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From Florida Today:

Co-worker: Omar Mateen homophobic, ‘unhinged’
Anthony Westbury, Nicole Rodriguez, Elliot Jones, USA TODAY Network – Florida 7:20 p.m. EDT June 12, 2016

A former Fort Pierce police officer who once worked with 29-year-old Omar Mateen, the assailant in an Orlando nightclub shooting that left at least 50 dead, said he was “unhinged and unstable.”

Daniel Gilroy said he worked the 7 a.m. to 3 p.m. shift with G4S Security at the south gate at PGA Village for several months in 2014-15. Mateen took over from him for a 3 to 11 p.m. shift.

Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim. Gilroy quit after he said Mateen began stalking him via multiple text messages — 20 or 30 a day. He also sent Gilroy 13 to 15 phone messages a day, he said.

“I quit because everything he said was toxic,” Gilroy said Sunday, “and the company wouldn’t do anything. This guy was unhinged and unstable. He talked of killing people.”

Gilroy said this shooting didn’t come as a surprise to him.

Similarly, during the second presidential debate in 2000, George W. Bush denounced ethnic profiling at airports of Arab passengers. When he became President, he had Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta launch a campaign against heightened scrutiny of terrorist-looking passengers. A ticket agent told Oprah Winfrey:

Michael Tuohey was going to work like he had for 37 years, but little did he know that this day would change his life forever. On September 11, 2001, Tuohey, a ticket agent for U.S. Airways, checked in terrorist Mohammed Atta for a flight that started a chain of events that would change history.

Tuohey was working the U.S. Airways first-class check-in desk when two men, Atta and his companion Abdul Azziz-Alomari, approached his counter. From all outward appearances, the men seemed to be normal businessmen, but Tuohey felt something was wrong.

“I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap…I thought, ‘My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.'”

Tuohey also told David Hench of the Portland Press Herald:

Then his eyes locked on Atta.

“It just sent chills through you. You see his picture in the paper (now). You see more life in that picture than there is in flesh and blood,” Tuohey said.

Then Tuohey went through an internal debate that still haunts him.”I said to myself, ‘If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.’ Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said.

“You’ve checked in hundreds of Arabs and Hindus and Sikhs, and you’ve never done that. I felt kind of embarrassed.”

It wasn’t just Atta’s demeanor that caught Tuohey’s attention.”When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual,” he said. “I guess they’re not coming back. Maybe this is the end of their trip.”

Indeed, they weren’t coming back.

 
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  1. The mass murder had nothing to do with Islam, I’m sure. In fact, Islam itself has nothing to do with Islam.

    • Agree: Vendetta
    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @MG

    Nice.

    , @Clyde
    @MG


    The mass murder had nothing to do with Islam, I’m sure. In fact, Islam itself has nothing to do with Islam.
     
    Same as Muhammad was the world's first Muslim terrorist and has nothing to do with the "true Islam".
  2. So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they’re going with?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @27 year old

    The ready-made narrative of gun-control is already being invoked, of course. All sorts of Hollywood A-listers (and D-listers: Will Wheaton?) are furiously tweeting their loathing of our Bill of Rights. They would say that only the Police should be armed.

    By the way, guess what job the Orlando killer had been trying to get?

    Police officer.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @AP
    @27 year old

    That and no gun control. Anything but militant Islam.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    , @donut
    @27 year old

    No , more gun control . Another example of why the law abiding public needs to be disarmed .

    , @anon
    @27 year old

    I am going with Homophobia / hate crime and gun control. The narrative will steer away from characterizing it in any way with Islam.


    In other words they will not say the truth.

    , @cipher
    @27 year old

    A brief video of Phil Donahue weeping and rending his garments is called for here.

    , @Olorin
    @27 year old

    Yeah. Citizen Mateen: disgusted to murderous rage by seeing two men kiss each other but just fine with the idea of wading through pools of blood and other bodily fluids from a population (young, Hispanic, gay//MSM) with very high rates of HIV, hepatitis B and C, syphilis, gonorrhea (including of the throat and anus), giardia, herpes, HPV, and chlamydia....

    I keep trying to imagine the EMS equipment/transport vehicle and worker and hospital unit disinfections. Especially since according to CDC something like 70% of Latino men with new HIV infections didn't even know they were infected.

  3. In response to these unprovoked attacks by Islam it’s time for America to step up and double our efforts dedicated to the sacred cause of defending Israel.

    • Replies: @Hubbub
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    But...but...but who will defend us?

    Replies: @The Undiscovered Jew

    , @donut
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    F**k that shit , that's how we got here in the first place . No foreign engagements .

    , @SFG
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    You've been here enough times I know you're not a troll...so why are you trolling?

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @The Undiscovered Jew

    , @anon
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    I would cut off funding for Israel in the same breath as cutting off Muslim immigration. Both are bad for Americans.

  4. Oh man, if only there was a highly effective and exceedingly simple way to prevent these attacks. Hmmm… think, think, think…

    • Agree: NickG
  5. In the tradition of Steve’s classic “Health Czar” compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American.

    Omar “Holy war on the dance floor” Mateen
    Omar “No Homo” Mateen
    Omar “HIV Positive discrimination” Mateen
    Omar “Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it” Mateen
    Omar “One Man Homocaust” Mateen
    Omar “Shots are on me” Mateen
    Omar “Terror raids on gay parades” Mateen
    Omar “you’ll be sore in the morning” Mateen
    Omar “Closer of closets” Mateen
    Omar “Drag Queen vs AR-15″ Mateen
    Omar ” Blastin´ and Fastin´ ” Mateen
    Omar “LGBTBBQ” Mateen
    Omar “50 shades of gay” Mateen
    Omar “No immunity for the gay community” Mateen
    Omar “Born this way? Then you die today” Mateen
    Omar “the Penetrator, no homo” Mateen
    Omar “God Slay The Queen” Mateen
    Omar “goes commando in Orlando” Mateen

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    @Felix.

    I guess it's good he didn't live much longer, or he probably would've taken a flight north, next. If there's anything more disgusting than homosexuality, its got to be beastiality, something the Canucks have now legalized.

    Are we in a cultural marxist 'limbo' game of how low can they go? Honestly, what's next? Actually, scratch that, don't want to know.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @Felix.

    "In the tradition of Steve’s classic “Health Czar” compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American. "
    These made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Felix.

    Drudge had this on his site earlier today: "ALLAH-HU-GAYBAR."
    It now reads "ALLAH-HU-AKBAR." Not the first time I've seen him have second thoughts.

  6. There’s an opening for somebody to propose banning Muslims AND assault weapons

    • Agree: Das
    • Replies: @newrouter
    @MikeJa

    > AND assault weapons<

    semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Mr. Anon, @The most deplorable one

    , @candid_observer
    @MikeJa

    To mess with progressive heads, I once proposed that the right solution is to ban Muslims from getting guns -- or at least assault weapons.

    For some reason, I couldn't get a coherent answer out of them.

    , @Das
    @MikeJa

    It's interesting that liberals are saying about Muslims what Republicans say about guns after every mass shooting.

    "It's just a few bad apples. We can't restrict the 2nd amendment (immigration) because... LIBERTY (DIVERSITY)!"

    It seems like being able to go out in public without fear of getting gunned down is an important liberty, and it's hard to imagine that murdering a mostly Latino group of gays is good for civil rights.

  7. Obama brings them in from every Muslim country… and then he stands at the podium and addresses the country as though he’s had nothing to do with the situation.

    Obama’s admin has fostered a climate of submission to radical Islam in the USA.

    Trump’s comments today are actually weak.

  8. Not all Muslims go on shooting sprees and kill people, not all pit bulls maul or kill children, and not all pet felids of the genus Panthera kill, eat, or maul their keepers. I do not wish to exterminate Muslims, pit bulls, or big cats.

    But common sense has to be applied in all three cases, obviously.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Former Darfur

    If you can't tell what snakes are venomous and what ones aren't, isn't the best strategy just to avoid all snakes altogether?

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Former Darfur

    Not all Muslims go on shooting sprees and kill people...

    Sort of "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim"

    (Yea, I know, there's Columbine and Eric Rudolph and, well, Columbine and Eric Rudolph.)

  9. This could turn out to be a catastrophe for Blue Team: http://tinyurl.com/jvc4qcr

    It’s ZeroHedge, but the sources are to mainstream news sites. I bet very few Americans are aware of the fact a British security firm is hired by the US Government to dump illegals into the US. The fact they were hiring guys this shooter is going to be hard for Team Blue to wave off.

    Once again, the facts of life of proving to be Trumpian.

  10. It’s been a horrible day for the “NARRATIVE”

    First the terror attack in Orlando is perpetrated by a Muslim against Gays.

    Second white man named James Howell, who was arrested in Los Angeles for planning a terrorist attack during Gay parade, turns out to be HOMOSEXUAL.

    Funny thing is liberal will still blame white, heterosexual, conservative, Christian males for both attacks.

    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    @shk12344

    Where did you get the info on him being gay?

    , @Big Bill
    @shk12344

    And they are doubtless both Democrats. What is it about the Democratic Party and other apocalyptic religions? Why not ban Democrats from owning guns?

  11. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    The ready-made narrative of gun-control is already being invoked, of course. All sorts of Hollywood A-listers (and D-listers: Will Wheaton?) are furiously tweeting their loathing of our Bill of Rights. They would say that only the Police should be armed.

    By the way, guess what job the Orlando killer had been trying to get?

    Police officer.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Mr. Anon

    (1) Liberals believe only the police should be armed.

    (2) Liberals believe the police are violent white racists.

    Either they are completely stupid or, deep down, they don't really believe (2).

  12. It goes without saying of course that the media is trying to spin this as a “mass shooting“, not Radical Islamic Terrorism. Piers Morgan tweetingly blamed it on the NRA. One establishment propaganda forum after another tried to make Trump the villain for having predicted this.

    I’d say the results are now in with this experiment in multi-culti tolerance towards these Allah-keen chaps, wouldn’t you?

    You know the multi-dimensional tesseract spooky black hole dealie at the end of Interstellar, where he’s trying to send messages backwards through time? Well increasingly our entire Civilisation is flashing enormous red warning signs. Instead of ghostly Morse code though, we’re getting the most blatant “defend yourselves” vibe imaginable.

    We cannot allow this to continue.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Richard S

    As a Brit, allow me to apologise for the existence of Piers Morgan.

  13. That Michael Tuohey incident has been flushed down the memory hole. You almost never see it mentioned. Didn’t want to blame 9/11 on Bush I guess.

  14. This isn’t just another shooting that you just need to look at gun control over and it’s not just a sign of a shitty world. It’s a fucking hate crime that’s a progression from the homophobic rhetoric of your right wing, from the torrent of transphobic legislation being pushed across the country in bathroom bills etc. It is then enabled by the access to guns.

    Hate mongering politicians that vote against gun control and profit politically off this crap spouting “thoughts and prayers” can go fuck themselves as the hypocrites they are. If you know people the celebrate this and continue to call them friend then I really have to wonder about you as well (theoretical, I don’t know if anyone in here does).

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Tiny Duck

    Some excellent satire, keep it up.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    Hey Troll, there are plenty of good decaffeinated coffees. Also a dyed in the wool terrorist is going to be dissuaded by not being able to buy a gun legally, I know plenty of career criminals that are...not. The Brussels attacks killed all 32 with only explosives, Boston, entirely explosive devices as well, crazy finds a way to kill, trolls always find ways to troll, go sell your crazy elsewhere like Salon for example.

  15. Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it’s all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    • Replies: @e
    @Tiny Duck

    Waaaaa, waaaaaa . Even Fred Phelps didn't blow gay Americans away, Golden Showers....whoops, Golden Flowers.

    , @biz
    @Tiny Duck

    Who says that?

    Also when was the last time some shitfuck white person committed violence on behalf of Jesus? Some abortion clinic bombing in the 90s? Get with the times.

    , @Tony
    @Tiny Duck

    Yeah because the Imam from this douche's mosque and his followers all support the killing of infidels. There's tens of thousands of ISIS members who applaud this guy. No supporters of Jesus encourage and lend support to these white maniacs.

    , @anon
    @Tiny Duck

    "When some white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy."

    Mind giving some examples of your alleged white guys who did something similar in the name of Jesus, my brown Muslim troll?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Jesus didn't tell his followers to go out and kill people. Mohammed did.

  16. My wife and I usually discuss, at least briefly, these terrorists’ attacks, not from surprise or not understanding. We’re not surprised or dumb, but, on the contrary, we’re stupefied with disbelief that our public officials, sworn to protect the citizens of the country, continue to propagate this travesty and continue to insure that the United States suffer the fate of the other ‘do-good’ countries by ‘welcoming’ these ignorant, neurotic, and psychopathic people into the country.

    Today, we have not discussed or mentioned this murderous jihadic tirade. What’s there to say. We know it will continue to happen over and over until we, too, are like Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Our government needs to be purged of the imbeciles, and the Muslims to the last man need to be expelled – yes, even the ‘nice Muslim family’ that lives next door or down the block from you.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Hubbub

    Agreed. Muslim immigration is suicidal madness for the west. As Mr. Sailer asked in a post not long ago "Why is there no Muslim terrorism in Japan"?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Lurker
    @Hubbub

    The issue is usually put in terms of 'radical' and 'moderate' Muslims. Seems to me we could make a lot of progress just by distinguishing between Sunni and Shia, the Sunni being the main problem. But that would involve noticing things.

    , @AndrewR
    @Hubbub

    Hopefully you and your wife haven't passed on your defective genes.

    Replies: @Hubbub

  17. Haha, can’t remember the last time I saw Drudge lit up like that. Holy Omar.

    Michael Tuohey was going to work like he had for 37 years, but little did he know that this day would change his life forever. On September 11, 2001, Tuohey, a ticket agent for U.S. Airways, checked in terrorist Mohammed Atta for a flight that started a chain of events that would change history.

    Tuohey was working the U.S. Airways first-class check-in desk when two men, Atta and his companion Abdul Azziz-Alomari, approached his counter. From all outward appearances, the men seemed to be normal businessmen, but Tuohey felt something was wrong.

    “I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap…I thought, ‘My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.’”

    Has any talking head ever condemned Tuohey for not trusting his instincts? For his part in the chain of failures that allowed Islamic terrorists to murder 3,000+ Americans? If not, I find that pretty interesting. Funny the sorts of abstract connections lefties will condemn people over when it fits their narrative, but a ticket agent saying, “ah, what the hell, go on in” to a man who sent chills up his spine, and later murdered 3k?

    Then his eyes locked on Atta.

    “It just sent chills through you. You see his picture in the paper (now). You see more life in that picture than there is in flesh and blood,” Tuohey said.

    Then Tuohey went through an internal debate that still haunts him.”I said to myself, ‘If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.’ Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said.

    “You’ve checked in hundreds of Arabs and Hindus and Sikhs, and you’ve never done that. I felt kind of embarrassed.”

    It wasn’t just Atta’s demeanor that caught Tuohey’s attention.”When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual,” he said. “I guess they’re not coming back. Maybe this is the end of their trip.”

    Has anyone in the leftist corporate media called him out? Called out the taboo he was obeying? Criticized so-called politically correct culture for this?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Svigor

    Naah, it's one of those bipartisan screwjobs. The left doesn't want to admit Islamophobia has empirical grounding, and the right feels bad about going after a 'real American' doing his job. The smart thing IMHO would be to cast him as a victim of the left's prejudices. But I'm not that smart (in any practical sense).

  18. @The Undiscovered Jew
    In response to these unprovoked attacks by Islam it's time for America to step up and double our efforts dedicated to the sacred cause of defending Israel.

    Replies: @Hubbub, @donut, @SFG, @anon

    But…but…but who will defend us?

    • Replies: @The Undiscovered Jew
    @Hubbub

    But…but…but who will defend us?

    The God of Israel. Don't you have faith in our God?

  19. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    That and no gun control. Anything but militant Islam.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @AP

    The no gun control angle is threadbare before the day it happened is out. Literally less than a year ago this happened in France where they have much stricter gun control. Gun laws are no protection from these lunatics. It's almost as if these muslims are... Homicidal maniacs... Who don't care about the laws... Who think that they have been commanded by God to do this stuff.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  20. This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    • Replies: @e
    @Tiny Duck

    Is that ALL you've got? Sorry, no guilt here. Go elsewhere.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Tiny Duck

    "And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic."

    Pointed out by whom? You? I read an account that stated that he went on the Hajj to Mecca a few years ago and came back very religious.

    , @Big Bill
    @Tiny Duck

    Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Man, you got the Salon narrative perfectly! Waitasec ... you don't work for them, do you?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Big Bill
    @Tiny Duck

    He was NOT homophobic! He killed them out of "compassion" as his Orlando-area imam taught him:

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/12/orlando-night-club-attack-by-known-wolf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Tiny Duck

    You need to put a (/sarc) after that or people will think you're a whack job.

    As a friend recently wrote, "It's becoming harder and harder to distinguish The Onion from the New York Times.

    Today we saw BO stand up and give his typical tele-prompted address on this atrocity without once mentioning the sick religion that motivated it.

    Any non-Muslim (Religion of peace! Right!) who's not seriously thinking of voting for Trump after this either has a death wish or has serious problems dealing with reality.

    , @Warner
    @Tiny Duck

    "Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind."

    A homosexual is not a civilian to Islam. A homosexual is engaged in war as an enemy of Allah, thus a valid target for jihad. So are you.

    For that matter, "civilians" are only Muslims who are following Sharia. So... Good luck.

    , @AKAHorace
    @Tiny Duck

    There are stories that he called 911 to attest to his loyalty to ISIS. Perhaps a bit early to say though.

    Are you a troll or for real ?

    , @Grandpa Jack
    @Tiny Duck

    "This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes [sic]."
    -Sure, its been "white" men who have been running the entertainment industry that's been making gay jokes, and before that, black jokes; and "white" men in the media stirring up civil unrest at every turn in minorities.

    And "white" men like you, who have been pining for increasing diversity, bringing in people like Omar into the US, pretending everyone is exactly the same in every way, and dropping him into a community with a gay bar and pretending that homosexuality isn't considered a horrific insult against God punishable by death in his family's homeland. Sure, nothing at all to do with Islam, troll. Its interesting that there's a certain country much closer in the Middle East that never seems to come up when concerns about opening up the borders of first world nations comes up.

    White Christian nations have been nearly the only ones that have shown tolerance towards gays. But never mind facts, right?

  21. It appears I’ve blown some sort of emotional fuse.

    Feelings ain’t registering on this one.

    *cracks beer*

  22. How many more blatantly Islamic massacres would have to occur for true believer leftists to start doubting themelves?

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Anonymous

    it is not about the absolute number, it is about frequency. Leftist by now have already integrated a islamic terrorist attack with over a dozen of dead people every three months in western countries in their world view. They have found mental strategies to kind of ignore it.
    So when the frequency would go up, to maybe some hundred per weak, then some would get some doubts. But the current situation is accepted as new normal.

  23. Diversity attacks faggotry, but it’s the heterosexual-stale-pale males with evil guns who get called to come in and clean up the mess. There needs to be a hotline the progressively vibrant community can use that goes to homo/lesbo/bisexual/transgender non-violence counselors of assorted colors instead.

  24. It’s one of life’s mysterious questions in the “when a tree falls in a forest” vein: When Muslims slaughter gays, whose side has a better claim to Bath House Barry Soetero’s sympathies? Our little mulatto Farquaad must be awfully conflicted over this one. What, indeed, will he do?

    Well, now we know the answer: He blames guns.

    There are many, many rays of truth that need to be shone on this despicable act, and I am confident that over the next few days, the alt-right will shine them. God bless Unz and his bloggers, Drudge, Vdare, Breitbart, and the ever-prescient Pat Buchanan. God bless and protect Donald Trump.

    I have only one thing to add at the moment, and it is this: The narrative is not going to work this time. God has granted the Loony Left only so much time to run about the world unabated, and now the mandate of heaven has been withdrawn. The still, small voice in my gut tells me that the tide is turning.

    We are looking at a very likely Brexit and a Trump presidential victory, but these will be only the beginning of the battle not the end. Like Lexington and Concord, these will be the shots heard round the world that initiate the next great historical discontinuity. The decisive battle of our age has begun.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Intelligent Dasein


    a Trump presidential victory
     
    I think the moment is indeed ripe for that. But Trump has no national campaign organization, no ground game, and no digital GOTV operation. Hillary either has developed those things or is inheriting the balance from Barack. Trump has yet to realize that you can't beat something with nothing.

    McCain didn't build a national electronic GOTV system. Romney didn't build it. His Highness Prince Rebus didn't built it. The political equivalent of criminal negligence for eight years running.

    And Trump seems a bit reluctant to throw his wealth at the problem--perhaps because he's not as rich as he claims, though probably because he's not liquid and he wants to leave a bunch for his kids.

    (One thing that impressed me about Bloomberg's abortive run was that he truly seemed willing to dump huge amounts of money into running--if he thought he had an actual chance of winning. Of course, his net worth has expanded hugely in the last decade. Is Bloomberg News really that valuable?)

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The decisive battle of our age has begun.
     
    It looks like John Cleese is getting into the spirit.
  25. The Big Four States in The U.S (Florida, California, Texas, and New York) have now all personally experienced the aswesomeness that is the religion of peace.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Jefferson

    good point. This latest terrorist attack will result in Florida going for Trump in November.
    If the democrats keep up with the anti-gun narrative it will help Trump win Pennsylvania. Looking more and more likely that Trump will be the next President. The democrats have no rational method of response. Most Americans will correctly see this as another Islamic attack against Americans.

  26. Pat Casey says:

    Fox News reported that the FBI interviewed the murderer —twice. If that is true, this must rank: BIGGEST FBI F-Up EVER. One can only hope it teaches them more than ever. But I don’t think the FBI needs to be taught about the perils of anti-Islamophobia. Because I also heard reported today that as of now 101 ISIS affiliates have been arrested inside this country. Did anybody know that before now? I don’t recall hearing about anybody like that who’s been arrested before the fact of terrorism, I don’t recall hearing with any regularity about federal prosecutors grandstanding with nice and tidy evidence, probable cause and such. Which probably suggests the FBI does not suffer anti-Islamophobia fools gladly, ya know. My hunch is that what the FBI has to learn from this tragedy is that, sometimes, the motherfucker who talks the most actually means it the most. That, or the old tricks of the trade that toe the line on entrapment need perfecting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Pat Casey

    "Because I also heard reported today that as of now 101 ISIS affiliates have been arrested inside this country. Did anybody know that before now?"

    A lot of those cases, perhaps a majority of them, were probably put-up jobs - entrapment cases, where they induce some stupid schmo to take a fake bomb and drive it to a park/synagogue/federal-building, etc. The FBI and DoJ loves those kind of cases because they don't involve a lot of hard work, but they yield collars and convictions - promotions all round. These are government employees we're talking about, after all.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim.

    I wonder what the racial comments were. I’m guessing Gilroy is black – lots of security guards seem to be black – and Mateen made negative comments about blacks. The nightclub he shot up seemed to be a Hispanic/black club.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    You sure are lazy.

    Dan Gilroy got into trouble in 2007 when he arrested a 15 year-old black girl.


    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/fort-pierce-police-conduct-internal-investigation-into-officers-taped-arrest-of-15-year-old-ep-40547-349413971.html

    https://youtu.be/sX8GMI1v518

    Replies: @Marty

    , @CJ
    @Anonymous

    Gilroy is not black. Here he is on YouTube in 2007:

    Florida Cop Punches, Pepper Sprays 15 Yr Old Curfew Breaker

    Caption: Videotaped on July 14, 2007 in Fort Pierce, Florida, after officer Daniel Gilroy detains15 yr old Shelwand Riley for questioning, on the suspicion that she is breaking curfew.

  28. @shk12344
    It's been a horrible day for the "NARRATIVE"

    First the terror attack in Orlando is perpetrated by a Muslim against Gays.

    Second white man named James Howell, who was arrested in Los Angeles for planning a terrorist attack during Gay parade, turns out to be HOMOSEXUAL.

    Funny thing is liberal will still blame white, heterosexual, conservative, Christian males for both attacks.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @Big Bill

    Where did you get the info on him being gay?

  29. Mr. Sailer, you really seem to be somebody who swallows whatever bullshit is thrown in his general direction — well, at least, if the bullshit in question is ideologically useful to you…

    A lot of it must be some just absolute ignorance of real history, so you believe the latest “lone nut gunman” story. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 478 times…. WTF… am I stupid or what?

    Mohammed Atta, (what a scary looking guy he was ya-dee-dah….)

    Oh, so you still believe that stale bullshit, eh? Look, it’s been nearly 15 years now and there is a huge literature on this.There’s really no excuse for such a level of willful obtunesness, Mr. Sailer.

    Everybody who has looked into this knows that this whole Osama Bin Laden/Mohammed Atta/Al Qaeda story is just a load of bullshit. Why don’t you get educated? WTF is wrong with you? Unlike most of you pathetic fanboys, you’re not really stupid per se.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Revusky

    "Oh, so you still believe that stale bullshit, eh? Look, it’s been nearly 15 years now and there is a huge literature on this.There’s really no excuse for such a level of willful obtunesness, Mr. Sailer."

    Huge literature? That's an interesting way to describe grainy youtube videos narrated by autistic retards, and the delusional theories of people who think the world works the way it does in comic books.

    Didn't you storm off in a huff last time you you popped up here and vowed never to return?

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I don't think you've thought through this adequately. Let's say that Mohammed Atta story is wrong... Based on the history of the last 15 years, what is the outcome that was desired from the false flag event? Was it more border control? Was it less Islamic immigration? Was it pulling troops home from places they shouldn't be overseas?

    You see my point? It doesn't matter whether 9/11 was a false flag or a real terrorist event. Either way, Steve's point holds: the standard of security that was in place at the time of the attack was probably adequate, and if we just used common sense, no problem.

    In fact, if you really believe the 9/11 truther stuff, maybe the best way to fight it is by playing along. If "Mohammed Atta was scary-looking" is part of a 9/11-is-real-so-Patriot-Act conspiracy, Steve is using it to undermine the logic of the conspirators. Pretty smart, huh?

    By the way, despite the obvious trolling in your post, I checked out your website link anyway. I don't have the interest to read all your posts, but he' something I noticed skimming:


    You see, really, the ISIS beheading videos had to be fake. In fact, some variant of this could, I think be a basic question on a BDQ test:

    Does a political movement ever make propaganda films that are designed to portray themselves as villains out of a comic book?

    Really, think about it. You know, even without checking, I am absolutely certain that you can go and look back at any of the propaganda films from Germany in the Nazi period or from Soviet Russia and they never portray themselves as evil. No! Of course not!
     
    ...which made me think of this funny skit...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImnpErdDzA

    Also, how could anyone believe that samurai were real? Nobody would intentionally make themselves look like Darth Vader! That's preposterous!
  30. Dew says:

    Things are pretty grim here in Orlando. Can’t believe this happened now while I was just visiting some relatives in the area.

    Some things to note:

    The Pulse nightclub had a “Latino Night” event at the time of the shooting. There were quite a few Hispanic gays at the club as a result. Its not just Islam vs. Gays. It’s Islam vs. LGBT people of color. Much more complicated for leftists to defend Islam in this case without resorting to their typical gun control defenses.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140
    Check out the above link and listen to 3:20 onwards. Two clubbers barricaded the emergency exit door after they escaped. They were trying to save their own hides and probably trapped quite a few people which lead to more deaths. Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself? Wouldn’t he just try and shoot the door or something?

    • Replies: @cipher
    @Dew

    "Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself?"

    Because they're fags. Out in the open, out on the town fags. Possessed by a worldly spirit that's half male/half female. Therefore fags do girlish things, but with the strength and aggression of a man. Count on it.

    , @Half Canadian
    @Dew

    Sounds like those two clubbers could be charged with something. Manslaughter? I hope it's manslaughter.

    , @Wilkey
    @Dew

    If you watch the interview between Burbano and George Snuffleufagus it sounds like the emergency exit lead to an alleyway blocked by a fence, so there were about 20 people outside in a confined space making their way over the fence one by one and a shooter who was supposedly heading for the door. Blocking the door still sounds stupid and selfish, yes, but maybe not that stupid. It also seems almost certain that the people banging on the door trying to get out were killed.

  31. @MG
    The mass murder had nothing to do with Islam, I'm sure. In fact, Islam itself has nothing to do with Islam.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Clyde

    Nice.

  32. I wonder how the PC crowd will react – will they pander to the gays or to the Muslims? Or try their best to pander to both as they usually do? I hope I live long enough to see these morons finally understand that being tolerant of intolerant people has an inherent problem. On that day heads will be exploding all over places where Democrats convene.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Dave B

    " I hope I live long enough to see these morons finally understand that being tolerant of intolerant people has an inherent problem."

    God himself won't live that long .

    , @anon
    @Dave B

    From what I have seen here from the Canadian mainstream media they are trying very hard to blame it on the gun lobby, Trump, etc. ANYTHING BUT ISLAM seems to be the basic party line for the narrative.

  33. The media concern will be the inevitable frontlash of this story: will Muslims now be discriminated against for this and if so by whom?

    Another concern will obviously be gun control since guns did these murders just as surely as forks and spoons caused Oprah Winfrey’s weight problem.

    Still another angle to explore is just how it might be that white, Christian, heterosexual, American males are ultimately, in some way, responsible for this?

    Have fun and drive safe.

  34. Anxiously awaiting the first media article fretting about the Islamophobic backlash.

    Even though the media are very much downplaying the Islam angle of the original attack.

  35. @Tiny Duck
    Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it's all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Replies: @e, @biz, @Tony, @anon, @Anonymous

    Waaaaa, waaaaaa . Even Fred Phelps didn’t blow gay Americans away, Golden Showers….whoops, Golden Flowers.

  36. A Muslim is responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in U.S history, even though Muslims make up less 1 percent of The U.S population.

    From a per capita basis, there are way too many Muslim mass shootings/terrorist attacks in The U.S when you factor how much fewer Muslims there are in The U.S compared to White males.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Jefferson


    A Muslim is responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in U.S history, even though Muslims make up less 1 percent of The U.S population.
     
    Overachievers, Jeff. Model immigrant minority. Talented tenth of a tenth.
  37. @Tiny Duck
    Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it's all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Replies: @e, @biz, @Tony, @anon, @Anonymous

    Who says that?

    Also when was the last time some shitfuck white person committed violence on behalf of Jesus? Some abortion clinic bombing in the 90s? Get with the times.

  38. @shk12344
    It's been a horrible day for the "NARRATIVE"

    First the terror attack in Orlando is perpetrated by a Muslim against Gays.

    Second white man named James Howell, who was arrested in Los Angeles for planning a terrorist attack during Gay parade, turns out to be HOMOSEXUAL.

    Funny thing is liberal will still blame white, heterosexual, conservative, Christian males for both attacks.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @Big Bill

    And they are doubtless both Democrats. What is it about the Democratic Party and other apocalyptic religions? Why not ban Democrats from owning guns?

  39. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    Is that ALL you’ve got? Sorry, no guilt here. Go elsewhere.

  40. @AP
    @27 year old

    That and no gun control. Anything but militant Islam.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    The no gun control angle is threadbare before the day it happened is out. Literally less than a year ago this happened in France where they have much stricter gun control. Gun laws are no protection from these lunatics. It’s almost as if these muslims are… Homicidal maniacs… Who don’t care about the laws… Who think that they have been commanded by God to do this stuff.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @415 reasons

    Obviously we need to make it illegal for Democrats to own guns.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  41. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    It seems probable that it will happen again:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/12/afghanistan-migration-surging-america-99-support-sharia-law/

    Do they have a question in the applications that ask the Afghans whether or not they want to kill gays?

    • Replies: @anon
    @The most deplorable one

    And yet I would bet my bottom dollar the vast majority of LGBT's and their official groups are all pro-diversity, pro-immigration leftist voters.

  42. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    “And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.”

    Pointed out by whom? You? I read an account that stated that he went on the Hajj to Mecca a few years ago and came back very religious.

  43. Seems like the narrative party lines developing are these:

    1. Blame the NRA

    2. Blame Donald Trump

    3. Blame homophobia in the generic

    4. Blame hate in the generic

    5. Blame hate on social media in the generic

    6. Scream about values and “that’s not who we are”

    7. Dredge up something that Pat Robertson said about gays in 1984

    8. Trot out a bunch of stooge astroturf gay/Muslim intersectional activists

  44. This could very well be a case of a pathologically homophobic Muslim gone crazy, but I’m not ruling out jilted lover either. The fellow grew up in the US – in NY – so it’s not like he’s a stranger to gays. His father is a grade A piece of work who thinks he’s the president of Afghanistan, according to WaPo. The killer’s marriage lasted a few months and ended in wife beating. Was she not man enough for him? (A lover spurned?) he drove all the way to Orlando like the diaper lady on steroids. To me, he seems like an overly juiced young male with a Pashtun-style sexual identity crisis he wanted to keep secret – permanently. Terrorism, perhaps, was just a convenient cover story that even he wanted to believe.

  45. The only way there will be no frontlash is if the body count is orders of magnitude higher, I am talking about something like a thousand a day casualties on average. Until such numbers are reached expect the now standard frontlash to all these events.

  46. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Man, you got the Salon narrative perfectly! Waitasec … you don’t work for them, do you?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    I checked the salon site to see if they had any stories along these lines and not even they are that self-hating. They said that ALL religions, including Islam, should cut down on anti-gay bigotry.

    The only way to blame this on white men is to tie your reasoning up like an ideological pretzel. Back in the day, the left was pretty good at deflecting blame back onto the US - if Cuba was a poor repressive state, that was America's fault, etc. But this goes so far against common sense that it will never fly except with maybe the leftmost 1% of American voters.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  47. @Pat Casey
    Fox News reported that the FBI interviewed the murderer ---twice. If that is true, this must rank: BIGGEST FBI F-Up EVER. One can only hope it teaches them more than ever. But I don't think the FBI needs to be taught about the perils of anti-Islamophobia. Because I also heard reported today that as of now 101 ISIS affiliates have been arrested inside this country. Did anybody know that before now? I don't recall hearing about anybody like that who's been arrested before the fact of terrorism, I don't recall hearing with any regularity about federal prosecutors grandstanding with nice and tidy evidence, probable cause and such. Which probably suggests the FBI does not suffer anti-Islamophobia fools gladly, ya know. My hunch is that what the FBI has to learn from this tragedy is that, sometimes, the motherfucker who talks the most actually means it the most. That, or the old tricks of the trade that toe the line on entrapment need perfecting.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Because I also heard reported today that as of now 101 ISIS affiliates have been arrested inside this country. Did anybody know that before now?”

    A lot of those cases, perhaps a majority of them, were probably put-up jobs – entrapment cases, where they induce some stupid schmo to take a fake bomb and drive it to a park/synagogue/federal-building, etc. The FBI and DoJ loves those kind of cases because they don’t involve a lot of hard work, but they yield collars and convictions – promotions all round. These are government employees we’re talking about, after all.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  48. Some parallels to the Tsarnaevs are disturbing. This animals’s family emigrated in the 1980s from Afghanistan, and dear old dad seems to be connected. Highly doubtful he got into the US at the height of the Soviet involvement there without some CIA help, much like the Boston scumbag’s uncle’s various hooks. And once again, he was on the FBI’s radar, but they did nothing. Possible FBI agents were rightly in fear of being subject to career suicide (ISLAMOPHOBIA WORSE THAN DEAD AMERICANS!) did nothing, And as likely the PC nature of the Obama Administration was a further current to do nothing default. The FBI is now very good at showing up afterward wearing raid jackets, today’s edition in central Florida heat. Proactive intervention is not part of their job description. And as to the blue side of the political divide, they cannot wait for the candlelight vigils, mournful music and somber speeches about…I have no idea how these scumbags get away with this.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Bugg


    Some parallels to the Tsarnaevs are disturbing.
     
    I noticed another parallel. The shooter's father:

    Mateen's father is Seddique Mir Mateen, who hosted a TV show called Durand Jirga Show on satellite television Payam-e-Afghan in 2015 representing himself as a candidate for the President of Afghanistan.
     
    The Texas Clock Boy's father:

    he ran against Umar al-Bashir for the office of Sudan President in both 2010 and 2015.[6][1] An April 2015 Bloomberg Business report stated that of President Umar al-Bashir's competitors, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed "had the most ambitious agenda".
     
    How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now? People are talking about the ticket agent afraid to report the 9-11 bombers. Well, the Texas school teachers who reported a new Muslim kid with what looked exactly like a bomb were the subject of a national hate campaign.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  49. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    He was NOT homophobic! He killed them out of “compassion” as his Orlando-area imam taught him:

    https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/06/12/orlando-night-club-attack-by-known-wolf-terrorist-previously-investigated-by-fbi/

  50. Sons of immigrants get the job done. (/grim Swiftian satire)

  51. @Tiny Duck
    Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it's all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Replies: @e, @biz, @Tony, @anon, @Anonymous

    Yeah because the Imam from this douche’s mosque and his followers all support the killing of infidels. There’s tens of thousands of ISIS members who applaud this guy. No supporters of Jesus encourage and lend support to these white maniacs.

  52. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    No , more gun control . Another example of why the law abiding public needs to be disarmed .

  53. @Felix.
    In the tradition of Steve's classic "Health Czar" compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American.

    Omar "Holy war on the dance floor" Mateen
    Omar "No Homo" Mateen
    Omar "HIV Positive discrimination" Mateen
    Omar "Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it" Mateen
    Omar "One Man Homocaust" Mateen
    Omar "Shots are on me" Mateen
    Omar "Terror raids on gay parades" Mateen
    Omar "you'll be sore in the morning" Mateen
    Omar "Closer of closets" Mateen
    Omar "Drag Queen vs AR-15" Mateen
    Omar " Blastin´ and Fastin´ " Mateen
    Omar "LGBTBBQ" Mateen
    Omar "50 shades of gay" Mateen
    Omar "No immunity for the gay community" Mateen
    Omar "Born this way? Then you die today" Mateen
    Omar "the Penetrator, no homo" Mateen
    Omar "God Slay The Queen" Mateen
    Omar "goes commando in Orlando" Mateen

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Harry Baldwin

    I guess it’s good he didn’t live much longer, or he probably would’ve taken a flight north, next. If there’s anything more disgusting than homosexuality, its got to be beastiality, something the Canucks have now legalized.

    Are we in a cultural marxist ‘limbo’ game of how low can they go? Honestly, what’s next? Actually, scratch that, don’t want to know.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Grandpa Jack

    When did the Canucks legalize beastiality?

  54. I have relatives who reside in a suburb of Orlando called Winter Park, which is a 15 to 20 minute drive to the Gay night club The Pulse where this massacre occurred.

    I wonder if this tragedy will help Donald Trump win Florida in November?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jefferson

    "I wonder if this tragedy will help Donald Trump win Florida in November?"

    I really hate the use of that word "tragedy". It used to have a specific literary meaning before news people got hold of it. Now it has joined the stilted, euphemistic lexicon of hacky journalists, which is to say, for the most part, journalists. "Tragedies" occur, violence erupts, agreements are hammered out, etc.

    I think the word you're looking for is "crime", "enormity", "atrocity", etc.

  55. @The Undiscovered Jew
    In response to these unprovoked attacks by Islam it's time for America to step up and double our efforts dedicated to the sacred cause of defending Israel.

    Replies: @Hubbub, @donut, @SFG, @anon

    F**k that shit , that’s how we got here in the first place . No foreign engagements .

  56. My wife, who is originally from Haiti, but has lived more than half her life in the Dominican Republic, had a typically sensible response. She asked “where was the nightclub security?”

    In the Dominican Republic every tourist hotel and even many apartment blocks have a night security guard with a long gun as a deterrent to thieves, and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don’t go anywhere themselves without armed guards, armed security in places where people congregate is incredibly feeble or nonexistent and only one out of 32 gun deaths is a justified or defensive shooting.

    Where there is security, the whole process is corrupt too. For example when I rented my current apartment in a gated complex in Florida, I was told that there is a cop who lives on campus rent free so that at least there is a hired gun to protect residents. No word on whether the cop declares his rent free apartment as income.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    "...............and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don’t go anywhere themselves without armed guards,.................."

    It was not "notoriously corrupt federal legislators" who gave us "incredibly lax gun laws" - it was the state legislators who ratified the 2nd amendment back in the 18th century. You must be british to have such an ignorant Piers Morgan / The Economist-like misunderstanding of America's laws and customs.

    , @27 year old
    @Jonathan Mason

    Bouncers get laid a lot too, a truly corrupt system indeed

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Jonathan Mason

    US gun laws are incredibly strict by Constitutional standards.
    Most defensive firearms uses don't result in the weapon being fired.

  57. Even if we did have gun control, Obama’s Justice Department would screw it up by making it illegal to notice that certain groups commit more acts of gun violence than others.

  58. Jews have a solution for Muslim diversity conflicting with sexual degeneracy: taking your gun.

  59. @MikeJa
    There's an opening for somebody to propose banning Muslims AND assault weapons

    Replies: @newrouter, @candid_observer, @Das

    > AND assault weapons<

    semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @newrouter

    That is just terminology. Isn't it true that semiautomatic weapons can fire a large number of bullets in a short period of time? How easy is it for a group of unarmed people to disarm someone with a semiautomatic weapon? How many shots could he get off before someone grabbed his weapon?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @newrouter

    "semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars."

    During the American Revolution, muskets were "assault weapons", in the sense of being a standard infantry soldiers weapon. The term doesn't really mean anything substantive. But, yes, the standard definition is a semi-auto rifle with select-fire auto or burst-fire.

    , @The most deplorable one
    @newrouter

    They have that covered. They are now talking about assault-like semi-automatic weapons.

  60. It seems pretty apparent that this guy was mentally ill, probably with a mood disorder, or had a severe personality disorder, but the fact that the FBI interviewed him a couple of times and let him go is more an indication of how completely inadequate the US legal system is for dealing with mass murderers who can freely buy military style weapons and ammunition as long as they don’t have a criminal record.

    It is the Republican and the Democrat legislators and the Supreme Court who are at fault in enabling mass murderers and terrorists.

    However crimes like this will actually boost the guns industry as security firms will surely now have to weapon up more to defend against criminals armed with military style weapons made in America. Tasers are probably not enough.

    • Replies: @Felix.
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you hate gun rights and other freedoms we enjoy in the United States feel free to take a hike to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Sounds like you, you lucky fellow, have some connection to both places that you can exploit for fun and profit. See ya!

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @The Only Catholic Unionist
    @Jonathan Mason

    "military style weapons"??? What the fritos is that supposed to mean. Semi-Automatic? Black and scaaaaarrrrrrryyyyy-looking?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes, as Felix said, if our gun laws give you the vapors, you are free to go elsewhere.

    Do so. You won't be missed.

  61. @Dave B
    I wonder how the PC crowd will react - will they pander to the gays or to the Muslims? Or try their best to pander to both as they usually do? I hope I live long enough to see these morons finally understand that being tolerant of intolerant people has an inherent problem. On that day heads will be exploding all over places where Democrats convene.

    Replies: @donut, @anon

    ” I hope I live long enough to see these morons finally understand that being tolerant of intolerant people has an inherent problem.”

    God himself won’t live that long .

  62. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    You need to put a (/sarc) after that or people will think you’re a whack job.

    As a friend recently wrote, “It’s becoming harder and harder to distinguish The Onion from the New York Times.

    Today we saw BO stand up and give his typical tele-prompted address on this atrocity without once mentioning the sick religion that motivated it.

    Any non-Muslim (Religion of peace! Right!) who’s not seriously thinking of voting for Trump after this either has a death wish or has serious problems dealing with reality.

  63. But, but … pinkwashing!1!!!eleventy!!!!

  64. How is it that there are “gay nightclubs”? Are there straight nightclubs?

  65. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    “Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind.”

    A homosexual is not a civilian to Islam. A homosexual is engaged in war as an enemy of Allah, thus a valid target for jihad. So are you.

    For that matter, “civilians” are only Muslims who are following Sharia. So… Good luck.

  66. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    There are stories that he called 911 to attest to his loyalty to ISIS. Perhaps a bit early to say though.

    Are you a troll or for real ?

  67. @Jefferson
    The Big Four States in The U.S (Florida, California, Texas, and New York) have now all personally experienced the aswesomeness that is the religion of peace.

    Replies: @Travis

    good point. This latest terrorist attack will result in Florida going for Trump in November.
    If the democrats keep up with the anti-gun narrative it will help Trump win Pennsylvania. Looking more and more likely that Trump will be the next President. The democrats have no rational method of response. Most Americans will correctly see this as another Islamic attack against Americans.

  68. A one-way ticket is a red flag in the airline industry that goes back before 9/11 I think.

    You would have been questioned in Europe by security in the 90’s for that I am pretty sure.

    It’s amazing they bought one-way tickets and not round- trip.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Ttjy

    One way tix?
    They blew the return ticket cost on all the lap dances in Las Vegas, and had to come in under budget.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Ttjy

    I once had to fly somewhere one-way, as I was driving back. This was about a year after 9/11. I just bought a round-trip fare and didn't use the return ticket, so as not to get the extra-special gestapo treatment at the airport. It was cheaper too. It's often (perhaps usually) cheaper to buy a round-trip fare than a one-way. I read once that airlines were trying to clamp down on people who do what I did, as they felt that we were ripping them off. Why it is ripping them off to only take half of what they sell me, I don't know. Nor do I care. F**k the airlines.

    And, of course, the TSA continued to flag one-way tickets long after 9/11; they were too stupid to figure out that terrorists would just start buying round-trip tickets too.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Ttjy

  69. @Jonathan Mason
    It seems pretty apparent that this guy was mentally ill, probably with a mood disorder, or had a severe personality disorder, but the fact that the FBI interviewed him a couple of times and let him go is more an indication of how completely inadequate the US legal system is for dealing with mass murderers who can freely buy military style weapons and ammunition as long as they don't have a criminal record.

    It is the Republican and the Democrat legislators and the Supreme Court who are at fault in enabling mass murderers and terrorists.

    However crimes like this will actually boost the guns industry as security firms will surely now have to weapon up more to defend against criminals armed with military style weapons made in America. Tasers are probably not enough.

    Replies: @Felix., @The Only Catholic Unionist, @Mr. Anon

    If you hate gun rights and other freedoms we enjoy in the United States feel free to take a hike to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Sounds like you, you lucky fellow, have some connection to both places that you can exploit for fun and profit. See ya!

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Felix.

    No, I am saying they have guns in the Dominican Republic. Why did the security at the Orlando nightclub not have guns, or did they?

  70. @Tiny Duck
    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam says that to kill a civilian is to kill all mankind. And as it has been pointed out, his father and ex-wife both said that he was not very religious, but that he was extremely homophobic.

    This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes. Thus d a textbook example of why we NEED more immigration and need t encourage white girls to hear children of color. As long as white men hold power more innocents will die

    Thank you white men. Thank you white Christians. Thank you for murdering 50 people you scumbags

    Replies: @e, @Mr. Anon, @Big Bill, @Big Bill, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Warner, @AKAHorace, @Grandpa Jack

    “This tragedy was caused by the climate of hate created by white makes [sic].”
    -Sure, its been “white” men who have been running the entertainment industry that’s been making gay jokes, and before that, black jokes; and “white” men in the media stirring up civil unrest at every turn in minorities.

    And “white” men like you, who have been pining for increasing diversity, bringing in people like Omar into the US, pretending everyone is exactly the same in every way, and dropping him into a community with a gay bar and pretending that homosexuality isn’t considered a horrific insult against God punishable by death in his family’s homeland. Sure, nothing at all to do with Islam, troll. Its interesting that there’s a certain country much closer in the Middle East that never seems to come up when concerns about opening up the borders of first world nations comes up.

    White Christian nations have been nearly the only ones that have shown tolerance towards gays. But never mind facts, right?

  71. @newrouter
    @MikeJa

    > AND assault weapons<

    semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Mr. Anon, @The most deplorable one

    That is just terminology. Isn’t it true that semiautomatic weapons can fire a large number of bullets in a short period of time? How easy is it for a group of unarmed people to disarm someone with a semiautomatic weapon? How many shots could he get off before someone grabbed his weapon?

  72. @Felix.
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you hate gun rights and other freedoms we enjoy in the United States feel free to take a hike to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Sounds like you, you lucky fellow, have some connection to both places that you can exploit for fun and profit. See ya!

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    No, I am saying they have guns in the Dominican Republic. Why did the security at the Orlando nightclub not have guns, or did they?

  73. @Anonymous

    Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim.
     
    I wonder what the racial comments were. I'm guessing Gilroy is black - lots of security guards seem to be black - and Mateen made negative comments about blacks. The nightclub he shot up seemed to be a Hispanic/black club.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @CJ

    You sure are lazy.

    Dan Gilroy got into trouble in 2007 when he arrested a 15 year-old black girl.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/fort-pierce-police-conduct-internal-investigation-into-officers-taped-arrest-of-15-year-old-ep-40547-349413971.html

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Anonymous

    Thanks, 1st time I've seen that. Most remarkable thing to me was her plaint, "I'm not tryin' to go to jail." I've seen that same thing from blacks many times on the First 48. A murder suspect in the station for interrogation says, "I ain't even tryin' go to jail," as if that's supposed to persuade a cop he's on the wrong trail. How'd they come up with that formulation, anyway?

  74. @MikeJa
    There's an opening for somebody to propose banning Muslims AND assault weapons

    Replies: @newrouter, @candid_observer, @Das

    To mess with progressive heads, I once proposed that the right solution is to ban Muslims from getting guns — or at least assault weapons.

    For some reason, I couldn’t get a coherent answer out of them.

  75. @Intelligent Dasein
    It's one of life's mysterious questions in the "when a tree falls in a forest" vein: When Muslims slaughter gays, whose side has a better claim to Bath House Barry Soetero's sympathies? Our little mulatto Farquaad must be awfully conflicted over this one. What, indeed, will he do?

    Well, now we know the answer: He blames guns.

    There are many, many rays of truth that need to be shone on this despicable act, and I am confident that over the next few days, the alt-right will shine them. God bless Unz and his bloggers, Drudge, Vdare, Breitbart, and the ever-prescient Pat Buchanan. God bless and protect Donald Trump.

    I have only one thing to add at the moment, and it is this: The narrative is not going to work this time. God has granted the Loony Left only so much time to run about the world unabated, and now the mandate of heaven has been withdrawn. The still, small voice in my gut tells me that the tide is turning.

    We are looking at a very likely Brexit and a Trump presidential victory, but these will be only the beginning of the battle not the end. Like Lexington and Concord, these will be the shots heard round the world that initiate the next great historical discontinuity. The decisive battle of our age has begun.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    a Trump presidential victory

    I think the moment is indeed ripe for that. But Trump has no national campaign organization, no ground game, and no digital GOTV operation. Hillary either has developed those things or is inheriting the balance from Barack. Trump has yet to realize that you can’t beat something with nothing.

    McCain didn’t build a national electronic GOTV system. Romney didn’t build it. His Highness Prince Rebus didn’t built it. The political equivalent of criminal negligence for eight years running.

    And Trump seems a bit reluctant to throw his wealth at the problem–perhaps because he’s not as rich as he claims, though probably because he’s not liquid and he wants to leave a bunch for his kids.

    (One thing that impressed me about Bloomberg’s abortive run was that he truly seemed willing to dump huge amounts of money into running–if he thought he had an actual chance of winning. Of course, his net worth has expanded hugely in the last decade. Is Bloomberg News really that valuable?)

    • Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur
    @Percy Gryce


    And Trump seems a bit reluctant to throw his wealth at the problem–perhaps because he’s not as rich as he claims, though probably because he’s not liquid and he wants to leave a bunch for his kids.

    (One thing that impressed me about Bloomberg’s abortive run was that he truly seemed willing to dump huge amounts of money into running–if he thought he had an actual chance of winning. Of course, his net worth has expanded hugely in the last decade. Is Bloomberg News really that valuable?)
     
    I still doubt Trump will win, partly for the reasons you list. But I admire his loyalty to his family. I have nothing but contempt for people like Bloomberg, Buffett, and Gates who value their own lives infinitely more their descendants. That kind of thinking is causing most of the problems in the civilized world.
  76. @Jonathan Mason
    My wife, who is originally from Haiti, but has lived more than half her life in the Dominican Republic, had a typically sensible response. She asked "where was the nightclub security?"

    In the Dominican Republic every tourist hotel and even many apartment blocks have a night security guard with a long gun as a deterrent to thieves, and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don't go anywhere themselves without armed guards, armed security in places where people congregate is incredibly feeble or nonexistent and only one out of 32 gun deaths is a justified or defensive shooting.

    Where there is security, the whole process is corrupt too. For example when I rented my current apartment in a gated complex in Florida, I was told that there is a cop who lives on campus rent free so that at least there is a hired gun to protect residents. No word on whether the cop declares his rent free apartment as income.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @27 year old, @Chris Mallory

    “……………and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don’t go anywhere themselves without armed guards,………………”

    It was not “notoriously corrupt federal legislators” who gave us “incredibly lax gun laws” – it was the state legislators who ratified the 2nd amendment back in the 18th century. You must be british to have such an ignorant Piers Morgan / The Economist-like misunderstanding of America’s laws and customs.

  77. @Jonathan Mason
    It seems pretty apparent that this guy was mentally ill, probably with a mood disorder, or had a severe personality disorder, but the fact that the FBI interviewed him a couple of times and let him go is more an indication of how completely inadequate the US legal system is for dealing with mass murderers who can freely buy military style weapons and ammunition as long as they don't have a criminal record.

    It is the Republican and the Democrat legislators and the Supreme Court who are at fault in enabling mass murderers and terrorists.

    However crimes like this will actually boost the guns industry as security firms will surely now have to weapon up more to defend against criminals armed with military style weapons made in America. Tasers are probably not enough.

    Replies: @Felix., @The Only Catholic Unionist, @Mr. Anon

    “military style weapons”??? What the fritos is that supposed to mean. Semi-Automatic? Black and scaaaaarrrrrrryyyyy-looking?

  78. @Dew
    Things are pretty grim here in Orlando. Can't believe this happened now while I was just visiting some relatives in the area.

    Some things to note:

    The Pulse nightclub had a "Latino Night" event at the time of the shooting. There were quite a few Hispanic gays at the club as a result. Its not just Islam vs. Gays. It's Islam vs. LGBT people of color. Much more complicated for leftists to defend Islam in this case without resorting to their typical gun control defenses.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140
    Check out the above link and listen to 3:20 onwards. Two clubbers barricaded the emergency exit door after they escaped. They were trying to save their own hides and probably trapped quite a few people which lead to more deaths. Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself? Wouldn't he just try and shoot the door or something?

    Replies: @cipher, @Half Canadian, @Wilkey

    “Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself?”

    Because they’re fags. Out in the open, out on the town fags. Possessed by a worldly spirit that’s half male/half female. Therefore fags do girlish things, but with the strength and aggression of a man. Count on it.

  79. SFG says:
    @Svigor
    Haha, can't remember the last time I saw Drudge lit up like that. Holy Omar.

    Michael Tuohey was going to work like he had for 37 years, but little did he know that this day would change his life forever. On September 11, 2001, Tuohey, a ticket agent for U.S. Airways, checked in terrorist Mohammed Atta for a flight that started a chain of events that would change history.

    Tuohey was working the U.S. Airways first-class check-in desk when two men, Atta and his companion Abdul Azziz-Alomari, approached his counter. From all outward appearances, the men seemed to be normal businessmen, but Tuohey felt something was wrong.

    “I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap…I thought, ‘My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.’”
     
    Has any talking head ever condemned Tuohey for not trusting his instincts? For his part in the chain of failures that allowed Islamic terrorists to murder 3,000+ Americans? If not, I find that pretty interesting. Funny the sorts of abstract connections lefties will condemn people over when it fits their narrative, but a ticket agent saying, "ah, what the hell, go on in" to a man who sent chills up his spine, and later murdered 3k?

    Then his eyes locked on Atta.

    “It just sent chills through you. You see his picture in the paper (now). You see more life in that picture than there is in flesh and blood,” Tuohey said.

    Then Tuohey went through an internal debate that still haunts him.”I said to myself, ‘If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.’ Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said.

    “You’ve checked in hundreds of Arabs and Hindus and Sikhs, and you’ve never done that. I felt kind of embarrassed.”

    It wasn’t just Atta’s demeanor that caught Tuohey’s attention.”When I looked at their tickets, they had first-class, one-way tickets – $2,500 tickets. Very unusual,” he said. “I guess they’re not coming back. Maybe this is the end of their trip.”
     
    Has anyone in the leftist corporate media called him out? Called out the taboo he was obeying? Criticized so-called politically correct culture for this?

    Replies: @SFG

    Naah, it’s one of those bipartisan screwjobs. The left doesn’t want to admit Islamophobia has empirical grounding, and the right feels bad about going after a ‘real American’ doing his job. The smart thing IMHO would be to cast him as a victim of the left’s prejudices. But I’m not that smart (in any practical sense).

  80. @Jonathan Mason
    It seems pretty apparent that this guy was mentally ill, probably with a mood disorder, or had a severe personality disorder, but the fact that the FBI interviewed him a couple of times and let him go is more an indication of how completely inadequate the US legal system is for dealing with mass murderers who can freely buy military style weapons and ammunition as long as they don't have a criminal record.

    It is the Republican and the Democrat legislators and the Supreme Court who are at fault in enabling mass murderers and terrorists.

    However crimes like this will actually boost the guns industry as security firms will surely now have to weapon up more to defend against criminals armed with military style weapons made in America. Tasers are probably not enough.

    Replies: @Felix., @The Only Catholic Unionist, @Mr. Anon

    Yes, as Felix said, if our gun laws give you the vapors, you are free to go elsewhere.

    Do so. You won’t be missed.

  81. The way I see it we’ve killed about 1,000,000 Afghans and they killed 5 or 6 thousand of us, so we’re way ahead.

  82. @The Undiscovered Jew
    In response to these unprovoked attacks by Islam it's time for America to step up and double our efforts dedicated to the sacred cause of defending Israel.

    Replies: @Hubbub, @donut, @SFG, @anon

    You’ve been here enough times I know you’re not a troll…so why are you trolling?

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @SFG

    Irony?

    , @The Undiscovered Jew
    @SFG

    You’ve been here enough times I know you’re not a troll…so why are you trolling?

    I thought Israel would be more compatible with American interests than, say, 1991 Saddam Hussein whom those 'patriotic' paleocons were cheering to crush the US.

    Is there a conflict of interest between the Zionist state that I'm missing?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  83. @SFG
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    You've been here enough times I know you're not a troll...so why are you trolling?

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @The Undiscovered Jew

    Irony?

  84. @newrouter
    @MikeJa

    > AND assault weapons<

    semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Mr. Anon, @The most deplorable one

    “semi automatic weapons are not “assault weapons”. eff the language liars.”

    During the American Revolution, muskets were “assault weapons”, in the sense of being a standard infantry soldiers weapon. The term doesn’t really mean anything substantive. But, yes, the standard definition is a semi-auto rifle with select-fire auto or burst-fire.

  85. Can we read anything into the general intelligence of Afg migrants? The Orlando shooter had not developed any job skills other than security guard? And yet he had a good looking wife.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Steve Richter

    No job skills, and yet somehow has a good-looking wife? Happens more often than you think. I call it the Tsarnaev Syndrome.

  86. @Jefferson
    I have relatives who reside in a suburb of Orlando called Winter Park, which is a 15 to 20 minute drive to the Gay night club The Pulse where this massacre occurred.

    I wonder if this tragedy will help Donald Trump win Florida in November?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “I wonder if this tragedy will help Donald Trump win Florida in November?”

    I really hate the use of that word “tragedy”. It used to have a specific literary meaning before news people got hold of it. Now it has joined the stilted, euphemistic lexicon of hacky journalists, which is to say, for the most part, journalists. “Tragedies” occur, violence erupts, agreements are hammered out, etc.

    I think the word you’re looking for is “crime”, “enormity”, “atrocity”, etc.

  87. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    I am going with Homophobia / hate crime and gun control. The narrative will steer away from characterizing it in any way with Islam.

    In other words they will not say the truth.

  88. @The Undiscovered Jew
    In response to these unprovoked attacks by Islam it's time for America to step up and double our efforts dedicated to the sacred cause of defending Israel.

    Replies: @Hubbub, @donut, @SFG, @anon

    I would cut off funding for Israel in the same breath as cutting off Muslim immigration. Both are bad for Americans.

  89. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    A brief video of Phil Donahue weeping and rending his garments is called for here.

  90. @Percy Gryce
    @Intelligent Dasein


    a Trump presidential victory
     
    I think the moment is indeed ripe for that. But Trump has no national campaign organization, no ground game, and no digital GOTV operation. Hillary either has developed those things or is inheriting the balance from Barack. Trump has yet to realize that you can't beat something with nothing.

    McCain didn't build a national electronic GOTV system. Romney didn't build it. His Highness Prince Rebus didn't built it. The political equivalent of criminal negligence for eight years running.

    And Trump seems a bit reluctant to throw his wealth at the problem--perhaps because he's not as rich as he claims, though probably because he's not liquid and he wants to leave a bunch for his kids.

    (One thing that impressed me about Bloomberg's abortive run was that he truly seemed willing to dump huge amounts of money into running--if he thought he had an actual chance of winning. Of course, his net worth has expanded hugely in the last decade. Is Bloomberg News really that valuable?)

    Replies: @Judah Benjamin Hur

    And Trump seems a bit reluctant to throw his wealth at the problem–perhaps because he’s not as rich as he claims, though probably because he’s not liquid and he wants to leave a bunch for his kids.

    (One thing that impressed me about Bloomberg’s abortive run was that he truly seemed willing to dump huge amounts of money into running–if he thought he had an actual chance of winning. Of course, his net worth has expanded hugely in the last decade. Is Bloomberg News really that valuable?)

    I still doubt Trump will win, partly for the reasons you list. But I admire his loyalty to his family. I have nothing but contempt for people like Bloomberg, Buffett, and Gates who value their own lives infinitely more their descendants. That kind of thinking is causing most of the problems in the civilized world.

  91. @Former Darfur
    Not all Muslims go on shooting sprees and kill people, not all pit bulls maul or kill children, and not all pet felids of the genus Panthera kill, eat, or maul their keepers. I do not wish to exterminate Muslims, pit bulls, or big cats.

    But common sense has to be applied in all three cases, obviously.

    Replies: @anon, @E. Rekshun

    If you can’t tell what snakes are venomous and what ones aren’t, isn’t the best strategy just to avoid all snakes altogether?

  92. Nothing to worry about. I was listening to Meet the Press this morning (had the TV on but was listening, not watching, as I worked on the computer) and heard one of the panelists (she sounded Black) insist the attack on the gay club in Orlando was not like San Bernadino at all but more like the church shooting in Charleston, S.C. or the shooting atSandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut last year. (I believe both of those were perpetrated by white guys, not Islamic terrorists.) In fact, I heard later in the morning on the local ABC station that it was ruled to be a case of “domestic terrorism.” It turns out that shooter was born in NYC back in 1987 to two Afghani immigrant parents, so, under the reading of the 14th Amendment which Anne Coulter and Donald Trump have challenged, he is regarded as a U.S. citizen, hence the “domestic terrorism” label. The desperation of these people who are deathly afraid of Donald Trump to avoid labeling this shooting as having anything to do with Islam is almost hilarious, if it weren’t so serious. (It does raise the question of why in the world we are admitting anybody from Afghanistan to the U.S. Afghanistan seems like a perfectly good country to practice Islam.)

  93. @Jonathan Mason
    My wife, who is originally from Haiti, but has lived more than half her life in the Dominican Republic, had a typically sensible response. She asked "where was the nightclub security?"

    In the Dominican Republic every tourist hotel and even many apartment blocks have a night security guard with a long gun as a deterrent to thieves, and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don't go anywhere themselves without armed guards, armed security in places where people congregate is incredibly feeble or nonexistent and only one out of 32 gun deaths is a justified or defensive shooting.

    Where there is security, the whole process is corrupt too. For example when I rented my current apartment in a gated complex in Florida, I was told that there is a cop who lives on campus rent free so that at least there is a hired gun to protect residents. No word on whether the cop declares his rent free apartment as income.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @27 year old, @Chris Mallory

    Bouncers get laid a lot too, a truly corrupt system indeed

  94. @SFG
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    You've been here enough times I know you're not a troll...so why are you trolling?

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @The Undiscovered Jew

    You’ve been here enough times I know you’re not a troll…so why are you trolling?

    I thought Israel would be more compatible with American interests than, say, 1991 Saddam Hussein whom those ‘patriotic’ paleocons were cheering to crush the US.

    Is there a conflict of interest between the Zionist state that I’m missing?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    "I thought Israel would be more compatible with American interests than, say, 1991 Saddam Hussein whom those ‘patriotic’ paleocons were cheering to crush the US."

    A complete fabrication. Name one.

  95. CJ says:
    @Anonymous

    Gilroy, a former Fort Pierce police officer, said Mateen frequently made homophobic and racial comments. Gilroy said he complained to his employer several times but it did nothing because he was Muslim.
     
    I wonder what the racial comments were. I'm guessing Gilroy is black - lots of security guards seem to be black - and Mateen made negative comments about blacks. The nightclub he shot up seemed to be a Hispanic/black club.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @CJ

    Gilroy is not black. Here he is on YouTube in 2007:

    Florida Cop Punches, Pepper Sprays 15 Yr Old Curfew Breaker

    Caption: Videotaped on July 14, 2007 in Fort Pierce, Florida, after officer Daniel Gilroy detains15 yr old Shelwand Riley for questioning, on the suspicion that she is breaking curfew.

  96. Steve:

    > Similarly, during the second presidential debate in 2000,
    > George W. Bush denounced ethnic profiling at airports of Arab passengers.

    It’s worth giving a solid primary reference for this. As you well know, simple googling just sends you down a rabbit-hole of iSteve columns.

    Relevant excerpt from the second presidential debate in 2000:

    MODERATOR: First, a couple of follow-ups from the vice presidential debate last week. Vice President Gore, would you support or sign, as president, a federal law banning racial profiling by police and other authorities at all levels of government?

    GORE: Yes, I would. The only thing an executive order can accomplish is to ban it in federal law enforcement agencies, but I would also support a law in the Congress that would have the effect of doing the same thing. I just — I think that racial profiling is a serious problem. I remember when the stories first came out about the stops in New Jersey by the highway patrol there. And I know it’s been going on a long time. In some ways this is just a new label for something that has been going on for years. But I have to confess that it was the first time that I really focused on it in a new way. And I was surprised at the extent of it. And I think we’ve now got so many examples around the country that we really have to find ways to end this. Imagine what it — what it is like for someone to be singled out unfairly, unjustly, and feel the unfair force of law simply because of race or ethnicity. Now, that runs counter to what the United States of America is all about at our core. And it’s not an easy problem to solve. But if I am entrusted with the presidency, it will be the first Civil Rights Act of the 21st century.

    BUSH: Yeah, I can’t imagine what it would be like to be singled out because of race and stopped and harassed. That’s just flat wrong, and that’s not what America is all about. And so we ought to do everything we can to end racial profiling. One of my concerns, though, is I don’t want to federalize the local police forces. I want to — obviously in the egregious cases we need to enforce civil rights law, but we need to make sure that internal affairs divisions at the local level do their job and be given a chance to do their job. I believe in local control of governments, and obviously if they don’t there needs to be a consequence at the federal level. But it’s very important that we not overstep our bounds and I think most people — most police officers are good, dedicated, honorable citizens who are doing their job, putting their lives at risk who aren’t bigoted or aren’t prejudiced. I don’t think they ought to be held guilty. But I do think we need to find out where racial profiling occurs and do something about it and say to the local folks, get it done. And if you can’t, there will be a federal consequence.

    MODERATOR: And that could be a federal law?

    BUSH: Yeah.

    MODERATOR: And you would agree?

    GORE: I would agree. And I also agree that most police officers, of course, are doing a good job and hate this practice also. I talked to an African-American police officer in Springfield, Massachusetts not long ago who raised this question and said that in his opinion one of the biggest solutions is in the training. And not only the training in police procedures, but human relations. And I think that racial profiling is part of a larger issue of how we deal with race in America. And as for singling people out because of race, you know, James Byrd was singled out because of his race in Texas. And other Americans have been singled out because of their race or ethnicity. And that’s why I think we can embody our values by passing a hate crimes law. I think these crimes are different. I think they’re different because they’re based on prejudice and hatred, which gives rise to crimes that have not just a single victim, but they’re intended to stigmatize and dehumanize a whole group of people.

    MODERATOR: You have a different view of that.

    BUSH: No, I don’t, really.

    MODERATOR: On hate crimes laws?

    BUSH: No. We’ve got one in Texas. And guess what? The three men who murdered James Byrd, guess what’s going to happen to them? They’re going to be put to death. A jury found them guilty. It’s going to be hard to punish them any worse after they get put to death. And it’s the right cause. It’s the right decision. Secondly, there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what is called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we have to do something about that. My friend, Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, is pushing a law to make sure that Arab-Americans are treated with respect. So racial profiling isn’t just an issue at local police forces. It’s an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we’re going to have to deal with it more and more. I believe, though — I believe, as sure as I’m sitting here, that most Americans really care. They’re tolerant people. They’re good, tolerant people. It’s the very few that create most of the crises, and we just have to find them and deal with them.

    http://www.debates.org/?page=october-11-2000-debate-transcript

    It would also be nice to have a solid reference for:

    > When [Bush] became President, he had Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta
    > launch a campaign against heightened scrutiny of terrorist-looking passengers.

    I’ll look around…

    • Replies: @res
    @European-American

    Thanks for the reference.

    Below is not a primary source, but this might help find one for Mineta:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta


    On September 21, 2001, Mineta sent a letter to all U.S. airlines forbidding them from practicing racial profiling; or subjecting Middle Eastern or Muslim passengers to a heightened degree of pre-flight scrutiny. He stated that it was illegal for the airlines to discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin or religion. Subsequently, administrative enforcement actions were brought against three different airlines based on alleged contraventions of these rules, resulting in multimillion-dollar settlements. He showed his intention "absolutely not" to implement racial screenings in reply to the question from Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes right after 9-11. He later recalled his decision "was the right thing (and) constitutional", based on his own experience as one of Japanese-Americans, those who had "lost the most basic human rights" by being discriminated against and interned during the Pacific War.
     
    More at http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24408/

    A good word to search for is "scrutiny." Finding that letter to the airlines would be a good primary reference.

    Replies: @European-American

  97. Workplace violence worked for Fort Hood. Could it be rolled out again here?

  98. @Tiny Duck
    Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it's all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Replies: @e, @biz, @Tony, @anon, @Anonymous

    “When some white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.”

    Mind giving some examples of your alleged white guys who did something similar in the name of Jesus, my brown Muslim troll?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @anon

    "Mind giving some examples of your alleged white guys who did something similar in the name of Jesus, my brown Muslim troll?"

    He will probably name Timothy McVeigh as an example of a so-called "Christian terrorist", even though it has been debunked that Timothy killed in the name of Jesus Christ. McVeigh was no bible thumper like Pastor Joel Osteen. Timothy hated The U.S government for strictly secular reasons, not religious reasons.

    Saying Timothy McVeigh was an example of a Christian terrorist, is like saying the Black football player Mario Balotelli is an example of what Native Indigenous Italians look like.

  99. @Hubbub
    @The Undiscovered Jew

    But...but...but who will defend us?

    Replies: @The Undiscovered Jew

    But…but…but who will defend us?

    The God of Israel. Don’t you have faith in our God?

  100. @Intelligent Dasein
    It's one of life's mysterious questions in the "when a tree falls in a forest" vein: When Muslims slaughter gays, whose side has a better claim to Bath House Barry Soetero's sympathies? Our little mulatto Farquaad must be awfully conflicted over this one. What, indeed, will he do?

    Well, now we know the answer: He blames guns.

    There are many, many rays of truth that need to be shone on this despicable act, and I am confident that over the next few days, the alt-right will shine them. God bless Unz and his bloggers, Drudge, Vdare, Breitbart, and the ever-prescient Pat Buchanan. God bless and protect Donald Trump.

    I have only one thing to add at the moment, and it is this: The narrative is not going to work this time. God has granted the Loony Left only so much time to run about the world unabated, and now the mandate of heaven has been withdrawn. The still, small voice in my gut tells me that the tide is turning.

    We are looking at a very likely Brexit and a Trump presidential victory, but these will be only the beginning of the battle not the end. Like Lexington and Concord, these will be the shots heard round the world that initiate the next great historical discontinuity. The decisive battle of our age has begun.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The decisive battle of our age has begun.

    It looks like John Cleese is getting into the spirit.

  101. @Felix.
    In the tradition of Steve's classic "Health Czar" compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American.

    Omar "Holy war on the dance floor" Mateen
    Omar "No Homo" Mateen
    Omar "HIV Positive discrimination" Mateen
    Omar "Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it" Mateen
    Omar "One Man Homocaust" Mateen
    Omar "Shots are on me" Mateen
    Omar "Terror raids on gay parades" Mateen
    Omar "you'll be sore in the morning" Mateen
    Omar "Closer of closets" Mateen
    Omar "Drag Queen vs AR-15" Mateen
    Omar " Blastin´ and Fastin´ " Mateen
    Omar "LGBTBBQ" Mateen
    Omar "50 shades of gay" Mateen
    Omar "No immunity for the gay community" Mateen
    Omar "Born this way? Then you die today" Mateen
    Omar "the Penetrator, no homo" Mateen
    Omar "God Slay The Queen" Mateen
    Omar "goes commando in Orlando" Mateen

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Harry Baldwin

    “In the tradition of Steve’s classic “Health Czar” compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American. ”
    These made me laugh out loud. Thanks!

  102. @Ttjy
    A one-way ticket is a red flag in the airline industry that goes back before 9/11 I think.

    You would have been questioned in Europe by security in the 90's for that I am pretty sure.

    It's amazing they bought one-way tickets and not round- trip.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Mr. Anon

    One way tix?
    They blew the return ticket cost on all the lap dances in Las Vegas, and had to come in under budget.

  103. @Dave B
    I wonder how the PC crowd will react - will they pander to the gays or to the Muslims? Or try their best to pander to both as they usually do? I hope I live long enough to see these morons finally understand that being tolerant of intolerant people has an inherent problem. On that day heads will be exploding all over places where Democrats convene.

    Replies: @donut, @anon

    From what I have seen here from the Canadian mainstream media they are trying very hard to blame it on the gun lobby, Trump, etc. ANYTHING BUT ISLAM seems to be the basic party line for the narrative.

  104. @Jonathan Mason
    My wife, who is originally from Haiti, but has lived more than half her life in the Dominican Republic, had a typically sensible response. She asked "where was the nightclub security?"

    In the Dominican Republic every tourist hotel and even many apartment blocks have a night security guard with a long gun as a deterrent to thieves, and yet in the US, in spite of the incredibly lax gun laws enacted by notoriously corrupt federal legislators who don't go anywhere themselves without armed guards, armed security in places where people congregate is incredibly feeble or nonexistent and only one out of 32 gun deaths is a justified or defensive shooting.

    Where there is security, the whole process is corrupt too. For example when I rented my current apartment in a gated complex in Florida, I was told that there is a cop who lives on campus rent free so that at least there is a hired gun to protect residents. No word on whether the cop declares his rent free apartment as income.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @27 year old, @Chris Mallory

    US gun laws are incredibly strict by Constitutional standards.
    Most defensive firearms uses don’t result in the weapon being fired.

  105. As evidence for this,

    > When [Bush] became President, he had Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta
    > launch a campaign against heightened scrutiny of terrorist-looking passengers.

    I found reference to the survey, but more info about Bush’s role and about the effects would be nice.

    US DOT: DOT investigates passenger security screenings impact on minorities

    Jun 4, 2001 (M2 PRESSWIRE) — The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) began a three-week survey at Detroit Metro Wayne County Airport today to determine whether minority groups are disproportionately selected for additional checked baggage security screening.

    Safety is the Department of Transportation’s highest priority, and routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta said. While the security screening procedures are not based on the race, ethnicity, religion or gender of passengers, we also want to assure that in practice the system does not disproportionately select members of any particular minority group.

    The Computer-Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS) uses information from the airline reservation systems to screen passengers. If not enough is known about a passenger to make a judgment, then additional security measures in the form of bag matching or explosives detection screening of checked baggage are applied. CAPPS also selects some passengers at random by computer for these additional security measures.

    CAPPS was adopted by DOT’s Federal Aviation Administration in late 1997 in response to a recommendation of the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security. A 1997 review of CAPPS by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) found that the procedures and the selection criteria do not discriminate unlawfully against passengers based on their race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or religion. DOJ also found that CAPPS does not include as selection criteria any passenger traits that may be directly associated with prohibited categories, such as passengers’ names or mode of dress. DOJ further expressed its belief that CAPPS will not have any unjustified disparate impact on any group of passengers, but recommended that this issue be closely monitored in the future. Now that CAPPS has been
    in operation for more than three years, the DOT study will determine whther, in practice, minority group members are being selected disproportionately.

    Researchers will collect data on, among other things, the race, religion, national origin, sex and citizenship of passengers boarding certain Northwest Airlines flights leaving Detroit Metro Airport. The department expects to survey more than 300 flights and approximately 40,000 passengers between June 4 and June 29, excluding Sundays.

    The data gathered in Detroit should enable the department to reach conclusions regarding the impact of CAPPS on a number of minority groups, including African Americans and Arab Americans. Further surveys at other airports with other airlines may be needed to obtain necessary data to cover Hispanic and Asian American passengers. If the department finds that a disparate impact does exist, the CAPPS criteria would be reviewed.

    http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/msg15354.html

    I personally would be fine with adding just one word:

    “If the department finds that an unnecessary disparate impact does exist, the CAPPS criteria would be reviewed.”

    … but it’s so much clearer and cleaner and righeous and resolute and easy to evaluate if you just say “no disparate impact, none!”.

  106. @Felix.
    In the tradition of Steve's classic "Health Czar" compilation, here are a few suggestions for an appropriate nom de guerre for our late Islamic Fellow American.

    Omar "Holy war on the dance floor" Mateen
    Omar "No Homo" Mateen
    Omar "HIV Positive discrimination" Mateen
    Omar "Shoot a booty bandit cuz god command it" Mateen
    Omar "One Man Homocaust" Mateen
    Omar "Shots are on me" Mateen
    Omar "Terror raids on gay parades" Mateen
    Omar "you'll be sore in the morning" Mateen
    Omar "Closer of closets" Mateen
    Omar "Drag Queen vs AR-15" Mateen
    Omar " Blastin´ and Fastin´ " Mateen
    Omar "LGBTBBQ" Mateen
    Omar "50 shades of gay" Mateen
    Omar "No immunity for the gay community" Mateen
    Omar "Born this way? Then you die today" Mateen
    Omar "the Penetrator, no homo" Mateen
    Omar "God Slay The Queen" Mateen
    Omar "goes commando in Orlando" Mateen

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Harry Baldwin

    Drudge had this on his site earlier today: “ALLAH-HU-GAYBAR.”
    It now reads “ALLAH-HU-AKBAR.” Not the first time I’ve seen him have second thoughts.

  107. @The most deplorable one
    It seems probable that it will happen again:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/12/afghanistan-migration-surging-america-99-support-sharia-law/

    Do they have a question in the applications that ask the Afghans whether or not they want to kill gays?

    Replies: @anon

    And yet I would bet my bottom dollar the vast majority of LGBT’s and their official groups are all pro-diversity, pro-immigration leftist voters.

  108. @Hubbub
    My wife and I usually discuss, at least briefly, these terrorists' attacks, not from surprise or not understanding. We're not surprised or dumb, but, on the contrary, we're stupefied with disbelief that our public officials, sworn to protect the citizens of the country, continue to propagate this travesty and continue to insure that the United States suffer the fate of the other 'do-good' countries by 'welcoming' these ignorant, neurotic, and psychopathic people into the country.

    Today, we have not discussed or mentioned this murderous jihadic tirade. What's there to say. We know it will continue to happen over and over until we, too, are like Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Our government needs to be purged of the imbeciles, and the Muslims to the last man need to be expelled - yes, even the 'nice Muslim family' that lives next door or down the block from you.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @AndrewR

    Agreed. Muslim immigration is suicidal madness for the west. As Mr. Sailer asked in a post not long ago “Why is there no Muslim terrorism in Japan”?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @anon

    "Agreed. Muslim immigration is suicidal madness for the west. As Mr. Sailer asked in a post not long ago “Why is there no Muslim terrorism in Japan”?"

    The few Muslims residing in Japan are mostly ethnic Japanese converts to Islam, not Arabs or Somalis.

    Japanese are so law abiding that even the few who convert to Islam still do not turn into batshit crazy Jihadists.

  109. @anon
    @Tiny Duck

    "When some white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy."

    Mind giving some examples of your alleged white guys who did something similar in the name of Jesus, my brown Muslim troll?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Mind giving some examples of your alleged white guys who did something similar in the name of Jesus, my brown Muslim troll?”

    He will probably name Timothy McVeigh as an example of a so-called “Christian terrorist”, even though it has been debunked that Timothy killed in the name of Jesus Christ. McVeigh was no bible thumper like Pastor Joel Osteen. Timothy hated The U.S government for strictly secular reasons, not religious reasons.

    Saying Timothy McVeigh was an example of a Christian terrorist, is like saying the Black football player Mario Balotelli is an example of what Native Indigenous Italians look like.

  110. Gimp mask guy, you can’t even get a rise on this one. Muslim terrorist. M-u-s-l-i-m t-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t. That’s what everyone in America is thinking and saying. Muslim terrorist.

  111. “Military style” is meaningless. There are toys at Wal-Mart that are “military style.” Military assault rifles are overwhelmingly select-fire. AR-15s are civilian rifles, not military. But again the distinction isn’t particularly useful; the military uses bolt-action rifles, pump-action shotguns, semi-automatic .22lr pistols, etc. If we’re going to ban all the small arms types that see military use, we’re going to ban them all.

  112. “Military style” select-fire weapons are already banned, except for a few grandfathered in from before the ban. Sure, go ahead, confiscate all the weapons capable of automatic fire. You’ll mobilize a few enthusiasts and ideologues, over weapons that are almost never used in crimes (they’re super-expensive and rare, so people lock them up tight).

  113. OMG, the gunman’s first Uzbek wife, Sitora Yusufiy, is so fucking hot. She’s a total new age flake but I don’t think her wealthy Brazilian CEO fiancé gives a shit. I wouldn’t either.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Pat Gilligan

    I will give you this, if all you see are Bernie supporters of the nominally female variety, Yusufiy is unfeasibly hot.

  114. @Ttjy
    A one-way ticket is a red flag in the airline industry that goes back before 9/11 I think.

    You would have been questioned in Europe by security in the 90's for that I am pretty sure.

    It's amazing they bought one-way tickets and not round- trip.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Mr. Anon

    I once had to fly somewhere one-way, as I was driving back. This was about a year after 9/11. I just bought a round-trip fare and didn’t use the return ticket, so as not to get the extra-special gestapo treatment at the airport. It was cheaper too. It’s often (perhaps usually) cheaper to buy a round-trip fare than a one-way. I read once that airlines were trying to clamp down on people who do what I did, as they felt that we were ripping them off. Why it is ripping them off to only take half of what they sell me, I don’t know. Nor do I care. F**k the airlines.

    And, of course, the TSA continued to flag one-way tickets long after 9/11; they were too stupid to figure out that terrorists would just start buying round-trip tickets too.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Mr. Anon

    You would think a terrorist would buy a round-trip as a matter of course.

    (I presume the airline would rather know you weren't coming back because that gives them a chance to sell that seat).

    , @Ttjy
    @Mr. Anon

    I don't know why it would be "ripping them off" either. They charge so many different fares for the same flight based on when you buy it.

    I don't know what they do now in England, but Britrail would only charge 50 pence more on a round-trip ticket vs a one-way. Not that many people buy 1 way tickets on trains and planes most likely.

  115. Naah, it’s one of those bipartisan screwjobs.

    Yeah, the left runs cover, and the “right” cowers. Still, I’m kinda surprised no one has piped up with a Maher or Coulter quote.

  116. Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it’s all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Which white guy’s religious motives are we refusing to acknowledge, oh moron?

  117. Show us the Muslims loudly denouncing the Imam in Orlando who was recently caught on tape preaching that Islam demands homosexuals be killed.

  118. Das says:
    @MikeJa
    There's an opening for somebody to propose banning Muslims AND assault weapons

    Replies: @newrouter, @candid_observer, @Das

    It’s interesting that liberals are saying about Muslims what Republicans say about guns after every mass shooting.

    “It’s just a few bad apples. We can’t restrict the 2nd amendment (immigration) because… LIBERTY (DIVERSITY)!”

    It seems like being able to go out in public without fear of getting gunned down is an important liberty, and it’s hard to imagine that murdering a mostly Latino group of gays is good for civil rights.

  119. @Jonathan Revusky
    Mr. Sailer, you really seem to be somebody who swallows whatever bullshit is thrown in his general direction -- well, at least, if the bullshit in question is ideologically useful to you...

    A lot of it must be some just absolute ignorance of real history, so you believe the latest "lone nut gunman" story. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 478 times.... WTF... am I stupid or what?

    Mohammed Atta, (what a scary looking guy he was ya-dee-dah....)
     
    Oh, so you still believe that stale bullshit, eh? Look, it's been nearly 15 years now and there is a huge literature on this.There's really no excuse for such a level of willful obtunesness, Mr. Sailer.

    Everybody who has looked into this knows that this whole Osama Bin Laden/Mohammed Atta/Al Qaeda story is just a load of bullshit. Why don't you get educated? WTF is wrong with you? Unlike most of you pathetic fanboys, you're not really stupid per se.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous

    “Oh, so you still believe that stale bullshit, eh? Look, it’s been nearly 15 years now and there is a huge literature on this.There’s really no excuse for such a level of willful obtunesness, Mr. Sailer.”

    Huge literature? That’s an interesting way to describe grainy youtube videos narrated by autistic retards, and the delusional theories of people who think the world works the way it does in comic books.

    Didn’t you storm off in a huff last time you you popped up here and vowed never to return?

  120. This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can’t blame it on HBD.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @unpc downunder


    or Hispanics
     
    Not sure about that. Most of the Latin American countries are very gay friendly despite their conservatism.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @unpc downunder
    @unpc downunder

    On second thoughts this has everything to do with globalist Islam and its desire to creat a global caliphate. I don't want to unduly wind up Steve's Muslim readers.

    , @Jefferson
    @unpc downunder

    "This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can’t blame it on HBD."

    Catholic culture seems to be quite tolerant of Transgenderism and Homosexuality, whether it is Latin America, The Philippines, Italy, France, Portugal, Spain, or Ireland.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  121. @The Undiscovered Jew
    @SFG

    You’ve been here enough times I know you’re not a troll…so why are you trolling?

    I thought Israel would be more compatible with American interests than, say, 1991 Saddam Hussein whom those 'patriotic' paleocons were cheering to crush the US.

    Is there a conflict of interest between the Zionist state that I'm missing?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “I thought Israel would be more compatible with American interests than, say, 1991 Saddam Hussein whom those ‘patriotic’ paleocons were cheering to crush the US.”

    A complete fabrication. Name one.

  122. @Dew
    Things are pretty grim here in Orlando. Can't believe this happened now while I was just visiting some relatives in the area.

    Some things to note:

    The Pulse nightclub had a "Latino Night" event at the time of the shooting. There were quite a few Hispanic gays at the club as a result. Its not just Islam vs. Gays. It's Islam vs. LGBT people of color. Much more complicated for leftists to defend Islam in this case without resorting to their typical gun control defenses.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140
    Check out the above link and listen to 3:20 onwards. Two clubbers barricaded the emergency exit door after they escaped. They were trying to save their own hides and probably trapped quite a few people which lead to more deaths. Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself? Wouldn't he just try and shoot the door or something?

    Replies: @cipher, @Half Canadian, @Wilkey

    Sounds like those two clubbers could be charged with something. Manslaughter? I hope it’s manslaughter.

  123. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @newrouter
    @MikeJa

    > AND assault weapons<

    semi automatic weapons are not "assault weapons". eff the language liars.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Mr. Anon, @The most deplorable one

    They have that covered. They are now talking about assault-like semi-automatic weapons.

  124. @Jonathan Revusky
    Mr. Sailer, you really seem to be somebody who swallows whatever bullshit is thrown in his general direction -- well, at least, if the bullshit in question is ideologically useful to you...

    A lot of it must be some just absolute ignorance of real history, so you believe the latest "lone nut gunman" story. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 478 times.... WTF... am I stupid or what?

    Mohammed Atta, (what a scary looking guy he was ya-dee-dah....)
     
    Oh, so you still believe that stale bullshit, eh? Look, it's been nearly 15 years now and there is a huge literature on this.There's really no excuse for such a level of willful obtunesness, Mr. Sailer.

    Everybody who has looked into this knows that this whole Osama Bin Laden/Mohammed Atta/Al Qaeda story is just a load of bullshit. Why don't you get educated? WTF is wrong with you? Unlike most of you pathetic fanboys, you're not really stupid per se.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous

    I don’t think you’ve thought through this adequately. Let’s say that Mohammed Atta story is wrong… Based on the history of the last 15 years, what is the outcome that was desired from the false flag event? Was it more border control? Was it less Islamic immigration? Was it pulling troops home from places they shouldn’t be overseas?

    You see my point? It doesn’t matter whether 9/11 was a false flag or a real terrorist event. Either way, Steve’s point holds: the standard of security that was in place at the time of the attack was probably adequate, and if we just used common sense, no problem.

    In fact, if you really believe the 9/11 truther stuff, maybe the best way to fight it is by playing along. If “Mohammed Atta was scary-looking” is part of a 9/11-is-real-so-Patriot-Act conspiracy, Steve is using it to undermine the logic of the conspirators. Pretty smart, huh?

    By the way, despite the obvious trolling in your post, I checked out your website link anyway. I don’t have the interest to read all your posts, but he’ something I noticed skimming:

    You see, really, the ISIS beheading videos had to be fake. In fact, some variant of this could, I think be a basic question on a BDQ test:

    Does a political movement ever make propaganda films that are designed to portray themselves as villains out of a comic book?

    Really, think about it. You know, even without checking, I am absolutely certain that you can go and look back at any of the propaganda films from Germany in the Nazi period or from Soviet Russia and they never portray themselves as evil. No! Of course not!

    …which made me think of this funny skit…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VImnpErdDzA

    Also, how could anyone believe that samurai were real? Nobody would intentionally make themselves look like Darth Vader! That’s preposterous!

  125. @anon
    @Hubbub

    Agreed. Muslim immigration is suicidal madness for the west. As Mr. Sailer asked in a post not long ago "Why is there no Muslim terrorism in Japan"?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Agreed. Muslim immigration is suicidal madness for the west. As Mr. Sailer asked in a post not long ago “Why is there no Muslim terrorism in Japan”?”

    The few Muslims residing in Japan are mostly ethnic Japanese converts to Islam, not Arabs or Somalis.

    Japanese are so law abiding that even the few who convert to Islam still do not turn into batshit crazy Jihadists.

  126. @Dew
    Things are pretty grim here in Orlando. Can't believe this happened now while I was just visiting some relatives in the area.

    Some things to note:

    The Pulse nightclub had a "Latino Night" event at the time of the shooting. There were quite a few Hispanic gays at the club as a result. Its not just Islam vs. Gays. It's Islam vs. LGBT people of color. Much more complicated for leftists to defend Islam in this case without resorting to their typical gun control defenses.

    http://kstp.com/news/florida-nightclub-shooting-eyewitness/4166140
    Check out the above link and listen to 3:20 onwards. Two clubbers barricaded the emergency exit door after they escaped. They were trying to save their own hides and probably trapped quite a few people which lead to more deaths. Why the hell would they think the people banging on the door would be the shooter himself? Wouldn't he just try and shoot the door or something?

    Replies: @cipher, @Half Canadian, @Wilkey

    If you watch the interview between Burbano and George Snuffleufagus it sounds like the emergency exit lead to an alleyway blocked by a fence, so there were about 20 people outside in a confined space making their way over the fence one by one and a shooter who was supposedly heading for the door. Blocking the door still sounds stupid and selfish, yes, but maybe not that stupid. It also seems almost certain that the people banging on the door trying to get out were killed.

  127. @unpc downunder
    This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can't blame it on HBD.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @unpc downunder, @Jefferson

    or Hispanics

    Not sure about that. Most of the Latin American countries are very gay friendly despite their conservatism.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The French Quarter gays in "A Confederacy of Dunces" are always jetting off to Mexico City when their behavior gets too scandalous even for New Orleans.

  128. @unpc downunder
    This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can't blame it on HBD.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @unpc downunder, @Jefferson

    On second thoughts this has everything to do with globalist Islam and its desire to creat a global caliphate. I don’t want to unduly wind up Steve’s Muslim readers.

  129. @Steve Richter
    Can we read anything into the general intelligence of Afg migrants? The Orlando shooter had not developed any job skills other than security guard? And yet he had a good looking wife.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    No job skills, and yet somehow has a good-looking wife? Happens more often than you think. I call it the Tsarnaev Syndrome.

  130. Marty [AKA "coot veal or cot deal"] says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    You sure are lazy.

    Dan Gilroy got into trouble in 2007 when he arrested a 15 year-old black girl.


    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/fort-pierce-police-conduct-internal-investigation-into-officers-taped-arrest-of-15-year-old-ep-40547-349413971.html

    https://youtu.be/sX8GMI1v518

    Replies: @Marty

    Thanks, 1st time I’ve seen that. Most remarkable thing to me was her plaint, “I’m not tryin’ to go to jail.” I’ve seen that same thing from blacks many times on the First 48. A murder suspect in the station for interrogation says, “I ain’t even tryin’ go to jail,” as if that’s supposed to persuade a cop he’s on the wrong trail. How’d they come up with that formulation, anyway?

  131. @Big Bill
    @Tiny Duck

    Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner! Man, you got the Salon narrative perfectly! Waitasec ... you don't work for them, do you?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I checked the salon site to see if they had any stories along these lines and not even they are that self-hating. They said that ALL religions, including Islam, should cut down on anti-gay bigotry.

    The only way to blame this on white men is to tie your reasoning up like an ideological pretzel. Back in the day, the left was pretty good at deflecting blame back onto the US – if Cuba was a poor repressive state, that was America’s fault, etc. But this goes so far against common sense that it will never fly except with maybe the leftmost 1% of American voters.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "The only way to blame this on white men is to tie your reasoning up like an ideological pretzel. Back in the day, the left was pretty good at deflecting blame back onto the US – if Cuba was a poor repressive state, that was America’s fault, etc. But this goes so far against common sense that it will never fly except with maybe the leftmost 1% of American voters."

    That 1 percent of American voters must be an extremely vocal minority because there were so many anti-White and anti-Christian tweets on Twitter today, blaming them for the Orlando massacre that was comitted by a Muslim.

  132. @Anatoly Karlin
    @unpc downunder


    or Hispanics
     
    Not sure about that. Most of the Latin American countries are very gay friendly despite their conservatism.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The French Quarter gays in “A Confederacy of Dunces” are always jetting off to Mexico City when their behavior gets too scandalous even for New Orleans.

  133. Lot says:
    @Bugg
    Some parallels to the Tsarnaevs are disturbing. This animals's family emigrated in the 1980s from Afghanistan, and dear old dad seems to be connected. Highly doubtful he got into the US at the height of the Soviet involvement there without some CIA help, much like the Boston scumbag's uncle's various hooks. And once again, he was on the FBI's radar, but they did nothing. Possible FBI agents were rightly in fear of being subject to career suicide (ISLAMOPHOBIA WORSE THAN DEAD AMERICANS!) did nothing, And as likely the PC nature of the Obama Administration was a further current to do nothing default. The FBI is now very good at showing up afterward wearing raid jackets, today's edition in central Florida heat. Proactive intervention is not part of their job description. And as to the blue side of the political divide, they cannot wait for the candlelight vigils, mournful music and somber speeches about...I have no idea how these scumbags get away with this.

    Replies: @Lot

    Some parallels to the Tsarnaevs are disturbing.

    I noticed another parallel. The shooter’s father:

    Mateen’s father is Seddique Mir Mateen, who hosted a TV show called Durand Jirga Show on satellite television Payam-e-Afghan in 2015 representing himself as a candidate for the President of Afghanistan.

    The Texas Clock Boy’s father:

    he ran against Umar al-Bashir for the office of Sudan President in both 2010 and 2015.[6][1] An April 2015 Bloomberg Business report stated that of President Umar al-Bashir’s competitors, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed “had the most ambitious agenda”.

    How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now? People are talking about the ticket agent afraid to report the 9-11 bombers. Well, the Texas school teachers who reported a new Muslim kid with what looked exactly like a bomb were the subject of a national hate campaign.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now?"

    You weren't kidding with Muslim craphole. According to Wikipedia, Afghanistan has a lower human development index than Kenya, the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama's Black as midnight father.

    Replies: @anonymous

  134. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    I checked the salon site to see if they had any stories along these lines and not even they are that self-hating. They said that ALL religions, including Islam, should cut down on anti-gay bigotry.

    The only way to blame this on white men is to tie your reasoning up like an ideological pretzel. Back in the day, the left was pretty good at deflecting blame back onto the US - if Cuba was a poor repressive state, that was America's fault, etc. But this goes so far against common sense that it will never fly except with maybe the leftmost 1% of American voters.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “The only way to blame this on white men is to tie your reasoning up like an ideological pretzel. Back in the day, the left was pretty good at deflecting blame back onto the US – if Cuba was a poor repressive state, that was America’s fault, etc. But this goes so far against common sense that it will never fly except with maybe the leftmost 1% of American voters.”

    That 1 percent of American voters must be an extremely vocal minority because there were so many anti-White and anti-Christian tweets on Twitter today, blaming them for the Orlando massacre that was comitted by a Muslim.

  135. @unpc downunder
    This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can't blame it on HBD.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @unpc downunder, @Jefferson

    “This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can’t blame it on HBD.”

    Catholic culture seems to be quite tolerant of Transgenderism and Homosexuality, whether it is Latin America, The Philippines, Italy, France, Portugal, Spain, or Ireland.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jefferson

    "Catholic culture seems to be quite tolerant of Transgenderism and Homosexuality, whether it is Latin America, The Philippines, Italy, France, Portugal, Spain, or Ireland."

    One of the above is not quite like the others, even though it's Catholic.

  136. @Anonymous
    How many more blatantly Islamic massacres would have to occur for true believer leftists to start doubting themelves?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

    it is not about the absolute number, it is about frequency. Leftist by now have already integrated a islamic terrorist attack with over a dozen of dead people every three months in western countries in their world view. They have found mental strategies to kind of ignore it.
    So when the frequency would go up, to maybe some hundred per weak, then some would get some doubts. But the current situation is accepted as new normal.

  137. @Lot
    @Bugg


    Some parallels to the Tsarnaevs are disturbing.
     
    I noticed another parallel. The shooter's father:

    Mateen's father is Seddique Mir Mateen, who hosted a TV show called Durand Jirga Show on satellite television Payam-e-Afghan in 2015 representing himself as a candidate for the President of Afghanistan.
     
    The Texas Clock Boy's father:

    he ran against Umar al-Bashir for the office of Sudan President in both 2010 and 2015.[6][1] An April 2015 Bloomberg Business report stated that of President Umar al-Bashir's competitors, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed "had the most ambitious agenda".
     
    How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now? People are talking about the ticket agent afraid to report the 9-11 bombers. Well, the Texas school teachers who reported a new Muslim kid with what looked exactly like a bomb were the subject of a national hate campaign.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now?”

    You weren’t kidding with Muslim craphole. According to Wikipedia, Afghanistan has a lower human development index than Kenya, the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama’s Black as midnight father.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Jefferson

    If I were somehow faced with such a choice, I would choose living in Kenya over Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  138. @Mr. Anon
    @27 year old

    The ready-made narrative of gun-control is already being invoked, of course. All sorts of Hollywood A-listers (and D-listers: Will Wheaton?) are furiously tweeting their loathing of our Bill of Rights. They would say that only the Police should be armed.

    By the way, guess what job the Orlando killer had been trying to get?

    Police officer.

    Replies: @Lurker

    (1) Liberals believe only the police should be armed.

    (2) Liberals believe the police are violent white racists.

    Either they are completely stupid or, deep down, they don’t really believe (2).

  139. @Richard S
    It goes without saying of course that the media is trying to spin this as a "mass shooting", not Radical Islamic Terrorism. Piers Morgan tweetingly blamed it on the NRA. One establishment propaganda forum after another tried to make Trump the villain for having predicted this.

    I'd say the results are now in with this experiment in multi-culti tolerance towards these Allah-keen chaps, wouldn't you?

    You know the multi-dimensional tesseract spooky black hole dealie at the end of Interstellar, where he's trying to send messages backwards through time? Well increasingly our entire Civilisation is flashing enormous red warning signs. Instead of ghostly Morse code though, we're getting the most blatant "defend yourselves" vibe imaginable.

    We cannot allow this to continue.

    Replies: @Lurker

    As a Brit, allow me to apologise for the existence of Piers Morgan.

  140. @Hubbub
    My wife and I usually discuss, at least briefly, these terrorists' attacks, not from surprise or not understanding. We're not surprised or dumb, but, on the contrary, we're stupefied with disbelief that our public officials, sworn to protect the citizens of the country, continue to propagate this travesty and continue to insure that the United States suffer the fate of the other 'do-good' countries by 'welcoming' these ignorant, neurotic, and psychopathic people into the country.

    Today, we have not discussed or mentioned this murderous jihadic tirade. What's there to say. We know it will continue to happen over and over until we, too, are like Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Our government needs to be purged of the imbeciles, and the Muslims to the last man need to be expelled - yes, even the 'nice Muslim family' that lives next door or down the block from you.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @AndrewR

    The issue is usually put in terms of ‘radical’ and ‘moderate’ Muslims. Seems to me we could make a lot of progress just by distinguishing between Sunni and Shia, the Sunni being the main problem. But that would involve noticing things.

  141. @Tiny Duck
    This isn't just another shooting that you just need to look at gun control over and it's not just a sign of a shitty world. It's a fucking hate crime that's a progression from the homophobic rhetoric of your right wing, from the torrent of transphobic legislation being pushed across the country in bathroom bills etc. It is then enabled by the access to guns.

    Hate mongering politicians that vote against gun control and profit politically off this crap spouting "thoughts and prayers" can go fuck themselves as the hypocrites they are. If you know people the celebrate this and continue to call them friend then I really have to wonder about you as well (theoretical, I don't know if anyone in here does).

    Replies: @Anonym, @Unladen Swallow

    Some excellent satire, keep it up.

  142. @Pat Gilligan
    OMG, the gunman's first Uzbek wife, Sitora Yusufiy, is so fucking hot. She's a total new age flake but I don't think her wealthy Brazilian CEO fiancé gives a shit. I wouldn't either.

    Replies: @Anonym

    I will give you this, if all you see are Bernie supporters of the nominally female variety, Yusufiy is unfeasibly hot.

  143. @Mr. Anon
    @Ttjy

    I once had to fly somewhere one-way, as I was driving back. This was about a year after 9/11. I just bought a round-trip fare and didn't use the return ticket, so as not to get the extra-special gestapo treatment at the airport. It was cheaper too. It's often (perhaps usually) cheaper to buy a round-trip fare than a one-way. I read once that airlines were trying to clamp down on people who do what I did, as they felt that we were ripping them off. Why it is ripping them off to only take half of what they sell me, I don't know. Nor do I care. F**k the airlines.

    And, of course, the TSA continued to flag one-way tickets long after 9/11; they were too stupid to figure out that terrorists would just start buying round-trip tickets too.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Ttjy

    You would think a terrorist would buy a round-trip as a matter of course.

    (I presume the airline would rather know you weren’t coming back because that gives them a chance to sell that seat).

  144. Will the killer get his Rolling Stone cover this month or next?

  145. @27 year old
    So is The Narrative on this one going to be homophobia? Is that what they're going with?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AP, @donut, @anon, @cipher, @Olorin

    Yeah. Citizen Mateen: disgusted to murderous rage by seeing two men kiss each other but just fine with the idea of wading through pools of blood and other bodily fluids from a population (young, Hispanic, gay//MSM) with very high rates of HIV, hepatitis B and C, syphilis, gonorrhea (including of the throat and anus), giardia, herpes, HPV, and chlamydia….

    I keep trying to imagine the EMS equipment/transport vehicle and worker and hospital unit disinfections. Especially since according to CDC something like 70% of Latino men with new HIV infections didn’t even know they were infected.

  146. @Hubbub
    My wife and I usually discuss, at least briefly, these terrorists' attacks, not from surprise or not understanding. We're not surprised or dumb, but, on the contrary, we're stupefied with disbelief that our public officials, sworn to protect the citizens of the country, continue to propagate this travesty and continue to insure that the United States suffer the fate of the other 'do-good' countries by 'welcoming' these ignorant, neurotic, and psychopathic people into the country.

    Today, we have not discussed or mentioned this murderous jihadic tirade. What's there to say. We know it will continue to happen over and over until we, too, are like Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Our government needs to be purged of the imbeciles, and the Muslims to the last man need to be expelled - yes, even the 'nice Muslim family' that lives next door or down the block from you.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @AndrewR

    Hopefully you and your wife haven’t passed on your defective genes.

    • Replies: @Hubbub
    @AndrewR

    LOL. I see you're one of those a-sholes who thinks that insult is the height of wit.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  147. Everybody loves their narrative, but few want to acknowledge the facts. Everybody wants to say..see, see, I told you so…

    The facts are : a mentally ill second generation Muslim male, the intranet, ISIS mass murder ideology, America’s culture of mass shooting, homophobic third world family and easy access to guns.

    Omar is a nutcase, bipolar, unstable and hateful. From what I read, he hates gays, jews, black and women, another George Zimmerman-like loser who tried and failed to join the police force, raging against the world’s minorities even though he is one himself.

    The bigger issue that Omar brings to focus is of course immigration, not just Muslim immigration.

    Common sense strict pro America immigration policies can be implemented without alienating and angering the world with nazi like proclamations against “Muslims”.

    Compared to immigration from the rest of the world, Muslim immigration has always been limited-that’s why only 1% of America is Muslim-and should continue to be even more so-minimal Syrian refugees for example.

    But America should not be distracted by “Muslims” from the much larger issue of mass immigration from the third world-stay focused people!! Who cares if Obama does not says “Radical Islam”?!

    Mass immigration from Africa, Middle East and Latin America (except Chile and Argentina) is what’s killing American civilization. America can not survive with too many of the second generation from these regions because they mostly turn out to be underachievers or alienated and resentful with the help of liberals who teach them to hate the once majority Whites.

    Maybe Muslim terrorists might have done America a favor because it took them to wake sleepy Americans up to the dangers of unrestrained third world immigration, and to question the Narrative.

    It is not too late and the damages done to America can still be rolled back if only Americans would stay on message and unite on immigration-forget BLM, abortion, the 1%, the middle east, social security-these can all be fixed later.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Merema

    Preachin' to the choir, sister...

    , @Jack D
    @Merema

    Too much of a bank shot - because of Muslim terrorists we should close the border to Mexican immigrants.

    America has been lucky in this respect (compared to Europe). Whatever you say about Mexicans, they are not prone to sudden jihad syndrome. Unlike Europe, we don't have millions and millions of disaffected Muslim youth. The few that we have are already on the radar of the FBI and other authorities. Once the leadership drops the suicidal "I see nothing" approach it should not be a problem to round them up - Mateen should already have been in jail.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  148. @Merema
    Everybody loves their narrative, but few want to acknowledge the facts. Everybody wants to say..see, see, I told you so...

    The facts are : a mentally ill second generation Muslim male, the intranet, ISIS mass murder ideology, America's culture of mass shooting, homophobic third world family and easy access to guns.

    Omar is a nutcase, bipolar, unstable and hateful. From what I read, he hates gays, jews, black and women, another George Zimmerman-like loser who tried and failed to join the police force, raging against the world's minorities even though he is one himself.

    The bigger issue that Omar brings to focus is of course immigration, not just Muslim immigration.

    Common sense strict pro America immigration policies can be implemented without alienating and angering the world with nazi like proclamations against "Muslims".

    Compared to immigration from the rest of the world, Muslim immigration has always been limited-that's why only 1% of America is Muslim-and should continue to be even more so-minimal Syrian refugees for example.

    But America should not be distracted by "Muslims" from the much larger issue of mass immigration from the third world-stay focused people!! Who cares if Obama does not says "Radical Islam"?!

    Mass immigration from Africa, Middle East and Latin America (except Chile and Argentina) is what's killing American civilization. America can not survive with too many of the second generation from these regions because they mostly turn out to be underachievers or alienated and resentful with the help of liberals who teach them to hate the once majority Whites.

    Maybe Muslim terrorists might have done America a favor because it took them to wake sleepy Americans up to the dangers of unrestrained third world immigration, and to question the Narrative.

    It is not too late and the damages done to America can still be rolled back if only Americans would stay on message and unite on immigration-forget BLM, abortion, the 1%, the middle east, social security-these can all be fixed later.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack D

    Preachin’ to the choir, sister…

  149. @Merema
    Everybody loves their narrative, but few want to acknowledge the facts. Everybody wants to say..see, see, I told you so...

    The facts are : a mentally ill second generation Muslim male, the intranet, ISIS mass murder ideology, America's culture of mass shooting, homophobic third world family and easy access to guns.

    Omar is a nutcase, bipolar, unstable and hateful. From what I read, he hates gays, jews, black and women, another George Zimmerman-like loser who tried and failed to join the police force, raging against the world's minorities even though he is one himself.

    The bigger issue that Omar brings to focus is of course immigration, not just Muslim immigration.

    Common sense strict pro America immigration policies can be implemented without alienating and angering the world with nazi like proclamations against "Muslims".

    Compared to immigration from the rest of the world, Muslim immigration has always been limited-that's why only 1% of America is Muslim-and should continue to be even more so-minimal Syrian refugees for example.

    But America should not be distracted by "Muslims" from the much larger issue of mass immigration from the third world-stay focused people!! Who cares if Obama does not says "Radical Islam"?!

    Mass immigration from Africa, Middle East and Latin America (except Chile and Argentina) is what's killing American civilization. America can not survive with too many of the second generation from these regions because they mostly turn out to be underachievers or alienated and resentful with the help of liberals who teach them to hate the once majority Whites.

    Maybe Muslim terrorists might have done America a favor because it took them to wake sleepy Americans up to the dangers of unrestrained third world immigration, and to question the Narrative.

    It is not too late and the damages done to America can still be rolled back if only Americans would stay on message and unite on immigration-forget BLM, abortion, the 1%, the middle east, social security-these can all be fixed later.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Jack D

    Too much of a bank shot – because of Muslim terrorists we should close the border to Mexican immigrants.

    America has been lucky in this respect (compared to Europe). Whatever you say about Mexicans, they are not prone to sudden jihad syndrome. Unlike Europe, we don’t have millions and millions of disaffected Muslim youth. The few that we have are already on the radar of the FBI and other authorities. Once the leadership drops the suicidal “I see nothing” approach it should not be a problem to round them up – Mateen should already have been in jail.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "America has been lucky in this respect (compared to Europe). Whatever you say about Mexicans, they are not prone to sudden jihad syndrome."

    I will take Mexicans over Muslims anyday if those are my only 2 options and I am not even a fan of the Mexicans. That should tell you just how much I dislike Muslims.

  150. @Jefferson
    @unpc downunder

    "This has everything to do with Islam. Temperamentally speaking, Middle Easterners do have a stronger predisposition to dislike homosexuals than NW Europeans and orientals do, but no more than for American Russians or Hispanics, so you can’t blame it on HBD."

    Catholic culture seems to be quite tolerant of Transgenderism and Homosexuality, whether it is Latin America, The Philippines, Italy, France, Portugal, Spain, or Ireland.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    “Catholic culture seems to be quite tolerant of Transgenderism and Homosexuality, whether it is Latin America, The Philippines, Italy, France, Portugal, Spain, or Ireland.”

    One of the above is not quite like the others, even though it’s Catholic.

  151. Did shooter sell his house to his sister for a few dollars before attack?

    http://gotnews.com/breaking-orlando/

  152. @MG
    The mass murder had nothing to do with Islam, I'm sure. In fact, Islam itself has nothing to do with Islam.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Clyde

    The mass murder had nothing to do with Islam, I’m sure. In fact, Islam itself has nothing to do with Islam.

    Same as Muhammad was the world’s first Muslim terrorist and has nothing to do with the “true Islam”.

  153. @Tiny Duck
    Funny how a brown person does something like thus and it's all about religion, but when some shitfuck white person commits violence on behalf of Jesus everyone just says motherfucker is crazy.

    Replies: @e, @biz, @Tony, @anon, @Anonymous

    Jesus didn’t tell his followers to go out and kill people. Mohammed did.

  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I do not trust these people who claim afterwards to have known it all along.
    I’m surprised you would trust these accounts, Steve.
    They just reek of hindsight bias and of people wanting their 15 minutes in the spotlight by telling the media what it wants to hear.

    It’s not obviously false of course, but I’m very suspicious of these accounts.

  155. It seems like being able to go out in public without fear of (whatever) is an important liberty

    It’s not.

    I should be able to live without fear that you’ll steal my liberties over some imagined threat. See what I’m getting at here?

  156. @Grandpa Jack
    @Felix.

    I guess it's good he didn't live much longer, or he probably would've taken a flight north, next. If there's anything more disgusting than homosexuality, its got to be beastiality, something the Canucks have now legalized.

    Are we in a cultural marxist 'limbo' game of how low can they go? Honestly, what's next? Actually, scratch that, don't want to know.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    When did the Canucks legalize beastiality?

  157. @Former Darfur
    Not all Muslims go on shooting sprees and kill people, not all pit bulls maul or kill children, and not all pet felids of the genus Panthera kill, eat, or maul their keepers. I do not wish to exterminate Muslims, pit bulls, or big cats.

    But common sense has to be applied in all three cases, obviously.

    Replies: @anon, @E. Rekshun

    Not all Muslims go on shooting sprees and kill people…

    Sort of “not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim”

    (Yea, I know, there’s Columbine and Eric Rudolph and, well, Columbine and Eric Rudolph.)

  158. “Running amok” has been a phenomenon in the Orient for centuries and is even given an entry in the DSM IV manual of psychiatric disorders. Increased immigration from the East, easy access to weapons of mass murder, and Internet media in the US have probably given the disorder a new lease on life. If the frequency of such events gradually increases there are bound to be legislative moves to at least limit its effects.

  159. @415 reasons
    @AP

    The no gun control angle is threadbare before the day it happened is out. Literally less than a year ago this happened in France where they have much stricter gun control. Gun laws are no protection from these lunatics. It's almost as if these muslims are... Homicidal maniacs... Who don't care about the laws... Who think that they have been commanded by God to do this stuff.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Obviously we need to make it illegal for Democrats to own guns.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Bill Jones

    "Obviously we need to make it illegal for Democrats to own guns."

    Democrats like Rosie O'Donnell and Steven Spielberg need to have their guns confiscated by the government.

  160. res says:
    @European-American
    Steve:

    > Similarly, during the second presidential debate in 2000,
    > George W. Bush denounced ethnic profiling at airports of Arab passengers.

    It's worth giving a solid primary reference for this. As you well know, simple googling just sends you down a rabbit-hole of iSteve columns.

    Relevant excerpt from the second presidential debate in 2000:

    MODERATOR: First, a couple of follow-ups from the vice presidential debate last week. Vice President Gore, would you support or sign, as president, a federal law banning racial profiling by police and other authorities at all levels of government?

    GORE: Yes, I would. The only thing an executive order can accomplish is to ban it in federal law enforcement agencies, but I would also support a law in the Congress that would have the effect of doing the same thing. I just -- I think that racial profiling is a serious problem. I remember when the stories first came out about the stops in New Jersey by the highway patrol there. And I know it's been going on a long time. In some ways this is just a new label for something that has been going on for years. But I have to confess that it was the first time that I really focused on it in a new way. And I was surprised at the extent of it. And I think we've now got so many examples around the country that we really have to find ways to end this. Imagine what it -- what it is like for someone to be singled out unfairly, unjustly, and feel the unfair force of law simply because of race or ethnicity. Now, that runs counter to what the United States of America is all about at our core. And it's not an easy problem to solve. But if I am entrusted with the presidency, it will be the first Civil Rights Act of the 21st century.

    BUSH: Yeah, I can't imagine what it would be like to be singled out because of race and stopped and harassed. That's just flat wrong, and that's not what America is all about. And so we ought to do everything we can to end racial profiling. One of my concerns, though, is I don't want to federalize the local police forces. I want to -- obviously in the egregious cases we need to enforce civil rights law, but we need to make sure that internal affairs divisions at the local level do their job and be given a chance to do their job. I believe in local control of governments, and obviously if they don't there needs to be a consequence at the federal level. But it's very important that we not overstep our bounds and I think most people -- most police officers are good, dedicated, honorable citizens who are doing their job, putting their lives at risk who aren't bigoted or aren't prejudiced. I don't think they ought to be held guilty. But I do think we need to find out where racial profiling occurs and do something about it and say to the local folks, get it done. And if you can't, there will be a federal consequence.

    MODERATOR: And that could be a federal law?

    BUSH: Yeah.

    MODERATOR: And you would agree?

    GORE: I would agree. And I also agree that most police officers, of course, are doing a good job and hate this practice also. I talked to an African-American police officer in Springfield, Massachusetts not long ago who raised this question and said that in his opinion one of the biggest solutions is in the training. And not only the training in police procedures, but human relations. And I think that racial profiling is part of a larger issue of how we deal with race in America. And as for singling people out because of race, you know, James Byrd was singled out because of his race in Texas. And other Americans have been singled out because of their race or ethnicity. And that's why I think we can embody our values by passing a hate crimes law. I think these crimes are different. I think they're different because they're based on prejudice and hatred, which gives rise to crimes that have not just a single victim, but they're intended to stigmatize and dehumanize a whole group of people.

    MODERATOR: You have a different view of that.

    BUSH: No, I don't, really.

    MODERATOR: On hate crimes laws?

    BUSH: No. We've got one in Texas. And guess what? The three men who murdered James Byrd, guess what's going to happen to them? They're going to be put to death. A jury found them guilty. It's going to be hard to punish them any worse after they get put to death. And it's the right cause. It's the right decision. Secondly, there is other forms of racial profiling that goes on in America. Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what is called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we have to do something about that. My friend, Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, is pushing a law to make sure that Arab-Americans are treated with respect. So racial profiling isn't just an issue at local police forces. It's an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we're going to have to deal with it more and more. I believe, though -- I believe, as sure as I'm sitting here, that most Americans really care. They're tolerant people. They're good, tolerant people. It's the very few that create most of the crises, and we just have to find them and deal with them.
     

    http://www.debates.org/?page=october-11-2000-debate-transcript

    It would also be nice to have a solid reference for:

    > When [Bush] became President, he had Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta
    > launch a campaign against heightened scrutiny of terrorist-looking passengers.

    I'll look around...

    Replies: @res

    Thanks for the reference.

    Below is not a primary source, but this might help find one for Mineta:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta

    On September 21, 2001, Mineta sent a letter to all U.S. airlines forbidding them from practicing racial profiling; or subjecting Middle Eastern or Muslim passengers to a heightened degree of pre-flight scrutiny. He stated that it was illegal for the airlines to discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin or religion. Subsequently, administrative enforcement actions were brought against three different airlines based on alleged contraventions of these rules, resulting in multimillion-dollar settlements. He showed his intention “absolutely not” to implement racial screenings in reply to the question from Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes right after 9-11. He later recalled his decision “was the right thing (and) constitutional”, based on his own experience as one of Japanese-Americans, those who had “lost the most basic human rights” by being discriminated against and interned during the Pacific War.

    More at http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24408/

    A good word to search for is “scrutiny.” Finding that letter to the airlines would be a good primary reference.

    • Replies: @European-American
    @res

    Didn't find the text of Mineta's letter to airlines forbidding them to discriminate, but here's a detailed CNN article about the letter and ensuing lawsuits. (Disbelieving emphasis mine...)

    [Entitled whining airline passengers are rarely sympathetic characters, but these million-dollar plaintiffs seem particularly deserving of scorn. If I wasn't a sane, tolerant, and peace-loving person, I'd suggest waterboarding them in the airplane toilets as a safety precaution. But that's not who we are. ... Or is it?... No, no, of course not. ... Or maybe?... No, no, absolutely not. Sorry to even mention it.]


    Airlines face post 9/11 racial profiling, discrimination suits

    June 4, 2002

    From Phil Hirschkorn and Michael Okwu
    CNN
    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Five passengers who were removed from or prevented from boarding flights last year after the September 11 terror attacks filed suit Tuesday against four major U.S. airlines, accusing them of racial profiling and discrimination.

    The separate suits were filed against Continental, American, United and Northwest airlines in federal courts, respectively, in Newark, Baltimore, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    All of the plaintiffs are of Middle Eastern or Asian descent who had passed through enhanced airport security checks.

    As early as September 21, 2001, Transportation Secretary Norman Minetta sent a memorandum to all airlines cautioning them not to discriminate against passengers based on race, religion, national or ethnic origin.

    The DOT has since received 31 complaints about such discrimination from people of Middle Eastern, South Asian, Arab or Muslim heritage. The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination group has recorded double that amount of complaints. Two of the five plaintiffs are of Arab descent.

    The five plaintiffs, three of whom are seeking compensatory damages, are being represented by either the American Civil Liberties Union or Relman & Associates, a firm specializing in civil rights cases.

    Among the plaintiffs is Michael Dasrath, a 32-year-old analyst for Morgan Stanley, who was ejected from a Continental flight from Newark to Tampa last New Year's eve. Dasrath, a U.S. citizen of Indian heritage, told CNN that his incident began with the complaint of a single, white female passenger who had been observing him and two other men in their first class seats.

    "She basically said these brown-skinned men are behaving suspiciously," Dasrath said. "The pilot didn't say anything. He just kind of nodded at her and he walked up to the front, looked at me, looked at the two in front of me -- didn't say nothing. Next thing I know one of the gate agents is calling our names," he said.

    Edgardo Cureg, 34, a permanent legal resident of Filipino descent, who was removed from the same Continental flight after using his cell phone inside the plane before takeoff, filed a second suit against the airline.

    "I will never again feel free to travel in the future," Cureg said at a Manhattan news conference. "My basic right to travel free from discrimination has been violated."

    Continental spokesman Rahsaan Johnson said he could not comment on the specific cases but said, "Continental does have a strong policy against discrimination in any form."

    The suit against Northwest was filed by Arshad Chowdhury, 25, a U.S. citizen born to Bangladeshi parents, who was removed from a San Francisco to Pittsburgh flight last October 23. Chowdhury was returning to business school at Carnegie Mellon University.

    Northwest spokeswoman Mary Beth Schubert said Chowdhury's removal was not based on his ethnic background.

    "Mr. Chowdhury was denied boarding because the Northwest pilot received conflicting information about whether or not authorities had cleared him to fly. In the face of this conflicting information, the pilot exercised his discretion to deny boarding," Schubert said.

    The airline put Chowdhury on a direct flight that arrived before his originally scheduled flight, Schubert said.

    Hassan Sader, 36, a U.S. citizen who lives in Virginia, sued American Airlines for removing him from a Baltimore to Chicago flight last October 31.

    "American supports our captains when those decisions are made," said spokesman Todd Burke, who declined to discuss the facts of the claim or the airline's security procedures. But Burke said federal air regulations allow a captain to deny boarding of any passenger who may compromise the safety of the flight.

    Aseem Bayaa, 40, a U.S. citizen from California, sued United Airlines for removing him from a Los Angeles to New York flight last December 23.

    Airline spokesman Joe Hopkins said, "On our aircraft, the captain is in charge and has to weigh a lot of factors in the overall safety of everybody on the airplane. We would not remove someone based on race, religion, or national origin. It's based on behavior."

    Hopkins said the airline would not discuss security matters publicly. "If we are going to be sued, we respond in court through our attorneys," he said.

    ACLU staff attorney Reggie Shuford told CNN that the airlines "speak in the abstract about the need for safety and security related to September 11, but nothing that they've done in any of these cases advance the need or interest in safety and security."

    Shuford, the lead plaintiffs' lawyer on the coordinated lawsuits, said he hopes the litigation will lead to better training of pilots and flight crew about when there is legitimately a security risk.

    "When a passenger -- a fellow passenger -- is given veto power over somebody else's ability to fly based on nothing other than hysteria and discrimmination, then we all need to take pause and determine whether allowing this to continue is really doing anything to advance security or safety," Shuford said.
     

    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/04/airlines.discrimination/

    Replies: @European-American

  161. @Jack D
    @Merema

    Too much of a bank shot - because of Muslim terrorists we should close the border to Mexican immigrants.

    America has been lucky in this respect (compared to Europe). Whatever you say about Mexicans, they are not prone to sudden jihad syndrome. Unlike Europe, we don't have millions and millions of disaffected Muslim youth. The few that we have are already on the radar of the FBI and other authorities. Once the leadership drops the suicidal "I see nothing" approach it should not be a problem to round them up - Mateen should already have been in jail.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “America has been lucky in this respect (compared to Europe). Whatever you say about Mexicans, they are not prone to sudden jihad syndrome.”

    I will take Mexicans over Muslims anyday if those are my only 2 options and I am not even a fan of the Mexicans. That should tell you just how much I dislike Muslims.

  162. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "How many candidates for president of Muslim crapholes are running their campaign from the United States right now?"

    You weren't kidding with Muslim craphole. According to Wikipedia, Afghanistan has a lower human development index than Kenya, the birth place of Barack Hussein Obama's Black as midnight father.

    Replies: @anonymous

    If I were somehow faced with such a choice, I would choose living in Kenya over Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Afghanistan is amazingly bad after 48 years of fighting. In 1973 it was a favorite destination for Western hippie tourists.

  163. @Tiny Duck
    This isn't just another shooting that you just need to look at gun control over and it's not just a sign of a shitty world. It's a fucking hate crime that's a progression from the homophobic rhetoric of your right wing, from the torrent of transphobic legislation being pushed across the country in bathroom bills etc. It is then enabled by the access to guns.

    Hate mongering politicians that vote against gun control and profit politically off this crap spouting "thoughts and prayers" can go fuck themselves as the hypocrites they are. If you know people the celebrate this and continue to call them friend then I really have to wonder about you as well (theoretical, I don't know if anyone in here does).

    Replies: @Anonym, @Unladen Swallow

    Hey Troll, there are plenty of good decaffeinated coffees. Also a dyed in the wool terrorist is going to be dissuaded by not being able to buy a gun legally, I know plenty of career criminals that are…not. The Brussels attacks killed all 32 with only explosives, Boston, entirely explosive devices as well, crazy finds a way to kill, trolls always find ways to troll, go sell your crazy elsewhere like Salon for example.

  164. @anonymous
    @Jefferson

    If I were somehow faced with such a choice, I would choose living in Kenya over Afghanistan.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Afghanistan is amazingly bad after 48 years of fighting. In 1973 it was a favorite destination for Western hippie tourists.

  165. @Bill Jones
    @415 reasons

    Obviously we need to make it illegal for Democrats to own guns.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Obviously we need to make it illegal for Democrats to own guns.”

    Democrats like Rosie O’Donnell and Steven Spielberg need to have their guns confiscated by the government.

  166. @AndrewR
    @Hubbub

    Hopefully you and your wife haven't passed on your defective genes.

    Replies: @Hubbub

    LOL. I see you’re one of those a-sholes who thinks that insult is the height of wit.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hubbub

    So advocating for the expulsion of all Muslims from the US is cool but someone saying that you should abstain from breeding is so awful, right?

    There is nothing lower than someone who is willing to dish it out but not take it.

  167. @Mr. Anon
    @Ttjy

    I once had to fly somewhere one-way, as I was driving back. This was about a year after 9/11. I just bought a round-trip fare and didn't use the return ticket, so as not to get the extra-special gestapo treatment at the airport. It was cheaper too. It's often (perhaps usually) cheaper to buy a round-trip fare than a one-way. I read once that airlines were trying to clamp down on people who do what I did, as they felt that we were ripping them off. Why it is ripping them off to only take half of what they sell me, I don't know. Nor do I care. F**k the airlines.

    And, of course, the TSA continued to flag one-way tickets long after 9/11; they were too stupid to figure out that terrorists would just start buying round-trip tickets too.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Ttjy

    I don’t know why it would be “ripping them off” either. They charge so many different fares for the same flight based on when you buy it.

    I don’t know what they do now in England, but Britrail would only charge 50 pence more on a round-trip ticket vs a one-way. Not that many people buy 1 way tickets on trains and planes most likely.

  168. In the end, it was a Muslim extremist who committed a heinous act. Not Islam. Not Muslims. A radical Muslim. That is the difference.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    "In the end, it was a Muslim extremist who committed a heinous act. Not Islam. Not Muslims. A radical Muslim. That is the difference."

    And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.

    Well, if they can't tell - if they can't read this guy - how are the rest of us going to? That's one of the advantages to actually having a nation - a people. It's a common cultural referent.

    And we are asked - told, really - to accept the incumbent risks for.........what? We don't need muslims here. They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  169. @res
    @European-American

    Thanks for the reference.

    Below is not a primary source, but this might help find one for Mineta:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mineta


    On September 21, 2001, Mineta sent a letter to all U.S. airlines forbidding them from practicing racial profiling; or subjecting Middle Eastern or Muslim passengers to a heightened degree of pre-flight scrutiny. He stated that it was illegal for the airlines to discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin or religion. Subsequently, administrative enforcement actions were brought against three different airlines based on alleged contraventions of these rules, resulting in multimillion-dollar settlements. He showed his intention "absolutely not" to implement racial screenings in reply to the question from Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes right after 9-11. He later recalled his decision "was the right thing (and) constitutional", based on his own experience as one of Japanese-Americans, those who had "lost the most basic human rights" by being discriminated against and interned during the Pacific War.
     
    More at http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24408/

    A good word to search for is "scrutiny." Finding that letter to the airlines would be a good primary reference.

    Replies: @European-American

    Didn’t find the text of Mineta’s letter to airlines forbidding them to discriminate, but here’s a detailed CNN article about the letter and ensuing lawsuits. (Disbelieving emphasis mine…)

    [Entitled whining airline passengers are rarely sympathetic characters, but these million-dollar plaintiffs seem particularly deserving of scorn. If I wasn’t a sane, tolerant, and peace-loving person, I’d suggest waterboarding them in the airplane toilets as a safety precaution. But that’s not who we are. … Or is it?… No, no, of course not. … Or maybe?… No, no, absolutely not. Sorry to even mention it.]

    Airlines face post 9/11 racial profiling, discrimination suits

    June 4, 2002

    From Phil Hirschkorn and Michael Okwu
    CNN
    NEW YORK (CNN) — Five passengers who were removed from or prevented from boarding flights last year after the September 11 terror attacks filed suit Tuesday against four major U.S. airlines, accusing them of racial profiling and discrimination.

    The separate suits were filed against Continental, American, United and Northwest airlines in federal courts, respectively, in Newark, Baltimore, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    All of the plaintiffs are of Middle Eastern or Asian descent who had passed through enhanced airport security checks.

    As early as September 21, 2001, Transportation Secretary Norman Minetta sent a memorandum to all airlines cautioning them not to discriminate against passengers based on race, religion, national or ethnic origin.

    The DOT has since received 31 complaints about such discrimination from people of Middle Eastern, South Asian, Arab or Muslim heritage. The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination group has recorded double that amount of complaints. Two of the five plaintiffs are of Arab descent.

    The five plaintiffs, three of whom are seeking compensatory damages, are being represented by either the American Civil Liberties Union or Relman & Associates, a firm specializing in civil rights cases.

    Among the plaintiffs is Michael Dasrath, a 32-year-old analyst for Morgan Stanley, who was ejected from a Continental flight from Newark to Tampa last New Year’s eve. Dasrath, a U.S. citizen of Indian heritage, told CNN that his incident began with the complaint of a single, white female passenger who had been observing him and two other men in their first class seats.

    “She basically said these brown-skinned men are behaving suspiciously,” Dasrath said. “The pilot didn’t say anything. He just kind of nodded at her and he walked up to the front, looked at me, looked at the two in front of me — didn’t say nothing. Next thing I know one of the gate agents is calling our names,” he said.

    Edgardo Cureg, 34, a permanent legal resident of Filipino descent, who was removed from the same Continental flight after using his cell phone inside the plane before takeoff, filed a second suit against the airline.

    I will never again feel free to travel in the future,” Cureg said at a Manhattan news conference. “My basic right to travel free from discrimination has been violated.

    Continental spokesman Rahsaan Johnson said he could not comment on the specific cases but said, “Continental does have a strong policy against discrimination in any form.”

    The suit against Northwest was filed by Arshad Chowdhury, 25, a U.S. citizen born to Bangladeshi parents, who was removed from a San Francisco to Pittsburgh flight last October 23. Chowdhury was returning to business school at Carnegie Mellon University.

    Northwest spokeswoman Mary Beth Schubert said Chowdhury’s removal was not based on his ethnic background.

    “Mr. Chowdhury was denied boarding because the Northwest pilot received conflicting information about whether or not authorities had cleared him to fly. In the face of this conflicting information, the pilot exercised his discretion to deny boarding,” Schubert said.

    The airline put Chowdhury on a direct flight that arrived before his originally scheduled flight, Schubert said.

    Hassan Sader, 36, a U.S. citizen who lives in Virginia, sued American Airlines for removing him from a Baltimore to Chicago flight last October 31.

    “American supports our captains when those decisions are made,” said spokesman Todd Burke, who declined to discuss the facts of the claim or the airline’s security procedures. But Burke said federal air regulations allow a captain to deny boarding of any passenger who may compromise the safety of the flight.

    Aseem Bayaa, 40, a U.S. citizen from California, sued United Airlines for removing him from a Los Angeles to New York flight last December 23.

    Airline spokesman Joe Hopkins said, “On our aircraft, the captain is in charge and has to weigh a lot of factors in the overall safety of everybody on the airplane. We would not remove someone based on race, religion, or national origin. It’s based on behavior.”

    Hopkins said the airline would not discuss security matters publicly. “If we are going to be sued, we respond in court through our attorneys,” he said.

    ACLU staff attorney Reggie Shuford told CNN that the airlines “speak in the abstract about the need for safety and security related to September 11, but nothing that they’ve done in any of these cases advance the need or interest in safety and security.”

    Shuford, the lead plaintiffs’ lawyer on the coordinated lawsuits, said he hopes the litigation will lead to better training of pilots and flight crew about when there is legitimately a security risk.

    “When a passenger — a fellow passenger — is given veto power over somebody else’s ability to fly based on nothing other than hysteria and discrimmination, then we all need to take pause and determine whether allowing this to continue is really doing anything to advance security or safety,” Shuford said.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/04/airlines.discrimination/

    • Replies: @European-American
    @European-American

    Here is a Sept. 21 letter from Norman Strickman of the DOT (I think that must be what people mean when they talk about "Mineta's Sept. 21 memo to airlines"):

    [of course, more pertinent would be such a letter from before Sept. 11...]


    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
    OFFICE OF AVIATION ENFORCEMENT AND PROCEEDINGS
    WASHINGTON, DC

    This message was e-mailed to major airlines and aviation associations on September 21, 2001. It concerns the aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

    Since the terrorist hijackings and events of September 11, we have seen several reports of airlines apparently removing passengers from flights because the passengers appeared to be Middle Eastern and/or Muslim. We caution airlines not to target or otherwise discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin, religion, or based on passengers' names or modes of dress that could be indicative of such classification. Various Federal statutes prohibit air carriers from subjecting a person in air transportation to discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, or ancestry. At DOT, we are and will continue to be vigilant in ensuring that the airport security procedures, mandated by FAA and implemented by the airlines, are not unlawfully discriminatory.

    We strongly encourage each airline to take steps to ensure that its employees understand that, not only is it wrong, but it is also illegal to discriminate against people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. Recently, the President and Chief Operating Officer of Delta Airlines sent a letter to all of the airline’s employees worldwide requesting tolerance of all people and cultures, and explaining that its employees must comply fully with civil rights laws. A copy of this letter is attached.

    Norman Strickman
    Assistant Director for Aviation Consumer Protection
    Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings
    Office of the General Counsel
    U.S. Department of Transportation
     

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20010921.htm

    For more info, this paper has lots of details and references:


    Asian American Law Journal
    Volume 10 Issue 2 Article 4
    2003
    Flying while Brown: Federal Civil Rights Remedies to Post-9/11 Airline Racial Profiling of South Asians
    Charu A. Chandrasekhar

     

    http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=aalj

    For example, a footnote mentions that, a month later, the DOT sent a policy statement which included the following guidelines:

    Consistent with DOT’s policy, here are several points to keep in mind while doing your important jobs:

    Treat people who may appear to be of Arab, Middle Eastern or South Asian descent and/or Muslim with the same respect you would treat people of other ethnicities and religions, and treat all people in a polite, respectful and friendly manner. To the extent possible and permitted by law, answer questions from persons in a forthright manner.
    Do not subject persons or their property to inspection, search and/or detention solely because they appear to be Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim; or solely because they speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; or solely because they speak with an accent that may lead you to believe they are Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim.
    If a search or inspection is necessary for safety or security reasons, whenever possible, provide the person involved a choice of a public or private inspection. Public searches may be viewed as humiliating while private searches may be perceived to be overly intimidating.
    Discriminating on the basis of national origin or religion includes discriminating against someone based solely on an appearance or dress that is associated with a particular national origin or religion. For example, selecting a woman for an inspection solely because her hair is covered or she is wearing a veil, as some Muslim women do, is illegal discrimination. Selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a long beard or hair covering, as some Muslim men do, is unlawful discrimination. Likewise, selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a turban, as some Sikh men do, is unlawful discrimination.
    Be aware of inspection/search practices that might be offensive: during an inspection, asking a woman to remove her veil or hair covering may be offensive and could violate her religious tenets and asking a Sikh man to remove his turban could violate his religious tenets.
    Take all available facts and circumstances into account in identifying persons or property that may be a safety or security risk. Although your actions may, at times, offend the person involved, you would continue to be justified in conducting additional questioning, inspections or searches, for safety or security reasons, in certain situations; for example: the driver of a truck containing hazardous material has identification or documentation showing that he or she was born in the United States but the driver does not speak English and appears to only speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; a person wearing a turban or head dress, while being searched at an airport security checkpoint, triggers the handheld metal detector when it is near his or her head; or a veiled woman shows photo identification to prove her identity but it is difficult to conclude that this woman is the same person as the woman in the photo without checking her face. When it is necessary to verify the identity of a veiled woman, whenever possible, her face should be checked by female safety or security personnel in private or only in the presence of other women so as not to violate her religious tenets.
    Use the “but/for” test to help determine the justification for your actions. Ask yourself, But for this person’s perceived race, ethnic heritage or religious orientation, would I have subjected this individual to additional safety or security scrutiny? If the answer is “no,” then the action may violate civil rights laws.

    We hope this information is helpful to you.

     

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20011012.htm

    Good luck to airlines following these...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  170. @Corvinus
    In the end, it was a Muslim extremist who committed a heinous act. Not Islam. Not Muslims. A radical Muslim. That is the difference.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “In the end, it was a Muslim extremist who committed a heinous act. Not Islam. Not Muslims. A radical Muslim. That is the difference.”

    And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.

    Well, if they can’t tell – if they can’t read this guy – how are the rest of us going to? That’s one of the advantages to actually having a nation – a people. It’s a common cultural referent.

    And we are asked – told, really – to accept the incumbent risks for………what? We don’t need muslims here. They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mr. Anon

    “And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.”

    The same logic could be applied to ANYONE in ANY GROUP. 



    Teachers will say they had no clue one of their colleagues was a pedophile. Never saw it coming.

    Employees will say they had no clue their boss was pilfering profits at their expense. Never saw it coming.

    “Well, if they can’t tell – if they can’t read this guy – how are the rest of us going to?”

    Exactly. If teachers and employees can’t read people, how is the rest of us going to! That is why you take each situation on its merits without generalizing.

    “That’s one of the advantages to actually having a nation – a people. It’s a common cultural referent.”

    We do have a nation, a people. Muslims, like Jews and Christians, are part of it. Where have you been?

    “And we are asked – told, really – to accept the incumbent risks for………what”

    
There are risks for everything, as I provided in my examples.

    “We don’t need muslims here.”

    YOU don’t need Muslims here.

    “They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.”

They add to American civilization.

    Moreover, they added much to western civilization. Were you asleep in your World History class?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    Replies: @AndrewR

  171. @European-American
    @res

    Didn't find the text of Mineta's letter to airlines forbidding them to discriminate, but here's a detailed CNN article about the letter and ensuing lawsuits. (Disbelieving emphasis mine...)

    [Entitled whining airline passengers are rarely sympathetic characters, but these million-dollar plaintiffs seem particularly deserving of scorn. If I wasn't a sane, tolerant, and peace-loving person, I'd suggest waterboarding them in the airplane toilets as a safety precaution. But that's not who we are. ... Or is it?... No, no, of course not. ... Or maybe?... No, no, absolutely not. Sorry to even mention it.]


    Airlines face post 9/11 racial profiling, discrimination suits

    June 4, 2002

    From Phil Hirschkorn and Michael Okwu
    CNN
    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Five passengers who were removed from or prevented from boarding flights last year after the September 11 terror attacks filed suit Tuesday against four major U.S. airlines, accusing them of racial profiling and discrimination.

    The separate suits were filed against Continental, American, United and Northwest airlines in federal courts, respectively, in Newark, Baltimore, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    All of the plaintiffs are of Middle Eastern or Asian descent who had passed through enhanced airport security checks.

    As early as September 21, 2001, Transportation Secretary Norman Minetta sent a memorandum to all airlines cautioning them not to discriminate against passengers based on race, religion, national or ethnic origin.

    The DOT has since received 31 complaints about such discrimination from people of Middle Eastern, South Asian, Arab or Muslim heritage. The Arab-American Anti-Discrimination group has recorded double that amount of complaints. Two of the five plaintiffs are of Arab descent.

    The five plaintiffs, three of whom are seeking compensatory damages, are being represented by either the American Civil Liberties Union or Relman & Associates, a firm specializing in civil rights cases.

    Among the plaintiffs is Michael Dasrath, a 32-year-old analyst for Morgan Stanley, who was ejected from a Continental flight from Newark to Tampa last New Year's eve. Dasrath, a U.S. citizen of Indian heritage, told CNN that his incident began with the complaint of a single, white female passenger who had been observing him and two other men in their first class seats.

    "She basically said these brown-skinned men are behaving suspiciously," Dasrath said. "The pilot didn't say anything. He just kind of nodded at her and he walked up to the front, looked at me, looked at the two in front of me -- didn't say nothing. Next thing I know one of the gate agents is calling our names," he said.

    Edgardo Cureg, 34, a permanent legal resident of Filipino descent, who was removed from the same Continental flight after using his cell phone inside the plane before takeoff, filed a second suit against the airline.

    "I will never again feel free to travel in the future," Cureg said at a Manhattan news conference. "My basic right to travel free from discrimination has been violated."

    Continental spokesman Rahsaan Johnson said he could not comment on the specific cases but said, "Continental does have a strong policy against discrimination in any form."

    The suit against Northwest was filed by Arshad Chowdhury, 25, a U.S. citizen born to Bangladeshi parents, who was removed from a San Francisco to Pittsburgh flight last October 23. Chowdhury was returning to business school at Carnegie Mellon University.

    Northwest spokeswoman Mary Beth Schubert said Chowdhury's removal was not based on his ethnic background.

    "Mr. Chowdhury was denied boarding because the Northwest pilot received conflicting information about whether or not authorities had cleared him to fly. In the face of this conflicting information, the pilot exercised his discretion to deny boarding," Schubert said.

    The airline put Chowdhury on a direct flight that arrived before his originally scheduled flight, Schubert said.

    Hassan Sader, 36, a U.S. citizen who lives in Virginia, sued American Airlines for removing him from a Baltimore to Chicago flight last October 31.

    "American supports our captains when those decisions are made," said spokesman Todd Burke, who declined to discuss the facts of the claim or the airline's security procedures. But Burke said federal air regulations allow a captain to deny boarding of any passenger who may compromise the safety of the flight.

    Aseem Bayaa, 40, a U.S. citizen from California, sued United Airlines for removing him from a Los Angeles to New York flight last December 23.

    Airline spokesman Joe Hopkins said, "On our aircraft, the captain is in charge and has to weigh a lot of factors in the overall safety of everybody on the airplane. We would not remove someone based on race, religion, or national origin. It's based on behavior."

    Hopkins said the airline would not discuss security matters publicly. "If we are going to be sued, we respond in court through our attorneys," he said.

    ACLU staff attorney Reggie Shuford told CNN that the airlines "speak in the abstract about the need for safety and security related to September 11, but nothing that they've done in any of these cases advance the need or interest in safety and security."

    Shuford, the lead plaintiffs' lawyer on the coordinated lawsuits, said he hopes the litigation will lead to better training of pilots and flight crew about when there is legitimately a security risk.

    "When a passenger -- a fellow passenger -- is given veto power over somebody else's ability to fly based on nothing other than hysteria and discrimmination, then we all need to take pause and determine whether allowing this to continue is really doing anything to advance security or safety," Shuford said.
     

    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/04/airlines.discrimination/

    Replies: @European-American

    Here is a Sept. 21 letter from Norman Strickman of the DOT (I think that must be what people mean when they talk about “Mineta’s Sept. 21 memo to airlines”):

    [of course, more pertinent would be such a letter from before Sept. 11…]

    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
    OFFICE OF AVIATION ENFORCEMENT AND PROCEEDINGS
    WASHINGTON, DC

    This message was e-mailed to major airlines and aviation associations on September 21, 2001. It concerns the aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

    Since the terrorist hijackings and events of September 11, we have seen several reports of airlines apparently removing passengers from flights because the passengers appeared to be Middle Eastern and/or Muslim. We caution airlines not to target or otherwise discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin, religion, or based on passengers’ names or modes of dress that could be indicative of such classification. Various Federal statutes prohibit air carriers from subjecting a person in air transportation to discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, or ancestry. At DOT, we are and will continue to be vigilant in ensuring that the airport security procedures, mandated by FAA and implemented by the airlines, are not unlawfully discriminatory.

    We strongly encourage each airline to take steps to ensure that its employees understand that, not only is it wrong, but it is also illegal to discriminate against people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. Recently, the President and Chief Operating Officer of Delta Airlines sent a letter to all of the airline’s employees worldwide requesting tolerance of all people and cultures, and explaining that its employees must comply fully with civil rights laws. A copy of this letter is attached.

    Norman Strickman
    Assistant Director for Aviation Consumer Protection
    Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings
    Office of the General Counsel
    U.S. Department of Transportation

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20010921.htm

    For more info, this paper has lots of details and references:

    Asian American Law Journal
    Volume 10 Issue 2 Article 4
    2003
    Flying while Brown: Federal Civil Rights Remedies to Post-9/11 Airline Racial Profiling of South Asians
    Charu A. Chandrasekhar

    http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=aalj

    For example, a footnote mentions that, a month later, the DOT sent a policy statement which included the following guidelines:

    Consistent with DOT’s policy, here are several points to keep in mind while doing your important jobs:

    Treat people who may appear to be of Arab, Middle Eastern or South Asian descent and/or Muslim with the same respect you would treat people of other ethnicities and religions, and treat all people in a polite, respectful and friendly manner. To the extent possible and permitted by law, answer questions from persons in a forthright manner.
    Do not subject persons or their property to inspection, search and/or detention solely because they appear to be Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim; or solely because they speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; or solely because they speak with an accent that may lead you to believe they are Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim.
    If a search or inspection is necessary for safety or security reasons, whenever possible, provide the person involved a choice of a public or private inspection. Public searches may be viewed as humiliating while private searches may be perceived to be overly intimidating.
    Discriminating on the basis of national origin or religion includes discriminating against someone based solely on an appearance or dress that is associated with a particular national origin or religion. For example, selecting a woman for an inspection solely because her hair is covered or she is wearing a veil, as some Muslim women do, is illegal discrimination. Selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a long beard or hair covering, as some Muslim men do, is unlawful discrimination. Likewise, selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a turban, as some Sikh men do, is unlawful discrimination.
    Be aware of inspection/search practices that might be offensive: during an inspection, asking a woman to remove her veil or hair covering may be offensive and could violate her religious tenets and asking a Sikh man to remove his turban could violate his religious tenets.
    Take all available facts and circumstances into account in identifying persons or property that may be a safety or security risk. Although your actions may, at times, offend the person involved, you would continue to be justified in conducting additional questioning, inspections or searches, for safety or security reasons, in certain situations; for example: the driver of a truck containing hazardous material has identification or documentation showing that he or she was born in the United States but the driver does not speak English and appears to only speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; a person wearing a turban or head dress, while being searched at an airport security checkpoint, triggers the handheld metal detector when it is near his or her head; or a veiled woman shows photo identification to prove her identity but it is difficult to conclude that this woman is the same person as the woman in the photo without checking her face. When it is necessary to verify the identity of a veiled woman, whenever possible, her face should be checked by female safety or security personnel in private or only in the presence of other women so as not to violate her religious tenets.
    Use the “but/for” test to help determine the justification for your actions. Ask yourself, But for this person’s perceived race, ethnic heritage or religious orientation, would I have subjected this individual to additional safety or security scrutiny? If the answer is “no,” then the action may violate civil rights laws.

    We hope this information is helpful to you.

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20011012.htm

    Good luck to airlines following these…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @European-American

    I was following the Bush-Mineta war on airport profiling of Arabs before 9/11. They were doing a study at Detroit airport to catch racist profilers, and giving it lots of national publicity.

    Replies: @European-American

  172. @European-American
    @European-American

    Here is a Sept. 21 letter from Norman Strickman of the DOT (I think that must be what people mean when they talk about "Mineta's Sept. 21 memo to airlines"):

    [of course, more pertinent would be such a letter from before Sept. 11...]


    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
    OFFICE OF AVIATION ENFORCEMENT AND PROCEEDINGS
    WASHINGTON, DC

    This message was e-mailed to major airlines and aviation associations on September 21, 2001. It concerns the aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

    Since the terrorist hijackings and events of September 11, we have seen several reports of airlines apparently removing passengers from flights because the passengers appeared to be Middle Eastern and/or Muslim. We caution airlines not to target or otherwise discriminate against passengers based on their race, color, national or ethnic origin, religion, or based on passengers' names or modes of dress that could be indicative of such classification. Various Federal statutes prohibit air carriers from subjecting a person in air transportation to discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, or ancestry. At DOT, we are and will continue to be vigilant in ensuring that the airport security procedures, mandated by FAA and implemented by the airlines, are not unlawfully discriminatory.

    We strongly encourage each airline to take steps to ensure that its employees understand that, not only is it wrong, but it is also illegal to discriminate against people based on their race, ethnicity, or religion. Recently, the President and Chief Operating Officer of Delta Airlines sent a letter to all of the airline’s employees worldwide requesting tolerance of all people and cultures, and explaining that its employees must comply fully with civil rights laws. A copy of this letter is attached.

    Norman Strickman
    Assistant Director for Aviation Consumer Protection
    Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings
    Office of the General Counsel
    U.S. Department of Transportation
     

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20010921.htm

    For more info, this paper has lots of details and references:


    Asian American Law Journal
    Volume 10 Issue 2 Article 4
    2003
    Flying while Brown: Federal Civil Rights Remedies to Post-9/11 Airline Racial Profiling of South Asians
    Charu A. Chandrasekhar

     

    http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=aalj

    For example, a footnote mentions that, a month later, the DOT sent a policy statement which included the following guidelines:

    Consistent with DOT’s policy, here are several points to keep in mind while doing your important jobs:

    Treat people who may appear to be of Arab, Middle Eastern or South Asian descent and/or Muslim with the same respect you would treat people of other ethnicities and religions, and treat all people in a polite, respectful and friendly manner. To the extent possible and permitted by law, answer questions from persons in a forthright manner.
    Do not subject persons or their property to inspection, search and/or detention solely because they appear to be Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim; or solely because they speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; or solely because they speak with an accent that may lead you to believe they are Arab, Middle Eastern, Asian, and/or Muslim.
    If a search or inspection is necessary for safety or security reasons, whenever possible, provide the person involved a choice of a public or private inspection. Public searches may be viewed as humiliating while private searches may be perceived to be overly intimidating.
    Discriminating on the basis of national origin or religion includes discriminating against someone based solely on an appearance or dress that is associated with a particular national origin or religion. For example, selecting a woman for an inspection solely because her hair is covered or she is wearing a veil, as some Muslim women do, is illegal discrimination. Selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a long beard or hair covering, as some Muslim men do, is unlawful discrimination. Likewise, selecting a man for an inspection solely because he is wearing a turban, as some Sikh men do, is unlawful discrimination.
    Be aware of inspection/search practices that might be offensive: during an inspection, asking a woman to remove her veil or hair covering may be offensive and could violate her religious tenets and asking a Sikh man to remove his turban could violate his religious tenets.
    Take all available facts and circumstances into account in identifying persons or property that may be a safety or security risk. Although your actions may, at times, offend the person involved, you would continue to be justified in conducting additional questioning, inspections or searches, for safety or security reasons, in certain situations; for example: the driver of a truck containing hazardous material has identification or documentation showing that he or she was born in the United States but the driver does not speak English and appears to only speak Arabic, Farsi, or another foreign language; a person wearing a turban or head dress, while being searched at an airport security checkpoint, triggers the handheld metal detector when it is near his or her head; or a veiled woman shows photo identification to prove her identity but it is difficult to conclude that this woman is the same person as the woman in the photo without checking her face. When it is necessary to verify the identity of a veiled woman, whenever possible, her face should be checked by female safety or security personnel in private or only in the presence of other women so as not to violate her religious tenets.
    Use the “but/for” test to help determine the justification for your actions. Ask yourself, But for this person’s perceived race, ethnic heritage or religious orientation, would I have subjected this individual to additional safety or security scrutiny? If the answer is “no,” then the action may violate civil rights laws.

    We hope this information is helpful to you.

     

    http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/20011012.htm

    Good luck to airlines following these...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I was following the Bush-Mineta war on airport profiling of Arabs before 9/11. They were doing a study at Detroit airport to catch racist profilers, and giving it lots of national publicity.

    • Replies: @European-American
    @Steve Sailer

    Right, here's a post-9/11 press reference to that, originally from The Times of London I think:


    Airlines security staff were warned against picking on Arabs

    BY BEN WEBSTER, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

    THE US Government told America’s airlines this summer that they would be breaching passengers’ civil rights if they made extra checks on those of Arab origin.

    Norman Mineta, the US Transportation Secretary, ordered an investigation in June into complaints made by Arab-Americans that they were being unfairly picked on for security screenings at Detroit’s main airport. Mr Mineta said at the time: “Routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers.”
     
    https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r1442408-Thank-you-FAA

    Replies: @European-American, @Jim Don Bob

  173. @Steve Sailer
    @European-American

    I was following the Bush-Mineta war on airport profiling of Arabs before 9/11. They were doing a study at Detroit airport to catch racist profilers, and giving it lots of national publicity.

    Replies: @European-American

    Right, here’s a post-9/11 press reference to that, originally from The Times of London I think:

    Airlines security staff were warned against picking on Arabs

    BY BEN WEBSTER, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

    THE US Government told America’s airlines this summer that they would be breaching passengers’ civil rights if they made extra checks on those of Arab origin.

    Norman Mineta, the US Transportation Secretary, ordered an investigation in June into complaints made by Arab-Americans that they were being unfairly picked on for security screenings at Detroit’s main airport. Mr Mineta said at the time: “Routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers.”

    https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r1442408-Thank-you-FAA

    • Replies: @European-American
    @European-American

    I promise I'll stop spewing comments now, but here's the Chicago Tribune on Sept. 19, 2001, on the context for that Detroit Airport survey and why they didn't have the results yet.

    The article is interesting also for saying that racial profiling has been both widespread and legal. Which is the opposite of what Mineta's directives are saying...


    U.S. tries to walk fine line between security, ethnic bias
    Ken Armstrong
    September 19, 2001

    [...]

    Passenger profiling had been a sensitive subject even before the Sept. 11 attacks.

    In 1997, an aviation-security commission chaired by Vice President Al Gore called on the airline industry to adopt a profiling system that would screen passengers in hopes of isolating those who pose the greatest danger. But in keeping with the advice of the civil liberties panel to which Abrams belonged, the commission rejected ethnicity and religion as appropriate factors, saying the profile's elements should be based on "reasonable predictors of risk, not stereotypes or generalizations."

    Airline screening endorsed

    Later that year, the Federal Aviation Administration adopted Computer-Assisted Passenger Screening, or CAPS. The system uses information from the airline reservation systems to select passengers whose luggage will be searched with additional security measures. No comprehensive list of the profile's elements has been made public because that would compromise the system's effectiveness, but a U.S. Justice Department review determined that the selection criteria do not discriminate based on race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or religion.

    To determine whether the system discriminates in practice against minority groups, the Transportation Department conducted a survey in June of passengers at Detroit Metropolitan Airport who were selected by the screening system. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said at the time that "routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers."

    Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, said this week that the results of the Detroit survey have not been made public because federal officials decided they first wanted to conduct similar studies at other airports. Those additional surveys have been put on hold pending completion of a broader security review triggered by last week's terrorist attacks, Mosley said.

    Last year, Gregory Nojeim of the American Civil Liberties Union told the National Commission on Terrorism that more than 90 percent of the discrimination complaints received by the ACLU concerning airport security measures were from people of Middle Eastern descent. Even if the passenger profiles don't include ethnicity or national origin as selection criteria, Nojeim said, the use of such factors as past travel to a country suspected of terrorism would still produce a disparate and discriminatory effect.

    The U.S. airline industry also used a passenger profiling system in the late 1960s and early 1970s, after a spate of hijacking attempts. That system's criteria also were kept confidential, but in 1971, a federal judge in New York inspected its components and concluded the system was constitutional. The 25 to 30 characteristics used to screen passengers did not discriminate "on the basis of religion, origin, political views, or race," the judge wrote.

    [...]

    If racial profiling does take place, legal experts say, it's uncertain that the nation's courts would step in and curtail the practice. That's because American courts have generally allowed race to be used as a factor in determining if there are sufficient grounds to arrest or search someone, provided it's not the sole factor. Also, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1996 that even if a police officer pulls a motorist over based on race, there's no violation of the 4th Amendment's search-and-seizure clause provided there also was a constitutionally permissible basis for making the stop, such as a traffic violation.
     

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-0109190250sep19-story.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @European-American

    As The Derb says, "Better dead, than rude".

    There was also the case where five "Arabs" boarded a USAir flight and began walking around acting like a******s. USAir kicked them off, they sued and won. Many thought they were casing airline security, but maybe they were just playing Arab Airline Lottery.

  174. @European-American
    @Steve Sailer

    Right, here's a post-9/11 press reference to that, originally from The Times of London I think:


    Airlines security staff were warned against picking on Arabs

    BY BEN WEBSTER, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

    THE US Government told America’s airlines this summer that they would be breaching passengers’ civil rights if they made extra checks on those of Arab origin.

    Norman Mineta, the US Transportation Secretary, ordered an investigation in June into complaints made by Arab-Americans that they were being unfairly picked on for security screenings at Detroit’s main airport. Mr Mineta said at the time: “Routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers.”
     
    https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r1442408-Thank-you-FAA

    Replies: @European-American, @Jim Don Bob

    I promise I’ll stop spewing comments now, but here’s the Chicago Tribune on Sept. 19, 2001, on the context for that Detroit Airport survey and why they didn’t have the results yet.

    The article is interesting also for saying that racial profiling has been both widespread and legal. Which is the opposite of what Mineta’s directives are saying…

    U.S. tries to walk fine line between security, ethnic bias
    Ken Armstrong
    September 19, 2001

    […]

    Passenger profiling had been a sensitive subject even before the Sept. 11 attacks.

    In 1997, an aviation-security commission chaired by Vice President Al Gore called on the airline industry to adopt a profiling system that would screen passengers in hopes of isolating those who pose the greatest danger. But in keeping with the advice of the civil liberties panel to which Abrams belonged, the commission rejected ethnicity and religion as appropriate factors, saying the profile’s elements should be based on “reasonable predictors of risk, not stereotypes or generalizations.”

    Airline screening endorsed

    Later that year, the Federal Aviation Administration adopted Computer-Assisted Passenger Screening, or CAPS. The system uses information from the airline reservation systems to select passengers whose luggage will be searched with additional security measures. No comprehensive list of the profile’s elements has been made public because that would compromise the system’s effectiveness, but a U.S. Justice Department review determined that the selection criteria do not discriminate based on race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or religion.

    To determine whether the system discriminates in practice against minority groups, the Transportation Department conducted a survey in June of passengers at Detroit Metropolitan Airport who were selected by the screening system. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said at the time that “routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers.”

    Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, said this week that the results of the Detroit survey have not been made public because federal officials decided they first wanted to conduct similar studies at other airports. Those additional surveys have been put on hold pending completion of a broader security review triggered by last week’s terrorist attacks, Mosley said.

    Last year, Gregory Nojeim of the American Civil Liberties Union told the National Commission on Terrorism that more than 90 percent of the discrimination complaints received by the ACLU concerning airport security measures were from people of Middle Eastern descent. Even if the passenger profiles don’t include ethnicity or national origin as selection criteria, Nojeim said, the use of such factors as past travel to a country suspected of terrorism would still produce a disparate and discriminatory effect.

    The U.S. airline industry also used a passenger profiling system in the late 1960s and early 1970s, after a spate of hijacking attempts. That system’s criteria also were kept confidential, but in 1971, a federal judge in New York inspected its components and concluded the system was constitutional. The 25 to 30 characteristics used to screen passengers did not discriminate “on the basis of religion, origin, political views, or race,” the judge wrote.

    […]

    If racial profiling does take place, legal experts say, it’s uncertain that the nation’s courts would step in and curtail the practice. That’s because American courts have generally allowed race to be used as a factor in determining if there are sufficient grounds to arrest or search someone, provided it’s not the sole factor. Also, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1996 that even if a police officer pulls a motorist over based on race, there’s no violation of the 4th Amendment’s search-and-seizure clause provided there also was a constitutionally permissible basis for making the stop, such as a traffic violation.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-0109190250sep19-story.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @European-American

    It's pretty interesting that the bigger concern after 9/11 was whether airports were discriminating against Arabs than that airports failed to discriminate against Arabs, killing 3000 people.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  175. @European-American
    @European-American

    I promise I'll stop spewing comments now, but here's the Chicago Tribune on Sept. 19, 2001, on the context for that Detroit Airport survey and why they didn't have the results yet.

    The article is interesting also for saying that racial profiling has been both widespread and legal. Which is the opposite of what Mineta's directives are saying...


    U.S. tries to walk fine line between security, ethnic bias
    Ken Armstrong
    September 19, 2001

    [...]

    Passenger profiling had been a sensitive subject even before the Sept. 11 attacks.

    In 1997, an aviation-security commission chaired by Vice President Al Gore called on the airline industry to adopt a profiling system that would screen passengers in hopes of isolating those who pose the greatest danger. But in keeping with the advice of the civil liberties panel to which Abrams belonged, the commission rejected ethnicity and religion as appropriate factors, saying the profile's elements should be based on "reasonable predictors of risk, not stereotypes or generalizations."

    Airline screening endorsed

    Later that year, the Federal Aviation Administration adopted Computer-Assisted Passenger Screening, or CAPS. The system uses information from the airline reservation systems to select passengers whose luggage will be searched with additional security measures. No comprehensive list of the profile's elements has been made public because that would compromise the system's effectiveness, but a U.S. Justice Department review determined that the selection criteria do not discriminate based on race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or religion.

    To determine whether the system discriminates in practice against minority groups, the Transportation Department conducted a survey in June of passengers at Detroit Metropolitan Airport who were selected by the screening system. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said at the time that "routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers."

    Bill Mosley, a Transportation Department spokesman, said this week that the results of the Detroit survey have not been made public because federal officials decided they first wanted to conduct similar studies at other airports. Those additional surveys have been put on hold pending completion of a broader security review triggered by last week's terrorist attacks, Mosley said.

    Last year, Gregory Nojeim of the American Civil Liberties Union told the National Commission on Terrorism that more than 90 percent of the discrimination complaints received by the ACLU concerning airport security measures were from people of Middle Eastern descent. Even if the passenger profiles don't include ethnicity or national origin as selection criteria, Nojeim said, the use of such factors as past travel to a country suspected of terrorism would still produce a disparate and discriminatory effect.

    The U.S. airline industry also used a passenger profiling system in the late 1960s and early 1970s, after a spate of hijacking attempts. That system's criteria also were kept confidential, but in 1971, a federal judge in New York inspected its components and concluded the system was constitutional. The 25 to 30 characteristics used to screen passengers did not discriminate "on the basis of religion, origin, political views, or race," the judge wrote.

    [...]

    If racial profiling does take place, legal experts say, it's uncertain that the nation's courts would step in and curtail the practice. That's because American courts have generally allowed race to be used as a factor in determining if there are sufficient grounds to arrest or search someone, provided it's not the sole factor. Also, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1996 that even if a police officer pulls a motorist over based on race, there's no violation of the 4th Amendment's search-and-seizure clause provided there also was a constitutionally permissible basis for making the stop, such as a traffic violation.
     

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-0109190250sep19-story.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It’s pretty interesting that the bigger concern after 9/11 was whether airports were discriminating against Arabs than that airports failed to discriminate against Arabs, killing 3000 people.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    "It’s pretty interesting that the bigger concern after 9/11 was whether airports were discriminating against Arabs than that airports failed to discriminate against Arabs, killing 3000 people."

    You mean American citizens who are Muslim. Does not the Constitution cover them?

    Furthermore, it was a group of radical Muslims, not "Arabs" as an entire group, that committed that dastardly act.

    Regardless, the concern universally was safeguarding the rights of all Americans and protecting citizens, as best as humanly possible, from another terrorist attack. One's version of the level of success, or failure, will vary.

  176. @European-American
    @Steve Sailer

    Right, here's a post-9/11 press reference to that, originally from The Times of London I think:


    Airlines security staff were warned against picking on Arabs

    BY BEN WEBSTER, TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

    THE US Government told America’s airlines this summer that they would be breaching passengers’ civil rights if they made extra checks on those of Arab origin.

    Norman Mineta, the US Transportation Secretary, ordered an investigation in June into complaints made by Arab-Americans that they were being unfairly picked on for security screenings at Detroit’s main airport. Mr Mineta said at the time: “Routine security measures are necessary to protect the flying public against possible terrorist attacks, but we must also protect the civil rights of airline passengers.”
     
    https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r1442408-Thank-you-FAA

    Replies: @European-American, @Jim Don Bob

    As The Derb says, “Better dead, than rude”.

    There was also the case where five “Arabs” boarded a USAir flight and began walking around acting like a******s. USAir kicked them off, they sued and won. Many thought they were casing airline security, but maybe they were just playing Arab Airline Lottery.

  177. @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    "In the end, it was a Muslim extremist who committed a heinous act. Not Islam. Not Muslims. A radical Muslim. That is the difference."

    And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.

    Well, if they can't tell - if they can't read this guy - how are the rest of us going to? That's one of the advantages to actually having a nation - a people. It's a common cultural referent.

    And we are asked - told, really - to accept the incumbent risks for.........what? We don't need muslims here. They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.”

    The same logic could be applied to ANYONE in ANY GROUP. 



    Teachers will say they had no clue one of their colleagues was a pedophile. Never saw it coming.

    Employees will say they had no clue their boss was pilfering profits at their expense. Never saw it coming.

    “Well, if they can’t tell – if they can’t read this guy – how are the rest of us going to?”

    Exactly. If teachers and employees can’t read people, how is the rest of us going to! That is why you take each situation on its merits without generalizing.

    “That’s one of the advantages to actually having a nation – a people. It’s a common cultural referent.”

    We do have a nation, a people. Muslims, like Jews and Christians, are part of it. Where have you been?

    “And we are asked – told, really – to accept the incumbent risks for………what”

    
There are risks for everything, as I provided in my examples.

    “We don’t need muslims here.”

    YOU don’t need Muslims here.

    “They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.”

They add to American civilization.

    Moreover, they added much to western civilization. Were you asleep in your World History class?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Corvinus

    Tiny Duck is a pretty blatant troll. You are considerably more subtle. One cannot tell whether you are just a troll or just a really deluded libtard. If you are trolling us, then congratulations!

    Replies: @Jefferson

  178. @Steve Sailer
    @European-American

    It's pretty interesting that the bigger concern after 9/11 was whether airports were discriminating against Arabs than that airports failed to discriminate against Arabs, killing 3000 people.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It’s pretty interesting that the bigger concern after 9/11 was whether airports were discriminating against Arabs than that airports failed to discriminate against Arabs, killing 3000 people.”

    You mean American citizens who are Muslim. Does not the Constitution cover them?

    Furthermore, it was a group of radical Muslims, not “Arabs” as an entire group, that committed that dastardly act.

    Regardless, the concern universally was safeguarding the rights of all Americans and protecting citizens, as best as humanly possible, from another terrorist attack. One’s version of the level of success, or failure, will vary.

  179. @Hubbub
    @AndrewR

    LOL. I see you're one of those a-sholes who thinks that insult is the height of wit.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    So advocating for the expulsion of all Muslims from the US is cool but someone saying that you should abstain from breeding is so awful, right?

    There is nothing lower than someone who is willing to dish it out but not take it.

  180. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Anon

    “And yet muslims will say they had no clue he was an extremist. Never saw it coming, etc.”

    The same logic could be applied to ANYONE in ANY GROUP. 



    Teachers will say they had no clue one of their colleagues was a pedophile. Never saw it coming.

    Employees will say they had no clue their boss was pilfering profits at their expense. Never saw it coming.

    “Well, if they can’t tell – if they can’t read this guy – how are the rest of us going to?”

    Exactly. If teachers and employees can’t read people, how is the rest of us going to! That is why you take each situation on its merits without generalizing.

    “That’s one of the advantages to actually having a nation – a people. It’s a common cultural referent.”

    We do have a nation, a people. Muslims, like Jews and Christians, are part of it. Where have you been?

    “And we are asked – told, really – to accept the incumbent risks for………what”

    
There are risks for everything, as I provided in my examples.

    “We don’t need muslims here.”

    YOU don’t need Muslims here.

    “They add nothing to western civilization that is indispensible.”

They add to American civilization.

    Moreover, they added much to western civilization. Were you asleep in your World History class?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Tiny Duck is a pretty blatant troll. You are considerably more subtle. One cannot tell whether you are just a troll or just a really deluded libtard. If you are trolling us, then congratulations!

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @AndrewR

    "Tiny Duck is a pretty blatant troll. You are considerably more subtle. One cannot tell whether you are just a troll or just a really deluded libtard. If you are trolling us, then congratulations!"

    Corvinus is African American and a lot of African Americans are converts to Islam. He probably has Muslims in his family, especially if Corvinus has family members who did time in prison which is where Negro conversion to Islam often takes place in this country. So he is going to be sensitive to any negative comments made about Muslims and Islam.

  181. @AndrewR
    @Corvinus

    Tiny Duck is a pretty blatant troll. You are considerably more subtle. One cannot tell whether you are just a troll or just a really deluded libtard. If you are trolling us, then congratulations!

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Tiny Duck is a pretty blatant troll. You are considerably more subtle. One cannot tell whether you are just a troll or just a really deluded libtard. If you are trolling us, then congratulations!”

    Corvinus is African American and a lot of African Americans are converts to Islam. He probably has Muslims in his family, especially if Corvinus has family members who did time in prison which is where Negro conversion to Islam often takes place in this country. So he is going to be sensitive to any negative comments made about Muslims and Islam.

  182. @Jefferson
    A Muslim is responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in U.S history, even though Muslims make up less 1 percent of The U.S population.

    From a per capita basis, there are way too many Muslim mass shootings/terrorist attacks in The U.S when you factor how much fewer Muslims there are in The U.S compared to White males.

    Replies: @Olorin

    A Muslim is responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in U.S history, even though Muslims make up less 1 percent of The U.S population.

    Overachievers, Jeff. Model immigrant minority. Talented tenth of a tenth.

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