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Back in 2019 I blogged:

Is Carranza in Over His Head in NYC Public School Snakepit?

STEVE SAILER • MAY 28, 2019 • 600 WORDS • 134 COMMENTS

Mayor De Blasio’s education supremo Richard Carranza, whom the New York Post is out to get for his Hate Whitey SJW indoctrination struggle sessions, is a genuine mariachi-playing Chicano from the Southwest. I’ve long felt he may be in over his head in the snakepit that is the New York City public school system.

New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.

… On the other hand, Carranza has the winds of the zeitgeist at his back in mandating Intersectional True Believerism, so I shall follow his future career with interest.

… Carranza literally spells out the underlying logic of the Conventional Wisdom:

The racial test score gaps demonstrate that either:

The Bell Curve is right, or
White people are the Root of All Evil.

Pick one!

Is that too blatant for the Current Year, or is Carranza the accelerationist that was inevitably going to arrive?

From the New York Times today:

N.Y.C. Schools Chief to Resign After Clashes Over Desegregation

Richard Carranza’s departure, planned for mid-March, comes after repeated clashes with Mayor Bill de Blasio over how to desegregate the city’s schools.

 
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  1. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Carranza’s ouster is bad news for iSteve fans and other core Americans.

    New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.

    The only way to fight back against the anti-White powers that be is to force them to internalize some of the costs of their destructive, and often malicious, policies. That means forcing the ruling class and their offspring to experience real desegregation.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Anonymous


    That means forcing the ruling class and their offspring to experience real desegregation.
     
    Never happen. The Ruling Class will permit themselves and their progeny to experience carefully-curated Magic Negro contacts here and there, much like on TV. The better to keep their actual prejudices fully intact. But for the rest of us?

    https://i.ibb.co/Lt3tv8Q/diversity.jpg


    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.
     
    Pro tip for attorneys bringing $40 million race-grievance lawsuits against black people. Make your claims a little bit credible.

    Pro tip for women bringing these same actions as principals: skip the part about "Doesn't this lawsuit make me look hot?"

    , @Irish Savant
    @Anonymous

    Will never happen. Deseg is strictly for the plebs.

  2. New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.

    A) Desegregation is for pickup driving oppressor people in Pigsknuckle Arkansas, not for the oppressed chosen people in New York City.

    B) He ain’t black.

  3. It’s amazing that DeBlasio finally found someone more Leftist than he is. I didn’t think that was possible. Carranza’s replacement is a black woman so it’s not like the ancient regime has been restored.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Jack D

    "Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism."

    Plus:


    NY educator says she was fired for not doing ‘Black Panther’ salute.

    Rafaela Espinal, a veteran Bronx educator, claims that her job was terminated when she refused to imitate the salute from the 2018 Marvel movie Black Panther during superintendent meetings.

    According to the New York Post, then-Bronx superintendent Meisha Ross Porter expected attendees at the meetings for high-level Department of Education bosses to perform the arms-crossed-over-chest gesture of solidarity that was made famous by the comic-book movie.

    Espinal, a Dominican-American who identifies as Afro-Latina, claims that when she didn’t mimic the “Wakanda Forever” salute along with her peers, she “was admonished and told that it was inappropriate for her not to participate,” according to a Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit filed Feb. 3 against the city DOE.

    Lawyers for Espinal said the long-time educator was repeatedly asked to salute Wakanda, and she felt the symbolic gesture “introduced a racial divide where there should be none.”

    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.

    https://thegrio.com/2021/02/21/ny-educator-fired-black-panther-salute/
     
    https://twitter.com/MeishaPorter/status/987416673262211072

    Replies: @Polistra, @Pericles

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It’s amazing that DeBlasio finally found someone more Leftist than he is.

    I'll wager it's something trivial / personal, like he said something at dinner that got Chirlaine McCray's nose out of joint.

  4. ‘Richard Carranza’s departure, planned for mid-March, comes after repeated clashes with Mayor Bill de Blasio over how to desegregate the city’s schools.’

    I assume Carranza was silly enough to want to literally do it, while de Blasio wasn’t quite that stupid.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Colin Wright

    The problem or challenge to desegregate NYC schools it that there aren't enough white students.

    As of 2018, non-Hispanic whites, at 15%, were behind Asians, at 16%. What does "desegregation" mean when whites are 15% of the students??

    Clearly, the "issue" of desegregation is a distraction from policies the mayor or education blob wants to slip under the radar.

    Treating students as so many different colored widgets to be allocated by proportional quota is what the woke-prog-left defines as equality/equity these days. Is it any wonder we're moving to white flight 2.0?

  5. Mr. Carranza has consistently said he wanted the test abandoned altogether, and that the city’s gifted program is fundamentally flawed and unfair. White and Asian-American students make up about 75 percent of the city’s gifted offerings, whereas Black and Latino children make up about 70 percent of the overall district.

    Have to give the nod to Carranza here. He’s right. It is unfair.

    There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it.

    The following paragraph:

    The city will not give the test this year, but only because an education panel that typically acts as a rubber stamp for City Hall took the extremely rare step of rejecting Mr. de Blasio’s plan to offer it. The city will instead create a lottery system for young children who are recommended by their pre-Kindergarten teachers or who sit for a short interview.

    drives home the point. Anytime you say “lottery” … you’re giving away the game: A bunch of kids/parents want to have educational program X, but you are giving it to some not others.

    Why?

    The public schools system–especially the NYC system!–is well funded. Simply clone the desired program and deliver it to as many kids as want it.

    AnotherDad can not solve every contentious problem (most, but not all). But i can solve this one:

    Give NYC parents a voucher for the education of every NYC kid. Then the parents can select precisely the educational program that the desire!

    There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, neither black nor white, neither male nor female … for all of you get the same darn voucher.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
    • Replies: @Elsewhere
    @AnotherDad

    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    Nah, as the man said right there in his handle, Abolish_public_education. That's the real solution.

    , @frontier
    @AnotherDad


    There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good.
     
    With educators like this, little wonder the country is in the sewer. Education is most definitely a scarce good! Any service is a scarce good when real money is being payed for it.

    We have to educate parents and get their kids out of public education concentration camps. The alternative is to continue to churn out pumpkins who think there's unlimited supply of education and other people are obliged to give them what their parents desire. Or the other kind of vegetables who want to allocate other people's money according to whatever metric they hallucinate.

    The only sane approach to education is competing private schools, less regulation, more transparency, less barriers of entry, stop government spending on schools and redirect it to research and publishing. If everything is in order, private funds are going to take care of gifted children.

  6. @Jack D
    It's amazing that DeBlasio finally found someone more Leftist than he is. I didn't think that was possible. Carranza's replacement is a black woman so it's not like the ancient regime has been restored.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Art Deco

    “Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism.”

    Plus:

    NY educator says she was fired for not doing ‘Black Panther’ salute.

    Rafaela Espinal, a veteran Bronx educator, claims that her job was terminated when she refused to imitate the salute from the 2018 Marvel movie Black Panther during superintendent meetings.

    According to the New York Post, then-Bronx superintendent Meisha Ross Porter expected attendees at the meetings for high-level Department of Education bosses to perform the arms-crossed-over-chest gesture of solidarity that was made famous by the comic-book movie.

    Espinal, a Dominican-American who identifies as Afro-Latina, claims that when she didn’t mimic the “Wakanda Forever” salute along with her peers, she “was admonished and told that it was inappropriate for her not to participate,” according to a Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit filed Feb. 3 against the city DOE.

    Lawyers for Espinal said the long-time educator was repeatedly asked to salute Wakanda, and she felt the symbolic gesture “introduced a racial divide where there should be none.”

    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.

    https://thegrio.com/2021/02/21/ny-educator-fired-black-panther-salute/

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @CCZ


    “Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism.”
     
    It seems that they called her a black woman at least three times in that sentence.
    , @Pericles
    @CCZ

    Lol, fired for not saluting a comic book.

  7. • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Escape from NY

    So Carranza was a nutty leftist ideologue, while Porter is a pragmatic conartist!

    , @Rohirrimborn
    @Escape from NY

    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

  8. @AnotherDad

    Mr. Carranza has consistently said he wanted the test abandoned altogether, and that the city’s gifted program is fundamentally flawed and unfair. White and Asian-American students make up about 75 percent of the city’s gifted offerings, whereas Black and Latino children make up about 70 percent of the overall district.
     
    Have to give the nod to Carranza here. He's right. It is unfair.

    There's no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it.

    The following paragraph:


    The city will not give the test this year, but only because an education panel that typically acts as a rubber stamp for City Hall took the extremely rare step of rejecting Mr. de Blasio’s plan to offer it. The city will instead create a lottery system for young children who are recommended by their pre-Kindergarten teachers or who sit for a short interview.
     
    drives home the point. Anytime you say "lottery" ... you're giving away the game: A bunch of kids/parents want to have educational program X, but you are giving it to some not others.

    Why?

    The public schools system--especially the NYC system!--is well funded. Simply clone the desired program and deliver it to as many kids as want it.


    AnotherDad can not solve every contentious problem (most, but not all). But i can solve this one:

    Give NYC parents a voucher for the education of every NYC kid. Then the parents can select precisely the educational program that the desire!

    There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, neither black nor white, neither male nor female ... for all of you get the same darn voucher.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @Achmed E. Newman, @frontier

    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Elsewhere


    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.
     
    Advantage to whom?

    The rich only get richer, while avoiding the costs of their political agenda.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  9. New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white people who will be counted as white but who don’t feel white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.

    Fixed that for you.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • LOL: Gordo
  10. This is an unfortunate development. Any enemy of bourgeois Goodwhites is an ally of mine (and an ally of yours too). I hope that his successor will be more engaged and competent in thoroughly desegregating the charter schools. This would put a stake through the heart of the Goodwhite New York City experience. Such a move would be devastating. And the successor can ignore the competitive entry exam schools. 80% of the students in these schools are Asian. Goodwhites are the enemy. They must hurt.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    @Daniel H

    Any enemy of bourgeois Goodwhites is an ally of mine

    That is absolutely correct. One AOC will help Whites develop racial solidarity faster than a hundred GoodWhite virtue-signalers like Mitt Romneys. And the demographic timebomb is ominously ticking.

  11. New York City is the most savagely segregated city I’ve been to in the U.S. In Manhattan and large parts of Brooklyn, there are the white and Asian white collar workers and then there are the black service workers. Boston isn’t like this, Michigan isn’t like this, the South isn’t like this.

  12. New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country

    Let’s say that’s true. Is being smart really the key to understanding their behavior? Aren’t they just morally bankrupt? I mean, pushing one set of rule for everyone else but then working a side deal for yourself is something I’ve seen plenty of dumb people do.

    I think the key to understanding them isn’t their supposed sky high IQs, but rather their sociopathy, criminal nature, sleaziness, disloyalty … things like that.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @RichardTaylor

    "Is being smart really the key to understanding their behavior? Aren’t they just morally bankrupt?"

    Any reason why it can't be both? People who are stupid and amoral are a lot less threatening than people who are intelligent and amoral.

  13. It seems that Asians vote Democrat and all that is now entailing but don’t want what that all entails now as they go nuts with their equity programs. Asians want equity if it means that they can game the system to their own advantage of course. Well obviously. But extra school and test prepping for little Hung Lo or rather in America Brandon Hung Lo as part of their culture gives them an advantage that they don’t want to have to give up.
    I guess Hung Lo’s parents don’t want him going to school with D’Marcus Jones and A’ysha Savage. Nor Taco Hernandez. Gee I wonder why?

    • LOL: Irish Savant
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stonewall Jackson

    Copious think-tank whitepapers over the last decade puzzling over Asians (E/S) assimilating to the left. 2020 twist was the "surprise" failure of Sun Belt Hispanics to keep up with them.

    Another "trend" saying less about any ethnic interest group than about the dynamics of being a current-year liberal.

  14. @Escape from NY
    Buckle up....

    https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/who-is-the-new-nyc-schools-chancellor-meisha-ross-porter/

    https://www.rt.com/usa/516728-nyc-promotes-wakanda-superintendent/

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Rohirrimborn

    So Carranza was a nutty leftist ideologue, while Porter is a pragmatic conartist!

    • Agree: ic1000
  15. I like how they say “clashes over desegregation” as if DeBlasio was another George Wallace.

  16. @CCZ
    @Jack D

    "Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism."

    Plus:


    NY educator says she was fired for not doing ‘Black Panther’ salute.

    Rafaela Espinal, a veteran Bronx educator, claims that her job was terminated when she refused to imitate the salute from the 2018 Marvel movie Black Panther during superintendent meetings.

    According to the New York Post, then-Bronx superintendent Meisha Ross Porter expected attendees at the meetings for high-level Department of Education bosses to perform the arms-crossed-over-chest gesture of solidarity that was made famous by the comic-book movie.

    Espinal, a Dominican-American who identifies as Afro-Latina, claims that when she didn’t mimic the “Wakanda Forever” salute along with her peers, she “was admonished and told that it was inappropriate for her not to participate,” according to a Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit filed Feb. 3 against the city DOE.

    Lawyers for Espinal said the long-time educator was repeatedly asked to salute Wakanda, and she felt the symbolic gesture “introduced a racial divide where there should be none.”

    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.

    https://thegrio.com/2021/02/21/ny-educator-fired-black-panther-salute/
     
    https://twitter.com/MeishaPorter/status/987416673262211072

    Replies: @Polistra, @Pericles

    “Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism.”

    It seems that they called her a black woman at least three times in that sentence.

    • LOL: Gary in Gramercy
  17. A future scholastic textbook salesman.

    Regarding the textbooks “sold” to the public schools:

    The committee-members chosen to select the district’s official textbooks are complete idiots.

    ALL the non-AP math and science books are complete junk.

    Any textbook that claims to be Common Core compliant is junk. (Whatever happened to that fad?)

    Any textbook that claims to meet California standards is junk.

    [MORE]

    I’ve examined some CA-approved science texts. They’ll use several four-color pages — complete with graphics, cartoons, whatever — to present a concept that can be expressed in one simple equation. By the time the reader has reached the end of the section, he can’t even identify the topic that was supposedly under discussion.

    I’m sure the recent editions have lengthy chapters devoted to man-made climate change.

  18. @Anonymous
    Carranza’s ouster is bad news for iSteve fans and other core Americans.

    New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.
     
    The only way to fight back against the anti-White powers that be is to force them to internalize some of the costs of their destructive, and often malicious, policies. That means forcing the ruling class and their offspring to experience real desegregation.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Irish Savant

    That means forcing the ruling class and their offspring to experience real desegregation.

    Never happen. The Ruling Class will permit themselves and their progeny to experience carefully-curated Magic Negro contacts here and there, much like on TV. The better to keep their actual prejudices fully intact. But for the rest of us?

    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.

    Pro tip for attorneys bringing $40 million race-grievance lawsuits against black people. Make your claims a little bit credible.

    Pro tip for women bringing these same actions as principals: skip the part about “Doesn’t this lawsuit make me look hot?”

  19. @Stonewall Jackson
    It seems that Asians vote Democrat and all that is now entailing but don't want what that all entails now as they go nuts with their equity programs. Asians want equity if it means that they can game the system to their own advantage of course. Well obviously. But extra school and test prepping for little Hung Lo or rather in America Brandon Hung Lo as part of their culture gives them an advantage that they don't want to have to give up.
    I guess Hung Lo's parents don't want him going to school with D'Marcus Jones and A'ysha Savage. Nor Taco Hernandez. Gee I wonder why?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Copious think-tank whitepapers over the last decade puzzling over Asians (E/S) assimilating to the left. 2020 twist was the “surprise” failure of Sun Belt Hispanics to keep up with them.

    Another “trend” saying less about any ethnic interest group than about the dynamics of being a current-year liberal.

  20. Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses. If I were hiring a school superintendent — anywhere — I would simply ask whether this Picasso principle applies to the curriculum he plans to implement. (And if he replies “we could have a conversation about that” or “I consider everything “ then I know he is Jen Psaki or a Biden nominee in disguise, and I politely show him the door.)

    • Agree: Cortes
  21. “There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it.”

    There are many good reasons that contradict your assertion. The average black IQ is 85; the average White gentile IQ is 100; the average Northeast Asian IQ is 105-108; the average Ashkenazi IQ is 112-114. The kids typically admitted to schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science on merit would all have IQs of over 130.

    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.

    • Agree: Macumazahn
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Nicholas Stix

    The foregoing comment was in response to:

    AnotherDad says (#5):
    February 27, 2021 at 4:06 am GMT • 2.2 hours ago • 300 Words ↑

    , @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix


    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.
     
    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    , @Alice in Wonderland
    @Nicholas Stix

    "It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140. "

    Nah, It is actually really easy to do. The kids attend the same school but not the same classes. So, they test students to get into a program which exists on the same campus. It is just tracking. Also, music, drama classes, etc., don't require students to test in which improves the desegregation optics.

  22. @Nicholas Stix
    "There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it."

    There are many good reasons that contradict your assertion. The average black IQ is 85; the average White gentile IQ is 100; the average Northeast Asian IQ is 105-108; the average Ashkenazi IQ is 112-114. The kids typically admitted to schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science on merit would all have IQs of over 130.

    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same "right" to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Anonymous, @Alice in Wonderland

    The foregoing comment was in response to:

    AnotherDad says (#5):
    February 27, 2021 at 4:06 am GMT • 2.2 hours ago • 300 Words ↑

  23. Who rules?

    Black people.

    Who does not?

    White people. Thus it is inevitable that sooner or later all the schools in NYC will be run to make people less White. Be Less Whites. And for the benefit of 75 IQ black people. Who rule and rule over NYC.

    • Agree: Alden
  24. @Elsewhere
    @AnotherDad

    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

    Advantage to whom?

    The rich only get richer, while avoiding the costs of their political agenda.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous



    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

     

    Advantage to whom?

    The rich only get richer, while avoiding the costs of their political agenda.

     

    Then it should be called "grifted education".
  25. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicholas Stix
    "There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it."

    There are many good reasons that contradict your assertion. The average black IQ is 85; the average White gentile IQ is 100; the average Northeast Asian IQ is 105-108; the average Ashkenazi IQ is 112-114. The kids typically admitted to schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science on merit would all have IQs of over 130.

    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same "right" to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Anonymous, @Alice in Wonderland

    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous


    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring.
     
    Whaaa? The damn taxpayers are paying for all of this, those without kids, those with kids in private schools to keep them away from the blacks, and those with lots of kids, many getting 2 free meals a day off the taxpayers, even during the worst of the Kung Flu panic - delivered to the high school ahead of time, 21 meals a week!

    Have you ever looked at your property tax bill on your house or cars? You're paying too.

    ABOLISH GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS!!
    , @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are privileged people in New York - which is to say people who can pull strings to receive benefits not ordinarily distributed, benefits that would ordinarily be distributed by impersonal sorting methods, and benefits at concessionary prices. Few affluent people really have pull. The school's berths were sorted by performance scores. Parents with children who score well on screening tests are fortunate parents, not privileged parents.

    The whole point of public schooling is to socialize costs, so that every person receives some baseline of educational services. Everyone's property and sales taxes are in a pot paying for everyone else. Affluent parents are cross-subsidizing impecunious parents.

    If you don't track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others. You have a critical mass of one or the other and you can set up a separate school for just those in a given track.


    Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are about 1.8 million working engineers in this country, over 600,000 physicians and surgeons, and about 500,000 other professionals in the medical arts (e.g. dentists, pharmacists, physical therapists, audiologists). There are also 800,000 natural scientists working outside of academe. There are about 650,000 working lawyers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Abolish_public_education

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    You clearly know nothing about the schools in question. They are dominated by impoverished and lower-middle-class, Northeast Asians, very few of whom are rent-seekers.

  26. @Escape from NY
    Buckle up....

    https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/who-is-the-new-nyc-schools-chancellor-meisha-ross-porter/

    https://www.rt.com/usa/516728-nyc-promotes-wakanda-superintendent/

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Rohirrimborn

    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rohirrimborn


    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

     

    Or Rachel Dolezal with less of one.
    , @Father O'Hara
    @Rohirrimborn

    Well at least we know she didnt sleep her way to the top.

  27. @RichardTaylor

    New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country
     
    Let's say that's true. Is being smart really the key to understanding their behavior? Aren't they just morally bankrupt? I mean, pushing one set of rule for everyone else but then working a side deal for yourself is something I've seen plenty of dumb people do.

    I think the key to understanding them isn't their supposed sky high IQs, but rather their sociopathy, criminal nature, sleaziness, disloyalty ... things like that.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Is being smart really the key to understanding their behavior? Aren’t they just morally bankrupt?”

    Any reason why it can’t be both? People who are stupid and amoral are a lot less threatening than people who are intelligent and amoral.

  28. @AnotherDad

    Mr. Carranza has consistently said he wanted the test abandoned altogether, and that the city’s gifted program is fundamentally flawed and unfair. White and Asian-American students make up about 75 percent of the city’s gifted offerings, whereas Black and Latino children make up about 70 percent of the overall district.
     
    Have to give the nod to Carranza here. He's right. It is unfair.

    There's no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it.

    The following paragraph:


    The city will not give the test this year, but only because an education panel that typically acts as a rubber stamp for City Hall took the extremely rare step of rejecting Mr. de Blasio’s plan to offer it. The city will instead create a lottery system for young children who are recommended by their pre-Kindergarten teachers or who sit for a short interview.
     
    drives home the point. Anytime you say "lottery" ... you're giving away the game: A bunch of kids/parents want to have educational program X, but you are giving it to some not others.

    Why?

    The public schools system--especially the NYC system!--is well funded. Simply clone the desired program and deliver it to as many kids as want it.


    AnotherDad can not solve every contentious problem (most, but not all). But i can solve this one:

    Give NYC parents a voucher for the education of every NYC kid. Then the parents can select precisely the educational program that the desire!

    There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, neither black nor white, neither male nor female ... for all of you get the same darn voucher.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @Achmed E. Newman, @frontier

    Nah, as the man said right there in his handle, Abolish_public_education. That’s the real solution.

  29. @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix


    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.
     
    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring.

    Whaaa? The damn taxpayers are paying for all of this, those without kids, those with kids in private schools to keep them away from the blacks, and those with lots of kids, many getting 2 free meals a day off the taxpayers, even during the worst of the Kung Flu panic – delivered to the high school ahead of time, 21 meals a week!

    Have you ever looked at your property tax bill on your house or cars? You’re paying too.

    ABOLISH GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS!!

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  30. @Jack D
    It's amazing that DeBlasio finally found someone more Leftist than he is. I didn't think that was possible. Carranza's replacement is a black woman so it's not like the ancient regime has been restored.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Art Deco

    It’s amazing that DeBlasio finally found someone more Leftist than he is.

    I’ll wager it’s something trivial / personal, like he said something at dinner that got Chirlaine McCray’s nose out of joint.

  31. @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix


    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.
     
    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are privileged people in New York – which is to say people who can pull strings to receive benefits not ordinarily distributed, benefits that would ordinarily be distributed by impersonal sorting methods, and benefits at concessionary prices. Few affluent people really have pull. The school’s berths were sorted by performance scores. Parents with children who score well on screening tests are fortunate parents, not privileged parents.

    The whole point of public schooling is to socialize costs, so that every person receives some baseline of educational services. Everyone’s property and sales taxes are in a pot paying for everyone else. Affluent parents are cross-subsidizing impecunious parents.

    If you don’t track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others. You have a critical mass of one or the other and you can set up a separate school for just those in a given track.

    Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are about 1.8 million working engineers in this country, over 600,000 physicians and surgeons, and about 500,000 other professionals in the medical arts (e.g. dentists, pharmacists, physical therapists, audiologists). There are also 800,000 natural scientists working outside of academe. There are about 650,000 working lawyers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    If you don’t track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others.
     
    Tracking is considered no big deal in the racially-divided South, part of nature. In more homogeneous (and naturally egalitarian) states, it is far more threatening. In Minnesota, what tracking there was in Al Gore's Goals 2000 was treated as the second coming of Communism. If not a Prussian invasion.

    Diversity affects everything.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Art Deco

    .. every person receives some baseline of educational services ..

    Not “every” person. Initially, public education was limited to hopelessly impoverished Whites; the “free” part meant non-slaves, not “tuition”-free. Maybe around 1% of kids. (It was anticipated that non-poor would continue to use private schools, e.g. the little red schoolhouse.)

    Traditionally, that “baseline” consisted of the 3Rs, e.g. sufficient to enable the future voter to read the names on a ballot; done by ~8th grade; 90 school days per year. (Kids are now compelled to attend school til 10th grade or so, @180 d/y. They still can’t read.)

    As for the “socialized” cost of service, public education was sold, to a gullible voting public, with the promise that the burden would almost-certainly never (see below) cost taxpayers a dime: Money from sale of public lands was set side, in tax-free, interest bearing, perpetual trust to forevermore pay the cost of educating the destitute.

    The future out-of-pocket exception would occur if for some reason, e.g. embezzlement, the amount held in trust (the real baseline!) dropped below the opening balance.

    Confidential to #29 (AchENewman): Abolishment forces an immediate 50% reduction in property tax bills. Otherwise, the crooked politicians will just reallocate the tax money++ somewhere else.

    As for how to payoff school bonds, the bondholders can foreclose, for all I care, or even be given nothing at all.

  32. @Anonymous
    @Elsewhere


    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.
     
    Advantage to whom?

    The rich only get richer, while avoiding the costs of their political agenda.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps the main advantage of gifted education program is segregation, by intelligence.

    Advantage to whom?

    The rich only get richer, while avoiding the costs of their political agenda.

    Then it should be called “grifted education”.

  33. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are privileged people in New York - which is to say people who can pull strings to receive benefits not ordinarily distributed, benefits that would ordinarily be distributed by impersonal sorting methods, and benefits at concessionary prices. Few affluent people really have pull. The school's berths were sorted by performance scores. Parents with children who score well on screening tests are fortunate parents, not privileged parents.

    The whole point of public schooling is to socialize costs, so that every person receives some baseline of educational services. Everyone's property and sales taxes are in a pot paying for everyone else. Affluent parents are cross-subsidizing impecunious parents.

    If you don't track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others. You have a critical mass of one or the other and you can set up a separate school for just those in a given track.


    Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are about 1.8 million working engineers in this country, over 600,000 physicians and surgeons, and about 500,000 other professionals in the medical arts (e.g. dentists, pharmacists, physical therapists, audiologists). There are also 800,000 natural scientists working outside of academe. There are about 650,000 working lawyers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Abolish_public_education

    If you don’t track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others.

    Tracking is considered no big deal in the racially-divided South, part of nature. In more homogeneous (and naturally egalitarian) states, it is far more threatening. In Minnesota, what tracking there was in Al Gore’s Goals 2000 was treated as the second coming of Communism. If not a Prussian invasion.

    Diversity affects everything.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know what they are doing now, but when I went to a public HS in the '70s in a mostly blue collar white NJ town, tracking after the 6th grade was considered completely normal and non-controversial. You weren't going to teach calculus to the vocational guys in the same classroom as the college track people. It made complete sense to me. I really can't understand how it could be done any other way. Since almost everyone was white, there was no notion that the lower track people were being discriminated against. As you say, race colors everything.

    We all had the same teachers but they would present the material differently to the the different tracks and proceed at a different speed. Votech guys still needed to learn fractions and geometry, etc. but at a more practical level. Probably on a day to day basis they needed to use math more than most of the college track people but at a different level. It wouldn't have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom. I suppose that nowadays in the "everyone goes to college" era it may be different.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  34. @Rohirrimborn
    @Escape from NY

    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

    Or Rachel Dolezal with less of one.

  35. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    If you don’t track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others.
     
    Tracking is considered no big deal in the racially-divided South, part of nature. In more homogeneous (and naturally egalitarian) states, it is far more threatening. In Minnesota, what tracking there was in Al Gore's Goals 2000 was treated as the second coming of Communism. If not a Prussian invasion.

    Diversity affects everything.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t know what they are doing now, but when I went to a public HS in the ’70s in a mostly blue collar white NJ town, tracking after the 6th grade was considered completely normal and non-controversial. You weren’t going to teach calculus to the vocational guys in the same classroom as the college track people. It made complete sense to me. I really can’t understand how it could be done any other way. Since almost everyone was white, there was no notion that the lower track people were being discriminated against. As you say, race colors everything.

    We all had the same teachers but they would present the material differently to the the different tracks and proceed at a different speed. Votech guys still needed to learn fractions and geometry, etc. but at a more practical level. Probably on a day to day basis they needed to use math more than most of the college track people but at a different level. It wouldn’t have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom. I suppose that nowadays in the “everyone goes to college” era it may be different.

    • Agree: CCZ
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    It wouldn’t have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom.
     
    In Lake Wobegon, every child is above average. Compared to the bottom rung of states (which now includes California), this may even be true.

    I suppose that nowadays in the “everyone goes to college” era it may be different.
     
    Everyone has to go to college. To get into the class that is screwing over those who don't go to college. It's not ambition, it's survival.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  36. This replacement honcho, Meisha Ross Porter, is probably just a lame duck fill-in, as next year’s new mayor will want their own nutjob for the job. But who will that new mayor be?

    When the schools post has come open in the past, NYC has been able to attract candidates nationwide — but with the city such a giant mess right now, will anyone even slightly qualified want to come in and try to right this sinking ship?

  37. I’d like to chalk this up as a victory, but I’m more concerned about his black successor, at this point. She may be better than him, but who knows. However, it’s good when radical voices from the left are chased out of power for being too radical (if, in fact, that’s what happened in this case. Some reports say he’s grieving over a bunch of family members who died from covid.)

  38. Richard Carranza spent years smearing white people, blaming them for every single problem in the system he controlled and operated. He turned his entire bureaucracy on white people, including the white people in the bureaucracy. Any pushback was greeted with the most vile dirty rhetoric which the media dutifully backed him on.

    This is how all political discourse is going to go in this country in a very short amount of time. It’s Richard Carranza’s world and we’re just living in it.

  39. @CCZ
    @Jack D

    "Meisha Ross Porter is making history as the first-ever Black woman to be named New York City’s schools chancellor — but her selection comes despite a track record that includes self-congratulatory celebrations and charges of favoritism."

    Plus:


    NY educator says she was fired for not doing ‘Black Panther’ salute.

    Rafaela Espinal, a veteran Bronx educator, claims that her job was terminated when she refused to imitate the salute from the 2018 Marvel movie Black Panther during superintendent meetings.

    According to the New York Post, then-Bronx superintendent Meisha Ross Porter expected attendees at the meetings for high-level Department of Education bosses to perform the arms-crossed-over-chest gesture of solidarity that was made famous by the comic-book movie.

    Espinal, a Dominican-American who identifies as Afro-Latina, claims that when she didn’t mimic the “Wakanda Forever” salute along with her peers, she “was admonished and told that it was inappropriate for her not to participate,” according to a Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit filed Feb. 3 against the city DOE.

    Lawyers for Espinal said the long-time educator was repeatedly asked to salute Wakanda, and she felt the symbolic gesture “introduced a racial divide where there should be none.”

    Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t “Black enough,” and she should “just learn to be quiet and look pretty,” she claims in the $40 million suit.

    https://thegrio.com/2021/02/21/ny-educator-fired-black-panther-salute/
     
    https://twitter.com/MeishaPorter/status/987416673262211072

    Replies: @Polistra, @Pericles

    Lol, fired for not saluting a comic book.

  40. @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are privileged people in New York - which is to say people who can pull strings to receive benefits not ordinarily distributed, benefits that would ordinarily be distributed by impersonal sorting methods, and benefits at concessionary prices. Few affluent people really have pull. The school's berths were sorted by performance scores. Parents with children who score well on screening tests are fortunate parents, not privileged parents.

    The whole point of public schooling is to socialize costs, so that every person receives some baseline of educational services. Everyone's property and sales taxes are in a pot paying for everyone else. Affluent parents are cross-subsidizing impecunious parents.

    If you don't track, teachers and students are not making optimal use of their time. Tracking means accelerated classes for some and decelerated for others. You have a critical mass of one or the other and you can set up a separate school for just those in a given track.


    Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    There are about 1.8 million working engineers in this country, over 600,000 physicians and surgeons, and about 500,000 other professionals in the medical arts (e.g. dentists, pharmacists, physical therapists, audiologists). There are also 800,000 natural scientists working outside of academe. There are about 650,000 working lawyers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Abolish_public_education

    .. every person receives some baseline of educational services ..

    Not “every” person. Initially, public education was limited to hopelessly impoverished Whites; the “free” part meant non-slaves, not “tuition”-free. Maybe around 1% of kids. (It was anticipated that non-poor would continue to use private schools, e.g. the little red schoolhouse.)

    Traditionally, that “baseline” consisted of the 3Rs, e.g. sufficient to enable the future voter to read the names on a ballot; done by ~8th grade; 90 school days per year. (Kids are now compelled to attend school til 10th grade or so, @180 d/y. They still can’t read.)

    As for the “socialized” cost of service, public education was sold, to a gullible voting public, with the promise that the burden would almost-certainly never (see below) cost taxpayers a dime: Money from sale of public lands was set side, in tax-free, interest bearing, perpetual trust to forevermore pay the cost of educating the destitute.

    [MORE]

    The future out-of-pocket exception would occur if for some reason, e.g. embezzlement, the amount held in trust (the real baseline!) dropped below the opening balance.

    Confidential to #29 (AchENewman): Abolishment forces an immediate 50% reduction in property tax bills. Otherwise, the crooked politicians will just reallocate the tax money++ somewhere else.

    As for how to payoff school bonds, the bondholders can foreclose, for all I care, or even be given nothing at all.

  41. Mr. Carranza didn’t last too long in Houston running the HISD, which is now majority Hispanic. Board members are elected from fairly small artificial districts which magnify race.

    I think he replaced a black school chief and was subsequently replaced after he left by another.

    The HISD is a snakepit (there’s that word again!) of racial politics. Blacks hate that Hisipanics can now outvote them, so they push back. It’s all about patronage, A huge amount of waste and corruption ongoing, studiously ignored by the Woke Hearst owned Houston Chronicle, until someone is arrested or indicted.

    It got so bad that for over a year now the Texas State Board of Education removed the HISD Board from running the district due to continually failing grades and performance. It is now in a lengthy legal struggle over this.

    As for Carranza, I assume he tried his best to navigate the politics but was quite happy to be lured to NYC. Failing upward? Maybe just jumping from one ice flow to another.

    As for NYC, both Jews and Asians (as groups) are known for their advocacy of public education for their own kids (or private, if they can afford it.) This is a good thing for them, and others. But up against a Soviet style political setup, in a one party city that runs the schools, they are outnumbered by the indifferent or the patronage Mafia.

    Employers Beware of the 2020-2021 Graduates!

  42. Don’t mess with (((New York parents))). Just like they only gamble with OPM, when it comes to schools, EDI is only for OPC — Other People’s Children.

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
    @anon

    Or when they short a stock they want it to stay low till they cash out. Else change the rules.

  43. @Colin Wright
    'Richard Carranza’s departure, planned for mid-March, comes after repeated clashes with Mayor Bill de Blasio over how to desegregate the city’s schools.'

    I assume Carranza was silly enough to want to literally do it, while de Blasio wasn't quite that stupid.

    Replies: @Forbes

    The problem or challenge to desegregate NYC schools it that there aren’t enough white students.

    As of 2018, non-Hispanic whites, at 15%, were behind Asians, at 16%. What does “desegregation” mean when whites are 15% of the students??

    Clearly, the “issue” of desegregation is a distraction from policies the mayor or education blob wants to slip under the radar.

    Treating students as so many different colored widgets to be allocated by proportional quota is what the woke-prog-left defines as equality/equity these days. Is it any wonder we’re moving to white flight 2.0?

  44. It’s really too bad he didn’t succeed in breaking up the “gifted ed” cartel in NYC. I was hoping he’d give the knee-jerk liberals who put de Blasio in office a taste of their own medicine.

  45. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know what they are doing now, but when I went to a public HS in the '70s in a mostly blue collar white NJ town, tracking after the 6th grade was considered completely normal and non-controversial. You weren't going to teach calculus to the vocational guys in the same classroom as the college track people. It made complete sense to me. I really can't understand how it could be done any other way. Since almost everyone was white, there was no notion that the lower track people were being discriminated against. As you say, race colors everything.

    We all had the same teachers but they would present the material differently to the the different tracks and proceed at a different speed. Votech guys still needed to learn fractions and geometry, etc. but at a more practical level. Probably on a day to day basis they needed to use math more than most of the college track people but at a different level. It wouldn't have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom. I suppose that nowadays in the "everyone goes to college" era it may be different.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It wouldn’t have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom.

    In Lake Wobegon, every child is above average. Compared to the bottom rung of states (which now includes California), this may even be true.

    I suppose that nowadays in the “everyone goes to college” era it may be different.

    Everyone has to go to college. To get into the class that is screwing over those who don’t go to college. It’s not ambition, it’s survival.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Everyone doesn't, though it's more prevalent than it was a generation ago. Around about 62% has some measure of tertiary schooling nowadays and about 45% cadge a baccalaureate degree. Somewhat south of 30% receive an occupational degree; somewhat north of 15% receive an academic or arts degree. For quite a mess of skilled trade work, apprenticeships, certificate programs, and associate's degrees remain the order of the day.

  46. “New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country,”

    Oh, is that what they’re calling them these days?

  47. @Rohirrimborn
    @Escape from NY

    Good gravy! She looks like Rachel Levine with a tan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Well at least we know she didnt sleep her way to the top.

  48. @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix


    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.
     
    The less privileged shouldn’t have to pay for the education of the privileged family’s “future rocket scientist” offspring. That family is privileged enough. Moreover, in truth, most “high IQ” offspring do not go on to become “rocket scientists” but enter rent seeking and other high income professions.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Nicholas Stix

    You clearly know nothing about the schools in question. They are dominated by impoverished and lower-middle-class, Northeast Asians, very few of whom are rent-seekers.

  49. @Nicholas Stix
    "There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it."

    There are many good reasons that contradict your assertion. The average black IQ is 85; the average White gentile IQ is 100; the average Northeast Asian IQ is 105-108; the average Ashkenazi IQ is 112-114. The kids typically admitted to schools like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science on merit would all have IQs of over 130.

    It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same "right" to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Anonymous, @Alice in Wonderland

    “It is rank imbecility to claim that a dunce with an IQ of 80 should have the same “right” to attend such a school as a future rocket scientist with an IQ of over 140. ”

    Nah, It is actually really easy to do. The kids attend the same school but not the same classes. So, they test students to get into a program which exists on the same campus. It is just tracking. Also, music, drama classes, etc., don’t require students to test in which improves the desegregation optics.

  50. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    It wouldn’t have done anyone any favors to mix everyone up in the same classroom.
     
    In Lake Wobegon, every child is above average. Compared to the bottom rung of states (which now includes California), this may even be true.

    I suppose that nowadays in the “everyone goes to college” era it may be different.
     
    Everyone has to go to college. To get into the class that is screwing over those who don't go to college. It's not ambition, it's survival.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Everyone doesn’t, though it’s more prevalent than it was a generation ago. Around about 62% has some measure of tertiary schooling nowadays and about 45% cadge a baccalaureate degree. Somewhat south of 30% receive an occupational degree; somewhat north of 15% receive an academic or arts degree. For quite a mess of skilled trade work, apprenticeships, certificate programs, and associate’s degrees remain the order of the day.

  51. @Anonymous
    Carranza’s ouster is bad news for iSteve fans and other core Americans.

    New York City has the smartest, most ruthless white parents in the country, so I wondered if Carranza’s Hate YT tactics that had powered his fabulous career in Houston and San Francisco would come a cropper in New York.
     
    The only way to fight back against the anti-White powers that be is to force them to internalize some of the costs of their destructive, and often malicious, policies. That means forcing the ruling class and their offspring to experience real desegregation.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Irish Savant

    Will never happen. Deseg is strictly for the plebs.

  52. @Daniel H
    This is an unfortunate development. Any enemy of bourgeois Goodwhites is an ally of mine (and an ally of yours too). I hope that his successor will be more engaged and competent in thoroughly desegregating the charter schools. This would put a stake through the heart of the Goodwhite New York City experience. Such a move would be devastating. And the successor can ignore the competitive entry exam schools. 80% of the students in these schools are Asian. Goodwhites are the enemy. They must hurt.

    Replies: @Irish Savant

    Any enemy of bourgeois Goodwhites is an ally of mine

    That is absolutely correct. One AOC will help Whites develop racial solidarity faster than a hundred GoodWhite virtue-signalers like Mitt Romneys. And the demographic timebomb is ominously ticking.

  53. @anon
    Don't mess with (((New York parents))). Just like they only gamble with OPM, when it comes to schools, EDI is only for OPC -- Other People's Children.

    Replies: @Irish Savant

    Or when they short a stock they want it to stay low till they cash out. Else change the rules.

  54. @AnotherDad

    Mr. Carranza has consistently said he wanted the test abandoned altogether, and that the city’s gifted program is fundamentally flawed and unfair. White and Asian-American students make up about 75 percent of the city’s gifted offerings, whereas Black and Latino children make up about 70 percent of the overall district.
     
    Have to give the nod to Carranza here. He's right. It is unfair.

    There's no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good. The Harvard name on your diploma is a scarce good. But not education. Just deliver it.

    The following paragraph:


    The city will not give the test this year, but only because an education panel that typically acts as a rubber stamp for City Hall took the extremely rare step of rejecting Mr. de Blasio’s plan to offer it. The city will instead create a lottery system for young children who are recommended by their pre-Kindergarten teachers or who sit for a short interview.
     
    drives home the point. Anytime you say "lottery" ... you're giving away the game: A bunch of kids/parents want to have educational program X, but you are giving it to some not others.

    Why?

    The public schools system--especially the NYC system!--is well funded. Simply clone the desired program and deliver it to as many kids as want it.


    AnotherDad can not solve every contentious problem (most, but not all). But i can solve this one:

    Give NYC parents a voucher for the education of every NYC kid. Then the parents can select precisely the educational program that the desire!

    There is neither Jew, nor Gentile, neither black nor white, neither male nor female ... for all of you get the same darn voucher.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @Achmed E. Newman, @frontier

    There’s no reason some kids should get a particular public education program that their parents desire, and some other kids not get it. Education is not a scarce good.

    With educators like this, little wonder the country is in the sewer. Education is most definitely a scarce good! Any service is a scarce good when real money is being payed for it.

    We have to educate parents and get their kids out of public education concentration camps. The alternative is to continue to churn out pumpkins who think there’s unlimited supply of education and other people are obliged to give them what their parents desire. Or the other kind of vegetables who want to allocate other people’s money according to whatever metric they hallucinate.

    The only sane approach to education is competing private schools, less regulation, more transparency, less barriers of entry, stop government spending on schools and redirect it to research and publishing. If everything is in order, private funds are going to take care of gifted children.

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