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From the AP (via Marginal Revolution):

STUDY PROVES HIGH HEELS DO HAVE POWER OVER MEN
BY THOMAS ADAMSON
AP FASHION WRITER

PARIS (AP) — The well-heeled Marilyn Monroe reportedly once said if you give a girl the right shoes, she can conquer the world.

… Now a scientific study in France has measured their power.

Scientists from the Universite de Bretagne-Sud conducted experiments that showed that men behave very differently toward high-heeled women. The results, published online in the journal “Archives of Sexual Behaviour,” may please the purveyors of Christian Louboutin or Jimmy Choo shoes – yet frustrate those who think stilettos encourage sexism.

The study found if a woman drops a glove on the street while wearing heels, she’s almost 50 percent more likely to have a man fetch it for her than if she’s wearing flats.

Another finding: A woman wearing heels is twice as likely to persuade men to stop and answer survey questions on the street. …

“Women’s shoe heel size exerts a powerful effect on men’s behavior,” says the study’s author, Nicolas Gueguen, a behavioral science researcher. “Simply put, they make women more beautiful.”

… But on women as “signifiers of femininity,” raised shoes initially appeared in Ancient Greece and Rome, according to Elizabeth Semmelhack of The Bata Shoe Museum. In Rome, where the sex trade was legal, high heels helped clients identify prostitutes in crowds.

Although high heels were worn for centuries in the Ottoman Empire and in Persia for horseback riding, they only minced into the West in the 1500s, when they were associated with imperial power and popularized as erotic in the 19th and 20th centuries. Such was the allure that a person with status or wealth became referred to as “well-heeled.” …

Gueguen’s study had 19-year-old female volunteers wearing black shoes with heels that were 0.5cm (0.2 inches) or 5cm (2 inches) or 9cm (3 1/2 inches) high. Then they asked men between the ages of 25-50 for help in various circumstances.

One situation involved a woman asking passers-by: “Excuse me, sir. We are currently conducting a survey on gender equality. Would you agree to answer our questionnaire?” Flat heels got a 46.7% answer rate, medium heels a 63% rate and the highest heels a whopping 83% success rate from the men.

That’s pretty funny.

Nowadays, the most fashionable heels on the runways and in nightclubs are higher still – with spiked heels commonly measuring 10 cm (4 inches) and extreme heels, dangerously, above 13 cm (5 inches).

Medically, high heels can cause back pain and increase the risk of ankle injuries. Prolonged heel wearing can even permanently shorten calf tendons.

And in social terms, women’s rights advocates have objected to high heels, saying they reinforce a misogynist stereotype: women as sex objects to be ogled by men. ….

“Heels don’t subordinate women – they empower them in romance,” said [Jean-Claude] Kaufmann. “The important thing to remember in seduction is that it’s all a game.”

Spoken like a true Frenchman.

Most young men don’t really grasp the influence women exert over them depending upon shoe choice. One of my roommates in college was a guy named Ronnie, whose father owned a shoe factory in Dallas. He was always pointing out to the rest of us women-and-their-shoes things that we would never have noticed, such as that the Playmate of the Month was wearing five-inch heels. At the time, it seemed either weird or self-serving of him, but looking back, it’s more like he was the only one of us not very worldly youths to have any insight into the subject.

When I was at Rice U., a science and engineering-oriented school along the lines of MIT, there were three boys for every two girls among the undergrads. When I was 26, I went back to Houston for the 5th year reunion. We alums dropped by an undergrad dance at Rice and we were all puzzled by why the young ladies were so short compared to the ones we would see on a Saturday night in Chicago or Dallas or wherever. We kicked this around for quite awhile — Surely, girls didn’t keep growing in height into their 20s? Why would Rice coeds be particularly short?

Finally, I figured out the answer: because of Rice’s male surplus, the coeds didn’t bother putting on uncomfortable high heels, even for a Saturday night dance. They just wore sneakers to a dance. In contrast, all us alums were used to post-Rice environments where women needed to put in more effort to look attractive and interested in men: e.g., by wearing high heels when going dancing.

That raises a broader issue: the conventional wisdom is that all semi-elite institutions like Rice U. must become (at least) 50% female so that women don’t lack “power.” But when women undergrads were a minority at Rice they had so much Scarcity Power that they didn’t need the discomfort of High Heel Power.

 
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  1. “Half of Americans Don’t Want Their Sons Playing Football, Poll Shows ”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-10/bloomberg-politics-poll-half-of-americans-dont-want-their-sons-playing-football

    ” Women and elites in particular want to keep their boys off the gridiron. ”

  2. How about boots?

    They are made for walking.

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ” Half of Americans Don’t Want Their Sons Playing Football, Poll Shows
    Dec 10, 2014 7:00 AM EST
    Women and elites in particular want to keep their boys off the gridiron.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-10/bloomberg-politics-poll-half-of-americans-dont-want-their-sons-playing-football

    Television ratings are up and merchandise sales are booming, but longer-term trends don’t look as rosy for football. According to a new Bloomberg Politics poll, 50 percent of Americans say they wouldn’t want their son to play the sport and only 17 percent believe it’ll grow in popularity in the next 20 years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Keep an eye on elite prep schools as weathervanes. The small school (only 200 boys from 9 to 12) where my son got a scholarship had gone from 8 man football to standard 11 man in the 1990s but has been having trouble in recent years fielding a big enough team to continue to play 11 man. And that's in California, which has always been a big football state.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  4. @Anonymous
    " Half of Americans Don't Want Their Sons Playing Football, Poll Shows
    Dec 10, 2014 7:00 AM EST
    Women and elites in particular want to keep their boys off the gridiron."

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2014-12-10/bloomberg-politics-poll-half-of-americans-dont-want-their-sons-playing-football

    Television ratings are up and merchandise sales are booming, but longer-term trends don’t look as rosy for football. According to a new Bloomberg Politics poll, 50 percent of Americans say they wouldn't want their son to play the sport and only 17 percent believe it’ll grow in popularity in the next 20 years.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Keep an eye on elite prep schools as weathervanes. The small school (only 200 boys from 9 to 12) where my son got a scholarship had gone from 8 man football to standard 11 man in the 1990s but has been having trouble in recent years fielding a big enough team to continue to play 11 man. And that’s in California, which has always been a big football state.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    Small, rigorous high schools will always have trouble finding enough athletes for a football program, especially if they're co-ed.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  5. All French women when they were girls turned to a mirror and practiced accentuating their chute de rein. One cannot expect the effect of heels to exactly translate au sol des Etats Unis. That is not to discourage the ladies from trying.

  6. Even when Snooki has high heels on, she is still shorter than most Western men. Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile who was adopted by an Italian couple.

    Those Amerindian genes of her really limited her height growth. Even with high heels on Woody Allen still towers over her, lol.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile "

    Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting.

    Replies: @HA

  7. Been some time since I last heard the expression, but are they still called CFM heels? As in Come F Me.

  8. Half of Americans Don’t Want Their Sons Playing Football, Poll Shows

    I doubt that this applies to lower and working class blacks. Throughout Florida, Pop Warner and high school football is very big among blacks.

  9. Are you sure that it was the sex ratio that allowed the girls to wear sneakers, and not that girl nerds are just as clueless as boy nerds? What about girl nerds at broader schools? Or how about CMU, which specializes in both computers and theater?

  10. I just saw Steve’s clickbait headline. I don’t need to read any further. Yes, high heels do have power over men. Case emphatically closed.

  11. A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man’s eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Karen


    "A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man’s eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment."
     
    Karen, that's not it.
    , @David R. Merridale
    @Karen

    There is that, but the main affect is on the woman's posture. Raising the heel but not the toes synchopates the whole stance: knees jut forward, butt juts backwards, breasts jut forward. Everything just a bit sexier.

    The behavioural change in men is less increased respect than increased attentiveness, arising from a sub- or semiconscious feeling that maybe he can get some. Given the old slang phrase "f*ck-me shoes" (mostly used by girls in my experience), that might sometimes be true.

    If the heels are part of a conservative office get-up, then, yeah, it might be respect, as the ensemble would signal higher status in the hierarchy. That's not really connected to biological/physical effects on posture, but height comes into it of course.

  12. Is there anything worse in life than being given the high hat by the well-heeled? Regardless, as a former social-psychology experimenter, back in the day, I would note some potential flaws in the experimental design, as described by the A.P.– e.g., the young women’s presumably realizing the nature and purpose of the study, and thus acting differently in different heel sizes, based on their own expectations or desires.

  13. Such was the allure that a person with status or wealth became referred to as “well-heeled.” …

    I’d need a cite before repeating that one. I’d assumed it meant that poor people were more likely to be “run down at the heel,” i.e., in need of a cobbler, while rich people were less. With heels being emblematic of clothing here because they get the most wear. I think my assumption makes more sense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Svigor

    Svigor - that sounds more like it. 'Down at heel' has meant 'shabbily dressed' (with implications of poverty) in the UK for a century or more. 'Well-heeled' simply meant that a male could afford to keep his shoes either new or in good repair (with implications of wealth). Nothing to do with high heels.

  14. @Karen
    A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man's eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @David R. Merridale

    “A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man’s eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment.”

    Karen, that’s not it.

  15. @Jefferson
    Even when Snooki has high heels on, she is still shorter than most Western men. Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile who was adopted by an Italian couple.

    Those Amerindian genes of her really limited her height growth. Even with high heels on Woody Allen still towers over her, lol.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile ”

    Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Steve Sailer

    "Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting."

    I gather you haven't bothered to read any of Jefferson's racial-origin theorizing. If so, lucky for you, but had you done so, you would have regretfully realized not to take any of it seriously.


    According to results from an autosomal DNA test to determine geographic ancestry... it was revealed that although Polizzi was born in Chile and believed she was "some sort of Spanish", she is in fact a mixture of Romani from northwestern Croatia (i.e. Gypsies originally from Northern India), Romani from Macedonia, Andalusian (I.e. southern Spaniards), Slovak, and Russian...Polizzi matched as having recent common ancestry with people who identify as South Asian (i.e. from the Indian subcontinent, correlating to her Romani ancestry), Iberian American (i.e. correlating to her Hispanic/mestizo ancestry), Jewish (likely correlating to her ethnic Russian or ethnic Slovak admixture, which is also found among Ashkenazi Jews), Middle Eastern (also likely correlating to her Romani ancestry via Middle Easterners who share that ancestry), and East Asian (which likely comes from the Native American ancestry).
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snooki
  16. Shoes are also a piece of fashion that is forgiving of a shift in body weight. A woman could gain or lose 15 lbs and still fit in her whole collection of manolos. That was a theory of a shoe-collecting former girlfriend of mine, anyway.

  17. High heels accentuate the length of the woman’s leg, making it look exaggeratedly long.

    For some reason, disproportionately long legs on women are attractive.

    Men tend to have longer torsos compared to their legs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @jjbees

    Long legs are a sign of female sexual maturity/fertility. Babies have short legs in relation to their body.

    Everything that we regard as "sexy" are really clues that the female is fertile so that we should mate with her and propagate the species. Female dress and cosmetics are all about tricking men by making themselves appear more fertile than they really are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  18. A well-constructed high-heel contorts a woman’s foot into the same arch it makes when she orgasms.

  19. Long ago Camille Paglia recognized that high heels were a woman’s weapon in fraternizing with the enemy. Here’s her latest on heels: http://designandviolence.moma.org/the-stiletto-heel/

  20. “….saying they reinforce a misogynist stereotype: women as sex objects to be ogled by men…”

    Went a couple of months back to the 21st birthday celebration of a friend’s son. The young middle-class men were dressed casually, the young middle-class women hardly dressed at all.

  21. A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SFG

    Yup. Instant T&A.

    , @whorefinder
    @SFG


    A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.
     
    You beat me to it. This has long been noticed by those who seek an Occam's razor explanation for high heels---they stick women's butt's and breasts out, accentuating the ideal hourglass figure that all men find attractive (because it is most fertile). Heels also make a woman's legs look skinnier and her torso slimmer as a secondary characteristic (again, a secondary sign of fertility).

    In short, heels make a woman look more sexually fertile. They are basically "hacks" women have discovered throughout history to fool men into desiring them more than they normally would. Hence why a prostitute in Ancient Rome would want to wear them---gin up more business--while the normal women there wouldn't---women in Ancient Rome were supposed to be chaste and modest, at least publicly.

    It's pretty funny to think women discovered this hack so long ago.
  22. @SFG
    A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder

    Yup. Instant T&A.

  23. @Svigor

    Such was the allure that a person with status or wealth became referred to as “well-heeled.” …
     
    I'd need a cite before repeating that one. I'd assumed it meant that poor people were more likely to be "run down at the heel," i.e., in need of a cobbler, while rich people were less. With heels being emblematic of clothing here because they get the most wear. I think my assumption makes more sense.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    Svigor – that sounds more like it. ‘Down at heel’ has meant ‘shabbily dressed’ (with implications of poverty) in the UK for a century or more. ‘Well-heeled’ simply meant that a male could afford to keep his shoes either new or in good repair (with implications of wealth). Nothing to do with high heels.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    NAWomen in STEM are not overly feminine. Wearing something sexy would never cross her mind. Why? She’s got her beta-male husband, her 60-hr/week job which she thinks is important and where she finds her self worth, etc.

    Smart and feminine women go into business. They dress sexy and have many more extramarital affairs.

    Frumpy dumpy or whore.

  25. It’s funny that the post-’68er, New Left type women have decided to dress in deliberately unflattering styles while the ex-East Bloc women have not. Germany’s far-Left party, for example, has Sahra Wagenknecht, whose style is closer to Ava Gardner or Lauren Bacall than Lena Dunham or Janeane Garofalo. Here’s Sahra Wagenknecht on a German chat show:

    She was born and raised in East Germany and did her PhD on Marx’s reading of Hegel, so yeah, she’s Old Left.

  26. Medically, high heels can cause back pain and increase the risk of ankle injuries. Prolonged heel wearing can even permanently shorten calf tendons.

    And in social terms, women’s rights advocates have objected to high heels, saying they reinforce a misogynist stereotype: women as sex objects to be ogled by men. ….

    It’s the same as foot-binding in China. Both actually make women less attractive. Have you ever seen the feet of a woman who wears high heels all the time? Ugh! Not sexy!! However…

    It’s not about ogling, it’s about vulnerability. Make of it what you will, but when women are vulnerable or helpless, men are more interested in them. I think this makes perfect sense. Chivalry is basically nothing when picking a glove up off the sidewalk is chivalrous. So when women wear high heels, it lets men be masculine without effort. Like all traditional women’s clothing, high heels signal the fact that women desperately want men and want their receptiveness to be noticed.

    • Replies: @AnonNJ
    @Chrisnonymous

    "It’s not about ogling, it’s about vulnerability. Make of it what you will, but when women are vulnerable or helpless, men are more interested in them."

    Yes, and this is also what's at play in the video games and movies that depict women as relatively helpless characters who need to be rescued by a male protagonist. It appeals to the chivalry in men, which is why video games and movies have it, and that drives feminists nuts. It's part of what the recent #GamerGate issue is all about.

  27. Before puberty boys and girls are only different in having different genitalia (sex organs). During puberty several other differences between the sexes start to emerge, including body size, shape, composition and function development in several body systems and structure – we refer to the noticeable differences as secondary sex characteristics.

    A major secondary sex characteristic is the lengthening and thinning of women’s legs. High heels exaggerate this sex characteristic attracting men’s attention. Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging. Men would wear clothing that make them more sexy to the opposite sex and women will too.

    • Replies: @Ola
    @munch

    That isn't true. It is easy to see that women have shorter legs and longer torsos than men relative to their heights - just like tall men generally have proportionally longer legs than short men.

    A wide pelvis and a narrow waist might sometimes create an illusion of long legs, but in reality women have stumpy legs.

    Replies: @munch

    , @Anonymous
    @munch


    Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging.
     
    I have a secret article of clothing that makes my shoulders and chest look wider although it doesn't give me humongous biceps or a 6-pack, it does cloak my potbelly and slender arms, at the same time. I call it a jacket.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

  28. @Steve

    A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.

    This is only true at first. Just as high heels can shorten calf tendons, they can elongate hip flexors. The body will slowly adapt to recover its center if balance. The same is true for men going between dress shoes and flip-flops or runners between running shoes and barefoot.

    Here in Kyoto where lots of women where high heels, you can see plenty who walk with their hips forward and shoulders back. It is an alternative way of balancing for women with low muscle tone.

    The real reason for attractiveness of high heels, I explained above.

  29. ““Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile ”

    Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting.”

    Why are they pretty interesting ?

  30. I remember seeing on TV where cocktail waitresses that had been working 30+ years were experiencing health issues due to wearing high heels. And all that just to make their rotunda look a tad more like Kim K’s. I’m surprised Slate hasn’t written an article about how those waitresses have to keep their job by wearing high heels and are not justly compensated for medical costs that happen down the line. Those casinos knew that shit would happen. Shame on them.

  31. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    "Snooki is a Mapuche Amerindian from Chile "

    Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting.

    Replies: @HA

    “Really? Mapuches are pretty interesting.”

    I gather you haven’t bothered to read any of Jefferson’s racial-origin theorizing. If so, lucky for you, but had you done so, you would have regretfully realized not to take any of it seriously.

    According to results from an autosomal DNA test to determine geographic ancestry… it was revealed that although Polizzi was born in Chile and believed she was “some sort of Spanish”, she is in fact a mixture of Romani from northwestern Croatia (i.e. Gypsies originally from Northern India), Romani from Macedonia, Andalusian (I.e. southern Spaniards), Slovak, and Russian…Polizzi matched as having recent common ancestry with people who identify as South Asian (i.e. from the Indian subcontinent, correlating to her Romani ancestry), Iberian American (i.e. correlating to her Hispanic/mestizo ancestry), Jewish (likely correlating to her ethnic Russian or ethnic Slovak admixture, which is also found among Ashkenazi Jews), Middle Eastern (also likely correlating to her Romani ancestry via Middle Easterners who share that ancestry), and East Asian (which likely comes from the Native American ancestry).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snooki

  32. I was turned off heels for good back in the ’70s when a self-defense expert on a talk show explained how they could be used as a weapon to the instep. Ouch! Hurts to this day.

    Then there’s nails… another weapon. Women must paint them for each other, because I’ve never heard a man say anything complimentary, to anyone, about a woman’s fingers.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Reg Cæsar

    I do it all the time. One of my favorite things about life itself is seeing women with painted nails. If they are especially sexy and attractive looking I will compliment them on it. They love this by the way.

    I also find high heels very attractive. I am only attracted to the glamorous look. Frumpy, plain, and natural is a big turn off. I have no idea why so many guys prefer plain women, perhaps they are intimidated by female sexiness.

    I also wonder if American men would react the same way as Frenchmen to this study. It seems the French culture has more of an appreciation for female sexiness while today's Americans are all about comfort and frumpy women

  33. Half of Americans Don’t Want Their Sons Playing Football, Poll Shows.

    So?

    I’m sure more than half of Romans didn’t want their sons to be gladiators, either.

  34. Aside from femininity or attractiveness, I am personally less threatened by a woman that peacock’s her femininity — it says that they wish to be a woman rather than having any agenda about busting stereotypes and correcting those who stereotype her.

  35. @jjbees
    High heels accentuate the length of the woman's leg, making it look exaggeratedly long.

    For some reason, disproportionately long legs on women are attractive.

    Men tend to have longer torsos compared to their legs.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Long legs are a sign of female sexual maturity/fertility. Babies have short legs in relation to their body.

    Everything that we regard as “sexy” are really clues that the female is fertile so that we should mate with her and propagate the species. Female dress and cosmetics are all about tricking men by making themselves appear more fertile than they really are.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    Like I said, a lot of guys don't understand the full impact of high heels on them. Leg length is part of it, but there are other effects. A big one is boosting T&A.

    Replies: @RickyVaughn

  36. @Jack D
    @jjbees

    Long legs are a sign of female sexual maturity/fertility. Babies have short legs in relation to their body.

    Everything that we regard as "sexy" are really clues that the female is fertile so that we should mate with her and propagate the species. Female dress and cosmetics are all about tricking men by making themselves appear more fertile than they really are.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Like I said, a lot of guys don’t understand the full impact of high heels on them. Leg length is part of it, but there are other effects. A big one is boosting T&A.

    • Replies: @RickyVaughn
    @Steve Sailer

    One effect not yet mentioned is that when women are ovulating, they subconsciously stick their ass out and arch their back in a pose that men find sexy. Heels force the women into this sexy pose.

    Women also tend to have red, rosy cheeks when they are ovulating, which explains why women use blush.

  37. Not about vulnerability. Do these Russian girls running a 400 meter sprint in high heels look vulnerable?

    • Replies: @munch
    @munch

    When a co worker who really was not going to get the hottest girls saw a HBD 9 in high heels, he said under his breath "walk all over me in those." I don't think he was thinking of her powerlessness. Heels increase a women's power over men.

  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    in response to Anonymous at comment 10 – at schools with a high ratio of males to females, most girls attract more attention than they are comfortable handling. This can be decreased by forming relationships (i.e. pairing off clearly means “off the market”) and blending in with the guys by not wearing makeup, wearing nerdy clothing, etc.

  39. @munch
    Before puberty boys and girls are only different in having different genitalia (sex organs). During puberty several other differences between the sexes start to emerge, including body size, shape, composition and function development in several body systems and structure - we refer to the noticeable differences as secondary sex characteristics.

    A major secondary sex characteristic is the lengthening and thinning of women's legs. High heels exaggerate this sex characteristic attracting men's attention. Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging. Men would wear clothing that make them more sexy to the opposite sex and women will too.

    Replies: @Ola, @Anonymous

    That isn’t true. It is easy to see that women have shorter legs and longer torsos than men relative to their heights – just like tall men generally have proportionally longer legs than short men.

    A wide pelvis and a narrow waist might sometimes create an illusion of long legs, but in reality women have stumpy legs.

    • Replies: @munch
    @Ola

    Women have stumpy legs. But pre-pubescent women have even stumpier legs, hence elongated legs are a sign of sexual maturity (desired by all men other than pederasts) and emphasizing this secondary sex characteristic makes them more desirable.

    There are not that many things that a woman can do to make themselves hotter. Reduce their weight (difficult and time consuming), tone up at the gym (same problem and less return on investment) , dress better (requires a sense of style) wear heels - bingo.

    I mean do you think there is something other than the sex drive behind the power of high heels?

    Replies: @Ola

  40. A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man’s eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment.

    No, a woman wearing high heels will have her pudenda raised to a height closer to that of a man’s member. All she has to do is turn around, bend over at the hips and BINGO!

  41. @SFG
    A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder

    A friend of mine back in high school who was wearing high heels for the first time (it was a hippy crowd) pointed out that they make you stick your butt out and your breasts forward. Strikes me as a pretty credible explanation.

    You beat me to it. This has long been noticed by those who seek an Occam’s razor explanation for high heels—they stick women’s butt’s and breasts out, accentuating the ideal hourglass figure that all men find attractive (because it is most fertile). Heels also make a woman’s legs look skinnier and her torso slimmer as a secondary characteristic (again, a secondary sign of fertility).

    In short, heels make a woman look more sexually fertile. They are basically “hacks” women have discovered throughout history to fool men into desiring them more than they normally would. Hence why a prostitute in Ancient Rome would want to wear them—gin up more business–while the normal women there wouldn’t—women in Ancient Rome were supposed to be chaste and modest, at least publicly.

    It’s pretty funny to think women discovered this hack so long ago.

  42. “One situation involved a woman asking passers-by: “Excuse me, sir. We are currently conducting a survey on gender equality. Would you agree to answer our questionnaire?” Flat heels got a 46.7% answer rate, medium heels a 63% rate and the highest heels a whopping 83% success rate from the men.”

    This seems like poor test design. If someone dressed like a SJW on the street asked me to answer a questionaire about feminism, I would assume they were giving me push-poll propaganda and keep walking. If they were dressed like a professional person, I might assume they were an actual pollster and answer their questions if I had time (which might be about 60% of the time I am out and about on the street). If they were dressed like a hooker, I would definitely stay and see what the pitch was as long as the neighborhood was ok.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Ezra

    "This seems like poor test design."

    Your reasons make perfect sense, so for once we have a social psychology test design that actually elicits the right answers.

    , @Dahlia
    @Ezra

    Steve ain't kidding around on this, lololollol!

  43. @munch
    Not about vulnerability. Do these Russian girls running a 400 meter sprint in high heels look vulnerable?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9wdBHSYQkE

    Replies: @munch

    When a co worker who really was not going to get the hottest girls saw a HBD 9 in high heels, he said under his breath “walk all over me in those.” I don’t think he was thinking of her powerlessness. Heels increase a women’s power over men.

  44. @Ezra
    "One situation involved a woman asking passers-by: “Excuse me, sir. We are currently conducting a survey on gender equality. Would you agree to answer our questionnaire?” Flat heels got a 46.7% answer rate, medium heels a 63% rate and the highest heels a whopping 83% success rate from the men."

    This seems like poor test design. If someone dressed like a SJW on the street asked me to answer a questionaire about feminism, I would assume they were giving me push-poll propaganda and keep walking. If they were dressed like a professional person, I might assume they were an actual pollster and answer their questions if I had time (which might be about 60% of the time I am out and about on the street). If they were dressed like a hooker, I would definitely stay and see what the pitch was as long as the neighborhood was ok.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dahlia

    “This seems like poor test design.”

    Your reasons make perfect sense, so for once we have a social psychology test design that actually elicits the right answers.

  45. The ultimate male fantasy, the James Bond one, is to take the gal in the high-heels and sexy dress home and awake to find her barefoot and wearing his favorite lumberjack shirt while she cooks breakfast.

  46. @Ola
    @munch

    That isn't true. It is easy to see that women have shorter legs and longer torsos than men relative to their heights - just like tall men generally have proportionally longer legs than short men.

    A wide pelvis and a narrow waist might sometimes create an illusion of long legs, but in reality women have stumpy legs.

    Replies: @munch

    Women have stumpy legs. But pre-pubescent women have even stumpier legs, hence elongated legs are a sign of sexual maturity (desired by all men other than pederasts) and emphasizing this secondary sex characteristic makes them more desirable.

    There are not that many things that a woman can do to make themselves hotter. Reduce their weight (difficult and time consuming), tone up at the gym (same problem and less return on investment) , dress better (requires a sense of style) wear heels – bingo.

    I mean do you think there is something other than the sex drive behind the power of high heels?

    • Replies: @Ola
    @munch


    I mean do you think there is something other than the sex drive behind the power of high heels?
     
    No, I think Steve said it best: "Instant T&A" It's incredibly effective, really. Like you say, lots of return on very little investment.

    It is also true that too stumpy legs evoke images of toddlers and thus are decidedly unsexy.
  47. I don’t think that high heels have that much of an effect on me – not compared to say, flip-flops or going barefoot – especially with nicely painted toenails – I supposed high-heeled sandals can be okay…

    I better shut up now.

  48. @Ezra
    "One situation involved a woman asking passers-by: “Excuse me, sir. We are currently conducting a survey on gender equality. Would you agree to answer our questionnaire?” Flat heels got a 46.7% answer rate, medium heels a 63% rate and the highest heels a whopping 83% success rate from the men."

    This seems like poor test design. If someone dressed like a SJW on the street asked me to answer a questionaire about feminism, I would assume they were giving me push-poll propaganda and keep walking. If they were dressed like a professional person, I might assume they were an actual pollster and answer their questions if I had time (which might be about 60% of the time I am out and about on the street). If they were dressed like a hooker, I would definitely stay and see what the pitch was as long as the neighborhood was ok.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dahlia

    Steve ain’t kidding around on this, lololollol!

  49. Steve,

    High school football is still going strong in Southern states.

    Dixie –> real America.

    Coastal California and Northeastern states — > less and less American, in more ways than one.

    Soccer as alternative to football? Soccer is an excellent game for women, girls, small boys, and foreigners.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @David Davenport

    Football is huge in California, always has been.

  50. @David Davenport
    Steve,

    High school football is still going strong in Southern states.

    Dixie --> real America.

    Coastal California and Northeastern states -- > less and less American, in more ways than one.

    Soccer as alternative to football? Soccer is an excellent game for women, girls, small boys, and foreigners.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Football is huge in California, always has been.

  51. @munch
    @Ola

    Women have stumpy legs. But pre-pubescent women have even stumpier legs, hence elongated legs are a sign of sexual maturity (desired by all men other than pederasts) and emphasizing this secondary sex characteristic makes them more desirable.

    There are not that many things that a woman can do to make themselves hotter. Reduce their weight (difficult and time consuming), tone up at the gym (same problem and less return on investment) , dress better (requires a sense of style) wear heels - bingo.

    I mean do you think there is something other than the sex drive behind the power of high heels?

    Replies: @Ola

    I mean do you think there is something other than the sex drive behind the power of high heels?

    No, I think Steve said it best: “Instant T&A” It’s incredibly effective, really. Like you say, lots of return on very little investment.

    It is also true that too stumpy legs evoke images of toddlers and thus are decidedly unsexy.

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of the posted theories seem reasonable. Who cares about the ‘why’ though. Attractive women’s attractive feet are always a turn-on. High heels in a more formal way. Bare feet or sandals, depending on the beauty of said limb are wonderful in another way. I’ve always paid more attention to a woman’s feet than to her hands.

    My own theory is that the increased height translates, in the male mind, into her reaching up to her man.

  53. Steve, here are Tennessee High School final rankings 2014

    Take a look at the football final high school top 20. See how many are “A1” or “A2” schools? “A1” and “A2” schools are private schools.

    Yes, I am an alumnus of Montgomery Bell Academy.

  54. Forget these “social x-rays” . Give me 200lbs of heavenly joy.

  55. Part of enhancing the perception of attractiveness, just like makeup. Daily Mail has had photo stories showing women with and without makeup. Big difference in appearance. I wonder how many men out there have gotten married to women without ever having a clear idea of what they really looked like?

  56. Dahlia says:

    Okay, I know I’m risking a banning challenging the high heel orthodoxy here, but what about the stiltedness of the walk?
    Since I was a little girl, that stiltedness caused by high heels has always made the woman look cold, steely, uninviting, calculating, reptilian… okay you get my drift, lol! My own style is ballet/girlie/ethereal, fwiw, think Edwardian or flapper. Feminine, but inviting. A little heel is nice up until the walk becomes stilted. And it doesn’t take much.

  57. ballet/girlie/ethereal

    Some of us prefer ’em a little bit trashy.

    ///////

    I think there’s a least one typo in the TN High School Football Rankings.
    Christ Presbyterian Academy should by an “A3” instead of “3A.”

    Also note that Monkey Bell and other private high schools can play public Tennessee high schools during regular season, but are not allowed into the public high school playoffs.

  58. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Okay, I know I’m risking a banning challenging the high heel orthodoxy here, but what about the stiltedness of the walk?”

    I’m, ah, not sure I’ve ever much noticed because I am usually unable to avoid concentrating on the undulations of the hips and associated body parts that have been exaggerated by the high heels during walking.

    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
    @anonymous

    I find the stiltiness of the walk pretty sexy, actually. I don't have a theory.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Keep an eye on elite prep schools as weathervanes. The small school (only 200 boys from 9 to 12) where my son got a scholarship had gone from 8 man football to standard 11 man in the 1990s but has been having trouble in recent years fielding a big enough team to continue to play 11 man. And that's in California, which has always been a big football state.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Small, rigorous high schools will always have trouble finding enough athletes for a football program, especially if they’re co-ed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Brutusale

    The little school was a powerhouse in its conference in the early 2000s. All I'm saying is keep an eye on small elite prep schools to see if high school football really is in trouble or not. They're the leading indicator. If they can continue to field teams to play 11 man football, then high school football is in fine shape. But maybe they can't.

    High school football is huge in California, but it's not as much a part of the local identity as in Texas.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @munch
    Before puberty boys and girls are only different in having different genitalia (sex organs). During puberty several other differences between the sexes start to emerge, including body size, shape, composition and function development in several body systems and structure - we refer to the noticeable differences as secondary sex characteristics.

    A major secondary sex characteristic is the lengthening and thinning of women's legs. High heels exaggerate this sex characteristic attracting men's attention. Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging. Men would wear clothing that make them more sexy to the opposite sex and women will too.

    Replies: @Ola, @Anonymous

    Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging.

    I have a secret article of clothing that makes my shoulders and chest look wider although it doesn’t give me humongous biceps or a 6-pack, it does cloak my potbelly and slender arms, at the same time. I call it a jacket.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Right, the sports coat / suit coat. It started out as an officer's tunic to make officer look more manly. I'm wearing one right now all alone in my office, in part because it's also excellent for keeping the part of me that is most sensitive to cold, my shoulders, warm without overheating me in general the way a sweater does.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Right, the sports coat / suit coat. It started out as an officer's tunic to make officer look more manly. I'm wearing one right now all alone in my office, in part because it's also excellent for keeping the part of me that is most sensitive to cold, my shoulders, warm without overheating me in general the way a sweater does.

  61. @Karen
    A woman in high heels will be looking directly at man's eyes, on the same level as other men. Thus, the more respectful treatment.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @David R. Merridale

    There is that, but the main affect is on the woman’s posture. Raising the heel but not the toes synchopates the whole stance: knees jut forward, butt juts backwards, breasts jut forward. Everything just a bit sexier.

    The behavioural change in men is less increased respect than increased attentiveness, arising from a sub- or semiconscious feeling that maybe he can get some. Given the old slang phrase “f*ck-me shoes” (mostly used by girls in my experience), that might sometimes be true.

    If the heels are part of a conservative office get-up, then, yeah, it might be respect, as the ensemble would signal higher status in the hierarchy. That’s not really connected to biological/physical effects on posture, but height comes into it of course.

  62. @anonymous
    "Okay, I know I’m risking a banning challenging the high heel orthodoxy here, but what about the stiltedness of the walk?"

    I'm, ah, not sure I've ever much noticed because I am usually unable to avoid concentrating on the undulations of the hips and associated body parts that have been exaggerated by the high heels during walking.

    Replies: @David R. Merridale

    I find the stiltiness of the walk pretty sexy, actually. I don’t have a theory.

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    Like I said, a lot of guys don't understand the full impact of high heels on them. Leg length is part of it, but there are other effects. A big one is boosting T&A.

    Replies: @RickyVaughn

    One effect not yet mentioned is that when women are ovulating, they subconsciously stick their ass out and arch their back in a pose that men find sexy. Heels force the women into this sexy pose.

    Women also tend to have red, rosy cheeks when they are ovulating, which explains why women use blush.

  64. Then there’s nails… another weapon. Women must paint them for each other, because I’ve never heard a man say anything complimentary, to anyone, about a woman’s fingers.

    I never cared until dark and black nails came into vogue. It looks Godawful, especially on lighter-skinned women.

    Not about vulnerability. Do these Russian girls running a 400 meter sprint in high heels look vulnerable?

    We could stuff Arnold into heels, but I’m not sure that would tell us much.

    in reality women have stumpy legs.

    Especially east Asian women.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Svigor

    Especially east Asian women.

    Yes, I've noticed that. Thick ankles and flat asses too. In my mid-30s, I dated a somewhat Americanized woman from Taiwan and and from one Vietnam. They were both feminine with long dark hair, pretty faces, and pleasant personalities, but their legs and asses were not appealing. Oddly, they both seemed to be sort of focused on getting a wealthy or potentially wealthy White American; and they both did.

  65. I don’t buy it. Smaller women are much more physically charming. Sexual dimorphism is a real thing in humans so guys being turned on when women are closer to their own size seems weird to me. I’m only attracted to much smaller, shorter women and heels do nothing for me.

  66. There is that, but the main affect is on the woman’s posture. Raising the heel but not the toes synchopates the whole stance: knees jut forward, butt juts backwards, breasts jut forward. Everything just a bit sexier.

    Reminds me of an episode of Beavis & Butthead. The boys were watching a video from a hair band featuring the silhouette of a woman dancing. She struck a pose much like you describe, and Beavis asked “what’s wrong with her back?” Butthead replies, “Beavis, you dumbass. When a chick’s got her back all bent out of shape like that, it means she’s hot.”

  67. @Svigor

    Then there’s nails… another weapon. Women must paint them for each other, because I’ve never heard a man say anything complimentary, to anyone, about a woman’s fingers.
     
    I never cared until dark and black nails came into vogue. It looks Godawful, especially on lighter-skinned women.

    Not about vulnerability. Do these Russian girls running a 400 meter sprint in high heels look vulnerable?
     
    We could stuff Arnold into heels, but I'm not sure that would tell us much.

    in reality women have stumpy legs.
     
    Especially east Asian women.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    Especially east Asian women.

    Yes, I’ve noticed that. Thick ankles and flat asses too. In my mid-30s, I dated a somewhat Americanized woman from Taiwan and and from one Vietnam. They were both feminine with long dark hair, pretty faces, and pleasant personalities, but their legs and asses were not appealing. Oddly, they both seemed to be sort of focused on getting a wealthy or potentially wealthy White American; and they both did.

  68. Us guys who enjoy the look of a woman’s calves also think heels accentuate them, too.

  69. @Reg Cæsar
    I was turned off heels for good back in the '70s when a self-defense expert on a talk show explained how they could be used as a weapon to the instep. Ouch! Hurts to this day.

    Then there's nails… another weapon. Women must paint them for each other, because I've never heard a man say anything complimentary, to anyone, about a woman's fingers.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I do it all the time. One of my favorite things about life itself is seeing women with painted nails. If they are especially sexy and attractive looking I will compliment them on it. They love this by the way.

    I also find high heels very attractive. I am only attracted to the glamorous look. Frumpy, plain, and natural is a big turn off. I have no idea why so many guys prefer plain women, perhaps they are intimidated by female sexiness.

    I also wonder if American men would react the same way as Frenchmen to this study. It seems the French culture has more of an appreciation for female sexiness while today’s Americans are all about comfort and frumpy women

  70. @Chrisnonymous
    Medically, high heels can cause back pain and increase the risk of ankle injuries. Prolonged heel wearing can even permanently shorten calf tendons.

    And in social terms, women’s rights advocates have objected to high heels, saying they reinforce a misogynist stereotype: women as sex objects to be ogled by men. ….


    It's the same as foot-binding in China. Both actually make women less attractive. Have you ever seen the feet of a woman who wears high heels all the time? Ugh! Not sexy!! However...

    It's not about ogling, it's about vulnerability. Make of it what you will, but when women are vulnerable or helpless, men are more interested in them. I think this makes perfect sense. Chivalry is basically nothing when picking a glove up off the sidewalk is chivalrous. So when women wear high heels, it lets men be masculine without effort. Like all traditional women's clothing, high heels signal the fact that women desperately want men and want their receptiveness to be noticed.

    Replies: @AnonNJ

    “It’s not about ogling, it’s about vulnerability. Make of it what you will, but when women are vulnerable or helpless, men are more interested in them.”

    Yes, and this is also what’s at play in the video games and movies that depict women as relatively helpless characters who need to be rescued by a male protagonist. It appeals to the chivalry in men, which is why video games and movies have it, and that drives feminists nuts. It’s part of what the recent #GamerGate issue is all about.

  71. David Davenport: Del La Salle High School. 151-game winning streak. There’s another decade of going undefeated in the regular season before the streak starts – they’d last lost a regular season game in about 1981.

  72. The best song about high heels.

    http://youtu.be/9qoivS9nbrc

    I once met a man with a sense of adventure
    He was dressed to thrill wherever he went
    He said “Let’s make love on a mountain top
    Under the stars on a big hard rock”

    I said “In these shoes?
    I don’t think so”

  73. @Anonymous
    @munch


    Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging.
     
    I have a secret article of clothing that makes my shoulders and chest look wider although it doesn't give me humongous biceps or a 6-pack, it does cloak my potbelly and slender arms, at the same time. I call it a jacket.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    Right, the sports coat / suit coat. It started out as an officer’s tunic to make officer look more manly. I’m wearing one right now all alone in my office, in part because it’s also excellent for keeping the part of me that is most sensitive to cold, my shoulders, warm without overheating me in general the way a sweater does.

  74. @Anonymous
    @munch


    Its like a guy could wear a shirt that made his chest big, his abs a 6 pack, his shoulders powerful, his biceps bulging.
     
    I have a secret article of clothing that makes my shoulders and chest look wider although it doesn't give me humongous biceps or a 6-pack, it does cloak my potbelly and slender arms, at the same time. I call it a jacket.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    Right, the sports coat / suit coat. It started out as an officer’s tunic to make officer look more manly. I’m wearing one right now all alone in my office, in part because it’s also excellent for keeping the part of me that is most sensitive to cold, my shoulders, warm without overheating me in general the way a sweater does.

  75. @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    Small, rigorous high schools will always have trouble finding enough athletes for a football program, especially if they're co-ed.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The little school was a powerhouse in its conference in the early 2000s. All I’m saying is keep an eye on small elite prep schools to see if high school football really is in trouble or not. They’re the leading indicator. If they can continue to field teams to play 11 man football, then high school football is in fine shape. But maybe they can’t.

    High school football is huge in California, but it’s not as much a part of the local identity as in Texas.

  76. But what about boots?!

    Old Gringo boots are really pretty, more comfortable, and they don’t carry that real estate agent vibe. They have heels so they should have similar effect 🙂

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