization of living in overwhelming white areas. They're fakes and everyone knows it but them.
But one thing that I have begun to notice is that white women are showing up more and more on our side. White women taking openly taking our side is the key. They can change the tide in a way a man can't.Replies: @Lagertha, @BB753
” White women taking openly taking our side is the key.”
Don’t kid yourself. Women never choose sides in a war: they choose the winner.
Lol. Like there would be an opioid epidemic in a healthy society. Anyway, you get the idea.
Dr. notanon: Rosie, take this White pill and call me in the morning.
Thanks, I needed that!
(one of the things you notice with the more "tribal" nationalist types is they have a hard time not getting into fights with each other over some historical thing or other so *if^ enough people wake up in time having a lot of less tribal people will actually help with cooperation... if)
Black Americans sure are tribal. So are Jews. With Hispanics, nationality trumps race. Mexicans stick with Mexicans, Salvadorans with Salvadorans, Ricans with Ricans, etc.
Lots of Hispanics in California are half Mexican and half El Salvadorian.
Lots of Hispanics in New York are half Puerto Rican and half Dominican.Replies: @BB753
“What is the Heinlein approach?”
You restrict voting rights to those who earn them rather than simply handing them out by virtue of birth (i.e. it is the elimination of birthright universal suffrage en lieu of meritocratic suffrage). Specifically, this is done by requiring a term of military service with no other means available. Otherwise, the system eventually ends up with the wrong kinds of voters and we get right back to our current failed system via slow creep to universal suffrage.
In this system, everyone still has basic freedoms and right like freedom of speech, but only those who have done a term of service get to vote and run for office. After serving a full term, the recruit can go back into the private sector if they so wish, but with full voting rights.
This has several advantages over the current system:
1. Self-selection for the kinds of people who we want running our society: patriotic, conservatives and, disproportionately, white males.
2. We get the same effects as restricting votes to “landowners” as the republic originally did without all the messiness that goes along with it, such as racial oppression or revoking women’s voting rights.
3. Elimination of the Ivory Tower elite as the voting pool starts to resemble normies.
4. This system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex; but in reality, this kind of military service lends itself to conservatives (and whites) more than SJW freaks, meaning the latter group is locked out of power permanently.
5. A much greater probability would exist that policies such as immigration restriction (among many needed reforms) get enacted and enforced.
6. Adopting this system would give us time to solve our demographic problems, and the means to do so with a more conservative voting pool. I can imagine this kind of government instituting reforms to increase the white middle-class birthrate, something unimaginable now. Also, white males with voting rights in this kind of closed system instantly become very desirable to females. This will help enormously in a) increasing our birth rate b) producing future generations of quality people (fewer SJW weirdos as they breed themselves out of the population via low birth rates and more patriotic, normal white people as they have more children).
7. This has some chance of passing legally. For example, there may be enough republican Red States to pass an amendment to the constitution to get this system adopted. Basically, the Red States manipulate the constitution’s basis on states rather than raw population to take control, regardless of the fact that probably a majority of the people now in the country as a result of immigration wouldn’t vote for this.
8. The military is well liked and more trusted than congress, so this possibility is more likely than partition or revolution and more appealing than the current madness.
9. There is a much lower probability that the nation will either dissolve or collapse into despotism over the course of this century, which is definitely the path we are on now.
10. Political Correctness fades as a new system of power biased towards politically incorrect normies is put into place.
11. Something like this is already done as the US immigrates a class of people who are allowed to do everything except vote and run for office. We don’t have any problems with those people, and they seem to get along just fine. Democrats will do fine with that designation.
12. People with military-based voting rights are more willing to defend them against those who would try and take them away by force. Everyone’s freedoms are defended when we have a pool of people ready to defend their own freedoms with violence, if necessary.
13. National referenda become viable with a more limited voting pool.
14. This is the only opportunity Libertarians will ever have to implement any of their dumb policies, if that is your thing.
And on and on. If something like this were to be enacted, I would suggest first extending suffrage to all likely republicans and active/former military while banning the democrat party and permanently revoking any possibility for them to ever vote in our elections again. This will make things go over better and give tens of millions of people a reason to fight for the system. Individuals under 18 would need to serve several years in a branch of the military before being granted voting rights. All in all, this is the dream scenario for saving the country. In my opinion, it is so good as to be almost self-evident. However, it would take a real miracle to get it done and someone respected enough to lead the effort, though. That ain’t Trump. If Eisenhower were still around, he could do it.
You mean disadvantages.
"1. Self-selection for the kinds of people who we want running our society: patriotic, conservatives and, disproportionately, white males."
Who is this "we"? Furthermore, how do you set about convincing people that "disproportinately, white males" ought to be "running our society", especially those alpha white males who are fine with how things are running now?
"2. We get the same effects as restricting votes to “landowners” as the republic originally did without all the messiness that goes along with it, such as racial oppression or revoking women’s voting rights."
Except it creates a new elite, and inevitably leads to jealousy and tyranny. And you forgot your history. By the 1830's, individual states, by way of the 10th Amendment, began to eliminate property laws for voting. Should not each state make its own decision in this regard, rather than a central government?
"3. Elimination of the Ivory Tower elite as the voting pool starts to resemble normies."
Except it would not be "normies", the voting pool would be a newly created elite.
"4. This system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex; but in reality, this kind of military service lends itself to conservatives (and whites) more than SJW freaks, meaning the latter group is locked out of power permanently."
You realize you contradict yourself, right? I'll let you figure it out for yourself.
"5. A much greater probability would exist that policies such as immigration restriction (among many needed reforms) get enacted and enforced."
How? You really need to explain yourself here.
"6. Adopting this system would give us time to solve our demographic problems, and the means to do so with a more conservative voting pool. I can imagine this kind of government instituting reforms to increase the white middle-class birthrate, something unimaginable now. Also, white males with voting rights in this kind of closed system instantly become very desirable to females. This will help enormously in a) increasing our birth rate b) producing future generations of quality people (fewer SJW weirdos as they breed themselves out of the population via low birth rates and more patriotic, normal white people as they have more children)."
Assuming that we have demographic problems. And how are you certain that this system will lead white females to swoon over white males?
"7. This has some chance of passing legally. For example, there may be enough republican Red States to pass an amendment to the constitution to get this system adopted. Basically, the Red States manipulate the constitution’s basis on states rather than raw population to take control, regardless of the fact that probably a majority of the people now in the country as a result of immigration wouldn’t vote for this."
What chance? You have to get your proposal into the public consciousness. How do you propose getting this done? Are you Daddy Warbucks with an infinite amount of money to fund such an operation? Moreover, you are assuming that Red States will automatically be drawn to your proposal.
"8. The military is well liked and more trusted than congress, so this possibility is more likely than partition or revolution and more appealing than the current madness."
Again, how do you convince the military of the viability of your proposal?
"9. There is a much lower probability that the nation will either dissolve or collapse into despotism over the course of this century, which is definitely the path we are on now."
Again, more explanation here is needed.
"10. Political Correctness fades as a new system of power biased towards politically incorrect normies is put into place."
So, you put into place your own brand of PC by way of propaganda and indoctrination.
"And on and on. If something like this were to be enacted, I would suggest first extending suffrage to all likely republicans and active/former military while banning the democrat party and permanently revoking any possibility for them to ever vote in our elections again."
Wait, you just said that this "this system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex". Yet, you are calling for certain segments of our population to have their liberties banned forever. So how on earth will your proposal even get off the ground under this scenario?
“Like this guy? I think he still lives in TN but his leftist smug is as bad as any west coast SJW.”
There is an exception to every rule. Doesn’t mean that rules and trends don’t exist. Don’t be obtuse.
If women didn’t have the vote, who they chose to follow would matter almost not at all and the men could vote themselves out of their situation.
Thanks, I needed that!Replies: @notanon
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(one of the things you notice with the more “tribal” nationalist types is they have a hard time not getting into fights with each other over some historical thing or other so *if^ enough people wake up in time having a lot of less tribal people will actually help with cooperation… if)
Maybe Jamelle greets black people in New York also. I subscribe to his weekly newsletter, and he’s a photographer who has problems with street photography (which is grabbing people shots without asking permission, Garry Winogrand or Joel Meyerowitz style) and photographing people with perminssion (Diane Arbus style), so I think he’s a bit shy, but he may overcome that for other blacks.
My point in the original post was that Jamelle was criticizing white people for doing to him what he himself does to white people in his neighborhood. If Jamelle is high-fivin’ white passersby, the whole dog thing would not arise. What is obviously happening is that Jamelle is ignoring white people and white people are, as he interprets it, ignoring him, but commenting on his dog, as they will comment on his baby when he has one. How can he criticize them in that context, with its “dog whistle” intimation of racism?
I live in Japan and I greet passing foreigners in my neighborhood, but not in central Tokyo — that would be weird. I greet passing Japanese when I am in front of my house, but not at the shopping street near the station, but I do greet passing foreigners there. Motorcyclists here have a special hand wave we give each other as we pass. So I would not be surprised if people in Jamelle’s neighborhood have greeting customs of any sort. The point is, reading his tweet, he is accusing whites of misbehaving in a way he also misbehaves.
All they had to do is vote. They didn't even need to organize along racial lines to make a difference. Jews did exactly that kind of thing pre-internet to great success: "is it good for the Jews?" White guys couldn't have done the same? Certainly, they could have done more than they did. Your vote isn't public.
I voted based on issues like immigration, having had specifically looked into many of the candidates I voted for based on their support of such deal-breaking issues. No one told me to do this. I didn't need to see a television ad, and I didn't need to be indoctrinated or red-pilled by culture or some life-altering event. I just naturally came to it as a result of my personality. I was never swayed by hollow arguments or temporary concerns like GDP, immigrant crime rates, immigrant education statistics, or "labor shortage" arguments; all of their arguments could have been true, and it wouldn't have made any difference to me. I saw those arguments for what they really were: clever excuses meant to dampen the concerns of low-IQ whites while their destruction was none-the-less being carried out by a hostile power.
For me, it was simple to see the truth: 1. humans are naturally tribal and race/religion are the best organizing principles for highly tribal humans 2. whites aren't as naturally tribal as minorities 3. changing the population dynamics of the country from less racially-tribal whites to highly-tribal non-whites was likely going to affect our ability to competently administer government functions and have reasonable election candidates at some point (see the 2016 GOP field and our crap healthcare system as examples) 4. the qualities of immigrants and their descendants are irrelevant because they are tribal, like all other humans, so merely having them vote in our elections while increasing in population share would eventually end democracy as we know it; people will still vote, but not in a manner absent tribal concerns, fundamentally destabilizing the current order at some point 5. there was nothing republicans could ever do to get minorities voting for them short of pitting group against group or hurting their own racial interests in the process (Karl Rove's idiotic support for Hispanic immigration as a means of getting Hispanic votes).
These are simple, self-evident, principles. How in the hell could you guys miss this grade-school stuff? It still shocks the hell out of me. I didn't need the internet because I am both intelligent and naturally tribal, and I can extrapolate trends, something Derbyshire has noted low IQs of being particularly terrible at. For example, I remember Star Trek: DS9 from my college years back in the 90s. The black lead on the show is from New Orleans, which is depicted on the show as French / Creole in culture. When I saw this, I immediately thought to myself, "wait, under current immigration trends would New Orleans REALLY look like this in 350 years? Shouldn't they be eating tacos and speaking Spanish?" See how that works? It's called critical thinking - extrapolation from known data points. I didn't need Steven Sailer or Vdare to point out the obvious to me. All it takes is a single fact, and I start thinking about its logical implications on my own. That should be the standard, but it isn't.
Probably 80%+ of the big ideas concerning immigration, race, genetics, politics, and the like Sailer and others have written about on their blogs I came to independently years or decades ago before ever having heard of them. If I could do that, why couldn't others? Well, like I said, I'm one of the few examples of a white Caucasian who is BOTH intelligent AND tribal. That probably has something to do with that Warrior Gene I've got. Pretty cool to have a gene like that along with genes for high intelligence, huh? Makes for a stressful life, though - always fretting about the state and direction of the country while not being affected in the least by leftist propaganda meant to make me feel better about my own demise.
Most whites aren't naturally like me, I've realized. They are weak-minded and easily deceived. Like children, almost. That's unfortunate as it hurts the rest of us who are better than that.Replies: @Mr. Rational
ORLY? Vote for the Demonrat who hates them, or the Recucklican who’s owned by the CoC and will replace them with illegals if they can make a dime thereby?
To have a meaningful choice in these matters takes a LOT more than voting. It takes recruiting a primary challenger to the Recucklican, or creating one from scratch. The Recucklican has all the advantages of support from the CoC and RNC, which the unapproved challenger does not. Against all of this the challenger has to create name recognition, and then get enough votes in the primary to oust the Recucklican (who is probably an incumbent). ONLY THEN does the November vote actually give them a chance to push their own interests in Washington, and not one second sooner.
This was a vastly longer, harder and more expensive job than you believe it was. You are spoiled by the recent successes of Internet candidacies and viral campaigns. This is a very recent development, and in case you hadn’t noticed Faceborg and Twatter are doing their best to make certain it can never happen again. Ordinary people in the past can’t be blamed for not voting their interests, because the system made their votes irrelevant.
Presumably the veteran government of Starship Troopers (the book, not the crappy movie).
In Israel they do. Jew counting in the USA is half hearted and half assed. The best US data is general population surveys probably by organizations like Pew and Gallup.
"Where are the stats for Jewish interracial marriage?"
There is Israeli data for this once again. But they have a strict definition of Jew. I certainly wouldn't count.
I've seen the 50% US intermarriage rate estimate many times, and going back several decades.Replies: @Jefferson
“I’ve seen the 50% US intermarriage rate estimate many times, and going back several decades.”
I read that if you exclude the Orthodox, the intermarriage rate for Jews in The U.S skyrockets from 50% to a whopping 70%.
“Mexicans stick with Mexicans, Salvadorans with Salvadorans, Ricans with Ricans, etc.”
Lots of Hispanics in California are half Mexican and half El Salvadorian.
Lots of Hispanics in New York are half Puerto Rican and half Dominican.
In fact, for the White race to survive, misogynists are going to have to shut their mouths.If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation.Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Rational
Black people deny that Black political control results in massive destruction, turning cities into wastelands. What some people choose to deny has nothing to do with what is true or false, just what is for or against their perceived interests. If you want civilization (including indoor plumbing), you need to put White men in the driver’s seat. They have a track record, including creating everything of real worth around you with the sole exception of your children. Female suffrage does not.
I don't hide my disdain, extreme distrust of most women. And, the selling-out and denigration of men was ratcheted-up with the Pussy Hats, MeToo, and Kavanaugh Kabuki Theater.
The only satisfying episode was the purge of the Hollywood jerks by women....and some men! Priceless! Someone should make a clever campaign ad on the guys who got ousted. Women should be reminded that these were mostly liberal men, in Larry David's words, awkwardly from the same tribe.Replies: @Mr. Rational
Rosie is a typical solipstic woman. SHE is a happy homemaker with 6 kids, so EVERY White woman is a happy homemaker with 6 kids… only they aren’t, way too many are career shrikes, cat ladies and mudsharks (with some overlap). She doesn’t grasp that eliminating female suffrage and EOE would be of huge benefit to her husband, and thus to her and her children; she can’t think that far ahead.
For the NFL, Blacks and Jews tend to be a bit more avid than Whites in Dallas.
Hispanics in Dallas are HUGE NFL fans, especially of The Cowboys.Replies: @ben tillman
I can't count the number of White women in media fantasizing about eliminating White men and gloating over our decline. Or fantasizing about Obama. In print.
White women are just naturally the enemy of the White man. Happy to join with vibrants in looting Joe Average. Plus social media likes from the powerful and celebrities.
What's missing from Progressive politics? White men. Save dbag Gavin Newsome I can't think of any under 75 White male Dems.Replies: @notanon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman
After all these years as Evil Neocon, Testing 99, and Whiskey, you have finally outdone yourself.
Yeah, get what you’re saying, but we don’t have a “healthier society,” currently – as far as our well-to-do white women/educated ww.
Our liberal white women, among you and me & conservative women in general, hate us. Like Whiskey, they hate, hate, hate us….we are Eva Brauns in their minds.
And, the opioid epidemic was the long-term plan of the Sackler family to decimate founding stock whites in the Plains States, Mountain States, Rust Belt and Allegheny/Appalachian/Smokie mountains region. Look at all the ads Purdue Pharma puts out for penance every Sunday NYT! They will go to hell as far as I am concerned – they’re finished.
Absolutely. Just like Texas enacting laws discouraging bastardy and denying illegals an education funded by citizens.
I still j’adore Whiskey, even if he never changes his mind.
I'd HATE, HATE, HATE to see him dial it down.
seriously? I’m not gonna give you my notes so you can do your homework. Get a life and a name/handle – get some balls…put out your name, for eff’s sake or STFU. If you are so afraid of using a name…I have no respect for you…you are a loser, and you probably know that.
Lots of Hispanics in California are half Mexican and half El Salvadorian.
Lots of Hispanics in New York are half Puerto Rican and half Dominican.Replies: @BB753
Sure, there are mutts. But my point was that Hispanics aren’t yet a monolithic block. Dems are trying to turn them into a single ethnic group, which they’re not. Time will tell.
“For the NFL, Blacks and Jews tend to be a bit more avid than Whites in Dallas.”
Hispanics in Dallas are HUGE NFL fans, especially of The Cowboys.
It has resonated with every white man I have referred to read it. Maybe you should consider why that may be? Even if he gets something wrong( I don’t think he does) why do so many young men say “exactly!”
I read that if you exclude the Orthodox, the intermarriage rate for Jews in The U.S skyrockets from 50% to a whopping 70%.Replies: @Anonymous
Now exclude from the numerator second marriages and marriages without children.
Still quite high. Most Millennial and Generation Z Jews in The U.S do not even have 2 Jewish parents.
Quiet you! We all know your game by now. Faux-MOR us into oblivion.
Is this your effort to engage in tribalism? Pretty weak sauce. Pro-tip --> Look in the mirror and say some tough things, then write them down and send me your message. Or, you could try it on your wife, if you want to live dangerously. She's a Becky, right?
Is that so?
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I already have one, thanks. I’ve been married for twenty years.
Color me shocked!
“The nineteenth will have to be repealed.”
Honey, that is wishful thinking. I really wonder why some men today still think that by some miracle women will be stripped of their right of suffrage. Perhaps you should be a good dear and stop polluting this fine site with your manospherist attitudes.
You restrict voting rights to those who earn them rather than simply handing them out by virtue of birth (i.e. it is the elimination of birthright universal suffrage en lieu of meritocratic suffrage). Specifically, this is done by requiring a term of military service with no other means available. Otherwise, the system eventually ends up with the wrong kinds of voters and we get right back to our current failed system via slow creep to universal suffrage.
In this system, everyone still has basic freedoms and right like freedom of speech, but only those who have done a term of service get to vote and run for office. After serving a full term, the recruit can go back into the private sector if they so wish, but with full voting rights.
This has several advantages over the current system:
1. Self-selection for the kinds of people who we want running our society: patriotic, conservatives and, disproportionately, white males.
2. We get the same effects as restricting votes to "landowners" as the republic originally did without all the messiness that goes along with it, such as racial oppression or revoking women's voting rights.
3. Elimination of the Ivory Tower elite as the voting pool starts to resemble normies.
4. This system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex; but in reality, this kind of military service lends itself to conservatives (and whites) more than SJW freaks, meaning the latter group is locked out of power permanently.
5. A much greater probability would exist that policies such as immigration restriction (among many needed reforms) get enacted and enforced.
6. Adopting this system would give us time to solve our demographic problems, and the means to do so with a more conservative voting pool. I can imagine this kind of government instituting reforms to increase the white middle-class birthrate, something unimaginable now. Also, white males with voting rights in this kind of closed system instantly become very desirable to females. This will help enormously in a) increasing our birth rate b) producing future generations of quality people (fewer SJW weirdos as they breed themselves out of the population via low birth rates and more patriotic, normal white people as they have more children).
7. This has some chance of passing legally. For example, there may be enough republican Red States to pass an amendment to the constitution to get this system adopted. Basically, the Red States manipulate the constitution's basis on states rather than raw population to take control, regardless of the fact that probably a majority of the people now in the country as a result of immigration wouldn't vote for this.
8. The military is well liked and more trusted than congress, so this possibility is more likely than partition or revolution and more appealing than the current madness.
9. There is a much lower probability that the nation will either dissolve or collapse into despotism over the course of this century, which is definitely the path we are on now.
10. Political Correctness fades as a new system of power biased towards politically incorrect normies is put into place.
11. Something like this is already done as the US immigrates a class of people who are allowed to do everything except vote and run for office. We don't have any problems with those people, and they seem to get along just fine. Democrats will do fine with that designation.
12. People with military-based voting rights are more willing to defend them against those who would try and take them away by force. Everyone's freedoms are defended when we have a pool of people ready to defend their own freedoms with violence, if necessary.
13. National referenda become viable with a more limited voting pool.
14. This is the only opportunity Libertarians will ever have to implement any of their dumb policies, if that is your thing.
And on and on. If something like this were to be enacted, I would suggest first extending suffrage to all likely republicans and active/former military while banning the democrat party and permanently revoking any possibility for them to ever vote in our elections again. This will make things go over better and give tens of millions of people a reason to fight for the system. Individuals under 18 would need to serve several years in a branch of the military before being granted voting rights. All in all, this is the dream scenario for saving the country. In my opinion, it is so good as to be almost self-evident. However, it would take a real miracle to get it done and someone respected enough to lead the effort, though. That ain't Trump. If Eisenhower were still around, he could do it.Replies: @Corvinus
“This has several advantages over the current system:”
You mean disadvantages.
“1. Self-selection for the kinds of people who we want running our society: patriotic, conservatives and, disproportionately, white males.”
Who is this “we”? Furthermore, how do you set about convincing people that “disproportinately, white males” ought to be “running our society”, especially those alpha white males who are fine with how things are running now?
“2. We get the same effects as restricting votes to “landowners” as the republic originally did without all the messiness that goes along with it, such as racial oppression or revoking women’s voting rights.”
Except it creates a new elite, and inevitably leads to jealousy and tyranny. And you forgot your history. By the 1830’s, individual states, by way of the 10th Amendment, began to eliminate property laws for voting. Should not each state make its own decision in this regard, rather than a central government?
“3. Elimination of the Ivory Tower elite as the voting pool starts to resemble normies.”
Except it would not be “normies”, the voting pool would be a newly created elite.
“4. This system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex; but in reality, this kind of military service lends itself to conservatives (and whites) more than SJW freaks, meaning the latter group is locked out of power permanently.”
You realize you contradict yourself, right? I’ll let you figure it out for yourself.
“5. A much greater probability would exist that policies such as immigration restriction (among many needed reforms) get enacted and enforced.”
How? You really need to explain yourself here.
“6. Adopting this system would give us time to solve our demographic problems, and the means to do so with a more conservative voting pool. I can imagine this kind of government instituting reforms to increase the white middle-class birthrate, something unimaginable now. Also, white males with voting rights in this kind of closed system instantly become very desirable to females. This will help enormously in a) increasing our birth rate b) producing future generations of quality people (fewer SJW weirdos as they breed themselves out of the population via low birth rates and more patriotic, normal white people as they have more children).”
Assuming that we have demographic problems. And how are you certain that this system will lead white females to swoon over white males?
“7. This has some chance of passing legally. For example, there may be enough republican Red States to pass an amendment to the constitution to get this system adopted. Basically, the Red States manipulate the constitution’s basis on states rather than raw population to take control, regardless of the fact that probably a majority of the people now in the country as a result of immigration wouldn’t vote for this.”
What chance? You have to get your proposal into the public consciousness. How do you propose getting this done? Are you Daddy Warbucks with an infinite amount of money to fund such an operation? Moreover, you are assuming that Red States will automatically be drawn to your proposal.
“8. The military is well liked and more trusted than congress, so this possibility is more likely than partition or revolution and more appealing than the current madness.”
Again, how do you convince the military of the viability of your proposal?
“9. There is a much lower probability that the nation will either dissolve or collapse into despotism over the course of this century, which is definitely the path we are on now.”
Again, more explanation here is needed.
“10. Political Correctness fades as a new system of power biased towards politically incorrect normies is put into place.”
So, you put into place your own brand of PC by way of propaganda and indoctrination.
“And on and on. If something like this were to be enacted, I would suggest first extending suffrage to all likely republicans and active/former military while banning the democrat party and permanently revoking any possibility for them to ever vote in our elections again.”
Wait, you just said that this “this system has legitimacy because, in theory, anyone can sign up and serve irrespective of race or religion or sex”. Yet, you are calling for certain segments of our population to have their liberties banned forever. So how on earth will your proposal even get off the ground under this scenario?
I’m a bit surprised Jamelle Bouie walks his dog; I had him figured for a guy who would carry his dog in his purse.
“Quiet you! We all know your game by now. Faux-MOR us into oblivion.”
Is this your effort to engage in tribalism? Pretty weak sauce. Pro-tip –> Look in the mirror and say some tough things, then write them down and send me your message. Or, you could try it on your wife, if you want to live dangerously. She’s a Becky, right?
“Now exclude from the numerator second marriages and marriages without children.”
Still quite high. Most Millennial and Generation Z Jews in The U.S do not even have 2 Jewish parents.
Then why are the smaller white nations, eg Denmark, Hungary, Finland, Slovakia, doing best at holding the fort?
In any event, this topic is really above my pay grade. I've never had much interest in international relations. You could be right, and I wish all these countries the best.
Shouldn’t that be latinx?
iSteve wouldn’t be iSteve without a shot of Whiskey.
I’d HATE, HATE, HATE to see him dial it down.
I don’t think they could withstand a serious campaign of trade sanctions, let alone getting the Serbia treatment, unless there are enough of them that they could form a bloc.
In any event, this topic is really above my pay grade. I’ve never had much interest in international relations. You could be right, and I wish all these countries the best.
I go by the data, not whether or not something “resonates” with people.
I don’t think you understood my point. I agree with you completely about Jewish guiltmongerimg and private sanctions. I just think it’s ridiculous to expect women to resist these influences when even men are largely incapable of doing so.
The point, Rosie, is that if White women backed their men instead of going with the guiltmongering and sanctions, the men would be much more able to resist as well.
Almost as hard as the deracinated post-whites who actually do, with the help of some post-Jews.
Hispanics in Dallas are HUGE NFL fans, especially of The Cowboys.Replies: @ben tillman
Certainly true for those who have been here a while.
Deep down, women really hate, hate, hate civilization. They want a world that suits them. Just like Blacks.
Because women flourish best in a Conan the Barbarian world. Right.
Of course not, but women aren’t rational creatures.