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Earlier this month I pointed out a New York Times article by Eliza Shapiro (who works the Intersectional Education beat) denouncing New York City’s public Beacon High School in Hell’s Kitchen near Times Square for segregation when its student body is only 47% white.

I’d guess that perhaps half its whites are Jewish. Not surprisingly, Ms. Shapiro’s efforts to stir up anti-white sentiment at Beacon have rebounded against Beacon’s Jews. From the New York Post:

Teacher tells students to boycott Beacon HS after white girl accused of racism
By Susan Edelman December 15, 2019

A black teacher at Manhattan’s Beacon High School told cheering students to boycott the elite campus Monday after an incident involving a white Jewish girl sparked complaints about a racist environment.

“What we’re asking of all students: Do not come to school that day to show solidarity for the support of not just students of color but all students at Beacon in providing a safe space,” said a teacher who identified himself as “Mr. Green” at Friday’s boisterous cafeteria gathering, which was videotaped.

“Until the demands are met, students are not to return to school,” the teacher — identified as science instructor Demetrius Green — exhorted the crowd of hundreds of teens.

Some Beacon students called for a sit-in instead, suggesting kids wear black and tape their faces.

But the teacher asked, “What is that going to do? Students before you, before I, have done the same thing, and nothing has happened.” …

Friday’s protest was set off by allegedly “racist remarks” that a black student claimed he overheard a white Jewish girl make in a confidential meeting Tuesday with two white Jewish guidance counselors.

The girl told The Post that she was only seeking support for her own college plan at the time. Disappointed that she was put on a waitlist at a top university, she and the counselors were reviewing Scattergrams, charts on admission data, showing that some students with less academic qualifications than hers were accepted, said the teen, whose name The Post is withholding. The counselors mentioned scholarship programs for minorities such as Posse and QuestBridge, she said.

“The context of my private conversation included my disapproval about the unfairness of students who were accepted to college without meeting the rigorous criteria that I and others worked so hard to achieve, because they might be athletes, afforded financial scholarships, and/or get seats based on affirmative action programs, as opposed to academic achievement as the first and only criteria,” the girl explained in a statement.

The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors, causing a commotion.

As word spread, the girl became the target of cyberbullying and threats, she said.

One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,” and “Im not gonna go to schools for black and brown people or ppl who are retarded.” It concludes, “…she’s definitely Messing with wrong group of ppl. She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.”

 
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  1. Our Chosen People masters sure are wishy-washy shifty folk.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    What you're seeing is extreme short term thinking or tunnel vision, which happens to be a widely observed characteristic of highly intelligent and high performing people, Jewish and otherwise. Chinese set themselves up for preventable disaster about as often. In history, there may have been no gentile victories over Jews, only a succession of unforced errors which an observant opponent could exploit.
  2. Here in 1971, the great Howlin’ Wolf discusses why it is that his people, black people, are “jealous-hearted” folks who hold each other back. He contrasts this with white people who work together.

    But it’s worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews. And it’s possible that the Wolf did not distinguish between the two. After all, the Chess people who did so much for his career were Jews – possibly “whites” in his eyes.

    • Replies: @Realist

    But it’s worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews.
     
    Particularly since most White people do not stick together...which is aiding and abetting our current the anti-White movement problem.
    , @Ed
    Marcus Garvey said something similar.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    My father got to see Wolf when he was a kid in 1959. He said only seeing the Who's first tour could touch that show.
    , @Desiderius
    Lol. Just because you're atomized doesn't mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don't line up with skin color. Religion literally means "reconnection." Might want to try it if you're feeling blue.
  3. OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    • LOL: Kronos, El Dato
    • Replies: @George
    "Look what they put under Tulsi."

    Is Gabbard too good looking to get women's support? She's the girl other girls hated in High School.

    "Disappointed that she was put on a waitlist at a top university, she and the counselors were reviewing Scattergrams, charts on admission data, showing that some students with less academic qualifications than hers were accepted"

    Charles Dickens's advice to American Jews from beyond the grave: Being the smartest Jew at Ohio State, result happiness. Being the dumbest Jew at Harvard, result misery.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/90487-annual-income-twenty-pounds-annual-expenditure-nineteen-six-result-happiness
    , @Barnard
    Cory Booker was a college football player at Stanford and he has been reduced to being called a loser by adult Harry Potter reading nerds. Is it any wonder why higher quality people don't want to bother running for public office.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul appear to be the most decent politicians in Washington but I've never seen politicians draw more ire from people punching to their own side. Rand Paul had his ribs broken by an irate neighbor. Ideologues are not well people.
    , @Desiderius
    They are legion - it's the only book they've read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven't conserved a damned thing
    , @Jack Henson
    My first act as High Archon of what comes out of the United States will be to burn every copy of Harry Potter I can lay hands on.
    , @Kronos
    They were smart enough to leave out Hillary. So they’re not THAT stupid. Nobody wants an Epstein necktie this Christmas.
  4. Hymie girl, this ain’t no idle threat;
    You gone burn like a charcoal briquette.
    We gonna destroy ya,
    But first we’ll enjoy ya.
    (What a hymie b**** called? A hymette?)

  5. You wonder if the next Bobbie Fiedler’s out there.

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.
     
    How?
    , @Abe

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

     

    That was the whole metonymy behind the Clinton campaign’s choice of Brooklyn as its HQ, that “they”- humanity degree-holding striver lackeys of GloboHomoBezos- would be guaranteed continued access to “good public schools” in fabulous coastal urban centers. “First we gentrify Manhattan, then we take Brooklyn”- all to the strains of a Leonard Cohen soundtrack to absolve their consciences, because people with good taste in music are inherently moral.

    See, under Hillary coastal mere deca-billionaires would have gotten to become hecto-billionaires, hecto-millionaire gangster progressive political dynasties would have become billionaire gangster political dynasties, and churnalist-type humanities degree striver lackies would have gotten MOAR! urban gentrification camouflaged as bringing the joys of diversity to the hideously white hinterlands.
  6. after an incident involving a white Jewish girl sparked complaints about a racist environment.

    I had to check the link to see if this was the Forward. No. I assume we’re told her ethnicity so we ‘please don’t clap’?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Altai, i had the same reaction to that "white Jewish girl" line.

    The rule is Jews misbehaving--whether actually or just relative to the narrative--are simply "whites". Harvey Weinstein is a dirty old "white man".

    So this "white Jewish girl" line immediately fired some neurons and told me that the article wasn't going to be completely narrative comliant, but have more "complexity". One guesses that the author had a bit of sympathy for the evil perp girl ... and sure enough--i just checked back--it's "Susan Edelman". Her description is Jewish girl, talking privately to Jewish counselors ... so that's special and protected.

    Good to see a reasonably straight take on one of these minoritarian hysterics. Readers of this article--with some intelligence and foresight will have a different take away then the usual.
  7. One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,”

    ‘Accused’? She basically said that is what she said. That’s the point of her disappointment.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    I think the question was the exact phraseology used.
    , @J.Ross
    Good that you spotted it but become conscious of the pettiness of progressive Orwellian language. This is painfully obvious with any given lyingpress statement about Trump, but they're doing it to this girl too. This is a Soviet practice. It certifies the impression of objective guilt in the mind of the low-information skim-reader. It's like the Simpsons bit:
    "Aha, he confesses!"
    "What do you mean, confess? He's admitting it."
    "Quiet, I need this."
    , @Bill Jones
    What's a nice Jewish girl do do?

    On the rare occasion you tell the truth, they treat you like a white girl?
    , @Trutherator
    In truth, minorities did not steal her spot. It was the parasites in charge stealing sports to give yo their more troublesome serfs, that they agitate against the ones who would cause them more trouble potentially.
  8. The London Evening Standard’s crime pages have reported on three anti-semitic incidents lately, two of assault (one on an Israeli rabbi) and abuse, one of abuse. In all three cases the alleged perps were black.

    OT – interesting to compare the Guardian’s US/UK begging letters

    US

    America faces an epic choice…
    … in the coming year, and the results will define the country for a generation. These are perilous times. Over the last three years, much of what the Guardian holds dear has been threatened – democracy, civility, truth. This US administration is establishing new norms of behaviour. Anger and cruelty disfigure public discourse and lying is commonplace. Truth is being chased away. But with your help we can continue to put it center stage. It will be defining year and we’re asking for your help as we prepare for 2020.

    Rampant disinformation, partisan news sources and social media’s tsunami of fake news is no basis on which to inform the American public in 2020. The need for a robust, independent press has never been greater, and with your help we can continue to provide fact-based reporting that offers public scrutiny and oversight. We are also committed to keeping our journalism open and accessible to everyone and with your help we can keep it that way.

    “America is at a tipping point, finely balanced between truth and lies, hope and hate, civility and nastiness. Many vital aspects of American public life are in play – the Supreme Court, abortion rights, climate policy, wealth inequality, Big Tech and much more. The stakes could hardly be higher. As that choice nears, the Guardian, as it has done for 200 years, and with your continued support, will continue to argue for the values we hold dear – facts, science, diversity, equality and fairness.” – US editor, John Mulholland

    On the occasion of its 100th birthday in 1921 the editor of the Guardian said, “Perhaps the chief virtue of a newspaper is its independence. It should have a soul of its own.” That is more true than ever. Freed from the influence of an owner or shareholders the Guardian’s robust independence is our unique driving force and guiding principle.

    UK

    Five years of Boris Johnson…
    … and Brexit on the way. With a new Conservative government poised for office, the Guardian’s independent, measured, authoritative reporting has never been so vital. These are turbulent, decade-defining times. Whatever lies ahead for us all, the Guardian will be with you – investigating, disentangling and interrogating. So our readers can make up their minds based on fact, not fiction.

    You have read xx articles in the last two months. More people, like you, are reading and supporting the Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before. And unlike many news organisations, we made the choice to keep our reporting open for all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay.

    The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart.

    Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions. Guardian journalism is free from commercial and political bias and not influenced by billionaire owners or shareholders. This means we can give a voice to those less heard, explore where others turn away, and rigorously challenge those in power.

    The Guardian is not a bad paper, I shall miss it, lots of good stuff there. But it hates me and mine, wants Brits to become a minority in what was their own land, and tells as many lies as any of them (like that only 12,000 Poles would choose to come to the UK). It’s particularly evil when it lies about patriotic Brits and Americans – Trump, Orban, Salvini and Farage come to mind. Its SOP is to attack anyone who cares about their own people – unless they are non-white or Jewish, in which case they are heroes.

    The ‘new norms of behaviour’ they fret about are the result of the social changes the Guardian championed. You can abuse their chosen hate figures as much as you like in their comments, just don’t attack their icons.

    I don’t imagine, say, the Murdoch press will be any better. But why should I pay people who hate me?

    • Agree: jim jones, Hegar, TWS
    • Disagree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    "The Guardian is not a bad paper"

    Yes, it is a bad paper. One of the worst.
  9. Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not. Your helping them evade messes they created to ensnare you will only embolden them in knowing that they can con and use you forever.

    And that they will do.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?
    , @AnotherDad

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not.
     
    Jews as a middle man minority have radically different interests than the nation's people, specifically the more balkanized the nation, the more penetrable, the easier it is to accumulate power and the less fear of an organized majority.

    But to a casual observer it does seem weird that Jews will not take their foot off the gas pedal. Say "Hey, we've hit the sweet spot, we are rich, powerful, in control and can not be criticized. Let's stop right here!"

    As i've pointed out before, no nation has ever treated a large middle man minority as fairly and generously as Anglo-Protestant America. And yet, we have Jewish commenters right here on Unz--people who otherwise appear to be intelligent--prattling on about Jewish "persecution" Meaning that some WASPs or Catholics somewhere, sometime did a little--feeble--ethnic solidarity stuff ... stuff Jews, of course, do all the time. (The Jews still have their Jewish country clubs, btw.)

    I think the reason is this stuff is not top level conscious logic but deeply woven into Jewish character and culture. For 1000+ years, Jews--Ashkenazi--lived amongst de-tribalizing European Christians, but continually rejected integration with them and in fact super-charged their religion and culture with anti-integration, anti-Christian, anti-majority practices and ideology. You get selection: the less hostile, more integrative types ... integrated and are my ancestors. The ones still Jewish after 1000+ are selected for tribalism and outgroup hostility.

    You do get some sane outliers--Stephen Miller, Mickey Kaus, Amy Wax types--who whatever their attachment to Judaism are capable of being rational about the "facts on the ground" right now. But these folks are not the norm.

    ~~

    It's interesting to speculate about what's going on in the better, alternative "no-Hitler" universe? Do Jews behave any better?

    I think they likely do. But i'd bet if we could peek in over there, the same minoritarion: "nation of immigrants", "Britain has always been diverse", "Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural", "That club was 'restricted'!", "diversity is our strength!" bullshit would still be spilling out of their mouths. Minoritarianism, majority hostility, is just in the blood. However, they wouldn't have the Holocaust club, or be able to call anyone who wants to keep their nation a "Nazi!".
    , @Jon

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you.
     
    This is why I support BDS and, similarly, why I support Trans women in sports. Let them get what they wanted, good and hard.
  10. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Here in 1971, the great Howlin' Wolf discusses why it is that his people, black people, are "jealous-hearted" folks who hold each other back. He contrasts this with white people who work together.

    But it's worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews. And it's possible that the Wolf did not distinguish between the two. After all, the Chess people who did so much for his career were Jews - possibly "whites" in his eyes.

    https://youtu.be/-7nBhAxqWmQ?t=472

    But it’s worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews.

    Particularly since most White people do not stick together…which is aiding and abetting our current the anti-White movement problem.

  11. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Data point 1: Black science teacher at Beacon leads racism protest:

    A black teacher at Manhattan’s Beacon High School … identified as science instructor Demetrius Green — exhorted the crowd of hundreds of teens … “Do not come to school that day to show solidarity.”

    Data point 2: Beacon needs more black science teachers:

    “Until the demands are met, students are not to return to school,” the teacher said…. Official Demands, including … ensuring that faculty hiring “mirrors the diversity” of NYC’s students.

    Data point 3: Beacon chem lab explosion burns minority kid over 30 percent of body:

    A Manhattan jury on Monday awarded nearly $60 million in damages to a former Beacon High School student who was badly burned by a teacher’s botched chemistry experiment

    The kid testified that his disfigured appearance has left him still a virgin at 21.

    https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/teacher-tells-students-to-boycott-beacon-hs-after-white-girl-accused-of-racism/

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/01/beacon-hs-student-burned-in-botched-chemistry-experiment-awarded-nearly-60m/

    This would be funnier if the Beacon science teacher defendant were black, but she seems to be a white or Hispanic woman. The experiment may have a diversity connection, however: It was an atempt to produce a multicolored rainbow flame by pouring methanol onto various chemical salts. An LGBT flame?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    The Post:

    The kid testified that his disfigured appearance has left him still a virgin at 21.
     
    That sounds pretty incelly. I fell bad for the kid, but that's a strange thing to focus on.

    More from the Post:

    Former pupil Alonzo Yanes was in 10th grade on the morning of Jan. 2, 2014, when his chemistry teacher, Anna Poole, opened a jug of methyl to conduct a “Rainbow Demonstration,” the plaintiff’s lawyer said.
     
    A jug of methyl- what?

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/what-is-the-rainbow-experiment-that-severely-burned-beacon-hs-student/

    In the case of the Beacon High School class that left student Alonzo Yanes severely burned, the teacher lined up dishes along a table, each containing a different mineral salt and a lit candle, students said. She began pouring on them, one at a time, an accelerant commonly used in the demonstration: methanol.
     
    Methanol is toxic on skin contact. Do not use.

    I feel bad for the teacher too, that should not have happened. Are there no instruction books on experiments or what?

    Reminds me of the old times when my teacher demonstrated the power of acetylene, projecting shards of porcelain into the classroom. Luckily there was a shield.
  12. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Here in 1971, the great Howlin' Wolf discusses why it is that his people, black people, are "jealous-hearted" folks who hold each other back. He contrasts this with white people who work together.

    But it's worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews. And it's possible that the Wolf did not distinguish between the two. After all, the Chess people who did so much for his career were Jews - possibly "whites" in his eyes.

    https://youtu.be/-7nBhAxqWmQ?t=472

    Marcus Garvey said something similar.

  13. When your tax payer funded public college prep school’s black science teacher calls for a walkout…

  14. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    “Look what they put under Tulsi.”

    Is Gabbard too good looking to get women’s support? She’s the girl other girls hated in High School.

    “Disappointed that she was put on a waitlist at a top university, she and the counselors were reviewing Scattergrams, charts on admission data, showing that some students with less academic qualifications than hers were accepted”

    Charles Dickens’s advice to American Jews from beyond the grave: Being the smartest Jew at Ohio State, result happiness. Being the dumbest Jew at Harvard, result misery.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/90487-annual-income-twenty-pounds-annual-expenditure-nineteen-six-result-happiness

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    But The Ohio State University is a- A PUBLIC SCHOOL!
  15. @YetAnotherAnon
    The London Evening Standard's crime pages have reported on three anti-semitic incidents lately, two of assault (one on an Israeli rabbi) and abuse, one of abuse. In all three cases the alleged perps were black.

    OT - interesting to compare the Guardian's US/UK begging letters

    US


    America faces an epic choice...
    … in the coming year, and the results will define the country for a generation. These are perilous times. Over the last three years, much of what the Guardian holds dear has been threatened – democracy, civility, truth. This US administration is establishing new norms of behaviour. Anger and cruelty disfigure public discourse and lying is commonplace. Truth is being chased away. But with your help we can continue to put it center stage. It will be defining year and we’re asking for your help as we prepare for 2020.

    Rampant disinformation, partisan news sources and social media's tsunami of fake news is no basis on which to inform the American public in 2020. The need for a robust, independent press has never been greater, and with your help we can continue to provide fact-based reporting that offers public scrutiny and oversight. We are also committed to keeping our journalism open and accessible to everyone and with your help we can keep it that way.

    "America is at a tipping point, finely balanced between truth and lies, hope and hate, civility and nastiness. Many vital aspects of American public life are in play – the Supreme Court, abortion rights, climate policy, wealth inequality, Big Tech and much more. The stakes could hardly be higher. As that choice nears, the Guardian, as it has done for 200 years, and with your continued support, will continue to argue for the values we hold dear – facts, science, diversity, equality and fairness." – US editor, John Mulholland

    On the occasion of its 100th birthday in 1921 the editor of the Guardian said, "Perhaps the chief virtue of a newspaper is its independence. It should have a soul of its own." That is more true than ever. Freed from the influence of an owner or shareholders the Guardian's robust independence is our unique driving force and guiding principle.
     

    UK

    Five years of Boris Johnson…
    … and Brexit on the way. With a new Conservative government poised for office, the Guardian’s independent, measured, authoritative reporting has never been so vital. These are turbulent, decade-defining times. Whatever lies ahead for us all, the Guardian will be with you – investigating, disentangling and interrogating. So our readers can make up their minds based on fact, not fiction.

    You have read xx articles in the last two months. More people, like you, are reading and supporting the Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism than ever before. And unlike many news organisations, we made the choice to keep our reporting open for all, regardless of where they live or what they can afford to pay.

    The Guardian will engage with the most critical issues of our time – from the escalating climate catastrophe to widespread inequality to the influence of big tech on our lives. At a time when factual information is a necessity, we believe that each of us, around the world, deserves access to accurate reporting with integrity at its heart.

    Our editorial independence means we set our own agenda and voice our own opinions. Guardian journalism is free from commercial and political bias and not influenced by billionaire owners or shareholders. This means we can give a voice to those less heard, explore where others turn away, and rigorously challenge those in power.
     

    The Guardian is not a bad paper, I shall miss it, lots of good stuff there. But it hates me and mine, wants Brits to become a minority in what was their own land, and tells as many lies as any of them (like that only 12,000 Poles would choose to come to the UK). It's particularly evil when it lies about patriotic Brits and Americans - Trump, Orban, Salvini and Farage come to mind. Its SOP is to attack anyone who cares about their own people - unless they are non-white or Jewish, in which case they are heroes.

    The 'new norms of behaviour' they fret about are the result of the social changes the Guardian championed. You can abuse their chosen hate figures as much as you like in their comments, just don't attack their icons.

    I don't imagine, say, the Murdoch press will be any better. But why should I pay people who hate me?

    “The Guardian is not a bad paper”

    Yes, it is a bad paper. One of the worst.

  16. Damn it, Bill de Blasio only just recently had to paper over cracks appearing in the Jew-Negro get-whitey coalition in NYC by putting the blame on Adolf Trumpler, and now another crack appears!
    Damn, damn, damn!

    Poor Mayor Bill.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/13/blacks-attack-hasidim-brooklyn-deblasio-blames-trump-white-supremacy/

    Time for another press conference I guess.

    • Replies: @PolarBear
    deblasio has the fugliest kids I have ever seen. That boy of his looks like the missing link.
  17. I have an anecdote:

    I’m Indian (south Asian) and got into a top college. I had a Jewish classmate who was highly intelligent, lazy, and arrogant. He didn’t get into any of the top schools he had applied to. He told me I only got in because of affirmative action. I’m smarter than you, he told me. (he was).

    • Replies: @nglaer
    Indian's I'm guessing don't benefit from affirmative action. Isn't that widely known?
  18. I’m sure that all the black students will do much better at the elite Demitrus Green School For Learning Science Good…

    • LOL: Mr. Grey
  19. I wonder if this “nice Jewish girl” was a SJW. If so, she should be thrilled to “give up her spot” at Princeton to a more deserving POC, like Michelle Obama.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    Odds on her being SJW (JAP on fire)- 99:1.
  20. The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl….

    Today there is no safe space for a JAP to kvetch about the Schwarzes.

    …that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.

    Tomorrow, if the ADL, $PLC, and the NYT keep persisting with the hate-whitey vilification, then the God’s Chosen people of NYC better hope Anne Frank had an attic in Manhattan.

  21. The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors…

    Hmmm. Counselor-client privilege is kind of a sacred thing; I’d sure like the license to barge in on a few choice sessions of my choosing.

    “It’s good to be king” says the student of proper color, barging wherever he/she/it wants without consequence.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    They should have white sound machines outside the door to mask conversations from dishonorable, grievance-cultivating eavesdroppers.
    , @PolarBear
    When it comes to crimes against YT, there is entitlement for blacks. Like the Florida 60 yoa YT who shot that spook in the convenience store PL. The old white man was arguing with a sheboon over a parking spot. Tyrone (1/2 his age, twice his size) attacked as soon as he exited the store. Entitled.

    Of course YT stood his ground as is the law. But, jooish subversion kicked in and YT was imprisoned.
    The entitlement of a sheboon to eavesdrop in a confidential meeting and barge in is not surprising.
  22. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    Cory Booker was a college football player at Stanford and he has been reduced to being called a loser by adult Harry Potter reading nerds. Is it any wonder why higher quality people don’t want to bother running for public office.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Higher quality people don’t care what Harry Potter-reading nerds think. Stop making excuses.
    , @Altai
    Even better, Ron wasn't a 'loser' in the books, only in the Hollywood films. (Which pushed him aside to prop up Hermione) They didn't even read the books.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    Cory Booker may be a high quality person, but there was nothing in his campaign that would make you think so. All I can recall is his concern for "African American trans-Americans" and unreflective complaints about high incarceration rates for blacks.
  23. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul appear to be the most decent politicians in Washington but I’ve never seen politicians draw more ire from people punching to their own side. Rand Paul had his ribs broken by an irate neighbor. Ideologues are not well people.

    • Replies: @Altai
    See the insane histrionics that the mild mannered Jeremey Corbyn drew from their London equivalents during his surprise tenure of Labour after the party accidentally allowed a greater weight to the ordinary party members. They patched that loophole, not that there were much of anyone to follow Corbyn, the West is running out of politicians.

    How the hell is it that only Boris Johnson was able to deal with the biggest parliamentary crisis in at least 100 years and possibly ever in Britain? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
    , @ssohara
    I like Tulsi, even though I don't agree with her 100%, but she seems like a decent person. I actually like Andrew Yang for the same reason. I think he genuinely means well. Same with Rand Paul. His dad, Ron, was one of my favorites. I tend to lean libertarian so I actually agreed with most of his politics and he had integrity. So of course he was called a kook, while the swarmy politicians got a pass no matter what crap they spewed.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The Pauls seem like decent men outside of their political beliefs, but in the end, they're libertarians.

    To quote The Z-Man: "If you meet a libertarian, beat him. He'll know why."

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=19052

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8252
  24. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Here in 1971, the great Howlin' Wolf discusses why it is that his people, black people, are "jealous-hearted" folks who hold each other back. He contrasts this with white people who work together.

    But it's worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews. And it's possible that the Wolf did not distinguish between the two. After all, the Chess people who did so much for his career were Jews - possibly "whites" in his eyes.

    https://youtu.be/-7nBhAxqWmQ?t=472

    My father got to see Wolf when he was a kid in 1959. He said only seeing the Who’s first tour could touch that show.

  25. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    Here in 1971, the great Howlin' Wolf discusses why it is that his people, black people, are "jealous-hearted" folks who hold each other back. He contrasts this with white people who work together.

    But it's worth noting how much his description of white people sounds like Jews. And it's possible that the Wolf did not distinguish between the two. After all, the Chess people who did so much for his career were Jews - possibly "whites" in his eyes.

    https://youtu.be/-7nBhAxqWmQ?t=472

    Lol. Just because you’re atomized doesn’t mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don’t line up with skin color. Religion literally means “reconnection.” Might want to try it if you’re feeling blue.

    • Disagree: Hegar
    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    You come across like a loony toon, buddy. And I find your arrogant tone rather amusing in light of your seemingly impoverished reading comprehension.

    First of all, I'm a practicing Christian (RC) and I'm very happy with both my faith and my church community. All things considered and accounting for the overbearing secularism of the times, I couldn't be happier with that part of my life.

    Second of all, I come from a fairly close-knit rural community and feel that it is about as healthy a one as can be found today.

    Third and finally, if you are going to suggest that white people, in general, aren't 1) more atomized than ever before, and 2) more atomized than Jews, then you are FULL OF IT.

    https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-100/5054-1/%7B500CE6D4-98B1-4F1F-901E-53A3E8AFC205%7DImg100.jpg

    , @Hegar
    Dumb religionut chimes in, lacks any info or good argument, so preens about "MUH RELIGION!" It's typical of losers like you, Desiderius, to attach yourselves to a religion to feel you have some worth, since you can't create any worth on your own.

    And you claim, after your baseless insults against John, that "like Jews our affinities don't line up with skin color" and "religion literally means reconnection". So you think Whites should be allied on the basis of your religion, whatever crackpot church you have picked, and not race. In other words, you don't want Whites to ally at all. By your logic, that race is irrelevant and nutcase religion is what to obey, any race that joins your church is your ally. Why Whites outside your church are not.

    Sorry, race traitor. That's not for me. I think you're at the wrong website. We're dealing with the real world here, not your fantasies.
  26. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    They are legion – it’s the only book they’ve read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven’t conserved a damned thing

    • Replies: @CAL2
    It is the only thing they have read. Other people might use well known references to movies like LotR, Star Wars, or Star Trek. Meanwhile, they map their entire existence onto that series.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.
    , @Leo D
    ...sacrificed at the alter of STEM...

    By what measure? Guaranteed these are not STEM students.

    More oppropriately, sacrificed at the alter of Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE) studies.


    The old liberal arts was at least somewhat challenging, but 'somewhat' challenging is WAAAAY above the capabilities of most of these kids being dumped into the university system, as well as the fact that the old liberal arts taught history and culture, which are amathema to the end goals of today's cultural marxists, with their critical theory backgrounds.

    DIE studies are perfectly constructed to both indoctrinated students and to provide a curricula in which to dump all of the students who actually have no business being at an institution of 'higher learning'.

    STEM has nothing to do with it.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    K

    They are legion – it’s the only book they’ve read.
     
    They are legion, but their children aren't.

    Love Story, book and film, pushed Jennifer, already rising, to the top of the name list for 15 years, and shot Ryan into the top dozen.

    In contrast, the Potter trio doesn't even show up this way. Harry bottomed out at #779 in 2015, and is on a slight uptick.

    Ronald is at #493 for 2018, on a steady drop, and just plain Ron at #985. (Ronny and Ronnie do little better than Ron.)

    Hermione hasn't made the top 1000 ever. To those of us of a Tonight Show youth, the name will always be associated with Hermione Gingold and/or her good friend Hermione Baddeley.

    Harry is actually a derivative of Henri-- some preferred the Norman pronunciation to the Norman spelling. For some reason, Henry has just reached a 99-year peak at #16. Prince Harry is legally a Henry, but I doubt that's the reason.

    Also, the traditional nicknames of Hank, Harry, and Hal don't seem to be following "Dad" into popularity. The long-term dominance of Christopher (25 years in the top five) did nothing for Kit, despite the ubiquity, ambiguity, and colorlessness of Chris.

    This is on a relative basis, so the fact that Potter fans are having few children shouldn't make a difference.

  27. @Altai

    One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,”
     
    'Accused'? She basically said that is what she said. That's the point of her disappointment.

    I think the question was the exact phraseology used.

  28. The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors, causing a commotion.

    “If you see something say something!!”

    Yes, things are now unliveable through permanent thought policing and people, especially those with room-temperature IQs and barely any education or real-world experience styling themselves the new Glorious Diversity Lenin riding against Whitey Czar.

    The gates of the antechamber of hell is truly open. Wanna open the next door in?

    Top marks. Everyone shall have prizes.

    • LOL: Houston 1992
  29. OT: Ladybird books has just released this. Orange man…

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/315535/a-ladybird-book-about-donald-trump/9780241422724.html

    Granted the whole ‘Ladybird for grownups’ is entirely marketed at former headgirl types and SJWs but I think as an image it sums up a smug attitude that can’t quite understand what has been happening since 2015.

    There’s also one for Brexit.

    https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/313001/the-story-of-brexit/9780241386569.html

    ‘ “Leaving was the will of the people,” sighs Angelica’s father. He voted to leave.

    Angelica voted to remain, but she feels the same way. “It is the will of the people,” she sighs.

    They stare at the ducks. They like the ducks. Ducks are better than people.’
    __________________________________

    ‘Brexit gave us lots of exciting new words, like brextremist, remoaner, bremoaner, remaybe, breprehensible, remaintenance, brexorcist, remaidstone, brex-girlfriend, remange, brextortion, remayhem and bregret.

    The new words make it harder for foreigners to understand what we are saying.

    In a tough, new international business world, small advantages such as this can be crucial.’
    __________________________________

    This delightful book is the latest in the series of Ladybird books which have been specially planned to help grown-ups with the world about them.

    The large clear script, the careful choice of words, the frequent repetition and the thoughtful matching of text with pictures all enable grown-ups to think they have taught themselves to cope. Featuring original Ladybird artwork alongside brilliantly funny, brand new text.

    ‘Hilarious’ Stylist

  30. The mind reels at the thought of having reached this point in our history, starting with a single ship carrying only 19 black slaves which sailed up the James River 400 years ago.

    Doesn’t The Good Book refer to something about the iniquity of the fathers being visited upon the future generations?

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk

    The mind reels at the thought of having reached this point in our history, starting with a single ship carrying only 19 black slaves which sailed up the James River 400 years ago.
     
    imagine the money saved, the lives spared, the tragedies averted, the great cities and culture preserved, if our government had put them all on boats back to africa in 1866
  31. @Desiderius
    Lol. Just because you're atomized doesn't mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don't line up with skin color. Religion literally means "reconnection." Might want to try it if you're feeling blue.

    You come across like a loony toon, buddy. And I find your arrogant tone rather amusing in light of your seemingly impoverished reading comprehension.

    First of all, I’m a practicing Christian (RC) and I’m very happy with both my faith and my church community. All things considered and accounting for the overbearing secularism of the times, I couldn’t be happier with that part of my life.

    Second of all, I come from a fairly close-knit rural community and feel that it is about as healthy a one as can be found today.

    Third and finally, if you are going to suggest that white people, in general, aren’t 1) more atomized than ever before, and 2) more atomized than Jews, then you are FULL OF IT.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    So you're sore at Jews doing the same thing you are? Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we're both concerned about. It's not about Jew vs White, it's about kids losing their roots.

    And if you're going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn't written before this girl was even born.

  32. Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they’d do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it’s hard not to notice that DC’s demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That’s not an accident.

    It’s easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it’s your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I think I read on VDare that there is a certain percentage of minority population that tends to get the majority riled up. This appears to be true in many countries over a long time. If this is true, it would explain why anti-black feelings were higher in the south but anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish feelings were higher in the north.

    There must be other factors, though. The percentage of Chinese in Indonesia was never very high, but in the 1960s, when there were anti-Chinese riots all over SE Asia, the worst and deadliest were in Indonesia. Quite a few Chinese were killed.
    , @Currahee
    "Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry."

    This could possibly happen.

    In fact, despite all our proselytizing, only a spontaneous development such as this that could change anything.

    Thanks for your comment.
    , @danand

    “I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.”
     
    Arclight, maybe you’re right concerning the apogee; but as of today the kosher paper of record has yet another reason for joyous celebration:

    Black Women Now Hold Crowns in 5 Major Beauty Pageants

    Toni-Ann Singh of Jamaica won the Miss World pageant on Saturday. Black women also hold the 2019 crowns of Miss Teen USA, Miss America, Miss USA and Miss Universe.”
     
    https://flic.kr/p/2i1bYsL
    , @Ed
    There’s some truth to this as Affirmative Action polls fairly poorly with young people. Still I think with the schools, corporations and mass culture the diversity cult will grind on. The elite schools in NYC days are numbered. The Dems are in full control of the state. The SAT will be outlawed in California within a few years.
    , @Shipperman
    The unanswerable question for negroes seems to be: "If Anerica is so racist, why do we bigots allow you to dictate policy to us, ruin people's lives with manufactured hate crimes, and fund expensive studies designed to excuse your inexcusable behavior?"
  33. OT

    Sarazin Sarrazin hat Recht” — Die Welt tweets a story highlighting recent data showing uneducated (and dumb) migrant parents are having LOTS of children, and someone answers “Sarrazin is right” — Dr Gottfried Curio, a physicist and one of the leading AfD politicians, often talks about the same thing: differential birthrates, ie intelligent, educated Germans having the fewest children, and what it means for the country langfristig.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    Get this. I asked Ashvin, my local hindu convenience store owner, what's going on in India, are you guys trying to kick out the muslims? In all seriousness, with a straight face, he said they outbreed the hindus. I just shook my head and tried not to laugh in his face. I chuckled though.
    , @Nicholas Stix
    Those are all white Germans. Look at the hands.
  34. @Desiderius
    They are legion - it's the only book they've read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven't conserved a damned thing

    It is the only thing they have read. Other people might use well known references to movies like LotR, Star Wars, or Star Trek. Meanwhile, they map their entire existence onto that series.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    [Off-Topic; tangents of tangets, within tangents...]

    In response to your mention of Star Trek, I wonder if anyone here is familiar with what may have served as the inspiration for that iconic series: The Voyage of the Scarlet Queen

    See the review by "DougLeary" (dated March 26, 2011) on the Archive dot org page linked above. Excerpts:

    When Voyage of the Scarlet Queen aired in 1947-48, Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had recently been discharged from the navy and was trying to break into script writing. Nearly twenty years later the voice of William Shatner would intone his first log entry.
     

    Of course the wandering adventurer theme is a common one, but the technical parallels between Scarlet Queen and Star Trek have always made me think the adventures of Phil Kearney and Red Gallagher must have planted seeds in young Roddenberry's mind.
     
    Incidentally, I would suggest that parents and others in a position to influence the young might do well to attempt to cultivate in them an interest in such vintage cultural offerings as old time radio.

    From the review on the same page linked-above by "oatka" (June 19, 2013):

    A bunch of us kids used to listen to this show back in 1950 and we always had arguments about the people in the show and the situations - and dreamed of doing the same thing someday.

    The first time I listened to the first show this week and heard "Stand by to make sail!" a TON of memories came flooding back. I'm at the age where I can't remember something from a week ago, but a few hints from this show and it's "Oh yeah, I remember that!".
     
  35. @Desiderius
    They are legion - it's the only book they've read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven't conserved a damned thing

    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    • Agree: El Dato, Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @415 reasons
    The animosity for the books stems from the fact that for these woke millennials it’s clearly much more than a reading primer like Nancy Drew or The Hardy Boys. For these ignoramuses, it is like the Bible and Shakespeare rolled into one, and its preeminence is indicative of the stunted inner life of those who can’t stop talking about it. Bullshit pozzed pop culture is their only frame of reference so of course they don’t understand how the world really works.
    , @El Dato
    But at some point, you have to stop trying to shoehorn reality into the Harry Potter universe.
    , @Anonymous

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.
     
    Correlation is not causation.
    , @anon
    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics.

    Did you persist in reading that fiction? When you were a graduate student would you have continued to fit the world around you into some sort of Procrustean bed of "cowboy world", discarding any facts inconvenient to that narrative? That's where a lot of SJW's live mentally, they persist in seeing the world through the lenses of Harry Potter. Hence the Tweet, which is not merely humor as you assert.

    The Woke do not read the great classics any more than Mao's Red Guards did. They deconstruct them, according to their Wokology.
    , @Herbert West

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.
     
    Because the smarter kids were more interested in reading. It has nothing to do with “Harry Potter” particularly. If not for those, it would’ve been some other YA novels.
    , @Desiderius
    Tolkien>>Lewis>Rowling>>Pullman

    Bright kids with good support systems are going to read all sorts of things, with or without Potter.

    Grown men with a quality education might employ an occasional Tolkien allusion sprinkled among a wide variety, but they know better than to try Narnia, which is understood to be for children alone. The Potter claque understand nothing.
    , @njguy73
    Much like soccer or the Greatful Dead, it's not the product that's annoying, it's the fandom.
  36. @Arclight
    Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they'd do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it's hard not to notice that DC's demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That's not an accident.

    It's easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it's your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    I think I read on VDare that there is a certain percentage of minority population that tends to get the majority riled up. This appears to be true in many countries over a long time. If this is true, it would explain why anti-black feelings were higher in the south but anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish feelings were higher in the north.

    There must be other factors, though. The percentage of Chinese in Indonesia was never very high, but in the 1960s, when there were anti-Chinese riots all over SE Asia, the worst and deadliest were in Indonesia. Quite a few Chinese were killed.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    I think it's accurate that a persistent minority can alter things for a much larger group. In politics this has often been true, and even at a local level it affects the culture and atmosphere of neighborhoods. Unfortunately for us, although the true believer woke folks are a minority of the population, they exert a hugely disproportionate influence in the media, academia, and politics. There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we'll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way. I am hopeful it will be the latter, but it will mean some rough times ahead.
    , @Anon
    Blacks seem to be most riled up by other blacks, since they kill each other at such a high rate. They must find each other to be profoundly annoying, I have a morbid curiosity to witness the results of 1000 years of killing each other on an isolated population; would it become more domestic with time, or just perpetuate the violent genes?
  37. I think maybe Mr. Green just wants a few days off. If so, he’s my favorite character in this story.

    Also I love that they mention “this caused a commotion”. How refreshingly old fashioned for a school to be scandalized by a commotion

  38. A black teacher … Demetrius Green

    Huh, you don’t say.

  39. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    The animosity for the books stems from the fact that for these woke millennials it’s clearly much more than a reading primer like Nancy Drew or The Hardy Boys. For these ignoramuses, it is like the Bible and Shakespeare rolled into one, and its preeminence is indicative of the stunted inner life of those who can’t stop talking about it. Bullshit pozzed pop culture is their only frame of reference so of course they don’t understand how the world really works.

  40. The atmosphere at school sounds totalitarian and oppressive.

    It seems like everyone has to be on guard at all times.

    The kid that caused the ruckus seems to have been eavesdropping. It’s an invasion of privacy.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    Great teaching moment--never never never talk about anything important within earshot of black people.

    That means looking in all directions before you speak.

    The student learned a great lesson.
  41. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    But at some point, you have to stop trying to shoehorn reality into the Harry Potter universe.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    It appears to be more of a joke than anything else.
    I wouldn’t make too much of it.
    , @anon
    There is even Harry Potter themed porn. Look for yourself.
  42. It is refreshing to see jews face their own comeuppance.

    As jews have been at the forefront of the so-called “civil-rights (for some)” movement, the “chickens are coming home to roost” and they are getting a taste of their own medication”.

    Couldn’t happen to a better group.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Civil Rights For Everyone But Whites.
  43. Jews in the US will never change. They see themselves not as Jews but as woke woke woke new class. Same as the folks in the FBI. See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    Jews will never change? If true - which it isn't nor can be - how did they change into believing themselves woke Caucasian SJWarriors from their previous sense of themselves as jews and not Caucasians?
    , @Desiderius
    No, the woke new class sees themselves as the woke new class. They’re all deracinated, whether their origins are Jew, Irish, WASP, or Dot Indian.

    Some doubt is finally starting to creep in regarding their Profane Right to Rule.
    , @Joe Stalin
    "See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ZmZHgWcPA&has_verified=1

    After the South Korean military opened up on the civilian population in Gwangju 1980, the angry civilians raided the local armory for military weapons, including a .50 BMG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249OiR3I60Y [4:06]

    but in 1946, "Battle of Athens,," ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 ) US WWII veterans had keys to the local armory and proceeded to acquire military weapons before engaging Democrat Party corruption.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6CfoKwdsM

    Democracy or a free Republic?

    VA Citizens will decide.

  44. @SFG
    You wonder if the next Bobbie Fiedler's out there.

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

    How?

  45. The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors, causing a commotion.

    It’s really weird how some people stereotype blacks as rude, entitled, and overly emotional.

    “…she’s definitely Messing with wrong group of ppl. She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.”

    Its really weird how some people stereotype blacks as prone to violence.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster, Dtbb
    • LOL: Currahee
  46. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    Correlation is not causation.

  47. @El Dato
    But at some point, you have to stop trying to shoehorn reality into the Harry Potter universe.

    It appears to be more of a joke than anything else.
    I wouldn’t make too much of it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well everything is a joke for plausible deniability purposes. Making sense of the world in what literature is for and Potter is the only lit they have.
  48. @As
    The atmosphere at school sounds totalitarian and oppressive.

    It seems like everyone has to be on guard at all times.

    The kid that caused the ruckus seems to have been eavesdropping. It’s an invasion of privacy.

    Great teaching moment–never never never talk about anything important within earshot of black people.

    That means looking in all directions before you speak.

    The student learned a great lesson.

  49. The video in the Post story is instructive. They really are little Maoists, and there’s plenty of white kids happily going along with the black kids basically saying “F you whitey.” Maybe the Jews will realize they are very much part of the “whitey” in there.

    As for Mr. Green, he is the very image of the “black intelligentsia,” and he probably lives in Fort Greene, their neighborhood of choice. Of course, the black intelligentsia is almost entirely devoted to opining on black-black-blackity-black issues, not doing anything that would fall under the heading of “intelligentsia” in any rational context. But Grievance for Dollars is a major intellectual category these days.

    The other day I was in a book store looking at the non-fiction section. The amount of woke books on the shelf is truly startling. It’s no wonder that some people never even get a glimpse outside their bubble. You could read woke books from morning to night and never run out of new things to read.

    • Replies: @10021
    My Son graduated from the most competitive NYC specialized HS 2 years ago. (35% martic. to Ivy plus MIT/Stan) He's a Jock. Goes now to a top 10 undergrad. Math major with Stats minor. White Conservative Christian.

    First - He described the SJWs environment at his school as being obsessively supported by (Jewish) administration and faculty. He also described the SJW students as social lepers who became SJW only because 'they never got invited to any parties'.

    Second - He and his fellow jocks understood immediately that the SJW were taboo. They decent kids learned to stay clear of any of the SJW subjects. Whenever a SJW subject came up, the Jocks simply kept their heads down and STFU. I suspect the older jocks must have had some quiet conversations with the younger players. It reminded me of stories I read about the worst Soviet or Jacobian purges.

    If you want to live you say nothing.

    Third - You have no idea how rigged elite college admissions is these days. Check out who runs the admissions offices of every elite school. Its disgusting and criminal. The negro . mexican, and samoan quotas are only designed to distract Whites from realizing the real quota is for the Tribe.
  50. Jewish power in the West is about to get squeezed by a political pincer movement. The POC they have flooded the West with are turning on them already. So are conservative whites angry about Jewish anti-white hate. We see Jew-critical forces rising on both the left and right now. The 2020’s are going to be a very interesting decade. It will be especially interesting to see how Jewish ethnic activists try to manipulate the growing populist forces on the left and right to maintain the unpopular status quo.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

  51. “She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.”

    A minority pupil who can speak Ebonics that well deserves a place at a fine university. 😉

    • Replies: @black sea
    She seems to have mastered racially-coded language.
  52. @SFG
    You wonder if the next Bobbie Fiedler's out there.

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

    Thing is, now most of them can pay for private school. If they live in NYC, anyway.

    That was the whole metonymy behind the Clinton campaign’s choice of Brooklyn as its HQ, that “they”- humanity degree-holding striver lackeys of GloboHomoBezos- would be guaranteed continued access to “good public schools” in fabulous coastal urban centers. “First we gentrify Manhattan, then we take Brooklyn”- all to the strains of a Leonard Cohen soundtrack to absolve their consciences, because people with good taste in music are inherently moral.

    See, under Hillary coastal mere deca-billionaires would have gotten to become hecto-billionaires, hecto-millionaire gangster progressive political dynasties would have become billionaire gangster political dynasties, and churnalist-type humanities degree striver lackies would have gotten MOAR! urban gentrification camouflaged as bringing the joys of diversity to the hideously white hinterlands.

  53. @Desiderius
    They are legion - it's the only book they've read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven't conserved a damned thing

    …sacrificed at the alter of STEM…

    By what measure? Guaranteed these are not STEM students.

    More oppropriately, sacrificed at the alter of Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE) studies.

    The old liberal arts was at least somewhat challenging, but ‘somewhat’ challenging is WAAAAY above the capabilities of most of these kids being dumped into the university system, as well as the fact that the old liberal arts taught history and culture, which are amathema to the end goals of today’s cultural marxists, with their critical theory backgrounds.

    DIE studies are perfectly constructed to both indoctrinated students and to provide a curricula in which to dump all of the students who actually have no business being at an institution of ‘higher learning’.

    STEM has nothing to do with it.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  54. Steve, I saw this posted in a comment on your black hair post (thanks Elli). And was going to comment and suggest it deserved top level attention. Appreciate you running with it.

    I think everyone should read this–and suffer through at least a few seconds of that video, especially if they haven’t been around black arguing for a while.

    This is end-to-end bad black behavior–anti-civilizational black behavior–with whites no longer capable or willing to defend themselves.

    We are not near the same place, we were even ten years ago. This is the place 50 years of minoritarianism have put us in. And it is a “place” where civilization can not be maintained. Something is going to shift one way or another.

    • Replies: @Elli
    I hadn't watched the video. The first student speaking says, "I get that they're laughing in discomfort, but if I had a counselor who looked like me, their reaction wouldn't have been to offer to laugh, their reaction would have been to punish that student."

    No venting in the guidance office when a college rejects you, and breaks your heart, smashes your ego, and destroys your future, as the teenage mind sees it.

    You will be punished.

    The assumption of punitive race-solidarity is loathsome. And a little scary when you realize that guidance counseling/ social services/ human resources/city government/diversity and inclusion/soft power is where the aggrieved young speaker will likely end up making her career.

  55. @Jake
    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not. Your helping them evade messes they created to ensnare you will only embolden them in knowing that they can con and use you forever.

    And that they will do.

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?
     
    Anonymouse, what's the point of this?

    Sure, "most Jews", just like most of any group, aren't the movers and shakers. And sure there are cheap labor shills of all stripes. But denying minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology is ridiculous.

    First off, there's the game theory 101 point that balkanization is in the interest of a middle man minority--easier penetration. Secondly the historic majority/Christian hostility/contempt of Jews (Ashkenazim) is non-mythical. But most obviously ... Jews are out there waving the minoritarian--"multiculturalism", "diversity", "nation of immigrants"--24x7x365. Way out of proportion to their numbers, including numbers in elite media. Enough that it is obvious to any fair-minded neutral observer. And furthermore lots of these Jews--and mainstream Jewish organizations!--advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. "Who we are as Jews." (So you don't have to take the word of an "anti-Semite" like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    Jews denying the Jewish role creating and pushing minoritarian ideology is like blacks denying black criminality. (Or like Irish--or American Indians--denying their people's drinking issues. Or for that matter us gentile whites denying our openess and altruism has gotten us rolled and we need to toughen up.) It's dindhuism.

    The same message as to blacks who don't like being "profiled". Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don't like the profile ... fix your community!
    , @Jon

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing.
     

    Nearly 70 percent of Jews support comprehensive immigration reform, according to a survey released by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution in March 2013.
     
    And it is always thus, this was just the first such bit of information I found from a quick search.
    From here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/why-immigration-reform-is-a-jewish-issue/430806/
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Because it is their Jewishness.

    Jews feel safest and most comfortable in a multi-everything society. They stick out less. There's less chance of a society-wide blacklash against them. And they can play groups off of each other, which Jews are particularly adept at doing.

    Our current situation isn't an accident.
  56. @Barnard
    Cory Booker was a college football player at Stanford and he has been reduced to being called a loser by adult Harry Potter reading nerds. Is it any wonder why higher quality people don't want to bother running for public office.

    Higher quality people don’t care what Harry Potter-reading nerds think. Stop making excuses.

  57. @Whiskey
    Jews in the US will never change. They see themselves not as Jews but as woke woke woke new class. Same as the folks in the FBI. See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns.

    Jews will never change? If true – which it isn’t nor can be – how did they change into believing themselves woke Caucasian SJWarriors from their previous sense of themselves as jews and not Caucasians?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    New class. Their hereditary position depends on woke. See any Brooklyn hipster.
  58. @Whiskey
    Jews in the US will never change. They see themselves not as Jews but as woke woke woke new class. Same as the folks in the FBI. See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns.

    No, the woke new class sees themselves as the woke new class. They’re all deracinated, whether their origins are Jew, Irish, WASP, or Dot Indian.

    Some doubt is finally starting to creep in regarding their Profane Right to Rule.

  59. @Paleo Liberal
    It appears to be more of a joke than anything else.
    I wouldn’t make too much of it.

    Well everything is a joke for plausible deniability purposes. Making sense of the world in what literature is for and Potter is the only lit they have.

    • Replies: @lhtness
    My reading of Harry Potter is that the most evil groups are ones that practice strict endogamy. Of course, you're never supposed to think too much about which groups have historically been the most strict about it...
  60. @As
    I have an anecdote:

    I’m Indian (south Asian) and got into a top college. I had a Jewish classmate who was highly intelligent, lazy, and arrogant. He didn’t get into any of the top schools he had applied to. He told me I only got in because of affirmative action. I’m smarter than you, he told me. (he was).

    Indian’s I’m guessing don’t benefit from affirmative action. Isn’t that widely known?

    • Replies: @bomag

    Indians... affirmative action
     
    They famously were listed as "disadvantaged minorities" for SBA loans under W Bush.

    They get plenty of slots under the Diversity; Inclusion; Equality protocols of the elders of Globohomo.
    , @Ed
    They do in government contracting though. In terms of colleges, it depends, yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up but the kids of a cab driver from day Jackson Heights would.
  61. @Paul
    "She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.”


    A minority pupil who can speak Ebonics that well deserves a place at a fine university. ;-)

    She seems to have mastered racially-coded language.

  62. @Barnard
    Cory Booker was a college football player at Stanford and he has been reduced to being called a loser by adult Harry Potter reading nerds. Is it any wonder why higher quality people don't want to bother running for public office.

    Even better, Ron wasn’t a ‘loser’ in the books, only in the Hollywood films. (Which pushed him aside to prop up Hermione) They didn’t even read the books.

  63. Keep in mind that many NYC Jews are Ultra-Orthodox “Haredim” who have 6-8 children. In Israel, some Haredim communities have an average age of 10! The recent attack in Jersey City can be attributed to the rapid transition from African-American to Ultra-Orthodox Jewish caused by the high fertility.

    Yeah, 2010s New York is like 1980s Inner London under the Loony Left. The Loony Left were extremely similar to the Woke Left (even down to seeing racism in math):

    • Replies: @nglaer
    How sad that one can't for a moment imagine a contemporary Sixty Minutes doing something like this. Morley Safer seems heroic in retrospect. (I knew him slightly).
  64. @Barnard
    Cory Booker was a college football player at Stanford and he has been reduced to being called a loser by adult Harry Potter reading nerds. Is it any wonder why higher quality people don't want to bother running for public office.

    Cory Booker may be a high quality person, but there was nothing in his campaign that would make you think so. All I can recall is his concern for “African American trans-Americans” and unreflective complaints about high incarceration rates for blacks.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Barnard
    I was talking about higher quality people than Booker and his fellow Presidential aspirations, and Senators for that matter. People like Booker are what we get with such a dumb electorate.
  65. Jews, gays, and a few others seem to have this attitude that their slight differences from the average (aka Anglo-Saxon/Northern European) white person somehow makes them a minority in the eyes of non-whites. It doesn’t. All it really makes them is a bunch or useful idiots.

  66. I am adjacently involved in the admissions process of The Best University on Earth, so can comment on the fact this is a real thing, Blacks who are simply not up to par do not get in despite intersectional bonuses such as immigrant background or being a basically decent kid despite screw-up parents and chaos at home (they get in to good schools the next 1 or 2 rungs down). But if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission as compared to Asian/white candidates with identical or slightly better numbers who are basically helpless Powerball number watchers, hoping to get called up through sheer dumb luck. Last year I saw the kid sister of such a black candidate get admission too, forming a sort of family dynasty. These kids were nice and smart, but white/Asian kids in their same league get accepted at well below 10% rates, so what are the chances of going 2-for-2?

    This is overall, though, great news, wonderful news! When girls who “if Michael Bloomberg had a grand-niece she’d look like her” start getting social media death threats for speaking what are indisputable public facts, you know the Wokening’s days are numbered. Just wait til Uncle Mikey goes full Bernie Goetz!

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Not entirely accurate, but close enough.

    Basically, the absolute top schools get about 20x as many applicants as they have space, and most is the applicants are qualified.

    At that point, the admissions office looks to see what separates the handful of qualified applicants from the pack.

    It could be one or some combination of:

    Legacy— the white child of an alum is at least as likely to be admitted as a random black kid. Michelle Robinson was a legacy (sister of a Princeton student) and a minority so she got all sorts of extra points.

    Being the child of someone famous helps. I have never heard of the child of a former president ever getting rejected from any college.

    Athlete—- in some colleges the coaches get a minimum GPA or SAT, and can admit x number of athletes who meet the minimum. A football coach at Wisconsin was furious a few years back when the admissions office rejected one of his recruits. Harbaugh snatched the guy up for Michigan. I don’t know if the kid ever graduated.

    Not just football, but rowing and sailing and water polo. Which is why the whole coach bribery thing worked.

    Good HS athletes get extra points, even if they don’t make the team. One Ivy recruiter told me it was almost essential for a kid to have made varsity in some sport just to be considered.

    Exceptional extra curricular activities. — How else did Hogg get in? Greta whatshername is almost guaranteed admission to a top school.

    Fantastic student essay — I am not sure how much this helps. One of my kids supposedly had an absolutely amazing essay, and was accepted to several schools where she was in about the bottom 10%. Of course having Native American ancestry didn’t hurt her.

    Minority— NAM to be more precise. Not ever qualified NAM will get in. However, if a college wants 10% of a certain minority, then the pool of qualified minority applicants is a much smaller pool.


    I gather the poor Jewish girl was upset that she didn’t have the sports or sob story or NAM status that would have taken her from Wait List to acceptance, and needed a safe place to vent. It is appalling that the conversation was held in a place where someone could over hear her. It is even more appalling that teachers treated her so badly afterwards. I was in education for a while, left 20 years ago. I am appalled by the teachers, but sadly not surprised.

    I do know that when I was a professor, even though I was a liberal, the conservative students firmly believed I took their views seriously. I was delighted when a conservative student gave me a pre-publication copy of an anti Affirmative Action article she wrote. She knew that I would respect her views, and not impose my views on her.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission . . . .
     
    I wonder how much of the attempted redistribution of prestige signals through AA just gets lost in the wash.

    For example, if I learn that a black person is a Harvard grad, I automatically do the math in my head and start with the Bayesian prior that he is presumably just pretty smart for a black person. But I'm not expecting to be impressed.

    I am a deplorable. But even liberals must be doing a similar calculus in the back of their heads. So how much advantage are blacks really getting from all this AA credential inflation, anyway?
    , @Bernie
    Indeed, In the late 80s/early 90s there was a lot of conflict between Jews and blacks. Some high-profile Jews were starting to talk like Jared Taylor (well, maybe JT lite) in regard to blacks. I thought this would be a trend but it just fizzled. Ed Koch, Richard Cohen, Norman Podhoertz and others mostly stopped talking about blacks in the late 90s. One who kept on talking was Eric Briendel of the NY Post, but he died young in the late 1990s.

    The trend I see now is for Jews to insist they are non-white "POCs." They can lecture and hector whites in this way. But intimidating whites is easy and nothing to brag about. Whites almost never fight back physically or verbally. Needless to say, blacks are having none of this from (fellow POCs).
  67. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul appear to be the most decent politicians in Washington but I've never seen politicians draw more ire from people punching to their own side. Rand Paul had his ribs broken by an irate neighbor. Ideologues are not well people.

    See the insane histrionics that the mild mannered Jeremey Corbyn drew from their London equivalents during his surprise tenure of Labour after the party accidentally allowed a greater weight to the ordinary party members. They patched that loophole, not that there were much of anyone to follow Corbyn, the West is running out of politicians.

    How the hell is it that only Boris Johnson was able to deal with the biggest parliamentary crisis in at least 100 years and possibly ever in Britain? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

  68. @Anon
    Data point 1: Black science teacher at Beacon leads racism protest:

    A black teacher at Manhattan’s Beacon High School ... identified as science instructor Demetrius Green — exhorted the crowd of hundreds of teens ... "Do not come to school that day to show solidarity."
     
    Data point 2: Beacon needs more black science teachers:

    “Until the demands are met, students are not to return to school,” the teacher said.... Official Demands, including ... ensuring that faculty hiring “mirrors the diversity” of NYC’s students.
     
    Data point 3: Beacon chem lab explosion burns minority kid over 30 percent of body:

    A Manhattan jury on Monday awarded nearly $60 million in damages to a former Beacon High School student who was badly burned by a teacher’s botched chemistry experiment
     

    The kid testified that his disfigured appearance has left him still a virgin at 21.

    https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/teacher-tells-students-to-boycott-beacon-hs-after-white-girl-accused-of-racism/

    https://nypost.com/2019/07/01/beacon-hs-student-burned-in-botched-chemistry-experiment-awarded-nearly-60m/

    This would be funnier if the Beacon science teacher defendant were black, but she seems to be a white or Hispanic woman. The experiment may have a diversity connection, however: It was an atempt to produce a multicolored rainbow flame by pouring methanol onto various chemical salts. An LGBT flame?

    The Post:

    The kid testified that his disfigured appearance has left him still a virgin at 21.

    That sounds pretty incelly. I fell bad for the kid, but that’s a strange thing to focus on.

    More from the Post:

    Former pupil Alonzo Yanes was in 10th grade on the morning of Jan. 2, 2014, when his chemistry teacher, Anna Poole, opened a jug of methyl to conduct a “Rainbow Demonstration,” the plaintiff’s lawyer said.

    A jug of methyl- what?

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/what-is-the-rainbow-experiment-that-severely-burned-beacon-hs-student/

    In the case of the Beacon High School class that left student Alonzo Yanes severely burned, the teacher lined up dishes along a table, each containing a different mineral salt and a lit candle, students said. She began pouring on them, one at a time, an accelerant commonly used in the demonstration: methanol.

    Methanol is toxic on skin contact. Do not use.

    I feel bad for the teacher too, that should not have happened. Are there no instruction books on experiments or what?

    Reminds me of the old times when my teacher demonstrated the power of acetylene, projecting shards of porcelain into the classroom. Luckily there was a shield.

  69. @AnotherDad
    Steve, I saw this posted in a comment on your black hair post (thanks Elli). And was going to comment and suggest it deserved top level attention. Appreciate you running with it.

    I think everyone should read this--and suffer through at least a few seconds of that video, especially if they haven't been around black arguing for a while.

    This is end-to-end bad black behavior--anti-civilizational black behavior--with whites no longer capable or willing to defend themselves.

    We are not near the same place, we were even ten years ago. This is the place 50 years of minoritarianism have put us in. And it is a "place" where civilization can not be maintained. Something is going to shift one way or another.

    I hadn’t watched the video. The first student speaking says, “I get that they’re laughing in discomfort, but if I had a counselor who looked like me, their reaction wouldn’t have been to offer to laugh, their reaction would have been to punish that student.”

    No venting in the guidance office when a college rejects you, and breaks your heart, smashes your ego, and destroys your future, as the teenage mind sees it.

    You will be punished.

    The assumption of punitive race-solidarity is loathsome. And a little scary when you realize that guidance counseling/ social services/ human resources/city government/diversity and inclusion/soft power is where the aggrieved young speaker will likely end up making her career.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    You sound like you have had teenagers.

    Those of us who have or have had teenage daughters know the incredible drama that is the life of a teenage girl. It is heartbreaking when they work so hard for something, and don’t get it for reasons that just seem so unfair.

    Sometimes the poor girl just needs some time to vent and work things out in her own mind. But often there are teachers and coaches and other students who will never forgive.
  70. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics.

    Did you persist in reading that fiction? When you were a graduate student would you have continued to fit the world around you into some sort of Procrustean bed of “cowboy world”, discarding any facts inconvenient to that narrative? That’s where a lot of SJW’s live mentally, they persist in seeing the world through the lenses of Harry Potter. Hence the Tweet, which is not merely humor as you assert.

    The Woke do not read the great classics any more than Mao’s Red Guards did. They deconstruct them, according to their Wokology.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I think you have it a bit wrong.

    In certain circles, there is a bit of Geek Chic. That is, people tend to brag about how nerdy they are.

    For example, I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies. One particularly cold room was named after a cold planet in Star Wars. Just Geeks liking to show off.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn't mean they really believe it. It means they think it's funny.

    Not just Woke folks do that. I used to work for a local company that named all its conference rooms after local lakes (we have a lot of lakes around here, due to the last Ice Age). The bigger the lake, the bigger the conference room. As a joke, the smallest conference room was the Woebegone room. I talked to the nice HR lady, and she made sure I knew it was a joke. They didn't really believe such a lake existed. Just as Harry Potter fans don't really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.
  71. @El Dato
    But at some point, you have to stop trying to shoehorn reality into the Harry Potter universe.

    There is even Harry Potter themed porn. Look for yourself.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    I'll take your word for it.
    , @njguy73
    Rule 34, dude.
  72. @Paleo Liberal
    I think I read on VDare that there is a certain percentage of minority population that tends to get the majority riled up. This appears to be true in many countries over a long time. If this is true, it would explain why anti-black feelings were higher in the south but anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish feelings were higher in the north.

    There must be other factors, though. The percentage of Chinese in Indonesia was never very high, but in the 1960s, when there were anti-Chinese riots all over SE Asia, the worst and deadliest were in Indonesia. Quite a few Chinese were killed.

    I think it’s accurate that a persistent minority can alter things for a much larger group. In politics this has often been true, and even at a local level it affects the culture and atmosphere of neighborhoods. Unfortunately for us, although the true believer woke folks are a minority of the population, they exert a hugely disproportionate influence in the media, academia, and politics. There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way. I am hopeful it will be the latter, but it will mean some rough times ahead.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way.
     
    It may also be possible that we end up with two alternate cultures living side-by-side. Basically, a furthering of the Big Sort effect: If you can't beat 'em . . . move away from 'em.

    OTOH, to-date there hasn't been any real move to create alternative conservative institutions, such as a substitute for the left-infested academy, whose credibility has plummeted.

  73. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    Because the smarter kids were more interested in reading. It has nothing to do with “Harry Potter” particularly. If not for those, it would’ve been some other YA novels.

  74. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul appear to be the most decent politicians in Washington but I've never seen politicians draw more ire from people punching to their own side. Rand Paul had his ribs broken by an irate neighbor. Ideologues are not well people.

    I like Tulsi, even though I don’t agree with her 100%, but she seems like a decent person. I actually like Andrew Yang for the same reason. I think he genuinely means well. Same with Rand Paul. His dad, Ron, was one of my favorites. I tend to lean libertarian so I actually agreed with most of his politics and he had integrity. So of course he was called a kook, while the swarmy politicians got a pass no matter what crap they spewed.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    These days Yang is trying to get himself as Joe Biden’s running mate. Joe has hinted he won’t run in 2024 no matter what, so this could be Yang’s grand plan to get the 2024 nomination.
  75. ” She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY.”

    Sounds like it won’t be a Beacon much longer!

  76. She CLEARLY don’t know how we grew up cuz that bitch looking to be destroyed LITERALLY

    Brought to you by a future Harvard student.

  77. @Whiskey
    Jews in the US will never change. They see themselves not as Jews but as woke woke woke new class. Same as the folks in the FBI. See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns.

    “See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns.”

    After the South Korean military opened up on the civilian population in Gwangju 1980, the angry civilians raided the local armory for military weapons, including a .50 BMG.

    [4:06]

    but in 1946, “Battle of Athens,,” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 ) US WWII veterans had keys to the local armory and proceeded to acquire military weapons before engaging Democrat Party corruption.

    Democracy or a free Republic?

    VA Citizens will decide.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    The big Igloo is going to be lit.
  78. @Abe
    I am adjacently involved in the admissions process of The Best University on Earth, so can comment on the fact this is a real thing, Blacks who are simply not up to par do not get in despite intersectional bonuses such as immigrant background or being a basically decent kid despite screw-up parents and chaos at home (they get in to good schools the next 1 or 2 rungs down). But if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission as compared to Asian/white candidates with identical or slightly better numbers who are basically helpless Powerball number watchers, hoping to get called up through sheer dumb luck. Last year I saw the kid sister of such a black candidate get admission too, forming a sort of family dynasty. These kids were nice and smart, but white/Asian kids in their same league get accepted at well below 10% rates, so what are the chances of going 2-for-2?

    This is overall, though, great news, wonderful news! When girls who “if Michael Bloomberg had a grand-niece she’d look like her” start getting social media death threats for speaking what are indisputable public facts, you know the Wokening’s days are numbered. Just wait til Uncle Mikey goes full Bernie Goetz!

    Not entirely accurate, but close enough.

    Basically, the absolute top schools get about 20x as many applicants as they have space, and most is the applicants are qualified.

    At that point, the admissions office looks to see what separates the handful of qualified applicants from the pack.

    It could be one or some combination of:

    Legacy— the white child of an alum is at least as likely to be admitted as a random black kid. Michelle Robinson was a legacy (sister of a Princeton student) and a minority so she got all sorts of extra points.

    Being the child of someone famous helps. I have never heard of the child of a former president ever getting rejected from any college.

    Athlete—- in some colleges the coaches get a minimum GPA or SAT, and can admit x number of athletes who meet the minimum. A football coach at Wisconsin was furious a few years back when the admissions office rejected one of his recruits. Harbaugh snatched the guy up for Michigan. I don’t know if the kid ever graduated.

    Not just football, but rowing and sailing and water polo. Which is why the whole coach bribery thing worked.

    Good HS athletes get extra points, even if they don’t make the team. One Ivy recruiter told me it was almost essential for a kid to have made varsity in some sport just to be considered.

    Exceptional extra curricular activities. — How else did Hogg get in? Greta whatshername is almost guaranteed admission to a top school.

    Fantastic student essay — I am not sure how much this helps. One of my kids supposedly had an absolutely amazing essay, and was accepted to several schools where she was in about the bottom 10%. Of course having Native American ancestry didn’t hurt her.

    Minority— NAM to be more precise. Not ever qualified NAM will get in. However, if a college wants 10% of a certain minority, then the pool of qualified minority applicants is a much smaller pool.

    I gather the poor Jewish girl was upset that she didn’t have the sports or sob story or NAM status that would have taken her from Wait List to acceptance, and needed a safe place to vent. It is appalling that the conversation was held in a place where someone could over hear her. It is even more appalling that teachers treated her so badly afterwards. I was in education for a while, left 20 years ago. I am appalled by the teachers, but sadly not surprised.

    I do know that when I was a professor, even though I was a liberal, the conservative students firmly believed I took their views seriously. I was delighted when a conservative student gave me a pre-publication copy of an anti Affirmative Action article she wrote. She knew that I would respect her views, and not impose my views on her.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Dissident
  79. @George Weinbaum
    I wonder if this "nice Jewish girl" was a SJW. If so, she should be thrilled to "give up her spot" at Princeton to a more deserving POC, like Michelle Obama.

    Odds on her being SJW (JAP on fire)- 99:1.

  80. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    You come across like a loony toon, buddy. And I find your arrogant tone rather amusing in light of your seemingly impoverished reading comprehension.

    First of all, I'm a practicing Christian (RC) and I'm very happy with both my faith and my church community. All things considered and accounting for the overbearing secularism of the times, I couldn't be happier with that part of my life.

    Second of all, I come from a fairly close-knit rural community and feel that it is about as healthy a one as can be found today.

    Third and finally, if you are going to suggest that white people, in general, aren't 1) more atomized than ever before, and 2) more atomized than Jews, then you are FULL OF IT.

    https://img1.od-cdn.com/ImageType-100/5054-1/%7B500CE6D4-98B1-4F1F-901E-53A3E8AFC205%7DImg100.jpg

    So you’re sore at Jews doing the same thing you are? Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we’re both concerned about. It’s not about Jew vs White, it’s about kids losing their roots.

    And if you’re going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn’t written before this girl was even born.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton

    Just because you’re atomized doesn’t mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don’t line up with skin color.
     
    I'm trying to find the part where he said, particularly in his first post, that all whites are atomized. Could you quote it to me in context?

    I did look very carefully and found, however, you abusing the Rt Hon. Ad Hominem enough that he might want to sue, as well as your interlocutor replying that you come across as a loony toon, which is so offensive I understand if lifelong trauma results. You are also being ageist, dismissing Putnam's study because it's old and wrinkly:


    And if you’re going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn’t written before this girl was even born.
     
    without even caring to link to any younger, sexier ones that arrived at the opposite conclusion, that is, that American society is less atomized than ever before, white Americans particularly. They exist, they do. Search around every nook and cranny and you'll find them.

    As to the topic in question: did the young white lady check her privilege before writing her condescending statement? I suspect not. I suggest a taskforce be assembled to extensively investigate if she checked her privilege, before she is destroyed literally by the wrong group of people.

    , @ATBOTL

    Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we’re both concerned about. It’s not about Jew vs White, it’s about kids losing their roots.
     
    The fact that this girl is being made a cause celebre by the center right media, as a Jewish girl specifically, rather than just "white," proves you wrong. The organized Jewish community in America is a colossal network of hundreds of organizations, with major clout inside of the establishment. To suggest that young Jews are experiencing the same lack of support from their own ethnic community and lack of access to institutional power that young whites are experiencing is preposterous.
  81. @Arclight
    I think it's accurate that a persistent minority can alter things for a much larger group. In politics this has often been true, and even at a local level it affects the culture and atmosphere of neighborhoods. Unfortunately for us, although the true believer woke folks are a minority of the population, they exert a hugely disproportionate influence in the media, academia, and politics. There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we'll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way. I am hopeful it will be the latter, but it will mean some rough times ahead.

    There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way.

    It may also be possible that we end up with two alternate cultures living side-by-side. Basically, a furthering of the Big Sort effect: If you can’t beat ’em . . . move away from ’em.

    OTOH, to-date there hasn’t been any real move to create alternative conservative institutions, such as a substitute for the left-infested academy, whose credibility has plummeted.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    There hasn't been a move to create institutions at all.

    When the Creator is forsaken folks forget how to create.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    What about Liberty University?

    Or perhaps BYU?

    Yes, those are religiously affiliated, but many of the most liberal colleges were founded by religious organizations in previous centuries.
    , @Jack Henson
    No, there have been. It's just the fedgov insists someone has a shotgun an inch shorter than legally allowed or that "child abuse" is occurring and send in the snipers.
  82. @Prester John
    The mind reels at the thought of having reached this point in our history, starting with a single ship carrying only 19 black slaves which sailed up the James River 400 years ago.

    Doesn't The Good Book refer to something about the iniquity of the fathers being visited upon the future generations?

    The mind reels at the thought of having reached this point in our history, starting with a single ship carrying only 19 black slaves which sailed up the James River 400 years ago.

    imagine the money saved, the lives spared, the tragedies averted, the great cities and culture preserved, if our government had put them all on boats back to africa in 1866

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    imagine the money saved, the lives spared, the tragedies averted, the great cities and culture preserved, if our government had put them all on boats back to africa in 1866
     
    Are you kidding?  Washington was RELYING on the tariffs being paid by the South to finance its ambitions, and that would have been impossible if the Africans had been shipped out and there was no one to pick the cotton which provided the export earnings needed to pay them.

    Yankees were tax-farming the ex-slaves as much as the Southrons.  They weren't going to cut themselves off at the knees, oh no.
  83. @Altai

    One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,”
     
    'Accused'? She basically said that is what she said. That's the point of her disappointment.

    Good that you spotted it but become conscious of the pettiness of progressive Orwellian language. This is painfully obvious with any given lyingpress statement about Trump, but they’re doing it to this girl too. This is a Soviet practice. It certifies the impression of objective guilt in the mind of the low-information skim-reader. It’s like the Simpsons bit:
    “Aha, he confesses!”
    “What do you mean, confess? He’s admitting it.”
    “Quiet, I need this.”

  84. @Hypnotoad666

    There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way.
     
    It may also be possible that we end up with two alternate cultures living side-by-side. Basically, a furthering of the Big Sort effect: If you can't beat 'em . . . move away from 'em.

    OTOH, to-date there hasn't been any real move to create alternative conservative institutions, such as a substitute for the left-infested academy, whose credibility has plummeted.

    There hasn’t been a move to create institutions at all.

    When the Creator is forsaken folks forget how to create.

  85. @Arclight
    Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they'd do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it's hard not to notice that DC's demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That's not an accident.

    It's easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it's your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    “Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.”

    This could possibly happen.

    In fact, despite all our proselytizing, only a spontaneous development such as this that could change anything.

    Thanks for your comment.

  86. But the teacher asked, “What is that going to do? Students before you, before I, have done the same thing, and nothing has happened.” …

    I am sure it is nearly impossible to fire a black “educator” in NYC, but I consider Mr. Brown’s… ah, pardon, Mr. Green’s abuse of the English language sufficient grounds for the immediate termination of his employment, without even taking into account his act of educational sedition.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    That's even before you begin analyzing what's being said here.

    > have done the same thing

    What exactly?

    > and nothing has happened

    We just all be slaves to the white man.
  87. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    Tolkien>>Lewis>Rowling>>Pullman

    Bright kids with good support systems are going to read all sorts of things, with or without Potter.

    Grown men with a quality education might employ an occasional Tolkien allusion sprinkled among a wide variety, but they know better than to try Narnia, which is understood to be for children alone. The Potter claque understand nothing.

  88. @Arclight
    Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they'd do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it's hard not to notice that DC's demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That's not an accident.

    It's easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it's your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    “I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.”

    Arclight, maybe you’re right concerning the apogee; but as of today the kosher paper of record has yet another reason for joyous celebration:

    Black Women Now Hold Crowns in 5 Major Beauty Pageants

    Toni-Ann Singh of Jamaica won the Miss World pageant on Saturday. Black women also hold the 2019 crowns of Miss Teen USA, Miss America, Miss USA and Miss Universe.”

    we won

    • Replies: @Jack D
    5 out of 5. I guess there are no beautiful white women left. What will they do to top this next year? From now on, all pageant winners will have to be black or it will be evidence of racist regression. Maybe next year all the runner ups will be black too. Also Miss Congeniality will have to be black because to do otherwise implies that black women are not congenial. Black women are nothing if not congenial - they are known for their congeniality as well as their beauty.
    , @Bernie
    It can and will get worse. Of course, white girls are the prettiest but are not allowed to win these contests anymore. These black beauty pageant winners are now usually mulattoes/high yellas and at least act and speak kinda white-ish.

    Soon blacks and SJWs will say that these women are acting white and are mixed or have white-ish features. Soon - very soon - these pageant winners will have to look, act and speak like Lizzo.

    I am not saying this as a joke.
    , @nglaer
    Miss France comes from Guadaloup
  89. @Altai

    after an incident involving a white Jewish girl sparked complaints about a racist environment.
     
    I had to check the link to see if this was the Forward. No. I assume we're told her ethnicity so we 'please don't clap'?

    Altai, i had the same reaction to that “white Jewish girl” line.

    The rule is Jews misbehaving–whether actually or just relative to the narrative–are simply “whites”. Harvey Weinstein is a dirty old “white man”.

    So this “white Jewish girl” line immediately fired some neurons and told me that the article wasn’t going to be completely narrative comliant, but have more “complexity”. One guesses that the author had a bit of sympathy for the evil perp girl … and sure enough–i just checked back–it’s “Susan Edelman”. Her description is Jewish girl, talking privately to Jewish counselors … so that’s special and protected.

    Good to see a reasonably straight take on one of these minoritarian hysterics. Readers of this article–with some intelligence and foresight will have a different take away then the usual.

  90. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:

    Basically, what this boils down to is that the NY Times chose to beat up a high school kid (and possible legal minor) to give themselves smug asspats for racepoints. The girl should sue the Times for harrassment, possible libel (since the whole thing is hearsay and might not have even happened) and damages.

  91. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    My first act as High Archon of what comes out of the United States will be to burn every copy of Harry Potter I can lay hands on.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Just please don't burn the audiobooks -- Jim Dale's performance is a masterwork, whatever you think of the source material
  92. @Abe
    I am adjacently involved in the admissions process of The Best University on Earth, so can comment on the fact this is a real thing, Blacks who are simply not up to par do not get in despite intersectional bonuses such as immigrant background or being a basically decent kid despite screw-up parents and chaos at home (they get in to good schools the next 1 or 2 rungs down). But if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission as compared to Asian/white candidates with identical or slightly better numbers who are basically helpless Powerball number watchers, hoping to get called up through sheer dumb luck. Last year I saw the kid sister of such a black candidate get admission too, forming a sort of family dynasty. These kids were nice and smart, but white/Asian kids in their same league get accepted at well below 10% rates, so what are the chances of going 2-for-2?

    This is overall, though, great news, wonderful news! When girls who “if Michael Bloomberg had a grand-niece she’d look like her” start getting social media death threats for speaking what are indisputable public facts, you know the Wokening’s days are numbered. Just wait til Uncle Mikey goes full Bernie Goetz!

    if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission . . . .

    I wonder how much of the attempted redistribution of prestige signals through AA just gets lost in the wash.

    For example, if I learn that a black person is a Harvard grad, I automatically do the math in my head and start with the Bayesian prior that he is presumably just pretty smart for a black person. But I’m not expecting to be impressed.

    I am a deplorable. But even liberals must be doing a similar calculus in the back of their heads. So how much advantage are blacks really getting from all this AA credential inflation, anyway?

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    Right. I think Steve made the point long ago (I would have no idea where to start searching for the reference) that AA for blacks is less about helping blacks and more about excluding competition from scrappy white come-uppers. This goes for uni as well as work. As an aside, it's amusing to see the managerial class being displaced by diversity hires. Ten years ago, the managers no doubt thought that allowing diversity criteria in HR decisions would never affect their jobs. Oops.
  93. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    Jewish power in the West is about to get squeezed by a political pincer movement. The POC they have flooded the West with are turning on them already. So are conservative whites angry about Jewish anti-white hate. We see Jew-critical forces rising on both the left and right now. The 2020's are going to be a very interesting decade. It will be especially interesting to see how Jewish ethnic activists try to manipulate the growing populist forces on the left and right to maintain the unpopular status quo.

    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000’s, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today’s GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews — i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    • Replies: @anonynous
    "2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence."

    I respond:

    Do please stop mouthing ridiculous nonsense. The ethnic Jewish population of the United States was never higher than 3%.

    Jewish influence and dominance of American elections is because of their dominance of the US Media and the donor class. It's reality that CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, all Hollywood studios are dominated by this J media mafia.

    The last White Gentile goy of any prominence owning major news media was the Southerner Ted Turner - when he sold out to Gerald Levin and Time Warner inc - that was all she wrote. This J media mafia had/has near monopoly control - they can incite US wars against Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Russia - incite mobs to try to murder honest White police officers in Ferguson MO, demand unrestricted Saudi Islamic migration, train Saudi Islamists that hate us to become pilots in Florida.

    That's the way it is.

    , @Hypnotoad666

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.
     
    This is clearly wrong. Jews don't exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.
    , @Tertius
    (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men)

    My heritage is proud WV trailer trash, and we prefer the moniker Inbred Rural Polymaths.
    , @kaganovitch
    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today’s GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men).

    Yo, why you dissin' my homies like dat? Sorry to disappoint you, but ultra-Orthodox Jews are no different genetically from other Ashkenazi Jews, they just live in a quasi-shtetl. The Ashkenazi Jewish demographic that dominates the heights of contemporary Western culture/civilization were ultra-Orthodox Jews just a few generations back.
    , @Alden
    It’s not Jewish votes. It’s Jewish money that elects American politicians. How much of the money America gives to Israel comes back to bribe American politicians to give more money to Israel?

    Then there’s George Soros abd others like him.
  94. @nglaer
    Indian's I'm guessing don't benefit from affirmative action. Isn't that widely known?

    Indians… affirmative action

    They famously were listed as “disadvantaged minorities” for SBA loans under W Bush.

    They get plenty of slots under the Diversity; Inclusion; Equality protocols of the elders of Globohomo.

  95. Anon[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I think I read on VDare that there is a certain percentage of minority population that tends to get the majority riled up. This appears to be true in many countries over a long time. If this is true, it would explain why anti-black feelings were higher in the south but anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish feelings were higher in the north.

    There must be other factors, though. The percentage of Chinese in Indonesia was never very high, but in the 1960s, when there were anti-Chinese riots all over SE Asia, the worst and deadliest were in Indonesia. Quite a few Chinese were killed.

    Blacks seem to be most riled up by other blacks, since they kill each other at such a high rate. They must find each other to be profoundly annoying, I have a morbid curiosity to witness the results of 1000 years of killing each other on an isolated population; would it become more domestic with time, or just perpetuate the violent genes?

    • Replies: @Duke84
    In an African context I would say the latter.
  96. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    I am a deplorable. But even liberals must be doing a similar calculus in the back of their heads

    Maybe. However, I believe you seriously underestimate the human capacity for self delusion and rationalization. More likely, liberals are just servicing their cog-dis in various ways, including venting their frustration on Deplorables, because they won’t or can’t fight back.

  97. @Hypnotoad666

    There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way.
     
    It may also be possible that we end up with two alternate cultures living side-by-side. Basically, a furthering of the Big Sort effect: If you can't beat 'em . . . move away from 'em.

    OTOH, to-date there hasn't been any real move to create alternative conservative institutions, such as a substitute for the left-infested academy, whose credibility has plummeted.

    What about Liberty University?

    Or perhaps BYU?

    Yes, those are religiously affiliated, but many of the most liberal colleges were founded by religious organizations in previous centuries.

  98. @Anon
    Our Chosen People masters sure are wishy-washy shifty folk.

    What you’re seeing is extreme short term thinking or tunnel vision, which happens to be a widely observed characteristic of highly intelligent and high performing people, Jewish and otherwise. Chinese set themselves up for preventable disaster about as often. In history, there may have been no gentile victories over Jews, only a succession of unforced errors which an observant opponent could exploit.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    For such an awfully smart people, they at times seem awfully dumb.
  99. @peterike
    The video in the Post story is instructive. They really are little Maoists, and there's plenty of white kids happily going along with the black kids basically saying "F you whitey." Maybe the Jews will realize they are very much part of the "whitey" in there.

    As for Mr. Green, he is the very image of the "black intelligentsia," and he probably lives in Fort Greene, their neighborhood of choice. Of course, the black intelligentsia is almost entirely devoted to opining on black-black-blackity-black issues, not doing anything that would fall under the heading of "intelligentsia" in any rational context. But Grievance for Dollars is a major intellectual category these days.

    The other day I was in a book store looking at the non-fiction section. The amount of woke books on the shelf is truly startling. It's no wonder that some people never even get a glimpse outside their bubble. You could read woke books from morning to night and never run out of new things to read.

    My Son graduated from the most competitive NYC specialized HS 2 years ago. (35% martic. to Ivy plus MIT/Stan) He’s a Jock. Goes now to a top 10 undergrad. Math major with Stats minor. White Conservative Christian.

    First – He described the SJWs environment at his school as being obsessively supported by (Jewish) administration and faculty. He also described the SJW students as social lepers who became SJW only because ‘they never got invited to any parties’.

    Second – He and his fellow jocks understood immediately that the SJW were taboo. They decent kids learned to stay clear of any of the SJW subjects. Whenever a SJW subject came up, the Jocks simply kept their heads down and STFU. I suspect the older jocks must have had some quiet conversations with the younger players. It reminded me of stories I read about the worst Soviet or Jacobian purges.

    If you want to live you say nothing.

    Third – You have no idea how rigged elite college admissions is these days. Check out who runs the admissions offices of every elite school. Its disgusting and criminal. The negro . mexican, and samoan quotas are only designed to distract Whites from realizing the real quota is for the Tribe.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    the real quota is for the Tribe.
     
    Apparently the admissions officers at the schools that the Jewish girl in the article didn't get into didn't get the memo. Maybe the girl forgot to give them the secret handshake at her school interviews?

    If you want to live you say nothing.
     
    They are literally threatening that girl's life now. Apparently, failure to be totally on board with Affirmative Action is a capital offense in her school. I don't know the circumstances whereby she thought she was having a private and confidential conversation with her guidance counselor and a Negro "overheard" her. Teenage girls are not always paragons of discretion.
  100. @Desiderius
    So you're sore at Jews doing the same thing you are? Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we're both concerned about. It's not about Jew vs White, it's about kids losing their roots.

    And if you're going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn't written before this girl was even born.

    Just because you’re atomized doesn’t mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don’t line up with skin color.

    I’m trying to find the part where he said, particularly in his first post, that all whites are atomized. Could you quote it to me in context?

    I did look very carefully and found, however, you abusing the Rt Hon. Ad Hominem enough that he might want to sue, as well as your interlocutor replying that you come across as a loony toon, which is so offensive I understand if lifelong trauma results. You are also being ageist, dismissing Putnam’s study because it’s old and wrinkly:

    And if you’re going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn’t written before this girl was even born.

    without even caring to link to any younger, sexier ones that arrived at the opposite conclusion, that is, that American society is less atomized than ever before, white Americans particularly. They exist, they do. Search around every nook and cranny and you’ll find them.

    As to the topic in question: did the young white lady check her privilege before writing her condescending statement? I suspect not. I suggest a taskforce be assembled to extensively investigate if she checked her privilege, before she is destroyed literally by the wrong group of people.

  101. New York City does seem hopeless, civilization falling down, immigration anarchy, Black criminal anarchy.

    Does this seem familiar?

    That was David Dinkins New York City in the early 90s.

    So many people said that New York City Jews were hopeless, that they would always excuse/enable the worst Black Lib Leftist politics, Blacks couldn’t be held responsible for their crimes because of Racism…..

    What changed:

    The Crown Heights Brooklyn Black riots, pogrom against orthodox Jews. So Black AA boy ran out in traffic and was struck and killed by an Orthodox Jewish funeral hearse and guess who?

    Non other than Rev Al Sharpton/Rev Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities led the mobs shouting “kill the Jews”

    This was enough, even for the most true believer Lib Leftist Jews.

    New York City Jews voted for law and order tough Italian mayor Rudy Guliani and civilization was restored.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Wasn’t Guiliani elected 35,40 years ago?

    The Tessa Majors killing seems to have brought back the Jewish black coalition against the White goyim. It’s very different from the Central Park jogger that turned NY Whites, including Jews against the hyena packs.

    Anti White anti police pro black criminal son of communists DeBlasio was elected mayor twice. He made it clear he was for opening the jails, bail for detainee at no cost, no school discipline and the worst and most dangerous liberal agenda.

    And the Jewish black coalition made him mayor twice.

    Many of us deplorables think of NYC as a town inhabited by nothing but Jewish billionaires, Jewish radical SJWs, gays feminazis, vegans, trans genders, scattered buttinskies, tree worshippers, pit bull lovers and other childless Jewish cause people on top, black and brown criminals with hordes of hyena children the rest of the population.

    That’s just what NYC projects.
    , @Hibernian
    Do you think they might elect Nicole Malliotakis, or someone similar, next election? A lot has changed.
  102. Grown men with a quality education might employ an occasional Tolkien allusion

    Literary allusions are a very interesting cultural memetic. They have to be common enough to be recognized by the reader. But they also have to be just esoteric enough to trigger a sense of satisfaction in the recognition. So their use signifies a kind of cultural tribal membership of sorts.

    Tracing the wax and wane of literary allusions would probably say a lot about our culture’s evolution. (What it would say specifically, I have no idea, however.)

    • Replies: @Kylie
    My all-time favorite literary allusion:

    https://youtu.be/8BMsDJrjZHY
  103. @Jake
    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not. Your helping them evade messes they created to ensnare you will only embolden them in knowing that they can con and use you forever.

    And that they will do.

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not.

    Jews as a middle man minority have radically different interests than the nation’s people, specifically the more balkanized the nation, the more penetrable, the easier it is to accumulate power and the less fear of an organized majority.

    But to a casual observer it does seem weird that Jews will not take their foot off the gas pedal. Say “Hey, we’ve hit the sweet spot, we are rich, powerful, in control and can not be criticized. Let’s stop right here!”

    As i’ve pointed out before, no nation has ever treated a large middle man minority as fairly and generously as Anglo-Protestant America. And yet, we have Jewish commenters right here on Unz–people who otherwise appear to be intelligent–prattling on about Jewish “persecution” Meaning that some WASPs or Catholics somewhere, sometime did a little–feeble–ethnic solidarity stuff … stuff Jews, of course, do all the time. (The Jews still have their Jewish country clubs, btw.)

    I think the reason is this stuff is not top level conscious logic but deeply woven into Jewish character and culture. For 1000+ years, Jews–Ashkenazi–lived amongst de-tribalizing European Christians, but continually rejected integration with them and in fact super-charged their religion and culture with anti-integration, anti-Christian, anti-majority practices and ideology. You get selection: the less hostile, more integrative types … integrated and are my ancestors. The ones still Jewish after 1000+ are selected for tribalism and outgroup hostility.

    You do get some sane outliers–Stephen Miller, Mickey Kaus, Amy Wax types–who whatever their attachment to Judaism are capable of being rational about the “facts on the ground” right now. But these folks are not the norm.

    ~~

    It’s interesting to speculate about what’s going on in the better, alternative “no-Hitler” universe? Do Jews behave any better?

    I think they likely do. But i’d bet if we could peek in over there, the same minoritarion: “nation of immigrants”, “Britain has always been diverse”, “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural”, “That club was ‘restricted’!”, “diversity is our strength!” bullshit would still be spilling out of their mouths. Minoritarianism, majority hostility, is just in the blood. However, they wouldn’t have the Holocaust club, or be able to call anyone who wants to keep their nation a “Nazi!”.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    The story of the golem is a parable the Jews refuse to acknowledge.
    , @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.
    , @Anonymous
    Every nation that has ever hosted a Jewish minority has considered itself tolerant of Jews. Every nation where Jews have lived as a minority has been considered antisemitic by them. This will never change.
  104. @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    “2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence.”

    I respond:

    Do please stop mouthing ridiculous nonsense. The ethnic Jewish population of the United States was never higher than 3%.

    Jewish influence and dominance of American elections is because of their dominance of the US Media and the donor class. It’s reality that CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, all Hollywood studios are dominated by this J media mafia.

    The last White Gentile goy of any prominence owning major news media was the Southerner Ted Turner – when he sold out to Gerald Levin and Time Warner inc – that was all she wrote. This J media mafia had/has near monopoly control – they can incite US wars against Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Russia – incite mobs to try to murder honest White police officers in Ferguson MO, demand unrestricted Saudi Islamic migration, train Saudi Islamists that hate us to become pilots in Florida.

    That’s the way it is.

    • Replies: @halfjew
    Your statement is correct with respect to he 20th century, but Anon is also correct about the future. It wasn't just Jewish oligarch money that led to the domination of the media and the donor class: is was that fact that this tiny percent of the population, most importantly, had an abundance of high IQ members that could staff organizations in a wide variety of fields, all advocating for Jewish interests at all times. There will be very few Jews of the quality seen in the 20th century around 50 years from now: even if the billionaires are still Jewish, at that point they will be more like Saudi royals than what we saw in the last 100 years.

    My generation will be the last generation with a lot of high quality Jews (I'm in my mid-30s). My dorm at an Ivy had tons of Jews, the children of baby boomers (families of 1-2 kids). But the GenXers had even fewer kids, and intermarried more. And yes, in my day, it seemed like more than half of the Jewish guys were dating Asian girls. None of the Jews I went to school with have even had kids, not to mention the fact that that they are intermarried if they are married.

    So the long story short is that in 50 years, there just won't be any Jews around to staff Jewish interest organizations, at least, Jews of the sort of quality that led to the domination of the media, academia, non-profit sector, etc. Today's Hasidic jews are unfortunately not all that bright: yes, the high IQ Ashkenazis have unfortunately genocided themselves in the process of attempting to genocide the goyim.

  105. @anon
    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics.

    Did you persist in reading that fiction? When you were a graduate student would you have continued to fit the world around you into some sort of Procrustean bed of "cowboy world", discarding any facts inconvenient to that narrative? That's where a lot of SJW's live mentally, they persist in seeing the world through the lenses of Harry Potter. Hence the Tweet, which is not merely humor as you assert.

    The Woke do not read the great classics any more than Mao's Red Guards did. They deconstruct them, according to their Wokology.

    I think you have it a bit wrong.

    In certain circles, there is a bit of Geek Chic. That is, people tend to brag about how nerdy they are.

    For example, I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies. One particularly cold room was named after a cold planet in Star Wars. Just Geeks liking to show off.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn’t mean they really believe it. It means they think it’s funny.

    Not just Woke folks do that. I used to work for a local company that named all its conference rooms after local lakes (we have a lot of lakes around here, due to the last Ice Age). The bigger the lake, the bigger the conference room. As a joke, the smallest conference room was the Woebegone room. I talked to the nice HR lady, and she made sure I knew it was a joke. They didn’t really believe such a lake existed. Just as Harry Potter fans don’t really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Geek Chic is nerd stolen valor.
    "I like Star Trek, therefore, you should think of me as a person who can do Laplace transforms."
    , @El Dato

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn’t mean they really believe it. It means they think it’s funny.
     
    I suppose they at least believe in the mapping then, and this alone reveals bubble brain disease.
    , @Lurker
    Harry Potter, Star Wars, Marvel crap, Star Trek and the rest are just too widespread and popular these days. There is no real Geek/Nerd Chic in stuff that obvious and accessible.
  106. @Desiderius
    Well everything is a joke for plausible deniability purposes. Making sense of the world in what literature is for and Potter is the only lit they have.

    My reading of Harry Potter is that the most evil groups are ones that practice strict endogamy. Of course, you’re never supposed to think too much about which groups have historically been the most strict about it…

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    That’s interesting.

    So I suppose characters, cliques, houses, and families can be mapped to religions and/or ideologies.

    Perhaps the Death Eaters are the Maccabees.
  107. @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.

    This is clearly wrong. Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    • Replies: @peterike

    This is clearly wrong. Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.
     
    It's the Benjamins and owning the Narrative platforms that shape the discourse. Also the influence in academia and K-12 education. Even though the schools, even in New York City, aren't full of Jewish teachers like they used to be, the whole education establishment was fully compromised decades ago into uber-minoritarianism and anti-white-wokeness.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

     

    Exactly, which is why Jewish male outbreeding with Asian women isn't going to change anything. You just get more aggressive SJW children with an even bigger moral blindspot, given Chinese indifference to corruption and overall lack of empathy. The Asian-ization of The Narrative platforms is happening right before our eyes.

    The future's gonna be great!
    , @Justvisiting

    Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.
     
    Correct. Look at the UK--0.5%.
    , @Oscar Peterson

    This is clearly wrong. Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.
     
    Yes, agree. It money but more important even than that is the ability to dominate media/academia and determine "the narrative."

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.
     
    Israel is endlessly subsidized. Of course it's doing well economically. All they had to do was abandon the idea of being an agriculture-oriented country, jettison must of the kibbutzim except the ones for tourists and then let the money flow in from Jewry, Inc and the US taxpayer (with various other subsidies extracted from Germany and other hapless goyim.). Take the subsidies away and see how it does.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.
     
    You sound like a character out of The Matrix--the one who basically said, "Just give me a scotch, a steak, and a woman (or the virtual representations of those things) and I'll willingly subordinate myself to you.

    Do you see yourself as nothing more than an atomized individual with no culture or lineage of your own? You are a sad creature.

    And by the way, what happens when the Chinese overlords decide that there is no reason to share billing (much less accept second billing as the Jews would insist,) and avail themselves of the power of the Chinese state to let the Jews know who is really boss on a global level? I guess you'll just go with the flow on that?

    , @Anon
    Some thoughts:

    (1) Your explanation does not hold up. Plenty of groups make political donations -- obviously, not as much money -- but still do not have anywhere near the influence. Jewish influence has derived from one predominant source -- the ability of Ashkenazis to corner the Cultural Commanding Heights (CCH) (entire legal system, higher education, finance, traditional media, entertainment) to create an echo chamber, while still having the plausible deniability that there is no ethnic angle. Or they simply shout it down with allegations of "Jew counting" or "Jew sniffing."

    But as noted, Ashkenazi numbers have collapsed in the past 15 years, and increasingly, they cannot maintain the pipeline to the CCH. BTW, this has already occurred in the Ivy League (Ron's numbers are out of date) and Tech (Zuck is likely the last).

    (2) The bulk of Israel's tech comes from technology transfer. Often when Jewish-owned private equity (like Esptein's bud, Leon Black from Apollo) or VC acquire a company, the ethnic composition of key company officers predictably changes, and miraculously, no-name Israeli startups are acquired. If any other nation were doing this -- like say, China -- we would call it what it is.

    (3) The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli's population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
  108. Dutch anon takes a break from cheesemaking to suggest that video games are not satisfactory as an explanation for the collapse of marriage:
    >Netherlands changes alimony policy
    >after January 1st, women will only get 5 [years] of alimony instead of 12 [years] of free money
    >women are divorcing [en masse] in November and December so they can get the 12 [year] settlement

    >Source:
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/video/53550287/extreme-aanvraag-echtscheidingen-dit-is-de-oorzaak
    https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/nog-snel-even-scheiden-voor-het-einde-van-het-jaar-het-gaat-om-grote-bedragen~a9044021/
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/356583169/scheidingspiek-in-feestmaand

  109. @Paleo Liberal
    I think you have it a bit wrong.

    In certain circles, there is a bit of Geek Chic. That is, people tend to brag about how nerdy they are.

    For example, I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies. One particularly cold room was named after a cold planet in Star Wars. Just Geeks liking to show off.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn't mean they really believe it. It means they think it's funny.

    Not just Woke folks do that. I used to work for a local company that named all its conference rooms after local lakes (we have a lot of lakes around here, due to the last Ice Age). The bigger the lake, the bigger the conference room. As a joke, the smallest conference room was the Woebegone room. I talked to the nice HR lady, and she made sure I knew it was a joke. They didn't really believe such a lake existed. Just as Harry Potter fans don't really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.

    Geek Chic is nerd stolen valor.
    “I like Star Trek, therefore, you should think of me as a person who can do Laplace transforms.”

  110. I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies.

    That is extremely common. They also use Harry Potter rooms now. There might be some lingering Star Trek ones around. Possibly in the last month fifty conference room names were updated to “Mandalorian.”

    Just as Harry Potter fans don’t really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.

    Oh yes they do. And they absolutely think Trump is Voldemort.

  111. @Hypnotoad666

    There are only two possible paths from here: their influence becomes a permanent part of the cultural landscape and we’ll have a society in which certain thoughts and beliefs will be suppressed, or there will be a backlash and the pendulum will swing the other way.
     
    It may also be possible that we end up with two alternate cultures living side-by-side. Basically, a furthering of the Big Sort effect: If you can't beat 'em . . . move away from 'em.

    OTOH, to-date there hasn't been any real move to create alternative conservative institutions, such as a substitute for the left-infested academy, whose credibility has plummeted.

    No, there have been. It’s just the fedgov insists someone has a shotgun an inch shorter than legally allowed or that “child abuse” is occurring and send in the snipers.

  112. @Hypnotoad666

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.
     
    This is clearly wrong. Jews don't exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    This is clearly wrong. Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.

    It’s the Benjamins and owning the Narrative platforms that shape the discourse. Also the influence in academia and K-12 education. Even though the schools, even in New York City, aren’t full of Jewish teachers like they used to be, the whole education establishment was fully compromised decades ago into uber-minoritarianism and anti-white-wokeness.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    Exactly, which is why Jewish male outbreeding with Asian women isn’t going to change anything. You just get more aggressive SJW children with an even bigger moral blindspot, given Chinese indifference to corruption and overall lack of empathy. The Asian-ization of The Narrative platforms is happening right before our eyes.

    The future’s gonna be great!

  113. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    What about Liberty University?

    It is in the process of being converged.

    Or perhaps BYU?

    Lol. You don’t know any Mormons, or anyone who has ever been to BYU, obviously. Might as well write “or Pepperdine?”, too.

    Yes, those are religiously affiliated, but many of the most liberal colleges were founded by religious organizations in previous centuries.

    Oberlin was founded by Presbyterians who were chased up a tree by a bear about 200 years ago. They would not recognize the place now. Just like Harvard, in a way, or a bunch of other schools.

    Look, Doctor Tenured Liberal, any college that takes one dime of Federal money will become converged because of Federal pressure. Hillsdale and Grove City are holdouts, yeah ok, but they are under different pressures.

    Generations of liberals have done their job on US universities. Dogmatic, anti-intellectual Wokeness is just one result. You guys won! Enjoy the results!

  114. @anon
    There is even Harry Potter themed porn. Look for yourself.

    I’ll take your word for it.

  115. @Hypnotoad666

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.
     
    This is clearly wrong. Jews don't exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Correct. Look at the UK–0.5%.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  116. @George
    "Look what they put under Tulsi."

    Is Gabbard too good looking to get women's support? She's the girl other girls hated in High School.

    "Disappointed that she was put on a waitlist at a top university, she and the counselors were reviewing Scattergrams, charts on admission data, showing that some students with less academic qualifications than hers were accepted"

    Charles Dickens's advice to American Jews from beyond the grave: Being the smartest Jew at Ohio State, result happiness. Being the dumbest Jew at Harvard, result misery.

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/90487-annual-income-twenty-pounds-annual-expenditure-nineteen-six-result-happiness

    But The Ohio State University is a- A PUBLIC SCHOOL!

  117. @Altai
    OT: I just saw this and it still amazes me 16 years after Iraq that supposed progressives are doing this. There is a whole cohort of these people. Where do they come from?

    https://i.redd.it/kpimxzathmd31.jpg

    Look what they put under Tulsi.

    They were smart enough to leave out Hillary. So they’re not THAT stupid. Nobody wants an Epstein necktie this Christmas.

  118. @Harry Baldwin
    Cory Booker may be a high quality person, but there was nothing in his campaign that would make you think so. All I can recall is his concern for "African American trans-Americans" and unreflective complaints about high incarceration rates for blacks.

    I was talking about higher quality people than Booker and his fellow Presidential aspirations, and Senators for that matter. People like Booker are what we get with such a dumb electorate.

  119. paraphrasing that famous German Pastor: first they came for the racists, and i said nothing, then they came for the conservatives and trump supporters, and i said nothing, then they came for the regular gentiles and i still said nothing, then they came for me and no one left to speak for me.

  120. @Anonymouse
    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?

    Anonymouse, what’s the point of this?

    Sure, “most Jews”, just like most of any group, aren’t the movers and shakers. And sure there are cheap labor shills of all stripes. But denying minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology is ridiculous.

    First off, there’s the game theory 101 point that balkanization is in the interest of a middle man minority–easier penetration. Secondly the historic majority/Christian hostility/contempt of Jews (Ashkenazim) is non-mythical. But most obviously … Jews are out there waving the minoritarian–“multiculturalism”, “diversity”, “nation of immigrants”–24x7x365. Way out of proportion to their numbers, including numbers in elite media. Enough that it is obvious to any fair-minded neutral observer. And furthermore lots of these Jews–and mainstream Jewish organizations!–advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. “Who we are as Jews.” (So you don’t have to take the word of an “anti-Semite” like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    Jews denying the Jewish role creating and pushing minoritarian ideology is like blacks denying black criminality. (Or like Irish–or American Indians–denying their people’s drinking issues. Or for that matter us gentile whites denying our openess and altruism has gotten us rolled and we need to toughen up.) It’s dindhuism.

    The same message as to blacks who don’t like being “profiled”. Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don’t like the profile … fix your community!

    • Agree: Thea, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The same message as to blacks who don’t like being “profiled”. Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don’t like the profile … fix your community!
     
    The complaint wasn't discrimination, it was insufficient discrimination. That's what the "not all", or "not me", argument is about.

    How does one counter the "all men are rapists [except Bill Clinton]" claim, if "not all" is bogus?
    , @Anonymouse
    >And furthermore lots of these Jews–and mainstream Jewish organizations!–advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. “Who we are as Jews.” (So you don’t have to take the word of an “anti-Semite” like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    I am used to hearing Pelosi and other democratic moralists tell us "That's not who we are" or "That's who we are." On the other hand, I am not aware of jewish organizations or individuals bragging on their jewishishness as the basis for tearing down the racist, xenophobic West. If that is the case, please provide links to back up your assertion. I suspect that as an anti-semite - your words - you are just projecting your hate.
  121. Somewhat OT (but related to the subject of white/black relations):

    https://theothermccain.com/2019/12/16/she-paid-the-toll-so-to-speak/

    “The Profane Feminist” posted an anti-male diatribe on Twitter after her sister was murdered by her boyfriend (who then blew his brains out). The boyfriend’s skin was rich in melanin.

    Remember, boys and girls: When a black man does something bad, all men are to blame; when a white man does something bad, white men are to blame.

    Now it’s time for the test.

    Feminism 101 Final Exam

    1. All of the evils of the world are caused by:

    a) White men
    b) Pasty-ass cracka dudes
    c) Melanin-deficient males
    d) All of the above

    2. White men should be:

    a) Eliminated
    b) Exterminated
    c) Liquidated
    d) All of the above

    3. Fat women are:

    a) Beautiful
    b) Awesome
    c) Bodacious
    d) All of the above

  122. @AnotherDad

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not.
     
    Jews as a middle man minority have radically different interests than the nation's people, specifically the more balkanized the nation, the more penetrable, the easier it is to accumulate power and the less fear of an organized majority.

    But to a casual observer it does seem weird that Jews will not take their foot off the gas pedal. Say "Hey, we've hit the sweet spot, we are rich, powerful, in control and can not be criticized. Let's stop right here!"

    As i've pointed out before, no nation has ever treated a large middle man minority as fairly and generously as Anglo-Protestant America. And yet, we have Jewish commenters right here on Unz--people who otherwise appear to be intelligent--prattling on about Jewish "persecution" Meaning that some WASPs or Catholics somewhere, sometime did a little--feeble--ethnic solidarity stuff ... stuff Jews, of course, do all the time. (The Jews still have their Jewish country clubs, btw.)

    I think the reason is this stuff is not top level conscious logic but deeply woven into Jewish character and culture. For 1000+ years, Jews--Ashkenazi--lived amongst de-tribalizing European Christians, but continually rejected integration with them and in fact super-charged their religion and culture with anti-integration, anti-Christian, anti-majority practices and ideology. You get selection: the less hostile, more integrative types ... integrated and are my ancestors. The ones still Jewish after 1000+ are selected for tribalism and outgroup hostility.

    You do get some sane outliers--Stephen Miller, Mickey Kaus, Amy Wax types--who whatever their attachment to Judaism are capable of being rational about the "facts on the ground" right now. But these folks are not the norm.

    ~~

    It's interesting to speculate about what's going on in the better, alternative "no-Hitler" universe? Do Jews behave any better?

    I think they likely do. But i'd bet if we could peek in over there, the same minoritarion: "nation of immigrants", "Britain has always been diverse", "Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural", "That club was 'restricted'!", "diversity is our strength!" bullshit would still be spilling out of their mouths. Minoritarianism, majority hostility, is just in the blood. However, they wouldn't have the Holocaust club, or be able to call anyone who wants to keep their nation a "Nazi!".

    The story of the golem is a parable the Jews refuse to acknowledge.

  123. @AnotherDad

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not.
     
    Jews as a middle man minority have radically different interests than the nation's people, specifically the more balkanized the nation, the more penetrable, the easier it is to accumulate power and the less fear of an organized majority.

    But to a casual observer it does seem weird that Jews will not take their foot off the gas pedal. Say "Hey, we've hit the sweet spot, we are rich, powerful, in control and can not be criticized. Let's stop right here!"

    As i've pointed out before, no nation has ever treated a large middle man minority as fairly and generously as Anglo-Protestant America. And yet, we have Jewish commenters right here on Unz--people who otherwise appear to be intelligent--prattling on about Jewish "persecution" Meaning that some WASPs or Catholics somewhere, sometime did a little--feeble--ethnic solidarity stuff ... stuff Jews, of course, do all the time. (The Jews still have their Jewish country clubs, btw.)

    I think the reason is this stuff is not top level conscious logic but deeply woven into Jewish character and culture. For 1000+ years, Jews--Ashkenazi--lived amongst de-tribalizing European Christians, but continually rejected integration with them and in fact super-charged their religion and culture with anti-integration, anti-Christian, anti-majority practices and ideology. You get selection: the less hostile, more integrative types ... integrated and are my ancestors. The ones still Jewish after 1000+ are selected for tribalism and outgroup hostility.

    You do get some sane outliers--Stephen Miller, Mickey Kaus, Amy Wax types--who whatever their attachment to Judaism are capable of being rational about the "facts on the ground" right now. But these folks are not the norm.

    ~~

    It's interesting to speculate about what's going on in the better, alternative "no-Hitler" universe? Do Jews behave any better?

    I think they likely do. But i'd bet if we could peek in over there, the same minoritarion: "nation of immigrants", "Britain has always been diverse", "Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural", "That club was 'restricted'!", "diversity is our strength!" bullshit would still be spilling out of their mouths. Minoritarianism, majority hostility, is just in the blood. However, they wouldn't have the Holocaust club, or be able to call anyone who wants to keep their nation a "Nazi!".

    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren’t Jewish anymore – their tiny community dissolved into America’s vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now – the “Jewish question” is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won’t be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn’t do so because they were tribal – they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South – they really didn’t have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren’t accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The “tribalism” that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Polish anti-Semitism (and that of its neighbors) followed hundreds of years of coexistence during which the Jews were legally privileged in the Constitution and supported by the nobility. How is any experience in Europe supposed to overwrite all that stuff in the Bible?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God,
     
    They didn't worship "a different God". There is but one God.

    They worshipped the same God, viewed differently, in a different manner. Just as the Mohammedans do.

    It's not His fault that His creation can't agree on anything. Such is free will.
    , @El Dato

    The “tribalism” that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.
     
    My neural-network enhanced predictive AI supercomputer says no.
    , @Coag

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn’t do so because they were tribal – they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South – they really didn’t have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.
     
    Uh that’s the opposite of the reality. Eastern European Jews did not integrate because the rabbis did such a good job of inculcating a sense of tribalism and mental separateness among their young people. Sabbath regulations, kosher practices, guilt trips, etc have always been and will always be used by the community to prevent individuals from becoming too chummy with the gentile neighbors.

    If you want to talk about Poland then in 1759 thousands of Jews, in the wake of a failed false messiah movement, converted en masse to Catholicism, welcomed with open arms by all classes of Polish society. Many even became Polish nobility. Church bells all over the Commonwealth celebrated this stupendous and unbelievable event. Any voluntary conversion of Jews in Europe, including Eastern Europe, was always treated as a propaganda coup for the Christian authorities and ostentatiously celebrated. The problem was, short of major individual or collective psychological traumas (like a failed false messiah movement), very few Jews (or any other person) would be willing to repudiate the practices of their forefathers and casually change religions.

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    So, you're saying it was everyone else's fault. How surprising.

    the “Jewish question” is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won’t be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.
     
    Well, by that point, we'll be Brazil on our way to Zimbabwe so you'll excuse me if I don't find this comforting.

    I'd suggest that you reread AnotherDad's third paragraph, but what's the point.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Most of what you say makes sense, but there will still be non Orthodox Jews. They will all look Asian, though.
    , @Moses

    Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too.
     
    Do you hear hoofbeats? Our fellow Americans are a heartbeat away from transforming into Cossacks to come get us, eh Jack?

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations.
     
    Yes, Jews always integrate and intermarry. It's why Jews still exist as a distinct group after 3,000 years, but any day now they won't. Wait...

    Come on Fellow Jew Jack, with your attitudes we both know your own wife is Jewish. But yeah every other Jew is intermarrying.

    Gimme a break.

    , @silviosilver
    Moshe Kantor is the head of the European Jewish Congress.

    Moshe Kantor firmly believes that assimilation is an existential and urgent threat to European Jewry
     
    That's interesting. Why does he call it a threat rather an opportunity, if Jews have been as historically keen to integrate as you claim?
    , @jbwilson24
    ". Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations."

    Bollocks. Some did, some didn't. Enough retained their own ethnic identity to cause major problems. Even when intermarrying, a lot of them did so strategically to capture positions of power (e.g., the English aristocracy).

    Why do you exclude Poland? After all, Poland had Europe's largest Jewish population per capita before WW2, because that's where most of the 6 million allegedly came from.

    Simply go read one of the hundreds of books written by Jews who lived in Poland before WW2. They will tell you outright that there was NO assimilation or intermarriage. Jewish parents would expel Jewish girls who dared date Polish or Belorussian boys. They would spit on gravestones and in front of churches, refusing any form of contact but commercial exchanges. This is not even remotely debatable given how the sheer number of autobiographies back it up.

    Hungary was likely the same, and we all know how well they 'integrated' in the Russian Empire.

    "Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in."

    False. They took over the English aristocracy. Go read Burke's peerage, or Pines "Tales of the British Aristocracy"

    "And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren’t Jewish anymore"

    Evidence please.

    , @houston 1992
    Jack: is there anything that we can do to accelerate the learning/detribalisation process? There is a race condition now: will AJs become less antagonistic towards the old ethnic core before the country dissolves....what happens first? BTW do you think that Gentiles even have aright to notice their own peril or try to do something about it?
    You seem to be saying that Jewish nature must run its course......who made up that rule? Does every ethnic group have a right to "run its course?"

    Jack: let your kin know that the US is not forever, and may not even another 10 years, and to re-purpose the Beatles "The love you take = the love you make [towards the old ethnic core.]
    , @Medvedev
    Essentially Jews had a choice:
    1. Keep to themselves, preserving their religion, traditions and living on a 'reservation/ghetto'.
    2. Convert and join the mainstream society and be equal to them.
    Jews had a privilege of choice Whites nowadays lack. Neither they can keep to themselves and live on a reservation (diversity will find and haunt you cause the area is too White), nor they can join the mainstream. No mater how woke they try to be they will be labelled as evil Whitey who need to constantly redeem their sins by being allies.
    As for the lack of right among Jews or 'pogroms'. Jews enjoyed higher position and privilege in Polish society than Christian Orthodox brothers: poor peasants in Belarussia and Ukraine.
  124. @Hypnotoad666

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.
     
    This is clearly wrong. Jews don't exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    This is clearly wrong. Jews don’t exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Yes, agree. It money but more important even than that is the ability to dominate media/academia and determine “the narrative.”

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Israel is endlessly subsidized. Of course it’s doing well economically. All they had to do was abandon the idea of being an agriculture-oriented country, jettison must of the kibbutzim except the ones for tourists and then let the money flow in from Jewry, Inc and the US taxpayer (with various other subsidies extracted from Germany and other hapless goyim.). Take the subsidies away and see how it does.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    You sound like a character out of The Matrix–the one who basically said, “Just give me a scotch, a steak, and a woman (or the virtual representations of those things) and I’ll willingly subordinate myself to you.

    Do you see yourself as nothing more than an atomized individual with no culture or lineage of your own? You are a sad creature.

    And by the way, what happens when the Chinese overlords decide that there is no reason to share billing (much less accept second billing as the Jews would insist,) and avail themselves of the power of the Chinese state to let the Jews know who is really boss on a global level? I guess you’ll just go with the flow on that?

  125. @10021
    My Son graduated from the most competitive NYC specialized HS 2 years ago. (35% martic. to Ivy plus MIT/Stan) He's a Jock. Goes now to a top 10 undergrad. Math major with Stats minor. White Conservative Christian.

    First - He described the SJWs environment at his school as being obsessively supported by (Jewish) administration and faculty. He also described the SJW students as social lepers who became SJW only because 'they never got invited to any parties'.

    Second - He and his fellow jocks understood immediately that the SJW were taboo. They decent kids learned to stay clear of any of the SJW subjects. Whenever a SJW subject came up, the Jocks simply kept their heads down and STFU. I suspect the older jocks must have had some quiet conversations with the younger players. It reminded me of stories I read about the worst Soviet or Jacobian purges.

    If you want to live you say nothing.

    Third - You have no idea how rigged elite college admissions is these days. Check out who runs the admissions offices of every elite school. Its disgusting and criminal. The negro . mexican, and samoan quotas are only designed to distract Whites from realizing the real quota is for the Tribe.

    the real quota is for the Tribe.

    Apparently the admissions officers at the schools that the Jewish girl in the article didn’t get into didn’t get the memo. Maybe the girl forgot to give them the secret handshake at her school interviews?

    If you want to live you say nothing.

    They are literally threatening that girl’s life now. Apparently, failure to be totally on board with Affirmative Action is a capital offense in her school. I don’t know the circumstances whereby she thought she was having a private and confidential conversation with her guidance counselor and a Negro “overheard” her. Teenage girls are not always paragons of discretion.

  126. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Polish anti-Semitism (and that of its neighbors) followed hundreds of years of coexistence during which the Jews were legally privileged in the Constitution and supported by the nobility. How is any experience in Europe supposed to overwrite all that stuff in the Bible?

  127. @Desiderius
    So you're sore at Jews doing the same thing you are? Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we're both concerned about. It's not about Jew vs White, it's about kids losing their roots.

    And if you're going to show how with it you are by linking sociological studies you might want to try one that wasn't written before this girl was even born.

    Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we’re both concerned about. It’s not about Jew vs White, it’s about kids losing their roots.

    The fact that this girl is being made a cause celebre by the center right media, as a Jewish girl specifically, rather than just “white,” proves you wrong. The organized Jewish community in America is a colossal network of hundreds of organizations, with major clout inside of the establishment. To suggest that young Jews are experiencing the same lack of support from their own ethnic community and lack of access to institutional power that young whites are experiencing is preposterous.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Pericles
    National headline: "Jew doesn't get into Ivy League! Future of Zionism threatened -- Nazis to blame"

    I mean, that's basically the same as yet another midwestern top student getting quietly and routinely rejected, isn't it?
  128. @danand

    “I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.”
     
    Arclight, maybe you’re right concerning the apogee; but as of today the kosher paper of record has yet another reason for joyous celebration:

    Black Women Now Hold Crowns in 5 Major Beauty Pageants

    Toni-Ann Singh of Jamaica won the Miss World pageant on Saturday. Black women also hold the 2019 crowns of Miss Teen USA, Miss America, Miss USA and Miss Universe.”
     
    https://flic.kr/p/2i1bYsL

    5 out of 5. I guess there are no beautiful white women left. What will they do to top this next year? From now on, all pageant winners will have to be black or it will be evidence of racist regression. Maybe next year all the runner ups will be black too. Also Miss Congeniality will have to be black because to do otherwise implies that black women are not congenial. Black women are nothing if not congenial – they are known for their congeniality as well as their beauty.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    I can find 10 Instagram PAWGs that would blow any one of those out of the water in five minutes.
    , @Anon
    White women who compete in these things tend to be ultra-competitive. If black women keeping winning just because they're black, the white women will leave entirely, and no one will care about the pageant at all if there's no white women there anymore.
  129. You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting. You have a mess of derivative bad actors, which would be black youths and various others listening to Demetrius Greene. Suspend the student for a month, fire Demetrius Greene, and tell irate students that they’re not in charge of the school. If they persist in behaving as if they were, you expel them and tell their irate parents to go ahead and sue. All of this goes on because the principal permits it, the deputy superintendent for something-or-other permits it, the superintendent permits it, and the mayor permits it. You likely have an appellate judge somewhere who insisted you have to permit it (because a previous superintendent told legal counsel to throw the case). The state legislature, the governor, and the mayor could repair this problem, but they do nothing.

    • Agree: Jack D, Ed
    • Replies: @Jack D
    This goes back a long way - see my comment on the other thread about the Columbia gym in Morningside Park in 1968. They should have nipped this crap in the bud. Now it's an accepted way of getting what you want and there's no downside. You scream like a spoiled toddler and you are rewarded for it. And just like the spoiled toddler, it's the adults' fault for enabling them. Not that there are any real adults left in the room.

    As you say, many times it's collusion - the authorities actually AGREE with the protesters demands and the "settlement" is really collusion. This is how I expect the lawsuit over abolishing the SAT at UC to go. This is a nice way to get around the will of the voters too - some judge decides that whatever the voters want is really unconstitutional so it doesn't make a difference what that bunch of racists want.
    , @Jane Plain
    "You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting."

    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has "five sources" who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    I'm not saying Shapiro is right, just reporting what she tweets.

    I'd like to ask Eliza Shapiro whether teenagers ever concoct coordinated stories.
    , @Jane Plain
    Well they could, but they won't. So what's a Jewish parent to do? Take his kid out of the Beacon school and move to Beacon.
    , @Anon
    Let the liberals eat their own.

    Pop the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the shit show.

  130. @Abe
    I am adjacently involved in the admissions process of The Best University on Earth, so can comment on the fact this is a real thing, Blacks who are simply not up to par do not get in despite intersectional bonuses such as immigrant background or being a basically decent kid despite screw-up parents and chaos at home (they get in to good schools the next 1 or 2 rungs down). But if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission as compared to Asian/white candidates with identical or slightly better numbers who are basically helpless Powerball number watchers, hoping to get called up through sheer dumb luck. Last year I saw the kid sister of such a black candidate get admission too, forming a sort of family dynasty. These kids were nice and smart, but white/Asian kids in their same league get accepted at well below 10% rates, so what are the chances of going 2-for-2?

    This is overall, though, great news, wonderful news! When girls who “if Michael Bloomberg had a grand-niece she’d look like her” start getting social media death threats for speaking what are indisputable public facts, you know the Wokening’s days are numbered. Just wait til Uncle Mikey goes full Bernie Goetz!

    Indeed, In the late 80s/early 90s there was a lot of conflict between Jews and blacks. Some high-profile Jews were starting to talk like Jared Taylor (well, maybe JT lite) in regard to blacks. I thought this would be a trend but it just fizzled. Ed Koch, Richard Cohen, Norman Podhoertz and others mostly stopped talking about blacks in the late 90s. One who kept on talking was Eric Briendel of the NY Post, but he died young in the late 1990s.

    The trend I see now is for Jews to insist they are non-white “POCs.” They can lecture and hector whites in this way. But intimidating whites is easy and nothing to brag about. Whites almost never fight back physically or verbally. Needless to say, blacks are having none of this from (fellow POCs).

  131. @danand

    “I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.”
     
    Arclight, maybe you’re right concerning the apogee; but as of today the kosher paper of record has yet another reason for joyous celebration:

    Black Women Now Hold Crowns in 5 Major Beauty Pageants

    Toni-Ann Singh of Jamaica won the Miss World pageant on Saturday. Black women also hold the 2019 crowns of Miss Teen USA, Miss America, Miss USA and Miss Universe.”
     
    https://flic.kr/p/2i1bYsL

    It can and will get worse. Of course, white girls are the prettiest but are not allowed to win these contests anymore. These black beauty pageant winners are now usually mulattoes/high yellas and at least act and speak kinda white-ish.

    Soon blacks and SJWs will say that these women are acting white and are mixed or have white-ish features. Soon – very soon – these pageant winners will have to look, act and speak like Lizzo.

    I am not saying this as a joke.

  132. @Arclight
    Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they'd do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it's hard not to notice that DC's demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That's not an accident.

    It's easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it's your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    There’s some truth to this as Affirmative Action polls fairly poorly with young people. Still I think with the schools, corporations and mass culture the diversity cult will grind on. The elite schools in NYC days are numbered. The Dems are in full control of the state. The SAT will be outlawed in California within a few years.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There is a hard core of dead enders for affirmative bigotry because certain people know they are lost without it: therefore the issue is how many whites have become benighted, but can be shown the light. Convince more whites and East Asians, and we can ignore the dead enders.
    , @Arclight
    A lot of this depends on a) how quickly Latinos displace blacks as the 2nd largest source of Democratic votes and b) how long the left hangs onto the idea that black political demands need to be humored over that of the ascendant Latinos and what remains of the white Democratic vote.

    I don't get the sense that Latinos are nearly as animated by the anti-white rhetoric that gets blacks and woke whites fired up, and once they are established as more electorally important than blacks, there is almost no chance they will be nearly as deferential to black political wishes as the white voters they are replacing on the left have been. This should set off some fun fireworks though.

    Unfortunately, all this will take 25 years to develop so there's a lot of madness still in front of us.
  133. @Ed
    There’s some truth to this as Affirmative Action polls fairly poorly with young people. Still I think with the schools, corporations and mass culture the diversity cult will grind on. The elite schools in NYC days are numbered. The Dems are in full control of the state. The SAT will be outlawed in California within a few years.

    There is a hard core of dead enders for affirmative bigotry because certain people know they are lost without it: therefore the issue is how many whites have become benighted, but can be shown the light. Convince more whites and East Asians, and we can ignore the dead enders.

  134. Alexa, switch over to “auto-Semitic” mode. I’m pretty sure these comments write themselves.

  135. @nglaer
    Indian's I'm guessing don't benefit from affirmative action. Isn't that widely known?

    They do in government contracting though. In terms of colleges, it depends, yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up but the kids of a cab driver from day Jackson Heights would.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I'm assuming that by "Indians" you mean subcons here...

    "your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents..."

    There are no Indian-Americans, there is no such thing. There certainly are Paperwork-Americans. There are subcon people with the correctly filed paperwork identifying them as legal holders of US passports, and presumably they have legal voting rights and jury obligations and so forth; but there are no Indian-Americans. That is not a thing. Perhaps it will be a thing one day, some time in the future, but right now, it is not.
    , @Jack D

    yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up
     
    You're sure about that now? Say you are an application reader at some Ivy school. You are probably yourself a recent grad and SJWish in your politics. If you are not yourself non-white, many of your friends are and you consider yourself to be a sort of honorary non-white, nothing like the deporable white people who vote for Trump.

    Let's say that you're reading the applications of two kids who are applying from the same suburban school in NJ. Their parents even have similar occupations and incomes. Their grades and SAT scores are about the same. But lets say Applicant A is named Deepak and Applicant B is Todd. Don't you like Deepak just a wee bit better than Todd, even before getting into their respective interests? You're not 100% sure that Todd is some kind of Lax bro/future bond trader but you kind of suspect it based on his essays (you see right thru his bullshit obligatory " What the kids taught me when I volunteered at an orphanage in Costa Rica" essay), while Deepak looks to be the kind of guy you might see at at Bernie Sanders rally and his essay is about how he is going to become an ophthalmologist and restore vision to the blind beggar children of Mumbai.

  136. @Anonymouse
    Jews will never change? If true - which it isn't nor can be - how did they change into believing themselves woke Caucasian SJWarriors from their previous sense of themselves as jews and not Caucasians?

    New class. Their hereditary position depends on woke. See any Brooklyn hipster.

  137. instructor Demetrius Green

    Is that shade Sherwin-Williams, Dutch Boy, or Benjamin Moore?

    Whichever, it sounds Greek.

  138. @Ed
    They do in government contracting though. In terms of colleges, it depends, yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up but the kids of a cab driver from day Jackson Heights would.

    I’m assuming that by “Indians” you mean subcons here…

    “your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents…”

    There are no Indian-Americans, there is no such thing. There certainly are Paperwork-Americans. There are subcon people with the correctly filed paperwork identifying them as legal holders of US passports, and presumably they have legal voting rights and jury obligations and so forth; but there are no Indian-Americans. That is not a thing. Perhaps it will be a thing one day, some time in the future, but right now, it is not.

  139. @AnotherDad

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?
     
    Anonymouse, what's the point of this?

    Sure, "most Jews", just like most of any group, aren't the movers and shakers. And sure there are cheap labor shills of all stripes. But denying minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology is ridiculous.

    First off, there's the game theory 101 point that balkanization is in the interest of a middle man minority--easier penetration. Secondly the historic majority/Christian hostility/contempt of Jews (Ashkenazim) is non-mythical. But most obviously ... Jews are out there waving the minoritarian--"multiculturalism", "diversity", "nation of immigrants"--24x7x365. Way out of proportion to their numbers, including numbers in elite media. Enough that it is obvious to any fair-minded neutral observer. And furthermore lots of these Jews--and mainstream Jewish organizations!--advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. "Who we are as Jews." (So you don't have to take the word of an "anti-Semite" like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    Jews denying the Jewish role creating and pushing minoritarian ideology is like blacks denying black criminality. (Or like Irish--or American Indians--denying their people's drinking issues. Or for that matter us gentile whites denying our openess and altruism has gotten us rolled and we need to toughen up.) It's dindhuism.

    The same message as to blacks who don't like being "profiled". Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don't like the profile ... fix your community!

    The same message as to blacks who don’t like being “profiled”. Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don’t like the profile … fix your community!

    The complaint wasn’t discrimination, it was insufficient discrimination. That’s what the “not all”, or “not me”, argument is about.

    How does one counter the “all men are rapists [except Bill Clinton]” claim, if “not all” is bogus?

    • Replies: @SFG
    "Not all" isn't bogus, not even close to a majority of men are rapists.

    "Not all men" is only bogus for feminists. We're not required to accept their arguments.
  140. @Art Deco
    You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting. You have a mess of derivative bad actors, which would be black youths and various others listening to Demetrius Greene. Suspend the student for a month, fire Demetrius Greene, and tell irate students that they're not in charge of the school. If they persist in behaving as if they were, you expel them and tell their irate parents to go ahead and sue. All of this goes on because the principal permits it, the deputy superintendent for something-or-other permits it, the superintendent permits it, and the mayor permits it. You likely have an appellate judge somewhere who insisted you have to permit it (because a previous superintendent told legal counsel to throw the case). The state legislature, the governor, and the mayor could repair this problem, but they do nothing.

    This goes back a long way – see my comment on the other thread about the Columbia gym in Morningside Park in 1968. They should have nipped this crap in the bud. Now it’s an accepted way of getting what you want and there’s no downside. You scream like a spoiled toddler and you are rewarded for it. And just like the spoiled toddler, it’s the adults’ fault for enabling them. Not that there are any real adults left in the room.

    As you say, many times it’s collusion – the authorities actually AGREE with the protesters demands and the “settlement” is really collusion. This is how I expect the lawsuit over abolishing the SAT at UC to go. This is a nice way to get around the will of the voters too – some judge decides that whatever the voters want is really unconstitutional so it doesn’t make a difference what that bunch of racists want.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    Kvetch, kvetch, kvetch. Are you telling us anything we don't know?

    "Should have"

    Well, they didn't and as I said to Deco, they won't.

    Blacks get whatever they want. They're like the cowardly lion with no real bite, but there's no Dorothy around to slap them on the nose and expose them for the empty suits they are, so the beat goes on.

    The only time they lose is in the legal arena, which still has rules, no matter how much the people here whine that it doesn't. But this is not the law, this is politics, and politics is theater.

    The only answer is to take your kids to an area where there are no blacks. Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.
  141. @Laurence Whelk

    But the teacher asked, “What is that going to do? Students before you, before I, have done the same thing, and nothing has happened.” …
     
    I am sure it is nearly impossible to fire a black "educator" in NYC, but I consider Mr. Brown's... ah, pardon, Mr. Green's abuse of the English language sufficient grounds for the immediate termination of his employment, without even taking into account his act of educational sedition.

    That’s even before you begin analyzing what’s being said here.

    > have done the same thing

    What exactly?

    > and nothing has happened

    We just all be slaves to the white man.

  142. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God,

    They didn’t worship “a different God”. There is but one God.

    They worshipped the same God, viewed differently, in a different manner. Just as the Mohammedans do.

    It’s not His fault that His creation can’t agree on anything. Such is free will.

  143. @Paleo Liberal
    I think you have it a bit wrong.

    In certain circles, there is a bit of Geek Chic. That is, people tend to brag about how nerdy they are.

    For example, I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies. One particularly cold room was named after a cold planet in Star Wars. Just Geeks liking to show off.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn't mean they really believe it. It means they think it's funny.

    Not just Woke folks do that. I used to work for a local company that named all its conference rooms after local lakes (we have a lot of lakes around here, due to the last Ice Age). The bigger the lake, the bigger the conference room. As a joke, the smallest conference room was the Woebegone room. I talked to the nice HR lady, and she made sure I knew it was a joke. They didn't really believe such a lake existed. Just as Harry Potter fans don't really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn’t mean they really believe it. It means they think it’s funny.

    I suppose they at least believe in the mapping then, and this alone reveals bubble brain disease.

  144. @AnotherDad

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?
     
    Anonymouse, what's the point of this?

    Sure, "most Jews", just like most of any group, aren't the movers and shakers. And sure there are cheap labor shills of all stripes. But denying minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology is ridiculous.

    First off, there's the game theory 101 point that balkanization is in the interest of a middle man minority--easier penetration. Secondly the historic majority/Christian hostility/contempt of Jews (Ashkenazim) is non-mythical. But most obviously ... Jews are out there waving the minoritarian--"multiculturalism", "diversity", "nation of immigrants"--24x7x365. Way out of proportion to their numbers, including numbers in elite media. Enough that it is obvious to any fair-minded neutral observer. And furthermore lots of these Jews--and mainstream Jewish organizations!--advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. "Who we are as Jews." (So you don't have to take the word of an "anti-Semite" like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    Jews denying the Jewish role creating and pushing minoritarian ideology is like blacks denying black criminality. (Or like Irish--or American Indians--denying their people's drinking issues. Or for that matter us gentile whites denying our openess and altruism has gotten us rolled and we need to toughen up.) It's dindhuism.

    The same message as to blacks who don't like being "profiled". Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don't like the profile ... fix your community!

    >And furthermore lots of these Jews–and mainstream Jewish organizations!–advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. “Who we are as Jews.” (So you don’t have to take the word of an “anti-Semite” like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    I am used to hearing Pelosi and other democratic moralists tell us “That’s not who we are” or “That’s who we are.” On the other hand, I am not aware of jewish organizations or individuals bragging on their jewishishness as the basis for tearing down the racist, xenophobic West. If that is the case, please provide links to back up your assertion. I suspect that as an anti-semite – your words – you are just projecting your hate.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

    I'd love to turn you on.
    , @bigdicknick
    Anonymouse: the ADL is a strongly committed Zionist(basically a form of white nationalism) organization. It's also a strongly committed open borders(for Europe and USA) organization. What explains the frothing at the mouth commitment to two seemingly opposite views?

    One very simple explanation is that the ADL is concerned with tribal self interest rather than philosophical ideas. Is there another explanation?

    Also, Jews are not the vast majority of rich people, but they are the vast majority of the top democrat donors. What's your explanation for that?
  145. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    The “tribalism” that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    My neural-network enhanced predictive AI supercomputer says no.

  146. @Anonymouse
    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?

    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing.

    Nearly 70 percent of Jews support comprehensive immigration reform, according to a survey released by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution in March 2013.

    And it is always thus, this was just the first such bit of information I found from a quick search.
    From here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/why-immigration-reform-is-a-jewish-issue/430806/

  147. This Jew takes solace in the fact that leftist Jews have very low below replacement levels of fertility.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  148. I don’t think this will change the hearts and minds of Jewish journalists. The real threat is always White Christian Antisemitism, which means you have to ignore or make excuses for black Antisemitism (unless of course, they support the BDS movement).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I have been joylessly saying for a while now that Jews ought to start paying attention to black on white violence if only for their own safety, especially when years ago the knockout game culminated in an assault on an elderly orthodox man and a minor New York politician (not Jewish), and a representative of the Orthodox community said in total seriousness to CNN: "and as far as I know, this is only happening to Jews!" It is long past time to jettison anti-Semitism as a meaningful category. Its prioritization blinds people to physical danger and to non-physical crime like Affirmative Bigotry. What should be monitored is civility/whiteness. As whiteness/civility declines, the acceptability of physical violence increases. There truly is no "anti-Semitism" in the animal who decides to suckerpunch an elderly Haredi man. If you asked him, he'd respond, "He white. Look at he skin."
  149. @Ed
    They do in government contracting though. In terms of colleges, it depends, yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up but the kids of a cab driver from day Jackson Heights would.

    yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up

    You’re sure about that now? Say you are an application reader at some Ivy school. You are probably yourself a recent grad and SJWish in your politics. If you are not yourself non-white, many of your friends are and you consider yourself to be a sort of honorary non-white, nothing like the deporable white people who vote for Trump.

    Let’s say that you’re reading the applications of two kids who are applying from the same suburban school in NJ. Their parents even have similar occupations and incomes. Their grades and SAT scores are about the same. But lets say Applicant A is named Deepak and Applicant B is Todd. Don’t you like Deepak just a wee bit better than Todd, even before getting into their respective interests? You’re not 100% sure that Todd is some kind of Lax bro/future bond trader but you kind of suspect it based on his essays (you see right thru his bullshit obligatory ” What the kids taught me when I volunteered at an orphanage in Costa Rica” essay), while Deepak looks to be the kind of guy you might see at at Bernie Sanders rally and his essay is about how he is going to become an ophthalmologist and restore vision to the blind beggar children of Mumbai.

    • Replies: @Ed
    I think they make some allowances for poor Asians obviously not anywhere they do for blacks overall but allowances are made.
  150. @Jake
    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not. Your helping them evade messes they created to ensnare you will only embolden them in knowing that they can con and use you forever.

    And that they will do.

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you.

    This is why I support BDS and, similarly, why I support Trans women in sports. Let them get what they wanted, good and hard.

  151. @CAL2
    It is the only thing they have read. Other people might use well known references to movies like LotR, Star Wars, or Star Trek. Meanwhile, they map their entire existence onto that series.

    [Off-Topic; tangents of tangets, within tangents…]

    In response to your mention of Star Trek, I wonder if anyone here is familiar with what may have served as the inspiration for that iconic series: The Voyage of the Scarlet Queen

    See the review by “DougLeary” (dated March 26, 2011) on the Archive dot org page linked above. Excerpts:

    When Voyage of the Scarlet Queen aired in 1947-48, Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry had recently been discharged from the navy and was trying to break into script writing. Nearly twenty years later the voice of William Shatner would intone his first log entry.

    [MORE]

    Of course the wandering adventurer theme is a common one, but the technical parallels between Scarlet Queen and Star Trek have always made me think the adventures of Phil Kearney and Red Gallagher must have planted seeds in young Roddenberry’s mind.

    Incidentally, I would suggest that parents and others in a position to influence the young might do well to attempt to cultivate in them an interest in such vintage cultural offerings as old time radio.

    From the review on the same page linked-above by “oatka” (June 19, 2013):

    A bunch of us kids used to listen to this show back in 1950 and we always had arguments about the people in the show and the situations – and dreamed of doing the same thing someday.

    The first time I listened to the first show this week and heard “Stand by to make sail!” a TON of memories came flooding back. I’m at the age where I can’t remember something from a week ago, but a few hints from this show and it’s “Oh yeah, I remember that!”.

  152. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn’t do so because they were tribal – they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South – they really didn’t have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Uh that’s the opposite of the reality. Eastern European Jews did not integrate because the rabbis did such a good job of inculcating a sense of tribalism and mental separateness among their young people. Sabbath regulations, kosher practices, guilt trips, etc have always been and will always be used by the community to prevent individuals from becoming too chummy with the gentile neighbors.

    If you want to talk about Poland then in 1759 thousands of Jews, in the wake of a failed false messiah movement, converted en masse to Catholicism, welcomed with open arms by all classes of Polish society. Many even became Polish nobility. Church bells all over the Commonwealth celebrated this stupendous and unbelievable event. Any voluntary conversion of Jews in Europe, including Eastern Europe, was always treated as a propaganda coup for the Christian authorities and ostentatiously celebrated. The problem was, short of major individual or collective psychological traumas (like a failed false messiah movement), very few Jews (or any other person) would be willing to repudiate the practices of their forefathers and casually change religions.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    If you want to talk about Poland then in 1759 thousands of Jews, in the wake of a failed false messiah movement, converted en masse to Catholicism, welcomed with open arms by all classes of Polish society. Many even became Polish nobility. Church bells all over the Commonwealth celebrated this stupendous and unbelievable event. Any voluntary conversion of Jews in Europe, including Eastern Europe, was always treated as a propaganda coup for the Christian authorities and ostentatiously celebrated. The problem was, short of major individual or collective psychological traumas (like a failed false messiah movement), very few Jews (or any other person) would be willing to repudiate the practices of their forefathers and casually change religions.

    If you are referring to the Frankist movement and I think you are, their conversion was not motivated by the collective trauma of a false messiah. They believed more or less that Sabbatai Tzevi was the true or at least a true messiah. Their conversion was motivated by their persecution at the hands of rabbinic Jews, who would not countenance their Heterodoxy. As their was no freedom of conscience in Poland , i.e. if you were Jewish you had to abide by Jewish religious authorities rules , if you were Christian you had to abide by Christian religious authority etc. , their best option was to convert and cut a special deal with Church authorities to gain a great deal of autonomy(they were hardly orthodox Catholics) in exchange for the great propaganda coup they were giving the Church. Pawel Maciejko has written the best history of this episode "The Mixed Multitude: Jacob Frank and the Frankist Movement, 1755-1816".
  153. Anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios.
     
    This is clearly wrong. Jews don't exercise influence through the sheer numbers of their 2% voting block. It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

    Also, I think you are wrong about Israel, which is flourishing economically and demographically at the moment.

    Finally, I personally welcome our new regime of jewish-Chinese overlords and I am hopeful that they will keep a spot for me in their new administration.

    Some thoughts:

    (1) Your explanation does not hold up. Plenty of groups make political donations — obviously, not as much money — but still do not have anywhere near the influence. Jewish influence has derived from one predominant source — the ability of Ashkenazis to corner the Cultural Commanding Heights (CCH) (entire legal system, higher education, finance, traditional media, entertainment) to create an echo chamber, while still having the plausible deniability that there is no ethnic angle. Or they simply shout it down with allegations of “Jew counting” or “Jew sniffing.”

    But as noted, Ashkenazi numbers have collapsed in the past 15 years, and increasingly, they cannot maintain the pipeline to the CCH. BTW, this has already occurred in the Ivy League (Ron’s numbers are out of date) and Tech (Zuck is likely the last).

    (2) The bulk of Israel’s tech comes from technology transfer. Often when Jewish-owned private equity (like Esptein’s bud, Leon Black from Apollo) or VC acquire a company, the ethnic composition of key company officers predictably changes, and miraculously, no-name Israeli startups are acquired. If any other nation were doing this — like say, China — we would call it what it is.

    (3) The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Nico

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
     
    I'm glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he's "right-wing" on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other's throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

  154. @ssohara
    I like Tulsi, even though I don't agree with her 100%, but she seems like a decent person. I actually like Andrew Yang for the same reason. I think he genuinely means well. Same with Rand Paul. His dad, Ron, was one of my favorites. I tend to lean libertarian so I actually agreed with most of his politics and he had integrity. So of course he was called a kook, while the swarmy politicians got a pass no matter what crap they spewed.

    These days Yang is trying to get himself as Joe Biden’s running mate. Joe has hinted he won’t run in 2024 no matter what, so this could be Yang’s grand plan to get the 2024 nomination.

  155. @Jack D

    yes your typical suburban Indian American with affluent parents won’t be getting a hand up
     
    You're sure about that now? Say you are an application reader at some Ivy school. You are probably yourself a recent grad and SJWish in your politics. If you are not yourself non-white, many of your friends are and you consider yourself to be a sort of honorary non-white, nothing like the deporable white people who vote for Trump.

    Let's say that you're reading the applications of two kids who are applying from the same suburban school in NJ. Their parents even have similar occupations and incomes. Their grades and SAT scores are about the same. But lets say Applicant A is named Deepak and Applicant B is Todd. Don't you like Deepak just a wee bit better than Todd, even before getting into their respective interests? You're not 100% sure that Todd is some kind of Lax bro/future bond trader but you kind of suspect it based on his essays (you see right thru his bullshit obligatory " What the kids taught me when I volunteered at an orphanage in Costa Rica" essay), while Deepak looks to be the kind of guy you might see at at Bernie Sanders rally and his essay is about how he is going to become an ophthalmologist and restore vision to the blind beggar children of Mumbai.

    I think they make some allowances for poor Asians obviously not anywhere they do for blacks overall but allowances are made.

  156. @Ed
    There’s some truth to this as Affirmative Action polls fairly poorly with young people. Still I think with the schools, corporations and mass culture the diversity cult will grind on. The elite schools in NYC days are numbered. The Dems are in full control of the state. The SAT will be outlawed in California within a few years.

    A lot of this depends on a) how quickly Latinos displace blacks as the 2nd largest source of Democratic votes and b) how long the left hangs onto the idea that black political demands need to be humored over that of the ascendant Latinos and what remains of the white Democratic vote.

    I don’t get the sense that Latinos are nearly as animated by the anti-white rhetoric that gets blacks and woke whites fired up, and once they are established as more electorally important than blacks, there is almost no chance they will be nearly as deferential to black political wishes as the white voters they are replacing on the left have been. This should set off some fun fireworks though.

    Unfortunately, all this will take 25 years to develop so there’s a lot of madness still in front of us.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Probably the two most influential groups in the last 50 years are Ashkenazi Jews (AJ’s) and Blacks, with the prior driving intellectual life and the latter driving pop culture (while capturing White imagination and sympathy).

    Both groups are undergoing a quiet dissolution. For the AJ’s, it’s literal: they are demographically dying off. For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.

    In California, this is already plain as day. There are now three socioeconomic castes in California:
    - Whites (Whites, NE Asians, upper-crust Spanish-Mexicans, upper-caste Indians)
    - Off-Whites (lower-class tattooed Whites, Middle-Class Mexicans, SE Asians, top 5% of Blacks in largely interracial relationships, and Mestizo Mexicans at the lower end).
    - Blacks

    You will often go weeks without seeing a single Black person (not counting homeless or videos of rampaging black teens), as they have been gentrified out of key areas. Most of the pop culture now caters exclusively to either Whites or Off-Whites (Drake, Steph Curry, WEEKND, Kardashians, Selena Gomez, etc). For the most part, in California, there is no Black identity, as there was in the 90's and prior.

    Give it a decade or so, and this will occur in the rest of the country, aside from maybe the Deep South and some east coast poverty pockets.

  157. What an amusing article.

    A Jewess is apoplectic because she lost out in the affirmative action college admissions game–something that ideological Jewry has done so much to put in place. Very fitting that the Jew taste this cup of bitterness.

    I’ll ask the obvious question: Why would the black student–or any other student–be able to overhear a meeting between a student and two guidance counselors?

    Of course, hell hath no fury like a Jew denied admission to Columbia or wherever. Should we imagine this young Jewess shrieking with rage like the Queen of the Night in The Magic Flute while the “two Jewish guidance counselors” were shuckling back and forth and reciting Kaddish for her hopes of making status-Aliyah?

    Perhaps this minyan-lite was making such a racket that DeAndre al Shabbaz, or whatever the hell the black “student’s” name was, roused himself from his customary stupor and, hearing some outage against the stellar academic performance of African Americans, rushed headlong into the room like Killmonger from The Black Panther yelling “Dat’s Racus!” and other choice expletives that would need translation into English. Subsequently, “teacher” and community activist Demetrius Green–some sort of Al Sharpton wannabe–got the student body all riled up and now it’s Katy bar the door.

    Good God–what a hilarious freak show!

  158. @Kaplan Turqweather
    Keep in mind that many NYC Jews are Ultra-Orthodox "Haredim" who have 6-8 children. In Israel, some Haredim communities have an average age of 10! The recent attack in Jersey City can be attributed to the rapid transition from African-American to Ultra-Orthodox Jewish caused by the high fertility.

    Yeah, 2010s New York is like 1980s Inner London under the Loony Left. The Loony Left were extremely similar to the Woke Left (even down to seeing racism in math):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4AxSG2iiI4&t=130s

    How sad that one can’t for a moment imagine a contemporary Sixty Minutes doing something like this. Morley Safer seems heroic in retrospect. (I knew him slightly).

    • Replies: @Kaplan Turqweather
    Fascinating to hear of your connection.

    It's quite reflective in my opinion what SJWs would look like today if the USSR never collapsed too (especially the part about the "Race Bomb")!
    , @Father O'Hara
    Morley Safer? I knew him. I knew him very well. You dee...we were lovers.
    He was the best I ever had.
  159. @Art Deco
    You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting. You have a mess of derivative bad actors, which would be black youths and various others listening to Demetrius Greene. Suspend the student for a month, fire Demetrius Greene, and tell irate students that they're not in charge of the school. If they persist in behaving as if they were, you expel them and tell their irate parents to go ahead and sue. All of this goes on because the principal permits it, the deputy superintendent for something-or-other permits it, the superintendent permits it, and the mayor permits it. You likely have an appellate judge somewhere who insisted you have to permit it (because a previous superintendent told legal counsel to throw the case). The state legislature, the governor, and the mayor could repair this problem, but they do nothing.

    “You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting.”

    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has “five sources” who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    I’m not saying Shapiro is right, just reporting what she tweets.

    I’d like to ask Eliza Shapiro whether teenagers ever concoct coordinated stories.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has “five sources” who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    It's doubtful that she was 'screaming' in any venue and that she offered the same complaint in different venues doesn't render it false that her meeting with the counselor was interrupted. No clue why you're attempting to advance that thesis.
  160. @Paleo Liberal
    I never understood the animosity some have towards the Harry Potter books.

    Those books got a lot of kids interested in reading.

    I have 4 kids. The two that got into Harry Potter wound up with significantly higher ACT scores than the two that didn’t.

    One of my kids got into a lot of fantasy books afterwards, and had fantastic ACT scores.

    This has always been the case. For example, my older brother’s love of Science Fiction and Fantasy books got him into Columbia (he never set foot in Morningside Park of course), where he majored in comparative literature. So it was the junky books that led him to the great Western classics.

    I started out reading some junky cowboy series. Got me into an elite college as well, where I read many great classics. Were it not for the cowboy series, I may never have read Plato or Descartes.

    Much like soccer or the Greatful Dead, it’s not the product that’s annoying, it’s the fandom.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Excellent point.

    I think I understand now.
  161. @anon
    There is even Harry Potter themed porn. Look for yourself.

    Rule 34, dude.

  162. @Art Deco
    You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting. You have a mess of derivative bad actors, which would be black youths and various others listening to Demetrius Greene. Suspend the student for a month, fire Demetrius Greene, and tell irate students that they're not in charge of the school. If they persist in behaving as if they were, you expel them and tell their irate parents to go ahead and sue. All of this goes on because the principal permits it, the deputy superintendent for something-or-other permits it, the superintendent permits it, and the mayor permits it. You likely have an appellate judge somewhere who insisted you have to permit it (because a previous superintendent told legal counsel to throw the case). The state legislature, the governor, and the mayor could repair this problem, but they do nothing.

    Well they could, but they won’t. So what’s a Jewish parent to do? Take his kid out of the Beacon school and move to Beacon.

  163. @danand

    “I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.”
     
    Arclight, maybe you’re right concerning the apogee; but as of today the kosher paper of record has yet another reason for joyous celebration:

    Black Women Now Hold Crowns in 5 Major Beauty Pageants

    Toni-Ann Singh of Jamaica won the Miss World pageant on Saturday. Black women also hold the 2019 crowns of Miss Teen USA, Miss America, Miss USA and Miss Universe.”
     
    https://flic.kr/p/2i1bYsL

    Miss France comes from Guadaloup

  164. @Anonymouse
    Of course the majority of Jews never did any such thing. If Jews X, Y, Z . . . whose wealth would influence them to favor more immigration to keep wages low, not their jewishness, why then do you defame all Jews?

    Because it is their Jewishness.

    Jews feel safest and most comfortable in a multi-everything society. They stick out less. There’s less chance of a society-wide blacklash against them. And they can play groups off of each other, which Jews are particularly adept at doing.

    Our current situation isn’t an accident.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    The people who keep “naming the Jew” here are all fans of Jeffrey MacDonald, not because he’s a brilliant scholar, but because he’s an anti-Semite.

    MacDonald’s whole “scientific” edifice is “Jewish ethnocentrism.”

    If the Jews were truly ethnocentric, and for MacDonald, they are the most ethnocentric people in existence, they would never marry gentiles. But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    I live in an Irish neighborhood. These people look they just got off the boat. When I used to wait to pick up my kid from elementary school, I’d see all these little Irish kids waiting for their big brothers and sisters to get let out. Half of them looked like my kid’s classmates’ brothers. “Are you so-and-so’s brother?,” I’d ask. The answer was always, “No,” and they weren’t cousins, either. I soon stopped asking, lest anyone accuse me of being a child molester.

    Over 80% of the Irish in my neighborhood marry Irish. Most of the other 20% engage in racial intermarriage, with Italian or German Catholics. That’s why you see some racially ambiguous-looking girls of all ages. The Irish marry Irish, stay Irish, and get their brethren jobs. Such loyalties typically exist only among wealthy Jews, whether Orthodox or non-Orthodox.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.
  165. @nglaer
    How sad that one can't for a moment imagine a contemporary Sixty Minutes doing something like this. Morley Safer seems heroic in retrospect. (I knew him slightly).

    Fascinating to hear of your connection.

    It’s quite reflective in my opinion what SJWs would look like today if the USSR never collapsed too (especially the part about the “Race Bomb”)!

  166. @Jack D
    5 out of 5. I guess there are no beautiful white women left. What will they do to top this next year? From now on, all pageant winners will have to be black or it will be evidence of racist regression. Maybe next year all the runner ups will be black too. Also Miss Congeniality will have to be black because to do otherwise implies that black women are not congenial. Black women are nothing if not congenial - they are known for their congeniality as well as their beauty.

    I can find 10 Instagram PAWGs that would blow any one of those out of the water in five minutes.

  167. @Jack D
    This goes back a long way - see my comment on the other thread about the Columbia gym in Morningside Park in 1968. They should have nipped this crap in the bud. Now it's an accepted way of getting what you want and there's no downside. You scream like a spoiled toddler and you are rewarded for it. And just like the spoiled toddler, it's the adults' fault for enabling them. Not that there are any real adults left in the room.

    As you say, many times it's collusion - the authorities actually AGREE with the protesters demands and the "settlement" is really collusion. This is how I expect the lawsuit over abolishing the SAT at UC to go. This is a nice way to get around the will of the voters too - some judge decides that whatever the voters want is really unconstitutional so it doesn't make a difference what that bunch of racists want.

    Kvetch, kvetch, kvetch. Are you telling us anything we don’t know?

    “Should have”

    Well, they didn’t and as I said to Deco, they won’t.

    Blacks get whatever they want. They’re like the cowardly lion with no real bite, but there’s no Dorothy around to slap them on the nose and expose them for the empty suits they are, so the beat goes on.

    The only time they lose is in the legal arena, which still has rules, no matter how much the people here whine that it doesn’t. But this is not the law, this is politics, and politics is theater.

    The only answer is to take your kids to an area where there are no blacks. Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.

    • Replies: @Stealth

    Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.
     
    I've long believed that blacks are a greater share of the US population than the measly thirteen percent we've been told they are. Everywhere I go, even in places like rural New England, there they are. I don't know if they're being under-counted by the census or what.

    Accordingly, I've never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.
  168. @Laurence Whelk

    The mind reels at the thought of having reached this point in our history, starting with a single ship carrying only 19 black slaves which sailed up the James River 400 years ago.
     
    imagine the money saved, the lives spared, the tragedies averted, the great cities and culture preserved, if our government had put them all on boats back to africa in 1866

    imagine the money saved, the lives spared, the tragedies averted, the great cities and culture preserved, if our government had put them all on boats back to africa in 1866

    Are you kidding?  Washington was RELYING on the tariffs being paid by the South to finance its ambitions, and that would have been impossible if the Africans had been shipped out and there was no one to pick the cotton which provided the export earnings needed to pay them.

    Yankees were tax-farming the ex-slaves as much as the Southrons.  They weren’t going to cut themselves off at the knees, oh no.

  169. @Elli
    I hadn't watched the video. The first student speaking says, "I get that they're laughing in discomfort, but if I had a counselor who looked like me, their reaction wouldn't have been to offer to laugh, their reaction would have been to punish that student."

    No venting in the guidance office when a college rejects you, and breaks your heart, smashes your ego, and destroys your future, as the teenage mind sees it.

    You will be punished.

    The assumption of punitive race-solidarity is loathsome. And a little scary when you realize that guidance counseling/ social services/ human resources/city government/diversity and inclusion/soft power is where the aggrieved young speaker will likely end up making her career.

    You sound like you have had teenagers.

    Those of us who have or have had teenage daughters know the incredible drama that is the life of a teenage girl. It is heartbreaking when they work so hard for something, and don’t get it for reasons that just seem so unfair.

    Sometimes the poor girl just needs some time to vent and work things out in her own mind. But often there are teachers and coaches and other students who will never forgive.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    At work, I occasionally had to rouse a teen who had dozed off in my way. The girls often gave me this pained look that said, "What? I moved an inch for you. You want me to move another? Why are you being so mean to me?"

    The boys' expressions, in contrast, invariably said, "Huh? You woke me up for that?"

    , @Elli
    Two girls, one doing college applications now, two boys, and I've been a teenager, who got the thin envelope not the fat one, from my top choice, said school also admitted a football player on scholarship, way down in class rank and SAT. I remember screaming a lot that day, in private.

    Also was told to my face that I got into my second choice school because of affirmative action, by a boy just a little down in rank and SAT. A little annoying but not hurtful. It only hurts if it's true, so no strikes and speeches.

    Applying to college is much, much harder and more stressful than it was a generation ago, so I feel for all these kids. There was just as much affirmative action then, but the mass influx of bright, driven Asians had barely started. The colleges are filling the system with foreign students and manipulating admission yields, and increased demand is not increasing supply, just pushing the competition down to second tier and safety schools.

    , @nymom
    Sadly this girl could be in danger now. She might be 'jumped' after school or even while in the bathroom, hallway or lunchroom.

    It could escalate into something dangerous.

    She will probably have to leave the school for her own safety.

    It's ironic because just a week ago Beacon students were demonstrating to have more 'diversity' in their school. This could be the beginning of it. Eventually all of the White and Asian kids will be driven out and the school will revert to the mean of NYC public schools and become a dangerous place to attend...
  170. @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men)

    My heritage is proud WV trailer trash, and we prefer the moniker Inbred Rural Polymaths.

  171. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    So, you’re saying it was everyone else’s fault. How surprising.

    the “Jewish question” is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won’t be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    Well, by that point, we’ll be Brazil on our way to Zimbabwe so you’ll excuse me if I don’t find this comforting.

    I’d suggest that you reread AnotherDad’s third paragraph, but what’s the point.

  172. Good analysis, if somewhat obsolete. Wolf was born in White Station, Miss., and possibly named for President Arthur, or more likely for a relative so named.

  173. @Paleo Liberal
    You sound like you have had teenagers.

    Those of us who have or have had teenage daughters know the incredible drama that is the life of a teenage girl. It is heartbreaking when they work so hard for something, and don’t get it for reasons that just seem so unfair.

    Sometimes the poor girl just needs some time to vent and work things out in her own mind. But often there are teachers and coaches and other students who will never forgive.

    At work, I occasionally had to rouse a teen who had dozed off in my way. The girls often gave me this pained look that said, “What? I moved an inch for you. You want me to move another? Why are you being so mean to me?”

    The boys’ expressions, in contrast, invariably said, “Huh? You woke me up for that?”

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I could never understand Epstein.

    I mean, teenage girls???? Sure they can be cute, but the drama will kill you.
  174. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Tulsi Gabbard and Rand Paul appear to be the most decent politicians in Washington but I've never seen politicians draw more ire from people punching to their own side. Rand Paul had his ribs broken by an irate neighbor. Ideologues are not well people.

    The Pauls seem like decent men outside of their political beliefs, but in the end, they’re libertarians.

    To quote The Z-Man: “If you meet a libertarian, beat him. He’ll know why.”

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=19052

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=8252

  175. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Arclight
    A lot of this depends on a) how quickly Latinos displace blacks as the 2nd largest source of Democratic votes and b) how long the left hangs onto the idea that black political demands need to be humored over that of the ascendant Latinos and what remains of the white Democratic vote.

    I don't get the sense that Latinos are nearly as animated by the anti-white rhetoric that gets blacks and woke whites fired up, and once they are established as more electorally important than blacks, there is almost no chance they will be nearly as deferential to black political wishes as the white voters they are replacing on the left have been. This should set off some fun fireworks though.

    Unfortunately, all this will take 25 years to develop so there's a lot of madness still in front of us.

    Probably the two most influential groups in the last 50 years are Ashkenazi Jews (AJ’s) and Blacks, with the prior driving intellectual life and the latter driving pop culture (while capturing White imagination and sympathy).

    Both groups are undergoing a quiet dissolution. For the AJ’s, it’s literal: they are demographically dying off. For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.

    In California, this is already plain as day. There are now three socioeconomic castes in California:
    – Whites (Whites, NE Asians, upper-crust Spanish-Mexicans, upper-caste Indians)
    – Off-Whites (lower-class tattooed Whites, Middle-Class Mexicans, SE Asians, top 5% of Blacks in largely interracial relationships, and Mestizo Mexicans at the lower end).
    – Blacks

    You will often go weeks without seeing a single Black person (not counting homeless or videos of rampaging black teens), as they have been gentrified out of key areas. Most of the pop culture now caters exclusively to either Whites or Off-Whites (Drake, Steph Curry, WEEKND, Kardashians, Selena Gomez, etc). For the most part, in California, there is no Black identity, as there was in the 90’s and prior.

    Give it a decade or so, and this will occur in the rest of the country, aside from maybe the Deep South and some east coast poverty pockets.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.
     
    You have to go way down the percentage-black list before you get to the first swing state.


    http://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_race_blackafricanamerican.html

    Also, way up the same list. As with the blackest states, the least black states' electors belong safely to one party or another. Little correlation which, though.

    It seems that the more a state looks like America, the more likely it is to make the parties compete.
    , @Arclight
    There will be much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth when the eclipse comes.

    As I mentioned in my first post, my sense is that some (but not a majority) of the black and white left realizes black political power is on the downslope and thus the ability to a) turn out voters based on appeals to black victimhood and b) to leverage economic benefits for race hustlers (Sharpton, the diversity racket, etc.) is going to fade as well. Probably also means displacement of blacks from local and state government jobs that had provided a stable source of income for those just ambitious enough to show up to work every day, which translates to a loss of a key part of black politician's campaign machinery. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow.
  176. Fight fire with fire. Bitch about anti-Semitism!

    Wait, that only works on whites?

  177. @Art Deco
    You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting. You have a mess of derivative bad actors, which would be black youths and various others listening to Demetrius Greene. Suspend the student for a month, fire Demetrius Greene, and tell irate students that they're not in charge of the school. If they persist in behaving as if they were, you expel them and tell their irate parents to go ahead and sue. All of this goes on because the principal permits it, the deputy superintendent for something-or-other permits it, the superintendent permits it, and the mayor permits it. You likely have an appellate judge somewhere who insisted you have to permit it (because a previous superintendent told legal counsel to throw the case). The state legislature, the governor, and the mayor could repair this problem, but they do nothing.

    Let the liberals eat their own.

    Pop the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the shit show.

  178. @njguy73
    Much like soccer or the Greatful Dead, it's not the product that's annoying, it's the fandom.

    Excellent point.

    I think I understand now.

  179. @Jack D
    5 out of 5. I guess there are no beautiful white women left. What will they do to top this next year? From now on, all pageant winners will have to be black or it will be evidence of racist regression. Maybe next year all the runner ups will be black too. Also Miss Congeniality will have to be black because to do otherwise implies that black women are not congenial. Black women are nothing if not congenial - they are known for their congeniality as well as their beauty.

    White women who compete in these things tend to be ultra-competitive. If black women keeping winning just because they’re black, the white women will leave entirely, and no one will care about the pageant at all if there’s no white women there anymore.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Pageants are largely a boomer thing, a gay thing and low SES thing. Suspect the choice of 5 black women as finalists was driven by who still responds to traditional advertising— basically, black people.

    Hotter white women have already moved onto Instagram and becoming influencers (or marketing a sometimes sordid side-hustle).

    In all fairness, getting paid to travel the globe, party and brag about it to your friends, seems more fun and validating than getting hit on by boomer creeps in Atlantic City pageant halls.

  180. @Paleo Liberal
    You sound like you have had teenagers.

    Those of us who have or have had teenage daughters know the incredible drama that is the life of a teenage girl. It is heartbreaking when they work so hard for something, and don’t get it for reasons that just seem so unfair.

    Sometimes the poor girl just needs some time to vent and work things out in her own mind. But often there are teachers and coaches and other students who will never forgive.

    Two girls, one doing college applications now, two boys, and I’ve been a teenager, who got the thin envelope not the fat one, from my top choice, said school also admitted a football player on scholarship, way down in class rank and SAT. I remember screaming a lot that day, in private.

    Also was told to my face that I got into my second choice school because of affirmative action, by a boy just a little down in rank and SAT. A little annoying but not hurtful. It only hurts if it’s true, so no strikes and speeches.

    Applying to college is much, much harder and more stressful than it was a generation ago, so I feel for all these kids. There was just as much affirmative action then, but the mass influx of bright, driven Asians had barely started. The colleges are filling the system with foreign students and manipulating admission yields, and increased demand is not increasing supply, just pushing the competition down to second tier and safety schools.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    The youngest of my 4 kids is going through college applications now. To say it is stressful would be an understatement.

    You are right about how much worse it is now. Many of the “fallback “ schools are now first tier schools. And the scone tier schools these days have acceptance rates in the 10-20% range. Not even HYPS had acceptance rates that low back in the day. My third kid is at a second tier college, with an acceptance rate of about 15% and falling fast, and felt extremely lucky to get in.
  181. @Reg Cæsar
    At work, I occasionally had to rouse a teen who had dozed off in my way. The girls often gave me this pained look that said, "What? I moved an inch for you. You want me to move another? Why are you being so mean to me?"

    The boys' expressions, in contrast, invariably said, "Huh? You woke me up for that?"

    I could never understand Epstein.

    I mean, teenage girls???? Sure they can be cute, but the drama will kill you.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    He didn’t stick around for the drama.
  182. @eah
    OT

    "Sarazin Sarrazin hat Recht" -- Die Welt tweets a story highlighting recent data showing uneducated (and dumb) migrant parents are having LOTS of children, and someone answers "Sarrazin is right" -- Dr Gottfried Curio, a physicist and one of the leading AfD politicians, often talks about the same thing: differential birthrates, ie intelligent, educated Germans having the fewest children, and what it means for the country langfristig.

    https://twitter.com/BartlitzJoachim/status/1206469936643760135

    Get this. I asked Ashvin, my local hindu convenience store owner, what’s going on in India, are you guys trying to kick out the muslims? In all seriousness, with a straight face, he said they outbreed the hindus. I just shook my head and tried not to laugh in his face. I chuckled though.

  183. @Desiderius
    They are legion - it's the only book they've read. These are the wages of the destruction of the Liberal Arts, sacrificed at the altar of STEM, often at the hands of Conservatives who haven't conserved a damned thing

    K

    They are legion – it’s the only book they’ve read.

    They are legion, but their children aren’t.

    Love Story, book and film, pushed Jennifer, already rising, to the top of the name list for 15 years, and shot Ryan into the top dozen.

    In contrast, the Potter trio doesn’t even show up this way. Harry bottomed out at #779 in 2015, and is on a slight uptick.

    Ronald is at #493 for 2018, on a steady drop, and just plain Ron at #985. (Ronny and Ronnie do little better than Ron.)

    Hermione hasn’t made the top 1000 ever. To those of us of a Tonight Show youth, the name will always be associated with Hermione Gingold and/or her good friend Hermione Baddeley.

    Harry is actually a derivative of Henri– some preferred the Norman pronunciation to the Norman spelling. For some reason, Henry has just reached a 99-year peak at #16. Prince Harry is legally a Henry, but I doubt that’s the reason.

    Also, the traditional nicknames of Hank, Harry, and Hal don’t seem to be following “Dad” into popularity. The long-term dominance of Christopher (25 years in the top five) did nothing for Kit, despite the ubiquity, ambiguity, and colorlessness of Chris.

    This is on a relative basis, so the fact that Potter fans are having few children shouldn’t make a difference.

  184. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    Why does the NYT have a writer who focuses SOLELY on schools? That’s what Shapiro’s twitter says.

    That’s bizarre. In the old days, no newspaper would ever have assigned any reporter to a beat like that, because schools were never a beat at all. No one took them seriously as a topic. Of course, the ONLY thing an NYT reporter is going to write about schools is SJW stuff. There’s nothing else to write about schools as a topic.

    The only reason the NYT is doing it is because getting into the right school has become an insane social competition game.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lots of big newspapers have reporters who specialize in covering public schools, the school board, etc. The school system is always one of the biggest employers in town.

    Women follow school news more than men do.

  185. @Anon
    Why does the NYT have a writer who focuses SOLELY on schools? That's what Shapiro's twitter says.

    That's bizarre. In the old days, no newspaper would ever have assigned any reporter to a beat like that, because schools were never a beat at all. No one took them seriously as a topic. Of course, the ONLY thing an NYT reporter is going to write about schools is SJW stuff. There's nothing else to write about schools as a topic.

    The only reason the NYT is doing it is because getting into the right school has become an insane social competition game.

    Lots of big newspapers have reporters who specialize in covering public schools, the school board, etc. The school system is always one of the biggest employers in town.

    Women follow school news more than men do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Women follow school news more than men do.
     
    Always has been so. Women were given a school board vote in many states long before general suffrage. (Same with presidential electors in Illinois, which says something, though I'm not sure what. Eleven states copied Illinois, by not in time for an election.)

    On general-information surveys, men outperform women in national and international stuff, but women do better for neighborhood issues.

    Also, men are more rightist and more leftist than women. It's change itself women don't like. Obama was all talk, so he got a pass.

    , @njguy73
    Steve, it dawned on me. This happened because the universes of Bonfire of the Vanities, I Am Charlotte Simmons, and The Human Stain crossed.

    I'm telling you, Roth and Wolfe are controlling us from the afterlife.

  186. @Jane Plain
    "You have two bad actors, Demetrius Greene and the youth barging into the meeting."

    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has "five sources" who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    I'm not saying Shapiro is right, just reporting what she tweets.

    I'd like to ask Eliza Shapiro whether teenagers ever concoct coordinated stories.

    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has “five sources” who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    It’s doubtful that she was ‘screaming’ in any venue and that she offered the same complaint in different venues doesn’t render it false that her meeting with the counselor was interrupted. No clue why you’re attempting to advance that thesis.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    I am not "attempting to advance that thesis." I'm telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I'm not attacking you. I'm reporting from behind enemy lines.

    Shapiro was saying, based on "five sources" that the incident didn't happen the way the Post said it did.

    Unlike a lot of people here, I think forewarned is forearmed, so I'm telling you what the ringleader of the bad side is saying. Or, to you your phrasing, the thesis she is advancing.

    I happen to think Shapiro is repeating bullshit told her from five kids who are feeding her a line. Why that upsets you, I can't imagine. Impeachment stress? Too much champagne after the smashing Conservative win?

  187. @Anon
    Probably the two most influential groups in the last 50 years are Ashkenazi Jews (AJ’s) and Blacks, with the prior driving intellectual life and the latter driving pop culture (while capturing White imagination and sympathy).

    Both groups are undergoing a quiet dissolution. For the AJ’s, it’s literal: they are demographically dying off. For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.

    In California, this is already plain as day. There are now three socioeconomic castes in California:
    - Whites (Whites, NE Asians, upper-crust Spanish-Mexicans, upper-caste Indians)
    - Off-Whites (lower-class tattooed Whites, Middle-Class Mexicans, SE Asians, top 5% of Blacks in largely interracial relationships, and Mestizo Mexicans at the lower end).
    - Blacks

    You will often go weeks without seeing a single Black person (not counting homeless or videos of rampaging black teens), as they have been gentrified out of key areas. Most of the pop culture now caters exclusively to either Whites or Off-Whites (Drake, Steph Curry, WEEKND, Kardashians, Selena Gomez, etc). For the most part, in California, there is no Black identity, as there was in the 90's and prior.

    Give it a decade or so, and this will occur in the rest of the country, aside from maybe the Deep South and some east coast poverty pockets.

    For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.

    You have to go way down the percentage-black list before you get to the first swing state.

    http://www.censusscope.org/us/rank_race_blackafricanamerican.html

    Also, way up the same list. As with the blackest states, the least black states’ electors belong safely to one party or another. Little correlation which, though.

    It seems that the more a state looks like America, the more likely it is to make the parties compete.

  188. @Paleo Liberal
    You sound like you have had teenagers.

    Those of us who have or have had teenage daughters know the incredible drama that is the life of a teenage girl. It is heartbreaking when they work so hard for something, and don’t get it for reasons that just seem so unfair.

    Sometimes the poor girl just needs some time to vent and work things out in her own mind. But often there are teachers and coaches and other students who will never forgive.

    Sadly this girl could be in danger now. She might be ‘jumped’ after school or even while in the bathroom, hallway or lunchroom.

    It could escalate into something dangerous.

    She will probably have to leave the school for her own safety.

    It’s ironic because just a week ago Beacon students were demonstrating to have more ‘diversity’ in their school. This could be the beginning of it. Eventually all of the White and Asian kids will be driven out and the school will revert to the mean of NYC public schools and become a dangerous place to attend…

    • Agree: Paleo Liberal
  189. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Most of what you say makes sense, but there will still be non Orthodox Jews. They will all look Asian, though.

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  190. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of big newspapers have reporters who specialize in covering public schools, the school board, etc. The school system is always one of the biggest employers in town.

    Women follow school news more than men do.

    Women follow school news more than men do.

    Always has been so. Women were given a school board vote in many states long before general suffrage. (Same with presidential electors in Illinois, which says something, though I’m not sure what. Eleven states copied Illinois, by not in time for an election.)

    On general-information surveys, men outperform women in national and international stuff, but women do better for neighborhood issues.

    Also, men are more rightist and more leftist than women. It’s change itself women don’t like. Obama was all talk, so he got a pass.

    • Replies: @MC
    Women aren't against change when it favors them.

    Think of a new program that promotes hiring women over men, or one that effectively taxes men and gives it to women. Change they can believe in.
  191. @Anon
    Probably the two most influential groups in the last 50 years are Ashkenazi Jews (AJ’s) and Blacks, with the prior driving intellectual life and the latter driving pop culture (while capturing White imagination and sympathy).

    Both groups are undergoing a quiet dissolution. For the AJ’s, it’s literal: they are demographically dying off. For Blacks, it is political dissolution as they are gentrified out of major metros (at least the metros worth living in). In theory, this should magnify Black impact via the electoral college, but I doubt it will.

    In California, this is already plain as day. There are now three socioeconomic castes in California:
    - Whites (Whites, NE Asians, upper-crust Spanish-Mexicans, upper-caste Indians)
    - Off-Whites (lower-class tattooed Whites, Middle-Class Mexicans, SE Asians, top 5% of Blacks in largely interracial relationships, and Mestizo Mexicans at the lower end).
    - Blacks

    You will often go weeks without seeing a single Black person (not counting homeless or videos of rampaging black teens), as they have been gentrified out of key areas. Most of the pop culture now caters exclusively to either Whites or Off-Whites (Drake, Steph Curry, WEEKND, Kardashians, Selena Gomez, etc). For the most part, in California, there is no Black identity, as there was in the 90's and prior.

    Give it a decade or so, and this will occur in the rest of the country, aside from maybe the Deep South and some east coast poverty pockets.

    There will be much rending of garments and gnashing of teeth when the eclipse comes.

    As I mentioned in my first post, my sense is that some (but not a majority) of the black and white left realizes black political power is on the downslope and thus the ability to a) turn out voters based on appeals to black victimhood and b) to leverage economic benefits for race hustlers (Sharpton, the diversity racket, etc.) is going to fade as well. Probably also means displacement of blacks from local and state government jobs that had provided a stable source of income for those just ambitious enough to show up to work every day, which translates to a loss of a key part of black politician’s campaign machinery. It’s going to be a bitter pill to swallow.

  192. @Altai

    One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,”
     
    'Accused'? She basically said that is what she said. That's the point of her disappointment.

    What’s a nice Jewish girl do do?

    On the rare occasion you tell the truth, they treat you like a white girl?

  193. I feel very sorry for this girl. She was upset about not being accepted at a college, she spoke up about her frustration with the guidance counselors — and then all hell broke loose at her school and she is getting called a racist.

    All this can’t be easy for a high school senior to handle. I wish her good luck in finding a great college. I am sure she will do well.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I wish her good luck in finding a great college.
     
    Her demographic ENGINEERED the exclusion system she protested.  I wish that she, and her entire demographic, is relegated to Kommunitty Kollige at best until they make aliyah.  They deserve no less.
    , @anon
    I feel very sorry for this girl. She was upset about not being accepted at a college, she spoke up about her frustration with the guidance counselors — and then all hell broke loose at her school and she is getting called a racist.

    Meh. The great tragedy is: she's Jewish! Jewish! but the People of Color treated her just the same as if she was a mere shiksa. Named Becky, in fact.

    Upper middle class Jewish girl has a bad day, upper middle class Jewish girl reporter writes it up in a Trifecta of ingroup preference. If the student had been upper middle class goy guy this would not have been news at all. Maybe an upper middle class shiksa...maybe...it would depend on how many degrees of separation from the reporter.

    One thing is for sure, wypipo must learn to be just as insular and group-oriented as other groups. It means a lower trust society but oh, well, whatevers.
  194. Mr. Sailer:

    My commenting history will reveal numerous instances in which I have disavowed and even castigated Jews who scold and express hostility toward Whites. I have also, on more than one occasion, explicitly expressed agreement with criticisms and less-than-flattering characterizations of Jews that you have made. With that noted, I’m afraid I must challenge the frankly incendiary characterizations upon which you have predicated both this as well as the linked previous post of yours on the topic of Beacon High School.

    I have now read through both Eliza Shapiro’s NY Times article of December 2nd as well as this New York Post article by Susan Edelman that is dated December 15th. First, just where has Ms. Shapiro engaged-in “efforts to stir up anti-white sentiment at Beacon”? Wasn’t her article merely reporting on events at and surrounding Beacon High School?

    You titled your December 2nd post highlighting Shapiro’s article of that same date A Public School That Is 47% White Is Denounced as “Segregated”. But just who made that denounciation? Ms. Shapiro? A search of the entire text of her article for “segregat” (thereby including all possible variations of segregate and segregation) returns five instances therein, none of which would appear to constitute evidence that Ms. Shapiro, in referring-to Beacon or any of the other schools cited in her article as “segregated” was doing anything more than citing characterizations that had been made by others[1]. At most, a few instances of Ms. Shapiro’s use of the characterization-in-question could perhaps be considered ambiguous as to whether or not they evidenced implicit editoralizing on her part.

    Here, you suggest that Eliza Shapiro is to blame for what the NY Post article describes as a hostile environment for Jews that has recently developed at Beacon High. But does that very article not make it quite clear that any such hostility is the direct result of the actions and statements of students and one or more teachers at that school? That much would seem self-evident even just from the portion of said article that you quoted. The full article goes on to report, of the “white Jewish girl” in-question, that,

    Later, she said, one of her teachers chided her, telling her, ”People are going to hate you because you’re Jewish,” and “You don’t understand your privilege.”

    [1] The instances in-question, quoted directly from Eliza Shapiro’s NY Times article of December 2nd:

    [MORE]

    Roughly 300 students walked out of Beacon on Monday to protest its high-stakes admissions process, which they said has exacerbated segregation in the nation’s largest school system.

    The high school, in Hell’s Kitchen, Manhattan, is now at the center of a push for large-scale desegregation that Mr. de Blasio’s administration has not endorsed.

    Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza has promised, with sweeping rhetoric, to desegregate schools, but he has not yet released any major integration policies of his own during his 18 months on the job.

    A panel commissioned by Mr. de Blasio to study desegregation policies[…]

    Sadie Lee, an Asian-American Beacon sophomore who lives in Brooklyn, said she had benefited from the segregated system[…]”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The primary lie of the lyingpress has to do with where they choose to spend their limited focus and what they choose to ignore. If I located six individuals in rural Maine who were deeply concerned about Jewish feet stinking, even though I might be careful to withhold my own opinion on the matter, and I didn't exactly break my neck seeking, say, a voice for counterpoint, I'm already a crackpot anyway for deciding to spend time on it, and a certified crackpot for bothering with the six other nutballs. Almost every NPR race story meets this standard: they have a spurious story, they talk to the tiny little clutch of professional activists for whom this story is not laughable, and then they either skip the opposition ("we reached out but they declined to comment") or they deliberately find (or mischaracterize) some unsympathetic rubes.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Once you use "segregation" or any of its forms, all rational discussion is over. It's a milder form of the N word!
    , @Steve Sailer
    Eliza Shapiro has been writing articles about the horrors of whites having their own segregated schools (which usually turn out to be less than half white) for a year or two.
  195. @Jane Plain
    Kvetch, kvetch, kvetch. Are you telling us anything we don't know?

    "Should have"

    Well, they didn't and as I said to Deco, they won't.

    Blacks get whatever they want. They're like the cowardly lion with no real bite, but there's no Dorothy around to slap them on the nose and expose them for the empty suits they are, so the beat goes on.

    The only time they lose is in the legal arena, which still has rules, no matter how much the people here whine that it doesn't. But this is not the law, this is politics, and politics is theater.

    The only answer is to take your kids to an area where there are no blacks. Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.

    Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.

    I’ve long believed that blacks are a greater share of the US population than the measly thirteen percent we’ve been told they are. Everywhere I go, even in places like rural New England, there they are. I don’t know if they’re being under-counted by the census or what.

    Accordingly, I’ve never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The figures you're objecting to have been the ones found in every census conducted since 1860. (The ratio of blacks to others fell from 0.24 to 0.165 between 1790 to 1860).
    , @Justvisiting

    I’ve never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.
     
    Take a drive around western MA--stay out of the cities and off the main highways. When the pavement ends you have found Whitopia.

    http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/graphics/03_22_11_2010_census_town_population/
    , @Jane Plain
    You're seeing blacks in your soup.
  196. @Joe Stalin
    "See the VA national guard kicking down doors to take guns."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ZmZHgWcPA&has_verified=1

    After the South Korean military opened up on the civilian population in Gwangju 1980, the angry civilians raided the local armory for military weapons, including a .50 BMG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249OiR3I60Y [4:06]

    but in 1946, "Battle of Athens,," ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 ) US WWII veterans had keys to the local armory and proceeded to acquire military weapons before engaging Democrat Party corruption.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6CfoKwdsM

    Democracy or a free Republic?

    VA Citizens will decide.

    The big Igloo is going to be lit.

  197. @Anonymouse
    >And furthermore lots of these Jews–and mainstream Jewish organizations!–advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. “Who we are as Jews.” (So you don’t have to take the word of an “anti-Semite” like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    I am used to hearing Pelosi and other democratic moralists tell us "That's not who we are" or "That's who we are." On the other hand, I am not aware of jewish organizations or individuals bragging on their jewishishness as the basis for tearing down the racist, xenophobic West. If that is the case, please provide links to back up your assertion. I suspect that as an anti-semite - your words - you are just projecting your hate.

    Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

    I’d love to turn you on.

  198. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    This is now in the WSJ as well:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/students-at-new-york-high-school-stage-protests-over-alleged-discrimination-11576540890?mod=hp_listb_pos2

    Some quotes here for those who don’t have a log in:

    Students at prestigious Beacon High School in Manhattan talked of peers throwing around the N-word.

    Of somebody defacing a “Black Lives Matter” sign with the word “don’t.”

    And of teachers failing to confront students who made antigay slurs.

    What are the chances the perpetrators were all non-white?

    Students said the protest was sparked by an incident in which a white senior—who didn’t get into her first-choice college early—was overheard last week belittling minority students for getting college offers through affirmative action. That teenager couldn’t be reached for comment.

    OK so she’s just “white” per WSJ, not as specific as the Post.

    “Muslim students have been called terrorists, Mexican students have been called rapists, and white students have used the N-word so regularly that students of color are unable to confront them about it every single time,” said Fatima Zekic, a Muslim student leader.

    My son and his friends call each other my-N’gr for kicks, but of course they are all white or Asian, and never in the vicinity of anyone who’s actually black, which are few and far between in their school. On occasion when there’s a black kid in the vicinity, it’s usually the black kid who calls everyone else my-N’gr, everyone else just says “hi” to him.

    Beacon is more diverse than some top city high schools. About 47% of its students are white, 20% Hispanic, 14% black and 9% Asian, by city data. Mayor Bill de Blasio’s daughter Chiara attended the school.

    It admits students based on a mix of grades, state test scores, a portfolio of academic work and two essays. Supporters of such screening say advanced learners deserve to study alongside accelerated peers, but critics say that admissions policy exacerbates segregation by race and income. About 30% of Beacon’s students face economic hardship, compared with 71% in the public system overall.

  199. @Dissident
    Mr. Sailer:

    My commenting history will reveal numerous instances in which I have disavowed and even castigated Jews who scold and express hostility toward Whites. I have also, on more than one occasion, explicitly expressed agreement with criticisms and less-than-flattering characterizations of Jews that you have made. With that noted, I'm afraid I must challenge the frankly incendiary characterizations upon which you have predicated both this as well as the linked previous post of yours on the topic of Beacon High School.

    I have now read through both Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd as well as this New York Post article by Susan Edelman that is dated December 15th. First, just where has Ms. Shapiro engaged-in "efforts to stir up anti-white sentiment at Beacon"? Wasn't her article merely reporting on events at and surrounding Beacon High School?

    You titled your December 2nd post highlighting Shapiro's article of that same date A Public School That Is 47% White Is Denounced as "Segregated". But just who made that denounciation? Ms. Shapiro? A search of the entire text of her article for "segregat" (thereby including all possible variations of segregate and segregation) returns five instances therein, none of which would appear to constitute evidence that Ms. Shapiro, in referring-to Beacon or any of the other schools cited in her article as "segregated" was doing anything more than citing characterizations that had been made by others[1]. At most, a few instances of Ms. Shapiro's use of the characterization-in-question could perhaps be considered ambiguous as to whether or not they evidenced implicit editoralizing on her part.

    Here, you suggest that Eliza Shapiro is to blame for what the NY Post article describes as a hostile environment for Jews that has recently developed at Beacon High. But does that very article not make it quite clear that any such hostility is the direct result of the actions and statements of students and one or more teachers at that school? That much would seem self-evident even just from the portion of said article that you quoted. The full article goes on to report, of the "white Jewish girl" in-question, that,


    Later, she said, one of her teachers chided her, telling her, ”People are going to hate you because you’re Jewish,” and “You don’t understand your privilege.”
     
    [1] The instances in-question, quoted directly from Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd:

    Roughly 300 students walked out of Beacon on Monday to protest its high-stakes admissions process, which they said has exacerbated segregation in the nation’s largest school system.
     

    The high school, in Hell’s Kitchen, Manhattan, is now at the center of a push for large-scale desegregation that Mr. de Blasio’s administration has not endorsed.
     

    Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza has promised, with sweeping rhetoric, to desegregate schools, but he has not yet released any major integration policies of his own during his 18 months on the job.
     

    A panel commissioned by Mr. de Blasio to study desegregation policies[...]
     

    Sadie Lee, an Asian-American Beacon sophomore who lives in Brooklyn, said she had benefited from the segregated system[...]"
     

    The primary lie of the lyingpress has to do with where they choose to spend their limited focus and what they choose to ignore. If I located six individuals in rural Maine who were deeply concerned about Jewish feet stinking, even though I might be careful to withhold my own opinion on the matter, and I didn’t exactly break my neck seeking, say, a voice for counterpoint, I’m already a crackpot anyway for deciding to spend time on it, and a certified crackpot for bothering with the six other nutballs. Almost every NPR race story meets this standard: they have a spurious story, they talk to the tiny little clutch of professional activists for whom this story is not laughable, and then they either skip the opposition (“we reached out but they declined to comment”) or they deliberately find (or mischaracterize) some unsympathetic rubes.

  200. Semi related, Michelle Obama is running. Barack gave a speech blasting old White men saying they must retire and get out of the way for women who are better than men.

    Michelle Obama or Oprah. Either one will steamroll Trump. He might not win a single state.

    It’s the old White women and Black voter model Obama won with. White Women will back any candidate who can approximate authentic Blackness. It’s how Oprah got her billions. Approximate is the word

  201. @J.Ross
    What you're seeing is extreme short term thinking or tunnel vision, which happens to be a widely observed characteristic of highly intelligent and high performing people, Jewish and otherwise. Chinese set themselves up for preventable disaster about as often. In history, there may have been no gentile victories over Jews, only a succession of unforced errors which an observant opponent could exploit.

    For such an awfully smart people, they at times seem awfully dumb.

  202. @Anon
    Some thoughts:

    (1) Your explanation does not hold up. Plenty of groups make political donations -- obviously, not as much money -- but still do not have anywhere near the influence. Jewish influence has derived from one predominant source -- the ability of Ashkenazis to corner the Cultural Commanding Heights (CCH) (entire legal system, higher education, finance, traditional media, entertainment) to create an echo chamber, while still having the plausible deniability that there is no ethnic angle. Or they simply shout it down with allegations of "Jew counting" or "Jew sniffing."

    But as noted, Ashkenazi numbers have collapsed in the past 15 years, and increasingly, they cannot maintain the pipeline to the CCH. BTW, this has already occurred in the Ivy League (Ron's numbers are out of date) and Tech (Zuck is likely the last).

    (2) The bulk of Israel's tech comes from technology transfer. Often when Jewish-owned private equity (like Esptein's bud, Leon Black from Apollo) or VC acquire a company, the ethnic composition of key company officers predictably changes, and miraculously, no-name Israeli startups are acquired. If any other nation were doing this -- like say, China -- we would call it what it is.

    (3) The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli's population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.

    I’m glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he’s “right-wing” on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other’s throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly
     
    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians
     
    The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.
    , @Art Deco
    There were about 70,000 Christians in Israel in 1990; there are about 160,000 today, increasing at a rate a tad faster than that of the general population. Out of an Arab population in Israel of about 1.7 million, about 7,000 are currently incarcerated (accounting for about 35% of the incarcerated). They're not living under any legal disabilities and have a franchise the Jewish population does not have: they aren't subject to military conscription.

    I'm sure Cairo is a much more agreeable place to live:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46075969
    , @Jane Plain
    The Jewish attitude towards Palestinian-Israeli Christians has changed for the better, for two reasons:

    1. Israel is the only place in the world where Christians have a better school system than Jews; and

    2. They run the best restaurants. Somebody's gotta do it.
    , @Dissident

    For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that[...]
     
    Wait...you're a paleoconservative but you view "secularized post-Christian ways" favorably? Either I've misunderstood you or there's a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.
     
    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews. Perhaps the greatest example is the United States of America. I feel a great debt of gratitude for this hospitality that I have benefited so greatly from. And I am by no means alone, as a Jew, in having such sentiments.

    Returning to the question of Jewish-Muslim relations, I note that there are many instances of Jews and Muslims co-existing peaceably and even amicably today. This includes my own neighborhood (in the US), where a number of Muslims live and work.

    (Incidentally, concerning Muslims and so-called Ultra-Orthodox*/Haredi Jews, while I'm not sure which of those two groups is more despised than the other here in iSteve land, that both rank pretty high on the list of least favorably viewed groups in these parts would appear to be of litle doubt.)

    All of the above notwithstanding, I hasten to add that I find it entirely reasonable for Western nations to at least be wary of Muslims and even to restrict them from entrance. (I actually support a near-total, across-the-board moratorium on immigration into the US.)

    I might even have to say much the same about Jews as well, I'm afraid. For I acknowledge, much to my chagrin, that Jews -- especially prominent ones-- are over-represented in many of the most morally, culturally and socially pernicious movements and causes. Such Jews, it must be noted, are primarily individuals who, while of Jewish descent and/or who identify as Jewish, are actually quite estranged from Judaism. Such individuals are overwhelmingly at least secular and irreligious, and often anti-religious and even atheist. Causes such as "LGBTQ"; the promotion of smut; and feminism are no less abominable from a traditional Judaic perspective than they are from any Christian or other religious perspective. (Where do you think Christianity as well as Islam took their basic positions in these areas from?)

    A few additional points that, like the ones I have outlined above, I find to be both quite germane as well as mostly omitted, ignored or glossed over here and in related discussions:

    - Zionism, from its inception and in all of its forms, was condemned as a heresy by a near-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbinic authorities. The authentic Judaic view is that Jews are in a divinely-decried exile from which we can only be redeemed by the divine intervention of the arrival of the long-awaited Messiah. Until such deliverance (which we pray for daily), we are forbidden both from establishing sovereignty in the Holy Land,

    - as well as from rebelling against the nations in which we live. We are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens of our host nations.

    - As long as we are allowed to remain true to our faith, we do do not interfere with the religious affairs of others. Torah-observant Jews who are secure in their identity have no need or desire to play the Grinch.

    - *The term "Ultra-Orthodox" is predicated upon the tendentious assumption that those who are known as Modern-Orthodox represent the normative standard of Judaic Orthodoxy. This is analogous to the prevailing characterizations of those who favor restricting immigration as "far", "extreme" or "ultra" right-wing.

    (I do not claim that Orthodox and devout Jews do not pose any challenges for Western nations. But I would contend that whatever problems we do pose tend to be (a) limited in scope to the local and regional level; (b) and far from the kind of fundamental and existential threats for which secular Jews are disproportionately culpabale and complicit; and (c) mostly solvable or at least managable through means that would result in reasonable compromrises that balanced the interests and rights of all involved parties.)

    ~ ~ ~

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.
     
    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).
  203. @Stealth

    Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.
     
    I've long believed that blacks are a greater share of the US population than the measly thirteen percent we've been told they are. Everywhere I go, even in places like rural New England, there they are. I don't know if they're being under-counted by the census or what.

    Accordingly, I've never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.

    The figures you’re objecting to have been the ones found in every census conducted since 1860. (The ratio of blacks to others fell from 0.24 to 0.165 between 1790 to 1860).

  204. @Paleo Liberal
    I could never understand Epstein.

    I mean, teenage girls???? Sure they can be cute, but the drama will kill you.

    He didn’t stick around for the drama.

  205. @JohnnyD
    I don't think this will change the hearts and minds of Jewish journalists. The real threat is always White Christian Antisemitism, which means you have to ignore or make excuses for black Antisemitism (unless of course, they support the BDS movement).

    I have been joylessly saying for a while now that Jews ought to start paying attention to black on white violence if only for their own safety, especially when years ago the knockout game culminated in an assault on an elderly orthodox man and a minor New York politician (not Jewish), and a representative of the Orthodox community said in total seriousness to CNN: “and as far as I know, this is only happening to Jews!” It is long past time to jettison anti-Semitism as a meaningful category. Its prioritization blinds people to physical danger and to non-physical crime like Affirmative Bigotry. What should be monitored is civility/whiteness. As whiteness/civility declines, the acceptability of physical violence increases. There truly is no “anti-Semitism” in the animal who decides to suckerpunch an elderly Haredi man. If you asked him, he’d respond, “He white. Look at he skin.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    Al Sharpton got away with starting programs against Jews back in 1995.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy%27s_Fashion_Mart_attack
    , @J.Ross
    And boom goes the dynamite:
    https://twitter.com/Immort4l_Legacy/status/1206722884082831361
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCKAZI1kdnw
  206. @Dissident
    Mr. Sailer:

    My commenting history will reveal numerous instances in which I have disavowed and even castigated Jews who scold and express hostility toward Whites. I have also, on more than one occasion, explicitly expressed agreement with criticisms and less-than-flattering characterizations of Jews that you have made. With that noted, I'm afraid I must challenge the frankly incendiary characterizations upon which you have predicated both this as well as the linked previous post of yours on the topic of Beacon High School.

    I have now read through both Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd as well as this New York Post article by Susan Edelman that is dated December 15th. First, just where has Ms. Shapiro engaged-in "efforts to stir up anti-white sentiment at Beacon"? Wasn't her article merely reporting on events at and surrounding Beacon High School?

    You titled your December 2nd post highlighting Shapiro's article of that same date A Public School That Is 47% White Is Denounced as "Segregated". But just who made that denounciation? Ms. Shapiro? A search of the entire text of her article for "segregat" (thereby including all possible variations of segregate and segregation) returns five instances therein, none of which would appear to constitute evidence that Ms. Shapiro, in referring-to Beacon or any of the other schools cited in her article as "segregated" was doing anything more than citing characterizations that had been made by others[1]. At most, a few instances of Ms. Shapiro's use of the characterization-in-question could perhaps be considered ambiguous as to whether or not they evidenced implicit editoralizing on her part.

    Here, you suggest that Eliza Shapiro is to blame for what the NY Post article describes as a hostile environment for Jews that has recently developed at Beacon High. But does that very article not make it quite clear that any such hostility is the direct result of the actions and statements of students and one or more teachers at that school? That much would seem self-evident even just from the portion of said article that you quoted. The full article goes on to report, of the "white Jewish girl" in-question, that,


    Later, she said, one of her teachers chided her, telling her, ”People are going to hate you because you’re Jewish,” and “You don’t understand your privilege.”
     
    [1] The instances in-question, quoted directly from Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd:

    Roughly 300 students walked out of Beacon on Monday to protest its high-stakes admissions process, which they said has exacerbated segregation in the nation’s largest school system.
     

    The high school, in Hell’s Kitchen, Manhattan, is now at the center of a push for large-scale desegregation that Mr. de Blasio’s administration has not endorsed.
     

    Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza has promised, with sweeping rhetoric, to desegregate schools, but he has not yet released any major integration policies of his own during his 18 months on the job.
     

    A panel commissioned by Mr. de Blasio to study desegregation policies[...]
     

    Sadie Lee, an Asian-American Beacon sophomore who lives in Brooklyn, said she had benefited from the segregated system[...]"
     

    Once you use “segregation” or any of its forms, all rational discussion is over. It’s a milder form of the N word!

    • Replies: @Dissident

    Once you use “segregation” or any of its forms, all rational discussion is over.
     
    I certainly appreciate that. I was questioning, though, whether Eliza Shapiro was applying the word herself or merely reporting on others' use of it. As I wrote, I didn't see evidence that it was more than the latter but I did acknowledge that were some instances where it may have been ambiguous.

    While I certainly appreciate the general point that J.Ross made in his reply to me, I'm not sure that I accept his application of it to this specific case. At any rate, I don't find it implausible that Ms. Shapiro is less-than-innocent here. But even if that is the case, Mr. Sailer's wording directing the blame almost exclusively on her still seems odd to me-- given the seemingly more direct culpability of the students and teacher that are cited.

    Apologies for my delay in responding.

    BTW, I have been wanting to ask you, Mr. Hayes, if you still listen to WBAI at all. Have you been following the recent developments in the never-ending drama and farce that is that ever-dysfunctional radio station? After a month of nothing but canned/piped-in Pacifica programming during what Max Schmid and other on-air personalities describe as a hostile takeover by a rogue element at Pacifica, they came back yet again for yet more endless on-air fund-raising.

    I find it incredible that they've managed to last this long, after so many times when it sounded like it would finally be the end for them. Of course, what's kept them afloat all this time would appear to be in no small part the revenue they generate from hocking as premiums various forms of what is mostly little more than snake-oil. I remember hearing the late Lynn Samuels respond to a caller who had mentioned WBAI offering "the Gary Null enema kit" as a fund-raising premium by saying, "Well, /they/ really need that there".

  207. @notsaying
    I feel very sorry for this girl. She was upset about not being accepted at a college, she spoke up about her frustration with the guidance counselors -- and then all hell broke loose at her school and she is getting called a racist.

    All this can't be easy for a high school senior to handle. I wish her good luck in finding a great college. I am sure she will do well.

    I wish her good luck in finding a great college.

    Her demographic ENGINEERED the exclusion system she protested.  I wish that she, and her entire demographic, is relegated to Kommunitty Kollige at best until they make aliyah.  They deserve no less.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  208. @J.Ross
    I have been joylessly saying for a while now that Jews ought to start paying attention to black on white violence if only for their own safety, especially when years ago the knockout game culminated in an assault on an elderly orthodox man and a minor New York politician (not Jewish), and a representative of the Orthodox community said in total seriousness to CNN: "and as far as I know, this is only happening to Jews!" It is long past time to jettison anti-Semitism as a meaningful category. Its prioritization blinds people to physical danger and to non-physical crime like Affirmative Bigotry. What should be monitored is civility/whiteness. As whiteness/civility declines, the acceptability of physical violence increases. There truly is no "anti-Semitism" in the animal who decides to suckerpunch an elderly Haredi man. If you asked him, he'd respond, "He white. Look at he skin."

    Al Sharpton got away with starting programs against Jews back in 1995.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy%27s_Fashion_Mart_attack

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Do yourself a favor and Google "crown heights 1991"

    I don't know what role Sharpton played, but if that wasn't a pogrom, then there's no such thing as a pogrom.
  209. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    I feel very sorry for this girl. She was upset about not being accepted at a college, she spoke up about her frustration with the guidance counselors -- and then all hell broke loose at her school and she is getting called a racist.

    All this can't be easy for a high school senior to handle. I wish her good luck in finding a great college. I am sure she will do well.

    I feel very sorry for this girl. She was upset about not being accepted at a college, she spoke up about her frustration with the guidance counselors — and then all hell broke loose at her school and she is getting called a racist.

    Meh. The great tragedy is: she’s Jewish! Jewish! but the People of Color treated her just the same as if she was a mere shiksa. Named Becky, in fact.

    Upper middle class Jewish girl has a bad day, upper middle class Jewish girl reporter writes it up in a Trifecta of ingroup preference. If the student had been upper middle class goy guy this would not have been news at all. Maybe an upper middle class shiksa…maybe…it would depend on how many degrees of separation from the reporter.

    One thing is for sure, wypipo must learn to be just as insular and group-oriented as other groups. It means a lower trust society but oh, well, whatevers.

  210. @Nico

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
     
    I'm glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he's "right-wing" on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other's throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly

    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians

    The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    Jack it's very unfortunate your people have experienced a 2000 year run of bad luck through absolutely zero fault of their own. I can relate. I've been banned from 109 bars and every single time the ownership had a problem with me for no reason at all. It had nothing to do with my behavior.
    , @Oscar Peterson

    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.
     
    One direct cause is Muslim anti-Christian violence. This has been true in Iraq and Lebanon as well. But the underlying cause is that the destabilization of the region, driven by Israel's ability to compel its US golem to invade and regime-change any regional state unwilling to truckle to the Judeosupremacist state, has led Muslims to see Christians as a fifth column for the West in a way they had not, for the most part, previously. The role of Israel-generated warfare and instability is the underlying factor here. The "liberation" of Iraq was a wholesale disaster for Iraqi Christians, and the "liberation" of Syria would have been the same had that adventure succeeded.

    The other main cause of Christian flight is sustained Israeli full-spectrum war against the Palestinians--Christian and Muslim. Embargoes, withholding of tax revenues, Jews-only infrastructure in the West Bank, and many other economic warfare tools are being used by the Israeli state to drive down Palestinian birth rates and drive young adults out of Palestine looking for work and never to return.

    This is all to facilitate the eventual annexation of the remaining lands under Palestinian control.

    Israel is absolutely at the core of Christian flight from the region--including Palestine.
    , @Oscar Peterson

    Nico: I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians

    Jack D: The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.
     
    No, he really doesn't have it backwards. It's true, of course, that Spain expelled its Jews. But the reason there was a very large Jewish population in Spain was that Jews flocked to it in huge numbers--especially from the Jewish population in Babylonia--after the Muslim conquest in the 8th century, multiplying the number of Jews previously in Iberia. The Jews did quite well for themselves under the occupation regime for centuries. But when Christendom finally got its act together and expelled the Muslim invaders, well--you know what they say about payback.

    Jews have an unhealthy tendency to follow invaders into other peoples' countries and then wail when they become negatively associated with the invaders in the mind of the locals. This was also true of Jews in Egypt who followed the Persian and Greek conquests, in the Ukraine when the Polish invaders brought Jewish estate managers with them and of course in Palestine where Jews were foisted on the unwilling populace by British imperial forces. It was also true more generally in the Muslim sectors of the British and French empires where local Jews usually supported the imperial occupiers rather than the emerging nationalist forces.

    Bad habits come back to haunt you.
  211. Anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    White women who compete in these things tend to be ultra-competitive. If black women keeping winning just because they're black, the white women will leave entirely, and no one will care about the pageant at all if there's no white women there anymore.

    Pageants are largely a boomer thing, a gay thing and low SES thing. Suspect the choice of 5 black women as finalists was driven by who still responds to traditional advertising— basically, black people.

    Hotter white women have already moved onto Instagram and becoming influencers (or marketing a sometimes sordid side-hustle).

    In all fairness, getting paid to travel the globe, party and brag about it to your friends, seems more fun and validating than getting hit on by boomer creeps in Atlantic City pageant halls.

  212. @Jack Henson
    My first act as High Archon of what comes out of the United States will be to burn every copy of Harry Potter I can lay hands on.

    Just please don’t burn the audiobooks — Jim Dale’s performance is a masterwork, whatever you think of the source material

  213. @Elli
    Two girls, one doing college applications now, two boys, and I've been a teenager, who got the thin envelope not the fat one, from my top choice, said school also admitted a football player on scholarship, way down in class rank and SAT. I remember screaming a lot that day, in private.

    Also was told to my face that I got into my second choice school because of affirmative action, by a boy just a little down in rank and SAT. A little annoying but not hurtful. It only hurts if it's true, so no strikes and speeches.

    Applying to college is much, much harder and more stressful than it was a generation ago, so I feel for all these kids. There was just as much affirmative action then, but the mass influx of bright, driven Asians had barely started. The colleges are filling the system with foreign students and manipulating admission yields, and increased demand is not increasing supply, just pushing the competition down to second tier and safety schools.

    The youngest of my 4 kids is going through college applications now. To say it is stressful would be an understatement.

    You are right about how much worse it is now. Many of the “fallback “ schools are now first tier schools. And the scone tier schools these days have acceptance rates in the 10-20% range. Not even HYPS had acceptance rates that low back in the day. My third kid is at a second tier college, with an acceptance rate of about 15% and falling fast, and felt extremely lucky to get in.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    We're dealing with it as well. Contributing greatly to the lower acceptance rate is the Common App, which makes it feasible for kids to apply to 10 or more schools. When I was applying to colleges each application was different and completing them was time-consuming so it was more like apply to 3 or 4. As a result even what are thought of as second tier schools get 3-4x the applications they used to, which allows them to appear more selective.

    Making it more aggravating is some schools focus on "yield" (the percentage of kids they accept that choose to enroll) and that becomes a game. If a kid has HYPS scores and is applying to a second tier school, that school often assumes they're just a fallback and the kid is highly unlikely to enroll so they pre-emptively reject the kid (its the "you can't fire me because I quit first" type of thinking). You end up with this weird dynamic where kids that got into say Vanderbilt get rejected by (just an example) Univ of Tennessee.

    At the end of the day being rejected by a school for whatever (or no clear) reason IS still a rejection. Its hard for some kids (and some parents) to not take it personally. It can be a good learning opportunity though - life is often unfair and sometimes things are not going to work out they way you wanted. That's just the way it is.
    , @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!
  214. @Stealth

    Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.
     
    I've long believed that blacks are a greater share of the US population than the measly thirteen percent we've been told they are. Everywhere I go, even in places like rural New England, there they are. I don't know if they're being under-counted by the census or what.

    Accordingly, I've never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.

    I’ve never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.

    Take a drive around western MA–stay out of the cities and off the main highways. When the pavement ends you have found Whitopia.

    http://archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/graphics/03_22_11_2010_census_town_population/

  215. @Reg Cæsar

    Women follow school news more than men do.
     
    Always has been so. Women were given a school board vote in many states long before general suffrage. (Same with presidential electors in Illinois, which says something, though I'm not sure what. Eleven states copied Illinois, by not in time for an election.)

    On general-information surveys, men outperform women in national and international stuff, but women do better for neighborhood issues.

    Also, men are more rightist and more leftist than women. It's change itself women don't like. Obama was all talk, so he got a pass.

    Women aren’t against change when it favors them.

    Think of a new program that promotes hiring women over men, or one that effectively taxes men and gives it to women. Change they can believe in.

  216. @Anonymouse
    >And furthermore lots of these Jews–and mainstream Jewish organizations!–advertise this stuff proudly as core Jewish ideology/identity. “Who we are as Jews.” (So you don’t have to take the word of an “anti-Semite” like me, your fellow Jews will tell you how wonderful Jews are in tearing down the racist, xenophobic West.)

    I am used to hearing Pelosi and other democratic moralists tell us "That's not who we are" or "That's who we are." On the other hand, I am not aware of jewish organizations or individuals bragging on their jewishishness as the basis for tearing down the racist, xenophobic West. If that is the case, please provide links to back up your assertion. I suspect that as an anti-semite - your words - you are just projecting your hate.

    Anonymouse: the ADL is a strongly committed Zionist(basically a form of white nationalism) organization. It’s also a strongly committed open borders(for Europe and USA) organization. What explains the frothing at the mouth commitment to two seemingly opposite views?

    One very simple explanation is that the ADL is concerned with tribal self interest rather than philosophical ideas. Is there another explanation?

    Also, Jews are not the vast majority of rich people, but they are the vast majority of the top democrat donors. What’s your explanation for that?

  217. @Jack D

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly
     
    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians
     
    The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.

    Jack it’s very unfortunate your people have experienced a 2000 year run of bad luck through absolutely zero fault of their own. I can relate. I’ve been banned from 109 bars and every single time the ownership had a problem with me for no reason at all. It had nothing to do with my behavior.

  218. @JohnnyD
    Al Sharpton got away with starting programs against Jews back in 1995.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy%27s_Fashion_Mart_attack

    Do yourself a favor and Google “crown heights 1991”

    I don’t know what role Sharpton played, but if that wasn’t a pogrom, then there’s no such thing as a pogrom.

  219. @Steve Sailer
    Lots of big newspapers have reporters who specialize in covering public schools, the school board, etc. The school system is always one of the biggest employers in town.

    Women follow school news more than men do.

    Steve, it dawned on me. This happened because the universes of Bonfire of the Vanities, I Am Charlotte Simmons, and The Human Stain crossed.

    I’m telling you, Roth and Wolfe are controlling us from the afterlife.

  220. @J.Ross
    I have been joylessly saying for a while now that Jews ought to start paying attention to black on white violence if only for their own safety, especially when years ago the knockout game culminated in an assault on an elderly orthodox man and a minor New York politician (not Jewish), and a representative of the Orthodox community said in total seriousness to CNN: "and as far as I know, this is only happening to Jews!" It is long past time to jettison anti-Semitism as a meaningful category. Its prioritization blinds people to physical danger and to non-physical crime like Affirmative Bigotry. What should be monitored is civility/whiteness. As whiteness/civility declines, the acceptability of physical violence increases. There truly is no "anti-Semitism" in the animal who decides to suckerpunch an elderly Haredi man. If you asked him, he'd respond, "He white. Look at he skin."

    And boom goes the dynamite:

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Looks a lot like the 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman, er, woman. Shoshana Roberts. Wrong colour eyes though.

    Lets have a gratuitous pic:

    https://i6.lisimg.com/8057976/280full.jpg

  221. @Nico

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
     
    I'm glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he's "right-wing" on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other's throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    There were about 70,000 Christians in Israel in 1990; there are about 160,000 today, increasing at a rate a tad faster than that of the general population. Out of an Arab population in Israel of about 1.7 million, about 7,000 are currently incarcerated (accounting for about 35% of the incarcerated). They’re not living under any legal disabilities and have a franchise the Jewish population does not have: they aren’t subject to military conscription.

    I’m sure Cairo is a much more agreeable place to live:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46075969

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    how many , from Ru etc, are deemed not Jewish enough to ever be granted Israeli citizenship?
    , @anonymous
    For all practical purposes, ultra-Orthodox Jews (currently around 13% of Israel's total population) are exempt from any serious military service. Despite fairly generous concessions, the actual number of enlistees continue to shrink and are inflated for political purposes.

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/religious-secular-in-israel-israel/report-haredi-draft-dropped-20-in-2018/2019/12/01/

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-head-promises-reckoning-over-misreported-haredi-draft-figures/

  222. @Paleo Liberal
    I think you have it a bit wrong.

    In certain circles, there is a bit of Geek Chic. That is, people tend to brag about how nerdy they are.

    For example, I once worked in a San Francisco startup where they named all the conference rooms after places in the Star Wars movies. One particularly cold room was named after a cold planet in Star Wars. Just Geeks liking to show off.

    Comparing presidential candidates to Harry Potter characters is just a Geek Chic in joke. It doesn't mean they really believe it. It means they think it's funny.

    Not just Woke folks do that. I used to work for a local company that named all its conference rooms after local lakes (we have a lot of lakes around here, due to the last Ice Age). The bigger the lake, the bigger the conference room. As a joke, the smallest conference room was the Woebegone room. I talked to the nice HR lady, and she made sure I knew it was a joke. They didn't really believe such a lake existed. Just as Harry Potter fans don't really believe this or that candidate is similar to a Harry Potter character.

    Harry Potter, Star Wars, Marvel crap, Star Trek and the rest are just too widespread and popular these days. There is no real Geek/Nerd Chic in stuff that obvious and accessible.

  223. @anonynous
    "2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence."

    I respond:

    Do please stop mouthing ridiculous nonsense. The ethnic Jewish population of the United States was never higher than 3%.

    Jewish influence and dominance of American elections is because of their dominance of the US Media and the donor class. It's reality that CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, all Hollywood studios are dominated by this J media mafia.

    The last White Gentile goy of any prominence owning major news media was the Southerner Ted Turner - when he sold out to Gerald Levin and Time Warner inc - that was all she wrote. This J media mafia had/has near monopoly control - they can incite US wars against Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Russia - incite mobs to try to murder honest White police officers in Ferguson MO, demand unrestricted Saudi Islamic migration, train Saudi Islamists that hate us to become pilots in Florida.

    That's the way it is.

    Your statement is correct with respect to he 20th century, but Anon is also correct about the future. It wasn’t just Jewish oligarch money that led to the domination of the media and the donor class: is was that fact that this tiny percent of the population, most importantly, had an abundance of high IQ members that could staff organizations in a wide variety of fields, all advocating for Jewish interests at all times. There will be very few Jews of the quality seen in the 20th century around 50 years from now: even if the billionaires are still Jewish, at that point they will be more like Saudi royals than what we saw in the last 100 years.

    My generation will be the last generation with a lot of high quality Jews (I’m in my mid-30s). My dorm at an Ivy had tons of Jews, the children of baby boomers (families of 1-2 kids). But the GenXers had even fewer kids, and intermarried more. And yes, in my day, it seemed like more than half of the Jewish guys were dating Asian girls. None of the Jews I went to school with have even had kids, not to mention the fact that that they are intermarried if they are married.

    So the long story short is that in 50 years, there just won’t be any Jews around to staff Jewish interest organizations, at least, Jews of the sort of quality that led to the domination of the media, academia, non-profit sector, etc. Today’s Hasidic jews are unfortunately not all that bright: yes, the high IQ Ashkenazis have unfortunately genocided themselves in the process of attempting to genocide the goyim.

  224. Don’t go to work Wednesday to protest impeachment.

  225. @Reg Cæsar

    The same message as to blacks who don’t like being “profiled”. Yeah, the profile might not fit you. But if you don’t like the profile … fix your community!
     
    The complaint wasn't discrimination, it was insufficient discrimination. That's what the "not all", or "not me", argument is about.

    How does one counter the "all men are rapists [except Bill Clinton]" claim, if "not all" is bogus?

    “Not all” isn’t bogus, not even close to a majority of men are rapists.

    “Not all men” is only bogus for feminists. We’re not required to accept their arguments.

  226. @J.Ross
    And boom goes the dynamite:
    https://twitter.com/Immort4l_Legacy/status/1206722884082831361
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCKAZI1kdnw

    Looks a lot like the 10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman, er, woman. Shoshana Roberts. Wrong colour eyes though.

    Lets have a gratuitous pic:

  227. @Art Deco
    On her twitter feed, Eliza Shapiro claims that she has “five sources” who heard the Jewish girl screaming about this, in other words, there was no meeting and no one did any barging.

    It's doubtful that she was 'screaming' in any venue and that she offered the same complaint in different venues doesn't render it false that her meeting with the counselor was interrupted. No clue why you're attempting to advance that thesis.

    I am not “attempting to advance that thesis.” I’m telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I’m not attacking you. I’m reporting from behind enemy lines.

    Shapiro was saying, based on “five sources” that the incident didn’t happen the way the Post said it did.

    Unlike a lot of people here, I think forewarned is forearmed, so I’m telling you what the ringleader of the bad side is saying. Or, to you your phrasing, the thesis she is advancing.

    I happen to think Shapiro is repeating bullshit told her from five kids who are feeding her a line. Why that upsets you, I can’t imagine. Impeachment stress? Too much champagne after the smashing Conservative win?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I am not “attempting to advance that thesis.” I’m telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I’m not attacking you. I’m reporting from behind enemy lines.

    No, your thesis is derivative of what she said.
  228. @Nico

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
     
    I'm glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he's "right-wing" on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other's throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    The Jewish attitude towards Palestinian-Israeli Christians has changed for the better, for two reasons:

    1. Israel is the only place in the world where Christians have a better school system than Jews; and

    2. They run the best restaurants. Somebody’s gotta do it.

    • Replies: @Nico
    Interesting information. I'd be happy if it were true. Any data?
  229. @Stealth

    Despite appearances to the contrary, they ARE a minority.
     
    I've long believed that blacks are a greater share of the US population than the measly thirteen percent we've been told they are. Everywhere I go, even in places like rural New England, there they are. I don't know if they're being under-counted by the census or what.

    Accordingly, I've never been to any of these mythical all-white towns I keep hearing about.

    You’re seeing blacks in your soup.

  230. @Jane Plain
    I am not "attempting to advance that thesis." I'm telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I'm not attacking you. I'm reporting from behind enemy lines.

    Shapiro was saying, based on "five sources" that the incident didn't happen the way the Post said it did.

    Unlike a lot of people here, I think forewarned is forearmed, so I'm telling you what the ringleader of the bad side is saying. Or, to you your phrasing, the thesis she is advancing.

    I happen to think Shapiro is repeating bullshit told her from five kids who are feeding her a line. Why that upsets you, I can't imagine. Impeachment stress? Too much champagne after the smashing Conservative win?

    I am not “attempting to advance that thesis.” I’m telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I’m not attacking you. I’m reporting from behind enemy lines.

    No, your thesis is derivative of what she said.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    Nope, it's a report of Eliza Shapiro's tweets. (I don't believe her.)

    And thanks - I thought you were one of the few sane people around here. You've proven otherwise.

    You've given me a good excuse to go back to work and stop wasting my time on maniacs, kvetchers and losers.

  231. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too.

    Do you hear hoofbeats? Our fellow Americans are a heartbeat away from transforming into Cossacks to come get us, eh Jack?

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations.

    Yes, Jews always integrate and intermarry. It’s why Jews still exist as a distinct group after 3,000 years, but any day now they won’t. Wait…

    Come on Fellow Jew Jack, with your attitudes we both know your own wife is Jewish. But yeah every other Jew is intermarrying.

    Gimme a break.

  232. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Moshe Kantor is the head of the European Jewish Congress.

    Moshe Kantor firmly believes that assimilation is an existential and urgent threat to European Jewry

    That’s interesting. Why does he call it a threat rather an opportunity, if Jews have been as historically keen to integrate as you claim?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Integration will save the Jewish body but kill the Jewish soul.
  233. @Art Deco
    I am not “attempting to advance that thesis.” I’m telling you what Eliza Shapiro says. Calm down, I’m not attacking you. I’m reporting from behind enemy lines.

    No, your thesis is derivative of what she said.

    Nope, it’s a report of Eliza Shapiro’s tweets. (I don’t believe her.)

    And thanks – I thought you were one of the few sane people around here. You’ve proven otherwise.

    You’ve given me a good excuse to go back to work and stop wasting my time on maniacs, kvetchers and losers.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    I don't believe Eliza Shapiro, either.
    , @Not Raul
    Please come back. We need more people with a decent BS detector around here.
  234. @silviosilver
    Moshe Kantor is the head of the European Jewish Congress.

    Moshe Kantor firmly believes that assimilation is an existential and urgent threat to European Jewry
     
    That's interesting. Why does he call it a threat rather an opportunity, if Jews have been as historically keen to integrate as you claim?

    Integration will save the Jewish body but kill the Jewish soul.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    One of the things I admire about Jewish culture is the degree to which they resist assimilation. I see that as a positive trait. They aren't wrong to try to maintain their own distinct culture, language, and ethnic/genetic identity.
  235. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    “. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations.”

    Bollocks. Some did, some didn’t. Enough retained their own ethnic identity to cause major problems. Even when intermarrying, a lot of them did so strategically to capture positions of power (e.g., the English aristocracy).

    Why do you exclude Poland? After all, Poland had Europe’s largest Jewish population per capita before WW2, because that’s where most of the 6 million allegedly came from.

    Simply go read one of the hundreds of books written by Jews who lived in Poland before WW2. They will tell you outright that there was NO assimilation or intermarriage. Jewish parents would expel Jewish girls who dared date Polish or Belorussian boys. They would spit on gravestones and in front of churches, refusing any form of contact but commercial exchanges. This is not even remotely debatable given how the sheer number of autobiographies back it up.

    Hungary was likely the same, and we all know how well they ‘integrated’ in the Russian Empire.

    “Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in.”

    False. They took over the English aristocracy. Go read Burke’s peerage, or Pines “Tales of the British Aristocracy”

    “And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren’t Jewish anymore”

    Evidence please.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Hungary was likely the same, and we all know how well they ‘integrated’ in the Russian Empire


    “Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in.”

    False. They took over the English aristocracy. Go read Burke’s peerage, or Pines “Tales of the British Aristocracy”


    Hungary was not the same as Poland . Approximately a quarter of Hungarian Jews converted to Christianity in the nineteenth century. Jack's point is not that Jews have an overwhelming desire to assimilate no matter the circumstances, but rather that in Western prosperous educated societies such as pre-war Berlin and Budapest, and present day America assimilation will prove irresistible. The mechanism is push/pull- a weakening of traditional observance and the attraction of Modern society.

    Regarding assimilation into British aristocracy , I'm not clear why you think that supports your point rather than Jack's.
  236. @Jack D
    Integration will save the Jewish body but kill the Jewish soul.

    One of the things I admire about Jewish culture is the degree to which they resist assimilation. I see that as a positive trait. They aren’t wrong to try to maintain their own distinct culture, language, and ethnic/genetic identity.

  237. @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today’s GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men).

    Yo, why you dissin’ my homies like dat? Sorry to disappoint you, but ultra-Orthodox Jews are no different genetically from other Ashkenazi Jews, they just live in a quasi-shtetl. The Ashkenazi Jewish demographic that dominates the heights of contemporary Western culture/civilization were ultra-Orthodox Jews just a few generations back.

  238. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Jack: is there anything that we can do to accelerate the learning/detribalisation process? There is a race condition now: will AJs become less antagonistic towards the old ethnic core before the country dissolves….what happens first? BTW do you think that Gentiles even have aright to notice their own peril or try to do something about it?
    You seem to be saying that Jewish nature must run its course……who made up that rule? Does every ethnic group have a right to “run its course?”

    Jack: let your kin know that the US is not forever, and may not even another 10 years, and to re-purpose the Beatles “The love you take = the love you make [towards the old ethnic core.]

  239. @Arclight
    Although we currently live in the Age of Wokeness in which all of the ills afflicting blacks are the fault of whites, my feeling is that a lot of the younger non-blacks being subjected to this and experiencing the backlash are going hit their 30s and shed whatever guilt they may currently carry.

    It reminds me of the atmosphere in DC in the late 90s and early aughts, when the city was still dominated by black politics and culture and the attitude was it was their town and they'd do as they please, whites just needed to put up with it. A lot of my white Democratic friends eventually would confide that they lost whatever white guilt they arrived in town with, and although most of them say the correct things, it's hard not to notice that DC's demographics and political center of gravity has shifted enormously in the last 20 years. That's not an accident.

    It's easy to be woke when you live far from the consequences of it, but when it's your kids and career being directly impacted on a daily basis, attitudes change. I feel like a big part of wokeness is certain parts of the left realizing that blacks probably hit their political/cultural apogee already and demographic changes in their base and the culture at large means there is going to be a lot less interest in their feelings in the not so distant future, so this is a last gasp effort to try and lock in the idea that although they are only 1/8th of the country, they still come first in oppression Pokemon points now and forever and our politics should be deferential to that.

    The unanswerable question for negroes seems to be: “If Anerica is so racist, why do we bigots allow you to dictate policy to us, ruin people’s lives with manufactured hate crimes, and fund expensive studies designed to excuse your inexcusable behavior?”

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  240. @Coag

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn’t do so because they were tribal – they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South – they really didn’t have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.
     
    Uh that’s the opposite of the reality. Eastern European Jews did not integrate because the rabbis did such a good job of inculcating a sense of tribalism and mental separateness among their young people. Sabbath regulations, kosher practices, guilt trips, etc have always been and will always be used by the community to prevent individuals from becoming too chummy with the gentile neighbors.

    If you want to talk about Poland then in 1759 thousands of Jews, in the wake of a failed false messiah movement, converted en masse to Catholicism, welcomed with open arms by all classes of Polish society. Many even became Polish nobility. Church bells all over the Commonwealth celebrated this stupendous and unbelievable event. Any voluntary conversion of Jews in Europe, including Eastern Europe, was always treated as a propaganda coup for the Christian authorities and ostentatiously celebrated. The problem was, short of major individual or collective psychological traumas (like a failed false messiah movement), very few Jews (or any other person) would be willing to repudiate the practices of their forefathers and casually change religions.

    If you want to talk about Poland then in 1759 thousands of Jews, in the wake of a failed false messiah movement, converted en masse to Catholicism, welcomed with open arms by all classes of Polish society. Many even became Polish nobility. Church bells all over the Commonwealth celebrated this stupendous and unbelievable event. Any voluntary conversion of Jews in Europe, including Eastern Europe, was always treated as a propaganda coup for the Christian authorities and ostentatiously celebrated. The problem was, short of major individual or collective psychological traumas (like a failed false messiah movement), very few Jews (or any other person) would be willing to repudiate the practices of their forefathers and casually change religions.

    If you are referring to the Frankist movement and I think you are, their conversion was not motivated by the collective trauma of a false messiah. They believed more or less that Sabbatai Tzevi was the true or at least a true messiah. Their conversion was motivated by their persecution at the hands of rabbinic Jews, who would not countenance their Heterodoxy. As their was no freedom of conscience in Poland , i.e. if you were Jewish you had to abide by Jewish religious authorities rules , if you were Christian you had to abide by Christian religious authority etc. , their best option was to convert and cut a special deal with Church authorities to gain a great deal of autonomy(they were hardly orthodox Catholics) in exchange for the great propaganda coup they were giving the Church. Pawel Maciejko has written the best history of this episode “The Mixed Multitude: Jacob Frank and the Frankist Movement, 1755-1816”.

  241. @jbwilson24
    ". Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations."

    Bollocks. Some did, some didn't. Enough retained their own ethnic identity to cause major problems. Even when intermarrying, a lot of them did so strategically to capture positions of power (e.g., the English aristocracy).

    Why do you exclude Poland? After all, Poland had Europe's largest Jewish population per capita before WW2, because that's where most of the 6 million allegedly came from.

    Simply go read one of the hundreds of books written by Jews who lived in Poland before WW2. They will tell you outright that there was NO assimilation or intermarriage. Jewish parents would expel Jewish girls who dared date Polish or Belorussian boys. They would spit on gravestones and in front of churches, refusing any form of contact but commercial exchanges. This is not even remotely debatable given how the sheer number of autobiographies back it up.

    Hungary was likely the same, and we all know how well they 'integrated' in the Russian Empire.

    "Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in."

    False. They took over the English aristocracy. Go read Burke's peerage, or Pines "Tales of the British Aristocracy"

    "And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren’t Jewish anymore"

    Evidence please.

    Hungary was likely the same, and we all know how well they ‘integrated’ in the Russian Empire

    “Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in.”

    False. They took over the English aristocracy. Go read Burke’s peerage, or Pines “Tales of the British Aristocracy”

    Hungary was not the same as Poland . Approximately a quarter of Hungarian Jews converted to Christianity in the nineteenth century. Jack’s point is not that Jews have an overwhelming desire to assimilate no matter the circumstances, but rather that in Western prosperous educated societies such as pre-war Berlin and Budapest, and present day America assimilation will prove irresistible. The mechanism is push/pull- a weakening of traditional observance and the attraction of Modern society.

    Regarding assimilation into British aristocracy , I’m not clear why you think that supports your point rather than Jack’s.

    • Agree: Jack D, Duke84
  242. @Art Deco
    There were about 70,000 Christians in Israel in 1990; there are about 160,000 today, increasing at a rate a tad faster than that of the general population. Out of an Arab population in Israel of about 1.7 million, about 7,000 are currently incarcerated (accounting for about 35% of the incarcerated). They're not living under any legal disabilities and have a franchise the Jewish population does not have: they aren't subject to military conscription.

    I'm sure Cairo is a much more agreeable place to live:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46075969

    how many , from Ru etc, are deemed not Jewish enough to ever be granted Israeli citizenship?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    If I'm not mistaken, someone who is a spouse, first-degree or second-degree relation of someone deemed Jewish according to conventional standards can settle in Israel under the Law of Return. As far as I'm aware, they qualify for Israeli citizenship but are not counted as Jews in census enumerations.

    The Christian population of Israel is predominantly Arab:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/10/5-facts-about-israeli-christians/


    If you look at the Pew descriptive statistics on baptisms and marriage, that's not what you'd see of a secularized Jewish-heritage population from Soviet Russia (who entered Israel because they are relatives of Jews).

  243. @Anon
    Blacks seem to be most riled up by other blacks, since they kill each other at such a high rate. They must find each other to be profoundly annoying, I have a morbid curiosity to witness the results of 1000 years of killing each other on an isolated population; would it become more domestic with time, or just perpetuate the violent genes?

    In an African context I would say the latter.

  244. @Jack D
    Putting aside whether there is a gene for tribalism, I think you have this exactly backward. For 2,000 years, Jews lived in an environment that oscillated between (sometimes wary) welcome and hostility (which could sometimes change on a moments notice) that varied from discriminatory to murderous. Yes, America has treated the Jews better than almost anyplace else but the Jews of Berlin and Budapest thought that they were in pretty good shape too. So Jews are never going to quit looking over their shoulders even here in the America paradise. The rug has been pulled out from under them too many times.

    And yet, anywhere they were able to integrate, they did. Any Jewish family that did well in Germany or Hungary usually intermarried and converted after a couple of generations. Same thing in England after they allowed Jews back in. And most of the early Sephardic Jewish families of America aren't Jewish anymore - their tiny community dissolved into America's vastness long ago. Most of those Confederate Jews had Christian wives and Christian children. The same thing is going on in America right now - the "Jewish question" is going to solve itself because in a couple of generations there won't be any unmixed non-Orthodox Ashkenazi Jews left.

    The Jews populations in E. Europe that did not integrate didn't do so because they were tribal - they were tribal because they lived in a hostile environment where their integration was not accepted by the locals. This is like saying that blacks did not integrate in the Jim Crow South - they really didn't have any choice in the matter. Jews and non-Jews in Poland lived as separately as blacks and whites in Mississippi, maybe even more so because they worshiped a different God, ate different foods, wore different clothes, etc. They even spoke a different language. Blaming the Jews for not integrating in that environment is ridiculous.

    Even in the US, Eastern Jews arrived only a few generation ago and initially were not accepted in many institutions (law firms, hospital staffs, etc.) until after WWII (they weren't accepted by German Jews either, but never mind). The "tribalism" that you are seeing is really a residual problem that will cure itself in another generation or two at the most.

    Essentially Jews had a choice:
    1. Keep to themselves, preserving their religion, traditions and living on a ‘reservation/ghetto’.
    2. Convert and join the mainstream society and be equal to them.
    Jews had a privilege of choice Whites nowadays lack. Neither they can keep to themselves and live on a reservation (diversity will find and haunt you cause the area is too White), nor they can join the mainstream. No mater how woke they try to be they will be labelled as evil Whitey who need to constantly redeem their sins by being allies.
    As for the lack of right among Jews or ‘pogroms’. Jews enjoyed higher position and privilege in Polish society than Christian Orthodox brothers: poor peasants in Belarussia and Ukraine.

  245. anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    There were about 70,000 Christians in Israel in 1990; there are about 160,000 today, increasing at a rate a tad faster than that of the general population. Out of an Arab population in Israel of about 1.7 million, about 7,000 are currently incarcerated (accounting for about 35% of the incarcerated). They're not living under any legal disabilities and have a franchise the Jewish population does not have: they aren't subject to military conscription.

    I'm sure Cairo is a much more agreeable place to live:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46075969

    For all practical purposes, ultra-Orthodox Jews (currently around 13% of Israel’s total population) are exempt from any serious military service. Despite fairly generous concessions, the actual number of enlistees continue to shrink and are inflated for political purposes.

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/religious-secular-in-israel-israel/report-haredi-draft-dropped-20-in-2018/2019/12/01/

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-head-promises-reckoning-over-misreported-haredi-draft-figures/

  246. @Dissident
    Mr. Sailer:

    My commenting history will reveal numerous instances in which I have disavowed and even castigated Jews who scold and express hostility toward Whites. I have also, on more than one occasion, explicitly expressed agreement with criticisms and less-than-flattering characterizations of Jews that you have made. With that noted, I'm afraid I must challenge the frankly incendiary characterizations upon which you have predicated both this as well as the linked previous post of yours on the topic of Beacon High School.

    I have now read through both Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd as well as this New York Post article by Susan Edelman that is dated December 15th. First, just where has Ms. Shapiro engaged-in "efforts to stir up anti-white sentiment at Beacon"? Wasn't her article merely reporting on events at and surrounding Beacon High School?

    You titled your December 2nd post highlighting Shapiro's article of that same date A Public School That Is 47% White Is Denounced as "Segregated". But just who made that denounciation? Ms. Shapiro? A search of the entire text of her article for "segregat" (thereby including all possible variations of segregate and segregation) returns five instances therein, none of which would appear to constitute evidence that Ms. Shapiro, in referring-to Beacon or any of the other schools cited in her article as "segregated" was doing anything more than citing characterizations that had been made by others[1]. At most, a few instances of Ms. Shapiro's use of the characterization-in-question could perhaps be considered ambiguous as to whether or not they evidenced implicit editoralizing on her part.

    Here, you suggest that Eliza Shapiro is to blame for what the NY Post article describes as a hostile environment for Jews that has recently developed at Beacon High. But does that very article not make it quite clear that any such hostility is the direct result of the actions and statements of students and one or more teachers at that school? That much would seem self-evident even just from the portion of said article that you quoted. The full article goes on to report, of the "white Jewish girl" in-question, that,


    Later, she said, one of her teachers chided her, telling her, ”People are going to hate you because you’re Jewish,” and “You don’t understand your privilege.”
     
    [1] The instances in-question, quoted directly from Eliza Shapiro's NY Times article of December 2nd:

    Roughly 300 students walked out of Beacon on Monday to protest its high-stakes admissions process, which they said has exacerbated segregation in the nation’s largest school system.
     

    The high school, in Hell’s Kitchen, Manhattan, is now at the center of a push for large-scale desegregation that Mr. de Blasio’s administration has not endorsed.
     

    Schools Chancellor Richard A. Carranza has promised, with sweeping rhetoric, to desegregate schools, but he has not yet released any major integration policies of his own during his 18 months on the job.
     

    A panel commissioned by Mr. de Blasio to study desegregation policies[...]
     

    Sadie Lee, an Asian-American Beacon sophomore who lives in Brooklyn, said she had benefited from the segregated system[...]"
     

    Eliza Shapiro has been writing articles about the horrors of whites having their own segregated schools (which usually turn out to be less than half white) for a year or two.

  247. @eah
    OT

    "Sarazin Sarrazin hat Recht" -- Die Welt tweets a story highlighting recent data showing uneducated (and dumb) migrant parents are having LOTS of children, and someone answers "Sarrazin is right" -- Dr Gottfried Curio, a physicist and one of the leading AfD politicians, often talks about the same thing: differential birthrates, ie intelligent, educated Germans having the fewest children, and what it means for the country langfristig.

    https://twitter.com/BartlitzJoachim/status/1206469936643760135

    Those are all white Germans. Look at the hands.

  248. @Anon
    The biggest story for Ashkenazi Jews is collapsing demographics. Leading into the 2000's, there was a high degree of childlessness and intermarriage among GenX Jews. But these trends went stratospheric among Millennials, as the Great Recession reduced birth rates and the last remaining Jewish guys pursued Asian girls. There is a certain irony that the Ivy League made this problem much worse, basically creating a giant matchmaking service for UMC Jewish Men and Asian Women.

    The only remaining Jews in two decades will be the elderly (today's GenX), some isolated pockets in NYC and West LA, and then lots and lots of ultra-Orthodox (who make West Virginia trailer trash look like Renaissance Men). The prognosis is equally bad for Israel, which is a dysfunctional state kept afloat by aid from the US (highest per-capita recipient on the globe) and much more friendly private investment from US co-ethnics. It is dawning on many Jews that their culture is doomed demographically, which is the subtext of the repeated election fiascos in Israel and the desperate antics by US Jews -- i.e., impeachment.

    2020, 2024 (and maybe 2028) will be the last election cycles where Jews have meaningful influence. After that, the demographic math kicks in and it’s adios. Of course, as you noted, once you add in other competing demographics in the US, it compounds the issue.

    It’s not Jewish votes. It’s Jewish money that elects American politicians. How much of the money America gives to Israel comes back to bribe American politicians to give more money to Israel?

    Then there’s George Soros abd others like him.

  249. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Because it is their Jewishness.

    Jews feel safest and most comfortable in a multi-everything society. They stick out less. There's less chance of a society-wide blacklash against them. And they can play groups off of each other, which Jews are particularly adept at doing.

    Our current situation isn't an accident.

    The people who keep “naming the Jew” here are all fans of Jeffrey MacDonald, not because he’s a brilliant scholar, but because he’s an anti-Semite.

    MacDonald’s whole “scientific” edifice is “Jewish ethnocentrism.”

    If the Jews were truly ethnocentric, and for MacDonald, they are the most ethnocentric people in existence, they would never marry gentiles. But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    I live in an Irish neighborhood. These people look they just got off the boat. When I used to wait to pick up my kid from elementary school, I’d see all these little Irish kids waiting for their big brothers and sisters to get let out. Half of them looked like my kid’s classmates’ brothers. “Are you so-and-so’s brother?,” I’d ask. The answer was always, “No,” and they weren’t cousins, either. I soon stopped asking, lest anyone accuse me of being a child molester.

    Over 80% of the Irish in my neighborhood marry Irish. Most of the other 20% engage in racial intermarriage, with Italian or German Catholics. That’s why you see some racially ambiguous-looking girls of all ages. The Irish marry Irish, stay Irish, and get their brethren jobs. Such loyalties typically exist only among wealthy Jews, whether Orthodox or non-Orthodox.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.
     
    There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined.

    Kinda weird for such a non-ethnocentric group, don't you think?

    Who's Jeffrey MacDonald anyway?
    , @Art Deco
    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    I think you mean Kevin MacDonald, the psychologist at Cal State Long Beach, not Jeffrey MacDonald, the Army physician who slaughtered his wife and children.


    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    Pretty sure Henry Kissinger's father was a gymnasium instructor (taught accounting, I believe) who began teaching around 1910.
    , @anon
    But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    Which majority of which Jews? Do you mean the majority of all Jewish people world wide? The majority of Jewish people in North Africa? The majority of Jews in Israel? The majority of Jews in Europe? The majority of Jews in the US?

    This is a very vague statement. It's so vague as to be without meaning. Perhaps you should clarify and maybe even provide some kind of citation to support it?
  250. @anonynous
    New York City does seem hopeless, civilization falling down, immigration anarchy, Black criminal anarchy.

    Does this seem familiar?

    That was David Dinkins New York City in the early 90s.

    So many people said that New York City Jews were hopeless, that they would always excuse/enable the worst Black Lib Leftist politics, Blacks couldn't be held responsible for their crimes because of Racism.....

    What changed:

    The Crown Heights Brooklyn Black riots, pogrom against orthodox Jews. So Black AA boy ran out in traffic and was struck and killed by an Orthodox Jewish funeral hearse and guess who?

    Non other than Rev Al Sharpton/Rev Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities led the mobs shouting "kill the Jews"

    This was enough, even for the most true believer Lib Leftist Jews.

    New York City Jews voted for law and order tough Italian mayor Rudy Guliani and civilization was restored.

    Wasn’t Guiliani elected 35,40 years ago?

    The Tessa Majors killing seems to have brought back the Jewish black coalition against the White goyim. It’s very different from the Central Park jogger that turned NY Whites, including Jews against the hyena packs.

    Anti White anti police pro black criminal son of communists DeBlasio was elected mayor twice. He made it clear he was for opening the jails, bail for detainee at no cost, no school discipline and the worst and most dangerous liberal agenda.

    And the Jewish black coalition made him mayor twice.

    Many of us deplorables think of NYC as a town inhabited by nothing but Jewish billionaires, Jewish radical SJWs, gays feminazis, vegans, trans genders, scattered buttinskies, tree worshippers, pit bull lovers and other childless Jewish cause people on top, black and brown criminals with hordes of hyena children the rest of the population.

    That’s just what NYC projects.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
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    , @Jack D

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim
     
    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in - Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY - Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don't have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    , @Hibernian
    The white ethnic neighborhoods have been reduced to Staten Island, Eastern Queens, and very small pockets in the Bronx and Brooklyn.
  251. @anarchyst
    It is refreshing to see jews face their own comeuppance.

    As jews have been at the forefront of the so-called "civil-rights (for some)" movement, the "chickens are coming home to roost" and they are getting a taste of their own medication".

    Couldn't happen to a better group.

    Civil Rights For Everyone But Whites.

  252. @Nicholas Stix
    The people who keep “naming the Jew” here are all fans of Jeffrey MacDonald, not because he’s a brilliant scholar, but because he’s an anti-Semite.

    MacDonald’s whole “scientific” edifice is “Jewish ethnocentrism.”

    If the Jews were truly ethnocentric, and for MacDonald, they are the most ethnocentric people in existence, they would never marry gentiles. But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    I live in an Irish neighborhood. These people look they just got off the boat. When I used to wait to pick up my kid from elementary school, I’d see all these little Irish kids waiting for their big brothers and sisters to get let out. Half of them looked like my kid’s classmates’ brothers. “Are you so-and-so’s brother?,” I’d ask. The answer was always, “No,” and they weren’t cousins, either. I soon stopped asking, lest anyone accuse me of being a child molester.

    Over 80% of the Irish in my neighborhood marry Irish. Most of the other 20% engage in racial intermarriage, with Italian or German Catholics. That’s why you see some racially ambiguous-looking girls of all ages. The Irish marry Irish, stay Irish, and get their brethren jobs. Such loyalties typically exist only among wealthy Jews, whether Orthodox or non-Orthodox.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined.

    Kinda weird for such a non-ethnocentric group, don’t you think?

    Who’s Jeffrey MacDonald anyway?

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    "There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined."

    Uh, no.

    He's your guy, why ask me? Isn't he the Green Beret Jewologist who wiped out his family?
  253. @Jane Plain
    Nope, it's a report of Eliza Shapiro's tweets. (I don't believe her.)

    And thanks - I thought you were one of the few sane people around here. You've proven otherwise.

    You've given me a good excuse to go back to work and stop wasting my time on maniacs, kvetchers and losers.

    I don’t believe Eliza Shapiro, either.

  254. @nglaer
    How sad that one can't for a moment imagine a contemporary Sixty Minutes doing something like this. Morley Safer seems heroic in retrospect. (I knew him slightly).

    Morley Safer? I knew him. I knew him very well. You dee…we were lovers.
    He was the best I ever had.

  255. @anonynous
    New York City does seem hopeless, civilization falling down, immigration anarchy, Black criminal anarchy.

    Does this seem familiar?

    That was David Dinkins New York City in the early 90s.

    So many people said that New York City Jews were hopeless, that they would always excuse/enable the worst Black Lib Leftist politics, Blacks couldn't be held responsible for their crimes because of Racism.....

    What changed:

    The Crown Heights Brooklyn Black riots, pogrom against orthodox Jews. So Black AA boy ran out in traffic and was struck and killed by an Orthodox Jewish funeral hearse and guess who?

    Non other than Rev Al Sharpton/Rev Bacon from Bonfire of the Vanities led the mobs shouting "kill the Jews"

    This was enough, even for the most true believer Lib Leftist Jews.

    New York City Jews voted for law and order tough Italian mayor Rudy Guliani and civilization was restored.

    Do you think they might elect Nicole Malliotakis, or someone similar, next election? A lot has changed.

  256. @ATBOTL

    Dollars to donuts the (post-)Jewish girl getting mauled here is just as atomized as the whites we’re both concerned about. It’s not about Jew vs White, it’s about kids losing their roots.
     
    The fact that this girl is being made a cause celebre by the center right media, as a Jewish girl specifically, rather than just "white," proves you wrong. The organized Jewish community in America is a colossal network of hundreds of organizations, with major clout inside of the establishment. To suggest that young Jews are experiencing the same lack of support from their own ethnic community and lack of access to institutional power that young whites are experiencing is preposterous.

    National headline: “Jew doesn’t get into Ivy League! Future of Zionism threatened — Nazis to blame”

    I mean, that’s basically the same as yet another midwestern top student getting quietly and routinely rejected, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You have this backward. That wasn't the headline at all. The headline was that when she complained about it, she was physically threatened by blacks and a near riot ensued. A Jews is at best another white person to blacks (at worst they hate them as much as you do) especially if they are not fully on board with the black agenda.

    I think you will really enjoy the new Woke America where blacks get to spout off like this:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7804745/Israeli-student-subjected-sickening-foul-mouthed-anti-Semitic-tirade-New-York-subway.html

    Of course if you tried it, they would drag you away in handcuffs, but maybe you can get a vicarious thrill from Zarinah's rant.
  257. @silviosilver

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.
     
    There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined.

    Kinda weird for such a non-ethnocentric group, don't you think?

    Who's Jeffrey MacDonald anyway?

    “There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined.”

    Uh, no.

    He’s your guy, why ask me? Isn’t he the Green Beret Jewologist who wiped out his family?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    I've never heard of any Jeffrey MacDonald.

    Anyway, please post more, Nick. Your absurd denials are so cute, and they do half the work for me.
    , @Hibernian
    Is someone confusing Jeffrey McDonald with Kevin McDonald?
    , @Hibernian
    Is someone confusing Jeffrey McDonald with Kevin McDonald?
  258. So let me just check and see if I have everything current and up to date.

    Thus far, inasmuch as I can determine it, the argument here consists of:

    Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews.

    To which the reply consists of:

    Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews.

    Wake me if I missed anything.

  259. @Alden
    Wasn’t Guiliani elected 35,40 years ago?

    The Tessa Majors killing seems to have brought back the Jewish black coalition against the White goyim. It’s very different from the Central Park jogger that turned NY Whites, including Jews against the hyena packs.

    Anti White anti police pro black criminal son of communists DeBlasio was elected mayor twice. He made it clear he was for opening the jails, bail for detainee at no cost, no school discipline and the worst and most dangerous liberal agenda.

    And the Jewish black coalition made him mayor twice.

    Many of us deplorables think of NYC as a town inhabited by nothing but Jewish billionaires, Jewish radical SJWs, gays feminazis, vegans, trans genders, scattered buttinskies, tree worshippers, pit bull lovers and other childless Jewish cause people on top, black and brown criminals with hordes of hyena children the rest of the population.

    That’s just what NYC projects.

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  260. @Altai

    One Instagram post accused her of saying “minorities stole her spot,”
     
    'Accused'? She basically said that is what she said. That's the point of her disappointment.

    In truth, minorities did not steal her spot. It was the parasites in charge stealing sports to give yo their more troublesome serfs, that they agitate against the ones who would cause them more trouble potentially.

  261. The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. Okay, you take the good with the bad and don’t complain. A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves.

    • Disagree: Hegar
    • Replies: @Hegar
    "The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. "

    How did you "work long and hard," Nosenstein? By attacking Whites through the media day after day, year after year, for generations. How is that "working to be admitted to the white race"? Jews BRAG about not being White. And only call yourselves White when it suits you, for claiming that "Whites dominate Hollywood" and other lies.

    Laughable to claim that "the crap being dished out to whites" wouldn't have been invented by Jewish Hollywood and the media in the first place. In the beginning of the 20th century Jewish Hollywood corporations made one race-mixing, anti-"racist" movie every year even though they knew they'd lose money on it, purely for propaganda purposes. To slowly make sure people knew an anti-White gang was in charge and they better obey, or else.

    Jewish media owners and journos attacked any White who opposed race-mixing and mass immigration. Over and over again they made up slurs and destroyed people's reputation to control the universities and politics.

    And you pretend the anti-White atmosphere just - comes from nowhere! Laughable.

    "A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves."

    The Jewish writer reveals his hatred of Whites. But keep using an Italian user name, maybe you'll fool someone.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    Perhaps it is a sign of stupidity to quote oneself (in my case, it could be a dialectical synthesis of stupidity & laziness). Just, things are more complicated, as I've said in another comments section...

    Are Jews white?

    What does it mean?

    “White” does not mean much in Europe, I think it’s evident; it is implied that Hungarians or Italians are white. Whether there are black English, it’s up to real English to decide, but for normal European peoples- white phenotype is taken for granted. There is nothing to discuss there. In the US & similar countries, white would mean white phenotype plus Euro-American cultural/historical values, i.e. specific loyalty to the Western world & its cultural-historical continuity. US Jews, most of them, are phenotypically white, not much different from Italians or Greeks. But, what about their loyalties?

    I would say there is no uniform way they would react, but somewhere deep down they fear white “racial” identity, not just because of WW2 experience, but even more because “white” implies a combination of Greece, Rome & Christianity – their old enemies (Rome crushed their revolts in 1st & 2nd C AD; Christian crusaders turned on them along the way).

    Christian iconography remains both seductive & alien to them, from Tolkien to Game of Thrones (which, by the way, I find boring, both of them. But boring is not alien.)

    So, when US Jews hear about whites, or about necessity to preserve normal white identity & not let be swamped by blacks & browns, they instinctively fear for their lives & security. They are hypnotized by their past. For instance, they cannot absorb their cousins’ experiences from South Africa & Brazil, where more black power (or any colored power) has proven to mean inevitable demise of the Jews.

    But what about insistence on historical American nation?

    Although some of their intellectuals feel sympathy & admiration for it, mostly in areas of high culture, I would say that most US Jews feel that “Americanism” is a secular multiculturalism in English, not a continuation & diversification of basically Euro-British historical culture. By the way, most old-stock cultured Americans did not care for Jews, or even resented them.

    In the radical form, Jewish (although some coming from Israel) alienation from white historical identity can be seen here:

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/07/25/the-white-issue-jews-are-not-white/

    The White Issue: Jews Are Not White

    https://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/295918/were-jews-were-not-white-we-define-ourselves/

    We’re Jews, We’re Not White, We Define Ourselves

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

    Ashkenazi Jews are not white – Response to Haaretz article

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    Yes, Ashkenazi Jews (Including Gal Gadot) Are People of Color

    Things are clear (at least to me): the doors should be open to Jews who see the threat of racial swamping of Euro-Americans & other whites anywhere, but one should not harbor delusions about numbers or influence of these Jews (or Jewish Americans).


    Because, ultimately, Western identity is not just a phenotype. It is the state of mind.

    What I’m more concerned about is not Jews, but self-hating Euro-Americans & Anglospheroids & Teutonics, and this is the real question….

    , @silviosilver
    That's just an unintended consequence of their anti-whitism.

    Of course, they still have the extremely powerful "anti-semite" card.

    White gentiles have no card.

  262. @houston 1992
    how many , from Ru etc, are deemed not Jewish enough to ever be granted Israeli citizenship?

    If I’m not mistaken, someone who is a spouse, first-degree or second-degree relation of someone deemed Jewish according to conventional standards can settle in Israel under the Law of Return. As far as I’m aware, they qualify for Israeli citizenship but are not counted as Jews in census enumerations.

    The Christian population of Israel is predominantly Arab:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/05/10/5-facts-about-israeli-christians/

    If you look at the Pew descriptive statistics on baptisms and marriage, that’s not what you’d see of a secularized Jewish-heritage population from Soviet Russia (who entered Israel because they are relatives of Jews).

  263. @bomag

    The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors...
     
    Hmmm. Counselor-client privilege is kind of a sacred thing; I'd sure like the license to barge in on a few choice sessions of my choosing.

    "It's good to be king" says the student of proper color, barging wherever he/she/it wants without consequence.

    They should have white sound machines outside the door to mask conversations from dishonorable, grievance-cultivating eavesdroppers.

  264. @Alden
    Wasn’t Guiliani elected 35,40 years ago?

    The Tessa Majors killing seems to have brought back the Jewish black coalition against the White goyim. It’s very different from the Central Park jogger that turned NY Whites, including Jews against the hyena packs.

    Anti White anti police pro black criminal son of communists DeBlasio was elected mayor twice. He made it clear he was for opening the jails, bail for detainee at no cost, no school discipline and the worst and most dangerous liberal agenda.

    And the Jewish black coalition made him mayor twice.

    Many of us deplorables think of NYC as a town inhabited by nothing but Jewish billionaires, Jewish radical SJWs, gays feminazis, vegans, trans genders, scattered buttinskies, tree worshippers, pit bull lovers and other childless Jewish cause people on top, black and brown criminals with hordes of hyena children the rest of the population.

    That’s just what NYC projects.

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim

    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in – Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY – Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don’t have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    IIRC, the Mayor most congenial to the city's black politicians was ... John Lindsay. Ed Koch had famously contentious relations with various and sundry purveyors of identity politics. And, of course, Bloomberg was an advocate and practitioner of amply supplied police services working pro-actively (much to the irritation of our odious public interest bar and our odious sociology faculties).

    These boards are chock a block with people who fancy the body and blood of Joseph Rauh is wholly present in every particle of institutional life everywhere, so Jews are responsible even if there's not a single Jew in the HR department, the dean of students' office, or the provost's office (a situation that's commonly the case).
    , @Alden
    From Alden

    That’s the image NYC projects to the rest of the country. It’s not just the feminazis it’s the Jewish names on the NYTimes, and the Jewish attorneys always always aiding with blacks. Remember William Kunstler? He’s dead. But he’s the enduring image of aNYC anti White Jewish lawyer. There are plenty of replacements scrabbling for federal funding for their SJW non profit law firms.

    Then there’s the endless articles by NYC Jewish feminazis hating us deplorable goyim.

    All my life I’ve seen the Jewish black coalition.
    You claim to be a lawyer. Check the attorneys list the clerks make up when a law suit is first filed.

    Look on the anti White side of every school bussing, affirmative action, pro criminal, anti police anti Christmas etc lawsuit. Predominance of blatant, Jewish obvious names. Like a bar mitzvah invitation list.

    BTW if you’re not aware of the clerk’s attorney list, why they make it, and what they use it for, you’re not a lawyer, something I’ve suspected for a while.
    , @Art Deco
    Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don’t have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included AM Rosenthal, William Shawn, Martin Peretz, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Michael Kinsley, Nat Hentoff, Alan Dershowitz, Elie Wiesel, Hendrick Hertzberg, Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Irving Howe, Seymour Martin Lipset, Joseph Epstein, Leon Wieseltier, Noam Chomsky, Anthony Lewis, Michael Walzer, Robert Silvers, Jason Epstein, David Horowitz... Most of these people (1) didn't make a public point of their Jewishness or (2) wrote little or nothing about race matters (at least as related to black Americans), or (3) held views on race matters that standard-issue liberal journalists would find uncongenial.
    , @J.Ross
    There's not only no EVERY SINGLE JEW and black coalition, there is also no EVERY SINGLE BLACK and Jew coalition. But there is an undeniable evil synergy between the criminal element of both groups, which is more than enough for a meaningful concept.
  265. @Desiderius
    Lol. Just because you're atomized doesn't mean all whites are, though like Jews our affinities don't line up with skin color. Religion literally means "reconnection." Might want to try it if you're feeling blue.

    Dumb religionut chimes in, lacks any info or good argument, so preens about “MUH RELIGION!” It’s typical of losers like you, Desiderius, to attach yourselves to a religion to feel you have some worth, since you can’t create any worth on your own.

    And you claim, after your baseless insults against John, that “like Jews our affinities don’t line up with skin color” and “religion literally means reconnection”. So you think Whites should be allied on the basis of your religion, whatever crackpot church you have picked, and not race. In other words, you don’t want Whites to ally at all. By your logic, that race is irrelevant and nutcase religion is what to obey, any race that joins your church is your ally. Why Whites outside your church are not.

    Sorry, race traitor. That’s not for me. I think you’re at the wrong website. We’re dealing with the real world here, not your fantasies.

  266. @imbroglio
    The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. Okay, you take the good with the bad and don't complain. A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves.

    “The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. ”

    How did you “work long and hard,” Nosenstein? By attacking Whites through the media day after day, year after year, for generations. How is that “working to be admitted to the white race”? Jews BRAG about not being White. And only call yourselves White when it suits you, for claiming that “Whites dominate Hollywood” and other lies.

    Laughable to claim that “the crap being dished out to whites” wouldn’t have been invented by Jewish Hollywood and the media in the first place. In the beginning of the 20th century Jewish Hollywood corporations made one race-mixing, anti-“racist” movie every year even though they knew they’d lose money on it, purely for propaganda purposes. To slowly make sure people knew an anti-White gang was in charge and they better obey, or else.

    Jewish media owners and journos attacked any White who opposed race-mixing and mass immigration. Over and over again they made up slurs and destroyed people’s reputation to control the universities and politics.

    And you pretend the anti-White atmosphere just – comes from nowhere! Laughable.

    “A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves.”

    The Jewish writer reveals his hatred of Whites. But keep using an Italian user name, maybe you’ll fool someone.

  267. @Paleo Liberal
    The youngest of my 4 kids is going through college applications now. To say it is stressful would be an understatement.

    You are right about how much worse it is now. Many of the “fallback “ schools are now first tier schools. And the scone tier schools these days have acceptance rates in the 10-20% range. Not even HYPS had acceptance rates that low back in the day. My third kid is at a second tier college, with an acceptance rate of about 15% and falling fast, and felt extremely lucky to get in.

    We’re dealing with it as well. Contributing greatly to the lower acceptance rate is the Common App, which makes it feasible for kids to apply to 10 or more schools. When I was applying to colleges each application was different and completing them was time-consuming so it was more like apply to 3 or 4. As a result even what are thought of as second tier schools get 3-4x the applications they used to, which allows them to appear more selective.

    Making it more aggravating is some schools focus on “yield” (the percentage of kids they accept that choose to enroll) and that becomes a game. If a kid has HYPS scores and is applying to a second tier school, that school often assumes they’re just a fallback and the kid is highly unlikely to enroll so they pre-emptively reject the kid (its the “you can’t fire me because I quit first” type of thinking). You end up with this weird dynamic where kids that got into say Vanderbilt get rejected by (just an example) Univ of Tennessee.

    At the end of the day being rejected by a school for whatever (or no clear) reason IS still a rejection. Its hard for some kids (and some parents) to not take it personally. It can be a good learning opportunity though – life is often unfair and sometimes things are not going to work out they way you wanted. That’s just the way it is.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Both my kids did early decision/early action. If there is a school that they really like above the others (and has this option) this is really the way to go. Your odds are substantially better in this round. You don't have to apply to a bunch of schools and face a bunch of rejections. You get your decision early and don't have to live in suspense for most of your senior year.
  268. @William Badwhite
    We're dealing with it as well. Contributing greatly to the lower acceptance rate is the Common App, which makes it feasible for kids to apply to 10 or more schools. When I was applying to colleges each application was different and completing them was time-consuming so it was more like apply to 3 or 4. As a result even what are thought of as second tier schools get 3-4x the applications they used to, which allows them to appear more selective.

    Making it more aggravating is some schools focus on "yield" (the percentage of kids they accept that choose to enroll) and that becomes a game. If a kid has HYPS scores and is applying to a second tier school, that school often assumes they're just a fallback and the kid is highly unlikely to enroll so they pre-emptively reject the kid (its the "you can't fire me because I quit first" type of thinking). You end up with this weird dynamic where kids that got into say Vanderbilt get rejected by (just an example) Univ of Tennessee.

    At the end of the day being rejected by a school for whatever (or no clear) reason IS still a rejection. Its hard for some kids (and some parents) to not take it personally. It can be a good learning opportunity though - life is often unfair and sometimes things are not going to work out they way you wanted. That's just the way it is.

    Both my kids did early decision/early action. If there is a school that they really like above the others (and has this option) this is really the way to go. Your odds are substantially better in this round. You don’t have to apply to a bunch of schools and face a bunch of rejections. You get your decision early and don’t have to live in suspense for most of your senior year.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    I should have prefaced with "we just finished dealing with it" rather than "we are". In via ED. I think it helped that we marked "African American" for race (just kidding). It did help to be realistic in terms of choices. So now its mostly watch other parents wrap themselves into knots...

    ED is the easiest way to signal "if you let me in, I'm enrolling" so assuages the "yield" concern they might have.

  269. @Jack D
    Both my kids did early decision/early action. If there is a school that they really like above the others (and has this option) this is really the way to go. Your odds are substantially better in this round. You don't have to apply to a bunch of schools and face a bunch of rejections. You get your decision early and don't have to live in suspense for most of your senior year.

    I should have prefaced with “we just finished dealing with it” rather than “we are”. In via ED. I think it helped that we marked “African American” for race (just kidding). It did help to be realistic in terms of choices. So now its mostly watch other parents wrap themselves into knots…

    ED is the easiest way to signal “if you let me in, I’m enrolling” so assuages the “yield” concern they might have.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I guess it depends on what you mean by "realistic". In the current environment, where even (otherwise unhooked) kids with 1600s have maybe a 1 in 5 chance of getting into a top tier school, I don't know what realistic means anymore. Nor would I want my kid to sell himself short on a lesser ED school when he had a decent chance of getting into someplace better.

    To me, your ED school should be, first and foremost the place you really want to attend because if you are get in you are going, like it or not. If there is some other place that you really like better and you have a "realistic" shot of getting in then you will regret for the rest of your life that you picked your 2nd choice as your ED school. But if it's your #1 choice anyway (and it's within the range of realistic), then it's a no brainer.
  270. J says: • Website

    To that Manhattan Jewish girl: You lost nothing when that minority took your place in the college. They lost you. The college you wanted to go is full of Mr Greens and Ebonics speaking “students”. You would not be comfortable among them and you have nothing to learn from them. You will do well anywhere.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    To that Manhattan Jewish girl: You lost nothing when that minority took your place in the college.
     
    Oh, it was "her" place, eh?

    You and she should go hang out together at Zabar's and have a Jewish entitlement whinefest together.
    , @Jack D
    J, it may not be clear from where you are, but Mr. Greens and "students" are EVERYWHERE in the US (especially everywhere that a smart Jewish girl would want to attend) so being Affirmative Aktioned out of her preferred colleges will not save her from the joys of diversity elsewhere. In fact, because of AA, the black students are inferior (or I should say disadvantaged) in academic (not to mention hair) quality to the white and Asian students in EVERY university but as you descend down the scale (as this girl has been pushed down it) the "mismatch" gets worse. At a place like Harvard the blacks are academically inferior but only slightly - they sweep up the cream of the crop, such as it is. By the time you get to a 3rd tier college where the white students are only marginally qualified, the black students are COMPLETELY unqualified to the point where they shouldn't even be sitting in a college classroom at all.
  271. @Jack D

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly
     
    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians
     
    The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.

    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    One direct cause is Muslim anti-Christian violence. This has been true in Iraq and Lebanon as well. But the underlying cause is that the destabilization of the region, driven by Israel’s ability to compel its US golem to invade and regime-change any regional state unwilling to truckle to the Judeosupremacist state, has led Muslims to see Christians as a fifth column for the West in a way they had not, for the most part, previously. The role of Israel-generated warfare and instability is the underlying factor here. The “liberation” of Iraq was a wholesale disaster for Iraqi Christians, and the “liberation” of Syria would have been the same had that adventure succeeded.

    The other main cause of Christian flight is sustained Israeli full-spectrum war against the Palestinians–Christian and Muslim. Embargoes, withholding of tax revenues, Jews-only infrastructure in the West Bank, and many other economic warfare tools are being used by the Israeli state to drive down Palestinian birth rates and drive young adults out of Palestine looking for work and never to return.

    This is all to facilitate the eventual annexation of the remaining lands under Palestinian control.

    Israel is absolutely at the core of Christian flight from the region–including Palestine.

  272. @Jack D

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly
     
    Palestinian Christians have been leaving Palestine but because of their fellow Muslims, not because of anything the Jews did to them.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians
     
    The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.

    Nico: I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians

    Jack D: The reason the Sephardic (Spanish) Jews lived in the Ottoman Empire and not in Spain was because Spain expelled them and the Ottoman sultan sent them an invitation. So you have it backward.

    No, he really doesn’t have it backwards. It’s true, of course, that Spain expelled its Jews. But the reason there was a very large Jewish population in Spain was that Jews flocked to it in huge numbers–especially from the Jewish population in Babylonia–after the Muslim conquest in the 8th century, multiplying the number of Jews previously in Iberia. The Jews did quite well for themselves under the occupation regime for centuries. But when Christendom finally got its act together and expelled the Muslim invaders, well–you know what they say about payback.

    Jews have an unhealthy tendency to follow invaders into other peoples’ countries and then wail when they become negatively associated with the invaders in the mind of the locals. This was also true of Jews in Egypt who followed the Persian and Greek conquests, in the Ukraine when the Polish invaders brought Jewish estate managers with them and of course in Palestine where Jews were foisted on the unwilling populace by British imperial forces. It was also true more generally in the Muslim sectors of the British and French empires where local Jews usually supported the imperial occupiers rather than the emerging nationalist forces.

    Bad habits come back to haunt you.

  273. @Jack D

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim
     
    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in - Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY - Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don't have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    IIRC, the Mayor most congenial to the city’s black politicians was … John Lindsay. Ed Koch had famously contentious relations with various and sundry purveyors of identity politics. And, of course, Bloomberg was an advocate and practitioner of amply supplied police services working pro-actively (much to the irritation of our odious public interest bar and our odious sociology faculties).

    These boards are chock a block with people who fancy the body and blood of Joseph Rauh is wholly present in every particle of institutional life everywhere, so Jews are responsible even if there’s not a single Jew in the HR department, the dean of students’ office, or the provost’s office (a situation that’s commonly the case).

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    IIRC, the Mayor most congenial to the city’s black politicians was … John Lindsay.
     
    Uh, no--you don't recall correctly. David Dinkins would be the holder of that title.
  274. @Jack D

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim
     
    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in - Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY - Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don't have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    From Alden

    That’s the image NYC projects to the rest of the country. It’s not just the feminazis it’s the Jewish names on the NYTimes, and the Jewish attorneys always always aiding with blacks. Remember William Kunstler? He’s dead. But he’s the enduring image of aNYC anti White Jewish lawyer. There are plenty of replacements scrabbling for federal funding for their SJW non profit law firms.

    Then there’s the endless articles by NYC Jewish feminazis hating us deplorable goyim.

    All my life I’ve seen the Jewish black coalition.
    You claim to be a lawyer. Check the attorneys list the clerks make up when a law suit is first filed.

    Look on the anti White side of every school bussing, affirmative action, pro criminal, anti police anti Christmas etc lawsuit. Predominance of blatant, Jewish obvious names. Like a bar mitzvah invitation list.

    BTW if you’re not aware of the clerk’s attorney list, why they make it, and what they use it for, you’re not a lawyer, something I’ve suspected for a while.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You're half right - I'm a transactional lawyer, not a litigator. I have literally never stood before a judge. In the UK I would be a solicitor and not a barrister.
  275. @Jack D

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim
     
    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in - Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY - Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don't have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don’t have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included AM Rosenthal, William Shawn, Martin Peretz, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Michael Kinsley, Nat Hentoff, Alan Dershowitz, Elie Wiesel, Hendrick Hertzberg, Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Irving Howe, Seymour Martin Lipset, Joseph Epstein, Leon Wieseltier, Noam Chomsky, Anthony Lewis, Michael Walzer, Robert Silvers, Jason Epstein, David Horowitz… Most of these people (1) didn’t make a public point of their Jewishness or (2) wrote little or nothing about race matters (at least as related to black Americans), or (3) held views on race matters that standard-issue liberal journalists would find uncongenial.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    "For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included...David Horowitz...."
     
    Wow--talk about an embarrassing admission. You forgot Meir Kahane.

    Most of these people (1) didn’t make a public point of their Jewishness
     
    Good thing you included the weasel words "most of."

    Marty Peretz and Alan Dershowitz practically define Jewish tribal self-obsession.
  276. @J
    To that Manhattan Jewish girl: You lost nothing when that minority took your place in the college. They lost you. The college you wanted to go is full of Mr Greens and Ebonics speaking "students". You would not be comfortable among them and you have nothing to learn from them. You will do well anywhere.

    To that Manhattan Jewish girl: You lost nothing when that minority took your place in the college.

    Oh, it was “her” place, eh?

    You and she should go hang out together at Zabar’s and have a Jewish entitlement whinefest together.

  277. @Art Deco
    IIRC, the Mayor most congenial to the city's black politicians was ... John Lindsay. Ed Koch had famously contentious relations with various and sundry purveyors of identity politics. And, of course, Bloomberg was an advocate and practitioner of amply supplied police services working pro-actively (much to the irritation of our odious public interest bar and our odious sociology faculties).

    These boards are chock a block with people who fancy the body and blood of Joseph Rauh is wholly present in every particle of institutional life everywhere, so Jews are responsible even if there's not a single Jew in the HR department, the dean of students' office, or the provost's office (a situation that's commonly the case).

    IIRC, the Mayor most congenial to the city’s black politicians was … John Lindsay.

    Uh, no–you don’t recall correctly. David Dinkins would be the holder of that title.

  278. @Art Deco
    Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don’t have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included AM Rosenthal, William Shawn, Martin Peretz, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, Michael Kinsley, Nat Hentoff, Alan Dershowitz, Elie Wiesel, Hendrick Hertzberg, Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Irving Howe, Seymour Martin Lipset, Joseph Epstein, Leon Wieseltier, Noam Chomsky, Anthony Lewis, Michael Walzer, Robert Silvers, Jason Epstein, David Horowitz... Most of these people (1) didn't make a public point of their Jewishness or (2) wrote little or nothing about race matters (at least as related to black Americans), or (3) held views on race matters that standard-issue liberal journalists would find uncongenial.

    “For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included…David Horowitz….”

    Wow–talk about an embarrassing admission. You forgot Meir Kahane.

    Most of these people (1) didn’t make a public point of their Jewishness

    Good thing you included the weasel words “most of.”

    Marty Peretz and Alan Dershowitz practically define Jewish tribal self-obsession.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    When you've learned the meaning of the conjunction 'or', you get back to me.
  279. @imbroglio
    The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. Okay, you take the good with the bad and don't complain. A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves.

    Perhaps it is a sign of stupidity to quote oneself (in my case, it could be a dialectical synthesis of stupidity & laziness). Just, things are more complicated, as I’ve said in another comments section…

    Are Jews white?

    What does it mean?

    “White” does not mean much in Europe, I think it’s evident; it is implied that Hungarians or Italians are white. Whether there are black English, it’s up to real English to decide, but for normal European peoples- white phenotype is taken for granted. There is nothing to discuss there. In the US & similar countries, white would mean white phenotype plus Euro-American cultural/historical values, i.e. specific loyalty to the Western world & its cultural-historical continuity. US Jews, most of them, are phenotypically white, not much different from Italians or Greeks. But, what about their loyalties?

    I would say there is no uniform way they would react, but somewhere deep down they fear white “racial” identity, not just because of WW2 experience, but even more because “white” implies a combination of Greece, Rome & Christianity – their old enemies (Rome crushed their revolts in 1st & 2nd C AD; Christian crusaders turned on them along the way).

    Christian iconography remains both seductive & alien to them, from Tolkien to Game of Thrones (which, by the way, I find boring, both of them. But boring is not alien.)

    So, when US Jews hear about whites, or about necessity to preserve normal white identity & not let be swamped by blacks & browns, they instinctively fear for their lives & security. They are hypnotized by their past. For instance, they cannot absorb their cousins’ experiences from South Africa & Brazil, where more black power (or any colored power) has proven to mean inevitable demise of the Jews.

    But what about insistence on historical American nation?

    Although some of their intellectuals feel sympathy & admiration for it, mostly in areas of high culture, I would say that most US Jews feel that “Americanism” is a secular multiculturalism in English, not a continuation & diversification of basically Euro-British historical culture. By the way, most old-stock cultured Americans did not care for Jews, or even resented them.

    In the radical form, Jewish (although some coming from Israel) alienation from white historical identity can be seen here:

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/07/25/the-white-issue-jews-are-not-white/

    The White Issue: Jews Are Not White

    https://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/295918/were-jews-were-not-white-we-define-ourselves/

    We’re Jews, We’re Not White, We Define Ourselves

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-are-not-white-response-to-haaretz-article/

    Ashkenazi Jews are not white – Response to Haaretz article

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

    Yes, Ashkenazi Jews (Including Gal Gadot) Are People of Color

    Things are clear (at least to me): the doors should be open to Jews who see the threat of racial swamping of Euro-Americans & other whites anywhere, but one should not harbor delusions about numbers or influence of these Jews (or Jewish Americans).

    Because, ultimately, Western identity is not just a phenotype. It is the state of mind.

    What I’m more concerned about is not Jews, but self-hating Euro-Americans & Anglospheroids & Teutonics, and this is the real question….

  280. @lhtness
    My reading of Harry Potter is that the most evil groups are ones that practice strict endogamy. Of course, you're never supposed to think too much about which groups have historically been the most strict about it...

    That’s interesting.

    So I suppose characters, cliques, houses, and families can be mapped to religions and/or ideologies.

    Perhaps the Death Eaters are the Maccabees.

  281. @Jane Plain
    Nope, it's a report of Eliza Shapiro's tweets. (I don't believe her.)

    And thanks - I thought you were one of the few sane people around here. You've proven otherwise.

    You've given me a good excuse to go back to work and stop wasting my time on maniacs, kvetchers and losers.

    Please come back. We need more people with a decent BS detector around here.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    Thanks, but it's depressing to get shot at from both sides.

    What I should have said to "Art Deco" was, "Oh really? How?"

    I think Art Deco is angry at me because I'm the only person here who got the better of him, when I pointed out that you don't need a rope to call it a lynching. He never had an answer to that. So he got mad.
  282. @William Badwhite
    I should have prefaced with "we just finished dealing with it" rather than "we are". In via ED. I think it helped that we marked "African American" for race (just kidding). It did help to be realistic in terms of choices. So now its mostly watch other parents wrap themselves into knots...

    ED is the easiest way to signal "if you let me in, I'm enrolling" so assuages the "yield" concern they might have.

    I guess it depends on what you mean by “realistic”. In the current environment, where even (otherwise unhooked) kids with 1600s have maybe a 1 in 5 chance of getting into a top tier school, I don’t know what realistic means anymore. Nor would I want my kid to sell himself short on a lesser ED school when he had a decent chance of getting into someplace better.

    To me, your ED school should be, first and foremost the place you really want to attend because if you are get in you are going, like it or not. If there is some other place that you really like better and you have a “realistic” shot of getting in then you will regret for the rest of your life that you picked your 2nd choice as your ED school. But if it’s your #1 choice anyway (and it’s within the range of realistic), then it’s a no brainer.

  283. 7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence. /j

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    "7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence." /j
     
    I think you're wrong.
    , @anon
    7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence. /j

    I don't think so.
  284. @J
    To that Manhattan Jewish girl: You lost nothing when that minority took your place in the college. They lost you. The college you wanted to go is full of Mr Greens and Ebonics speaking "students". You would not be comfortable among them and you have nothing to learn from them. You will do well anywhere.

    J, it may not be clear from where you are, but Mr. Greens and “students” are EVERYWHERE in the US (especially everywhere that a smart Jewish girl would want to attend) so being Affirmative Aktioned out of her preferred colleges will not save her from the joys of diversity elsewhere. In fact, because of AA, the black students are inferior (or I should say disadvantaged) in academic (not to mention hair) quality to the white and Asian students in EVERY university but as you descend down the scale (as this girl has been pushed down it) the “mismatch” gets worse. At a place like Harvard the blacks are academically inferior but only slightly – they sweep up the cream of the crop, such as it is. By the time you get to a 3rd tier college where the white students are only marginally qualified, the black students are COMPLETELY unqualified to the point where they shouldn’t even be sitting in a college classroom at all.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    AA for blacks will only be the decisive factor if she's near the cut. One institution I once knew well had a student body which was 4.5% black. In the pre-AA era around 1960, the black share of the student body was just north of 1%. If she applies to six schools and she loses out due to AA over and over, she's likely applying to schools one ratchet above where she should be on measures of selectivity.

    The problem with AA is not the injury to those not in the patronage pool, it's to the patronage recipients themselves and the knock-on effects that derive from it. Those on patronage suffer academic problems and they are visible to themselves and others. There are various ways they can process that, and recriminatory militancy is one. The reaction of administrators and some faculty will commonly exacerbate problems.

    Years ago, a professor at a private college in the midwest tells Richard John Neuhaus that, no, the AA programs weren't doing their recipients much good; kids were struggling and miserable. They weren't doing the white students much good. They had more social contact with blacks, but the blacks they had contact with were 'messed up in various ways'. "We're doing it for us", i.e. the faculty. Which is the way it works in higher education.

  285. @Not Raul
    Please come back. We need more people with a decent BS detector around here.

    Thanks, but it’s depressing to get shot at from both sides.

    What I should have said to “Art Deco” was, “Oh really? How?”

    I think Art Deco is angry at me because I’m the only person here who got the better of him, when I pointed out that you don’t need a rope to call it a lynching. He never had an answer to that. So he got mad.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    When you've learned the meaning of the terms 'anger' and 'got the better of', you can get back to me too.
    , @J.Ross
    >Art Deco missed the dictionary definition of a term
    LURK MORE.
    , @Not Raul
    So stick around. With some people, you can never change their minds; but you probably knew that already.
  286. @Yngvar
    7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence. /j

    “7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence.” /j

    I think you’re wrong.

  287. @Oscar Peterson

    "For decades, the most prominent Jewish (public) intellectuals in the country included...David Horowitz...."
     
    Wow--talk about an embarrassing admission. You forgot Meir Kahane.

    Most of these people (1) didn’t make a public point of their Jewishness
     
    Good thing you included the weasel words "most of."

    Marty Peretz and Alan Dershowitz practically define Jewish tribal self-obsession.

    When you’ve learned the meaning of the conjunction ‘or’, you get back to me.

  288. @Jack D
    J, it may not be clear from where you are, but Mr. Greens and "students" are EVERYWHERE in the US (especially everywhere that a smart Jewish girl would want to attend) so being Affirmative Aktioned out of her preferred colleges will not save her from the joys of diversity elsewhere. In fact, because of AA, the black students are inferior (or I should say disadvantaged) in academic (not to mention hair) quality to the white and Asian students in EVERY university but as you descend down the scale (as this girl has been pushed down it) the "mismatch" gets worse. At a place like Harvard the blacks are academically inferior but only slightly - they sweep up the cream of the crop, such as it is. By the time you get to a 3rd tier college where the white students are only marginally qualified, the black students are COMPLETELY unqualified to the point where they shouldn't even be sitting in a college classroom at all.

    AA for blacks will only be the decisive factor if she’s near the cut. One institution I once knew well had a student body which was 4.5% black. In the pre-AA era around 1960, the black share of the student body was just north of 1%. If she applies to six schools and she loses out due to AA over and over, she’s likely applying to schools one ratchet above where she should be on measures of selectivity.

    The problem with AA is not the injury to those not in the patronage pool, it’s to the patronage recipients themselves and the knock-on effects that derive from it. Those on patronage suffer academic problems and they are visible to themselves and others. There are various ways they can process that, and recriminatory militancy is one. The reaction of administrators and some faculty will commonly exacerbate problems.

    Years ago, a professor at a private college in the midwest tells Richard John Neuhaus that, no, the AA programs weren’t doing their recipients much good; kids were struggling and miserable. They weren’t doing the white students much good. They had more social contact with blacks, but the blacks they had contact with were ‘messed up in various ways’. “We’re doing it for us”, i.e. the faculty. Which is the way it works in higher education.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Harvard is now 15% black and without AA it would be maybe 3%. Any school that is only 4.5% black in the current year, unless it is in some painfully white and unimportant place far outside the Eye of Soros, is going to come under suspicion of being "racist".

    The girl in question was apparently looking at "scatter diagrams" with her counselors. If you have seen these, they plot SAT on one axis and GPA on the other and each admitted student from your school is a dot. This way you can assess your chances - if you are in a spot where no one ever gets in, you're aiming too high. Apparently the girl noticed some dot that were way below the other dots and her counselor explained that these were for AA admits and not for people like her. Some dots are more equal than others.

  289. @Jane Plain
    Thanks, but it's depressing to get shot at from both sides.

    What I should have said to "Art Deco" was, "Oh really? How?"

    I think Art Deco is angry at me because I'm the only person here who got the better of him, when I pointed out that you don't need a rope to call it a lynching. He never had an answer to that. So he got mad.

    When you’ve learned the meaning of the terms ‘anger’ and ‘got the better of’, you can get back to me too.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    OK.

    When you've learned the meaning of the words "advance" and "thesis" you can get back to me.

    Also "brothel," "professional," "personal," "ethical" and last but not least, "prudent."
  290. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    The youngest of my 4 kids is going through college applications now. To say it is stressful would be an understatement.

    You are right about how much worse it is now. Many of the “fallback “ schools are now first tier schools. And the scone tier schools these days have acceptance rates in the 10-20% range. Not even HYPS had acceptance rates that low back in the day. My third kid is at a second tier college, with an acceptance rate of about 15% and falling fast, and felt extremely lucky to get in.

    Also and

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing — namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person’s early 20’s and getting one’s life on track. That’s it. The idea of “dream schools” or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20’s. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a “Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I once knew a young lady who barely qualified for the University of California schools. Not super smart, but well organized, enthusiastic, and pretty. She got into UC Santa Cruz. There she stayed away from the druggies and became friends with the nerds who wanted to work in Silicon Valley. Last I heard she was well on track for a job like event planning in Silicon Valley. Nerds need women who can take care of the details for all their conferences and product announcements. And that's a good track for finding a good husband.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    There is no one best college. Every college is the best college for somebody.

    My oldest wanted to major in engineering. He also became obsessed with an uncommon sport, but wasn't good enough for a good D I athletic program. His grades in HS weren't very good, but his test scores were great. Also, he wanted to stay close to home. Oh, and there was a Midwest city he loved...

    Turns out there was a college in that city, D III, but one of the few D III schools with a team in his sport. Also an excellent engineering program. His grades were rather bad, but he got to Nationals twice! Anyway, he was able to get a job, and he is supporting himself, paying off his car loans, and paying off his student loans, and also saving up a little bit of money. One of the big factors for that college was its 97%+ job placement rate.

    My second kid wanted to study science, possibly pre-med. Only wanted to go to the state school in our home town. Nowhere else. Applied to only two colleges, got into both, close to graduating with about a 3.8 or 3.9 average. Already has a job lined up for after graduation, doing research. Maybe apply for med school a little later.

    My third kid didn't really know what to study, except good at math. Originally wanted to study statistics; then changed to business. Third kid found a good second-tier college in the northeast with a fantastic co-op program, and will graduate from college with either 12 or 18 months experience. That college has about a 99% job placement rate for the business students. Most get a job from one of the places they do a co-op.

    My youngest wants to get the heck out of this part of the country, wants to study science, possible pre-med. No idea where she will go to college.

    All I know is my first 3 kids all found the best college for THEM, and the best program for THEM. It was 3 different colleges, but they are all different people. YMMV
    , @Art Deco
    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person’s early 20’s and getting one’s life on track. That’s it. The idea of “dream schools” or whatever is largely overblown.

    +10


    Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.



    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    About 85% of those receiving engineering degrees in this country are male. If I'm not mistaken, the proportion of working engineers who are male is higher than that, as engineering just doesn't fit into women's lives and they leave the profession. IIRC, about 13,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering are awarded to women each year, of the 2,000,000 women in each cohort entering the f/t, year-round labor force. You have the same number of men entering the work force, but only about 18,000 will have math degrees. The spectrum of degrees under the heading 'computer and information science' encompasses more people (I think around 50,000 young men each year), but still a small share of new entrants.

    Lots of people in computer-related occupations (4.2 million), but even more in one of the four strata of nursing (5.2 million). Don't think nursing's going away, even if it's not 'the future'. Lots of accountants in this country (1.2 million), pharmacists (300,000), natural scientists working outside academe (900,000), electricians (655,000) &c &c
    , @William Badwhite
    Sorry just seeing this. I agree with the other responders.

    I'd add: If you think your kids are going to want to go to graduate school, the undergrad school is less important than how they do while there. I went to a top 5 (at the time...) MBA program and in addition to the usual Ivy types there plenty of State U, military academy, and then the whole continent of int'l students. Going to Stanford and getting C's (bad example as I understand grade inflation there is rampant and you can't get C's at Stanford) will not get you into Harvard Business School. Going to Univ of Oklahoma, getting a 3.9 in a hard major (and also getting great GMAT's) will get you into HBS.

    I can't speak to law school or med school.

    I also can't speak to the Ivies b/c I didn't attend one, though know plenty of people who did and in terms of income they're distributed about how you'd imagine based on personality. A couple CEO's that are very outgoing command-a-room types. Private equity and venture capital types that I know that are successful also have good personalities and a natural ability to have people like them. The heads-down striver dork types mostly have topped out b/c there are very few areas of business where you can get away with having no personality or lack confidence.

    I don't think you're missing anything. There are plenty of good schools outside of the top 10 and in terms of income (and eventually wealth) distribution, a whole ton of overlap from tier to tier. One of the wealthiest guys I know didn't actually even finish college (and the one he went to was no great shakes either - your basic 3rd tier state U). I'd guess his net worth conservatively at $50mm. All self-made.

    Our elites are doing everything they can to change it, but as of now there is still plenty of opportunity here for smart, hard-working people.
    , @Anon
    Doubt this approach can be generalized to anywhere beyond Silicon Valley. Technical SV roles have two large IQ hurdles, an engineering degree (made intentionally difficult by ABET accreditation) and day-long technical interviews, which blatantly resemble an IQ test. This creates "pipeline problems", or in legalese, disparate impact. Rough breakdown of emphasis is: 70% brains, 10% school, and 20% behavioral. Hence, you get many quirky, intelligent, type-A assholes.

    The rest of the country does not resemble this at all. The focus will be 60% school, 20% behavioral and 20% brains. The brains portion will be less about abstract reasoning, and more geared towards case studies, which can be learned.

    Your kid from a no-name school with a 3.8 in computer science will probably get picked up by a big tech company or hot startup in SV or Seattle. But in NYC, Chicago and the like, no elite employer would give them a second look. If they did, he would be coding spreadsheets in an expendable, back-office department. Complete misallocation of talent, but it is what it is.
  291. @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    I once knew a young lady who barely qualified for the University of California schools. Not super smart, but well organized, enthusiastic, and pretty. She got into UC Santa Cruz. There she stayed away from the druggies and became friends with the nerds who wanted to work in Silicon Valley. Last I heard she was well on track for a job like event planning in Silicon Valley. Nerds need women who can take care of the details for all their conferences and product announcements. And that’s a good track for finding a good husband.

  292. @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    There is no one best college. Every college is the best college for somebody.

    My oldest wanted to major in engineering. He also became obsessed with an uncommon sport, but wasn’t good enough for a good D I athletic program. His grades in HS weren’t very good, but his test scores were great. Also, he wanted to stay close to home. Oh, and there was a Midwest city he loved…

    Turns out there was a college in that city, D III, but one of the few D III schools with a team in his sport. Also an excellent engineering program. His grades were rather bad, but he got to Nationals twice! Anyway, he was able to get a job, and he is supporting himself, paying off his car loans, and paying off his student loans, and also saving up a little bit of money. One of the big factors for that college was its 97%+ job placement rate.

    My second kid wanted to study science, possibly pre-med. Only wanted to go to the state school in our home town. Nowhere else. Applied to only two colleges, got into both, close to graduating with about a 3.8 or 3.9 average. Already has a job lined up for after graduation, doing research. Maybe apply for med school a little later.

    My third kid didn’t really know what to study, except good at math. Originally wanted to study statistics; then changed to business. Third kid found a good second-tier college in the northeast with a fantastic co-op program, and will graduate from college with either 12 or 18 months experience. That college has about a 99% job placement rate for the business students. Most get a job from one of the places they do a co-op.

    My youngest wants to get the heck out of this part of the country, wants to study science, possible pre-med. No idea where she will go to college.

    All I know is my first 3 kids all found the best college for THEM, and the best program for THEM. It was 3 different colleges, but they are all different people. YMMV

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I should add —

    The big name colleges often give better financial aid packages than the lesser colleges, or state schools.

    One of my kids got a scholarship to State U. My other two kids went to private colleges. One of them we wound up paying about a couple of thousand extra, but he could graduate in 4 years instead of 5, so cheaper in the long run.

    Also, the school spent many thousands on his sports team. Another is at a second tier school and is paying thousands less than State U.

    , @Jack D
    I agree with this, but only up to a point. There really are colleges that offer better and worse lifetime return on investment - there are lists published. At the very top are some oddball choices like pharmacy school and merchant marine which are clearly not for everyone. But just below those, the order is pretty much the way you would expect it - if you want to be an engineer you are going to make more money on average (and meet smarter, more interesting people, both on the faculty and your fellow students) and in general have better job prospects and a nice career if you go to MIT than if you go to Urbana-Champaign.

    But you have to be the right match for the school, even if you can get in. The pressures at a place like MIT are brutal and not everyone can hack them. It's like you've been on your HS baseball team and suddenly you are in the MLB and the pitchers are throwing 100mph fast balls at you. If you can hit them, it's the greatest feeling in the world but if you can't you're gonna wish you were dead. If you take on more than you have the mental strength to endure, you are going to choke and end up with no degree and maybe even worse. But, in general, I would encourage your kids to go to the best ranked school that they can get into and have a realistic chance of getting thru. Hopefully you know your kid and your kid knows himself and you shouldn't overreach if you by chance get in somewhere over your head (which is pretty unlikely nowadays - most people have the opposite problem). In terms of financial aid, the top schools have lots of money to throw around so don't assume that it will cost more than sending them to state u. State U is actually the best deal for rich people who don't qualify for aid.

    , @nebulafox
    In grad school in the hard sciences, it works a little differently from undergrad, as you might already know from your own science days. High ranking schools are usually high ranking because they have tons of faculty and funding in the given research field, meaning a lot more papers. Lesser ranked schools typically do one or two things really well, and higher ranked schools have more breadth.

    Once you look at it that way and look at the history and geography, things start making a lot more sense. You wouldn't expect UC Boulder to outrank Stanford, but since the BE condensate was discovered in Boulder in the 1990s, UC Boulder is the #1 school for AMO physics. For condensed matter, MIT and UIUC are understood to be more or less equivalent as the top school. Again: the history checks out. Not a coincidence that both do really well in EE, too.

    I'm curious as to how this is going to play out in China by 2050, because different provinces are investing in different areas of physics. There's a tokamak center in Anhui, Hangzhou is doing condensed matter, supercomputer technology is cluttering around Guangzhou, yadda yadda.

  293. @Paleo Liberal
    There is no one best college. Every college is the best college for somebody.

    My oldest wanted to major in engineering. He also became obsessed with an uncommon sport, but wasn't good enough for a good D I athletic program. His grades in HS weren't very good, but his test scores were great. Also, he wanted to stay close to home. Oh, and there was a Midwest city he loved...

    Turns out there was a college in that city, D III, but one of the few D III schools with a team in his sport. Also an excellent engineering program. His grades were rather bad, but he got to Nationals twice! Anyway, he was able to get a job, and he is supporting himself, paying off his car loans, and paying off his student loans, and also saving up a little bit of money. One of the big factors for that college was its 97%+ job placement rate.

    My second kid wanted to study science, possibly pre-med. Only wanted to go to the state school in our home town. Nowhere else. Applied to only two colleges, got into both, close to graduating with about a 3.8 or 3.9 average. Already has a job lined up for after graduation, doing research. Maybe apply for med school a little later.

    My third kid didn't really know what to study, except good at math. Originally wanted to study statistics; then changed to business. Third kid found a good second-tier college in the northeast with a fantastic co-op program, and will graduate from college with either 12 or 18 months experience. That college has about a 99% job placement rate for the business students. Most get a job from one of the places they do a co-op.

    My youngest wants to get the heck out of this part of the country, wants to study science, possible pre-med. No idea where she will go to college.

    All I know is my first 3 kids all found the best college for THEM, and the best program for THEM. It was 3 different colleges, but they are all different people. YMMV

    I should add —

    The big name colleges often give better financial aid packages than the lesser colleges, or state schools.

    One of my kids got a scholarship to State U. My other two kids went to private colleges. One of them we wound up paying about a couple of thousand extra, but he could graduate in 4 years instead of 5, so cheaper in the long run.

    Also, the school spent many thousands on his sports team. Another is at a second tier school and is paying thousands less than State U.

  294. @Alden
    From Alden

    That’s the image NYC projects to the rest of the country. It’s not just the feminazis it’s the Jewish names on the NYTimes, and the Jewish attorneys always always aiding with blacks. Remember William Kunstler? He’s dead. But he’s the enduring image of aNYC anti White Jewish lawyer. There are plenty of replacements scrabbling for federal funding for their SJW non profit law firms.

    Then there’s the endless articles by NYC Jewish feminazis hating us deplorable goyim.

    All my life I’ve seen the Jewish black coalition.
    You claim to be a lawyer. Check the attorneys list the clerks make up when a law suit is first filed.

    Look on the anti White side of every school bussing, affirmative action, pro criminal, anti police anti Christmas etc lawsuit. Predominance of blatant, Jewish obvious names. Like a bar mitzvah invitation list.

    BTW if you’re not aware of the clerk’s attorney list, why they make it, and what they use it for, you’re not a lawyer, something I’ve suspected for a while.

    You’re half right – I’m a transactional lawyer, not a litigator. I have literally never stood before a judge. In the UK I would be a solicitor and not a barrister.

  295. @AnotherDad

    Let Jews stew in the pots they boiled for you. Defending them will only backfire. You think it will bring a growing number of them to their senses, but it will not.
     
    Jews as a middle man minority have radically different interests than the nation's people, specifically the more balkanized the nation, the more penetrable, the easier it is to accumulate power and the less fear of an organized majority.

    But to a casual observer it does seem weird that Jews will not take their foot off the gas pedal. Say "Hey, we've hit the sweet spot, we are rich, powerful, in control and can not be criticized. Let's stop right here!"

    As i've pointed out before, no nation has ever treated a large middle man minority as fairly and generously as Anglo-Protestant America. And yet, we have Jewish commenters right here on Unz--people who otherwise appear to be intelligent--prattling on about Jewish "persecution" Meaning that some WASPs or Catholics somewhere, sometime did a little--feeble--ethnic solidarity stuff ... stuff Jews, of course, do all the time. (The Jews still have their Jewish country clubs, btw.)

    I think the reason is this stuff is not top level conscious logic but deeply woven into Jewish character and culture. For 1000+ years, Jews--Ashkenazi--lived amongst de-tribalizing European Christians, but continually rejected integration with them and in fact super-charged their religion and culture with anti-integration, anti-Christian, anti-majority practices and ideology. You get selection: the less hostile, more integrative types ... integrated and are my ancestors. The ones still Jewish after 1000+ are selected for tribalism and outgroup hostility.

    You do get some sane outliers--Stephen Miller, Mickey Kaus, Amy Wax types--who whatever their attachment to Judaism are capable of being rational about the "facts on the ground" right now. But these folks are not the norm.

    ~~

    It's interesting to speculate about what's going on in the better, alternative "no-Hitler" universe? Do Jews behave any better?

    I think they likely do. But i'd bet if we could peek in over there, the same minoritarion: "nation of immigrants", "Britain has always been diverse", "Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural", "That club was 'restricted'!", "diversity is our strength!" bullshit would still be spilling out of their mouths. Minoritarianism, majority hostility, is just in the blood. However, they wouldn't have the Holocaust club, or be able to call anyone who wants to keep their nation a "Nazi!".

    Every nation that has ever hosted a Jewish minority has considered itself tolerant of Jews. Every nation where Jews have lived as a minority has been considered antisemitic by them. This will never change.

  296. @Jack D

    Jewish black coalition against the White goyim
     
    Right, like the chief Jew at the head of it all, De Blasio. Unlike the previous goyish mayor Bloomberg who was anti-crime. Not so simple, eh?

    How is the Jewish black coalition working out for that Jewish girl who complained about Affirmative Action? Seems like the coalition is a little frayed.

    It was really a matter of bad luck (maybe with a little goyische kop thrown in - Jews know where they can get dope wholesale, for a good price?) that Tessa was a pure blond shiksa maiden since Barnard is around 1/3 Jewish. If Tessa was Jewish would that change your answer?

    The truth is that there is no Jewish-black coalition in NY - Jewish intellectuals like blacks the best in the abstract, in places where they don't have to live elbow to elbow with them and NY is a crowded place.

    There’s not only no EVERY SINGLE JEW and black coalition, there is also no EVERY SINGLE BLACK and Jew coalition. But there is an undeniable evil synergy between the criminal element of both groups, which is more than enough for a meaningful concept.

  297. @Paleo Liberal
    There is no one best college. Every college is the best college for somebody.

    My oldest wanted to major in engineering. He also became obsessed with an uncommon sport, but wasn't good enough for a good D I athletic program. His grades in HS weren't very good, but his test scores were great. Also, he wanted to stay close to home. Oh, and there was a Midwest city he loved...

    Turns out there was a college in that city, D III, but one of the few D III schools with a team in his sport. Also an excellent engineering program. His grades were rather bad, but he got to Nationals twice! Anyway, he was able to get a job, and he is supporting himself, paying off his car loans, and paying off his student loans, and also saving up a little bit of money. One of the big factors for that college was its 97%+ job placement rate.

    My second kid wanted to study science, possibly pre-med. Only wanted to go to the state school in our home town. Nowhere else. Applied to only two colleges, got into both, close to graduating with about a 3.8 or 3.9 average. Already has a job lined up for after graduation, doing research. Maybe apply for med school a little later.

    My third kid didn't really know what to study, except good at math. Originally wanted to study statistics; then changed to business. Third kid found a good second-tier college in the northeast with a fantastic co-op program, and will graduate from college with either 12 or 18 months experience. That college has about a 99% job placement rate for the business students. Most get a job from one of the places they do a co-op.

    My youngest wants to get the heck out of this part of the country, wants to study science, possible pre-med. No idea where she will go to college.

    All I know is my first 3 kids all found the best college for THEM, and the best program for THEM. It was 3 different colleges, but they are all different people. YMMV

    I agree with this, but only up to a point. There really are colleges that offer better and worse lifetime return on investment – there are lists published. At the very top are some oddball choices like pharmacy school and merchant marine which are clearly not for everyone. But just below those, the order is pretty much the way you would expect it – if you want to be an engineer you are going to make more money on average (and meet smarter, more interesting people, both on the faculty and your fellow students) and in general have better job prospects and a nice career if you go to MIT than if you go to Urbana-Champaign.

    But you have to be the right match for the school, even if you can get in. The pressures at a place like MIT are brutal and not everyone can hack them. It’s like you’ve been on your HS baseball team and suddenly you are in the MLB and the pitchers are throwing 100mph fast balls at you. If you can hit them, it’s the greatest feeling in the world but if you can’t you’re gonna wish you were dead. If you take on more than you have the mental strength to endure, you are going to choke and end up with no degree and maybe even worse. But, in general, I would encourage your kids to go to the best ranked school that they can get into and have a realistic chance of getting thru. Hopefully you know your kid and your kid knows himself and you shouldn’t overreach if you by chance get in somewhere over your head (which is pretty unlikely nowadays – most people have the opposite problem). In terms of financial aid, the top schools have lots of money to throw around so don’t assume that it will cost more than sending them to state u. State U is actually the best deal for rich people who don’t qualify for aid.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    State U is actually the best deal for rich people who don’t qualify for aid.
     
    Even cheaper is to live at home for two years while you go to the local community college, then transfer to State U. Your diploma will be from State U.

    The top tier schools will make sure you can hack it financially if they let you in. Most of them have billion dollar endowments. If I were in charge, I would require them to spend some percentage of it each year as non-profits must do.
  298. @Jane Plain
    Thanks, but it's depressing to get shot at from both sides.

    What I should have said to "Art Deco" was, "Oh really? How?"

    I think Art Deco is angry at me because I'm the only person here who got the better of him, when I pointed out that you don't need a rope to call it a lynching. He never had an answer to that. So he got mad.

    >Art Deco missed the dictionary definition of a term
    LURK MORE.

  299. @Jack D
    I agree with this, but only up to a point. There really are colleges that offer better and worse lifetime return on investment - there are lists published. At the very top are some oddball choices like pharmacy school and merchant marine which are clearly not for everyone. But just below those, the order is pretty much the way you would expect it - if you want to be an engineer you are going to make more money on average (and meet smarter, more interesting people, both on the faculty and your fellow students) and in general have better job prospects and a nice career if you go to MIT than if you go to Urbana-Champaign.

    But you have to be the right match for the school, even if you can get in. The pressures at a place like MIT are brutal and not everyone can hack them. It's like you've been on your HS baseball team and suddenly you are in the MLB and the pitchers are throwing 100mph fast balls at you. If you can hit them, it's the greatest feeling in the world but if you can't you're gonna wish you were dead. If you take on more than you have the mental strength to endure, you are going to choke and end up with no degree and maybe even worse. But, in general, I would encourage your kids to go to the best ranked school that they can get into and have a realistic chance of getting thru. Hopefully you know your kid and your kid knows himself and you shouldn't overreach if you by chance get in somewhere over your head (which is pretty unlikely nowadays - most people have the opposite problem). In terms of financial aid, the top schools have lots of money to throw around so don't assume that it will cost more than sending them to state u. State U is actually the best deal for rich people who don't qualify for aid.

    State U is actually the best deal for rich people who don’t qualify for aid.

    Even cheaper is to live at home for two years while you go to the local community college, then transfer to State U. Your diploma will be from State U.

    The top tier schools will make sure you can hack it financially if they let you in. Most of them have billion dollar endowments. If I were in charge, I would require them to spend some percentage of it each year as non-profits must do.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  300. @Art Deco
    When you've learned the meaning of the terms 'anger' and 'got the better of', you can get back to me too.

    OK.

    When you’ve learned the meaning of the words “advance” and “thesis” you can get back to me.

    Also “brothel,” “professional,” “personal,” “ethical” and last but not least, “prudent.”

  301. @Art Deco
    AA for blacks will only be the decisive factor if she's near the cut. One institution I once knew well had a student body which was 4.5% black. In the pre-AA era around 1960, the black share of the student body was just north of 1%. If she applies to six schools and she loses out due to AA over and over, she's likely applying to schools one ratchet above where she should be on measures of selectivity.

    The problem with AA is not the injury to those not in the patronage pool, it's to the patronage recipients themselves and the knock-on effects that derive from it. Those on patronage suffer academic problems and they are visible to themselves and others. There are various ways they can process that, and recriminatory militancy is one. The reaction of administrators and some faculty will commonly exacerbate problems.

    Years ago, a professor at a private college in the midwest tells Richard John Neuhaus that, no, the AA programs weren't doing their recipients much good; kids were struggling and miserable. They weren't doing the white students much good. They had more social contact with blacks, but the blacks they had contact with were 'messed up in various ways'. "We're doing it for us", i.e. the faculty. Which is the way it works in higher education.

    Harvard is now 15% black and without AA it would be maybe 3%. Any school that is only 4.5% black in the current year, unless it is in some painfully white and unimportant place far outside the Eye of Soros, is going to come under suspicion of being “racist”.

    The girl in question was apparently looking at “scatter diagrams” with her counselors. If you have seen these, they plot SAT on one axis and GPA on the other and each admitted student from your school is a dot. This way you can assess your chances – if you are in a spot where no one ever gets in, you’re aiming too high. Apparently the girl noticed some dot that were way below the other dots and her counselor explained that these were for AA admits and not for people like her. Some dots are more equal than others.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Harvard is a peculiar place, and it hoovers up no more than 0.062% of each youth cohort. Among other things, about 20% of its student body consists of foreigners recruited from abroad. At a typical 4-year institution, the share is about 3.5%. (btw, those living in this country with the status 'permanent resident' are not tallied under the heading 'international student'). I bet if you unpacked it, you'd discover the domestic descendants-of-slaves population accounts for only a minority of that 15% share.
  302. @imbroglio
    The Jews worked long and hard to be admitted to the white race and now Jews are taking the crap being dished out to whites. Okay, you take the good with the bad and don't complain. A lesson you Jew bashing losers might apply to yourselves.

    That’s just an unintended consequence of their anti-whitism.

    Of course, they still have the extremely powerful “anti-semite” card.

    White gentiles have no card.

  303. @Nicholas Stix
    "There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined."

    Uh, no.

    He's your guy, why ask me? Isn't he the Green Beret Jewologist who wiped out his family?

    I’ve never heard of any Jeffrey MacDonald.

    Anyway, please post more, Nick. Your absurd denials are so cute, and they do half the work for me.

  304. @Paleo Liberal
    There is no one best college. Every college is the best college for somebody.

    My oldest wanted to major in engineering. He also became obsessed with an uncommon sport, but wasn't good enough for a good D I athletic program. His grades in HS weren't very good, but his test scores were great. Also, he wanted to stay close to home. Oh, and there was a Midwest city he loved...

    Turns out there was a college in that city, D III, but one of the few D III schools with a team in his sport. Also an excellent engineering program. His grades were rather bad, but he got to Nationals twice! Anyway, he was able to get a job, and he is supporting himself, paying off his car loans, and paying off his student loans, and also saving up a little bit of money. One of the big factors for that college was its 97%+ job placement rate.

    My second kid wanted to study science, possibly pre-med. Only wanted to go to the state school in our home town. Nowhere else. Applied to only two colleges, got into both, close to graduating with about a 3.8 or 3.9 average. Already has a job lined up for after graduation, doing research. Maybe apply for med school a little later.

    My third kid didn't really know what to study, except good at math. Originally wanted to study statistics; then changed to business. Third kid found a good second-tier college in the northeast with a fantastic co-op program, and will graduate from college with either 12 or 18 months experience. That college has about a 99% job placement rate for the business students. Most get a job from one of the places they do a co-op.

    My youngest wants to get the heck out of this part of the country, wants to study science, possible pre-med. No idea where she will go to college.

    All I know is my first 3 kids all found the best college for THEM, and the best program for THEM. It was 3 different colleges, but they are all different people. YMMV

    In grad school in the hard sciences, it works a little differently from undergrad, as you might already know from your own science days. High ranking schools are usually high ranking because they have tons of faculty and funding in the given research field, meaning a lot more papers. Lesser ranked schools typically do one or two things really well, and higher ranked schools have more breadth.

    Once you look at it that way and look at the history and geography, things start making a lot more sense. You wouldn’t expect UC Boulder to outrank Stanford, but since the BE condensate was discovered in Boulder in the 1990s, UC Boulder is the #1 school for AMO physics. For condensed matter, MIT and UIUC are understood to be more or less equivalent as the top school. Again: the history checks out. Not a coincidence that both do really well in EE, too.

    I’m curious as to how this is going to play out in China by 2050, because different provinces are investing in different areas of physics. There’s a tokamak center in Anhui, Hangzhou is doing condensed matter, supercomputer technology is cluttering around Guangzhou, yadda yadda.

  305. @Hypnotoad666

    if you are academically competitive and black you are GUARANTEED admission . . . .
     
    I wonder how much of the attempted redistribution of prestige signals through AA just gets lost in the wash.

    For example, if I learn that a black person is a Harvard grad, I automatically do the math in my head and start with the Bayesian prior that he is presumably just pretty smart for a black person. But I'm not expecting to be impressed.

    I am a deplorable. But even liberals must be doing a similar calculus in the back of their heads. So how much advantage are blacks really getting from all this AA credential inflation, anyway?

    Right. I think Steve made the point long ago (I would have no idea where to start searching for the reference) that AA for blacks is less about helping blacks and more about excluding competition from scrappy white come-uppers. This goes for uni as well as work. As an aside, it’s amusing to see the managerial class being displaced by diversity hires. Ten years ago, the managers no doubt thought that allowing diversity criteria in HR decisions would never affect their jobs. Oops.

  306. @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person’s early 20’s and getting one’s life on track. That’s it. The idea of “dream schools” or whatever is largely overblown.

    +10

    Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    About 85% of those receiving engineering degrees in this country are male. If I’m not mistaken, the proportion of working engineers who are male is higher than that, as engineering just doesn’t fit into women’s lives and they leave the profession. IIRC, about 13,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering are awarded to women each year, of the 2,000,000 women in each cohort entering the f/t, year-round labor force. You have the same number of men entering the work force, but only about 18,000 will have math degrees. The spectrum of degrees under the heading ‘computer and information science’ encompasses more people (I think around 50,000 young men each year), but still a small share of new entrants.

    Lots of people in computer-related occupations (4.2 million), but even more in one of the four strata of nursing (5.2 million). Don’t think nursing’s going away, even if it’s not ‘the future’. Lots of accountants in this country (1.2 million), pharmacists (300,000), natural scientists working outside academe (900,000), electricians (655,000) &c &c

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Ending up in Silicon Valley or SF is a mixed bag. On paper you will make more money than if you were living in Atlanta or Dallas but in real life a lot of the differential will be lost in increased housing costs, not to mention quality of life issues.
    , @Slug Life
    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.

    I think that's the author's point.

    There are a handful of metros that are rocketpacks for someone's early career. Silicon Valley and Seattle are the primary ones right now. If someone can be in the 2% of people who can navigate their way there (even if it's via San Jose State University, UC Santa Cruz and the like), then they have a huge advantage. More parents should heed the lessons of Being There and think about how it applies to their kids’ early careers.

    Way too many kids are lured into Top 25 universities, elite liberal arts colleges, and some Ivies that are the equivalent of company towns. Elite employers may recruit at these places, but they only take a handful of students. The rest have fairly mediocre to abysmal job placement, and are forced to try again with grad school. Most parents intrinsically understand the downside risk of taking a job in a small town that has one employer. Yet, they can’t ask themselves, "What happens if my kid goes to Brown and doesn't get recruited by Google? Or if he switches over to a dumb degree? Then what?“

    I’ve seen many Chinese and Indian kids who apply into random, no-name universities in the aforementioned “rocketpack” metros. Sure enough, a few years post-graduation they have jobs in tech many Ivy grads would kill for — PM’s, Data Scientists, etc at top companies. There is obvious survivorship bias here, but these individuals also have large, offsetting disadvantages (visa issues, language barriers, etc.). Point being, nothing is stopping US kids from following this route, aside from dumb advice from parents. Or perhaps, parents who view their child’s alma mater as a status symbol. Afterall, UPenn or Notre Dame sounds so much better in conversation than San Jose State University, doesn’t it?

  307. @Jack D
    Harvard is now 15% black and without AA it would be maybe 3%. Any school that is only 4.5% black in the current year, unless it is in some painfully white and unimportant place far outside the Eye of Soros, is going to come under suspicion of being "racist".

    The girl in question was apparently looking at "scatter diagrams" with her counselors. If you have seen these, they plot SAT on one axis and GPA on the other and each admitted student from your school is a dot. This way you can assess your chances - if you are in a spot where no one ever gets in, you're aiming too high. Apparently the girl noticed some dot that were way below the other dots and her counselor explained that these were for AA admits and not for people like her. Some dots are more equal than others.

    Harvard is a peculiar place, and it hoovers up no more than 0.062% of each youth cohort. Among other things, about 20% of its student body consists of foreigners recruited from abroad. At a typical 4-year institution, the share is about 3.5%. (btw, those living in this country with the status ‘permanent resident’ are not tallied under the heading ‘international student’). I bet if you unpacked it, you’d discover the domestic descendants-of-slaves population accounts for only a minority of that 15% share.

  308. @Nicholas Stix
    The people who keep “naming the Jew” here are all fans of Jeffrey MacDonald, not because he’s a brilliant scholar, but because he’s an anti-Semite.

    MacDonald’s whole “scientific” edifice is “Jewish ethnocentrism.”

    If the Jews were truly ethnocentric, and for MacDonald, they are the most ethnocentric people in existence, they would never marry gentiles. But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    I live in an Irish neighborhood. These people look they just got off the boat. When I used to wait to pick up my kid from elementary school, I’d see all these little Irish kids waiting for their big brothers and sisters to get let out. Half of them looked like my kid’s classmates’ brothers. “Are you so-and-so’s brother?,” I’d ask. The answer was always, “No,” and they weren’t cousins, either. I soon stopped asking, lest anyone accuse me of being a child molester.

    Over 80% of the Irish in my neighborhood marry Irish. Most of the other 20% engage in racial intermarriage, with Italian or German Catholics. That’s why you see some racially ambiguous-looking girls of all ages. The Irish marry Irish, stay Irish, and get their brethren jobs. Such loyalties typically exist only among wealthy Jews, whether Orthodox or non-Orthodox.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    I think you mean Kevin MacDonald, the psychologist at Cal State Long Beach, not Jeffrey MacDonald, the Army physician who slaughtered his wife and children.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    Pretty sure Henry Kissinger’s father was a gymnasium instructor (taught accounting, I believe) who began teaching around 1910.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    There were numerous Jewish professors who were dismissed when the Nazis took power. Maybe there was some point in the 19th century when unconverted Jews could not get government or academic jobs in Germany but during the 20th century (prior to 1933) there don't appear to have been any legal restrictions. Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.
  309. @Art Deco
    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    I think you mean Kevin MacDonald, the psychologist at Cal State Long Beach, not Jeffrey MacDonald, the Army physician who slaughtered his wife and children.


    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    Pretty sure Henry Kissinger's father was a gymnasium instructor (taught accounting, I believe) who began teaching around 1910.

    There were numerous Jewish professors who were dismissed when the Nazis took power. Maybe there was some point in the 19th century when unconverted Jews could not get government or academic jobs in Germany but during the 20th century (prior to 1933) there don’t appear to have been any legal restrictions. Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.
     
    But the key aspect is that it was a religious, rather than a race/ethnicity thing. When Hitler came to power, it was no longer just a religious thing.

    It's pretty amazing how an oddball personality like Hitler came to rule the strongest European power at the time. Of course, if Hitler had won, his face would be plastered over the side of every skyscraper in a world of German states. And we wouldn't be watching ads with interracial couples - can't do any when the other races are extinct.

    The kind of thing Hitler attempted - if you succeed, you're a visionary genius. If you fail - you'd better not fail. Germans were fortunate that Germany's foes had more humanitarian instincts than they did. Because less generous victors could have inflicted a close cousin of the Götterdämmerung on Germany.
  310. @Art Deco
    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person’s early 20’s and getting one’s life on track. That’s it. The idea of “dream schools” or whatever is largely overblown.

    +10


    Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.



    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    About 85% of those receiving engineering degrees in this country are male. If I'm not mistaken, the proportion of working engineers who are male is higher than that, as engineering just doesn't fit into women's lives and they leave the profession. IIRC, about 13,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering are awarded to women each year, of the 2,000,000 women in each cohort entering the f/t, year-round labor force. You have the same number of men entering the work force, but only about 18,000 will have math degrees. The spectrum of degrees under the heading 'computer and information science' encompasses more people (I think around 50,000 young men each year), but still a small share of new entrants.

    Lots of people in computer-related occupations (4.2 million), but even more in one of the four strata of nursing (5.2 million). Don't think nursing's going away, even if it's not 'the future'. Lots of accountants in this country (1.2 million), pharmacists (300,000), natural scientists working outside academe (900,000), electricians (655,000) &c &c

    Ending up in Silicon Valley or SF is a mixed bag. On paper you will make more money than if you were living in Atlanta or Dallas but in real life a lot of the differential will be lost in increased housing costs, not to mention quality of life issues.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Base pay for a buck coder at Big N is 120K. That's before the perks. You won't be living like a king like you could in rural Texas, but you can live very decently as a single 20-something.

    The problem is family formation. You want a good school district, get prepared to pay out the nose. This is the case all across the US, granted, but SF takes it to an extreme. And Seattle's quickly becoming SF North.

  311. @Hypnotoad666

    Grown men with a quality education might employ an occasional Tolkien allusion
     
    Literary allusions are a very interesting cultural memetic. They have to be common enough to be recognized by the reader. But they also have to be just esoteric enough to trigger a sense of satisfaction in the recognition. So their use signifies a kind of cultural tribal membership of sorts.

    Tracing the wax and wane of literary allusions would probably say a lot about our culture's evolution. (What it would say specifically, I have no idea, however.)

    My all-time favorite literary allusion:

  312. @Art Deco
    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person’s early 20’s and getting one’s life on track. That’s it. The idea of “dream schools” or whatever is largely overblown.

    +10


    Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.



    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    About 85% of those receiving engineering degrees in this country are male. If I'm not mistaken, the proportion of working engineers who are male is higher than that, as engineering just doesn't fit into women's lives and they leave the profession. IIRC, about 13,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering are awarded to women each year, of the 2,000,000 women in each cohort entering the f/t, year-round labor force. You have the same number of men entering the work force, but only about 18,000 will have math degrees. The spectrum of degrees under the heading 'computer and information science' encompasses more people (I think around 50,000 young men each year), but still a small share of new entrants.

    Lots of people in computer-related occupations (4.2 million), but even more in one of the four strata of nursing (5.2 million). Don't think nursing's going away, even if it's not 'the future'. Lots of accountants in this country (1.2 million), pharmacists (300,000), natural scientists working outside academe (900,000), electricians (655,000) &c &c

    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.

    I think that’s the author’s point.

    There are a handful of metros that are rocketpacks for someone’s early career. Silicon Valley and Seattle are the primary ones right now. If someone can be in the 2% of people who can navigate their way there (even if it’s via San Jose State University, UC Santa Cruz and the like), then they have a huge advantage. More parents should heed the lessons of Being There and think about how it applies to their kids’ early careers.

    Way too many kids are lured into Top 25 universities, elite liberal arts colleges, and some Ivies that are the equivalent of company towns. Elite employers may recruit at these places, but they only take a handful of students. The rest have fairly mediocre to abysmal job placement, and are forced to try again with grad school. Most parents intrinsically understand the downside risk of taking a job in a small town that has one employer. Yet, they can’t ask themselves, “What happens if my kid goes to Brown and doesn’t get recruited by Google? Or if he switches over to a dumb degree? Then what?“

    I’ve seen many Chinese and Indian kids who apply into random, no-name universities in the aforementioned “rocketpack” metros. Sure enough, a few years post-graduation they have jobs in tech many Ivy grads would kill for — PM’s, Data Scientists, etc at top companies. There is obvious survivorship bias here, but these individuals also have large, offsetting disadvantages (visa issues, language barriers, etc.). Point being, nothing is stopping US kids from following this route, aside from dumb advice from parents. Or perhaps, parents who view their child’s alma mater as a status symbol. Afterall, UPenn or Notre Dame sounds so much better in conversation than San Jose State University, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    There are a handful of metros that are rocketpacks for someone’s early career.

    No, there are a modest minority of people who do very well there. Then there's the rest. All but a few of us will live our lives among the rest.
  313. @Jack D
    Ending up in Silicon Valley or SF is a mixed bag. On paper you will make more money than if you were living in Atlanta or Dallas but in real life a lot of the differential will be lost in increased housing costs, not to mention quality of life issues.

    Base pay for a buck coder at Big N is 120K. That’s before the perks. You won’t be living like a king like you could in rural Texas, but you can live very decently as a single 20-something.

    The problem is family formation. You want a good school district, get prepared to pay out the nose. This is the case all across the US, granted, but SF takes it to an extreme. And Seattle’s quickly becoming SF North.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    The problem is family formation.
     
    This is an often forgotten/not mentioned point. San Francisco proper is EXTREMELY kid-unfriendly. The schools are for the most part terrible, they're not assigned (at least they weren't when we lit out for the 'burbs in early 2000's) by neighborhood so you can have 3 kids going to 3 different schools, and then there is the quality of life stuff. Even in the more neighborhoody part of SF, well away from the Financial District with the poopers and needles its not unusual to have a ranting lunatic or two wandering down the sidewalk.

    The burbs are much better in terms of quality of life but if you want to live on the SF peninsula get ready for pay $1,000/square foot for a house that has almost no yard and you're still gonna need to (with some exceptions) spring for private schools. How anyone can make it work on less than $500k in family income I'm not sure. The Badwhites fled.
    , @Jack D
    On $120K you'll be living in Dr. Blasey-Ford's converted garage or else driving 1.5 hrs to work.
  314. @Slug Life
    98% of the people in this country do not live in one of the eight counties around SF Bay. You have engineers and IT techs pretty much everywhere, albeit the concentrations vary.

    I think that's the author's point.

    There are a handful of metros that are rocketpacks for someone's early career. Silicon Valley and Seattle are the primary ones right now. If someone can be in the 2% of people who can navigate their way there (even if it's via San Jose State University, UC Santa Cruz and the like), then they have a huge advantage. More parents should heed the lessons of Being There and think about how it applies to their kids’ early careers.

    Way too many kids are lured into Top 25 universities, elite liberal arts colleges, and some Ivies that are the equivalent of company towns. Elite employers may recruit at these places, but they only take a handful of students. The rest have fairly mediocre to abysmal job placement, and are forced to try again with grad school. Most parents intrinsically understand the downside risk of taking a job in a small town that has one employer. Yet, they can’t ask themselves, "What happens if my kid goes to Brown and doesn't get recruited by Google? Or if he switches over to a dumb degree? Then what?“

    I’ve seen many Chinese and Indian kids who apply into random, no-name universities in the aforementioned “rocketpack” metros. Sure enough, a few years post-graduation they have jobs in tech many Ivy grads would kill for — PM’s, Data Scientists, etc at top companies. There is obvious survivorship bias here, but these individuals also have large, offsetting disadvantages (visa issues, language barriers, etc.). Point being, nothing is stopping US kids from following this route, aside from dumb advice from parents. Or perhaps, parents who view their child’s alma mater as a status symbol. Afterall, UPenn or Notre Dame sounds so much better in conversation than San Jose State University, doesn’t it?

    There are a handful of metros that are rocketpacks for someone’s early career.

    No, there are a modest minority of people who do very well there. Then there’s the rest. All but a few of us will live our lives among the rest.

  315. @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    Sorry just seeing this. I agree with the other responders.

    I’d add: If you think your kids are going to want to go to graduate school, the undergrad school is less important than how they do while there. I went to a top 5 (at the time…) MBA program and in addition to the usual Ivy types there plenty of State U, military academy, and then the whole continent of int’l students. Going to Stanford and getting C’s (bad example as I understand grade inflation there is rampant and you can’t get C’s at Stanford) will not get you into Harvard Business School. Going to Univ of Oklahoma, getting a 3.9 in a hard major (and also getting great GMAT’s) will get you into HBS.

    I can’t speak to law school or med school.

    I also can’t speak to the Ivies b/c I didn’t attend one, though know plenty of people who did and in terms of income they’re distributed about how you’d imagine based on personality. A couple CEO’s that are very outgoing command-a-room types. Private equity and venture capital types that I know that are successful also have good personalities and a natural ability to have people like them. The heads-down striver dork types mostly have topped out b/c there are very few areas of business where you can get away with having no personality or lack confidence.

    I don’t think you’re missing anything. There are plenty of good schools outside of the top 10 and in terms of income (and eventually wealth) distribution, a whole ton of overlap from tier to tier. One of the wealthiest guys I know didn’t actually even finish college (and the one he went to was no great shakes either – your basic 3rd tier state U). I’d guess his net worth conservatively at $50mm. All self-made.

    Our elites are doing everything they can to change it, but as of now there is still plenty of opportunity here for smart, hard-working people.

  316. @Pericles
    National headline: "Jew doesn't get into Ivy League! Future of Zionism threatened -- Nazis to blame"

    I mean, that's basically the same as yet another midwestern top student getting quietly and routinely rejected, isn't it?

    You have this backward. That wasn’t the headline at all. The headline was that when she complained about it, she was physically threatened by blacks and a near riot ensued. A Jews is at best another white person to blacks (at worst they hate them as much as you do) especially if they are not fully on board with the black agenda.

    I think you will really enjoy the new Woke America where blacks get to spout off like this:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7804745/Israeli-student-subjected-sickening-foul-mouthed-anti-Semitic-tirade-New-York-subway.html

    Of course if you tried it, they would drag you away in handcuffs, but maybe you can get a vicarious thrill from Zarinah’s rant.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Institutions refusing to apply conventional rules of conduct to blacks has been a problem in this country for about 50 years now. Not one uniformly present, but certainly manifest in schools. It's not a feature of 'New Woke America'. Blacks aren't an exceptionally fecund population and immigration streams from abroad have been modest; the black proportion of the population is almost precisely the same as it was in 1860. The more salient problem isn't blacks, it is white liberals, who are interfering with ordinary social discipline. Institutional gatekeepers have no trouble disregarding the views of subpopulations with more numbers and more income flow. In this case, they Just Do Not Feel Like It.
  317. @nebulafox
    Base pay for a buck coder at Big N is 120K. That's before the perks. You won't be living like a king like you could in rural Texas, but you can live very decently as a single 20-something.

    The problem is family formation. You want a good school district, get prepared to pay out the nose. This is the case all across the US, granted, but SF takes it to an extreme. And Seattle's quickly becoming SF North.

    The problem is family formation.

    This is an often forgotten/not mentioned point. San Francisco proper is EXTREMELY kid-unfriendly. The schools are for the most part terrible, they’re not assigned (at least they weren’t when we lit out for the ‘burbs in early 2000’s) by neighborhood so you can have 3 kids going to 3 different schools, and then there is the quality of life stuff. Even in the more neighborhoody part of SF, well away from the Financial District with the poopers and needles its not unusual to have a ranting lunatic or two wandering down the sidewalk.

    The burbs are much better in terms of quality of life but if you want to live on the SF peninsula get ready for pay $1,000/square foot for a house that has almost no yard and you’re still gonna need to (with some exceptions) spring for private schools. How anyone can make it work on less than $500k in family income I’m not sure. The Badwhites fled.

  318. @nebulafox
    Base pay for a buck coder at Big N is 120K. That's before the perks. You won't be living like a king like you could in rural Texas, but you can live very decently as a single 20-something.

    The problem is family formation. You want a good school district, get prepared to pay out the nose. This is the case all across the US, granted, but SF takes it to an extreme. And Seattle's quickly becoming SF North.

    On $120K you’ll be living in Dr. Blasey-Ford’s converted garage or else driving 1.5 hrs to work.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    That's an over-exaggeration. When I was searching for apartments in SF, the going rate for an apartment to yourself in a trendy part of town was 3000+, from my admittedly cursory glances. (Not really interested in that stuff and wanted to save cash.) So, let's assume you go with that. You take home 6500 per month after taxes, spend 3500 on rent, that's 3000 left over. If you are smart with your money, you can still save four digits per month while not living on ramen noodles. More than what most Americans choose to do. I have not asked the guys I know who work in Mountain View or Palo Alto what rents are like out there. I'd assume it is worse.

    Again: the real problem is that the Bay Area is not a reproduction-friendly place, or at least for the UMC brains of the bunch. I guess looking on the positive side, though, the SJWs don't, either. That, and something I didn't bring up: a lot of people have tons of debt from student loans, cars, etc. That'll severely limit your options when coupled with Bay Area rents.

  319. @Jack D
    There were numerous Jewish professors who were dismissed when the Nazis took power. Maybe there was some point in the 19th century when unconverted Jews could not get government or academic jobs in Germany but during the 20th century (prior to 1933) there don't appear to have been any legal restrictions. Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.

    Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.

    But the key aspect is that it was a religious, rather than a race/ethnicity thing. When Hitler came to power, it was no longer just a religious thing.

    It’s pretty amazing how an oddball personality like Hitler came to rule the strongest European power at the time. Of course, if Hitler had won, his face would be plastered over the side of every skyscraper in a world of German states. And we wouldn’t be watching ads with interracial couples – can’t do any when the other races are extinct.

    The kind of thing Hitler attempted – if you succeed, you’re a visionary genius. If you fail – you’d better not fail. Germans were fortunate that Germany’s foes had more humanitarian instincts than they did. Because less generous victors could have inflicted a close cousin of the Götterdämmerung on Germany.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    less generous victors could have inflicted a close cousin of the Götterdämmerung on Germany.
     
    Eisenhower DID murder tens of thousands of surrendered German soldiers by confining them behind wire without shelter, adequate clothes or food.  In winter.
  320. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Also @Jack D and @William Badwhite

    I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

    My children are several years away from college applications. But speaking candidly, it seems like parents emphasize the wrong thing -- namely, the specific college and its ranking, as opposed to the chosen major and post-graduation next-steps (overwhelmingly dictated by proximity to a major job market).

    When the day comes, I will emphasize that the purpose of college is to serve as a stepping stone to a person's early 20's and getting one's life on track. That's it. The idea of "dream schools" or whatever is largely overblown.

    A good university *can* help someone in their early 20's. It helped me. But there several hacks that are just as effective. Probably the biggest one is going to a 2nd-3rd tier university in a major job market, then graduating in 3 years and near the top of their class in a "Death Science” or Engineering degree. Someone who follows this path at say, UC Santa Cruz, will probably have a long-term better employment outcome than someone with a comparable degree at Emory or Duke (who will likely end up in Atlanta or the East Coast)

    Along those lines, it blows my mind when parents do not emphasize the tech route, since it is obviously the future. For a son, I would push very hard for a computer science / math degree combo. For a daughter, maybe industrial engineering, since it establishes basic technical credibility for post-employment hiring.

    Additionally, I would much rather save money on a name brand school, and then be able to help my children relocate for a great entry-level job opportunity.

    Not looking to underplay any of these stresses, but it seems like this is all fairly straightforward.
    Am I missing something?

    Thanks!

    Doubt this approach can be generalized to anywhere beyond Silicon Valley. Technical SV roles have two large IQ hurdles, an engineering degree (made intentionally difficult by ABET accreditation) and day-long technical interviews, which blatantly resemble an IQ test. This creates “pipeline problems”, or in legalese, disparate impact. Rough breakdown of emphasis is: 70% brains, 10% school, and 20% behavioral. Hence, you get many quirky, intelligent, type-A assholes.

    The rest of the country does not resemble this at all. The focus will be 60% school, 20% behavioral and 20% brains. The brains portion will be less about abstract reasoning, and more geared towards case studies, which can be learned.

    Your kid from a no-name school with a 3.8 in computer science will probably get picked up by a big tech company or hot startup in SV or Seattle. But in NYC, Chicago and the like, no elite employer would give them a second look. If they did, he would be coding spreadsheets in an expendable, back-office department. Complete misallocation of talent, but it is what it is.

  321. @Jack D
    On $120K you'll be living in Dr. Blasey-Ford's converted garage or else driving 1.5 hrs to work.

    That’s an over-exaggeration. When I was searching for apartments in SF, the going rate for an apartment to yourself in a trendy part of town was 3000+, from my admittedly cursory glances. (Not really interested in that stuff and wanted to save cash.) So, let’s assume you go with that. You take home 6500 per month after taxes, spend 3500 on rent, that’s 3000 left over. If you are smart with your money, you can still save four digits per month while not living on ramen noodles. More than what most Americans choose to do. I have not asked the guys I know who work in Mountain View or Palo Alto what rents are like out there. I’d assume it is worse.

    Again: the real problem is that the Bay Area is not a reproduction-friendly place, or at least for the UMC brains of the bunch. I guess looking on the positive side, though, the SJWs don’t, either. That, and something I didn’t bring up: a lot of people have tons of debt from student loans, cars, etc. That’ll severely limit your options when coupled with Bay Area rents.

  322. @Alden
    Wasn’t Guiliani elected 35,40 years ago?

    The Tessa Majors killing seems to have brought back the Jewish black coalition against the White goyim. It’s very different from the Central Park jogger that turned NY Whites, including Jews against the hyena packs.

    Anti White anti police pro black criminal son of communists DeBlasio was elected mayor twice. He made it clear he was for opening the jails, bail for detainee at no cost, no school discipline and the worst and most dangerous liberal agenda.

    And the Jewish black coalition made him mayor twice.

    Many of us deplorables think of NYC as a town inhabited by nothing but Jewish billionaires, Jewish radical SJWs, gays feminazis, vegans, trans genders, scattered buttinskies, tree worshippers, pit bull lovers and other childless Jewish cause people on top, black and brown criminals with hordes of hyena children the rest of the population.

    That’s just what NYC projects.

    The white ethnic neighborhoods have been reduced to Staten Island, Eastern Queens, and very small pockets in the Bronx and Brooklyn.

  323. @Nicholas Stix
    "There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined."

    Uh, no.

    He's your guy, why ask me? Isn't he the Green Beret Jewologist who wiped out his family?

    Is someone confusing Jeffrey McDonald with Kevin McDonald?

  324. @Nicholas Stix
    "There are more Jewish organizations devoted to the pursuit of Jewish interests in America than all other ethnic organizations combined."

    Uh, no.

    He's your guy, why ask me? Isn't he the Green Beret Jewologist who wiped out his family?

    Is someone confusing Jeffrey McDonald with Kevin McDonald?

  325. @Jack D
    You have this backward. That wasn't the headline at all. The headline was that when she complained about it, she was physically threatened by blacks and a near riot ensued. A Jews is at best another white person to blacks (at worst they hate them as much as you do) especially if they are not fully on board with the black agenda.

    I think you will really enjoy the new Woke America where blacks get to spout off like this:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7804745/Israeli-student-subjected-sickening-foul-mouthed-anti-Semitic-tirade-New-York-subway.html

    Of course if you tried it, they would drag you away in handcuffs, but maybe you can get a vicarious thrill from Zarinah's rant.

    Institutions refusing to apply conventional rules of conduct to blacks has been a problem in this country for about 50 years now. Not one uniformly present, but certainly manifest in schools. It’s not a feature of ‘New Woke America’. Blacks aren’t an exceptionally fecund population and immigration streams from abroad have been modest; the black proportion of the population is almost precisely the same as it was in 1860. The more salient problem isn’t blacks, it is white liberals, who are interfering with ordinary social discipline. Institutional gatekeepers have no trouble disregarding the views of subpopulations with more numbers and more income flow. In this case, they Just Do Not Feel Like It.

  326. @Nico

    The ultra-Orthodox / Haredi are projected to be greater than half of Israeli’s population by mid-century, with Arabs comprising another 20%. Already, Haredi are creating a political stalemate. Once their demographic piece of pie doubles, Israel becomes an Ultra-Orthodox Jewish state, and is done as a developed nation.
     
    I'm glad someone else notices this.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds. For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that Netanyahu, as a nationalist hard-right figure, appeals to Conservatism, Inc. types but in actuality, he's "right-wing" on terms that are increasingly Middle-Eastern and Hebrew, rather than Western and Nicene. Somewhat ironically, considering the anti-Western cachet of so many liberal/non-or-barely-practicing Jewish intellectuals in North America, these trends suggest that in the context of Israel a Jewish state must become less and less Western the more it becomes explicitly and traditionally Jewish.

    I also expect the persecution of Palestinian Christains by Israeli Jews will accelerate concomitantly: in the last centuries before the official Christianization of the Roman Empire Jews and Christians were constantly at each other's throats for influence in and around the Holy Land, and I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that[…]

    Wait…you’re a paleoconservative but you view “secularized post-Christian ways” favorably? Either I’ve misunderstood you or there’s a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews.

    [MORE]
    Perhaps the greatest example is the United States of America. I feel a great debt of gratitude for this hospitality that I have benefited so greatly from. And I am by no means alone, as a Jew, in having such sentiments.

    Returning to the question of Jewish-Muslim relations, I note that there are many instances of Jews and Muslims co-existing peaceably and even amicably today. This includes my own neighborhood (in the US), where a number of Muslims live and work.

    (Incidentally, concerning Muslims and so-called Ultra-Orthodox*/Haredi Jews, while I’m not sure which of those two groups is more despised than the other here in iSteve land, that both rank pretty high on the list of least favorably viewed groups in these parts would appear to be of litle doubt.)

    All of the above notwithstanding, I hasten to add that I find it entirely reasonable for Western nations to at least be wary of Muslims and even to restrict them from entrance. (I actually support a near-total, across-the-board moratorium on immigration into the US.)

    I might even have to say much the same about Jews as well, I’m afraid. For I acknowledge, much to my chagrin, that Jews — especially prominent ones– are over-represented in many of the most morally, culturally and socially pernicious movements and causes. Such Jews, it must be noted, are primarily individuals who, while of Jewish descent and/or who identify as Jewish, are actually quite estranged from Judaism. Such individuals are overwhelmingly at least secular and irreligious, and often anti-religious and even atheist. Causes such as “LGBTQ”; the promotion of smut; and feminism are no less abominable from a traditional Judaic perspective than they are from any Christian or other religious perspective. (Where do you think Christianity as well as Islam took their basic positions in these areas from?)

    A few additional points that, like the ones I have outlined above, I find to be both quite germane as well as mostly omitted, ignored or glossed over here and in related discussions:

    – Zionism, from its inception and in all of its forms, was condemned as a heresy by a near-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbinic authorities. The authentic Judaic view is that Jews are in a divinely-decried exile from which we can only be redeemed by the divine intervention of the arrival of the long-awaited Messiah. Until such deliverance (which we pray for daily), we are forbidden both from establishing sovereignty in the Holy Land,

    – as well as from rebelling against the nations in which we live. We are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens of our host nations.

    – As long as we are allowed to remain true to our faith, we do do not interfere with the religious affairs of others. Torah-observant Jews who are secure in their identity have no need or desire to play the Grinch.

    – *The term “Ultra-Orthodox” is predicated upon the tendentious assumption that those who are known as Modern-Orthodox represent the normative standard of Judaic Orthodoxy. This is analogous to the prevailing characterizations of those who favor restricting immigration as “far”, “extreme” or “ultra” right-wing.

    (I do not claim that Orthodox and devout Jews do not pose any challenges for Western nations. But I would contend that whatever problems we do pose tend to be (a) limited in scope to the local and regional level; (b) and far from the kind of fundamental and existential threats for which secular Jews are disproportionately culpabale and complicit; and (c) mostly solvable or at least managable through means that would result in reasonable compromrises that balanced the interests and rights of all involved parties.)

    ~ ~ ~

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.

    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule.

    The Maddison Project hasn't yet produced estimates of real income levels in the Muslim world for the early 20th c. The estimates for 1950 were as follows (expressed as a ratio to gdp per capita ppp in the United States):

    Lebanon: 0.369 (nb, majority Christian)
    Saudi Arabia: 0.280 (nb, oil production began in 1938)
    Libya: 0.20
    Iraq: 0.195 (oil production began in 1927)
    Morocco: 0.178
    Iran: 0.168
    Syria: 0.165
    Jordan: 0.13
    Egypt: 0.13
    Turkey: 0.125
    Tunisia: 0.106
    Oman: 0.086
    Yemen: 0.069

    ===

    NB, in regard to production, the period running from 1914 to 1945 was a set of lost decades in much of Europe, due to political disorders (among other things).

    Roumania: 0.062
    Yugoslavia: 0.082
    Albania: 0.097
    Greece: 0.172
    Hungary: 0.174
    Portugal: 0.182
    Bulgaria: 0.192
    Poland: 0.206
    Italy: 0.242
    Spain: 0.275
    Austria: 0.299
    Germany: 0.363
    Soviet Russia: 0.372
    Czechoslovakia: 0.419
    France: 0.450
    Belgium: 0.458
    Netherlands: 0.470
    Argentina: 0.560
    Great Britain: 0.619
    New Zealand: 0.765
    Canada: 0.788
    Australia: 0.888
    United States: 1.000
    , @Nico

    Wait…you’re a paleoconservative but you view “secularized post-Christian ways” favorably? Either I’ve misunderstood you or there’s a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.
     
    Option 3: you've misunderstood me slightly AND there is in fact some intentional irony to the juxtaposition.

    When Israel was founded it was basically a Western nation in the image of soft-core yuppie social liberalism à la FDR and Eleanor. Not exactly ideological soulmates from my point of view but both in Israel and in the actual West that framework has formed the basis for a society where at least for the next few decades there would still be a great deal of what I could recognize as "my own." I don't have to adopt liberalism to say that I kind of like living in a society where I don't spend most of my life in pain or in *ubiquitous* danger of falling prey to a robbery or random knifing (there is always at least a minor risk, perhaps more and more so with immigration on the rise) or malnourished, where the rule of the law is (or was until recently) fairly consistent and predictable and where I can easily obtain medications that are not generally poisonous.

    On the other hand I am well aware that if the societies I care the most about and pay the most attention to (because of my nationality, my residence and my biological origins) - Britain, Ireland, France and the United States - have all changed drastically (in my opinion, for the worst and towards the end of the line) since I was a child in the 1980s, the reason is that the seeds of the final immolation were sown in successive and precedential waves long before, and FDR social-liberalism was but one of those waves.

    As far as Israel is concerned, maybe the soft-core yuppie liberalism is ultimately bad for traditional Judaism as well. I don't know; I suppose Jews will have to work *that* one out among themselves. But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more "traditional" those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews.
     
    Yes, in fact what you are explaining here is not too far off from what I was referring to.


    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.
     
    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).
     
    I suppose I could have said, "Israel's evangelical amen corner à la Dan Crenshaw sing praises of the Jewish state largely on theological grounds." Maybe you think that would be a more effective or nobler way to put it. Certainly it's more "gentlemanly" but I am no gentleman. In fact, I'd even say it's a shame to miss the opportunity to mock someone where mockery is due. The man seems to think that the modern State of Israel is the divinely-ordained continuity of the Biblical Israel from which sprang Christ.

    I'll add that I try not to make fun of Jews outside of Israel for supporting Israel (unless they happen to support mass Third-World immigration into the West at the same time, as at least a few prominent ones apparently do). In one sense it's tempting to say not my people, not my business*. Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.

    *Except of course insofar as an Israel that supports my goals in my country and is accommodating to people "like me" is viscerally attractive. Maybe one key question is what kind of such Israel would be attractive to traditionally-minded Jews as well.
  327. @Dissident

    For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that[...]
     
    Wait...you're a paleoconservative but you view "secularized post-Christian ways" favorably? Either I've misunderstood you or there's a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.
     
    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews. Perhaps the greatest example is the United States of America. I feel a great debt of gratitude for this hospitality that I have benefited so greatly from. And I am by no means alone, as a Jew, in having such sentiments.

    Returning to the question of Jewish-Muslim relations, I note that there are many instances of Jews and Muslims co-existing peaceably and even amicably today. This includes my own neighborhood (in the US), where a number of Muslims live and work.

    (Incidentally, concerning Muslims and so-called Ultra-Orthodox*/Haredi Jews, while I'm not sure which of those two groups is more despised than the other here in iSteve land, that both rank pretty high on the list of least favorably viewed groups in these parts would appear to be of litle doubt.)

    All of the above notwithstanding, I hasten to add that I find it entirely reasonable for Western nations to at least be wary of Muslims and even to restrict them from entrance. (I actually support a near-total, across-the-board moratorium on immigration into the US.)

    I might even have to say much the same about Jews as well, I'm afraid. For I acknowledge, much to my chagrin, that Jews -- especially prominent ones-- are over-represented in many of the most morally, culturally and socially pernicious movements and causes. Such Jews, it must be noted, are primarily individuals who, while of Jewish descent and/or who identify as Jewish, are actually quite estranged from Judaism. Such individuals are overwhelmingly at least secular and irreligious, and often anti-religious and even atheist. Causes such as "LGBTQ"; the promotion of smut; and feminism are no less abominable from a traditional Judaic perspective than they are from any Christian or other religious perspective. (Where do you think Christianity as well as Islam took their basic positions in these areas from?)

    A few additional points that, like the ones I have outlined above, I find to be both quite germane as well as mostly omitted, ignored or glossed over here and in related discussions:

    - Zionism, from its inception and in all of its forms, was condemned as a heresy by a near-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbinic authorities. The authentic Judaic view is that Jews are in a divinely-decried exile from which we can only be redeemed by the divine intervention of the arrival of the long-awaited Messiah. Until such deliverance (which we pray for daily), we are forbidden both from establishing sovereignty in the Holy Land,

    - as well as from rebelling against the nations in which we live. We are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens of our host nations.

    - As long as we are allowed to remain true to our faith, we do do not interfere with the religious affairs of others. Torah-observant Jews who are secure in their identity have no need or desire to play the Grinch.

    - *The term "Ultra-Orthodox" is predicated upon the tendentious assumption that those who are known as Modern-Orthodox represent the normative standard of Judaic Orthodoxy. This is analogous to the prevailing characterizations of those who favor restricting immigration as "far", "extreme" or "ultra" right-wing.

    (I do not claim that Orthodox and devout Jews do not pose any challenges for Western nations. But I would contend that whatever problems we do pose tend to be (a) limited in scope to the local and regional level; (b) and far from the kind of fundamental and existential threats for which secular Jews are disproportionately culpabale and complicit; and (c) mostly solvable or at least managable through means that would result in reasonable compromrises that balanced the interests and rights of all involved parties.)

    ~ ~ ~

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.
     
    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).

    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule.

    The Maddison Project hasn’t yet produced estimates of real income levels in the Muslim world for the early 20th c. The estimates for 1950 were as follows (expressed as a ratio to gdp per capita ppp in the United States):

    Lebanon: 0.369 (nb, majority Christian)
    Saudi Arabia: 0.280 (nb, oil production began in 1938)
    Libya: 0.20
    Iraq: 0.195 (oil production began in 1927)
    Morocco: 0.178
    Iran: 0.168
    Syria: 0.165
    Jordan: 0.13
    Egypt: 0.13
    Turkey: 0.125
    Tunisia: 0.106
    Oman: 0.086
    Yemen: 0.069

    ===

    NB, in regard to production, the period running from 1914 to 1945 was a set of lost decades in much of Europe, due to political disorders (among other things).

    Roumania: 0.062
    Yugoslavia: 0.082
    Albania: 0.097
    Greece: 0.172
    Hungary: 0.174
    Portugal: 0.182
    Bulgaria: 0.192
    Poland: 0.206
    Italy: 0.242
    Spain: 0.275
    Austria: 0.299
    Germany: 0.363
    Soviet Russia: 0.372
    Czechoslovakia: 0.419
    France: 0.450
    Belgium: 0.458
    Netherlands: 0.470
    Argentina: 0.560
    Great Britain: 0.619
    New Zealand: 0.765
    Canada: 0.788
    Australia: 0.888
    United States: 1.000

  328. @Johann Ricke

    Certainly there were pockets of anti-Semitism and particular organizations or individuals may have taken it upon themselves to keep Jews out but there was no blanket prohibition. That being said, converting certainly might enhance your career and social prospects, especially if you wanted to rise to the highest levels.
     
    But the key aspect is that it was a religious, rather than a race/ethnicity thing. When Hitler came to power, it was no longer just a religious thing.

    It's pretty amazing how an oddball personality like Hitler came to rule the strongest European power at the time. Of course, if Hitler had won, his face would be plastered over the side of every skyscraper in a world of German states. And we wouldn't be watching ads with interracial couples - can't do any when the other races are extinct.

    The kind of thing Hitler attempted - if you succeed, you're a visionary genius. If you fail - you'd better not fail. Germans were fortunate that Germany's foes had more humanitarian instincts than they did. Because less generous victors could have inflicted a close cousin of the Götterdämmerung on Germany.

    less generous victors could have inflicted a close cousin of the Götterdämmerung on Germany.

    Eisenhower DID murder tens of thousands of surrendered German soldiers by confining them behind wire without shelter, adequate clothes or food.  In winter.

  329. @Dan Hayes
    Once you use "segregation" or any of its forms, all rational discussion is over. It's a milder form of the N word!

    Once you use “segregation” or any of its forms, all rational discussion is over.

    I certainly appreciate that. I was questioning, though, whether Eliza Shapiro was applying the word herself or merely reporting on others’ use of it. As I wrote, I didn’t see evidence that it was more than the latter but I did acknowledge that were some instances where it may have been ambiguous.

    While I certainly appreciate the general point that J.Ross made in his reply to me, I’m not sure that I accept his application of it to this specific case. At any rate, I don’t find it implausible that Ms. Shapiro is less-than-innocent here. But even if that is the case, Mr. Sailer’s wording directing the blame almost exclusively on her still seems odd to me– given the seemingly more direct culpability of the students and teacher that are cited.

    Apologies for my delay in responding.

    BTW, I have been wanting to ask you, Mr. Hayes, if you still listen to WBAI at all.

    [MORE]
    Have you been following the recent developments in the never-ending drama and farce that is that ever-dysfunctional radio station? After a month of nothing but canned/piped-in Pacifica programming during what Max Schmid and other on-air personalities describe as a hostile takeover by a rogue element at Pacifica, they came back yet again for yet more endless on-air fund-raising.

    I find it incredible that they’ve managed to last this long, after so many times when it sounded like it would finally be the end for them. Of course, what’s kept them afloat all this time would appear to be in no small part the revenue they generate from hocking as premiums various forms of what is mostly little more than snake-oil. I remember hearing the late Lynn Samuels respond to a caller who had mentioned WBAI offering “the Gary Null enema kit” as a fund-raising premium by saying, “Well, /they/ really need that there”.

  330. @Jane Plain
    The Jewish attitude towards Palestinian-Israeli Christians has changed for the better, for two reasons:

    1. Israel is the only place in the world where Christians have a better school system than Jews; and

    2. They run the best restaurants. Somebody's gotta do it.

    Interesting information. I’d be happy if it were true. Any data?

  331. @Dissident

    For a paleoconservative like myself the only interest in continuing to support Israel is its standing as effectively a European colony whose social matrix and political system grew out of the post-Napoleonic liberalized European Jewry, who had increasingly adopted secularized post-Christian ways in many of their day-to-day ongoings. There is a bit of irony in that[...]
     
    Wait...you're a paleoconservative but you view "secularized post-Christian ways" favorably? Either I've misunderstood you or there's a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.

    I have seen evidence that many Jews have preferred both in word and in deed to live alongside Muslims rather than Christians until quite recently.
     
    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews. Perhaps the greatest example is the United States of America. I feel a great debt of gratitude for this hospitality that I have benefited so greatly from. And I am by no means alone, as a Jew, in having such sentiments.

    Returning to the question of Jewish-Muslim relations, I note that there are many instances of Jews and Muslims co-existing peaceably and even amicably today. This includes my own neighborhood (in the US), where a number of Muslims live and work.

    (Incidentally, concerning Muslims and so-called Ultra-Orthodox*/Haredi Jews, while I'm not sure which of those two groups is more despised than the other here in iSteve land, that both rank pretty high on the list of least favorably viewed groups in these parts would appear to be of litle doubt.)

    All of the above notwithstanding, I hasten to add that I find it entirely reasonable for Western nations to at least be wary of Muslims and even to restrict them from entrance. (I actually support a near-total, across-the-board moratorium on immigration into the US.)

    I might even have to say much the same about Jews as well, I'm afraid. For I acknowledge, much to my chagrin, that Jews -- especially prominent ones-- are over-represented in many of the most morally, culturally and socially pernicious movements and causes. Such Jews, it must be noted, are primarily individuals who, while of Jewish descent and/or who identify as Jewish, are actually quite estranged from Judaism. Such individuals are overwhelmingly at least secular and irreligious, and often anti-religious and even atheist. Causes such as "LGBTQ"; the promotion of smut; and feminism are no less abominable from a traditional Judaic perspective than they are from any Christian or other religious perspective. (Where do you think Christianity as well as Islam took their basic positions in these areas from?)

    A few additional points that, like the ones I have outlined above, I find to be both quite germane as well as mostly omitted, ignored or glossed over here and in related discussions:

    - Zionism, from its inception and in all of its forms, was condemned as a heresy by a near-unanimous consensus of the leading rabbinic authorities. The authentic Judaic view is that Jews are in a divinely-decried exile from which we can only be redeemed by the divine intervention of the arrival of the long-awaited Messiah. Until such deliverance (which we pray for daily), we are forbidden both from establishing sovereignty in the Holy Land,

    - as well as from rebelling against the nations in which we live. We are commanded to live as loyal, law-abiding citizens of our host nations.

    - As long as we are allowed to remain true to our faith, we do do not interfere with the religious affairs of others. Torah-observant Jews who are secure in their identity have no need or desire to play the Grinch.

    - *The term "Ultra-Orthodox" is predicated upon the tendentious assumption that those who are known as Modern-Orthodox represent the normative standard of Judaic Orthodoxy. This is analogous to the prevailing characterizations of those who favor restricting immigration as "far", "extreme" or "ultra" right-wing.

    (I do not claim that Orthodox and devout Jews do not pose any challenges for Western nations. But I would contend that whatever problems we do pose tend to be (a) limited in scope to the local and regional level; (b) and far from the kind of fundamental and existential threats for which secular Jews are disproportionately culpabale and complicit; and (c) mostly solvable or at least managable through means that would result in reasonable compromrises that balanced the interests and rights of all involved parties.)

    ~ ~ ~

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.
     
    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).

    Wait…you’re a paleoconservative but you view “secularized post-Christian ways” favorably? Either I’ve misunderstood you or there’s a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.

    Option 3: you’ve misunderstood me slightly AND there is in fact some intentional irony to the juxtaposition.

    [MORE]

    When Israel was founded it was basically a Western nation in the image of soft-core yuppie social liberalism à la FDR and Eleanor. Not exactly ideological soulmates from my point of view but both in Israel and in the actual West that framework has formed the basis for a society where at least for the next few decades there would still be a great deal of what I could recognize as “my own.” I don’t have to adopt liberalism to say that I kind of like living in a society where I don’t spend most of my life in pain or in *ubiquitous* danger of falling prey to a robbery or random knifing (there is always at least a minor risk, perhaps more and more so with immigration on the rise) or malnourished, where the rule of the law is (or was until recently) fairly consistent and predictable and where I can easily obtain medications that are not generally poisonous.

    On the other hand I am well aware that if the societies I care the most about and pay the most attention to (because of my nationality, my residence and my biological origins) – Britain, Ireland, France and the United States – have all changed drastically (in my opinion, for the worst and towards the end of the line) since I was a child in the 1980s, the reason is that the seeds of the final immolation were sown in successive and precedential waves long before, and FDR social-liberalism was but one of those waves.

    As far as Israel is concerned, maybe the soft-core yuppie liberalism is ultimately bad for traditional Judaism as well. I don’t know; I suppose Jews will have to work *that* one out among themselves. But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews.

    Yes, in fact what you are explaining here is not too far off from what I was referring to.

    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.

    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).

    I suppose I could have said, “Israel’s evangelical amen corner à la Dan Crenshaw sing praises of the Jewish state largely on theological grounds.” Maybe you think that would be a more effective or nobler way to put it. Certainly it’s more “gentlemanly” but I am no gentleman. In fact, I’d even say it’s a shame to miss the opportunity to mock someone where mockery is due. The man seems to think that the modern State of Israel is the divinely-ordained continuity of the Biblical Israel from which sprang Christ.

    I’ll add that I try not to make fun of Jews outside of Israel for supporting Israel (unless they happen to support mass Third-World immigration into the West at the same time, as at least a few prominent ones apparently do). In one sense it’s tempting to say not my people, not my business*. Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.

    *Except of course insofar as an Israel that supports my goals in my country and is accommodating to people “like me” is viscerally attractive. Maybe one key question is what kind of such Israel would be attractive to traditionally-minded Jews as well.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    Thank you very much for the detailed response. Much appreciated. Believe it or not (and I wouldn't blame you for being skeptical), I had, upon further thought, actually suspected the explanation for the seeming contradiction might be along the very lines as the ones you articulated. Below, I respond to a few specific parts of your comment. Happy holiday*.

    But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.
     
    1.) It is not Judaism that is changing but Jews and how they relate to it. Non-Orthodox Jews, due to their high intermarriage rates and low fertility, are a rapidly vanishing species. At the same time, Orthodox Jews, with their high fertility and near-zero rate of intermarriage, are rapidly increasing in number.

    2.) You touch upon a certain irony. Theologically and even as far as political views goes, a traditionalist Christian should have more in common with an Orthodox Jew than with a secular Jew, certainly if an atheist one. Culturally, however, the reverse is probably more likely to be true in most cases--at least in so far as most so-called Ultra-Orthodox Jews* are concerned. I'm atypical, in no small part as a result of the fact that I was not raised Orthodox.
    (*For anyone reading this who may not have read my previous reply to nico, in it I noted and briefly explained my rejection of the term "Ultra-Orthodox".)


    Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.
     
    "spurious eschatological fantasies" is just the characterization I would apply to the belief of certain Zionist Jews that their State represents, ushers in or hastens the beginning stage of the Messianic era (Askhalta D'geulah). Incidentally, I have been led to believe that Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.

    *As per my "no desire to play the Grinch" statement in my previous comment, I have absolutely no problem with other people wishing each other "Merry Christmas". And contra Juliar Ioffe, were someone to earnestly and in goodwill (as opposed to in a taunting or spiteful manner) direct said greeting my way, I would respond graciously. I stop short, however, of invoking it myself.

  332. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicholas Stix
    The people who keep “naming the Jew” here are all fans of Jeffrey MacDonald, not because he’s a brilliant scholar, but because he’s an anti-Semite.

    MacDonald’s whole “scientific” edifice is “Jewish ethnocentrism.”

    If the Jews were truly ethnocentric, and for MacDonald, they are the most ethnocentric people in existence, they would never marry gentiles. But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    I live in an Irish neighborhood. These people look they just got off the boat. When I used to wait to pick up my kid from elementary school, I’d see all these little Irish kids waiting for their big brothers and sisters to get let out. Half of them looked like my kid’s classmates’ brothers. “Are you so-and-so’s brother?,” I’d ask. The answer was always, “No,” and they weren’t cousins, either. I soon stopped asking, lest anyone accuse me of being a child molester.

    Over 80% of the Irish in my neighborhood marry Irish. Most of the other 20% engage in racial intermarriage, with Italian or German Catholics. That’s why you see some racially ambiguous-looking girls of all ages. The Irish marry Irish, stay Irish, and get their brethren jobs. Such loyalties typically exist only among wealthy Jews, whether Orthodox or non-Orthodox.

    Jews are the least ethnocentric group in America. If Jeffrey MacDonald were honest, he would speak of Irish ethnocentrism or Italian ethnocentrism.

    BTW, there was no German “Emancipation of the Jews.” It was fake. The only way a Jew could get a job in the civil service (which included professorships), was to convert to Christianity.

    But the majority of Jews engage in out-marriage.

    Which majority of which Jews? Do you mean the majority of all Jewish people world wide? The majority of Jewish people in North Africa? The majority of Jews in Israel? The majority of Jews in Europe? The majority of Jews in the US?

    This is a very vague statement. It’s so vague as to be without meaning. Perhaps you should clarify and maybe even provide some kind of citation to support it?

  333. @Yngvar
    7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence. /j

    7 of all the comments start with I think, without evidence. /j

    I don’t think so.

  334. @Jane Plain
    Thanks, but it's depressing to get shot at from both sides.

    What I should have said to "Art Deco" was, "Oh really? How?"

    I think Art Deco is angry at me because I'm the only person here who got the better of him, when I pointed out that you don't need a rope to call it a lynching. He never had an answer to that. So he got mad.

    So stick around. With some people, you can never change their minds; but you probably knew that already.

  335. @Nico

    Wait…you’re a paleoconservative but you view “secularized post-Christian ways” favorably? Either I’ve misunderstood you or there’s a lot more than a bit of irony in that juxtaposition.
     
    Option 3: you've misunderstood me slightly AND there is in fact some intentional irony to the juxtaposition.

    When Israel was founded it was basically a Western nation in the image of soft-core yuppie social liberalism à la FDR and Eleanor. Not exactly ideological soulmates from my point of view but both in Israel and in the actual West that framework has formed the basis for a society where at least for the next few decades there would still be a great deal of what I could recognize as "my own." I don't have to adopt liberalism to say that I kind of like living in a society where I don't spend most of my life in pain or in *ubiquitous* danger of falling prey to a robbery or random knifing (there is always at least a minor risk, perhaps more and more so with immigration on the rise) or malnourished, where the rule of the law is (or was until recently) fairly consistent and predictable and where I can easily obtain medications that are not generally poisonous.

    On the other hand I am well aware that if the societies I care the most about and pay the most attention to (because of my nationality, my residence and my biological origins) - Britain, Ireland, France and the United States - have all changed drastically (in my opinion, for the worst and towards the end of the line) since I was a child in the 1980s, the reason is that the seeds of the final immolation were sown in successive and precedential waves long before, and FDR social-liberalism was but one of those waves.

    As far as Israel is concerned, maybe the soft-core yuppie liberalism is ultimately bad for traditional Judaism as well. I don't know; I suppose Jews will have to work *that* one out among themselves. But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more "traditional" those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.

    Prior to the advent of Zionism, Jews, on the whole, fared considerably better when living under Muslim rule than we did when living under Christian rule. Before the instigations of the Zionist usurpers of the name Israel* began, devout Jews got along quite well with Arab Muslims in the Holy Land . (*See below) In lifestyle, belief and practice, Islam is generally closer to traditional Judaism than Christianity.

    By no means is my intent in pointing-out any of these facts to attack Christians. I have no interest in doing that nor in harping on or wallowing in historic grievances. That there is much pain and ugliness in the relevant history is undeniable. But there are also many instances of peaceful coexistence and even of Christian tolerance and kindness, at times extraordinary, toward Jews.
     
    Yes, in fact what you are explaining here is not too far off from what I was referring to.


    The evangellyfish/Dan Crenshaw idiots singing the praises of Israel do so largely on theological grounds.
     
    Gratuitous and puerile name-calling only defaces the thread and degrades the discourse. The heat is increased, while the light is lessened. Stick to argument from facts and logic (and, perhaps, appeals to nobler instincts).
     
    I suppose I could have said, "Israel's evangelical amen corner à la Dan Crenshaw sing praises of the Jewish state largely on theological grounds." Maybe you think that would be a more effective or nobler way to put it. Certainly it's more "gentlemanly" but I am no gentleman. In fact, I'd even say it's a shame to miss the opportunity to mock someone where mockery is due. The man seems to think that the modern State of Israel is the divinely-ordained continuity of the Biblical Israel from which sprang Christ.

    I'll add that I try not to make fun of Jews outside of Israel for supporting Israel (unless they happen to support mass Third-World immigration into the West at the same time, as at least a few prominent ones apparently do). In one sense it's tempting to say not my people, not my business*. Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.

    *Except of course insofar as an Israel that supports my goals in my country and is accommodating to people "like me" is viscerally attractive. Maybe one key question is what kind of such Israel would be attractive to traditionally-minded Jews as well.

    Thank you very much for the detailed response. Much appreciated. Believe it or not (and I wouldn’t blame you for being skeptical), I had, upon further thought, actually suspected the explanation for the seeming contradiction might be along the very lines as the ones you articulated. Below, I respond to a few specific parts of your comment. Happy holiday*.

    But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.

    1.) It is not Judaism that is changing but Jews and how they relate to it. Non-Orthodox Jews, due to their high intermarriage rates and low fertility, are a rapidly vanishing species. At the same time, Orthodox Jews, with their high fertility and near-zero rate of intermarriage, are rapidly increasing in number.

    2.) You touch upon a certain irony. Theologically and even as far as political views goes, a traditionalist Christian should have more in common with an Orthodox Jew than with a secular Jew, certainly if an atheist one. Culturally, however, the reverse is probably more likely to be true in most cases–at least in so far as most so-called Ultra-Orthodox Jews* are concerned. I’m atypical, in no small part as a result of the fact that I was not raised Orthodox.
    (*For anyone reading this who may not have read my previous reply to nico, in it I noted and briefly explained my rejection of the term “Ultra-Orthodox”.)

    Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.

    “spurious eschatological fantasies” is just the characterization I would apply to the belief of certain Zionist Jews that their State represents, ushers in or hastens the beginning stage of the Messianic era (Askhalta D’geulah). Incidentally, I have been led to believe that Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.

    *As per my “no desire to play the Grinch” statement in my previous comment, I have absolutely no problem with other people wishing each other “Merry Christmas”. And contra Juliar Ioffe, were someone to earnestly and in goodwill (as opposed to in a taunting or spiteful manner) direct said greeting my way, I would respond graciously. I stop short, however, of invoking it myself.

    • Replies: @Nico

    Thank you very much for the detailed response. Much appreciated. Believe it or not (and I wouldn’t blame you for being skeptical), I had, upon further thought, actually suspected the explanation for the seeming contradiction might be along the very lines as the ones you articulated.
     
    You're quite welcome: one good turn deserves another. I did actually believe you were writing in good faith and that was what prompted me to attempt to respond in kind.


    But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.
     
    1.) It is not Judaism that is changing but Jews and how they relate to it.
     
    Yes, I agree. I didn't reread each bit very carefully and clearly where I wrote "Judaism" I think "world Jewry" would have made a lot more sense.

    “spurious eschatological fantasies” is just the characterization I would apply to the belief of certain Zionist Jews that their State represents, ushers in or hastens the beginning stage of the Messianic era (Askhalta D’geulah). Incidentally, I have been led to believe that Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.
     
    Certainly the green light for instigation of modern Zionism as a politically significant movement was the work of Christians, not Jews. That said, it's worth mentioning that the Jewish eye towards a return to the Holy Land was at least precipitated by the 16th-century campaign of Joseph Nasi, blessed by the Ottomans, to bring the Portuguese Jews to Cyprus and/or Palestine, and by the pretentions of Sabbatai Zevi.

    On the other hand, while Christian Zionism and premillennial eschatology are largely Protestant phenomena and have taken off as cultural phenomena only since the late 19th century or so, the theological reasoning which developed into the detailed prophetic template imagined in the Left Behind books actually had as its initial inspiration a proposition from the 16th century by the Jesuit (back when Jesuits had fangs) St. Robert Bellarmine about the last days and the end of the Church, involving a more literal interpretation of the Antichrist as a (then-rare if I have my theology right) post-Roman evil emperor reigning from Jerusalem.

    France had crowned herself the "Protector of Christians in the Middle East" and the British government was looking for a way to "balance out" France's ascendant power in the region. I have heard Balfour himself was an evangelical Christian whose Christian Zionism stemmed from a belief in something like premillennial eschatology. (I have also read that he was an anti-Semite hoping to relieve Europe of her Jewish population but I have my suspicions about the veracity and even the pertinence of this information: the sources I have heard that from are not particularly reliable and to the extent that they quote Balfour himself they interpret his words in the most reaching and most antagonistic fashion possible.)

    In any event, whatever the theological meanings some may graft onto it, my own view is that Zionism for Jewish Zionists is explained by a sociopsychological phenomenon which comes down, like all modern nationalisms (to which it is contemporaneous), to the desire to *belong* to a common and familiar demos on a common and familiar land, and a sensation of being in one or another sense "under siege" either from the outside or by a Fifth Column.


    As per my “no desire to play the Grinch” statement in my previous comment, I have absolutely no problem with other people wishing each other “Merry Christmas”. And contra Juliar Ioffe, were someone to earnestly and in goodwill (as opposed to in a taunting or spiteful manner) direct said greeting my way, I would respond graciously. I stop short, however, of invoking it myself.
     
    Julia Ioffe isn't so much a Grinch as she is a professional ill-will-seeker. No one is at all shocked that someone who doesn't celebrate Christmas doesn't say "Merry Christmas"... but considering she actually celebrates Christmas herself, to the extent I can deduce she wants anything she wants to cleanse the relics of a Christian holiday from the "mainstream" public sphere.

    So Merry Christmas (belated), happy new year and happy Epiphany. :)

  336. @Ano
    Damn it, Bill de Blasio only just recently had to paper over cracks appearing in the Jew-Negro get-whitey coalition in NYC by putting the blame on Adolf Trumpler, and now another crack appears!
    Damn, damn, damn!

    Poor Mayor Bill.

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/13/blacks-attack-hasidim-brooklyn-deblasio-blames-trump-white-supremacy/

    Time for another press conference I guess.

    deblasio has the fugliest kids I have ever seen. That boy of his looks like the missing link.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  337. @bomag

    The black student barged into the meeting and berated the girl and her counselors...
     
    Hmmm. Counselor-client privilege is kind of a sacred thing; I'd sure like the license to barge in on a few choice sessions of my choosing.

    "It's good to be king" says the student of proper color, barging wherever he/she/it wants without consequence.

    When it comes to crimes against YT, there is entitlement for blacks. Like the Florida 60 yoa YT who shot that spook in the convenience store PL. The old white man was arguing with a sheboon over a parking spot. Tyrone (1/2 his age, twice his size) attacked as soon as he exited the store. Entitled.

    Of course YT stood his ground as is the law. But, jooish subversion kicked in and YT was imprisoned.
    The entitlement of a sheboon to eavesdrop in a confidential meeting and barge in is not surprising.

  338. So it’s ok to be ANTI-WHITE as long as Jews aren’t mistaken for being white? ?

  339. @Dissident
    Thank you very much for the detailed response. Much appreciated. Believe it or not (and I wouldn't blame you for being skeptical), I had, upon further thought, actually suspected the explanation for the seeming contradiction might be along the very lines as the ones you articulated. Below, I respond to a few specific parts of your comment. Happy holiday*.

    But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.
     
    1.) It is not Judaism that is changing but Jews and how they relate to it. Non-Orthodox Jews, due to their high intermarriage rates and low fertility, are a rapidly vanishing species. At the same time, Orthodox Jews, with their high fertility and near-zero rate of intermarriage, are rapidly increasing in number.

    2.) You touch upon a certain irony. Theologically and even as far as political views goes, a traditionalist Christian should have more in common with an Orthodox Jew than with a secular Jew, certainly if an atheist one. Culturally, however, the reverse is probably more likely to be true in most cases--at least in so far as most so-called Ultra-Orthodox Jews* are concerned. I'm atypical, in no small part as a result of the fact that I was not raised Orthodox.
    (*For anyone reading this who may not have read my previous reply to nico, in it I noted and briefly explained my rejection of the term "Ultra-Orthodox".)


    Fellow Christians with spurious eschatological fantasies, on the other hand, are a very tempting target for me.
     
    "spurious eschatological fantasies" is just the characterization I would apply to the belief of certain Zionist Jews that their State represents, ushers in or hastens the beginning stage of the Messianic era (Askhalta D'geulah). Incidentally, I have been led to believe that Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.

    *As per my "no desire to play the Grinch" statement in my previous comment, I have absolutely no problem with other people wishing each other "Merry Christmas". And contra Juliar Ioffe, were someone to earnestly and in goodwill (as opposed to in a taunting or spiteful manner) direct said greeting my way, I would respond graciously. I stop short, however, of invoking it myself.

    Thank you very much for the detailed response. Much appreciated. Believe it or not (and I wouldn’t blame you for being skeptical), I had, upon further thought, actually suspected the explanation for the seeming contradiction might be along the very lines as the ones you articulated.

    You’re quite welcome: one good turn deserves another. I did actually believe you were writing in good faith and that was what prompted me to attempt to respond in kind.

    But as you hint below there is always the possibility that as Judaism becomes more “traditional” those communities and societies built around it will be less and less familiar to my gentile Christian self.

    1.) It is not Judaism that is changing but Jews and how they relate to it.

    Yes, I agree. I didn’t reread each bit very carefully and clearly where I wrote “Judaism” I think “world Jewry” would have made a lot more sense.

    “spurious eschatological fantasies” is just the characterization I would apply to the belief of certain Zionist Jews that their State represents, ushers in or hastens the beginning stage of the Messianic era (Askhalta D’geulah). Incidentally, I have been led to believe that Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.

    Certainly the green light for instigation of modern Zionism as a politically significant movement was the work of Christians, not Jews. That said, it’s worth mentioning that the Jewish eye towards a return to the Holy Land was at least precipitated by the 16th-century campaign of Joseph Nasi, blessed by the Ottomans, to bring the Portuguese Jews to Cyprus and/or Palestine, and by the pretentions of Sabbatai Zevi.

    On the other hand, while Christian Zionism and premillennial eschatology are largely Protestant phenomena and have taken off as cultural phenomena only since the late 19th century or so, the theological reasoning which developed into the detailed prophetic template imagined in the Left Behind books actually had as its initial inspiration a proposition from the 16th century by the Jesuit (back when Jesuits had fangs) St. Robert Bellarmine about the last days and the end of the Church, involving a more literal interpretation of the Antichrist as a (then-rare if I have my theology right) post-Roman evil emperor reigning from Jerusalem.

    France had crowned herself the “Protector of Christians in the Middle East” and the British government was looking for a way to “balance out” France’s ascendant power in the region. I have heard Balfour himself was an evangelical Christian whose Christian Zionism stemmed from a belief in something like premillennial eschatology. (I have also read that he was an anti-Semite hoping to relieve Europe of her Jewish population but I have my suspicions about the veracity and even the pertinence of this information: the sources I have heard that from are not particularly reliable and to the extent that they quote Balfour himself they interpret his words in the most reaching and most antagonistic fashion possible.)

    In any event, whatever the theological meanings some may graft onto it, my own view is that Zionism for Jewish Zionists is explained by a sociopsychological phenomenon which comes down, like all modern nationalisms (to which it is contemporaneous), to the desire to *belong* to a common and familiar demos on a common and familiar land, and a sensation of being in one or another sense “under siege” either from the outside or by a Fifth Column.

    As per my “no desire to play the Grinch” statement in my previous comment, I have absolutely no problem with other people wishing each other “Merry Christmas”. And contra Juliar Ioffe, were someone to earnestly and in goodwill (as opposed to in a taunting or spiteful manner) direct said greeting my way, I would respond graciously. I stop short, however, of invoking it myself.

    Julia Ioffe isn’t so much a Grinch as she is a professional ill-will-seeker. No one is at all shocked that someone who doesn’t celebrate Christmas doesn’t say “Merry Christmas”… but considering she actually celebrates Christmas herself, to the extent I can deduce she wants anything she wants to cleanse the relics of a Christian holiday from the “mainstream” public sphere.

    So Merry Christmas (belated), happy new year and happy Epiphany. 🙂

    • Thanks: Dissident

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